irclog2html for #kde on 20060216

`00:00.03`	`vsingh`	`lawl`
`00:00.03`	`THX_8311`	`That's from dust.`
`00:00.13`	`vsingh`	`that's why theres a such thing as a fridge`
`00:00.23`	`THX_8311`	`Water doesn't go bad but the air is dirty. Get an air filter.`
`00:00.29`	`vsingh`	`or a fridge`
`00:00.31`	`EvilGuru`	`then I have to go downstairs`
`00:00.33`	`enx`	`Is there a way to change the backround colour of konqueror(I am mostly interested for the web profile) ? I cannot find anything under Settings/Configure konqueror :: Any ideas ?`
`00:00.36`	`vsingh`	`MINI fridge`
`00:00.47`	`vsingh`	`ur LAAZZZY u kno that dont u?`
`00:01.00`	`EvilGuru`	`yep`
`00:01.01`	`vsingh`	`jk`
`00:01.13`	`THX_8311`	`Mini fridges are cool.`
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`00:01.21`	`vsingh`	`yah did u see the one on thinkgeek?`
`00:01.23`	`THX_8311`	`I want one with a combination lock.`
`00:01.30`	`vsingh`	`why`
`00:01.32`	`THX_8311`	`No I haven't.`
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`00:01.34`	`vsingh`	`just throw a padlock on there :D`
`00:01.50`	`THX_8311`	`So I can lock stuff up and people keep their filthy hands on my stuff.`
`00:01.55`	`vsingh`	`exactly`
`00:02.00`	`vsingh`	`a padlock is a great idea`
`00:02.00`	`vsingh`	`or`
`00:02.04`	`THX_8311`	`Cool.`
`00:02.19`	`vsingh`	`u could take one of those 50-yr-old safes with like 3 key locks and turn that into a minifridge`
`00:02.22`	`vsingh`	`it'd be HEAVY tho`
`00:02.22`	`EvilGuru`	`you know what really annoys me?`
`00:02.25`	`vsingh`	`wat?`
`00:02.27`	`vsingh`	`me?`
`00:02.28`	`vsingh`	`lol`
`00:02.33`	`THX_8311`	`LMFAO!`
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`00:02.42`	`EvilGuru`	`people who go on about how crappy windows is`
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`00:02.46`	`vsingh`	`yah`
`00:02.51`	`EvilGuru`	`and how they hate bill gates`
`00:02.58`	`vsingh`	`bill gates is acutally a good guy`
`00:03.03`	`THX_8311`	`I'd rather go on of how great Linux is then how crappy windows is.`
`00:03.05`	`EvilGuru`	`and how amazing Linux is, without ever having used Linux in their lives`
`00:03.07`	`vsingh`	`and xp is a solid os`
`00:03.20`	`EvilGuru`	`just because they have had a problem with windows`
`00:03.23`	`THX_8311`	`Some asshole came in my room and kept telling me how Linux sucks just to annoy me.`
`00:03.28`	`vsingh`	`hey man`
`00:03.32`	`vsingh`	`all os's have their pitfalls`
`00:03.43`	`vsingh`	`think how much code an os has seriously`
`00:03.48`	`vsingh`	`theres alot of room for error`
`00:04.02`	`vsingh`	`then lets say in a program that displays "hello world" on the screen`
`00:04.07`	`vsingh`	`than*`
`00:04.15`	`EvilGuru`	`apart from hardware support Windiows has few advantages over linux`
`00:04.24`	`EvilGuru`	`hmmm, ok`
`00:04.24`	`vsingh`	`GAMING!!!!!`
`00:04.27`	`THX_8311`	`I get tired of explain to a lot of pricks that just because some KDE app does something you don't like doesn't mean "Linux" sucks.`
`00:04.34`	`EvilGuru`	`#include <stdio.h>`
`00:04.43`	`vsingh`	`yah theres fluxbox, gnome, and xfce too`
`00:04.48`	`EvilGuru`	`int main () { printf("Hello World"); }`
`00:04.53`	`vsingh`	`yah yah i kno`
`00:04.56`	`vsingh`	`done it before`
`00:04.57`	`THX_8311`	`I try telling them that then they get confused.`
`00:04.59`	`EvilGuru`	`not much room for error`
`00:05.04`	`vsingh`	`exactly`
`00:05.09`	`EvilGuru`	`I always get flamed for this view`
`00:05.18`	`vsingh`	`same here`
`00:05.19`	`EvilGuru`	`but Linux is not for normal users`
`00:05.23`	`vsingh`	`no it isnt`
`00:05.26`	`EvilGuru`	`and should not be marketed as so`
`00:05.27`	`vsingh`	`its for us ubergeeks`
`00:05.31`	`EvilGuru`	`so many distros`
`00:05.33`	`vsingh`	`it should stay that way`
`00:05.36`	`EvilGuru`	`try to cover it up`
`00:06.25`	`THX_8311`	`I hope not, I take great price in not being "normal".`
`00:06.25`	`EvilGuru`	`and make it look atll friendly`
`00:06.25`	`vsingh`	`have u used xandros`
`00:06.25`	`EvilGuru`	`until X.org does not start`
`00:06.26`	`vsingh`	`its one of the easiest distros to use`
`00:06.26`	`vsingh`	`along with mandriva`
`00:06.26`	`THX_8311`	`pride...`
`00:06.26`	`EvilGuru`	`then they have no idea what to do`
`00:06.27`	`EvilGuru`	`Linux is different from windows, and trying to make it look like windows is not the answer`
`00:06.30`	`EvilGuru`	`as they does not promote learning`
`00:06.32`	`vsingh`	`or mac`
`00:06.32`	`THX_8311`	`I like SUSE 10, I'm so damn lazy.`
`00:06.40`	`vsingh`	`i like gentoo and fc`
`00:06.48`	`vsingh`	`especially gentoo`
`00:06.50`	`EvilGuru`	`OS X, while it looks n00by at first is UNIX at hearty`
`00:06.55`	`vsingh`	`ooooh yah`
`00:06.56`	`EvilGuru`	`Gentoo user here`
`00:07.01`	`vsingh`	`yep here too`
`00:07.11`	`vsingh`	`but i have to use fedora for the diskless stuff`
`00:07.18`	`vsingh`	`so gentoo is on my 3gig ata33 hd right now`
`00:07.18`	`THX_8311`	`They all pretty much have the same software but I really like YAST. I hate doing shit in the CLI. Call me lazy.`
`00:07.19`	`EvilGuru`	`OS X on my iBook, Linux on most of my desktops`
`00:07.24`	`EvilGuru`	`and OpenBSD on my server`
`00:07.27`	`vsingh`	`ncie`
`00:07.28`	`vsingh`	`nice*`
`00:07.46`	`EvilGuru`	`Open/NetBSD on the desktop do not go`
`00:07.52`	`vsingh`	`k guys back to my diskless stuff`
`00:07.53`	`EvilGuru`	`they really fsck around with packages`
`00:07.56`	`EvilGuru`	`ok back to it`
`00:07.57`	`THX_8311`	`I actually thought of trying FreeBSD once.`
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`00:08.05`	`Unity`	`o run kde without io slaves?`
`00:08.18`	`Unity`	`i mean, is there a way to run kde without io slaves?`
`00:08.21`	`vsingh`	`the thing with ltsp is that it creates a separate root directory for the client in /opt/ltsp/i386`
`00:08.30`	`vsingh`	`or rather, client(s)`
`00:08.30`	`THX_8311`	`I tried Ubuntu and Kubuntu once but I didn't like them much.`
`00:08.35`	`vsingh`	`me either`
`00:08.42`	`smileaf`	`Unity: how do you expect kde to access files then?`
`00:08.55`	`vsingh`	`yah lawl`
`00:09.10`	`EvilGuru`	`ubuntu was not bad, but it was and still is bloated`
`00:09.17`	`Unity`	`smileaf: gnome runs without io slaves...`
`00:09.22`	`THX_8311`	`It takes fucking ever to install.`
`00:09.27`	`EvilGuru`	`gnome vfs?`
`00:09.27`	`vsingh`	`so does kde`
`00:09.36`	`THX_8311`	`I mean Ubuntu.`
`00:09.41`	`Unity`	`smileaf: can't kde apps just read off the disk instead of off io slave processes?`
`00:09.43`	`EvilGuru`	`try Gentoo :p`
`00:09.53`	`EvilGuru`	`they probably could`
`00:09.54`	`smileaf`	`Unity: KDE uses kioslaves for network transparency. it kinda requires them to a degree.`
`00:10.07`	`EvilGuru`	`like I could teach my dog to wake my up whenever I went to sleep`
`00:10.13`	`EvilGuru`	`sure you could do it, but why would you want to`
`00:10.16`	`EvilGuru`	`it is just plain stupid`
`00:10.20`	`THX_8311`	`I kind of stopped using Red Hat sense 5.2. I had also tried Mandrake 7.1 back in the day.`
`00:10.20`	`smileaf`	`Unity: such as the file ioslave?`
`00:10.31`	`EvilGuru`	`kioslaves provides abstraction`
`00:10.33`	`Unity`	`smileaf: the problem with it is that it locks up mounts and i am unable to umount them sometimes`
`00:10.54`	`smileaf`	`Unity: I'd file a bug then.`
`00:11.14`	`Unity`	`smileaf: it's a well known bug and i doubt their gonna fix it any time soon`
`00:11.39`	`Unity`	`smileaf: when a samba server dies, the smb slave continues trying to access the server until you stop kde`
`00:11.54`	`Unity`	`smileaf: assuming that the smb share is mounted`
`00:11.59`	`EvilGuru`	`what samba version`
`00:12.01`	`smileaf`	`that's not exactly a bug that's easy to fix....`
`00:12.24`	`EvilGuru`	`as I have all of my music on a samba share and it has never given me any trouble`
`00:12.25`	`smileaf`	`have you ever tried to do an ls in a mounted samba dir?`
`00:12.31`	`smileaf`	`it'll give you the exact same issue.`
`00:12.51`	`smileaf`	`and it doesn't stop trying very easily`
`00:13.00`	`smileaf`	`it's a kernel issue...`
`00:13.14`	`EvilGuru`	`kill -9 has its uses`
`00:13.26`	`smileaf`	`EvilGuru: not if it has a certain status....`
`00:13.51`	`EvilGuru`	`or as root just send it the seg fault signal`
`00:13.55`	`smileaf`	`I forget what status it is but it cannot and will not be able to be stopped until that status on the process goes away`
`00:13.55`	`Unity`	`smileaf: i thought disabling the io slaves would be an easier fix than a kernel fix or a samba fix`
`00:14.05`	`EvilGuru`	`zombie process?`
`00:14.10`	`smileaf`	`no`
`00:14.11`	`Unity`	`smileaf: you think #samba would be able to provide any help?`
`00:14.15`	`smileaf`	`it has to do with IO.`
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`00:14.17`	`EvilGuru`	`yep`
`00:14.30`	`EvilGuru`	`try out the samba lt`
`00:14.35`	`EvilGuru`	`they know more about it than us`
`00:14.45`	`Unity`	`what is lt stand for+`
`00:14.53`	`EvilGuru`	`unless there is a samba dev her who hiis keeping his mouth shut`
`00:15.58`	`smileaf`	`Unity: so in short tho.. a bug like that isn't something KDE devs can really fix... the kernel first must be fixed right.. then everything else can be.`
`00:17.01`	`smileaf`	`I hate it as much as you.. when I found out about it I had to wait around 45 minutes so I could eject my CD.`
`00:17.07`	`vsingh`	`cya later`
`00:17.09`	`vsingh`	`i gtg`
`00:17.10`	`Unity`	`smileaf: would you happen to know which proccesses to kill before i can umount the samba share?`
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`00:17.41`	`smileaf`	`Unity: is it saying it's busy?`
`00:17.50`	`smileaf`	`Unity: try a lsof /path/to/share/mount`
`00:17.52`	`Unity`	`smileaf: yes`
`00:18.06`	`Unity`	`smileaf: and kill all those processes, right?`
`00:18.06`	`sylvian00`	`What does it mean when Kmail tells me SMTP: 501 ?`
`00:18.11`	`smileaf`	`that'll give you the pid of the process that's using the share.`
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`00:18.41`	`smileaf`	`if it errors out saying it can't be read.. then you got the problem I was just describing.`
`00:18.58`	`drivamgr2006`	`sylvian00: 501 I believe is Refused by Host, I am not 100% sure... lemme check`
`00:19.33`	`smileaf`	`I think you can kill the smb_mount process.. and then try to umount it. maybe even do a -f on it.`
`00:19.33`	`drivamgr2006`	`501 is invalid domain name or addess - so it may be your email is not set up right`
`00:20.04`	`Unity`	`smileaf: ok thanks i will try that when the server dies`
`00:20.43`	`sylvian00`	`Okey, so what part of it? The pop or the smtp one? Smtp I take it, but that worked fine yeasterday`
`00:20.43`	`EvilGuru`	`I need to re-compile all of koffice`
`00:20.56`	`drivamgr2006`	`sylvian00: It may also mean that you are not correctly configured for the server to act as a mail relay`
`00:21.02`	`smileaf`	`Unity: if it happens alot try using cifs. I've been having a lot more luck with that than smbfs.`
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`00:21.13`	`smileaf`	`Unity: wait.. your not mounting it are you?`
`00:21.15`	`*** part/#kde omp (n=omp@unaffilliated/omp)`
`00:21.29`	`smileaf`	`Unity: your just doing a smb:/ ?`
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`00:22.21`	`omp`	`is there a way to set it so while i drag a window in kwin, if i scroll with the scrollwheel on my mouse, it would move the window to another virtual desktop?`
`00:22.24`	`omp`	`like in openbox`
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`00:30.31`	`sylvian00`	`drivamgr2006: Okey, I just tried sending a mail from my thunderbirdclient which is set up proerly and it worked. Now I migrated all of it to Kmail and the smtp-sending isen't working.`
`00:30.49`	`sylvian00`	`How do you respond to a specific person btw?`
`00:31.01`	`smileaf`	`sylvian00: like this?`
`00:31.01`	`drivamgr2006`	`In channel, you mean>`
`00:31.09`	`sylvian00`	`yeah like that`
`00:31.18`	`drivamgr2006`	`start to type their name, then press the tab key on your keyboard`
`00:31.21`	`smileaf`	`most irc clients has tab completion.`
`00:31.32`	`drivamgr2006`	`it should complete their name, or give you a list of users close to it`
`00:31.50`	`sylvian00`	`That simple huh? I knew I shouldn't have to mess with msg. ;-)`
`00:31.55`	`sylvian00`	`Thanks.`
`00:32.09`	`drivamgr2006`	`I could for example, just type sylv, and press tab, it would complete to sylvian00:`
`00:32.16`	`sylvian00`	`drivamgr2006: cool`
`00:32.21`	`drivamgr2006`	`got it`
`00:32.26`	`sylvian00`	`drivamgr2006: yeah`
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`00:32.53`	`drivamgr2006`	`sylvian00: you are welcome.`
`00:32.55`	`sylvian00`	`drivamgr2006: but my problem with kmail is still here. What settings could mess up my smtp sending?`
`00:33.11`	`drivamgr2006`	`one moment, back in a sec - urgent in another channel`
`00:33.23`	`sylvian00`	`drivamgr2006: sure, take your time`
`00:33.38`	`X2`	`bye guys`
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`00:37.42`	`lgsobalvarro`	`hello`
`00:37.50`	`smileaf`	`hi`
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`00:38.49`	`drivamgr2006`	`sorry about that, Sylvian`
`00:39.25`	`drivamgr2006`	`back and ready now`
`00:40.20`	`Sylvian`	`drivamgr2006: Don't worry, it's you helping me out here. i am the one being grateful ;-)`
`00:40.30`	`drivamgr2006`	`So you still can't send squat with kmail... the first thing you need to check is that you have spelled the name of your smtp server correctly...`
`00:40.44`	`drivamgr2006`	`i know its stating the obvious, but you always look at the minor things first!`
`00:41.04`	`Sylvian`	`Done that, Iäve copied my settings drom Thunderbird. I'll double check it.`
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`00:41.43`	`Unity`	`what command can i issue to startx with kde in it, if my default desktop is gnome?`
`00:41.50`	`Sylvian`	`The name of the smtp-account has nothing to do with the sending itself?`
`00:41.59`	`lgsobalvarro`	`Unity: distribution?`
`00:42.07`	`Unity`	`lgsobalvarro: ubuntu`
`00:42.08`	`drivamgr2006`	`no, just the way the smtp server is entered, Sylvian`
`00:42.10`	`Sylvian`	`Unity: do you mean like startkde?`
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`00:42.46`	`Unity`	`Sylvian: it complains that $DISPLAY is not set`
`00:42.51`	`Sylvian`	`drivamgr2006: Okey, so host and port is correct.`
`00:43.21`	`Sylvian`	`Unity: Hm, don't think I can help you out there, I'm as clueless as you are ;-) Sorry!`
`00:43.21`	`drivamgr2006`	`does your SMTP server require SSA? (Secure server authentication)?`
`00:44.16`	`Sylvian`	`drivamgr2006: Never used that with Thunderbird and I use Kmail to check what the server requires. it just requires plain authentication`
`00:44.37`	`drivamgr2006`	`hmm`
`00:45.00`	`drivamgr2006`	`You have entered the username and password for your email account?`
`00:45.07`	`Sylvian`	`I've doublechecked username and password.`
`00:45.13`	`Unity`	Sylvian: someone else has pointed me to the solution: it was xinit -- :1 then `startkde` in the xterm
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`00:45.39`	`Sylvian`	`Unity: Aha, good for you and good to know! Thansk!`
`00:45.46`	`drivamgr2006`	`and you still cannot send mail, Sylvian? You are getting the 501 message from the server?`
`00:46.05`	`Sylvian`	`drivamgr2006: Yes. i think i's very odd.`
`00:46.10`	`drivamgr2006`	`So do I.`
`00:46.15`	`smileaf`	`Unity: kinda odd that the DISPLAY isn't set.`
`00:46.21`	`drivamgr2006`	`Who is your mail provider, and which country?`
`00:46.43`	`Unity`	`smileaf: i was doing it in a console window, so not really`
`00:46.52`	`smileaf`	`Unity: ssh?`
`00:46.57`	`drivamgr2006`	`Is it your isp mail service, Sylvian?`
`00:47.01`	`Unity`	`smileaf: not console window, just console`
`00:47.03`	`Sylvian`	`My mail provider is Skanova, Sweden. Using smtpauth.swip.net`
`00:47.16`	`Unity`	`smileaf: like tty1 or something`
`00:47.16`	`smileaf`	`Unity: well that really even shouldn't matter ;)`
`00:47.19`	`Sylvian`	`Yes, it's my isp mail`
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`00:47.42`	`drivamgr2006`	`let me just telnet onto that client and see if I can HELO it`
`00:47.52`	`smileaf`	`export DISPLAY=:0.0; startkde <-- that work?`
`00:48.01`	`Sylvian`	`drivamgr2006: Thanks alot for all your help.`
`00:48.59`	`drivamgr2006`	`I sent HELO to that server, and its requesting domain name qualification, prior to a HELO being issued....`
`00:49.17`	`drivamgr2006`	`HELO`
`00:49.17`	`drivamgr2006`	`250 mailfe08.swip.net domain name should be qualified`
`00:49.18`	`Ze_M`	`export LC_ALL=c doesnt put in englisg?`
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`00:49.50`	`Unity`	`smileaf: after a while, it says unable to open display :2`
`00:50.10`	`smileaf`	`Unity: you ran that while X was still running ?`
`00:50.17`	`Sylvian`	`drivamgr2006: And that would mean? Excuse me igorance.`
`00:50.24`	`Unity`	`smileaf: i think i need an xserver running there before kdestart can do anything, and i don't want to start kde on my current X`
`00:50.39`	`smileaf`	`ah`
`00:50.44`	`smileaf`	`Ok :)`
`00:50.45`	`Unity`	`smileaf: right now, i'm running gnome on one X and kde on another`
`00:50.53`	`Unity`	`i'm so badass`
`00:50.59`	`smileaf`	`lol`
`00:51.11`	`drivamgr2006`	`Its saying it doesnt recognise the server the HELO is coming from, so that would suggest to me it may be worth trying to secure the connection`
`00:51.28`	`smileaf`	`I'm just running 1 X :P`
`00:51.39`	`jebstark_`	`hello. I'm using amarok and I like it alot - but sometimes it behaves strange. like; some mp3s that play perfectly in xmms or any other player don't play at all in amarok.... how can this be?`
`00:51.45`	`smileaf`	`tho I'm chroot'ed into a system :)`
`00:51.45`	`drivamgr2006`	`Sylvian: It should use SSA for connection!`
`00:51.50`	`Unity`	`oops i killed the xterm and the x server went down with it!`
`00:51.52`	`drivamgr2006`	`It may be worth doing that`
`00:52.00`	`Sylvian`	`drivamgr2006: right I'll try that`
`00:52.11`	`drivamgr2006`	`Look Sylvian :`
`00:52.14`	`drivamgr2006`	`AUTH`
`00:52.14`	`drivamgr2006`	`535 (570) unknown SASL method`
`00:52.23`	`smileaf`	`Unity: xinit /path/to/startkde -- :1`
`00:52.27`	`drivamgr2006`	`I asked it to authorise me, and it can't`
`00:53.08`	`Sylvian`	`drivamgr2006: Okey, so that means it must have some other sort of authentication=?`
`00:53.16`	`Sylvian`	`I understand...`
`00:53.34`	`drivamgr2006`	`possible. Thats why I suggested you just try it, secured`
`00:53.39`	`Unity`	`smileaf: same problem, but no big deal. i don't mind an xterm floating around`
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`00:54.03`	`smileaf`	`Unity: another option would be to edit your ~/.xinitrc`
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`00:55.04`	`Sylvian`	`drivamgr2006: Sorry if I'm being stupid, but which of the stated methods of authentication would be SSA?`
`00:55.21`	`drivamgr2006`	`Which ways do you have listed?`
`00:55.29`	`Unity`	`smileaf: thx for all your help. ttyl`
`00:55.46`	`Sylvian`	`I'm having Login, Plain, Cram-md, Digest-md5, NTLM, GSSAPI`
`00:56.10`	`Sylvian`	`*i have and Cram-md5`
`00:56.37`	`drivamgr2006`	`you are currently on Plain?`
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`00:57.02`	`Sylvian`	`Yes, i'm currently on plain. I've tried login too.`
`00:57.13`	`drivamgr2006`	`hmmmm...`
`00:57.29`	`Sylvian`	`When I click the button "check what server supports", the only method listed i Plain.`
`00:57.43`	`drivamgr2006`	`Then I am shot - AUTH to the server, and EHLO, suggest authentication methods as LOGIN or PLAIN`
`00:58.17`	`drivamgr2006`	`Sylvian: do you have konqueror there as a web browser?`
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`00:58.44`	`Sylvian`	`Yes, of course. The best browser around!`
`00:58.45`	`Andy5201987`	`Hi`
`00:58.50`	`Andy5201987`	`My name is Andy`
`00:58.51`	`drivamgr2006`	`lemme show you what I get back in just a sec...`
`00:59.01`	`Sylvian`	`drivamgr2006: Okey...`
`00:59.01`	`drivamgr2006`	`one mo pls Sylvian`
`00:59.03`	`Andy5201987`	`I'm currently in #kopete and #xandros's IRCs`
`00:59.13`	`Andy5201987`	`and I'm not getting anywhere right now`
`00:59.21`	`Andy5201987`	`I'm having a prob re:kopete`
`00:59.36`	`smileaf`	`what's wrong with kopete?`
`00:59.38`	`Andy5201987`	`I am currently using kopete v.0.10.3`
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`00:59.46`	`Andy5201987`	`xandros v.3.0.2`
`00:59.51`	`Andy5201987`	`and kde v3.3.0`
`00:59.57`	`Andy5201987`	`and can't get emoticons`
`01:00.11`	`drivamgr2006`	`Sylvian: saying EHLO to the server gave me this back`
`01:00.12`	`smileaf`	`Andy5201987: should try to upgrade to a newer one :)`
`01:00.14`	`drivamgr2006`	`250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN`
`01:00.20`	`smileaf`	`Andy5201987: kde 3.5.1 is out.`
`01:00.39`	`Andy5201987`	`yea but I couldn't even install kde 3.3.2 w/o messing up the system`
`01:00.49`	`drivamgr2006`	`Andy5201987: what distro?`
`01:00.53`	`smileaf`	`Andy5201987: and kopete is awesome.. the kde 3.3 kopete sucks compared to this :)`
`01:00.54`	`Andy5201987`	`even upgrading kdm by itself messes up the system`
`01:00.57`	`Sylvian`	`drivamgr2006: Yeah, that just confirms what I already knew right? That I'm supposed to use either plain or login?`
`01:01.10`	`Andy5201987`	`I'm using xandros v.3.0.2`
`01:01.15`	`drivamgr2006`	`yep... but as you say, the server only says to use Plain, Sylvian`
`01:01.16`	`smileaf`	`Andy5201987: if you upgrade kde.. you upgrade all of it ;)`
`01:01.45`	`Andy5201987`	`do you at least know where I can get a newever .deb package of kopete?`
`01:01.54`	`Andy5201987`	`I have v.0.10.3 right now`
`01:01.57`	`drivamgr2006`	`what is your cli installer on there? do you use urpmi, apt-get, or what?`
`01:02.02`	`Sylvian`	`Crap, what could be wrong? The strange thing is that sending throught the same smtpserver works fine in Thunderbird.`
`01:02.08`	`Andy5201987`	`I use apt-get`
`01:02.23`	`drivamgr2006`	`Sylvian: I have to say, I am honestly and totally lost.`
`01:02.25`	`drivamgr2006`	`:(`
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`01:02.50`	`Sylvian`	`drivamgr2006: Okey, thanks anyway. Your help has been priceless.`
`01:02.52`	`drivamgr2006`	`I haven't a clue. I have communicated with the server using manual commands and I can see nothing wrong their end.`
`01:03.06`	`drivamgr2006`	`Befor eyou go Sylvian , try this.`
`01:03.12`	`drivamgr2006`	`^^^before you go`
`01:03.14`	`Andy5201987`	`I don't mind not having the emoticons, but I would like to have a later version of kopete IM`
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`01:03.55`	`drivamgr2006`	`Sylvian: open Konqueror, and in the address bar, type: telnet://smtpauth.swip.net:25`
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`01:04.32`	`drivamgr2006`	`Sylvian: once in there, type HELO and see if it authorises you`
`01:04.36`	`Sylvian`	`drivamgr2006: doing that right now`
`01:05.25`	`Andy5201987`	`does anyone know where I can get the latest deb package of kopete IM`
`01:05.28`	`Sylvian`	`250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN`
`01:05.35`	`Sylvian`	`Looks very right to me...`
`01:06.01`	`drivamgr2006`	`Did it ask you for a qualified domain when you said HELO to it?`
`01:06.15`	`Sylvian`	`Yes.`
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`01:06.28`	`drivamgr2006`	`hmm.... there maybe something wrong then.`
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`01:06.38`	`drivamgr2006`	`Try this: AUTH`
`01:06.50`	`smileaf`	`214-Copyright (c) 1995-2005, Stalker Software, Inc.`
`01:06.52`	`Sylvian`	`I was wondering, what does this "Preset Domain" mean in the settings for smtp in kmail?`
`01:06.55`	`smileaf`	`nice software company name`
`01:07.00`	`Sylvian`	`trying auth`
`01:07.21`	`drivamgr2006`	`may authorise you or say: Unknown SASL method`
`01:07.37`	`smileaf`	`AUTH PLAIN <-- I think might work a bit better ;)`
`01:07.58`	`drivamgr2006`	`sorry smileaf - I have been awake for 3 days and my brain is asleep.`
`01:08.02`	`drivamgr2006`	`Thanks for the advice!`
`01:08.10`	`smileaf`	`awake for 3 days?`
`01:08.13`	`drivamgr2006`	`yes`
`01:08.19`	`drivamgr2006`	`75 hours`
`01:08.24`	`smileaf`	`geez..`
`01:08.25`	`drivamgr2006`	`3 days, 3 hours`
`01:08.41`	`Sylvian`	`Neither is giving me much love. Or perhaps my connection is too slow or something but neither gives me anything.`
`01:08.45`	`drivamgr2006`	`I am a chronic insomniac`
`01:09.10`	`smileaf`	`Sylvian: well if you type something in wrong it tells me: 535 SASL parameters are incorrect`
`01:09.20`	`Sylvian`	`drivamgr2006: Don't they have some medicine for that or something?`
`01:09.37`	`drivamgr2006`	`I can't use it, since I am also epileptic`
`01:10.20`	`drivamgr2006`	`Its kind of catch 22. Lack of sleep causes me to have seizures, but if I use the medication to help me sleep, it affects what I take for the epilepsy`
`01:11.00`	`Sylvian`	`doublewhammy. Tough luck. I can't say I envy you...`
`01:11.23`	`drivamgr2006`	`Its what we know in the trade as "a right sod"!`
`01:11.26`	`drivamgr2006`	`:)`
`01:11.34`	`Andy5201987`	`[b] Does anyone here know where I can get a .deb package of kopete IM that is later than kopete v.0.10.3 [/b]`
`01:11.50`	`Sylvian`	`You know what they say: Always look on the bright side of life!`
`01:11.58`	`annma`	`look at debian.org, package section`
`01:12.04`	`Sylvian`	`And then they whistle and go on an on like that. Very amusing.`
`01:12.06`	`Andy5201987`	`where?`
`01:12.08`	`annma`	`Andy5201987: or google`
`01:12.15`	`annma`	`Andy5201987: ask in #debian`
`01:12.16`	`drivamgr2006`	`Andy5201987: bold command doesnt work in here, and I am clueless. I am a redhat man myself, so i know diddly minus 1 on Debian / Xandros`
`01:12.18`	`Andy5201987`	`google isn't helping`
`01:12.30`	`annma`	`#debian then`
`01:12.36`	`Andy5201987`	`ok`
`01:12.40`	`Andy5201987`	`thanks for trying`
`01:12.41`	`Sylvian`	`drivamgr2006: AUTH PLAIN gives me 334. What's that supposed to mean?`
`01:12.45`	`Andy5201987`	`I'll try #debian`
`01:12.48`	`Andy5201987`	`logging out`
`01:12.49`	`Andy5201987`	`bye`
`01:12.55`	`drivamgr2006`	`I have not a clue, Sylvian`
`01:12.57`	`drivamgr2006`	`one mo`
`01:13.00`	`smileaf`	`Sylvian: it means send the sasl info :)`
`01:13.16`	`Sylvian`	`Drats! ;-)`
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`01:13.29`	`smileaf`	`beats me what the sasl info it needs is tho`
`01:14.08`	`drivamgr2006`	`It means Waiting for further data, ie as smileaf said, send the SASL connection data`
`01:14.23`	`drivamgr2006`	`I wish I would wait and see what others tye first...`
`01:14.27`	`drivamgr2006`	`*type`
`01:14.33`	`Sylvian`	`Now what could the SASL-data be...?`
`01:15.03`	`Sylvian`	`Christ, I'll have a look through all my papers to see if I can spot anything useful...`
`01:15.09`	`drivamgr2006`	`I assume that would be a handshake of some description betweenn your account ad the server to ID you`
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`01:15.41`	`drivamgr2006`	`I use to log on to wanadoo.fr, and that used an older method of SASL, I think it was called CHAPS`
`01:15.55`	`drivamgr2006`	`an old dial up method of handshaking`
`01:15.56`	`smileaf`	`hmm.. wonder if i still have my smtp scripts around here.`
`01:17.18`	`smileaf`	`boo.. I got rid of it.`
`01:17.33`	`Sylvian`	`Right, what is this SASL anyway? Is it just a way of identifying oneself? What components does SASL have and what does it need? Forgive me if I'm being stupid now, I'm just curious...`
`01:17.46`	`Sylvian`	`smileaf: Too bad, thanks for tring`
`01:17.52`	`Sylvian`	`*trying`
`01:18.17`	`StevenR`	`Sylvian: cyrus-sasl (Simple Authentication and Security Layer)`
`01:18.17`	`smileaf`	`I implemented a mail program in perl by reading the rfc for smtp :)`
`01:18.41`	`StevenR`	`smileaf: did you seek a padded room afterwards?`
`01:18.54`	`smileaf`	`StevenR: nah it was fun! :D`
`01:19.08`	`smileaf`	`StevenR: I even used PerlQt so I had a nice little GUI for it.`
`01:20.32`	`drivamgr2006`	`Sylvian: a little bit of investigation has lead me to find what the server runs, and who is hosting swip...`
`01:20.39`	`drivamgr2006`	`you may be worth talking to them`
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`01:21.21`	`drivamgr2006`	`They have Communigate Professional on Mandriva Enterprise Server, and SwipNET is hosted by Tele2 AB`
`01:21.46`	`Sylvian`	`Wow, they're runnig Mandriva Servers, Cool.`
`01:21.48`	`drivamgr2006`	`so maybe try Tele2 for information...`
`01:21.54`	`drivamgr2006`	`www.tele2.se`
`01:22.11`	`Sylvian`	`Okey, I'll call them up in the morning, It's 2am right here now.`
`01:22.27`	`Sylvian`	`Thanks alot! See you all!`
`01:24.02`	`drivamgr2006`	`or try here: email internetkundservice@tele2.se`
`01:24.46`	`drivamgr2006`	`or telephone: 0200-22 20 40`
`01:25.29`	`Sylvian`	`drivamgr2006: You just became my best friend. You found that quicker than I did. And you don't even read the language.`
`01:25.36`	`drivamgr2006`	`Yes I do`
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`01:25.41`	`drivamgr2006`	`and about 14 others!`
`01:25.46`	`drivamgr2006`	`:)`
`01:26.26`	`drivamgr2006`	`I work in engish, since I can read the languages, but my spelling in Swedish, Danish and Finnish is appallingly crap`
`01:26.28`	`Sylvian`	`You do? And fourten other languages?`
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`01:26.46`	`drivamgr2006`	`yep`
`01:26.48`	`Sylvian`	`What are you, some sort of superhuman?`
`01:26.58`	`drivamgr2006`	`A heavy duty traveller, Sylvian`
`01:27.20`	`Sylvian`	`Where are you from drivamgr2006 ?`
`01:27.57`	`drivamgr2006`	`Born in Iceland to an English mother and German Father, spent half my life in Iceland, moved to England, been to Hungary, Denmark, Poland, Portugal Russia, Romania, Turkey, Greece, Netherlands, Spain and The Faeroe Islands!`
`01:28.04`	`drivamgr2006`	`I was born in Reykjavik`
`01:28.34`	`drivamgr2006`	`And I am going to Malm� in May this year!`
`01:28.46`	`Sylvian`	`Yikes. That's quite alot.`
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`01:29.00`	`G_Dawg`	`whats up`
`01:29.05`	`drivamgr2006`	`Comes with business, Sylvian`
`01:29.13`	`drivamgr2006`	`You either snooze, or you lose!`
`01:29.29`	`Sylvian`	`And you're icelandic from the beginning? Then you should understand most of the scandinavian languages (except from Finnish) pretty well, both in writing and speaking?`
`01:29.39`	`Sylvian`	`Hehe, what buisness are you in?`
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`01:29.53`	`Sylvian`	`Must be great being able to travel as much as that..`
`01:30.01`	`drivamgr2006`	`Icelandic I am losing, since I dont use it hardly now, and Swedish and Danish I could never get the hang of!`
`01:30.20`	`drivamgr2006`	`The only person I speak Icelandic to now is my Grandmother ont he telephone`
`01:30.22`	`G_Dawg`	`any of u ever go tanning`
`01:30.34`	`Sylvian`	`Ahh, now danish I can understand, but Swedish too?`
`01:30.52`	`drivamgr2006`	`Tanning? as in standing in a booth turning a bright shade of artifical orange, G_Dawg ?`
`01:31.03`	`adamt`	`drivamgr2006: i can teach you danish ;)`
`01:31.12`	`Sylvian`	`;-) Swedish is easy! You have the natural sounds from your icelandic and apart from that, it's just like norweigan.`
`01:31.24`	`drivamgr2006`	`Nope. Sadly, I hated Swedish. I could never get the hang of it.`
`01:31.25`	`G_Dawg`	`drivamgr2006: pretty much man`
`01:31.33`	`drivamgr2006`	`Then, No. :)`
`01:31.38`	`aib`	`is there a kde graphing utility?`
`01:31.38`	`G_Dawg`	`lol scary shit dude`
`01:31.43`	`G_Dawg`	`Krita`
`01:31.51`	`G_Dawg`	`well lol nevermind`
`01:32.03`	`adamt`	`xpaint`
`01:32.05`	`G_Dawg`	`Krita has turned into a photoshop clone`
`01:32.25`	`drivamgr2006`	`I gotta shift anyhoo, guys. Been nice talking, best of luck tomorrow, Sylvian - try the 0200 number first, since it may be faster`
`01:32.52`	`drivamgr2006`	`1.33 in the morning here, and I am starting to feel like I could actually sleep tonight! Yippee!`
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`01:33.01`	`Sylvian`	`drivamgr2006: Okey, thanks for all of your help. if you ever come by Falköping in sweden, give me a shout and I'll get you a beer.`
`01:33.15`	`lrathbon`	`hey all I'm getting a weird error when trying to build kdemultimedia, specifically the arts component`
`01:33.17`	`drivamgr2006`	`Is tha anywhere near Norkoping?`
`01:33.26`	`Sylvian`	`Not in a million years ;-)`
`01:33.32`	`drivamgr2006`	`Wrong end then...`
`01:33.34`	`drivamgr2006`	`:)`
`01:33.35`	`Sylvian`	`Yep.`
`01:33.45`	`drivamgr2006`	`See, I told you my brain does funny things when deprived of sleep`
`01:33.54`	`drivamgr2006`	`Night all, sleep well`
`01:33.57`	`G_Dawg`	`lol`
`01:34.07`	`lrathbon`	.libs/libartsbuilder_la.all_cc.o(.text+0x431b): In function `Arts::Structure_base::_cast(unsigned long)':
`01:34.07`	`lrathbon`	: undefined reference to `Arts::SynthModule_base::_IID'
`01:34.15`	`lrathbon`	`lots of errors like that one follow`
`01:34.20`	`annma`	`lrathbon: what module?`
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`01:35.09`	`lrathbon`	`it's the official 3.4.3 tarball of kdemultimedia -- it was working a while ago but something must be messed up on my system now`
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`01:35.16`	`Alexi5`	`hello`
`01:35.20`	`lrathbon`	`just wondering if anyone knows what these errors mean so I can try to fix it`
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`01:36.12`	`annma`	`3.4.3???`
`01:36.19`	`lrathbon`	`yes.`
`01:36.34`	`annma`	`do you have arts 1.4?`
`01:36.42`	`adamt`	`why not something.. a bit more "fresh"?`
`01:36.45`	`lrathbon`	`1.4.3`
`01:36.58`	`lrathbon`	`it's being built for a distro, 3.4.3 is what we've chosen for 1.0`
`01:37.09`	`annma`	`hmmm`
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`01:37.32`	`annma`	`is that the first error that you paste?`
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`01:37.41`	`lrathbon`	`yes, there are some warnings beforehand though, andre^off`
`01:37.44`	`lrathbon`	`annma*`
`01:37.51`	`annma`	`warnings are ok`
`01:39.08`	`adamt`	`annma: just wondered, are you goind to screem "my water broke" on IRC, or are you just going to dissapear all of a sudden, in the middle of a konversation? :P`
`01:39.17`	`annma`	`lol`
`01:39.23`	`annma`	`don't worry`
`01:39.24`	`adamt`	`*going`
`01:39.30`	`annma`	`i am not the screaming type`
`01:39.35`	`Jejem`	`:p`
`01:39.43`	`annma`	`1 month to go still anyway`
`01:39.48`	`adamt`	`yeah`
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`01:40.22`	`annma`	`i enjoy hacking on kde while i still can!`
`01:40.27`	`Sylvian`	`Bye all, and thanks again!`
`01:41.06`	`G_Dawg`	`annma: i enjoy it 2`
`01:41.31`	`annma`	`you are a kde devel?`
`01:41.51`	`annma`	`or you enjoy my hacks?`
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`01:43.12`	`senor`	`hola`
`01:43.29`	Ringwraith`	`hola senor`
`01:43.39`	`senor`	`what is in your opinion the best qt based irc client?`
`01:43.52`	`G_Dawg`	`annma: kde devel`
`01:44.08`	`G_Dawg`	`senor: Konversation :P`
`01:44.20`	`annma`	`:) great`
`01:44.31`	Ringwraith`	`i personally use xchat`
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`01:45.13`	`senor`	`i currently using konversation, it seems like a qt clone of xchat`
`01:45.25`	`G_Dawg`	`ok sure`
`01:45.28`	`G_Dawg`	`what does it matter`
`01:45.34`	`G_Dawg`	`all irc clients are similar`
`01:45.38`	`adamt`	`senor: qt clone of xchat?`
`01:45.40`	`adamt`	`:s`
`01:45.41`	`G_Dawg`	`it is "irc"`
`01:45.43`	Ringwraith`	`an irc client is an irc client`
`01:45.52`	`G_Dawg`	`exactly`
`01:45.55`	Ringwraith`	`it is text emitted through a fucking tcp connection`
`01:45.56`	`adamt`	`konversation rock, xchat's doesn't :P`
`01:46.21`	`adamt`	Ringwraith`: so, irc clients and http browsers and actually the same? :P
`01:46.39`	`senor`	`yes but also important is that the look and feel fits into the desktop`
`01:46.53`	Ringwraith`	`an irc client doesnt need to have auto away super cool script, ebonics script, leet talk, or auto-ass script`
`01:47.13`	Ringwraith`	`adamt, yes`
`01:47.20`	Ringwraith`	`fundamentally`
`01:47.32`	`lrathbon`	`/usr/bin/mcopidl -t -I/usr/include/arts ./artsbuilder.idl`
`01:47.32`	`lrathbon`	`./artsbuilder.idl: warning: Arts::StructurePortDesc::constructor (method) collides with Arts::PortDesc::constructor (method)`
`01:47.44`	Ringwraith`	`just http browsers give the user eyecandy and things to use a hand on`
`01:47.48`	`lrathbon`	`could that kind of warning possibly lead to an error later on?`
`01:48.05`	`annma`	`no`
`01:48.10`	`annma`	`well, maybe`
`01:48.19`	`annma`	`collides seems bad`
`01:49.05`	`lrathbon`	`ugh, I don't mind build/link errors that I can understand but the errors I'm getting are like greek to me :(`
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`01:49.36`	`annma`	`lrathbon: if it compiled before then you messed something as you said`
`01:49.58`	`annma`	`if it's a kind of distro based on spec file it'll be difficul;t to see what the problem is`
`01:50.11`	`lrathbon`	`yeah...`
`01:50.29`	`lrathbon`	`well I'll try to rebuild the stuff that arts depends on, and then rebuild arts`
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`01:52.17`	Ringwraith`	`well there went the popcorn guy`
`01:52.40`	`lrathbon`	`;)`
`01:52.49`	`annma`	`have to go, bye all!`
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`02:32.58`	`Drone4four`	`under what section of the KDE manual is adjusting the border size covered?`
`02:33.16`	`Drone4four`	`GOogling KDE adjust border size turns up nothing useful`
`02:33.29`	`Drone4four`	`i see nothing in the user manual on borders either`
`02:34.01`	`Drone4four`	`i've tinkered with this feature before, but i can't seem to find it again in kcontrol`
`02:34.25`	`lrathbon`	`kcontrol->appearance and themes->window decoratinos`
`02:35.40`	`lrathbon`	`there should be a 'border size' combobox on the right-hand side below the theme name`
`02:35.53`	`Drone4four`	`ah yes...there is no border size for the theme i'm using`
`02:35.58`	`Drone4four`	`i'm using DeKorator`
`02:36.10`	`Drone4four`	`and DeKorator doesn't seem to have border size options`
`02:36.30`	`Drone4four`	`thanks lrathbon`
`02:36.33`	`lrathbon`	`np`
`02:36.39`	`Drone4four`	`that is what i wanted =D`
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`02:57.36`	`Buddha\|`	`Is there any way to permanently mark files as urgent, etc. in Konqueror (file browser mode) ?`
`02:57.52`	Ringwraith`	`urgent..`
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`03:03.46`	`smileaf`	`isn't there some already?`
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`03:04.39`	`smileaf`	`I seem to remember a librss somewhere in KDE. maybe pim?`
`03:04.54`	`cyphase`	`smileaf, is it a framwork, or a libraru?`
`03:04.56`	`cyphase`	`library*`
`03:05.04`	`cyphase`	`framework* :)`
`03:05.09`	`smileaf`	`same difference to me :P`
`03:05.33`	`cyphase`	`well, what i'm planning would be a central repository of feeds`
`03:05.40`	`cyphase`	`with all kinds of features`
`03:05.44`	`smileaf`	`Oh`
`03:05.55`	`smileaf`	`why centralize it?`
`03:06.10`	`cyphase`	`so all programs can access the same feeds`
`03:06.21`	`smileaf`	`can't they already do that?`
`03:06.40`	`cyphase`	`depends on what you mean`
`03:06.46`	`smileaf`	`access feeds.`
`03:06.48`	`cyphase`	`sure you could add the same feeds to every program`
`03:07.06`	`cyphase`	`but i think it'd be better if it was one list`
`03:07.18`	`smileaf`	`so you wanna create a way of creating a selection of feeds.. all found under 1 feed?`
`03:07.26`	`cyphase`	`then if a program needs special feeds or whatever, they can access them the "normal" way`
`03:07.33`	`cyphase`	`no`
`03:07.37`	`smileaf`	`o`
`03:07.48`	`cyphase`	`well..`
`03:07.49`	`smileaf`	`Ok I guess I don't know what you mean :D`
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`03:09.10`	`cyphase`	`it'll be a repository of feeds, maybe tagged, that any program can access`
`03:09.14`	`cyphase`	`so for example..`
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`03:09.50`	`cyphase`	`you could have your main reader..`
`03:10.03`	`cyphase`	`then a ticker across the top/bottom of the screen`
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`03:10.20`	`cyphase`	`and your browser of course`
`03:10.39`	`cyphase`	`etc`
`03:10.39`	`DeadS0ul`	`I hate being sick`
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`03:10.51`	`cyphase`	`smileaf, Liferea for me :)`
`03:11.19`	`smileaf`	`Oh! .. haha . I get it.. you add the a feed to 1 area.. and all programs access that area to see what feeds they need to get?`
`03:11.48`	`cyphase`	`or maybe the daemon would download the feeds, and the programs get them from the daemon`
`03:12.10`	`smileaf`	`Ok I get it..`
`03:12.25`	`cyphase`	`and maybe the daemon would filter feed items`
`03:12.28`	`cyphase`	`like, for example..`
`03:12.37`	`cyphase`	`some sites create the news`
`03:12.44`	`cyphase`	`and others aggregate it`
`03:12.58`	`DaSkreech`	`cyphase: With a tagging system for each feed?`
`03:13.27`	`cyphase`	`what do you mean "for each feed"?`
`03:14.08`	`cyphase`	`it would certainly have a tagging system`
`03:14.15`	`cyphase`	`i don't know about "for each feed"`
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`03:14.42`	`DaSkreech`	`Well assuming that you don't want to have all your feeds in all applications you would have to be able ot flag feeds by interest so that an application can feed off your feeds to feed what the application is fed`
`03:14.46`	`DaSkreech`	`Right?`
`03:15.05`	`cyphase`	`lemme re-read that ;)`
`03:15.32`	`DaSkreech`	`You don't want your Brad Pit fashion feeds in amarok with your concert feeds`
`03:15.43`	`cyphase`	`lol`
`03:15.43`	`DaSkreech`	`I hope >_<`
`03:16.01`	`cyphase`	`if i understand you, then right :)`
`03:16.07`	`smileaf`	`I'd personally rather have a library that all programs would use to obtain, filter and parse :) the idea of a daemon just for rss feeds doesn't sound too exciting.`
`03:16.33`	`DaSkreech`	`and your astronomical discoveries feed would look a lot better in KStars than in Speedcruch`
`03:16.39`	`DaSkreech`	`crunch`
`03:17.40`	Ringwraith`	`no they woudlnt`
`03:17.48`	Ringwraith`	`those id people would get in the way ;p`
`03:18.15`	`DeadS0ul`	`a ringwraith..`
`03:18.23`	`DeadS0ul`	`and I'm listneing to teh LOTR soundrack right now`
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`03:18.47`	Ringwraith`	`DeadS0ul, bow before me`
`03:18.56`	`DeadS0ul`	`bite me`
`03:19.03`	`smileaf`	Ringwraith`: are you root?
`03:19.46`	`DeadS0ul`	`pfff get your facts straight, he's not root but he's a member of wheel`
`03:19.56`	`smileaf`	`lol`
`03:20.02`	`Buddha\|`	`ringwraiths are disk quota enforcers, not administrators`
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`03:20.21`	`smileaf`	`member of wheel or not.. if your not root you'll not get a bow from me :)`
`03:21.05`	Ringwraith`	`no`
`03:21.07`	`smileaf`	`I'm not a member of wheel. I need to get that configured so wheel is actually important :D`
`03:21.08`	Ringwraith`	`i will not be root`
`03:21.16`	Ringwraith`	`WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL!`
`03:22.01`	Ringwraith`	`knoppix, WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL!`
`03:22.19`	`smileaf`	`wheel is over rated :P`
`03:22.27`	Ringwraith`	`depends`
`03:22.40`	Ringwraith`	`on some kernels you need to be WHEEEEEEEEEEEEL to see all the processes in the system`
`03:22.49`	Ringwraith`	`be in rather`
`03:23.23`	`DeadS0ul`	`what systems might that be?`
`03:23.31`	`smileaf`	`I hope they use the id and not the name 'wheel' :)`
`03:26.00`	Ringwraith`	`wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel`
`03:26.07`	Ringwraith`	`unix invented the wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel`
`03:26.16`	Ringwraith`	`well reinvented i guess`
`03:26.22`	`smileaf`	`lol`
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`03:26.51`	`sonyman`	`Can someone tell me why the logitech mouse kcontrol applet always says my mouse is charged 42%?`
`03:27.06`	Ringwraith`	`your mouse has a rootkit installed by sony`
`03:27.15`	`sonyman`	`eh?`
`03:27.22`	`sonyman`	`haha not funny`
`03:27.27`	`DeadS0ul`	`=P`
`03:27.32`	`DeadS0ul`	`yeah it's bit outta date`
`03:27.43`	`sonyman`	`Serious answers please.`
`03:27.46`	`DeadS0ul`	`http://games.slashdot.org/games/06/02/15/1957205.shtml`
`03:27.50`	`DeadS0ul`	`that is funny though`
`03:30.27`	`sonyman`	`no one?`
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`03:44.37`	`Oleg_`	`can someone remind me please from where I can download the latest nodes for the ares plug-in?`
`03:47.26`	`Oleg_`	`hello?`
`03:48.01`	`DeadS0ul`	`=\|`
`03:48.05`	`DeadS0ul`	`ares..plug in..?`
`03:48.10`	`Oleg_`	`yeah`
`03:48.19`	`DeadS0ul`	`what's that?`
`03:48.32`	`Oleg_`	`this is one of p2p plug-ins`
`03:48.38`	`Oleg_`	`apollon uses it`
`03:48.49`	`Oleg_`	`apollon is a kde p2p software`
`03:48.52`	`DeadS0ul`	`I thought apollon uses gift`
`03:48.56`	`DeadS0ul`	`yeah I have apollon`
`03:48.56`	`Oleg_`	`yeah`
`03:49.13`	`Oleg_`	`I need to connect to ares network`
`03:49.17`	`DeadS0ul`	`well then your best shot is at sourceforge`
`03:49.26`	`Oleg_`	`so I need to download the nodes for it`
`03:49.31`	`DeadS0ul`	`ohhh`
`03:49.32`	`DaSkreech`	`Ah Good point`
`03:50.03`	`DeadS0ul`	`like an updated list of all network nodes..`
`03:50.09`	`Oleg_`	`yeah`
`03:50.11`	`DeadS0ul`	`dunno bout that though`
`03:50.19`	`DeadS0ul`	`I'm gnna google this thing now though`
`03:50.24`	`Oleg_`	`thanks`
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`03:59.45`	`Oleg_`	`I remember somebody gave me the list of nodes from some site`
`03:59.54`	`Oleg_`	`but then I re-installed my system`
`04:00.06`	`Oleg_`	`so now I forgot the address of that site`
`04:00.42`	`smileaf`	`Mmm... I love for loops in bash :)`
`04:00.57`	`smileaf`	`and dang that's alot of broken man page symlinks.. lol`
`04:01.04`	`Oleg_`	`ok, let's try something`
`04:01.09`	`DaSkreech`	`well maybe not MSH`
`04:01.18`	`smileaf`	`DaSkreech: I'm making a bash package manager ;)`
`04:01.27`	`DaSkreech`	`a what now?`
`04:01.36`	`smileaf`	`a package manager written in bash :)`
`04:01.37`	`DaSkreech`	`can it read feeds? :)`
`04:01.40`	`smileaf`	`no :(`
`04:01.51`	`fredE_`	`i've been having trouble with kde apps not showing up in the k menu...when i run kbuildsycoca, i get this error in the output among other problems.. anyone know how to fix it? "kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!"`
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`04:04.22`	`DaSkreech`	`smileaf: Deb package manager?`
`04:04.35`	`smileaf`	`DaSkreech: nope. it uses build scripts.`
`04:04.40`	`asdf`	`" Gates unveils virtual information wallet`
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`04:05.33`	`asdf`	`"`
`04:05.33`	`asdf`	`sounds familiar to me...`
`04:05.33`	`smileaf`	`DaSkreech: source based.. however it can build packages .. installing those are on the todo list tho .. hehe`
`04:05.34`	`DaSkreech`	`pacman? RPM? ebuild? deb? tgz?`
`04:05.34`	`smileaf`	`DaSkreech: only a database of package names and versions is stored on your computer.`
`04:05.46`	`smileaf`	`DaSkreech: none.`
`04:05.52`	`DaSkreech`	`Ah`
`04:06.54`	`smileaf`	`DaSkreech: never did like rpms or debs for some reason.. ebuilds are an excellent idea.. so I'm almost duplicating that but doing things a little more different. pacman.. no clue how that one works.. tgz I assume that's slackware packages and the packages are built simular to those.`
`04:07.17`	`DaSkreech`	`Cool`
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`04:08.00`	`smileaf`	`I started this on January 1st of this year.. so you can about imagine how far I am :)`
`04:08.13`	`DaSkreech`	`Hmm My sister had a boy about then`
`04:08.20`	`DeadS0ul`	`http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20060213`
`04:08.25`	`DaSkreech`	`So I'm going to guess about 45 days far :)`
`04:08.30`	`DeadS0ul`	`that's a really good idea for a comic strip =O`
`04:09.17`	`smileaf`	`around there.`
`04:09.40`	`smileaf`	`I'm on a gentoo system.. but chrooted into the system that my package manager built :)`
`04:10.05`	`smileaf`	`system is still not bootable due to lack of bootscripts ;)`
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`04:10.59`	`DaSkreech`	`DeadS0ul: Thats insane`
`04:11.07`	`DeadS0ul`	`haha yeah`
`04:11.10`	`DeadS0ul`	`but it's still good`
`04:11.31`	`DaSkreech`	`DeadS0ul: http://maxpayne.gamigo.de/images/q3.jpg`
`04:11.50`	`DeadS0ul`	`I see german...`
`04:12.00`	`DaSkreech`	`Umm`
`04:12.02`	`DaSkreech`	`OK`
`04:12.03`	`DaSkreech`	`wait a bit`
`04:12.11`	`smileaf`	`haha`
`04:12.15`	`smileaf`	`that's great.`
`04:12.45`	`DeadS0ul`	`hahahha`
`04:13.44`	`DaSkreech`	`:-D`
`04:13.56`	`DeadS0ul`	`i've been trying to make a comic strip of my own`
`04:14.49`	`DaSkreech`	`Where?`
`04:14.57`	`DeadS0ul`	`www.reasonstorock.com`
`04:15.07`	`morphir`	`uhh...how do i extract .tar.bz2 ?`
`04:15.20`	`smileaf`	`morphir: tar -jxf file`
`04:15.21`	`DeadS0ul`	`in kde, you can use ark`
`04:15.23`	`DaSkreech`	`morphir: from command line?`
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`04:15.28`	`morphir`	`yeah`
`04:15.31`	`smileaf`	`morphir: or use ark :)`
`04:15.55`	`DeadS0ul`	`otherwise you use tar xvjf`
`04:15.59`	`DaSkreech`	`morphir: try tar -xvjf file.tar.bz`
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`04:16.16`	`kendhome`	`one thing to be careful with`
`04:16.21`	`kendhome`	`.tar files and .zip files alike...`
`04:16.29`	`kendhome`	`is sometimes people who construct them do not put stuff into a subdir`
`04:16.29`	`DeadS0ul`	`what do you mnea?`
`04:16.40`	`kendhome`	`so you end up spilling the contents of the tar (or zip) into the current directory/folder`
`04:16.53`	`kendhome`	`so i always examine the contents first (e.g, "tar -tzf" or "tar -tjf")`
`04:16.59`	`DaSkreech`	`kendhome: hardly happens though`
`04:17.04`	`kendhome`	`and if need be, i create a subdir, cd into it, and then do "tar -xzf ../foo.tar.gz")`
`04:17.09`	`kendhome`	`DaSkreech: happens enough :)`
`04:17.11`	`DaSkreech`	`Good advice still :)`
`04:17.12`	`DeadS0ul`	`I use v...verbose bitch! =D`
`04:17.14`	`kendhome`	`and when it does... god, is it ever annoying`
`04:17.39`	`DaSkreech`	`esp if it's like a custom kernel >^^<`
`04:18.06`	`kendhome`	`hehehe`
`04:18.22`	`DeadS0ul`	`only things i have to use tar on are modules that I can't get in my kernel`
`04:18.26`	`DeadS0ul`	`like for my webcam`
`04:18.56`	`kendhome`	`cya!`
`04:19.01`	`DeadS0ul`	`cya`
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`04:19.31`	`DaSkreech`	`Man`
`04:19.38`	`DaSkreech`	`KDE4 may be out in 2007`
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`04:20.42`	`DeadS0ul`	`where'd you read that?`
`04:21.09`	`kreit`	`is it true that gnome font antialias is better (less blured) than kde's?`
`04:21.30`	`DaSkreech`	`DeadS0ul: It's possible isn't it?`
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`04:22.34`	`DeadS0ul`	`yeah very possilbe`
`04:23.42`	`kreit`	`DeadS0ul: ok, it's possible, but what do you think?`
`04:23.52`	`DaSkreech`	`Right I was upset when I heard that it wouldn't be out this summer`
`04:24.21`	`DeadS0ul`	`kreit: beats me I don't program for kde yet..`
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`04:25.25`	`kreit`	`DaSkreech: wasn't it supposed to be released at the end of this year?`
`04:25.35`	`DaSkreech`	`Yeah`
`04:25.41`	`DaSkreech`	`It still is`
`04:25.57`	`DaSkreech`	`but a) It's ambitious and c) caca happens`
`04:26.26`	`kreit`	`DaSkreech: btw, will it support some 3d effects, like vista intends?`
`04:26.33`	`DaSkreech`	`No clue`
`04:26.51`	`DaSkreech`	`I'm thinking that since it expects X.org7 thats a given`
`04:27.05`	`DaSkreech`	`I don't think it should require them`
`04:27.58`	`kreit`	`DaSkreech: what do you mean it expects xorg7? (1) hasn't it been already released? (2) what's that got to do with kde4 (or 3d)?`
`04:29.03`	`DaSkreech`	`Well the compositing stuff in X.org is leet so they should be taking advantage of that stuff`
`04:29.05`	`DaSkreech`	`Right??`
`04:29.18`	`kreit`	`sure`
`04:29.21`	`Tomasu`	`does anyone know of a good video transcoder gui for ke that handles seting up batch jobs? I basically just want to transcode a bunch of videos in a single folder to another smaller format.`
`04:29.39`	`DeadS0ul`	`Tomasu: try konvertor`
`04:29.59`	`Tomasu`	`doesnt to batch jobs. I just installed it, and it crashed on exit..`
`04:30.06`	`DeadS0ul`	`hehe`
`04:30.07`	`DeadS0ul`	`damn`
`04:30.11`	`DaSkreech`	`so KDE4 is trying to make use of the hardware available`
`04:31.03`	`DaSkreech`	`I recall in the last akademy they had a chart showing the amount of a video card dedicated to 2D vs 3D and basically said we need to be pushing the 3D to move forward`
`04:31.38`	`kreit`	`DaSkreech: i guess novell's xgl would be very useful.`
`04:31.51`	`DaSkreech`	`well more like compiz`
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`04:32.46`	`kreit`	`DaSkreech: do you think kde will include compiz?`
`04:32.54`	`kreit`	`or fork it?`
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`04:33.00`	`DaSkreech`	`No just the code`
`04:34.30`	`kreit`	`yeah, it seems suse's quite inovative, when it comes to desktop issues`
`04:35.05`	`kreit`	`s/inovative/innovative/`
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`04:35.38`	`DaSkreech`	`Well yeah`
`04:35.53`	`DaSkreech`	`they are owned by Novell for a reason`
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`04:38.57`	`Tomasu`	`"owned" or "0wned" ?`
`04:38.59`	`Tomasu`	`;)`
`04:39.11`	`DaSkreech`	`laughs`
`04:39.35`	`DaSkreech`	`Well they get XGL weeks before anyone else so... you choose`
`04:39.50`	`Tomasu`	`that just means they 0wned US.`
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`04:42.23`	`Psi-Jack`	`Is it possible to not have kwallet be used with Kopete, but still be enabled and used by Konqueror and other apps?`
`04:42.42`	`Psi-Jack`	`I don't care to have to always punch in my password just to use kopete, which is what using kwallet will require me.`
`04:43.16`	`DaSkreech`	`Man I hope knoware survives`
`04:43.47`	`smileaf`	`knoware/`
`04:43.49`	`smileaf`	`?*`
`04:44.15`	`DeadS0ul`	`Psi-Jack: yeah`
`04:44.22`	`Psi-Jack`	`DeadS0ul: How? :)`
`04:44.42`	`DeadS0ul`	`type in your passwords in kopete itself`
`04:44.50`	`DeadS0ul`	`configure -> accounts`
`04:45.00`	`Psi-Jack`	`I've done that before, and it /still/ brings up kwallet, unless I specifically disable it.`
`04:45.08`	`smileaf`	`DeadS0ul: it prompts for kwallet.. and kwallet then in turn stores it instead of kopete ;0`
`04:45.16`	`Psi-Jack`	`smileaf: Exactly.`
`04:45.25`	`DeadS0ul`	`ahhh it didn't use to do that =P`
`04:45.34`	`DaSkreech`	`smileaf: Yeah`
`04:45.40`	`smileaf`	`I would assume you could by telling it don't allow kopete to access kwallet.`
`04:45.42`	`DaSkreech`	`smileaf: Knoware`
`04:46.11`	`DeadS0ul`	`i'm going playing WoW for a bit`
`04:46.13`	`smileaf`	`DaSkreech: what is it?`
`04:46.13`	`DeadS0ul`	`later guys`
`04:46.13`	`DaSkreech`	`smileaf: http://developer.kde.org/summerofcode/knoware.html`
`04:46.25`	`DaSkreech`	`DeadS0ul: Horde?`
`04:46.58`	`DeadS0ul`	`right now yeah`
`04:47.04`	`DaSkreech`	`smileaf: Leetness in code`
`04:47.15`	`DeadS0ul`	`I got two accounts but I can't create horde on Ner'zhul @(#@(#&`
`04:47.16`	`DaSkreech`	`DeadS0ul: With a name like DeadS0ul you better be :)`
`04:47.24`	`DeadS0ul`	`it's Chaawla`
`04:47.27`	`DeadS0ul`	`on WoW`
`04:47.36`	`DaSkreech`	`Which server?`
`04:47.48`	`DeadS0ul`	`Alliance hunter Ner'Zhul`
`04:48.11`	`DeadS0ul`	`I bought another account to make a horde shammy on ner'zhul but no new chars are allowed there for the moment`
`04:48.23`	`DaSkreech`	`Yeah`
`04:48.26`	`DeadS0ul`	`leveling a shammy on the oceanic server for now`
`04:48.29`	`DeadS0ul`	`what bout you guys?`
`04:48.35`	`Psi-Jack`	`Here's another one.`
`04:48.40`	`DaSkreech`	`Planning a tauren Shaman`
`04:48.51`	`DeadS0ul`	`tuarens have an awesome /rude =D`
`04:49.02`	`Psi-Jack`	`Can you configure kopete's yahoo protocol to NOT pop up a notice that I have email? I don't even use yahoo email. LOL`
`04:49.05`	`DaSkreech`	`Right now a paladin human`
`04:49.11`	`DeadS0ul`	`ugh`
`04:49.14`	`DeadS0ul`	`i hate pallies..`
`04:49.20`	`DaSkreech`	`Me too :)`
`04:49.33`	`DeadS0ul`	`that's why I want a shammy on Ner'zhul, I wanna kill this pally named bluesonja`
`04:50.03`	`DeadS0ul`	`naming my char killbluesonja, leveling him up, and gonna gank his lowbie guildies so that he hears bout me`
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`04:50.56`	`DeadS0ul`	`anyway, bbs, gonan play for an hour then try out some more kde coding`
`04:51.03`	`DaSkreech`	`ok`
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`04:52.27`	`rdancer`	`the konqueror window shades whenever the cursor leaves the screen (i've got 2 screens, no xinerama)`
`04:52.39`	`DaSkreech`	`smileaf: Read up?`
`04:52.44`	`smileaf`	`yup`
`04:53.05`	`smileaf`	`looks nice`
`04:53.11`	`rdancer`	`when i move the cursor over the titlebar, it de-shades again (without clicking even) -- what's wrong?`
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`04:54.00`	`smileaf`	`rdancer: your window is just set to shade.. not a big deal.. use the menu to unshade it.`
`04:54.05`	`rdancer`	`ah, double-clicking the title bar got rid of it--it was probably shaded originally`
`04:54.22`	`rdancer`	`thx, smileaf`
`04:55.09`	`smileaf`	`if you want double-click to maximize or something other than shade.. that's in KControl center -> Desktop -> Window behavior`
`04:55.12`	`DaSkreech`	`smileaf: That should be an ultra rad inclusion to KDE`
`04:55.18`	`smileaf`	`that would be nice`
`04:55.32`	`DaSkreech`	`I was trying to figure out how it could be integrated into programs crashing`
`04:56.08`	`rdancer`	`the panel caught SIGSEGV, and apparently did restart on some virtual desktops, but not on all of them. can i restart KDE, or just the panel, so it's on all the desktops again?`
`04:56.17`	`smileaf`	`I don't think it'd be too difficult.. check out the kcrash source .. when something crashes create a submission to it and use the backtrace.`
`04:56.26`	`DaSkreech`	`more importantly in the short term I want the solid team to adopt it`
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`04:57.56`	`rdancer`	`anyone?`
`04:58.07`	`smileaf`	`hmm.. I forget how to send a dcop signal via the command line`
`04:58.20`	`fyn`	`Question for yous (ok, redundant comment:P) .. Kate's menus and stuff are antialised but not the text, whyso?`
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`04:58.46`	`doubt`	`hi ppl`
`04:59.13`	`doubt`	`any news regarding dropshadow patch for kwin kde 3.5?`
`04:59.31`	`smileaf`	`rdancer: to restart just kicker you'd have to execute the dcop call kicker.kicker.restart()`
`04:59.59`	`smileaf`	`how you execute dcop calls I don't know tho.. you can use kdcop :)`
`05:00.47`	`rdancer`	`smileaf: dcop(1) ?`
`05:01.21`	`fyn`	`sniff I was hoping it's somehow be drop(kicker)`
`05:02.00`	`rdancer`	`can i pkill -9 kicker; sleep 10; kicker ?`
`05:02.33`	`fyn`	`rdancer: I ... don't think it can stop you :)`
`05:02.42`	Ringwraith`	`try ambien`
`05:03.18`	`rdancer`	`fyn: question is, what will be the collateral damage?`
`05:04.05`	`rdancer`	``dcop kicker kicker restart''
`05:04.24`	`rdancer`	`nice 8-)`
`05:04.39`	`rdancer`	`thx, smileaf`
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`05:04.48`	`fyn`	`ambien? Is that an app? When I google for it all I learn is that it's a brand of sedative...`
`05:04.50`	`smileaf`	`ha got it!`
`05:04.58`	`smileaf`	`dcop kicker kicker restart <-- run that`
`05:05.10`	`rdancer`	`smileaf: i did^^`
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`05:07.03`	`fyn`	`Doubtless.`
`05:07.27`	`rdancer`	`wow, i wouldn't imagine kde was scriptable to such a great extent... (running kdcop atm)`
`05:09.15`	`smileaf`	`dcop is being replaced by dbus I think tho for kde4 :)`
`05:10.42`	`rdancer`	what could be the reason of konqueror doing ``Move'' as cp&&rm instead of ln&&rm ?
`05:11.27`	`smileaf`	`ln just creates a link?`
`05:11.36`	`rdancer`	`hardlink, yes`
`05:11.46`	`smileaf`	`you can't create a hardlink cross partitions.`
`05:11.48`	`rdancer`	`that's how mv(1) operates`
`05:11.54`	`rdancer`	`it's the same filesystem`
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`05:17.15`	`Dhraakellian`	`w00wh0m!`
`05:17.20`	`Dhraakellian`	`my dad is using KDE!`
`05:17.24`	`Dhraakellian`	`well, on one computer`
`05:17.31`	`Dhraakellian`	`he's still using gnome on the other, I think`
`05:17.51`	`Dhraakellian`	`and he's still using evolution, FF, and OO.o`
`05:19.36`	`rdancer`	`why would D-BUS use names like /org/kde/foo/bar/baz, instead of kde.org/foo/bar/baz?`
`05:20.04`	`rdancer`	`this is just sooo beyound me`
`05:20.09`	`rdancer`	`*beyond`
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`05:21.13`	`smileaf`	`it does kinda make sense tho`
`05:21.36`	`rdancer`	`it's stupid`
`05:22.03`	`rdancer`	`smileaf: how does it make sense?`
`05:22.05`	`smileaf`	`lets say we have konversation.kde.org as the website.. and lets say we still want it to be grouped in the kde's set.`
`05:22.18`	`smileaf`	`org.kde.konversation.`
`05:22.31`	`smileaf`	`just reverse it.`
`05:22.36`	`rdancer`	`but not org/kde/konversation`
`05:22.40`	`smileaf`	`keeps things simple and consistent.`
`05:22.54`	`smileaf`	`however it is.. lol.. I'm thinking java :0`
`05:23.02`	`smileaf`	`java does that also`
`05:25.07`	`Sho_`	`rdancer: The reverse-DNS naming convention is fairly established (Java being the prime example)`
`05:25.59`	`rdancer`	`the order of the names doesn't matter. what is important is, it has to be example.com/foo/bar, or com.example/foo/bar, but not com/example/foo/bar`
`05:26.04`	`Sho_`	`(OS X file attribute names being another)`
`05:26.08`	`rdancer`	`here's why:`
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`05:27.10`	`rdancer`	`say dyndns.org develop cool app called rope-dancer. they have a d-bus name org/dyndns/rdancer/fall-from-the-rope`
`05:27.12`	`smileaf`	`rdancer: if you think about it tho that assumes _everyone_ is going to use a website as the starting set :)`
`05:27.51`	`rdancer`	`now i can never use fall-from-the-rope, or have to get a different domain name 8-(`
`05:28.42`	`smileaf`	`no.. cuz they'd do org/dyndns/rope-dancer`
`05:28.50`	`smileaf`	`:P`
`05:29.41`	`rdancer`	`well they could use org/dyndns/straw-man, but that's not my point, is it?`
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`05:31.23`	`rdancer`	`the logical extension of this naming scheme would be not to use any separators, and go comexamplefoobar`
`05:33.28`	`smileaf`	`lol`
`05:36.24`	`smileaf`	`hmm.. I've sorta lost count how many times I've recompiled my system.. hehe`
`05:36.49`	`Dhraakellian`	`gentoo?`
`05:36.54`	`smileaf`	`nope!`
`05:36.57`	`DaSkreech`	`Why would you want to keep count?`
`05:37.00`	`smileaf`	`custom`
`05:37.19`	`smileaf`	`still trying to get my package manager working right.`
`05:38.03`	`DaSkreech`	`(*&%(&%(*&)`
`05:38.10`	`DaSkreech`	`Stupid Sourceforge`
`05:38.32`	`rdancer`	`DaSkreech: your parens don't pair`
`05:38.56`	`DaSkreech`	`rdancer: Sure they do`
`05:39.02`	`smileaf`	`I just got the binary dependency recording in so now I'm redoing everything.`
`05:39.08`	`DaSkreech`	`just replace the needed * with )`
`05:39.13`	`DaSkreech`	`it matches any char :)`
`05:40.17`	`smileaf`	`luckally I only got 136 packages installed ^_^`
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`05:41.54`	`rdancer`	`i always thought people would go lfs because they want to inflict pain upon themselves.. ;-)`
`05:42.36`	`rdancer`	`DaSkreech: what kind of expression was that?`
`05:42.59`	`DaSkreech`	`Umm An expression of frustration?`
`05:43.06`	`smileaf`	`inflict pain?.. nah.. this is fun :D`
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`05:43.45`	`rdancer`	`smileaf: 136 packages? come on, you'd use a small subset for development, if it wasn't for the pain`
`05:44.06`	`smileaf`	`o.O`
`05:44.24`	`smileaf`	`it's all automated due to my package manager :P`
`05:44.50`	`rdancer`	`s/pain/patience training/`
`05:45.12`	`smileaf`	`patience?.. nah.. it's called bed time.`
`05:45.14`	`rdancer`	`thanks, apt`
`05:45.20`	`smileaf`	`also work, and school`
`05:45.32`	`smileaf`	`Oh.. and trips`
`05:45.38`	`smileaf`	`went caving today :D`
`05:46.06`	`smileaf`	`got some more interesting photos too`
`05:46.24`	`rdancer`	`caving seems to be a geek thing. i've never heard of a non-geek caver`
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`05:47.04`	`smileaf`	`such as stalagmites.. only they were ice.`
`05:47.34`	`smileaf`	`I've heard of plenty non-geek cavers.`
`05:47.52`	`DaSkreech`	`smileaf: Spelunker?`
`05:47.57`	`smileaf`	`yup!`
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`05:51.25`	`rdancer`	`smileaf: ice stalagmite? can that be?`
`05:51.30`	`smileaf`	`http://smileaf.org/images/photos/`
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`05:51.48`	`smileaf`	`check out 591 and 592 for the ice stalagmite.`
`05:52.03`	`rdancer`	`i'd think the waterdrop would smash the forming stalagmite`
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`05:52.49`	`smileaf`	`there were tons of them in that cave.`
`05:53.09`	`smileaf`	`reminded me of starcraft and the mineral spots.. lol`
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`05:53.37`	`rdancer`	`ah, i see. it smashes the tip really, that's why the tops are flat. it's just a layered frozen splat 8-)`
`05:53.53`	`smileaf`	`:D`
`05:54.11`	`DaSkreech`	`wikipedia?`
`05:54.17`	`DaSkreech`	`soon to ship with KDE :)`
`05:54.46`	`rdancer`	`as in, the size only a negligible percentage of the source tarball?`
`05:55.51`	`DaSkreech`	`:-)`
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`05:56.47`	`DaSkreech`	`Great`
`05:57.06`	`DaSkreech`	`They just found a solar system with the planets moving in opposite directions`
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`05:57.46`	`smileaf`	`haha`
`05:58.06`	`smileaf`	`that's great.`
`05:58.13`	`DaSkreech`	`This is two weeks after finding two systems with a star 70 X the size of out sun`
`05:58.17`	`DaSkreech`	`our`
`05:58.28`	`rdancer`	`smileaf: i like the forest in http://smileaf.org/images/photos/img_0496.jpg`
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`05:58.52`	`DaSkreech`	`So now that we have confirmed we know nothing... lets bomb somewhere`
`05:58.53`	`smileaf`	`rdancer: thanks :)`
`05:59.30`	`rdancer`	`i'd vote for bombing the oposite-director-planet. directors shouldn't be opposite!`
`05:59.31`	`LangCom`	`A Korean it isn't?`
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`06:00.30`	`lrathbon`	undefined reference to `Arts::SynthModule_base::_IID'
`06:00.35`	`lrathbon`	`that's the first error`
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`06:03.56`	`rdancer`	`smileaf: Lake McBride, Iowa?`
`06:04.03`	`smileaf`	`Yup`
`06:05.17`	`DaSkreech`	`McBride?`
`06:05.38`	`smileaf`	`Yah, it's a lake in Solon, Iowa`
`06:05.44`	`rdancer`	`http://smileaf.org/images/photos/img_0561.jpg is wonderful -- the colorscheme is so depressing; i'm loving it!`
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`06:11.36`	`smileaf`	`rdancer: glad you like them :)`
`06:11.54`	`smileaf`	`think I should get some sleep tho :(`
`06:11.58`	`smileaf`	`nite!`
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`06:23.21`	`DaSkreech`	`What can use to kreate mkvs ?`
`06:23.22`	`DaSkreech`	`I`
`06:24.56`	`rdancer`	`DaSkreech: http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/`
`06:25.20`	`DaSkreech`	`rdancer: Thanks`
`06:25.28`	`rdancer`	`DaSkreech: also, http://www.matroska.org/downloads/linux.html and google mkv`
`06:25.41`	`rdancer`	`DaSkreech: np`
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`06:27.57`	`tech9iner`	`hello all..`
`06:28.05`	`tech9iner`	`new to kmail here`
`06:28.20`	`tech9iner`	`is there better channel to discuss kmail then here Please ?`
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`06:29.00`	`tech9iner`	`curious why when kmail offers sending mail 'via' configured accounts..`
`06:29.15`	`tech9iner`	`yet test sends go out from default acct?`
`06:29.21`	`P-Luc_Auclair`	`hey, firefox seems my back/next buttons correctly on my couse, but konqueror sees them as Xaxis, how do I fix this?`
`06:30.23`	`P-Luc_Auclair`	`seems:sees couse:mouse`
`06:30.38`	`tech9iner`	`what is 'send via' in file menu if not for specifying which smtp server/acct one desires to use Please`
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`06:39.08`	`manveru`	`anybody remembers the name of that kde-program to zoom out of the desktops?`
`06:39.46`	`manveru`	`it was some kind of french name... but i just cannot remember it`
`06:40.03`	`mark_alec`	`kompose?`
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`06:40.14`	`manveru`	`ah, that was it i think`
`06:40.38`	`manveru`	`yes indeed`
`06:40.46`	`manveru`	`wonder why i had a french name in my head`
`06:42.10`	`DaSkreech`	`It has an accent`
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`06:48.00`	`tech9iner`	`any takers Please on kmail and how to specify which smtp server to send outbound messages from Please`
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`06:53.36`	`tech9iner`	`hmmm`
`06:53.40`	`tech9iner`	`dead room`
`06:54.34`	`firephoto`	`heh`
`06:54.47`	`firephoto`	`tech9iner: you mean to always use the same outgoing or select it when you send?`
`06:55.04`	`tech9iner`	`select when i send Please and ThankYou! ;] firephoto`
`06:55.25`	`tech9iner`	`i selected twice now on test emails.. to no avail`
`06:55.38`	`firephoto`	`just create another profile. dupe what you need to from your normal profile but change the outgoing..`
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`06:55.40`	`tech9iner`	`they both returned as sent from default acct versus the one i selected?`
`06:55.43`	`djzn`	`how do I make Konqui STICK with the left panel OPEN (F9)`
`06:55.48`	`tech9iner`	`?`
`06:56.05`	`tech9iner`	`then why the menu item 'send via' under file then firephoto ?`
`06:56.09`	`tech9iner`	`bit confusing`
`06:56.52`	`firephoto`	`yeah i see that now.. maybe it's broke.. i'll try it.`
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`06:58.16`	`tech9iner`	`ThankYou! ;] firephoto`
`06:58.38`	`firephoto`	`heh, i'm guessing the profile way worked?`
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`07:00.04`	`djzn`	`how do I make Konqui STICK with the left panel OPEN (F9)`
`07:01.13`	`firephoto`	`djzn: if i leave that open it seems to just stay that way the next time it starts here.`
`07:01.45`	`djzn`	`firephoto: kubuntu is not letting`
`07:02.29`	`firephoto`	`doesn't here either any more..`
`07:02.37`	`firephoto`	`maybe you need to save the profile with it open.`
`07:03.46`	`djzn`	`where do i save the profile?`
`07:04.04`	`firephoto`	`works here if you save the profile with the sidebar open. Settings Save view profile...`
`07:05.37`	`firephoto`	`and since i'm open and closing konq a bunch right now i'll mention that every night around this time http://www.google.com/ig?hl=en goes into a loop... ;)`
`07:06.35`	`djzn`	`yes`
`07:06.39`	`djzn`	`there is the saving profile thing`
`07:06.42`	`djzn`	`but as it says`
`07:06.51`	`djzn`	`is there a way to load up a profile? coz i saw a bunch of them`
`07:07.16`	`firephoto`	`Just make a new name at the top of that window that opens`
`07:07.20`	`tech9iner`	`firephoto, sorry to confuse.. no.. did not work.. profile?..`
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`07:07.46`	`djzn`	`firephoto: i know, but in the list, is listing other profiles... how to load them?`
`07:07.50`	`tech9iner`	`dont see need to have many profiles.. if one can just choose which acct one uses to send out?`
`07:08.35`	`firephoto`	`well you should have a profile for each mail account.`
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`07:10.25`	`firephoto`	`*identity not profile.. ;)`
`07:11.15`	`firephoto`	`and I was able to "send via" here so maybe you have something else misconfigured tech9iner`
`07:12.34`	`tech9iner`	`a profile for each acct ?.. hmm.. head scratching logic.. not sure why then sending / receiving allows many accts/servers?`
`07:12.53`	`firephoto`	`and the mail header said they were sent by the same account?`
`07:14.06`	`tech9iner`	`if designed for one i/o pop/smtp acct each profile?.. then why the huge panes and 'add' button versus restricted wizards for one in/out for one profile??`
`07:14.20`	`tech9iner`	`admittedly im not logical geek here..`
`07:14.57`	`tech9iner`	`yes.. opened new mssg.. input recipient of on acct..`
`07:15.08`	`tech9iner`	`chose send via another acct`
`07:15.21`	`firephoto`	`you want to send your email via... foo.com sometimes and others you want sent from oof.com right?`
`07:16.02`	`tech9iner`	`said test mssg come back to my inbox as sent received by same acct?.. completely ignored my chosen 'send via' acct?`
`07:16.12`	`tech9iner`	`aye..`
`07:16.44`	`tech9iner`	`several difference business operations and personal email accts here`
`07:17.14`	`firephoto`	`right... you need a nother identity.. so you set that.. make it say This is joeblow@foo.com and the other identity say this is joebum@oof.com so the person recieving the mail knows the difference..`
`07:17.18`	`tech9iner`	`one client gets all messages from one acct.. other client another.. pal another etc`
`07:17.43`	`tech9iner`	`?.. hmmmmm`
`07:17.53`	`tech9iner`	`then why the option to send via?`
`07:18.05`	`firephoto`	`send via just selects the mail server to use. it could care less what email address it's using as the sender..`
`07:18.14`	`tech9iner`	`this is soooo different from evolution`
`07:18.34`	`tech9iner`	`theres the rubb though firephoto`
`07:18.57`	`tech9iner`	`examining the full headers of test sends mate.. showed that it was again`
`07:19.02`	`tech9iner`	`sent from default acct`
`07:19.24`	`tech9iner`	`completely ignored the dropdown server i chose in send via list offered`
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`07:19.43`	`tech9iner`	`it was not sent via outbound smtp server chosen?`
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`07:21.41`	`firephoto`	`you can select the server on the advanced tab in the identity setup..`
`07:21.54`	`tech9iner`	`just not grasping the viability of the function of being offered 'send via' thats promptly ignored`
`07:22.13`	`fredE_`	`should there be a system tray icon for kontact?`
`07:22.43`	`fredE_`	`oh wait i see... akregator takes it over apparently`
`07:24.16`	`firephoto`	`tech9iner: send via works.. if it doesn't for you then something mis configured.`
`07:24.33`	`tech9iner`	`hmmmm`
`07:24.51`	`tech9iner`	`weird.. if configured wrong.. how successful send receive?`
`07:24.54`	`tech9iner`	`grr`
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`07:31.07`	`tech9iner`	`hmmm.. this is feeling unintuitive.. seems feature rich.. but .. doesnt make sense to see difference accts in dropdown to 'send via' that has no effect in sent message.. alas.. and reading kmail handbook offers no clarity.. hehe.. thusfar.. bit of digging twould seem to understand..`
`07:31.51`	`firephoto`	`so did you make identities for all your different email addresses?`
`07:32.52`	`tech9iner`	`no no firephoto .. need to just read a bit.. likewise makes no simple logical sense to have to have difference identity for every difference email acct.. never have in any other client.. ever..`
`07:33.17`	`firephoto`	`so how do you specify who you are when you send a message if you have multiple accounts? ;)`
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`07:34.07`	`tech9iner`	`quite redundant.. each email acct by its own nature is an acct.. has its owne seperate pop/smtp servers etc.. then have to assign whole redundant other system on top of that?.. ugh`
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`07:34.59`	`firephoto`	`the redundant system involves entering a name + email address assoiciated with that name..`
`07:35.19`	`tech9iner`	`in evolution firephoto .. open new message.. drop down list has all email accts [i had many many many difference accts all listed] .. choose the email acct needed for relative communique.. and simply send`
`07:35.54`	`tech9iner`	`DONE THAT firephoto ?? of course mate.. i have different email accts configured.. ..`
`07:37.06`	`tech9iner`	`when one configures each email acct of course one inputs acct name.. email add associated with it.. and then likewise inputs pop.blahblah.com in server.. smtp.blah.com out server.. done`
`07:37.14`	`firephoto`	`you are confusing server settings with your identity settings they are not the same thing.. nothing in the server settings says who you are except to the mail servers...`
`07:37.59`	`tech9iner`	`then why mate does each email acct get named?? along with the email 'reply too' field?`
`07:38.34`	`tech9iner`	`evolution likewise has extra option to create multiple identities too firephoto ..`
`07:38.52`	`tech9iner`	`but optional.. NOT required for every email acct one uses?`
`07:38.53`	`firephoto`	`so you're saying that in the kmail settings.. under Identities the one default identity knows what to do with each different email address you have?`
`07:39.05`	`tech9iner`	`one identity can have 20 difference email accts`
`07:39.36`	`tech9iner`	`how long since youve been in kmail's config pane mate?..`
`07:39.54`	`firephoto`	`5 seconds...`
`07:39.59`	`tech9iner`	`np`
`07:40.02`	`firephoto`	`Identities... not accounts`
`07:40.13`	`tech9iner`	`btw fwiw firephoto .. no intent to be an ass here`
`07:40.27`	`tech9iner`	`just grasp new client is all ;]`
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`07:41.05`	`tech9iner`	`sure bout one thing.. if i have to create one identity for each and every email acct i have in kmail..`
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`07:41.13`	`tech9iner`	`its for the birds it is..`
`07:41.23`	`tech9iner`	`back to evolution for this cat`
`07:41.25`	`tech9iner`	`lol`
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`07:41.46`	`firephoto`	`You don't have to... but I'm sure the peopel you send email to would like to hav a clue how to respond to you..`
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`07:47.27`	`tech9iner`	`what???`
`07:47.41`	`tech9iner`	`firephoto, ..now you've completely lost me`
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`07:47.57`	`tech9iner`	`when you create / assing a new email acct chum`
`07:48.16`	`tech9iner`	`whats the very first fields that even kmail request you propogate?`
`07:48.48`	`firephoto`	`when you create a new account you fill in the server addresses, your user name.. your password.. and any special options.. that's it.`
`07:49.02`	`tech9iner`	`just clicked just now firephoto`
`07:49.02`	`firephoto`	`one for sending one for recieving.`
`07:49.20`	`tech9iner`	`like brick upside me rotten ole head`
`07:49.26`	`tech9iner`	`rofl`
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`07:52.28`	`tech9iner`	`subtley difference simantics.. terminology tween evolution ive used over 4 yrs now firephoto`
`07:52.48`	`tech9iner`	`and terminology and procs in kmail configs here`
`07:53.15`	`tech9iner`	`appreciate the patient bricks firephoto.. the 73rd one made the difference ;]]`
`07:53.28`	`firephoto`	`np ;)`
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`07:59.48`	`tech9iner`	`ciao4now an thanks muchly one more time firephoto`
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`10:01.32`	`pinotree`	`markey: ^^`
`10:01.41`	`markey`	`nonono`
`10:01.43`	`markey`	`RTFM`
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`10:04.50`	`PhilRod`	`hrm, rsibreak doesn't seem to actually do anything when the time is up for a break. I wonder what I did wrong`
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`10:08.26`	`PhilRod`	`aha, works now`
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`10:15.47`	`gandi`	`hi. looking for help with kde trunk compilation on amd64`
`10:16.01`	`pinotree`	`~kde4`
`10:16.03`	`apt`	`KDE 4 is currently in an early development stage, and there's no release schedule yet. You can find more info at http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html . Ask how you can get involved!`
`10:16.43`	`PhilRod`	`gandi: best place to ask is #kde4-devel`
`10:16.48`	`gandi`	`thnx`
`10:18.39`	`rohanpm`	`PhilRod: did you ever end up asking the D-BUS devs about docstrings?`
`10:19.11`	`PhilRod`	`rohanpm: no, not yet - been horribly busy with uni`
`10:19.37`	`rohanpm`	`PhilRod: OK.`
`10:20.46`	`PhilRod`	`alright for some :-)`
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`10:22.56`	`Kenjiro`	`morning`
`10:28.53`	`PhilRod`	`rohanpm: two blissful weeks to write to the DBUS devels :-)`
`10:30.39`	`rohanpm`	`PhilRod: Yeah... I could do that. I'm becoming increasingly convinced that such a feature is practically a necessity, and at worst would do nothing but make the introspection DTD a bit bigger.`
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`10:32.06`	`PhilRod`	`rohanpm: if you have time to do that, it would be really great - even if they say "no, we're not adding anything", then I know I need to suggest something different to KDE devels`
`10:33.03`	`Kenjiro`	`can anyone help me with kopete? Since yesterday I can't connect using the MSN protocol. Here is the message I get (on konsole) when I try it:`
`10:33.14`	`Kenjiro`	`kio (KIOConnection): ERROR: Header has invalid size (-1)`
`10:34.15`	`squid0`	`Kenjiro: try using Gaim`
`10:34.22`	`squid0`	`and compare`
`10:34.29`	`PhilRod`	`Kenjiro: hrm, odd - I can connect fine. Perhaps someone in #kopete can help you`
`10:34.55`	`Kenjiro`	`PhilRod: I know the problem lies on my end... because yesterday I updated my Slackware...`
`10:35.14`	`Kenjiro`	`I am just trying to find what I updated... that made kopete "misbehave" hehehehe`
`10:35.21`	`PhilRod`	`oh, and you can't connect since the update? I see`
`10:35.25`	`Kenjiro`	`I already had kde 3.5.1 before the update`
`10:35.54`	`Kenjiro`	`I was hoping someone here would know which programs/libs kopete depends on`
`10:36.04`	`PhilRod`	`do any other KDE apps have problems connecting to the internet? IIRC, MSN uses https, so try a https website`
`10:36.09`	`PhilRod`	`in konqueror`
`10:36.24`	`Kenjiro`	`hmmmmmmmmm good shot, let me try it`
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`10:39.53`	`Kenjiro`	`yep, the problems seems to be related to HTTPS`
`10:40.06`	`Kenjiro`	`konqueror is not connecting to HTTPS servers`
`10:40.11`	`PhilRod`	`openssl`
`10:40.22`	`Kenjiro`	`I was about to check that`
`10:40.22`	`PhilRod`	`seems to cause all known problems ever`
`10:40.30`	`Kenjiro`	`PhilRod: LOL`
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`10:43.44`	`m0ns00n`	`Hello`
`10:43.59`	`m0ns00n`	`Anyone notice problems with xmlhttprequest under the newest version of konqueror?`
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`10:44.57`	`Kenjiro`	`PhilRod: do you mind telling me which version of openssl are you running there?`
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`10:47.34`	`PhilRod`	`Kenjiro: sec, I'll see if I can find out`
`10:47.44`	`Kenjiro`	`thanks`
`10:47.56`	`PhilRod`	`m0ns00n: well, if you mean Google <something> doesn't work, then probably someone has`
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`10:49.41`	`PhilRod`	`Kenjiro: 0.9.7e with (possibly) FreeBSD patches`
`10:50.30`	`m0ns00n`	`PhilRod: No`
`10:50.31`	`Kenjiro`	`PhilRod: thanks`
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`10:51.06`	`Kenjiro`	`0.98a here`
`10:51.15`	`Kenjiro`	`0.9.8a, that is`
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`10:51.40`	`m0ns00n`	`PhilRod: I mean "var obj = new XMLHttpRequest ( ); obj.open ( 'get', url, true ); obj.onreadystatechange = function ( ){ alert ( obj.readyState ); }; obj.send ( );`
`10:51.43`	`m0ns00n`	`That doesn't work`
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`10:51.53`	`m0ns00n`	`It says "1" for loading and then dies`
`10:52.02`	`m0ns00n`	`Somehow the apple safari example works though...`
`10:55.48`	`PhilRod`	`Kenjiro: so I guess you could try downgrading your openssl, or asking in #slackware. Openssl seems to be very very sensitive to minor-release differences (spit)`
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`10:56.18`	`PhilRod`	`m0ns00n: hrm, that stuff's all beyond me, sorry. Perhaps there's a bug filed for it`
`10:56.19`	`Kenjiro`	`I am on ##slackware trying to get some help... checking if someone else had the same problem. So far no one responded LOL`
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`10:56.27`	`Kenjiro`	`but I am kindda patient ;)`
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`11:05.29`	`m0ns00n`	`PhilRod: Found it. What has changed is that you cant do obj.send ( ); Now you need obj.send ( null );`
`11:05.31`	`m0ns00n`	`sigh`
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`11:06.07`	`PhilRod`	`ok`
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`11:50.58`	`pont`	`Does anyone know where one can download an offline version of the QT Documentation ?`
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`11:51.48`	`PhilRod`	`if doc.trolltech.com doesn't have it, try developer.kde.org, or ask in #qy`
`11:51.50`	`PhilRod`	`#qt`
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`11:53.40`	`rohanpm`	`pont: Your distro might supply a way to install them.`
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`11:54.46`	`pont`	`I will take a look`
`11:55.25`	`rohanpm`	`pont: If you haven't looked carefully, they may already be installed. They're at /usr/qt/3/doc/html for me.`
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`11:55.36`	`EvilGuru`	`I am having trouble compiling kugar (koffice)`
`11:55.57`	`Kenjiro`	`PhilRod: one thing interesting....`
`11:56.08`	`Kenjiro`	`firefox can access HTTPS sites, konqueror can't`
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`11:56.16`	`pont`	`found them /usr/share/qt3/doc/html/`
`11:56.21`	`Kenjiro`	`I am guessing both use openssl, right?`
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`11:56.31`	`pont`	`thanks`
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`12:01.25`	`PhilRod`	`Kenjiro: I suppose so, but I'm not familiar with firefox`
`12:02.29`	`pont`	`another question aswell, I was playing around with dcop yesterday, When the application I created waits for input ( using iostream ) kdcop does not resfresh its UI, Does anyone have any idea why this may occor ?`
`12:03.09`	`Kenjiro`	`PhilRod: ehehehe well... firefox is running normally here, can even access https sites, while konqueror and other kde apps can't . oh my`
`12:03.53`	`rohanpm`	`PhilRod: I decided to take a closer look at the issue of documentation strings for dbus. Despite what I said earlier, I'm now not convinced new functionality is required. What do you think is insufficient wrt the current annotations implementation?`
`12:04.41`	`rohanpm`	`pont: apps can use dcop in either a blocking or non-blocking manner. I guess kdcop does the former.`
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`12:08.44`	`pont`	`ok`
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`12:10.45`	`PhilRod`	`rohanpm: nothing really, but it might be nice to have a standard way of returning a doc string, rather than doing it ad hocly`
`12:11.09`	`pont`	`rohanpm, I can't see how my application waiting for usr input would do this though, Unless im doing something wrong, Can I use dcop without using KApplication`
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`12:12.24`	`rohanpm`	`pont: I don't know. If I had to guess, I'd say your app probably doesn't need KApplication to be a DCOP client, but may need it to be a server. But I'm not that experienced, I'm sure someone in #kde-devel will know.`
`12:13.04`	`pont`	`ok cheers`
`12:13.59`	`rohanpm`	`PhilRod: OK. Maybe a new 'well-known' (spec-defined) annotation would suffice.`
`12:14.19`	`PhilRod`	`yes, that's basically what I think would be useful`
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`12:20.37`	`pinotree`	`~kmenu`
`12:20.38`	`apt`	`Instructions for changing the K menu icon: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2551958 . Alternatively, use kbfx`
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`12:37.58`	`Robsi`	`Hi, does anybody know, how to minimize the area for maximized windows on the screen.`
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`12:43.21`	`hagabaka`	`Robsi < restate your question?`
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`12:54.20`	`allix`	`hi`
`12:55.04`	`allix`	`is there a thesaurus applet like the dictionary available?`
`12:57.05`	`qfh`	`does anyone have an idea why URLs in the Help\|About dialog (and at many other locations in apps) are copied to /var/tmp/kdecache/krun/ and then opened in konqueror?`
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`12:57.33`	`qfh`	`this is annoying because the url is then /var/tmp.. and all relative images and links are unusable`
`12:59.35`	`Robsi`	`hagabaka < I want to minimize the area for mximized windows manually, like the kicker app does automatically. Sorry, for my bad english.`
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`13:05.50`	`qfh`	`it looks like this if it is of any help... http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=konqcopy9wg.png`
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`13:09.21`	`hagabaka`	`Robsi < still can't understand your question. how can the area for maximized windows be minimized?`
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`13:13.29`	`Quasty`	`hey guys can someone help me? im planning on updating my kde 3.4.2 to 3.5.1`
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`13:13.49`	`Sho_`	`Quasty: sure, what's the problem?`
`13:13.51`	`Quasty`	`ive downloaded all those rpm files...109 rpms`
`13:14.09`	`Quasty`	`so does that mean i have to install them all manually via yast? :\|`
`13:14.12`	`Quasty`	`im on suse 10.0`
`13:14.16`	`Sho_`	`Quasty: ah darn ... I have zero experience with RPM :)`
`13:14.20`	`Robsi`	`hagabaka < for example the kicker app minimizes the area, so that maximized windows does not overlap the kicker.`
`13:14.31`	`Quasty`	`do u know another way to update? ^^`
`13:14.34`	`Sho_`	`Quasty: I think Yast lets you specificy a source, which can be a local dir, and then you just update using that source`
`13:14.42`	`Quasty`	`i tried to install it via the terminal...but not much luck`
`13:14.58`	`Sho_`	`Quasty: at least such is my hazy memory :)`
`13:15.03`	`Sho_`	`from SuSE 7`
`13:15.04`	`Quasty`	`hehe`
`13:15.09`	`Quasty`	`ok lemme take a look`
`13:15.33`	`hagabaka`	`Robsi < maybe you mean the kicker autohides?`
`13:16.16`	`Sho_`	`Quasty: The guys over in #suse (or #opensuse?) will probably know their package management system best :)`
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`13:16.58`	`Quasty`	`hm...ok...but u were right`
`13:17.08`	`Quasty`	`i specified the directory all those rpms are in`
`13:17.10`	`Sho_`	`Quasty: ah, cool :)`
`13:18.03`	`Quasty`	`hm...`
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`13:18.19`	`Quasty`	`do u see any problem when i just upgrade my kde with every package in the list?`
`13:18.33`	`Robsi`	`hagabaka < no, kicker reduces the area of maximized windows, so that the windows do not overlap kicker. And this reduction I want to define manually.`
`13:18.42`	`Sho_`	`Quasty: Well I'd say that's supposed to work :)`
`13:18.55`	`Quasty`	`yea...yast knows the dependencies...so`
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`13:19.07`	`hagabaka`	`oh...`
`13:19.24`	`Sho_`	`Quasty: yup`
`13:19.25`	`qfh`	`Quasty: i think all you need to do is add ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/yast-source to the installation sources, then you should have no problems`
`13:19.40`	`Quasty`	`i actually did that :S`
`13:19.50`	`Quasty`	`but wait a sec...im tryin again`
`13:19.59`	`Sho_`	`Quasty: well then kick it and have fun with KDE 3.5 :)`
`13:20.05`	`hagabaka`	`Robsi < in XFCE, there's an option to set margins on four edges of the desktop so maximized windows only goes inside them. but I don't know if KDE has an option for that`
`13:20.45`	`Quasty`	`Sho_: do u think theres the possibility that the sound or other things are not workin anymore when im installin all this new sh*t? :P`
`13:21.04`	`EvilGuru`	`anyone know if Konversation supports a feature where nicks and messages are aligned in like a table, so <nick> \| <message>`
`13:21.33`	`Sho_`	`Quasty: Hm I'd say the risk is small since there are no big sound system-related changes in KDE 3.5, and most of the sound support happens "below" KDE anyway (i.e. ALSA, kernel drivers, etc.)`
`13:21.38`	`EvilGuru`	`like xchat, as IMO it makes it easier to read as all messages start as the same place`
`13:21.43`	`Robsi`	`yes, this is what I'm looking for.`
`13:21.50`	`Sho_`	`EvilGuru: No, but we're working on that`
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`13:22.13`	`Quasty`	`or i just install updates for some programs...that shouldnt be a problem right?`
`13:22.38`	`Sho_`	`Quasty: Well it's probably best to update KDE all in one go`
`13:22.48`	`Quasty`	`ok`
`13:22.56`	`EvilGuru`	`also, not sure if it is a bug or what not, but in the konsole-tab window like thing pressing shift+insert (which is normally paste in konsole) give me 2~`
`13:22.58`	`Sho_`	`Quasty: Interoperability, etc.`
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`13:23.33`	`Sho_`	`EvilGuru: I'll look into that`
`13:24.16`	`EvilGuru`	`as since I always seem to be on irc it is just easier to have a konsole window in my irc client than in its own window, great idea whoever came up with it`
`13:25.15`	`EvilGuru`	`[CTCP] Received Version request from Sho_. -- in english anyone?`
`13:25.21`	`Quasty`	`ok thanks guys`
`13:25.34`	`Quasty`	`Sho_: im upgradin then....`
`13:25.46`	`Sho_`	`EvilGuru: I asked your client to tell me how it's called and which version it is`
`13:25.52`	`Sho_`	`Quasty: Good luck!`
`13:25.56`	`Quasty`	`Sho_: what should i do when the os crashes? lol`
`13:26.25`	`EvilGuru`	`it is the newest one I could find in portage`
`13:26.27`	`Sho_`	`Quasty: Dunno ... fly to Nuremburg and draw obscene graffiti at SuSE's walls? :)`
`13:26.34`	`Sho_`	`s/at/on/`
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`13:26.54`	`Quasty`	`ok gonna do that thanks ;)`
`13:26.55`	`Quasty`	`later`
`13:27.08`	`Sho_`	`EvilGuru: It's the lastest release, yup. I just needed to know so I can look into the potential Konsole tab problem.`
`13:27.17`	`EvilGuru`	`it is the same in konqueror`
`13:27.28`	`EvilGuru`	`when I have a split konsole window thing`
`13:29.14`	`Sho_`	`EvilGuru: Yeah, embedding konsolepart is not without its quirks`
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`13:29.52`	`EvilGuru`	`also, when I click on a link I get the K file progress box come up for a split second before konqueror opens`
`13:31.25`	`EvilGuru`	`overall tho it is a very good irc client`
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`13:38.01`	`Quasty`	`hey Sho_ one question again lol`
`13:38.46`	`Sho_`	`Quasty: shoot`
`13:38.56`	`Quasty`	`i had 2 dependency problems...so i just selected to not updatekdebindings3-python and kde-graphics-3`
`13:39.12`	`Quasty`	`is that ok? or does the new version need those "updated" packages`
`13:39.56`	`Sho_`	`Quasty: It doesn't need, them, no`
`13:40.08`	`Quasty`	`because i have no more problems now...`
`13:40.12`	`Quasty`	`so id just update`
`13:40.44`	`Quasty`	`ok...updating ^^`
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`13:44.22`	`Giorgos`	`help! 2 problems: first, does anyone know how to change the font color on the KDE task bar?`
`13:48.53`	`pinotree`	`Giorgos: kcontrol -> appearance -> colors`
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`13:51.14`	`Giorgos`	`pinotree, thnx but what's exactly what I should change?`
`13:51.25`	`Giorgos`	`I tried inactive indow without result`
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`13:52.32`	`Giorgos`	`pinotree, the problem is with the inactive minimized windows`
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`13:55.38`	`Quasty`	`Thanks for ur support Sho_ "successfully upgraded"`
`13:56.00`	`Sho_`	`Quasty: You should relogin then :)`
`13:56.13`	`Quasty`	`i just did ^^`
`13:56.20`	`Quasty`	`everything is updated`
`13:56.21`	`pinotree`	`Giorgos: it seems there's not :(`
`13:58.14`	`Giorgos`	`pinotree, u mean I can't change it? :(`
`13:58.26`	`pinotree`	`seems not`
`13:58.33`	`pinotree`	`or it's me unable to find it`
`13:58.34`	`Giorgos`	`>:(`
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`13:58.45`	`Giorgos`	`pinotree, thnxz anyway`
`13:59.13`	`pinotree`	`Giorgos: you could search on bugs.kde.org for such wish`
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`14:02.50`	`Giorgos`	`pinotree, thnx`
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`14:20.11`	`pookey`	`is arts dead?`
`14:20.19`	`EvilGuru`	`nope`
`14:20.28`	`EvilGuru`	`not being developed any more as such`
`14:20.32`	`pookey`	`the website makes it look like it is...`
`14:20.34`	`pookey`	`oh.. ok`
`14:20.55`	`pookey`	`it is best to use a more actively mantained sound solution thing.. dmix perhaps?`
`14:21.00`	`EvilGuru`	`from what I heat kde 4 will no long use arts, but something like gstreamer with a wrapper`
`14:21.09`	`PhilRod`	`KDE 4 will use phonon`
`14:21.15`	`EvilGuru`	`cool`
`14:21.25`	`EvilGuru`	`shows how out of date my knowlege it`
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`14:21.48`	`StR`	`Hi all!`
`14:21.57`	`Sho_`	`EvilGuru: Your knowledge is fine; "Phonon" is the term marketing cooked up for the wrapper in your description`
`14:21.59`	`pookey`	`I'm just having issues with my sound card, seems it doesn't support hardware mixing, wondering where to start with fixing it`
`14:22.25`	`StR`	`in koppete, if I have a kontact with 2 IM protocols, like MSN and yahoo, how do I change the default one to use to talk with him?`
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`14:22.53`	`PhilRod`	`Sho_: does it have a webpage? I can't find one immediately`
`14:23.08`	`pookey`	`StR: might have more luck in #kopete`
`14:23.19`	`Sho_`	`PhilRod: Not yet I think`
`14:23.29`	`StR`	`pookey: thanks`
`14:24.16`	`pookey`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARts`
`14:24.19`	`pookey`	`WP really does rock :)`
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`14:25.30`	`EvilGuru`	`be good if they do choose to use gstreamer`
`14:25.39`	`EvilGuru`	`as it is a quality framework`
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`14:26.10`	`pookey`	`I haev amarok using it now.. but when it's using it KDE can't make noises :/`
`14:26.25`	`EvilGuru`	`i am using it now`
`14:26.28`	`pookey`	`I guess I need to figure out how to get amarok to use aRts`
`14:26.32`	`EvilGuru`	`and all of the funny kde noises work fine`
`14:26.35`	`EvilGuru`	`that is easy`
`14:26.48`	`EvilGuru`	`settings`
`14:26.48`	`pinotree`	`StR: inthe config dialog, accounts page, change the order with the arrow buttons`
`14:26.49`	`PhilRod`	`EvilGuru: IIUC, phonon will be capable of using multiple backends, so you can pick arts, gstreamer, whatever you like`
`14:27.04`	`EvilGuru`	`configure amarok -> playback`
`14:27.09`	`EvilGuru`	`and select arts from the drop down list`
`14:27.11`	`pookey`	`EvilGuru: I'm just recompiling it with aRts support now :)`
`14:27.45`	`pookey`	`EvilGuru: there is no drop down in there in the latest SVN`
`14:28.01`	`EvilGuru`	`ah, I am on 1.3.8`
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`14:28.57`	`pookey`	`http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/01/12/kde4.html?page=1`
`14:29.00`	`pookey`	`interesting KDE4 article`
`14:29.08`	`Frederick`	`can I use kate with a cleaner style like vim? I mean removing the menu bars?`
`14:29.22`	`pookey`	`why don't you just use vim? :)`
`14:30.10`	`PhilRod`	`Frederick: Ctrl+M`
`14:30.26`	`Frederick`	`pookey, cause Imho the highlight from kate is better this also may be a question about adding some plugins to vim`
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`14:30.47`	`Frederick`	`PhilRod, nothing happened`
`14:32.06`	`PhilRod`	`Frederick: settings->hide toolbar will get rid of the toolbar. You should be able to remove the menu too. Let me see how`
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`14:33.48`	`Frederick`	`k`
`14:34.21`	`PhilRod`	`that's odd, I can't see how to hide the menubar`
`14:34.30`	`PhilRod`	`see if there's a wish filed at bugs.kde.org`
`14:35.26`	`EvilGuru`	`I am still waiting for the kspell bug in konqueror to be fixed`
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`14:38.30`	`PhilRod`	`EvilGuru: there aren't many people working on konqueror, but you could try submitting a patch`
`14:39.31`	`Roey`	`EvilGuru: ha ha ha`
`14:39.38`	`Roey`	`EvilGuru: I have been waiting for things to be fixed, too.`
`14:39.43`	`Roey`	`EvilGuru: it is a game of patience`
`14:39.51`	`Roey`	`EvilGuru: like holding your pee`
`14:39.57`	`PhilRod`	`or better, a game of getting involved and doing it yourself :-)`
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`14:40.13`	`Roey`	`well yes, that's the natural conclusion right`
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`14:40.34`	`Sho_`	`.oO (Especially since he actually has SVN write access)`
`14:40.45`	`PhilRod`	`or giving money to someone else to do it`
`14:41.54`	`EvilGuru`	`yes`
`14:42.12`	`EvilGuru`	`http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108442`
`14:42.15`	`EvilGuru`	`seems so simple to fix`
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`14:42.56`	`EvilGuru`	`if I knew the kde source code a bit better I would look into it myself`
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`14:44.12`	`pookey`	`EvilGuru: oh. .. I think kopete has the same issue`
`14:44.36`	`EvilGuru`	`I do not use Kopete, but if you have it just add a comment`
`14:44.56`	`EvilGuru`	`not sure if it only affects aspell people or not`
`14:45.10`	`pookey`	`I amn`
`14:45.15`	`pookey`	`because I use ispell ;)`
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`14:45.27`	`Roey`	`PhilRod: who has svn write access?`
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`14:45.56`	`EvilGuru`	`spell checking is great`
`14:46.06`	`Sho_`	`Roey: You have`
`14:46.10`	`EvilGuru`	`especially for bad spellers like me`
`14:46.57`	`Roey`	`Sho_: me???? what did I do to deserve that??`
`14:47.31`	`Sho_`	`Roey: Hm I always thought katz was your account`
`14:47.42`	`Roey`	`maybe?`
`14:47.45`	`Roey`	`I don't know of another katz`
`14:47.46`	`Roey`	`if there is`
`14:47.50`	`Roey`	`I will sue for infringement.`
`14:47.58`	`Roey`	`OH`
`14:48.00`	`Roey`	`hmm`
`14:48.00`	`Sho_`	`Roey: well you would probably remember if you committed ;)`
`14:48.06`	`Roey`	`once?`
`14:48.13`	`Roey`	`I commited once to Konversation, but not directly.`
`14:48.18`	`Roey`	`Through what's his nick`
`14:48.19`	`Roey`	`um`
`14:48.25`	`Sho_`	`CIA knows of 21 check-ins for 'katz'`
`14:48.26`	`Roey`	`johnflux or cartman`
`14:48.34`	`Roey`	`Sho_: not me then.`
`14:48.37`	`Roey`	`Sho_: I only file bugs.`
`14:48.43`	`Sho_`	`yeah ... I notice ;)`
`14:49.45`	`PhilRod`	`EvilGuru: fixing bugs is a great way to learn the source code`
`14:50.26`	`EvilGuru`	`depends if it is commented well or not`
`14:50.40`	`PhilRod`	`well, didya look?`
`14:50.52`	`PhilRod`	`there're API docs too`
`14:50.54`	`EvilGuru`	`I have the soruce code -- somehwere`
`14:51.16`	`EvilGuru`	`best way to do would rpobably to create a simple test app using kspell`
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`14:56.59`	`johnflux`	`Roey: hmm?`
`14:57.43`	`tricky`	`I would like the taskbar to show only the minimized apps of the current virtual desktop, not all apps on all virtual desktops`
`14:57.49`	`tricky`	`Any ideas?`
`14:57.57`	`johnflux`	`EvilGuru: we are switching to kspell2 (or something else)`
`14:58.35`	`EvilGuru`	`very well`
`14:59.05`	`Sho_`	`tricky: Well, just configure it like that`
`14:59.10`	`Moshroum`	`tricky: kcontrol -> desktop -> taskbar`
`14:59.12`	`johnflux`	`tricky: click the little up arrow next to the task bar, and choes configure`
`15:00.29`	`tricky`	`tnx!`
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`15:14.25`	`Moshroum`	`ok, since everybody seems to be dead in #bksys, does somebody know what with kshaderdesigner happened and where I can maybe find it now (it isnt in kde-apps anymore)`
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`15:16.46`	`HuntsMan`	`Moshroum: just found http://www.opengl.ch/files/kshaderdesigner-preview2.tar.bz2`
`15:17.29`	`Moshroum`	`yes, but i cannot find any side with new versions or informations about it`
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`15:17.52`	`Moshroum`	`and no, opengl.ch doesnt provide me enough ;)`
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`15:19.39`	`Moshroum`	`ok, if found something http://www.opengl.ch/projects/kshaderdesigner.html`
`15:19.42`	`Moshroum`	`thx`
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`15:21.27`	`HuntsMan`	`Moshroum: damn, it uses Cg :(`
`15:22.27`	`Moshroum`	`you dont know something like that for glsl (which isnt dead like kshaderdesigner)?`
`15:22.47`	`HuntsMan`	`not for Linux`
`15:22.54`	`HuntsMan`	`i was planning to create one`
`15:23.05`	`Moshroum`	`then do it :D`
`15:24.09`	`HuntsMan`	`when my GeForce 7800 GT arrives :)`
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`15:35.05`	`drcurl`	`hello, I know that one of the focus of kde4 is to remove some clutter, but what can I do now to simplify kde 3.5.1?`
`15:35.16`	`sheldon`	`building karbon-1.4.2 on kde-3.5.1 on gentoo, fails with: grep: /usr/kde/3.4/lib/libkdeprint.la: No such file or directory.� ideas?`
`15:36.34`	`Moshroum`	`search what libraries are build against /usr/kde/3.4/lib/libkdeprint.* and rebuild them`
`15:37.18`	`sheldon`	`aha. okay thanks`
`15:37.52`	`sheldon`	`Moshroum: hmmm. even though it's a static library?`
`15:38.25`	`Moshroum`	`no, la isnt a really library`
`15:38.44`	`Moshroum`	`its just some libtool pseudo stuff...maybe some devs can explain it better`
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`15:39.01`	`Moshroum`	`.a is static and so is a shared library`
`15:39.51`	`sheldon`	`Moshroum: when i say static library, i mean library archive. i understand what they are, i'm asking whether your advice makes sense given that you can't runtime-link against a library archive`
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`15:40.58`	`tech9iner`	`m'oi'n`
`15:41.24`	`sheldon`	`Moshroum: put another way, while i can use ldd to check for libraries linked against shared objects (dynamic libraries), how do i check for libraries linked against library archives (static libraries)?`
`15:41.55`	`tech9iner`	`howto always display bcc field in compose/new messages Please`
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`15:43.02`	`kwewu14`	`anyone know the name of a console xml viewer?`
`15:43.36`	`sheldon`	`kwewu14: less`
`15:43.42`	`Moshroum`	`hm? just search through the libtool dependencies of the libraries (inside *.la)`
`15:44.24`	`tech9iner`	`if html format chosen in compose configs.. assuming html acceptalble in signatures?`
`15:45.01`	`sheldon`	`Moshroum: here we go... fgrep -rl '/kde/3.4/' /usr/lib/ \| grep '\.la$'`
`15:45.17`	`sheldon`	`tech9iner: now there's a good question :)`
`15:45.24`	`sheldon`	`tech9iner: does it work?`
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`15:45.50`	`sheldon`	`kwewu14: when you say "console viewer", what do you want beyond what cat(1) gives you?`
`15:46.40`	`kwewu14`	`i don't know.`
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`15:46.45`	`kwewu14`	`i'm tired and frustrated right now.`
`15:46.52`	`kwewu14`	`that was an incredibly stupid question, sorry.`
`15:46.57`	`tech9iner`	`lol.. im asking.. hehe.. dunno.. still bit lost in here after 4+ yrs on evolution..`
`15:47.05`	`kwewu14`	`after i thought about it, i felt like a retard, don't worry.`
`15:47.50`	`sheldon`	`kwewu14: sleep well :)`
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`15:48.27`	`sheldon`	`tech9iner: yeah, kmail is a much easier transition for users of pine than it is for users of evolution :)`
`15:48.43`	`kwewu14`	`i'm not going to sleep until i make a ruby program to calculate the meaning of the number 42.`
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`15:49.41`	`sheldon`	`Moshroum: turned out to be stale koffice-lib, koffice-data and libao`
`15:49.46`	`sheldon`	`Moshroum: thanks for the advice`
`15:50.01`	`sheldon`	`kwewu14: the meaning of the number 4 is more interesting in ruby ;)`
`15:50.18`	`sheldon`	`kwewu14: perhaps you could leave 2 until tomorrow?`
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`15:51.56`	`kwewu14`	`maybe.`
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`15:53.17`	`tech9iner`	`sheldon, true that..`
`15:53.39`	`tech9iner`	`different terminology.. tiny bit more redundant in configs..`
`15:54.06`	`tech9iner`	`(identities separated from acct configs n all ;]`
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`16:01.26`	`guest_`	`what is the process "prelink"? and why is it takeing 85% cpu and 26% mem?`
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`16:02.06`	`tech9iner`	`hmmm.. weirdness found..`
`16:02.10`	`tech9iner`	`creating new id..`
`16:02.21`	`HuntsMan`	`guest_: an app to speed up the loading of applications`
`16:02.44`	`guest_`	`well...humm do I need it?`
`16:02.47`	`tech9iner`	`highlighted specific portion of duplicated id email [time saver using same gmail bits]..`
`16:02.52`	`guest_`	`how does it know what I'm going to load?`
`16:02.54`	`HuntsMan`	`guest_: it should vanish in some time, depending on your CPU power`
`16:02.57`	`guest_`	`before I do`
`16:03.03`	`guest_`	`low cpu`
`16:03.05`	`guest_`	`150mhz`
`16:03.11`	`guest_`	`low mem 48mb`
`16:03.15`	`guest_`	`kde 3.5`
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`16:03.29`	`guest_`	`its alright just tighting the system and found this process`
`16:03.31`	`tech9iner`	`choose paste.. hmmmmm??? abitrarily replaces only the character count as clipboard replacement????`
`16:04.07`	`HuntsMan`	`guest_: you can wait to finish it's work or kill it, i recommend you to wait :)`
`16:04.15`	`tech9iner`	`dont recall any app deciding what i want replaced frm clipboard before lol`
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`16:09.46`	`tech9iner`	`JHChrist!!`
`16:10.43`	`tech9iner`	`working last nite.. sending outbound`
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`16:10.44`	`tech9iner`	`now getting probs?`
`16:10.44`	`guest_`	`should I kill this prelink process its hogging the small resorces I got for my kids machine - its been running for 40 min`
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`16:16.02`	`pat`	`hello! can anybody tell me which application is displaying the icons on the desktop?`
`16:16.14`	`HuntsMan`	`kdesktop`
`16:16.26`	`pat`	`oh. well. hehe. I feel kinda stupid right now.`
`16:17.23`	`tech9iner`	`jeesh.. had accts all configured last even.. all created had test sends.. this am?.. 'saved smtp pw' was as if never touched?.. pc wasnt even turned off?... ghosts in kmail twould seem`
`16:17.53`	`tech9iner`	`mof.. kmail wasnt even shutdown.. rofl`
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`16:20.09`	`tech9iner`	`anyone seen comprehensive keyboard shortcuts list for kmail Please ThankYou! ;]`
`16:20.35`	`Sho_`	`Sr`
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`16:20.51`	`Sho_`	`err`
`16:21.00`	`Sho_`	`tech9iner: Settings -> Configure Shortcuts`
`16:21.25`	`tech9iner`	`bit lost as pure anti-mouser/keyboardist here .. weird right / left arrow operations bit new.. cant seem to highlight unread folders and access from kybrd..`
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`16:21.43`	`tech9iner`	`oi ThankYou! ;] Sho_ ;]`
`16:22.05`	`Sho_`	`tech9iner: Same location in just about every KDE app, btw`
`16:22.12`	`tech9iner`	`if kde 'd STOp hiding chit in plain sight an all Sho_ lol`
`16:22.46`	`tech9iner`	`long with bit more moisturizing lotion when holdn me hands ;]`
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`16:29.17`	`forevertheuni`	`guys when installing arts I'm having this error(but I have qt-x11 installed)`
`16:29.31`	`forevertheuni`	`checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (library qt-mt) no`
`16:29.32`	`forevertheuni`	`t found. Please check your installation!`
`16:29.37`	`guest_`	`should I kill this prelink process its hogging the small resorces I got for my kids machine - its been running for 40 min`
`16:29.39`	`guest_`	`?`
`16:30.02`	`forevertheuni`	`��I've compiled qt with threading support`
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`16:37.27`	`StevenR`	`in kde3.5.1, how do I disable the kttsd? I dont need it, I don't want it, I don't use it...can I disable it?`
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`16:42.32`	`forevertheuni`	`:/ no hints to me?`
`16:43.07`	`pinotree`	`forevertheuni: do you have the qt3 headers installed?`
`16:43.56`	`tech9iner`	`k mates.. Please`
`16:44.14`	`forevertheuni`	`pinotree: .h?`
`16:44.17`	`forevertheuni`	`I've installed qt`
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`16:44.23`	`forevertheuni`	`�'m compiling again now`
`16:44.23`	`tech9iner`	`not finding any references in keyboard shortcut configs to 'spam' or 'junk' ?`
`16:44.24`	`forevertheuni`	`:(`
`16:44.29`	`pinotree`	`forevertheuni: which distro?`
`16:44.52`	`StevenR`	`tech9iner: can you be clearer about what your problem actually is?`
`16:45.10`	`forevertheuni`	`sourcemage`
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`16:46.05`	`tech9iner`	`?? rofl.. clearer than keyboard shortcuts? nevermind lol.. found it anyway.. 'Filter Classify as spam' .. was looking for 'mark as..' or 'spam' calls`
`16:46.35`	`pinotree`	`forevertheuni: which is the prefix for Qt?`
`16:46.52`	`Sho_`	`tech9iner: You know, the shortcuts dialog has a search box`
`16:46.53`	`pinotree`	`forevertheuni: you should have the qt headers in $QTDIR/include`
`16:47.14`	`forevertheuni`	`oh`
`16:47.21`	`forevertheuni`	`echo $QTDIR gives nothing :(`
`16:47.36`	`pinotree`	`which prefix did you pass to qt's configure?`
`16:47.39`	`tech9iner`	`Sho_, but its all way up there at the top.. out of sight and all Sho_ .. too hard.. lol`
`16:48.04`	`forevertheuni`	`pinotree: the distro does that..but usually is prefix=/usr`
`16:48.28`	`pinotree`	`so, you should have /usr/include/ with the qt headers`
`16:50.24`	`forevertheuni`	`I'll w8 for finishing compilien dgagain`
`16:50.38`	`forevertheuni`	`compiling`
`16:51.17`	`Roey`	`hi`
`16:51.28`	`Roey`	`does anyone experience konsole crashing when you save a session?`
`16:52.29`	`forevertheuni`	`tnx pinotree`
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`16:52.39`	`tech9iner`	`btw mates..`
`16:52.49`	`pinotree`	`forevertheuni: all fine?`
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`16:52.55`	`tech9iner`	`ive attempted to run kmailCVT importer few times..`
`16:53.24`	`forevertheuni`	`pinotree: no still compiling but 'm not having`
`16:53.27`	`tech9iner`	`burns the hell out of me P4 2.4 cpu.. for upto and hour.. and never seems to complete process`
`16:53.30`	`forevertheuni`	`the install log`
`16:53.32`	`forevertheuni`	`I shoul`
`16:53.33`	`tech9iner`	`and upon pkilling it..`
`16:53.35`	`forevertheuni`	`should`
`16:53.54`	`tech9iner`	`find weird 'arch' inbox with handful of blank emails..`
`16:54.07`	`tech9iner`	`importing evolution 2 data..`
`16:54.12`	`tech9iner`	`any trix im missing Please`
`16:54.13`	`tech9iner`	`ThankYou! ;]`
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`16:54.48`	`tech9iner`	`is the process something i need to run whilst sleeping to allow hours n hours to complete maybe?`
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`17:02.56`	`_revelation`	`hi`
`17:03.48`	`_revelation`	`is it possible to make firefox use a different "save as"-dialog. for instance the standard of kde?`
`17:04.08`	`annma`	`hmm`
`17:04.14`	`annma`	`hack firefox code/`
`17:04.19`	`_revelation`	`lol`
`17:04.32`	`_revelation`	`too much work ;)`
`17:04.33`	`drivamgr2006`	`What do you mean "save as" dialog?`
`17:04.49`	`_revelation`	`yes`
`17:04.49`	`drivamgr2006`	`What do you want it to do?`
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`17:05.17`	`_revelation`	`I hate the standard dialog - it's buggy and lacks usability`
`17:05.30`	`annma`	`make a bug report`
`17:05.40`	`_revelation`	`I would prefer to use that of kate or the other kde apps`
`17:05.46`	`pinotree`	`_revelation: this is #kde, complaining it here have no utility`
`17:05.55`	`drivamgr2006`	`_revelation: You may be better to have a chat with the Firefox help service.`
`17:05.56`	`StevenR`	`_revelation: firefox isn't a kde app`
`17:06.14`	`annma`	`_revelation: use Konqueror`
`17:06.28`	`drivamgr2006`	`_revelation: type in your chat box /server irc.mozilla.org 6667`
`17:06.41`	`drivamgr2006`	`or /server irc.mozilla.net 6667`
`17:06.42`	`_revelation`	`I'm not complaining ;) I had to justify my intention....`
`17:06.56`	`drivamgr2006`	`then join #firefox`
`17:07.00`	`guest_`	`ok what does it mean when kde windows have no min,max, close buttons`
`17:07.06`	`pinotree`	`_revelation: ok, but we can do nothing for firefox`
`17:07.24`	`_revelation`	`thx anyway`
`17:07.27`	`_revelation`	`bye`
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`17:08.23`	`drivamgr2006`	`guest_: what window do you have with no min max or close button? what were you running?`
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`17:10.34`	`guest_`	`konsole, firefox`
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`17:11.21`	`humboldt`	`Kmail is telling me: The resource '/home/hugo/.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf' is locked by application ''. Obviously there is no app using the file. How can I release the lock?`
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`17:11.32`	`drivamgr2006`	`konsole we can help with, firefox is not part of kde guest_ ...`
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`17:11.58`	`PhilRod`	`humboldt: look for a file called "lock" in ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc`
`17:12.22`	`drivamgr2006`	`guest_: What version of KDE are you currently running?`
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`17:14.51`	`guest_`	`3.5 i believe let me cjeck`
`17:14.53`	`guest_`	`check`
`17:15.14`	`guest_`	`is thire an equal to winver for kde?`
`17:15.19`	`humboldt`	`PhilRod: tnx`
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`17:16.44`	`drivamgr2006`	`guest_: try opening a kde application and click on help, then about KDE. It should tell you what version you have`
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`17:23.26`	`drivamgr2006`	`guest_: are you still with me?`
`17:23.59`	`annma`	`hi drivamgr2006`
`17:24.05`	`annma`	`I am with you`
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`17:24.40`	`drivamgr2006`	`hi annma . I am trying to help this guest_ dude but he/she appears to have evaporated into deep space... :)`
`17:25.01`	`annma`	`;) yes, so I'm conforting you that you are not alone`
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`17:25.23`	`drivamgr2006`	`thanks. I'm just glad I'm not talking to nothing!!!`
`17:25.32`	`annma`	`;)`
`17:25.42`	`drivamgr2006`	`Its wonderful that people come in, ask for help, and disappear without a trace.`
`17:25.50`	`drivamgr2006`	`patience doesn't hurt!`
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`17:26.12`	`annma`	`yes`
`17:27.10`	`drivamgr2006`	`People like me and you give up our time, come in and help people sort out their probs, and then those who we are helping vanish.`
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`17:28.05`	`annma`	`drivamgr2006: yes, and most of the time don't even say "thanks"`
`17:28.16`	`drivamgr2006`	`exactly.`
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`17:29.03`	`drivamgr2006`	`It almost makes me feel like saying something rude... but I won't. I have to preserve my own sanity, despite everything around me!`
`17:29.26`	`annma`	`lol, yes`
`17:29.37`	`annma`	`just think of yourself as a kind of saint`
`17:30.29`	`drivamgr2006`	`Beatification, here I come! :)`
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`17:31.33`	`pinotree`	`...`
`17:32.16`	`lostson`	`hmm kbfx crashes the control panel thats not nice`
`17:32.29`	`drivamgr2006`	`hiya pinotree - just going through a minor phase of irc depression... :\|`
`17:32.38`	`annma`	`lostson: yes! kde svn 3.5 branch todasy?`
`17:32.53`	`lostson`	`no im not using svn`
`17:32.59`	`pinotree`	`drivamgr2006: oooh, smile and be happy :-)`
`17:33.15`	`annma`	`lostson: oh tell me exactly what happens then please`
`17:33.24`	`drivamgr2006`	`thrrrrrp`
`17:33.26`	`lostson`	`hmm it just crashes`
`17:33.28`	`annma`	`as i am onto tracking that`
`17:33.30`	`drivamgr2006`	`:(`
`17:33.30`	`lostson`	`you want the bugtrace`
`17:33.31`	`annma`	`how?`
`17:33.39`	`annma`	`no, first try to reproduce`
`17:33.45`	`annma`	`tell me exactly what tab`
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`17:33.58`	`newbie`	`and dont forget the a pray for "St. IGNUcius" (of the Church of Emacs) :-) for the help ;-)`
`17:34.08`	`annma`	`lol`
`17:34.17`	`lostson`	`ok i open kontrol center then Appearance and themes and when i click on it kaboom crash`
`17:34.42`	`annma`	`ah, bah, no`
`17:34.48`	`annma`	`not my crash`
`17:34.55`	`annma`	`cannot reproduce that`
`17:35.07`	`lostson`	`that sux i was looking forward to checking it out`
`17:35.08`	`annma`	`post the bt on pastebin, yes`
`17:35.21`	`annma`	`distro thing mostly`
`17:35.27`	`lostson`	`im using version 0.4.8 is that the newest ?`
`17:35.35`	`tech9iner`	`hmmm.. bit o culture shock swappon out 4+ yrs on evolution here.. but as i go through and familiarize meself a bit more.. liking what i see.. nice filters that can be configured in/out in one pain same step rather than 2 seperate configs.. niice..`
`17:35.46`	`annma`	`0.4.8 of what, lostson ?`
`17:35.52`	`lostson`	`kbfx`
`17:36.02`	`tech9iner`	`missing gnome less an less by the day over last yr on suse... lol`
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`17:36.54`	`lostson`	`annma: here ya go : http://pastebin.com/557918`
`17:38.04`	`humboldt`	`what is the kde desktop search app?`
`17:38.36`	`newbie`	`kfind?`
`17:38.49`	`annma`	`lostson: it's a typical kbfx crash`
`17:38.55`	`annma`	`distro?`
`17:38.58`	`lostson`	`FC 4`
`17:39.28`	`annma`	`look at their bug reports`
`17:39.58`	`lostson`	`wow i cant find it anywhere to get rid of it either it doesnt show up with locate find or whereis`
`17:40.31`	`annma`	`kbfx is not part of official kde`
`17:40.31`	`lostson`	`hmm maybe if i restart kde`
`17:40.40`	`drivamgr2006`	`FYI, lostson , Fedora's Bugzilla is now at bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla`
`17:40.48`	`lostson`	`yes`
`17:40.51`	`lostson`	`thank you`
`17:40.59`	`drivamgr2006`	`bugzilla.fedora.us is closed now according to the net`
`17:40.59`	`Gentle`	`humboldt, if you're looking for something like beagle, that would be kat`
`17:41.01`	`humboldt`	`something like google desktop search. something that indexes the hdd and reads files contents`
`17:41.09`	`humboldt`	`beagle yes`
`17:41.11`	`lostson`	`its already posted in the forums`
`17:41.45`	`annma`	`so here you are`
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`17:43.20`	`lostson`	`ok where does this thing install to so i can get rid of it`
`17:43.59`	`guest_`	`drivamgr2006: I'm here`
`17:44.11`	`drivamgr2006`	`hallelujah!!!!`
`17:44.22`	`drivamgr2006`	`Right, which version of kde are you on?`
`17:45.08`	`guest_`	`"the process for the system protocol died unexpectantly" (who expects that (-:)`
`17:45.30`	`drivamgr2006`	`What did you do to get that error?`
`17:45.44`	`guest_`	`when I clicked on the system icon from pclos`
`17:46.50`	`annma`	`lostson: you don't have a package for it?`
`17:46.59`	`lostson`	`no in installed from source`
`17:47.58`	`drivamgr2006`	`guest_: do you normally use RPM's for packages on that distro?`
`17:48.16`	`guest_`	`I think its kde 3.5 waiting on konq - see again I'm missing windows title bar again?`
`17:50.27`	`drivamgr2006`	`Cause, guest_ - one thing I have always been taught is that if there isnt a package for an RPM based distro, don't compile from source. Mixing compiled stuff and RPMs is like mixing petrol with polystyrene... explosive and dangerous.`
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`17:51.27`	`drivamgr2006`	`Compiled stuff often installs things in places your system doesnt expect to go looking for them. Using packages makes it easier, since they know where to look for stuff.`
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`17:53.43`	`drivamgr2006`	`guest_: drivamgr2006 wants you to know: compiling - If you are trying to compile something on your RPM based distro, probably Mandriva, then please read this URL: http://linuxfornewbies.org/forum/index.php/topic,26.0.html`
`17:54.10`	`drivamgr2006`	`that applies to other RPM based distro's as well`
`17:54.19`	`annma`	`lostson: you don't have the source anymore?`
`17:54.27`	`lostson`	`yeah i do`
`17:54.32`	`lostson`	`looking through it now`
`17:54.37`	`drivamgr2006`	`Oh shoot.`
`17:54.46`	`drivamgr2006`	`I have been sending all the last messages to the wrong person, annma`
`17:54.53`	`lostson`	`annma: I'll be dipped if i can find where it went though`
`17:54.56`	`annma`	`lostson: make uninstall to uninstall the whole thing`
`17:55.14`	`annma`	`drivamgr2006: how come?`
`17:55.35`	`drivamgr2006`	`lostson: please read all the above stuff I directed at guest_ about compiling on an RPM based distro. It was meant for you.`
`17:55.43`	`annma`	`lol`
`17:55.52`	`lostson`	`sorry missed that`
`17:55.54`	`drivamgr2006`	`I was getting confuzzled, annma - always do when I am trying to do 4 things at once.`
`17:55.57`	`annma`	`a src rpm?`
`17:56.10`	`annma`	`lostson: ah i thought a tarball`
`17:56.30`	`lostson`	`no its a tarball`
`17:56.36`	`lostson`	`ok what the heck are we talking about here`
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`17:56.53`	`lostson`	`make uninstall did not remove the menu entry from the kontrol center either`
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`17:57.39`	`annma`	`lostson: it should!`
`17:57.45`	`lostson`	`it didnt`
`17:57.53`	`annma`	`make uninstall removes everything make install installed`
`17:58.14`	`annma`	`blame it on the package then, mail the deves`
`17:58.17`	`annma`	`devels`
`17:58.34`	`drivamgr2006`	`lostson: if you have an RPM based distribution, like FC3, FC4, Mandriva, etc... compiling is a bad idea.`
`17:58.53`	`drivamgr2006`	`lostson: drivamgr2006 wants you to know: compiling - If you are trying to compile something on your RPM based distro, probably Mandriva, then please read this URL: http://linuxfornewbies.org/forum/index.php/topic,26.0.html`
`17:59.10`	`lostson`	`i install things from source all the time i usually dont have problems and i know how to build rpm's for FC 4`
`17:59.16`	`lostson`	`thanks for the guide though`
`17:59.59`	`drivamgr2006`	`you may be better turning the source into an FC4 rpm, at least it puts everything in the right place.`
`18:00.28`	`lostson`	`i think I'm just not gonna use it`
`18:01.36`	`tech9iner`	`aaaalrighty then.. riddle me this mates?`
`18:01.57`	`tech9iner`	`wtf have i opened.. and assigned keyboard shortcut now 3x in a row..`
`18:02.04`	`tech9iner`	`went back to email.. used it`
`18:02.10`	`tech9iner`	`read bit more email`
`18:02.19`	`tech9iner`	`see another to use it on..`
`18:02.30`	`tech9iner`	`BAM?? wtf?.. nolonger there or working?`
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`18:02.38`	`tech9iner`	`in kmail btw`
`18:02.49`	`tech9iner`	`sorry.. forgot this is kde for all thangs lol`
`18:03.12`	`tech9iner`	`wtf isnt keyboard shortcut assignments retained ?!!`
`18:04.42`	`tech9iner`	`any clues please.. quite the exasparating riddle here`
`18:05.11`	`lostson`	`itsjust been that kind of days 2 in a row now`
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`18:05.38`	`oneforall`	`man weird that I get Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached whay am I getting that from konsole when i try to open 2 things`
`18:05.56`	`tech9iner`	`hmmm.. quite the mystery indeed`
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`18:06.03`	`guest_`	`kde 3.5.1`
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`18:06.11`	`oneforall`	`yup`
`18:06.30`	`oneforall`	`sure is faster now thou :)`
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`18:07.31`	`guest_`	`drivamgr2006: kde 3.5.1 is the version that is not displaying min, max, close titlebars`
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`18:07.49`	`annma`	`guest_: distro?`
`18:08.06`	`annma`	`guest_: you had a previous kde install before?`
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`18:08.35`	`oneforall`	`some config I need to edit to get rid of that ?`
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`18:09.10`	`guest_`	`yep`
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`18:09.16`	`guest_`	`pclinuxos`
`18:09.38`	`guest_`	`prelink was maxing out my 150mhz 48mb install`
`18:10.57`	`guest_`	`how do you control a windows with no controls? like konq has no min,max.close,title bar`
`18:11.02`	`tech9iner`	`no takers please?.. on kmial's mysterious arbitrary removal of assigned keyboard shortcuts?`
`18:11.35`	`kmoto`	`hi at all`
`18:11.44`	`tech9iner`	`stays for some mysterious bit of time then never know when ?? gone.. like i hadnt assigned it now 5x in a row`
`18:12.08`	`tech9iner`	`hmmm.. not boding well for kmail`
`18:12.13`	`kmoto`	`anyone who have knowlege about kresource SLOX conntector`
`18:12.18`	`kmoto`	`here ?`
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`18:18.35`	`cyberix`	`Is there KDE tools or integration for using file sharing application of GNUnet?`
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`18:20.57`	`ponto`	`Hi, when one receives encrypted mail, is it possible to let kmail store it decrypted on disk?`
`18:21.08`	`redondos`	`I can't find the option to make the focus follow the mouse cursor. Where is it?`
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`18:21.47`	`redondos`	`ponto: I haven't seen anything that would suggest it is possible. But maybe...`
`18:22.57`	`fredrikh`	`redondos: should be in the kwin settings`
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`18:24.10`	`redondos`	`Ah, I got it. Desktop -> Window manager. Duh-huh. Thanks, fredrikh.`
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`18:29.49`	`neale`	`What does the "KitchenSync Plucker Plugin" do in Konqueror? I've found zip about it on google or in the KDE help center. I'm using KDE 3.5.0.`
`18:30.11`	`neale`	`it sounds really useful but I don't know how to connect it to Kpilot.`
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`18:33.12`	`neale`	`oh, looks like kitchensync is a kpilot replacement that's not finished yet.`
`18:33.14`	`neale`	`okay, thanks.`
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`18:40.04`	`tech9iner`	`still no takers / explanation for kmails penchant to mysteriously remove my keyboard shortcut assignments?`
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`18:40.32`	`tech9iner`	`after allowing some use/application of them.. only to disappear later ?`
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`18:46.34`	`tech9iner`	`hmmmm.. tuff room .. lol.. ugh`
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`18:55.56`	`wily_`	`hi all`
`18:56.02`	`wily_`	`i've installed kde 3.5`
`18:56.11`	`wily_`	`but i've many problem with smbclient`
`18:56.35`	`wily_`	`there is anyone here?`
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`18:57.31`	`wily_`	`please... can anyone help me?`
`18:58.14`	`teatime`	`smbclient is part of Samba. has nothing to do with KDE`
`18:58.36`	`wily_`	`but it seems to be a bug`
`18:58.43`	`wily_`	`smb4k works!`
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`18:59.51`	`dec0ding`	`from today officially`
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`19:00.33`	`ainaker`	`hi all`
`19:00.40`	`dec0ding`	`hey ainaker`
`19:00.48`	`ainaker`	`I have a little problem:`
`19:00.57`	`dec0ding`	`your problem`
`19:01.00`	`dec0ding`	`hehe`
`19:01.02`	`dec0ding`	`just kidding`
`19:01.02`	`ainaker`	`I can change the preferences of a file, for opening with another app`
`19:01.02`	`dec0ding`	`:)`
`19:01.13`	`ainaker`	`but even if I save, changes dont have effect.`
`19:01.23`	`dec0ding`	`with konqueror?`
`19:01.38`	`dec0ding`	`or via Kontrol center's File Association module?`
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`19:02.20`	`ainaker`	`i did with konqueror`
`19:02.53`	`ainaker`	`i choose the file, I select "open with", and I check "remember this settings"`
`19:03.00`	`ainaker`	`but it doesnt work`
`19:03.06`	`ainaker`	`(sorry my poor english)`
`19:03.31`	`dec0ding`	`ainaker: go to konqueror again`
`19:03.44`	`ainaker`	`ok`
`19:03.45`	`ainaker`	`and?`
`19:03.53`	`dec0ding`	`Right click to a file -> Properties`
`19:04.00`	`dec0ding`	`then the Toolbox`
`19:04.13`	`dec0ding`	`there is the "Edit File type" tooltip on it`
`19:04.39`	`ainaker`	`ok i see`
`19:04.42`	`ainaker`	`let me try`
`19:05.17`	`dec0ding`	`see what is what in the list and then check if the selected file type has general options for its group`
`19:05.21`	`dec0ding`	`i.e group "image"`
`19:05.35`	`dec0ding`	`on some systems u need to relogin`
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`19:07.49`	`ainaker`	`I added a new app for that file, but still like before`
`19:08.19`	`ainaker`	`it only show one app for that kind of file.`
`19:08.49`	`dec0ding`	`u pressed apply`
`19:08.51`	`dec0ding`	`right`
`19:08.52`	`dec0ding`	`?`
`19:08.55`	`dec0ding`	`what distro u are using?`
`19:08.58`	`ainaker`	`of course.`
`19:08.59`	`ainaker`	`kubuntu`
`19:09.10`	`ainaker`	`and kde 3.4.3`
`19:09.21`	`snoozix`	`so why do i have a google search inputfield in the location toolbar of konqueror when i browse local files?`
`19:10.25`	`dec0ding`	`snoozix: that might be the search engine?`
`19:10.52`	`snoozix`	`dec0ding: exactly. but why doesn't konqueror seperate between local and internet browsing?`
`19:11.05`	`tech9iner`	`okay.. on kmail / kde 3.5.1.. does kmail 'learn' spam please?`
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`19:11.16`	`bUscher-youkai`	`I guess 64bit konqueror cant deal with 32bit flash? right?`
`19:11.21`	`dec0ding`	`tech9iner: it has "database"`
`19:11.23`	`tech9iner`	`and/or share via spamassins' public servers`
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`19:11.26`	`dec0ding`	`snoozix: I don't get it`
`19:11.36`	`snoozix`	`dec0ding: what don't you get?`
`19:11.57`	`tech9iner`	`public database on servers interaction and tracking to then dec0ding Please ? and ThankYou! ;]`
`19:11.58`	`ohad`	`hello, can someone please help me? i need that an executable will run every time my suse restarts`
`19:11.59`	`dec0ding`	`snoozix: exactly what u get when u type internet address in the box?`
`19:12.12`	`dec0ding`	`tech9iner: not sure if it gets remotely data`
`19:12.16`	`dec0ding`	`tech9iner: that would be stupid`
`19:12.16`	`tech9iner`	`ThankYou! ;]`
`19:12.24`	`snoozix`	`dec0ding: i think you don't understand what i'm talking about :)`
`19:12.32`	`tech9iner`	`????... stupid?..`
`19:12.34`	`tech9iner`	`rofl`
`19:12.34`	`dec0ding`	`snoozix: I guess no`
`19:12.46`	`dec0ding`	`just like MS does for collecting data and putting it without asking the user`
`19:12.52`	`dec0ding`	`tech9iner: ^`
`19:13.26`	`tech9iner`	`okaaaay the.. kinda like cooperative OSS databases in support of adaware then dec0ding ?`
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`19:13.50`	`dec0ding`	`tech9iner: not sure, spamassasing works good here`
`19:13.50`	`dec0ding`	`:)`
`19:14.03`	`dec0ding`	`tech9iner: i.e. it recognizes that V1agra is actually Viagra`
`19:14.16`	`tech9iner`	`well spamassin on evolution does share with public servers`
`19:14.30`	`snoozix`	`dec0ding: http://snooze.mine.nu/konq.jpg`
`19:14.31`	`dec0ding`	`for updating its database?`
`19:14.38`	`tech9iner`	`aye that of course`
`19:14.48`	`snoozix`	`dec0ding: that google thing in the upper right`
`19:15.07`	`dec0ding`	`snoozix: what about it`
`19:15.16`	`tech9iner`	`why should i have to specify each damned spam by meself when me mates worldwide on shared database can save each other major time`
`19:15.30`	`dec0ding`	`tech9iner: cant help on that`
`19:15.39`	`dec0ding`	`tech9iner: use gmail, it has spam solutions`
`19:15.42`	`dec0ding`	`anti*`
`19:16.08`	`tech9iner`	`i do use gmail chap.. have been since before it was publicly available lol`
`19:16.11`	`kumbayo`	`hi, does anybody know a way to make KDE load parts from a specific path / like using LD_LIBRARY_PATH`
`19:16.42`	`dec0ding`	`kumbayo: libraries ?`
`19:16.46`	`dec0ding`	`or executables?`
`19:17.00`	`kumbayo`	`a part so a library`
`19:17.17`	`dec0ding`	`ahh not sure`
`19:17.19`	`tech9iner`	`i just know that last 4+yrs on evolution 2 i received handful of spam.. on kmail im having to manually assign spam to many many emails.. may just take a bit to retrain new spamassin data.. not sure`
`19:17.33`	`tech9iner`	`letme correct that`
`19:17.34`	`dec0ding`	`tech9iner: I had that problem myself`
`19:17.42`	`dec0ding`	`and solved it with reorganizing the filters`
`19:17.45`	`kumbayo`	`dec0ding: for debugging a programm with parts without installing`
`19:17.54`	`tech9iner`	`i received lots of spam.. but 98% of it went directly to my spam folder..`
`19:18.15`	`dec0ding`	`kumbayo: not sure`
`19:18.19`	`tech9iner`	`only handful was sorted to me inbox`
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`19:18.44`	`snoozix`	`dec0ding: i just want to disable it :)`
`19:18.44`	`_hpk`	`hallo`
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`19:21.56`	`dec0ding`	`snoozix: sorry, I was on the phone`
`19:22.06`	`dec0ding`	`snoozix: u want to disable the search engine box ?`
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`19:26.16`	`Psi-Jack`	`Does KDE actually make any use of xrdb resources ever? Or can it?`
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`19:27.37`	`JasonR`	`Can KDE, specificaly Konsole, make use of Xresources entries?`
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`19:28.22`	`StevenR`	`JasonR: like what? those entries are for app config...konsole uses its own config system, rather than forcing the user to edit Xresources`
`19:28.37`	`Psi-Jack`	`StevenR: Forcing? LOL`
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`19:29.13`	`StevenR`	`Psi-Jack: I'm mostly of the opinion that a good gui app should have a gui config method.`
`19:29.48`	`Psi-Jack`	`StevenR: Had KDE decided to make use of existing X standards, xrdb, KDE could be using it. However, they obviously decided to go on their own route, and reiimplement the wheel.`
`19:30.25`	`Psi-Jack`	`Other t hat that, everything about KDE is great stuff. ;}`
`19:30.29`	`StevenR`	`Psi-Jack: it's not a standard, most X apps do not use it`
`19:30.54`	`Psi-Jack`	`StevenR: It /is/ a standard. Most common-day apps don't use it. Not most X apps.`
`19:31.13`	`annma`	`how do you want it to be used in KDE?`
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`19:31.26`	`JasonR`	`StevenR: I have entries in my Xresources to configure the font, colors, etc for all the terms I use (Xterm, Rxvt, etc) so I was hoping to be able to use that for Konsole as well. That way I can make changes in one place and it applies everywhere.`
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`19:31.54`	`StevenR`	`JasonR: but they're all separate entries in Xresources?`
`19:32.11`	`Psi-Jack`	`annma: It would actually be nice to use it, /instead/ of all those .kde/* files. It /can/ do it all, and you wouldn't actually have to constantly reload .config files all the time, using xrdb.`
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`19:32.37`	`annma`	`you eanit's a config system?`
`19:32.53`	`JasonR`	`Yes. I use #define to set aliases for the colors and then assign all of them to the individual terms. So I change one entry and merge xrdb and then all terms can be updated when executed again.`
`19:32.58`	`Psi-Jack`	`annma: It's an X environment system.`
`19:33.13`	`StevenR`	`JasonR: ahh, i see...well konsole doesn't do that afaik`
`19:33.49`	`annma`	`trouble is KDE is not only for X`
`19:33.51`	`JasonR`	`:-( Do you know off the top of your head where the config for Konsole is saved in the home dir?`
`19:34.03`	`annma`	`have to log out and back in`
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`19:34.08`	`Psi-Jack`	`annma: Hmmm. What else does KDE run on other than X?`
`19:34.15`	`annma`	`OSX`
`19:34.27`	`Psi-Jack`	`Hmm. True..`
`19:34.48`	`JasonR`	`Psi-jack: There is a Windows port of KDE, but I don't know if it requires X or not. I tried it out a year or two ago.`
`19:35.33`	`Psi-Jack`	`hehe`
`19:35.38`	`Psi-Jack`	`I've never tried the port.`
`19:35.52`	`StevenR`	`kde on OSX uses X11 afaik, so xrdb should work`
`19:35.57`	`Psi-Jack`	`annma: However, OSX has freebsd under the hood, and does in fact, use an X implementation beneath Aqua. So, in effect, OSX might too use an xrdb-compatible system. :)`
`19:36.11`	`Psi-Jack`	`StevenR: That's basically.. What I have ready to inform annma. :)`
`19:36.14`	`_mastermind`	`O :) I just came to talk about porting a KDE app to Windows :)`
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`19:36.47`	`StevenR`	`Psi-Jack: no, OSX does not use X11, it uses Quartz beneath aqua, but can add X11 into the mix as an extra app.`
`19:36.59`	`Psi-Jack`	`Ahh. :)`
`19:37.11`	`_mastermind`	`Have little problems compiling KDELibs 3.5 in Windows, using Cygwin ..`
`19:37.14`	`Psi-Jack`	`annma: As StevenR said, KDE on OSX uses X11. So it /should/ also have xrdb. :)`
`19:37.31`	`kumbayo`	`dec0ding: Just solved my prblem the lazy way = LD_PRELOAD`
`19:37.31`	`StevenR`	`Psi-Jack: but afaik KDE on OSX would use x11, cos it would JustWork, so it could use xrdb`
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`19:37.46`	`dec0ding`	`kumbayo: good`
`19:38.05`	`annma`	`Psi-Jack: but that would need a whole refactoring of KDE config system`
`19:38.14`	`annma`	`what would we gain?`
`19:38.17`	`JasonR`	`_mastermind: Have you looked at http://kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net/ ?`
`19:38.43`	`Psi-Jack`	`annma: Centralization of configuration methods. Unix standardization, which KDE has followed quite well, except some specific areas. And speed.`
`19:38.45`	`annma`	`_mastermind: no ned to ask #kde-devel`
`19:39.18`	`_mastermind`	`I was doing it by this: http://www.kdelibs.com/wiki/index.php/KDElibs3_Installation`
`19:39.20`	`dec0ding`	`why would anyone use kde on windows`
`19:39.22`	`annma`	`who follows that standard?`
`19:39.40`	`Psi-Jack`	`annma: It used to be followed quite heavily, until Gnome and KDE both started coming out.`
`19:39.49`	`annma`	`so now who follows it?`
`19:40.09`	`annma`	`is it a free desktop project?`
`19:40.10`	`Psi-Jack`	`Good question. I don't know anymor.e LOL`
`19:40.23`	`Psi-Jack`	`annma: No, it's natively part of X.`
`19:40.33`	`annma`	`seems fishy`
`19:40.38`	`annma`	`why do you advertize it?`
`19:40.47`	`Psi-Jack`	`Fishy? It's been in X since the beginning...`
`19:41.41`	`annma`	`make a proposal about it via bugs.kde.org with a suggested API for KDE and the advantages of using it versus other systems`
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`19:41.59`	`Psi-Jack`	`annma: because, as I said, KDE has followed many nice Unix-ish style of programming. For example, how Kontact actually embeds programs into it, rather than re-inventing the wheel and making it a completely seperate program entirely.`
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`19:42.30`	`annma`	`Psi-Jack: make a proposal versus current API`
`19:42.48`	`annma`	`with facts`
`19:42.55`	`Psi-Jack`	`of course.`
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`19:43.06`	`annma`	`because at the moment you are not very precise`
`19:46.51`	`Psi-Jack`	`annma: Some ways it would actually be faster, it using xrdb methods, there would be no need to re-load config files, everytime you did something, for example. Simply reading the xrdb environment. A configuration change could update a xrdb file, and merge it in, and be done for the time being, until any further changes were done.`
`19:47.16`	`annma`	`reload?`
`19:47.25`	`annma`	`when do you reload config files?`
`19:47.42`	`Psi-Jack`	`Yeah. Everytime you load a program, say Konsole, it reads it's configuration file, does it not?`
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`19:47.54`	`annma`	`currently a config change is immediately written in the file`
`19:48.11`	`annma`	`yes it reads it`
`19:48.17`	`annma`	`it does not load it`
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`19:48.26`	`annma`	`nor does it reload it`
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`19:48.44`	`Psi-Jack`	`annma: If using xrdb, it could just read the xrdb environment, and be completely disk-less regarding configuration.`
`19:48.50`	`annma`	`currently config changes update kde config files`
`19:48.54`	`EvilGuru`	`how much effort would be required to implement the changes that you propose?`
`19:49.11`	`annma`	`Psi-Jack: so what if a setting change? when is it written?`
`19:49.23`	`Psi-Jack`	`freddie: LOL. Probably quite a bit. ;-) Since KDE never started off using it from the start. :p`
`19:49.34`	`freddie`	`and what would we get out of it`
`19:49.38`	`annma`	`Psi-Jack: so what if a setting changes? when is it written?`
`19:49.44`	`freddie`	`(by we I mean the end user)`
`19:49.50`	`annma`	`say you run konsole, you change the background`
`19:49.57`	`annma`	`when is that change written?`
`19:50.22`	`annma`	`Psi-Jack: ?`
`19:50.25`	`Psi-Jack`	`annma: As soon as you apply, it the main difference would be, writing to an xrdb-style configuration, and then merging it to xrdb.`
`19:50.33`	`annma`	`you said diskless`
`19:50.45`	`freddie`	`it probably writes the change to a buffer`
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`19:50.52`	`annma`	`eeerk`
`19:50.56`	`freddie`	`which will not get flushed until the kernel is low on memory`
`19:50.59`	`Psi-Jack`	`annma: For loading, yes. If you want to /keep/ configurations, you still have to save it to disk.`
`19:51.03`	`freddie`	`or it is force to be flushed`
`19:51.17`	`rdale`	`with the kde config system you can do stuff like lock down konsole with a kiosk mode profile.`
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`19:51.50`	`annma`	`at the moment, kde config system needs a few loc to work flawessly, from devel point of view`
`19:51.57`	`annma`	`Psi-Jack: ^^ think about that`
`19:52.24`	`annma`	`I can do config stuff in 5 minutes for my app`
`19:52.35`	`Psi-Jack`	`annma: OKay. Can you imagine one single configuration file for every possible KDE configuration option? :)`
`19:52.47`	`annma`	`surely not`
`19:53.15`	`annma`	`i don't mean the config structure, Psi-Jack`
`19:53.16`	`Psi-Jack`	`Then you do not understand the functionality xrdb /can/ provide. However, it doesn't have to be one file, it could be multiple like KDE uses now. ;)`
`19:53.18`	`annma`	`I mean the code`
`19:53.26`	`annma`	`KDE code`
`19:54.10`	`annma`	`a single file would not be a plus for users`
`19:54.20`	`annma`	`except for resetting it all`
`19:54.27`	`freddie`	`pleas excuse my if I am missing something, but what is wrong with the current way of doing it`
`19:54.43`	`freddie`	`*me`
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`19:57.00`	`Psi-Jack`	`freddie: Wrong with it? Hmm. It's spread out all over the fracking place, for one. That can be both a good, and bad thing, however, there.`
`19:57.56`	`Psi-Jack`	`It's not using the native environment X itself provides, and has provided for many generations. And KDE and Gnome both completely neglected to continue to use it, for whatever reasons.`
`19:58.45`	`freddie`	`my kernel provides sound drivers`
`19:58.53`	`freddie`	`but it does not mean that they are better`
`19:59.18`	`annma`	`if both kde and gnome dropped it and noone else uses it there must be something`
`19:59.28`	`annma`	`wrong with it`
`19:59.57`	`Psi-Jack`	`annma: rxvt, xterm, eterm, and stuff still use it. Motif and friends, still also use it.`
`20:00.12`	`annma`	`wow`
`20:00.16`	`annma`	`Motif?`
`20:00.25`	`Psi-Jack`	`Motif has always used it, yes.`
`20:00.28`	`annma`	`but ... who uses Motif?`
`20:00.30`	`freddie`	`I am put off already....`
`20:00.36`	`Psi-Jack`	`Motif and motif-based software. ;)`
`20:01.05`	`Psi-Jack`	`freddie: That's EXACTLY the only reason I can see it got dropped. Ignorance.`
`20:01.05`	`freddie`	`even hardcore Motif fanboys admit that GTK/Qt is better`
`20:01.11`	`annma`	`is there any motif-based software left?`
`20:01.15`	`freddie`	`yep`
`20:01.22`	`Psi-Jack`	`freddie: KDE /IS/ better.`
`20:01.31`	`freddie`	`people who use commercial unixes and use cde`
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`20:02.21`	`annma`	`anyway form the devel point of view you need an API`
`20:02.36`	`annma`	`and it'll be hard to be better than the one we have`
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`20:03.04`	`freddie`	`unless the new one is just a wrapper`
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`20:03.10`	`annma`	`wrappers are bad`
`20:03.20`	`freddie`	`yep`
`20:03.24`	`freddie`	`trying to be something you're not`
`20:03.36`	`annma`	`adding clutter`
`20:04.03`	`annma`	`Psi-Jack: are you a developer?`
`20:05.06`	`guest_`	`ok so back to my kde 3.5.1 windows issue`
`20:05.47`	`Psi-Jack`	`annma: Not for C/C++ based software, no. But I do program.`
`20:08.38`	`freddie`	`Psi-Jack: What languages do you prgoram in`
`20:09.42`	`Psi-Jack`	`Perl, Python, PHP, Ruby, mostly these days. I've done Java, Pascal, Fortran, ASM, Cobol and others, but those, except for Java, are mostly in the distant past.`
`20:10.48`	`freddie`	`I myself am mostly an end user`
`20:10.49`	`sk`	`will the config system for KDE4 be modular?`
`20:10.49`	`freddie`	`but do not see how I will benefit from this propsoed change`
`20:10.59`	`freddie`	`as far as I can see it will take a lot of development hours`
`20:11.05`	`freddie`	`for not much real progress`
`20:11.58`	`StevenR`	`annma: there's alot of motif software out there, most of the electronics simulation software is motif at uni`
`20:12.55`	`annma`	`not so commonly used I mean`
`20:13.02`	`annma`	`skypa: modular?`
`20:13.15`	`annma`	`sk: modular?`
`20:13.15`	`skypa`	`dirty tab user :>`
`20:13.24`	`annma`	`sorry skypa`
`20:13.39`	`skypa`	`:p`
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`20:16.00`	`sk`	`annma: i recall reading something about different config backends being tested.... i might have misunderstood`
`20:16.10`	`neighborlee`	`is there a plugin for kmix ( or a alternative) to be able to enable mic boost ?`
`20:17.01`	`pinotree`	`neighborlee: i have it in the Switches tab of kmix`
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`20:17.58`	`neighborlee`	`odd`
`20:18.05`	`neighborlee`	`all I have are output and input tabs`
`20:18.15`	`freddie`	`I have it there too...`
`20:18.30`	`neighborlee`	`kde 3.5.1`
`20:18.38`	`pinotree`	`me too`
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`20:23.08`	`pinotree`	`evening sredna`
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`20:25.42`	`sredna`	`Olleh pinotree, *`
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`20:34.54`	`neighborlee`	`would the switches tab not be there if I was missing some sound module perhaps ?`
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`20:36.57`	`dec0ding`	`when I press Ctrl in konqueror I get tooltips everywhere the window on the website I am on`
`20:37.00`	`dec0ding`	`what are they for? o0`
`20:37.01`	`guest_`	`how do I using the keyboard move application arround the screen"?`
`20:37.16`	`pinotree`	`dec0ding: they're the access keys`
`20:37.26`	`pinotree`	`dec0ding: disable them pressing again Ctrl`
`20:37.26`	`dec0ding`	`pinotree: like accelerators/`
`20:37.27`	`dec0ding`	`?`
`20:37.31`	`pinotree`	`yep`
`20:37.41`	`dec0ding`	`pinotree: ctrl+<the key> goes to the link ?`
`20:37.45`	`dec0ding`	`cause it doesn't :))`
`20:37.52`	`pinotree`	`no, just the <key>`
`20:37.58`	`lyy`	`join #gnome`
`20:38.03`	`dec0ding`	`aaaa`
`20:38.05`	`dec0ding`	`great`
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`20:38.15`	`pinotree`	`lyy: tssss`
`20:38.21`	`lyy`	`hahahha`
`20:38.23`	`lyy`	`:D`
`20:38.27`	`pinotree`	`ell: are you ellen?`
`20:38.29`	`guest_`	`how do I using the keyboard move application arround the screen"?`
`20:38.30`	`pinotree`	`;)`
`20:38.47`	`pinotree`	`guest_: sorry?`
`20:38.55`	`dec0ding`	`pinotree: can I disable that?`
`20:39.01`	`Andy5201987`	`Hi. Does anybody know where I can get kopete v.0.10.9 for Debian Stable/Testing...� (as a deb package)`
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`20:39.12`	`lyy`	`wow, #gnome is so empty`
`20:39.29`	`pinotree`	`dec0ding: yeah, search for a blog entry of celeste paul (iirc)`
`20:39.31`	`dec0ding`	`Andy5201987: Afaik there is no separate package for Kopete, it goes with kde network packages`
`20:39.37`	`dec0ding`	`pinotree: thanks`
`20:39.48`	`Andy5201987`	`so what can I do instead then?`
`20:39.56`	`guest_`	`I want to move konq from half off the screen but in my kde 3.5.1 install its not giving me windows outlines of appliaoons so I cannot just click on the application`
`20:40.01`	`Andy5201987`	`on the site, there's v.0.10.1 and v.0.10.3`
`20:40.07`	`Andy5201987`	`then .0.12`
`20:40.15`	`Andy5201987`	`but nothing in between`
`20:40.26`	`pinotree`	`neighborlee: if you execute alsamixer in a console and you scroll the view, do you have tha<t switch?`
`20:40.32`	`smileaf`	`0.12 should be for kde 3.5 I think`
`20:40.44`	`Andy5201987`	`well I don't have kde 3.5`
`20:40.52`	`smileaf`	`nope.. 0.11.1 is kde 3.5.1`
`20:40.58`	`smileaf`	`there shouldn't be a 0.12.....`
`20:41.11`	`Andy5201987`	`well theres 0.12 alpha 1`
`20:41.12`	`pinotree`	`0.12 of kopete is a separate branch`
`20:41.23`	`pinotree`	`for that, i suggest you asking in #kopeye`
`20:41.28`	`pinotree`	`#kopete`
`20:41.28`	`smileaf`	`oh alpha :)`
`20:41.37`	`Andy5201987`	`I'm not trying to use Alpha`
`20:41.47`	`Andy5201987`	`I'm in that chat right now and not getting anywhere`
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`20:42.55`	`Andy5201987`	`I'm in this one`
`20:43.05`	`Andy5201987`	`#kopete and #debian and not getting any help`
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`20:43.32`	`Andy5201987`	`I even went on to #ubuntu #kubuntu and #xandros w/ no help at all`
`20:44.06`	`Andy5201987`	`so I figured to go to the root of the source`
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`20:50.10`	`point`	`hi i am trying to install kde 3.4.1 as described in blfs 6.1 but am getting errors during the compilation of kdemultimedia. this is what i get:`
`20:50.19`	`point`	`http://pastebin.linuxfromscratch.org/?show=2163`
`20:50.50`	`guest_`	`I want to move konq from half off the screen but in my kde 3.5.1 install its not giving me windows outlines of appliaoons so I cannot just click on the application`
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`20:51.23`	`guest_`	`how do i move applications using the keyboard and not the kicker`
`20:51.25`	`tstaerk`	`point: strange, seems like a coding bug`
`20:51.40`	`point`	`noone has axperienced similar?`
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`20:51.48`	`point`	`*experienced`
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`20:53.52`	`tstaerk`	`point, give it a try and replace -> by .`
`20:53.57`	`annma`	`point: moment, i have a look`
`20:54.20`	`annma`	`point: is that the first copile error?`
`20:54.38`	`annma`	`point: next time paste the last compiling line`
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`20:57.58`	`xz`	`anyone know how to sort contacts by status in kopete ?`
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`20:59.43`	`point`	`annma: i will do...`
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`21:01.37`	`point`	`http://pastebin.linuxfromscratch.org/?show=2164`
`21:02.32`	`point`	`annma: that's your lot`
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`21:02.33`	`annma`	the error is /usr/include/tunepimp/tp_c.h:645: error: too few arguments to function `int tp_AddFile(void, const char, int)'
`21:02.42`	`annma`	`so libtunepimp seems bad`
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`21:02.53`	`annma`	`did you ask in lfs channel?`
`21:03.05`	`point`	`yea. noone answered`
`21:03.27`	`point`	`i'll have a look at maybe compiling an older version of tunepimp?`
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`21:04.10`	`smileaf`	`another LFS'er? :D`
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`21:05.06`	`point`	`yea`
`21:05.57`	`point`	`actully, i have been working on this system since august 2005 but because of school and rather playing cs (on windows :( ) i kinda haven't finished it...yet`
`21:06.27`	`smileaf`	`I'm still chrooted into my system from a gentoo install ;)`
`21:06.49`	`Fri13`	`is KDE "color correction" (from desktop > monitor) accurate?`
`21:06.53`	`point`	`hehe`
`21:07.01`	`smileaf`	`tho my thing is I'm making a bash package manager and wanna make custom init scripts.`
`21:07.03`	`annma`	`working?`
`21:07.30`	`smileaf`	`or at least a set of init scripts that I like :)`
`21:07.34`	`point`	`hehe`
`21:08.47`	`point`	`do you mean working referring to my attempts at compilation or working regarding my remark about me bulding my system annma?`
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`21:10.40`	`point`	`god i hate punching in tar -xjvf filename, prematurely pressing enter and finding out it is a gzip archive :P`
`21:11.07`	`smileaf`	`point: make a script`
`21:11.14`	`asdf_`	`file filename`
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`21:15.10`	`smileaf`	`point: http://beta.smileaf.org/files/unpack.sh`
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`21:16.14`	`point`	`thanks`
`21:16.27`	`point`	`i was thinking of making something similar anyway`
`21:16.39`	`smileaf`	`just updated it.`
`21:16.49`	`smileaf`	`re-read it and found a small bug ;)`
`21:17.27`	`point`	`ok`
`21:17.27`	`smileaf`	`probably should add support for zip and tar.`
`21:17.57`	`point`	`hmm yea`
`21:20.08`	`smileaf`	`tho I don't even have zip installed yet.. lol`
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`21:21.58`	`empty_mind`	`my kde crashed upon login saying KbuildSycoca crashed and caused a signal 6 error.`
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`21:22.03`	`empty_mind`	`what could be wong ?`
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`21:22.22`	`_m0ns00n`	`Hey`
`21:22.25`	`annma`	`some config settings`
`21:22.27`	`empty_mind`	`now kde freezes at initializing peripherals and i could not login to kde`
`21:22.28`	`annma`	`try a new user`
`21:22.32`	`_m0ns00n`	`Is there a channel where I can get in touch with the krita developers?`
`21:22.39`	`annma`	`#koffice`
`21:22.47`	`annma`	`official KOffice channel`
`21:22.54`	`_m0ns00n`	`Ok`
`21:22.55`	`_m0ns00n`	`Thanks`
`21:22.59`	`annma`	`:) see you there`
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`21:24.15`	`Tman`	`is there a way that I can disable alt+click moving for specific applications only?`
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`21:25.12`	`annma`	`what is alt-click?`
`21:25.34`	`Fri13`	`Tman: you mean alt+leftmousebutton ?`
`21:25.39`	`Tman`	`right`
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`21:26.51`	`Andy5201987`	`Hi`
`21:26.53`	`Andy5201987`	`Andy again`
`21:26.59`	`Andy5201987`	`I am wanting to know`
`21:27.14`	`Andy5201987`	`how can I set the deb repository for KDE v.3.4.3`
`21:27.34`	`Andy5201987`	`for debian sarge`
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`21:28.27`	`Andy5201987`	`I know how to put them in sources.list files`
`21:28.47`	`Andy5201987`	`I just need the deb http://example site to download the kde deb files`
`21:28.58`	`annma`	`Andy5201987: #debian-kde`
`21:29.04`	`annma`	`and read the FAQ`
`21:29.13`	`Andy5201987`	`FAQ where?`
`21:29.26`	`annma`	`in the #debian-kde channel topic`
`21:29.32`	`Andy5201987`	`ok`
`21:29.34`	`Andy5201987`	`thanks`
`21:29.36`	`Andy5201987`	`over and out`
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`22:05.38`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`a`
`22:05.42`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`ok`
`22:07.21`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`right, well, problem is simple. i get this when using wine : Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached Application tries to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly`
`22:07.40`	`pinotree`	`export DISPLAY=:0`
`22:07.46`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`i'm using nvidia driver, as a user and am in kde`
`22:08.11`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`right, now i've never had to do that before, what does it do ?`
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`22:08.37`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`because i've used wine a while now, but never had to do that`
`22:09.03`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`does it mean the display connection isn't set or not set properly ?`
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`22:09.28`	`pinotree`	`are you running wine as same user as logged?`
`22:09.36`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`yes`
`22:10.07`	`pinotree`	`execute env \| grep DISPLAY in a console`
`22:10.19`	`pinotree`	`what does it return?`
`22:10.33`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`DISPLAY=:0.0`
`22:11.01`	`pinotree`	`and from the same console that executed wine?`
`22:11.07`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`it is`
`22:11.12`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`only use one`
`22:11.30`	`pinotree`	`that's weird, then`
`22:11.35`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`do i need to change it to 0 rather than 0.0 ?`
`22:11.40`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`is there a difference ?`
`22:11.43`	`pinotree`	`should not`
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`22:12.01`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`how do i reset it ?`
`22:12.08`	`pinotree`	`no need to reset it`
`22:12.12`	`pinotree`	`it's set correctly`
`22:12.12`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`so kde sets it when i start it`
`22:12.22`	`pinotree`	`not kde, any de`
`22:12.24`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`ok`
`22:12.33`	`pinotree`	`because you are graphically logged`
`22:13.09`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`i tried glxgears for the graphics driver and that works fine`
`22:13.14`	`pinotree`	`may i suggest you to ask that in #wine ?`
`22:13.29`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`have you seen how many people are in #wine ?`
`22:13.31`	`pinotree`	`as it seems to be wine-specific`
`22:13.39`	`pinotree`	`no, never been there`
`22:13.46`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`they don't have a channel`
`22:14.21`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`they get too many people asking how to install it, so only have a mailing list that people guess what to do`
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`22:15.02`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`i was hoping it was something to do with the display config in kde`
`22:15.28`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`but if that's fine then , i've got a problem`
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`22:16.13`	`luisito`	`hi`
`22:16.31`	`luisito`	`I need some little help here`
`22:16.46`	`luisito`	`I want the trash Icon in the Desktop`
`22:16.59`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`on to the next. thanks for the attention pinotree`
`22:17.12`	`pinotree`	`no problem`
`22:17.44`	`Jimisjimwhoisjim`	`btw, please please please, configure kde so it doesn't automatically make a 'Desktop' folder on start by default :)`
`22:18.06`	`luisito`	`I use kubuntu. I can see the icon in a folder view but in the Desktop it doesn't show.`
`22:18.50`	`pinotree`	`luisito: open kate`
`22:19.09`	`pinotree`	`open the file ~/Desktop/thrash.desktop in utf8 mode`
`22:19.19`	`snoozix`	`http://snooze.mine.nu/konq.jpg < anyone a clue how i can disable the google search bar?`
`22:19.32`	`snoozix`	`i just wouldn't like to see it in my file browser.`
`22:19.59`	`luisito`	`ok`
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`22:20.43`	`pinotree`	`snoozix: when in file browsing mode, Settings -> configre extensions`
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`22:21.34`	`luisito`	`pinotree: now I should put the hidden=true to false?`
`22:21.38`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: nice, but now it hides when i use konqueror as a web browser, too.`
`22:21.58`	`pinotree`	`luisito: exactly, right :)`
`22:22.11`	`pinotree`	`snoozix: sure it does?`
`22:22.55`	`luisito`	`pinotree: my GOD! I didn't know you can put that info in UTF-8 for a file using kate`
`22:22.57`	`dec0ding`	`how to make Konzole show user@host# instead od bash-3.00#`
`22:23.00`	`dec0ding`	`Konsole*`
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`22:23.38`	`pinotree`	`luisito: then save, and the thras will be visible from the next login`
`22:23.40`	`Parkotron`	`snoozix: Settings \| Configure Toolbars \| Search Toolbar, then remove the search bar item.`
`22:23.58`	`Gentle`	`dec0ding, konsole --ls`
`22:24.03`	`snoozix`	`Parkotron: i did and i just told you that this also removes the google search bar item in normal web browsing mode.`
`22:24.22`	`snoozix`	`Parkotron: but thanks, that worked :)`
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`22:24.40`	`dec0ding`	`Gentle: thanks`
`22:25.26`	`snoozix`	`if one would want to make a desktop icon for konqueror as a file manager, would he add a link to "~" or is there another binary than just "konqueror"?`
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`22:25.54`	`pinotree`	`snoozix: specifying a path`
`22:26.03`	`luisito`	`pinotree: thank you`
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`22:26.22`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: hm allright. can i have text under the button icons?`
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`22:26.36`	`pinotree`	`in toolbars?`
`22:26.37`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: for prev, next, dirup, home, reload, stop?`
`22:26.42`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: yes?`
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`22:26.52`	`pinotree`	`right click on the toolbar`
`22:27.02`	`snoozix`	`ah thx`
`22:27.24`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: so, why i s there a reload and a stop button in file browsing mode? it's senseless, isn't it?`
`22:27.53`	`pinotree`	`i think no`
`22:28.03`	`pinotree`	`because you can also browse non local protocols`
`22:28.08`	`Parkotron`	`snoozix: try kfmclient openProfile 'filemanagement'`
`22:28.11`	`pinotree`	`eg fish:/, smb:/ etc`
`22:28.29`	`snoozix`	`Parkotron: looks exactly the same.`
`22:28.50`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: nice, but why don't those icons appear just THEN and not also when i browse local?`
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`22:29.12`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: i guess it would just make sense to have it that way.`
`22:29.34`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: especially if konqueror features both, webbrowser and filemanager.`
`22:29.37`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: and it just does :)`
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`22:29.58`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: just correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't get your point?!`
`22:30.08`	`pinotree`	`the mode is always browsing, so i guess hiding those buttons could confuse the users`
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`22:30.11`	`Parkotron`	`snoozix: It is, but you don't have to specify a "~" or any other URL. Sorry I guess I didn't understand what you were asking.`
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`22:30.25`	`snoozix`	`hehe`
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`22:30.54`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: hm, so is there any way to use konqueror as filemanager only? or is there one of the development team i could bother with such a wish?`
`22:31.16`	`StevenR`	`how do i save juk's default volume so that it comes up at the same volume each time I start it?`
`22:31.35`	`snoozix`	`StevenR: use the hardware mixer? guess`
`22:31.55`	`StevenR`	`snoozix: but that's set for the rest of the system, so there's is enough range`
`22:32.11`	`StevenR`	`snoozix: juk has its own volume control, but it doesn't seem to save it`
`22:32.15`	`snoozix`	`StevenR: sorry, i use xmms or amaroK!`
`22:32.29`	`snoozix`	`StevenR: and there's no option to let you save it?`
`22:33.03`	`StevenR`	`snoozix: not afaict`
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`22:34.07`	`snoozix`	`ok, now for something really difficult - i got twinview with 2 monitors on a 6600gt and it works pretty with kde. in some other window managers, the primary monitor is my RIGHT monitor, which should be the secondary. i think it's an issue with /etc/X11/xorg.conf but i don't know what to do especially because kde handles EVERYTHING correctly.`
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`22:34.32`	`snoozix`	`_superstoned: you smoke way too much.`
`22:34.40`	`luisito`	`pinotree: how can I use the location bar more efficiently? what can I do with it?`
`22:35.02`	`snoozix`	`luisito: typing in sexy locations :-)`
`22:35.02`	`_superstoned`	`snoozix: why this time :D`
`22:35.17`	`snoozix`	`_superstoned: this is the first time we meet, so why not now? :)`
`22:35.23`	`luisito`	`pinotree: jejejje :)`
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`22:35.40`	`snoozix`	`luisito: try ~/pr0n/ :)`
`22:35.51`	`pinotree`	`luisito: ehm... what do you mean for "efficiently" ?`
`22:36.12`	`_superstoned`	`luisito: try gg:(blabla) and other things, check settings -> webshortcuts...`
`22:36.47`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: hm, i rethought about it and i think it would not confuse anyone at all if the reload and stop buttons would be hidden.`
`22:36.53`	`luisito`	`pinotree: I mean, take all the benefits of it.`
`22:37.12`	`luisito`	`snoozix: I can't find that`
`22:38.01`	`snoozix`	`luisito: maybe it's just ~/porn/ or ~/xxx/ - don't know.`
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`22:38.28`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: the thing is...`
`22:38.31`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: uhm`
`22:38.42`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: i think i'm using firefox and opera as web browsers.`
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`22:38.57`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: so why not trying to let konqueror just be my file manager only?`
`22:39.09`	`luisito`	`snoozix: now I get your point!! jejej`
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`22:39.35`	`pinotree`	`snoozix: nobody force you to use konqueror also as web browser if you use it as a file manager`
`22:39.51`	`pinotree`	`if you want to use it only for file managmente, use it only for that`
`22:39.58`	`luisito`	`pinotree: for example: I can show or hide the icons using the location bar with a command or something?`
`22:40.08`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: but then it would be nice to be disable those buttons.`
`22:40.25`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: also, "bookmarks, history" and stuff.`
`22:40.33`	`pinotree`	`snoozix: what about settings -> configure toolbars ?`
`22:40.46`	`pinotree`	`luisito: icons like?`
`22:41.05`	`pinotree`	`luisito: the location bar aloows you to reach a particular location`
`22:41.07`	`oneforall`	`how do i fix this ? Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server`
`22:41.07`	`oneforall`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:41.07`	`oneforall`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:41.20`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: ah, great!`
`22:41.49`	`oneforall`	`I can't have more than 3 things open`
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`22:42.01`	`oneforall`	`3.5.1 I'm using`
`22:42.12`	`pinotree`	`oneforall: what did you do to get that error message?`
`22:42.28`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: especially i would like an option that seperates konqueror views between webbrowsing and filemanaging, but i think that would be a feature request/wish for future version.`
`22:42.32`	`luisito`	`pinotree: ok, no tricks there, that is what I wanted to know ;)`
`22:42.53`	`pinotree`	`snoozix: settings -> profiles -> ...`
`22:42.54`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: but it's already really pretty, thanks a lot!`
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`22:43.28`	`pinotree`	`luisito: well, the "tricks" could be the various protocol you can type in the location bar`
`22:43.34`	`_superstoned`	`snoozix, pinotree: isn't this already there, you can see the toolbar changing if you go from filebrowsing to webbrowsing. also extensions change etc...`
`22:43.57`	`oneforall`	`I have xchat open ,konsole, and had konq open(but before that I had mozilla open) then no matter if I start an app from desktop,menu or from konsole to see the error . Thats what I get`
`22:44.01`	`pinotree`	`like file:/ is for local files, http:// is for the http protocol etc`
`22:44.07`	`hussam`	`how do I get kmail to automatically compact folders on start or exit?`
`22:44.33`	`luisito`	`pinotree: ok... I have to find some help about that`
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`22:44.57`	`pinotree`	`luisito: for example, open kinfocenter and select the protocols tab`
`22:45.41`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: thanks a lot!`
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`22:45.56`	`pinotree`	`np`
`22:46.20`	`razielworthy`	`i have suse linux and can't setup 3d acceleration right i have nvidia 6200tc`
`22:47.17`	`oneforall`	`brb`
`22:47.46`	`luisito`	`pinotree: can't find protocol tab. Here I have tar`
`22:48.30`	`pinotree`	`luisito: in the infocenter, do you see a list/tree on the left?`
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`22:48.49`	`luisito`	`pinotree: yep`
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`22:49.01`	`pinotree`	`select the protocols entry`
`22:49.09`	`luisito`	`pinotree: I did`
`22:49.14`	`pinotree`	`ok`
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`22:49.39`	`snoozix`	`hm, works great, but there is still no way that let's me seperate those two modes, i can do "save view profile: filemanagement" but then webbrowsing mode has no stop/reload, or i can save view profile as webbrowsing, but then it's vice versa twisted.`
`22:50.41`	`luisito`	`pinotree: oh, sorry I thought you said the protocol "tab", that was I understood.`
`22:51.17`	`luisito`	`pinotree: but with this I think I have all I need to know about it`
`22:51.24`	`luisito`	`pinotree: thanks`
`22:51.30`	`pinotree`	`no problem`
`22:51.32`	`pinotree`	`:)`
`22:52.47`	`snoozix`	`hm i think there is just no way to let it do it exactly my way :(`
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`22:53.37`	`oneforall`	`hmm I left x and cleaned out temp and that seems to have fixed it`
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`22:53.48`	`oneforall`	`got abck in and opened up 7 things :)`
`22:54.16`	`luisito`	`pinotree: this is great because I can go to my fonts folder without navigate to it.`
`22:54.32`	`pinotree`	`hehe`
`22:55.04`	`luisito`	`pinotree: and the gnome location bar works this way too?`
`22:55.17`	`pinotree`	`don't know, really`
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`22:56.14`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: dumdidumdidum :)`
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`22:56.22`	`pinotree`	`yes?`
`22:56.30`	`luisito`	`pinotree: oh! and there is an apt page too!!, jajaj this is great!`
`22:56.47`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: mh nothing, just am a little bit annoyed because i can't find my filemanager of my dreams for linux X :(`
`22:57.07`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: and i think my wishes are not unsatisfyable.`
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`22:57.13`	`luisito`	`pinotree: that is what I were thinking...`
`22:57.18`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: but maybe i'm just paranoid or so...`
`22:57.22`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: mhh`
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`22:57.41`	`pinotree`	`snoozix: have you tried looking around the menus and the options available?`
`22:57.48`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: i mean, thank you. but is there really no way to get it more or less in the direction i want it too?`
`22:57.54`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: i think so.`
`22:58.24`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: i can not save those two profiles and/or specify a profile to be used when launching konqueror :(`
`22:58.33`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: layer 8 problem?`
`22:58.37`	`pinotree`	`the 2nd is possible`
`22:58.47`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: ??`
`22:58.55`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: than the first must be possible too.`
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`22:59.07`	`pinotree`	`kfmclient openProfile 'profilename'`
`22:59.18`	`snoozix`	`how can i show the possible profiles?`
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`22:59.59`	`pinotree`	`snoozix: settings -> profile -> ...`
`23:00.56`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: there is no "profile" in the settings menu!`
`23:01.13`	`pinotree`	`i have 3 menu items related to the profiles`
`23:01.19`	`pinotree`	`load profile -> submenu`
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`23:01.26`	`pinotree`	`save current profile`
`23:01.35`	`pinotree`	`configure profiles`
`23:01.36`	`luisito`	`pinotree: that apt:/ is very good and useful cause I have a list of the dependency files of some package and is a faster way to check packages... I love KDE!!!`
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`23:01.49`	`pinotree`	`:) nice`
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`23:03.08`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: http://arje.de/konq.jpg`
`23:03.12`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: screenshot.`
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`23:03.45`	`_pop_`	`ok, i'm back`
`23:03.50`	`_pop_`	`came before as jim`
`23:03.57`	`_pop_`	`asking about stuff with wine`
`23:04.08`	`_pop_`	`ok, now i think it's a general thing in kde`
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`23:04.25`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: i can only save that profile!`
`23:04.33`	`_pop_`	`now i can't start anything in X`
`23:04.39`	`pinotree`	`snoozix: weird, i have more menu items`
`23:04.48`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: hm, which kde version?`
`23:04.54`	`pinotree`	`3.5.1`
`23:05.00`	`_pop_`	`firefox`
`23:05.00`	`_pop_`	`Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server`
`23:05.00`	`_pop_`	`Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached`
`23:05.00`	`_pop_`	`(firefox-bin:20345): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:`
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`23:05.04`	`pinotree`	`but those options are since kde 3.2`
`23:05.08`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: hm, this is 3.4.3`
`23:05.14`	`xerophyte`	`is there any ms visio replacement for kde??`
`23:05.26`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: wicked.`
`23:05.30`	`snoozix`	`:(`
`23:05.36`	`pinotree`	`xerophyte: maybe kivio (koffice package)ù`
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`23:06.08`	`pinotree`	`xerophyte: but i never used m$ visio, so i don't know for sure if it's a good replacement`
`23:06.15`	`_pop_`	`so, what is chuffing hell is going on here ? seems to be random with each time i start X . wine has never worked, but firefox, xmms and others on and off all at once`
`23:06.18`	`pinotree`	`snoozix: distro?`
`23:06.40`	`pinotree`	`_pop_: doing export DISPLAY=:0 help?`
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`23:07.07`	`_pop_`	`i have it as 0.0`
`23:07.18`	`_pop_`	`do i need it as 0 ?`
`23:07.33`	`pinotree`	`try, but don't think should change too much`
`23:07.34`	`_pop_`	`it says it's connecting to 0.0 anyway though`
`23:07.46`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: ubuntu breezy badger, i additionally did "apt-get install kde"`
`23:08.01`	`luisito`	`pinotree: this things are the kioslaves?`
`23:08.09`	`snoozix`	`pinotree: i think i should just try kubuntu current release or so.`
`23:08.09`	`pinotree`	`luisito: yep`
`23:08.42`	`_pop_`	`nope, exact same message`
`23:09.04`	`luisito`	`pinotree: ok`
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`23:22.44`	`Arsimael`	`Hello?`
`23:23.23`	`Arsimael`	`Is anyone here?`
`23:24.54`	`ThinkingInBinary`	`Arsimael: yes.`
`23:25.43`	`Arsimael`	`I need help with my Suse system`
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`23:30.27`	`Arsimael`	`ok, problem terminated`
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`23:30.59`	`xerophyte`	`pinotree, with kivio can you export to pdf i don't have that option on that export`
`23:31.19`	`pinotree`	`xerophyte: don't know, never used it`
`23:31.32`	`pinotree`	`xerophyte: --> #koffice`
`23:32.46`	`annma`	`in general, exporting to pdf is done via printing option`
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`23:32.49`	`kumquat`	`hm`
`23:33.10`	`kumquat`	`any way to force kdesktop to change what layer it thinks it's on so I can make it be behind my dock w/ another wm? =)`
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`23:46.58`	`rushfan`	`Hello. I had question.`
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`23:47.16`	`rushfan`	`I'm currently installing KDE apps on my linux distro. Whats the name of the app to run Konqueror as root?`
`23:48.19`	`TeaSea`	`kdesu konqueror`
`23:48.47`	`Alethes`	`xerophyte: print the document as a pdf`
`23:48.57`	`rushfan`	`Thanks`
`23:48.57`	`xerophyte`	`got that`
`23:48.58`	`xerophyte`	`thx`
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`23:49.06`	`rushfan`	`I installed KDEsu, how does it work?`
`23:49.12`	`rushfan`	`Or does it specifically need to be kdesu konqueror?`
`23:49.15`	`Alethes`	`I'm only half paying attention :)`
`23:49.27`	`TeaSea`	`kdesu <enter command here>`
`23:49.36`	`TeaSea`	`kdesu konqueror will run konqueror as root.`
`23:49.41`	`TeaSea`	`kdesu kmail will run kmail as root.`
`23:49.53`	`TeaSea`	`Plus any arguments for that program you want obviously.`
`23:50.06`	`rushfan`	`thanx`
`23:50.24`	`rushfan`	`Hey, by chance does anybody know how to set up xorg.conf so my mouse scroll wheel works?`
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