| 00:01.08 | GraveDigger | also, since Xgl is not perfect, u surely may encounter some graphic glitches and issues coming from drawing errors |
| 00:01.17 | GraveDigger | they should not be a great proplem at all |
| 00:01.34 | GraveDigger | how to make it start automatically? easy: write a little shell script |
| 00:01.46 | GraveDigger | this needs to contain: compiz --replace gconf & |
| 00:01.49 | GraveDigger | sleep 3 |
| 00:01.55 | GraveDigger | gnome-window-decorator & |
| 00:02.19 | GraveDigger | the timeout is required since there may be problems when the window decorator is started too quickly |
| 00:02.56 | GraveDigger | make this script executable and put it into your ~/.kde/Autostart/ |
| 00:03.06 | GraveDigger | then it gets executed each time you log into kde |
| 00:04.00 | GraveDigger | paull: i hope that helps since i need to go asleep now |
| 00:04.10 | GraveDigger | its 2am here, i am terribly tired |
| 00:04.14 | GraveDigger | gnite dude |
| 00:04.18 | GraveDigger | gnite every one else |
| 00:04.24 | paull | hey man |
| 00:04.29 | paull | i am very gladf |
| 00:04.34 | paull | things worked here |
| 00:04.42 | paull | good night man!! |
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| 00:08.28 | sub | Hey, when I click on a minimized window in the taskbar, it seems to do some sort of animation thing |
| 00:08.40 | sub | I can't seem to find an option to disable that (I'd like it to be pretty much instant) |
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| 00:08.48 | sub | anyone know where it is offhand? |
| 00:10.19 | sub | ahh I found it =D |
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| 00:10.52 | sub | i'm not sure whats up with everyone and their minimize/maximize effects |
| 00:12.54 | eristikophiles | what does artsd.core do? would anyone happen to know? |
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| 00:21.46 | Celeste_ | hi |
| 00:22.01 | Celeste_ | KDE makes an annoying sound whenever i monimize, maximize or close a window |
| 00:22.08 | Celeste_ | can I disable this function? |
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| 00:33.12 | unity | does anyone have any suggestions for testing my microphone? |
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| 00:33.22 | unity | Celeste_: stop the arts server |
| 00:34.22 | grepper | Celeste_: change your system notifications |
| 00:34.22 | bUscher | or disable the minimize and maximize and close window sound |
| 00:36.36 | Celeste_ | unity, when I stop the arts server, what else will break down? |
| 00:36.47 | Celeste_ | grepper, where can I change them? I did not find the needed option in kcontrol |
| 00:38.16 | grepper | Celeste_: kcmshell kcmnotify |
| 00:38.46 | grepper | kcontrol->sound and multimedia->system notifications |
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| 00:51.48 | Celeste_ | thank you grepper |
| 00:52.13 | Tallia1Kubuntu | floe: hey man how is it going? |
| 00:52.47 | unity | how can i test if my microphone is working? |
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| 00:53.17 | Tallia1Kubuntu | cat /dev/micro |
| 00:53.33 | Tallia1Kubuntu | sorry |
| 00:53.36 | Tallia1Kubuntu | cat /dev/dsp |
| 00:53.37 | Tallia1Kubuntu | :) |
| 00:53.49 | AlexNT | Hi everybody |
| 00:53.58 | Tallia1Kubuntu | then whistle, you shoulda see a change in the text output, it's kind of a shitty test, but it works for me !!! :) |
| 00:54.21 | unity | thanks, Tallia1Kubuntu |
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| 00:54.43 | Tallia1Kubuntu | u are welcome :) i am not really hardcore but i try as far as i can :) |
| 00:54.47 | unity | Tallia1Kubuntu: cat: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 00:55.01 | unity | is alsa holding onto it or something? |
| 00:55.14 | Tallia1Kubuntu | try to see lsof | grep dsp |
| 00:56.07 | unity | i will install lsof now |
| 00:57.18 | unity | oh skype is using it... |
| 00:57.33 | unity | ironic because i wanted to test out the mic to see if skype would be able to use it |
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| 00:58.07 | unity | okay cat /dev/dsp gives me nothing, even when i scream into it |
| 00:58.16 | unity | this is a sign that my mic is not working, correct? |
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| 01:05.21 | Lynucs_Newbie | Heyo |
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| 01:17.20 | altprsona | hi, im using kubuntu , trying to get my cam to work w/ kopete. in the configure menu i see a picture, i just dont see how to send a veiw my camera invite |
| 01:17.48 | unity | is there a small kde sound recording app? |
| 01:17.59 | kucrut | krecord? |
| 01:18.10 | Renze | krec |
| 01:18.13 | unity | thanks |
| 01:18.35 | kucrut | they're not the same, arent they Renze> |
| 01:18.36 | kucrut | ? |
| 01:18.51 | Renze | nope... krec is in kdemultimedia, and krecord is a third-party app |
| 01:19.23 | kucrut | and g'morning, btw ;-) |
| 01:19.29 | Renze | afternoon :P |
| 01:21.07 | kucrut | i just found out that cs46xx sound card chips actually produce a way better sound than some via/nvidia onboard sc |
| 01:21.35 | kucrut | hahah |
| 01:22.30 | Lynucs_Newbie | I cant tell that much of a difference |
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| 01:32.34 | altprsona | does kopetes yahoo webcam feature work for sending pictures? |
| 01:33.23 | Renze | if it liked my webcam, I would answer... but unfortunately my webcam works everywhere except in kopete :/ |
| 01:36.48 | unity | can someone help my get my mic working? catting /dev/dsp gives me nothing, an similarly, no one can hear my in skype, yet if i set mic-in mode, i can hear it |
| 01:37.21 | Renze | if you're using artsd, full duplex needs to be enabled in kcontrol |
| 01:37.30 | unity | i do not have artsd running |
| 01:37.45 | altprsona | hmm dont know about artsd |
| 01:37.45 | Renze | is your soundcard full duplex? |
| 01:37.59 | altprsona | do |
| 01:38.00 | altprsona | er |
| 01:38.01 | altprsona | doh |
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| 01:38.23 | unity | wish i knew...C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) |
| 01:38.33 | Renze | sorry, don't know it |
| 01:38.51 | Renze | maybe google can help |
| 01:39.49 | unity | thanks |
| 01:42.49 | Renze | "the CM8738 doesn't have working full duplex" according to some google responses |
| 01:44.29 | Celeste_ | is kopete themeable? |
| 01:44.38 | Renze | the chat window is, yes |
| 01:44.50 | Celeste_ | whats about the buddy list? |
| 01:45.00 | Renze | no |
| 01:45.06 | Celeste_ | k |
| 01:45.08 | Celeste_ | thx Renze |
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| 01:45.12 | Renze | no problem |
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| 01:46.36 | thiagoiano | how do i make a script containing compiz --replace gconf and gnome-window-decorator run every time that i boot by kdm? |
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| 01:48.56 | Lynucs_Newbie | Would a 64Meg ATI video card increase speed very much on KDe? |
| 01:50.13 | CrazyDoode | 64 meg?? they still make those? |
| 01:50.26 | Lynucs_Newbie | nope, I see it in store |
| 01:50.26 | `Belial | no |
| 01:50.30 | Lynucs_Newbie | It wont |
| 01:50.37 | CrazyDoode | what do you have now? |
| 01:50.38 | Lynucs_Newbie | Will it allow transperency? |
| 01:50.41 | Lynucs_Newbie | NOthing >< |
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| 01:50.50 | CrazyDoode | you must have something |
| 01:50.54 | Renze | composite doesn't work with ATi... but xgl might |
| 01:51.11 | Renze | composite on ATi looks like shit in a blender |
| 01:51.25 | Lynucs_Newbie | I've got 8 megs of dedicated Video ram |
| 01:51.31 | Lynucs_Newbie | LMFAO |
| 01:52.00 | CrazyDoode | if you pay less than $10 and it's compatable with your hardware.. then go for it. |
| 01:52.17 | Renze | I probably will when I replace this ATi POS with a decent board |
| 01:52.42 | Lynucs_Newbie | i've got a via board here |
| 01:52.46 | Lynucs_Newbie | 133 bus speed |
| 01:52.49 | Lynucs_Newbie | Fine for me |
| 01:52.57 | Lynucs_Newbie | I only do the occasional game |
| 01:53.06 | CrazyDoode | 1 got 1 gig on my video card. |
| 01:53.10 | Lynucs_Newbie | ! |
| 01:53.16 | Lynucs_Newbie | !! |
| 01:53.18 | Lynucs_Newbie | !!!!!!!!! |
| 01:53.23 | `Belial | 1 gig? |
| 01:53.24 | Renze | overkill |
| 01:53.29 | `Belial | they don't even make a one gig video card |
| 01:53.32 | thiagoiano | i have a athlon xp 2200 running with 1gb of ddr 333 and a geforce 4 mx440... anyone could tell me if i upgrade my video card to a geforce fx 5700 my performance would be much better on xgl kde ? |
| 01:53.35 | `Belial | you mean onboard video? |
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| 01:57.15 | CrazyDoode | heh. now the truth comes out |
| 01:57.32 | `Belial | thiagoiano: yeah, there's a huge difference between the two...but if i were i'd go with something better. they're extremely cheap now. |
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| 01:57.47 | `Belial | you can get a lower end card from the newer generations and trounce the performance of a 5700 |
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| 01:58.06 | `Belial | a 5700 is actually a rip off now because it's defunct and the prices only go so low. |
| 01:58.15 | `Belial | you can find a better card at the same price. |
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| 01:59.46 | thiagoiano | but my motherboard is a soyo dragon plus... i dont know which video cards could be supported |
| 01:59.51 | eristikophiles | just to be sure: kde uses xorg's prefs in relation to scrollwheel, mouse protocol, etc? |
| 02:00.05 | Renze | yes |
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| 02:00.24 | thiagoiano | i just want to run xgl with videos in a fast way... |
| 02:00.52 | Renze | fools rush in where saner minds fear to tread |
| 02:01.09 | eristikophiles | Renze- sanity is overrated. |
| 02:01.12 | bieb | is there some software to help build kde themes? I was checking out some themes at kde-look.org.. and am interested in possibly making my own |
| 02:01.14 | eristikophiles | of course, so is insanity. |
| 02:01.30 | eristikophiles | best to just walk on top of the fence and hope not to fall and hurt yourself i guess. *sigh* |
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| 02:01.52 | eristikophiles | thiagoiano- the sy-ck8? |
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| 02:03.04 | thiagoiano | kt333 dragon plus |
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| 02:04.24 | eristikophiles | wow. soyo's site is horrid. |
| 02:04.29 | eristikophiles | it's even worse than tyan. |
| 02:04.32 | eristikophiles | my condolences. |
| 02:04.54 | eristikophiles | ..apparently they don't know what compatibility lists are. |
| 02:04.54 | eristikophiles | ;p |
| 02:05.08 | thiagoiano | oh shit lol |
| 02:05.22 | eristikophiles | you could either A: try random old things or B: buy an infinite number of cards, spending all your money on 'em, until one works. |
| 02:05.37 | eristikophiles | ..you might try a hardware channel |
| 02:05.42 | eristikophiles | like undernet's #hardware |
| 02:05.54 | eristikophiles | (sorry ops, i dunno where there's one on freenode) |
| 02:06.18 | thiagoiano | tkz man |
| 02:06.40 | thiagoiano | hey... i am having a problem to startup automatically the xgl on kdm... |
| 02:06.52 | bieb | is there some software to help build kde themes? I was checking out some themes at kde-look.org.. and am interested in possibly making my own |
| 02:08.32 | Renze | themes or styles? |
| 02:09.24 | bieb | Renze, themes would give me an overall same look right? |
| 02:09.29 | bieb | kinda like a skin? |
| 02:09.32 | Renze | styles are written in C++. themes can be packaged using control centre -> appearance & themes -> theme manager. |
| 02:09.45 | Renze | no, themes are collections of style, window decoration, wallpaper, etc |
| 02:10.21 | Renze | if you're talking about "skins", then you're talking about styles. |
| 02:11.24 | bieb | ok.. it was referred to as a theme/style at kde-look.org |
| 02:12.03 | Renze | do you know C++? |
| 02:12.11 | bieb | this is the one I am looking at... http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27568 |
| 02:12.19 | bieb | no I dont know C++ |
| 02:13.18 | Renze | that is a theme... it is using baghira for the style and windeco |
| 02:13.55 | bieb | ok.. what would a style be? |
| 02:14.05 | bieb | I am trying to understand the difference |
| 02:14.21 | Renze | a set of widgets for buttons, textboxes, comboboxes etc. |
| 02:14.45 | Renze | a style is how the apps look |
| 02:15.01 | bieb | oh |
| 02:15.33 | bieb | have you ever built a theme? |
| 02:16.09 | Renze | no, I don't use themes... I select the style I want, the windeco I want, the icon theme I want, etc... I don't let others make up my mind for me :) |
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| 02:17.48 | bieb | I wasnt planning on using the dark halloween theme, but to model my own theme along those lines. |
| 02:18.17 | bieb | what style do you use? |
| 02:18.23 | Renze | I find that theme rather ugly, but people have differing tastes |
| 02:18.39 | Renze | I use a style called QtCurve |
| 02:19.28 | bieb | does QtCurve come with KDE or did you download it? |
| 02:19.57 | Renze | it doesn't come with KDE, but there is an ebuild for gentoo on kde-look |
| 02:20.09 | Renze | so I downloaded that and emerged it :) |
| 02:20.33 | bieb | the reason I want to use a black type theme is, the company I will be working for, all the windows users are using an Xbox win theme that is black with alittle blue |
| 02:20.47 | Renze | I prefer light themes |
| 02:21.12 | bieb | so I thought if I could make a theme that was similar, it would be pretty cool |
| 02:22.45 | bieb | do you get your styles, windeco and icons from kde-look? |
| 02:22.54 | Renze | yes |
| 02:23.14 | bieb | ok.. didnt know if there was another site that I havent seen yet |
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| 02:26.31 | Xoritor | anyone here used k9copy? |
| 02:26.45 | Renze | not until I get a dvd writer :) |
| 02:26.56 | Xoritor | heh |
| 02:27.03 | Renze | send me one :D |
| 02:27.07 | Xoritor | well im having quality issues with it |
| 02:27.17 | Xoritor | so i dont know that its too good to use ;-) |
| 02:27.21 | mobtek | Xoritor: really, I used it the other day, it was great |
| 02:27.38 | Xoritor | mobtek, its easy... just not making "high quality" copies |
| 02:27.39 | mobtek | no quality issues at all |
| 02:27.47 | mobtek | well it's not for that |
| 02:27.59 | mobtek | it's for shrinking down to single layer |
| 02:28.05 | mobtek | and that it does very well |
| 02:28.24 | mobtek | I'm using 1.0.4 |
| 02:28.37 | mobtek | stuff I copied the other day looks great |
| 02:28.50 | Xoritor | yea but it was REALLY grainy |
| 02:28.55 | Xoritor | i expect a bit of loss |
| 02:29.00 | Xoritor | but this was VERY poor |
| 02:29.06 | Xoritor | not just a little poor |
| 02:29.15 | Xoritor | so bad my wife could tell a huge difference |
| 02:29.21 | mobtek | hmm weird |
| 02:29.43 | Xoritor | yea it looked worse than sand on the screen |
| 02:29.44 | Xoritor | heh |
| 02:30.01 | mobtek | i often backup dvd's with it so my originals stay nice and not scratched :) |
| 02:30.06 | mobtek | never had that prob |
| 02:30.07 | Xoritor | i may just forget the menus and do it my old way |
| 02:30.13 | Xoritor | yea same here |
| 02:30.14 | mobtek | heh |
| 02:30.35 | Xoritor | i give the copies to my wife etc... so they dont kill my originals |
| 02:30.47 | mobtek | plus my tv I've had since '89, so I really can't say if it's worse :) |
| 02:30.52 | Xoritor | heh |
| 02:30.54 | mobtek | I so need a new telly kekek |
| 02:31.08 | Xoritor | well i have a brand new sony hd widescreen |
| 02:31.17 | Xoritor | and i can see just about every little flaw |
| 02:31.24 | Xoritor | but 90% of the time im ok with it |
| 02:31.29 | mobtek | heh cool |
| 02:31.40 | Xoritor | its just when its a HUGE diff i want to fix it ;-) |
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| 02:32.31 | mobtek | heh get some dual layer media and just dd the sucker to an iso :) |
| 02:32.37 | mobtek | then it's a full copy |
| 02:32.48 | Xoritor | right |
| 02:32.54 | Xoritor | i am thinking of doing that |
| 02:33.01 | Xoritor | i have 2 dual layer burners |
| 02:33.09 | mobtek | heh |
| 02:33.14 | Xoritor | but the media is soooooo $$$$$ |
| 02:33.18 | Xoritor | sucks |
| 02:33.42 | mobtek | hmm it's about $70 for 50 dual layer dvd's here in au |
| 02:34.10 | Xoritor | yea its just not yet feasible |
| 02:34.33 | Xoritor | here in the us i just bought another 100 dvd-r pack for like $30 |
| 02:34.37 | Xoritor | after taxes |
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| 02:35.35 | Xoritor | i cant justify dual layer discs at over 2x the price for a backup for my wife to destroy and i know i will have to burn again |
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| 02:36.03 | mobtek | hahah |
| 02:37.12 | Xoritor | im trying it one more time then im just going to rip them without the menu again |
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| 02:39.57 | eristikophiles | um |
| 02:40.06 | Xoritor | mu? |
| 02:40.15 | Renze | ยต? |
| 02:40.19 | Xoritor | hahahaha |
| 02:40.25 | eristikophiles | kde doesn't seem to care if the device in xorg.conf is listed as /dev/sysmouse, /dev/psm0, or /dev/kbd1 |
| 02:40.26 | Xoritor | point to Renze |
| 02:40.58 | eristikophiles | ..are you *sure* it uses /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 02:41.21 | Renze | KDE doesn't use xorg.conf... xorg uses xorg.conf. kde uses xorg |
| 02:41.22 | eristikophiles | i mean the mouse works with any of those settings. the scrollwheel doesn't with 'em. |
| 02:41.26 | Xoritor | im sure i use /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:41.28 | eristikophiles | zaxis is 4 5 |
| 02:41.41 | eristikophiles | Renze- well i figured that. |
| 02:41.47 | eristikophiles | but i mean, is xorg being odd then? |
| 02:41.50 | illogic-al | Renze: was there a point to your pedancy? |
| 02:41.58 | eristikophiles | if xorg fails to load the right device does kde just do what it feels like? |
| 02:42.12 | Renze | illogic-al: just avoiding misunderstanding... kde does not read information from xorg.conf |
| 02:43.22 | illogic-al | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.03 | eristikophiles | no, i understand that part.. i'm just confused by how i keep changing xorg.conf and nothing seems to be different. |
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| 02:44.13 | eristikophiles | ..i just tried xorg without kde and it works. |
| 02:44.20 | eristikophiles | only there isn't much to test the scrollwheel on |
| 02:44.39 | illogic-al | eristikophiles: what art thou trying to do? |
| 02:44.57 | Renze | Option "ZAxisMapping" "6 7" |
| 02:45.02 | eristikophiles | get my scrollwheel to function in kde |
| 02:45.08 | eristikophiles | i thought 4 5 was preferred?! |
| 02:45.09 | eristikophiles | .. |
| 02:45.15 | Renze | no |
| 02:45.23 | Renze | my scroll wheel works |
| 02:45.28 | Renze | and I have "6 7" |
| 02:45.35 | illogic-al | eristikophiles: what's the mouse model? |
| 02:45.40 | Renze | but my mouse may not be the same as yours |
| 02:45.42 | eristikophiles | logitech trackman marble + |
| 02:45.44 | eristikophiles | it's ps/2 |
| 02:45.51 | illogic-al | ew. |
| 02:45.57 | eristikophiles | i set the driver to logitech in sysinstall |
| 02:46.08 | eristikophiles | ..this is the best cursor device ever, second only in some aspects to a tablet. |
| 02:46.09 | eristikophiles | :D |
| 02:46.12 | eristikophiles | ..imnsho |
| 02:46.30 | Renze | I can't stand trackballs |
| 02:46.32 | eristikophiles | ..the usb version with optical is slightly better. but it wasn't out in '99 when i got this |
| 02:46.34 | Renze | horrible things |
| 02:46.35 | illogic-al | eristikophiles: how many buttons does that mouse have? |
| 02:46.37 | eristikophiles | it's thumb-trackball |
| 02:46.39 | eristikophiles | three |
| 02:46.42 | eristikophiles | two + wheel |
| 02:46.57 | Renze | thumb trackballs are even worse |
| 02:47.01 | eristikophiles | lol |
| 02:47.03 | eristikophiles | *shrug |
| 02:47.04 | eristikophiles | * |
| 02:47.05 | eristikophiles | i love it |
| 02:47.08 | illogic-al | well. "4 5" should work for you. |
| 02:47.18 | eristikophiles | that's what it's been on |
| 02:47.37 | illogic-al | eristikophiles: try putting 'Option Buttons 5' in the mouse section |
| 02:48.20 | illogic-al | Option "Buttons" "5" rather |
| 02:48.39 | eristikophiles | hm |
| 02:48.45 | eristikophiles | k |
| 02:51.19 | eristikophiles | nope. works the same. |
| 02:51.38 | eristikophiles | er. wait.. |
| 02:51.47 | eristikophiles | sorry i did that in zaxis automatically |
| 02:53.18 | eristikophiles | ok, it really does work the same |
| 02:53.18 | mobtek | Renze: I have a thumbtrackball, it's brilliant |
| 02:53.21 | mobtek | Renze: but if I use a normal mouse within hours my right wrist is shooting sparks |
| 02:53.29 | eristikophiles | mobtek- does it have a scrollwheel? |
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| 02:53.34 | eristikophiles | yeah.. me too. |
| 02:53.35 | mobtek | eristikophiles: yuppers |
| 02:53.36 | Renze | my thumb doesn't move anywhere as smoothly as my forearm does... nerve damage from early spine problems |
| 02:53.39 | mobtek | it's a logitech |
| 02:53.41 | eristikophiles | is it ps/2? |
| 02:53.51 | mobtek | eristikophiles: hmm yes I think it is |
| 02:54.01 | mobtek | eristikophiles: want my xorg entry? |
| 02:54.03 | eristikophiles | what do you have in the mouse section in xorg.conf? |
| 02:54.09 | eristikophiles | yes please.. pastebin? |
| 02:54.09 | mobtek | hehe lemme look |
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| 02:54.47 | eristikophiles | hmm. when you get back, mobtek, is yours a model t-cl13? |
| 02:54.58 | mobtek | heh lemme look again |
| 02:54.59 | eristikophiles | ..just curious |
| 02:55.03 | eristikophiles | k |
| 02:55.26 | mobtek | t-bb18 |
| 02:55.35 | mobtek | trackman wheel |
| 02:55.38 | eristikophiles | ah. |
| 02:55.43 | mobtek | whats a good pastebin |
| 02:56.03 | Renze | rafb.net/paste |
| 02:56.17 | mobtek | thats the one :) |
| 02:56.25 | eristikophiles | er.. pastebin.com ? |
| 02:56.27 | eristikophiles | ok |
| 02:57.32 | mobtek | http://rafb.net/paste/results/BmjCO620.html <-- eristikophiles |
| 02:57.58 | eristikophiles | hm. i have a t-bb18 as well but it's usb.. a later model. |
| 02:58.09 | eristikophiles | the t-cl13 is ps/2 and oldschool-looking comparatively. |
| 02:58.30 | mobtek | mine is usb too but I think I have a ps2 adapter on it :) |
| 02:58.39 | eristikophiles | http://cgi.ebay.com/Logitech-T-CL13-Trackman-Marble-Trackball-PS-2-Mouse_W0QQitemZ270001798935QQihZ017QQcategoryZ11193QQcmdZViewItem |
| 02:58.45 | eristikophiles | that's what i've got.. only ps/2 |
| 02:58.49 | mobtek | back when linux hotplug and usb was dodgy :) |
| 02:58.53 | eristikophiles | heh |
| 02:59.07 | mobtek | plus it leaves me more usb ports now keke |
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| 02:59.22 | mobtek | so I can use my other normal laser mouse for gaming hehe |
| 02:59.32 | Frederick | folks Ive hidden the menu bars in konqueror how do I bring them back? |
| 02:59.39 | Renze | ctrl-m |
| 03:00.09 | Frederick | Renze, I love you :* |
| 03:00.23 | Renze | my door don't swing that way, man :P |
| 03:00.46 | eristikophiles | heh. i get 'failed to load module IMPS/2' if i try that line |
| 03:00.50 | Frederick | does anyone wanna see a funny website? |
| 03:01.10 | Renze | microsoft.com? |
| 03:01.19 | Renze | that one always makes me laugh |
| 03:01.21 | eristikophiles | mobtek- i use the trackball for gaming.. if i (which is almost never) play realtime games. |
| 03:01.36 | eristikophiles | Frederick- with the little arrow button thing |
| 03:01.51 | eristikophiles | ..am i the only one who plays with every last config option in any gui app i ever use? |
| 03:02.07 | eristikophiles | sorry Frederick, no offense. |
| 03:02.08 | Frederick | results for my networks class http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~asc/redes/resultados.html |
| 03:02.15 | Renze | eristikophiles: no, you're not the only one |
| 03:02.18 | eristikophiles | i just wondered that. it came out harsher than intended |
| 03:02.47 | Frederick | D = failed |
| 03:02.51 | Frederick | so failing is natural |
| 03:04.26 | Frederick | cool huh? |
| 03:04.47 | Renze | it's not as funny as microsoft.com :) |
| 03:05.21 | Frederick | this teacher is insane |
| 03:05.21 | mobtek | eristikophiles: I have to get some counterstrike in occasionally :) |
| 03:07.17 | eristikophiles | lol |
| 03:07.27 | eristikophiles | i've been playing SMAX |
| 03:07.33 | eristikophiles | it's sooo much fun. i forgot. |
| 03:07.45 | eristikophiles | i think next game i'ma try to play the hardest level. |
| 03:07.51 | eristikophiles | ..the second hardest seems easy. |
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| 03:09.54 | eristikophiles | wow. frederick's grades are *bad*. |
| 03:10.02 | eristikophiles | i feel competent with my 3.5 gpa now. |
| 03:10.34 | eristikophiles | *sigh* i am so destined to become an academic for life.. ;p philosophy. i'm going to go on a killing spree shouting about aristotle at some campus someday. |
| 03:10.35 | eristikophiles | ;p |
| 03:10.50 | eristikophiles | ..oh wait. this is why i'm trying to learn unix admin stuff and run a server. |
| 03:12.37 | eristikophiles | hm. which takes precedence.. the p/s2-ness or the logitech-ness? |
| 03:12.56 | eristikophiles | ..in sysinstall 'busmouse' says it's for logitech and ati and ms |
| 03:12.58 | eristikophiles | ... |
| 03:13.00 | eristikophiles | *shrug* |
| 03:13.53 | eristikophiles | oh wow. there's a specific mouse type for trackman serial mice. |
| 03:14.09 | eristikophiles | ..bbuuut it doesn't fit it |
| 03:15.53 | william_huang | \help |
| 03:16.09 | Renze | new to IRC, huh? |
| 03:16.22 | Renze | the command prefix is / not \ |
| 03:16.47 | eristikophiles | !!! |
| 03:16.49 | eristikophiles | it works!! |
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| 03:17.23 | eristikophiles | ..the sad sad part is all i did was set the *same thing* in sysinstall as it was set to before after setting it to other stuff first. |
| 03:17.25 | eristikophiles | .. i dunno. |
| 03:17.28 | eristikophiles | but i won't complain. |
| 03:18.05 | eristikophiles | thanks for the help y'all |
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| 03:24.00 | NickGarvey | how do I change the default shell for konsole? I want to use "fish" instead |
| 03:24.20 | Renze | fish isn't a shell, it's a kioslave |
| 03:24.31 | NickGarvey | oh.. |
| 03:24.53 | NickGarvey | yeah I have no idea what that means.. |
| 03:24.54 | Renze | but if you're referring to the other fish which has nothing to do with kde, then look in your /etc/passwd file |
| 03:25.10 | NickGarvey | fish is a shell! |
| 03:25.17 | NickGarvey | oh! you are right! |
| 03:25.24 | Renze | fish is a shell. fish:// is a kioslave |
| 03:25.25 | NickGarvey | I never even though of that |
| 03:25.31 | NickGarvey | oh yes, I ment the shell |
| 03:25.51 | Renze | still not a KDE question... just change the default shell for the user |
| 03:26.01 | Renze | I prefer zsh, personally |
| 03:26.10 | NickGarvey | I'm sorry, I wanted to know how to do it under konsole and didn't know it was system wide |
| 03:26.18 | NickGarvey | I apologize for offtopic questions |
| 03:26.32 | Renze | we get them all the time... no big deal :) |
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| 03:31.20 | DaSkreec1 | Hi Renze |
| 03:31.34 | Renze | hey Skreech |
| 03:33.55 | thiagoiano | how do i run a shell script to startup with kdm? |
| 03:37.56 | Ard0n1k | thiagoiano: perhaps http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin/startup.php will help |
| 03:42.36 | thiagoiano | tkz man |
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| 03:49.02 | DaSkreec1 | hi aseigo |
| 03:49.09 | aseigo | yo |
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| 03:53.54 | Reaper_Man | yay there's a kde channel :D |
| 03:54.04 | Reaper_Man | my emerge failed on me |
| 03:54.41 | DaSkreec1 | They should have a Gentoo system for Windows |
| 03:54.50 | DaSkreec1 | You could emerge hell |
| 03:54.53 | Reaper_Man | !!! ERROR kde-base/kdeaddons-3.5.2-r1 failed |
| 03:55.04 | Reaper_Man | so, um... why? |
| 03:55.21 | Renze | Reaper_Man: when you paste the *actual* error, we can tell you |
| 03:55.41 | Reaper_Man | er, ok |
| 03:56.22 | Reaper_Man | I think the actual error is off screen |
| 03:56.33 | Reaper_Man | unless it's on of the last few lines |
| 03:56.34 | Renze | scroll up with shift-pageup |
| 03:56.48 | Reaper_Man | oh, SHIFT page up |
| 03:56.50 | DaSkreec1 | Shift+PgUp? |
| 03:56.51 | Reaper_Man | thank you :) |
| 03:57.11 | Reaper_Man | ...not doing anything |
| 03:57.13 | Reaper_Man | ;/ |
| 03:58.03 | Renze | "where's the ANY key?" -- Homer J. Simpson |
| 03:58.09 | Reaper_Man | hah |
| 03:58.27 | DaSkreec1 | Man I cracked up at that in Starcraft |
| 03:58.36 | Reaper_Man | dunno why shift+pgup isn't working |
| 03:58.43 | Reaper_Man | it IS pissing me of though |
| 03:58.49 | Reaper_Man | *off |
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| 04:02.39 | Reaper_Man | what about showing the call stack right before it died? |
| 04:02.40 | Reaper_Man | I dunno |
| 04:02.55 | Renze | without the error, we can't help you |
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| 04:03.45 | Reaper_Man | is there any other way to scroll up the console? |
| 04:04.32 | Renze | no |
| 04:04.38 | Ardonik | Repeat the erroneous command and pipe its output to less. |
| 04:04.52 | Ardonik | Such as find . -name *.pc | less |
| 04:05.01 | BQ-Sleeping | Hi anyone here use kaffeine to view dvds? I keep getting this error during start of kaff or xine "There is no input plugin to handle ". Maybe MRL syntax is wrong or the file/stream source doesn't exist." |
| 04:05.24 | stoned | maybe you need libdvdcss2 |
| 04:05.25 | stoned | ? |
| 04:05.45 | BQ-Sleeping | When I hit more I see this "xine: cannot find input plugin for MRL []" |
| 04:05.46 | stoned | kaffeine plays dvds, but you need to be able to read dvds to begin with |
| 04:05.50 | BQ-Sleeping | stoned: Its installed |
| 04:05.54 | stoned | hmm |
| 04:06.01 | stoned | I dunno then sorry, maybe someone else could help you |
| 04:06.08 | BQ-Sleeping | Thanks anyway |
| 04:06.13 | Reaper_Man | repeat the command? |
| 04:06.33 | BQ-Sleeping | pardon? |
| 04:06.39 | Reaper_Man | it took hours to try to compile kde ;/ |
| 04:06.48 | Ardonik | Reaper_Man: Repeat the emerge command that failed, piping its output to less |
| 04:07.05 | Ardonik | Or redirecting its output to a file. emerge world > ~/log_file.txt |
| 04:07.29 | Ardonik | BQ-Sleeping: no idea. |
| 04:07.40 | BQ-Sleeping | thanks |
| 04:07.48 | Reaper_Man | ugh, alright I guess |
| 04:08.30 | BQ-Sleeping | The odd thing is kmplayer plays the dvds |
| 04:09.08 | Ardonik | BQ-Sleeping: I use mplayer for all my DVD needs. |
| 04:09.33 | BQ-Sleeping | I s |
| 04:09.34 | BQ-Sleeping | Playing dvd:/. |
| 04:09.34 | BQ-Sleeping | File not found: 'dvd:/' |
| 04:09.34 | BQ-Sleeping | Failed to open dvd:/. |
| 04:09.49 | BQ-Sleeping | I got that when I tried to play mplayer from the cl |
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| 04:09.58 | jk- | ahoy |
| 04:10.05 | BQ-Sleeping | Ardonik: mplayer is good |
| 04:10.20 | Ardonik | mplayer dvd://1 |
| 04:10.26 | BQ-Sleeping | I dont' seem to have a dvd:/ protocol |
| 04:10.30 | jk- | anyone handy with KDE trunk and/or cmake ? |
| 04:10.38 | BQ-Sleeping | same error |
| 04:10.44 | Ardonik | Works for me |
| 04:11.17 | qupada | jk-: i know a little about cmake, but not from compiling kde |
| 04:11.21 | Ardonik | BQ-Sleeping: how about mplayer -dvd 1? |
| 04:11.51 | jk- | qupada: just having a problem building - looks like a _LIBADD isn't being recognised |
| 04:12.06 | BQ-Sleeping | -dvd N is deprecated, use dvd://N instead. |
| 04:12.41 | qupada | jk-: try running 'ccmake' instead of 'cmake' and it should give you a nice ncurses menu for configuring compile options, might find something useful in there |
| 04:12.58 | jk- | ok, cheers :) |
| 04:13.36 | BQ-Sleeping | dvd:// works |
| 04:13.37 | Reaper_Man | oh, it's just redoing kdeaddons |
| 04:13.43 | Reaper_Man | well taht works |
| 04:13.46 | Reaper_Man | *that |
| 04:13.56 | Reaper_Man | I might get my error sooner than I though |
| 04:13.57 | Ardonik | BQ-Sleeping: well, there you go :-) |
| 04:13.59 | Reaper_Man | *thought |
| 04:14.16 | BQ-Sleeping | but kaffeine still doesn't work :/ |
| 04:14.36 | Reaper_Man | it's probably going to be something a flag in USE that I neglected to add |
| 04:14.38 | jk- | qupada: ah, this is the global vars, not the per-target stuff :/ |
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| 04:15.54 | BQ-Sleeping | Ardonik: thanks GN |
| 04:16.04 | Ardonik | 'Nite |
| 04:16.08 | qupada | jk-: 'fraid i can't be any more help then, my experience with cmake isn't with kde |
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| 04:16.17 | jk- | qupada: thanks anyway though :) |
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| 04:17.08 | thiagoiano | exit |
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| 04:19.04 | Reaper_Man | hmm |
| 04:20.18 | Ardonik | Reaper_Man: have you tried #gentoo? |
| 04:20.31 | Reaper_Man | not yet |
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| 04:20.46 | Ardonik | They know more about use flags than we do! |
| 04:20.54 | Reaper_Man | hah |
| 04:20.56 | Ardonik | (I'm using Mandriva right now.) |
| 04:21.33 | Reaper_Man | well I can't find any errors pertaining to something missing in USE |
| 04:22.48 | Reaper_Man | and outputting to less only showed it starting to leave the directories |
| 04:23.04 | Reaper_Man | so the actual error was on screen, heh |
| 04:25.39 | Ardonik | I'd pastebin the entire emerge transcript and then ask about it in #gentoo |
| 04:27.41 | Reaper_Man | heh |
| 04:27.45 | Reaper_Man | pastebin? |
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| 04:30.00 | kucrut | ~pastebin |
| 04:30.07 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/, or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or for #oe use http://oe.pastebin.com, or http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 04:30.29 | Renze | or http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 04:30.36 | Ardonik | Yup |
| 04:32.35 | Reaper_Man | sounds nifty |
| 04:33.20 | Reaper_Man | I'm putting the emerge in a log file now |
| 04:33.22 | Reaper_Man | wheee |
| 04:33.31 | Reaper_Man | *emerge output |
| 04:33.41 | Reaper_Man | that and making ramen |
| 04:33.44 | Reaper_Man | mmm, ramen |
| 04:36.42 | narq | w |
| 04:36.42 | narq | <nile> _Lewellyn is using windows? |
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| 04:37.36 | Renze | guess narq should have used a pastebin :) |
| 04:38.10 | jJjoeee | hello |
| 04:39.56 | jJjoeee | ive gotten lost trying to do something that seems simple.. where can i find an older rpm of wine for fedora5 preferably 0.9.13, thanks for reading |
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| 04:40.46 | Renze | jJjoeee: um, this is #kde, not #fedora |
| 04:41.03 | jJjoeee | i cant get in fedora, just thought someone might know |
| 04:41.19 | DaSkreec1 | try registering |
| 04:41.28 | jJjoeee | ok |
| 04:43.47 | Reaper_Man | crap.... it logged everything but the error |
| 04:43.51 | Reaper_Man | really, wtf? |
| 04:44.13 | Renze | Reaper_Man: try 2> instead of just > (2 is stderr) |
| 04:44.43 | Reaper_Man | so emerge kde 2> log.txt then? |
| 04:45.09 | Renze | that will log the errors and nothing else |
| 04:45.23 | Reaper_Man | alright then |
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| 04:46.49 | Reaper_Man | and how do you get mouse support running? is there a module I need to run? |
| 04:47.01 | Renze | uh? |
| 04:47.11 | Renze | you mean in a virtual console? |
| 04:47.11 | Reaper_Man | nevermind, htat should be a question for #gentoo |
| 04:47.17 | Reaper_Man | *that |
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| 04:54.14 | Reaper_Man | awesome ot worked |
| 04:54.17 | Reaper_Man | *it |
| 04:54.21 | Reaper_Man | thanks Renze |
| 04:54.32 | Renze | no problem :) |
| 04:55.01 | Reaper_Man | now pastebin is nice and all, but is there something similar where I can just upload the fiole instead of pasting to a field? |
| 04:55.09 | Reaper_Man | *file |
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| 04:56.54 | DaSkreec1 | Whats the Difference? |
| 04:57.03 | DaSkreec1 | I think that you can attach a file on pastebin |
| 04:58.16 | Reaper_Man | really, because I didn't see it |
| 04:58.57 | DaSkreec1 | AIR |
| 04:59.15 | Reaper_Man | ? |
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| 05:04.09 | DaSkreec1 | As I recall |
| 05:06.59 | Reaper_Man | oh, heh |
| 05:07.06 | Renze | TLA |
| 05:07.13 | Reaper_Man | it might be because I'm using lynx |
| 05:07.16 | Reaper_Man | I dunno |
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| 05:28.26 | vinboy | hi |
| 05:28.35 | vinboy | how do I get back to Normal Mode in KMplayer? |
| 05:28.40 | vinboy | from minimal mode |
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| 06:53.26 | ErenTurkay | hi all |
| 06:53.31 | ErenTurkay | how can i start gnome with kdm ? |
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| 06:54.59 | flaccid | ErenTurkay: depends on distro |
| 06:55.04 | Spum | use gnome-session |
| 06:55.26 | ErenTurkay | how ? whic file must i configure * |
| 06:55.31 | ErenTurkay | which* |
| 06:56.09 | Spum | run kdm conf |
| 06:56.21 | Spum | Use KDesu or just login as root |
| 06:56.42 | ErenTurkay | brb |
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| 07:22.52 | Shirakawasuna | for some reason kde forgets my compose key every time it restarts..it's very annoying |
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| 07:23.15 | Shirakawasuna | I have to open up kcontrol, deselect and reselect it (the settings don't change), then hit apply |
| 07:23.37 | Renze | weird... it "just works" here :) |
| 07:23.44 | Shirakawasuna | ฿ :0 |
| 07:24.11 | Shirakawasuna | do you have the 'reset old options' checkbox checked? |
| 07:24.28 | Renze | yes |
| 07:24.51 | Shirakawasuna | It was unchecked for me. Maybe that was the problem :) |
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| 07:45.18 | sunru | hi |
| 07:45.23 | sunru | any kate users here? |
| 07:45.50 | flaccid | yes |
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| 07:46.36 | sunru | hi, do you know if its possible to allows one to collapse blocks of text defined manually? |
| 07:47.05 | sunru | i have some sql blocks i would like to collapse manually. |
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| 07:47.23 | fm | hi |
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| 07:48.12 | fm | I was wondering, how can I disable the menus that pop up everytime I put my mouse over a task bar item? |
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| 07:49.31 | sunru | if you could highlight a block of text and collapse it, that would be great. |
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| 07:49.50 | aseigo | fm: menus? |
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| 07:50.16 | fm | not menus sorry, rather a help, tips |
| 07:50.26 | aseigo | fm: if you mean the info bubles, go to the panel configuration and uncheck "enable icon mousover effects" |
| 07:51.39 | fm | yahoo it did it |
| 07:51.40 | fm | thanks |
| 07:52.30 | sunru | flaccid: is it possible? |
| 07:53.08 | flaccid | i doubt it |
| 07:54.03 | sunru | yeh |
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| 07:54.15 | flaccid | it would be a cool feature i guess |
| 07:54.24 | flaccid | but i don't see the need to collapse stuff much |
| 07:54.32 | flaccid | i guess thats coz i'm on WSXGA+ |
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| 07:56.16 | sunru | it would be neat |
| 07:56.29 | sunru | just leave the first line. |
| 07:57.03 | sunru | i find the split in kate anoying sometimes, somehow the windows link. |
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| 08:39.37 | fred__ | hi |
| 08:40.28 | fred__ | when I use Konqueror, It use my cpu 100%. |
| 08:40.46 | fred__ | why? |
| 08:41.29 | fred__ | ?? |
| 08:41.38 | fred__ | any body here? |
| 08:41.41 | fred__ | no one? |
| 08:41.47 | padde | i'm here ;) |
| 08:42.14 | fred__ | Did you see my question? |
| 08:42.24 | padde | no |
| 08:42.34 | fred__ | when I use Konqueror, It use my cpu 100%. |
| 08:42.50 | fred__ | and My pc run very slowly. |
| 08:43.00 | Ardonik | nice -n 19 konqueror |
| 08:43.02 | padde | you use konqueror for what? |
| 08:43.22 | padde | Ardonik: that's a bad workaround... don't you think? |
| 08:43.29 | fred__ | visit web site |
| 08:43.30 | Ardonik | Or renice -n 19 `pidof konqueror` |
| 08:43.40 | fred__ | .. |
| 08:43.46 | appelza | using the latest version? and what use flags did you compile it with |
| 08:43.57 | fred__ | Kubuntu I used |
| 08:44.19 | padde | fred__: which website? |
| 08:44.37 | fred__ | such as codex.wordpress.org |
| 08:45.23 | padde | fred__: works for me... sorry, you need to give more information, otherwise it will be too hard to find the reason |
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| 09:00.24 | vinboy | hi.. my gtk app can display unicode correctly, but kde app doesn't |
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| 09:00.41 | vinboy | is there any way to set fonts for unicode? |
| 09:01.24 | padde | vinboy: i'm using Arial Unicode |
| 09:01.49 | vinboy | oh ok |
| 09:01.55 | vinboy | i have fonts pack for unicode |
| 09:01.59 | vinboy | which are quite good |
| 09:02.04 | Spum | Heh |
| 09:02.05 | vinboy | but i duno how to set kde to use it |
| 09:02.23 | vinboy | i wan to use bitstream for normal fonts, and i wanna use my font pack for unicode |
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| 09:05.31 | thiago | vinboy: set your font to be used as the default font then |
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| 09:05.46 | afm\colossus | hello everyone :) |
| 09:06.00 | afm\colossus | is it possible to completely disable KDE's trash-thingie? |
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| 09:06.33 | vinboy | thiago: if I set my unicode as default, it doesn't display the ASCII as nice as the one i'm using now |
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| 09:06.55 | thiago | afm\colossus: completely disable? Not sure. But you can bind the Del key to Delete (not Send to Trash) in Konqueror. |
| 09:07.10 | thiago | vinboy: you're making a difference where none exist: KDE is fully Unicode |
| 09:07.16 | thiago | so either you use the font or you don't. |
| 09:08.06 | afm\colossus | thiago: ok, i've already done so :) |
| 09:08.18 | afm\colossus | thanks |
| 09:09.48 | afm\colossus | could anyone with konqueror do me a favor? i'm having problems with the display of single quotes on certain websites, but neither my fonts, nor my encoding seem to have an impact. i'd like to have, for example, http://citizen428.net/ checked by someone to see if quotes display ok there for anyone else... |
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| 09:12.52 | padde | afm\colossus: Screenshot: http://tinyurl.com/qqjhh (JPEG version) / http://tinyurl.com/mcn4c (PNG version) |
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| 09:13.17 | afm\colossus | wow, that's service - great thanks |
| 09:13.29 | afm\colossus | it's working for you, obviously |
| 09:13.52 | padde | afm\colossus: yeah, I don't see a problem on that page |
| 09:13.58 | afm\colossus | my build of konqueror seems to run into problems when parsing HTML-entities with unicode charcodes.... |
| 09:14.33 | padde | afm\colossus: hm.. i'm using 3.5.3 |
| 09:14.46 | afm\colossus | i'm still on .2 |
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| 09:15.25 | afm\colossus | http://gnulords.org/~colo/tmp/unicodeentities.jpg |
| 09:15.29 | afm\colossus | that's how it looks for me |
| 09:15.31 | afm\colossus | :-( |
| 09:15.42 | afm\colossus | bearable, but still annoying |
| 09:15.52 | padde | afm\colossus: oh... |
| 09:15.56 | afm\colossus | may i ask you what Font you are using, padde? |
| 09:17.00 | padde | afm\colossus: umm... I didn't change it... I have arial as default, but that one is different... |
| 09:17.18 | afm\colossus | hm i see |
| 09:17.50 | padde | afm\colossus: I guess it's verdana |
| 09:18.06 | padde | afm\colossus: (which is the first proposed one in the stylesheet) |
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| 09:19.06 | afm\colossus | i haven't got corefonts installed |
| 09:19.22 | afm\colossus | so it's got to be something else for me ;) |
| 09:19.30 | afm\colossus | Bitstream Sans, I guess |
| 09:19.35 | padde | afm\colossus: yeah... yours looks like helvetica |
| 09:19.58 | padde | afm\colossus: not anti-aliased.... don't like it at all ;) |
| 09:20.27 | afm\colossus | hehe ;) |
| 09:20.36 | afm\colossus | i'm happy with the looks |
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| 09:32.45 | coolfish | distro: gentoo; kde-3.5.3: kwrited does not respond to wall. somebody know why? |
| 09:34.09 | afm\colossus | aporpos... anyone in here aware of why kvim is not actively developed any more? |
| 09:34.48 | afm\colossus | i mean, kate is nice and everything, but... i just want my beloved vim :\ |
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| 09:39.54 | lypanov | anyone noticed any regressions in printing in kde with 3.5.3? |
| 09:39.57 | lypanov | (debian packages) |
| 09:40.14 | pinotree | regressions like? |
| 09:40.14 | lypanov | i now get cups error messages ("client server error") |
| 09:40.22 | lypanov | it seems that the .ps file it generates in /tmp is empty |
| 09:40.35 | pinotree | i''ve no real printers supported with linux so i can print only files :\ |
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| 09:42.20 | coolfish | lypanov, did you upgrade cups to v1.2? |
| 09:42.59 | lypanov | coolfish: would that help or by the reason? |
| 09:44.03 | lypanov | s/by/be/ |
| 09:44.04 | coolfish | lypanov, no! but if you did upgrade to cups 1.2 kde printig needs some patches |
| 09:44.13 | lypanov | coolfish: ach |
| 09:44.42 | qupada | coolfish: heh, i noticed that, the kde printing control panel isn't friends with cups so much after the upgrade |
| 09:45.30 | coolfish | the kubuntoo team has some patches... but I use gentoo :-) |
| 09:46.11 | qupada | i got it to work again, but then again the cups web config works just as well |
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| 09:49.52 | chakie_work | kubuntu dapper has botched cups pretty badly |
| 09:50.41 | chakie_work | i spent many hours just fiddling with stuff trying to get it to work, and it was all stuff that really would've worked fine with a default cups.org version |
| 09:51.32 | pinotree | chakie_work: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/blog/418 |
| 09:51.50 | chakie_work | yeah, i know |
| 09:52.05 | Spum | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.1/qstring.html#toInt |
| 09:52.10 | chakie_work | without that i'd have been so rectally penetrated it wouldn't have been funny |
| 09:52.19 | Spum | oops |
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| 13:29.35 | welp[lap] | kucrut, oi oi |
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| 13:29.47 | shanky | hey, good afternoon |
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| 13:31.08 | shanky | I don't if this is a kde problem or a kubuntu one or both. I have a problem when I try to receive an imap email using kmail |
| 13:31.24 | shanky | it consumes all the ram: |
| 13:31.28 | shanky | ps aux | grep kio_imap |
| 13:31.29 | shanky | jramirez 4883 54.6 81.2 1219476 815144 ? R 15:16 2:11 kio_imap4 [kdeinit] imap /tmp/ksocket-jramirez/klauncherIupUlc.slave-socket /tmp/ksocket-jramirez/kontactoa5yWa.slave-socket |
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| 13:31.33 | afm\colossus | works for me on kubuntu and gentoo |
| 13:32.38 | shanky | afm\colossus: I have more than 400 emails in the same kontact, but I have only problem with this one |
| 13:33.12 | afm\colossus | tried with another app yet? |
| 13:33.24 | shanky | afm\colossus: no, not yet |
| 13:34.03 | shanky | I'll try with mutt |
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| 14:03.06 | tek0 | can I make konqueror display a different set of bookmarks for different profiles? |
| 14:04.30 | tek0 | (on the toolbar) |
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| 14:07.43 | wicking | hello, i've a question. i use suse 10.0 and KDM to choose which windowmanager to start. but regardless of which windowmanager i chosed to start, it always starts KDE. |
| 14:07.43 | wicking | how can i find out, which conf-file says the KDM to always start KDE? |
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| 14:18.17 | wicking | nobody here with a hint for my "kdm starts always kde"-problem? |
| 14:22.42 | hagabaka | hey, KBasket looks neat |
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| 14:25.26 | snd-ca0106 | hi i need help: dcop kdesktop KDesktopIface popupExecuteCommand - opens Run Dialog ---- there's a similar thing to open Create Shortcut dialog ? |
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| 14:40.32 | vinboy | hi |
| 14:40.36 | vinboy | where is klipper? |
| 14:41.14 | pinotree | you mean, how to run it? |
| 14:41.46 | pinotree | vinboy: ^ |
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| 14:47.00 | snd-ca0106 | hi i need help: dcop kdesktop KDesktopIface popupExecuteCommand - opens Run Dialog ---- there's a similar thing to open Create Shortcut dialog ? |
| 14:47.29 | padde | snd-ca0106: what do you want to do? |
| 14:47.48 | zebalin4 | Using kmail, I set up POP to "save on server 10 days" I'm testing this. I sent mail and got it. How do I get saved copy? |
| 14:47.53 | vinboy | pinotree: yup |
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| 14:48.13 | vinboy | pinotree: which package is it in? |
| 14:48.19 | pinotree | vinboy: kdebase |
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| 14:48.49 | pinotree | vinboy: if you want klipper in the tray, then kmenu -> utilities -> desktop |
| 14:49.20 | pinotree | vinboy: if you want it as panel applet, then right click on the panel -> add applet -> klipper |
| 14:49.28 | vinboy | thanks |
| 14:49.44 | padde | zebalin4: i think kmail remembers that it popped this message already, and won't pop it again... so you should have a look with the web-interface or another mail application if the message is still on the server |
| 14:49.47 | vinboy | strange, i can't find it :( |
| 14:49.51 | vinboy | maybe i haven't install it |
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| 14:50.04 | pinotree | vinboy: alt+f2 -> klipper |
| 14:50.17 | pinotree | vinboy: gives you its icon? |
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| 14:50.40 | wilotas | Hi all |
| 14:50.42 | vinboy | command not found |
| 14:50.48 | padde | vinboy: gentoo? |
| 14:50.48 | snd-ca0106 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.06 | wilotas | Someone knows why in the KDE menu i cant see the Debian Menu? |
| 14:51.06 | padde | snd-ca0106: in order to do what? |
| 14:51.21 | snd-ca0106 | i need that as a part of a more complex script |
| 14:51.32 | vinboy | padde: yup |
| 14:51.33 | snd-ca0106 | i just need a way to recall that dialog via script |
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| 14:51.42 | zebalin4 | padde: what if I had accidently a message and want to get it again? |
| 14:51.45 | padde | vinboy: emerge klipper |
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| 14:52.25 | padde | zebalin4: dunno... perhaps there is a function to let kmail forget which messages it popped already... |
| 14:52.43 | snd-ca0106 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.43 | padde | zebalin4: i'm using imap, so I'm not experienced in quirky pop workarounds ;) |
| 14:52.45 | zebalin4 | I checked and the mail is still on sever (using web interface). |
| 14:52.45 | snd-ca0106 | ? |
| 14:52.57 | andred | hm, i've somehow lost jpeg-support in kde (no previews, gwenview doesn't show it, ...). any ideas? |
| 14:53.00 | vinboy | thanks padde |
| 14:53.02 | vinboy | thx pinotree |
| 14:53.07 | pinotree | yw |
| 14:53.07 | vinboy | got it now |
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| 14:53.17 | padde | snd-ca0106: i don't know, but it's always better to tell what you really want to do, not some steps before the final target... perhaps there is a better solution than you initially thought of |
| 14:53.55 | snd-ca0106 | k but that's all i want ;) no better no more no less just that gui |
| 14:53.56 | snd-ca0106 | ;) |
| 14:54.38 | padde | snd-ca0106: link to what? url? program? |
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| 14:56.28 | padde | snd-ca0106: forget it... i don't know how to accomplish that anyway ;) |
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| 14:56.50 | padde | snd-ca0106: i'd just realise it through a shell script or something... still don't know what you're up to |
| 14:58.02 | snd-ca0106 | ^_^ |
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| 14:58.34 | snd-ca0106 | there's a kde-"insiders" channel ? somehere ? |
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| 15:04.56 | wilotas | Someone knows why in the KDE menu i cant see the Debian Menu? |
| 15:06.28 | zebalin4 | What good is "save mail on server" in Kmail if you can't get it again? |
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| 15:08.56 | zebalin4 | No replies on mail issue? OK, thanks anyway. |
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| 15:16.21 | d34df00d | !nickometer d34df00d |
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| 15:18.16 | undesktop | how can I make Konqueror to open compressed archives always in... erm, Konqueror, and not in this crappy KDE archiver? |
| 15:19.25 | benJIman|tov | settings -> configure konqueror -> file associations |
| 15:19.44 | benJIman|tov | and choose show file in embedded viewer in the embedding tab |
| 15:21.24 | undesktop | for which entry in the tree? |
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| 15:22.53 | benJIman|tov | undesktop: the selections |
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| 15:24.15 | undesktop | benJIman|tov: I did it for all nodes at the top level, but it didn't work: for instance, when I click a .txt.gz file, still an Ark window pops out |
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| 15:30.57 | unity | is there a way to not make konqueror fetch the icons for the urls in the drop down as i start typing something in the location bar, or to have it do it in a different thread? |
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| 15:40.37 | afm\colossus | unity |
| 15:40.39 | afm\colossus | http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret+Config+Settings#id440510 |
| 15:40.42 | afm\colossus | this may be what you want |
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| 15:46.10 | unity | afm\colossus: cool thanks. there is so much material here that even if i don't find what i want, i would be happy |
| 15:46.21 | afm\colossus | :) |
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| 15:50.14 | afm\colossus | i'm looking for info on how to enable those handy "Copy To..." and "Move To..." menu entries in konqu's right click menu |
| 15:50.21 | afm\colossus | any ideas, anyone? |
| 15:50.39 | unity | ~servicemenus |
| 15:50.47 | apt | methinks servicemenus is http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/dot/servicemenus.html |
| 15:51.18 | unity | actually, those are not servicemenus, sorry |
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| 15:51.44 | afm\colossus | cool :) |
| 15:51.46 | afm\colossus | thanks |
| 15:53.05 | unity | the link you gave me has a way to remove those menus |
| 15:53.37 | unity | maybe you can undo it |
| 15:55.29 | afm\colossus | unity: i already tried that - without luck, though ;) |
| 15:55.53 | unity | what version of kde? |
| 15:56.26 | unity | some old versions did not have that menu, methinks |
| 15:56.28 | afm\colossus | 3.5.2 |
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| 15:58.47 | unity | that remark does not deserve a /me |
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| 15:59.56 | kroyer | hi |
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| 16:00.47 | [Linux] | ergh, didnt know /ame's go into all networks |
| 16:01.11 | kroyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.26 | kroyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.34 | afm\colossus | be sure to have the cache enabled |
| 16:04.36 | kroyer | afm\colossus: what about the policy ? |
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| 16:06.18 | [Linux] | meh ame |
| 16:08.59 | aib | in Konsole i have my "Linux Console" and "Shell" Execute set to `bash --login', but I still just get the bash prompt and have to manually type `bash --login' to get my custom prompt etc... |
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| 16:11.16 | aib | does someone know how i can get this to automatically happen? |
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| 16:12.01 | thiago | move the variables into a file that is read by bash in non-login shells |
| 16:12.07 | thiago | technically, a Konsole session is not a login |
| 16:12.12 | thiago | it's just another interactive shell |
| 16:12.35 | thiago | the login variables are read by kdm |
| 16:12.46 | aib | thanks |
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| 16:30.39 | anabain | how can I disable artsd definitively in my session? |
| 16:31.06 | anabain | the daemon keeps starting again and again whenever I kill the process |
| 16:32.32 | afm\colossus | /etc/init.d/arts* stop |
| 16:32.33 | afm\colossus | maybe? |
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| 16:33.34 | anabain | afm\colossus, it doesn't work, as there isn't any artsd in /etc/init.d |
| 16:34.11 | afm\colossus | big suck |
| 16:34.22 | afm\colossus | sounddaemons are a plague |
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| 16:40.45 | oneforall | users 25 2006-06-29 10:51 ksplashrc has the right spashscreen I want but it keeps using the default? |
| 16:43.24 | PhilRod | ? |
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| 16:45.57 | djbeenie | using kde: what is an easy way to print to a network printer? |
| 16:47.26 | eastwood | djbeenie, kcontrol |
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| 16:48.55 | djbeenie | ty |
| 16:49.23 | eastwood | djbeenie, periferals, printers |
| 16:50.13 | djbeenie | how do I add a network printer there |
| 16:50.20 | frb-work | is it possible to get OOO to use KIO? |
| 16:50.44 | Q-collective | frb-work: sure, just edit its source ;) |
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| 16:51.05 | Q-collective | that would mean quite an extensive patch though |
| 16:51.07 | Q-collective | :> |
| 16:51.09 | PhilRod | ~artstr |
| 16:51.10 | apt | You can find some tips on diagnosing sound-related problems at http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/sound.html |
| 16:51.31 | djbeenie | nm I had to be in admin mode to find it |
| 16:52.02 | eastwood | djbeenie, i believe so |
| 16:52.11 | eastwood | a network printer will be added system-wide |
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| 16:58.38 | Russel | hiho |
| 16:59.16 | frb-work | when Kerry got upgraded, it highjacked my F12 keybinding, how do I make that go back to yakuake? |
| 17:00.30 | frb-work | ok, yakuake SAYS F12 is the key, but when I press F12, nothing happens |
| 17:00.49 | frb-work | (using the launcher that uses dcop to toggle yakuake is fine, so yes, it is definitely running) |
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| 17:01.20 | Sho_ | Just configure Kerry not to use F12, I guess |
| 17:01.54 | frb-work | I did that too |
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| 17:02.11 | Kanniball | hi! |
| 17:02.34 | Kanniball | anybody here using kmail with bogofilter? |
| 17:02.57 | welp[lap] | kucrut, oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi |
| 17:03.18 | welp[lap] | bbl |
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| 17:22.30 | majikman | does anyone know how to enable the windows key to become a modifier key when configuring keyboard shortcuts? |
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| 17:23.22 | afm\colossus | majikman: it's Mod4 by default |
| 17:23.32 | afm\colossus | man xmodmap tells you how to fiddle with it |
| 17:23.35 | majikman | hrm... my mod4 is blank |
| 17:23.40 | majikman | ok cool, thanks |
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| 17:35.21 | majikman | what is the hex code for the windows key supposed to be? |
| 17:36.03 | afm\colossus | keycode 115 (keysym 0xffeb, Super_L) |
| 17:36.24 | frb-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.52 | majikman | ahh... mines is defined as Super_L (0x7f), Hyper_L (0x80) for some reason |
| 17:37.20 | majikman | but the keysymdef.h file says SUPER_L is 0xffeb.... so does that mean i should change it? |
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| 17:54.40 | Red-Sox | Anyone here use konq as default browser? |
| 17:54.58 | Bille | sure |
| 17:55.20 | afm\colossus | <- |
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| 17:55.31 | SimAtWork | i do Red-Sox |
| 17:55.31 | Shirakawasuna | I do! |
| 17:55.33 | eastwood | nop |
| 17:55.39 | SimAtWork | it's great |
| 17:55.46 | Shirakawasuna | I love the location bar search |
| 17:56.03 | SimAtWork | i love gg: |
| 17:56.07 | SimAtWork | etc. |
| 17:56.37 | Shirakawasuna | sometimes it fails to render things properly - slashdot doesn't render all that great :). People tell me that it's bad css, but firefox renders it just fine |
| 17:56.43 | Red-Sox | SimAtWork: Okay...I'm just making sure I'm not crazy :) |
| 17:56.46 | Shirakawasuna | but that doesn't happen very often |
| 17:56.50 | afm\colossus | i love women :< |
| 17:57.13 | afm\colossus | Shirakawasuna: /.'s markup was fixed a few days ago |
| 17:57.18 | afm\colossus | apparently |
| 17:57.30 | afm\colossus | don't have problems any more with the rendeirng there |
| 17:58.11 | SimAtWork | Red-Sox: i'm sure we're all crazy |
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| 17:58.26 | Red-Sox | SimAtWork: Yeah...that's probably true... |
| 17:58.28 | piggz | afm\colossus: do you have problems with newsforge+konqueror? |
| 17:58.36 | Red-Sox | SimAtWork: what distro do you use? |
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| 17:58.53 | afm\colossus | piggz: i don't read newsforge, unless it's linked from /. ;) |
| 17:59.07 | straw | piggz: I have, as well as other VA sites |
| 17:59.40 | piggz | straw: i'll be damned if i can get it to show any stories...it only displayes the header |
| 17:59.50 | straw | piggz: same here |
| 18:00.04 | Shirakawasuna | yay |
| 18:00.09 | straw | slahdot is fine |
| 18:00.24 | straw | slashdot, even |
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| 18:00.28 | piggz | Shirakawasuna: i bet newsforge doesnt work tho :) |
| 18:00.42 | Shirakawasuna | I have very few problems, although sometimes those dumb sites like say wells fargo don't like how it handles things |
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| 18:01.27 | Shirakawasuna | it doesn't do the time elapsed properly - I can login, then open a tab and start browsing. Two minutes later it tells me that after a period of inactivity I've been logged off :). Stupid wells fargo |
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| 18:03.00 | straw | http://www.linux.com/ for instance is just empty |
| 18:03.05 | afm\colossus | piggz: seems to work fine here |
| 18:03.09 | afm\colossus | (newsforge) |
| 18:03.26 | afm\colossus | as well as linux.com |
| 18:03.54 | straw | afm\colossus: which kde release? |
| 18:04.00 | afm\colossus | 3.5.2 |
| 18:04.04 | afm\colossus | (gentoo stable x86) |
| 18:04.47 | straw | 3.5.3 over here |
| 18:05.09 | straw | fedora x86 |
| 18:05.11 | afm\colossus | http://gnulords.org/~colo/tmp/proof.jpg |
| 18:05.15 | benJIman|tov | hmm linux.com doesn't render here |
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| 18:05.22 | afm\colossus | that's how it's supposed to display, right? |
| 18:05.22 | benJIman|tov | wonder why that is |
| 18:05.23 | afm\colossus | :) |
| 18:06.35 | straw | afm\colossus: try just http://www.linux.com/ and http://www.newsforge.com/ |
| 18:06.54 | afm\colossus | straw: no problems whatsoever |
| 18:07.12 | afm\colossus | (i started browsing from there, actually) |
| 18:07.12 | straw | hm, odd |
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| 18:07.26 | benJIman|tov | staroin: try disabling adblocK, does it render then? |
| 18:07.46 | straw | i was just thinking that |
| 18:07.47 | afm\colossus | (over here with adblock enabled, though ;)) |
| 18:08.02 | afm\colossus | my filters are 100% selfmade, however |
| 18:08.37 | straw | aha... no ads no render |
| 18:08.52 | straw | those bitches |
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| 18:10.57 | Shirakawasuna | linux.com seems to render ok for me |
| 18:11.24 | straw | i guess they think i really need the facts about Windows Server 2003 |
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| 18:12.04 | frb-work | ~kiosk |
| 18:12.05 | apt | A WWW Based MySQL database manager. URL: http://www.icaap.org/software/kiosk/ |
| 18:12.15 | frb-work | umm, no not a db manager |
| 18:12.19 | straw | Shirakawasuna: yeah, it's fine depending on how konq's adblock is set up |
| 18:12.22 | frb-work | I want KDE kiosk management |
| 18:12.43 | pinotree | frb-work: www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin |
| 18:13.27 | Shirakawasuna | I don't mind ads. Only popups |
| 18:13.52 | Shirakawasuna | ads can be easily ignored...unless they're those annoying flash ones that make noise in which case I want to take a bat to the creator's face |
| 18:14.15 | straw | well, that's one opinion... |
| 18:15.31 | Shirakawasuna | that' THE opinion :) |
| 18:15.41 | Shirakawasuna | who doesn't want to take a bat to flash ads w/ sound? |
| 18:16.09 | Shirakawasuna | I like the media that flash has but not flash itself |
| 18:16.10 | frb-work | I like flash |
| 18:16.25 | frb-work | but like any tool, it has been misused |
| 18:16.27 | straw | "ads can be easily ignored..." is the opinion i'm referring to |
| 18:16.36 | frb-work | don't hate the tool, hate the designers |
| 18:16.41 | Shirakawasuna | straw: they can be...perhaps it's genetic |
| 18:16.54 | Shirakawasuna | I never pay attention to ads on the websites I visit |
| 18:17.35 | Shirakawasuna | something better, even |
| 18:19.15 | SimAtWork | we need an open standard for web sounds first |
| 18:19.19 | SimAtWork | svg covers the graphics end just fine |
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| 18:21.51 | Shirakawasuna | sweet |
| 18:22.00 | Shirakawasuna | I didn't know svgs could render as well as flash stuff (animation) |
| 18:22.09 | Shirakawasuna | It'd be good to have a conversion tool, too |
| 18:22.31 | Shirakawasuna | and perhaps offer some kind of incentive to convert your stuff |
| 18:22.42 | Shirakawasuna | distributed viewing, etc |
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| 18:32.45 | frb-work | just use OGGVorbis for web sounds |
| 18:33.09 | pinotree | ogg is an audio/video container |
| 18:33.23 | frb-work | pinotree: thats why I qualified it with Vorbis |
| 18:33.28 | frb-work | which is the audio codec |
| 18:33.36 | pinotree | just an audio codec |
| 18:33.55 | pinotree | you can put whatever audio format and whatever video format you like inside an ogg container |
| 18:34.16 | frb-work | ok, did you not read the question ans answer? |
| 18:34.29 | frb-work | [11:19] <SimAtWork> we need an open standard for web sounds first |
| 18:34.35 | frb-work | [11:32] <frb-work> just use OGGVorbis for web sounds |
| 18:34.46 | frb-work | where is the ambiguity? why are you attacking what I said? |
| 18:34.55 | SimAtWork | frb-work: tell me. how do you make a sound be played when you click a button? |
| 18:35.03 | frb-work | SimAtWork: with flash :) |
| 18:35.19 | SimAtWork | hence the original problem. |
| 18:35.23 | SimAtWork | and statement. |
| 18:35.27 | frb-work | as of flash 8, flash uses mp3 for sounds though |
| 18:35.37 | frb-work | I'm betting flash9 hasn't changed that |
| 18:35.43 | SimAtWork | flash is crap |
| 18:36.04 | frb-work | flash is actually a rather good technology |
| 18:36.15 | Shirakawasuna | flash eats babies |
| 18:36.55 | frb-work | and ChuckNorris can kick your dad's ass, what's your point? |
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| 18:39.43 | SimAtWork | if it was good it'd be portd to 64bit processors at least. |
| 18:40.02 | frb-work | flash is a good technology, Adobe is full of fuckwits |
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| 18:48.07 | SimAtWork | it's in the wrong place |
| 18:48.15 | SimAtWork | what flash does should not require a plugin |
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| 18:48.58 | frb-work | welcome to the desert of the real |
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| 18:51.55 | Pinaraf | frb-work: flash is perhaps a good technology, but it doesn't matter because it's not used correctly. |
| 18:52.09 | frb-work | that can be said about any technology |
| 18:53.00 | Shirakawasuna | ultimate Showdown! |
| 18:53.19 | Shirakawasuna | flash is good stuff :) |
| 18:53.25 | Shirakawasuna | an open standard would still be better |
| 18:53.29 | frb-work | the Ultimage Showdown, youtube and google videos make Flash worthwhile |
| 18:53.31 | Pinaraf | frb-work: but especially true about flash, and dangerous |
| 18:53.36 | frb-work | Shirakawasuna: I won't disagree with you there |
| 18:53.50 | Pinaraf | dangerous for accessibility, for interoperability |
| 18:53.52 | Shirakawasuna | flash for OSS is bad |
| 18:53.57 | Pinaraf | websites are abusing of flash |
| 18:53.57 | frb-work | I will disagree with anyone that says "flash sucks" without knowing the full capabilities of the technology |
| 18:54.08 | frb-work | actually, FLash has a lot of accessibility features built in |
| 18:54.21 | Pinaraf | frb-work: I saw a website using flash to show one picture |
| 18:54.32 | Pinaraf | it was using the xmlHttpRequest-like flash object |
| 18:54.40 | Pinaraf | it did nothing interesting |
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| 18:54.48 | frb-work | yes, and I've seen websites that assume You have IE or NS4 |
| 18:54.52 | Pinaraf | the source code decompiled contained nothing |
| 18:54.59 | frb-work | and then their JS is broken, doesn't mean JavaScript is bad |
| 18:55.02 | Pinaraf | that's the same problem |
| 18:55.09 | Shirakawasuna | I wouldn't be surprised if people used an open flash standard incorrectly, too |
| 18:55.12 | Shirakawasuna | in fact I expect it |
| 18:55.16 | Shirakawasuna | I don't see why that's flash specific |
| 18:55.25 | frb-work | it's not, that's my point |
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| 18:55.35 | Shirakawasuna | I know, I'm agreeing with you :) |
| 18:55.36 | frb-work | before flash, it was animated gifs |
| 18:55.41 | Pinaraf | JS is quite broken because it was "standardised" too quickly |
| 18:55.46 | frb-work | people STILL abuse tables |
| 18:56.05 | Pinaraf | frb-work: they sometimes have no choice |
| 18:56.10 | Shirakawasuna | although I do think that flash's err... lifespan is nearing its end, hopefully |
| 18:56.11 | frb-work | there is always a choice |
| 18:56.18 | frb-work | Shirakawasuna: I hope not |
| 18:56.20 | Pinaraf | for instance if they have to be compatible with some old browsers |
| 18:56.22 | Pinaraf | like NS 4 |
| 18:56.26 | frb-work | Shirakawasuna: if flash dies, XAML will win |
| 18:56.32 | Pinaraf | I saw this browser less than one year ago |
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| 18:56.44 | Shirakawasuna | ewww |
| 18:56.45 | Pinaraf | on a quite modern computer, it's scaring |
| 18:56.46 | frb-work | sorry, if your browser is older than 6 years, you get the ugly text version |
| 18:57.35 | Pinaraf | but with flash, you won't get anything. |
| 18:57.41 | Pinaraf | it's nothing or everything |
| 18:57.45 | tania | need to install KINO |
| 18:57.45 | frb-work | that's where you're wrong |
| 18:57.55 | tania | who knows? |
| 18:58.04 | frb-work | with SWFObject and standard <object> fallback, you can easily have alternate content |
| 18:58.10 | Pinaraf | without the flash plugin, you don't get anything from a flash based website |
| 18:58.21 | Pinaraf | I know that |
| 18:58.28 | frb-work | just because designers don't take advantage of it, doesn't make it bad |
| 18:58.33 | Pinaraf | but you should look at the real world perhaps, nobody cares |
| 18:58.39 | frb-work | Image based sites have the same problem, doesn't make images evil |
| 18:58.40 | tania | how kino works better |
| 18:58.43 | SimAtWork | i care |
| 18:58.46 | frb-work | I AM IN THE REAL WORLD |
| 18:58.49 | frb-work | I am a web developer |
| 18:59.10 | frb-work | I use opera, safari, konqueror, firefox, IE, win2k, winxp, linux, OSX, I know what ht web has, and what it can do |
| 18:59.13 | tania | I have here Conectiva version |
| 18:59.20 | Pinaraf | flash should never be used for a website. |
| 18:59.20 | frb-work | just because people are stupid doesn't make the technology bad |
| 18:59.47 | Pinaraf | for extra stuffs, why not, but using it instead of XHTML/CSS is just wrong |
| 18:59.57 | Shirakawasuna | well |
| 18:59.59 | Shirakawasuna | depends on the website |
| 19:00.05 | frb-work | by your logic, QUanta should never be used for web development because it can't handle ASP |
| 19:00.06 | Shirakawasuna | if it's a media-only website I don't see why not |
| 19:00.14 | Pinaraf | and that's the way it's used and "put forward" (I need a better translation there) by a lot of people |
| 19:00.20 | Shirakawasuna | although it is often misused it still doesn't mean that flash is bad, Pinaraf |
| 19:00.33 | Shirakawasuna | it means whoever designed the site is dumb |
| 19:00.37 | frb-work | gasoline is bad because people drive SUVs |
| 19:00.38 | staroin | I have seen some preatty bad uses of flash on some car websites |
| 19:00.49 | Pinaraf | and where did I say flash is bad ? |
| 19:01.00 | tania | On linuxvideo.org forum they sugest to have RED HAT, but I have Conectiva, you know if I need to change it all to red hat? |
| 19:01.16 | tania | just to install kino ? |
| 19:01.39 | SimAtWork | heck no |
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| 19:03.58 | Shirakawasuna | Pinaraf: I don't see what else your argument could have been as we've conceded that people can use flash badly |
| 19:04.35 | Pinaraf | flash should never be used for a website, it's an extra content, not the content. |
| 19:05.18 | Shirakawasuna | ah. I disagree. I've seen plenty of media sites that use it just fine |
| 19:05.24 | Shirakawasuna | an artist, for instance |
| 19:06.18 | frb-work | if your site is useless in a non-graphical context, there is no real reason to not use flash for the majority of content |
| 19:06.20 | Pinaraf | define artist please... |
| 19:06.56 | Shirakawasuna | no :) |
| 19:07.00 | Shirakawasuna | you can figure out what artist means |
| 19:07.16 | Pinaraf | then flash has nothing to do with artist. |
| 19:10.02 | afm\colossus | basera3 5on5 now anyone?, server avail |
| 19:10.24 | hagabaka | what's an media-only website? a site featuring music or photos? |
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| 19:11.11 | Shirakawasuna | yep |
| 19:11.13 | Shirakawasuna | or paintings, etc |
| 19:11.28 | Shirakawasuna | perhaps the ordering forms shouldn't be flash, but everything else can be |
| 19:13.02 | hagabaka | even for those, it's perfectly possible to create a clean and user friendly navigation and presentation interface without using Flash. the only effect I've seen of Flash is to decrease user friendliness and accessibility |
| 19:13.30 | Shirakawasuna | psh |
| 19:13.36 | Shirakawasuna | because you're on linux |
| 19:13.45 | Shirakawasuna | it's perfectly user friendly |
| 19:13.52 | hagabaka | it's not just for Linux users |
| 19:13.55 | SimAtWork | it's not if you need the plugin |
| 19:14.01 | hagabaka | i can see Flash content just fine |
| 19:14.07 | Shirakawasuna | getting the plugin is incredibly easy |
| 19:14.38 | hagabaka | but why bother spending the effort to create fancy UI elements which will make the user spend effort learning how to use? |
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| 19:15.54 | Shirakawasuna | like what? |
| 19:15.58 | ucho | Hello |
| 19:15.59 | Shirakawasuna | like 'omg that button spins' |
| 19:16.50 | ucho | kchmviewer |
| 19:16.51 | ucho | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.33 | hagabaka | lots of them, buttons hidden behind other things, or blending into other things, text that I can't search, images I can't save |
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| 19:18.25 | Shirakawasuna | meh |
| 19:18.37 | Shirakawasuna | if the buttons are hidden behind anytying, again that's the site builder's fault |
| 19:18.38 | hagabaka | some of those are designers' fault, but others are limitations of Flash |
| 19:18.41 | Shirakawasuna | it's not flash itself's weakness |
| 19:19.12 | Shirakawasuna | the only weaknesses you described are that you can't search for text and can't save images - a little annoying, maybe, but not incredibly horrible for an artist website |
| 19:19.36 | Pinaraf | with your definition of artist perhaps |
| 19:19.51 | Shirakawasuna | usually they have a gallery based in flash, a bio, etc, and a non-flash ordering page |
| 19:20.02 | Shirakawasuna | maybe even a non-flash catalog |
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| 19:25.45 | Shirakawasuna | anyways, instead of artist let's say painter |
| 19:25.49 | Shirakawasuna | it works just fine for that |
| 19:25.57 | Pinaraf | from my point of view, no |
| 19:25.58 | Shirakawasuna | it works well for viral marketing |
| 19:26.08 | Shirakawasuna | Pinaraf: that's because you're wrong :) |
| 19:26.12 | Pinaraf | he has something else to do than trying to make a website |
| 19:26.24 | Shirakawasuna | makes perfect sense, Pinaraf |
| 19:26.30 | Shirakawasuna | he's an artist so he shouldn't spend time making a website |
| 19:27.15 | hagabaka | so he should spend time making a Flash website? |
| 19:27.40 | hagabaka | which is is much more time consuming to create and maintain |
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| 19:28.08 | Pinaraf | well, I'm lacking some vocabulary here.... especially for shade between words... |
| 19:28.55 | Shirakawasuna | meh |
| 19:28.59 | Shirakawasuna | it's more expensive, for one |
| 19:29.06 | Shirakawasuna | there's a reason not to use flash for a website |
| 19:29.21 | Pinaraf | it costs time AND money |
| 19:29.23 | Shirakawasuna | but after the cost, you can use flash quite artistically - it can be fun to create a flash website |
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| 19:30.07 | Shirakawasuna | anyways I've seen plenty of painters/graphical artists with great flash websites |
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| 19:31.09 | Shirakawasuna | flash is not the antichrist |
| 19:32.13 | hagabaka | it might have seemed to be that when it just came out, but it's now out dated :) |
| 19:32.38 | Shirakawasuna | anyways |
| 19:33.03 | Shirakawasuna | I wouldn't personally use flash for a website for the above-mentioned reasons. That doesn't mean it can't be used effectively, which was the entire argument :) |
| 19:33.17 | Shirakawasuna | you started talking about how it's harder to use, etc - irrelevant |
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| 19:42.39 | tech9iner | just been shared elsewhere that some claim bogofilters on kmail much faster than spamassassin ? any input pelase? |
| 19:43.40 | tech9iner | hello lo lo lo ?.. lmao |
| 19:43.59 | LiquidNerd | tech9iner: that sentence didn't make much sense |
| 19:44.19 | tech9iner | sup GraveDigger ;]] |
| 19:44.19 | LiquidNerd | oh! bogo filters |
| 19:44.22 | LiquidNerd | ahhh |
| 19:44.29 | LiquidNerd | I was reading bogofilters |
| 19:44.38 | tech9iner | ???? lmao |
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| 19:46.52 | tech9iner | oi.. lol.. |
| 19:47.00 | tech9iner | so just putdowns but no input eh.. lol |
| 19:50.20 | tech9iner | sorry.. 4got me place again Shirakawasuna ;]]]] |
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| 19:51.59 | santa99 | good evening |
| 19:52.01 | santa99 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.43 | Shirakawasuna | santa99: #ubuntu / #kubuntu |
| 19:52.52 | Shirakawasuna | santa99: you probably need to enable acpi button in the kernel |
| 19:53.12 | Shirakawasuna | or some other kubuntu conflict is doing something |
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| 19:54.03 | astro_- | Hi! Can I somehow make Konsole "url aware", ie be able to click urls in konsole so that they open in my browser? |
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| 19:56.00 | Theory | astro_-: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29712 |
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| 19:58.34 | astro_- | I'll take that as a no :) |
| 19:59.58 | bUscher | can it be that konqueror shows *.gif slower than they should be? or firefox faster than they should be? :/ |
| 20:00.18 | Shirakawasuna | probably loads in a different way |
| 20:00.28 | hagabaka | animated gif? |
| 20:00.31 | bUscher | yes |
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| 20:01.28 | bUscher | I know it is an odd gif, but if you want to try -> http://www.anonib.com/crazykimchi/images/28/1150247087786.gif |
| 20:01.39 | bUscher | it is about 2x faster in ff |
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| 20:02.26 | bUscher | hm... when I compare, looks like it is too slow in konqueror |
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| 20:02.51 | Shirakawasuna | yep, you're right |
| 20:03.13 | bUscher | should I report it as bug? or is it too weird? |
| 20:03.58 | Shirakawasuna | it may already be a bug |
| 20:04.04 | bUscher | oh =) |
| 20:04.12 | bUscher | I take a look |
| 20:04.13 | Shirakawasuna | search bugs.kde.org |
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| 20:07.22 | bUscher | cant find it, look like it is not reported or I am too stupid to search |
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| 20:10.11 | Shirakawasuna | feel free to submit a report |
| 20:10.20 | bUscher | I am on it =) |
| 20:10.31 | Shirakawasuna | it'll get marked as a repeat bug if it's already been noted - and then you'll find the other bug :) |
| 20:10.51 | Shirakawasuna | I'm sure it's an aim of konqueror to render as much as possible correctly |
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| 20:12.45 | Shirakawasuna | I suppose this is a bit off-topic, but does anyone in here have a favorite distributed computing kind of thing? |
| 20:13.04 | bUscher | and then you'll find the other bug? |
| 20:13.09 | Shirakawasuna | I was thinking of SETI@home, then realized that the search for extra-terrestrial life may not be the best thing it could be used for |
| 20:13.23 | PeterFA | Is there a way to make universal commands that tell amaroK to start/stop/etc when in other programs? |
| 20:13.25 | Shirakawasuna | bUscher: no, if your bug is a repeat it will get marked as one |
| 20:13.33 | bUscher | ah kk |
| 20:13.42 | Shirakawasuna | PeterFA: yep, windows key + others |
| 20:13.50 | Shirakawasuna | PeterFA: right click on the amarok systray icon |
| 20:14.03 | Shirakawasuna | windows + C pauses, etc |
| 20:14.11 | PeterFA | Whoa! |
| 20:14.16 | PeterFA | Nice. |
| 20:14.22 | Shirakawasuna | I know |
| 20:14.27 | PeterFA | Now, does it work in VTs? |
| 20:14.32 | Shirakawasuna | probably not |
| 20:14.37 | PeterFA | I thought so. |
| 20:14.45 | PeterFA | No real need to bother. |
| 20:14.53 | Shirakawasuna | you may be able to set it up to do that if you want |
| 20:14.56 | Shirakawasuna | not as eays, though |
| 20:15.08 | PeterFA | Yeah, not really worth it. |
| 20:15.35 | frb-work | just bind keys to dcop commands |
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| 20:16.06 | Shirakawasuna | or stay in nice and comfy kde-land :) |
| 20:16.16 | PeterFA | :) |
| 20:16.25 | frb-work | I persoanlly find that the only Good use for the console is to fix X |
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| 20:18.11 | Shirakawasuna | yup |
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| 20:19.42 | frb-work | if you don't got X, then your machine can be headless, and ssh can solve all your ills |
| 20:20.33 | bUscher | I found an opposite bug -> KHTML animates images too fast |
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| 20:33.48 | SimAtWork | anyone know of a way to find out what motherboard you have? |
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| 20:35.14 | Set | yes. it's pretty exiting |
| 20:35.25 | Set | you open up your computers case and look what's printed on your motherboard |
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| 20:41.59 | Shirakawasuna | lshw might be able to help a little |
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| 20:43.58 | superniemand | hi |
| 20:44.12 | superniemand | where are the entries for the kmenue stored? |
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| 20:45.14 | superniemand | does someone know? |
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| 20:45.37 | superniemand | I have a messed up kmenue with only one user, so I would like to delte the problematic files from his hime |
| 20:45.41 | superniemand | *home* |
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| 20:52.04 | thiago | superniemand: in ~/.kde/share/applnk and ~/.local/share/applications |
| 20:52.14 | superniemand | thiago, thx :-) |
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| 21:02.53 | nick01 | is there n alpha beta or something of KDE 4 available ? I read somewhere they started compiling modules |
| 21:03.23 | thiago | yes |
| 21:03.38 | thiago | there's a pre-alpha version that you can download from the Subversion servers |
| 21:03.41 | thiago | it doesn't compile |
| 21:03.47 | nick01 | :(( |
