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00:02.57KnowerrorsAny people here that have Midi working?  I do but am looking to improve performance
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00:09.52CHodappKnowerrors, what sort of performance issues do you have?
00:10.16Knowerrorswell, my cpu goes up to over 90% just playing back some songs
00:10.56CHodappWhat CPU? And what sound card? Do you have a wavetable loaded?
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00:11.16CHodappyou can probably use hardware synthesis on the soundcard, instead of using whatever softsynth is available
00:12.16CHodappbut I used to play Midi files on a Pentium 2, 233 MHz, and it wouldn't take that much CPU time to do it realtime
00:14.00KnowerrorsIm using ubuntu, and supposedly only Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZX, Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Platinum, Sound Blaster Live!
00:14.10KnowerrorsIm using a Athlon XP 1.8G
00:14.21CHodapp90% CPU time on that?
00:14.26Knowerrorswith Timidity and http://www.fbriere.net/debian/dists/testing/misc/deb/timidity-patches-eaw_12-0fbriere.1_all.deb
00:14.30Knowerrorspatch set
00:14.31Knowerrorsyeah
00:15.11CHodappI am also using eawpats and my CPU load is undetectable with Timidity.
00:15.53Knowerrorshmm, something wrong with my setup then?  it fluctuates from 0% idle to 38% while playing some songs
00:16.06CHodapptry it from commandline
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00:16.36Knowerrorssame thing
00:17.04CHodapphrm
00:17.21CHodappfind some soundfonts, load with asfxload, and try 'pmidi' or 'amidi' or something
00:17.55CHodappthere are other softsynths, like FluidSynth, that can use soundfonts as well... you can use pmidi to play to them, I think
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00:18.34KnowerrorsI have FluidSynth installed also, but I couldn't get soundfonts to load, couldn't find synth device
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00:19.14CHodappcouldn't find synth device?
00:19.15CHodapphmmm
00:19.39dec0dinganyone has Ati Radeon 9200 series and uses Translucency options in KDE ? (slackware 10.2, kde 3.4.2, xorg 6.8.2)
00:19.48dec0dingI mean I have that system
00:19.57dec0dingand the translucency is awful
00:20.01KnowerrorsCHodapp: yeah, synth device
00:20.07dec0dingnothing works properly
00:20.28CHodappdec0ding, try new X with its Exa support, perhaps... only Radeon has full support so far in Exa, I think.
00:20.46dec0dingCHodapp, 7.0 ?
00:20.59CHodappyes
00:21.21CHodappI tried translucency in KDE with my Radeon 9250 but it was unusably slow
00:21.47dec0dingahm...then u tried with Exa ?
00:21.59CHodappnot yet, because I'm on my box via VNC right now
00:23.06dec0dingahm
00:26.29CHodappI'm pondering whether to get a really good CRT, or a decent LCD with DVI..
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00:55.36tzangercan anyone assist in getting my spellchecker working?  I have aspell and it works just fine, but KDE just can't seem to use it for spellchecking email, etc.
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01:27.11PlasmaHHhi, anyone can assist me with kmail 1.9.1 ? Im trying to use it to send an email but it keeps telling me about SASL error "no mechanism available" ... what can I do to make it work ?
01:28.39mike-mconfigure the smtp account
01:29.21PlasmaHHhow ? I have setup server and login and passwort, what else should I do ?
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01:29.41mike-mconfiguration>configure kmail>accounts>sending mail (in the top there are receiving and sending)
01:30.25mike-mselect your smtp account, and configure it like it should be, remove ssl if it isn't supporting it
01:30.27PlasmaHHyes, I added my account data there
01:30.46PlasmaHHits on no encryption and PLAIN  for login
01:32.15mike-mi don't know more /-:
01:32.34PlasmaHHI really wonder what it wants with sasl ...
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01:33.02mike-mi dunno
01:33.31mike-mdid you try the button "check what the server supports" (or something like this) ?
01:34.12PlasmaHHyes, it displays several things, no combination works, its not the fault of the server... it sends a "EHLO" to the server and then a "QUIT" and I get the error messages, its completely local
01:35.57mike-mand does only kmail not work? did you try with telnet?
01:36.28PlasmaHHeverything else works fine
01:36.33mike-mok
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01:43.54joedjhi folks. i'm trying to embed python in a Qt app and then use the pydcop module from python. when i attempt to import the module, i get "QApplication: There should be max one application object". any ideas?
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02:15.33versailyhow can i eneble transparent windows???
02:16.10versailyive seen screenshots with transparent windows (like xmms and the temnial) how can i do it???
02:16.44lc23how can i get the bsod screensaver ?
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02:32.25FuzzyTheBearGentlemen  Ladies , to you all a very merry Christmas , health , love and prosperity for the new year.
02:33.54strawthank you, FuzzyTheBear :)
02:34.07strawsame to you
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02:57.01vaxoRe!
02:57.06vaxohi xmas people
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02:59.43mhallI was just playing with the KDE 3.5 translucency settings and enabled them but they are not doing anything yet. Do they require an X setting or a restart of KDE that I'm missing? kcontrol did not warn about either.
03:01.19AnonycatIs there anything for KDE with the same function as gnome-applet-netspeed?
03:02.44mhallwhat does it do
03:03.17mhalltry knetload
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03:05.37_sojournerhow do I change the suse green meatball for kmenu to the K and gear ?
03:06.41Atomic_UEis there some kind of keyboard layout for a ms wireless multimedia keyboard 1.1?
03:07.27Atomic_UEThere a layout for 1.0a but that misses a number of buttons and has a few back to front when using 1.1 keyboard
03:07.30hydrogenmaybe in lineak
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03:11.43vax-Re!
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03:16.15MechaRoeySMiLeaf:  play videogames?
03:16.31SMiLeafMechaRoey: *shrugs* .. just got done coding for 8hrs :/
03:16.55SMiLeafrewrote at least 40% of 1 of my websites
03:16.55oGALAXYofinally all my bookmarks sorted again... that was a pain... i went through them one by one (because pages change every now and then) reloaded them, sorted new ones, recategorized some etc... took me 2 days... 583 bookmarks...
03:16.58MechaRoeySMiLeaf:  wow
03:17.16SMiLeafMechaRoey: new methods are so nice tho!... code is far more readable
03:17.28MechaRoeyoGALAXYo:  let me ask you a question about use rinterface
03:17.37oGALAXYoyes
03:17.47MechaRoeyoGALAXYo:  So I have my computer at home
03:17.51MechaRoeyoGALAXYo:  and I have another at work
03:17.57oGALAXYoyes
03:18.03MechaRoeyoGALAXYo:  and KDE on both
03:18.11MechaRoeyoGALAXYo:  now, how should I synchronize the bookmarks?
03:18.44MechaRoeyoGALAXYo:  more generally than that, what if I want bookmarks to automatically synchronize
03:18.44MechaRoey?
03:19.10SMiLeafyou can export / import ?
03:19.18MechaRoeysure.
03:19.19MechaRoeybut then,
03:19.24Atomic_UEuse a cron job to copy them from one machine to the other?
03:19.35MechaRoeyeh, I dunno, I always seem to lose track of which export file is the latest one.
03:19.43lc23hey anyone know how to get the bsod screensaver in kde ?
03:19.46Atomic_UE~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml
03:19.50MechaRoeyhmm, ok.
03:19.53Atomic_UEI think that's the file
03:19.57MechaRoeyAtomic_UE:  right, but
03:20.03SMiLeaflc23: I think that's an xscreensaver
03:20.11lc23ok
03:20.12MechaRoeywell... I guess.
03:20.35MechaRoeyAtomic_UE:  now, what about akregator feeds?
03:20.52oGALAXYook time for bed.. hell i am happy that i sorted that shit again.
03:20.56MechaRoeyAtomic_UE:  I find a new feed and I have to add it to both work & home manually
03:20.58MechaRoeyoGALAXYo:  :)
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03:21.35Atomic_UEif u don't want to copy that bookmark.xml file use 'keditbookmarks --nogui --exporthtml' or some option like that, but it requires X to be running and stuff :S
03:22.03oGALAXYoit used to be 471 bookmarks.. i deleted some and added nearly 100 new ones.
03:22.32MechaRoeyatok
03:22.36oGALAXYo471 ~20 deleted... 583 now..
03:22.36MechaRoeyoGALAXYo:  :) awesome.
03:22.43MechaRoeyoGALAXYo:  are you a packrat like me
03:22.46oGALAXYo132 new ones.
03:23.02oGALAXYoi like my shit organized
03:23.05Atomic_UEMechaRoey: file:///home/atomic/.kde/share/apps/akregator/data/feeds.opml
03:23.11MechaRoeyoGALAXYo:  where you have all these links that you probably don't ever visit yet consider them important enough that they're worth keeping
03:23.19MechaRoeyAtomic_UE:  ah, thanks
03:23.38Atomic_UEMechaRoey: or use a cronjob to export akregator stuff too, I do
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03:24.20harryguyhello room
03:24.48SMiLeafhmmm... maybe I should work on getting graphics acceleration working
03:24.52oGALAXYohello hairyguy
03:25.25SMiLeaf2.4GHz and an ATI card and it can't even render the OpenGL screensavers better than a 400Mhz
03:25.27harryguyi'm trying to write a plugin (it seems kinda like i'm using perl) for gaim and i want to use DCOP, do i just type "dcop then command....."
03:25.42strawi swear my isp/telco is staffed by crack addicts
03:25.43harryguydo i have to include a library or something
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03:26.01ErtainHello anyone.
03:26.20harryguyi don't know much about perl so this is a lot of cut and pasting other plugins and adding in what i need
03:26.30harryguyand hoping i'm right
03:26.39ErtainWhat I'd like to know is about /etc/modprobe.conf
03:26.53harryguyit is a file
03:27.00harryguywhat do you want to know about it?
03:27.07SMiLeafharryguy: you can run shell commands by using `` around the command in perl. so if it works using your shell.. it'll work there.
03:27.14harryguyok, thanks
03:27.35ErtainDoes anyone know about the syntax of /etc/modprobe.conf?
03:27.48harryguyertain> did you try googler
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03:28.10ErtainYep.  Couldn't find much.
03:28.11harryguy*googleing
03:28.16SMiLeafErtain: did you try the man pages ?
03:28.46SMiLeafman modprobe.conf
03:28.59ErtainActually, it's just that it keep ignoring a part in the file, something about an error with "remove".
03:29.34SMiLeafErtain: I'd ask in ##linux  .. they are pretty helpful normally for me.
03:29.50ErtainRight-o then.
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03:32.20harryguydoes anybody know what this line might be trying to say\do? " #define RB_IID"OAFIID:GNOME_Rhythmbox" "
03:32.31harryguyRB_IID?
03:32.56SMiLeafmaybe I'll patch konversation to pick up ##channel links :/
03:33.53Atomic_UESMiLeaf: Find out how I can get the "special" keys on this ms wireless multimedia 1.1 keyboard to work properly :P
03:34.15harryguygo to the acessabilties page in kde control center
03:34.48harryguysitting here using it as we speak
03:35.48Atomic_UEharryguy: I've tried a few of the layouts...a number of the keys still don't function and a few are mixed up
03:35.55harryguywhich ones?
03:36.15harryguyi couldn't get a few also, put a post on a msg board then gave up
03:36.21Atomic_UEharryguy: atm i've resorted to trying each of the layouts no matter how right or wrong it is, to see if i can find one that is the most correct :P
03:36.49lc23does anyone know how long kdegames should take to emerge in gentoo ?
03:37.00harryguythe
03:37.30SMiLeafAtomic_UE: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_Multimedia_Keys
03:37.37SMiLeafAtomic_UE: anything else? =p
03:37.38harryguy"microsot wireless multimedia keyboard 1.0A" layout dosn't have all the keys workingm but none of them are  mixed up
03:37.50Atomic_UEthere's a wireless multimedia 1.0a that gets the multimedia keys but that's it. The natural/internet pro layout has a few more keys that work
03:38.05harryguyo, i'm using the natrual one
03:38.10harryguy*a natrual one
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03:40.58harryguygees, going thorugh a plugin to chaing it from using rhythmbox under gnome to amarok under kde, and it seems like talking to another app is a heck of a lot harder in gnome than it is in kde
03:42.23SMiLeafharryguy: that's cuz in gnome you can't have anything do too much or you'll confuse someone =)
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03:45.42MechaRoeySMiLeaf:  very true ;)
03:46.03MechaRoeySMiLeaf:  (you'll confuse the venture capitalists who wouldn't otherwise invest in Ximian)
03:46.15SMiLeafXD
03:46.37SMiLeafI hate saying that but it's sadly true.
03:46.45MechaRoeySMiLeaf:  And that's a direct jab at Ximian for dicking Gnome over in the past few years.
03:46.51MechaRoeyand Ximian dicked over Novell too.
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03:48.07harryguyi made a slight mistake before, i thought this plugin was made in perl, it was made in c (when i noticed that the name ended in .c i felt quite dumb), how do i contact dcop from within c?
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03:49.01SMiLeafyou can in cpp very easily :)
03:49.58harryguythe file i'm trying to screw around with ends in .c so....
03:50.42SMiLeafout of curiousity what are you trying to do anyway?
03:51.23harryguyi'm trying to get gaim to display what song i'm listening to at the bttom of my profile ( i use amarok)
03:52.10harryguyi found one that does that for rhtyumbox under gnome, and i don't know much about how to write plugins so i'm seeing if i mess around with it i can get it to work with amarok
03:52.24SMiLeafyou might try finding a 'now listening' plugin to see how they get that info.
03:53.00harryguyk
03:53.16SMiLeafI know kopete has a plugin for that.. maybe not appending it to your profile. but the now playing.
03:53.36harryguyi think i saw one before that puts the song from amarok into your conversation so i'll look if i can find that again
03:54.03harryguythe one for rythum box make it so you can to %r and it replaces with the song
03:54.17harryguylike %t and %u do in aim
03:56.27SMiLeafI only started with linux 3 yrs ago :)
03:57.09mike-mi started 1 year and a half
03:57.39harryguyabout 10 months
03:57.58harryguyfist to try for the hell of it, then i just had no reason to go back to windows so i stayed
03:58.13SMiLeafwow.. maybe I'm almost on my 4th year.
03:58.37SMiLeafstarted just a few months before kde 3.0 was released.
03:58.43jhutchinsI ran it on servers for years before I switched my desktop because desktop performance was so much slower.
03:59.11harryguyi think about 6 years ago i tried it, but didn't have a clue what i was doing so i swittched back
03:59.19jhutchinsFinally did a hardware upgrade that didn't have W95 drivers, and I never upgraded Windows.
04:00.12jhutchinsI find that a couple of years experience in text mode makes a LOT of difference in how well people manage a system.
04:00.32SMiLeaf2002-2003 I did a lot of switching back and forth.. but after XP crashed for the 2nd time leaving me with everything lost yet again.. I went solo-linux :)
04:00.38harryguyright after i started i tried a gentoo stage 1 instlation
04:00.58jhutchinsContrary to some beliefs, I think the GUI tools don't make it easier to learn, they protect you from having to learn things you should know.
04:01.04harryguynever worked all the way, but i learned a heck of a lot about the workings of linux while i did it
04:01.13SMiLeaf1.4rc2 was my first Gentoo.. havn't gone to any other distro since. :)
04:01.46jhutchinsharryguy: I have a couple of current Gentoo servers and a desktop, and I would ventur that Gentoo _still_ doesn't work all the way.
04:02.21harryguyafter trying every major distro i could find known to man (and some minor ones) i'm using suse on my desktop and in the process of installing gentoo on my laptop
04:02.54SMiLeafI got gentoo installed on both my laptop and desktop. desktop I'm using as a server toh.
04:02.55harryguyj> i haven't used it enfoguht to comment, but that seems understandable\expectable
04:03.17harryguyi have two serves in my basment (two old comps each using fedora) and they do fine
04:03.41SMiLeafit probably took me around a year to get familuar enough with both gentoo and my laptop to get _everything_ working how I want it. :)
04:04.46SMiLeafwell.. I suppose I still don't have graphics acceleration..  but I don't play games much
04:04.59SMiLeafbrb
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04:05.57harryguyGetting video cards 100% working is always a pain, on any distro
04:06.03SMiLeaf##testy
04:06.05SMiLeafmeh
04:07.10mike-m05:06 Irssi: ##testy: Total of 1 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 0 normal]
04:07.11mike-m>|
04:07.27SMiLeafmike-m: trying to get it highlighted in konversation
04:08.41mike-mah
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04:13.05jhutchinsSMiLeaf: Konversation only highlights single hash prefaced words as channels, but will open the channel if it's valid.
04:13.08jhutchins#wicca
04:13.18jhutchins(Not valid here)
04:13.18harryguydoes anybody know what the diffrence between gchar and gchar is?
04:13.36SMiLeafjhutchins: I know.. I'd like it to highlight double hashed prefaced words as channels
04:13.37jhutchins11 spaces to the left?
04:13.47jhutchinsSMiLeaf: think you'll have to hack that.
04:13.57SMiLeafjhutchins: already in progress
04:14.06jhutchins##doesn't ##work ##here
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04:46.27MechaRoeyok.
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04:50.59mobtekMechaRoey: speaking of mecha, you got heavygear 2 linux iso? :P
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04:51.11JustinSHi all .. I've got kde-3.5 and would like to make it as much like a Mac as I can (mainly for play, but I do like the kicker kind of thing they have) .. I would like to add a kicker down there where the icon's work like the mac's .. simple?
04:52.03mobtekJustinS: hmm karamba stuff on kde-look.org iirc
04:52.33mobtekcool dock or whatever it's called
04:52.36MechaRoeymobtek:  no, I didn't know it's out ;)
04:52.40Atomic_UEartsd keeps telling me "couldn't load file ..."
04:52.42MechaRoeyif that's a game?
04:52.53Atomic_UEit seems to only occure on mp3 and ogg files
04:52.57Atomic_UEanyone know why?
04:53.01mobtekMechaRoey: haha yes came out years ago, now defunct, think I can find an iso :P
04:53.07MechaRoeymobtek:  hehe
04:53.19mobteksince no cs or mechwarrior for linux sucks
04:53.26king_elessarJustinS: On the baghira site, they have a tutorial on making your computer look like a mac...
04:53.38mobtekbut my nvidia drivers suck so much and freeze all the time it's not worth the trouble heheh
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04:55.18JustinSking_elessar: and mobtek .. cool .. on my way .. I just downloaded the tar from kde-look.org .. called KDE X .. we'll see what it's got .. And where is superkaramba in 3.5? It said it's included now but I don't see it anywhere ..
04:55.20king_elessarJustinS: http://baghira.sourceforge.net/OS_Clone-en.php
04:55.34king_elessarJustinS: kdeutils
04:55.59JustinSking_elessar: thanks much ..
04:56.45MechaRoeymobtek:  tell me more
04:56.54MechaRoeymobtek:  do you have a geforce4 ti4x00 by any chance?
04:57.14MechaRoeymobtek:  I'm considering buying a new(er) nvidia card.  This fucking thing freezes on me all the time
04:57.21mobtekti4200 yes
04:57.25mobteksame here dude
04:57.30mobtekpissing me off no end
04:57.32MechaRoeymobtek:  or more like, it causes X to take up 99% CPU time.
04:57.37mobtekyuppers
04:57.41MechaRoeymobtek:  apparently it is a 4200 thing
04:57.44MechaRoeyupgrade past a geforce4.
04:57.52mobtekwhen I have a spare $100 I'm getting another friggin card :)
04:57.57MechaRoeywhat kind?
04:58.04mobtekhmm > 5200
04:58.07MechaRoeyok
04:58.38MechaRoeyI thought thatthe 5x00's are just rebranded 4x00's
04:58.38mobtekyou read the nvidia forums you can see which brands and knockoff nividia's don't work
04:58.39mobtekyeah some of them are
04:58.41mobteksome of the 5200's work without a hitch
04:58.46MechaRoeyoh, so you read of this problem in the forums too?
04:58.49mobtekother are rebranded and crash all the time
04:58.55MechaRoeyjeez.
04:59.00mobtekhaha yes I have put in about 5 bug reports
04:59.08MechaRoeyso.. I can't just get a 6600 eh? I have to read the forums too?
04:59.14MechaRoey<PROTECTED>
04:59.14mobtekyes do
04:59.28mobtekhttp://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=14
04:59.30mobtekheheh
04:59.32MechaRoeythanks
05:00.01MechaRoeyhttp://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=9aa9c12cf82fc2a3e4909ef646aca21e&t=58498
05:00.37mobtekyeah I don't get that hehe
05:01.24mobtekmight compile 2.6.14.4 and see if the hdd speed of access issues I had with x.2 are fixed
05:01.28MechaRoeyI don't trust nvidia anymore, honestly.
05:01.37mobteksame
05:01.54MechaRoeyit's too confusing to find a card that will work 100%.
05:01.54mobtekI wish ati would open their drivers and I'd buy a nice ati card, which seem to kick arse on the macs hehe
05:02.10MechaRoeyand even then, the drivers limit you so that you can't do certain things
05:02.39MechaRoeyI don't remember off the top of my head, but I think it's that you can't do xinerama simultaneously with dri
05:02.57mobteknope
05:03.00MechaRoeyno?
05:03.04MechaRoeyso what I said is true?
05:03.07mobteknvidia need to pull their heads out of their arses
05:03.14MechaRoeyheh
05:03.19mobteklast good driver was 4496
05:03.29MechaRoeywell if they GPLed their drivers..
05:03.36mobtekI'd go back to that driver if it compiled with 2.6.x kernels
05:03.38MechaRoeyeven 4496 caused X to lock up on me.
05:04.08mobteknah never had that with that driver, but I was using the hacked up version not the nvidia release hehe
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05:04.59MechaRoeyhello Alethes
05:05.27Alethesheya :)
05:05.54Alethesmotorola E815 phone with a 1.3 megapixel cam, bluetooth and mp3 player :D
05:06.02mobtekhehehe <3 make mrproper
05:06.21MechaRoeycongrats Alethes
05:06.35Aletheshttp://www.cellphones.ca/cell-phones/phone/324/
05:06.55mobtekhmm might time this kernel compile and see how long it now takes after mrproper
05:09.38MechaRoeyAlethes, mobtek: http://www.rockpapersaddam.com/one.html
05:10.31mobtekahha MechaRoey seen the one from that '70s show with cockroach something and nuclear bomb?
05:10.33Aletheshahaha
05:11.48MechaRoeyoh no?
05:11.52MechaRoeymobtek:  no?
05:11.55MechaRoeyAlethes:  the saddam thing? :)
05:12.23Alethesyeah :)
05:12.28MechaRoeyit's so creative
05:12.37MechaRoeywho would've thought to come up with that sort of dialogue.
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05:14.43mobtekahh cockroach hand nuclear bomb
05:14.49mobteknuke beats hand
05:14.54mobtekhand beats cockroach
05:15.00mobtekcockroach beat nuke :P
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05:17.21mobtek3 mins so far for kernel compile
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05:21.47mobteknot bad
05:22.05mobtek7mins 43 secs for a kernel compile on this 2.8Ghz
05:22.30halcyonCorsairdoes anyone know how to find odd characters like this?
05:22.35halcyonCorsairah crap...it won't show
05:24.36mobtekok new kernel reboot
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05:26.19Octanewhat the hell is http cache clearner
05:26.21Octanecleaner*
05:34.17MechaRoeyOctane:  clears your http cache maybe?
05:34.30Octaneding ding ding
05:34.42MechaRoeyOctane:  you have cached images and pages in that cache.
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05:35.05MechaRoeygood night :)
05:35.08mobtekheh weirdness again on 2.6.14
05:35.11Octanecya
05:35.11MechaRoeyeel
05:35.12mobtekhehe nite MechaRoey
05:35.13MechaRoeyeek
05:35.15MechaRoeyaye
05:35.24MechaRoeymobtek:  btw, before I go, what was the weirdness all about
05:35.37mobtekno idea
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05:35.41lc23hello
05:35.43mobtekkonversation takes forever to start
05:35.52mobtekkmail becomes non-responsive
05:35.56mobtekkopete freezes
05:36.00lc23any one here using 3.5 ver ?
05:36.01halcyonCorsairdoes anyone know of a tool to recode stuff to utff-8?
05:36.08halcyonCorsairlc23: me
05:36.08mobteklike wtf is in the 2.6.14 kernel that screws with kde?
05:36.28lc23what flavor you have with it ?
05:36.51mobteklc23: chicken :P
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05:37.02lc23lol
05:37.21lc23no i wanted to know if anyone with gentoo is using 3
05:37.26mobtekahh I am :)
05:37.26lc23.5
05:37.47mobtekworks great with < kernel 2.6.14 :P
05:38.01lc23how would i update from 3.4.1 to 3.5
05:38.09camhey all does anyone here know the difference between Karamba and Superkaramba and are the themes/widgets interchangable?
05:38.12mobtekMechaRoey: nothing in dmesg :)
05:38.26mobteklc23: there is a thread on gentoo forums mate
05:38.37lc23oh ok
05:38.38mobtekask in #gentoo someone there will rememeber the url prolly :)
05:39.24MechaRoeymobtek:  cat it as root.
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05:39.41mobtekMechaRoey: haha I am of course :)
05:39.58mobtek<-- linux user since '98 kekek
05:40.15mobtekMechaRoey: you can't cat my logs without being root hehe
05:40.34MechaRoeyahhh ok
05:41.20mobtekhe MechaRoey I wish activision would release the source to Mechwarrior and Heavygear 2 so we could have linux native ports :)
05:41.31mobtekoh and counterstrike source as well hehe
05:43.42MechaRoeyHEH
05:43.42MechaRoeyok
05:43.55MechaRoey(how about the source to nvidia's drivers)
05:43.57MechaRoeyonce and for all.
05:44.06MechaRoeythis is such a stupid game nvidia'srunning.
05:44.17MechaRoeyand what's more,
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05:44.39MechaRoeythe fact that proprietary kernel modules are allowed sets up a dangerous precedent.
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05:44.56MechaRoeyfirst nvidia refuses to open up.
05:45.00MechaRoeythen Broadcomm.
05:45.08systemofadownwhat is size of a icon in the bar, 16x16?
05:45.19Alethesit's either allow the proprietary modules or no driver
05:45.27systemofadownnvidia can't open up,it would be sued
05:45.34AlethesI'd rather have what nvidia puts out than nv
05:45.41MechaRoeysystemofadown:  I've heard of that.  I call BS.
05:46.14systemofadownactually nvidia has nda with developers of chips and other stuff on the boards
05:46.49MechaRoeysystemofadown:  sure.  But then, why can't they GPL the portion of their nforce drivers that deals with a simple ethernet port?
05:46.53MechaRoeys/port/controller.
05:47.48systemofadownyou have a point
05:47.52MechaRoeyand in that case
05:48.09MechaRoeywhy not sufficiently abstract the NDA stuff away from the driver interface
05:48.17MechaRoey>in the hardware<
05:48.31systemofadowni was thinking more of the line of the video card line
05:49.15systemofadownmy friend wants to buy a nforce board
05:49.18MechaRoeyok
05:49.58systemofadownits not really good to run linux on that
05:50.03MechaRoeyaye.
05:50.08MechaRoeyyou know what...
05:50.13MechaRoeywhen that OpenGraphics card ships
05:50.15MechaRoeyI'll buy it.
05:50.31systemofadownwhen is it going to ship?
05:51.45MechaRoeyI don't know.
05:51.52MechaRoeythey don't have a NEWS section on their wiki
05:51.58MechaRoeythey don't have a STATUS section either.
05:52.04MechaRoeyhttp://www.opengraphics.org
05:52.14MechaRoeyanyhow, I'm going to sleep
05:52.16MechaRoeygoo dnight :)
05:52.20MechaRoeyand thanks for the convo
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06:07.55can-o-wormscan someone tell me what gui will show me how much space is used on a local hard disk?
06:08.43Aji-Dahakakdiskfree?
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06:09.32raf256I selected shadows & transculency
06:09.35raf256but they dont work
06:09.36raf256any ideas?
06:09.44Aji-Dahakaraf256: did you restart X?
06:09.54Aji-Dahakaraf256: do you have composite enabled?
06:10.06Aji-DahakaoGALAXYo: around?
06:10.24systemofadownif a pie binary has no text segment where is the code stored then?
06:10.24raf256Aji-Dahaka: it would seem so
06:10.39raf256$ xdpyinfo | grep -C 1 Composite
06:10.39raf256<PROTECTED>
06:10.39raf256<PROTECTED>
06:10.39raf256<PROTECTED>
06:11.19Aji-Dahakawould it also seem that you restarted X since you enabled them?
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06:15.03raf256Aji-Dahaka: no
06:15.05raf256ok let me tru
06:15.10Aji-Dahakawait ...
06:15.20Aji-Dahakayou could also see if manually starting kompmgr does the trick
06:15.25Aji-Dahakaeither way /should/ work
06:19.06can-o-wormsAji-Dahaka: thanks man...
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06:21.29Aji-Dahakacan-o-worms: anytime
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06:23.18bubarmerry christmas !
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06:34.15rickmainesi've tried grass ... too complex
06:34.26rickmainestried qgis too ... seems easy enough
06:35.30halcyonCorsairwhere are servicemenus in konqueror and how do i get one to show up after copying the .desktop file to the correct place in my ~/.kde ?
06:39.00systemofadownhow do i do multipule spaces in html again?
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06:44.31Aji-Dahakasystemofadown: &nbsp;&nbsp; etc ...
06:44.44Aji-Dahakasystemofadown: stands for non-breaking space
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07:06.40camdoes anyone use karamba? I'm looking for a nice clear theme...with clear widgets?
07:06.52Aji-Dahakakde-look.org
07:07.35camyeah I've checked that site :(
07:08.12Aji-Dahakaoodles there
07:08.14camI was looking for more...
07:08.26Aji-Dahakathat's where most (?) of them are
07:08.55camhmmm, I'm a bit tired, I need to recheck ...
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07:11.34systemofadownin europe do companies drug test for pot?
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07:49.02araizendoes anyone know how to keep kde from trying to automatically detect/mount a cd/dvd?
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08:12.38Aji-Dahakaaraizen: disable the HAL thing?  it should be a service in 3.5
08:16.24araizenokay, so i got to peripherals->storage media in kcontrol, set 'do nothing' as teh autoaction for all the types of media, and uncheck all the boxes in the advanced tab, including 'enable hal backend', but when i restart kcontrol everything is as it was, and kde still pops up a box asking what I want to do when i insert a dvd
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08:21.29Aji-Dahakabug report!
08:21.32Aji-Dahakabugs.kde.org
08:22.05araizenokay, i've never done that before
08:22.19araizendo I just report it exactly as it's happening for me?
08:22.43araizeni mean, i can't guarantee that it will happen the same for anyone else, and know how things tend to go, it probably won
08:22.45araizenwon't
08:22.51araizenand i don't want to waste anyone's time
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09:09.31a4techhi all
09:09.44a4techi 've got a problem about KDE
09:09.50a4techbut i dont speak english well
09:10.03a4techoncelikle turkce konusan varmý diye sorsam ?
09:10.28a4techok
09:10.34a4techwho can help me ?
09:12.45araizena4tech: anyone here can try to help, just say your problem
09:13.38a4techok but i dont speak english well
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09:30.44bLuEsNoWwhy does kde support linux but needs a sepparate project for freebsd ?
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09:41.52Mortis_kruulHi all! Look at http://www.muzyka.oz.pl :)
09:41.56bLuEsNoWno.
09:42.08a4tech?
09:44.16B-Minushello all
09:44.49B-Minusis it possible to fix the desktop icons bugs without upgrading to 3.5 ?
09:44.59B-Minusthe icons change in position everytime i logon
09:45.21B-Minusi dont want to compile 200 mb source for 1 bug
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09:46.22bram85B-Minus: probably not
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09:48.33B-Minus:s
09:48.50benJImanB-Minus: you can use binary packages
09:49.15B-Minusye but whats the use of gentoo then
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10:00.28camquestion, I just installed karamba via yast...where is it located now?
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10:13.44bram85B-Minus: that's the risk of using gentoo
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10:58.06ataxicmerry xmas all, enjoy
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11:15.49B-Minushow is the binnary package kde called for gentoo ?
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11:15.56safsfhi
11:19.07safsfi have a lil problem here with double entries in the kde menu (on mandriva). they even occur on a freshly created user. many entries in the start menu just appear twice. any clue as to how to get rid of these?
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11:25.25McScruffyou could go into the kmenu and remove them?
11:25.51McScruffright click on the kmenu and goto menu editer
11:26.13safsf(trying)
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11:54.01Fletchis there a way to auto-generate the kde menus?
11:58.13bubarupdate-menu ?
11:58.45bubarupdate-menus ?
11:59.03bubarupdate-m<TAB> ?
12:00.03FuzzyTheBeardang ..  i tried a locate menu  :)  error   major error ..
12:02.49FuzzyTheBeari found this thread to be of some help
12:02.51FuzzyTheBearhttp://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-kde/2004-Aug/0042.html
12:06.01FuzzyTheBearsuggestions about deleting the ~/.kde/tmp-hostname/ksycoca link, log out and let KDE
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12:06.45FuzzyTheBeari got no such file btw.
12:07.57FuzzyTheBear~/.kde/tmp-hostname/ksycoca    < hostname needs to be your hostname.
12:09.14B-Minusanyone using digikam ?
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12:39.46PhoenixManOn my X Desktop, when running as any user beside root, Konsole displays an error: Font '-misc-console-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1' not found."
12:40.24PhoenixManAlso, WINE doesn't run; it can't display an error, while Xmessage is installed.
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12:40.29srbakerhey folks
12:40.36srbakeri'm looking for an anti rsi app for KDE.
12:40.38PhoenixManThis only happens if I'm logged in as anyone but root. Any help?
12:40.42srbakerthe closer to Workrave it is, the better?
12:41.21Hobbseesrbaker: rsibreak
12:41.26Hobbseenot used it, but it looks interesting
12:42.03PhoenixManuh
12:42.40srbakeri'm seriously considering doing a port of workrave to kde
12:43.29PhoenixManOn my X Desktop, when running as any user beside root, Konsole displays an error: Font '-misc-console-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1' not found."
12:43.36PhoenixManAlso, WINE doesn't run; it can't display an error, while Xmessage is installed.
12:43.41PhoenixManThis only happens if I'm logged in as anyone but root. Any help?
12:44.38srbakerbrb
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12:54.35CiRkiTI heard kopete 3.11 could bring up a list of chatrooms like gaim, I installed it and have intensive googling if its true or not I haven't been able to find anything proving there really is a chatrooms list....is it possible with this version?
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13:27.27_Vickerhi, where is drag and drop of Menu items to Desktop set? Right now it's not working
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13:30.53thiagoVicker: what do you mean?
13:31.39Vickerhi thiago, ya i am able to say drag k3b from App menu to desktop to create a shortcut
13:31.47Vickeri am not able*
13:32.00thiagoright
13:32.09thiagoyou're not allowed to drag anything from the K menu
13:32.33Vickeri used to do that before
13:32.41Vickerusing 3.5 now
13:32.58thiagoI don't remember it ever being possible
13:33.14thiagohmm... is your panel locked?
13:33.20Vickeryes
13:33.27thiagounlock it
13:33.29B-Minuscan i download a kde-bin for gentoo ?
13:33.32Vickerok
13:33.34B-Minusor source only :s
13:33.40thiagoB-Minus: ask Gentoo people.
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13:34.29Vickerthiago: yep, that's it, i am able to drag now, thanks
13:39.20B-Minusi suppose i have to get out of kde if i want to upgrade from 3.4 to 3.5 ?
13:39.28B-Minuswith gentoo
13:40.16VickerB-Minus: not necessary though
13:41.16VickerB-Minus: it will install in a new directory - /usr/kde/3.5/ and you will be given an option in DM to choose between 3.4 and 3.5
13:41.37B-Minusi see
13:42.19VickerB-Minus: you always get rid of 3.4 later
13:42.24B-Minusbut all my 3.4 settings wont be inherited by 3.5 ?
13:42.43Vickerit will because ~/.kde is shared and common
13:42.57B-Minusoh
13:43.34Vickerbefore they used to have ~/.kde3.1 and ~/.kde3.2 and so on, now they have only .kde
13:43.55B-Minusbut all programs from 3.4 will they be overwriten by the new ones
13:43.58B-Minusor even that not
13:44.21Vickerno, they won't be overwritten
13:44.46Vickeryou gotta unmerge them manually, or maybe there is simpler way to remove them which i don't know
13:44.49B-Minusso there is absolutely nothing that can go wrong
13:44.57Vickerbasically, yes
13:45.48B-Minusbut that also means
13:45.55B-Minusive downloaded a lot of new kde progs
13:46.01B-Minusi wont see them in 3.5
13:46.32Vickeryou mean like kaffeine, k3b, etc., ?
13:46.43B-Minusye like digikam, some chat progs etc
13:46.48B-Minusftp progs
13:47.00Vickerthey are all kde based ?
13:47.00B-Minuskopete
13:47.06B-Minushmm not all i guess
13:47.10B-Minusxchat
13:47.24B-Minusbut many are
13:47.34Vickeri guess you will be able to see them in 3.5 as well
13:47.40Vickernot sure though
13:48.07Vickerbut kde apps would be a be still linked to kde-3.4, you need to recompile them in 3.5
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13:49.29B-Minusic
13:49.48baroslis there kicker applet to change cpu frequency? what name?
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13:51.59B-Minusbut
13:52.03B-Minusif i just want the new kopete
13:52.04B-Minusi do
13:52.08B-Minustommylinux ~ # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge -pv kopete
13:52.16B-Minusbut its gonna download some 3.5 stuff as well
13:52.29B-Minusthats also gonna be in /etc/kde3.5/ ?
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14:00.24ceewhat package have the camera protocol ioslave?
14:05.23VickerB-Minus: i think you are using split builds
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14:05.53VickerB-Minus: i don't know how it works in split builds, i use kopete as well, but it's part of kdenetwork
14:06.03B-Minusok
14:06.17Vickeryou might try asking this in gentoo
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14:29.50AnonycatI'm trying to open up an AVI file, but Kaffeine immediately closes with a segfault every time.  Backtrace gives no information.  Any other reports of this?
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15:38.29B-Minusis there some manual to upgrade from 3.4 to 3.5 ?
15:39.37hydrogenno real need
15:44.20B-Minushmm
15:44.39B-Minushas anyone upgraded from 3.4 to 3.5 in gentoo here ?
15:44.42SAngeliHi, I run vmware workstation and have dual boot pc with WinXP Home and gentoo. Is it possible to avoid installing WinXP Home again and use the existing partition to dump it into VMWare workstation? Perhaps, taking an image with either dd or with Norton Ghost from DOS? Any advice?
15:44.54Aji-DahakaB-Minus: I did a while back, it was pretty easyish
15:45.12B-MinusAji-Dahaka: did you lose any progs or configurations or anything ?
15:45.34B-MinusAji-Dahaka: i installed several kde progs, am i gonna have to install them again ?
15:46.01Aji-DahakaB-Minus: went cleanly for me.  What "kde progs" do you mean?
15:46.14Aji-DahakaB-Minus: I reinstalled all of kde and all that depended on it
15:46.16B-Minushmm several ftp progs
15:46.23B-Minushmmz
15:46.27Aji-DahakaB-Minus: ah, it was just emerge -u for me
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15:49.27B-MinusAji-Dahaka: you mean after the emerge kde ?.
15:50.00B-Minusyou just did emerge -u after ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" kde ?
15:50.16Aji-DahakaB-Minus: well, yeah, a few weeks after I had initially emerged kde 3.4, they put kde 3.5 in portage, I just emerge -u worlded
15:50.33Aji-Dahakawell, I had te packages.unmask to get kde 3.5 available
15:50.36Aji-Dahakabut yeah, essentially
15:50.46B-Minusic
15:51.00B-Minusand can you still choose too boot 3.4 ?
15:51.19Aji-DahakaI could on my system, yeah
15:51.32Aji-Dahakacheck and see if it installs in a new slot or not
15:51.45hydrogen3.5 installs in a new slot
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15:51.55SMiLeafhum de dum de do :/ ... stupid ati drivers.. I just want opengl screensavers T.T
15:52.03B-Minushmm
15:52.14B-Minusbut im gonna have to configure too much
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15:52.18B-Minuslike my theme etc
15:52.25Aji-DahakaI'v since stopped playing with linux so I'm not sure of its current state :)
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15:52.51B-Minushow long is it gonna take to emerge the new kde
15:53.04SMiLeafB-Minus: depends on your system
15:53.07B-Minuswith +enablekdefinal or something
15:53.07Aji-Dahakaa while
15:53.11Aji-Dahakaget a coke or something
15:53.18B-Minusye kde 3.4 took 9 hours
15:53.21Aji-Dahakaand the LoTR video series
15:53.27Aji-Dahakaprobably about the same as 3.4
15:53.28SMiLeafa coke won't last that long :)
15:53.33B-Minusoh
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15:53.47B-Minuswell 3.5 doesnt give THAT much new stuff ill just wait for 4.0
15:53.55B-Minusthe only thing i want is the new kopete
15:54.05Aji-Dahakaumm ... 4.0 is really a long ways off
15:54.09Aji-Dahaka> 1 year, I think
15:54.14SMiLeafat least.. lol
15:54.15B-Minusbut that one is gonna download the 3.5 kde base
15:54.41Aji-DahakaSMiLeaf: any idea when 3.5.1 is coming?
15:54.46Aji-DahakaSMiLeaf: gotta be soon, huh?
15:54.59SMiLeafAji-Dahaka: schedule says mid January
15:55.09B-Minustommylinux ~ # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge -pv kopete
15:55.13Aji-Dahaka3 more weeks, then?
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15:55.26SMiLeafAji-Dahaka: ya
15:55.27B-Minus[ebuild  N    ] kde-base/kopete-3.5.0  +arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdexdeltas -sametime +ssl -xinerama +xmms 7,278 kB
15:55.30B-Minusso
15:55.32B-Minuswhats gonna happen here
15:55.43B-Minusis he gonna delete my 3.4 kde base ?
15:55.45hydrogenIt's gonna upgrade kopete
15:55.49B-Minusye i know
15:55.55hydrogenand uhh
15:55.55B-Minusbut whats gonna happen with kkde base
15:56.00hydrogendon't use ACCEPT_KEYWORDS on commandline
15:56.01hydrogennothing
15:56.10SMiLeafB-Minus: I'd just upgrade it all.
15:56.23Aji-Dahakaupgrading it all is a better idea
15:56.23B-MinusSMiLeaf: ye but i dont have 9 hours to compile
15:56.36SMiLeafB-Minus: you don't have to do it all at once :)
15:56.37Aji-Dahakakde isn't all thet tested with mix-matched versions
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15:57.56B-Minusi only want 1 thing of kde 3.5
15:58.12B-Minusand ive to configure my whole system for it
15:58.13B-Minus:s
15:58.19B-Minusill just wait
15:58.26Aji-Dahakaalright ... as you wish
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16:00.19B-Minusalso it sucks that in 3.4 the desktop icons are bugged :(
16:00.30B-Minuseach time on reboot they are on another place
16:00.38Gentlesame on 3.5
16:00.42B-Minuswtf
16:00.48B-Minusso that bug is still not fixed ?
16:01.17GentleI don't really think it's a bug, it's more an incompatibility with xinerama (at least for me)
16:02.03Aji-Dahakaicons on the desktop?
16:02.07Aji-Dahakawhat a funny idea
16:02.38B-MinusAji-Dahaka: ye its not funny to start everything from console
16:02.47B-Minusor kde menu
16:02.57B-Minusi have all my windows drive on desktop so its easy to mount etc
16:03.05Aji-DahakaB-Minus: quicklaunch + baghira starter, what else would I nead?
16:03.10Aji-Dahakaneed*
16:03.22B-Minusi have no idea what you are talking about
16:03.23B-Minus:p
16:03.29Aji-Dahakaof course quicklaunch and terminal are always available, too
16:03.29B-Minusso im gonna check it out
16:03.34Aji-DahakaI'm not an icon person
16:03.41B-Minusany url of that ?
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16:03.45Aji-Dahakawhich?
16:03.55Aji-Dahakabaghira?  I'm sure there is ...
16:04.03Aji-Dahakaquicklaunch is just part of kicker
16:04.31B-Minusyou mean the run command ?
16:04.42B-Minus!google baghira
16:05.05Aji-Dahakathe quicklaunch is called quicklaunch ... it's a bit like the icons you can put on the kicker
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16:06.05harryguyi'm trying to learn how to use dcop in c, and there is something i don't understand: if a dcop call returns a value how to retrive it
16:06.48oGALAXYothats magic :)
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16:07.23harryguymagic is olny an illusion :)
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16:09.05harryguyno chance you know the method behind the trick?>
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16:11.27madpenguin8harryguy: you might be better off asking in #kde-devel
16:11.39harryguyok
16:11.40harryguythanks
16:13.47harryguygee dosn't anybody hang on irc at 8:00 on a sunday morning which happens to be chrismass
16:14.11Aji-Dahakato be sure
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16:28.46_linushello
16:29.18B-Minushmm nice those applet applets
16:29.18B-Minus:p
16:29.23B-Minuscan i download some more ?
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16:32.23Kaffienhello i have recently upgraded my laptop to kde 3.5 since then whenever i power on my laptop and try to bring my wireless online the kernel panics
16:32.29Kaffienany ideas?
16:33.50benJImansounds rather unrelated to kde
16:33.56oGALAXYoyep...
16:33.56Kaffieni know that
16:34.01oGALAXYowhat distro ?
16:34.06Kaffienbut im letting you know exactly when it occurred
16:34.14Kaffiengentoo 2005.1
16:34.18oGALAXYothats why
16:34.26Kaffienkernel 2.6.13-r
16:34.27oGALAXYouse a distribution
16:34.34oGALAXYowith stable kernels
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16:34.40benJImanoGALAXYo: ask for help in gentoo channel
16:34.44benJIman*kaffeine
16:35.03Kaffienlol the kernel has not changed at all though ....
16:35.09oGALAXYolook
16:35.15oGALAXYoif the kernel crashes then its a kernel issue
16:35.24oGALAXYoyou speak with someone who is part of the kernel maintainers.
16:35.30oGALAXYo<-- me in this case
16:35.39oGALAXYouserland shit shouldnt crash the kernel
16:35.46Julianyushi
16:36.08Kaffienwhere can i usually find you then galaxy?
16:36.54oGALAXYoKaffien: tie a nullmodem cable to your computer (together with another one) and then catch the oops through a terminal program such as minicom.. and then sent the bug to the lkml
16:37.35Kaffien*sigh*  i am useing a craptop with no serial port
16:37.37oGALAXYoKaffien: i maintain the dc395x scsi driver.
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16:38.46oGALAXYoKaffien: get a reliable distribution (a binary one) and install that one on your laptop.
16:39.10oGALAXYowhen you boot kde and it triggers your wlan settings which then triggers the broken code in the kernel then its clear that it crashes.
16:39.15Kaffienmost dont support my hardware and up until now gentoo has been the most reliable distro i have used
16:39.19oGALAXYoas long as its not triggered through anything it wont be crashing.
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16:39.31oGALAXYoobviously not reliable enough in this case.
16:39.44Kaffienits  an rt2500 driver issue   hold on a sec
16:40.17oGALAXYoplease report to #gentoo
16:40.20Kaffienwhen a driver crashes within an interrupt handler, usually because it tried to access a null pointer within the interrupt handler.
16:40.32oGALAXYoplease report to #gentoo
16:40.32Kaffienessentially what happens
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16:40.44oGALAXYothanks
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16:41.41labretHow do I re-generate the menus?
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16:50.16anisXhoho..
16:50.17anisXmery XMAS
16:50.46B-Minushello
16:51.08LinuxNIT-laptophey guys i installed kde from source. i have installed arts kdelibs and kdebase. i should be able to start kde now right?
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16:52.34oGALAXYoLinuxNIT-laptop: yes
16:52.51LinuxNIT-laptopok i use gdm how do i get kde to show up in gdm?
16:53.05oGALAXYouse kdm
16:53.27LinuxNIT-laptopwhy cant i use gdm?
16:53.37oGALAXYoyou can use it.
16:53.38LinuxNIT-laptopi kinda like it :)
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16:53.48oGALAXYobut i dont know what you need to change to have it accept kde
16:53.53LinuxNIT-laptopoh
16:53.57oGALAXYoi think you need to write some kde.desktop script file for it.
16:54.07oGALAXYoand have it put into the sessions dir of gdm
16:54.12LinuxNIT-laptopok how do i startd kde from the command line with startx?
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16:54.31oGALAXYostartkde
16:54.34LinuxNIT-laptoplol
16:54.35LinuxNIT-laptopok
16:54.36LinuxNIT-laptopthanks
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16:54.56oGALAXYocould be kdestart or startkde
16:54.58oGALAXYoone of the two
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16:55.36LinuxNIT-laptopuh oh
16:55.46LinuxNIT-laptopniether of those show up
16:55.49LinuxNIT-laptopcrap
16:56.13oGALAXYoaehm of course you need to export paths and libprefixes first
16:56.23oGALAXYopointing to the prefix where you installed kde.
16:57.42LinuxNIT-laptophow wouldi do that? or is there a howto i should read
16:58.03oGALAXYowhy do you compile KDE then if you dont exactly know what to do ?
16:58.20oGALAXYoa binary distribution gives less pain.
16:58.34LinuxNIT-laptopcause im using debian sarge and kde is way outta date
16:58.53oGALAXYook lemme give you an idea..
16:59.22LinuxNIT-laptopand i know there are debian sid sources but i didnt want to have to fix stuf all the time
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16:59.31oGALAXYohttp://www.rafb.net/paste/results/28yhC346.html
16:59.37oGALAXYothats how my .xinitrc looks
16:59.43LinuxNIT-laptopk
16:59.47oGALAXYoyou probably need to make it point to the prefix you used to install kde.
16:59.47LinuxNIT-laptopthanks
17:00.16LinuxNIT-laptopmuch appreciated
17:00.26oGALAXYodoes it work ?
17:00.47LinuxNIT-laptopdunno yet
17:00.59oGALAXYo<PROTECTED>
17:01.11oGALAXYoin case you installed it in /opt/kde3.5 you need to alter it
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17:02.23SAngeliI learned that it is possible with this command "dd if=/dev/hd[abc][123] of=file.image" to take an image of an entire partition all in one file. Now, how to restore it back?
17:03.01benJImanif = input file, of = output file
17:03.11SMiLeafSAngeli: the same way only in reverse?
17:03.31oGALAXYodd if=file.image of=/dev/hda
17:03.33SAngelicould be
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17:04.00oGALAXYoSAngeli: but it would be better to 'tar xfjv /tmp/yoursystem.tar.bz2 /' your system
17:04.05oGALAXYorather than using DD
17:04.09oGALAXYoits also a smaller file at the end.
17:04.22SAngeliis it? I do not know anything about dd
17:04.24oGALAXYoin case you change HD or partitions one day
17:04.33oGALAXYodd only dumps a hd.. same site
17:04.35oGALAXYosize
17:04.39SAngeliI was adviced to use dd for taking an image of an entire partition
17:04.41oGALAXYotar.bz2 crunches the stuff too.
17:04.42SAngeliplease advice...
17:04.49oGALAXYook both versions work
17:04.59oGALAXYoone makes an image.. the other crunches and archives all files
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17:05.09oGALAXYopersonally i use tar.bz2 for this stuff..
17:05.11flosofthey
17:05.30flosoftwhat do I need to set up on a server to remote connect with the KDE Remote Login ? is it nx-server?
17:05.37SAngelioGALAXYo: saying I wish to use dd, what would the command be to resotre an image?
17:05.49oGALAXYooGALAXYo dd if=file.image of=/dev/hda
17:05.54oGALAXYoor hda1
17:05.55oGALAXYoor hda2
17:05.56SAngelithks
17:05.56oGALAXYoetc.
17:06.19oGALAXYobut dont execute that on the same disk
17:06.19SAngelido I have to rm -R *.* in the /dev/hda before I proceed?
17:06.23oGALAXYono
17:06.31SMiLeafbetter and safer to use tar IMO.
17:06.37oGALAXYoyep
17:07.11SAngeliSMiLeaf: could you please elaborate?
17:07.16flosoftwhat do I need to set up on a server to remote connect with the KDE Remote Login ? is it nx-server?
17:07.26oGALAXYodd is accessing the raw diskdrive... writing back sectors.
17:07.42oGALAXYotar is tar'ing up the entire harddisk (only files directories links etc)
17:07.46oGALAXYowhich is far better.
17:07.53SMiLeafSAngeli: if you use dd... not only do you have this HUGE file.. but it also could be a problem restoring it later if you modify the partition or get another HD.
17:07.57oGALAXYobetter in case you change the harddisk, in case you change filesystem etc.
17:08.11SAngeliAnd what about permissions?
17:08.27SMiLeafSAngeli: permissions are fine if you use the -p option
17:08.30oGALAXYoSAngeli: tar takes care for it..
17:08.41SMiLeafwhen extracting that is.
17:08.42oGALAXYoSAngeli: tar is exactly written for doing exactly what you ask for.
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17:08.59oGALAXYoSAngeli: dd is like norton ghost on windows
17:09.05SAngeliCould you please show me the proper tar command to 1) create an image file of an entire partition 2) how to restore it back?
17:09.10SAngeliI see
17:09.12oGALAXYoSAngeli: tar is like the backup program from microsoft coming with windows.
17:09.20SAngeliI see
17:09.40oGALAXYoSAngeli: tar cfjv <path to backupfile/filename.tar.bz2 /
17:09.44Hedeoman tar
17:09.49SAngeliI know man tar
17:09.50oGALAXYowhere the last / says i want to tar all
17:10.02oGALAXYoall starting from root point
17:10.04flosoftwhat do I need to set up on a server to remote connect with the KDE Remote Login ? is it nx-server?
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17:10.29oGALAXYoSAngeli: try ths small example "tar cfjv /tmp/test.tar.bz2 /bin" as root
17:10.54SMiLeafoGALAXYo: doesn't the f have to be last? :S
17:10.56oGALAXYoSAngeli: and look the file size.. then use something like midnight commander and click on the file (select it and press enter) you see that it only archived the files.
17:11.00oGALAXYoSMiLeaf: no
17:11.12SMiLeafoGALAXYo: ah.. I've always ran into trouble putting it other places
17:11.18SAngelioGALAXYo: like "tar cfjv /home/user1/backup.img.tar.bz2 /dev/hda1/"
17:11.23oGALAXYoSMiLeaf: depends on the implementation
17:11.28SMiLeafwants to name it things like v and j :)
17:11.29oGALAXYoSAngeli: no... that doesnt work
17:11.41oGALAXYoSAngeli: you tar FILES not a whole harddisk
17:11.48oGALAXYoyou can tar harddisks as well.
17:11.53oGALAXYobut its better to archive the files.
17:12.09oGALAXYoSAngeli: try my example
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17:12.47oGALAXYoSAngeli: tar c=crate f=file j=crunch bz2 v=verbose acts like LHA, ZIP, RAR
17:13.00oGALAXYoSAngeli: taking all the files into account, dirs, permission, time, etc.
17:13.17SAngelioGALAXYo: one sec I am on the phone, please ... sorry
17:13.23oGALAXYoSAngeli: you can also have it tar the whole partition if you want its requiring a bit different commandset then
17:13.25SMiLeaftar --exclude=/usr/portage --exclude=/var/tmp -jlpcf `uname -n`-`date +"%Y%m%d"`.tar.bz2 /{bin,boot,etc,initrd,lib,opt,sbin,usr,var}
17:13.25oGALAXYoSAngeli: ok
17:13.31SMiLeafthat's my full backup command :)
17:13.32eduedixhi
17:13.40oGALAXYoSMiLeaf: heh i have a smaller one :)
17:13.57oGALAXYoSMiLeaf: i copy all the entire partiton to /.tmp and tar the .tmp dir up :)
17:14.11oGALAXYooh and why do you use a initrd ?
17:14.46SMiLeafoGALAXYo: it was in the / so I included being I'm on a laptop and do use an initrd for my bootsplash
17:14.59oGALAXYoi see.
17:15.26SMiLeafactually I can remove that being I don't see it there anymore.. that command is quite old.
17:15.31flosoftwhat do I need to set up on a server to remote connect with the KDE Remote Login ? is it nx-server?
17:15.53oGALAXYoflosoft: try activating xmdc or hows it called in kdmrc
17:16.10oGALAXYoflosoft: that way you can connect your remote with another X server X -query <ip>
17:16.36FuzzyTheBearcommand line login      ..  ewwwwww    ; )
17:17.45flosoftxmdc?
17:17.50flosofthow? where?
17:18.03B-Minusis it possible to download kicker applets somewhere ?
17:18.05B-Minuscant find any
17:18.17SMiLeaffuzzy wuzzy was a bear.. fuzzy wuzzy had no hair.. fuzzy wuzzy wasn't fuzzy was he?
17:19.36SMiLeaf:'(
17:19.49FuzzyTheBear:)) Hi SMLeaf   merry christmas :)
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17:20.05SMiLeaf:) .. merry christmas to you also!
17:20.24flosoftoGALAXYo: I installed libxdmcp6
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17:21.48SMiLeafflosoft: google is your friend ;) ... http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_XDMCP
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17:22.21flosoftSMiLeaf: but is xdmcp that connection protocol that u can put as remote logon in KDM=
17:22.22flosoft???
17:22.45LinuxNIT-laptopoGALAXYo, i got kde to start i installed it to the default /usr/local/kde/bin and edited my .xsession file to start kde
17:22.59LinuxNIT-laptopoGALAXYo, i appreciate the help thank you very much
17:23.08SMiLeafflosoft: with that you can remote login.. no clue how to use kdm to init the remote login tho.
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17:23.51flosoftSMiLeaf ... u know there is the option ALT+R or so ... if you go to menu ... there is Remote Login
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17:25.25SMiLeafflosoft: never used it :)
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17:33.41SAngelioGALAXYo: Here I am back
17:33.53SAngelioGALAXYo: are you there?
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17:39.02LinuxNIT-laptophey guys i just got done installin kde from source. i have arts kdelibs and kde base installed. in the other source folders such as kdemultimedia can i just instal certain parts like just noatun and kmix but not the others?
17:39.34SMiLeafLinuxNIT-laptop: you'd be correct :)
17:40.04SMiLeafjust do a configure.. then cd into each you want make && make install
17:40.07LinuxNIT-laptopso do i do ./configure in the kdemultimedia dir the say cd into kmix and do make then make install?
17:40.10LinuxNIT-laptoplol
17:40.11LinuxNIT-laptopok
17:40.16LinuxNIT-laptopcooolness
17:40.54LinuxNIT-laptopthanks SMiLeaf
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17:44.48emiragahow to make start menu in kde look like an xp start menu? (i saw on some screenshoots)
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17:45.15SMiLeafemiraga: those were not screenshots but rather well drawn/modified ones
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17:45.38emiragaSMiLeaf: moment
17:45.40neopcalguem sabe como eu faço para me conectar por outro servidor
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17:46.02fsudoes kitchensync include any support for nokia-phones(syncml)?
17:46.13Rafaelalguem sabe como eu faço para me conectar por outro servidor
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17:46.48emiragaSMiLeaf: http://gentoo-wiki.com/Image:Dec-MyWorld.jpg
17:48.28fsuemiraga: that's kbfx or something.. try look it from kde-look or kde-apps
17:48.56SMiLeafOh the button
17:49.12SMiLeafyah.. kbfx.. or there is also a patch for 3.4.
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17:49.50emiragathanks :)
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17:51.12B-Minushow do you like my desktop now :p http://users.skynet.be/minus/snapshot2.png
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17:52.32oGALAXYohttp://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2gs.jpg
17:52.34oGALAXYothats my
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17:53.27B-Minusgnome :(
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17:53.54SAngelioGALAXYo: I am back. Can we resume our previous conversation?
17:54.36MechaRoeyoGALAXYo:  it's interesting how you're so into KDE yet you use GNOME for the desktop
17:55.25oGALAXYoMechaRoey: yeah i suck :)
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17:55.41EvilGuruhi
17:55.57oGALAXYoMechaRoey: http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot16jn.png thats better :)
17:56.19SMiLeafhttp://smileaf.org/images/desktop-20051225.png
17:56.41oGALAXYoforbidden
17:56.57SMiLeafeh? .. oops.. lol
17:57.12SMiLeafdark default permissions
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17:57.30SMiLeafOk
17:57.34SMiLeafnow try
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17:59.36B-MinusoGALAXYo: you have an amiga ?
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18:00.36oGALAXYoB-Minus: i had a few, sold all of them and now sit on a pegasos 2
18:00.43B-Minuscool
18:00.48B-Minusi was also an amiga freak
18:00.51B-Minustoo bad it all ended :(
18:01.06oGALAXYowell it hasn't ended actually.
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18:01.15oGALAXYobut the current amiga community is full of sick people.
18:01.29B-Minusdidnt know there still was a community
18:01.29nuxilhello people.. why cant i send my webcam to my friends on windows "msn" they dont get any picture.. but if i send my webcam to another kopete it shows.. i can recive fine tho.. anyone got an idea why its like this?
18:01.30B-Minushehe
18:01.37magyarEvery time i start KDE i get this error message: "Sound server fatal error:cpu overload, aborting"  (SID amd64, KDE 3.4.3)
18:01.56B-Minusyou also played games ?
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18:02.30oGALAXYohttp://www.gofromiel.com/feelin/screens.php?show=images/screens/hi/20050822 http://www.gofromiel.com/feelin/screens.php?show=images/people/hi/20058017_damir_crystal http://www.gofromiel.com/feelin/screens.php?show=images/people/hi/20050212
18:02.39oGALAXYoB-Minus: amiga is still quite alive.
18:02.47B-Minushmm really
18:02.50oGALAXYoB-Minus: continuing in AROS, MorphOS and AmigaOS4
18:03.04B-Minusi was in the scene from 90 till 98 or something
18:03.14oGALAXYoAROS is open source amiga OS clone.. but the most advanced oneas are MorphOS and AmigaOS4 for powerpc machines.
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18:03.22B-Minuswith amiga 500/1200 A CD 32 and A4000
18:03.32B-Minusbut then they collapsed or something
18:04.34B-Minushmm those screens want to make me install winuae :p
18:04.40B-Minusis that available on linux
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18:15.49r3texwhat do i use so i can burn an .avi file in K3B ?
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18:15.59r3texi need to convert it to mpg2, what tool do i use?
18:16.03FlosoftI tried XDMCP ... it keeps kicking me back to my own login
18:16.08Flosoftdoes this need the same X
18:17.08SMiLeafr3tex: your wanting to make a VCD I take it?
18:18.06r3texSMiLeaf:  sure, SVCD or something that my gf's dad can play on his DVD player
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18:28.42SMiLeafr3tex: well I'm finding mpeg->avi converters ;)
18:29.07bUscher-g2use ffmpeg =)
18:29.13r3texheh :P i find some dodgy gtk apps
18:29.34r3texbUscher-g2:  i would but it's for my g/f:s dad
18:29.46r3texgf = guardian force
18:29.48r3texjk
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18:39.08SAngeliSMiLeaf: based on your backup tar line, I tried this and it seems to work. can you please tell me if this is correct? "tar -jlpcf `uname -n`-`date +"%Y%m%d"`.tar.bz2 /dev/sda1"
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18:41.35francescoHello, how can I obtain a menu bar like the one here: http://digilander.libero.it/zzzdgl0/scrinsciot2ua.png ?
18:41.55francescoPleaaaaaase!
18:42.39SAngeliSMiLeaf: also, when I wish to reverse back the entire partition, 1) do I first have to rm *.* from /dev/sda1 ? 2) what would the tar command be to restore all back? Please...
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18:47.42|Steffi|Hello! Anybody here who can help me with ivman? i have newest version of dbus, hal, udev and ivman, but automount doesn't work. Manual mount works fine...
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18:52.16Blissex|Steffi|: you have dug yourself in pretty deep :-)
18:52.41|Steffi|why?
18:52.53BlissexSAngeli: what's «reverse back the entire partition»?
18:53.12Blissex|Steffi|: thats a pile of misdesigned, rube-goldeberg style stuff.
18:53.31|Steffi|so what can i do?
18:54.06firephoto|Steffi|: you don't really need ivman, make sure you have pmount though.
18:54.18|Steffi|hmmm
18:54.22Blissex|Steffi|: abjure the temptations of the devil called GKH and reflect on the pointlessness of automouting. And its dangers.
18:54.47firephotoif you need ivman for something special, make sure it's running as root as the rc service and as user when kde starts.
18:55.38|Steffi|well sometimes i don't use KDE but poor console...so automount would be nice
18:55.45|Steffi|so i thought of ivman
18:55.59firephotowhat kde version |Steffi| ?
18:56.06|Steffi|3.5
18:56.19|Steffi|on gentoo
18:56.26firephotoit's probably just the ivman running as root but not as user. start it up as user and you should be ok.
18:56.41firephotomake sure you're in the plugdev group too in /etc/group
18:57.09|Steffi|my user is in plugdev group and i start the init script in /etc/init.d/ivman
18:57.15|Steffi|at boot....
18:57.26firephotoright... you need to run ivman again as your user when kde starts if you use ivman
18:57.28EvilGuruhow do I set the default x resolution?
18:57.44firephotothe user ivman does the mounting/umounting
18:58.34|Steffi|yes but it doesn't create the directories in /media where the mounted devices should got to
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18:59.04BlissexEvilGuru: in the X cconfig file, in the 'Screen' section, the first one in each list is the default.
18:59.05SAngeliBlissex: once I have an entire partition backed up in one file, if I decide that I wish to erase the entire partition and untar the file I created so I can restore the OS as before what tar command would I use and would I need to rm *.* on before?
18:59.15EvilGuruthanks, as currently it is far too hight
18:59.23BlissexSAngeli: no, just 'mkfs' it again.
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18:59.38SAngeliBlissex: so, just format it again, right?
19:00.03BlissexSAngeli: to restore usually something like 'tar -xS -p -z -f ....'
19:00.03sg313Hi everyone. And a somewhat late merry Xmas to you all! How can i change the handling of irc:// protocol, e.g. the program that konqueror starts if such a url is entered?
19:00.08firephoto|Steffi|: are your udev dbus hal pmount ivman version the same as http://sh.nu/p/869 ?
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19:01.48SAngeliBlissex: and what about the tar command? To backup I use "tar -jlpcf" to restore would it be "tar -jlpxf"?
19:02.08BlissexSAngeli: more or less yes.
19:02.28SAngeliBlissex: basically the same as before but replace "c" with "x"
19:03.30|Steffi|firephoto..yes but dbus is r1 not r2
19:03.42BlissexSAngeli: not necessarily, but you specified 'p' in creating, which is pointless, but is needed in restoring.
19:03.58SAngelithks
19:04.04firephoto|Steffi|: thats fine.. did you emerge kdebase or kdebase-kioslaves after those were updated (if they were)
19:04.48|Steffi|hmmm no
19:05.58|Steffi|well not long ago i didn't update my whole system with gentoo
19:06.08|Steffi|sorry ..i DID update...
19:06.33|Steffi|so kdebaseand kioslaves will have been updated there
19:06.57firephotoyou do have a /media dir right?
19:07.02|Steffi|yes
19:07.15firephotowhat kind of media are you trying to detect/automount ?
19:07.21|Steffi|permissions are root/root
19:07.31|Steffi|digital camera
19:07.44firephotowhat kind of camera ?
19:07.52|Steffi|an olympus c765
19:08.06|Steffi|it comes up with a mass storage device
19:08.32|Steffi|mount works with mount /dev/sda1 /media/cam -t vfat fine
19:08.36firephotoyou don't have any fstab related entries for it do you ?
19:08.58|Steffi|no...
19:09.25firephotoso when you plug the camera in it doesn't show up in media:/ ?
19:09.43|Steffi|no...:-(
19:10.18firephotostop /etc/init.d/ivman      and kill any user instance of ivman if you have one running and try it again.
19:10.20Blissexsg313: that would be the IRC KIOslave, but no idea how to configure that.
19:10.31|Steffi|when i plug in the camera dmesg says that the device is plugged at scsiXand so on...but there's nothing about ivman
19:11.39|Steffi|nothing...
19:12.14sg313Blissex, a grep -e irc on .kde3.5 also didn't show up anything useful
19:13.44firephoto|Steffi|: could be you need some special rule somewhere but if it's getting detected and assigned a /dev node it should show up.....
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19:14.16specsmuI just installed kde on gentoo, and there are a few strange things, one of them being that kcontrol is empty.  anyone know why?
19:14.30|Steffi|the problem is that nothing works with ivman..mp3-player another camera usb-stick..nothing
19:15.16|Steffi|and ivman doesn't show up in /var/log/messages ..some time ago everything worked fine
19:15.30|Steffi|perhaps a problem with some kernel-settings or udev?
19:15.34firephotoi'd work without ivman till the devices show up
19:15.58|Steffi|are there any alternatives for automount? with kde?
19:16.19|Steffi|is it enough to compile all kde-components with hal-support?
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19:17.06firephoto|Steffi|: if you don't have ivman.. then automount happens in the action of "clicking the icon" or saying yes to what option you are presented with.. ;)
19:17.48|Steffi|is there something like in windows "New device found..what to you want to do?"
19:17.54firephotoso turn ivman off every where till you see your devices in media:/ then go from there with what you need.
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19:19.07firephoto|Steffi|: yes... that's the default behavior with kde now in 3.5.. no ivman needed for that.
19:20.01|Steffi|hmm..ok so i will delete ivman..but that dialog also doesn't show up..so perhaps a problem with hal?
19:20.05|Steffi|or even dbus?
19:20.28firephoto|Steffi|: that would be my guess. maybe you have some old hal configs that are interfering.
19:20.49|Steffi|what about deleting hal and all configs?
19:20.58|Steffi|and then reinstall?
19:21.21LinuxNIT-laptopi tried to start kxdocker and it couldnt find libkio.so.4
19:21.27firephotoyou could do that for the /etc/hal  and dbus stuff and re merge them.
19:21.29LinuxNIT-laptopany idea how to fix this?
19:22.03|Steffi|do you know where the configfiles for dbus and hal are? (so i don't forget anything ;-) )
19:22.41firephoto|Steffi|: the defaults are fine.. so if you  rm /etc/hal and /etc/dbus* then re emerge them you'll be ok.
19:23.10|Steffi|ok...
19:23.27firephotoand udev too if you don't have any special rules....
19:24.10|Steffi|where are the udev configs?
19:24.19firephotoin /etc/udev ;)
19:24.35|Steffi|lol..that are all?
19:24.46|Steffi|so i delete all those and reinstall them ;-)
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19:25.05fckheadsslackware doesnt use HAL
19:25.06fckheadswhy
19:25.20firephotoyes those three packages.... /etc/ files are protected on gentoo so old files don't get removed when the packages update things...
19:26.39|Steffi|well i just deleted the folders :-)
19:27.04|Steffi|and now i'm reemerging udev dbus and hal
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19:30.20sanochaorhola
19:30.27sanochaorFeliz Navidad a todos
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19:36.52nebulushi. is there a way to execute applications directly from konqueror. there was a exec kioslave within kde 2.x i remember.. but how does it work now?
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19:38.16|Steffi|wow..thank you firephoto..now it works
19:38.40|Steffi|when i look at my /var/log/messages there is
19:38.47|Steffi|Dec 25 20:39:34 stefficl ivman: New Device: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_7b4_105_000375565029_if0_scsi_host
19:38.48|Steffi|Dec 25 20:39:34 stefficl ivman: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_7b4_105_000375565029_if0_scsi_host wasn't mounted, by us or by others...
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19:39.16|Steffi|New Device: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_7b4_105_000375565029_if0_scsi_host
19:39.25|Steffi|is this normal?
19:39.31firephoto|Steffi|: it will say that... if you want ivman to automount it... just run ivman when kde starts too and the "user" ivman will do the mounting.
19:39.48|Steffi|ok
19:39.54|Steffi|and this "wasN
19:40.14|Steffi|"wasn't mounted, by us or by others" is this normal?
19:40.21firephotoyes..
19:40.24|Steffi|ok :D
19:40.32|Steffi|so big thanks!
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20:24.31bUscher-g2shift+paste doesnt work for me, but strg+v what have I done wrong? :|
20:24.36nebulushow can i disable the tabbuttons in a konqueror profile?
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20:31.22SAngeliI am having troubles with this error "tar: Removing leading `/' from member names" when using tar command: tar --one-file-system -vjpcf test1.tar.bz2 /boot
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20:36.37EvilGurucan someone help me with konqueror
20:36.45kommerckwhat's wrong
20:36.54EvilGurubackground it black (file mode)
20:36.58EvilGuruand so is the text
20:37.16EvilGuruon my other computer it is a very nice picture background
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20:37.43kommerckhmm, never tried to change background image.
20:38.07tom1502hi guys, i am looking for anyone able to help me with KLaptop, because ive got some hibernation probs...
20:38.27EvilGurugot it!
20:38.35EvilGuruview -> background
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20:39.19willwork4foolo y'all
20:39.21kommercktom1502: are you sure it's not because of your video driver or something like that...
20:39.30SAngeliCan someone help me with tar error: "tar: Removing leading `/' from member names" when using tar command: tar --one-file-system -vjpcf test1.tar.bz2 /boot ?
20:40.50tom1502kommerck, the hibernate-ram is workin... it is because of an acpi event. there must be a lockfile for acpi created, ive done this for the ram.conf in /etc/hibernate/ram.conf, but i dunno where i can find equiv. file for Klaptop hibernation!
20:41.47kommerckoh, I dunno; I use kpowersave
20:42.08tom1502k, idea where i could get help?
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20:44.22kommerckI don't have /etc/hibernate at all, suspend scripts must be distro specific
20:44.54tom1502i am not sure... but there has to be a config file for KLaptopdaemon!
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21:01.27Eno_Is there any way I can disable the KDE tooltips from the KDE System Tray and perhaps globally?
21:01.35Eno_The system tray tooltips really bug me.
21:01.59Eno_I tried disabling tool tips through the panel options, but that only disables the ones in the panel that are not part of the system tray.
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21:02.43specsmuhi, I just installed kde on gentoo, and none of the control panel modules or menus seem to appear.  Any suggestions?
21:03.09alexandrosHi...
21:03.47alexandrosi have a problem with kaffeine and xine for DVD and video files...
21:03.53alexandroson suse 10.0
21:04.34kommerckalexandros: you must install libxine1, kaffeine and libdvdcss from packman repository
21:04.46alexandrosalready done
21:04.58alexandrosi have found rpm files
21:05.31alexandrosbut nothing !
21:05.40kommerckall three?
21:05.47kommerckor only the last and the first
21:06.02alexandrosyes
21:06.05kommerckrun rpm -q libxine1
21:06.19alexandrosi use kpackage
21:06.43alexandrosbecause i don't know hot to install from tar.gz
21:06.53alexandrosi', new on suse...
21:07.13kommerckalexandros: run that in the console
21:07.19kommerckand please join #suse
21:07.37kommerckbrb
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21:26.18specsmuwell, I've figured out that it's a problem with kbuildsycoca - if I remove /var/tmp/kdecache-rmiller kcontrol works.  If I run kbuildsycoca it stops working.
21:26.25specsmuhow do I fix kbuildsycoca?
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21:28.55specsmuhmm
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21:29.14parsek_77how van i change the title bar color?
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21:32.43decOdingis Qt 4.1 compatible with all current kde applications or KDE 3.5 itself?
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21:35.22srednaparsek_77: The colors module in the appearance section of the kde control center
21:35.29srednadecOding: No
21:35.54decOdingso I should get used to qt 4 as other user where I will use it
21:36.28srednadecOding: You can install it, but don't set QTDIR to where it's located
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21:37.00decOdingsredna, I could use it in /home/other_user/.bash_profile
21:37.05decOdingonly for that user
21:37.15srednadecOding: Well, there is really no need for that
21:37.37decOdingthen how would applications compile...?
21:37.39srednaJust set QTDIR to the location when compiling apps against it
21:37.49decOdingahh
21:37.51srednaIn your terminal window
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21:37.54decOdingin the *.pro file
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21:38.01srednaWell, for example
21:38.03parsek_77sredna: i am trying to change the color in su mode , it looks changed in the config but in real it's the old color
21:38.36srednaparsek_77: If you change it in admin mode, you changes the colors for the root user
21:38.47srednaparsek_77: To change for yourself, be your self
21:39.01parsek_77sredna: i want to change it for su mode..
21:39.07srednaTo change for all users, edit the global config files
21:39.48srednaparsek_77: I don't think setting the window border color for root works when using kdesu
21:40.14srednaparsek_77: I use different widget style and color scheme to stress that it's a window owned by root
21:40.32parsek_77what do u use?
21:40.41srednaBut the windows are on my X desktop, and thus owned by me as a user
21:41.19srednaWell, I use a oldstyle widget style and  a red color scheme for root
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21:42.30stupendo44is there a command I can use to manually power-down a drive once it's unmounted?
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21:42.51kommerckstupendo44: man hdparm
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21:43.03stupendo44thx
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21:44.34parsek_77sredna: i changed the widget style, and the color but the outer border is still blue
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21:47.44stupendo44kommerck: thanks, that was exactly what I needed. I think my power supply isn't keeping up. My one hard drive kept spinning down and then back up everys o often. I wasnt to just shut it up manually so it's not using power.
21:47.58stupendo44*want
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21:49.03kommerckhmm, kdvi ignores some postscript graphics...
21:49.29kommerckwhile xdvi shows the file correctly
21:49.38kommerckI used the xymtex package which uses pstrics
21:49.42kommerckpstricks*
21:51.17srednaparsek_77: As I said, the window is forwarded to root by you
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21:52.49parsek_77so it won't change?
21:52.58srednaparsek_77: No
21:53.49parsek_77ok thanks...
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22:05.39drivamgr2006And you are risking a lot of grief!  Running IRC as a root user is extremely silly, since it can leave you vulnerable to attack
22:05.43srednadon't irc as root
22:05.56drivamgr2006I suggest you log out and create a normal account or log in from your normal user
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22:06.29rootmy name is valentin
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22:11.06SMiLeafguess not
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22:15.08stupendo44what do people here think about the current cdrom mounting situation? fine, or needs improvement?
22:15.46benJImanwhat do you mean as "current" ? hal/dbus/subfs etc?
22:16.29stupendo44I dunno. I use kubuntu 5.10 with kde 3.5
22:17.13benJImankubuntu didn't do it very well in 5.04, it might be better in 5.10 not sure
22:17.16stupendo44I just was wondering if people are ok with how it operates now. No response when you press the button on the cd drive...
22:17.28stupendo44when it's mounted, that is.
22:17.47benJImanstupendo44: that is fine in some distros, I think it's just kubuntu doing it badly
22:17.59stupendo44what do other distros do?
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22:18.13stupendo44pop up a box or something?
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22:18.25benJImanin suse you press eject and it ejects
22:18.35stupendo44right, but what if it's in use?
22:18.48benJImanit still works, may take a second or two while it's unmounted
22:18.57stupendo44hmm, it force unmounts?
22:19.13benJImanwell it interrupts it somehow, it's different if you manually mount it
22:19.24benJImani'm not entirely sure how hal does it
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22:19.48stupendo44the main issue I have sometimes is when wine is installing something off a cd. the cd is in use, so it can't be unmounted. The workaround that I have is using isos and remounting on the same mount point.
22:20.09stupendo44I don't really understand how two things can be mounted at once, though
22:20.15benJImancedega at least understands hal now, so it works fine with suse
22:20.31kommerckwine > cedega :D
22:20.41benJImancedega is wine, with non-free extensions
22:20.41stupendo44cedega = evil
22:20.45SMiLeafnative > wine
22:21.07kommerckcedega isn't wine
22:21.12kommerckcedega is a fork of wine
22:21.16benJImanyes
22:21.20kommerckSMiLeaf: yeah sure
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22:22.32benJImanstupendo44: anyhow as long as the program can find the dynamic mountpoints when using hal there is no problem
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22:22.56benJImansuse has fixed symlinks pointing to wherever hal has things mounted so old things work too
22:24.25stupendo44hmm
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22:24.55benJImanbut in answer to your original question, there's room for improvement, it works pretty well if set up correctly at the moment, it's perhaps overly complex though hence in many distros it doesn't work well
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22:25.44stupendo44ok, then I guess there's hope. Maybe in kubuntu 6.04
22:26.37stupendo44I thought that if the disk can't be ejected, it should at least notify the user about this. Not just do nothing.
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22:27.34benJImanstupendo44: yeah, ideally it should just eject
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22:28.49stupendo44I hate to say it, but do something like what Windows does.
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22:38.01magyarEvery time i start KDE i get this error message: "Sound server fatal error:cpu overload, aborting"  (SID amd64, KDE 3.4.3)
22:38.21kommercktry disabling arts
22:38.42magyarthe kde sound system?
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22:40.09kommerckyepp.
22:42.07magyarkommerck, but than i have no kde sounds
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22:43.20kommerckyou can pipe the sound via mplayer or aplay or so
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22:44.28magyarkommerck, roger
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22:47.56Jiraiyacan someone explain to me why my native resolution 1400x1050 isnt shown in the display settings of kde?
22:48.17skamp-I've compiled from source kdelibs 3.5.0 and kdebase 3.5.0, in /opt/kde, but I get no menu entries, kcontrol shows no component
22:48.57skamp-I've read the FAQ... I had compiled from source the same packages but version 3.4.2 on another machine, and I have no problem there
22:49.01skamp-I'm going crazy!
22:50.16skamp-I've put export XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share:/opt/kde/share in /etc/profile, I've run update-desktop-database as root, but still no luck
22:51.08skamp-I'm running Linux From Scratch 6.1.1
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22:55.00skamp-anybody ?
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23:03.34pacohello everyone
23:03.53pacoMerry x-mas to all of you
23:05.31pacoquestion, I have the latest suse kde in my pc along with windows xp. How do I uninstall without affecting my xp bootup?
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23:34.58dracul666hi there can anybody tell me what should i do if i click enter on .avi file in mc that it should run in mplayer??
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23:42.32neglettociao
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23:45.27dec0dingwhat is the KDE Paint like app ?
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23:47.56dec0dingeeh?
23:48.35FuzzyTheBearKolourPaint
23:49.06FuzzyTheBearis that what you were lookinf for ?
23:49.34dracul666so any body can help me?
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23:50.31dec0dingFuzzyTheBear, thanks ;)
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23:50.37dec0dingdracul666, what is ur question
23:50.42Oleg_to all Jews, I am wishing you Happy Hanukkah which started today, on December 25th, as the sunset arrived!
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23:51.33Oleg_and Merry Christmas!
23:51.34dec0ding:)
23:51.38dec0dingMarry Marry
23:51.47dracul666dec0ding, if i double click or click enter on .avi file in mc i want to run it in mplayer
23:51.53dracul666dec0ding, how to do that??
23:52.37dec0dingmc ?
23:52.41dec0dingmidnight commander?
23:52.43dracul666yeah
23:52.47dracul666exactlly
23:53.01dec0dinglet me check
23:53.08dracul666ok
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23:55.27dec0dingdracul666, found something, let me try it
23:55.46dracul666dec0ding, ok
23:56.20dec0dingcheck if u have ~/.mc directory
23:57.02dec0dingdracul666
23:57.13dracul666dec0ding, mhm?
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23:57.29NoeveEvening.
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23:57.36dracul666hi Noeve
23:57.49NoeveHas anyone ever had a password problem after installing KDE ? I've installed it, rebooted, and now my password doesn't work :(
23:57.53dec0dingdracul666, u have it ?
23:58.12dracul666dec0ding, what?
23:58.20dec0ding<dec0ding> check if u have ~/.mc directory
23:58.22dracul666aaaahhh i see
23:58.25dracul666i have it:)
23:58.33dracul666didn' see that here
23:58.34dracul666:)
23:58.35dec0dingedit ~/.mc/bindings
23:58.55dracul666hmm don' have bindings
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23:59.15dec0dingmake one
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23:59.22dracul666ok
23:59.22dec0dingand put this line in it
23:59.25dec0ding# avi
23:59.26dec0dingOpen=mplayer %f
23:59.34dec0dingbut you gotta try it
23:59.35dracul666aha ok:)
23:59.44anisXcould someone tell me what is my second last quit msg ?

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