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| 00:02.19 | canllaith | Servo888: if you have kdeutils installed it should be in Kcontrol -> Power |
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| 00:08.20 | Servo888 | canllaith, ok I'll give that a try |
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| 00:56.43 | BlackHand | hi |
| 00:57.09 | BlackHand | i have an strange problem, when i open konqueror in file manager mode my icons always appear in huge size |
| 00:57.21 | BlackHand | my default size is small |
| 00:57.38 | BlackHand | is any konqueror pref that i need to set/deset ? |
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| 01:09.36 | DirkGently | BlackHand: kde 3.5? |
| 01:09.52 | BlackHand | DirkGently: yep |
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| 01:10.21 | DirkGently | I have the same problem.. it may be a bug |
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| 01:14.07 | teletubbie | where is the global kmenu xml file? |
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| 01:15.28 | straw | teletubbie: usually /etc/xdg or possibly $KDEDIR/etc/xdg |
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| 01:16.41 | tuxxee | anyone else having problems receiving files in msn with kopete on kde 3.5 ? |
| 01:17.33 | tuxxee | sometimes transfers work, other times the file appears to be received ok but is 0 bytes on disk |
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| 01:18.40 | HuntsMan | tuxxee: that's a know problem with MSN 7.5 clients |
| 01:19.04 | HuntsMan | tuxxee: you should ask in #kopete :) |
| 01:19.04 | sean_micken|work | HuntsMan: which is that? |
| 01:19.16 | tuxxee | HuntsMan: ok, thanks |
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| 01:20.19 | teletubbie | what command to un after editing the global kmenu file? |
| 01:21.30 | straw | kbuildsycoca --noincremental |
| 01:24.39 | SMiLeaf | hmm.. speaking of konq and icons.. anyone having the issue with thumbnail previews being all weird for certain files like bash scripts? |
| 01:25.12 | tuxxee | SMiLeaf: define weird |
| 01:25.54 | SMiLeaf | such as the filename is in the middle of the preview |
| 01:26.09 | teletubbie | if I removed the file applications.menu file, the kmenu still show up |
| 01:26.11 | teletubbie | :\ |
| 01:26.22 | SMiLeaf | it's like the top point of the preview isn't repositioned and instead is still placed as if it were a 48x48 icon |
| 01:26.41 | SMiLeaf | let me make a screenshot |
| 01:26.56 | tuxxee | SMiLeaf: what kde version ? |
| 01:27.02 | SMiLeaf | tuxxee: 3.5 |
| 01:27.11 | EvilGuru | what is the kde monitor application |
| 01:27.22 | EvilGuru | like task manager to windows, or system monitor to gnome? |
| 01:27.27 | tuxxee | SMiLeaf: hmm, same here and not experienced anything unusual with konq previews yet |
| 01:27.42 | SMiLeaf | EvilGuru: ksysguard |
| 01:27.59 | SMiLeaf | tuxxee: it doesn't do it for all previews. |
| 01:28.06 | SMiLeaf | text files, images.. all fine. |
| 01:28.15 | SMiLeaf | bash scripts on the other hand.. |
| 01:29.06 | tuxxee | its odd that only bash scripts dont work ... how about perl scripts and other kinds of scripts? |
| 01:29.13 | SMiLeaf | http://smileaf.org/images/konq-icon-20051226.png |
| 01:29.30 | tuxxee | SMiLeaf: no permission |
| 01:29.38 | SMiLeaf | now try |
| 01:30.05 | tuxxee | hmm |
| 01:30.26 | tuxxee | SMiLeaf: that really is weird |
| 01:30.33 | SMiLeaf | perl scripts also |
| 01:31.57 | tuxxee | SMiLeaf: 3.5 stable? |
| 01:32.33 | SMiLeaf | tuxxee: yup |
| 01:33.14 | LiquidAir | do they have true transparency yet for linux? |
| 01:33.24 | SMiLeaf | LiquidAir: yes |
| 01:33.36 | LiquidAir | SMiLeaf, does kde support it? |
| 01:33.43 | SMiLeaf | LiquidAir: yes |
| 01:34.04 | LiquidAir | any idea what the gentoo flag would be? |
| 01:34.06 | SMiLeaf | LiquidAir: right now it's a little unstable and slow, hopefully that'll change soon. |
| 01:34.08 | tuxxee | LiquidAir: xorg 6.8.x onwards has true transparency and its nice =) |
| 01:34.21 | LiquidAir | ah excellent |
| 01:34.34 | SMiLeaf | LiquidAir: it's not a flag.. you just need to add an extention to your xorg.conf |
| 01:34.38 | tuxxee | LiquidAir: afaik you need no special flags, at least i didnt use any |
| 01:34.42 | LiquidAir | i see |
| 01:37.44 | LiquidAir | what would _really_ be cool |
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| 01:38.14 | SMiLeaf | LiquidAir: After you add those go to the control center; Desktop -> Window Behavior -> Translucency |
| 01:38.16 | LiquidAir | if someone had a notebook with a digital camera pointing outwards; that kept taking pictures and updating the desktop screen to look as if the screen was transparent |
| 01:38.29 | LiquidAir | and continuously updating it live, while having a shell overtop of the desktop that is also transparent :) |
| 01:38.39 | tuxxee | xorg/kde starts to slow down after hours of use with translucency/drop-shadows enabled, however future development will improve no doubt |
| 01:38.48 | SMiLeaf | we've had a transparent shell for quite a while ;) |
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| 01:39.08 | tuxxee | LiquidAir: that kinda sounds like a lot of trouble to go to ;) id just install xorg 6.8.2 |
| 01:39.47 | LiquidAir | tuxxee, the idea is so the screen looks as if its a window.. |
| 01:39.57 | LiquidAir | tuxxee, there's live pictures of whatever is behind your screen |
| 01:40.04 | tuxxee | LiquidAir: oh right |
| 01:40.09 | SMiLeaf | that is pretty cool.. lol |
| 01:40.18 | LiquidAir | so if your cat jumps up onto your desk |
| 01:40.23 | LiquidAir | you'd see it walkng by :) |
| 01:40.34 | LiquidAir | while typing linux commands overtop of it |
| 01:40.35 | LiquidAir | lol |
| 01:40.45 | SMiLeaf | my background would be pretty lame if I did that :) |
| 01:40.53 | LiquidAir | its better for notebooks |
| 01:41.10 | tuxxee | LiquidAir: just write to various laptop/notebook manufacters and request they install outward looking inbuilt cams :p |
| 01:41.11 | LiquidAir | heh |
| 01:41.18 | SMiLeaf | my background would be of a cement basement wall ;) |
| 01:41.22 | LiquidAir | tuxxee, some of them have it already |
| 01:41.39 | LiquidAir | tuxxee, where you can flip the camera to face inward or backward |
| 01:41.48 | tuxxee | LiquidAir: then of course, if you used your laptop in front of a mirror, you'd have an image of yourself using the notebook ... i guess |
| 01:42.06 | LiquidAir | it depends how you angle it |
| 01:42.17 | LiquidAir | that would look unrealistic if you did that |
| 01:42.24 | SMiLeaf | geeks don't use mirrors... they use webcams :S |
| 01:42.32 | LiquidAir | heh |
| 01:42.32 | tuxxee | SMiLeaf: or cds/dvds |
| 01:42.45 | tuxxee | ;) |
| 01:42.50 | SMiLeaf | tuxxee: those have holes in them tho :) |
| 01:43.07 | SMiLeaf | could use the monitor |
| 01:44.45 | SMiLeaf | I could use my wood clock o.o;; .. when I made it I sanded it so smooth you can see yourself in it.. (only took off ~ 2-3cms doing so :)) |
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| 01:45.49 | Ahmuck | there used to be a listing of what packages were in the main packages of kde. for example, kde-multimedia would list the packages it included. where can this list be found ? i have been unable to find them quickly on the web site |
| 01:46.35 | teletubbie | kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/mergeant.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/x-mergeant' |
| 01:46.45 | teletubbie | it looks like kde is looking in the wrong dir |
| 01:46.49 | teletubbie | I installed kde in /opt |
| 01:48.45 | SMiLeaf | teletubbie: I think it looks in a lot of places |
| 01:49.10 | teletubbie | I have this file applications-kmenuedit.menu |
| 01:49.22 | teletubbie | in it, I got this |
| 01:49.27 | teletubbie | <Exclude> |
| 01:49.27 | teletubbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.27 | teletubbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.42 | teletubbie | but I still see the balsa thing in the menu |
| 01:51.32 | teletubbie | if kmenuedit got erros when saving, where do I read the errors? |
| 01:52.25 | teletubbie | I really think kmenuedit needs some work |
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| 01:52.49 | teletubbie | it is not editing the menu. when I restart kmenuedit, there is no change! |
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| 01:55.58 | rlj | hm. isn' |
| 01:56.16 | rlj | hm. isn't konqueror supposed to render acid2 properly in 3.5? |
| 01:56.22 | Kovecses | im still on kde 3.2 :( |
| 01:56.57 | rlj | Kovecses, why? |
| 01:57.15 | Kovecses | time to upgrade huh |
| 01:57.20 | tuxxee | rlj: konqueror 3.5 is not only meant to render acid2 correctly, it does =) |
| 01:57.42 | rlj | tuxxee, not for me. it's almost correct, but i get an ugly red bar underneath the face |
| 01:58.29 | rlj | tuxxee, which seems a bit weird to me. i wonder if it's konqueror's fault or the gentoo packager's fault, or my system setup's fault.... |
| 01:58.53 | tuxxee | rlj: hmm i know some parts of the face are absolutely positioned, so if you scroll even slightly parts of the page, some of the face moves and other parts dont |
| 01:59.11 | rlj | tuxxee, but the bar isn't supposed to be there at all |
| 01:59.12 | teletubbie | could it be gnome messed up the menu? |
| 01:59.23 | rlj | tuxxee, i get a perfect face, but with a bar underneath and slightly to the left |
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| 01:59.43 | rlj | and i didn't scroll. if i scroll the face gets messed up obviously |
| 02:00.03 | tuxxee | rlj: hmmm, im running gentoo but with kde from ftp.kde.org and handmaintained |
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| 02:00.31 | rlj | tuxxee, i've grabbed the kde split ebuild version directly off portage |
| 02:01.24 | tuxxee | rlj: you may want to check in #gentoo then |
| 02:01.31 | rlj | mm |
| 02:01.46 | EvilGuru | ok |
| 02:01.50 | EvilGuru | installing tag lib |
| 02:01.55 | EvilGuru | and re-compiling amarok |
| 02:01.57 | EvilGuru | has not helped |
| 02:03.03 | EvilGuru | it just does not seem to be reading the tag at all |
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| 02:06.32 | illogic-al | some guru he turned out to be... |
| 02:06.59 | Pygoscelis | Hi all |
| 02:07.38 | illogic-al | hey |
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| 02:13.58 | unholy | Does anyone know how to get out of minimal mode in kaffeine? I dont see it in the context menu. |
| 02:14.18 | angryelf | hey all, In KDE control center -> File Sharing.....after i click Admin Mode and enter the correct password It reverts back to the main Control panel screen instead of the File Sharing Screen......if i click back on file sharing it's not in admin mode........what's going on? |
| 02:16.32 | illogic-al | angryelf, have you updated KDE recently? |
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| 02:22.18 | SMiLeaf | unholy: hit 'm' |
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| 02:23.29 | unholy | thanks SMiLeaf |
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| 02:23.51 | LiquidAir | does kde support hardware shaded borders that add depth? |
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| 02:25.34 | canllaith | bloody advertising |
| 02:25.38 | Alethes | canllaith: heya :D |
| 02:25.44 | canllaith | heya Alethes :D |
| 02:25.45 | canllaith | how you been ? |
| 02:26.30 | Alethes | pretty good |
| 02:26.30 | Alethes | gotta new toy :) |
| 02:26.30 | Alethes | it's a new motorola E815 phone (cam, mp3 player, etc) |
| 02:26.38 | canllaith | pretty shiny toy |
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| 02:26.53 | canllaith | (I think phones that have cameras and mp3 players are about the lamest things ever though) |
| 02:27.07 | canllaith | I mean, when it comes down to it |
| 02:27.13 | canllaith | What do I *use* my phone for? |
| 02:27.21 | canllaith | Easy. One thing, and one thing only. |
| 02:27.21 | canllaith | IRC |
| 02:27.39 | LiquidAir | you use your phone for irc? |
| 02:27.43 | canllaith | I certainly do |
| 02:27.44 | LiquidAir | must be a pain to write messages |
| 02:27.55 | canllaith | It's very usable. |
| 02:28.03 | LiquidAir | are you on it right now? |
| 02:28.07 | canllaith | I deliberately went for a phone with a really great keypad to make it easier (and of course, yknow, predictive text) |
| 02:28.11 | Alethes | hey canllaith, how does santa get around in the southern hemi? :P |
| 02:28.16 | canllaith | No, I don't connect to freenode from it |
| 02:28.33 | canllaith | just the channel most of my RL friends hang out in |
| 02:28.37 | canllaith | Alethes: waterskis |
| 02:28.38 | Alethes | hehe |
| 02:28.41 | illogic-al | lol @ canllaith |
| 02:28.58 | SMiLeaf | if he goes too far south there is snow ;) |
| 02:29.01 | Alethes | I'm actually diggin' it for the 128 meg card for mp3s |
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| 02:29.16 | canllaith | right now I'm using the laggiest fucking connection I"ve ever seen |
| 02:29.24 | LiquidAir | canllaith, whats the name of the irc program you use?? |
| 02:29.29 | LiquidAir | i have a motorola razr |
| 02:29.32 | canllaith | It's almost as bad as IRC'ing over gprs, although only almost |
| 02:29.43 | canllaith | LiquidAir: aha, then you can use wlirc or jmirc |
| 02:29.46 | canllaith | as you have thockets! |
| 02:29.51 | canllaith | I don't, and have to bounce off a http proxy |
| 02:29.59 | LiquidAir | ah |
| 02:31.42 | LiquidAir | which of the two would you recommend? |
| 02:32.52 | canllaith | I'm not sure, I've only used wlirc. |
| 02:33.33 | illogic-al | amaroK needs YOU! |
| 02:34.19 | tuxxee | or s/amarok/juk/g |
| 02:34.20 | tuxxee | =) |
| 02:35.16 | tuxxee | hmm SMiLeaf still around? |
| 02:35.20 | SMiLeaf | tuxxee: yup |
| 02:35.36 | tuxxee | just managed to reproduce that weird bash script error |
| 02:36.03 | SMiLeaf | eww.. pc lag |
| 02:36.09 | SMiLeaf | worst kind |
| 02:36.17 | canllaith | pc lag ? |
| 02:36.26 | tuxxee | SMiLeaf: have you got the 'increase size of previews relative to icons' option enabled? |
| 02:36.35 | SMiLeaf | tuxxee: yup |
| 02:36.51 | tuxxee | SMiLeaf: and that, it seems, it the cause of the weirdness |
| 02:36.54 | tuxxee | *is |
| 02:37.12 | SMiLeaf | canllaith: yah.. it's what happens when your cpu gets above 80% |
| 02:37.30 | canllaith | SMiLeaf: nah dude, ssh over horrid latency |
| 02:37.39 | SMiLeaf | ahh ok |
| 02:38.17 | tuxxee | SMiLeaf: have you submitted a bug report? if so i can add my findings to it - or you can :) |
| 02:38.26 | SMiLeaf | tuxxee: not done it yet |
| 02:38.37 | SMiLeaf | tho I might as well.. reported 4 already today. |
| 02:39.27 | tuxxee | SMiLeaf: well that preview icon size adjustment option seems to be the cause .. should help a kde dev track down the relevant code |
| 02:40.54 | SMiLeaf | tuxxee: definitely |
| 02:41.30 | tuxxee | enabling that then altering the displayed icon size (ctrl+mousewheel or using the icon size buttons) reproduces the bug without fail |
| 02:44.09 | SMiLeaf | tuxxee: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119044 |
| 02:45.19 | SMiLeaf | tuxxee: add to it if you want.. it's my bed time so it's probably lacking detail :/ |
| 02:45.36 | tuxxee | SMiLeaf: the screenshot explains it pretty well :) |
| 02:45.59 | SMiLeaf | tuxxee: figured I'd better give them something like that ;) |
| 02:46.04 | tuxxee | SMiLeaf: ill add a comment on how to easily reproduce it anyway, as i just explained in here |
| 02:46.16 | SMiLeaf | awesome |
| 02:46.34 | SMiLeaf | thanks, good night :) |
| 02:46.47 | tuxxee | cheers, nite |
| 02:46.50 | tuxxee | :) |
| 02:47.03 | illogic-al | tuxxee, SMiLeaf, suse? |
| 02:47.10 | SMiLeaf | illogic-al: gentoo |
| 02:47.20 | illogic-al | nm |
| 02:47.27 | tuxxee | illogic-al: also gentoo (kde compiled from source and handmaintained however) |
| 02:47.39 | illogic-al | that's looks suspiciously close to a qt bug |
| 02:47.53 | illogic-al | qt/kdelibs bugs that is |
| 02:47.58 | tuxxee | illogic-al: you cant reproduce the bug on your system? |
| 02:48.05 | illogic-al | that was introduced by a patchset on kde-look |
| 02:48.11 | illogic-al | tuxxee, nope. |
| 02:48.21 | tuxxee | aha |
| 02:48.23 | illogic-al | my "system" such as it is, is windows XP |
| 02:48.25 | illogic-al | :-D |
| 02:48.28 | canllaith | heh |
| 02:48.29 | canllaith | that might |
| 02:48.35 | canllaith | put a bit of a damper on your reproducing the bug |
| 02:48.41 | illogic-al | indeed. |
| 02:48.52 | SMiLeaf | traitor... :S |
| 02:48.55 | tuxxee | heh |
| 02:48.57 | SMiLeaf | lol |
| 02:49.00 | canllaith | oh get over it |
| 02:49.15 | tuxxee | ;) |
| 02:49.29 | canllaith | for definitions of 'in' that are equal to running emacs or putty full screen |
| 02:49.30 | illogic-al | hey! I help people here! I provide a valuable service to the community |
| 02:49.57 | tuxxee | :> |
| 02:50.02 | SMiLeaf | don't have my cool programs :) |
| 02:50.04 | canllaith | and putty is decent enough |
| 02:50.11 | tuxxee | canllaith: whatever works for you :) |
| 02:50.18 | canllaith | I miss KDE like hell, but I don't *need* it to be productive |
| 02:50.24 | illogic-al | i do. |
| 02:50.28 | illogic-al | tis sad. |
| 02:50.38 | illogic-al | i also need amaroK to play music, |
| 02:50.41 | canllaith | (in fact, I'm more productive in windows as there is far less stuff to play with and I get annoyed with trying to do things in it and just concentrate on writing or adminining or whatever I'm doing) |
| 02:50.41 | illogic-al | help me. |
| 02:50.46 | illogic-al | please. |
| 02:50.59 | tuxxee | canllaith: so just resist the urge to tinker in kde :) |
| 02:51.06 | canllaith | sorry babe, there is no mode +bulletinbrain |
| 02:51.08 | canllaith | can't help ya |
| 02:51.12 | canllaith | tuxxee: I can't :| |
| 02:51.14 | illogic-al | lol |
| 02:51.26 | canllaith | linux is the reason that I"m not a math phd by now I swear |
| 02:51.28 | tuxxee | canllaith: well get someone to administer and lockdown your kde box ;) |
| 02:51.34 | canllaith | I end up spending so much damn time tinkering |
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| 02:51.39 | SMiLeaf | various kwin things, X things... and kde apps make using windows a pain. gotten so use to things that's it's a lot more time consuming and a hinderance using windows than it's worth. |
| 02:51.58 | canllaith | SMiLeaf: well, I use emacs as my editor (it's cross platform) I read my mail either in gnus or in pine over ssh |
| 02:52.03 | canllaith | I use irssi for irc and naim for aim |
| 02:52.05 | canllaith | also via ssh |
| 02:52.20 | canllaith | those are my apps I can't live without. I love khtml, but if I *have* to I can use firefox. |
| 02:52.22 | illogic-al | naim? |
| 02:52.28 | canllaith | ncurses aim client, very sexy |
| 02:52.31 | canllaith | you should try it. |
| 02:52.41 | tuxxee | canllaith: is it very customisable ? ;) |
| 02:52.55 | illogic-al | i was about to say "ew" as my brain interpreted ncurses as tk. |
| 02:53.00 | canllaith | tuxxee: I only know one command |
| 02:53.04 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.08 | canllaith | I don't bother customising anything else |
| 02:53.08 | illogic-al | but currses is cool. ncurses is even better :-) |
| 02:53.11 | canllaith | but then again |
| 02:53.20 | canllaith | I have a life! and even a sex life! |
| 02:53.23 | illogic-al | EW! |
| 02:53.24 | SMiLeaf | kde apps atm are not portable..yet, but even if they were it'd still be the same. |
| 02:53.25 | illogic-al | TMI! |
| 02:53.27 | canllaith | so personally, I couldn't give a fuck. It's a computer, not a religion. |
| 02:53.36 | canllaith | I just use what's there. |
| 02:53.48 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.54 | SMiLeaf | canllaith: couldn't agree more :) |
| 02:53.57 | illogic-al | to use a dhrakellianism. |
| 02:55.02 | tuxxee | but usually my laptops laying there from last night, which is an incentive |
| 02:55.06 | canllaith | heh |
| 02:55.12 | canllaith | Alethes: you disturb me |
| 02:55.16 | Alethes | haha |
| 02:55.17 | Alethes | :D |
| 02:55.23 | canllaith | I bet you disturb your wife even more though. |
| 02:55.24 | illogic-al | lol |
| 02:55.28 | Alethes | hehe indeed |
| 02:55.38 | Alethes | you should see the two of you going at it though |
| 02:55.40 | Alethes | very impressive |
| 02:55.54 | *** topic/#kde by canllaith -> Latest releases: stable: 3.5. See www.kde.org | kde-look and kde-apps are back up! | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | $OS vs $OS flamewars tiring, don't even start it! | |
| 02:55.59 | canllaith | uhuh... |
| 02:56.01 | Alethes | hahaha |
| 02:56.09 | Alethes | *sigh* |
| 02:56.24 | tuxxee | OS=gentoo; run |
| 02:56.25 | Alethes | I do believe that's the first time you've lost your patience with me enough to warrant a /kick |
| 02:56.26 | canllaith | actually |
| 02:56.35 | illogic-al | lol |
| 02:56.48 | *** topic/#kde by canllaith -> Latest releases: stable: 3.5. See www.kde.org | kde-look and kde-apps are back up! | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | $OS vs $OS flamewars tiring, don't even *start* you will be banned. |
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| 02:56.54 | canllaith | There we go =) |
| 02:56.57 | tuxxee | aw man thats harsh |
| 02:57.08 | Alethes | oO |
| 02:57.09 | illogic-al | so how bout that windopws... |
| 02:57.14 | tuxxee | xwindows? |
| 02:57.15 | tuxxee | :p |
| 02:57.17 | canllaith | Alethes: sweety I'd never kick you. It's much more fun letting you dig yourself deeper and deeper and deeper and saving the logs of it. |
| 02:57.19 | illogic-al | lol ;-) |
| 02:57.31 | Alethes | realize I don't see the kick/part/join/quit messages, so I don't know what I missed :) |
| 02:57.38 | Alethes | hahaha |
| 02:57.47 | illogic-al | tuxxee, we can always fall bakc to the reliable gnome vs. kde bit. |
| 02:58.04 | Alethes | oh oh oh |
| 02:58.07 | Alethes | my wife loves me |
| 02:58.10 | Alethes | she got me a ups :D |
| 02:58.17 | tuxxee | illogic-al: oh i just refer people to linus' recent comment over kde/gnome :) |
| 02:58.19 | *** topic/#kde by canllaith -> Latest releases: stable: 3.5. See www.kde.org | kde-look and kde-apps are back up! | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | $OS vs $OS flamewars tiring, don't even *start* you will be banned. That goes for KDE vs Gnome too. |
| 02:58.25 | canllaith | linus fucking rocks |
| 02:58.35 | illogic-al | and even not fucking |
| 02:58.37 | tuxxee | canllaith: but ... KDE/GNOME != OS |
| 02:58.38 | illogic-al | he still rocks |
| 02:58.54 | canllaith | he praised something I wrote in that thread. w00t! |
| 02:59.21 | tuxxee | canllaith: ive never had any close encounters, i just know of his work :) |
| 02:59.45 | illogic-al | The mighty "I will kick j00!" button in konvi ? |
| 03:00.04 | canllaith | illogic-al: the one that kicks a random other person? |
| 03:00.16 | canllaith | you can only accurately predict it's *not* going to kick the person you've selected |
| 03:00.19 | illogic-al | that's the one! |
| 03:00.35 | canllaith | well, njaard *did* tell me to implement random kick-o-the-day to keep you chaps in line |
| 03:00.54 | Alethes | what are we in line for? |
| 03:01.04 | illogic-al | i doubt it'd help with me. i like the sore feeling in me bum. |
| 03:01.10 | canllaith | Alethes: my favour |
| 03:01.13 | Alethes | haha |
| 03:02.10 | canllaith | illogic-al: you also disturb me. I think you and Alethes could be a beautiful thing |
| 03:02.38 | illogic-al | I get that a lot. |
| 03:02.43 | Alethes | yeah, illogic-al, you're kinda cute anyway |
| 03:02.48 | illogic-al | ty |
| 03:03.50 | Alethes | y'know |
| 03:03.50 | tuxxee | :) |
| 03:03.55 | Alethes | I name my computers after clowns, right? |
| 03:04.08 | Alethes | so, I have this one I call Gacy, but I saw a documentary on John Wayne Gacy |
| 03:04.17 | Alethes | makes me wanna change the computer's name |
| 03:04.27 | Alethes | I've gone soft :( |
| 03:04.50 | illogic-al | Gayce? |
| 03:04.57 | illogic-al | Gaycee? |
| 03:05.05 | illogic-al | tuxxee, brilliant. |
| 03:05.11 | illogic-al | that was trully inpired |
| 03:05.19 | tuxxee | and my amd athlon desktop is called ... athlon :> |
| 03:05.42 | illogic-al | i have one called kube |
| 03:05.48 | illogic-al | the other called qube |
| 03:05.56 | illogic-al | and guess what my next will be? |
| 03:05.59 | Alethes | I'm down to pennywise, gacy, bozo, emmett and krusty |
| 03:06.07 | Alethes | got rid of a couple of boxes |
| 03:06.13 | illogic-al | that's right... cube. |
| 03:06.21 | Alethes | hehehe |
| 03:06.24 | tuxxee | illogic-al: so you will have the complete set |
| 03:06.29 | illogic-al | tuxxee, bingo. |
| 03:06.42 | illogic-al | my boxes are name after boxes. get it. |
| 03:06.46 | illogic-al | clever eh? |
| 03:06.52 | tuxxee | indeed |
| 03:06.56 | illogic-al | only there not cubiodal... |
| 03:07.08 | Alethes | hehehe |
| 03:07.25 | tuxxee | so call 'em kube.kinda, cube.kinda etc |
| 03:07.43 | illogic-al | tuxxee. again. brilliant! |
| 03:07.56 | George | canllaith: oh yeah, gnome sucks |
| 03:08.02 | illogic-al | i think we should get together and collaborate on something. |
| 03:08.06 | illogic-al | like a baby... |
| 03:08.14 | canllaith | aw, it's widdle George ! |
| 03:08.16 | tuxxee | illogic-al: the *.kinda world domination network :> |
| 03:08.26 | illogic-al | heheh |
| 03:08.26 | canllaith | ... |
| 03:08.36 | canllaith | George: what drugs are you on |
| 03:08.45 | illogic-al | it's best never to ask. |
| 03:09.08 | canllaith | ... no shooting? No biting? no swearing at me in caps? |
| 03:09.15 | George | nah |
| 03:09.58 | tuxxee | canllaith: some nice guy, maybe |
| 03:10.18 | George | canllaith: it's me, George |
| 03:11.00 | tuxxee | although i cannot really comment on George, having only seen his nick and seen him talk :) |
| 03:11.09 | canllaith | Now you're making me feel ill |
| 03:11.16 | canllaith | Which I assume is your goal |
| 03:11.22 | George | awww |
| 03:11.40 | canllaith | Either that or someone has finally let you see the half naked pics of me that some $people have |
| 03:11.50 | illogic-al | hahah |
| 03:11.58 | canllaith | (The first man to ask gets silenced =) |
| 03:12.07 | canllaith | women might not if they're cute |
| 03:12.27 | George | canllaith: SMOOCHIES! |
| 03:12.48 | canllaith | George: You've just taken all the fun out of torturing you. Bastard. |
| 03:13.08 | canllaith | Hey, easy now. That's not legal in my country... |
| 03:13.12 | illogic-al | this is begining to freak even me out. |
| 03:13.12 | canllaith | What are you, 15 ? |
| 03:13.20 | canllaith | 16 ? |
| 03:13.22 | George | canllaith: 17 |
| 03:13.25 | George | I'm prime |
| 03:13.26 | canllaith | George: shit, you're *legal* ? |
| 03:13.31 | canllaith | and indeed prime |
| 03:13.39 | canllaith | Well, in that case <grin> |
| 03:13.59 | tuxxee | Alethes: gimp time -- not |
| 03:14.00 | canllaith | tuxxee: hey, he's the same age as oti/wilf... uh, not that I'd go there. |
| 03:14.09 | tuxxee | canllaith: of course not |
| 03:14.09 | canllaith | Having known them sine they were 14 means I couldn't ever, possibly, ever, go there. |
| 03:14.09 | George | canllaith: as who? |
| 03:14.21 | canllaith | George: mutual non-kde using friend's of tuxxee and I |
| 03:14.25 | canllaith | erm, friends |
| 03:14.32 | Wilf | ahem |
| 03:14.41 | Wilf | I am legal, thank you very much >:( |
| 03:14.47 | canllaith | Wilf: I know you're legal honey |
| 03:14.52 | canllaith | but I've known you since you weren't... |
| 03:14.55 | George | canllaith: why don't you call me honey!?? |
| 03:14.56 | Wilf | mmmm. |
| 03:14.57 | canllaith | that makes all the difference |
| 03:15.01 | tuxxee | canllaith: pfft |
| 03:15.02 | tuxxee | ;) |
| 03:15.13 | canllaith | George: you threatened harrowing violence if I ever called you honey again |
| 03:15.22 | George | canllaith: awww darling |
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| 03:16.05 | canllaith | heh |
| 03:16.14 | canllaith | kde being talked in #kde ? |
| 03:16.20 | canllaith | Rarely have I ever seen it |
| 03:16.35 | Wilf | tell me about it |
| 03:16.40 | Wilf | i mean, i don't even use kde... |
| 03:16.43 | illogic-al | oft happens when you're not here. |
| 03:16.49 | tuxxee | Wilf: why not? |
| 03:16.58 | canllaith | Wilf: don't you have an ubuntu install somewhere though? |
| 03:17.01 | canllaith | I mean at least you are using a unix now |
| 03:17.05 | canllaith | whereas you weren't at all before |
| 03:17.08 | illogic-al | all the cool people don't use KDE |
| 03:17.09 | Wilf | Because "Ubuntu" is erasier to say then "Kubuntu" :P |
| 03:17.10 | illogic-al | i don't |
| 03:17.18 | tuxxee | [k]ubuntu eurg |
| 03:17.25 | tuxxee | i mean, at least kubuntu has kde |
| 03:17.38 | George | canllaith: yay! |
| 03:17.44 | canllaith | I don't mind ubuntu/kubuntu actually |
| 03:17.56 | Wilf | it's good for clueless people |
| 03:17.57 | canllaith | and kubuntu has one of the nicest default KDE installations I've ever seen |
| 03:17.57 | Wilf | like me |
| 03:18.05 | canllaith | Wilf: aw you're not clueless. Just... wilfish. |
| 03:18.16 | George | I use Gentoo :D |
| 03:18.22 | tuxxee | canllaith: i personally like the defaults kde compiles with |
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| 03:18.29 | CapNemo | hello folks :) |
| 03:18.38 | illogic-al | yo yo nemo |
| 03:18.42 | canllaith | George: no-body's perfect |
| 03:18.59 | canllaith | tuxxee: I don't mind some of them. I hate the bouncing cursor. |
| 03:19.05 | George | canllaith: aww, but you are sweetie |
| 03:19.14 | canllaith | suse also has ap retty nicely set up KDE apart from the damn cursor |
| 03:19.19 | canllaith | s/ap retty/a pretty/ |
| 03:19.20 | tuxxee | canllaith: thats easily turned off, if you're talking about the option im thinking off |
| 03:19.31 | CapNemo | wow this kde 3.5 rocks really :) its a very very good version :) |
| 03:19.42 | illogic-al | CapNemo, aren't they always :-) |
| 03:19.44 | canllaith | tuxxee: aye |
| 03:20.25 | CapNemo | illogic-al: let's say that kde is like good wine : the more you let it take age the more is good ;) |
| 03:20.34 | canllaith | 3.5 is a bloody nice vintage. |
| 03:20.51 | canllaith | since it will be around for a while I'm tempted to build it for the mac |
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| 03:20.55 | illogic-al | CapNemo, i was thinking the more you drink the better you feel. |
| 03:20.58 | illogic-al | but that works too. |
| 03:21.11 | CapNemo | sounds good to me too ^^ |
| 03:21.16 | illogic-al | ;-) |
| 03:21.42 | CapNemo | illogic-al: btw do you know if konqueror is able to block ads ? |
| 03:21.53 | illogic-al | CapNemo, i do. it is. |
| 03:22.14 | illogic-al | right click o the ad to be blocked |
| 03:22.32 | CapNemo | mmm nive |
| 03:22.34 | CapNemo | nice |
| 03:22.47 | CapNemo | and its works also on flash ads ? |
| 03:22.56 | illogic-al | i don't actually like to do it that way as i big ugly icon shows up. |
| 03:23.15 | illogic-al | i just copy the url to the adblock configuration screen |
| 03:23.27 | CapNemo | a big ugly icon ? |
| 03:23.54 | illogic-al | a red no smoking sign, witrhout the cigarette symbol |
| 03:24.20 | CapNemo | ah yes i see what you mean |
| 03:24.29 | illogic-al | don't know about flash. i don't let konqui play flash |
| 03:24.39 | CapNemo | eheh oki |
| 03:25.00 | CapNemo | was santa nice to you ;)? |
| 03:25.15 | illogic-al | no, but that's prolly cuz i don't believe in him. |
| 03:25.37 | Wilf | someone install my lmsensors |
| 03:25.44 | Wilf | i cbf, nor is it working :( |
| 03:25.54 | illogic-al | gimme root access to your box and i will |
| 03:26.06 | Wilf | alright |
| 03:26.13 | canllaith | Wilf: baby no... give me root and I'll do it for you later |
| 03:26.18 | canllaith | I'm cruising now, bbl |
| 03:26.26 | illogic-al | same login as my nick here :-D |
| 03:26.33 | canllaith | do NOT give out your password to anyone on this channel mkay? :P |
| 03:26.36 | Wilf | mmm, free tech support |
| 03:26.37 | CapNemo | illogic-al: lol |
| 03:26.38 | illogic-al | lmao |
| 03:26.40 | Wilf | haha ok |
| 03:26.54 | illogic-al | Wilf, we're all nice people here. |
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| 03:27.05 | illogic-al | some less nice than others... |
| 03:27.09 | Wilf | i'm sure you are. |
| 03:27.25 | tuxxee | i mean, id just prefer to either do it myself or wait until i collected the required skills/understanding |
| 03:27.47 | tuxxee | not saying the folk in here are untrustworthy of course :) |
| 03:27.56 | illogic-al | of course :-) |
| 03:28.20 | illogic-al | there is something to be said about learning to do this yourself |
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| 03:29.56 | `Nomad | Kubuntu, just updated to KDE 3.5. On reboot I lose kicker. It was set to autohide, but it'd gotten just too good at it.. :) |
| 03:30.15 | tuxxee | heh |
| 03:30.16 | illogic-al | heh |
| 03:30.19 | `Nomad | Is there a .config file for kicker where I coudl change the auto-hide feature? |
| 03:30.37 | illogic-al | kcontrol |
| 03:30.48 | illogic-al | somewhere in the Panels config module |
| 03:30.51 | illogic-al | i think |
| 03:30.56 | thiago | `Nomad: ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc |
| 03:31.51 | `Nomad | thiago: Got it, thanks.. I hope I can figure out what goes wrong, it's pretty frustrating |
| 03:34.07 | `Nomad | ok, looking good.. Now to restart a session, thanks again :) |
| 03:35.51 | Wilf | hmmm. |
| 03:36.10 | illogic-al | mmmm? |
| 03:36.37 | Wilf | whilst i have the front of my case off...i guss i should cut a hole in the front of it for ventialtion my PSU. |
| 03:36.54 | illogic-al | sure. |
| 03:37.11 | illogic-al | you can throw water on it for extra cooling while you're at it. |
| 03:37.29 | illogic-al | make sure it hits the PSU when you do though. you get extra points. |
| 03:38.01 | Wilf | sure sure. |
| 03:38.06 | Wilf | you're just jelous |
| 03:38.08 | Wilf | single psu man. |
| 03:38.12 | illogic-al | lol |
| 03:38.17 | George | sausages. |
| 03:38.22 | tuxxee | Wilf: just turn the PC off. they dont generally experience heating problems then |
| 03:38.58 | illogic-al | merely pointing out, in my own special way, that cutting holes in your tower isn't a particularly wise decision. |
| 03:39.03 | Wilf | it's a palamino cored athlon...it's whole life is one giant cooling problem. |
| 03:39.05 | illogic-al | but hye. your PC. |
| 03:39.25 | illogic-al | Wilf, that's why we have fans... |
| 03:39.25 | Wilf | nah, i am half way through modding it |
| 03:39.53 | Wilf | yes, but i need a hole on the front so the air that is blown out of my second psu doesn't go back into my case... |
| 03:40.10 | illogic-al | two psus |
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| 03:40.17 | illogic-al | for a palamino... |
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| 03:41.11 | benJIman | ahh good old palomino, can cook dinner on them |
| 03:41.12 | Ahmuck | i am getting an error in my kde configure panel "the specified libarary taskbar could not be found" |
| 03:41.14 | Wilf | peltier. |
| 03:41.25 | illogic-al | I've got an amd64 4000, with a PCI-e card, and Tv card, connected and in use a good deal of the time. all with one PSU |
| 03:41.53 | illogic-al | why oh modderific one, didst thou need two? |
| 03:41.57 | Wilf | i'm running 1 350W and 1 300W PSU. |
| 03:42.02 | Ahmuck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:42.27 | Wilf | plus my neons |
| 03:42.29 | illogic-al | meh. sell 'em one ebay a buy a proper PSU |
| 03:42.45 | illogic-al | s/a buy/and buy |
| 03:42.53 | Wilf | but they work perfectly fine as they are. |
| 03:43.08 | illogic-al | overheating is a feature i take it |
| 03:43.58 | tuxxee | Wilf: why not just get a dual amd64 or something like that if you need power |
| 03:44.23 | tuxxee | requiring two psus sounds like hassle |
| 03:44.39 | Wilf | tuxxee, because i'm poor. |
| 03:44.56 | illogic-al | can't argue with that. |
| 03:45.15 | tuxxee | Wilf: well once you've finished all that mathematical modelling you're using that cpu power with, you can upgrade ;) |
| 03:45.25 | Wilf | i'm running an athlon 2100+ with a gig of ram and 160GB hdd space. |
| 03:45.36 | Wilf | and a 256mb fx5700 video card. |
| 03:45.50 | tuxxee | ah so graphical modelling too? |
| 03:46.05 | Wilf | however |
| 03:46.22 | Wilf | it's on an asus a7n8x-e deluxe boiard, so a 3200+ cpu wiill go in straight. |
| 03:46.25 | illogic-al | (Trilly) (t) |
| 03:46.32 | tuxxee | illogic-al: you mean 512mb cards affordable by the average consumer? |
| 03:47.10 | illogic-al | tuxxee, nah just 512 mB provided by nvidia. the affordable by the gen consumer part is up for discussion :-) |
| 03:47.16 | tuxxee | heh |
| 03:48.01 | tuxxee | illogic-al: 3dlabs produce a 512mb card supported by windows/linux afaik |
| 03:48.03 | illogic-al | I've got a job now, and no concept of saving. |
| 03:48.10 | illogic-al | The world is mine :-) |
| 03:48.24 | illogic-al | 3dlabs is dead |
| 03:48.24 | Wilf | stupid cd drives are preventing the removal of the front of my case |
| 03:48.36 | Wilf | maybe i should powerdown first |
| 03:48.40 | Wilf | ...nah |
| 03:48.42 | tuxxee | illogic-al: s/produce/produced |
| 03:48.43 | illogic-al | nah |
| 03:49.42 | illogic-al | they had video cards then that outperform card on the market now. |
| 03:49.53 | tuxxee | heh |
| 03:50.10 | tuxxee | which is kinda impressive |
| 03:50.24 | illogic-al | Let's have a moment of silence for 3DLabs and Voodoo... |
| 03:50.51 | Wilf | ah i remember my 3dfx card that i bought especially so i could run Need For Speed IIse in 3DFX mode. |
| 03:51.13 | tuxxee | need for speed ? |
| 03:51.39 | Wilf | a game where you drive cars around tracks. as fast as you can. |
| 03:52.03 | tuxxee | whatever makes time pass :) |
| 03:52.28 | illogic-al | lol |
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| 03:54.59 | Wilf | http://www.overclockers.com.au/article.php?id=405648 |
| 03:55.05 | Wilf | that's what i'm looking at for the CPU. |
| 03:55.50 | tuxxee | yet to experience any problems with either |
| 03:56.44 | Roey | mmm |
| 03:56.47 | Roey | dual sli motherboard |
| 03:57.00 | Roey | with two 512MB geofrce 7800 GTs. |
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| 03:57.35 | tuxxee | Roey: sounds nice |
| 03:57.38 | Roey | isn't it true that even with water cooling, you need fans? |
| 03:57.48 | Roey | tuxxee: well I don't have it... I just fantasize about it. |
| 03:57.55 | tuxxee | Roey: heh |
| 03:58.02 | tuxxee | Roey: well, nice fantasy anyway ;) |
| 03:58.11 | Roey | oh |
| 03:58.14 | Roey | not only that: |
| 03:58.25 | Roey | 4 hard drives (400 GB fast ones from Seagate Ithink) |
| 03:58.41 | Roey | plugged into a 3ware raid controller |
| 03:58.46 | Kovecses | you dont need fans for watercooling... but you do need propellers |
| 03:58.56 | Roey | Kovecses: what about evaporation though? |
| 03:59.25 | tuxxee | Roey: theoretically its a closed loop and no/little liquid is lost |
| 03:59.55 | Kovecses | Roey: it is all sealed |
| 04:00.13 | Kovecses | Roey: and if it did evap ... you can always add more |
| 04:00.40 | Roey | http://www.overclockers.com/tips77/ |
| 04:00.43 | Roey | they say you still need: |
| 04:00.46 | Roey | 1) front fan |
| 04:00.47 | Roey | 2) rear fan |
| 04:00.51 | Roey | 3) power supply fan |
| 04:01.10 | Kovecses | this is true |
| 04:01.13 | Roey | Kovecses: oh, so the water block itself stays at room temperature? |
| 04:01.16 | Roey | (that it's sealed) |
| 04:01.19 | Roey | bcause if it gets cold |
| 04:01.28 | Roey | while the ambient air temperature is warmer than the block... |
| 04:01.36 | Roey | then your motherboard ends up covered in water droplets. |
| 04:01.44 | Wilf | I have nowhere to mount a front or rear fan. |
| 04:01.48 | Kovecses | no no ... it doesnt work like that |
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| 04:03.13 | falls | hello , Where can I find the kdevelop3 deb package for etch ? |
| 04:03.14 | Roey | Wilf: see, I don't mind if I have the radiator outside the case making heat. |
| 04:03.22 | Roey | Wilf: I just don't want to add more fans, is all. |
| 04:03.54 | Wilf | i'm just buying the coolermaster kit, however I have 2 PSU's, and my secondary one is where the front fan would be... |
| 04:04.10 | Wilf | and the radiator takes up the rear fan spot... |
| 04:04.13 | Kovecses | falls: etch sucks.... move to sid... |
| 04:04.33 | falls | :-) then , where can I find the kdevelop3 sid debian package ? |
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| 04:05.45 | Roey | Is there any water cooling system that gives you a PCI slot exit through which you can place tubes to go to a radiator outside of the case? |
| 04:05.46 | Kovecses | falls: its in apt |
| 04:05.52 | DAaaMan64 | I am having some trouble with setting up kmail with my gmail account. I am sure I am one of thousands who do this but I can't get it to work. |
| 04:06.04 | Kovecses | did you set ssl? |
| 04:06.09 | DAaaMan64 | I always get this when I try it. |
| 04:06.17 | DAaaMan64 | it used to work |
| 04:06.24 | DAaaMan64 | just a sec let me get the error. |
| 04:06.25 | falls | kdevelop3 is in sarge's repository , not in sid |
| 04:06.34 | Kovecses | it is in sid |
| 04:06.41 | Kovecses | im looking at it right now |
| 04:06.46 | falls | oh, I will check it , thank u! |
| 04:06.55 | DAaaMan64 | The server said: "[AUTH] Username and password not accepted." |
| 04:07.28 | DAaaMan64 | I have of course re-ented it 100 times. Deleted the account and tried again ect. |
| 04:07.58 | DAaaMan64 | pop is enabled on my gmail account. |
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| 04:11.33 | DAaaMan64 | I don't think it will ever work because it is dumb. |
| 04:11.48 | DAaaMan64 | I suppose I can try thunderbird, but I like kde's stuff... :/ |
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| 04:13.58 | Kovecses | i use kmail with gmail every day |
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| 04:29.56 | feindbild | <DAaaMan64> I don't think it will ever work because it is dumb. <- i think he mixed something up. =P |
| 04:30.22 | feindbild | s/it is/I am/ |
| 04:32.12 | PeanutHorst | LOL |
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| 04:37.12 | feindbild | sean_micken|work: kdebase |
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| 04:41.24 | artah | simple frame: hspacer | textlabel | hspacer > select these > layout horizontal - spacers expand and label collapses to 3 words per line? |
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| 05:20.44 | SirGrok | I am having some trouble setting my prefered applications for the .avi standard. I have tried doing it, but after each pass, it launches mplayer, although I set it to choose xine as default. |
| 05:21.38 | SirGrok | It started to do this after I ran "sudo chown jeff .ICEauthority" (if my memory serves me correctly) if that is of any help. |
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| 06:17.38 | manuel_ | hola |
| 06:18.12 | manuel_ | alguien me dice como instalar mysql en suse 10 |
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| 06:28.14 | SuperLag | Where do you set the default location for downloads, in Konqueror? |
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| 07:13.46 | sean_micken|work | is there a search bar in konq 3.4.3? |
| 07:13.50 | sean_micken|work | for google |
| 07:14.49 | feindbild | sean_micken|work: enter gg:searchstring |
| 07:15.08 | sean_micken|work | feindbild: yeah, i know, but isn't there a way to get a search field? |
| 07:15.17 | feindbild | sean_micken|work: or ggl: or ggi:, wp: for wikipedia or leo: for translation, |
| 07:16.00 | feindbild | sean_micken|work: more can be found ander Settings -> Web Shortcuts ... |
| 07:16.15 | feindbild | s/wp/wp/ |
| 07:16.16 | feindbild | =) |
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| 07:17.10 | feindbild | sean_micken|work: Settings -> Extensions |
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| 07:20.54 | marccollin | hi |
| 07:21.13 | marccollin | are there a way to import kaddress to openoffice? |
| 07:22.15 | feindbild | marccollin: export to vcard ? |
| 07:22.24 | macisaac | sean_micken|work: yes if you have kdeaddons |
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| 07:52.52 | johntramp | hey has anyone here used kzenexplorer? |
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| 08:24.08 | xoctopusx | can anyone tell me of a good 1:1 DVd copy program for linux? I'm using SUSE 10 if that means anything :) |
| 08:25.38 | TL_CLD | xoctopusx: http://www.k3b.org/ perhaps? |
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| 08:42.38 | Llama | hi all |
| 08:43.09 | Llama | I'm lokking for kiosk software |
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| 09:08.56 | EruditeHermit | hey, I have a lan device which shows up on ifconfig, but doesn't show up in knetworkconf |
| 09:09.10 | EruditeHermit | can someone help me to get knetworkconf to show it? |
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| 09:26.11 | EruditeHermit | knetworkconf - KDE network configuration tool |
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| 09:26.23 | EruditeHermit | the same problem with gnome's network-admin |
| 09:26.29 | EruditeHermit | the device doesn't show up there |
| 09:26.38 | EruditeHermit | yet dmesg and ifconfig see it |
| 09:26.46 | EruditeHermit | and I can manually ifup lan0 |
| 09:27.03 | EruditeHermit | I just can't get it to show up in the GUIs |
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| 09:30.57 | canllaith | sredna: |
| 09:31.03 | canllaith | is it ok if I fix up kate docu handbook typo bugs ? |
| 09:31.05 | sredna | Hi canllaith :-) |
| 09:31.08 | canllaith | or should I reassign them to you? |
| 09:31.29 | sredna | canllaith: I'm going to look at the kate handbook today - I'm already started |
| 09:31.39 | canllaith | aha, I wont touch them then |
| 09:31.49 | canllaith | normally I would but I figured they should have been assigned to you really. |
| 09:32.01 | sredna | canllaith: So if you can give me a list of bugs or reassign them so I get mail I will fix them |
| 09:32.08 | canllaith | sure thing |
| 09:32.13 | sredna | Great :) |
| 09:32.35 | canllaith | anders@k.o ? I have no idea what address you use in bugs |
| 09:32.40 | sredna | And for the record, I'm fine with any help |
| 09:32.45 | sredna | Anders@alweb.dk |
| 09:32.51 | canllaith | oh no k.o address? ok |
| 09:33.48 | sredna | canllaith: Now you are here, is this a readable sentence: |
| 09:33.50 | sredna | When this is enabled, the editor will not unindent lines in a |
| 09:33.50 | sredna | Selection further when the line with the least indentation becomes unindented. |
| 09:33.50 | sredna | If you sometimes unindents blocks of indented code, this may be helpful. |
| 09:33.56 | sredna | ? |
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| 09:34.34 | canllaith | s/unindents/unindent/ |
| 09:34.37 | canllaith | apart from that I guess it's ok |
| 09:35.19 | sredna | Thank you |
| 09:36.07 | canllaith | ok I've reassigned the two I noticed today |
| 09:36.14 | canllaith | as I notice kate stuff come in I'll reassign them |
| 09:36.20 | canllaith | what about kate plugins, want those too? |
| 09:38.38 | sredna | Sure, that's fine |
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| 09:41.06 | sredna | Lots of mail :o |
| 09:42.28 | sredna | It would be nice if bko mails contained a X-Bugzilla-Product header (pr -Path, with product/component) |
| 09:42.38 | sredna | Or |
| 09:44.11 | EruditeHermit | nevermind, i've figured it out |
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| 09:51.17 | sredna | canllaith: "turns on or off <feature>" or "turns <feature> on or off"? |
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| 09:52.37 | DAaaMan64 | anybody had problems installing kynaptic??? |
| 09:52.49 | DAaaMan64 | I can't get it to work in suse with apt-get |
| 09:52.58 | DAaaMan64 | any other places to get kynaptic?? |
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| 09:54.07 | athlon | before upgrading kde to 3.5, I had many keyboard keys bound to dcop commands, e.g. Play/Pause button is combined to "dcop amarok player playPause". After upgrading from 3.4 to 3.5, I lost all the bindings and strange as it may sound, I cant find KHotkeys in KControl Center. |
| 09:54.39 | athlon | so how do I bind keys to custom commands / DCOP commands in kde 3.5 ? |
| 09:54.56 | sredna | athlon: Reginal & Accessability->Input Actions |
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| 09:55.52 | athlon | guess I have installed bad rpms |
| 09:55.59 | athlon | Theres no such thing in my Control Center :-( |
| 09:58.28 | sredna | athlon: What OS? |
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| 10:02.31 | athlon | sredna, suse 10 |
| 10:02.41 | athlon | getting a new rpms now |
| 10:03.14 | athlon | is it okay to update/reinstall KDE under KDE |
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| 10:07.09 | sredna | Sure |
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| 10:11.28 | canllaith | sredna: I'd use 'turns feature on or off' |
| 10:11.31 | canllaith | sorry was eating dinner :) |
| 10:11.44 | sredna | canllaith: Np, I have time. |
| 10:12.20 | sredna | It's sometimes very difficult for me to get the english syntax right |
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| 10:19.34 | hagabaka | hmm |
| 10:19.59 | hagabaka | my kicker sometimes turns non-transparent when i switch to a different desktop |
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| 11:04.21 | bqmassey | kde is sexy |
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| 11:08.32 | cane | what good theme or style i can download for my kde |
| 11:08.46 | cane | i 'm using style .net and i think good style |
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| 11:09.57 | rizwaan | can we use "Hal 0.5.0" with KDE 3.5 svn? |
| 11:10.29 | rizwaan | I'm getting error with "kded media manager" |
| 11:10.50 | mariux | does konqueror use inotify to watch for filechanges? |
| 11:10.57 | mariux | or is there a way to make it do so? |
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| 11:29.46 | Julianyus | hi |
| 11:30.04 | arkanoid | I'm getting this "could not find mimetype "application/octet-stream" followed by "error, no mimetypes found", however it resides in the file-associations dialog. |
| 11:30.14 | _RADIOhead | grrrrrrrrr taskbar crash |
| 11:30.16 | _RADIOhead | :) |
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| 11:33.38 | sredna | arkanoid: Try running 'kbuildsycoca --noincremental' |
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| 11:34.56 | arkanoid | sredna: it returns a lot of warnings but completes |
| 11:35.24 | arkanoid | and I'm getting the same error |
| 11:35.24 | sfr | hi - how can i remove the "switch user"-entry of the kmenu? I want kde to run in kiosk mode, so i don't want users to switch to ttyX... :) |
| 11:35.36 | sredna | arkanoid: And if the mimetype .desktop files are installed, things should now work. |
| 11:35.55 | sredna | ~kiosk |
| 11:35.57 | apt | A WWW Based MySQL database manager. URL: http://www.icaap.org/software/kiosk/ |
| 11:36.26 | sredna | Wtf.. that is nonsense in this channel :( |
| 11:36.47 | sredna | sfr: There is a guide at http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin iirc |
| 11:37.27 | mariux | why cant digikam read from my ixus 50? it finds it with no problem |
| 11:37.44 | sfr | sredna: kiosk works fine, just that switch-user-feature... |
| 11:38.12 | arkanoid | well, it lists some -desktop-files with the message that they specify an undefined mimetyp/servicetype. And it still complains about missing mimetype |
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| 11:39.58 | sredna | arkanoid: What KDE version and OS? |
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| 11:40.34 | sredna | sfr: Then edit the kdm config file, I think you can turn it off there |
| 11:40.38 | arkanoid | sredna: 3.5.0 and gentoo |
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| 11:41.45 | sredna | arkanoid: Did you use portage to install KDE? |
| 11:41.53 | arkanoid | sredna: yes |
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| 11:42.07 | rizwaan | (kdebase requires) hal is giving error even BLKGETSIZE64 is defined -> checking for BLKGETSIZE64... no |
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| 11:42.43 | sredna | arkanoid: Did you try as another user? |
| 11:42.44 | rizwaan | hal is such big trouble :( |
| 11:43.03 | arkanoid | sredna: nope, I'll try with a test-user |
| 11:43.20 | sredna | Gotta go, bbiab |
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| 11:43.45 | arkanoid | sredna: would it be enough to run one of the programs that complains as another user or should I log out of kde? |
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| 11:44.05 | sredna | arkanoid: Running one program should suffice |
| 11:44.25 | df00z | Hrm. *waits for bugzilla password reset* |
| 11:44.25 | df00z | i found a couple bugs |
| 11:45.13 | df00z | 1) Mount something with kioslaves, ie media:/ mount an sd card. right click device, Open Medium System Folder |
| 11:45.22 | df00z | New window pops up in /mnt/whatever |
| 11:45.23 | df00z | close it |
| 11:45.37 | df00z | if you have konq keep one preloaded itl stay open |
| 11:45.44 | df00z | now you cant umount it till you killall konqueror |
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| 11:47.03 | CVirus | guys .. every a couple of days my KDE notification sounds suddenly stop without a reason !! |
| 11:47.16 | arkanoid | sredna: I get the same error when running as a different suer |
| 11:49.46 | FuzzyTheBear | suer ? you must be an attorney ; ) Good morning people |
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| 11:51.02 | arkanoid | FuzzyTheBear: su'er? but in this case just me still being half asleep :) |
| 11:51.59 | FuzzyTheBear | good morning arkanoid :) dont i know what you mean .. it's way too early to be up and hacking .. |
| 11:53.08 | FuzzyTheBear | on this side of the fence .. im looking for a howto upgrade KDE to 3.5 on gentoo .. and i find zit that makes sense up to now. |
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| 11:55.37 | CVirus | guys .. anybody got a reason why those sounds stop ! |
| 11:56.21 | superstoned | df00z: dit you report this as an bug? sounds serious to me... |
| 11:56.47 | superstoned | the other problem I myself have with the whole media thing is the error you get when there is no fstab entry. you can mount, but not unmount! |
| 11:56.50 | superstoned | that sucks! |
| 11:58.07 | CVirus | hello ? |
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| 11:58.33 | FuzzyTheBear | so you would like the system to be able to guess what you plug in it ? |
| 11:59.09 | FuzzyTheBear | hi CV |
| 11:59.15 | df00z | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119055 |
| 11:59.23 | df00z | There, reported |
| 11:59.27 | df00z | that shouldn't be too hard to fix |
| 11:59.36 | superstoned | great. i'll vote for it... :D |
| 11:59.49 | df00z | do you get more votes/month or something? |
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| 12:00.51 | df00z | I have this one too https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=110318 |
| 12:00.54 | df00z | and im about to post one more |
| 12:01.11 | FuzzyTheBear | CV .. you dont give enough info : what sounds .. what circumstances do they stop ? |
| 12:01.13 | df00z | ark will crash if you have a zip file with a password and you 2x click it |
| 12:01.24 | df00z | after loading the file, try to extract a file |
| 12:01.28 | df00z | or open |
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| 12:07.01 | sredna | arkanoid: So you have an installation or global configuration problem |
| 12:07.48 | sredna | arkanoid: I'd recommend asking in #gentoo or #gentoo-kde if anyone knows about the problem before continuing here, as gentoo does not use a standard kde installation |
| 12:08.12 | arkanoid | sredna: ok, I'll do |
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| 12:11.48 | df00z | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119056 |
| 12:11.56 | df00z | There's another :P |
| 12:12.04 | df00z | superstoned: vote for that too? :P |
| 12:14.09 | FuzzyTheBear | sredna tell me about it .. :| i cant even find a guide that makes sense on how to upgrade to 3.5 :)) |
| 12:14.43 | df00z | Fuzzy: What distro? |
| 12:15.49 | FuzzyTheBear | gentoo :)= |
| 12:15.54 | df00z | Oh |
| 12:15.55 | df00z | :o |
| 12:15.57 | df00z | im on gentoo |
| 12:16.06 | FuzzyTheBear | got the upgrade ? |
| 12:16.09 | df00z | Was someone having an issue? |
| 12:16.15 | FuzzyTheBear | i am :) |
| 12:16.19 | tuxxee | FuzzyTheBear: i just told my gentoo that kde was installed, then proceeded to install it by hand from source |
| 12:16.34 | df00z | yeah I upgraded |
| 12:17.01 | superstoned | i'll have a look |
| 12:17.02 | df00z | you need to unmask kde 3.5.0 |
| 12:17.07 | df00z | if you're on gentoo |
| 12:17.30 | superstoned | done, df00z |
| 12:17.39 | FuzzyTheBear | ok so lest pretend that's step one .. get the packs from package mask to package keywords .. |
| 12:17.46 | df00z | right |
| 12:17.48 | df00z | now emerge kde |
| 12:17.49 | df00z | poof. |
| 12:18.13 | FuzzyTheBear | does it parallel build or upgrade ? |
| 12:18.25 | df00z | It will install 3.5 |
| 12:18.30 | df00z | but leave 3.4 or whatever you have on there |
| 12:18.34 | FuzzyTheBear | ex i will have two kde a 3.4 and a 3.5 ? |
| 12:18.35 | df00z | you can remove that by hand after |
| 12:18.38 | df00z | yeah |
| 12:18.38 | df00z | you will |
| 12:18.44 | df00z | i think -u or something MIGHT upgrade |
| 12:18.50 | df00z | but you can just do it by hand after |
| 12:18.53 | FuzzyTheBear | ok :) so that's step 3 :) |
| 12:19.14 | df00z | like you can --prune kde |
| 12:19.21 | df00z | i think that will get rid of 3.4 |
| 12:19.37 | df00z | But theres a better way to do that |
| 12:19.39 | df00z | ask in #gentoo |
| 12:20.26 | df00z | There's only one other bug so far I've run into in KDE 3.5 |
| 12:20.30 | df00z | no idea how to reproduce though |
| 12:20.50 | df00z | I'll be using konq, then all of a sudden like a bunch of little message boxes will spawn all over the screen |
| 12:20.55 | df00z | they look like tooltops |
| 12:20.58 | df00z | with like the letter d in them |
| 12:21.01 | df00z | then they go away |
| 12:21.15 | tuxxee | when you're web browsing ? |
| 12:21.18 | df00z | yeah. |
| 12:21.28 | df00z | might have something to do with form competion |
| 12:21.35 | tuxxee | try web browsing now and press ctrl |
| 12:21.35 | df00z | its usually when im typing..i think |
| 12:21.43 | df00z | yeah that. |
| 12:21.53 | tuxxee | yeah is not a bug, its a feature afaik |
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| 12:22.04 | df00z | What kind of feature is that |
| 12:22.33 | tuxxee | press the letter that highlights the appropriate element (eg a weblink) and its the same as clicking on it |
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| 12:24.29 | df00z | weird. |
| 12:24.33 | df00z | I wonder if it can be disabled |
| 12:25.07 | df00z | ah well |
| 12:25.09 | df00z | its no big deal |
| 12:25.11 | df00z | just awkward |
| 12:25.54 | tuxxee | yeah i was slightly confused too when i first hit ctrl by accident |
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| 12:37.27 | sredna | df00z: It's an accessability feature ;) |
| 12:37.47 | sredna | Hit ctrl again to hide the keys |
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| 13:24.54 | DeadS0ul | quiet you |
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| 14:17.41 | encolpe | Hi |
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| 14:30.50 | EvilGuru | could anyone send me a symbol font for kformula |
| 14:30.54 | EvilGuru | my distro did not come with one |
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| 14:37.24 | Blissex | EvilGuru: look for the Mozilla MathML fonts |
| 14:40.25 | EvilGuru | ok |
| 14:40.37 | EvilGuru | as I could noyt get the essitx ones to work |
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| 14:51.19 | FuzzyTheBear | called mathematica-fonts Fonts for MathML |
| 14:51.19 | FuzzyTheBear | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:54.18 | EvilGuru | I will emerge them as soon as I finishing compiling open office (c.a 5 hours) |
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| 14:56.21 | FuzzyTheBear | a friend has tried to emerge oo on a p2 233 .. last i heard the compile brokedown after a week with the cpu on overheat and shutting down :) |
| 14:56.56 | FuzzyTheBear | dunno if he ever tried to pull that stunt again :) |
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| 15:02.02 | mte_ | hello...i've just installed the baghira package in debian and then I also downloaded the cvs version (because of additional images) and all the files end with ",v" (e.g. README,v , INSTALL,v , etc.). Any idea what to do with the ,v files? |
| 15:02.44 | IceD^ | question: how to ask kget to NOT NOT SHOW any popups when download added/finished? |
| 15:03.10 | IceD^ | ahha |
| 15:03.12 | IceD^ | found :) |
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| 15:07.07 | cebulon | hi, someones arround ??? |
| 15:07.19 | oGALAXYo | no |
| 15:07.30 | cebulon | too bad ... |
| 15:07.37 | sredna | 8>) |
| 15:08.13 | cebulon | since i have a question id like to ask .... 8>) |
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| 15:10.04 | cebulon | its a Fedora 4 Distro, KDE 3.5, and I have Probs to change user rights on files using Konquerer .... |
| 15:10.23 | cebulon | any Idea, its strange i know |
| 15:11.04 | FuzzyTheBear | cebulon .. dont worry .. std hel desk procedures after the holidays .. noone will admit being here .. im not there either ; ) but still what kind of change are you trying to do ? |
| 15:11.25 | FuzzyTheBear | change owner / grp or modes ? |
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| 15:12.21 | cebulon | FuzzyTheBear: all of em, or single rights |
| 15:13.35 | FuzzyTheBear | what's it doing ? just dosent do it ? any error messages ? |
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| 15:14.15 | oGALAXYo | cebulon: you cant change permission as USER for another USER |
| 15:14.23 | oGALAXYo | cebulon: you must be root to do this. |
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| 15:15.13 | cebulon | I select a Folder, RightClick->Prefs-> Change to owner xxx Group yyy/ Apply changeAll Files -> Error (no specific Error, just Error with a filename |
| 15:15.19 | lorenzo | hello |
| 15:15.43 | cebulon | i am root when i do this (from a user account) |
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| 15:17.49 | FuzzyTheBear | oGALAXYo got one for you .. can a user give up his rights on a file and give/abandon the file to root ? i wonder .. |
| 15:17.54 | cebulon | i can do all the changes I want using mc from a "root-console" |
| 15:19.01 | cebulon | so, now its strange, isn't it .... |
| 15:19.02 | oGALAXYo | cebulon: yeah thats the thing |
| 15:19.09 | oGALAXYo | cebulon: no its not strange |
| 15:19.23 | oGALAXYo | cebulon: its quite logical |
| 15:19.42 | oGALAXYo | FuzzyTheBear: depends on the implementation.. there are unix variants which allows doing this. |
| 15:19.43 | cebulon | now i am excited |
| 15:20.03 | oGALAXYo | cebulon: you can change every file attribute as "root" |
| 15:20.09 | cebulon | true |
| 15:20.15 | oGALAXYo | cebulon: but you cant as "user" (e.g. doing that for other users) |
| 15:20.31 | oGALAXYo | cebulon: if you run konqueror as 'root' or in a 'root-console' then you can do the same. |
| 15:20.57 | cebulon | i know, i am root when i (try) do the changes |
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| 15:21.25 | cebulon | but i get the errors, thats my problem |
| 15:24.25 | cebulon | i can hear u scrtching your forehead |
| 15:26.08 | cebulon | must be a bug in konqueror since Version 3.5 ???? |
| 15:26.31 | cebulon | did all that stuff in previous versions !! |
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| 15:43.49 | blurpy | how come konqueror doesn't have accept application/xhtml+xml in it's header? |
| 15:44.38 | oGALAXYo | what kde version ? |
| 15:45.10 | blurpy | 3.5.0 |
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| 15:45.25 | oGALAXYo | would you try asking that again in #khtml ? |
| 15:45.33 | blurpy | okey |
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| 15:49.49 | thiago | blurpy: it doesn't, that's it |
| 15:50.34 | blurpy | thiago: oh, but it opens those kind of pages just fine |
| 15:51.05 | thiago | it opens them in HTML (SGML) mode |
| 15:51.07 | thiago | not in XML mode |
| 15:51.12 | blurpy | ok |
| 15:51.34 | blurpy | is it hard to implement, since it's not there? |
| 15:51.48 | thiago | considering we don't have a full XML parser, yes, it is |
| 15:51.59 | thiago | are you willing to finish the XML parser? |
| 15:52.35 | thiago | what do you mean by "opens those kind of pages just fine"? |
| 15:52.49 | thiago | pages served with that header or text/html pages that are XHTML 1.0 and 1.1? |
| 15:52.55 | blurpy | hehe, i don't think i could finish that ;) |
| 15:53.14 | oGALAXYo | thiago: libxml2 not full enough ? |
| 15:53.23 | thiago | oGALAXYo: it is |
| 15:53.24 | blurpy | konqueror opens my pages just like opera and firefox, which just serve application/xhtml+xml |
| 15:53.26 | thiago | oGALAXYo: too bad we don't use it. |
| 15:53.36 | oGALAXYo | thiago: its used in kde. |
| 15:53.42 | thiago | oGALAXYo: but not in KHTML. |
| 15:53.47 | oGALAXYo | ahh thats ok |
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| 15:54.05 | thiago | blurpy: right, but are you sure the MIME type being served is application/xhtml+xml? |
| 15:54.10 | wcang | hi everyone. just want to say a big thank you for creating KDE. I can't imagine using computer without KDE. Happy New Year. :) |
| 15:54.17 | thiago | or is the page determining what to send given the Accept header? |
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| 15:54.40 | blurpy | thiago: yes, both opera and firefox reports it, i'm using java to force it |
| 15:54.47 | vizzy | what the hell: 'cant load transparent background' and then kde crashes, kill all my aps and data, great, just wanna unlock my workstation! what is it? |
| 15:55.10 | oGALAXYo | vizzy: looks like X crashed here... |
| 15:55.15 | thiago | blurpy: SadEagle is the best person to answer that, I think |
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| 15:55.28 | oGALAXYo | vizzy: manually remove the entry from .kderc file |
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| 15:56.15 | vizzy | oGALAXYo, cool thx |
| 15:56.23 | blurpy | thiago: okey, i'm waiting on #khtml |
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| 15:57.46 | nuambenzina | hello |
| 15:59.55 | nuambenzina | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=32986 here is a kde theme , and in the right corner down , is running something like "task manager" in windows or KsysGuard in kde. dose somebody know/have an ideea what is the name of that package ? |
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| 16:01.00 | mabu | On desktop Superkaramba |
| 16:01.07 | mabu | on Kicker ksysguard applet |
| 16:02.01 | deego | is superkaramba the successor to kpager? |
| 16:03.17 | nuambenzina | uau cool 10q mabu ! |
| 16:03.17 | nuambenzina | :) |
| 16:03.25 | frb | no, superkaramba is teh successor to karamba |
| 16:04.03 | deego | is karamba teh successor to kpager? :) |
| 16:05.26 | oGALAXYo | <frb> no, superkaramba is teh successor to karamba |
| 16:07.40 | straw | deego: superkaramba allows you to put various types of applets on your desktop |
| 16:08.05 | straw | deego: kpager is still alive and kicking |
| 16:08.27 | deego | straw: thanks |
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| 16:12.34 | Vicker | does anybody use kaffeine here? |
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| 16:12.52 | texnofobix | i like xine :/ |
| 16:13.25 | Vicker | with default xine ui? |
| 16:13.31 | oGALAXYo | cokaine anyone ? |
| 16:13.56 | Vicker | oGALAXYo: all the time ;-) |
| 16:15.10 | nuambenzina | betwen K button and Desktops menu I have some space there , and 5 icons (terminal , show desktop, home, xchat, konqueror). how can i make those icons smaller and put more of icons, on rows? (in that space can be 6-8 icons) if i`ll put them on rows. |
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| 16:16.20 | benJIman | nuambenzina: you can use the quicklaunch applet if you want todo rows |
| 16:16.32 | benJIman | nuambenzina: right click -> add applet to panel -> quicklaunch |
| 16:16.40 | apokryphos | thiago: was it I (Francis Giannaros) who marked it closed? Don't remember selecting that... |
| 16:16.56 | apokryphos | can't see any note on the email that my action changed the status.. (though can't see it from anyone else, neither) |
| 16:17.15 | nuambenzina | oky` :) i have it now 10thx |
| 16:18.17 | nuambenzina | texnofobix i like xine too , but without that "christmas tree" when it`s beeing started |
| 16:18.29 | texnofobix | huh? |
| 16:18.34 | texnofobix | christmas tree? |
| 16:18.54 | oGALAXYo | hahaha |
| 16:18.57 | oGALAXYo | xmas tree |
| 16:19.03 | oGALAXYo | better than showing estrada there. |
| 16:19.43 | nuambenzina | sorry, english isn`t my native language. yes a "part" of crismas tree |
| 16:20.05 | oGALAXYo | thats a feature |
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| 16:25.00 | thiago | apokryphos: no, Éric closed it |
| 16:25.02 | _root | hi |
| 16:25.15 | apokryphos | thiago: aha, I see, thanks. |
| 16:25.42 | thiago | "thank you very much [...] for the patch [...] which I suppose will be applied very soon" |
| 16:25.49 | thiago | then he closed it |
| 16:26.04 | _root | can anybody help me? |
| 16:26.22 | _root | i've got usb issues under suse 10.0 |
| 16:26.31 | oGALAXYo | _root: #opensuse |
| 16:27.22 | _root | thanx |
| 16:27.26 | benJIman | _root: not logging in as root would be a start |
| 16:27.35 | oGALAXYo | that too |
| 16:27.50 | frb | but I log in as Administrator on windows! |
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| 16:28.08 | oGALAXYo | windows doesnt count |
| 16:28.14 | oGALAXYo | create a user account on there as well |
| 16:28.28 | benJIman | administrator isn't technically the same as root anyway |
| 16:28.37 | _root | i logged in as root in order to make "on fly" modifies |
| 16:28.47 | oGALAXYo | yeah, since you can have dozens of admins under windows |
| 16:28.52 | oGALAXYo | a domain admin |
| 16:28.59 | oGALAXYo | a active directory admin |
| 16:29.09 | oGALAXYo | a workstation admin |
| 16:29.12 | oGALAXYo | a ftp admin |
| 16:29.13 | benJIman | _root: you can make run any commands or programs as root with su/sudo/kdesu if you need to |
| 16:29.18 | oGALAXYo | a <add anything here> admin |
| 16:30.00 | benJIman | and even administrator doesn't have ultimate permission, system is closer to root |
| 16:30.40 | benJIman | it's a pain trying to kill things like norton antivirus in windows |
| 16:31.07 | oGALAXYo | yep you can exclude rights for admins on windows. |
| 16:31.22 | oGALAXYo | and users can enforce exclusion rights for admins to access their homedir even with active directory. |
| 16:31.26 | oGALAXYo | sick stuff. |
| 16:32.48 | oGALAXYo | i dont hate windows. |
| 16:32.54 | frb | where does kde store tileable images? |
| 16:32.57 | oGALAXYo | its quite impressive and 'different' to say the truth. |
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| 16:33.17 | giovanni | #opensuse |
| 16:33.33 | thiago | or the inside, depending on your perspective |
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| 16:33.42 | frb | voyeur! |
| 16:33.49 | frb | did you have your camera |
| 16:33.52 | CHodapp | I hate Windows, especially when it stupidly crashes. |
| 16:34.19 | frb | the ansi colors in konsole are unreadable, how can I change them? |
| 16:34.26 | thiago | frb: huh? |
| 16:34.30 | nuambenzina | i hate termial console, etc. i like to work in a eye candy grafical interface |
| 16:34.32 | Rennen | Rennen I am trying to remove my shit install of kde 3.5 - I am in kde 3.4 right now - but I still have 3.5 crap on my system, and wehen I try to install amarok it wants to install in 3.5 dir. What do I need to do to get 3.5 off my system? |
| 16:34.55 | frb | thiago: if I run vim inside a konsole, the blue used for syntax highlighting is really dark and difficult to read on a dark background |
| 16:34.59 | thiago | Rennen: rm -rf the install dir of KDE 3.5 |
| 16:35.05 | Rennen | umm |
| 16:35.06 | thiago | Rennen: I am assuming you built from sources |
| 16:35.11 | Rennen | yes |
| 16:35.23 | thiago | Rennen: and that you chose a prefix that previously had nothing in it |
| 16:35.36 | thiago | frb: you can't change that |
| 16:35.56 | Rennen | thiago: why would amarok want the 3.5 dir for it's install |
| 16:36.19 | DeadS0ul | i'm off |
| 16:36.20 | DeadS0ul | later |
| 16:36.27 | thiago | Rennen: which amaroK version? |
| 16:36.59 | Rennen | 1.3.7 |
| 16:37.15 | thiago | Rennen: what is the exact error message you got from ./configure? |
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| 16:37.35 | Rennen | thiago, I am not getting an error message |
| 16:37.42 | thiago | so it's not looking for them |
| 16:39.06 | Rennen | I am in Gentoo btw |
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| 16:40.49 | raf256 | hi |
| 16:40.52 | raf256 | in Konsole |
| 16:40.57 | raf256 | can I duplicate an tab |
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| 16:41.08 | raf256 | that is: open another tab, in same working dir, with same profile |
| 16:41.24 | thiago | hmm... not sure |
| 16:41.26 | thiago | i think not |
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| 16:42.45 | chino[server] | wherei s the magnifiing accesbility tool ? |
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| 16:43.28 | nox-Hand | Hey. Just got KDE working on my gentoo. Where do I find the volume manager? |
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| 16:43.48 | sredna | chino[server]: It's in the kdeaccessability module |
| 16:43.49 | thiago | what volume manager? |
| 16:44.03 | thiago | sound volume? hard disk volumes? |
| 16:44.13 | nox-Hand | Sound |
| 16:44.15 | chino[server] | how do i zoom in !! |
| 16:44.17 | thiago | run kmix |
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| 16:44.56 | nox-Hand | kmix? Okay. But can I not get it in my taskbar like in Xfce and gnome? |
| 16:45.55 | nox-Hand | Oh, now it is in my taskbar .D |
| 16:45.57 | nox-Hand | Cheers |
| 16:45.59 | nox-Hand | gotta go |
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| 16:49.28 | nuambenzina | ksisguard applet there is fine :) i`t`s showing CPU and MEM , but how can i put there a graph with network usage ? |
| 16:49.44 | nuambenzina | bandwithit |
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| 16:50.20 | oGALAXYo | i use knemo for networking stuff |
| 16:50.22 | oGALAXYo | knemo rocks |
| 16:51.32 | nuambenzina | hm... i`ll search for it |
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| 16:52.22 | chino[server] | anyone know how to magnify ? |
| 16:52.50 | mariux | why do certain keyboard shortcurts suddenly stop working? |
| 16:53.08 | mariux | like now, my ctrl+shift+esc shortcut to ksysguard doesnt work anymore |
| 16:53.09 | straw | chino[server]: magnify what? |
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| 16:53.14 | chino[server] | cause you pushed their buttons ? |
| 16:53.16 | chino[server] | lol :p |
| 16:53.27 | chino[server] | straw: i want the magnification app so i can zoom in |
| 16:53.40 | straw | chino[server]: Kmag |
| 16:54.01 | illogic-al | chino[server], it is in kdeaccessibility |
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| 16:54.44 | chino[server] | where ? |
| 16:55.54 | chino[server] | tthanks |
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| 17:06.28 | somekool | hello, anyway I could know what DSP device artsd is using ? |
| 17:06.56 | oGALAXYo | was that a question ? |
| 17:07.08 | somekool | weird eh ;) |
| 17:07.45 | somekool | my sound works, with artsd, but i dont have a /dev/dsp and I can't find what would be my sound device |
| 17:08.01 | oGALAXYo | do you use alsa ? |
| 17:08.05 | somekool | yes |
| 17:08.12 | oGALAXYo | then you use ALSA's native output |
| 17:08.14 | oGALAXYo | the correct way |
| 17:08.21 | oGALAXYo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:08.22 | somekool | ok, whats the device ? |
| 17:08.24 | oGALAXYo | and deprecated |
| 17:08.35 | oGALAXYo | its under /etc/sounds or /etc/snd |
| 17:08.39 | oGALAXYo | err |
| 17:08.42 | oGALAXYo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.46 | somekool | i got /etc/snd, there is 5 files in there |
| 17:08.48 | oGALAXYo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.48 | litwel | hello. I tried a KMyFirewall iptables template and now I can't access internet. at boot, eth0 and lo interfaces show red errors. how could I restore eth0 and lo interfaces to original setup? |
| 17:08.56 | oGALAXYo | somekool: yep thats what you using then |
| 17:09.09 | somekool | none of them seems to be usable with let say mpg123 or skype |
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| 17:09.25 | oGALAXYo | somekool: then you need to launch oss emulation in alsa |
| 17:09.37 | oGALAXYo | somekool: try this as root 'modprobe snd-pcm-oss' |
| 17:09.43 | somekool | i try all 5, they all seems to be mixer/control related stuff, not the actual sound output device |
| 17:09.49 | gandi | how can I set up kdesvn-build to use kdelibs branch for kde4? |
| 17:10.27 | somekool | great, let me try compiling this module (its a kernel module, right ?) |
| 17:10.50 | oGALAXYo | somekool: you dont need to compile anything. |
| 17:10.58 | oGALAXYo | somekool: try it now. |
| 17:11.12 | oGALAXYo | somekool: its part of ALSA already |
| 17:11.21 | somekool | really ? |
| 17:11.28 | oGALAXYo | yes |
| 17:11.40 | somekool | I tried, the module is not found, I use the kernel alsa, not the separate package |
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| 17:11.48 | somekool | separate package is deprecated apparently |
| 17:12.00 | oGALAXYo | no |
| 17:12.05 | oGALAXYo | please dont get confused here |
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| 17:12.14 | oGALAXYo | there is old OSS sound in kernel as well as new ALSA in kernel |
| 17:12.19 | oGALAXYo | the old OSS is deprecated |
| 17:12.24 | oGALAXYo | ALSA is the new sound engine |
| 17:12.38 | oGALAXYo | ALSA offers native alsa output (the correct thing) as well as offers OSS emulation |
| 17:12.48 | oGALAXYo | you need to activate OSS support in ALSA |
| 17:12.57 | oGALAXYo | not activate the dead old OSS stuff which is deprecated |
| 17:13.09 | somekool | yes, but under OSS there is a module for OSS Emulation |
| 17:13.20 | oGALAXYo | under ALSA oss ? |
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| 17:13.49 | somekool | yeah, just like to first said "<oGALAXYo> somekool: then you need to launch oss emulation in alsa" |
| 17:13.52 | somekool | its in the kernel |
| 17:13.53 | itrebal | whats the app. to show filesizes and such? |
| 17:14.34 | oGALAXYo | somekool: http://rafb.net/paste/results/LaDSwp25.html |
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| 17:14.35 | itrebal | all i know isw it starts with a K :) |
| 17:14.51 | oGALAXYo | somekool: you need 11, 12, 13 line |
| 17:14.54 | oGALAXYo | itrebal: konqueror |
| 17:15.10 | itrebal | theres another one that makes graphs and analysis |
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| 17:15.53 | SatanClaus | heyho! how comes I have multiple entries in a .jpeg's rightclick menu "open with" saying "The Gimp" and only one of them works? and how can I fix that? |
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| 17:16.48 | itrebal | like kdirstats but thats not it.. (i don't think) |
| 17:17.18 | SatanClaus | ? |
| 17:17.29 | sredna | SatanClaus: Remove old gimp.desktop files from your system |
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| 17:17.53 | SatanClaus | sredna: which directories? |
| 17:17.57 | itrebal | kdirstat thats it... |
| 17:18.08 | somekool | oGALAXYo thanks let me try this |
| 17:18.16 | sredna | SatanClaus: Kde-config can help you with that |
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| 17:26.59 | somekool | oGALAXYo i get unknown symbols |
| 17:27.01 | somekool | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Sx8PJe20.html |
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| 17:28.06 | `Nomad | latest Kubuntu and KDE 3.5. is anyone here running ksmoothdock successfully? |
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| 17:42.54 | Zajec | Hi |
| 17:43.14 | Zajec | I've installed Mandriva 2006.0 without KDE and withoud Gnome. Next I installed KDE 3.5 from RPMs |
| 17:43.25 | Zajec | What should I do now to rune X with KDE? |
| 17:45.06 | B-Minus | configure X |
| 17:48.42 | oGALAXYo | if configure X == done |
| 17:48.48 | oGALAXYo | configure kde |
| 17:48.54 | oGALAXYo | :) |
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| 17:52.20 | illogic-al | Zajec: run XFdrake and set up X |
| 17:52.41 | oGALAXYo | XFrape |
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| 17:57.55 | moi1392 | hello, |
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| 18:01.12 | Zajec | agggr :( |
| 18:01.25 | Zajec | I run XFdrake, configured it and now my X starts |
| 18:01.30 | Zajec | but it's still KDE 3.4 |
| 18:01.37 | Zajec | damn, I can't understand this |
| 18:01.40 | foonix | hello, i have a problem with kde desktop, soon as i log in it disables my wireless interface configured to use dhcp |
| 18:02.06 | foonix | even if i try ifup eth1 it does not help |
| 18:02.28 | foonix | soon i figured out i had to kill dhclient and redo a ifup on eth1 |
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| 18:02.49 | Zajec | ahh, no, it's KDE 3.5 - sorry ... just loading screen has "3.4" as background... |
| 18:02.52 | foonix | i thought kdeadmin package makes this effect of override , so i removed it but that wont help either |
| 18:02.54 | Zajec | YUPPI :) |
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| 18:03.16 | Marco` | hey |
| 18:03.33 | foonix | can some one please guide me how do take control on this behaviour of kde |
| 18:03.38 | Marco` | where does KDE look for the keyboard maps? |
| 18:03.56 | Marco` | KDE expects my X to be in /usr/X11R6 |
| 18:04.00 | Marco` | so i need to symlink some things |
| 18:07.36 | Marco` | helloe? |
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| 18:09.59 | oGALAXYo | why symlink |
| 18:10.08 | oGALAXYo | the correct install prefix for X is /usr/X11R6 |
| 18:10.12 | oGALAXYo | everything else is a bug. |
| 18:10.25 | Skrotto | it's a feature! |
| 18:10.32 | oGALAXYo | not in this case |
| 18:10.43 | oGALAXYo | some clueless people try forcing X install prefix in /usr |
| 18:10.47 | oGALAXYo | which i totally hate. |
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| 18:12.21 | Marco` | Xorg 7.0 |
| 18:12.27 | Marco` | has a new location ? |
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| 18:16.59 | *** topic/#kde is Latest releases: stable: 3.5. See www.kde.org | kde-look and kde-apps are back up! | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | $OS vs $OS flamewars tiring, don't even *start* you will be banned. That goes for KDE vs Gnome too. |
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| 18:21.07 | litb | and, after all i removed the whole old /usr/X11R6 tree |
| 18:21.18 | litb | which saved me around 100M |
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| 18:26.55 | phrakture | so I heard someone say installing X anywhere but /usr/X11R6 is a bug |
| 18:27.26 | illogic-al | it's not a bug but is likely to phrakture your system. :-) |
| 18:27.35 | phrakture | *groan* |
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| 18:27.52 | illogic-al | hur hur |
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| 18:29.14 | phrakture | oGALAXYo: why does not having X installed in /usr/X11R6 constitute a 'bug' on the part of the X installation? |
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| 18:30.33 | oGALAXYo | X belongs in /usr/X11R6 |
| 18:30.43 | oGALAXYo | it belongs in that dir X11Rx since well. 12 years now |
| 18:30.46 | oGALAXYo | if not longer |
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| 18:31.00 | phrakture | yeah, and 'lsmod' belongs in /sbin, but it doesn't always happen |
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| 18:31.09 | oGALAXYo | and now some intelligent geniuses show up knowing it better and want everything be changed. |
| 18:31.29 | raf256 | wtf? noone voted for that bug in Konsole |
| 18:31.31 | raf256 | nazy niggas |
| 18:31.33 | phrakture | "intelligent geniuses"? |
| 18:31.33 | raf256 | *lazy |
| 18:31.57 | oGALAXYo | phrakture: usability experts from gnome.. to be more specific :) |
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| 18:32.41 | phrakture | oGALAXYo: I'm just curious... if an application allows itself to be relocated, as X is wont to do, why is installing it anywhere you feel like it not a bug on the part of the application which is using a hardcoded path |
| 18:33.08 | phrakture | oGALAXYo: the gnome people pushed to get X installed in /usr? |
| 18:33.46 | oGALAXYo | phrakture: honestly i dont care where people install their X server and drivers.. but personally i am used to /usr/X11R6 for years and i dont see anything wrong with it, since it worked for many years and probably continues working till someone puts me in a box for digging me in the earth. |
| 18:34.09 | oGALAXYo | phrakture: yeah there are long conversations to have X default to /usr in the future. |
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| 18:34.27 | oGALAXYo | i heard them talking about that on the XDG mailinglists on freedesktop. |
| 18:34.52 | phrakture | oGALAXYo: see I was under the impression that a conversation went like this "hey <X feature> in kde doesn't work with X installed in /usr" and the response was "kde doesn't support that" |
| 18:35.02 | oGALAXYo | its assumed (or said) that it was never intended that X should be installed in /usr/X11R6 and that it was a mistake for years and should finally get fixed. |
| 18:35.26 | oGALAXYo | phrakture: no, the conversation is not related about the things you just said. |
| 18:35.36 | phrakture | oGALAXYo: right, I was under the same impression, actually... I'm fine with the /usr thing myself |
| 18:35.46 | oGALAXYo | i am not. |
| 18:35.50 | straw | phrakture's right. hard-coding X's location is broken |
| 18:36.22 | oGALAXYo | i doubt KDE hardcodes anything. |
| 18:36.33 | straw | it does, iirc |
| 18:36.57 | Marco` | oGALAXYo: i had to symlink X because kdm wouldnt start |
| 18:36.59 | oGALAXYo | i think kde only needs to be recompiled to met the new locations. |
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| 18:37.34 | phrakture | oGALAXYo: so, it will work the the /usr Xorg then, ok - that was the reason I hopped in here |
| 18:37.38 | litb | but X11R6 is for Xorg6.x.x |
| 18:37.48 | oGALAXYo | no |
| 18:37.49 | litb | and X11R7 is for Xorg7.x.x |
| 18:37.55 | oGALAXYo | no |
| 18:38.00 | phrakture | no |
| 18:38.02 | litb | why not? |
| 18:38.16 | phrakture | X11R6 is the protocol - X protocol, version 11 revision 6 |
| 18:38.19 | oGALAXYo | X11R6 is the protocol |
| 18:38.30 | phrakture | the protocol hasn't changed in like 10 years, and probably won't |
| 18:38.30 | oGALAXYo | it only applies for protocol changes |
| 18:38.52 | oGALAXYo | so X11R6 is also valid for accelerated X, XFree3 or 4, XOrg etc. |
| 18:38.52 | CHodapp | http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R7.0/ |
| 18:39.06 | litb | ah, now it is clear to me |
| 18:39.50 | litb | anbut having symlinks from there to /usr works for me. so i will live with it. until the next Xorg7.1.x. then i will change it |
| 18:39.56 | oGALAXYo | but yes i heard there are attempts to improve the revision. |
| 18:40.19 | oGALAXYo | personally i continue installing my X shit under /usr/X11Rx |
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| 18:47.57 | spiral | hello |
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| 18:48.23 | spiral | could anyone help me using kppp ? |
| 18:48.49 | spiral | I need to set up a 56k connection for someone |
| 18:49.03 | spiral | and I always get a message telling me : |
| 18:49.08 | spiral | "The remote system is required to authenticate itself but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP adresse.)" |
| 18:49.22 | sredna | canllaith: Ping |
| 18:50.22 | sredna | spiral: It's been a long time since I used kppp, but it always worked well. Did you read the manual? |
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| 18:51.15 | spiral | sredna: didn't find anything helpful |
| 18:52.21 | spiral | and google didn't help me much |
| 18:52.47 | spiral | I've never used kppp before and maybe I did something wrong, but I don't know what |
| 18:53.05 | sredna | spiral: Of course ppp needs to be enabled in your kernel |
| 18:53.57 | spiral | sredna: I'm using a default ubuntu breezy kernel |
| 18:55.42 | sredna | spiral: You should just use the wizard to set up a new connection, and make sure kppp finds your modem |
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| 18:56.12 | spiral | sredna: it finds the modem, and the modem beeps & so on... |
| 18:56.17 | sredna | I remember that my broter had a (ISDN) modem that refused to work with kppp, we had to use another dialer |
| 18:57.08 | sredna | spiral: Some of the more odd settings, like PAP and CHAP affects that |
| 18:57.23 | spiral | sredna: I don't even know what this means |
| 18:57.24 | sredna | Sometimes you have to play around with the options a bit |
| 18:57.50 | sredna | Kppp has a built in terminal that allows you to communicate directly with the server, that might be helpful |
| 18:59.29 | spiral | sredna: I should try with it, but the big problem I have is that I only have one "home-made unfilter" which doesn't filter the adsl line... |
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| 19:00.33 | sredna | spiral: Maybe that is your problem then |
| 19:02.00 | spiral | sredna: I don't think so, because before I tried this, I got a problem with "porteuse", and I don't have this problem now that I'm using my unfilter |
| 19:03.59 | sredna | spiral: Then my best bid is to experiment a bit with the connection setup |
| 19:04.43 | spiral | sredna: all right, I'll try with this then, thanks |
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| 19:16.43 | alberto | hi |
| 19:16.54 | alberto | is there a way to configure multimedia keys in kde? |
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| 19:18.46 | Zajec | I installed KDE 3.5 from RPMs today and I have some problem about Konqueror |
| 19:18.53 | Zajec | it crashes on Acid2 page |
| 19:19.33 | timmy334 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.48 | Zajec | I receive in console: |
| 19:19.48 | Zajec | kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype application/x-unknown not found |
| 19:19.48 | Zajec | *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0xb7e858b8 *** |
| 19:19.48 | Zajec | Budzik |
| 19:20.22 | illogic-al | alberto, indeed there is. |
| 19:20.31 | sredna | timmy334: Can you confirm that you can change other kdm configurations |
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| 19:20.32 | sredna | ? |
| 19:20.33 | Roey | hi |
| 19:20.46 | illogic-al | Kcontrol -> R & A -> Keyboard Layout (i think) |
| 19:20.51 | Roey | is there a KDE edu app for learning to speed up your reading of a given language? I want to get faster at reading Hebrew |
| 19:20.58 | alberto | is there a way to configure multimedia keys in kde? |
| 19:21.21 | illogic-al | alberto, and then select a keyboard model and your keys (most of them anyways) will be enabled |
| 19:21.21 | timmy334 | well, I can use the administrator button. it's 3.5 if that helps |
| 19:21.40 | illogic-al | alberto, read my reply. |
| 19:22.16 | sredna | timmy334: Well, you must use that and configure where kdm looks for the icons |
| 19:23.39 | alberto | illissius: I have an iBook |
| 19:24.00 | alberto | with gnome is very easy, I can't find here something similar |
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| 19:25.42 | timmy334 | sredna: ok, in the User Image Source area, what should it be? |
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| 19:27.48 | sredna | timmy334: It really depends on your policy - I have user, admin |
| 19:28.04 | sredna | timmy334: So I can specify one, and if the user wants a different one he can have that |
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| 19:30.16 | timmy334 | hmmm, I'll try that and get back to you |
| 19:30.20 | Roey | hi |
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| 19:30.24 | Roey | yo, the taskbar sucks. |
| 19:30.34 | Roey | it keeps changing its width |
| 19:30.58 | Roey | initially, when no items are in the taskbar, it has a width of 0 |
| 19:31.16 | Roey | but then when I open a window, say, its width grows out. |
| 19:31.27 | Roey | how can I specify a fixed width for the taskbar?? |
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| 19:33.33 | CondorDes | Roey: You don't. Usually what you do is specify a width for the whole panel, and the taskbar will size itself accordingly. |
| 19:33.55 | CondorDes | Roey: Also, for future reference ... when asking a question about X, starting out with "X sucks" isn't likely to get you any answers. ;) |
| 19:35.12 | motyR | yep absulutly right, BTW doesnt the option "expand as required" doesnt ment to solve this |
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| 19:35.50 | timmy334 | sredna: well, it's still no go. can you tell me your settings? |
| 19:36.35 | sredna | timmy334: As I said, I have user, admin. |
| 19:36.56 | Roey | CondorDes: no, no, I'm pissed, because I've brought this up before and no one seems to understand how frustrating it is. |
| 19:37.03 | Roey | CondorDes: I specified a width for the panel. |
| 19:37.11 | Roey | CondorDes: it doesn't matter. |
| 19:37.14 | timmy334 | in the long list of checkboxes that says "hidden users" do you have anything checked? |
| 19:37.23 | Roey | CondorDes: the taskbar re-sizes depending on whether or not if it is empty. |
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| 19:37.51 | CondorDes | Roey: Why is that a problem? |
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| 19:38.58 | Roey | CondorDes: because when I want to open several things at a time, it starts dancing |
| 19:39.06 | Roey | CondorDes: I find it really irritating. |
| 19:39.14 | Roey | CondorDes: because I end up pressing things by accident. |
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| 19:40.42 | r0dzilla | is there a way to have keyboard volume buttons increase/decrease volume on amarok? |
| 19:40.45 | CondorDes | Roey: Do you have "expand as required" turned on in the panel configuration? |
| 19:41.21 | thiago | r0dzilla: yes |
| 19:41.31 | thiago | r0dzilla: Settings, Configure shortcuts |
| 19:41.34 | Roey | CondorDes: yes but even when it is not turned on I get the same behavior. |
| 19:41.50 | Roey | CondorDes: the "expand as required" refers to Kicker, not the task bar individually. |
| 19:42.12 | CondorDes | Roey: Yes |
| 19:42.21 | CondorDes | Roey: The panel itself changes size, even with that option turned off? |
| 19:42.28 | r0dzilla | thiago, I tried that but I don't see a volume up/down option, just volume |
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| 19:43.46 | Roey | CondorDes: the panel does not; the taskbar *does*. |
| 19:43.51 | Roey | CondorDes: get it? |
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| 19:44.53 | CondorDes | Roey: Yeesss... but I'm not quite sure how that causes a problem. |
| 19:45.29 | Roey | CondorDes: it's irritating because when you're swtiching back and froth among desktops, it takes a while for the thing to expand and collapse. |
| 19:45.33 | Roey | CondorDes: it's a problem. |
| 19:45.45 | CondorDes | ahhh, I see what you're saying. |
| 19:45.59 | CondorDes | Roey: So you're only showing windows on your taskbar for the desktop you're on? |
| 19:46.06 | Roey | yes |
| 19:46.08 | Roey | yes that's correct |
| 19:46.18 | Roey | CondorDes: see, it's like this: |
| 19:46.30 | Roey | CondorDes: I move to a desktop with no open windows on it, and want to launch konqueror. |
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| 19:46.35 | Roey | CondorDes: so I swtich desktops. |
| 19:46.42 | Roey | CondorDes: and then move to press Konqueror |
| 19:47.01 | Roey | CondorDes: but then a second and a half after switching the desktop, |
| 19:47.12 | Roey | CondorDes: the buttons slide over, |
| 19:47.19 | Roey | CondorDes: and I end up hitting the Help icon or smething tlike that. |
| 19:47.22 | Roey | CondorDes: needlessly! |
| 19:48.17 | CondorDes | Roey: 1sec, brb |
| 19:48.20 | Roey | :) |
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| 19:48.57 | CondorDes | Roey: What version of KDE are you using? |
| 19:49.31 | Roey | CondorDes: 3.5.0 |
| 19:49.36 | CondorDes | Roey: In 3.5, if I put a button after the taskbar on the panel, the taskbar won't expand past the button (and won't move it, either) |
| 19:49.36 | CondorDes | hmmm |
| 19:49.40 | Roey | CondorDes: it's been this way ever since.... kde 3.1.something |
| 19:49.51 | Roey | CondorDes: but I have my buttons before the taskbar. |
| 19:50.08 | CondorDes | Roey: And it moves your buttons? |
| 19:50.33 | Roey | CondorDes: actually I have buttons to the left & right of the taskbar. Now, when I go to a desktop that doesn't have windows on it, the taskbar collapses to 0, and all the buttons to the rigthof the taskbar take its place. |
| 19:50.51 | Roey | CondorDes: and when I have Kicker set to 'expand as required', it centers the whole thing |
| 19:50.52 | CondorDes | Roey: And the buttons to the right are the ones that are moving? |
| 19:51.01 | Roey | CondorDes: menaing that the location of ALL the buttons moves. |
| 19:51.04 | Roey | CondorDes: yes |
| 19:51.10 | Roey | CondorDes: but I also have this set to expand as required |
| 19:51.12 | CondorDes | ahhh, yeah |
| 19:51.15 | Roey | CondorDes: and in the center |
| 19:51.17 | Roey | CondorDes: get it? |
| 19:51.20 | CondorDes | Well, turning off "expand as required" will fix half of that |
| 19:51.21 | Roey | CondorDes: so /everything/ switches places. |
| 19:51.24 | Roey | CondorDes: right. |
| 19:51.35 | Roey | CondorDes: I just wish I could tell the taskbar not to resize. |
| 19:51.41 | Roey | CondorDes: currently it has two sizes: |
| 19:51.44 | CondorDes | Roey: But I see what you mean about the buttons moving when the taskbar resizes |
| 19:51.54 | CondorDes | I think that's a bug |
| 19:51.55 | Roey | CondorDes: one for 'window is open' and one for 'no windows are open' |
| 19:52.05 | Roey | CondorDes: it's the taskbar that is collapsing |
| 19:52.09 | Roey | CondorDes: it sets its width to 0. |
| 19:52.12 | Roey | and I don't want it to do that. |
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| 19:52.43 | CondorDes | Roey: Well, I don't think it's the taskbar's fault, I think it's kicker's fault for moving the button when the taskbar resizes |
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| 19:54.52 | Roey | CondorDes: ok. |
| 19:55.02 | Roey | CondorDes: I would just love it for the taskbar not to collapse to 0 width. |
| 19:55.07 | Roey | CondorDes: there IS |
| 19:55.09 | Roey | CondorDes: MINE. |
| 19:55.13 | Roey | CondorDes: it's been there for ages. |
| 19:55.17 | CondorDes | Roey: What's the bug number? |
| 19:55.20 | Roey | lemme find it. |
| 19:55.25 | Roey | if it has not been deleted. |
| 19:56.22 | Roey | CondorDes: hmm, looks like it's been deleted. |
| 19:56.28 | motyR | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.36 | motyR | no movement at all |
| 19:56.40 | Roey | motyR: of course, it's because It Only Affects Me, 100% of the time. |
| 19:56.44 | CondorDes | Roey: What email address would you have filed it under? |
| 19:56.56 | Roey | motyR: read what we discussed -- the exact behavior -- does it happen to you? |
| 19:57.11 | Roey | CondorDes: not sure... either roey@wam.umd.edu, or roey_katz@yahoo.com or roey@freeshell.org |
| 19:57.16 | CondorDes | k |
| 19:57.25 | Roey | CondorDes: but many bugs got deleted when entire modules were rewritten. |
| 19:57.29 | motyR | Roey: no movement what so ever |
| 19:57.58 | Roey | motyR: do you use mlutiple desktops? |
| 19:58.00 | Roey | like, 4? |
| 19:58.07 | motyR | yep |
| 19:58.20 | motyR | wait i'll take some snap and show u... |
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| 19:59.31 | Roey | motyR: ok, the conditions are as follows: |
| 19:59.37 | Roey | motyR: set [x] Expand as Required |
| 19:59.45 | Roey | motyR: set taskbar position to bottom-center |
| 19:59.51 | Roey | motyR: set initial width to 60%. |
| 20:00.07 | Roey | motyR: populate with buttons or other stuff, to either side of the taskbar |
| 20:00.16 | Roey | motyR: have at least 2 desktops |
| 20:00.25 | Roey | motyR: one one desktop, it should have a window or two open. |
| 20:00.33 | Roey | motyR: on the other desktop, you should have nothing open. |
| 20:00.33 | motyR | http://motyrahamim.no-ip.org:8001/out.html |
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| 20:00.41 | Roey | motyR: now, switch between desktops. |
| 20:00.54 | motyR | Roey: have alook |
| 20:01.06 | Roey | motyR: and watch the Taskbar's width collapse to 0 when you switch from the populated desktop to the unpopulated desktop. |
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| 20:01.22 | CondorDes | Roey: If you're sure it got deleted, and not just closed, you might want to open a new one... |
| 20:01.37 | Roey | moty ani lo roeh klum, ata batuach she ze daf takin? |
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| 20:01.47 | Roey | CondorDes: i will but then who will care. |
| 20:01.50 | CondorDes | Roey: Make sure when you do file it, you post the exact steps to reproduce it... |
| 20:01.56 | motyR | hey thats nice... :) |
| 20:02.16 | CondorDes | Roey: The main kicker developer is pretty good about responding to bug reports, I think |
| 20:03.18 | Roey | motyR: did you see it?? |
| 20:03.20 | Roey | motyR: what's nice? |
| 20:03.25 | Roey | motyR: the screenshot? the bug? |
| 20:03.38 | motyR | Roey: second... |
| 20:03.54 | Roey | the bug. |
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| 20:03.56 | Roey | did you get it too?? |
| 20:04.06 | Roey | brb |
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| 20:04.20 | motyR | Roey: ftp://motyrahamim.no-ip.org/out.html |
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| 20:05.13 | motyR | Roey: israely??? |
| 20:05.42 | ezu5t | i have this vague recollection of pdo.debian.org as being the place to go if I wanted to find out what package contains a certain file? but it doesn't seem to work now. Could someone refresh my memory on where it is? |
| 20:05.44 | _martman | is it possible to do a base install? |
| 20:05.55 | _martman | i see alot of gtk apps and alittle things i dont want |
| 20:06.12 | r0dzilla | I found out how to get it to work with amarok, I had to setup an ~/.Xmodmap file and now it works |
| 20:07.09 | ezu5t | ah right packages.debian.org pdo |
| 20:07.15 | ezu5t | nevermind |
| 20:07.19 | annma | ezu5t: debian.org |
| 20:07.47 | ezu5t | thanks :-) |
| 20:09.56 | Roey | motyR: sure why not ;) |
| 20:10.15 | Roey | motyR: efshar lehagid. |
| 20:10.22 | motyR | Roey: did u looked at it? |
| 20:10.30 | Roey | motyR: we moved to America when I was 5, and that was like 20 years ago |
| 20:10.33 | motyR | Roey: that what nice |
| 20:10.36 | Roey | motyR: heh |
| 20:10.43 | Roey | motyR: but you wouldn't know it from how I speak. |
| 20:10.47 | r0dzilla | later guys, happy kde-ing! |
| 20:10.58 | Roey | motyR: it shows up empty |
| 20:11.08 | motyR | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.01 | _martman | no one? |
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| 20:13.30 | motyR | Roey: see...? |
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| 20:14.04 | sredna | annma: Hi - I'm done with the kwrite file, so feel free to read through it if you care to |
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| 20:14.21 | annma | sredna: :) thanks |
| 20:14.27 | annma | what about Kate now? |
| 20:14.54 | blacksheep | hey! how can i use the Display setup tool from kcontrol to setup the xorg.conf in order to affect all the users? |
| 20:15.04 | sredna | annma: I fixed the errors natalie found, now I'm going over each chapter and bringing them up to date |
| 20:15.21 | sredna | annma: But I will need tomorrow for that as well |
| 20:15.22 | annma | sredna: those? 114320 |
| 20:15.34 | annma | I was going throught them right now |
| 20:15.53 | sredna | Yes, those |
| 20:16.01 | annma | so I'll drop them |
| 20:16.05 | sredna | Good |
| 20:16.05 | Authority | (KDE3.5) for some reason, when accessing the login manager control module in administor mode, the control center window expands to about 5 times the width of desktop and is mostly unusable. Any idea whats happening? Does not happen on printer manager as administrator or login manager as normal user. |
| 20:16.20 | annma | do you want me to take a chapter or 2? |
| 20:16.23 | sredna | Some of them will be changed quite a lot, because the menu items moved and so on |
| 20:16.55 | sredna | annma: Na, I have holidays until newyears, so I have the time tomorrow |
| 20:17.03 | annma | :) |
| 20:17.04 | sredna | But thanks a lot for asking :) |
| 20:17.10 | annma | thanks a lot, great |
| 20:18.00 | sredna | Authority: Some string is too long, and causes the in some cases broken layout management to misbehave |
| 20:18.17 | sredna | Authority: If you can tell us which string, we might be able to help |
| 20:18.46 | sredna | Authority: You can move the dialog by pressing ALT and dragging with the left mouse button |
| 20:20.03 | Authority | sredna: where is the KDM config file located? could I just edit the long string there, perhaps? |
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| 20:20.38 | annma | sredna: Tools->Align is still missing in KWrite manual in Menus chapter |
| 20:20.42 | sredna | Authority: It may not be that simple, but it's in `kde-config --prefix`/share/config/kdm/kdmrc |
| 20:20.52 | annma | or maybe I did not update |
| 20:20.53 | sredna | annma: Thanks |
| 20:21.00 | sredna | No, I didn't add that |
| 20:21.10 | annma | OK |
| 20:21.13 | sredna | Oh, if it was a blank I should have |
| 20:21.17 | sredna | Let me check |
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| 20:21.52 | annma | and Tools->Join Lines (Ctrl+J) |
| 20:21.53 | sredna | annma: Align and join lines slipped me |
| 20:21.59 | sredna | Let me add that right away |
| 20:22.03 | annma | thanks |
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| 20:24.20 | Roey | motyR: that html page is still empty. |
| 20:24.28 | Roey | emm-tee :) |
| 20:24.51 | motyR | Roey: can u watch flash at all? |
| 20:24.53 | sredna | annma: Btw, I think either you or I should remove the outcommented |
| 20:24.58 | sredna | Parts |
| 20:25.09 | annma | yes |
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| 20:25.19 | annma | I left them in case I needed them |
| 20:25.20 | Roey | motyR: no |
| 20:25.25 | motyR | :) |
| 20:25.27 | annma | but you can remove them |
| 20:25.41 | Roey | sredna: ousgekommentiert? |
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| 20:25.48 | Roey | sredna: ausgekommentiert? |
| 20:25.49 | Roey | rather |
| 20:25.56 | motyR | Roey: well its flash... |
| 20:26.00 | sredna | annma: The problem is that some of all this documentation is repeated or complemented in the kate manual. There is no way we can share files currently |
| 20:26.00 | Roey | motyR: ok. |
| 20:26.09 | Roey | motyR: did you set it to the conditions I described? |
| 20:26.16 | motyR | yes |
| 20:26.26 | annma | sredna: yes, only copy/paste |
| 20:26.31 | sredna | annma: And btw most of the kwrite manual is specific to the katepart editor which is of course default, but it's not even relevant for all users |
| 20:26.38 | motyR | Roey: why cant u run flash? |
| 20:27.29 | Roey | motyR: because I don't have the patience to set the darned thing up. |
| 20:27.34 | annma | sredna: another thing: revision number should be KWrite version number |
| 20:27.35 | Roey | motyR: you can use vnc to make amovie though |
| 20:27.44 | Roey | motyR: vnc2avi or something |
| 20:27.48 | annma | sredna: can you update that as well and the date? |
| 20:28.08 | frb | there is vnc2swf somewhere |
| 20:28.15 | motyR | Roey: vnc2swf , thats what i've used:) |
| 20:28.51 | sredna | annma: I will |
| 20:29.02 | annma | thanks, I forgot about that |
| 20:29.06 | sredna | I noted to do that with the kate files, but not kwrite :\ |
| 20:29.12 | Roey | motyR: ahhhhhhhh ok so you did use that :) |
| 20:29.20 | Roey | motyR: ok... I apologize I can't see it though. |
| 20:29.29 | motyR | :) |
| 20:29.31 | Roey | motyR: then why don't you just give the swf?? why html? |
| 20:30.03 | Roey | אלוהים תציל אותי מהגהמום הזה של dell |
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| 20:30.23 | motyR | Roey: its better this way, the html will direct u to the swf |
| 20:30.38 | sredna | annma: Does this make sense: |
| 20:30.39 | sredna | Joins the selected lines, or the current line and the line below |
| 20:30.39 | sredna | With one whitespace character as a separator. Leading/trailing whitespace on |
| 20:30.40 | sredna | Joined lines is removed in the affected ends. |
| 20:30.42 | sredna | ? |
| 20:30.56 | magyar | ahoy |
| 20:31.16 | annma | sredna: yes, I understand it |
| 20:31.21 | sredna | Ok |
| 20:31.27 | magyar | i have an LCD monitor, it seems that all KDE-based apps are OK, but non kde "black on white= instant headache" |
| 20:31.46 | Roey | motyR: ok |
| 20:31.48 | magyar | like firefox |
| 20:31.55 | Roey | motyR: anyway did you follow the initial conditions I described/ |
| 20:31.57 | Roey | motyR: come to #israel |
| 20:32.10 | Roey | motyR: and on irc.efnet.org, too |
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| 20:32.53 | UnixByte | kann mir einer helfen bei superkramba hier die wollte ich haben http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=5851 und wenn ich sie lade kommt das bei raus http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/7813/bildschirmphoto55rg.png |
| 20:33.24 | sredna | annma: Should I add myself as an author? |
| 20:33.30 | annma | yes |
| 20:33.39 | annma | copyright 2005 to you and me |
| 20:33.59 | sredna | Ok, will do :-) |
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| 20:35.31 | sredna | Hm, can I keep the old copyright in there? |
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| 20:37.20 | annma | yes |
| 20:37.35 | annma | you have to keep the previous authors and copyrights |
| 20:37.37 | sredna | Ok, meinproc accepted it :-) |
| 20:38.58 | sredna | annma: Ok, comitted |
| 20:39.12 | annma | thanks! |
| 20:39.18 | annma | lol |
| 20:39.19 | sredna | :p |
| 20:41.13 | Drakeson | is there anyone considering "git" as an option here? |
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| 20:41.26 | sredna | Git? |
| 20:41.32 | Roey | motyR: |
| 20:41.33 | Roey | motaleh |
| 20:41.46 | Roey | did you do the initial conditions like I described?? |
| 20:41.50 | Drakeson | linus and company use it instead of bitkeeper |
| 20:42.01 | motyR | Roey: yes? |
| 20:42.31 | Roey | motyR: what yes |
| 20:42.32 | Roey | ? |
| 20:42.34 | Roey | there is 'yes' or 'no |
| 20:42.37 | Roey | what is yes? |
| 20:42.39 | Roey | "yes?" |
| 20:42.58 | motyR | Roey: u called me, no? |
| 20:43.01 | Drakeson | sredna: git may be an option instead of svn for the future |
| 20:43.38 | annma | Drakeson: what progs use it? |
| 20:43.47 | Drakeson | kernel |
| 20:43.56 | sredna | Drakeson: We only just switched to svn, and moving a huge project as KDE is quite a job. Of course a multitude of options was considered |
| 20:44.17 | Roey | motyR: yes :) |
| 20:44.19 | Roey | motyR: so I asked: |
| 20:44.24 | Roey | motyR: when you made that swf, |
| 20:44.31 | Roey | motyR: did you do the initial conditions like I described?? |
| 20:44.41 | annma | Drakeson: I doubt it'll be an option for the near future |
| 20:44.47 | motyR | Roey: yes |
| 20:45.02 | annma | KDE is the biggest project using svn right now |
| 20:45.50 | motyR | Roey: usally i'm using taskbar-v2, thought i've tried it with both versions... |
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| 20:46.34 | Drakeson | annma: thanks. anyway git doesn't seem mature yet ;) |
| 20:49.01 | sredna | annma: http://git.or.cz/ |
| 20:49.16 | Roey | motyR: there is >1 taskbar? |
| 20:49.21 | Roey | motyR: I'm using whatever came with kde 3.5.0 |
| 20:50.10 | motyR | Roey: yes it the default one, butthere is a nother one, much nicer, have a look at kde-look... |
| 20:50.28 | Roey | ok |
| 20:50.31 | Roey | gimme link? |
| 20:50.34 | Roey | gen kishur? |
| 20:50.47 | motyR | Roey: second... |
| 20:50.55 | Roey | k10x |
| 20:51.28 | motyR | Roey: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=16261 |
| 20:52.46 | Roey | motyR: thanks... is it on debian? |
| 20:53.17 | FuzzyTheBear | what id like to see happening is complete mudularity in the desktop .. what i mean .. you prefer nautilus ? just switch it in instead of konqueror .. dont like the gnome menus .. use kde menu systems .. but im a known loonie 8) |
| 20:53.17 | motyR | Roey: probably, it's a well known app |
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| 20:53.21 | metalek | hi |
| 20:53.33 | Roey | metalek: hi |
| 20:53.38 | metalek | i have a problem |
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| 20:54.10 | motyR | metalek: just one , lucky u:) |
| 20:54.19 | FuzzyTheBear | indeed .. |
| 20:55.20 | metalek | here error, kded: ERROR: KMilo: ... DellI18kmonitor could not access to kmix/ |
| 20:55.24 | metalek | here error, kded: ERROR: KMilo: ... DellI18kmonitor could not access to kmix/Mixer0 |
| 20:55.26 | metalek | sorry |
| 20:55.42 | metalek | somebody knows why is it? |
| 20:56.10 | motyR | which dell? |
| 20:56.16 | timmy334 | i have googled and read and read, but i can't get my kdm to show a user list. can somebody help? |
| 20:56.37 | timmy334 | i'm using gentoo and kde 3.5 |
| 20:56.42 | annma | timmy334: did you look in KCOntrol in Login Manager? |
| 20:56.45 | motyR | timmy334: it's somethings with the users id's |
| 20:57.21 | motyR | timmy334: there is an option for that in kdm |
| 20:59.18 | timmy334 | yes and motyR: i've changed that and my user and the @users shows inthat list and the invert is selected and nothing in the list is selected |
| 20:59.18 | Drakeson | timmy334: I think you need to use the builtin kdm, which is a bit uglier than the themed ones but has the user list. |
| 20:59.42 | Drakeson | do you use a themed kdm? |
| 20:59.43 | timmy334 | i'm using the default |
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| 20:59.52 | motyR | timmy334: wait a second... |
| 20:59.59 | timmy334 | yes, but i disabled it |
| 21:00.01 | dli | where is the default trashbin for konqueror? |
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| 21:04.14 | motyR | timmy334: try setting the "system uid's" from 0 to 65000... |
| 21:05.31 | timmy334 | eben with it set at 1000 it shows my user and @user |
| 21:08.19 | sredna | Hm, kthml appears to be b04k3d in kde 3.5 |
| 21:08.31 | timmy334 | i'll try it anyway |
| 21:08.45 | sredna | If I change the font configuration in khelpcenter, the text is only displayed when selected :p |
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| 21:10.58 | frb | I just enabled a DOM tree viewer in Konq, how do I actually use it? |
| 21:11.15 | frb | I have no menu items, buttons, or context menus with a DOM tree viewer |
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| 21:11.22 | avu | hi |
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| 21:13.04 | mart_k | frb: I have that item in the "Utility" menu. |
| 21:13.23 | frb | Utility? are you british? :) |
| 21:13.35 | avu | is there a command I can use to use the same mechanism Konqueror uses when I doubleclick a file on the commandline? Something like 'open' on osx. |
| 21:13.55 | mart_k | frb: No, I have a dutch version, so I tried to translate. |
| 21:14.08 | frb | ok, I'll guess that means "Tools" |
| 21:14.17 | mart_k | frb: Yes. |
| 21:14.22 | frb | now it's there :/ |
| 21:15.12 | frb | now if only it showed me CSS as well as HTML |
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| 21:21.45 | canllaith | sredna: here now, if you still are |
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| 21:22.32 | sredna | canllaith: Uhm, some syntactic question |
| 21:22.47 | canllaith | aha |
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| 21:23.30 | sredna | canllaith: I forgot, and my files does not contain bookmarks that could indicate where to look, so it's probably not a life-theradening problem |
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| 21:24.26 | canllaith | :) |
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| 21:36.12 | xoctopusx | I'm trying to copy/burn a DVD with K3b for the first time. It happens to be over 7+gigs! How will I accomplish this task? |
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| 21:36.32 | drivamgr2006 | with great difficulty |
| 21:36.39 | xoctopusx | really? |
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| 21:36.45 | drivamgr2006 | I believe max size for a dvd is 4.3gb |
| 21:36.52 | annma | a DVD over 7gigs |
| 21:37.01 | annma | now that's somethign |
| 21:37.18 | annma | maybe you can sponsor the k3b team with your hardware |
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| 21:37.39 | xoctopusx | Yeah but isn't there a way to shrink it so it can fir on a 4.7 disk? |
| 21:37.40 | drivamgr2006 | Anyhoo, I need some help. Do KDE know of/or maintain the package known as kpovmodeller? |
| 21:37.46 | sander | Dual layer can be over 8GB |
| 21:38.04 | annma | sander: are you sander koenig? |
| 21:38.21 | drivamgr2006 | I have an issue. I can create an item in kpovmodeller, but when I try to render using povray, my x server crashes. |
| 21:38.24 | xoctopusx | well its 7 something...I would really like to be able to do this. |
| 21:38.52 | annma | xoctopusx: so you do have a dual layer DVD? |
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| 21:39.16 | xoctopusx | no just a regular 4.7's |
| 21:39.29 | annma | then how do you want to do it? |
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| 21:39.50 | xoctopusx | I'd like to be able to make a copy... |
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| 21:48.07 | *** topic/#kde is Latest releases: stable: 3.5. See www.kde.org | kde-look and kde-apps are back up! | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | $OS vs $OS flamewars tiring, don't even *start* you will be banned. That goes for KDE vs Gnome too. |
| 21:48.10 | annma | hagabaka: because command line works great |
| 21:48.23 | annma | which was Theory said |
| 21:48.31 | hagabaka | what command line? |
| 21:49.43 | annma | btdownloadcurses <torrent> |
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| 21:50.35 | hagabaka | oh |
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| 21:50.45 | mirak | hello ! |
| 21:50.57 | annma | hi |
| 21:51.05 | hagabaka | i like GUI's better... |
| 21:51.13 | annma | ;) |
| 21:51.17 | mirak | is there any plan to have exposé on kde ? mean something more similar to os exposé than komposé |
| 21:51.24 | mirak | os x |
| 21:51.28 | annma | exposé |
| 21:51.32 | annma | what is it? |
| 21:51.37 | hagabaka | so, Apollon doesn't support bittorrent right? |
| 21:51.47 | annma | hagabaka: I think it does |
| 21:51.50 | hagabaka | hmm |
| 21:52.09 | annma | mirak: what is exposé? |
| 21:52.11 | mirak | annma: it zooms out all the windows to the background and you can choose the one you want. |
| 21:52.25 | mirak | it's a task switcher |
| 21:52.34 | annma | hmm, maybe someone will do it for kde4 |
| 21:52.42 | annma | did you look on kde-apps? |
| 21:52.56 | mirak | http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/expose/ |
| 21:52.56 | thiago | I think it already exists |
| 21:53.06 | annma | mirak: on kde-apps |
| 21:53.08 | mirak | komposé but there is no real time zoom |
| 21:53.18 | mirak | and the windows are just screenshots |
| 21:53.23 | thiago | because it's not possible |
| 21:53.24 | mirak | and it's slow and not smooth |
| 21:53.38 | mirak | I think it depends a lot of X libraries |
| 21:53.52 | thiago | right, X doesn't support it without Composite and probably hardware acceleration |
| 21:54.00 | mirak | but well I have heard on gnome that they don't want to implement it because apple patented it |
| 21:54.08 | thiago | could be as well |
| 21:54.16 | hagabaka | hmm |
| 21:54.17 | thiago | I don't care about patents on software, though |
| 21:54.17 | annma | if it's patented... |
| 21:54.21 | mirak | that patent is valuable only inside US |
| 21:54.22 | thiago | better to not even know they exist |
| 21:54.30 | hagabaka | don't fancy TV's have a similar feature? |
| 21:54.30 | mirak | annma: it's patented in the USA |
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| 21:54.43 | mirak | annma: this pattents doesn't apply anywhere else |
| 21:54.54 | mirak | and the majority of people dont live in the USA |
| 21:55.11 | mirak | hagabaka: kind of |
| 21:55.26 | mirak | thiago: they don't exist outside usa |
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| 21:58.07 | thiago | mirak: I know |
| 21:58.12 | thiago | but still better to not even know they exist |
| 21:59.31 | mirak | is there a way to make kde look more robust ? |
| 21:59.48 | mirak | I mean I don't like much how windows are refreshed |
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| 22:00.00 | mirak | in comparison of os x or even gnome |
| 22:00.06 | kendrick | slow machine? :) |
| 22:00.17 | kendrick | is it updating a lot when you drag/resize? you can disable that |
| 22:00.21 | mirak | on the contrary I feel it's too fast |
| 22:00.34 | mirak | when I open a menu |
| 22:00.40 | mirak | it's too kick |
| 22:00.49 | kendrick | you can turn on effects, like fade-in or roll-down |
| 22:00.51 | mirak | the feel is a bit to rushy |
| 22:01.04 | mirak | I have a Amd64 3000 |
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| 22:01.16 | mirak | so I would not say kde is to heavy |
| 22:01.26 | mirak | I would say it's to fast |
| 22:01.30 | kendrick | under Control Center -> Appearance... -> Style -> Effects |
| 22:01.42 | mirak | ok I will toy with that |
| 22:01.50 | kendrick | good luck |
| 22:01.55 | kendrick | i've got to start cleaning my house :^( |
| 22:01.57 | kendrick | cya |
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| 22:05.35 | nuambenzina | hello , I did installed Valknut , from ports , and the menu updating tool dosen`t find it |
| 22:06.02 | nuambenzina | if i give k->runcommand->valknut ENTER , the application start |
| 22:06.08 | nuambenzina | hm |
| 22:07.09 | Knowerrors | Whats best program/way to backup my root partition to a dvd? |
| 22:08.21 | annma | Knowerrors: k3b |
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| 22:10.22 | Knowerrors | annma: will that still work with root? since theres system files in use, and its mounted |
| 22:11.33 | illogic-al | fd PhilRod |
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| 22:13.44 | annma | Knowerrors: best way is to try |
| 22:14.45 | Knowerrors | I was thinking of making a disc image of root, so that it would be easier to restore it |
| 22:15.04 | annma | yes |
| 22:15.43 | Knowerrors | Ive done that one before, but forgot the name of the program... do you know? |
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| 22:18.52 | annma | isn't it possible with dd? |
| 22:19.16 | Knowerrors | whats dd? the program I was thinking of is partition imager |
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| 22:19.29 | benJIman | dd can image anything |
| 22:19.41 | Knowerrors | what does dd stand for? |
| 22:21.36 | benJIman | no idea |
| 22:21.36 | koala_man | convert and copy |
| 22:21.37 | benJIman | it converts and copies |
| 22:21.37 | koala_man | but cc was taken, so it became dd |
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| 22:23.35 | Knowerrors | is dd part of another package (a cli tool) ? I can't find it listed in synaptic |
| 22:23.53 | benJIman | Knowerrors: you will amost certainly have it installed |
| 22:23.55 | annma | Knowerrors: google |
| 22:24.13 | benJIman | know dd if=/dev/<partition> of=imagefile |
| 22:24.21 | annma | and issuing man dd might help |
| 22:24.22 | PhilRod | hi illogic-al :-) |
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| 22:25.49 | Knowerrors | I think all try partimage first, has a gui, somewhat... |
| 22:26.04 | benJIman | Knowerrors: dd is easier, one command |
| 22:26.33 | Knowerrors | will it only image used blocks? |
| 22:27.12 | benJIman | i'm not sure, you can compress the output if you want |
| 22:28.17 | Knowerrors | Im doing my root, which is 4.15G used of 5G, and want to make sure it fits on a 4.3G DVD |
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| 22:38.38 | annma | PhilRod: there's a doc bug for KCalc |
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| 22:44.10 | Anonycat | Is there a known incompatibility with Kaffeine and h264-encoded AVIs? |
| 22:44.34 | annma | is tehre one in xine? |
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| 22:47.14 | Jefis | does any one know, when kde4 will be finished? |
| 22:47.42 | annma | in like 1 year or 18 months |
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| 22:47.58 | annma | but no, nobody knows |
| 22:48.33 | Zajec | hello, could some1 with KDE 3.5 (and Konqueror 3.5) check my test-case crashing page http://paulinka.be/zajec ? it crashes my Konqueror |
| 22:49.21 | Jefis | hmmm |
| 22:49.25 | Jefis | that's long time |
| 22:49.32 | annma | that's hard work |
| 22:49.53 | Zajec | looks like problems with rendering serif + italic font |
| 22:50.05 | annma | I see Text in italic |
| 22:50.11 | annma | no crash |
| 22:50.17 | Zajec | weird... |
| 22:50.19 | Ci-Dev | No crash here either. |
| 22:50.24 | annma | konq is 3.5.1 |
| 22:50.26 | oGALAXYo | Zajec: self compiled ? |
| 22:50.40 | annma | Jefis: you can help if you wany |
| 22:50.42 | annma | want |
| 22:50.43 | Zajec | oGALAXYo: no, installed from RPM just today |
| 22:50.51 | annma | Zajec: distro? |
| 22:50.55 | Jefis | em |
| 22:50.57 | oGALAXYo | Zajec: then you might have hit a fontconfig issue. |
| 22:50.57 | Zajec | Mandriva 2006.0 |
| 22:50.59 | Jefis | what to help? |
| 22:51.05 | annma | Zajec: report Mandriva bug |
| 22:51.12 | annma | Mandriva messed its packages |
| 22:51.14 | oGALAXYo | Zajec: there's a bug about it in bugs.kde.org |
| 22:51.22 | Jefis | use slackware, comes with zero bugs |
| 22:52.01 | annma | a kde devel installed mandriva rpms and noted several crashes |
| 22:52.01 | oGALAXYo | Zajec: you can read about here http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1627 |
| 22:52.36 | Jefis | mandrake tries to make everything so simple, and user friendly, and it comes to bugs |
| 22:52.42 | oGALAXYo | Jefis: and someone from mdk noticed it too http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116176 |
| 22:53.13 | sander | annma: from an hour+ ago. I'm not sander koenig. :) |
| 22:53.23 | annma | sander: ok ;) thanks |
| 22:53.45 | annma | I fixed a bug this Sander reported and I wanted to check if I did right |
| 22:54.04 | Zajec | oGALAXYo: ok, thanks for info |
| 22:54.29 | sander | Well, next time I see him at the Sander club I'll be sure to mention it. :) |
| 22:54.36 | annma | LOL |
| 22:54.51 | Jefis | oh, by the way, does anyone know, konqueror hands(and pc) when i set RenderAccel "true" in xorg.conf ? |
| 22:55.04 | Jefis | driver - nvidia |
| 22:55.36 | sander | It's funny how the Internet changes things. For many years I was the only one with this name that many people knew, now every channel on freenode people mistake me for someone else. |
| 22:55.59 | frb | I need a gui grep |
| 22:56.26 | PhilRod | Jefis: that option is marked experimental |
| 22:56.34 | sander | well thanks and good night! |
| 22:56.54 | PhilRod | Jefis: it breaks here too (but not just in KDE) |
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| 23:11.21 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 23:11.48 | DaBlade | Konqueror occasionally crashes when I exit it. It's no bother for me since I'm closing it anyway, but I thought I'd report it as a bug: |
| 23:11.49 | DaBlade | http://pastebin.com/480843 |
| 23:11.53 | DaBlade | Backtrace ^ |
| 23:12.20 | DaBlade | KDE 3.5, Kernel 2.6.14.2, SimplyMEPIS Linux |
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| 23:13.58 | FuzzyTheBear | why people come here to report a bug instead of filing at bugzilla ? |
| 23:14.44 | annma | because they are lazy |
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| 23:39.53 | na641 | hey guys |
| 23:39.55 | na641 | anyone alive? |
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| 23:40.31 | na641 | hi |
| 23:40.37 | na641 | i was wondering |
| 23:40.42 | na641 | how can i reset my kmenu |
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| 23:40.53 | Dhraakellian | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.00 | Dhraakellian | </holly> |
| 23:41.24 | na641 | Dhraakellian: tragedy :\ |
| 23:41.50 | Dhraakellian | yeah, a big,smegging tragedy |
| 23:41.59 | na641 | Dhraakellian: do you know how i can reset my kmenu? |
| 23:42.17 | Dhraakellian | not off the top of my head, no |
| 23:42.23 | Dhraakellian | I forget which files control it |
| 23:43.18 | straw | na641: what you mean "reset"? after you've made changes with the menu editor? |
| 23:43.41 | na641 | yeah, sorta... i remember there was a file i could delete that had all my custom kmenu items in it |
| 23:43.47 | na641 | and it would reset to the 'standard' menu |
| 23:44.12 | straw | na641: ~/.local/share and ~/.config |
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| 23:44.54 | straw | note the Trash is stored in ~/.local/share |
| 23:46.51 | thiago | you can "reset" your K menu by erasing ~/.local/share/applications and ~/.kde/share/applnk |
| 23:47.05 | thiago | that will also reset your file associations |
| 23:47.43 | na641 | ok thx |
| 23:48.19 | thiago | but not, interestingly, your association orders. So the associations revert to their defaults, but the order you set is kept. |
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| 23:59.41 | frb | ya know, printing things to stdout in an X app is pretty silly |
