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00:00.06sizaintLinux IA64
00:00.06sizaintLatest Version: 1.0-5336
00:00.08sizaintArchive
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00:00.10sizaintLinux AMD64/EM64T
00:00.12sizaintLatest Version: 1.0-8178
00:00.14sizaintArchive  - which one is for ahtlon 64..?
00:01.36GraveDiggerwhich company produces the athlon processors?
00:01.57caffeiAMD
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00:02.08GraveDiggercaffei: i meant sizaint
00:02.14sizaintAMD :p
00:02.31GraveDiggersizaint: great, now... can you read?
00:02.32sizaintis IA for intel?
00:02.33GraveDiggeroO
00:02.42GraveDiggerIntel Architecture
00:02.43caffeiIA stands for Intel Architecture, yeah
00:02.44GraveDiggerindeed
00:03.06GraveDiggerbut em64t is also an intel thingy
00:03.43sizaintwell thats what i didnt know about
00:03.44caffeiIA64 generally refers to the Itanic... erm, Itanium.  EM64T refers to the AMD64-compatible Pentium 4 processors.
00:03.57GraveDiggeritanium
00:04.22caffeiI prefer Itanic, personally ;)
00:04.46GraveDiggeri prefer "bröselware"
00:04.48GraveDiggerbut who cares?
00:04.52GraveDiggerits name IS itanium
00:04.54GraveDiggerperiod
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00:10.05infotek411does anyone know where to get calendars for U.S. holidays in korganizer
00:10.34infotek411does anyone know where to get calendars for U.S. holidays in korganizer
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00:12.10napoleaoanyone know which packet allows you to have a laptop battery in the taskbar?
00:12.37pinotreenapoleao: klaptopdaemon
00:12.42pinotreeit's in kdeutils
00:13.34napoleaoI have tht installed
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00:13.42napoleaobut nothng appears
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00:20.55Virtualhow do I install a font with KDE if I have the .ttf file ?
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00:24.55SimAtWorkVirtual: kcontrol
00:25.09SimAtWorkthen system admin, font installer
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01:27.43ErtainWhere are cursor themes stored in the home directory?
01:28.00fredrikh.icons/
01:28.15ErtainAh, thank you.
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01:35.09sdzHow do you manually save a KDE Session?  (I know I've seen it, just can't find it when I need to)
01:35.22BreadDCC SEND 012345678912345
01:35.27bkudriasdz, kmenu, at the bottom
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01:36.04sdz... too obvious... thanks
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01:36.16bkudria:)
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01:36.37scroogehey
01:36.46bkudriahi
01:37.05scroogeanyone use kde with Xgl?
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01:40.12Shirakawasunais there a better kde irc program than ksirc?
01:40.23Shirakawasunax-chat has the best functionality, but is pretty ugly in kde
01:41.18bkudriascrooge, nope...but there is a guide
01:41.31bkudriascrooge, honestly, it sounded like a pain in the ass
01:41.39scroogeagreed
01:41.42scroogeits too gnomish atm
01:41.43scrooge:/
01:41.55bkudriaShirakawasuna, i believe konversation is what all the cool people use
01:42.02scroogekonvi is pretty cool
01:42.23bkudriascrooge, no, no, it worked fine in kde, the process was just too involved for my taste.  too much compiling :)
01:42.28Shirakawasunakonversation?  I'll find it!
01:42.30bkudriascrooge, i like official packages
01:42.38scroogeo. well i use gentoo so heh
01:42.41scroogecompiling isnt a problem
01:42.50scroogegetting it to work with kdm kinda is tho >_<
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01:46.42bulio|having a problem
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01:46.54bulio|<PROTECTED>
01:46.54bulio|<bulio|> then slackware went nuts
01:46.54bulio|<bulio|> it seemed fine
01:46.54bulio|<bulio|> then KDE couldn't find bash, or any executables
01:47.02bulio|now it won't even start
01:47.41bkudriaerr, you broke it...
01:47.48bkudriai'd ask in #slackware
01:47.50bulio|ok
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01:48.05bkudriawow, that was easy
01:48.08scroogeheh
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01:52.07lampshadeanyone use kweather applet
01:52.30lampshadenone of the cities I want to use with are working or something
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02:04.30Ze_Misnt possible to have ksim without acting as panel and without resing windows?
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02:26.26Dhraakellianis there any way to restrict upload bandwidth per torrent in ktorrent?
02:27.36DhraakellianI don't want to upload very much more on it, but I'm not getting the last little bit.
02:27.51Dhraakellianmeanwhile, I have another torrent running that I don't want capped as severely
02:28.39Dhraakellianand I don't want half of my upload going to the one that's holding out on me after I've uploaded so much
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02:39.49scroogelol
02:40.50Shirakawasunaah, konversation is much nicer
02:41.13scroogeDhraakellian, hey
02:41.16scroogeweird part is:
02:41.16scroogehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTorrent
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02:41.26scroogenumber 1 feature= Upload speed capping, to control use of a connection's bandwidth
02:41.27scroogeheh
02:42.04Dhraakellianyeah, it can cap bandwidth overall, but not for individual torrents
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02:42.47sunruhi
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02:43.08sunruwhats a kde based frontend to sending faxes via hylafax? perhaps a kprinter module?
02:43.32sunrualso im noticing media:/camera doesnt work but camera:/ does.
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03:00.31Shirakawasunawould someone mind saying my nick?  I'd like to see if konverstation automatically highlights it
03:01.20tech9inerapp like cabextract with a gui / front-end anyone Please ?
03:01.26fredrikhShirakawasuna: sorry, can't help you ;)
03:01.37Shirakawasunafredrikh: cool, it works
03:01.39Shirakawasunawoo!
03:02.19Dhraakellianwhen konvi gets a vertical tabbar or channel treeview...
03:02.46tech9inerNOT before my wishlist feature autoreplace now mates..
03:02.49tech9iner;]]
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03:03.10tech9inerkonvi needs autoreplace.. 1st lol
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03:04.54tech9inerany takers Please on an app like cabextract with a gui / front-end...
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03:25.13Shirakawasunaif only vlc had a kde interface
03:26.21caffeiit had one, but it was discontinued
03:26.51caffeivlc sucks anyways; you should be using a xine frontend such as kaffeine :D
03:27.22greppervlc is probably the best for playing dvd with menu etc
03:27.42caffeihm, dvd menus have worked for a while in xine, afaik
03:27.55qupadaxine is the best dvd player if you want menu support, vlc is close second
03:28.54qupadai just use the standard "xine-ui" though, does a perfectly adequate job
03:29.32grepperI didn't find that, as I said above
03:30.27qupadaeach to their own.  i have the latest "stable" version of both, xine crashes a lot less, and the interface is, in my opinion, nicer
03:30.57sunruvideolan client?
03:31.15sunruyes xine is very good.
03:31.41sunrudont like kmplayer and kaffiene frontends.
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03:32.23qupadahparker: i don't mind kmplayer, but i like xine-ui because i can hide the play controls and just have a video window
03:34.59sunruumm yeh
03:35.50qupadadamn tab completion
03:36.02qupadain fact damn irssi
03:36.08qupadabeen annoying me today
03:41.51Dhraakellian"The Narn Regime can go to Hell!  The Centaurum can go to Hell!  And you, Vir, you can go to Hell too.  I wouldn't want you to feel left out!"
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03:58.44bsimsI don't have the copy-to or move to actions when in konquerors file manager mode... can someone help me
03:59.31bsimsheh ok now its there
04:01.57sunruDhraakellian: B5?
04:03.03Dhraakellianyes
04:06.15sunru:)
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04:12.08ninjaktttydoes anyone have any expirence with a xinerama setup?
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04:48.55SJrHmmmm when I try to switch themes in KDE it 'effs' up.
04:48.59SJrand I have to restart my session
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04:49.08SJrotherwise it looks like a mismash of both themes.
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05:17.54sunruhttp://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118167
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05:28.44islamguide_comhow do i get all my mouse buttons to work?
05:30.24mobtektry pressing them
05:30.44CHodappislamguide_com, which buttons aren't working?
05:31.05mainhmmm
05:31.14islamguide_comthe side buttons
05:31.15maindoes anyone know what happened to kecko?
05:31.22islamguide_comand the bottom scroll wheel
05:31.23mainu know, the effort of porting gecko to kde
05:32.11islamguide_comhttp://www.a4tech.com/en/product2.asp?CID=1&SCID=8&MNO=WOP-35
05:32.15islamguide_comtts my mouse
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05:39.17islamguide_comi tried using this guide
05:39.17islamguide_comislamguide_com http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Mouse+Buttons&back=HOWTO+INDEX+Hardware
05:39.24islamguide_comfor some weird reason my mouse totally screw up when i followed the section edit ur xorg.conf file
05:44.07sunruxev
05:44.09sunruuse that
05:45.23sunruOption        "Buttons" "<insertnumber of buttons>"
05:45.59sunruOption        "ZAxisMapping" "<upscrollbutton> <downscrollbutton>"
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06:00.33illogic-alI have found the solution to kompmgr slowing up X everynow an then!
06:00.49aseigonot running it? ;)
06:00.51illogic-alA cron job that kills kompmgr every couple of hours (say 6hrs or so)
06:00.54aseigozing!
06:01.00aseigonice
06:01.04illogic-alworks quite well since kompmgr just restarts itself :-)
06:01.20aseigosounds like a resource leak of some sort
06:01.24illogic-alyah
06:01.39aseigothe new comp mgr is supposed to be quite a bit nicer
06:01.43illogic-almakes X use up cpu cycles, kompmgr itself seems "OK"
06:01.50illogic-alooooh.
06:02.05illogic-alS'thing to look forward to.
06:04.46illogic-althank you kcron. and with that. I'm off!
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06:08.40illogic-alnote to self: don't run GL apps like the screensaver along with kompmgr...
06:11.02qupadaillogic-al: crashes X?
06:11.22qupadai had that problem a few times, so transparency said goodbye
06:12.13illogic-alqupada, yeah. I don't need GL till I start playing games. and cedega isn't set up on this new install yet :-)
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06:13.11fredEanything like Firefox's Greasemonkey available for Konqueror? http://greasemonkey.mozdev.org/
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06:27.07marburgdoes konqueror have a config file?
06:27.11Greygah! are you kidding me?! http://www.konqueror.org/faq/#WhydoesKonquerorcrashoneverypagewithFlash
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06:30.15Greyis that still true?
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06:30.43caffeiGrey, macromedia's flash plugin is working fine here (KDE 3.5, Ubuntu dapper)
06:31.20Greyok... I'm having problems with it segfaulting and crashing everytime I open a page with flash, using KDE 3.5, and trying to get it working on a slax-live CD
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06:32.32caffeiGrey, what flash version? 7.0 r61 here
06:32.43Greythe 7.0,
06:33.06caffei7.0 rwhat?
06:33.13Greysince it's a live cd, I just copied the flashplayer.xpt and flashplayer.so into the /usr/lib/netscape/plugins directory,
06:33.26Greyjust 7.0 linux... let me check the readme's
06:33.43Grey7.0.61.0
06:33.49caffeihmm, weird
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06:34.18caffeiah, 3.5.1 here
06:34.27caffeinot sure whether or not that should matter though
06:36.55caffeiGrey, try the ubuntu dapper flight4 livecd, perhaps
06:37.05caffeihttp://www.ubuntu.com/testing/flight4
06:37.26caffeinot sure whether or not there's an kubuntu livecd
06:37.28Greydoes it have the flash4 plugin, and some video plugins for konq/firefox?
06:37.31caffei*updated
06:37.38caffeiGrey, no idea
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06:37.50Greyall gnome?
06:37.59caffeiyeah.. scratch that
06:38.40caffeiaha, there should be a Kubuntu livecd
06:38.43caffeihttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-February/000050.html
06:39.09caffeistill, no idea whether or not it comes with flash
06:39.19caffeiI'm guessing that it doesn't
06:39.48Greyyeah, doubtful, I think there would be licensing concern's with distributing it,
06:40.06caffeimight be possible to apt-get install it, but I'm not sure
06:40.23caffei(you can with an installed system, though)
06:40.37GreyA friend's harddrive died, so I've had him running on a slax-live CD for the last two week's, He loves it, (Shocked the crap out of me, he's a computer idiot, butI guess this proves Linux can handle itself on the desktop)
06:41.11Greythe only problem is media support, it won't play flash, or any embedded video, (he's dying to see the new x3 trailer)
06:42.26caffeiGrey, can you test firefox? that may work
06:42.38Greyno firefox on the live cd currently :P
06:43.47caffeihrm... wish I could tell you what fixed the flash plugin in konqueror on my dapper inst, but I have no idea :o
06:44.14Greyeh, no problemo
06:44.30GreyI'm using VMWare to test, so it only takes a minute or two to rebuild the ISO with a few different modules and try it out
06:44.57Greythe only thing that bugs me, is under vmware, I can only run it at 640x480 without installing vmware-tools, which I can't do on the Live CD :P
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06:59.57marburgim trying to remove a font (because it's illegible), but it's not in the "Font Installer" list. What can I do? :S
07:01.06Greyw00t, got it working, looks like flashplayer.so requires libdv or something? I dunno, I had to install libdv to get mplayer working, and it appears flash just started working.
07:01.29Greyis there a config file I can set, to tell konq to output sound through artsdp?
07:04.36caffeiGrey, konqueror does I think, but the flash plugin doesn't
07:05.05GreyI know, actually flash is working even with sound,
07:05.12GreyI was just wondering, for other programs yeah?
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07:06.27caffeiGrey, every KDE app is probably aRts-aware, but for the rest they either need an option or you have to run the prog with 'artsdsp whatever'
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07:07.31caffeithe best solution is to just use a sound card that can handle hardware mixing =)
07:07.56caffeithen it doesn't matter whether apps output to artsd or not
07:08.20Greyeh, I have no idea what he's using,
07:08.52caffeiwell, you're in for a lot of hackery if his sound card can't handle multiple apps accessing /dev/dsp at once
07:09.22Greyeh,
07:09.30Greywe'll find out :P
07:10.35Greyah crap.. wtf? slax live doesn't run ldconfig on startup?
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07:14.26ayHi. Anyone know how amaroks OSD is made?
07:14.39ayIs it a ordinary QT/KDE widget?
07:15.04ayIs it something that is possible to make using kde/qt perl or python bindings?
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07:17.13PhilRoday: they might know in #amarok
07:17.52ayPhilRod: Ok. I'll check there as well.
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07:41.16solid_liqanyone know of an app I can use to fill in a form that's in pdf format?
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07:47.04puetzksolid_liq: not aware of anything other than the 'official' acrobat reader (which does have linux builds, though). Maybe xpdf, not really sure
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07:49.17SJr|nxDebian, KDE 3.5.1, Konquerer can't display JPEG thumnails
07:49.19SJr|nxany ideas?
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07:49.34caffeisolid_liq, The Gimp can open PDF files, but I'm not sure how you'd convert it back to PDF after editing.
07:50.04caffei(it can't save to pdf)
07:51.33solid_liqcaffei: hmm, ok, thanks
07:52.04caffeiaha, save to postscript then convert if necessary
07:52.32puetzkwell, if you just need something to print that will work fine. I figured you needed to "fill it out" in the normal, for-electronic-submission sense.
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08:09.34SJr|nxHow do I install a new font in KDE?
08:09.50GraveDiggerwith kcontorl
08:09.53GraveDigger*kcontrol
08:10.11GraveDiggerrun it, head for font installation and install fonts you like
08:11.51SJr|nxnice
08:11.52SJr|nxlets see
08:11.54SJr|nxplease please please
08:12.27SJr|nxhmmmmm it doesn't seem to have worked but lets see
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08:13.43GraveDiggerlol
08:14.02SJrwhat?
08:14.42GraveDiggercome on, this worked for lots of people for YEARS now, u dont wanna claim that this is totally disrupted for you now, do u?
08:15.16GraveDiggerkcontrol -> system -> font installation (or whatever this is in english)
08:15.22GraveDiggerthere you have ur font stuff
08:15.30SJrlol
08:15.31SJryeah
08:15.32SJrI tried that
08:15.35GraveDiggerinstall fonts, they will be listed afterwards
08:15.38SJryes
08:15.41SJrand when I did that
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08:15.44SJrthey didn't show up in other applications
08:15.47SJreven after I restarted them
08:15.54GraveDiggerin what applications?
08:16.47SJrKonsole
08:17.03GraveDiggerLOL
08:17.06GraveDiggerLOOOOOOOL
08:17.08GraveDiggererm, well
08:17.16SJrhmmmmm
08:17.17GraveDiggerkonsole does not use all fonts available
08:17.17SJryou know
08:17.20SJrwell
08:17.25SJractually restarting my session worked
08:17.33GraveDiggerespecially it hates fonts that require lots of rendering
08:17.40GraveDiggerokay
08:17.45GraveDiggergreat
08:17.46GraveDigger:)
08:18.25GraveDiggerbtw: i tried it myself using kcontrol and kword ... and guess what: i have had the font in there even without loggin in again
08:18.28SJrexcept that the font is bugging
08:18.38SJrnot rendering properly
08:18.40SJrin Konsole
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08:19.20fekmoin
08:19.23GraveDiggermoin
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08:20.34SJr|nxOkay next problem
08:20.43SJr|nxI can't seem to switch themes properly
08:20.51GraveDiggertoo bad
08:20.56SJr|nxlol what do you mean too bad?
08:21.00SJr|nxam I too stupid to be helped?
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08:21.36GraveDiggerwell, i dont know how smart you are, but theme switching always worked that good for me that i never experienced any problems with it
08:21.42SJr|nxhmmmm
08:21.44SJr|nxactually wow
08:21.52SJr|nxboth machines eff up
08:21.55SJr|nxin almost the same way
08:22.01SJr|nxmaybe its a debian thing
08:22.11GraveDiggerif something wasn overtaken by a theme, try to fix it urself and then save the settings back to the theme
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08:24.54islamguide_comhas anyone gotten the mouse scrolls by setting to respond?
08:25.10islamguide_comi tried setting it higher but nothing seems to change
08:25.11GraveDigger*bahnhof*
08:25.32islamguide_comsame goes for the click volume
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09:14.29d1zzyhello. I have a strange problem with kde and opening jpeg files (it started some time ago, I dont recall what I have done at that moment exactly). basically when trying to open a jpeg file it doesnt show up in the file browser although it should be (like in krita or opening a custom cover for amarok). if I manually go to the field of "file type" and enter * then it shows along with all the files and if I try to open it amarok does open it but krita put m
09:14.36d1zzyany idea ?
09:15.41d1zzyit happens for all jpeg files as far as I can see it
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09:32.46d1zzyfor a >200 user channel this is very silent
09:33.14GraveDiggerlol
09:33.20GraveDiggerpeople have stuff to do
09:33.41GraveDiggerand not always does anyone know an answer to your problem
09:34.07d1zzysure
09:34.21d1zzybut at least I know what to say to the people that get upset because my channel is idle with 20 people in it
09:34.32d1zzy:)
09:35.19n3stormd1zzy: did you asked anything?
09:35.24n3stormI just entered the channel
09:35.34n3storm:)
09:35.41d1zzywell its a big question but Ill say it again
09:35.49d1zzyhello. I have a strange problem with kde and opening jpeg files (it started some time ago, I dont recall what I have done at that moment exactly). basically when trying to open a jpeg file it doesnt show up in the file browser although it should be (like in krita or opening a custom cover for amarok). if I manually go to the field of "file type" and enter * then it shows along with all the files and if I try to open it amarok does open it but krita put m
09:36.06d1zzygentoo, kde 3.5.0, happens for every jpeg as far as I can see it
09:36.25n3stormyou open jpegs with amarok?
09:36.28n3stormhow comes?
09:37.05GraveDiggeralbum covers
09:37.11n3stormo yeah
09:37.30n3stormso it's a kind of filter you have for jpg files?
09:37.31n3stormmmm
09:37.54d1zzyits strange, they are valid files but krita doesnt want to open them and neither amarok if not forced to
09:38.17n3stormin the url in konqueror you can put an * too
09:38.17d1zzyin the file associations in the image group I see one for jpeg that has *.jpg, *.jpeg patterns
09:38.22d1zzyand one for jpg that has no pattern
09:38.22n3stormcan you try that?
09:38.26d1zzydo you have both these ?
09:38.41n3stormyes, both are the same
09:39.26d1zzyoki in the konqueror window I see all the files but the jpg ones dont get thumbnails generated
09:39.31d1zzyonly the png/gif ones as I can see it
09:39.39n3stormmmm
09:39.46n3stormyes, that happened to me before
09:39.52d1zzyn3storm: do you have patterns for image/jpg ?
09:39.53d1zzyI dont
09:40.03d1zzyI have only in image/jpeg patterns for *.jpg and *.jpeg
09:40.14n3storm1 sec
09:40.44d1zzyactually the .jpg files in the konq window dont even get an icon (the image icon)
09:40.49n3stormJPEG Image
09:41.09n3stormthey are the same and linux knows that
09:41.28d1zzyn3storm: so you got patterns in both image/jpg and image/jpeg file associations ?
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09:41.49wimpiesHI all, often when i click on URL the download manager progress dialog pops up..
09:41.57wimpiesI want it only when downloads ARE happening and not potentially could be happening ... How ?
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09:42.18n3stormno
09:42.20n3stormjust jpeg
09:42.26n3stormin the second tab
09:42.36n3stormhave you checked the third option?
09:42.44d1zzyn3storm: 1 sec to post a screenshot
09:42.53n3stormok
09:43.45d1zzyn3storm: http://dizzy.roedu.net/kde/snapshot5.png
09:45.04n3stormok, much clear now
09:45.10n3stormin patterns you need to add
09:45.18n3storm*.jpg
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09:45.19d1zzybut I have all the patterns in the jpeg type
09:45.20d1zzy1 sec
09:45.21n3storm*.JPG
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09:45.45n3stormmmm
09:45.50n3stormsorry
09:46.03d1zzyn3storm: http://dizzy.roedu.net/kde/snapshot6.png
09:46.11n3stormdid you create the jpg entry?
09:46.26d1zzynope
09:46.29n3stormerase it
09:46.32d1zzyoki...
09:47.15d1zzyerased, applied the change refreshed the konq page but its the same problem
09:47.30d1zzyalso when I double click on the jpg file it puts me to select with what application to open it lol
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09:48.53kiorkyhello
09:49.01kiorkyi have installed kde3.5.1(gentoo)
09:49.04kiorkyut have problems
09:49.09kiorkywhen i try to lauch any application
09:49.11kiorkyit crashes
09:49.42d1zzylol
09:49.42kiorkyif any one could help :)
09:51.31kiorkyhttp://bordel.cryptelium.net/backtrace.txt
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09:51.36kiorkyhere is a sample backtrace
09:52.04d1zzybordel ? :))
09:52.15n3stormd1zzy: have you checked kde 3.5.0 forums around?
09:52.15n3stormd1zzy: remember there is a 3.5.1 version around
09:52.38d1zzyn3storm: yeah but look what happens with 3.5.1 :)
09:52.59n3stormhe had compiled it
09:53.17n3stormwhat distro you use?
09:53.22d1zzygentoo :)
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09:57.28n3stormd1zzy: XDD
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09:58.47GraveDiggerlol
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10:00.58d1zzyn3storm: XDD ?
10:01.40n3stormd1zzy: is like somebody laughing a lot
10:01.45n3stormXD
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10:01.47n3stormXDD
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10:02.42d1zzyoh
10:03.06n3stormd1zzy: can you see it?
10:03.24n3stormsomebody closing eyes and mouth wide open
10:03.57visik7anyone has try xgl with kde ?
10:04.14Tm_Tnot really, it's known to not work
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10:04.26Celestehi
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10:04.32Celesteist there something like "gdesklets"  for KDE too?
10:04.48n3stormCeleste: Superkaramba
10:04.53qupadaCeleste: superkaramba
10:05.06fredEvisik7: ya Xgl works but like compiz and gnome-window-decorator breaks a lot of kde
10:05.15visik7:/
10:05.23visik7will be usable before kde4 ?
10:05.35GraveDiggerno
10:05.39GraveDiggeri think
10:05.39visik7:((
10:05.43fredEexcept redrawing the KDE panel when ctrl-alt-f7 from a ctrl-alt-fn doesn't work on my nvidia card with xgl. artifact problems
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10:05.51fredEwhy do you think that GraveDigger ?
10:06.19GraveDiggerfredE: cauz it needs far more time
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10:06.26Celesten3storm, qupada: Thank you!  -  Can I make KDE look like Mac OS with these Applets?
10:06.27fredEif kde doesn't have a xgl window manager by kde4 i will shoot myself
10:06.37GraveDiggeroh well
10:06.38n3stormmmm
10:06.42GraveDiggerkde4 will go another way
10:06.45n3stormCeleste: mostly
10:06.45fredEGraveDigger: gnome already has one and working pretty well
10:06.55GraveDiggerjust read about qt4, arthur and 3D capable drawing backends
10:06.57n3stormCeleste: there is a project, baghira I think
10:07.02GraveDiggeru will find a lot of interesting stuff then
10:07.05n3stormthey will help you
10:07.06islamguide_comUnder session manager in kde control center, i placed opera as an application to be excluded from saved sessions but it doesn't seem to have any effect. Any ideas?
10:07.13Celesten3storm, thank you very much!
10:07.24n3stormwelcome!
10:07.35fredEGraveDigger: are you talking about 3d buffer drawing or 3d gpu drawing from X? that's a big difference
10:07.51Celesten3storm, I am just installing it using "apt-get" - I need to change to  KDE  (just running gnome for testing purpose - It's ugly)   and then I am back
10:08.01GraveDiggeriirc its the latter one
10:08.03Celesten3storm, I would be happy to meet you here again in 40 seconds
10:08.13fredEmaybe it's time to move to gnome.. can't do without konqueror tho.. hmmm
10:08.24fredEtouch choice
10:08.30n3stormCeleste: ok
10:08.33fredE*though
10:08.34fredE*tough
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10:10.14Celestere
10:10.27n3stormhi
10:10.36Celesten3storm, I talked to you, isn't it?
10:10.52n3stormI'll be leaving at 1130
10:10.55CelesteI was just searching the name-list and tried to find the nick with the "3" in it :)
10:10.56n3stormCeleste: yes
10:11.01Celeste11:30 *heh*
10:11.03Celestewhat time zone?
10:11.08n3stormahaha
10:11.10n3stormSpain
10:11.13n3storm?
10:11.18Celesteok the same time zone
10:11.20CelesteI got a call
10:11.22n3stormin half an hour
10:11.23Celestewill be here oson
10:12.15Celesteback
10:12.34Celesten3storm, there are 100 customers ... but my mom is the hardest one to handle *g*
10:12.45Celesten3storm, karamba started
10:12.52Celesteit aksed tme to download themes
10:12.56Celestewhere is this baghira stuff?
10:13.02Celesteand the Mac OS like toolbar?
10:13.05Celestethe panel I mean
10:13.29n3stormCeleste: I think is not going to be that easy
10:13.45Celesteoh
10:13.55n3stormright click on the desktop
10:14.05Celesteok
10:14.07n3stormclick on Configure Desktop
10:14.16n3stormclick on behaviour
10:14.23Celestethere I am
10:14.39n3stormyou can see there something like Mac Os style
10:14.41n3stormdo you?
10:14.52Celestei do
10:14.56n3stormcheck it
10:15.00n3stormand apply
10:15.10Celestegot a bar on the top
10:15.28n3stormdepending on the application the bar will show it¡s menu
10:15.36n3stormif they are kde apps
10:15.47n3stormhttp://baghira.sourceforge.net/
10:15.48Celesteok I see
10:15.54n3stormcheck the site
10:16.21Celesteafaik this baghira is only a theme and won't give me this Mac OS like panel
10:16.30CelesteI am talk9ing about this panel where the Icons become bigger
10:16.39Celesteyou know, this  mouseover effect
10:16.43n3stormkxdocker
10:16.50n3stormor ksmoothdocker
10:17.10n3stormbut they want't look like exactly the same as macosx
10:17.18Celestehttp://baghira.sourceforge.net/download.shtml
10:17.19n3stormyou will have to tune them
10:17.20Celeste404 :)
10:17.49n3stormno 404 for me
10:18.01n3stormI'm in
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10:18.25Celesten3storm, interesting ... 404 here
10:18.43n3stormhttp://baghira.sourceforge.net/download.php
10:18.50n3stormis differente
10:18.52n3stormis different
10:19.00triceratopsfrom time to time kaddressbook deletes it's addressbook.vcf file. Is this a kown behaviour and if how can I avoid this?
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10:20.29Celesten3storm, I will try around myself now, I think I can this get work
10:20.33Celesten3storm, I will inform you ...
10:20.36Celestethank you so far!
10:21.41n3stormnot at all!
10:21.47n3stormbetter go now
10:21.50n3stormsee ya
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10:47.10Death_Wishhey i was wondering if there is a way to view files by list and not by big icons?
10:47.26GraveDigger?
10:47.41qupadayeah, click the list view icon on the toolbar... it's right next to the icon view button
10:47.50Death_Wishlike when you oen up file manager
10:47.56qupadaor view>view mode> tree view
10:48.14Death_Wishyes thank you :)
10:48.22Death_Wishi hate icon view
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10:59.21GraveDiggerCeleste: ping?
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11:04.35athlonhow do I setup konqueror so it always opens image files in gwenview instead with it's own embedded viewer
11:09.37fredEathlon: set up the file associations in settings -> configure. put each filetype from image/* set to use "image" group, then set the default for "image" group to open externally with gwenview
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11:32.53athlonfredE: thanks.
11:35.16CelesteGraveDigger!
11:35.20CelesteGraveDigger *pong*
11:35.37GraveDiggerj0
11:35.38GraveDigger:)
11:36.16CelesteGraveDigger, Sorry that I did not had the chance to "wget" all the offered "files" the last time, I felt asleep :/
11:36.37GraveDiggerCeleste: erm, that paste-on-left-sidebutton-thingy really rocks! i dont even attempt to use the middle button that for anymore! :D
11:36.49Celesteheh,  same here!
11:36.53GraveDiggerCeleste: i dont care... the ftp is still open for business
11:36.54Celestethats kinda kewl
11:36.59GraveDiggerindeed
11:37.00GraveDigger:D
11:37.16GraveDiggerand works great with games - there the two buttons are also swapped
11:37.19CelesteGraveDigger, may you send me a  /notice Celeste  <ip> ?
11:37.19GraveDiggerbut that's all
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11:38.11GraveDiggerno
11:38.15GraveDiggeri prefer queries
11:38.23GraveDigger(just a personal taste)
11:38.34CelesteA Question to the channel - specially to those who know "Baghira"
11:38.40CelesteI got a prob compiling it
11:38.41Celestehttp://pastebin.com/601108
11:38.44GraveDiggerwell
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11:38.54GraveDiggerwhat was ur distribution like?
11:39.10Celesteubuntu
11:39.14Celestedebian like
11:39.15GraveDigger*ARGH*
11:39.15berndhi can somebody say me the name of the ap when i make a "ALT+F2"
11:39.20CelesteGraveDigger, Kubuntu
11:39.22CelesteK!!!
11:39.24Celeste:)
11:39.28GraveDigger-.-
11:39.31GraveDiggernot much better
11:39.44GraveDiggeranyways: arent there binary builds for baghira out there?
11:39.55Celesteyes but ... its debian sid
11:39.55GraveDiggerbetter check that before, may save u time and nervers
11:40.02GraveDiggerso what?
11:40.08Celestehttp://baghira.sourceforge.net/download.php
11:40.19GraveDiggerhave u *tried* it?
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11:40.43CelesteGraveDigger, well actually I dunno if it is a good idea to mess up the packaging by mixing  Debian SID and Ubuntu Stable DEB's
11:41.03GraveDiggerhmmmm
11:41.06CelesteGraveDigger,  You sound like must guys around here ... oh Celeste, don't you wanna *try* it? *g*
11:41.06GraveDiggertrue
11:41.17GraveDigger*g*
11:41.23Celeste"Das war dann der Satz mit X das war wohl nix"  (Tic Tac Toe)
11:41.26Celesteheh
11:41.43GraveDiggerE_PORN_NICK?
11:41.45GraveDigger(rofl)
11:41.47CelesteLOL
11:42.20Celesteits interesting that after some time on the net you do not care about english conversations
11:42.34Celestewell, however I should find the solution in the ubuntu channel afaik
11:43.27GraveDiggerwell, talking in english trains language skill very well
11:43.29GraveDigger:)
11:43.47GraveDiggeranyways: good look in finding a solution
11:44.45GraveDiggerCeleste: btw: sanity check failed? that sounds like something pretty fucked up
11:45.11berndno one know how the application is called when you press "ALT+F2" ?
11:45.23GraveDiggerbernd: klauncher
11:45.28berndah thx :)
11:46.39berndbtw ubuntu really sucks for me, clear text passwords in files ..
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11:46.42bernd/var/log/installer/cdebconf/questions.dat
11:47.12GraveDiggerlol
11:47.15Celestereally?
11:47.36CelesteOH NO!
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11:47.40CelesteFUCK THATS TRUE
11:47.44bernd...
11:47.44GraveDiggerLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
11:47.49Celestethere is my ROOT Password!!!
11:47.55bernd:)
11:47.58GraveDigger!!!!!!!PWNED!!!!!!!!!
11:48.00GraveDigger^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
11:48.03GraveDigger\o/
11:48.05Celestewhat a fucking bad distro
11:48.17berndyeah and its not the only thing ...
11:48.20GraveDiggerCeleste: btw: lol
11:48.31GraveDiggerCeleste: u should install a c++ compiler to build c++ source codes
11:48.33GraveDigger:D :D :D :D
11:48.43GraveDiggerCeleste: and baghira IS written in c++
11:48.45GraveDigger:P
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11:50.06berndGraveDigger, klauncher doesnt work out of KDE ?
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11:50.42GraveDiggerbernd: of course it does, but its automatically started with kdeinit
11:50.51berndok what it mean ?
11:50.55GraveDiggerbernd: if you want that alt-f2 dialog, u better call dcop then
11:51.04GraveDiggeror simply hit alt-f2 :P
11:51.04GraveDigger:D
11:51.06berndok i try
11:51.17berndthe problem is i need it in fluxbox
11:51.24GraveDiggerlol?
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11:51.31GraveDiggerthe kde launch dialog in fluxbox????
11:51.32GraveDiggeroO
11:51.35berndand alt+f2 is a good feature
11:51.40GraveDiggerlol
11:51.43bernd:)
11:51.48GraveDiggerfluxbox got it's own thingy that for
11:51.54GraveDiggerbetter read flux' documentation
11:51.56berndyes?
11:52.26berndi dont read something but im using it not long
11:52.48GraveDigger*sigh* its long ago since i used that crap
11:52.58GraveDiggerbut i surely remember that i got that feature, too
11:53.04berndi really want do use KDE but on my old box doesnt work
11:53.05GraveDiggerwith fluxbox' own software
11:53.20berndok cool i have a look
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11:59.54Celestedoes anyone of you have experiences in using "SuperKaramba" ?
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12:00.29berndGraveDigger, "fbrun"  jejeje cool thx
12:01.12GraveDiggerack
12:01.14GraveDiggerthat was it
12:01.16GraveDigger:D
12:01.19GraveDiggernp, ur welcome
12:01.29GraveDiggerCeleste: of course
12:01.30GraveDigger:D
12:01.45GraveDiggerCeleste: http://home.pages.at/gravy/screener_neonlight.png
12:01.47CelesteGraveDigger, heh ... interested in styling my KDE  Mac OS Like?
12:01.49GraveDigger^^ that was my desktop
12:01.50GraveDigger:D :D :D :D D
12:01.53GraveDigger:D
12:02.25CelesteGraveDigger, wow!!!!
12:02.29GraveDiggerCeleste: honestly: no! look at my screenshot ... have you *ANY* idea how much work it required to have kde look that way?
12:02.33GraveDiggerhell, i dont want this again
12:02.40CelesteGraveDigger, the bottom one bar ... is it Mac OS like (in the mouseover effect)
12:02.42GraveDiggertho i was a hell of a sexy desktop
12:02.43GraveDigger:D :
12:02.44GraveDigger:D
12:02.51GraveDiggerCeleste: i know
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12:03.20Celesteit was a question *g*
12:03.29Celestedoes it work like the mac os panel?
12:03.31GraveDiggerno problem ... but no ... i dont want to
12:03.43Celeste??
12:03.46GraveDiggerdunno, i never used macos
12:03.52CelesteI see
12:04.08Celestewould you give me advices to make my desktop cooler?
12:04.37Celestebut I would like to have it more ... Barbie like
12:04.54Celestemore pink and fuzzy
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12:05.57GraveDiggerwell, for my desk i used the following themes: slickbar, TDE and TuXbar
12:06.20GraveDiggerall to be found at kde-look.org
12:06.31GraveDiggerbut heavily modified for my desk
12:06.48Celesteis this karamba stuff?
12:07.57GraveDiggerCeleste: TDE is karamba only, the others require superkaramba
12:08.43GraveDiggerbut SK is fully compatible to karamba
12:08.54GraveDiggeri dont even if karamba is developed independently anymore
12:08.58GraveDigger*know
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13:10.46xbeanxWhen I click on "Configure Panel", I don't get the "Appearance" tab in the window that comes up.  Is there a command I can run to get me to the options in that window?
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13:18.28dw_is cmake really going to be used for kde 4?
13:18.50dw_latest article indicates it is, but an old one indicates it'd be scons
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13:20.17dw_http://dot.kde.org/1126452494/
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13:22.49shevegenis there a file where kde writes which version it is?
13:23.11dw_shevegen: `kde-config --version`
13:23.41shevegenah :)
13:23.50shevegenthanks, guess this is pkg-config. forgot about using something else
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13:25.58qupadawoah, this isn't good.  my kate kpart is missing
13:26.50qupada"A KDE text-editor component could nor be found; please check your KDE installation"
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13:30.13shevegenthanks for the help, see you
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13:36.04hakbeestqupada: re-emerge kate ?
13:37.36qupadahakbeest: done and not helping.  i think it's probably a due to being in the midst of recompiling my system with gcc 4.1
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13:39.34qupadai'm using the qt designer kpart for the moment, we'll see what happens after a whole-system recompile
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13:43.11Frogbarf_where does konqueror store it's cache files?
13:43.32Frogbarf_sorry, its cache files
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13:51.55kiorkyhello, i have installed kde3.5.1(gentoo), and when i try to launch any application, it crashes . http://bordel.cryptelium.net/backtrace.txt is a sample backtrace. if anyone could help ....
13:57.04kiorkyhttp://bordel.cryptelium.net/kde-versions.txt
13:57.20kiorkylist of versions/use.cflags
13:58.30qupadawhat gcc version are you running?
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14:22.38kyronhey all, I have a really weird problem. One of my users (in KDE3.4.3) has mannaged to do _something_ where, each time she clicks on a folder, KATE tried to open the folder... how the hell do I destroy/fix this faulty association?
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14:23.34kyronand I did search in the Filetypes...but couldn't find a "folder" type...
14:23.53rhicankyron: did you try control-center->file associations?
14:24.10rhicanit's under kde Components
14:25.00kyronkde components under file associations...hmmm...gimme a sec...
14:25.30rhicanno the other way round :) control center->kde components->file associations
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14:26.59Julianyushello
14:27.02kyronrhican, kay...as i said, I've been there... (it's the same file association as in konqueror ...logical)... I can't find the "filetype" a folder is...
14:27.40rhicanthe description of "all" is "all files and folders"
14:28.22kyronrhican, .....shoot me.... thanks!... I'll chech that setting for that user ;)
14:28.33kyronhoping that _that_ is the actual problem ;)
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14:37.35themadscotsmanhello....i am trying to get KDE 3.5 with no luck
14:37.47rhicanos?
14:38.20themadscotsman2005-04 with 2.6.15 kernel
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14:39.20themadscotsmani followed the instruction in devil28's how-to in the forum and i never get to log in...x freezes me out
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14:40.31themadscotsmanthe upgrade kills my x-server
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14:41.51themadscotsmani've done the dpkg --purge....d-u bit 3 times already
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14:50.35kiorkyhello, i have installed kde3.5.1(gentoo), and when i try to launch any application, it crashes . http://bordel.cryptelium.net/backtrace.txt is a sample backtrace. if anyone could help ....
14:50.41kiorkyhttp://bordel.cryptelium.net/kde-versions.txt
14:53.34rhicankiorky, you did check all the configfiles?
14:53.44rhicanthat emerge complains about?
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14:54.11kiorkyuhm
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14:54.16kiorkythere isnt any emerge eoors
14:54.27kiorkyit is  kde apps which crash
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14:54.42rhicankde itself works?
14:54.48kiorkyi ve just gie the second link to show which use/ clags i ve
14:54.52kiorkyNO
14:54.53kiorky:)
14:54.57kiorkyits my problem
14:55.05kiorky(im vcurrently under gnome
14:55.18kiorkyand it s woreking, all my apps are working expect kde suite
14:55.36kiorkyindeed, i want to try out kde3.5.1
14:55.38rhicandit you try moving all the .kde* dirs in your home directory to some other place to see if that helps
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14:55.44kiorkyyes
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14:55.59rhicanwell then i'm out of idea's
14:56.03kiorkymy init test sciript do rm -rf ~/.kde* :p
14:56.12kiorky:
14:58.01rhicanhmz you pretty mutch have the same system as i do, so i'll wait before i upgrade my kde :)
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15:01.15kiorky!fuckin! ##@@@@@@!
15:01.38xanax`what's wrong kiorky ?
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15:03.05kiorkyxanax`: i cant luanch any kde apps
15:03.07kiorkywhen i try
15:03.10kiorkyCRASH
15:03.20kiorkythe backstrace on the url i gave before
15:03.49kiorkyis kde dependant of certains cflags?
15:04.03kiorkyand , so, why gentoo ebuilds dont filter them
15:04.54kiorkyor maybe distcc and ccache pertub it
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15:54.35Naradawhat is a graphical ftp/sftp/scp client for kde
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15:56.55VandroyNarada: you can use konqueror
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16:35.36greisterI have a error message:no KDE message installed.What packages to be installed ?
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16:38.35apoapo@box:/bin$ ls -l 00
16:38.39apo-rwxr-xr-x  1 apo root 7 Mar 14 13:07 00
16:38.43apoapo@box:/bin$ cat 00
16:38.47apocd /00
16:38.48apoapo@box:/bin$ 00
16:38.48apoapo@box:/bin$ ./00
16:38.48apoapo@box:/bin$ ls /00
16:38.49apoapo  hdb1  hdd1
16:38.49apoapo@box:/bin$
16:38.50apowhy it happens?
16:39.08apowhy i cant do a script change the directory?
16:40.19apoif someone can, please help me
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16:45.06KreamHello all
16:45.37KreamI'm using Gentoo using KDE-3.5.1
16:45.46Sho_so am I
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16:46.26KreamI'm using an app called filelight which crashes when I quit it (SIGABRT) and am trying to find out how to get a useful backtrace
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16:47.48Kreamis there a document on how to do it the KDE way or something ? because my CFLAGS include -g -ggdb, I don't strip the binaries, I compile with --enable-debug but drkonqi shows me a mostly empty bunch of strings
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17:04.37AciDis there a way to get a right k3bsetup window ? with 0.12.12-1 I just get a blank one
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17:05.55Kreamupgrade to 0.12.14 ?
17:08.01estacion4helloo¡
17:08.52AciDKream > doesn't seem to have that version in debian sid..
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17:22.03CrazyClaudiaany reason konqueror (as file browser) would suddenly become very slow when selecting files or directories?  Can take up to 5 seconds to open the directory, for example.
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17:27.55Kreamhow long has this been happening, CrazyClaudia ?
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17:28.28CrazyClaudiaoh.. well, not sure exactly.. maybe a week
17:28.36CrazyClaudiai don't recall making any changes then
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17:32.21apoapo@box:/bin$ ls -l 00
17:32.25apo-rwxr-xr-x  1 apo root 7 Mar 14 13:07 00
17:32.29apoapo@box:/bin$ cat 00
17:32.33apocd /00
17:32.37apoapo@box:/bin$ 00
17:32.37apoapo@box:/bin$ ./00
17:32.37apoapo@box:/bin$ ls /00
17:32.38apoapo  hdb1  hdd1
17:32.38apoapo@box:/bin$
17:32.47apohelp
17:33.33apoi need understand why this script is not changing the directory
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17:40.18rorkHi all
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17:43.35fredrikhapo: type 'source ./00', and please limit yourself to KDE related questions on this channel
17:44.18m1lkc0wAnyone else expereriences hangs & freezes in Konsole 3.5.1? Regular xterms work just fine.
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17:45.53strawack, i can't stand that kweather only does fahrenheit :/
17:46.11jetsaredimis there a way to get vnc working for an already open kde session?
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17:47.12benJImanjetsaredim: you can use the kde remote assistance thing
17:47.23benJImanjetsaredim: however vnc is incredibly slow, you might want to look at NX
17:47.27CrazyClaudiam1lkc0w: yes
17:47.31CrazyClaudiawhen running xine, etc...
17:48.11jetsaredimnx?
17:48.47benJImanincredibly fast remote GUI
17:48.48m1lkc0wCrazyClaudia: Interesting!
17:49.03CrazyClaudiayeah. and highly annoying
17:49.40m1lkc0wCrazyClaudia: Did you find out more about a potential fix? I am using regualr xterms for the time being as a workaround
17:50.18GraveDiggerbenJIman: *sigh* dude, we talked today about xinerama and multihead stuff ... u remember?
17:50.36benJImanyes, why?
17:50.40GraveDiggerbenJIman: it seems as if i will have no other chance but going to twinview for multihead
17:50.47benJImanI see sax2 does support configuring xinerama properly in suse 10.1
17:50.55GraveDiggerbenJIman: since spanning opgengl over multiple cards is not supported
17:50.58benJImanGraveDigger: twinview is great if you have one card, I thought you had 2
17:51.09GraveDiggerbenJIman: and honestly - i want this xgl stuff...
17:51.09GraveDigger!
17:51.17CrazyClaudiam1lkc0w: the only way i could get around it was to rely on xterm when i  was using xine
17:51.24benJImanXgl doesn't support xinerama
17:51.27CrazyClaudiaotherwise, i use konsole.  no fix forthcoming :(
17:51.34GraveDiggerbenJIman: of course i have two, but it looks as i have to disable one of then
17:51.38m1lkc0wCrazyClaudia: What OS are you running?
17:51.55benJImanbut while you can still use both monitors with twinview with Xgl , kde won't know where the monitors are beacause XGl doesn't support the xinerama
17:51.58GraveDiggerbenJIman: not today, but in future it will
17:52.00m1lkc0wCrazyClaudia: It's FreeBSD-6.1PRERELEASE here
17:52.11GraveDiggerbenJIman: look at macos,they do it today - xgl will follow
17:52.16GraveDiggerbenJIman: (as always)
17:52.32CrazyClaudiam1lkc0w: gentoo
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17:53.22m1lkc0wCrazyClaudia: OK. So, it's not related to the OS
17:53.36CrazyClaudiano... i have a feeling it's tied into arts
17:53.52benJImantry reducing arts' priority?
17:53.56CrazyClaudiaafk for a bit
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17:54.30m1lkc0wCrazyClaudia: It should be reproducable in this case, I'll let xine run and trigger the bell from konsole. Lemme check
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17:57.32m1lkc0wCrazyClaudia: I believe you pointed me in the right direction. Thanks!
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18:22.57xbeanxI have a really weird problem..  First of all, if I lock my screen I cannot unlock it.  I (think I) traced it back to a program called kcheckpass.....
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18:23.24xbeanxWhen I run kcheckpass on its own, I get an error saying "cannot obtain lock", however, if I strace the program, it seems to obtain a lock fine and works as it should.
18:23.31tscolinanyone know how to fix nasty font rendering? ie: jagged fonts that bleed into each other?
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18:23.46xbeanxHave you ever seen an instance where something never works unless you run it through strace?!?
18:24.34IceD^xbeanx: several times
18:24.46IceD^xbeanx: your CFLAGS please
18:24.46IceD^xbeanx: and compiler version
18:25.09IceD^(or distro in case if you installed binary)
18:25.36xbeanxIceD^: 1 min, it's on a remote system..
18:26.59xbeanxIceD^: CFLAGS="-O2 -mcpu=i586 -pipe" was compiled on a gentoo box with a simple emerge of KDE (done by someone else, not myself)
18:27.27IceD^hmm
18:27.29IceD^should be oK
18:27.50IceD^which kde version?
18:28.02xbeanxgcc version 3.3.6
18:28.05xbeanxKDE 3.4
18:28.12xbeanxNot sure of the minor number.. 1 sec
18:28.29xbeanxKDE 3.4.3
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18:29.43xbeanxhmm.. here's something strange..  I can run kcheckpass remotely with no problem.  However when on the computer, in KDE I cannot run it without stracing it
18:30.15IceD^looks like problem is known
18:30.21IceD^http://www.kde-forum.org/post/55541/lastpost.html#post55541
18:30.26xbeanxthanks
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18:30.52IceD^and solution is there
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18:32.50xbeanxIceD^: thank you much!  I believe that is the problem
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18:36.32xbeanxIceD^: I thought it would work, but I still get the same error :(
18:36.41xbeanxafter chmodding the executable
18:37.44IceD^hmm
18:37.46IceD^4777?
18:38.44IceD^just reemerge it
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18:40.38xbeanxIceD^: 4711, but I also tried 4755 and it didn't work..
18:40.40nuxilanyone know a app that can merge vob files together?
18:41.05xbeanxIceD^: well, the problem is, this has been an ongoing problem on all linux boxes around here for 2 years..  Way before KDE3.4 was even emerged..
18:41.37IceD^xbeanx: works here
18:41.40xbeanxI'm starting to wonder if maybe when kcheckpass is ran as a user it tries to create the lockfile on an NFS read only directory
18:41.42IceD^for last X years :)
18:41.44xbeanxI'll have to look into that
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18:41.52IceD^nfs?
18:42.17xbeanxYes, /var and /home is the only writable filesystems
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18:42.21xbeanxoh, and /tmp
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18:46.22pinotreehello
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18:49.25IceD^iced@iced ~ % ls -l `which kcheckpass`
18:49.25IceD^-rws--x--x 1 root root 12208 2006-03-07 18:39 /usr/kde/3.5/bin/kcheckpass
18:49.45IceD^so, basicly your flags should be enough
18:50.04IceD^I can suggest to check kcheckpass sources (should be one short file)
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18:50.22IceD^and see what locks it's trying to create
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18:54.08newbie99hi
18:55.05newbie99there is a way to configure mouse so I can do copy wuth just double-click like in windows under putty ?
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18:59.48xbeanxIceD^: I'll have to do that..  It appears that kcheckpass is actually creating the lock file in /var/run, but it then throws the error "cannot obtain lock" and then leaves the lockfile there.
18:59.59xbeanxIceD^: I'm gonna go grab the source and have a look
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19:03.38m1lkc0wnewbie99: What's wrong with the middle mouse button?
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19:11.03xbeanxMy problem with kcheckpass seems to be when the program calls fcntl to lock the lockfile it creates..  For some reason this function call fails
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19:15.10IceD^xbeanx: hmm
19:15.12IceD^it shouldn't
19:15.18IceD^on local systems at least
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19:27.04Aronofskyhi
19:27.38Aronofskysillyquestion , but is it possible to completely remove kde panel ?
19:27.56EvilGuruthe visual design mode in quanta plus is seriosly retarded
19:28.19IceD^damn
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19:28.27IceD^why konqueror window simpy draws SLOW
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19:28.39IceD^I disabled AA at all - and it's still damn slow
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19:28.57IceD^the same when using TTF fonts on konsole
19:29.03IceD^wtf?!? and any ideas?
19:29.13Aronofskyanynone ?
19:29.41HamishTPBAronofsky: remove as in make not seen or uninstall?
19:29.59AronofskyHamishTPB, as in make not seen
19:30.24IceD^Aronofsky: kill kicker
19:30.24IceD^and relogin
19:30.27newbie99llkc0w: thanks, for tip
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19:30.39AronofskyIceD, but it will come back every time i restart ?
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19:31.08HamishTPByou can right click and remove items from the panel
19:31.27IceD^Aronofsky: it shouldn't
19:31.30AronofskyHamishTPB, yeah but the panel itself remains
19:31.35HamishTPBdo you want a totally blank desktop or just to get rid of some parts
19:31.36HamishTPBah
19:31.37HamishTPBok
19:31.40IceD^Aronofsky: panel is kicker app
19:32.25AronofskyIceD^, yeah but if I kill it why wouldn't it come back when i restart ?
19:32.41IceD^hmm hmm
19:32.50IceD^probably it's stored in session
19:33.18AronofskyIceD^, any cleaner way to do it ?
19:33.32IceD^dunno
19:33.47IceD^just create script which will start all necessary kdeparts for you
19:33.53xbeanxIceD^: I have written a small c program to create a lock file in the same manner as kcheckpass and I get the perror "No locks available" .. So I guess that's my problem..
19:33.55IceD^and use it instead of startkde
19:34.10xbeanxIceD^: thanks for the suggestions..  it helped me out a lot
19:34.44AronofskyIced , ok thx will try that
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19:43.01Death_Wishhey is there a way to use fonts that was made for Windows?
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19:48.31aktaloYes, i think it is possible.
19:48.59HamishTPBDeath_Wish: yes - any true type font can be used
19:49.18Death_Wishcause im trying to use gimp since i heard its hard using ps on nix so i need fonts that are used by windows
19:49.43HamishTPBDeath_Wish: use the control panel>sytem administration>font installer>administrator mode
19:50.02Death_Wishok thank you
19:50.05HamishTPBI think you can run PS no problem using wine
19:50.17HamishTPBthere are others apart from GIMP as well
19:50.28HamishTPBKrita in KOffice for example
19:50.43HamishTPBgood luck in whatever you use though :)
19:51.01Death_Wishyeah trying to make something for my ex :P
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19:51.31SimAtWorkPS runs in Crossover
19:51.34SimAtWorknot so much in wine
19:51.41Death_Wishcrossover cause money :(
19:51.41SimAtWorkGIMP is great
19:51.57SimAtWorkPS costs a lot more money
19:51.59SimAtWorkso does windows
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19:52.30Death_Wishi got mine free :D
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19:52.45SimAtWorkthen be a filthy dirty pirate and get crossover for free too
19:53.11Death_Wishno my friend's bought it and all and gave me it cause he didn't like it
19:53.18SimAtWorkwindows?
19:53.19SimAtWorkor PS?
19:53.22Death_WishPS
19:53.26SimAtWorkahh
19:53.29SimAtWorki wouldn't like PS either :)
19:53.32Death_Wishthats how i got it fre
19:53.36Death_Wishfree*
19:53.43SimAtWorkthen you can use cross over
19:53.44Death_Wishi been using PS for over 2 years
19:53.57SimAtWorkcause you saved so much money on PS :)
19:53.58Death_Wishtil I switched to nix
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19:54.12SimAtWorkyou can try wine if you wish
19:54.15Death_Wishhow n e one using Kopete?
19:54.15SimAtWorkbut last i checked it's not great
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19:54.21SimAtWorki'm using kopete
19:54.21SimAtWorkdaily
19:54.31Death_Wishme 2 but how do i send a file through it?
19:55.08SimAtWorkwine setup.exe
19:55.10SimAtWorki beleive
19:55.25SimAtWorki find using wine about as disturbing as using windows so i don't do it much :)
19:55.38Death_Wishhow do i send a file through kopete?
19:55.41SimAtWorkmaybe this'll help though. http://www.google.com/search?q=photoshop&domains=www.winehq.org&sitesearch=www.winehq.org
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19:58.40IceD^ahhaaaaaaaaaaaa!
19:58.41IceD^victory!
19:58.45IceD^solved the problem
19:59.51SimAtWorkswet
19:59.57SimAtWorkwhat was the problem?
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20:07.29IceD^the only thing needed is to diable `autohint` in fonts.conf so it'll use BCI
20:07.41IceD^(Byte Code Interpreter)
20:07.56IceD^I don't care about patents here :))
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20:10.46SimAtWorkwhat is byte code interpreter??
20:11.35Sho_SimAtWork: Depends on the contect. You're reading about fonts, I assume?
20:11.42Sho_s/contect/context/
20:11.44SimAtWorkreading what iced just said
20:11.49Sho_ah
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20:12.03SimAtWorks/./YAY/
20:12.06SimAtWorkawww
20:12.18SimAtWorks/w/h
20:12.23SimAtWorkno fair!
20:12.25Sho_SimAtWork: TrueType fonts have embedded code that tells a renderer how it should be rasterized at which size/resolution. That's called bytecode.
20:12.47Sho_SimAtWork: The piece of software that most likely renders text on your Linux system, the Freetype library, has an interpreter for that bytecode
20:12.47SimAtWorkand that's patented?
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20:13.05Sho_SimAtWork: Yeah unfortunately parts of that technology are patented by Apple and Microsoft
20:13.16Sho_SimAtWork: Which is why the "BCI" (Byte Code Interpreter) is disabled by default
20:13.16SimAtWorkpatents in software are so lame
20:13.18SimAtWorkit makes me sick
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20:15.27IceD^it's not only NO compiles but default
20:15.34IceD^it's disabled in config as well
20:15.38IceD^which is sick
20:15.50IceD^== in default configs
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20:15.57IceD^and BCI is damn fast
20:16.18Sho_Well primarily it also renders well-hinted TrueType fonts a lot better than the auto-hinter
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20:16.31IceD^(and the algo itself is really simple)
20:16.46IceD^but if we have patents for double-click....
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20:19.53napoleaoanyone know a good ftp program for kde, similar do gftp
20:21.09PhilRodnapoleao: konqueror, kget or kftpgrabber may do what you need
20:21.21napoleaothanks
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20:26.35IceD^napoleao: what's wrong w/ wget?
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20:34.03devazionIceD^: How about putting files too? Does wget do that for you too? Why not just let him use Konqueror?
20:35.21napoleaoI am looking for someting similiar to flashfxp
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20:41.53D-N-Awhere  can i find the clipboard  on ma system ?
20:41.56D-N-A?
20:41.57PhilRodnext to the floppy disc drive
20:42.00D-N-A??
20:42.03PhilRodthat's my not-so-subtle way of saying "I don't really understand your question. Could you explain a little better what you're asking?"
20:43.05D-N-Ai saved some files to clipboard ,  where i can find clip board on my KDE
20:44.44D-N-APhilRod,  can you help
20:46.04D-N-A??
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20:48.02PhilRodpress Ctrl+V
20:48.50PhilRodif klipper is running, it can show you the clipboard history
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20:56.59D-N-APhilRod,  I SAW THE history
20:57.10D-N-Abut how can i  open clipboard
20:57.18D-N-A?
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21:02.11D-N-A???????
21:02.34pinotreeD-N-A: what about:
21:02.41pinotreea) clicking on klipper
21:02.49pinotreeb) be more patient?
21:02.55D-N-Aok
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21:03.35D-N-Apinotree,  and then
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21:03.58pinotreedon't you get a popup menu by cliking on klipper?
21:04.04D-N-Apinotree,  i wanna open the text that i saved to clipboard
21:04.11D-N-Ayes
21:04.16pinotreeselect it and paste in any editor
21:04.21pinotreethat's easy
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21:06.14D-N-Apinotree,  oh! thnx  ! i think i'm very floish
21:06.19D-N-Afolish
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21:12.06_matejD-N-A: or you can try dcop klipper klipper getClipboardHistoryMenu, which throws to stdout whole klipper (or you can select particular piece of clipboard history with dcop klipper klipper getClipboardHistoryItem(int i)
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21:17.54spiritzI'm running latest kde from ubuntu dapper; it seems that my ioslave daap:/ does not work, is it working for u?
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21:22.24Belegdolhi. is it possible to make arts work with dmix?
21:22.35HamishTPByes
21:22.59HamishTPBBelegdol: select alsa as your sound system in arts control and in .asoundrc make dmix the default plug
21:23.11Belegdoljust it?
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21:23.32HamishTPB?
21:23.37BelegdolI'll try. dmix is the default plug for my card
21:23.39HamishTPBk
21:23.51HamishTPBshould work fine with arts using alsa then
21:24.00HamishTPBBUT
21:24.09mainare there apps that read and display S.M.A.R.T attributes from hdds?
21:24.10HamishTPBbeware of ARTS blocking apps that don't know about it
21:24.20maini cant find any.
21:24.36Belegdolshould I enable full duplex too?
21:24.55HamishTPBI would normally yes
21:25.13HamishTPBnn
21:25.15HamishTPBoff for now
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21:29.35BelegdolI'm back
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21:30.23Belegdoldo not
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21:33.43bulio/usr/share/pixmaps/xchat.png
21:33.45buliothat?
21:33.58Belegdolshould I install kdemultimedia in order to hear 'beeps'?
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21:35.42StevenRBelegdol: beeps? what sort fo beeps?
21:35.55Belegdolaudio notifications
21:36.04buliois there a way to make plastik transparent?
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21:36.26Belegdolbulio: use composite
21:36.27buliolike you can with the KDE toolbar
21:36.42Belegdolbut be wart that it's unsable
21:36.56Belegdolbe warn
21:36.56buliooh :/
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21:37.38buliocan't find Xchat.png :(
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21:38.10Aronofskyhi , silly question , but i dont know how to delete trash icon from desktop , is it possible ?
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21:40.02Aronofskyanyone ?
21:40.10BilleAronofsky: cd ~/Desktop
21:40.36Billerm ~/trash.desktop
21:40.41Billeoops
21:40.43Billerm trash.desktop
21:40.52Billeand it's gone :)
21:41.04Aronofskyok , thx , sorry it was obvious
21:41.16BlissexAronofsky: you don't really need to, but you can delete the '.desktop' file as <Bille> says or perhaps you just want to look right click, and look at 'Configure Desktop:Behaviour'
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21:43.18BilleBlissex: i don't see the option there?
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21:44.18BlissexBille: 'Show icons on desktop', assuming that the 'Trash' was his last icon and he just wanted to have a desktop without any icon on it.
21:45.13BilleBlissex: brutal logic :).  I assumed Aronofsky wants a mac style trashcan in the panel and regular icons on the desktop.
21:45.43BlissexBille: yes, that's why I wrote «perhaps»... I prefer a desktop without any icons myself.
21:46.05srednaMAN
21:46.12srednaNEVER use tables in kword
21:46.19sredna... nothing new under the sun :(
21:48.15BilleBlissex: i like my KDE reminding my of my amiga and lisa, they came first
21:48.39BlissexBille: nostalgia is the same it was :-).
21:49.15srednaUsing tables with kword makes KDE feel like windows: Random crashing :(
21:49.45Blissexsredna: let's say that KOffice is not yet as polished as the rest of KDE :-)
21:50.27Blissexsredna: but OOo is getting more and more KDE compatible with time.
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21:50.48srednaLast time I used OOo it was a horror
21:51.04PhilRodurgh
21:51.14PhilRodone of the least nice features of the otehrwise nice latex :-)
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21:51.18PhilRodotherwise*
21:51.31PhilRodthe worst feature of all being its error reporting, of course :-)
21:51.39chuckrI'm finding it impossible to use keyboard shortcuts to switch workspaces or move windows between workspaces.
21:51.48chuckrI'
21:51.53StevenRPhilRod: longtable is your friend :)...as is the long sequence of sed and perl that I converted csv to latex tables with :)
21:52.35chuckrI'm not certain I'm configur9ing things right ... is the action of selecting the currently active set of keyboard shortcuts in the same menu that sets the shortcuts?
21:54.02chuckrI have configued switching workspace one to the left as being control-left, but actually pressing this has the action of moving ythe currently highlighted file on the desktoip
21:54.29srednaHow can kword resize linked copies of frames randomly? :(
21:54.32chuckrI shouldn't say mving, what happens is that a different file becomes highlighted
21:54.42srednaIt' not useable
21:55.15srednaSometimes they just dissapear into the blue
21:55.21chuckrI can wait,  or I could use mail... should I use mail?
21:55.33srednaSometimes an extra page is added to my document, with no content on it
21:57.02PhilRodStevenR: heh :-)
21:57.10srednaI must produce a series of screenshots someday
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22:05.37MitjaWhere is the session saved?
22:07.14sredna~/.kde/share/config/sessions
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22:07.31buliohow do I disable system sounds?
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22:07.51PhilRodcontrol center -> sound & mm -> system notificaitons -> disable all sounds
22:08.07Billebulio: think he wants to disable all sounds?  tell him to scissor the speaker cables, go on ;)
22:08.17srednaWhen saving the document, kword for NO REASON resizes the master of the linked frames. The two linked copies appears to work
22:08.27Billes/bulio/blissex/
22:09.05bulioheh
22:09.11buliono, just KDE system sounds
22:09.18buliolike this unny noise that keps plying
22:09.59srednaWhere do I disable all kword table bugs?
22:10.11sredna:p
22:10.14PhilRodsredna: settings->configure kword->disable bugs
22:10.34srednaAh, I never found that one...
22:10.55srednaU mean in the Table tab, right?
22:11.14buliowhats the best kde theme site?
22:11.18PhilRodkde-look.org
22:11.20buliokde-look.org?
22:11.23buliook
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22:12.01srednaGood night
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22:13.23PhilRodnight  sredna
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22:15.21nico8481hi
22:15.28PhilRodhi nico8481
22:16.16nico8481i'm trying to get KDE to set a keyboard shortcut to switch the layout of my keyboard... is it in "Xkb options" ?
22:16.33nico8481because these options do not seem very clear to me...
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22:19.28Billenico8481: no, keyboard shortcuts->global shortcuts
22:19.47Billenico8481: "Switch to next keyboard layout"
22:20.11Billectrl+alt+k by default
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22:23.49m_tadeuhi everyone...when i try to open a contact with kontact i get the following error
22:23.53m_tadeuThe resource '/home/miguel/.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf' is locked by application ''.
22:24.07m_tadeudoes anyone know whats wrong?
22:24.30nico8481thanks Bille, found it...
22:24.53nico8481too bad you can't use only "modifier keys" :(
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22:25.33nico8481I used to use the windows key for that purpose under gnome... but obviously here it needs a "real key" too, it won't take only a modifier one...
22:25.35evilbulgarianho did konqueror integrate into svn was it svn:/ ?
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22:26.54Billenico8481: you can mess with the modifier keys as well, stop them being modifiers if you like.
22:27.15ncetervalHow do I end a KDM session from within a different session?
22:27.21Billem_tadeu: sometimes a stale lockfile gets left
22:28.23Billem_tadeu: look in ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc/lock/
22:28.31nico8481Bille: hmm... i'll have a look at that later... thanks :)
22:28.41Billesee if the process named in the lockfile there is still active
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22:30.20Billem_tadeu: end the process if it's still going, remove the lockfile, and the error message should go away
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22:31.56slaffkoo what a hell!!!!!
22:32.04slaffkowhere am I ?
22:32.10m_tadeuBille: ok..i'll give it a shot :)
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22:36.49m_tadeuBille: it worked...thanx a lot :) cheers
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22:42.38nico8481is it possible to import your mails from Evolution to Kmail ?
22:43.54Billenico8481: yes
22:44.16nico8481Bille: how? :)
22:44.43Billenico8481: see the File->Import Messages... tool.
22:45.21nico8481Bille: yes i've seen that option but it's shadowed... can't select it... :-/
22:45.39Billenico8481: try to start 'kmailcvt' by hand then,.
22:47.45nico8481Bille: not found... maybe i should install it :)
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22:48.02Billenico8481: might be a plan :)
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22:57.01nico8481Bille: hmm... whether i can't find the right directory to use or it doesn't work... :-/
22:57.39Billenico8481: did you install it?
22:57.59_dicehey
22:58.02pinotreeohy
22:58.22_dicehas anyone been succesful getting animated gifs to play as a background wallpaper
22:58.31Billenico8481: kmailcvt is in kdepim3 on suse at least, so i guess you aren't using suse, or you wouldn't have kmail either.
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23:00.31LsD-im having a small problem with kde... lets say i install kscreensavers ... when i right click on desktop and go to screensavers there is none in the list.. i thought maybe permissions were bad but i added a new user and started kde there and they still dont appear
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23:01.48nico8481Bille: just switched from ubuntu to kubuntu (just needed to apt-get one meta-package)
23:02.48Erha( Gentoo / X.org / KDE 3.4 ) I currently have a two monitor setup where I have two independent desktops (both with own kicker et cetera).  What I want is only one KDE desktop / window manager (kwin?) to be started, and the second monitor/screen to remain blank until I force something onto it ( $ DISPLAY=":0.1" mplayer tv://4 )
23:03.19BilleErha: worksforme.
23:03.40BilleErha: where does it go wrong for you?
23:04.09ErhaErha: How do you mean?  I am essentially looking to get rid of KDE from the second monitor/screen.
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23:04.27BilleErha: ah, KDE starts on both for you?
23:04.39ErhaErha:  The DISPLAY thing works for me two, but presently my computer is running two kickers, (and I assume two of quite a few other KDE daemons/base apps)
23:04.43ErhaBille: Yeah.
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23:05.03Billeyeah, kicker, kwin, kdesktop all fork if they detect a 2nd screen, now, what was the config to turn that off...?
23:05.07Billehang on a mo.
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23:05.16Erha=)
23:05.21ErhaThanks.
23:05.30Virtualhow do I start a program to be in the tray automagicly ?
23:06.15BilleVirtual: click the window icon, advanced, special application settings, explore
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23:07.46Virtuali don`t have special application settings
23:07.56BilleErha: try exporting KDE_MULTIHEAD=false
23:08.24ErhaWhere do I put that?
23:08.59BilleErha: in your .profile, would be one place, or .xinitrc
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23:09.59BilleErha: test it in your login -killall kdesktop
23:10.19Billethen KDE_MULTIHEAD=false kdesktop
23:10.36ErhaSorry.  Where is .xinitrc?  I know I can place it in my home directory... but by that point KDE is already on both screens--since the login prompt.  (Or will it work anyways?)
23:11.03BilleErha: just to make sure i am right, in your current session, do the steps above
23:11.37Bille(killall kdesktop, set the variable, restart kdesktop, and make sure it doesn't come back on both displays
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23:12.04wwallace_laphello to all
23:12.24wwallace_lapi installed e17 but kde is not giving me the option in session type?
23:12.29wwallace_lapwhat could be wrong?
23:13.50Billewwallace_lap: i guess you're talking about KDM?  if so, it's not configured to present e17 as an option.
23:14.16wwallace_laphow do i do that?
23:15.08ErhaBille: Yeah it worked.
23:15.18ErhaSo just put it in .xinitrc in my home directory?
23:15.24wwallace_lapi did Xnest -ac :1 | enlightenment -display :1  and i got e17 running but i want the option at the beggining
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23:15.58BilleErha: yes, export that variable there, and relogin
23:16.11Billewwallace_lap: good question.
23:16.32nico8481Bille: any idea why it could not work?
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23:17.17Billenico8481: i'm not sure where you're currently at
23:17.23nico8481Bille: i'm trying to import from ~/.evolution/mail/local
23:17.30nico8481Bille: what do you mean?
23:18.00Billenico8481: from the last thing you said, I understood that you don't have kmailcvt installed - right?
23:18.57nico8481Bille: yes i have... but when you run it you have to tell him the "root" directory of Evolution's mails... which is, i think, ~/.evolution/mail/local
23:19.11nico8481but it doesn't import anything
23:19.29nico8481even if I try ~/.evolution/mail or ~/.evolution
23:20.22Billenico8481: not sure. do you have mbox format mails as kmailcvt says?
23:20.25nico8481Bille: oops nevermind... didn't select the correct version of evolution :P
23:21.12nico8481Bille: ok it works now... thanks anyway :)
23:21.43Billewwallace_lap: do you have /usr/share/xsessions?
23:21.58wwallace_lapdo i have lemme c
23:22.34wwallace_lapwwallace@mp3j2:/usr/share/xsessions$ ls
23:22.34wwallace_lapIceWM.desktop  enlightenment.desktop  kde.desktop
23:22.35wwallace_lapwwallace@mp3j2:/usr/share/xsessions$
23:22.56Billewwallace_lap: afaik, kdm reads those files to see what session types to offer
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23:23.15Billeyou could copy/rename one of those, and edit it to specify e17
23:23.26wwallace_lapenlightment
23:23.37wwallace_lapis the one i want but i dont see it
23:23.38Billewwallace_lap: i don't know any more about e17 or kdm really so you're on your own.
23:23.40wwallace_lapsrating up
23:23.54wwallace_lapok thank you
23:24.52pjv_in my main panel i have a systems tray, i have a taskbar, and a quicklauncher, i have these borders between them, is there a way i can get rid of those borders?
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23:25.42Billepjv_: yup
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23:26.16Billepjv_: get the configure panel dialog up.
23:26.26Billepjv_: go to appearance, click Advanced settings.
23:26.26pjv_uhuh
23:26.44Billethen you can control the Applet Handles there
23:27.36pjv_aww that's nice
23:27.39pjv_cheers
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23:28.30Billenp :)
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23:37.47df00zHey
23:37.58df00zis there any way to tell what way your pixels are aligned on an LCD for subpixel font hinting?
23:38.09df00zlike RGB, BGR, vert RGB or vert BGR
23:38.31qupadadf00z: grab a magnifying glass
23:39.13qupadahowever, there is about a 1/1,000,000 chance that it isn't RGB, so just go with it
23:39.20df00zhmm
23:39.31qupadathe vertical ones of course only come into play if you're using an lcd in portrait mode
23:39.42df00zAh
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23:43.59df00zThis is weird
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23:46.10araizenDOES ANYONE KNOW HOW I CAN 1) GET CAPS LOCK TO WORK AGAIN, AND 2) SET A KEYBOARD SHORTCUT TO CHANGING THE KEYBOARD LAYOUT?
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23:48.30araizenCAN ANYONE HELP ME? I CHOOSE 'CAPS LOCK CHANGES GROUP' IN THE KEYBOARD LAYOUT CONFIG IN AN ATTEMPT TO GET A KEYBOARD SHORTCUT WORKING TO CHANGE KEYBOARD LAYOUTS, AND THAT DID NOT WORK TO CHANGE THE KEYBOARD LAYOUT, BUT MY CAPS LOCK IS NOW STUCK ON.
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23:53.30Blissexaraizen: 'CAPS LOCK CHANGES GROUP' has nothing to do with Caps Lock, it switches the Caps Lock key to be the group switch (foreign characters)
23:53.57Blissexaraizen: probably you switched the Caps Lock function to another key, and you just need to toggle that key.
23:54.22araizenDO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW I CAN TELL WHAT KEY IT IS MAPPED TO?
23:55.17Blissexaraizen: pointless, just reset it to Caps Lock for the time being. But just look at the 'Regional&Accessibility:Keyboard Layouts:Xkb Options' options.
23:55.42araizenI DIDN'T INTENTIONALLY CHANGE IT TO ANYTHING, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CHANGE IT BACK
23:55.51Blissexaraizen: just have a look there...
23:55.52araizenIT'S THE SAME ON ALL THE KEYBOARD LAYOUTS THAT I HAVE INSTALLED, BTW
23:55.58Blissexaraizen: just have a look there...
23:56.34araizenHAVE A LOOK WHERE?
23:56.46Blissexaraizen: as to the shortcut, have a look at 'Regional & Accessibility:Keyboard Shortcuts' usually CTRL-ALT-K is for 'Switch to Next Keyboard Layout'
23:56.59Blissexaraizen: 'Regional&Accessibility:Keyboard Layouts:Xkb Options' thats where you should look
23:58.07araizenYEAH, I'VE BEEN THERE NUMEROUS TIMES, AND NEITHER SELECTING NOR CLEARING 'CAPS LOCK KEY CHANGES GROUP' HAS ANY EFFECT ON THE FUNCTIONALITY OF MY CAPS LOCK KEY
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23:59.19araizenNOR 'RESET OLD OPTIONS'
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23:59.58araizenI CAN'T EVEN CHECK OUT THE MAN PAGE FOR SETXKBMAP BECAUSE I CAN'T TYPE LOWERCASE

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