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| 00:03.21 | barata | nóis capota mas num breca |
| 00:03.44 | The_And1 | my altgr button doesn't work. how do i fix that. I use x, kde, gui |
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| 00:05.34 | Buddha| | The_And1: what is an 'altgr' button? |
| 00:05.37 | L|M|TED | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.02 | The_And1 | I have a problem with my alt gr button. I'm running Debian with kde. I had gui, x, and fluxbox installed by my friend. I don't get any output at all when i try to push the button. I know that there's some config file that i need to change, but which one i don't know. |
| 00:10.35 | pinotree | The_And1: AltGr is usually a modifier key, so you use it do to key combinations like AltGr+e, exactly with Ctrl+x, etc |
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| 00:11.19 | Buddha| | I'm still wondering what 'AltGr' is |
| 00:11.50 | pinotree | Buddha|: dont you have a key just on the left of the space bar? |
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| 00:12.05 | Buddha| | pinotree - yes |
| 00:12.26 | pinotree | on the right - sorry |
| 00:12.32 | Buddha| | yes |
| 00:12.42 | pinotree | ok - that is AltGr :) |
| 00:13.02 | Buddha| | okay, so what does the 'Gr' mean? |
| 00:13.04 | pinotree | its meaning it almost like Alt, but once it was diffent |
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| 00:13.10 | pinotree | Gr should be Graphical |
| 00:13.36 | Buddha| | ah! Maybe that's why AltGr+Tab works differently than Alt+Tab |
| 00:13.37 | The_And1 | aha.. well im a swed and swedish keyboards tend to have a alt-gr button |
| 00:14.01 | The_And1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.19 | pinotree | The_And1: AltGr is quite standard nowadays... ¬.¬ |
| 00:14.41 | The_And1 | http://www.thepotato.net/altgr.jpg |
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| 00:16.38 | thiago | Gr = Grey |
| 00:16.46 | thiago | AltGr is NOT Alt |
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| 00:18.32 | Buddha| | So is that why Left-Alt+Tab works differently from Right-Alt+Tab on a US keyboard? |
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| 00:19.01 | The_And1 | lol (if i may say so) |
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| 00:19.32 | thiago | are you sure both of your keys are Alt? |
| 00:20.04 | thiago | use xev to make sure |
| 00:20.30 | The_And1 | the one to the left is regular "alt" the on to the right of space is "alt gr" used for making @ but that i can't make so i have to copy paste it all the fucking time |
| 00:21.09 | Buddha| | thiago - Left-Alt gives keycode 64, Alt_L; Right-Alt gives keycode 113, Alt_R |
| 00:21.35 | Buddha| | The_And1 - Shift+2 doesn't work for that? |
| 00:22.14 | thiago | hmm... |
| 00:22.20 | thiago | that's interesting |
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| 00:22.48 | thiago | shouldn't happen, though |
| 00:23.15 | The_And1 | no get quotetation marks instead """" |
| 00:23.39 | Buddha| | thiago - it's cool. Right-Alt+Tab switches between the two most recently used windows, which can be useful. |
| 00:23.54 | thiago | hey, I didn't know that |
| 00:23.59 | Buddha| | The_And1 - ah. I guess Swedish and US keyboards are very different. |
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| 00:24.13 | Buddha| | thiago - does it do that for you, too? |
| 00:24.31 | thiago | no |
| 00:24.35 | thiago | I don't have two Alts |
| 00:24.42 | thiago | I have one Alt and one AltGr |
| 00:24.49 | Buddha| | oh |
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| 00:25.49 | L|M|TED | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.52 | Buddha| | All of my keyboards have two Alts, except for my Mac keyboard, which has no Alts. (You have to press a Fn+Option to get Alt) |
| 00:29.34 | The_And1 | i truly believe you're right. "you know you're right - nirvana" / nirvana a stage every buddhist is trying to accomplish / accomplish a word meaning something to achieve / achieve meaning something to *a WTF |
| 00:32.42 | The_And1 | "please enter the video card's bus identifier" w00t???? |
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| 00:42.27 | SirKillalot | can I create right-click-on-a-file scripts for konq like I can do in nautilus? |
| 00:44.00 | thiago | describe |
| 00:44.03 | L|M|TED | http://24.36.93.155/1.png http://24.36.93.155/2.png , thats my dual monitor setup, is it possible to make both look the same, 2.png is the ugly version.... |
| 00:44.20 | thiago | L|M|TED: Xinerama? |
| 00:44.39 | L|M|TED | xinerama is on |
| 00:44.42 | L|M|TED | clone is off |
| 00:44.52 | L|M|TED | in xorg.conf |
| 00:44.56 | thiago | then set your configuration for "all screens" instead of per screen |
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| 00:45.13 | L|M|TED | in xorg.conf ? |
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| 00:45.38 | thiago | no, in the KDE desktop and panel configuration |
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| 00:46.04 | L|M|TED | well all my changes r done now, i dont remember all i have modified.... |
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| 00:58.49 | Buddha| | Is there a Last.fm plugin for Amarok? |
| 01:00.47 | jhutchins | Buddha|: As far as I know, amarok doesn't play the files itself, it just organizes them. |
| 01:02.03 | jhutchins | Buddha|: Sorry, slightly less ignorant now. |
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| 01:03.32 | hagabaka | what's the "On screen keyboard" called? |
| 01:03.58 | Buddha| | jhutchins: ? |
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| 01:06.03 | hagabaka | Buddha| < amaroK integrates with last.fm by itself, no plugin needed |
| 01:06.16 | Buddha| | ah! neat |
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| 01:11.21 | useruser_ | I just discovered that konqueror does very nice things to javascript files. Is there a text editor which gives them a similar treatment? |
| 01:13.07 | thiago | what do you mean? |
| 01:15.02 | useruser | i mean, it does syntax highlighting, code folding and so on. |
| 01:15.23 | useruser | is konq using highlighting from a text editor? |
| 01:15.36 | useruser | ie is there an editor which gives JS files the same treatment? |
| 01:16.00 | Sho_ | useruser: Kate |
| 01:16.12 | Sho_ | useruser: From your description, Konqueror embedded katepart |
| 01:16.15 | useruser | Sho_: cool, I'll try it out |
| 01:16.26 | Sho_ | useruser: KDE has a strong component model that allows for such resuse |
| 01:16.43 | useruser | Sho_: yeah, that's what I suspected, hence my question :) |
| 01:16.53 | Sho_ | useruser: If you have kdesdk installed, which contains kompare, a GUI frontend to diff3, kate integrates with it |
| 01:17.10 | Sho_ | useruser: kate is in kdebase, although kdeaddons contains a number of useful addons for it |
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| 01:17.27 | useruser | Sho_: well i don't use a full kde desktop, so I have to install it |
| 01:17.44 | useruser | Sho_: will kompare generate cvs diffs for me? |
| 01:17.50 | Sho_ | useruser: yeah, that's why I'm telling you where to find things ;) |
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| 01:18.37 | Sho_ | useruser: kdesdk also contains cervisia, KDEs CVS client. With Cervisia installed, Kompare should be able to access CSS files. |
| 01:18.40 | L|M|TED | thiago |
| 01:18.43 | thiago | yes? |
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| 01:18.56 | L|M|TED | spanning desktops sort of gives me waht i need |
| 01:19.08 | Sho_ | useruser: I notice that Kate has a Tools->Compare Current Document to CVS ;) |
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| 01:19.22 | Sho_ | useruser: Err, and I meant CVS files. Sorry, tired here. |
| 01:19.31 | L|M|TED | but i infact need, individual desktops, with same configs (same as display (:0.0) |
| 01:19.50 | Wesley | why does the plastik window decorations get smaller? |
| 01:19.53 | Sho_ | useruser: So, bottom line, I recommend getting Kate, Kompare, Cervisia, and the addons for kate from the kdeaddons module ;) |
| 01:20.19 | useruser | Sho_: hm, I don't have that menu item in kate. maybe it's an addon |
| 01:20.42 | useruser | Sho_: but it is kate I was after. very pretty. |
| 01:21.58 | Wesley | does anyone know of the situation i speak of? |
| 01:22.14 | L|M|TED | thiago: when i use individual desktops, screen :0.0 uses the modifications i made, but screen :0.1 uses defaults i think. Perhaps, i need my user specific settings to be made global, so when screen :0.1 tries to inherit the settings, it gets the same stuff as :0.0 |
| 01:22.20 | L|M|TED | is that making sense? |
| 01:23.23 | Wesley | anyone? i cant get fonts to antialias either.. |
| 01:23.40 | thiago | L|M|TED: I don't use separate screens |
| 01:23.50 | thiago | Wesley: what do you mean smaller? |
| 01:24.07 | Wesley | it just shrunk somehow |
| 01:24.19 | Wesley | and at the same time my fonts went bad |
| 01:24.25 | Wesley | and dont antiialias anymore |
| 01:24.35 | thiago | change it back |
| 01:24.54 | Wesley | me? |
| 01:25.00 | thiago | yes |
| 01:25.03 | Wesley | i was asking how |
| 01:25.06 | Wesley | thats why im here |
| 01:25.12 | thiago | in the KDE Control Center |
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| 01:25.21 | thiago | possibly by changing the font sizes |
| 01:25.26 | thiago | your two problems are likely connected |
| 01:25.31 | miguel | l |
| 01:25.46 | Wesley | it was after i changed my theme |
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| 01:25.51 | Wesley | and it wont change back |
| 01:25.58 | thiago | unset the theme |
| 01:26.09 | Wesley | i changed the theme already |
| 01:26.11 | Wesley | back and forth |
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| 01:27.26 | nate6fu | l |
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| 01:32.40 | useruser | Sho_: I got that compare to CVS menu item by installing kompare, but it doesn't appear to work... |
| 01:32.50 | useruser | Sho_: kompare appears, but there's never anything in it |
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| 01:34.05 | useruser | ah well, back to the warm embrace of emacs I go :P |
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| 01:44.00 | DexterF | hi |
| 01:44.05 | pfred1 | hello |
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| 01:44.35 | DexterF | *complete* and outmot off topic question: does anyone know an active shadowrun irc? |
| 01:45.06 | ChrisBradley | Cool - On this PC I can have the best of both worlds |
| 01:45.23 | ChrisBradley | I've got KDE and Xfce4 running in 2 different sessions |
| 01:45.24 | pfred1 | ChrisBradley there are only two worlds? |
| 01:45.32 | ChrisBradley | Maybe even more |
| 01:46.04 | ChrisBradley | I'd like to figure out the uses of remote desktop |
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| 01:46.25 | ChrisBradley | I'm gonna try it when I get my other PC connected to the net |
| 01:46.40 | pfred1 | ChrisBradley I think the uses of remote desktop are for when you happen to be away from your desk? |
| 01:47.17 | ChrisBradley | Yeah - but I've never had a chance to do that yet... |
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| 01:47.35 | ChrisBradley | Thanks pfred1 - for clearing that up. |
| 01:47.48 | pfred1 | ChrisBradley no problem! |
| 01:48.07 | ChrisBradley | Can a windows user log into a vector desk? |
| 01:48.39 | ChrisBradley | I assume not |
| 01:48.56 | ChrisBradley | since it requires x- and session mgr and all that |
| 01:48.57 | Alethes | with putty and ssh or with vnc, sure |
| 01:48.59 | pfred1 | anything is possible |
| 01:49.27 | Alethes | or with a win32 X server and X forwarding |
| 01:49.41 | ChrisBradley | I thought they were joking when they said putty |
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| 01:49.54 | pfred1 | big ssh client |
| 01:50.02 | ChrisBradley | I can test that from my Win2k partition on the other box |
| 01:50.17 | ChrisBradley | glad I kept it :) |
| 01:50.23 | Alethes | the X session would have to be running |
| 01:50.39 | ChrisBradley | on the remote PC right? |
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| 01:50.46 | Alethes | ...day 3 of compiling kde and its deps from source *sigh* |
| 01:50.47 | Alethes | yeah |
| 01:50.54 | Alethes | not from the same machine |
| 01:51.13 | Alethes | unless you did something funky with a virtual machine or something |
| 01:51.18 | Alethes | I don't know how that'd work though |
| 01:51.18 | ChrisBradley | So if someone does this - I can "lock session" and shut it down |
| 01:51.29 | Alethes | of course |
| 01:51.36 | ChrisBradley | Cccoool |
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| 01:52.15 | ChrisBradley | You've been lifesavers here guys |
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| 01:52.45 | ChrisBradley | I may end up finding work because of this |
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| 01:53.24 | ChrisBradley | I'll let you know how it turns out |
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| 01:54.53 | The_And1 | Why is it that the maximum resulution i can get in kde is 1152x768 even though the maximum res in x is 1920x1440 in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 01:55.50 | pfred1 | The_And1 are you sure that you are using /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
| 01:56.04 | The_And1 | yes most definetly |
| 01:56.25 | pfred1 | really the best setup i ever had didn't define any modelines |
| 01:56.50 | pfred1 | used some card to monitor communication to make up the modelines on the fly forget what it is called now |
| 01:57.44 | The_And1 | it's just that im trying to get 1280x1024 in resolution but kde still insists that 1152x768 is the highest |
| 01:58.21 | pfred1 | The_And1 you get the resolutions you want in other window managers? |
| 01:58.47 | The_And1 | haven't tried it. I've uninstalled them now |
| 01:59.32 | pfred1 | I mostly run KDE but I do have some other window managers installed always |
| 01:59.35 | The_And1 | What could be the problem? |
| 01:59.52 | pfred1 | I mean heck gnome sucks but I have to have it for some gnome apps that I find useful |
| 01:59.56 | The_And1 | i think i've got fluxbox aswell how... |
| 02:00.34 | pfred1 | The_And1 try xvidtune |
| 02:00.51 | The_And1 | ok |
| 02:00.58 | pfred1 | but do go slowly and auto update |
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| 02:02.27 | fredrikh | The_And1: i suggest reading /var/log/Xorg.0.log carefully... it's quite possible your monitor monitor reports to X it doesn't support that resolution |
| 02:02.54 | pfred1 | yeah if you got monitor communication modelines can be limiting |
| 02:02.56 | The_And1 | I've got xfree86 |
| 02:03.17 | pfred1 | XFree86 does the auto modelines stuff too |
| 02:04.01 | pfred1 | though for laughs i have setup non standard modelines in the past |
| 02:04.21 | pfred1 | I needed some bizarre modeline resolution for xmame once as i can recall |
| 02:06.27 | The_And1 | couldn't find anything in the log file.... |
| 02:08.36 | The_And1 | what could be the problem? |
| 02:12.00 | pfred1 | my guess is that The_And1 doesn't fully understand their system ... |
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| 02:17.28 | uranther | what's a decent p2p client for kde |
| 02:17.40 | teatime | what protocol? |
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| 02:18.26 | DietrichR | KMLDonkey rocks :-D |
| 02:18.32 | uranther | aha, nevermind, found qtella :D |
| 02:19.00 | pfred1 | uranther sounds like a gnome app |
| 02:19.00 | teatime | apollon isn't bad |
| 02:19.07 | DietrichR | Qtella sucks |
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| 02:19.13 | uranther | qtella sucks? :( |
| 02:19.56 | devazion | uranther: like teatime said: appollon is ok :) |
| 02:20.08 | FrostByte | HELP! I updates to kde 3.5.1 and now it I never boots past powersaver |
| 02:20.31 | Ringwraith` | its saving power |
| 02:20.37 | FrostByte | hehe really |
| 02:21.20 | uranther | why does qtella suck? |
| 02:21.22 | Ringwraith` | FrostByte, are you drunk? |
| 02:21.52 | FrostByte | Ringwraith`: I am sober as they come . . are you high? |
| 02:22.10 | Ringwraith` | no |
| 02:22.24 | Ringwraith` | i might be incredibly stupid, but i assure you I am NOT high |
| 02:22.24 | teatime | sad faces all around then |
| 02:22.31 | FrostByte | ok |
| 02:22.58 | FrostByte | well the question you asked me was a little off . . so I wasnt sure if you wanted me to ask you the same type of " off " question |
| 02:23.42 | pfred1 | I was high last nite |
| 02:23.50 | Ringwraith` | excellent |
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| 02:24.18 | pfred1 | tonite for kicks I am trolling in freebsd |
| 02:24.47 | Ringwraith` | cool |
| 02:24.52 | Ringwraith` | why not #gnome |
| 02:24.57 | pfred1 | Alethes why? you'll never use 1/10th of what you have and at that probably won't do anything stellar with those |
| 02:25.04 | Ringwraith` | they need some for creating shitty dialog boxes |
| 02:25.10 | Alethes | my brain needs all the help it can get :) |
| 02:26.08 | pfred1 | Alethes google nootropics |
| 02:28.22 | jtate | pfred1: I wonder if snopes debunks that myth |
| 02:28.35 | Hairulfr | Hey, arhm, I've been wondering, what is the shortcut for "send to desktop..."? Is there one ? |
| 02:28.38 | jtate | (the 10% brain cells myth) |
| 02:28.42 | pfred1 | jtate what myth? |
| 02:29.25 | pfred1 | jtate doesn't matter intelligance isn't a survival trait anyways |
| 02:29.49 | Hairulfr | hmmm |
| 02:29.49 | jtate | :) |
| 02:29.50 | Alethes | haha |
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| 02:30.15 | pfred1 | jtate all the cockroaches and sharks all over the world are laughing at you right now! |
| 02:33.35 | visik7 | konqueror can't upload images on ebay what's wrong with post ? |
| 02:33.58 | pfred1 | visik7 why would you host your images on ebay? |
| 02:34.19 | pfred1 | visik7 are you some sort of scammer or something? |
| 02:34.29 | visik7 | pfred1: when I create an auction I need to upload images for the icon of the post |
| 02:34.38 | visik7 | no I'm not a scammer |
| 02:35.07 | pfred1 | visik7 what is the matter with you then everyone else left on ebay is! |
| 02:36.10 | pfred1 | what am i bid for this image of a 42" flat panel plasma monitor? |
| 02:36.33 | visik7 | uh ? |
| 02:36.34 | pfred1 | and what can I get for Elian Gonzales raft? |
| 02:36.47 | pfred1 | visik7 popular fleabay scams |
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| 02:37.28 | pfred1 | buy it now for $.99 flat shipping rate of only $24.99 ! |
| 02:37.46 | qupada | pfred1: don't you just love it |
| 02:37.59 | Ringwraith` | we'll even cover it in refried beans for ya! |
| 02:38.06 | pfred1 | qupada yeah the bastards on ebay must htink that i cannot read or something |
| 02:38.19 | qupada | you'd think ebay might implement some policy where if the shipping was so many times larger than the item cost your listing gets deleted |
| 02:38.43 | pfred1 | I know what the flat shipping rate scam is all about it is to get around ebay's listing fees |
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| 02:39.04 | Ringwraith` | well then that isnt so bad |
| 02:39.13 | Ringwraith` | since they keep raising them |
| 02:39.29 | qupada | anywhere there are online auctions you will find people pulling that scam though |
| 02:39.54 | pfred1 | back when i did ebay it wasn't as comon a practice as it is today |
| 02:40.13 | pfred1 | today i just go to ebay for entertainment purposes |
| 02:41.05 | qupada | even with the ripoff shipping fees if it's cheaper from ebay i'll buy it |
| 02:41.37 | pfred1 | qupada depends what it is but usually I'd prefer someone who can stand behind their offerings |
| 02:42.13 | qupada | the other thing that really gets to me is paying USD$12 for shipping, then you get a package shipped by standard air mail, not even freighted, with HKD$28 of stamps on it, total value about USD $7 |
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| 02:42.40 | pfred1 | qupada yup you can read right on the packages what it cost to ship them |
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| 02:43.25 | pfred1 | I guess that is what negative feedback is for though |
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| 02:44.02 | Ringwraith` | fuck |
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| 02:45.32 | qupada | pfred1: when the thing i bought was still half the price of walking to town and buying one in a shop, i aint about to complain |
| 02:46.06 | pfred1 | qupada if it breaks you'll be howling! |
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| 02:47.51 | qupada | pfred1: the example overcharged shipping was a desk stand for my cellphone. if it breaks i'll call sony ericsson toll-free and bullshit them into thinking i bought it here |
| 02:47.51 | pfred1 | qupada one lesson I keep failing to learn myself is the lowest price is not always the most inexpensive |
| 02:48.21 | qupada | no, indeed it isn't |
| 02:48.35 | qupada | you have to tread carefully through the minefield for sure |
| 02:49.34 | pfred1 | free is hard to beat though |
| 02:50.19 | pfred1 | I just got a pair of speakers at the town dumps the other day I figured hey for the price I'll take the risk got them home hooked them up they work! |
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| 02:50.54 | qupada | heh |
| 02:51.08 | Alethes | wonder how hard it'd be to make kwin be able to use metacity themes |
| 02:51.12 | pfred1 | I always wanted speakers with 12" woofers in them |
| 02:51.15 | Alethes | since they're not images |
| 02:51.41 | lgsobalvarro | hi |
| 02:51.45 | Ringwraith` | i want one piece of glass called the floor |
| 02:51.46 | Dhraakellian | okay, that's odd |
| 02:51.48 | qupada | Alethes: there is the equivalent to the gtk-qt engine that puts gtk themes on qt apps |
| 02:51.51 | Ringwraith` | and want that as a fucking speaker |
| 02:51.55 | Dhraakellian | why would I be unable to change the time? |
| 02:52.05 | Alethes | qupada: that's only for the widets -- not the window manager |
| 02:52.29 | qupada | oh, you want window decorations? |
| 02:52.32 | Alethes | yeah |
| 02:52.44 | Ringwraith` | hehe widets |
| 02:52.48 | Alethes | haha |
| 02:52.54 | Alethes | oops? ;) |
| 02:52.56 | Dhraakellian | I got to the kcontrol module from the clock applet, and I gave it my root password |
| 02:53.02 | qupada | tried kde-look.org for a ported copy? |
| 02:53.08 | Alethes | of the themes? |
| 02:53.10 | Dhraakellian | but teh actual clock part is greyed out |
| 02:53.21 | Dhraakellian | I can only seem to change the time zone |
| 02:55.26 | Dhraakellian | does anyone know why this might be? |
| 02:55.43 | Dhraakellian | (KDE 3.5.1, gentoo split ebuilds) |
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| 03:01.30 | pfred1 | Dhraakellian oh oh i think i know why! |
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| 03:01.53 | andrej^^ | my smtp daemon is turned off , any idea how to run it ? |
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| 03:04.03 | Dhraakellian | pfred1: well, I got it to work by running it from the commandline as root without an option that it was putting at the end |
| 03:06.34 | pfred1 | Dhraakellian I use an aliased rdate command personally |
| 03:06.47 | pfred1 | ntp is a bit much overhead for my tastes just to set the time |
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| 03:12.53 | stevenm | Hi. In the KDE desktop, is there a way to increase the threshold for wrapping icon names? Or make the icond bigger for that matter? |
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| 03:15.05 | islamguide_com | hi |
| 03:15.12 | islamguide_com | how do i disable superkaramba? |
| 03:15.49 | qupada | islamguide_com: have a look in ~/.kde/Autostart to see if it's loading from there when you log in |
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| 03:27.30 | pfred1 | OK I'm dangerious now i just installed talkfilters-2.3.4 |
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| 03:34.44 | islamguide_com | qupada: I don't think so |
| 03:34.50 | islamguide_com | nothing's there |
| 03:35.59 | islamguide_com | pfre hello? |
| 03:36.18 | islamguide_com | Aku hello |
| 03:36.35 | islamguide_com | how come the autocomplete nickname without using the tab key doesn't work? |
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| 03:44.49 | L|M|TED | are there other file managers in kde beside konqueror? |
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| 03:48.15 | Buddha| | Krusader |
| 03:48.47 | Buddha| | L|M|TED: Krusader is a two-pane file manager, if you like that sort of thing |
| 03:49.37 | pfred1 | like filerunner? |
| 03:49.53 | L|M|TED | ill give it a shot, i find konqueror too bloated, and is simply lame to use, nautilus is not enough |
| 03:50.10 | L|M|TED | explorer in windows is good compared to the 2 |
| 03:50.21 | pfred1 | exploiter |
| 03:50.41 | pfred1 | xplorer I wonder if that is still developed? |
| 03:50.51 | pfred1 | it was an explorer ripoff |
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| 03:51.43 | Buddha| | there's always ROX-Filer |
| 03:52.19 | pfred1 | buddy of mine told me about this 3D file manager but it dogged his dual 3.2GHz system so I never bothered checking it out here |
| 03:52.39 | L|M|TED | ouch |
| 03:52.54 | pfred1 | well the thing was pretty badassed by his descriptions of it |
| 03:53.09 | pfred1 | your system was like a city and you could fly around it |
| 03:53.13 | islamguide_com | libxml2-devel 2.6.23-1.guru.suse100 conflict |
| 03:53.13 | islamguide_com | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.13 | islamguide_com | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.13 | islamguide_com | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.13 | islamguide_com | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.15 | islamguide_com | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.17 | islamguide_com | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.19 | islamguide_com | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.21 | islamguide_com | how do i resolve this? |
| 03:53.27 | pfred1 | <islamguide_com> ( ) Ignore Conflict and Risk System Inconsistencies |
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| 03:53.59 | pfred1 | ùíù islamguide_com was kicked off #suse by Geeko (No flooding!) |
| 03:54.30 | L|M|TED | god i hate yast, never figured out how to make the dependencies fixed |
| 03:54.56 | pfred1 | L|M|TED Yoda? |
| 03:55.03 | L|M|TED | apt and yum r better at dealing with dependencies, altho having good repos help |
| 03:55.39 | L|M|TED | FC4 and ubuntu/kubuntu have the most complete repos, so finding deps is easier ! |
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| 03:57.00 | iterum | hello |
| 03:57.14 | pfred1 | aren't the deps a part of the distro's package management? |
| 04:00.53 | islamguide_com | i tot ignore and risk system inconsistencies is bad |
| 04:01.20 | islamguide_com | why is there a dependency problem? |
| 04:01.21 | islamguide_com | can |
| 04:01.30 | islamguide_com | can't they just install the needed package |
| 04:01.45 | Buddha| | it may not be available yet |
| 04:04.16 | L|M|TED | islamguide_com depending on the repos u have, it might not be available |
| 04:07.05 | islamguide_com | wa |
| 04:07.08 | islamguide_com | wad do i do |
| 04:07.16 | islamguide_com | i'm following this guide actually |
| 04:07.24 | islamguide_com | http://www.suseforums.net/index.php?s=579c49422765591b41080df5c08d549c&showtopic=18000&st=20&gopid=119068&#entry119068 |
| 04:07.34 | islamguide_com | on how to get multimedia working |
| 04:08.02 | islamguide_com | is tahoma and stuff legal? |
| 04:08.10 | islamguide_com | i don't own a personal copy of winxp |
| 04:08.16 | islamguide_com | but i have win98 somewhere.. |
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| 04:21.13 | Surye | Hey, is there any way to create a remote desktop invite via cli? |
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| 04:29.27 | pyarra | greetings folks.. anyone here able to tell me how exactly "Start new session" in KDE achieves its trickery? I'm trying to figure how to do the same in WindowMaker, and I got interested in how KDE does it |
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| 04:30.12 | LinuxNIT | is there a konqueror that is compiled so i dont have to install kde with it? |
| 04:30.38 | Oleg_ | can k3b convert flac files back to original CD tracks and then burn them on a CD? |
| 04:31.51 | HuntsMan | LinuxNIT: that's impossible, Konqueror depends on KDE :) |
| 04:32.03 | LinuxNIT | grrr |
| 04:32.04 | LinuxNIT | thanks |
| 04:32.24 | HuntsMan | LinuxNIT: you can minimize just installling kdelibs and konqueror |
| 04:32.32 | pyarra | HuntsMan: I wonder if you could (insanely) statically-compile konqueror? |
| 04:32.38 | LinuxNIT | hmm that might work |
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| 04:32.50 | HuntsMan | pyarra: could be possible |
| 04:33.08 | pyarra | HuntsMan: possible, but crazy :-) |
| 04:33.13 | HuntsMan | yeah |
| 04:33.15 | LinuxNIT | i moved to e17 and all i miss i the smb:/ protocall in konqueror |
| 04:33.18 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 04:33.29 | HuntsMan | having a binary that weights 100 MB... it's crazy |
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| 04:34.23 | DietrichR | You deserve to not be able to use smb:/ |
| 04:34.26 | DietrichR | as a punishment for using E17 |
| 04:34.30 | HuntsMan | lol |
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| 04:34.54 | pyarra | HuntsMan: yeah, and each new instance, another 100MB... if only there was some way to share library code ;-) |
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| 04:36.09 | LinuxNIT | HuntsMan, im using debian. if i tell it apt-get install konqeror it want to install much more than just konq and kde-libs. would i have to just compile the two from source? |
| 04:36.33 | pyarra | hmmm... Mr Google seems to hint that KDE uses a FIFO to KDM to tell it to star new reserved session... hmmmm |
| 04:36.56 | pyarra | also lots of people with same grievance as me: no way to list and switch open sessions for multiple users |
| 04:37.08 | HuntsMan | pyarra: it's better with APT, you |
| 04:37.17 | HuntsMan | you'll end with the same things installed |
| 04:37.56 | pyarra | HuntsMan: wrong guy, I already have KDE installed, it's LinuxNIT with that issue |
| 04:38.15 | HuntsMan | pyarra: right, sorry |
| 04:38.49 | LinuxNIT | but apt wants to install a LOT of stuff besides konq and kde-libs |
| 04:39.09 | pyarra | ok, cya all, got nappies to change :-) |
| 04:39.49 | LinuxNIT | if there is no way to do it thats fine |
| 04:40.55 | HuntsMan | well, can't be done without ending with a crippled Konqueror without SMB support :) |
| 04:41.06 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 04:41.10 | LinuxNIT | ok thanks |
| 04:41.53 | LinuxNIT | you dont know of another program that browses samba networks like konq does with smb:/ do ya? |
| 04:42.02 | HuntsMan | well i see here that Konqueror depends on about 30 other packages, being the half of them X-Windows |
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| 04:42.20 | Quicken | Surye did you see my PM? |
| 04:42.26 | ChrisBradley | Hello |
| 04:42.54 | LinuxNIT | i guess this is probalby the wron g place to ask that lol |
| 04:43.03 | LinuxNIT | thanks for your help HuntsMan |
| 04:43.28 | ChrisBradley | LinuxNIT |
| 04:43.34 | ChrisBradley | Let me look at your question |
| 04:43.35 | LinuxNIT | yes? |
| 04:43.44 | LinuxNIT | k |
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| 04:44.00 | ChrisBradley | Ah - sorry I'm not a samba guy yet |
| 04:44.06 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 04:44.08 | LinuxNIT | np |
| 04:44.23 | ChrisBradley | I've got open sessions with KDE / Xfce4 on the same PC though |
| 04:44.29 | eidolon | so can anyone tell me what happend to krandrtray, and/or why the screen settings were moved off the desktop menu? |
| 04:44.36 | ChrisBradley | if you want any tips / tricks on that |
| 04:44.38 | eidolon | it's a pain in the butt to have to go through 4 menus just to change screen resolution. |
| 04:45.57 | HuntsMan | eidolon: i have krandtray here in 3.5.0 |
| 04:46.00 | LinuxNIT | ChrisBradley, i just wanna nice way to brows nets like with the smb:/ in konq but with out all of kde :) |
| 04:46.04 | eidolon | this is 3.5.1. |
| 04:46.30 | HuntsMan | eidolon: i don't think that was removed, maybe your distro's fault? |
| 04:46.34 | ChrisBradley | What distribution are you on? |
| 04:46.40 | LinuxNIT | elive |
| 04:46.42 | eidolon | it's possible i suppose - this is kubuntu, running Dapper. |
| 04:46.49 | eidolon | which is pretty cutting edge. |
| 04:46.52 | ChrisBradley | Do you know if it comes with xfce4? |
| 04:46.58 | ChrisBradley | Its nice and light weight |
| 04:46.59 | LinuxNIT | no |
| 04:47.01 | Alethes | what about linneighborhood or whatever it's called? |
| 04:47.04 | LinuxNIT | its e17 :D |
| 04:47.06 | HuntsMan | eidolon: well, Dapper is a lot unstable :) |
| 04:47.15 | LinuxNIT | debian etch with e17 |
| 04:47.16 | ChrisBradley | e17 is a bit complicated |
| 04:47.26 | LinuxNIT | i love it |
| 04:47.34 | ChrisBradley | I liked it too at first |
| 04:47.54 | eidolon | i haen't actually had any instability at all in it. it's been great :) my only big beef is that amarok semes to be unable to handle MP3's. the krandrtray thing is annoying, but i can work around it. otherwise it's been great. (i've done the libmad install and everything to get mp3s on amarok, but still no dice :-/ ) |
| 04:47.58 | ChrisBradley | I like having Multiple desktops in KDE |
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| 04:48.12 | ChrisBradley | There are some interesting ways to manage them |
| 04:48.42 | ChrisBradley | It also depends on what you are doing with it at this poing LinuxNIT |
| 04:48.52 | HuntsMan | eidolon: i mean unstability on package breakage, missing packages... or missing apps |
| 04:49.06 | ChrisBradley | Just research at this point? |
| 04:49.18 | eidolon | i suppose. |
| 04:49.27 | LinuxNIT | yeah |
| 04:49.47 | ChrisBradley | I'd recommend experimenting with KDE a bit |
| 04:49.54 | ChrisBradley | Trying to make it FIT you |
| 04:49.59 | ChrisBradley | not the other way around |
| 04:50.09 | LinuxNIT | i have for about a year ;) |
| 04:50.14 | ChrisBradley | oh ok |
| 04:50.23 | ChrisBradley | then you're ahead of where I am |
| 04:50.33 | ChrisBradley | How many workspaces / desks do you use |
| 04:51.33 | HuntsMan | eidolon: just found krandtray in 3.5.1 on Debian Etch :P |
| 04:51.35 | LinuxNIT | 2 |
| 04:51.36 | LinuxNIT | brb |
| 04:51.45 | eidolon | HuntsMan: huh! alrighty then |
| 04:52.00 | eidolon | if it's in debian etch, i'tll make its way through to ubuntu and kubuntu then. excellent. |
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| 04:53.28 | ChrisBradley | Did you know you can use large numbers of desktops? |
| 04:53.58 | ChrisBradley | I put an instance of X-chat on each one |
| 04:54.09 | ChrisBradley | So I can be in multiple nets in an organized way |
| 04:54.24 | LinuxNIT | yeah i know |
| 04:54.34 | HuntsMan | eidolon: no, Kubuntu and ubuntu have it's own packages for KDE |
| 04:54.36 | LinuxNIT | but i only need 2 |
| 04:55.02 | ChrisBradley | I'm just working on getting a job here - haven't worked in a couple years |
| 04:55.05 | eidolon | sure, but if someone bothered to roll krandrtray into debian etch, chances are it hasn't been dumped form the kde distribution. it's just slow to move into ubuntu for 3.5.1. |
| 04:55.21 | ChrisBradley | I got something lined up I think |
| 04:55.49 | ChrisBradley | Here in my hometown - with a call center |
| 04:56.07 | HuntsMan | eidolon: actually i mean, that ubuntu and debian don't share they KDE packages :) |
| 04:56.18 | eidolon | *nod* i thought they were very closely linked, could be wrong though. |
| 04:56.43 | ChrisBradley | I like this distro : http://www.vectorlinux.com |
| 04:57.09 | HuntsMan | eidolon: very wrong, they share other packages like libc, gcc, etc |
| 04:57.37 | eidolon | gotcha. |
| 04:58.05 | ChrisBradley | back soon |
| 04:58.18 | _nagual | I have a soundblaster live soundcard, and am thinking of installing it. I am using gentoo with kde. Would it be recognized automatically at bootup? |
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| 04:58.42 | eidolon | oo, an amarok-arts upgrade. |
| 04:58.44 | eidolon | maybe they fixed it. |
| 05:00.57 | eidolon | DAMMIT |
| 05:00.58 | eidolon | no dice. |
| 05:01.05 | eidolon | amarok won't play an mp3. even with 'arts engine' defined. |
| 05:01.08 | eidolon | what the heck is wrong? |
| 05:06.33 | Alethes | eidolon: does anything else play mp3s? |
| 05:07.13 | eidolon | xmms does, but it uses its own driver. |
| 05:07.33 | Alethes | amarok uses libxine |
| 05:07.37 | Buddha| | eidolon - try a different engine in amaroK. I'm using gstreamer, and it works great. |
| 05:07.45 | eidolon | yes, i've tried gstreamer and arts engine. |
| 05:07.47 | eidolon | they both fail. |
| 05:07.47 | Alethes | or gstreamer :) |
| 05:07.57 | Alethes | what distro? |
| 05:08.03 | eidolon | kubuntu dapper |
| 05:08.11 | eidolon | i've added libmad and the other one that's needed. |
| 05:08.23 | Buddha| | Ubuntu doesn't come with mp3 support by default |
| 05:08.26 | eidolon | yes. |
| 05:08.28 | eidolon | I KNOW. |
| 05:08.31 | eidolon | listen to what i'm saying, please. |
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| 05:08.35 | Alethes | did you rebuild amarok after installing those libs? |
| 05:08.47 | eidolon | Alethes: you don't build amarok in a binary distribution :) |
| 05:09.11 | Alethes | you do if the binary you have isn't compiled with mp3 support :P |
| 05:09.20 | eidolon | every wiki and page i've seen has said "you need to install libmad and {another i can't remember}, and amarok will start working." |
| 05:09.24 | useruser_ | do the IPA characters on this page work for you in konqueror? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia |
| 05:09.36 | eidolon | my understanding is the binary doesn't matter - since it's the engine tht does the mp3 processing. |
| 05:09.43 | eidolon | amarok -sees- the mp3s and can read the tags and everything. |
| 05:09.46 | useruser_ | I have the characters in Firefox, but not konq |
| 05:09.49 | eidolon | it just skips over them when i try to play anything. |
| 05:10.48 | Alethes | that's what amarok does when the engine doesn't support the file type, but I'm sure you already know that |
| 05:11.54 | eidolon | yup, figured that out. |
| 05:12.00 | eidolon | so it seems that -arts- doesn't have mp3 support either. |
| 05:12.06 | eidolon | so i'm not really sure how to fix that :) |
| 05:12.29 | useruser_ | so.. how can i get those characters working in konqueror? |
| 05:12.34 | Alethes | sounds like they screwed you over :P |
| 05:12.46 | eidolon | hmm |
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| 05:13.55 | stoned | how can i play multimedia on a remote kde machine, but have its sound come to local computer over the network and use arts here? I tried following many faqs and stuff. ran artsd manually with the proper switches. I can't seem to get it working |
| 05:14.18 | stoned | after I enable my local sound server arts to accept remote connections etc. what do I do on the remote machine |
| 05:15.01 | eidolon | HAH! |
| 05:15.03 | eidolon | THAT DID IT! |
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| 05:18.47 | mbishop | is there an applet for monitoring cpu temperature for kicker? |
| 05:19.49 | Alethes | search kde-apps.org |
| 05:19.52 | Alethes | I saw on there tonight |
| 05:20.08 | Alethes | s/on/one |
| 05:20.26 | stoned | does no one know how to help me? |
| 05:20.31 | stoned | cuz that would suck :( |
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| 05:35.13 | *** topic/#kde is Latest releases: stable: 3.5.1. See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/ | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | $OS vs $OS flamewars tiring, don't even *start* you will be banned. That goes for KDE vs Gnome and for web browsers too. |
| 05:35.15 | _nagual | lol. that is not the case Ringwaith` |
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| 05:37.23 | stoned | Ringwraith`, stop what> |
| 05:37.46 | Ringwraith` | stoned, you stink |
| 05:37.50 | stoned | no I don't |
| 05:37.54 | stoned | I smell wonderful |
| 05:38.29 | stoned | even my flatulance is a heavenly scent |
| 05:38.30 | stoned | :/ |
| 05:38.42 | Ringwraith` | eww |
| 05:38.53 | stoned | :D |
| 05:39.02 | Ringwraith` | stop eating damned twinkies then |
| 05:39.15 | stoned | what is a twinkie |
| 05:39.19 | stoned | i'ave heard of em, never had one |
| 05:39.32 | stoned | family guy episode, one of them, involved a twinkie factory |
| 05:39.52 | stoned | and in harold and kumar go to while castle, twinkie was the nickname for harold, |
| 05:40.00 | stoned | wtf is a twinkie |
| 05:42.07 | samboski | it's a small cream filled cake |
| 05:42.18 | Ringwraith` | it is a small cake filled with chicken cum |
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| 05:43.32 | qupada | and stuffed with so many preservatives it can only just be classified as food, right? |
| 05:43.46 | Ringwraith` | yes |
| 05:43.51 | Ringwraith` | and they have red ones now |
| 05:43.54 | Ringwraith` | full of carmine |
| 05:44.05 | Ringwraith` | so you get more protein |
| 05:44.45 | qupada | i saw a documentary on the discovery channel or somewhere that showed the way they mass produce those and cupcakes and things... literally thousands of them rolling across a conveyor belt |
| 05:44.57 | Ringwraith` | yep |
| 05:45.15 | Ringwraith` | i saw how they make those swirly candies |
| 05:45.25 | Ringwraith` | they have one HUGE candy they roll up |
| 05:45.42 | Ringwraith` | then they squeeze it |
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| 05:49.32 | luisito | hello |
| 05:50.02 | Ringwraith` | -->HELL<--o |
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| 05:51.16 | luisito | how can I make all my filesystem links to show in the Storage Media folder |
| 05:51.27 | luisito | ? |
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| 06:05.52 | ja | I'm running ubuntu and in GNOME when I put a DVD in the drive it automagicly starts playing it in totem, how do I get KDE to do that? |
| 06:08.56 | grepper | ja: kde 3.5 + some combo of hal/dbus and the qt interface to dbus |
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| 06:09.12 | grepper | in other words kde 3.5 does it |
| 06:09.30 | ja | ok thanks grepper |
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| 06:10.34 | grepper | if your distro has set it up properly |
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| 06:33.47 | islamguide_com | anyone has got translucency setting working? |
| 06:34.05 | islamguide_com | mine works but somehow it says 3d acceleration is gone for glxgears |
| 06:34.11 | islamguide_com | maybe i'll try a restart |
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| 06:36.17 | lampshade | ugh that was badly put |
| 06:36.43 | lampshade | Is there a built in way to mounting stuff over the network like people tell me nautuls or whatever has built in? |
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| 07:29.29 | HappyHobo | I need some help |
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| 07:29.55 | mark_alec | that is great, now what do you want to ask |
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| 07:30.50 | HappyHobo | mark_alec: I can't get a theme from kde-look.org to install |
| 07:31.14 | mark_alec | HappyHobo: what did you try to do? |
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| 07:31.41 | HappyHobo | I tried ./install and it said it installed but I don't see it in my kcontrol |
| 07:31.49 | islamguide_com | hi |
| 07:32.24 | islamguide_com | when i enabled translucency setting on kde and added the rendel true setting glxgears won't work |
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| 07:32.26 | islamguide_com | 3d acceleration for games was also non existent |
| 07:32.35 | islamguide_com | anyone else having the same prob |
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| 07:33.09 | mark_alec | HappyHobo: iirc you can install a theme through the kontrol center, just select the tarball and select 'install theme' or something similar |
| 07:33.44 | mark_alec | islamguide_com: you will need to add AllowGLXWithComposite "True" to the device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 07:34.12 | HappyHobo | it's not a tarball though |
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| 07:34.12 | mark_alec | HappyHobo: what format is it? |
| 07:34.27 | HappyHobo | .tar.bz2 |
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| 07:34.48 | mark_alec | that is just a compressed tarball, same thing |
| 07:35.12 | islamguide_com | mark_alec: huh? |
| 07:35.25 | islamguide_com | mar huh? |
| 07:35.29 | islamguide_com | mark huh? |
| 07:35.36 | mark_alec | islamguide_com: are you using a nvidia video card? |
| 07:35.43 | islamguide_com | hmm..how come auto nick completion doesn't work in xchat |
| 07:35.45 | islamguide_com | yes |
| 07:36.20 | islamguide_com | Section "Extensions" |
| 07:36.20 | islamguide_com | Option "Composite" "Enable" |
| 07:36.20 | islamguide_com | EndSection |
| 07:36.20 | islamguide_com | In your xorg.conf. If you have an nvidia graphics card and use the nvidia driver you can improve the performance of these effects by also adding the RenderAccel option to the Device section for your graphics card: |
| 07:36.20 | islamguide_com | Section "Device" |
| 07:36.22 | islamguide_com | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:36.24 | islamguide_com | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:36.26 | islamguide_com | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:36.28 | islamguide_com | i followed these settings |
| 07:36.41 | islamguide_com | i tink when i enabled composite it was ok but severe bad lag |
| 07:36.49 | mark_alec | islamguide_com: also add the line "Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" |
| 07:36.53 | islamguide_com | after enabling render things are fine |
| 07:36.57 | islamguide_com | where? |
| 07:37.00 | islamguide_com | but 3d is gone |
| 07:37.07 | mark_alec | islamguide_com: in that sectino you just posted |
| 07:37.15 | islamguide_com | under which section? |
| 07:37.17 | Dream-Zone | orr i suks when the weekend is over :( |
| 07:37.21 | islamguide_com | ''extensions? |
| 07:37.27 | islamguide_com | wads that suppose to do? |
| 07:37.27 | mark_alec | islamguide_com: the device section |
| 07:37.31 | islamguide_com | oh ok |
| 07:37.44 | islamguide_com | is it suppose to enable 3d? |
| 07:38.21 | mark_alec | that will allow opengl to work better if you are using the composite extension, it is a "good thing ^tm" |
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| 07:39.12 | islamguide_com | my 3d doesn't even work |
| 07:39.17 | islamguide_com | glxgears gave this error |
| 07:39.24 | JoeyJoeJo | how do I switch my language to russian? |
| 07:39.27 | islamguide_com | Section "Extensions" |
| 07:39.27 | islamguide_com | Option "Composite" "Enable" |
| 07:39.27 | islamguide_com | EndSection |
| 07:39.27 | islamguide_com | In your xorg.conf. If you have an nvidia graphics card and use the nvidia driver you can improve the performance of these effects by also adding the RenderAccel option to the Device section for your graphics card: |
| 07:39.27 | islamguide_com | Section "Device" |
| 07:39.28 | islamguide_com | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.30 | islamguide_com | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.32 | islamguide_com | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.36 | islamguide_com | fj@AZCOM:~> glxgears |
| 07:39.37 | islamguide_com | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 07:39.38 | islamguide_com | glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual. |
| 07:39.42 | islamguide_com | ops. |
| 07:39.49 | JoeyJoeJo | dude, pastebin.com |
| 07:40.00 | HappyHobo | I ain't having no luck at all mark_alec |
| 07:40.11 | HappyHobo | I've followed the readme, followed the instructions on kde-look.org |
| 07:40.23 | mark_alec | HappyHobo: sorry, i am not sure what to do then |
| 07:40.32 | HappyHobo | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=153 this is what I want to install |
| 07:42.08 | islamguide_com | it doesn't matter on which line do i paste this rite? "Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" |
| 07:42.34 | mark_alec | islamguide_com: no, as long as it is in the device section for you video card |
| 07:42.43 | islamguide_com | k |
| 07:42.53 | HappyHobo | islamguide_com: Any good with kde themes? |
| 07:43.08 | islamguide_com | just the shadow effect on windows |
| 07:43.13 | islamguide_com | and transparent windows |
| 07:43.25 | islamguide_com | windows 'fade' in |
| 07:43.40 | islamguide_com | how do u enable plug ins with konqueror and opera?? |
| 07:43.41 | HappyHobo | I want to install the acqua theme |
| 07:43.55 | islamguide_com | where do u get tt? |
| 07:44.02 | islamguide_com | i find the plastic scheme quite pleasing |
| 07:44.09 | islamguide_com | and i chose the kids icon set |
| 07:44.25 | HappyHobo | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=153 |
| 07:44.48 | islamguide_com | looks cuter... although i prefer the default for konqueror icon and desktop |
| 07:45.10 | islamguide_com | how do u enable plug ins with konqueror and opera?? |
| 07:45.17 | islamguide_com | i tink i got flash working |
| 07:45.22 | HappyHobo | I use the kxdocker with a simple panel across the top so it's kind of mac'ish |
| 07:45.24 | islamguide_com | wad about shockwave? |
| 07:46.21 | islamguide_com | i don't like to have anything at the top though it makes closing windows harder |
| 07:46.41 | islamguide_com | it took me some time to figure out how to place X buttons on the very top right hand corner |
| 07:47.13 | islamguide_com | disable resizing of maximised windows under right click taskbar> configure window behaviour |
| 07:47.30 | islamguide_com | now i can close windows even with my eyes closed. |
| 07:47.42 | islamguide_com | do u have shockwave working? |
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| 07:50.21 | lrathbon | hey all, I'm trying to change my emaildefaults file in ~/.kde/share/config so that thunderbird is the default. But the attachments are coming up as '%A' instead of the file %A is supposed to represent |
| 07:51.15 | lrathbon | I'm looking at the source code (I don't know for sure) but it looks like kde may only accept attachments to be sent via url to kmail itself |
| 07:51.19 | sredna | lrathbon: What about using the control center? |
| 07:53.02 | sredna | lrathbon: No, it should work with most clients. Wellbehaved kde applications use a method in KApplication to send mal |
| 07:53.03 | sredna | Mail |
| 07:53.31 | lrathbon | hmm |
| 07:54.15 | lrathbon | right, invokeMailer |
| 07:54.29 | lrathbon | and therein lies the problem (I think)... |
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| 07:55.33 | sredna | The function is using your configured client |
| 07:56.04 | lrathbon | right, I configured my client to be: |
| 07:56.26 | lrathbon | thunderbird -compose "to=%t,subject=%s,cc=%c,bcc=%b,body=%B,attachment=file://%A" |
| 07:57.33 | sredna | Loose the 'file://' |
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| 07:57.47 | sredna | I think KDE will add that |
| 07:57.55 | sredna | So just '%A' |
| 07:58.14 | lrathbon | hmm |
| 07:58.54 | lrathbon | now thunderbird is giving me an error -- remember that with file://%A, '%A' was showing up as the attachment in thunderbird (and not the file that it represents) |
| 07:59.12 | lrathbon | so I don't think the %A's is surviving somewhere along the way |
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| 08:11.29 | illusia-uk | hi all! |
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| 08:12.27 | illusia-uk | somebody know software/applet for kde wich show status of laptop battery in system tray? |
| 08:13.13 | xxenon | klaptop |
| 08:13.46 | illusia-uk | is it in KDE-3.5 or 3d party softaware? |
| 08:14.04 | xxenon | in 3.5 I think |
| 08:14.16 | illusia-uk | xxenon thx |
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| 08:19.17 | illusia-uk | xenon in which package i can find it? |
| 08:19.25 | illusia-uk | xxenon ^^^ |
| 08:19.55 | xxenon | no idea... |
| 08:20.21 | illusia-uk | ok thx |
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| 08:53.08 | ulughbegh | hey |
| 08:54.06 | ulughbegh | neither i can read nor preview emails in kmail, it was working before. how do i fix that? |
| 08:56.18 | illusia-uk | who ca tell me how can i enable klaptop/battery life in control center? |
| 08:57.17 | PhilRod | probably in kdeutils |
| 08:58.13 | illusia-uk | PhilRod i know.it should be seen in kcontrol,but nothing there |
| 08:58.31 | illusia-uk | i had install kdeutils |
| 09:01.00 | DeadS0ul | jeez konversation is using a lot of processor power |
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| 09:02.54 | Sho_ | DeadS0ul: Hm no reason it should |
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| 09:10.38 | DeadS0ul | i'm in #mp3passion |
| 09:10.45 | DeadS0ul | and I've had it running for a while |
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| 09:47.28 | islamguide_com | thx for the glx composite tip |
| 09:47.36 | EvilGuru | does anyone know why kopete crashes when I send a message? |
| 09:47.38 | islamguide_com | translucencly is working fine now |
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| 09:48.02 | islamguide_com | sorry i use GAIM |
| 09:48.15 | EvilGuru | someone told me kopete was better.... |
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| 09:49.08 | islamguide_com | y |
| 09:49.09 | Hokinon | I used to use kopete but have switched to konversation because of random crashes |
| 09:49.23 | EvilGuru | konversation? for im? |
| 09:49.34 | islamguide_com | i like GAIM's simpler interface and alias function |
| 09:50.12 | EvilGuru | kopete is meant to have some nice features |
| 09:50.23 | EvilGuru | but if it crashes as soon as I send a mesage |
| 09:51.11 | Sho_ | GAIM as an IRC client? shudder :) |
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| 09:51.39 | Hokinon | kopete is pretty but it also lacks irc logging |
| 09:51.42 | EvilGuru | xchat or konversation aways do it for me |
| 09:52.41 | Sho_ | Well, Kopete's mission goal isn't exactly to be a sophisticated IRC client either |
| 09:52.48 | Sho_ | Rocks for Jabber though :) |
| 09:53.26 | EvilGuru | I have always been a gaim person (adium on my mac), but kopete seemed to have some good features |
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| 09:54.52 | Sho_ | Last time I tried Gaim (about half a year ago?) it seemed to be still in the early stages; I had to add myself to my buddy list to see my connection status :) |
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| 09:56.08 | EvilGuru | I would submit a bug report about kopete, until I found out that no where on the interweb accepts bug reports from gentoo users |
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| 09:59.10 | Sho_ | EvilGuru: haha :) |
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| 10:00.31 | EvilGuru | probably because Gentoo users are the only ones who compile things with alpha versions of gcc and cflags like : -O9 --march=l337 -fomit-every-pointer -funroll-more-loops++ |
| 10:02.46 | Sho_ | Indeed ;) |
| 10:04.40 | EvilGuru | still, we do normally get the hard end of the stick by developers |
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| 10:06.25 | g-henna | my problem: in kde 3.4 i could set a "preferred encryption method" (inline pgp/mime) for certain contacts in kaddressbook and then, when writing a mail with kmail, this was respected. now, in kde 3.5, it isn't any more; the contact-specific preferences are ignored when writing an email; where can i adjust that behaviour? |
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| 10:13.22 | g-henna | or is there a better place to ask? |
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| 10:18.10 | mph1 | PC-BSD, KDE 3.5.1. wondering if there is a keyboard shortcut to bring up the menu? mouse is broken. thanks |
| 10:18.30 | StevenR | mph1: any particular menu? |
| 10:18.48 | mph1 | sorry, main menu |
| 10:19.02 | mph1 | like clicking on the big K |
| 10:19.03 | StevenR | mph1: alt-F1 should do it |
| 10:19.15 | StevenR | mph1: that's the kmenu :) |
| 10:19.38 | mph1 | yeah. thats what i thought. doesnt work.... |
| 10:19.43 | StevenR | mph1: possilby the win key on some systems |
| 10:19.46 | mph1 | alt-f2 for run dialog aye? |
| 10:20.00 | StevenR | usually |
| 10:20.15 | mph1 | haha dont work. shitter. |
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| 10:21.53 | StevenR | mph1: what about the windows keys, ie the win and menu keys ? |
| 10:23.08 | mph1 | StevenR, only thing i can do is the equivalent of a right click |
| 10:23.36 | StevenR | mph1: when i right click on the desktop, i get "run command" as an option |
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| 10:23.59 | Ilyes | Hi ! |
| 10:24.15 | StevenR | morning Ilyes |
| 10:24.54 | Ilyes | I would like to ask if KDE will include the |
| 10:25.03 | mph1 | well for some reason it's focused on the Trash. pressing this key (not standard key) left of the right hand side CTRL, is like right clicking on the trash |
| 10:25.22 | Ilyes | transparency features of Xgl? |
| 10:25.29 | mph1 | i think the pc-bsd guys bjorked something, possibly |
| 10:26.21 | StevenR | mph1: i'd bring it up with them, somethign seems to have gone wierd with the X configuration |
| 10:26.28 | mph1 | indeed |
| 10:26.53 | mph1 | thanks for your help. nice to know i'm not going insane =) |
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| 10:40.25 | EvilGuru | well, I have got kopete to work |
| 10:40.32 | EvilGuru | but meh, it is ok |
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| 10:43.25 | brosioz | anyon known where kdeprint store the information about pritners ? |
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| 11:05.52 | Bleezy | anyone ever get DCOP errors trying to load and cant write to /home ? |
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| 11:10.16 | Fri13 | Is there way to change mouse wheel rotation way on KPDF so it will go forward when wheel goes forward and not like now it goes forward when wheel goes backward, without changing way how wheel works with webpages or other area where are bars? |
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| 11:20.38 | pinotree | hello |
| 11:21.06 | flawd | I want to make it possible to rightclick a directory in konqueror, and then get an alternative to open it with a script/executabel of my own choice... |
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| 11:23.39 | flawd | anyone know how to do that? |
| 11:24.00 | flawd | not the dialoge where i can chose a program to open the dir with, but a permanent menu item |
| 11:24.18 | pinotree | ~servicemenus |
| 11:24.19 | apt | somebody said servicemenus was http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/dot/servicemenus.html |
| 11:24.26 | pinotree | flawd: ^^^ |
| 11:24.34 | flawd | ty |
| 11:24.37 | flawd | :) |
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| 11:28.03 | younker | Hello, I want to use metabar in kde3.5.1, I use gentoo and emerged konq-plugins, but when I choosed to add metabar to konqueror's sidebar,it said "konqueror: WARNING: Module konqsidebar_metabar doesn't specify a library!" |
| 11:28.12 | younker | what's the problem is ? |
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| 11:28.55 | pinotree | younker: maybe a package issue... try asking that in #gentoo or #gentoo-kde |
| 11:30.43 | Fri13 | Does someone use Comix style on KDE 3.5.x ? |
| 11:32.09 | pinotree | download, compile and install |
| 11:32.09 | pinotree | or look for packages of your distro |
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| 11:35.16 | younker | pinotree: thank you. |
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| 11:43.56 | flawd | pinotree, Do you know how to make locale translations for the menu entries? |
| 11:44.12 | pinotree | Name=English text |
| 11:44.22 | flawd | yeah but what if the user has a swedish system |
| 11:44.26 | pinotree | Name[it]=Testo inglese |
| 11:44.27 | flawd | and i want it to adapt |
| 11:44.29 | flawd | ty |
| 11:44.34 | flawd | :) |
| 11:44.46 | flawd | cool |
| 11:44.52 | flawd | very easy too |
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| 12:26.56 | flawd | how do I start an application in kde from a terminal without window decorations? |
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| 12:40.31 | Tm_T | flawd: kstart might help |
| 12:43.48 | Fri13 | what was needed to get kde headers? libkdecore3/4 ? |
| 12:43.57 | Fri13 | -devel |
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| 12:49.51 | error403 | I keep getting this from various things, mostly perl scripts... |
| 12:49.55 | error403 | "kde-config: WARNING: KLocale: trying to look up "" in catalog. Fix the program" |
| 12:50.11 | error403 | is there likely to be something i have configured wrong? these never used to happen... |
| 12:50.57 | EvilGuru | nope |
| 12:51.00 | EvilGuru | I get them as well |
| 12:51.13 | EvilGuru | (gentoo user here) |
| 12:53.07 | visik7 | I get that error too |
| 12:53.29 | visik7 | but never worried about it |
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| 12:57.50 | Fri13 | what was kde headers? |
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| 12:58.25 | misha-strong | help! gnome has taken over my kde 3.5 desktop |
| 12:58.41 | misha-strong | there is all kde and then in the middle there is gnome |
| 12:58.56 | Fri13 | misha-strong: start kdesktop |
| 12:59.00 | misha-strong | it happened after I browsed to /root/Desktop |
| 12:59.12 | Fri13 | misha-strong: alt+F2 kdesktop |
| 12:59.53 | misha-strong | on sec, my mouse is stuffed |
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| 13:01.00 | Fri13 | misha-strong: you dont need a mouse |
| 13:01.58 | misha-strong | oh right :) |
| 13:03.11 | misha-strong | kdesktop didnt change anything |
| 13:03.15 | misha-strong | O_o |
| 13:03.37 | misha-strong | its still running on top of (literally) the kde desktop |
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| 13:04.07 | kirun | nuke Nautilus in your package manager, kill X, log back in |
| 13:04.07 | misha-strong | Firefox open my Download target directory which happened to be /root/Desktop and bam! |
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| 13:04.35 | kirun | It was doing the same to me, except kdesktop was managing to sit on top |
| 13:04.36 | misha-strong | nuke nautilus? how exactly? |
| 13:04.54 | EvilGuru | get its PID |
| 13:04.56 | EvilGuru | then do |
| 13:05.01 | EvilGuru | kill -9 <PID> |
| 13:05.10 | dsafda | anyone can tell me a dvddecrypter app name? |
| 13:05.32 | misha-strong | heh, how do you get a PID? |
| 13:05.38 | dsafda | top |
| 13:06.11 | kirun | It was always auto-starting for me, only kdesktop was sitting on top of it |
| 13:07.11 | kirun | this caused some really odd problems, it would show its face occasionally due to some weird desktop switching bug, and for a second on logout |
| 13:07.50 | misha-strong | i killed the process using ksysguard, but where is the autostart located? |
| 13:08.36 | kirun | Well, I couldn't be bothered finding the autostart, that's why I just removed the package |
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| 13:09.43 | misha-strong | I'll put it to you this way: nautilius was automatically installed _after_ my initial installation, so depencies aside, it will probably be reinstalled at the next update |
| 13:10.06 | misha-strong | whats the package called? (so I can list files) |
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| 13:10.31 | misha-strong | its on fedora core |
| 13:11.15 | dsafda | any protected-dvd copier apps? Can u help me please? |
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| 13:11.55 | kirun | Well, for SuSE it was just called "nautilus" |
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| 13:13.07 | kirun | There may be other dependencies which you can also kill off |
| 13:13.31 | mobtek | this is weird, HTTP Cache Cleaner is trying to launch for no reason |
| 13:13.42 | mobtek | just sits there with loading application |
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| 13:17.15 | misha-strong | I just renamed /usr/bin/nautilus to /usr/bin/nautilus.old |
| 13:18.01 | misha-strong | this is a general linux question, but...... i spoke to someone earlier and they said type "service gpm restart" but I want to restart my entire PS/2 mouse, not just console mouse services, how do I do this? |
| 13:20.39 | visik7 | uh ? |
| 13:20.54 | visik7 | for console mouse there is gpm |
| 13:21.03 | visik7 | for X mouse it Xorg that take care of it |
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| 13:21.27 | misha-strong | i think the actual module needs to be reloaded, whats it called? |
| 13:21.37 | visik7 | restart X |
| 13:21.47 | visik7 | ctrl+alt+backspace |
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| 13:24.33 | misha-strong | x restart makes no difference |
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| 13:28.19 | visik7 | so is not the problem+ |
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| 13:39.48 | bUscher-g2 | hi, I am having problems with kde 3.5.1 and the konqueror bookmark icons, after every reboot they are gone, but after I go on that page again the are coming back |
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| 14:50.38 | pat_ | how to save session without logging out? kde3.4 |
| 14:51.33 | pfred1 | pat_ maybe refresh desktop or something? that is a good question! |
| 14:52.01 | pfred1 | I just had a heck of a time changing a file association in Konquerer |
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| 15:04.14 | error403 | L|M|TED, can i steal your monitor? :P |
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| 15:05.27 | L|M|TED | error403 no, i love my viewsonic 21 inch |
| 15:05.35 | error403 | L|M|TED, LCD? |
| 15:05.40 | L|M|TED | crt |
| 15:05.46 | error403 | eeeew |
| 15:05.49 | error403 | Ok, you can keep it |
| 15:05.50 | error403 | :P |
| 15:05.56 | L|M|TED | its a graphics model! |
| 15:06.14 | error403 | CRTs are one of the few things in this world i can say i truly hate |
| 15:06.23 | error403 | They destroy my eyes |
| 15:06.31 | L|M|TED | i have a 21" and a 19" on my desk |
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| 15:06.43 | L|M|TED | dual screen setup on that box |
| 15:06.45 | error403 | I only ever use LCD screens, ever since i got my first one... |
| 15:07.01 | L|M|TED | ill buy some when my crt dies |
| 15:07.08 | error403 | hmmm, how well you get dual-monitor with 2 different sizes to work? |
| 15:07.09 | Otis | afternoon ... has anyone been able to receive webcam transmissions in Kopete (any protocol) ? |
| 15:07.23 | L|M|TED | mind u, i payed 160$ for my viewsonic 21", was a steal!! |
| 15:07.23 | error403 | Otis, yes :D |
| 15:07.25 | error403 | MSN |
| 15:07.32 | Hairulfr | L|M|TED: I like crt's as well |
| 15:07.33 | error403 | L|M|TED, hmm, not bad |
| 15:07.55 | error403 | looking at about £250 or something for a decent 21" LCD |
| 15:08.00 | Otis | error403: ah ... my dad is able to see a fraction of a second's worth of video from me before it stops ... any idea what could be wrong ? |
| 15:08.27 | error403 | But will be worth it, im like on an endless quest for more and more screen real-estate now (coding kinda does that to you :P) |
| 15:08.36 | Hairulfr | L|M|TED: Mine's a Samsung, got it from a photoediting thing place, just about 70 USD |
| 15:08.48 | error403 | Otis, not really, i've never had to troubleshoot it, its just worked for me... |
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| 15:09.16 | error403 | L|M|TED, how well you get dual-monitor with 2 different sizes to work? |
| 15:09.27 | L|M|TED | its alrite |
| 15:09.36 | error403 | is it managed by the card or by X ? |
| 15:09.37 | Otis | error403: oh blast ... ah well, thanks anyway |
| 15:09.54 | L|M|TED | i run windows 2003, in vmware, and i rdp to it on my 2nd monitor |
| 15:09.58 | L|M|TED | X and card i think |
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| 15:10.37 | error403 | L|M|TED, does it let you run games on one monitor, or doesnt it try and run it in the middle of the 2? |
| 15:11.10 | L|M|TED | stupid system-config-display doesnt keep nvidia as driver in my xorg.conf, i have to reapply it ioften |
| 15:11.17 | L|M|TED | on 1 |
| 15:11.17 | error403 | L|M|TED, i tried setting up a friend's with twinview (nvidia card), and with a 1280x1024 and a 1024x768, didnt work wel... |
| 15:11.38 | L|M|TED | in system-config-display, i didnt select spanning |
| 15:11.48 | error403 | system-config-display??? |
| 15:12.01 | L|M|TED | in FC4 |
| 15:12.34 | error403 | hmmm |
| 15:12.36 | error403 | gentoo here |
| 15:13.00 | feindbild | has anyone tried to use two display, with two different resolutions ... like 1280x1024 and 1920x1200 ? |
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| 15:13.09 | L|M|TED | feindbild i am |
| 15:13.17 | L|M|TED | hmmm actually no |
| 15:13.19 | error403 | feindbild, i tried and failed miserably... |
| 15:13.21 | error403 | :( |
| 15:13.23 | L|M|TED | both are at same rez |
| 15:14.25 | feindbild | L|M|TED: =( thats why my CRT is currently standing around unused ... I have a 24"TFT and a 19" CRT .. I'd like to use the CRT for gaming and similar because of the far superiour color and contrast ... |
| 15:14.47 | L|M|TED | 24" nice! |
| 15:15.02 | L|M|TED | well time for breakfast |
| 15:16.47 | pinotree | breakfast? |
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| 15:23.12 | L|M|TED | its 10am here |
| 15:23.28 | pinotree | 4pm here.. |
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| 15:25.46 | L|M|TED | euro? |
| 15:25.52 | L|M|TED | swede |
| 15:25.53 | L|M|TED | ? |
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| 15:29.39 | Ze-M | pinotree: Lua doesnt appear in 3.5.1 requirements |
| 15:29.48 | Ze-M | check webpage |
| 15:29.54 | pinotree | and? |
| 15:30.01 | pinotree | it's not a strict requirement |
| 15:30.15 | Ze-M | its optional, so? i see there many others optionals |
| 15:30.31 | Ze-M | if u ddont things fixed, fine for me |
| 15:30.36 | pinotree | i've not the karma to fix that |
| 15:30.44 | pinotree | webmaster@kde.org |
| 15:31.08 | Ze-M | certanly u know who can |
| 15:31.38 | Sho_ | hm, about to introduce a lua dependency? :) |
| 15:34.40 | Ze-M | also, lm_sensors isnt required by kdebase? |
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| 15:40.07 | BlackHand | hi somebody try gnash plugin with konqueror ? |
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| 15:57.38 | linux__alien | i ve created a UI with KDevelop Designer |
| 15:58.16 | linux__alien | i am using GNU Make and ive included the UI file to generate the Header file but i get the cpp file instead of the header file |
| 15:58.23 | linux__alien | %.h: include/%.ui |
| 15:58.23 | linux__alien | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.23 | linux__alien | %.cpp: include/%.ui |
| 15:58.23 | linux__alien | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.29 | linux__alien | this is what i ve given in my Makefile |
| 15:58.58 | linux__alien | it generates a MainWindow.cpp from MainWindow.UI . The cpp File contains the class declarations but that should be in the Header file |
| 16:00.20 | teatime | linux__alien: what project type is that, automake? |
| 16:00.37 | linux__alien | yes i am using automake |
| 16:01.10 | pinotree | linux__alien: you've written a wrong uic call |
| 16:01.13 | teatime | and you added the .ui to the target using the automake manager? |
| 16:01.21 | pinotree | -impl generates the cpp code |
| 16:01.53 | pinotree | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:02.37 | linux__alien | pinotree, assume with ur statement i generate the .H file and how will the cpp get generated . |
| 16:02.43 | linux__alien | should i code for it ? |
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| 16:03.14 | linux__alien | or will the framework get generated . i mean those slots that would have used in the header file .Say SaveAs() |
| 16:03.18 | linux__alien | something like that |
| 16:03.30 | pinotree | linux__alien: uic -o myclass.h myclass.ui |
| 16:03.36 | pinotree | linux__alien: uic -impl -o myclass.cpp myclass.ui |
| 16:03.42 | pinotree | you need those two |
| 16:04.37 | linux__alien | pinotree, But what i want is that i want those to be done by my Makefiles by itself , thats how i ve made it for moc files |
| 16:04.45 | linux__alien | %_moc.cpp: include/%.h |
| 16:04.46 | linux__alien | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.56 | linux__alien | i ve given this to generate my moc files |
| 16:04.57 | linux__alien | and it works |
| 16:05.25 | teatime | linux__alien: you still haven't answered my question.. did you add the .ui to the target using the automake manager? or are you doing this outside of kdevelop? |
| 16:05.28 | linux__alien | so i want something like that which would generate the .h as well as the cpp from the UI |
| 16:05.45 | linux__alien | outside of Kdevelop sorry for the delay in response |
| 16:05.49 | teatime | k |
| 16:05.51 | pinotree | [2006-02-26 16:58:23] <linux__alien> %.cpp: include/%.ui |
| 16:05.51 | pinotree | [2006-02-26 16:58:23] <linux__alien> /usr/bin/uic -impl $ *.h $< -o $< |
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| 16:05.58 | pinotree | this rule is wrong |
| 16:06.04 | pinotree | %.cpp: include/%.ui |
| 16:06.17 | linux__alien | ya you told me |
| 16:06.23 | pinotree | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.38 | linux__alien | is the above one right? |
| 16:06.42 | pinotree | try this to generate the cpp code |
| 16:07.12 | CVirus | isnt there something like a keyboard layout switcher applet ? |
| 16:08.09 | pinotree | CVirus: sure, kcontrol -> regionals -> keyboard mapping -> switching options tab |
| 16:08.16 | linux__alien | pinotree, i get the following error |
| 16:08.17 | linux__alien | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `MainWindow.cpp', needed by `Chat-MainWindow.o'. Stop. |
| 16:08.18 | linux__alien | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/balaji/Codes/InHouseChat/src' |
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| 16:08.32 | linux__alien | its unable to generate the .cpp file |
| 16:08.47 | linux__alien | This is what i ve given |
| 16:08.48 | linux__alien | %.h: include/%.ui |
| 16:08.48 | linux__alien | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.48 | linux__alien | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.25 | pinotree | %.cpp: include/%.ui |
| 16:09.40 | pinotree | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.49 | CVirus | pinotree: Thanks alot |
| 16:10.36 | linux__alien | /usr/bin/uic -impl *.h include/MainWindow.ui -o include/MainWindow.ui |
| 16:10.37 | linux__alien | uic: Failed to parse include/MainWindow.ui: unexpected end of file in line 1 |
| 16:10.37 | linux__alien | make[1]: *** [MainWindow.cpp] Error 1 |
| 16:10.54 | linux__alien | why does it include itself again |
| 16:10.57 | linux__alien | :-( |
| 16:11.16 | linux__alien | Oh no sorry |
| 16:14.00 | linux__alien | no not working |
| 16:15.42 | linux__alien | This is what i ve given |
| 16:15.42 | linux__alien | %.h: include/%.ui |
| 16:15.42 | linux__alien | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.42 | linux__alien | %.cpp: include/%.ui |
| 16:15.42 | linux__alien | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.45 | linux__alien | but not working |
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| 16:16.02 | pinotree | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.14 | pinotree | i don't understand this rule |
| 16:16.21 | pinotree | why $ *.h ?? |
| 16:17.06 | linux__alien | hmm.. Oh So then it should be %.h: %.ui |
| 16:17.07 | linux__alien | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.15 | linux__alien | is this right? |
| 16:17.31 | pinotree | that will generate only the .h |
| 16:17.40 | linux__alien | yes then the next line |
| 16:17.40 | pinotree | uic -impl $< -o $@ |
| 16:17.47 | linux__alien | i would give |
| 16:18.10 | linux__alien | Oh sorry i dont know |
| 16:18.15 | pinotree | wait |
| 16:18.19 | linux__alien | i am getting confused but the man page says this |
| 16:18.28 | linux__alien | %.h: %.ui |
| 16:18.29 | linux__alien | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.29 | linux__alien | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.29 | linux__alien | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.35 | linux__alien | see this is what the man page of uic says |
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| 16:20.49 | pinotree | linux__alien: try these then, http://rafb.net/paste/results/PiBQoF36.html |
| 16:21.02 | linux__alien | ok one sec |
| 16:21.11 | linux__alien | Thanks a lot for your help |
| 16:21.15 | linux__alien | one sec let me try out |
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| 16:22.57 | sam^ | moin |
| 16:25.47 | linux__alien | there is some space |
| 16:25.53 | linux__alien | so its not allowing me to do a make |
| 16:25.55 | linux__alien | :-( |
| 16:25.58 | linux__alien | i am looking into it |
| 16:26.01 | thiago | what is make saying? |
| 16:26.08 | thiago | are you using the KDE admin/ dir? |
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| 16:26.16 | linux__alien | Makefile:631: *** missing separator. Stop. |
| 16:26.35 | islamguide_com | my very own bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122735 anyone else having the same prob? |
| 16:26.43 | thiago | ALL commands in Makefiles must be preceded by Tabs |
| 16:26.46 | thiago | not spaces, Tabs |
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| 16:27.46 | Sho_ | (it's not called autocrap without reason :) |
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| 16:28.46 | thiago | that's why we're moving away from it, but they are the recommended way for KDE 3 |
| 16:29.10 | thiago | if you don't want to use it, you don't have to. But don't expect KDE help. |
| 16:29.15 | linux__alien | thiago, This is irritating me |
| 16:29.16 | linux__alien | :-( |
| 16:29.26 | thiago | how did you create the Makefile.am? |
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| 16:30.02 | linux__alien | using vi |
| 16:30.24 | thiago | from the scratch or did you copy the template from somewhere else? |
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| 16:31.31 | Ringwraith` | oh hey god |
| 16:31.32 | Ringwraith` | sup |
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| 16:32.38 | linux__alien | no thiago |
| 16:34.59 | linux__alien | thiago, my old Makefile is also not working why . It was working perfectly . :-( |
| 16:35.06 | linux__alien | i get the same error |
| 16:39.03 | linux__alien | pinotree, its not working |
| 16:39.07 | linux__alien | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.16 | linux__alien | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `MainWindow.cpp', needed by `Chat-MainWindow.o'. Stop. |
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| 16:39.29 | linux__alien | its not generating the MainWindow.cpp from the UI file |
| 16:40.46 | Sho_ | linux__alien: Have you read the build system howto? |
| 16:41.00 | Ringwraith` | re run automake and friends? |
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| 16:41.41 | linux__alien | i am able to generate the cpp files from moc files but this UI i am having lot of trouble |
| 16:41.53 | Sho_ | linux__alien: read http://developer.kde.org/documentation/makefile_am_howto/en/index.html |
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| 16:48.17 | linux__alien | Ok Thanks let me look into it |
| 16:48.20 | linux__alien | Thanks |
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| 16:49.00 | Ringwraith` | user user on the wall the biggest and dummest of them all had a great fall and the gnomes came and grabbed him away and took them to their cove where they feed them until they explode |
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| 17:10.00 | the_stick | Hi |
| 17:10.34 | the_stick | can someone tell me on how I can stop l2cap being used by hidp? |
| 17:12.20 | thiago | that doesn't look like a KDE question |
| 17:12.28 | the_stick | oh |
| 17:12.38 | the_stick | so it has nothing to do with that kdbluetooth thing? |
| 17:13.01 | the_stick | ok |
| 17:13.23 | the_stick | and how much RAM does kde 3.5.1 use? |
| 17:13.56 | the_stick | I mean, does it use less ram than kde 3.4 ? |
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| 17:15.41 | FrostByte | any way to update from kde 3.4.x to kde 3.5.0 and not .1? |
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| 17:18.56 | thiago | yes, of course |
| 17:19.02 | thiago | download KDE 3.5.0 and not KDE 3.5.1, then install it |
| 17:19.13 | thiago | I have no idea why you would want to intentionally use an outdated version, though |
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| 17:21.37 | islamguide_com | has anyone got a 4 or 5 button mouse and managed to get all buttons working? |
| 17:21.55 | thiago | yes |
| 17:21.57 | thiago | works just fine |
| 17:22.07 | thiago | I think most people have 5-button mice anyways |
| 17:22.17 | thiago | I think you mean 6- or 7-button mice |
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| 17:26.27 | L|M|TED | is kchm part of the kde packages, or separate ? |
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| 17:26.50 | thiago | I think it's part of KDevelop, but I'm not sure |
| 17:26.55 | thiago | it's not in any of the other KDE main modules. |
| 17:27.34 | L|M|TED | i wish it was as easy as printing pdfs, but .chm is a lame format |
| 17:27.37 | thiago | no, not even KDevelop |
| 17:27.38 | L|M|TED | thx to m$ |
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| 17:32.49 | islamguide_com | i tried to configure printing using the kde wizard but when scanning for network on printers i can't find any |
| 17:33.00 | islamguide_com | am i doing anything wrong? |
| 17:33.10 | islamguide_com | network browsing is fine |
| 17:33.23 | thiago | it's scanning for IPP printers, not SMB printers |
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| 17:41.18 | francis | how can I make a make -f Makefile.cvs *not* use unsermake? |
| 17:43.21 | pinotree | export UNSERMAKE=no |
| 17:43.29 | pinotree | francis: ^^ |
| 17:43.55 | francis | thank you! |
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| 17:45.53 | thiago | why don't you want unsermake? |
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| 17:49.24 | jstampe | Where does KDE store it's theme files? |
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| 18:10.18 | The_ManU | nabend |
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| 18:11.21 | The_ManU | weiß jemand an was es liegen kann dass unter kde nicht alle hotkeys funktionieren |
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| 18:12.08 | rocafella | How do I disable tap-to-click in Debian? I can't find anything in KControl. |
| 18:13.33 | samboski | tap-to-click? what does that do? |
| 18:13.52 | rocafella | like for a laptop touchpad. |
| 18:14.14 | rocafella | if you tap the touchpad, it interprets it as a click |
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| 18:14.26 | rocafella | Which is annoying, and unnescessary |
| 18:14.53 | samboski | hmmmmmmm, most laptops have a physical button to disable that |
| 18:14.57 | samboski | not sure how to do it kde |
| 18:15.17 | samboski | i'll poke around though |
| 18:15.24 | The_ManU | oohh in this chan is mostly english spoken? |
| 18:15.37 | samboski | yes |
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| 18:15.53 | MarcoPolo | hello |
| 18:16.05 | MarcoPolo | i have a problem with kde media manager which is not starting anymore |
| 18:16.10 | MarcoPolo | since i upgraded hal |
| 18:16.24 | MarcoPolo | how can i see some kde log files ? (where are there located ?) |
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| 18:16.35 | leshaste | is anything for kde that makes the desktop look like the default setting for OS X? I mean with the taskbar magnification trick etc |
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| 18:18.17 | rocafella | baghira |
| 18:18.18 | The_ManU | so i want to know what could be the reason that not all hotkeys have a function, only mute, raise volume, lower volume |
| 18:18.32 | rocafella | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.39 | leshaste | thx |
| 18:19.15 | rocafella | http://baghira.sourceforge.net/screenies.php |
| 18:19.18 | rocafella | np |
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| 18:19.55 | leshaste | http://baghira.sourceforge.net/screenies.shtml oops |
| 18:19.56 | leshaste | :) |
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| 18:20.12 | samboski | rocafella, http://scottcollins.net/blog/2006/01/disable-touchpad-tap-in-kubuntubreezy.html |
| 18:20.16 | samboski | that may do it for you |
| 18:20.22 | rocafella | thanks, samboski! |
| 18:21.19 | leshaste | rocafella: does it do the taskbar magnification thing? |
| 18:21.30 | leshaste | rocafella: I mean the icons get magnified when you mouse over them? |
| 18:21.31 | rocafella | It makes it look just like OSX |
| 18:21.37 | rocafella | I think so, yes. |
| 18:21.46 | leshaste | ok.. can't see that in the docs yet |
| 18:21.48 | leshaste | still looking |
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| 18:25.51 | LatinSuD | hi, does kruler measure other unit than pixels ? debian package says so, but it doesnt... |
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| 18:28.55 | thiago | what other unit could it measure on? |
| 18:29.41 | sredna | thiago: Meters, inches, ... |
| 18:29.52 | sredna | Points |
| 18:29.54 | sredna | Liter |
| 18:29.56 | sredna | :o |
| 18:30.04 | thiago | heh, given that just about everyone has their DPI settings broken, I don't see how useful that would be |
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| 18:31.10 | sredna | ... after measuring my screen with a measuring tape ;) |
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| 18:32.35 | LatinSuD | at least debian package should not lie about it |
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| 18:34.57 | tstaerk | how can I enable graphical root login ? |
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| 18:36.32 | Tm_T | tstaerk: why should you |
| 18:36.40 | thiago | I don't think kdm disables it |
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| 18:37.21 | _neopc | alguma gatinha afim de tc?? |
| 18:37.37 | thiago | _neopc: English only, please. Wrong channel for that kind of question. |
| 18:38.14 | tstaerk | Tm_T, because I do not want to switch user just because I insert a floppy |
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| 18:38.45 | Tm_T | tstaerk: because you should not need to switch user just because you insert floppy |
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| 18:39.12 | Tm_T | tstaerk: also, you should never drive yourself to situation when you have to login to KDE as root |
| 18:39.28 | thiago | besides, what does floppies have to do with switching users? |
| 18:39.34 | Tm_T | indeed |
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| 18:40.25 | tstaerk | well, when I inserted a floppy, I had to mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy |
| 18:40.36 | thiago | right, so? |
| 18:41.49 | tstaerk | this is not possible if you are unexperienced. My mom would rather go away than learn something like sudo. |
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| 18:43.03 | thiago | then use something like supermount or another automounter |
| 18:43.39 | thiago | "my car doesn't have any brakes, so I took it to the repair shop to fix the horn" |
| 18:43.52 | tstaerk | exactly - too complicated. After 5 years of Linux, I hear this for the first time. |
| 18:44.22 | thiago | distributions like Mandriva set it up for you at install time |
| 18:44.30 | thiago | it's in fact one of the first things I turn off after installing |
| 18:44.44 | thiago | besides, you can just use the "users" option on fstab and allow any user to mount the floppy |
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| 18:48.00 | desowin | is there konqueror adblock filter list somewhere available to download ? |
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| 18:58.03 | magyar | i have a problem with kaffeine, i get no sound when playing back media files, mute on mute off doesnt seem to do anything |
| 18:58.11 | magyar | can someone help a brother? |
| 18:59.22 | desowin | mabu: did you tried unmuting also with alsamixer ? |
| 18:59.50 | desowin | oooopps |
| 19:00.02 | desowin | magyar: did you tried unmuting also with alsamixer ? |
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| 19:01.04 | hausi | hi |
| 19:01.12 | desowin | magyar: also there is in settings, xine engine parameters, audio. you can select driver to use, probably you'll have to select 'alsa' here |
| 19:01.29 | hausi | german? |
| 19:02.04 | desowin | hausi: not here, try #kde.de |
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| 19:02.50 | Buddha| | Are there any outliner apps for KDE like OmniOutliner for Mac? |
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| 19:11.33 | magyar | desowin, thanks, I couldnt figure out what changed so i removed the "kaffein" folder and it works now |
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| 19:16.22 | error403 | Is there any particular reason why neither Cervisia or KDEsvn allow for prompting for passwords when accessing repositories?> |
| 19:16.43 | Sho_ | Buddha|: I think I saw an outliner on kde-apps.org somewhere |
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| 19:30.21 | dw_ | why the heck is konqueror set to view gmail/google as Safari? |
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| 19:30.35 | dw_ | google are never going to support konqueror if they think no-one's using it |
| 19:30.46 | desowin | dw_: it's google fault |
| 19:31.22 | desowin | dw_: even call technical support isn't accesiable by konqueror :( |
| 19:32.15 | dw_ | well I'm removing those identifications |
| 19:33.35 | desowin | dw_: if all of us, will tell google that there is konqueror and we use it (also kmail), they'll support it |
| 19:33.57 | dw_ | thing is, everyone isn't |
| 19:34.11 | dw_ | unless someone put a note about it on the Dot ;-) |
| 19:34.14 | desowin | they are willing to add support for kmail, but as they say, they need help from users |
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| 19:35.07 | qupada | well kmail surely shouldn't be an issue... after all i check my gmail account on my cellphone with it's pop3 client, there surelly isn't a barrier to what email clients you can and can't use |
| 19:35.09 | Sho_ | dw_: Google knows that Konq identifies as Safari on GMail |
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| 19:35.17 | dw_ | Sho_: you sure? |
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| 19:35.43 | Buddha| | I use Kmail for my Gmail account, and I have no problems |
| 19:36.16 | Buddha| | It's even nicer now that I set it to beep when I get new mail ^^ |
| 19:36.39 | dw_ | that would get really annoying if you're signed up on any high-traffic mailing lists ;) |
| 19:36.53 | desowin | i got connection broken when downloading emails takes over half hour (i don't know why, but i can get mails only at 2kb/s) |
| 19:36.55 | Buddha| | I have it set to check every half hour |
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| 19:37.14 | desowin | even my connection is 1mbit |
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| 19:48.07 | shriram | hi all |
| 19:48.10 | freeone3000 | Hi. |
| 19:48.16 | freeone3000 | KDE guys, I beat your game. |
| 19:48.19 | freeone3000 | KODO was too easy. |
| 19:48.30 | shriram | try ksudoko |
| 19:48.30 | shriram | :P |
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| 19:49.05 | freeone3000 | Can I beat that one by writing a program to solve it for me? |
| 19:49.12 | shriram | can anyone help me with this crazy MVC stuff in qt4 ? |
| 19:49.12 | DaSkreec1 | Yes |
| 19:49.53 | shriram | freeone3000: though.. it will take quite some time to write such a proggie |
| 19:50.01 | shriram | now,qt4 mvc, anyone ? |
| 19:50.20 | litb | what? a sudoku solver? |
| 19:50.25 | shriram | yes |
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| 19:50.28 | litb | i wrote one... |
| 19:50.35 | shriram | in 10 mins ? |
| 19:50.40 | lurker` | hi, is there somewhere I can find a kate plugin writing tutorial ? or at least some sort of quick-start guide for that sort of thing ? I can't seem to get kate to acknowledge the existence of my plugins |
| 19:50.44 | litb | in 5 hours |
| 19:50.49 | litb | without examples |
| 19:50.51 | shriram | oh ok |
| 19:50.59 | litb | only my brain := |
| 19:51.15 | shriram | i solved a sudoku with just my brain too |
| 19:51.21 | shriram | never had solved it before |
| 19:51.32 | litb | no, i programmes that tool with only my brain |
| 19:51.39 | litb | i tried to say... |
| 19:51.46 | litb | *programmed |
| 19:51.47 | shriram | ok yes i was just pulling your leg |
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| 19:52.03 | shriram | now can you help me with mvc stuff ? |
| 19:52.20 | litb | nope |
| 19:52.24 | shriram | lol |
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| 20:02.29 | sredna | lurker`: http://drupal.kate-editor.org/article/writing_kate_plugins_howto |
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| 20:02.57 | lurker` | sredna> thank you, I'll have a look |
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| 20:04.03 | mart | anyone know how to make the kded windows get focus automatically, without Alt-tabbing? |
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| 20:07.18 | lurker` | haha, excellent, I got kate to load the plugin, thank you again sredna |
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| 20:15.46 | Muyeen | i love KDE |
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| 20:16.47 | fir3st0rm | hi |
| 20:17.01 | Muyeen | hi |
| 20:17.06 | fir3st0rm | how can i set up font anti aliasing so that it looks good? |
| 20:17.46 | HuntsMan | fir3st0rm: Control Center / Appareance, Fonts |
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| 20:18.04 | fir3st0rm | what do i have to set there? |
| 20:18.19 | Muyeen | how can i add the pci modem driver to the kernel 2.6 |
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| 20:18.33 | fir3st0rm | i experimented a bit with the settings there but the fonts look a bit blurry now |
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| 20:18.46 | _ugur | hello everybody |
| 20:19.07 | _ugur | can you help me pls |
| 20:19.12 | tstaerk | Muyeen, try kinternet or ask in your distro's channel. |
| 20:19.13 | Muyeen | the pci modem does not dial at all |
| 20:19.18 | _ugur | i m beginner linux user |
| 20:19.42 | _ugur | i cant enter windows partitions |
| 20:19.53 | Muyeen | i tried the kinternet and i got no carrier found |
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| 20:19.55 | _ugur | anybody help me? |
| 20:19.56 | tstaerk | _ugur, which windows, which filesystem ? |
| 20:20.08 | _ugur | ntfs |
| 20:20.18 | _ugur | im usin suse10 |
| 20:20.36 | _ugur | i installed it just a few minutes ago |
| 20:20.49 | tstaerk | _ugur, no way ! I deleted all my windows partition by writing to it from Linux. |
| 20:21.08 | tstaerk | Muyeen, distro ? modem ? |
| 20:21.22 | _ugur | i have 2 ntfs partititons on my hdd |
| 20:21.55 | Muyeen | pci linmodem Smartlink chipset |
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| 20:22.52 | Muyeen | i can query the modem fine |
| 20:23.34 | lilalinux | what is the command line option for ksnapshot to use single window? |
| 20:24.01 | c0uch | _ugur - there is a linux ntfs driver, you'll most likely have to built a new kernel to use it and it's not perfect (full read support, but write support can't create new files (the ntfs driver is owned by MS and they dont like to share)) |
| 20:24.02 | DaSkreec1 | _ugur: What is inside of /mnt? |
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| 20:24.32 | _ugur | wait pls |
| 20:24.40 | tstaerk | lilalinux, -c |
| 20:24.44 | lilalinux | thx |
| 20:25.07 | _ugur | nothin |
| 20:25.13 | _ugur | in my /mnt |
| 20:25.39 | tstaerk | DaSkreec1, _ugur , under suse it is called /media, and you will have to look under /windows/C |
| 20:25.57 | tstaerk | _ugur, do a mount and you will see where your partitions are mounted. |
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| 20:26.03 | DaSkreec1 | Yeah Thate was the second place I was going to check :) |
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| 20:26.32 | _ugur | ther is no /windows/c or d |
| 20:26.49 | _ugur | how can i mount it? |
| 20:27.02 | _ugur | tstaerk? |
| 20:27.10 | tstaerk | try kinfocenter to see which partitions you have |
| 20:27.30 | tstaerk | _ugur, there you will also find where they are mounted. |
| 20:28.58 | _ugur | oh no |
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| 20:29.24 | _ugur | i saw windows partitons when i install it before |
| 20:29.37 | _ugur | now theyare not here |
| 20:29.53 | _ugur | they are nok amounted |
| 20:30.00 | _ugur | not amounted |
| 20:30.39 | c0uch | ugur, in kinfocenter go to the storage devices section, if you don't see any entry with a type ntfs then your partition table is either broken, or - more likely, you deleted windows when you installed suse |
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| 20:30.58 | _ugur | i guess too |
| 20:31.04 | c0uch | (especially if it has listings for /dev/hda1 as a linux partition) |
| 20:31.12 | _ugur | i ll restart the system |
| 20:31.28 | _ugur | i m searchin windows on boot |
| 20:31.28 | tstaerk | _ugur, wait |
| 20:31.36 | _ugur | ok |
| 20:31.41 | _ugur | i m waitin |
| 20:31.57 | tstaerk | _ugur, what are you expecting to get when restarting ? A screen to chose between Windows and Linux ? |
| 20:32.10 | _ugur | yep |
| 20:32.21 | _ugur | grup showed me |
| 20:32.25 | _ugur | grub |
| 20:32.28 | tstaerk | _ugur, the Suse installer per default does this. And it does not overwrite the Windows partitions |
| 20:32.58 | tstaerk | _ugur, okay, restart and give it a try booting Windows. |
| 20:33.07 | _ugur | ok |
| 20:33.15 | _ugur | if its not work |
| 20:33.24 | _ugur | i ll reinstall suse |
| 20:33.30 | _ugur | ok? |
| 20:33.44 | _ugur | or do different things |
| 20:33.45 | _ugur | ? |
| 20:34.03 | tstaerk | _ugur, if starting Windows does not work ? |
| 20:34.16 | tstaerk | _ugur, first try. I think it will work. I know Suse. |
| 20:34.43 | _ugur | what will i do? |
| 20:35.04 | tstaerk | _ugur, restart your computer with Windows :) |
| 20:35.16 | _ugur | please hold on |
| 20:35.24 | _ugur | tstaerk |
| 20:35.33 | _ugur | i ll be right back |
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| 20:37.35 | tstaerk | lilalinux, thanks to you I now have my "print" button working :) |
| 20:37.50 | tstaerk | lilalinux, I did not know ksnapshot exists :) |
| 20:39.43 | c0uch | my kde media manager just recently stopped working (the service doesnt even start) - where are useful logs about this kept? |
| 20:40.25 | c0uch | (kde3.5) |
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| 20:42.39 | _ugur | hello |
| 20:43.20 | annma | what is your kde media manager exactly, c0uch ? |
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| 20:44.04 | nael | arts ? |
| 20:44.07 | nael | artsd* |
| 20:44.09 | c0uch | sorry, my kded media manager - the service |
| 20:44.16 | nael | erf |
| 20:44.25 | _ugur | tstaerk |
| 20:44.37 | _ugur | hi |
| 20:44.51 | _ugur | it didnt work |
| 20:44.56 | c0uch | (the service that keeps track of media(cd/dvd) changes and allows mounting/unmounting through the kde interface) |
| 20:45.14 | _ugur | i can see the partitions |
| 20:45.22 | _ugur | i cant enter them |
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| 20:45.44 | _ugur | tstaerk? |
| 20:46.10 | misha-strong | i'm having trouble installing this splash-screen, it needs a plugin called moodin |
| 20:46.23 | tstaerk | _ugur, yes |
| 20:46.38 | annma | misha-strong: install this moodin then |
| 20:46.39 | misha-strong | So i download a moodin rpm, installed that and then i click test and it doesnt work 8/ |
| 20:46.41 | tstaerk | _ugur, you cannot start Windows ? |
| 20:46.41 | _ugur | it didnt work |
| 20:46.52 | _ugur | windows started |
| 20:47.04 | _ugur | there is no problem about windows |
| 20:47.06 | tstaerk | so it worked |
| 20:47.12 | _ugur | yep |
| 20:47.22 | misha-strong | _ugur: http://www.kde-look.org/usermanager/pics/peterson.png |
| 20:47.31 | _ugur | but i cant enter |
| 20:47.46 | tstaerk | _ugur, do not try to write to your Windows partitions from Linux. |
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| 20:47.52 | nael | _ugur: What dyu mean by enter ? |
| 20:48.14 | Alethes | /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/libtaskmanager.so.1: Undefined symbol "XCompositeNameWindowPixmap" |
| 20:48.20 | Alethes | what am I getting wrong? :/ |
| 20:48.38 | _ugur | hey i have a lot of document in the partititons |
| 20:48.41 | annma | Alethes: building what exactly? |
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| 20:48.58 | Alethes | not building anything at the moment |
| 20:49.02 | Alethes | this is running kicker |
| 20:49.20 | annma | Composite's running? |
| 20:49.25 | Alethes | yeah |
| 20:49.35 | Alethes | does the same thing whether it's running or not though |
| 20:49.46 | annma | happened since install? |
| 20:49.55 | annma | or is this sudden? |
| 20:49.55 | _ugur | thanks everybody |
| 20:50.08 | _ugur | bye for now |
| 20:50.11 | Alethes | I just updated to 3.5.1 |
| 20:50.15 | _ugur | thanks tstaerk |
| 20:50.17 | annma | distro? |
| 20:50.22 | Alethes | freebsd 6.0 release |
| 20:50.35 | annma | so you'd have to ask them |
| 20:50.36 | c0uch | so no one knows where logs of kded media manager service are located? |
| 20:50.49 | nael | (and here annma say : "#freebsd") |
| 20:50.57 | Alethes | heh |
| 20:51.13 | annma | there's a kde channel for freebsd |
| 20:51.24 | annma | look at kde freebsd website |
| 20:51.40 | Alethes | that doesn't help, 'cause it's not a freebsd issue. The question is which lib is the wrong version when taskbar.so.1 complains? |
| 20:52.01 | Alethes | libtaskbar.so.1 that is |
| 20:52.01 | annma | why don't i have tis issue from kde sources? |
| 20:52.09 | Alethes | I'm using sources as well |
| 20:52.17 | annma | use grep then |
| 20:52.29 | Alethes | and it's because you have the right version of the lib, which is why I'm asking which lib is this bitching about |
| 20:52.55 | annma | hmmm shouldn't configure tell you when you build if anything's wrong? |
| 20:53.06 | Alethes | apparently not |
| 20:53.12 | annma | this is how it works for me from sources |
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| 20:55.36 | misha-strong | Okay, I really need someone who knows about kde splash screens to look at this screenshot: http://www.actionpos.co.za/finger.png |
| 20:55.37 | g-henna | hi! |
| 20:55.44 | misha-strong | hi |
| 20:56.17 | g-henna | how can i tell kmail to append --charset=??? to gpg when encrypting an inline-openpgp message? |
| 20:56.40 | annma | misha-strong: the splash screen is fro kde-look.org, right? |
| 20:56.49 | misha-strong | annma: yes |
| 20:56.57 | annma | misha-strong: then ask the author |
| 20:57.09 | annma | maybe the thing just does not work |
| 20:57.22 | misha-strong | 60000 downloads hehe unlikely |
| 20:57.25 | annma | it's not included in kde official so there's little we can do |
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| 21:00.15 | c0uch | misha-strong - does the moodinkde test work? |
| 21:00.21 | c0uch | (not the fingerprint one) |
| 21:01.27 | g-henna | where can i ask someone about that kmail-gpg thingy? or where is the source code that i would have to look at? |
| 21:02.23 | annma | g-henna: try #kontact |
| 21:02.41 | annma | as for the source code, if you have the source, use grep |
| 21:03.49 | c0uch | g-henna - iirc kmail uses the charset specified in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf |
| 21:04.12 | c0uch | but i havent used gpg for a while, nor kmail for even longer |
| 21:05.19 | c0uch | misha-strong, if moodinkde splash test works, but fingerprint does not, then you have the same problem i had: fingerprint isn't compatible with kde3.5+... however there's a better looking (and similar looking) splash called login-scan-splash that DOES work with 3.5 - look for it on kde-look.org |
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| 21:13.10 | Buddha| | Lesson #439: Do not try starting Oleo from within X Windows |
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| 21:13.39 | CHodapp | Oleo? |
| 21:13.49 | Buddha| | Console spreadsheet |
| 21:13.55 | CHodapp | hmm |
| 21:14.50 | Buddha| | Does anyone know of an outliner app for KDE, like OmniOutliner for OS X? |
| 21:18.49 | DaSkreec1 | Hi annma |
| 21:19.15 | annma | hi DaSkreec1 |
| 21:20.40 | DaSkreec1 | Seen aiglx? |
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| 21:28.38 | misha-strong | couch, i have kde 3.5 however my moodinkde splash test does not work either. How did you install moodin? |
| 21:33.06 | misha-strong | heh |
| 21:34.00 | misha-strong | whats that again, abused-woman-syndrome or something... |
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| 21:34.14 | tstaerk | ahh!!! finally back to the root :) |
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| 21:35.19 | DaSkreec1 | misha-strong: Huh? |
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| 21:35.40 | misha-strong | DaSkreec1: argh dont worry |
| 21:36.01 | DaSkreec1 | Fighting back is abused woman syndrome? |
| 21:36.34 | annma | after 2 slaps |
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| 21:36.51 | annma | seems misha-strong dos not know I do karate |
| 21:37.07 | misha-strong | well its not called abused-woman-syndrome , its when after a long time of abuse, the woman eventually snaps and kills the abuser, and abused-woman-syndrome or something is the legal defence |
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| 21:37.13 | Em | uhh. is metabar intrinsically part of the code for konqueror ? |
| 21:37.44 | annma | why a woman is abused is however the real problem |
| 21:37.59 | DaSkreec1 | Oh I thought that was called stop taking crap |
| 21:37.59 | annma | as: why did you splap me twice? |
| 21:38.23 | misha-strong | ok lol enough now |
| 21:38.44 | alexey__ | hmm - interesting - a KDE Control Center (in KDE4) will ever include OS & server configguration stuff ? Like Yast ? |
| 21:38.49 | tstaerk | come on, men are also abused. |
| 21:39.31 | annma | alexey__: distros add their stuff usually or have their own Control Center |
| 21:39.38 | tstaerk | alexey__, the distributors have the chance to melt kcontrol and their system config tool. Suse takes it. |
| 21:39.45 | annma | alexey__: the problem with KControl is it's already very complex |
| 21:40.04 | annma | so adding more stuff wil bloat things more |
| 21:40.16 | tstaerk | I do not know of any other distributor doing that. And within stock suse, kcontrol contains some yast modules. |
| 21:40.33 | tstaerk | relatively well done even. |
| 21:40.33 | annma | Mandriva amends KControl as well |
| 21:40.34 | alexey__ | I see - but many control centers are absent/ugly. |
| 21:40.43 | annma | alexey__: like? |
| 21:40.45 | alexey__ | 2 examples - Debian & RedHat. |
| 21:40.50 | tstaerk | yes!!! |
| 21:40.55 | annma | well it's the distro choice |
| 21:41.27 | tstaerk | alexey__, no, kcontrol will not do the distributor's job I guess. It allows them to integrate, however. |
| 21:41.27 | annma | however we cannot add Debian specific in KDE COntrol Center |
| 21:41.38 | tstaerk | wise words, annma |
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| 21:42.16 | alexey__ | while we cannot add Debian-specifics to KControl, maybe we can add some server config stuff. |
| 21:42.28 | alexey__ | we did it for SMB/VNC |
| 21:42.37 | alexey__ | we could extend it with Apache/FTP |
| 21:42.40 | alexey__ | and NX |
| 21:43.01 | c0uch | misha-strong, yes? |
| 21:43.08 | tstaerk | alexey__, yes, do that - I will gladly commit your patch |
| 21:43.12 | Em | so has anybody seen a quirk in metabar like this one ? http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=metabarwithoversizedicons3fr.png |
| 21:43.22 | misha-strong | couch, i have kde 3.5 however my moodinkde splash test does not work either. How did you install moodin? |
| 21:43.24 | annma | alexey__: well do a mockup and propose it on bugs.kde.org |
| 21:43.26 | alexey__ | -I'm not a programmer. |
| 21:43.34 | tstaerk | me neither |
| 21:43.41 | annma | a mockup does not need programming skills |
| 21:44.08 | annma | it looks like you know what you want to add |
| 21:44.15 | annma | so draw it and propose it |
| 21:44.22 | annma | and where |
| 21:44.26 | c0uch | iirc i used a gentoo ebuild |
| 21:44.43 | c0uch | there were some quirks to it - there are tips in the comments at kde-look.org |
| 21:44.43 | tstaerk | alexey__, you can issue a "wishlist item" at bugs.kde.org |
| 21:44.51 | annma | yes |
| 21:44.56 | c0uch | is it just a blue box with glashing blue/white boxes below it during the test? |
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| 21:45.17 | c0uch | flashing* |
| 21:45.19 | annma | however just a wish as you stated here won't lead to anything alexey__ |
| 21:45.35 | alexey__ | unfortunately :( |
| 21:45.40 | annma | a mockup would be far better to show how you integrate things in kcontrol |
| 21:45.56 | annma | having vague wishes can be done all day |
| 21:46.07 | alexey__ | by "mockup" you mean a GUI that does nothing ? |
| 21:46.09 | annma | I wish KControl is less bloated |
| 21:46.13 | annma | a drawing |
| 21:46.38 | annma | mockup = a drawing of the kcontrol tab you want to add and where |
| 21:46.43 | alexey__ | annma - KControl is good. very good. less bloated might result in loss of functions. |
| 21:46.53 | misha-strong | c0uch you couch-potato, how did you install moodin (with and rpm or with a tarchive) ? |
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| 21:46.57 | annma | well everyone says it's not good but you |
| 21:47.12 | annma | alexey__: you are the first person thinking kcontrol is OK |
| 21:47.15 | tstaerk | kcontrol is really good. BTW, I bloated it a bit for KDE 4. |
| 21:47.21 | DaSkreec1 | How many iterations of 3.5.x are planned? |
| 21:47.27 | alexey__ | many |
| 21:47.33 | annma | DaSkreec1: not sure |
| 21:47.38 | c0uch | as i said, a gentoo ebuild, built from source |
| 21:47.47 | alexey__ | you know why - because KDE 3.6 is not planned - and KDE 4 is very far. |
| 21:47.48 | DaSkreec1 | 3.5.8? |
| 21:48.07 | alexey__ | So KDE 3.5 will have many iterations. maybe 6 or more :) |
| 21:48.08 | DaSkreec1 | alexey__: It's not >that< far |
| 21:48.08 | tstaerk | I don't think there will be a 3.5.5. |
| 21:48.20 | misha-strong | c0uch oh okay ;0 |
| 21:48.23 | EvilGuru | what is wrong in the current versions of kde |
| 21:48.27 | c0uch | misha-strong, what disto are you running? |
| 21:48.33 | EvilGuru | so much that you want a new 3.x release |
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| 21:48.36 | annma | DaSkreec1: too many 3.5 releases will prevent KDE4 work |
| 21:48.52 | alexey__ | yes, I want a new 3.6 release. |
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| 21:49.00 | DaSkreec1 | THats was my thought |
| 21:49.03 | annma | alexey__: what would be in? |
| 21:49.07 | EvilGuru | what do you want to see in it that is so important |
| 21:49.17 | annma | we cannot work both on 3.x and 4.0 |
| 21:49.21 | EvilGuru | that it is worth pushing back kde 4 (which will be a big jump) |
| 21:49.28 | annma | we don't have the (wo)manpower |
| 21:49.29 | DaSkreec1 | EvilGuru: Me or alexey__? |
| 21:49.41 | alexey__ | NX technology & fixes |
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| 21:49.53 | EvilGuru | fixes are for 3.5.x |
| 21:49.54 | misha-strong | c0uch: Fedora Core 4 on teh x86_64 |
| 21:49.58 | annma | EvilGuru: KDE4 is already planned for 18 months ahead so pushing it more will be a apin |
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| 21:50.00 | annma | pain |
| 21:50.21 | annma | alexey__: NX technologies and fixes in 3.6??? |
| 21:50.27 | annma | you're dreaming, right? |
| 21:50.35 | alexey__ | right |
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| 21:50.40 | annma | ah, good |
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| 21:51.15 | alexey__ | reallistically - I think there will be much more than normal .x.x.3 iterations for the 3.5.x line. |
| 21:51.15 | Trav | what was the name of that famous cd burning tool again? |
| 21:51.23 | annma | K3b |
| 21:51.28 | Trav | thanks |
| 21:51.32 | EvilGuru | NX technologies |
| 21:51.32 | c0uch | misha-strong moodin has a lot of builds but i dont think there's a 64bit rpm - you'll probably have to install from source... http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=25705 is the latest version of the software (4.2) - make sure you get all necessary path's right during install |
| 21:51.40 | annma | alexey__: reallistically??? |
| 21:51.47 | alexey__ | because this line will be last before KDE 4 - and it will last for long time as "stable" |
| 21:51.47 | annma | what reality is that from? |
| 21:51.56 | annma | no, alexey__ |
| 21:51.58 | lilalinux | tstaerk: My print button doesn't work, but ksnapshot -c works :) |
| 21:52.07 | annma | look at the commits for 3.5.2 |
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| 21:52.12 | annma | there are scarse |
| 21:52.16 | lilalinux | although I can configure alt-print, it doesn't respond to it |
| 21:52.23 | annma | because we work on kde4, alexey__ |
| 21:52.59 | EvilGuru | someone please explain what NX technologies are? |
| 21:53.12 | alexey__ | even if fixes are scarse - there would be security issues that needs to be dealt with. |
| 21:53.39 | annma | security issues are dealt with patches |
| 21:53.50 | alexey__ | NX technology - is remote access - like VNC/Remote Desktop/pcAnyWhere - but much faster. |
| 21:54.08 | misha-strong | c0uch just read the last few lines of this log: http://www.actionpos.co.za/moodinlog.txt its from installing the link you just mentioned |
| 21:54.17 | alexey__ | OK, but normal users don't install _patches_. |
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| 21:54.41 | alexey__ | they need a new bugxfixed version of KDE/their distro. |
| 21:54.46 | annma | distros include them and release new packages, alexey__ |
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| 21:55.00 | c0uch | misha-strong - yeah, not being able to find qt would definitelly put a damper on moodin operation |
| 21:55.01 | annma | anyway, KDE is what we make it |
| 21:55.02 | EvilGuru | oh FreeNX, sho__ was telling me about it the othr day |
| 21:55.05 | alexey__ | So it seems that KDE 3.5.4 and 3.5.5 *will* be released. |
| 21:55.11 | annma | no |
| 21:55.17 | misha-strong | couch: i have qt installed, what must I do? |
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| 21:55.49 | alexey__ | yep FreeNX |
| 21:56.01 | johnny69 | alexey__: I hope it's soon..I just grabbed a minor revision thingy for Suse/Kde and it is a disaster. Just a complete disaster. |
| 21:56.03 | alexey__ | and I want to KDE fully support FreeNX |
| 21:56.15 | annma | yes you want |
| 21:56.21 | annma | we can see that |
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| 21:56.26 | EvilGuru | alexey__: implement it yourself |
| 21:56.37 | alexey__ | johnny69 - not soon - nobody working on it. |
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| 21:56.47 | alexey__ | <- not a programmer |
| 21:56.50 | HappyHobo | Howdy folks |
| 21:56.50 | EvilGuru | I used to get annoyed with devs, until I learnt that I could do it myself |
| 21:56.51 | annma | EvilGuru: of course he: has no time, cannot programming, it's not his job, whatever |
| 21:56.52 | c0uch | misha-strong - you need to 1) make sure you've got a version 3.0+ (if you have kde3.5 youre find), and 2) give configure the path to your qt install since it looks like it's not in the default location - i havent installed a gui in fedora so i dont know where it puts qt, but im sure you could find information on it's path on fedora forums or through google |
| 21:57.41 | c0uch | you're fine* |
| 21:58.02 | EvilGuru | annma: most of the kde developers do not do it as their job (part time) and have little time, and I am sure at one point could not program |
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| 21:58.19 | annma | EvilGuru: lol, of course I know that |
| 21:58.30 | annma | EvilGuru: i am one |
| 21:58.36 | alexey__ | still KDE is great ! |
| 21:58.38 | wisp | hey guys.. i've got a problem.. i just installed windowmaker, but it's not showing up in kdm's session list. |
| 21:58.42 | misha-strong | c0uch: /usr/lib64/qt-3.3/lib/ ... has qt-mt |
| 21:58.54 | wisp | what could be causing this? |
| 21:58.55 | pusling | any one knows a tool to create a font ? |
| 21:58.58 | annma | as said Phil in his blog, users think we were born knowing C++ |
| 21:59.03 | DaSkreec1 | on a side note alexey__ what value would NX bring to KDE? |
| 21:59.12 | DaSkreec1 | annma: :-) |
| 21:59.15 | misha-strong | c0uch as does /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/ |
| 21:59.34 | misha-strong | c0uch so I just add it to $path? |
| 21:59.49 | c0uch | hm, its odd that configure doesnt find it in those places |
| 21:59.54 | alexey__ | hmmm... - NX could show KDE remotely. Like a honeypot for Linux newbies. |
| 22:00.01 | annma | a kcontrol module shipped with NX would do it |
| 22:00.05 | alexey__ | ...for a bear |
| 22:00.11 | EvilGuru | alexey__: I use kde remotely frm my ibook every day |
| 22:00.28 | annma | as k3b ships its own module |
| 22:00.44 | EvilGuru | so that I can get my daily dosage of vitamin K even when I am not at home |
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| 22:00.52 | annma | it's not something we need in standard KDE, I agree with DaSkreec1 |
| 22:00.53 | alexey__ | of course you do - but KDE itegration would do it easier. |
| 22:01.11 | misha-strong | c0uch so would adding it implicitly help? |
| 22:01.13 | alexey__ | OK, module, like VNC is supported, ... |
| 22:01.32 | EvilGuru | is NX not something that the X.org dudes should be working on |
| 22:01.56 | alexey__ | only the core of NX is something X dudes must work on. |
| 22:02.01 | annma | what does VNC need to work, alexey__ ? |
| 22:02.07 | DaSkreec1 | alexey__: Give me a scenario |
| 22:02.09 | alexey__ | but NX core is exists - and it's pretty good. |
| 22:02.13 | annma | what does VNC need to work, alexey__ ? |
| 22:02.24 | tstaerk | alexey__, you can hire a programmer doing the work for you, see e.g. www.kontact.org/shopping |
| 22:02.28 | alexey__ | so the next thing is KDE integration of both NX server & NX client |
| 22:02.43 | EvilGuru | you mean like a wrapper application |
| 22:02.45 | alexey__ | maybe KIOslave nx:// protocol for Konqueror huh ? |
| 22:02.50 | misha-strong | c0uch how is "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}:$PWD" in /usr/lib64/qt-3.3/lib/ ? |
| 22:02.53 | EvilGuru | as from what I understand there is not a lot of wrap |
| 22:02.54 | c0uch | misha-strong - probably not the best idea, the README or INSTALL files probably tell you how to specify it, although i have a feeling that that wont fix the probably as it's in a pretty standard place |
| 22:03.30 | alexey__ | VNC - can be used on a LAN - but on the Internet is dog slow. |
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| 22:03.35 | c0uch | fix the problem (sorry - i've been up for a few too many hours heh) |
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| 22:03.44 | EvilGuru | even on lan vnc is slow |
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| 22:03.56 | alexey__ | a LAN VNC is fast |
| 22:04.09 | EvilGuru | but it is also cpu intensive |
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| 22:04.18 | EvilGuru | provides sub-par quality |
| 22:04.29 | EvilGuru | and at the end of the day is image based |
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| 22:05.01 | EvilGuru | x tunnelling however gives me near native speeds |
| 22:05.06 | DaSkreec1 | Diff based would be nice |
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| 22:05.18 | c0uch | i use vnc for my lan, get perfect quality, and have lightning fast response on 100mbit, and pretty good response on 10mbit... |
| 22:05.19 | DaSkreec1 | Still not sure why I'd want to have NX in kate though |
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| 22:05.34 | EvilGuru | DaSkreec1: most are diff based, but that is still cpu intensive |
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| 22:05.54 | alexey__ | not in Kate, but in Konqueror |
| 22:06.07 | EvilGuru | so what would it do |
| 22:06.12 | alexey__ | to have Konqueror act as a NX client |
| 22:06.14 | EvilGuru | nx://freddie@slugware |
| 22:06.21 | alexey__ | yep |
| 22:06.21 | tstaerk | good night |
| 22:06.23 | pinko | kate doesn't have a multi-file regex search hidden somewhere, does it? |
| 22:06.27 | EvilGuru | would in a konqueror window allow me to log into my slug |
| 22:06.32 | EvilGuru | via ssh |
| 22:06.42 | EvilGuru | and then start up an application (e.g the gimp) |
| 22:06.49 | EvilGuru | and have it appear in a new window? |
| 22:06.59 | sredna | pinko: Not apart from the grep tool ('find in files') |
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| 22:08.23 | alexey__ | SVG - how good is supported by KDE/ KDE apps ? |
| 22:08.54 | pinko | sredna: that must be kfind... I hadn't though of that. I'll give it a try. |
| 22:09.25 | EvilGuru | alexey__: it could be better - wait until kde 4 |
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| 22:10.37 | DaSkreec1 | alexey__: So I'd view a nother machine inside of Konqueror? |
| 22:11.05 | EvilGuru | I do not think so |
| 22:11.06 | misha-strong | c0uch, generally speaking, how do I check what my library path is? |
| 22:11.11 | alexey__ | DaSkreec1: yes |
| 22:11.14 | EvilGuru | you would view a terminal in konsole |
| 22:11.24 | EvilGuru | where you would run applications on the remote computer |
| 22:11.33 | EvilGuru | and the windows would appear on your screen |
| 22:11.37 | alexey__ | no terminal/no console/ no text |
| 22:11.41 | alexey__ | just a GUI |
| 22:11.48 | alexey__ | from a Konqueror |
| 22:11.57 | alexey__ | or a standalone program |
| 22:12.08 | alexey__ | like NX client, but KDE oriented |
| 22:12.18 | alexey__ | there is knx |
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| 22:12.37 | alexey__ | but it's very bad on functionality/KDE integration |
| 22:12.41 | DaSkreec1 | EvilGuru: I think the applications would run on the remote computer and you see them inside the konqueror window |
| 22:12.46 | EvilGuru | yes |
| 22:12.51 | alexey__ | yes |
| 22:13.01 | DaSkreec1 | alexey__: ahh!! |
| 22:13.04 | EvilGuru | but if it is anything like tunneling x then the applications open in their own window |
| 22:13.07 | EvilGuru | which is better all round |
| 22:13.08 | alexey__ | the core FreeNX libs are there. |
| 22:13.10 | DaSkreec1 | What you want is a better knx? |
| 22:13.43 | nael | DaSkreec1: kpart_knx :p |
| 22:13.46 | alexey__ | yes |
| 22:14.03 | alexey__ | but not only that, but also NX server KDE frontend |
| 22:14.09 | alexey__ | like there is for VNC |
| 22:14.25 | alexey__ | VNC is fully supported from the KDE KControl |
| 22:14.33 | alexey__ | NX should be supported too |
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| 22:17.16 | Japsu | I think the authentication model of NX sucks pretty hard |
| 22:17.39 | alexey__ | also I want from KDE - a new Task Manager (like XP) ksysguard is bad/non-intuitive. |
| 22:17.46 | misha-strong | What's a good windows VNC client ? |
| 22:17.49 | Japsu | it's braindead to use a passwordless SSH public key authentication first only to do their own protocol authentication |
| 22:17.53 | Japsu | misha-strong: tightvnc |
| 22:18.03 | misha-strong | tight-thank-you |
| 22:18.05 | c0uch | misha-strong tightvnc or realvnc or ultravnc |
| 22:18.16 | misha-strong | they all for free? |
| 22:18.25 | c0uch | tight & real are, dunno about ultra |
| 22:18.41 | c0uch | well, let me correct myself: real is for personal use, small fee for business use |
| 22:18.50 | alexey__ | I use TightVNC on Windows |
| 22:18.59 | Japsu | there's a gpl version of real, too |
| 22:19.05 | Japsu | but it's only the basic functionality |
| 22:19.10 | Japsu | they've gone darkside :( |
| 22:19.12 | alexey__ | and krdc on Linux |
| 22:19.16 | misha-strong | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.29 | c0uch | check your private messages |
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| 22:19.58 | misha-strong | c0uch: how do I do that? |
| 22:20.21 | EvilGuru | misha-strong: irc client? |
| 22:20.29 | misha-strong | gaim for teh win |
| 22:20.46 | c0uch | you should have a tab or other window with my name as its title |
| 22:20.49 | matzee | re |
| 22:20.50 | Japsu | *gasp* gaim advocacy on a kde channel! HERESY! |
| 22:20.54 | Japsu | :D |
| 22:21.06 | Japsu | there is no other irc client than irssi |
| 22:21.11 | misha-strong | heh |
| 22:21.20 | qupada | Japsu: touche. irssi ftw |
| 22:21.25 | alexey__ | well, there is simply no KDE software that covers some parts... |
| 22:21.31 | misha-strong | c0uch: i know what you mean but there is no window |
| 22:21.36 | c0uch | yeah and there's no point in installing an irc app if youre only going to use it 1 or 2 times =P |
| 22:21.40 | EvilGuru | Japsu: Konversation!! |
| 22:21.49 | Japsu | EvilGuru: near, but not good enough |
| 22:22.00 | alexey__ | hmmm... Krita is very new for example and definetely can't compete on feature basis vs. GIMP |
| 22:22.04 | Japsu | tho what I'm expecting from an irc client is just what irssi offers |
| 22:22.12 | misha-strong | c0uch only ChanServ is talking to me :P |
| 22:22.23 | EvilGuru | koffice is good - but years behind everything else |
| 22:22.29 | c0uch | misha-strong - it's different for every distro, but you can run gcc -print-search-dirs to see where it is looking |
| 22:22.29 | Sho_ | Japsu: Out of curiosity, what do you lack in Konversation? |
| 22:22.43 | alexey__ | but Gnome as a Desktop & most (all?) it's apps are ugly ! |
| 22:22.43 | qupada | alexey__: krita isn't bad though, it has definate potential |
| 22:23.01 | EvilGuru | Japsu: you've done it now! |
| 22:23.05 | Japsu | Sho_: dunno exactly, it's just I keep coming back to irssi every time I try something else |
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| 22:23.13 | alexey__ | Krita isn't bad at all. For first public release - it's even good. |
| 22:23.13 | Japsu | EvilGuru: what? started a troll war? :) |
| 22:23.15 | hoaxyde | hello |
| 22:23.18 | Sho_ | Japsu: If you can put a finger on it, message me :) |
| 22:23.18 | c0uch | otherwise you could try echo $LDDPATH or $LD_LIBRARY_PATH or $LDPATH or a number of other possibilities - dont know what fedora uses |
| 22:23.33 | Sho_ | Japsu: We're pretty big irssi fans ourselves though |
| 22:23.35 | hoaxyde | how can i change the resolution of my screens ? |
| 22:23.35 | qupada | i got sick of irc/im clients with graphical interfaces, too hard to ignore when you're meant to be working |
| 22:23.36 | alexey__ | still lacks & crashes here & there, but OK for the first time. |
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| 22:23.53 | alexey__ | FFox is a GNOME software ? |
| 22:23.54 | misha-strong | c0uch: gcc doesnt list any qt! |
| 22:24.03 | Sho_ | alexey__: Yes |
| 22:24.06 | hoaxyde | i dont find the right place |
| 22:24.09 | c0uch | i know that - that's why it cant find it lol |
| 22:24.20 | Japsu | one big annoyance I experienced with some KDE irc clients (dunno which - there's too many of them) was that resizing the nick list panel in one window didn't propagate the change in the others |
| 22:24.34 | Japsu | and the multi-line input box in kopete is just plain useless |
| 22:24.42 | Sho_ | Japsu: We do that in Konversation |
| 22:24.46 | Japsu | I want a configuration switch that makes it one-line |
| 22:24.54 | Sho_ | Splitters are synced across tabs |
| 22:24.54 | EvilGuru | kopete is hardly a full blown irc client |
| 22:24.58 | misha-strong | c0uch: how do I add it? |
| 22:25.06 | Sho_ | Japsu: And our input line is single-line |
| 22:25.25 | hoaxyde | please, where can I change the screen resolutuon ?? |
| 22:25.30 | c0uch | misha-strong - just install this; http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=32454 |
| 22:25.33 | hoaxyde | resolution* |
| 22:25.37 | alexey__ | I don't understand something - why is that KDE started in 1996 in C++, while GNOME started a year later in C ? |
| 22:25.50 | Japsu | I used kopete for a while, despite its annoyances, but there was one specific evil that made me go back to irssi... It caused way too much data transfer, and I couldn't afford it because I was using an expensive-ish GPRS connection |
| 22:26.14 | c0uch | misha-strong - i've gotta run - got an emergency call from one of my clients, feel free to email me @ c0uchm0nster@gmail.com if you need more help |
| 22:26.25 | hoaxyde | it is very important, PLEASE |
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| 22:26.33 | Buddha| | Japsu - Irssi rulez |
| 22:26.34 | misha-strong | kcool, |
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| 22:26.46 | EvilGuru | hoaxyde: right click on your desktop then go to configure |
| 22:26.48 | Japsu | when they get the Jabber Jingle support in mainstream kopete, I'll reconsider though |
| 22:26.55 | Japsu | not that I'd be doing jingle over GPRS but still :) |
| 22:27.00 | DaSkreec1 | kopete is hardly a full cllient :) |
| 22:27.07 | hoaxyde | lol yes EvilGuru but i havent the resolution |
| 22:27.10 | Sho_ | Japsu: irssi is not designed to be a sophisticated IRC client |
| 22:27.12 | Japsu | kopete performs surprisingly well as an irc client |
| 22:27.35 | EvilGuru | looks too much like iChat to me |
| 22:27.38 | Sho_ | Japsu: You should give Konversation 0.19 (recently released) another try some time :-) |
| 22:27.46 | Japsu | and kopete performs better as an irc client than irssi does as a generic instant messenger |
| 22:27.57 | hoaxyde | EvilGuru, only background and options |
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| 22:28.17 | alexey__ | PEOPLE: I don't understand something - why is that KDE started in 1996 in C++, while GNOME started a year later in C ? |
| 22:28.19 | Japsu | Sho_: I might |
| 22:28.27 | qupada | Japsu: i dunno, i'm using bitlbee with irssi and i think it works fine for IM purposes |
| 22:28.42 | Sho_ | alexey__: Don't take this too serious, but probably because the Gnome guys enjoy pain :-) |
| 22:28.48 | misha-strong | " C never dies. " |
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| 22:28.55 | alexey__ | :) |
| 22:28.55 | nael | alexey__: The real question is "Why using C for oriented object code ?" |
| 22:29.02 | qupada | alexey__: gnome exists because of kde... well at least because of people getting ansty at the qt license. why they chose C, is anyone's guess |
| 22:29.08 | Sho_ | alexey__: glib is a fun way of trying to make C behave like C++ |
| 22:29.12 | hoaxyde | EvilGuru, can you help me PLEASE ? |
| 22:29.27 | EvilGuru | it is there on my version |
| 22:29.39 | EvilGuru | right click on desktop -> configure -> display |
| 22:30.11 | Japsu | I don't by any means wish to start a flame war, but I feel GPL is hurting Qt/KDE... we see all these big vendors going for GNOME and Gtk, and I'm pretty sure it isn't for technical superiority :( |
| 22:30.32 | EvilGuru | half the world is gtk |
| 22:30.46 | hoaxyde | there is not "display" EvilGuru |
| 22:30.49 | Japsu | too bad the other half isn't entirely Qt |
| 22:30.56 | EvilGuru | hoaxyde: not sure then sorry |
| 22:31.05 | EvilGuru | swt uses gtk |
| 22:31.11 | EvilGuru | so does wxWidgets |
| 22:31.14 | Japsu | yep |
| 22:31.18 | hoaxyde | thanks EvilGuru... |
| 22:31.39 | hoaxyde | DAMN I need this option |
| 22:31.43 | Japsu | and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think SWT could never use Qt because of CPL (EPL) being incompatible with GPL |
| 22:31.44 | EvilGuru | hoaxyde: if you know what you are doing then you might want to look in xorg.conf |
| 22:31.46 | Sho_ | Japsu: Try looking at it another way: Linux still only owns a miniscule part of the desktop; there is enormous growth potential. And most of the consumer-oriented Linux distributions - Xandros, Lindows, Mandriva, ... - ship KDE. |
| 22:31.47 | alexey__ | wxWidgets ? hmmm... I thought they use their own technology ... not GTK dependent ! |
| 22:31.59 | Sho_ | s/Lindows/Linspire/ |
| 22:32.00 | EvilGuru | alexey__: nope they use gtk on linux |
| 22:32.07 | Sho_ | apt: Stupid bot |
| 22:32.08 | apt | no, stupid sho_ |
| 22:32.12 | Sho_ | bah |
| 22:32.35 | alexey__ | ..SUSE :) |
| 22:32.35 | Japsu | EvilGuru, alexey__: there's multiple backends for wx on X11 |
| 22:32.39 | hoaxyde | EvilGuru, no, it is for rescue one of my two screens |
| 22:32.45 | Japsu | at least GTK and Motif |
| 22:33.03 | EvilGuru | java can emulate gtk (badly) but not qt |
| 22:33.17 | Japsu | gtk can emulate qt (badly) :) |
| 22:33.26 | Japsu | through the gtk-qt theme engine |
| 22:33.33 | alexey__ | but qt can emulate gtk too... |
| 22:33.40 | EvilGuru | equally as badly |
| 22:33.42 | Japsu | dunno though how that's license-wise possible, I might not be |
| 22:33.45 | Japsu | *it |
| 22:33.48 | alexey__ | or more correctly be inserted in the GTK apps |
| 22:33.56 | hoaxyde | it doesnt work if I power it off then I power it on, except if i change its resolution |
| 22:34.07 | Japsu | hmm |
| 22:34.12 | DaSkreec1 | Ah |
| 22:34.25 | hoaxyde | with GNOME it is very easy to change the resolution, so it is ok |
| 22:34.39 | alexey__ | with KDE it's even easier :) |
| 22:34.54 | EvilGuru | gnome apps have very few options |
| 22:34.56 | hoaxyde | but with KDE i dont find this basic option |
| 22:34.59 | alexey__ | use KRand&Rotate |
| 22:35.05 | EvilGuru | try gedit and kate |
| 22:35.11 | Japsu | hoaxyde: open the control center and type "resolution" in the search field |
| 22:35.17 | alexey__ | no ! |
| 22:35.17 | Japsu | (assuming you're using kde 3.5.x) |
| 22:35.20 | alexey__ | use KRand&Rotate ! |
| 22:35.44 | hoaxyde | i dont care about EvilGuru i just want change my screen resolution |
| 22:35.45 | alexey__ | it changes res on the fly |
| 22:35.48 | hoaxyde | Japsu, no result |
| 22:35.50 | alexey__ | like Windoz |
| 22:35.53 | Japsu | alexey__: 1) it might not be installed 2) resolution is a basic option, so you'd expect it to be located where the other basic options are |
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| 22:35.57 | Japsu | hoaxyde: waht? |
| 22:36.01 | Japsu | now this is interesting |
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| 22:36.22 | Japsu | ffs |
| 22:36.31 | hoaxyde | Japsu i have only "resources" |
| 22:36.39 | Japsu | well it's under Peripherals -> Display but I dunno what the English translation reads there |
| 22:36.46 | Japsu | it's stupid not to use the word "Resolution" there |
| 22:37.00 | hoaxyde | qorry i dotn speak a very good english |
| 22:37.05 | hoaxyde | sorry* |
| 22:37.08 | Sho_ | "Screen size" |
| 22:37.13 | hoaxyde | ok sorry |
| 22:37.15 | Japsu | I'm using the Finnish translations from SVN and mine says "Näytön koko" which translates to "Display size" |
| 22:37.18 | Japsu | Sho_: right |
| 22:37.33 | Sho_ | Japsu: Well, resolution is the wrong term |
| 22:37.52 | alexey__ | good bye |
| 22:37.52 | hoaxyde | ok but even with "size" i have not the display size |
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| 22:38.16 | Japsu | Sho_: well this is an ad populum argument but that's what most users would expect to find it under IMO |
| 22:38.57 | hoaxyde | ok so it is impossible to change the display size with KDE ?! |
| 22:39.02 | Japsu | hoaxyde: no it isn't |
| 22:39.24 | Japsu | hoaxyde: I have "Laitteet -> Näyttö -> Näytön koko", it should be "Peripherals -> Display -> Screen size" in English |
| 22:39.26 | hoaxyde | i have nothing for "display size" or "scree size" |
| 22:39.32 | hoaxyde | ok |
| 22:39.48 | Japsu | hoaxyde: okay, so clear the search field and try finding it from the settings hierarchy |
| 22:40.00 | Sho_ | Japsu: Possibly, but with an eye towards the future, this is going to get problematic as we're faced with resolution-independent UIs and displays that have resolutions ranging from 75 to 200 and more dpi; users will get to know the term "resolution" in new contects |
| 22:40.09 | Sho_ | Japsu: And at that point, "Screen size" is the better way to go |
| 22:40.16 | hoaxyde | Japsu, i havent display in the peripherals |
| 22:40.19 | Sho_ | *contexts |
| 22:40.20 | Japsu | Sho_: yeah, I get the point |
| 22:40.29 | Japsu | hoaxyde: which distro are you using? |
| 22:40.36 | hoaxyde | ubuntu |
| 22:40.40 | Japsu | right |
| 22:40.47 | hoaxyde | kde 3.5 |
| 22:40.55 | Japsu | dunno then |
| 22:41.02 | hoaxyde | (and I use KDE because i have no choice) |
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| 22:41.43 | hoaxyde | DAAAAAAMN why it is not possssssible !!!! |
| 22:41.48 | Japsu | I used kubuntu 5.10 for a while, went back to gentoo because 1) I hated the old sysvinit style init system 2) I got completely pissed off having to install dozens of packages just to compile a simple application |
| 22:42.10 | EvilGuru | never left Gentoo myself |
| 22:42.12 | Japsu | hoaxyde: the ubuntu guys have blown it, that's why (or we aren't just thinking the way they are) |
| 22:42.23 | Japsu | EvilGuru: well I kinda wanted a binary distribution for my laptop |
| 22:42.51 | EvilGuru | debian? |
| 22:42.58 | hoaxyde | dont worried, when GNOME will work again I will stop to use KDE because i cant bear it (sorry for the troll) and with gnome, ubuntu rox |
| 22:43.17 | Japsu | EvilGuru: went for kubuntu, tolerated it for a while, came back to gentoo |
| 22:43.33 | hoaxyde | but with kde & ubuntu i have problems problems and problems |
| 22:43.56 | hoaxyde | and now i have lost all my data which were on my second screen |
| 22:44.03 | Japsu | hoaxyde: that's because ubuntu's made for gnome. did you install kde some other way than "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"? |
| 22:44.19 | hoaxyde | yes |
| 22:44.36 | hoaxyde | with the repository of kde 35 |
| 22:44.44 | Japsu | hoaxyde: if you did, you probably missed most of the work the kubuntu devs have done to make kde work in ubuntu |
| 22:44.46 | hoaxyde | 3.5 |
| 22:45.01 | hoaxyde | repositorys of Kubuntu 3.5 |
| 22:45.08 | hoaxyde | so it was supposing to work |
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| 22:45.11 | hoaxyde | :/ |
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| 22:45.38 | hoaxyde | ok I have lost all my data |
| 22:45.40 | hoaxyde | very cool |
| 22:45.54 | Death_Wish | i am using KDE 3.5 and im on Gentoo and when I select a new theme it doesn't change nothing what is wrong? |
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| 22:46.13 | hoaxyde | I go to bed, bye |
| 22:46.22 | hoaxyde | thanks Japsu.... |
| 22:46.29 | EvilGuru | Death_Wish: did you click apply? |
| 22:46.42 | Death_Wish | yes |
| 22:47.11 | Death_Wish | it just updates the icons on the side but nothing else |
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| 22:47.35 | tenco | hi |
| 22:47.49 | tenco | is it possible to make hyperlinks in konsole clickable? |
| 22:48.05 | tenco | -> kde 3.5.1 |
| 22:48.18 | EvilGuru | do not think so |
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| 22:50.39 | Death_Wish | any help? |
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| 22:51.03 | DaSkreec1 | hoaxyde: If you go to #kubuntu they can point you to kubuntu-desktop |
| 22:52.17 | Japsu | Sho_: sheesh, a 5 megabyte source package... what've you put in there? :D |
| 22:52.51 | Sho_ | Japsu: A number of icon themes for the nicklist, for example ;-). And quite some code ;). |
| 22:52.54 | EvilGuru | Japsu: try open office, which is 180mb, bigger than kde, linux and x put together |
| 22:54.50 | Japsu | EvilGuru: been there, tried to do that, didn't succeed |
| 22:54.57 | Japsu | manual build of OOo 2.0, that is :) |
| 22:55.04 | EvilGuru | same |
| 22:55.28 | EvilGuru | the for some reason include their own widget toolkit |
| 22:55.36 | Death_Wish | can n e one tell me why its not working please cause i want this theme badly |
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| 22:57.52 | prolific | How can I get alt+tab to icons of the windows before switching windows to the next??? |
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| 22:59.44 | Japsu | EvilGuru: well it's legacy ex-proprietary code, what'd you expect |
| 23:00.16 | EvilGuru | it does cause open office to look weird of linux |
| 23:00.52 | Death_Wish | :'( |
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| 23:02.38 | Head | hi |
| 23:02.56 | Head | i have created four nice kde 3.5.1 screenshots |
| 23:03.09 | Head | can someone post them on http://kde.org/screenshots/ ? |
| 23:03.32 | Death_Wish | nopthing updates on kde :'( |
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| 23:04.20 | Head | Death_Wish: why? |
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| 23:04.48 | Japsu | EvilGuru: yeah, tho OOo 2.0 can (badly) mimic the look of Qt and GTK |
| 23:05.36 | EvilGuru | why they do not an just use eithe qt or gtk |
| 23:05.49 | EvilGuru | (or both) rather than trying to emulate I don't know |
| 23:05.58 | Japsu | hey, can I somehow force KDE to use another language for some applications |
| 23:06.00 | qupada | Japsu: only if you can compile it, you don't get very far trying on an amd64 system |
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| 23:06.44 | Japsu | qupada: hmm, the latest binaries I installed on gentoo had the Qt UI layer but it's really crude-looking |
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| 23:07.09 | qupada | Japsu: 2.0.2 rc1 ? |
| 23:07.20 | Japsu | but I was saying, the Finnish translations of KDevelop are currently so horrible that I can't possibly code with them |
| 23:07.30 | qupada | because 2.0.1 looks shitty and windows-like, as usual |
| 23:07.31 | Japsu | I would, though, prefer a Finnish desktop otherwise |
| 23:07.42 | Japsu | qupada: hmm wait |
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| 23:07.52 | EvilGuru | yep 2.0.1 on Gentoo looks crap |
| 23:08.41 | Japsu | 2.0.2 |
| 23:08.45 | EvilGuru | any better? |
| 23:08.52 | Japsu | but I think the older versions looked quite like this also |
| 23:08.58 | Japsu | well I can give a screenshot, wait |
| 23:09.09 | qupada | also 2.0.1 seems a lot slower than 2.0.0 |
| 23:09.23 | EvilGuru | why go to all the effort |
| 23:09.27 | neighborlee | automagic menu population will seriously break, if you allow full editing < does anyone here believe this to be true and if not why ? |
| 23:09.31 | EvilGuru | to read both gtk and qt theme files |
| 23:09.34 | qupada | latest i have in portage is 2.0.2_rc2 (not rc1, was guessing) |
| 23:10.07 | Japsu | http://www.kapsi.fi/~japsu/screenshot_openoffice2_kde.png |
| 23:10.12 | EvilGuru | best I have for openoffice-bin is 2.0.1 |
| 23:10.17 | Japsu | that doesn't give the whole truth, though |
| 23:10.22 | Japsu | the menus still look crappy |
| 23:10.46 | Japsu | tricky to get one in a screenshot though |
| 23:10.55 | EvilGuru | show it with a menu/option box open |
| 23:11.02 | EvilGuru | as in my version the tabs look crap |
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| 23:11.48 | qupada | looks better than normal, hardly an accurate representation of the qt theme in question though |
| 23:12.25 | Japsu | well the Qt theme is the usual plastik |
| 23:12.58 | EvilGuru | what the open office lot do not seem to get is that Linux is not windows |
| 23:13.05 | Japsu | http://www.kapsi.fi/~japsu/screenshot_openoffice2_kde_dialog.png |
| 23:13.05 | EvilGuru | we do not have multi-tier tab menu's |
| 23:13.06 | DietrichR | Who uses OpenOffice anymore anyway |
| 23:13.10 | DietrichR | KOffice rocks |
| 23:13.16 | Japsu | DietrichR: no it doesn't :( |
| 23:13.26 | EvilGuru | koffice is por |
| 23:13.28 | EvilGuru | *poor |
| 23:13.29 | Japsu | KOffice is IMO still unusable when it comes to doing real work |
| 23:13.38 | EvilGuru | Japsu: yep agreed |
| 23:13.45 | Japsu | it has lots of potential, but it just isn't there yet |
| 23:13.57 | EvilGuru | given a couple of years of work |
| 23:14.02 | Japsu | yeah |
| 23:14.08 | Japsu | it does have lots of merit though |
| 23:14.10 | EvilGuru | I was doing a letter the other day |
| 23:14.17 | EvilGuru | and found koffice so darn hard to use |
| 23:14.23 | EvilGuru | creating my own styles etc |
| 23:14.24 | Japsu | kword starts in a fraction of the time oowriter2 takes to start |
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| 23:14.33 | EvilGuru | so I said fsck this I am off to open office |
| 23:14.47 | stodge | Does KDE have a program like gnomemeeting? |
| 23:14.49 | EvilGuru | and it is small |
| 23:14.53 | Head | nobody here who can upload screenshots to http://kde.org/screenshots/ ? |
| 23:15.18 | EvilGuru | seems as if the devs for koffice are putting a lot into krita and the other parts of the suite |
| 23:15.26 | Japsu | stodge: well most of KDE's IM capabilities are shoved in Kopete, but it doesn't have a good VoIP/Internet conferencing functionality yet |
| 23:15.38 | stodge | What about the video conferencing side? |
| 23:15.45 | Japsu | forget it |
| 23:15.48 | stodge | Damn |
| 23:15.49 | Japsu | stick with gnome-meeting for now |
| 23:15.58 | stodge | I'm currently gnome free |
| 23:16.16 | EvilGuru | everything I have come to love uses gnome |
| 23:16.25 | Japsu | jabber jingle is coming to kopete but it might take a little while |
| 23:16.35 | Japsu | and it does not support video nor multiuser calls yet |
| 23:17.06 | Japsu | and hmm, they have two jabber implementations in svn kopete now iirc |
| 23:17.22 | Japsu | one using google libjingle, and one with the existing KDE jabber code |
| 23:17.32 | Japsu | which is bad |
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| 23:18.11 | japsu_ | hmm |
| 23:18.14 | Deaths_Wish | can someone tell me why kde won't load on my user account but only on my root account? |
| 23:18.17 | japsu_ | using konversation now |
| 23:18.20 | japsu_ | not bad |
| 23:18.27 | Sho_ | Japsu: :-) |
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| 23:20.06 | thrice` | any way to improve KDM's fonts? |
| 23:20.17 | japsu_ | thrice`: set them in kcontrol |
| 23:20.40 | thrice` | KDM is not using anti-aliasing for some reason |
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| 23:21.26 | thrice` | nevermind, heh |
| 23:21.28 | japsu_ | Sho_: aargh |
| 23:21.41 | japsu_ | Sho_: what about color themes |
| 23:22.03 | Sho_ | japsu_: You can modify the colors - themes are not in yet. |
| 23:22.23 | japsu_ | Sho_: I can see that |
| 23:22.43 | Sho_ | japsu_: It's on the roadmap |
| 23:23.17 | EvilGuru | any plans for xchat style column layouts? |
| 23:23.24 | EvilGuru | <nicks> | <message> |
| 23:23.45 | Sho_ | EvilGuru: Yes |
| 23:24.27 | japsu_ | hmm |
| 23:24.46 | Sho_ | EvilGuru: Will be some time though, since it requires a new ircview widget |
| 23:25.46 | Buddha| | EvilGuru: you mean where all the messages are lined up? |
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| 23:26.19 | Sho_ | Buddha|: Yup, that's what he means |
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| 23:27.11 | mboso | i set Alt+F1 as a shortcut to open xterm. when I press Alt+F1, xterm starts up, but when I close it, I get a KedInit error that says, cannot open applicaton 'xterm' |
| 23:27.18 | mboso | anyone know what that is about? |
| 23:27.42 | Japsu_ | and konversation is yet another app which I'd like to force to be run with English texts |
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| 23:27.52 | Japsu_ | the Finnish translation is just incomplete |
| 23:27.58 | Japsu_ | I might be able to help with that though :) |
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| 23:28.09 | Sho_ | Japsu_: You can do that by setting the environment variable KDE_LANG |
| 23:28.17 | Japsu_ | cool |
| 23:28.22 | Japsu_ | tried LC_ALL, didn't work |
| 23:28.30 | Sho_ | i.e. KDE_LANG="en" konversation |
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| 23:28.33 | Sho_ | or en_US |
| 23:28.34 | Japsu_ | what's the syntax, the en_US style language code? |
| 23:28.34 | Sho_ | not sure :) |
| 23:28.35 | Japsu_ | okay |
| 23:28.37 | Sho_ | Japsu_: We'd certainly appreciate any translation work :) |
| 23:28.45 | pinotree | Sho_: not en |
| 23:28.54 | pinotree | KDE_LANG=en_US konversation |
| 23:29.04 | Japsu_ | Sho_: yeah, I've contributed to Konsole, JuK and KMail, might as well do Konversation |
| 23:29.10 | Sho_ | pinotree: yup, thanks |
| 23:29.19 | Sho_ | Japsu_: :) |
| 23:29.20 | Japsu_ | brb |
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| 23:32.07 | Japsu_ | hmm |
| 23:32.45 | Japsu_ | using a black background in a GUI application somehow disturbs me |
| 23:32.59 | Japsu_ | tho I'd never IRC on white background either :) |
| 23:33.01 | EvilGuru | also are there any plans for integration with kspell in konversation |
| 23:33.16 | Sho_ | EvilGuru: It already is |
| 23:33.21 | Sho_ | EvilGuru: Right-click the input line |
| 23:33.29 | EvilGuru | ooh, so there is |
| 23:33.37 | Japsu_ | who wants to use mouse when ircing? |
| 23:33.40 | Japsu_ | I don't |
| 23:34.00 | EvilGuru | once auto spell checking is on it's fine |
| 23:38.55 | Japsu_ | not bad, I could definitively live with konversation |
| 23:38.59 | Japsu_ | it's just... not irssi :) |
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| 23:40.28 | Buddha| | Why does KDE come with three IRC clients, anyway? |
| 23:40.50 | pinotree | Buddha|: why? |
| 23:41.05 | pinotree | Buddha|: the kdenetwork module comes with only ksirc |
| 23:41.18 | pinotree | the other are distro-extra-"default" |
| 23:41.33 | Buddha| | I have Konversation, Ksirc, and Kvirc |
| 23:41.36 | Japsu_ | ksirc, kvirc, konversation, kopete |
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| 23:42.32 | DietrichR | Konversation is perfect for IRC, and Kopete (esp 0.12 alpha) is perfect for everything else |
| 23:42.37 | Japsu_ | lots of duplicate effort, but I guess it's unavoidable |
| 23:43.53 | Sho_ | Well, Kopete is not designed to be a sophisticated IRC client, Ksirc appears not to see any further development, and KVirc is not really a KDE app |
| 23:44.50 | mobtek | go konvi! |
| 23:44.53 | mobtek | wooooo! |
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| 23:48.27 | mobtek | hehe |
| 23:49.18 | _damian | hallo |
| 23:49.25 | positivo | e ai |
| 23:49.26 | Japsu_ | hi. |
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| 23:57.18 | Japsu | hmm |
| 23:57.21 | Japsu | I've been using irssi for about three years now and it took me this long to find irssi-proxy |
| 23:58.37 | Japsu | wonder how much data transfer this causes if I do it over ssh -C |
