| 00:00.08 | df00z | they said if it behaves different with different nvidia cards, then DEFINATLY they can look deeper into it |
| 00:00.12 | benJIman | it seems worse with some cards than others |
| 00:00.12 | df00z | otherwise, possibly not |
| 00:00.21 | df00z | Yeah, I'm gonna test my old GF4MX again |
| 00:00.30 | df00z | I think it was faster, but I didn't test it too long |
| 00:00.34 | benJIman | eg it's annoyingly bad on mine, but on 6600/6800 machines i've installed it's really slow like vnc |
| 00:00.42 | benJIman | (I have 5900xt) |
| 00:00.48 | oneforall | weird why is fish not working in konq now |
| 00:00.51 | oneforall | fish: WARNING: KLocale: trying to look up "" in catalog. Fix the program |
| 00:00.58 | oneforall | worked the other day |
| 00:01.05 | pinotree | that's a warning |
| 00:01.30 | oneforall | An error occurred while loading fish://192.168.1.2: |
| 00:01.42 | oneforall | this worked yesterday |
| 00:02.45 | SimAtWork | oneforall: that's happend to me when i upgraded to a diff version of kde without restarting my desktop |
| 00:02.49 | SimAtWork | oneforall: only time i've seen that though |
| 00:03.01 | oneforall | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.11 | benJIman | df00z: it's really noticable on all the machines we have at university, they all run kde, last year were rhel3 with 6629 drivers, was nice and fast, this year rhel4 with latest drivers and everything takes a while to paint |
| 00:03.13 | oneforall | konqueror |
| 00:03.25 | benJIman | kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing |
| 00:03.29 | oneforall | yeah I just restarted and I upgraded to 3.5.1 a while ago now |
| 00:03.35 | benJIman | kfmclient openURL www.google.com , or something |
| 00:03.46 | df00z | Yeah, but ignore 6629 |
| 00:03.48 | df00z | as it's wrong |
| 00:03.56 | df00z | Who cares if it's fast if it's wrong |
| 00:04.09 | df00z | Subpixel hinting is really only for LCDs |
| 00:04.45 | benJIman | it's all of the rendering that's slow, not just subpixel hinting |
| 00:05.03 | teatime | oneforall: or "konqueror --profile filemanagement" |
| 00:05.22 | oneforall | ok that did it |
| 00:05.46 | df00z | Only grayscale font AA is accelerated, they said, but it's still not very fast |
| 00:05.48 | oneforall | na no error for it in the term :( |
| 00:06.06 | df00z | I'm gonna throw my old card back in, brb |
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| 00:06.11 | oneforall | ASSERT: "!icon.isEmpty()" in konq_pixmapprovider.cc (79) |
| 00:06.11 | oneforall | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:10.04 | oneforall | hmm light was still on the friggin hub when I first typed it in . Now I look and its off O.o :) |
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| 00:13.00 | oneforall | err nope it connect to the other cp . popup for password . O.o |
| 00:13.31 | oneforall | ah maybe something hasn't been deleted in tmp |
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| 00:19.39 | thordon | Can anyone tell me why my fonts are tiny, is it an xserver thing? |
| 00:20.14 | benJIman | you can increase the font size, independantly of the x server dpi if you want |
| 00:20.54 | thordon | I tried to change it in kde config, but it didnt apply everywhere |
| 00:21.20 | thordon | for example, the text I am typing now is tiny, but it appears fine in the main window |
| 00:21.45 | benJIman | khtml assumes dpi is 96 |
| 00:21.52 | JordiGH | Yes, try apt-getting xfonts-dpi100 |
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| 00:22.19 | JordiGH | Er, apt-get install xfont-100dpi |
| 00:22.19 | benJIman | you'll have to force X dpi to 96/100 to get them looking the same in khtmlviews and input fields |
| 00:23.03 | JordiGH | aidan: Try apt-cache searching for spiders. Looks swish-e might be useful. |
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| 00:23.26 | swim | hey folks, im trying to use dekorator... so i installed it, then went under the themes tab and tried to install a dekorator theme i downloaded, but if I select the tar.gz file it says: The file is not a valid deKorator theme archive. |
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| 00:24.05 | thordon | benJIman: How do I force it in X? I didnt see a line for it in xorg.conf |
| 00:25.48 | oneforall | errr ping that ip and its working but restart kde and I still can't connect |
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| 00:26.20 | oneforall | fish:// to the other pc works . deleted stuff in /tmp |
| 00:26.32 | oneforall | what else can be screwing this up ? |
| 00:26.36 | benJIman | thordon: in the Xservers file |
| 00:27.04 | benJIman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.14 | oneforall | its like its keeping the first record from the first attempt. So when I close konq down its not being deleted or something like that |
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| 00:31.26 | sunrai | i really dont like the usb mass storage icon in kde..can i change it? :) |
| 00:31.39 | oneforall | ah dudh fish is for linux to linux pc right and smb for linux to win |
| 00:31.59 | JordiGH | Sure, sunrai. Just right-click on it and pick a different icon. |
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| 00:32.06 | oneforall | right click properties and go from there |
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| 00:32.15 | sunrai | cant using hald, kio-slave. |
| 00:32.31 | oneforall | hald whats that ? |
| 00:32.42 | sunrai | hal,dbus |
| 00:32.45 | sunrai | sorry |
| 00:32.54 | oneforall | ah ok |
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| 00:33.20 | oneforall | it won't let you change icons . man thats terrible |
| 00:33.42 | sunrai | its auto detected |
| 00:34.04 | sunrai | apparently when you plug in an ipod it detects that and gives you an ipod icon on your desktop. |
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| 00:34.21 | swim | hey folks, im trying to use dekorator... so i installed it, then went under the themes tab and tried to install a dekorator theme i downloaded, but if I select the tar.gz file it says: The file is not a valid deKorator theme archive. |
| 00:34.43 | sunrai | hey what theme/window/style is this ? -> http://kuickshow.sourceforge.net/ss/1-ks.0.8.png |
| 00:35.18 | sunrai | i think theres great themes out there that are much better than plastic. |
| 00:35.38 | sunrai | just dont know where to find them :( |
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| 00:36.58 | oneforall | well auto stuff sounds good but thats one reason there i don't use it . It allways takes over and makes it hard to over ride things and take control |
| 00:37.17 | sunrai | its the way |
| 00:37.26 | oneforall | not for me thanks lol |
| 00:38.27 | sunrai | because with removable devices, if they are not physically attached to your computer then theres no icon on your desktop. |
| 00:38.40 | oneforall | accually 3.5.1 with the auto detect is driving me nuts . like win was for inserting a cd. I found out fast how to totlly disable it :) |
| 00:38.54 | sunrai | soon as you plug it in, icon appears |
| 00:39.28 | oneforall | umm no I have a usb mass storage camra . I made a desktop icon for it . Plug in the camera and click the icon auto enough for me |
| 00:39.51 | oneforall | it does both ptp and mass |
| 00:40.10 | sunrai | k |
| 00:40.40 | sunrai | ptp with cameras and kioslaves is broken in kde anyhow. |
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| 00:41.02 | stoned | hi |
| 00:41.09 | oneforall | ah ptp I use gtkam works |
| 00:41.12 | stoned | I want to translate for kde |
| 00:41.24 | stoned | i know english and urdu/pakistani |
| 00:42.03 | oneforall | in fact I told them that this camera works with ptp and gave them the info they needed and they aded it to gphoto2 cvs so it will be listed next release |
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| 00:49.42 | oneforall | hmm weird kde must have their own smbfs module cause I did lsmod and don't see that loaded |
| 00:49.47 | oneforall | using smb:// |
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| 00:58.44 | YggdrasilOS | does ktorrent support DHT? |
| 00:59.41 | benJIman | what's DHT? |
| 01:00.11 | YggdrasilOS | Dynamic Hash Tables |
| 01:00.19 | YggdrasilOS | basically, allows for trackerless torrents |
| 01:00.37 | spiritz | not sure |
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| 01:00.46 | benJIman | ah it has support for UDP distributed trackers in 1.2 |
| 01:01.06 | jsharpe | what's a KDE equivolent of gdmsetup, so that i can setup auto-login???? |
| 01:01.26 | YggdrasilOS | azureus supports it, but it keeps bombing on my system for some reason |
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| 01:01.40 | YggdrasilOS | and i hate using such a bloated torrent client |
| 01:01.42 | benJIman | it connects to azureus and bitcomet etc clients with the udp trackers |
| 01:01.56 | YggdrasilOS | udp tracker != dht |
| 01:02.10 | YggdrasilOS | dht = trackerless |
| 01:03.56 | jsharpe | anyone...how do i enable auto-login? |
| 01:04.34 | benJIman | you can enable it there, or with your distro tools |
| 01:04.38 | benJIman | what distro are you using? |
| 01:05.33 | jsharpe | me? ubuntu beta5 |
| 01:05.47 | benJIman | probably best the kcontrol then |
| 01:06.49 | jsharpe | there's nothing in "login manager" about it though |
| 01:06.57 | jsharpe | oh, nevermind |
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| 01:09.00 | unix-user | hello |
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| 01:18.30 | Chodder | How can I change my k-menu icon? I changed my icon set but apparently it didn't have a k-menu icon, how can I switch it manually like my other panel icons? |
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| 01:19.49 | Lanulk_the_Uruk_ | kde-look.org |
| 01:19.55 | Lanulk_the_Uruk_ | themes wallpaper etc |
| 01:20.02 | sunrai | hey what theme/window/style is this ? -> http://kuickshow.sourceforge.net/ss/1-ks.0.8.png |
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| 01:20.40 | Lanulk_the_Uruk_ | http://www.kde-look.org/ |
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| 01:22.25 | Chodder | there is no way to just change that one icon, because it switched the icon from the default kde one to a distro default one |
| 01:22.27 | Chodder | ? |
| 01:23.27 | benJIman | you can replace that icon file in the icon directory or in the directory of the same name in ~/.kde I think |
| 01:24.44 | [Nige] | does anyone know how to get daul screens and different backgrounds for each monitor working in kubuntu / kde? |
| 01:24.55 | [Nige] | as in I want a different background per monitor |
| 01:25.39 | benJIman | upgrade to kde 3.5 |
| 01:25.43 | benJIman | it's a new feature |
| 01:25.55 | Chodder | ya use that new kubuntu |
| 01:26.04 | Chodder | dapper drake or whatever its called |
| 01:26.06 | benJIman | alternatively you'll have to stitch together two images in the older versions |
| 01:26.10 | [Nige] | is that to me benJIman ? |
| 01:26.14 | benJIman | yes |
| 01:26.14 | [Nige] | okay |
| 01:26.25 | [Nige] | so how do i find out my current kde version |
| 01:26.32 | benJIman | kde-config --version |
| 01:26.33 | Chodder | just upgrade to dapper |
| 01:26.45 | benJIman | or any help -> about kde |
| 01:26.46 | Chodder | they have instructions in the ubuntu forums on how to do it |
| 01:26.48 | [Nige] | yer but dapper isnt released yet |
| 01:26.53 | benJIman | you could just upgrade kde I think |
| 01:27.09 | [Nige] | okay, so kde is 3.4.3 |
| 01:27.10 | Chodder | dapper beta is pretty stable, i have it on a laptop |
| 01:27.22 | [Nige] | my next question is how do i upgrade kde to 3,5 or 4 :) |
| 01:27.32 | [Nige] | if i run a simple update |
| 01:27.32 | Chodder | 4 isnt out... |
| 01:27.42 | [Nige] | i dont think its isnt released in my repository yet |
| 01:27.47 | Chodder | go to #kubuntu... |
| 01:27.56 | Chodder | you need to change your repos |
| 01:28.25 | [Nige] | okay |
| 01:29.24 | pusling | hmm.. my kde freezes on boot - just while kicker is starting up. any clue how to debug it ? (monitor, keyboard, mouse freezes) |
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| 01:31.51 | benJIman | sounds like a driver issue |
| 01:31.59 | benJIman | pusling: have you enabled composite or anything like that? |
| 01:32.34 | pusling | I might have it enabled in my xorg.conf - but not in kcontrol |
| 01:33.22 | pusling | I have just done mv .kde kdefoo - and rebooting to test what happens |
| 01:33.59 | sunrai | hey what theme/window/style is this ? -> http://kuickshow.sourceforge.net/ss/1-ks.0.8.png |
| 01:34.00 | sunrai | :P |
| 01:34.50 | pusling | sunrai: who is the girl ? |
| 01:34.52 | pusling | ;) |
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| 01:34.56 | toxygen | hi |
| 01:35.04 | toxygen | i would need help with kate |
| 01:35.07 | toxygen | anyone alive? |
| 01:35.13 | benJIman | sunrai: looks like kde2x style and quartz decoration |
| 01:35.30 | teatime | sunrai: "quartz" |
| 01:35.48 | toxygen | i would like it to replace given word for non-line. delete it also with space which is left after normal replace |
| 01:36.20 | toxygen | delete whole line through find&replace. is it possible? |
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| 01:42.06 | Lanulk_the_Uruk_ | good night for all |
| 01:42.13 | Lanulk_the_Uruk_ | here is 2 of am |
| 01:43.15 | pusling | hmm... I have some setting in .kde that makes everything freeze. How do I track the setting down ? |
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| 01:56.18 | df00z | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124214 |
| 01:56.26 | df00z | I sent an email to a nvidia dev, who's gonna look into it |
| 01:56.35 | df00z | I now know that it's a kde bug and a nvidia bug :P |
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| 01:56.57 | df00z | because it even happens with the Vesa driver |
| 01:57.03 | df00z | although not as pronounced |
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| 02:06.00 | nillax | so...can someone help me with a little thing I got going on? |
| 02:06.06 | df00z | benJiman: I hope this goes somewhere :) |
| 02:06.22 | nillax | are there any rules in this channel about asking questions? |
| 02:06.42 | sunrules | be a rebel |
| 02:06.46 | sunrules | bust some rules |
| 02:06.47 | sunrules | ? |
| 02:06.56 | df00z | No questions allowed |
| 02:07.02 | nillax | beautiful...thanx |
| 02:07.03 | df00z | if you have questions get off the network ^_^ |
| 02:07.07 | df00z | Lol im joking |
| 02:07.08 | df00z | what is it? |
| 02:07.53 | nillax | well....just point me in the right direction to how i might get kaffeine to play .avi files |
| 02:08.19 | sunrules | install mplayer |
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| 02:08.41 | sunrules | mplayer xine-lib then compile kaffeine |
| 02:08.50 | nillax | i got some great albino porn! |
| 02:09.07 | nillax | beautiful |
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| 02:26.38 | tjh_ | Hi! How do I change the size of the icons in the panel in KDE without changing the size of the panel? |
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| 02:33.53 | Hairulfr | tjh_: control center > icons > panel |
| 02:34.01 | Hairulfr | (advanced |
| 02:35.08 | karuna_murti | Hairulfr : My panel choice is disabled, i was going to say that until i found it disabled |
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| 02:54.50 | swim | has anyone used dekorator, and installed a theme for it? I cant seem to do that |
| 02:55.33 | df00z | Harmish Rodda around? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124214 |
| 02:58.45 | karuna_murti | swim : i did |
| 02:59.20 | swim | karuna_murti: cool, see Im trying to install a theme this one actually: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31859 |
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| 02:59.40 | ShockValue | howdy all.. new linux user, had a question about cdripping in KDE if ya got a sec |
| 03:00.08 | ShockValue | i have k3b installed, but that looks more like a burner suite than a solid ripper... is there a good choice for ripping? |
| 03:00.21 | HuntsMan | ShockValue: KAudioCreator |
| 03:00.23 | swim | and when I go into dekorator Ive tried browsing to that file which is a tar.gz but dekorator says its the wrong file type... so I then extracted it into .kde/share/apps/deKorator/themes/ and it still doesnt find it |
| 03:00.33 | karuna_murti | swim: what version of dekorator u use? |
| 03:00.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ShockValue, if you're ripping audio, grimp (gnome app) comes *highly recommended* |
| 03:00.50 | ShockValue | HuntsMan: does that interface with cdparanoia, do you know by chance? |
| 03:00.56 | swim | karuna_murti: 0.3 |
| 03:01.06 | HuntsMan | ShockValue: mmm, i think yes, you should check :) |
| 03:01.16 | ShockValue | i was kind of trying to stay with kde/qt type apps |
| 03:01.19 | karuna_murti | well it seems the theme is for 0.1 |
| 03:01.55 | swim | oh... no wonder... karuna_murti can I update it myself somehow? |
| 03:02.04 | karuna_murti | the problem with dekorator theme in kde-look is sometimes thet don't mention for what version |
| 03:02.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ShockValue, then stay with KDE/Qt, but really, grip does the job better than anything else I've found |
| 03:02.07 | ScytheBlade1 | (my two cents) |
| 03:02.12 | karuna_murti | or bad packaging |
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| 03:03.22 | ShockValue | ehh ok.. kaudiocreator homepage hasn't paid their bills and are shutdown :) |
| 03:03.35 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:03.36 | karuna_murti | well, there is sample package included in dekorator, try renaming that nuvblend files following dekorator sample package |
| 03:03.47 | HuntsMan | ShockValue: it's part of kdemultimedia |
| 03:04.00 | swim | karuna_murti: really? i dont see anything in that themes folder |
| 03:04.41 | ShockValue | yeah, i'd like to check out the stats before i install it tho - |
| 03:04.50 | karuna_murti | there is sample theme in the dekorator source |
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| 03:09.49 | [Nige] | hello |
| 03:09.57 | [Nige] | how do i change the background text colour for icons |
| 03:10.06 | [Nige] | it is being most mysterious |
| 03:10.12 | [Nige] | i cant seem to find it anywhere |
| 03:12.10 | [Nige] | nevermind i foudn it |
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| 03:27.15 | SbCl3 | how do I extract a multipart rar archive (for example file.r01 file.r02 file.r03 file.r04) so that it produces a single large file with nothing overwriting anything else? |
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| 03:29.49 | Digital_Pioneer | Hi. When I hover over an icon on the taskbar, then a tooltip comes up. |
| 03:30.07 | Digital_Pioneer | But that tooltip is just a small square with text... What happened to my animation? |
| 03:30.11 | Digital_Pioneer | How do I turn it back on? |
| 03:30.57 | Digital_Pioneer | It used to play an animation where the tooltip had rounded corners and appeared from left to right in a series of growing circles fashion. What happened to it? |
| 03:32.17 | ShockValue | hmm, seems K3b is doing it ok.. not sure how to check if its using cdparanoia or not though |
| 03:32.44 | Digital_Pioneer | ShockValue: Are you talking to me? |
| 03:32.51 | ShockValue | no |
| 03:32.56 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, sorry. |
| 03:33.26 | Digital_Pioneer | Oh, and BTW, if it matters, I'm using Debian Sarge stable. |
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| 03:34.31 | Digital_Pioneer | Right........ |
| 03:34.32 | Digital_Pioneer | OK. |
| 03:34.54 | Digital_Pioneer | /leave "Don't everybody answer me at once!" |
| 03:35.04 | Digital_Pioneer | LOL |
| 03:35.31 | karuna_murti | Digital_Pioneer : 3.5.x is different from 3.4x |
| 03:35.53 | Digital_Pioneer | Hi, karuna_murti. |
| 03:35.59 | Digital_Pioneer | What's your point? |
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| 03:36.24 | Digital_Pioneer | Are you saying it can't be done? |
| 03:36.56 | smileaf | that animation was added in 3.5 |
| 03:37.05 | hagabaka | damn it |
| 03:37.07 | Digital_Pioneer | I think I have 3.5... |
| 03:37.34 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, I'll BBL... LOL |
| 03:37.38 | hagabaka | kmail refuses to exit when I kill it, and i can't start a new one |
| 03:37.47 | smileaf | Digital_Pioneer: not in 3.5 I take it ;) |
| 03:38.04 | swim | folks Im trying to compile some kde window decorations, and i keep gettiing what looks like a simillar error: http://pastebin.ca/46905 |
| 03:38.46 | swim | help? |
| 03:38.49 | smileaf | swim: try this: make clean && make |
| 03:38.56 | swim | ok |
| 03:39.09 | HuntsMan | swim: you're missing some development headers |
| 03:39.41 | Digital_Pioneer | smileaf: I think I am... |
| 03:39.47 | Digital_Pioneer | How do I find out? |
| 03:39.56 | smileaf | Digital_Pioneer: kcontrol |
| 03:40.13 | Digital_Pioneer | LOL... |
| 03:40.23 | Digital_Pioneer | I'm on 3.3.2... |
| 03:40.26 | swim | smileaf: yah same thing |
| 03:40.27 | karuna_murti | swim: kdecoration.h is in kdebase package, try installing kdebase lib devel or something |
| 03:40.31 | Digital_Pioneer | Or so says the control panel... |
| 03:40.33 | swim | HuntsMan: anyway to figure out what? |
| 03:40.36 | swim | ok |
| 03:40.43 | smileaf | swim: what distro you using? |
| 03:40.47 | swim | mandriva |
| 03:40.54 | smileaf | you have the -dev packages installed? |
| 03:41.13 | swim | i must have some because I have compiled other things before |
| 03:41.25 | Digital_Pioneer | smileaf: How do I install the new one? |
| 03:41.43 | smileaf | Digital_Pioneer: #debian-kde I think it is? |
| 03:42.02 | Digital_Pioneer | Looks like an invitation to leave. |
| 03:42.24 | smileaf | I don't have debian and don't know anything about it.. they'd be the best ones to ask |
| 03:42.46 | Digital_Pioneer | IC. |
| 03:42.46 | smileaf | if it were an invitation to leave I'd say #gtfo :D |
| 03:42.53 | smileaf | hehe |
| 03:43.05 | swim | ah that was it i installed kdebase dev and it worked thanks :) |
| 03:43.18 | HuntsMan | swim: :) |
| 03:43.40 | smileaf | evil binary distributions :) |
| 03:43.41 | Digital_Pioneer | What I don't get is how on earth I've seen that anim before on this system. |
| 03:44.42 | Digital_Pioneer | Oh well. |
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| 03:59.52 | jbennes | i'm on. may I ask a question |
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| 04:00.05 | A10n | hello |
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| 04:00.15 | A10n | can anyone help me out with kate |
| 04:00.22 | A10n | when i press enter, i want kate to go to the next line below but at the same column number |
| 04:00.28 | jbennes | hey what a gas |
| 04:00.29 | A10n | you know, when you are coding and don't want to keep on pressing tab/space to make things align, is this possible |
| 04:00.59 | jbennes | haven't the vaguest what your talking about |
| 04:01.10 | A10n | auto indent |
| 04:01.25 | jbennes | dont know what that is |
| 04:01.27 | A10n | like emacs, when you press enter to go down one line and autoindent for you to the same position |
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| 04:01.35 | A10n | don't you program? |
| 04:01.42 | jbennes | no |
| 04:01.49 | HuntsMan | A10n: see the preferences, has a section about indenting |
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| 04:02.23 | Syco54645 | when using k3b with the newest growisofs i now get :-( unable to pread64(2) primary volume descriptor: Input/output error you most likely want to use -Z option. |
| 04:02.29 | Syco54645 | anyone know a fix for that |
| 04:02.32 | jbennes | I have two messages in my inbox and i can't seem to gretrieve them |
| 04:03.03 | A10n | HuntsMan, yup i see it but no worka for me :/ but thanks |
| 04:03.35 | jbennes | alanwho are you talking to |
| 04:03.47 | HuntsMan | A10n: well i have "C Style" indenting and works like a charm |
| 04:04.04 | A10n | hmm, yup me too :/ maybe some other setting then i have checked on |
| 04:04.11 | jbennes | i'm off |
| 04:07.08 | A10n | HuntsMan, do you have "emacs style mixmode" checked off? |
| 04:07.37 | HuntsMan | i cant select it |
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| 04:07.53 | HuntsMan | so, it's off |
| 04:08.40 | A10n | i c' |
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| 04:10.54 | A10n | shgeesh |
| 04:10.57 | A10n | i figured it out |
| 04:11.05 | A10n | even thouth i was going to preferences and changing indent in there |
| 04:11.10 | A10n | it didn't do anything |
| 04:11.23 | A10n | but if i went to Tools->indentation and then clicked on C Style, now it works |
| 04:11.34 | A10n | what a bunch of @!(* |
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| 04:13.12 | patrick____ | hey, i was wondering if it were at all possible to make the KNewsTicker open pages in Firefox? |
| 04:13.44 | patrick____ | i'm using suse10.0 and the most current KDE |
| 04:16.08 | GNU_Style | gnu_style: |
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| 04:47.02 | oxez | I added a MIME-type in Konqueror, I named it: audio/guitar-pro. I added the files associations *.gp4, *.gp3, *.GP3, *.GP4, changed the icon that type of file. But, in konqueror (and on my desktop), those files still have the blank icon :/ |
| 04:47.47 | oxez | Those .gp3/.gp4 files open the correct application (guitar pro 4), it's only a problem with the icon, I tried .png/.xpm/.svg |
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| 04:54.16 | YggdrasilOS | can anyone recommend a good image mounting daemon? |
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| 04:55.53 | CHodapp | image mounting? |
| 04:56.08 | YggdrasilOS | like for mounting .bin/.cue images on loopback |
| 04:56.43 | xororand | YggdrasilOS: cdemu |
| 04:57.10 | karuna_murti | mount iso from kde-apps is good |
| 04:57.34 | karuna_murti | you'll need cdemu too |
| 04:57.36 | YggdrasilOS | i can mount iso images w/o trouble...it's bin/cue images that it complains about |
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| 04:58.33 | YggdrasilOS | i'm working on a way to shell-script converting from flac/cue cdda images to per-track flac files, with tags transferred intact |
| 04:58.48 | YggdrasilOS | tis a bit tricky |
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| 04:59.35 | YggdrasilOS | so far, the best way seems to be to use cuecue to convert to bin/cue, then mount the bin/cue image as a virtual audio cd, and rip with cdparanoia |
| 05:00.47 | stoned | hi, I run debian sarge. I have installed java and it works in firefox. I have also given konqueror the $PATH in Plugins but it still won't scan the java plugins. The mozilla-mplayer/flashplayer plugins are detected by konqueror. Also it won't pickup the adobe acrobat plugin either. |
| 05:01.02 | stoned | are they not supposed to work with konqueror? |
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| 05:08.13 | [Nige] | sorry to be a pain |
| 05:08.24 | [Nige] | I have a few questions with kde, i am used to gnome4 |
| 05:08.27 | [Nige] | gnome rather |
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| 05:09.31 | [Nige] | is it possible when your grouping icons to get it to behave so that when I click on a group list i can chose the one I want and activate it just by left clicking on it? |
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| 05:11.48 | [Nige] | ahh got it |
| 05:11.48 | [Nige] | :) |
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| 05:15.58 | YggdrasilOS | i'm running Kopete 0.11.1, does that version support AIM file transfer? |
| 05:16.52 | hagabaka | it doesn't work for me |
| 05:17.16 | hagabaka | any file it "downloads" ends up empty |
| 05:17.22 | YggdrasilOS | bah |
| 05:17.29 | YggdrasilOS | and i was hoping to avoid going back to GAIM |
| 05:19.33 | hagabaka | does it not work for you either? |
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| 05:20.28 | hagabaka | i never checked if it was a known bug...don't get files on AIM very often |
| 05:21.20 | ijwyn | you know what would be a neat feature for kmail? a feature that would strip all html code from a message... I have it set to display only plain text, so when there's html I get all the tags and it's a nightmare to read the stuff... |
| 05:21.58 | ijwyn | I don't get many mails like that -- at least not that I'd care to read, most of the time it's spam, but there are exceptions, and it'd be nice to be able to read those with just a click of the mouse to remove all the tags |
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| 05:33.46 | [Nige] | !themes |
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| 05:50.41 | [Nige] | does kde have an equilivant to gdesklets |
| 05:50.42 | [Nige] | > |
| 05:50.54 | mark_alec | superkaramba |
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| 06:04.32 | ShockValue | when i use audiocd:/ and browse the flac folder, it shows the files as "artist - tracknum - trackname.flac".. is there anyway to change it to include albumname as well? |
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| 06:14.05 | ShockValue | nevermind, missed the "audiocd" in control center :) |
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| 06:21.53 | anisX | greetings all :) |
| 06:22.01 | anisX | i still need someone help me about a kicker/panels |
| 06:22.11 | nige_ | is it a bug that the panel doesnt show applications from all screens? |
| 06:22.30 | ShockValue | no, its an option |
| 06:22.31 | anisX | no , im not sure whether its a bug or fedora is broken |
| 06:22.43 | anisX | i dont have any option for panels in kcontrol |
| 06:22.52 | anisX | i even cant move the panel or rezise the panel |
| 06:22.58 | nige_ | well i tell it show it from all screens and it doesnt :S |
| 06:23.05 | anisX | see this |
| 06:23.09 | ShockValue | oh, well that might be a problem then :) |
| 06:23.12 | anisX | http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot11xq.png |
| 06:23.21 | ShockValue | cant you right click the panel and choose "config panel" ? |
| 06:23.32 | anisX | i already add new user..and test it on new user..before this i have lost my kdegraphics and kdemultimedia.. |
| 06:23.38 | anisX | now i just having a problem with panels |
| 06:23.48 | anisX | from the screenshot , see my kicker..its horrible |
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| 06:23.58 | nige_ | i will take a snapshot and show you what I mean |
| 06:24.10 | anisX | ok nige_ |
| 06:24.25 | anisX | i wish i can re-install back my kicker |
| 06:24.51 | anisX | but i already yum groupremove kde and yum groupinstall kde , nothing good |
| 06:24.53 | anisX | still same |
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| 06:25.28 | anisX | nige_ : 2 helpers told me that is fedora's fault |
| 06:25.47 | nige_ | well i am not using fedora core though |
| 06:25.52 | nige_ | I am using kubuntu |
| 06:25.58 | anisX | aha |
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| 06:28.46 | ijwyn | anisX: looking at that screenshot, I don't see anything wrong with your panel? |
| 06:29.03 | anisX | ijwyn: ok now u see this :) wait |
| 06:30.04 | ijwyn | (except for the silly Best Western ad, that is, heheh) |
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| 06:30.36 | anisX | http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot22yq.png |
| 06:30.46 | anisX | see it |
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| 06:31.49 | ijwyn | er, no, I don't see any difference? |
| 06:32.24 | anisX | heh |
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| 06:32.57 | anisX | ijwyn: open your eyes..see on tha kcontrol , nothing on panels |
| 06:32.58 | ijwyn | what exactly is bothering you on there? |
| 06:33.03 | anisX | no options etc etc |
| 06:33.33 | nige_ | http://nige.gotdns.com/screenshot.png |
| 06:33.35 | nige_ | there you go |
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| 06:33.51 | nige_ | s you will see I have xchat open but its not in my application bar |
| 06:34.49 | ijwyn | I did notice that, but why does it matter, since your kicker is there anyway? and you should be able to edit it by just right-clicking on it, no? |
| 06:35.02 | ijwyn | heck, I don't even have a 'desktop' icon in my K Control, LOL, just looked |
| 06:35.34 | anisX | nige_: u don't get me |
| 06:35.38 | ijwyn | ah, I have 'panels' under LookNFeel on my system |
| 06:35.41 | a_thing | Anyone here use FC5? |
| 06:35.46 | ShockValue | does audiocd:/ use cdparanoia libraries, or something different? I'm interested in ripping accuracy on 'questionable' quality disks |
| 06:36.02 | nige_ | anisX, pardon? |
| 06:36.23 | nige_ | i am running kde on kubuntu box :) |
| 06:36.27 | ijwyn | gah, you made a huge screenshot nige! lol |
| 06:36.41 | nige_ | lol |
| 06:36.45 | nige_ | its just what I see when I work on my pc :P |
| 06:36.57 | ijwyn | it's taking a long time to load |
| 06:36.59 | nige_ | the curse of daul 17 |
| 06:37.00 | anisX | nige_: oh nothing nige_ , maybe you don't understand me , i don't see any point why u gave me the screenshot |
| 06:37.03 | nige_ | LCD |
| 06:37.07 | nige_ | :) |
| 06:37.23 | a_thing | nige_: holly crap that's a huge resolution |
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| 06:37.45 | nige_ | anisX its becasue it doesnt display what I have open correctly, monitor 1 is okay, monitor 2 isnt |
| 06:37.49 | nige_ | a_thing, sorry :) |
| 06:38.14 | anisX | nige_: so you also have a problem with kicker or what? |
| 06:38.14 | ijwyn | anisX: I think you misunderstood nige from the start, he never said he had the same problem as you, he was just describing his own issue which also happens to be panel-related |
| 06:38.23 | nige_ | no |
| 06:38.32 | nige_ | each background is for a different monitor |
| 06:38.45 | a_thing | Anyone here use FC5? |
| 06:38.54 | nige_ | like X chat is open on monitor 2, but isns displayed in the application bar |
| 06:39.00 | anisX | ijwyn: aha sorta |
| 06:39.15 | anisX | ijwyn: and i thought nige_ want to help me :D |
| 06:39.29 | nige_ | understand, lol sorry its just my own problem too :( |
| 06:39.32 | ijwyn | and I think he thought the same about you ;-) |
| 06:39.41 | nige_ | LOL |
| 06:39.52 | ijwyn | ah, the wonders of the internet, heheh |
| 06:40.05 | nige_ | oh yes |
| 06:40.32 | anisX | hmm |
| 06:40.40 | anisX | im going to edit kickercc manually |
| 06:41.02 | ijwyn | nige_: I suspect that, for some odd reason, your bar won't display more then four application tabs? |
| 06:41.09 | chavo | nige_, that isn't working here either |
| 06:41.21 | ijwyn | have you tried launching another app and see if that one appears too, or does it also stay off the bar? |
| 06:41.29 | a_thing | nige_: try unchecking the multiple desktop/screen stuff, hitting apply, then redo it |
| 06:41.31 | chavo | but i have a panel on each screen so doesn't affect me |
| 06:41.40 | chavo | doesn't do anything |
| 06:41.43 | nige_ | okay i will try that, |
| 06:42.15 | anisX | yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:42.24 | nige_ | you might be right about the 4 applications, any idea why that is |
| 06:42.32 | anisX | dcop kicker kicker restart , i just edit add "Size" and transparent=true |
| 06:42.58 | a_thing | nige_: also try making your taskbar bigger |
| 06:43.09 | nige_ | okay |
| 06:43.46 | nige_ | okay |
| 06:43.51 | nige_ | its now at 100% |
| 06:43.56 | nige_ | still seems to be the same problem |
| 06:43.57 | nige_ | :S |
| 06:43.58 | a_thing | IIRC there's a setting in KControl somewhere that controls what happens on taskbar overflow |
| 06:46.26 | ijwyn | nige_: nope, no idea why it would do that, mine just squeezes everything in... might be a default setting in your distro, I dunno |
| 06:46.41 | nige_ | hmm okay |
| 06:46.43 | nige_ | it just seems odd |
| 06:46.50 | ijwyn | yeah, I agree |
| 06:47.12 | anisX | i assume its not kde fault..maybe distro faults |
| 06:47.22 | ijwyn | although I figure there must be a way to change that setting, but I have no idea how |
| 06:47.27 | nige_ | okay |
| 06:47.56 | chavo | nige_, looks like a bug in the taskbar |
| 06:48.06 | ijwyn | might be that too |
| 06:48.13 | chavo | you can try adding another panel and putting it on the second screen |
| 06:48.24 | chavo | that's what I have here and it works great |
| 06:48.44 | nige_ | yer I was about to try that |
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| 06:50.13 | anisX | seems like i need to edit kickercc and put SizePercentage / Size / and change Transparent=true |
| 06:50.16 | anisX | manually |
| 06:52.30 | GNU_Style | my firefox does use a diff cursor, how to fix this? |
| 06:52.36 | joyr | how do I manually save session (KDE3.5.1) ? |
| 06:53.34 | chavo | joyr, I believe you can do it with dcop |
| 06:53.45 | nige_ | see now the second panel works fine with the 2nd monitor |
| 06:53.55 | chavo | dcop ksmserver ksmserver saveCurrentSession |
| 06:54.21 | joyr | chavo: thanks =) |
| 06:54.36 | chavo | you can laso do saveCurrentSessionAs |
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| 06:56.32 | ShockValue | anyway to add a "Send to:" command in Konq file manager mode? (like Send to /tmp or something, not email) |
| 06:56.55 | nige_ | althought is i place the application on both monitors it works fine, |
| 06:57.01 | nige_ | I wonder if its a xinerama bug |
| 06:57.36 | chavo | nige_, looks like a kde taskbar bug to me |
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| 06:58.30 | Shirakawasuna | hi. Does anyone know if it's possible to minimize/close to the system tray with kontact? |
| 06:58.36 | Shirakawasuna | I can't find any documentation for it |
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| 06:59.21 | nige_ | hmm okay |
| 06:59.31 | nige_ | i might go see if i can log it as a bug |
| 07:00.04 | chavo | Shirakawasuna, yes it's possible |
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| 07:00.15 | aaron_ | i tried compiling kdebase-startkde on gentoo |
| 07:00.22 | aaron_ | but it stops saying it can't find kde-config |
| 07:00.29 | aaron_ | i tried asking on #gentoo about this, but no one wants to help >_> |
| 07:00.36 | aaron_ | anyone know what i need to get this thing going? |
| 07:00.56 | chavo | Shirakawasuna, it's in the kmail configuration, hold on |
| 07:01.17 | mobtek | aaron_: follow the kde install guide in the gentoo docs |
| 07:01.36 | aaron_ | i'll try. i have to use links for now @_@ |
| 07:02.03 | Shirakawasuna | aaron_: just doing "emerge kde" is much easier and happier than emerging everything separately |
| 07:02.14 | Shirakawasuna | chavo: cool |
| 07:02.23 | aaron_ | that's the thing, i don't want all of that extra stuff |
| 07:02.30 | chavo | Shirakawasuna, go to kmail config, it's on the appearance tab |
| 07:02.45 | chavo | you can also make akregator show an icon in the tray |
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| 07:03.15 | Shirakawasuna | chavo: yes, but that's not a minimize/close to system tray option |
| 07:03.26 | Shirakawasuna | chavo: I still have to have the Kontact window in the task bar |
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| 07:03.33 | aaron_ | the kde install guide just tells me what i know already, to emerge kdebase-startkde |
| 07:03.42 | chavo | just hit the close button, it will stay running |
| 07:04.07 | Shirakawasuna | ah, it did |
| 07:04.13 | nige_ | its been bugged already :( have a look http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117835 |
| 07:04.16 | Shirakawasuna | last time it didn't, so I thought it was broken :) |
| 07:04.18 | Shirakawasuna | thanks chavo |
| 07:04.25 | chavo | np |
| 07:04.59 | chavo | nige_, yeah I seem to remember it working in gnome |
| 07:05.15 | islamguide_com | how come i got this weird bug that when i right click on the icon on konqueror, instead of bring up the right click menu, it goes back to the previous page |
| 07:06.39 | mobtek | aaron_: heheh yes do the split ebuilds because the monolithic ones will be gone before long |
| 07:07.10 | aaron_ | i just need to get kde-config going |
| 07:07.18 | aaron_ | i'm trying a recompile |
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| 07:08.33 | aaron_ | i just don't want 5 different image editors when all i use is gimp >_ |
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| 07:13.20 | nige_ | anyways cheers for the help |
| 07:13.21 | nige_ | cya |
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| 07:16.22 | Ze_M | aaron_: u can build them but u can choose to not install them |
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| 07:19.39 | aaron_ | what's the point in building something that i won't install? |
| 07:19.47 | ShockValue | hrm.. anyone know why copying files from audiocd:/ is so slow? (like, 3 hours to copy 300 megs) |
| 07:23.02 | aaron_ | well so far it seems to be doing alright... |
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| 07:23.23 | aaron_ | it's been 20 minutes and it hasn't quit yte |
| 07:23.31 | aaron_ | i think it quit after 15 minutes before |
| 07:23.43 | aaron_ | i added qt to the useflag this time |
| 07:24.26 | aaron_ | 5 minutes...when 2:30 comes i'm going to bed, have work tomorrow early >_< |
| 07:25.46 | aaron_ | gentoo makes me glad that i oc'd my system ^_^ |
| 07:25.59 | aaron_ | (b^_^)b |
| 07:26.40 | aaron_ | although it does make my amd put out more heat than congress <_< |
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| 07:28.49 | aaron_ | i think it's good now :) |
| 07:28.51 | aaron_ | exit |
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| 07:36.29 | GNU_Style | how to run superkaramba in KDE 3.5.1 they say its included in the release? |
| 07:36.39 | GNU_Style | just dont know how to start it |
| 07:36.47 | GNU_Style | guys? |
| 07:38.49 | mobtek | alt-F2 |
| 07:38.52 | mobtek | superkaramba |
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| 08:43.42 | solsTiCe | hi. is there a simple way (in kcontrol ?) to change my default browser? to opera for example . just to test ;-) i like konqueror |
| 08:45.51 | canllaith | solsTiCe: Kcontrol -> KDE Components -> Component chooser |
| 08:47.47 | solsTiCe | canllaith: :-D cool thnx |
| 08:48.00 | canllaith | yw |
| 08:48.51 | solsTiCe | oh nice so when i clikck a link in konversation it goes stragiht to opera ;-) |
| 08:49.38 | canllaith | be warned though - even if you do want to use konqueror as a webbrowser now if you type a url into the address bar it will launch opera and pass it to opera. |
| 08:49.42 | canllaith | Bit odd how that works |
| 08:50.15 | oneforall | KCD label isn't vry good. insert an image and you can't move or resize it . printed out way to big on my test page |
| 08:50.25 | oneforall | fonts you can't move them either |
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| 08:50.38 | oneforall | text I mean |
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| 08:50.55 | solsTiCe | canllaith: weird ! |
| 08:51.50 | solsTiCe | canllaith: no it works as expected |
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| 08:52.20 | canllaith | that must have been changed recently |
| 08:52.31 | canllaith | in either 3.3 or 3.4 (can't quite remember) the behaviour was as I described |
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| 08:57.46 | brucehoult | canllaith: fancy seeing you in here :-) |
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| 08:58.35 | canllaith | :P I own this joint, hombre ;) |
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| 09:02.34 | oneforall | I own nothing . the government owns everything. If they want it they tske it cause they own it |
| 09:02.47 | oneforall | tske/take |
| 09:03.07 | oneforall | :) |
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| 09:03.48 | _miklos | hi |
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| 09:05.06 | oneforall | KCD labels isn't very good . |
| 09:05.39 | oneforall | oo is way to big just to get a label app:) |
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| 09:51.02 | ganymed | hallo |
| 09:54.32 | ganymed | i mam using kubuntu with kde 3.5.1. i need some help with kvpnc... i can connect with vpnc to a cisco network, but i cannot do so with kvpnc. it says i should enter my passwd, but i do not get a prompt. the passwd is entered in the conf. after some time the client aborts. any ideas? |
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| 09:56.05 | [Bart] | ganymed : You need to check with the kvnpc mailinglist or so. |
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| 10:04.52 | zi99y | yo |
| 10:05.19 | zi99y | anyone have a clue how I can change the window behaviour when I use the scroll wheel on a background window? |
| 10:05.31 | benJIman | zi99y: in what way? |
| 10:05.32 | zi99y | I want it not to steal focus, like the way gnome does it |
| 10:06.12 | benJIman | don't think you can do that |
| 10:06.18 | zi99y | so I can be working on the top-level window, and use the scroll wheel on a window behind, but maintain focus on the top window |
| 10:06.37 | benJIman | it doesn't bring it to front, only focuses it |
| 10:06.43 | zi99y | yeah thats right |
| 10:07.06 | benJIman | you're effectively clicking in the window, and policy is click to focus |
| 10:07.09 | zi99y | but I got used to the gnome way, so I don't have to click or scroll on the top window again to resume typeing |
| 10:07.20 | ganymed_ | is there any relation between kwallet and kvpnc |
| 10:07.21 | ganymed_ | ? |
| 10:07.32 | zi99y | hmm, no but it's different from a click because it doesn't move to the front |
| 10:08.16 | zi99y | ganymed_: are you trying to store passwords for kvpnc? |
| 10:08.25 | benJIman | right click does't bring to front either |
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| 10:08.47 | zi99y | benJIman: oh yeah, I'd not noticed that |
| 10:09.03 | benJIman | zi99y: you could always use focus follows mouse |
| 10:10.58 | benJIman | but other than that don't think you can do anything about it |
| 10:10.58 | zi99y | yeah I've tried that and I'm not too keen |
| 10:10.58 | zi99y | but thanks, I really appreciate your input |
| 10:10.59 | zi99y | I'm a recent kde convert! |
| 10:11.00 | ganymed_ | zi00y: kvpnc asks me for a passwd though i have entered in in the conf dialogue. vpnc works. so i thought it might be a problem with the kde password management... |
| 10:11.00 | benJIman | personally I like kde's way, I often for example start scrolling a backgroun web page and then decide I want to use findasyou type or something |
| 10:11.16 | benJIman | ganymed_: I don't think kvpnc uses the wallet |
| 10:11.39 | zi99y | ganymed_: sorry I don't use kvpnc so I'm not sure# |
| 10:12.01 | zi99y | benJIman: I'm sure I'll get used to it |
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| 10:13.22 | |lostbyte| | WHere is the kde config file. for kdm ? |
| 10:13.31 | benJIman | depends on your distro |
| 10:13.33 | |lostbyte| | i wanted to add -nolisten tcp to it. |
| 10:13.37 | |lostbyte| | i am using mandriva. |
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| 10:13.46 | benJIman | on suse it's /etc/opt/kde3/share/config/kdm/kdmrc |
| 10:13.58 | benJIman | |lostbyte|: might be the Xservers file you need to change for that |
| 10:14.03 | |lostbyte| | so i searched alot.. |
| 10:14.04 | zi99y | on kubuntu it's /etc/kde3/kdm/... |
| 10:14.06 | benJIman | and presumably -nolisten tcp will be the default |
| 10:14.13 | |lostbyte| | /etc/opt/kde3/share/config/kdm/kdmrc : not found. |
| 10:14.32 | benJIman | on mandriva i'd guess /etc/share/config/kdm/kdmrc |
| 10:14.36 | |lostbyte| | /etc/kde3/kdm/ : not found. |
| 10:14.58 | qupada | slocate/rlocate is your friend |
| 10:15.01 | zi99y | can you do locate |
| 10:15.03 | |lostbyte| | /etc/share/config/kdm/kdmrc : not found. |
| 10:15.14 | ganymed_ | os why is it asking me for a password in the debugging console? |
| 10:15.18 | |lostbyte| | found : /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc |
| 10:15.23 | |lostbyte| | but the file has no exec ? |
| 10:15.40 | zi99y | qupada: whats the diff between locate and slocate ? |
| 10:15.41 | benJIman | no exec? |
| 10:15.43 | |lostbyte| | so where do i add this -nolisten tcp ? |
| 10:15.58 | benJIman | |lostbyte|: it will allmost certainly be there by default, unless your distro is really bad |
| 10:16.19 | |lostbyte| | benJIman: I searched and found something like Session=/usr/share/config/kdm/Xsession |
| 10:16.26 | |lostbyte| | should i go there ? |
| 10:16.37 | benJIman | |lostbyte|: search for ServerArgsLocal in that file to edit the arguments |
| 10:16.39 | qupada | zi99y: rlocate uses a kernel module and some fancy stuff to do real-time updates |
| 10:16.44 | benJIman | as I said nolisten tcp will be there almost certainly |
| 10:17.10 | |lostbyte| | benJIman: which file ? /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc |
| 10:17.26 | qupada | zi99y: which means two things, your hard drive doesn't get chewed for 20 minutes once a day to update the database, and files you create are listed immediately |
| 10:17.27 | zi99y | qupada: I don't seem to have rlocate in my bash shell, |
| 10:17.30 | |lostbyte| | benJIman: Ant ! by default i see port 6000 open. |
| 10:17.45 | benJIman | |lostbyte|: isn't there a firewall on by default? |
| 10:17.54 | |lostbyte| | benJIman: nope ! |
| 10:18.10 | |lostbyte| | benJIman: hee :) |
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| 10:18.34 | |lostbyte| | benJIman: you want me to find ServerArgsLocal in /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc ? |
| 10:18.43 | benJIman | yes |
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| 10:18.54 | |lostbyte| | benJIman: ok ! i see ServerArgsLocal=-deferglyphs 16 |
| 10:18.56 | benJIman | |lostbyte|: on suse there's also an Xservers file in the same directory you might need to edit |
| 10:19.07 | benJIman | |lostbyte|: add -nolisten tcp to that then |
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| 10:19.32 | |lostbyte| | benJIman: ok ! so thats it. |
| 10:19.46 | benJIman | |lostbyte|: check for the Xservers file too |
| 10:19.53 | |lostbyte| | benJIman: i see it ! |
| 10:20.01 | |lostbyte| | benJIman: What should u do there ? |
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| 10:20.03 | benJIman | do the same in there then |
| 10:21.09 | |lostbyte| | benJIman: more /etc/kde/kdm/Xsession | grep ServerArgsLocal returns nothing :( |
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| 10:21.25 | benJIman | |lostbyte|: no, it has the whole command, open the file |
| 10:21.34 | benJIman | |lostbyte|: X servers, not Xsession |
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| 10:22.15 | benJIman | lcars:/etc/opt/kde3/share/config/kdm # grep nolisten ./Xservers \\\ :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp -br vt7 |
| 10:22.30 | |lostbyte| | benJIman: No Xserver,xserver or x server in there. |
| 10:22.42 | benJIman | probably ok then, try it and see |
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| 10:22.56 | |lostbyte| | benJIman: Thanks ! will try.. |
| 10:22.58 | |lostbyte| | brb |
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| 10:33.40 | elvstone | hi. |
| 10:34.17 | elvstone | will i be able to get java support in konqueror on an amd64 system? i'm waiting for my new computer to arrive. |
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| 10:40.06 | elvstone | i know that the JRE 1.5 for amd64 from Sun does not install a mozilla plugin, is that the same plugin that konqueror would use? |
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| 10:42.49 | elvstone | ah just found http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-90919.html - "HOWTO: Sun Java 1.5 and Flash in 64-bit Konqueror browser! (No chroot required)".. nevermind. |
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| 10:46.31 | nacer | hi |
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| 10:52.14 | ganymed_ | does anybody know why kvpnc asks for a user password on the debug console, though the password is entered in the conf dialogue? |
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| 10:53.28 | xroberx | hi |
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| 10:56.27 | emc3 | how can I view running processes in kde ? (sth like process manager in windows) |
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| 10:57.28 | xanax` | emc3 : try pressing Ctrl+Esc |
| 10:57.49 | ganymed_ | does nobody know anything about kvpnc? |
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| 11:06.48 | fek | moin |
| 11:07.49 | xroberx | fek: moin |
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| 11:09.47 | nacer | hi |
| 11:10.11 | nacer | for write QT application its best to learn or c++ ? |
| 11:10.17 | nacer | c or c++ |
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| 11:11.02 | xroberx | nacer: QT is coded in C++ |
| 11:11.09 | PhilRod | nacer: or you can use PyQt or the ruby bindings |
| 11:11.19 | PhilRod | I think the ruby bindings are called korundum |
| 11:11.38 | xroberx | yup, PyQt + QTdesigner makes QT programming very easy |
| 11:11.57 | nacer | most of QT application use what language ? |
| 11:11.58 | A10n | i hear python is very popular these days |
| 11:12.13 | A10n | gooogle uses python internally |
| 11:12.19 | nacer | lol :) |
| 11:12.26 | xroberx | and the NASA |
| 11:12.44 | nacer | bruce willis use python too |
| 11:12.48 | xroberx | hehehe |
| 11:12.52 | nacer | python is goo eat python :) |
| 11:12.52 | xroberx | sure |
| 11:13.02 | nacer | soo |
| 11:13.04 | A10n | so isn't python like perl and php |
| 11:13.10 | A10n | its compiled when its run |
| 11:13.14 | xroberx | python like perl ? lol |
| 11:13.28 | nacer | isn't |
| 11:13.34 | A10n | well not syntax wise |
| 11:13.40 | xroberx | well, you are lucky language wars are not allowed in here :P |
| 11:13.41 | A10n | i mean its an interpreted language |
| 11:13.53 | A10n | i honestly can't stand perl syntax |
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| 11:14.03 | nacer | hum wait |
| 11:14.24 | A10n | I keep on having ppl in interviews ask me if i ever used perl |
| 11:14.25 | nacer | what most QT application use ? |
| 11:14.26 | A10n | errr |
| 11:14.29 | A10n | i mean if i ever used python |
| 11:14.43 | A10n | nacer, i guess c++,c, or python |
| 11:14.49 | nacer | ok |
| 11:15.16 | nacer | they is a good website for QT developer share information ? |
| 11:15.26 | A10n | i don't know one |
| 11:15.37 | A10n | the manual for QT is very good last time i used it |
| 11:15.43 | mobtek | qt forum |
| 11:15.57 | mobtek | http://www.qtforum.org/ |
| 11:16.02 | nacer | before learn QT i need to learn c++ or python |
| 11:16.11 | xroberx | http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/index.html |
| 11:16.11 | A10n | that would help |
| 11:16.21 | nacer | tks mobtek |
| 11:16.35 | xroberx | nacer: c++ has a high learning curve |
| 11:16.57 | nacer | curve ?? |
| 11:17.04 | nacer | i dont understand the word |
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| 11:17.26 | xroberx | nacer: where are you from ? |
| 11:17.30 | nacer | france |
| 11:17.30 | markey | nacer: you can use Ruby. KDE has excellent Ruby bindings |
| 11:17.31 | A10n | it means its hard to learn |
| 11:17.36 | markey | they're called Korundum |
| 11:17.37 | nacer | ok |
| 11:17.44 | nacer | A10n: ok |
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| 11:17.44 | A10n | nacer, shouldn't you be out rioting? |
| 11:17.50 | xroberx | nacer: http://www.wordreference.com/enfr/curve |
| 11:17.53 | nacer | python is best for learn quickly ? |
| 11:17.55 | xanax` | nacer : there's #kde-fr if you want :) |
| 11:17.58 | _StarScream | markey: java bindings ? |
| 11:18.05 | markey | Ruby |
| 11:18.07 | cenuij | they are rioting in #kde-fr? |
| 11:18.07 | nacer | xanax`: ok :) |
| 11:18.22 | _StarScream | markey: nah i was asking if they existed :) |
| 11:18.28 | xroberx | nacer: it seems curve in french is courbe |
| 11:18.35 | markey | I don't know |
| 11:19.31 | nacer | xroberx: traduction is false |
| 11:19.36 | markey | ruby is of course easy to learn and perfect for kde, cause it's fully object oriented |
| 11:19.38 | nacer | its not male ant sense :) |
| 11:20.09 | nacer | any sense |
| 11:20.15 | xroberx | use whatever lang you feel comfortable with |
| 11:20.27 | xroberx | but python is easier for beginners than ruby |
| 11:20.28 | nacer | i think python will ne fine |
| 11:20.33 | nacer | be |
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| 11:21.12 | markey | bad choice |
| 11:21.27 | nacer | lol |
| 11:21.44 | xroberx | grrrr |
| 11:21.54 | nacer | fight |
| 11:21.56 | xroberx | :) |
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| 11:23.41 | karsten | Two words: emacs keybindings. Possible? |
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| 11:25.07 | xroberx | well, it seems with the emacs operating system everyting is possible :P |
| 11:25.21 | PhilRod | karsten: three words. Be more specific |
| 11:25.29 | xroberx | lol |
| 11:26.29 | karsten | PhilRod: Sure: I'd like emacs keybindings in KDE apps, most specifically konqueror. C-a, C-e, C-, and C-n would be the biggies: start and end of line, nex t and prior lines. |
| 11:26.32 | karsten | Kill would alsob be good (C-k). |
| 11:26.35 | PhilRod | You can have emacs-style shortcuts for actions (eg, you could set C-x C-c to quit application) but AFAIK you can't have emacs-style keybindings in text edit boxes (ie, C-a for beginning of line, etc) |
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| 11:27.11 | karsten | PhilRod: Google and KDE FAQ don't show much. Some work back in 2001 for a key management app of some sort. |
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| 11:34.53 | mobtek | nacer: there is also qtnode.net |
| 11:35.51 | A10n | nacer, ... |
| 11:36.02 | A10n | nacer, just start using it and you wil learn as you go |
| 11:36.14 | A10n | nacer, can't learn it unless you get down and dirty with it |
| 11:36.23 | A10n | so get it installed |
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| 11:36.28 | A10n | follow some of the tutorials |
| 11:37.35 | Julianyus | hi |
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| 11:39.27 | trumpet | hello, is there keyboard shortcut to show menu? |
| 11:39.52 | PhilRod | Alt+F1 |
| 11:39.53 | benJIman | alt-f1 by default |
| 11:39.54 | trumpet | ...my mouse died ;) |
| 11:39.57 | karsten | PhilRod: Specific enough for you? |
| 11:40.08 | trumpet | thanks |
| 11:40.13 | PhilRod | karsten: yes. As I said, I don't know of a way to do it |
| 11:40.22 | karsten | PhilRod: OK, thanks. |
| 11:40.49 | karsten | PhilRod: Sorry, really laggy connection here, I missed that. |
| 11:41.33 | PhilRod | oh wait, control center -> regioanl & accessibility -> keyoard shortcuts -> application shortcuts |
| 11:41.42 | PhilRod | looks like you can change some of those there |
| 11:42.26 | karsten | Danke. |
| 11:43.00 | karsten | PhilRod: Evaluating KDE after a long-ass time on WMaker. I've got most of my keybindings in already. |
| 11:43.14 | MEGA-OP | TRIP EM UP |
| 11:44.55 | PhilRod | karsten: have a go, tell me how you get on. I'd be tempted to have emacs keybindings in my KDE apps, just so I'm using one set of bindings everywhere |
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| 11:46.09 | MEGA-COP | CONFESS |
| 11:46.27 | PhilRod | MEGA-COP: are you planning on trolling or otherwise making a nuisance of yourself? I have to go out, and so if you are, please tell me now, and we can get the banning out of the way |
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| 11:47.10 | MEGA-COP | JUST DO YOUR JOB |
| 11:47.17 | PhilRod | I'll take that as a 'yes' |
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| 11:47.30 | MEGA-COP | IMBECIL |
| 11:47.34 | thordon | Can anyone recommend a general purpose media player, dvd/video/music etc? |
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| 11:47.40 | benJIman | thordon: kaffeine |
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| 11:47.43 | karsten | PhilRod: WTF is "XF86Refresh", application shortcuts, reload. |
| 11:47.49 | karsten | thordon: xmms. |
| 11:48.03 | karsten | thordon: ... erm. xine for video. |
| 11:48.19 | karsten | benJIman: I thought kaffeine was a Java thing. |
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| 11:48.37 | benJIman | thordon: amarok / juk are better for music though, no kaffeine is a media player for kde which can use xine as backend |
| 11:49.06 | thordon | do I have to install xine for kaffeine to work? |
| 11:49.20 | benJIman | kaffeine will have libxine as a dependency |
| 11:49.29 | xroberx | does anyone know if the problem of residual artifacts on top of windows when you play some video is a problem of X or QT ? |
| 11:49.39 | xroberx | maybe it's the Xvideo extension ? |
| 11:49.46 | benJIman | probably your X graphics driver xroberx |
| 11:50.02 | xroberx | mmm, i see |
| 11:50.11 | xroberx | i should upgrade to X11R7 then |
| 11:50.42 | karsten | PhilOut: ... and there is an existing "Unix" scheme. |
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| 11:52.58 | xroberx | kaffeine crashed badly on my box |
| 11:53.15 | xroberx | kmplayer seems to be much more stable |
| 11:53.35 | xroberx | and it can use xine to play dvds too |
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| 12:12.55 | adamt | so, where can normal people find the 3.5.2 tarballs? |
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| 12:14.12 | PhilOut | nowhere, cos it's not out yet |
| 12:16.11 | adamt | PhilOut: i know it's only released to packagers. |
| 12:16.30 | adamt | which suck, i want them too. |
| 12:17.16 | nacer | lol |
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| 12:19.40 | oneforall | yeah I make my packages |
| 12:19.42 | oneforall | :) |
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| 12:21.03 | adamt | oneforall: yeah, i'm gonna start my own distro, fake of course,, just to get the tarballs before others :) |
| 12:21.25 | karsten | Hrm... any way to configure the text editor within gKonqueror? |
| 12:21.25 | karsten | /win 4 |
| 12:21.42 | oneforall | g? |
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| 13:12.41 | fredE | anyone else have the problem where Konqueror will reject cookies from site if the default policy is set to "reject", yet the site policy for the particular domain is set to "accept"? then setting default to "ask" will accept cookies from that domain? |
| 13:13.21 | fredE | which of course makes no sense whatsoever |
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| 14:34.18 | pshaggy | what do you guys use to send video to an ipod? Amarok/gtkpod don't seem to like .avi .... |
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| 14:37.34 | dirk_ | Iam search fro a video chat application for Linux to chat per video to windows and Mac users |
| 14:39.10 | _bogoMIPS_ | skype for voice |
| 14:39.14 | benJIman | or jabber |
| 14:39.45 | _bogoMIPS_ | well heck |
| 14:39.59 | _bogoMIPS_ | guuess he was in a hurry |
| 14:40.41 | _bogoMIPS_ | i didnt know jabber had voice |
| 14:40.59 | _bogoMIPS_ | does it? |
| 14:41.07 | benJIman | with jingle google talk thing |
| 14:41.12 | benJIman | kopete supports it in 0.12 |
| 14:41.19 | _bogoMIPS_ | ok |
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| 15:22.30 | Alfons | Hello |
| 15:23.02 | Alfons | sb knows the reason for this error message: KCrash: Application 'akregator' crashing... |
| 15:23.03 | Alfons | *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x08348b20 *** |
| 15:23.03 | Alfons | Unable to start Dr. Konqi |
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| 15:23.52 | Alfons | root can start programm, user see the message |
| 15:25.06 | PhilOut | sounds like it could be a bad config. Try renaming ~/.kde/share/config/akregatorrc to akregatorrc.bak, restart KDE and try again |
| 15:26.43 | Alfons | there is no alregatorrc |
| 15:26.50 | Alfons | akregatorrcc |
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| 15:27.35 | PhilOut | do you have any files in ~/.kde named "akregator*"? (ie, does "find ~/.kde -name 'akregator*'" produce any output?) |
| 15:27.48 | Alfons | but it was a problem with /home/pil/.kde/share/apps/akregator |
| 15:28.03 | Alfons | i renamed and afterwards akregator is running |
| 15:29.10 | Alfons | PhilOut i try to find wich file was corrupt |
| 15:29.27 | PhilOut | good idea |
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| 15:39.25 | cromo | is there any tool that would export kde color scheme into wine color scheme? |
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| 15:41.29 | qwek | afternoon, i have a screen session on another server with irssi (irc client). This does a terminal beep on events but it looks like Konsole doesnt receive (or responds to) them. Any suggestions? |
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| 15:44.02 | thiago | qwek: screen usually turns audible bell off |
| 15:44.19 | thiago | make sure you've turned the bell back on |
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| 15:48.28 | qwek | thiago: i turned off vbell.. also putty always reacts to bell events |
| 15:49.28 | qwek | can i manual can do a bell in a shell |
| 15:49.44 | thiago | konsole also has a setting to turn bells on, off, visually or audible |
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| 15:50.54 | qwek | ooh |
| 15:51.05 | qwek | that was it :) |
| 15:51.06 | qwek | tnx |
| 15:51.15 | qwek | stupid that i never saw that |
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| 15:56.33 | cromo | it would be nice if there was another "visual bell" option that would for example just change tab's color |
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| 16:03.04 | qwek | is it possible to have the sort menu in the context menu in konq |
| 16:03.31 | thiago | qwek: yes, but you have to hack the source code to do that. |
| 16:03.33 | cromo | is it possible to set konsole to not notify about the visual bell event in case the konsole window in which the event happend is currently active? |
| 16:05.12 | qwek | cromo: there are different notifications for active and not active tabs.. or do you mean focus |
| 16:05.26 | qwek | thiago: ok tnx, ill see what if i can find a patch |
| 16:05.29 | cromo | actually I meant focus |
| 16:05.47 | cromo | i.e. I am using yakuake that uses konsole |
| 16:06.02 | cromo | so it doesn't use konsole itself, but kio afik |
| 16:06.15 | cromo | thus, it doesn't use konsole tab's, but its own |
| 16:07.01 | Sho_ | (Yakuake uses the konsole kpart and currently does not attempt to leverage bell data for its tab bar) |
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| 16:09.22 | cromo | my main concern is that I'd like to see an option to not notify in case the bell occured in the window that is currently focused |
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| 16:11.02 | Sho_ | cromo: That will be the default behaviour if I ever do implement bell support in the tab bar |
| 16:11.04 | cromo | i.e. I am using irssi as my irc client, it bells each time someone use my nickname and is very usuable when my irssi konsole is out of the focus, but when it is focused, it's just too annoing |
| 16:11.15 | cromo | right |
| 16:13.46 | maro | is there a utility to read iso images? |
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| 16:17.21 | benJIman | maro: you can mount them |
| 16:17.29 | benJIman | maro: mount -o loop ./file.iso /mnt |
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| 16:25.11 | sam^ | hi, do you know a tool which is useful for basic vector calculation and visualization? |
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| 16:26.13 | ExitMenu | ok I sure this is a dumb question but does kde have an equivlent to rundll32.exe ? |
| 16:26.33 | HamishTPB | sam^: that is a bit over my head but I can point you to a list of sci-tech apps for my distro |
| 16:26.44 | HamishTPB | sam^: might give a clue? |
| 16:26.52 | sam^ | HamishTPB: which distribution do you use? |
| 16:26.57 | HamishTPB | sam^: Gentoo |
| 16:27.07 | sam^ | okay, that may help me a bit |
| 16:27.20 | HamishTPB | sam^: gimme a sec and I will get a link to a filtered list |
| 16:27.26 | sam^ | ok |
| 16:27.53 | HamishTPB | sam^: http://packages.gentoo.org/packages/?category=sci-visualization |
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| 16:28.02 | sam^ | thank you |
| 16:28.29 | HamishTPB | sam^: but if you click the "categories" link on the right you can search more |
| 16:28.30 | HamishTPB | sam^: no problem - I hope it helps |
| 16:28.47 | leonardo | alguien en español |
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| 16:30.14 | sam^ | well, it didn't help ... I guess, I'll stick with pen&paper |
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| 16:33.27 | HamishTPB | sam^: oh - nothing in other categories? There are a lot of scientific apps |
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| 16:34.27 | cromo | is it possible to edit my own bugs that I have reported on bugs.kde.org? |
| 16:35.09 | PhilOut | depends on your permissions |
| 16:35.21 | PhilOut | add a comment to say what you'd like changed if you don't have enough permissions |
| 16:35.22 | pusling | editing posts is evil. just add a comment |
| 16:37.53 | cromo | ok thx |
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| 16:40.21 | IIVQ | Hello... Is it possible to assign individual icons to different USB devices in kde OR to somehow read the windows autorun.inf for the associated icon? |
| 16:40.47 | sam^ | HamishTPB: haven't studied the other categories, learning with this archaic tools takes way less time than searching for an application ;o) |
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| 16:41.02 | PhilOut | cromo: and if you tell me what bug it is, I can make any changes that are appropriate |
| 16:41.15 | HamishTPB | sam^: lol |
| 16:41.17 | HamishTPB | sam^: OK |
| 16:41.58 | ico2_ | is there a way to make the user confirm a shutdown an extra time with a custom message like: "you know i will have to kill you if you shut down", but only if another user is logged on a the time? |
| 16:42.42 | ico2_ | tired of locking my screen, starting another session and the user of that session shutting down, they need to be able to, but i want to make sure they are duly warned |
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| 16:47.52 | DeadS0ul | ! |
| 16:48.00 | DeadS0ul | there's write support for ntfs now? |
| 16:48.41 | benJIman | not if you value your data |
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| 16:49.08 | Pinaraf | benJIman: there is, using FUSE |
| 16:49.35 | benJIman | Pinaraf: what does it use? |
| 16:49.47 | Pinaraf | it's a part of the ntfs-linux project : ntfsmount |
| 16:50.20 | Pinaraf | it's a FUSE "driver" for NTFS partitions. Off course it's a bit slower than the usual in-kernel driver, but it supports write |
| 16:50.34 | DeadS0ul | heh |
| 16:50.41 | DeadS0ul | my data isn't on an ntfs partition =p |
| 16:51.52 | visik7 | Pinaraf: safe write ? |
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| 16:52.15 | Pinaraf | visik7: they say it's safe |
| 16:52.26 | Pinaraf | (I don't have any windows here) |
| 16:52.31 | visik7 | me too |
| 16:52.39 | visik7 | at least not linux in dual boot |
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| 16:53.41 | desmond1972 | Hello? |
| 16:53.58 | Hairulfr | hello? |
| 16:54.35 | benJIman | Pinaraf: the kernel driver supports write, it's just not very reliable |
| 16:54.39 | benJIman | are you sure the FUSE one is better? |
| 16:54.46 | Hairulfr | Does anyone have problems with video.google.com in Konq? It doesn't play the vids, the audio is fine though. Works in FF |
| 16:54.56 | benJIman | Hairulfr: works for me |
| 16:55.01 | Pinaraf | yes it's better, and the FUSE one was available before write in kernel... |
| 16:55.09 | Hairulfr | benJIman|tov: Hmm... Must be m Konq then |
| 16:55.11 | benJIman | Hairulfr: try resizing the window |
| 16:55.30 | desmond1972 | I'm new to using Linux and would like to learn the programming languages. Iwas told that perl is a good start. What is the name of a book or a site which would be a good starting point? |
| 16:56.22 | Hairulfr | benJIman|tov: that did the trick... I wondered why it should have stopped working |
| 16:56.23 | desmond1972 | My apologies for the redundancy. |
| 16:56.32 | IIVQ | Hello... Is it possible to assign individual icons to different USB devices in kde OR to somehow read the windows autorun.inf for the associated icon? |
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| 16:58.31 | HamishTPB | desm... Oh - he left already |
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| 16:58.34 | HamishTPB | patient fellow |
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| 17:03.37 | Hairulfr | I tried running KDE on XGl here the other day, It works, but fonts, buttons and the like are pretty screwed |
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| 17:07.53 | benJIman | Hairulfr: works fine here |
| 17:08.03 | benJIman | might be your graphics drivers possibly |
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| 17:17.31 | fear_linux_god | can anyone help me gettign sound too work in kde, it works in gnome |
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| 17:19.55 | adamt | fear_linux_god: ps aux|grep artsd |
| 17:20.00 | adamt | does arts run? |
| 17:20.26 | fear_linux_god | i let u know once I get kde back on I was updating in gnome |
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| 17:20.47 | pagovor | hello folks |
| 17:20.48 | fear_linux_god | now my sound working??? |
| 17:20.52 | fear_linux_god | wtf?? |
| 17:20.58 | pagovor | does someone know how I can measure the page loading time in konqueror? |
| 17:22.03 | fear_linux_god | dont sue konqueror :P slow on my pc |
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| 17:23.26 | fear_linux_god | use* |
| 17:23.50 | adamt | fear_linux_god: read the topic, please. |
| 17:24.12 | adamt | if konq is slow on your pc, it's a problem with your pc/setup. |
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| 17:25.49 | pagovor | no idea how I can measure the time a page needs to be loaded? |
| 17:25.54 | benJIman | pagovor: a stop watch? |
| 17:26.06 | benJIman | you can use javascript timer or something but they're rather unreliable |
| 17:26.35 | pagovor | they are unreliable, and the stop watch is a joke I suppose1 |
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| 17:34.50 | two-face | Hi |
| 17:34.56 | two-face | Anyone using dekorator? |
| 17:35.25 | HamishTPB | two-face: I installed it but I haven't got around to playing with it yet :S |
| 17:35.45 | two-face | I installed themes |
| 17:36.02 | two-face | but window corners are not transparent |
| 17:36.11 | two-face | as they should be |
| 17:36.33 | two-face | they appear in a pink/red color |
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| 17:39.38 | HamishTPB | two-face: like I say I haven't really played with it much yet |
| 17:39.59 | HamishTPB | two-face: just didn't want to leave you hanging :) |
| 17:41.51 | two-face | HamishTPB: sure, thks, but I keep explaining just in case some other wake up :) |
| 17:42.28 | HamishTPB | two-face: yeah - I am interested in seeing what is said as well :) |
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| 18:04.40 | two-face | I'm having trouble with |
| 18:04.43 | two-face | sound |
| 18:04.46 | two-face | as well |
| 18:05.03 | two-face | I can't find a way to avoid holes in sound |
| 18:05.19 | two-face | even by increasing the buffer size |
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| 18:21.57 | bobyfixer | stupid people |
| 18:22.18 | two-face | hmm? |
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| 18:27.51 | bluesceada | how can i stop flash plugins from making sound in konqueror?? |
| 18:28.06 | bluesceada | (and still having my music make sound ;) ) |
| 18:28.15 | bluesceada | bobyfixer: o.O |
| 18:28.19 | bluesceada | anyone alive |
| 18:28.25 | DeadS0ul | disable sound output through arts |
| 18:28.27 | two-face | don't know |
| 18:28.32 | two-face | I can't play flash here |
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| 18:28.54 | bluesceada | DeadS0ul: i have it through alsa.. |
| 18:28.58 | bluesceada | i dont use arts |
| 18:29.02 | bluesceada | so it is disabled.. |
| 18:29.27 | DeadS0ul | oh |
| 18:29.47 | DeadS0ul | how'd you make it use alsa? |
| 18:30.11 | thiago | bluesceada: then flash is doing it by itself |
| 18:30.15 | thiago | convince flash to not play sounds |
| 18:30.20 | thiago | independently of Konqueror |
| 18:30.23 | DeadS0ul | naw flahs outputs the sond somewhere or the other |
| 18:30.26 | bluesceada | DeadS0ul: it just uses standard? |
| 18:30.32 | bluesceada | thiago: ah .. |
| 18:30.44 | bluesceada | flash sucks .. you just need it in some obscure cases :/ |
| 18:31.34 | bobyfixer | any one compiled mechcommander 2 under linux ?!!!! |
| 18:32.43 | DeadS0ul | hmm i forgot how flash is set up in linux, apt did everything for mre |
| 18:32.44 | DeadS0ul | me |
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| 18:35.58 | Z10N0101 | Hi guys! Is there some applications to edit soundS? |
| 18:36.07 | Z10N0101 | like sound Forge |
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| 18:36.33 | Benix | hi |
| 18:36.38 | Z10N0101 | hi Benix |
| 18:36.58 | benJIman | Z10N0101: there's audacity, it's not a kde app though, but quite good |
| 18:38.00 | Z10N0101 | Fine!!! Thanks a lot benJIman :D |
| 18:39.18 | Z10N0101 | benJIman, do you know how to make a VNC connection to my laptop but, to have control of the display :0.0 |
| 18:39.19 | Z10N0101 | ? |
| 18:39.29 | Benix | How can I change the font(color) of the windowbar? |
| 18:40.39 | Z10N0101 | I have no Idea man, sorry |
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| 18:41.03 | annma | Benix: font in KControl |
| 18:41.54 | annma | color also I think, in style |
| 18:42.15 | Z10N0101 | Guys, Is there a way to unmerge Juk, with out unmerging all the kdemultimedia package ? |
| 18:42.24 | Benix | annma: thanks, but dont see a way to change the color from black to white |
| 18:42.29 | annma | unmerge? |
| 18:42.43 | annma | the font color you mean, Benix |
| 18:42.51 | Benix | indeed |
| 18:42.52 | annma | i thought the border color |
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| 18:43.10 | annma | Z10N0101: ask gentoo for distro specific |
| 18:43.11 | Benix | My kicker wallpaper is very dark so white would look much better |
| 18:43.39 | Sho_ | Z10N0101: When you use the split ebuilds (i.e. kdemultimedia-meta), yes |
| 18:44.07 | Z10N0101 | so, you mean that I have to ask in gentoo chann. ? |
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| 18:44.59 | annma | Z10N0101: yes |
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| 18:45.38 | Z10N0101 | Thanks :D |
| 18:45.49 | Sho_ | Z10N0101: Gentoo offers two sets of KDE ebuilds: the monolithic ebuilds that correspond to the modules KDE.org puts out and which will not allow you to merge/unmerge specific applications, and the split ebuilds, which will allow you to do just that |
| 18:46.24 | Z10N0101 | Ouuch! Thant means I can not unmerge single packages |
| 18:46.28 | Sho_ | Z10N0101: If you had emerged kde-meta instead of kde or kdemultimedia-meta instead of kdemultimedia, you could do "unmerge juk" |
| 18:47.12 | Sho_ | Z10N0101: The *-meta packages just pulling in all the seperate packages from the split ebuilds, whereas the non-meta packages are just the modules as they come from kde.org |
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| 18:49.24 | Z10N0101 | Thanks a lot Sho_ , I can not unmerge :( |
| 18:50.11 | Sho_ | Z10N0101: KDE 3.5.2 will be released shortly which will provide you with a good opportunity to replace the monolithic with the split ebuilds if you desire |
| 18:51.11 | Z10N0101 | When is this update gonna come up |
| 18:51.54 | Sho_ | Z10N0101: It will likely be released some time next week; how long Gentoo will need to mark it as stable I do not know |
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| 18:52.28 | Z10N0101 | But I can Emerge it unmaking the packages right ? |
| 18:52.57 | Sho_ | Z10N0101: I didn't understand that, sorry |
| 18:53.42 | Z10N0101 | As you know, Gentoo works with a Tool named portage. |
| 18:54.27 | Sho_ | Z10N0101: Yes |
| 18:54.50 | annma | ;- |
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| 18:55.06 | annma | you knew, Sho_ ? |
| 18:55.13 | annma | ;-) |
| 18:55.22 | Sho_ | annma: Vaguely, I'm only using it for about three years |
| 18:55.24 | Z10N0101 | That tool, has a file where all the packages Gentoo has available to download but are Hard Masked (This means:Unstable), You can delete the # of the file and that's it |
| 18:55.36 | StevenR | hey annma !! how goes it? |
| 18:55.38 | annma | ;-) |
| 18:55.48 | annma | goes well!!! |
| 18:55.52 | annma | thanks |
| 18:55.55 | annma | you? |
| 18:56.05 | Sho_ | Z10N0101: When KDE 3.5.2 is released the corresponding ebuilds will be masked by the ~arch keyword, i.e. ~x86. And yes, you can certainly unmask and install them, which is what I will do. |
| 18:56.57 | Sho_ | Z10N0101: Basically, you want to be able to install/uninstall seperate applications; the split ebuilds will allow you to do that. You currently have the monolithic ebuilds installed which you need to remove in order to replace them with the splits. KDE 3.5.2 is a good opportunity for that since you need to recompile KDE on that occasion anyway. |
| 18:57.29 | Sho_ | Z10N0101: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kde-config.xml and specifically http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kde-split-ebuilds.xml offer additional information on the KDE split ebuilds in Gentoo Portage |
| 18:57.39 | StevenR | annma: im good, on proper holiday, for 1st time in a year...nearly finished my degree |
| 18:57.48 | annma | :) cool |
| 18:57.49 | Sho_ | z |
| 18:58.07 | Sho_ | oops, -z |
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| 18:58.27 | annma | -z? |
| 18:58.57 | Sho_ | annma: just recalling the mistakingly typed 'z' ;) |
| 18:59.09 | annma | lol |
| 18:59.11 | annma | ok |
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| 19:00.34 | Z10N0101 | Hey, have you read about the kde 3.5.2? what does especial has |
| 19:01.08 | Sho_ | Z10N0101: A preliminary changelog is available at http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_1to3_5_2.php |
| 19:01.23 | Z10N0101 | thanks ÑD |
| 19:01.25 | Z10N0101 | :D |
| 19:01.31 | Z10N0101 | Where you from Sho_ _ |
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| 19:01.38 | Sho_ | Z10N0101: Germany |
| 19:02.10 | Z10N0101 | Wow! How does life's there ? |
| 19:02.21 | benJIman | hmm 114938 might speed up kopete too |
| 19:02.43 | Sho_ | Z10N0101: Getting better ... the winter seems to slowly fade away finally ;) |
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| 19:03.04 | Z10N0101 | :D Im glad of it |
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| 19:10.39 | Benix | Sho_: yes today is the hottest day of the year 2006 in Germany ;) |
| 19:10.59 | Sho_ | Benix: I see you're an optimist ... ;) |
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| 19:11.25 | Benix | Sho_: Hehe. No you missunderstood. Till now it is the hottest day of 2006 ^^ |
| 19:11.39 | Sho_ | Benix: ah ;) |
| 19:12.19 | Benix | Sho_: I bet we will have hot summer, a short winter and a great kde 4.0 alpha release *g |
| 19:12.43 | Sho_ | Benix: I wouldn't be overly sure about the latter (in fact I'm not) ;) |
| 19:12.57 | Benix | :) |
| 19:14.25 | cenuij | lies! |
| 19:14.33 | cenuij | it will be there! |
| 19:15.58 | Sho_ | cenuij: Don't set yourself up for disappointment :-P |
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| 19:22.18 | cenuij | heh |
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| 19:23.23 | djk_ | when will kde4 be done? |
| 19:23.39 | bluesceada | djk_: next year afaik |
| 19:24.26 | djk_ | bluesceada: wasn't it supposed to be sometime this summer? |
| 19:24.35 | Z10N0101 | I have problems emerging audacity |
| 19:24.59 | HamishTPB | djk_: you might see some early alpha/beta stuff this year but it is a long way from a stable release |
| 19:25.22 | Z10N0101 | !!! wxGTK must be re-emerged without unicode suport |
| 19:25.31 | HamishTPB | djk_: I think there are some dev things on the go though - best to ask in #kde-devel if you are a dev sort |
| 19:25.43 | Sho_ | Z10N0101: That's really one for #gentoo |
| 19:26.09 | Z10N0101 | haha, a'right |
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| 19:27.04 | djk_ | thanks |
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| 19:27.51 | HamishTPB | djk_: no probs - I hang around in #kde-devel but most of it is over my head as I am very new :) |
| 19:28.02 | Shirakawasuna | hi! I get this message when I open kaudiocreator: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Rw24bM59.html |
| 19:28.19 | Dhraakellian | Is there a way to have multiple saved sessions and choose which one to load when KDE starts up? |
| 19:28.22 | Shirakawasuna | I've put my user in the "cdrom" group and it still doesn't work - mounting works fine |
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| 19:29.34 | Dhraakellian | for instance, at home, I want xchat, Kopete, konqueror, gkrellm, and kpager to start automatically, but when I use nx to log in remotely, I only want to load gkrellm and kpager at startup. |
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| 19:30.45 | pinotree | hello =) |
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| 19:31.49 | Shirakawasuna | pinotree: hi |
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| 19:43.21 | Jin | can anybody point me to a good white on black theme for KDE 3.4? |
| 19:43.45 | knoppix | How can i install knoppix into my hdd ? |
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| 19:44.49 | idP | hi |
| 19:45.01 | idP | how can I add an application to the start menu ? |
| 19:45.29 | pinotree | idP: right click on the kmenu icon -> edit |
| 19:45.30 | idP | what is the utility that does this , or what the file i should edit and where is it ? |
| 19:45.46 | simmerz | has anyone got mountiso working? |
| 19:45.46 | pinotree | and the utility is called kmenuedit |
| 19:46.05 | idP | ok |
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| 19:46.50 | idP | thanks |
| 19:46.58 | idP | i found it |
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| 19:51.45 | PhilOut | knoppix: ask in #knoppix |
| 19:52.35 | knoppix | PhilOut: thanks |
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| 19:57.45 | xenalise | anyone about? |
| 19:58.20 | kirun | yeah, one or two or 254 :) |
| 19:58.31 | xenalise | haha... I meant alive :P |
| 19:59.05 | xenalise | got an annoying problem with KDE :| |
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| 20:00.40 | kirun | well, sharing is good :) |
| 20:00.58 | xenalise | well, I've just installed openSUSE SLICK, to test it |
| 20:01.08 | xenalise | run YaST Online Update |
| 20:01.31 | xenalise | and since then, everytime I login, kicker crashes |
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| 20:02.46 | idP | how can I stop the auto sorting of icons at startup of kde, it makes my manuall sorting gets messed up |
| 20:03.35 | benJIman | right click -> icons -> lock in place |
| 20:03.51 | PhilRod | xenalise: try renaming ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc |
| 20:04.01 | xenalise | oki :D |
| 20:04.01 | PhilRod | restart KDE and see if it still crashes |
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| 20:04.14 | xenalise | I'll give that a try now, thanks :) |
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| 20:05.10 | idP | i dont have this option lock in place |
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| 20:07.28 | idP | any other way to maintain my sorting of desktop icons ? |
| 20:07.29 | main | is there an utility that would let me graphically mount .iso images? |
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| 20:08.43 | Jin | main, why not just mount them using mount in the console? |
| 20:09.01 | main | too much typing |
| 20:09.15 | main | id like to right-click and select from a service menu to mount it automatically |
| 20:09.26 | main | i think thats much faster and more convenient |
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| 20:10.51 | PhilRod | main: there's a servicemenus tutorial: |
| 20:10.53 | PhilRod | ~servicemenus |
| 20:10.55 | apt | methinks servicemenus is http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/dot/servicemenus.html |
| 20:11.06 | PhilRod | you could probably work something out |
| 20:11.16 | main | but id need to make automatic suid somehow |
| 20:11.23 | main | so that a regular user (me) can run mount |
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| 20:14.41 | |cleric| | hi |
| 20:14.56 | Z10N0101 | hi |
| 20:15.53 | PhilRod | main: sudo? |
| 20:16.09 | main | well, only root can mount, no? |
| 20:16.23 | main | yes, i meant sudo ;) |
| 20:16.23 | PhilRod | or just use the servicemenu to call a script that's suid root |
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| 20:16.31 | PhilRod | well, depends on exactly your settings |
| 20:16.54 | PhilRod | you can have certain mount points that are allowed to be used by users |
| 20:17.14 | PhilRod | take a look at klik (klik.atekon.de, I think); it does some trick along those lines |
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| 20:18.53 | |cleric| | hi. |
| 20:19.00 | PhilRod | hi |cleric| |
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| 20:21.11 | |cleric| | i have a problem with the composite extension and kde. xcompmgr and transset etc. work without a problem, but kde just tells me "It seems that alpha channel support is not available." |
| 20:22.02 | benJIman | are you using kompmgr? |
| 20:22.23 | |cleric| | benJIman: do i have to config that in any special way? |
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| 20:22.32 | |cleric| | i have installed it, of course |
| 20:22.42 | |cleric| | (after it did not work) |
| 20:23.09 | benJIman | you can configure it with the right click window decoration -> configure -> translucency |
| 20:23.26 | |cleric| | benJIman: then i get the error msg |
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| 20:26.29 | Blissex | bah! for whatever reason it is happening again that when I print from Konqueror most stuff is garbled, and I can't imagine anything I have done that has caused that :-) The curious thing is that some stuff comes out right. Example http://www.sabi.co.uk/xirc/I/snapKonqPrintGarbled.png |
| 20:26.45 | Blissex | so I would like suggestions on where to look... |
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| 20:28.57 | idP | back again |
| 20:29.10 | idP | i couldnt find a help on lde autosorting :( |
| 20:29.28 | idP | anyone has an idea how to stop the kde autosorting of desktop icons ? |
| 20:30.00 | benJIman | idP: right click -> icons -> lock in place |
| 20:30.09 | idP | i dont have this option |
| 20:30.20 | benJIman | it's new in kde 3.5, perhaps you're using an older version |
| 20:30.47 | Billthe4th | idP: what do you mean by autosorting? |
| 20:30.50 | Sho_ | (even in earlier versions I never had auto-sorting) |
| 20:30.54 | idP | yes 3.4.3 |
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| 20:31.25 | Sho_ | idP: I think you can toggle off the sorting by selecting what it is currently sorted by again in the context menu |
| 20:31.28 | idP | the kde at startup changes the way I organize my icons |
| 20:31.37 | Billthe4th | if you look in control centre -> desktop -> behaviour -> File Icons |
| 20:31.40 | benJIman | kde always jumbles them up |
| 20:31.49 | benJIman | it's better with the lock icons thing though |
| 20:32.00 | Billthe4th | there is an "Automatically line up icons" option... is that what you mean? |
| 20:32.13 | Sho_ | Billthe4th: He means what he says |
| 20:32.28 | Sho_ | Billthe4th: Icons -> Sort icons in the context menu |
| 20:32.50 | idP | I dont know, i know that it automaticaly lines the icons to its criteria |
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| 20:33.04 | idP | i wana keep my the icons locked in space, |
| 20:33.28 | idP | now i know it is avaible as an option in kde 3.5, but what to do with 3.4 |
| 20:33.32 | Sho_ | idP: Did you try '<Sho_> idP: I think you can toggle off the sorting by selecting what it is currently sorted by again in the context menu'? |
| 20:34.05 | Q-collective | idP: why not upgrade? =) |
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| 20:34.31 | idP | wow upgrade for this tiny thing :) |
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| 20:34.47 | idP | besides i like what i have, i dont wana mess thigs up |
| 20:34.49 | Sho_ | idP: You don't need to upgrade for that |
| 20:35.42 | benJIman | they don't even always stay in place in kde 3.5 with the lock |
| 20:35.52 | benJIman | kicker likes shifting them round the screen, especially with twinview |
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| 20:36.41 | idP | i will try things maybe i will finally rreach something |
| 20:36.48 | idP | another qs for developers though |
| 20:36.54 | PhilRod | benJIman: well, they kind of will be in KDE 4 (plasma and all that) |
| 20:37.05 | idP | i know that kde developeent is baed on QT |
| 20:37.07 | idP | right? |
| 20:37.17 | benJIman | PhilRod: yeah should be good |
| 20:37.24 | Sho_ | idP: "Qt" (so not to confuse it with Apple QuickTime), but yeah |
| 20:37.25 | benJIman | idP: right |
| 20:38.17 | idP | ok i know that gnome now has this technology for fonts and lines called cairo |
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| 20:38.32 | cenuij | benJIman im quite sure many people, like myself, never use desktop icons anymore |
| 20:38.36 | Sho_ | idP: Cairo is actually a vector graphics rendering library that is not part of the Gnome project |
| 20:38.39 | idP | it makes curved line smooth , is this availble with QT |
| 20:38.44 | cenuij | i cant remember the last time i did |
| 20:38.50 | benJIman | cenuij: indeed, they're not particularly useful |
| 20:38.55 | Sho_ | idP: Qt4 has a competing technology called Arthur |
| 20:39.03 | Sho_ | idP: But nothing stops someone from using cairo in a KDE application |
| 20:39.11 | idP | cool |
| 20:39.20 | benJIman | cairo is slow as hell |
| 20:39.22 | idP | I liked cairo it makes things loks cool |
| 20:39.38 | Sho_ | idP: Making things look cool is on our agenda for the future :) |
| 20:39.56 | Sho_ | And anti-aliased vector graphics are a part of that. |
| 20:40.01 | benJIman | not that you can't make things look cool in kde 3.x |
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| 20:40.16 | idP | ok i need ur opinion on this too, i noticed that kde is crowded with stuff.. |
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| 20:41.20 | idP | i mean u open Konqurer or kde- control panel, u find lots of things |
| 20:41.25 | cenuij | ah yes |
| 20:41.32 | cenuij | options, choice, freedom, power |
| 20:41.39 | idP | for a newbie like me, it will take ages to find what i am looking for |
| 20:41.42 | cenuij | its a beatiful thing |
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| 20:41.54 | benJIman | idP: the control panel is searchable |
| 20:41.57 | Sho_ | idP: KDE 3.5 has an improved search function in the KDE Control Panel to make you find things easier |
| 20:42.06 | HamishTPB | idP: I think it is busy looking but very well laid out and easy to navigate |
| 20:42.17 | HamishTPB | cenuij: yes it is :) |
| 20:42.26 | benJIman | idP: some distributors have simpler default configurations |
| 20:42.48 | idP | i know this gives one freedom to manipulate |
| 20:43.11 | idP | but for ease the desktop esxperience sometimes one need categorizing |
| 20:43.20 | HamishTPB | like benJIman says - there is a search facility and you can always ask here as well :D |
| 20:43.31 | HamishTPB | idP: it should all be categorised O_o |
| 20:43.41 | idP | like this goes here this goes there and advanced ppl can digg there |
| 20:43.42 | HamishTPB | idP: the control centre anyway |
| 20:43.51 | PhilRod | and you can help with the documentation so that others after you can find stuff |
| 20:44.06 | Sho_ | idP: There's certainly a continued effort to make things easier to discover and streamline the UI. KDE 3.5 represents a good amount of progress in that direction. |
| 20:44.06 | idP | thisd is what i do |
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| 20:44.10 | HamishTPB | idP: and the file system, on most installations, follows the unix standard |
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| 20:44.12 | idP | when I encounter a problem |
| 20:44.16 | idP | and solve it |
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| 20:44.50 | PhilRod | idP: cool - for kde, you can send changes to the documentation to kde-doc-english@kde.org |
| 20:44.52 | idP | I write down how i solved it |
| 20:45.08 | idP | great |
| 20:45.20 | idP | i know i already asked alot |
| 20:45.22 | idP | but one last qs |
| 20:45.45 | idP | will c# be ported to QT environment ? |
| 20:45.57 | PhilRod | ? |
| 20:46.04 | idP | c-sharp |
| 20:46.08 | Sho_ | idP: I believe someone has already developed experimental C# bindings for Qt, yes |
| 20:46.22 | benJIman | Sho_: i've not seen any progress on them since 2003ish |
| 20:46.37 | Sho_ | benJIman: Not following it, admittedly |
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| 20:46.50 | Q-collective | gah, kaffeine isn't network transparent? :( I tried to open a url with kaffeine and got "you can only select local files" |
| 20:47.00 | benJIman | Q-collective: xine isn't unfortunately |
| 20:47.03 | idP | it will be a strategic choice to do so, |
| 20:47.05 | benJIman | and kaffeine is a frontend to xine |
| 20:47.07 | Sho_ | Q-collective: I enjoy KMPlayer quite a bit |
| 20:47.07 | idP | I guess.. |
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| 20:47.29 | PhilRod | idP: if you're interested in helping with the Qt C# bindings, we can probably find the person you need to talk to |
| 20:47.36 | Sho_ | idP: The chances for Java support look better |
| 20:47.41 | Q-collective | benJIman: I see |
| 20:47.44 | Q-collective | bah :( |
| 20:47.52 | benJIman | c# bindings would be very nice |
| 20:48.11 | benJIman | Sho_: free java implementations are less far along than mono unfortunately |
| 20:48.24 | Q-collective | Sho_: I find kmplayer very clumsy, it's barely working right at any given time |
| 20:48.35 | idP | sho, i wish i could.. the reason i ask, I study c# and will take cources on it.. so i like to use it with kde evelopement |
| 20:48.46 | Sho_ | Q-collective: Curious |
| 20:49.14 | idP | ok cool |
| 20:49.27 | idP | thanks all |
| 20:49.31 | idP | see u |
| 20:49.36 | Q-collective | bye |
| 20:49.41 | Sho_ | bye idP |
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| 20:50.49 | benJIman | is a bit frustrating that can't use java or c# for Qt/kde development |
| 20:51.36 | Sho_ | benJIman: Well, official Java bindings have been announced |
| 20:51.50 | benJIman | yeah that's nice |
| 20:52.53 | Sho_ | Although they also announced intentions to release a tech preview in Q1/2006 ... not much longer to go ;) |
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| 20:53.36 | benJIman | using java to write free software doesn't seem like a good idea though |
| 20:54.21 | main | its great that u cant use too many languages for kde |
| 20:54.31 | main | otherwise KDE would be a mess like gnome |
| 20:54.36 | Sho_ | benJIman: Well I'd be a bit apprehensive of the legal situation around Mono as well, is my gut reaction without having looked into the matter more closely |
| 20:55.20 | benJIman | Sho_: well mono is GPLed, the only potential problem I know of is that microsoft can charge a "reasonable and non-discriminatory fee" for use of the standard |
| 20:57.06 | HamishTPB | benJIman to my mind that is Lawyer speak for "M$ can stick their oar in if they want to" |
| 20:57.13 | Sho_ | Interestingly, Microsoft announced a version of WPF for Mac/Safari and Firefox at MIX, and claimed they would "actively support Linux and Solaris implementations" |
| 20:57.26 | benJIman | WPF? |
| 20:57.47 | Sho_ | And their Mac port apparently includes a subset of the .NET CLR |
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| 20:57.57 | Sho_ | benJIman: The Windows Presentation Foundation |
| 20:58.00 | benJIman | HamishTPB: bit difficult for them to suggest anything would be reasonable or non-discriminatory for free software, plus the EU and US competition people would have fun |
| 20:58.14 | HamishTPB | benJIman fair point :) |
| 20:58.31 | inuka | hey, what's the best email client with pop and imap for kde? i use kmail at the moment but wandering if there's a better one.. thanks |
| 20:59.31 | Q-collective | wha? wpf working on linux? |
| 20:59.48 | Q-collective | what are the guys at ms smoking? |
| 20:59.51 | Q-collective | I want some |
| 21:00.03 | Sho_ | Q-collective: Well, it might have just been for the marketing, of course |
| 21:00.15 | Q-collective | probably |
| 21:00.16 | Sho_ | But they did show it running in Safari on Macs |
| 21:01.08 | Q-collective | like "we ship our next version of windows in 2003, oh no, 2005, no wait, 2007! Haha, got you, 2006. No wait, it's 2007 again" |
| 21:01.11 | Q-collective | love that |
| 21:01.17 | Sho_ | :-) |
| 21:01.43 | PhilRod | inuka: there are no other kde email clients that I know of |
| 21:02.33 | Sho_ | benJIman: Basically they have developed a new set of platform/UI libraries and an XML dialect, XAML, to instanciate those classes, it's all based around sort of a document object model. In terms of capabilities it does rich 2D/3d graphics. Deployed in browsers, it looks like it's supposed to take on Flash/Shockwave. |
| 21:02.55 | benJIman | Sho_: yeah I watched some of the presentations on it |
| 21:03.23 | benJIman | I doubt it's any more open than flash/shockwave though |
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| 21:03.36 | conga | does anyone has this type of font? http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2004-08-25-20-57_1600x1200.png |
| 21:03.44 | Sho_ | benJIman: And one of their primary goals seems to be to deploy it for a maximum audience, hence plug-ins for Firefox, Safari, etc. |
| 21:04.31 | Q-collective | we really need to have an opensource flash |
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| 21:05.10 | HamishTPB | conga: that looks familiar - I have a lot of fonts installed though to look through - are you trying to find the name? |
| 21:05.18 | Sho_ | benJIman: Well it does seem poised to become the next primary UI API for Windows |
| 21:06.01 | Q-collective | Sho_: msn was poised to take over the internet |
| 21:06.06 | Sho_ | benJIman: I.e. they announced Windows.Forms wouldn't receive any new features and please look at XAML/Avalon/WPF/nameoftheweek from now on |
| 21:06.20 | conga | HamishTPB, yeah i'm trying to find the name of that font |
| 21:06.33 | pwuertz | there is a opensource flash implementation called "gnash" |
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| 21:06.50 | HamishTPB | conga: hang on a few minutes and I will see what I can find - got over 1500 fonts here though so bear with me ;-)_ |
| 21:06.52 | HamishTPB | ;-) |
| 21:06.58 | pwuertz | far from complete.... but some stuff looks good already... |
| 21:07.00 | conga | wow lol |
| 21:07.03 | StevenR | pwuertz: afaik gnash is actually free, not open |
| 21:07.12 | pwuertz | gnash is opensource |
| 21:07.16 | lgsobalvarro | hi StevenR |
| 21:07.25 | lgsobalvarro | hello canllaith |
| 21:07.29 | StevenR | hiya lgsobalvarro |
| 21:07.30 | pwuertz | developed by the gnu guys |
| 21:07.53 | cenuij | there was a wbsite that compared fonts in images toa database of some 5k fonts, for the life of my i have no idea if it still exists though |
| 21:08.06 | pwuertz | http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
| 21:08.11 | Q-collective | hmm |
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| 21:08.32 | StevenR | pwuertz: no, gnash is not an opensource project. it is a free software project. free software and open source software are very different |
| 21:08.32 | Q-collective | version 7 support, while the net is switching over to version 8 |
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| 21:08.38 | Sho_ | iirc there was quite a bit of controvery surrounding gnash |
| 21:08.51 | Sho_ | GNU took public domain code and relicensed it under GPL or something |
| 21:09.08 | pwuertz | StevenR, i compiled it from source... its GNU.... so what do you want? |
| 21:09.20 | Sho_ | yep. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnash |
| 21:09.51 | StevenR | pwuertz: you're misunderstanding the difference between free and open. |
| 21:10.24 | Sho_ | StevenR: You're not making it very clear either |
| 21:10.27 | pwuertz | i dont think so |
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| 21:10.48 | pwuertz | you actually dont tell us what you mean |
| 21:11.34 | StevenR | pwuertz: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html |
| 21:11.48 | benJIman | pwuertz: Free software guarantees certain freedoms that merely open source software may not grant |
| 21:12.10 | pwuertz | i wont read that huge article right now |
| 21:12.19 | StevenR | some of microsofts code is open source if you pay for it...but it's not free-as-in-freedom in any way shape or form |
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| 21:12.29 | Q-collective | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html |
| 21:12.32 | Q-collective | more info |
| 21:12.39 | Q-collective | on opensource vs free |
| 21:12.40 | pwuertz | fine... gnash is open and free |
| 21:12.54 | HamishTPB | conga: still looking - it is annoying me because it is *very* familiar |
| 21:13.08 | conga | oh |
| 21:13.13 | conga | i like the font :( |
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| 21:13.27 | HamishTPB | conga: don't lose hope - I am still looking :) |
| 21:13.33 | conga | cool |
| 21:13.33 | StevenR | PhilRod: not really...they're very different things :) |
| 21:13.50 | Sho_ | conga: That's likely Myriad |
| 21:14.04 | HamishTPB | Sho_: a clue! :) |
| 21:14.14 | HamishTPB | hmmn |
| 21:14.23 | HamishTPB | I don't have one called myriad though |
| 21:14.29 | Q-collective | StevenR: a lot of opensource code is free code though, so that might explain the confusion |
| 21:14.35 | PhilRod | StevenR: the concepts are different, the software itself isn't :-) |
| 21:14.39 | Sho_ | but a variant |
| 21:14.42 | Sho_ | bah, I had that font once, too |
| 21:14.53 | StevenR | Sho_: nothing wrong with taking public domain code if it works |
| 21:15.06 | HamishTPB | the font looks like something I used in my Atari days |
| 21:15.18 | main | can public domain code be GPLd ? |
| 21:15.46 | HamishTPB | in fact I just remembered where I seen it - I did use it on my desktop on my TT |
| 21:15.56 | HamishTPB | if only I can remember the damned name :S |
| 21:16.10 | HamishTPB | damn |
| 21:16.12 | HamishTPB | thought I had it |
| 21:16.16 | HamishTPB | VAG Rounded |
| 21:16.22 | StevenR | main: yes, but it's kindof an odd issue...if I take some PD code and release it under the GPL, you could still just go get the PD code if you wanted to not be bound by the GPL |
| 21:16.23 | HamishTPB | but that is not it |
| 21:16.28 | Blissex | main: thats not really a question for this group. |
| 21:16.45 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: http://www.eikehein.com/font.gif <- looks like the same, right? |
| 21:16.51 | conga | Sho_, do you have that font? |
| 21:16.51 | main | i asked, because it came up in this room |
| 21:17.06 | conga | yeah |
| 21:17.09 | conga | :D |
| 21:17.09 | Sho_ | conga: I did, since I made that GIF once ;) |
| 21:17.10 | HamishTPB | Sho_: very similar - they are both sort of Star Trek like |
| 21:17.20 | conga | Sho_, can you send me the font ? |
| 21:17.21 | PhilRod | Blissex: it seems to be off-topic hour at the moment, so I wouldn't worry about it :-) |
| 21:17.25 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: That's the bold type I think |
| 21:17.29 | HamishTPB | Sho_: ah |
| 21:17.33 | Sho_ | conga: Unfortunately I may not have it any more |
| 21:17.38 | HamishTPB | Sho_: that is Myriad? |
| 21:17.44 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: Nah |
| 21:17.45 | HamishTPB | Sho_: cos I don't recall that name |
| 21:17.48 | HamishTPB | Sho_: ah |
| 21:17.49 | HamishTPB | lol |
| 21:17.49 | Blissex | PhilRod: yes, I am also lax about off topic in non intense moments, but thats a dangerous question too... |
| 21:17.55 | conga | :P |
| 21:17.57 | HamishTPB | I am on a quest now |
| 21:18.09 | Blissex | main: however, IANAL but I have an opinion on the matter. |
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| 21:19.01 | main | ianal? |
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| 21:19.38 | conga | HamishTPB: kekee |
| 21:19.42 | HamishTPB | main: I am not a lawyer |
| 21:19.54 | main | ooh, ok |
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| 21:21.08 | Blissex | main: strictly speaking public domain is a complete absence of copyright. the GPL is copyright, so some code cannot be under both at the same time. However PD code and GPL code can be mixed, because PD code having no restrictions has no greater restrictions than GPL. |
| 21:21.45 | Blissex | main: however lessig thinks that with current legislation there is _no_ public domain code in the USA nowadays. |
| 21:22.10 | main | lessiq ? |
| 21:22.13 | main | who is that |
| 21:22.20 | benJIman | you can specifically declare something as public domain if you want |
| 21:22.22 | Sho_ | lawrence lessig |
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| 21:23.41 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: I have a hunch now the name started with S, FWIW ;) |
| 21:24.19 | HamishTPB | conga: sorry but I can't see the one I am looking for - I can send you a font archive file with most of my fonts from my last backup - if nothing else it will give you something to look through :) |
| 21:24.30 | HamishTPB | Sho_: LOL - I was looking around S for a while... |
| 21:24.32 | conga | yeah |
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| 21:24.39 | conga | can you send me :D |
| 21:24.42 | HamishTPB | you got a fairly fast connection? |
| 21:24.55 | HamishTPB | I can upload about 70k/sec |
| 21:24.57 | HamishTPB | DCC |
| 21:25.04 | conga | yes |
| 21:25.09 | HamishTPB | gimme a min |
| 21:25.12 | HamishTPB | will find the archive |
| 21:25.14 | conga | cool :) |
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| 21:28.18 | syke | hi |
| 21:28.30 | syke | I'm getting a compile error when building arts from the 3.5 branch |
| 21:28.30 | syke | if /bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --tag=CC --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I../../mcop -I../../artsc -I../../flow -I../../flow -I../../mcop -I../../mcop -I../.. -I/home/matt/include -I/usr/qt/3/include -I. -I../../libltdl -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -D_REENTRANT -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include -std=iso9899:1990 -Wall -Wchar-subscripts -Wpointer-arith -Wmissing-prototypes -Wwrite-strings -D_XOPEN_S |
| 21:28.30 | syke | then mv -f ".deps/gslcommon.Tpo" ".deps/gslcommon.Plo"; else rm -f ".deps/gslcommon.Tpo"; exit 1; fi |
| 21:28.31 | syke | gslcommon.c:63: warning: type qualifiers ignored on function return type |
| 21:28.32 | syke | gslcommon.c:63: error: conflicting types for 'gsl_alloc_upper_power2' |
| 21:28.34 | syke | gslcommon.h:244: error: previous declaration of 'gsl_alloc_upper_power2' was here |
| 21:28.36 | syke | gslcommon.c:63: error: conflicting types for 'gsl_alloc_upper_power2' |
| 21:28.38 | syke | gslcommon.h:244: error: previous declaration of 'gsl_alloc_upper_power2' was here |
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| 21:29.00 | main | why are some letters messed up in konqi? |
| 21:29.12 | main | no matter what fonts i select, W, V, N come up slightly weird |
| 21:29.18 | main | like bold or smth |
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| 21:29.58 | Sho_ | pinotree: the topic is pointy? |
| 21:30.11 | pinotree | Sho_: -.- |
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| 21:30.52 | HamishTPB | conga: that should keep you busy for a while :) About 1450 fonts in that archive iirc |
| 21:31.33 | conga | lol |
| 21:31.37 | conga | wow that big |
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| 21:31.58 | conga | you're awesome HamishTPB :) |
| 21:32.21 | HamishTPB | conga: I wouldn't say that - I am just a font junkie :) |
| 21:32.31 | conga | ehehe |
| 21:32.32 | HamishTPB | added about 100 more since that lot |
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| 21:33.54 | Sho_ | ha, got it |
| 21:33.58 | Sho_ | conga: The font is called "Slider" |
| 21:33.59 | conga | 33 |
| 21:34.24 | HamishTPB | Sho_: O_O |
| 21:34.25 | main | here, check it out http://tinypic.com/s6n6df.png |
| 21:34.32 | HamishTPB | Sho_: you sure? :) |
| 21:35.04 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: I found an old ZIP archive with an old Xara 3D file in which I used the font, and it specifies Slider |
| 21:35.12 | HamishTPB | hehe |
| 21:35.33 | HamishTPB | Sho_: that is not the name I remember - so mine was probably not exactly the same one |
| 21:35.46 | HamishTPB | Sho_: for some reason I think of Atari or Star Trek when I see it |
| 21:36.07 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: How fitting that i used it in a Trekkie file |
| 21:36.25 | HamishTPB | Sho_ / conga FYI - there is not a font called slider in that archive :P |
| 21:36.26 | conga | u |
| 21:36.35 | conga | yeah |
| 21:36.36 | conga | :D |
| 21:36.44 | HamishTPB | conga: that would be too easy |
| 21:36.50 | conga | i almost type my root password in the channel |
| 21:36.52 | conga | lol |
| 21:36.57 | HamishTPB | damn universe messing with our heads O_o |
| 21:36.59 | HamishTPB | lol |
| 21:37.02 | conga | hehee |
| 21:37.05 | Sho_ | conga, HamishTPB: http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a8612692/files/slider.zip |
| 21:37.35 | HamishTPB | Sho_: thanks :) |
| 21:37.58 | Sho_ | You gotta love #kde ;) |
| 21:38.16 | HamishTPB | Sho_: hell yeah :) |
| 21:38.33 | cbr | hei.. does the kaffeine-mozilla thing launch an embedded player? |
| 21:38.42 | conga | lol |
| 21:38.43 | conga | yeah |
| 21:38.51 | conga | Is that the font HamishTPB ? |
| 21:38.57 | conga | i can't view it yet |
| 21:39.02 | HamishTPB | oh I dunno |
| 21:39.06 | HamishTPB | hang on - will install |
| 21:39.11 | conga | ok |
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| 21:39.30 | conga | thanks Sho_ :) |
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| 21:40.17 | Sho_ | conga: np, hope it's the right one for you |
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| 21:41.03 | conga | yeah |
| 21:41.06 | conga | that the font :D |
| 21:41.07 | HamishTPB | Sho_: not the same one :S |
| 21:41.12 | conga | yay, thank you Sho_ :) |
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| 21:41.17 | HamishTPB | O_o |
| 21:41.19 | conga | it is haakonn |
| 21:41.21 | conga | :D |
| 21:41.22 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: I notice the k is a little different |
| 21:41.28 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: Overall it's very very close though |
| 21:41.34 | HamishTPB | Sho_: the capital A looks totally different |
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| 21:41.42 | conga | oh |
| 21:41.47 | conga | i haven't notice that |
| 21:41.55 | HamishTPB | Sho_ / conga fonts are weird and wonderful :) |
| 21:42.11 | conga | hhehe |
| 21:42.28 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: Actually I don't think it looks very different |
| 21:42.35 | Sho_ | The capital A I mean |
| 21:42.42 | Sho_ | May depend on your hinting settings, of course |
| 21:42.56 | HamishTPB | Sho_: just looking at the original screenie again - looked at so many fonts in the last 30 mins I am goggle-eyed :) |
| 21:43.29 | HamishTPB | lol - yeah Sho_ I was mixing up something else :S |
| 21:43.49 | Sho_ | the small k is definitely different though |
| 21:43.52 | HamishTPB | Sho_ / conga I think that is a very good match, if not the actual font |
| 21:43.54 | HamishTPB | k |
| 21:43.56 | HamishTPB | ok |
| 21:44.03 | conga | yeah |
| 21:44.15 | conga | i happy with the font, thanks :) |
| 21:44.19 | HamishTPB | hehe |
| 21:44.29 | HamishTPB | if I ever find the exact one I will let you know |
| 21:44.30 | HamishTPB | :) |
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| 21:44.37 | Sho_ | the A: http://www.eikehein.com/compare.png |
| 21:44.37 | HamishTPB | and have fun with the archive too :D |
| 21:44.39 | main2 | can i change kde's splash-screen backgroup? |
| 21:44.44 | main2 | background |
| 21:44.47 | benJIman | yes |
| 21:44.54 | main2 | im currently using the slider |
| 21:45.13 | main2 | it enjoys me, but the grey background produces too much light in my eyes |
| 21:45.24 | HamishTPB | main2: in control-centre>Appearance and Themes>Splash Screen |
| 21:45.30 | main2 | im there.. |
| 21:45.33 | HamishTPB | :) |
| 21:45.34 | main2 | and then? |
| 21:45.41 | HamishTPB | pick a screen |
| 21:45.49 | main2 | i wanne change the background image/color of the slider.. |
| 21:46.06 | Sho_ | main: You'll have to modify the images the splash is made out of |
| 21:46.07 | benJIman | slider? |
| 21:46.09 | main2 | the background of the 'simple splash screen' |
| 21:46.19 | benJIman | do you mean the background colour of the screen or something else? |
| 21:46.21 | main2 | Sho_, where can i find these |
| 21:46.21 | benJIman | what do you mean by slider? |
| 21:46.25 | main2 | the background of the 'simple splash screen' |
| 21:46.27 | HamishTPB | main2: you lost me with "slider" |
| 21:46.32 | Sho_ | benJIman: button bar I guess |
| 21:46.34 | benJIman | main: which background do you mean? |
| 21:46.37 | Sho_ | benJIman: or the progress bar perhaps ... |
| 21:46.46 | main2 | simple splash screen -> the progress bar jes |
| 21:46.47 | Sho_ | benJIman: s/button bar/icon bar/ |
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| 21:46.51 | benJIman | to change the background colour or wallpaper type thing you need to modify the startkde script I think |
| 21:46.52 | conga | HamishTPB, it loooks a bit different :D |
| 21:47.04 | benJIman | xsetroot -solid "#C0C0C0" is in there by default here |
| 21:47.05 | main | what? |
| 21:47.07 | main | im confused |
| 21:47.10 | HamishTPB | main2: ah - I think the progress bar colour is part of the Splash Screen colour theme? |
| 21:47.14 | main | main2 isnt the same person as me |
| 21:47.23 | benJIman | main2: whatdo you mean by slider? |
| 21:47.23 | Sho_ | lol |
| 21:47.26 | main2 | benJIman, where did you find that one? |
| 21:47.28 | Sho_ | confusion ensues |
| 21:47.29 | HamishTPB | lol |
| 21:47.36 | benJIman | main2: startkde script |
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| 21:47.48 | main2 | i dunno where that things is... |
| 21:47.53 | main2 | whereis startkde... |
| 21:48.04 | HamishTPB | conga: yes but it is quite close - I *will* find it !! It will drive me mad if I don't... :D |
| 21:48.13 | conga | hahaa |
| 21:48.18 | conga | ok |
| 21:48.28 | Sho_ | There are essentially three possibilities: (a) He means the background surrounding the splash, (b) He means the background of the progress icon area in the splash screen, (c) he means the background of the progress bar widget in the splash screen |
| 21:48.29 | HamishTPB | conga: maybe not tonight though ;-) |
| 21:48.30 | PhilRod | gah, I just spent an hour trying to get emacs to work, and now I've got it working, I've forgotten what I wanted to add to the FAQ |
| 21:48.37 | conga | yes |
| 21:48.40 | HamishTPB | PhilRod: :S |
| 21:48.43 | Sho_ | (a) is defined by what benJIman is coming up with, (b) is the pixmaps of the splash, (c) is the GUI widget color scheme |
| 21:48.53 | conga | 3 more minutes :D |
| 21:48.58 | main2 | i set it to 00000 |
| 21:49.28 | main2 | black is 00000 right |
| 21:49.35 | HamishTPB | PhilRod: I have done that before - taken ages to set up an app then forgotten what I was setting it up for :/ |
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| 21:50.40 | Sho_ | PhilRod: Use vim. *runs* |
| 21:50.44 | Sho_ | SCNR :) |
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| 21:52.25 | HamishTPB | conga: have fun :D |
| 21:52.36 | conga | yeah, thanks :) |
| 21:53.06 | main2 | thnx for helping me out guys :) |
| 21:53.30 | conga | will it crash X if i put all of them in HamishTPB ? :D |
| 21:53.37 | HamishTPB | conga: there may be some older versions of stuff like "m$ core fonts" and the like - generally keep what you have installed already if there is a name conflict - unless there is a huge size difference - in which case the larger font is probably the unicode version |
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| 21:53.45 | main2 | especially benJIman |
| 21:53.51 | main2 | who came up with the solution :) |
| 21:54.03 | HamishTPB | conga: I have over 1500 installed via the KDE font installer so I would say you are safe :) |
| 21:54.21 | conga | oh |
| 21:54.28 | Blissex | HamishTPB: thats a very very bad idea for efficiency. |
| 21:54.53 | conga | hehee |
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| 21:54.54 | HamishTPB | Blissex: I haven't noticed any problems TBH |
| 21:54.58 | conga | :D |
| 21:55.03 | HamishTPB | Blissex: but I would have thought so to be honest :) |
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| 21:55.24 | conga | HamishTPB, what program you use to view those fonts? |
| 21:55.32 | HamishTPB | Blissex: I hoard them all - I could clear out loads if I was brutal :) |
| 21:55.52 | Blissex | HamishTPB: well, KDE does something to avoid problems with large numbers of fonts, by sharing font tables etc. where possible, but it is still not good. |
| 21:56.11 | HamishTPB | conga: I just use the KDE font installer or if I want to look at a specific font I load it in the KDE font viewer |
| 21:56.21 | conga | oh |
| 21:57.07 | HamishTPB | Blissex: if a font is not it use by any running app will it really matter except when I am in a font selection dialogue? If it makes a big difference to anything I probably will tidy them up |
| 21:57.52 | HamishTPB | Sho_: the KDE Font installer in the control panel is not too bad - could do with more features but it works ok |
| 21:58.00 | benJIman | youcan also install fonts with fonts:? |
| 21:58.02 | Blissex | HamishTPB: it does matter a bit, or more than a bit, depending on circumstances. If there was a font server like for X it would be OK, but KDE uses Xft2, and that loads a table of all fonts in each process. |
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| 21:58.09 | benJIman | fonts:/ |
| 21:58.10 | conga | Sho_: yeah me too |
| 21:58.12 | Blissex | Sho_: me too... |
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| 21:58.30 | benJIman | you can also easily filter with for example "fonts:/System/*bold*" |
| 21:58.31 | conga | Sho_ write one :P |
| 21:58.33 | A10n | does anyone here how to open multiple kate programs? |
| 21:58.34 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: What I'm really looking for is the ability to tag/group fonts and load/unload groups, as well as more sophisticated preview facilities |
| 21:58.40 | Blissex | Sho_: for example even the font selection dialog is pretty annoying, does not allow selecting fonts by foundry for example. |
| 21:58.56 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: Essentially what the good 'ol Adobe Type Manager did, or that nice Linotype app for OS X |
| 21:59.30 | Sho_ | Blissex: yah |
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| 21:59.50 | HamishTPB | Sho_: yeah being able to group fonts by family and stuff would be nice |
| 22:00.01 | HamishTPB | sorry - in other channels too so not keeping up :) |
| 22:00.06 | Blissex | Sho_: even worse it won't let me select whether I want a font from X11 or Fontconfig... |
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| 22:00.38 | Blissex | but the really big problem is that the whole font situation under GNU/Linux/X is hopelessly fucked. |
| 22:01.02 | Blissex | and again fortunately KDE has some countermeasures... |
| 22:01.12 | HamishTPB | Blissex: it is better than it was a few years ago IMO - largely due to KDE |
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| 22:01.55 | Blissex | HamishTPB: it is better _in KDE_. And not due to KDE. KDE's font situation is a bit better because of workarounds, not solutions, to the font problems. |
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| 22:02.19 | HamishTPB | Blissex: well - ok - fair enough |
| 22:02.32 | coetzw01 | hey |
| 22:03.20 | HamishTPB | Blissex: I haven't looked (and I can't atm because of several conversations cross-channel/cross-network) but do freedesktop.org have a stance on fonts? |
| 22:03.23 | Blissex | BTW I have a (draft) page in which I try to explain the horror of the situation: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxFonts.html |
| 22:03.28 | HamishTPB | ooh |
| 22:03.51 | Blissex | HamishTPB: the Freedesktop.org position seems to be ''worse is better'' :-) |
| 22:03.56 | HamishTPB | lol |
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| 22:04.24 | conga | let me restart x |
| 22:04.36 | Blissex | HamishTPB: dont laugh. Very responsibly and nicely KDE devels try to work with Freedesktop.org even when it makes them shake their heads... |
| 22:04.49 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: by which he refers to http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html |
| 22:04.58 | HamishTPB | oh |
| 22:05.03 | HamishTPB | it actually is called that! |
| 22:05.22 | HamishTPB | hang on - will get back to this in a few mins - will finish some other chats first :) |
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| 22:06.49 | anisX | greetings |
| 22:06.52 | anisX | morning |
| 22:07.00 | benJIman | ooh you can now mount things like fonts:/ on a directory from within konqueror |
| 22:07.05 | benJIman | http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/screenshots/konqfonts.png |
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| 22:07.42 | Sho_ | benJIman: kio_fuse |
| 22:07.45 | HamishTPB | benJIman: huh - I didn't know that |
| 22:07.47 | Sho_ | benJIman: Thought it was dead |
| 22:07.55 | benJIman | yeah, I hadn't seen the integration with konqueror though |
| 22:07.56 | Sho_ | benJIman: And that's not shipped with vanilla KDE btw |
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| 22:08.03 | Cilindrador | hello |
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| 22:08.14 | Blissex | hoewever as to fonts at least Fredesktop .org got the Vera fonts developed, and that was very much needed. |
| 22:08.32 | Sho_ | Blissex: although they do seem to be badly hinted |
| 22:08.41 | Cilindrador | ive installed ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop. how can i update Breezy all the way to 3.5.1? |
| 22:08.41 | Blissex | Sho_: they aren't hinted. |
| 22:08.48 | Sho_ | Blissex: q.e.d ;) |
| 22:08.56 | benJIman | Blissex: yeah they look rather bad compared to microsoft fonts |
| 22:08.58 | Cilindrador | what url do i need to add to the repos to make this work? |
| 22:09.14 | PhilRod | Cilindrador: best to ask in #kubuntu |
| 22:09.18 | Blissex | Sho_: sometimes I think we/KDE/... should do a collection and pay some starving font guy in some developing country to add hints to a few common freeware fonts. |
| 22:09.25 | Cilindrador | ok tks |
| 22:09.26 | Cilindrador | i will |
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| 22:10.00 | benJIman | Blissex: there are patent issues with the BCI though |
| 22:10.08 | Sho_ | Blissex: Don't underestimate the effort |
| 22:10.26 | Blissex | Sho_: it could costhow much? $100,000? |
| 22:10.26 | HamishTPB | Blissex / Sho_ I don't know about rendering fonts but I am sure it would be a good excercise to try building a font manager - I am trying to learn KDE (Qt) programming |
| 22:10.56 | Sho_ | Blissex: Much more. Microsoft Typography spent millions in the two-digit range on the new font package for Vista. |
| 22:10.58 | Blissex | Sho_: the problem with the MS web fonts is the irritanting licence. |
| 22:11.08 | HamishTPB | Blissex / Sho_ assuming that it would just involve reading a header for info anyway |
| 22:11.55 | Sho_ | Blissex: Verdana or Tahoma probably contain tens of thousands of lines of hinting code |
| 22:11.55 | HamishTPB | Sho_: wow - Verdana is one of the few m$ fonts I actually like |
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| 22:12.00 | Blissex | Sho_: but you can trick that. By supplying hand made bitmaps at the right font sizes. |
| 22:12.23 | Blissex | Sho_: in any case tens of thousands of lines is nothing to be afraid of nowadays. |
| 22:12.27 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: I thought along the same lines once, but got so scared by the font stack cruft that I gave up |
| 22:12.36 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: The KDE/Qt UI is the easy part |
| 22:12.52 | Blissex | Sho_: in part it is also the patent issues, but also the lack of availability of good TTF editors. |
| 22:12.56 | HamishTPB | Blissex: hehe - Old school the way it used to be. Did anyone here ever use TOS/GEM on the Atari - fonts were hours, days, weeks, months.. of fun |
| 22:13.21 | Blissex | Sho_: but there is another solution, to use Type1 fonts and spend more time tuning the autohinter. |
| 22:13.37 | Blissex | Sho_: for example there is a little known detail about Type1 fonts.... |
| 22:13.53 | Sho_ | Blissex: I think the best solution would be a machine that manages to make 300 dpi OLED display panels out of kitchen garbage |
| 22:14.03 | Sho_ | Blissex: If everyone had one, the autohinter would be OK |
| 22:14.13 | Sho_ | ;) |
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| 22:14.36 | Sho_ | But actually it is getting easier as display resolutions rize |
| 22:14.37 | HamishTPB | Sho_: not at the moment - I am old school - building some tutorial apps in Kdevelop was my first attempt at "modern" programming |
| 22:14.38 | Sho_ | *rise |
| 22:14.46 | Blissex | Sho_: the 'type1' rasterizer in X is not awesome, but the 'freetype' rasterizer can do both Type1 and TTF fonts, and does pretty well on the Type1 fonts. And Type1 fonts are far more common and more open than TTF. |
| 22:15.14 | Blissex | Sho_: and yes, I'd like to have one of 200DPI and more displays that some companies make. |
| 22:15.15 | Sho_ | Blissex: I do have quite a few Type1 fonts, yap |
| 22:15.25 | HamishTPB | Sho_ / Blissex - perhaps a "standard" would be better than trying to wrangle lots of formats. You know as soon as I typed that last bit I seen the flaws :P |
| 22:15.29 | benJIman | Sho_: consumer display resolutions havn't increased in 10 years |
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| 22:15.39 | Sho_ | benJIman: Not true, actually |
| 22:15.52 | Sho_ | benJIman: Many laptop screens are beyond the good ol' 90 dpi |
| 22:15.55 | Blissex | benJIman: not quite true -- laptops have it different. Easy to find 130 DPI laptops. |
| 22:16.00 | benJIman | my current monitor does about 120-150dpi , you could buy a monitor in 1995 that did that |
| 22:16.02 | Sho_ | yap, see Blissex |
| 22:16.04 | Blissex | benJIman: the problem is commercial. |
| 22:16.21 | Sho_ | benJIman: But not in the consumer class |
| 22:16.37 | benJIman | Sho_: yes, CRTs then were about that res |
| 22:16.40 | benJIman | CRTs still are |
| 22:16.43 | benJIman | nothing has improved |
| 22:16.43 | Blissex | benJIman: because MS Windows has non scalable fonts still and non scalable icons, low DPI is sold as an _advantage_. |
| 22:17.15 | Blissex | benJIman: many people think higher than 75DPI makes the screen unreadable. Thank you MS... |
| 22:17.32 | Sho_ | Blissex: Well, they do have a two-mode scale ... "Small fonts" and "Large fonts" is the selection IIRC ;) |
| 22:17.35 | benJIman | vista has SVG icons |
| 22:17.42 | anisX | what is AMOR ? on screen creature ? |
| 22:17.47 | Blissex | thats why BTW 19" LCDs are overwhelmingly 1280x1024 like 17" ones. |
| 22:17.50 | Sho_ | benJIman: Probably XAML icons really ;) |
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| 22:18.03 | HamishTPB | Blissex: yeah - last time I used a windows system I tried to scale it better and half the apps went to fook |
| 22:18.32 | benJIman | most windows apps assume 96dpi |
| 22:18.34 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: Well, KDE doesn't do much better in terms of resolution independence |
| 22:18.35 | HamishTPB | anisX: Amusing Misuse Of Resources - yes - just a silly toy |
| 22:18.36 | benJIman | I think khtml does too |
| 22:18.44 | Sho_ | The only UI that has some sort of support for that is OS Xs |
| 22:19.00 | HamishTPB | Sho_: not really played with it much, which is odd for me :) |
| 22:19.13 | Blissex | HamishTPB: ahhh but thats not quite right either, because there are little known MS Windows setting that allow people to scale a bit better than usual. But they are little known. The defaults are all that matter for most people (why is IE so popular? because it is the default) |
| 22:19.32 | Blissex | Sho_: and NeWS of course :-) |
| 22:19.52 | Sho_ | Blissex: And Fresco, and, and, and - yes ;9 |
| 22:19.54 | HamishTPB | Blissex: but when I set to an accurate dpi for my screen and res lots of apps didn't scale/redraw properly in win |
| 22:20.17 | HamishTPB | Blissex: and yes - laziness and acceptance of "default" is a huge problem :( |
| 22:20.19 | Blissex | HamishTPB: yes, thats not too good, too many use bitmaps for everything. |
| 22:20.29 | maro | benJIman: that requires root privs :) |
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| 22:20.40 | HamishTPB | Blissex: ah - I never played around enough to see what the problem was |
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| 22:20.55 | benJIman | maroowhat does? |
| 22:20.59 | benJIman | *maro |
| 22:21.11 | maro | benJIman: mounting loopback devices |
| 22:21.19 | benJIman | maro: no not with FUSE |
| 22:21.42 | benJIman | hence Filesystems in User space |
| 22:21.49 | maro | benJIman: still, I think this could be accomplished on the application level, no? |
| 22:21.52 | Sho_ | benJIman: root is in userpace, too ;-) |
| 22:22.00 | maro | (like gnome's archiver) |
| 22:22.00 | benJIman | well kio_fuse doesn't need root |
| 22:22.08 | benJIman | maro: how do you mean? |
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| 22:22.16 | maro | browsing an iso |
| 22:22.19 | Brodalco | whassup, homedawgs? |
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| 22:22.58 | Brodalco | hahah |
| 22:23.02 | Brodalco | wait |
| 22:23.11 | Brodalco | who's Cleveland Browns? |
| 22:23.14 | HamishTPB | O_O |
| 22:23.23 | HamishTPB | NFL football team in the USA |
| 22:23.26 | Brodalco | oh |
| 22:23.27 | HamishTPB | but nm |
| 22:23.28 | HamishTPB | lol |
| 22:23.34 | anisX | HamishTPB: aha thanx , i love this amor ;p |
| 22:23.34 | HamishTPB | I am not from the USA - I just like them |
| 22:23.35 | Brodalco | c'mon, this is a LINUX chatroom |
| 22:23.44 | HamishTPB | anisX: it is a great way to mess about :) |
| 22:23.44 | Brodalco | are a bunch of linux geeks going ot know about football? |
| 22:23.45 | Sho_ | maro: Well a user of FUSE is an application basically |
| 22:23.52 | Brodalco | i'm from the US |
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| 22:24.00 | anisX | HamishTPB: i choose tux now ;p |
| 22:24.10 | HamishTPB | Brodalco: yes but the Dawg thing is CLE related - end of, is off topic as you say :) |
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| 22:24.26 | maro | Sho_: sure |
| 22:24.31 | benJIman | Brodalco: it's not even football, it's some american game which they call football despite not using their feet and the ball |
| 22:24.39 | maro | but fuse is also linux-only, at least to my knowledge :) |
| 22:24.50 | maro | and we're talking about reading a file |
| 22:24.51 | benJIman | maro: kioslaves are platform independant though |
| 22:24.58 | Brodalco | ok |
| 22:25.05 | HamishTPB | benJIman - the punter and kicker use their feet (and of off-topic, honest) |
| 22:25.08 | HamishTPB | :) |
| 22:25.14 | benJIman | kio_fuse just lets non-kde linux apps use the kioslaves |
| 22:25.15 | Sho_ | maro: Ah yes ... the burden of BSD compatibility ;-) |
| 22:25.18 | maro | benJIman: what kioslave are you thinking of? :) |
| 22:25.28 | benJIman | what were you thinking of? |
| 22:25.37 | benJIman | you brought up isos, I didn't mention anything about them |
| 22:26.04 | Brodalco | i just wanted to ask a random question... would there be any point in running KDE on mac? it works well enough on Linux, but i fail to see why people like to run it on mac so much |
| 22:26.35 | Sho_ | maro: We were talking about kio_fuse, a FUSE module that can mount kioslaves. No ISOs involved yet ;-) |
| 22:26.37 | HamishTPB | Brodalco: I guess some people don't like OSX? I don't know any performance comparisons |
| 22:26.45 | maro | benJIman: hehe, it's many hours ago :) |
| 22:27.15 | maro | 17:17 < benJIman> maro: mount -o loop ./file.iso /mnt |
| 22:27.20 | maro | (I'm in CEST) |
| 22:27.31 | Sho_ | Brodalco: I simply like Apples machines. I have an iBook dual-booting OS X and Kubuntu. |
| 22:27.52 | benJIman | maro: ah you were referring to that, that was a long time ago |
| 22:28.00 | Sho_ | Brodalco: At the time I bought it, there was no 12" laptop of comparable quality in the PC space |
| 22:28.02 | maro | benJIman: yeah, sorry :) |
| 22:28.19 | benJIman | yeah I don't think there is a kioslave for browsing isos |
| 22:28.20 | Sho_ | (and there probably still isn't) |
| 22:28.43 | benJIman | Sho_: the thinkpad X series not small enough for you? |
| 22:28.46 | maro | oh well, thanks for the help anyway :) |
| 22:28.47 | HamishTPB | Sho_: Apple make excellent screens |
| 22:29.03 | Sho_ | benJIman: It's about quality, not size. The Thinkpads are out of the question due to their lack of internal optical drives. |
| 22:29.07 | Tm_T | Sho_: yeah, 12" mac lappy could be perfect to me |
| 22:29.12 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: Actually the display is the worst about the iBook |
| 22:29.13 | HamishTPB | Sho_: my old mactop (which mostly gathers dust these days) looks brilliant still |
| 22:29.17 | benJIman | Sho_: the dock has an internal optical drive |
| 22:29.17 | Sho_ | but it's ok enough |
| 22:29.23 | HamishTPB | Sho_: I have a very old mactop :) |
| 22:29.28 | benJIman | and without the dock they're tiny |
| 22:29.44 | benJIman | even with the dock they're only normal laptop size |
| 22:29.48 | benJIman | if not smaller |
| 22:30.01 | Sho_ | benJIman: i don't want to frill with a dock, I want a self-contained unit. I hate nothing more than carrying around a number of peripherals to get functionality I feel is essential. |
| 22:30.11 | Sho_ | benJIman: Hence, the 12" iBook really floats my boat ;-) |
| 22:30.16 | maro | my X23 have survived 3 years of abuse pretty well :) |
| 22:30.19 | wasynyt-asleep | what about the price? ibook goes for ~1000 |
| 22:30.48 | Sho_ | yeah, the Thinkpads aren't exactly on the cheap side either |
| 22:31.02 | benJIman | can get x31 for arround £400 now |
| 22:31.07 | benJIman | which are pretty fast |
| 22:31.56 | wasynyt-asleep | hmm |
| 22:32.02 | maro | wow, the new X60 looks sweet |
| 22:32.25 | maro | Intel Core Duo 1,66GHz - it's almost a Mac! ;) |
| 22:32.46 | Sho_ | without the optical drive *trolls* ;) |
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| 22:33.30 | Sho_ | Looks like Apple will introduce some new Intel-based iBooks rather soon on their 30th birthday. |
| 22:34.54 | wasynyt-asleep | when will it be (birtday) |
| 22:35.07 | Cilindrador | those guys keep introducing stuff every other damn week |
| 22:35.17 | Sho_ | wasynyt-asleep: April 1st I think (yeah, strange date) |
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| 22:35.21 | Cilindrador | that are never >that< new |
| 22:35.25 | wasynyt-asleep | :) |
| 22:37.18 | HamishTPB | mac-talk seems to have killed the channel :) |
| 22:38.48 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: they all browsed to the macbook pro page and are now wondering where to get the money |
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| 22:39.28 | HamishTPB | Sho_: lol |
| 22:41.35 | pulsar84 | Hi. Anyone here using superkaramba? |
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| 22:44.14 | HamishTPB | Sho_: I might as well read that webpage from earlier now then - see Blissex's take on things... |
| 22:44.38 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: yap .. |
| 22:45.06 | HamishTPB | :) |
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| 22:59.12 | ryanoe | Anyone in here have problems installing the webmin RPM via yum in Fedora Core 4? |
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| 22:59.50 | pinotree | ryanoe: bad channel here, ask in #fedora |
| 23:00.50 | crlouis | very newbie escaping windows environment |
| 23:02.08 | crlouis | can any one help me how to configure eth0 as static? |
| 23:02.39 | StevenR | crlouis: ask in your distro's channel, that's not kde related really :) |
| 23:02.47 | HamishTPB | crlouis: the best place to ask that is in a channel where others use the same distro (e.g. #gentoo, #ubuntu etc) |
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| 23:04.50 | crlouis | stupid question how do i hop on #knoppix from here? |
| 23:05.06 | HamishTPB | Blissex: reading your article atm - but I am still not clear on one thing - does having a lot of fonts in the system at all cause any performance hit? I use a lot of fonts for DTP projects (I usually stick to something like your guidelines for screen fonts and only have one or two for that) |
| 23:05.14 | HamishTPB | crlouis: /join #knoppix |
| 23:05.16 | StevenR | crlouis: /join #knoppix |
| 23:05.18 | HamishTPB | lol |
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| 23:05.34 | StevenR | HamishTPB: SNAP!! I WIN :P |
| 23:06.08 | HamishTPB | Blissex: I don't mind slight slowdown in a font menu or whatever because I want the choice - but is having them on the system at all causing a problem? |
| 23:06.10 | crlouis | thanks! |
| 23:06.13 | HamishTPB | StevenR: Yeah :) |
| 23:06.14 | fatejudger | is there a way to have one kicker panel transparent and the other one not? |
| 23:06.15 | Blissex | HamishTPB: there are three memory impacts... |
| 23:06.36 | Blissex | HamishTPB: 1) all configured fonts are listed in a single in memory table. |
| 23:07.00 | Blissex | HamishTPB: 2) fonts that get actually used in any way have their descriptors loaded too, never removed. |
| 23:08.40 | Blissex | HamishTPB: 3) rendered glyphs are cached, and the cache is per process and fixed size. Which means that if you _use_ lots of fonts they compete heavily for the font cache. |
| 23:09.18 | Blissex | HamishTPB: actually I suspect that at least in some versions of FontConfig/Xft2 all font descriptors are loaded at the start. |
| 23:09.35 | HamishTPB | so my main problem in "everyday" use is number 1 - for each font installed I am using xKB per font just to index the list somewhere? |
| 23:09.59 | HamishTPB | Blissex: and when I start using a font based app I get hit by 2 and 3 |
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| 23:10.15 | HamishTPB | Blissex: e.g. Scribus |
| 23:10.15 | Blissex | HamishTPB: well, with KDE it is a bit different. |
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| 23:11.09 | morexyz | hi, how does konqueror substitutes fonts? |
| 23:11.13 | Blissex | HamishTPB: in theory what I say above is _per process_. Each process has its own copy of all the font data: a completely copy of the font table, and then of the descriptor, and then of glyphs. |
| 23:12.10 | HamishTPB | Blissex: so the fact that I can choose any of my numerous fonts for e.g. my IRC client (kvirc) is adding to the memory use of the application? |
| 23:12.38 | Hokinon | Hi peeps how do I change the kdm login theme? |
| 23:12.54 | Blissex | HamishTPB: again for KDE it is a bit different. The default however is that each app loads a copy of the complete font table, etc. |
| 23:13.19 | Blissex | HamishTPB: the complete font table is the list of all fonts in all directories listed in '/etc/*.conf' |
| 23:13.40 | HamishTPB | Blissex: ok - so using KDE and Kapps a lot means I *am* adding that overhead? |
| 23:13.48 | Blissex | HamishTPB: KDE does things a bit differently (that is much better) if you use 'kdeinit' and 'kwrapper' |
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| 23:16.40 | HamishTPB | Hokinon: in the control centre>System Administration>Login Manager |
| 23:17.11 | Hokinon | where do I put a theme I've downloaded? |
| 23:17.25 | HamishTPB | oh |
| 23:17.26 | HamishTPB | erm |
| 23:17.29 | HamishTPB | pass |
| 23:17.29 | HamishTPB | lol |
| 23:17.34 | Hokinon | :D |
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| 23:17.51 | HamishTPB | I would have thought themes came with install instructions |
| 23:17.52 | HamishTPB | lol |
| 23:18.02 | Hokinon | hmm me too :/ |
| 23:18.32 | HamishTPB | Hokinon: I am afraid I have to pass on that |
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| 23:18.47 | HamishTPB | hang around though - there are smart people here too ;-) |
| 23:18.59 | Hokinon | np I'll search the configs |
| 23:19.47 | morexyz | oh |
| 23:19.51 | morexyz | you are talking about fonts too |
| 23:20.02 | morexyz | im having issue with rendering web pages:) |
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| 23:20.32 | morexyz | i have installed microsoft fonts, and configured to use them, but this does not help |
| 23:21.33 | HamishTPB | morexyz: you need to be more specific as to what the problem is |
| 23:21.39 | morexyz | ok |
| 23:21.45 | morexyz | ill post a screenshot of konqueror |
| 23:21.50 | HamishTPB | k |
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| 23:22.18 | morexyz | http://tinypic.com/s6n6df.png |
| 23:22.20 | morexyz | here |
| 23:22.25 | HamishTPB | lookinh |
| 23:22.26 | HamishTPB | looking |
| 23:22.31 | morexyz | but, this is configured to use Arial, hehe |
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| 23:22.52 | morexyz | I dont seem to have a problem like that in Firefox |
| 23:23.02 | morexyz | not sure if this is machine-wide, or limited in scope to konqueror |
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| 23:23.49 | HamishTPB | just trying it in my Konqueror to see |
| 23:24.19 | HamishTPB | hmmn |
| 23:24.40 | HamishTPB | not much better - could be bad coding in the webpage / css - maybe the presume some odd font is available? |
| 23:24.55 | morexyz | perhaps |
| 23:25.09 | HamishTPB | I have to admit that firefox does often render more nicely than Konq |
| 23:25.10 | HamishTPB | but |
| 23:25.17 | morexyz | but this is an easy way out ;) |
| 23:25.23 | HamishTPB | I would not go back to the lack of features by comparison |
| 23:25.26 | morexyz | it looks pretty good on benJImans konq ;) |
| 23:25.31 | HamishTPB | morexyz: I am all for easy ways out :P |
| 23:25.37 | HamishTPB | hang |
| 23:25.47 | fatejudger | the new KHTML renders better than Gecko IMO |
| 23:25.49 | HamishTPB | morexyz: hang on and I will post a screenie of mine |
| 23:25.53 | morexyz | k |
| 23:25.58 | fatejudger | they've made some HUGE improvements lately |
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| 23:26.03 | fatejudger | in performance and rendering |
| 23:26.19 | morexyz | apple patches? |
| 23:26.29 | fatejudger | morexyz: maybe for the rendering |
| 23:26.30 | morexyz | HamishTPB: check this out http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/soundclick.png |
| 23:26.33 | fatejudger | morexyz: but I doubt for the performance |
| 23:26.47 | fatejudger | morexyz: I've been really happy with the direction they've been taking KHTML |
| 23:27.10 | fatejudger | KDE is really shaping up to be a great DE, hopefully some great XGL related customization will come about soon |
| 23:27.36 | HamishTPB | morexyz: was that benJIman's? |
| 23:27.46 | morexyz | yes |
| 23:27.49 | morexyz | he posted that |
| 23:27.53 | HamishTPB | http://www.pbmm.net/gfx/screenie.png |
| 23:28.13 | HamishTPB | benJIman - you around? |
| 23:28.19 | benJIman | yes |
| 23:28.22 | HamishTPB | ah |
| 23:28.41 | HamishTPB | benJIman what font/encoding was that screenie on? |
| 23:28.59 | benJIman | that's arial with no antialiasing, using the bytecode interpreter |
| 23:29.10 | HamishTPB | oh |
| 23:29.14 | morexyz | benJIman: the conf u gave me |
| 23:29.18 | morexyz | where do i plug it into :) ? |
| 23:29.23 | benJIman | ~/.fonts.conf |
| 23:29.29 | morexyz | i tried replacing fonts.conf with it, that blew up my machine:) |
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| 23:29.40 | morexyz | ok, so some adjustments are neccesary then. |
| 23:29.44 | HamishTPB | benJIman sorry to be thick but "bytecode interpreter"? |
| 23:30.18 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: The code that interprets the hinting code in the TTF files |
| 23:30.24 | benJIman | HamishTPB: renders truetype fonts using the bytecode interpreter which reads the hints in the fonts, it has patent issues though, most distros disable it by default |
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| 23:30.50 | HamishTPB | Sho_ / benJIman - is a setting in xorg.conf then? |
| 23:30.57 | benJIman | no |
| 23:31.04 | benJIman | what distro are you using HamishTPB ? |
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| 23:31.07 | HamishTPB | gentoo |
| 23:31.17 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: No, a compile time option in Freetype |
| 23:31.20 | benJIman | HamishTPB: if you took that screenshot it looks like you're using it allready |
| 23:31.22 | HamishTPB | Sho_: ah |
| 23:31.22 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: Actually you need to modify a header IIRC |
| 23:31.36 | HamishTPB | benJIman the one at pbmm.net? that is mine |
| 23:31.37 | Sho_ | HamishTPB: They make it rather difficult to enable it due to the patent issues |
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| 23:31.57 | morexyz | ur screenshot is pretty good, Hamish |
| 23:31.59 | benJIman | Sho_: the novell legal people seem to think it's ok interestingly |
| 23:31.59 | morexyz | compared to mine, hehe |
| 23:32.00 | simian__ | is openoffice gtk2? |
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| 23:32.10 | benJIman | HamishTPB: it looks like you're allready using it, your screenshot is pretty good |
| 23:32.16 | HamishTPB | benJIman OK |
| 23:32.33 | fatejudger | simian__: I think OpenOffice uses GTK 1 |
| 23:32.45 | fatejudger | simian__: you don't use KOffice? |
| 23:33.08 | benJIman | speaking of fonts, koffice has some real font issues |
| 23:33.09 | HamishTPB | in that case the only clue I have for morexyz is that I must have at one time set that option when I installed freetype :) |
| 23:33.13 | morexyz | benJIman: could it be that i am missing a package? |
| 23:33.15 | simian__ | i was thinking about, until recently i've been a gnome guy |
| 23:33.17 | fatejudger | benJIman: what?? |
| 23:33.18 | benJIman | kerning is terrible in koffice |
| 23:33.29 | fatejudger | benJIman: KOffice 1.5 Beta 2? |
| 23:33.32 | positivo | NEGUINHA |
| 23:33.34 | benJIman | morexyz: I don't know why yours is breaking |
| 23:33.38 | benJIman | fatejudger: yes |
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| 23:33.44 | fatejudger | benJIman: it's working wonderfully for me |
| 23:33.47 | fatejudger | benJIman: Dapper? |
| 23:33.54 | benJIman | no |
| 23:33.56 | fatejudger | benJIman: or some other distro's builds? |
| 23:33.58 | benJIman | it was the same in the last version of koffice |
| 23:34.07 | benJIman | someone said it was a Qt3 issue |
| 23:34.08 | simian__ | is koffice as good as openoffice? |
| 23:34.12 | fatejudger | benJIman: I have no fonts issues |
| 23:34.17 | fatejudger | simian__: better IMO |
| 23:34.25 | benJIman | fatejudger: even in the output they're terrible |
| 23:34.26 | fatejudger | simian__: it can do everything OpenOffice can and more |
| 23:34.37 | fatejudger | benJIman: there's something wrong with your build then |
| 23:34.42 | fatejudger | benJIman: because mine has no problems |
| 23:34.45 | Sho_ | simian__: It doesn't have the same level of functionality, but it's faster, and better integrated with KDE |
| 23:34.53 | benJIman | fatejudger: perhaps you're not noticing it |
| 23:35.03 | HamishTPB | benJIman could you post a screenie and I can test a similar phrase to test the kerning? |
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| 23:35.11 | fatejudger | benJIman: noticing font problems? |
| 23:35.16 | fatejudger | benJIman: wouldn't that be completely clear? |
| 23:35.25 | simian__ | fatejudger: Sho_ : indtalling it now |
| 23:35.35 | simian__ | *installing |
| 23:35.35 | fatejudger | Sho_: it has far better functionality |
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| 23:36.01 | fatejudger | Sho_: OOo doesn't even have a WYSIWYG equation editor |
| 23:36.12 | morexyz | it doesnt? |
| 23:36.13 | benJIman | koffice does many things nicer |
| 23:36.14 | Sho_ | fatejudger: I disagree, but then I don't need much either |
| 23:36.22 | benJIman | and has a much nicer UI |
| 23:36.31 | Sho_ | fatejudger: For the record, I'm very happy with KOffice |
| 23:36.34 | benJIman | but doesn't do everything and has font issues |
| 23:36.34 | fatejudger | benJIman: agreed, the UI is far more functional |
| 23:36.48 | fatejudger | name one thing that OpenOffice does and KOffice doesn't |
| 23:36.58 | HamishTPB | yeah - I got fed up of OOo and recently dumped it and I am trying KOffice at the moment - not that I use office apps that much. |
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| 23:37.18 | fatejudger | OOo is really bloated |
| 23:37.25 | fatejudger | and isn't modular, so it has to load a bunch of its own stuff |
| 23:37.29 | fatejudger | which hogs up RAM |
| 23:37.30 | HamishTPB | yes |
| 23:37.42 | morexyz | i use msoffice under wine |
| 23:37.46 | HamishTPB | last compile took me about a whole day |
| 23:37.53 | fatejudger | apparently KOffice is about 1 million lines of code, and OpenOffice is 7 million |
| 23:37.56 | HamishTPB | morexyz: stop swearing please! :P |
| 23:38.00 | fatejudger | so quite a difference |
| 23:38.07 | morexyz | why is that swearing? |
| 23:38.11 | morexyz | i need production quality. |
| 23:38.11 | fatejudger | not only that, KOffice has more programs in their Office suite |
| 23:38.18 | HamishTPB | morexyz: was just a joke... |
| 23:38.26 | morexyz | i do presentations in front of many people, i need to look serious:) |
| 23:38.52 | fatejudger | morexyz: MS Office is by far the most stable in the more unused feature department |
| 23:39.12 | fatejudger | morexyz: equation editor and MS Access are still leaders in MS Office |
| 23:39.23 | HamishTPB | morexyz: I personally don't find anything in msoffice better but as I said I don't use office apps that deeply so maybe there are features I am unaware of. I find the KOffice presentation app pretty good though |
| 23:39.27 | morexyz | yes, their equation editor is handy |
| 23:39.35 | Sho_ | fatejudger: Table of Contents generation is much better in Writer than in KWord, for example |
| 23:39.41 | simian__ | can koffice use msoffice formats? |
| 23:39.47 | morexyz | somewhat, simian |
| 23:39.48 | benJIman | yes |
| 23:39.50 | fatejudger | simian__: yes |
| 23:39.51 | morexyz | simple stuff work ok |
| 23:39.53 | fatejudger | simian__: it can read .doc |
| 23:39.55 | Blissex | fatejudger: MS Acces is not bad, but Kexi is not that bad either. But Amaya also has a very good MathML equation editor. |
| 23:40.03 | fatejudger | Kexi is great |
| 23:40.09 | fatejudger | but it doesn't have very good printable output |
| 23:40.16 | fatejudger | as far as report generation goes |
| 23:40.29 | HamishTPB | benJIman - can you supply some text to test the kerning problem you were describing? |
| 23:40.55 | Sho_ | fatejudger: Mail merge is another |
| 23:41.02 | Blissex | fatejudger: well yes, MS Office is a more polished (and a lot, a lot faster) than most opensource alternatives. |
| 23:41.17 | HamishTPB | I have to admit on a quick test it is not great so far in KWord |
| 23:41.18 | benJIman | fatejudger: here is pdf output from oowriter http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/~bw/oowriter.pdf and here is the same text output from kword http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/~bw/koffice.pdf spot the difference? |
| 23:41.26 | fatejudger | Blissex: I wouldn't say it's faster |
| 23:41.32 | fatejudger | Blissex: especially compared to KOffice |
| 23:41.42 | fatejudger | Blissex: boot time and feature execution are about the same |
| 23:41.42 | HamishTPB | benJIman yikes |
| 23:41.45 | Blissex | fatejudger: it is way, way faster and with a much smaller footprint. |
| 23:42.26 | fatejudger | Blissex: KOffice is modular though, so it inherently has a small footprint |
| 23:42.34 | fatejudger | benJIman: yeah, I see it |
| 23:42.40 | fatejudger | benJIman: I don't output to PDF, so I must not have noticed |
| 23:42.41 | simian__ | Blissex: small footprint, do you mean uses less memory? |
| 23:42.49 | benJIman | fatejudger: any print output is the same |
| 23:42.50 | Blissex | fatejudger: in theory, in practice it is still a lot, a lot bigger. |
| 23:42.57 | Blissex | simian__: yes... |
| 23:43.03 | benJIman | fatejudger: I usually compose in kword and start oowriter to output |
| 23:43.11 | Blissex | fatejudger: wait a sec for some amusing numbers I collected. |
| 23:43.13 | Sho_ | fatejudger: Now you're ignoring me? ;) |
| 23:43.17 | fatejudger | Blissex: maybe now in QT 3 |
| 23:43.22 | fatejudger | Sho_: no, sorry |
| 23:43.28 | fatejudger | Sho_: I just didn't see your message |
| 23:43.34 | benJIman | fatejudger: apparently the bug is in Qt3's postscript output |
| 23:43.45 | benJIman | fatejudger: scribus uses its own and doesn't suffer from the issue |
| 23:43.56 | fatejudger | benJIman: QT 4 is far more advanced |
| 23:44.00 | benJIman | indeed |
| 23:44.02 | fatejudger | benJIman: as far as text and graphics output goes |
| 23:44.06 | benJIman | but koffice isn't ported yet |
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| 23:44.11 | fatejudger | benJIman: they shouldn't have any of these problems in the future |
| 23:44.13 | fatejudger | benJIman: yeah, I know |
| 23:44.14 | benJIman | indeed |
| 23:44.17 | benJIman | but the future is not now :( |
| 23:44.23 | fatejudger | benJIman: and KDE 4 is not due for awhile |
| 23:44.36 | fatejudger | benJIman: I can't stand how they have no information on it and no roadmap |
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| 23:44.46 | fatejudger | benJIman: all of this secrecy bugs me |
| 23:44.53 | benJIman | fatejudger: noone knows, it's not secrecy |
| 23:45.04 | fatejudger | benJIman: it IS secrecy |
| 23:45.07 | fatejudger | benJIman: the plasma people know |
| 23:45.12 | benJIman | fatejudger: when it's progressed to a stage where a roadmap can be predicted at all accurately there will be a roadmap |
| 23:45.14 | fatejudger | benJIman: as do most of the main coders |
| 23:45.25 | HamishTPB | fatejudger: I think keeping quiet when there is not a very full picture is better than letting imaginations run riot |
| 23:45.37 | fatejudger | they just don't want people copying the interface in KDE 3 |
| 23:45.39 | benJIman | fatejudger: noone knows the roadmap |
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| 23:47.28 | Steven_M | Is anyone here runnng a 64-bit version of kde? |
| 23:48.25 | Blissex | fatejudger: lots of numbers and links on office apps: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno05-4th.html#051030 the referenced OOo test is also informative. |
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| 23:49.13 | Blissex | fatejudger: another interesting detail: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno05-4th.html#051014 |
| 23:49.21 | simian__ | i don't suppose anyone knows of any problems at the moment with koffice in kubuntu dapper? |
| 23:49.36 | fatejudger | simian__: use KOffice beta 2 |
| 23:49.38 | fatejudger | simian__: and you should be fine |
| 23:49.47 | fatejudger | simian__: there's a repo on kubuntu.org |
| 23:49.49 | Blissex | Steven_M: lots of people do, I just tried it yesterday with kanotix on my new Athlon 64 |
| 23:50.19 | simian__ | fatejudger: thanks |
| 23:51.15 | fatejudger | simian__: np |
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| 23:52.14 | Steven_M | Blissex: do you have any problem with programs not appearing on the task bar? |
| 23:52.31 | t35t0r | is there a graphical udev setup application being worked on with kcontrol? |
| 23:53.02 | Blissex | Steven_M: I am currently running 32 bit, but it seemed OK at the time. Note that there are several taskbar options for choosing which ones appear or not. |
| 23:55.04 | Blissex | t35t0r: 'udev' is still a bit unstable, and also I suspect it is part of a job-security-through-obscurity strategy. |
| 23:55.15 | t35t0r | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 23:55.27 | t35t0r | job security through obscurity?!! |
| 23:55.30 | t35t0r | are you kidding me |
| 23:55.53 | t35t0r | Blissex, are you a kde dev? |
| 23:56.22 | Blissex | t35t0r: no, but let's say I am a developer in general. And one that stupidly does not practice that principle. |
| 23:56.51 | t35t0r | so you think you should be practicing that principple? |
| 23:57.20 | Blissex | t35t0r: if I were not an idiot I should :-) Employers reward it very well. |
| 23:58.00 | t35t0r | hah ok .. whatever man i'm checking sf.net |
