irclog2html for #kde on 20051217

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`00:17.12`	`Ziggy`	`Gentoo + HAL 0.5 + pmount => KDE 3.5 is not automounting anything even though HAL is getting insert notifications and pmount/pumount work fine`
`00:17.20`	`Ziggy`	`kdebase-kioslaves is compiled +hal`
`00:20.17`	`oneforall`	`I never did like automount in m$ don't want it now iether . noy hard to click on an icon :) when needed`
`00:20.26`	`oneforall`	`noy/not`
`00:21.16`	`Ziggy`	`perhaps, but the whole "yeah, when I plug stuff in, I have to click a button to tell the system that" in the year 2005 does not make my use of Linux seem rational.`
`00:21.31`	`Ziggy`	`I didn't switch to Linux because it's worse. I switched because it's better.`
`00:22.05`	`philhsmith`	`Gentoo, kde 3.5 => starting artsd manually (as root, even) yields "can't create mcop directory" error.. If this is a permissions problem, which directory has the fouled permissions?`
`00:22.26`	`Ziggy`	`surely if /everyone else/ can recognize when I plug stuff in and unplug stuff, Linux should too.`
`00:22.47`	`oneforall`	`auto mount is annoying not better`
`00:23.30`	`oneforall`	`stick a cd that you want to looke at the files not start the setup or game etc . very annoying`
`00:23.32`	`philhsmith`	`Ziggy: in an effort to address the question, does your fstab perhaps need 'user' flags to allow non-rooters to mount?`
`00:24.01`	`Ziggy`	`... wtf? I don't know about you, but somehow I like my system to "just work". if I plug in my iPod, I expect the system to act like it should -- that is -- it should allow me to access the device and recognize it's connected. I still have to mount it.`
`00:24.06`	`philhsmith`	`put another way, can you mount stuff as a normal user via simple mount?`
`00:24.08`	`Ziggy`	`oneforall: you mean AUTORUN. that's different. AUTORUN sucks.`
`00:24.13`	`Ziggy`	`AUTOMOUNT does not.`
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`00:24.26`	`Ziggy`	`philhsmith: HAL + pmount doesn't need an fstab entry.`
`00:24.35`	`C4BL3GUY`	`hi there`
`00:24.42`	`Ziggy`	`philhsmith: pmount /dev/sda2 works to mount my iPod as my user`
`00:25.00`	`philhsmith`	`Ziggy: ok. just checking ideas`
`00:25.19`	`Ziggy`	`the KDE 3.4 behavior involved HAL's fstab-sync utility`
`00:25.25`	`Ziggy`	`which worked`
`00:26.03`	`Ziggy`	`but HAL 0.5 uses pmount now, which basically means that HAL sends an event "this device is connected", and the KDE automount agent thingy should go "I should display an unmounted icon on the desktop" (which it did with fstab-sync)`
`00:26.05`	`C4BL3GUY`	`hope somebody could give me a hint on this: Non-KDE applications have really small fonts when started in KDE. Even Qt-applications...`
`00:26.29`	`Ziggy`	`KDE then should run pmount instead of mount (which it does for everyone else but me) and it works. but it's not even showing an icon on the desktop or in media:/`
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`00:26.46`	`philhsmith`	`CABL3GUY: bumped into this last night. Kde and gnome use different dpi, which is sent to the X server when X starts.`
`00:26.56`	`philhsmith`	`CABL3GUY: let me dig up the url`
`00:27.10`	`C4BL3GUY`	`aaah`
`00:27.10`	`C4BL3GUY`	`:-)`
`00:27.21`	`C4BL3GUY`	`gnome is using 96dpi on my machine`
`00:27.42`	`Ziggy`	`I'm considering making an ebuild that uses fstab-sync and dealing with the slightly-less-sane mount method`
`00:28.39`	`frb`	`no, X tells teh apps the dpi`
`00:28.45`	`philhsmith`	`CABL3GUY: ok, here we go. No url, but I remember the fix. Are you using kdm?`
`00:28.46`	`C4BL3GUY`	`philsmith... and Qt-applications get the dpi-value from the x-server?`
`00:28.47`	`frb`	`the application framework can choose to ignore that`
`00:29.03`	`C4BL3GUY`	`philsmith... yes`
`00:29.35`	`philhsmith`	`CABL3GUY: crack open kdmrc (mine is at /usr/kde/3.5/share/config/kdm/kdmrc)`
`00:29.59`	`C4BL3GUY`	`philsmith... using gentoo? :-)`
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`00:30.18`	`philhsmith`	`CABL3GUY: go down to the [X-:-Core] section (!!Not [X--Core] which is also there...)`
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`00:30.29`	`philhsmith`	`CABL3GUY: yea, howdya tell ;-)`
`00:30.59`	`philhsmith`	`CABL3GUY: modify the ServerArgsLocal line, by adding -dpi 96`
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`00:31.20`	`philhsmith`	`CABL3GUY: and that should do it. save, restart X (by cntl-alt-backspace, perhaps), and it should work.`
`00:31.45`	`C4BL3GUY`	`ok, will try it. But the pc with this problem is already shut down`
`00:31.59`	`C4BL3GUY`	`but there must be some other problem`
`00:32.31`	`C4BL3GUY`	`because: I have to machines with kde 3.5. One with that problem and one without it`
`00:32.43`	`C4BL3GUY`	`em, two machines`
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`00:33.45`	`mw46`	`Can somebody verify something for me please? kde3.5 stable on top of SuSE 10.0: The K-Menu side image is somehow garbled:-(`
`00:34.02`	`C4BL3GUY`	`the one, where it works, had kde 3.4 running. The other with the problem had 3.5 from the beginning`
`00:34.39`	`C4BL3GUY`	`philsmith... but thanks a lot, will try it tomorrow`
`00:34.53`	`mw46`	`is it just me or a more widespead problem?`
`00:35.06`	`C4BL3GUY`	`philsmith... here it is 1:34am`
`00:35.16`	`C4BL3GUY`	`:-)`
`00:35.23`	`C4BL3GUY`	`thanks a lot for your help`
`00:35.26`	`annma`	`mw46: it's OK here from scratch`
`00:35.26`	`C4BL3GUY`	`good n8 :-)`
`00:36.03`	`annma`	`mw46: I compile kde from source though`
`00:36.17`	`annma`	`mw46: post a screensot of your K menu`
`00:38.04`	`Theory`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:38.52`	`Theory`	`argh, sorry`
`00:39.19`	`mw46`	`annma: I'm on my way;-)`
`00:43.22`	`mw46`	`annma: Here you can see it;-) http://www.bytesalad.org/kMenu.png`
`00:44.27`	`annma`	`mw46: so you mean the image on the left?`
`00:45.28`	`annma`	`mw46: did you have a previous kde version for that user?`
`00:46.30`	`mw46`	`yes a 3.4?? (SuSE 10 default) and a 3.5 alpha with the same problem`
`00:46.31`	`philhsmith`	`Gentoo, kde 3.5 => starting artsd manually (as root, even) yields "can't create mcop directory" error.. If this is a permissions problem, which directory has the fouled permissions?`
`00:46.56`	`Ziggy`	`is artsd already running?`
`00:47.03`	`Ziggy`	`also mcop is /tmp/kde-user/mcop IIRC`
`00:47.24`	`annma`	`mw46: did you try a new user?`
`00:47.28`	`Ziggy`	`but that's all I can think of.`
`00:47.31`	`mw46`	`not yet.`
`00:47.39`	`annma`	`mw46: please try`
`00:47.56`	`philhsmith`	`Ziggy: arts doesn't appear to be running. Or rather, there's no artsd process.`
`00:48.03`	`mw46`	`on my way.`
`00:48.25`	`philhsmith`	`Ziggy: The directory in question is /tmp/<myuser>/mcop, you mean? Lemme try that..`
`00:49.01`	`annma`	`gentoo users use root too much, that might lead to permisisons problems`
`00:49.21`	`annma`	`you should run artsd as your user`
`00:49.44`	`annma`	`your user has a right to use arts, too`
`00:49.59`	`Ziggy`	`yeah, but uh. make sure the sticky bit is on /tmp`
`00:50.04`	`Ziggy`	`all I can think of.`
`00:50.16`	`annma`	`gentoo is about learning the hard way`
`00:50.51`	`frb`	`gentoo is about building your system, not using it :P`
`00:50.58`	`annma`	`it's weird that compiling from kde sources I never got that sort of problems`
`00:51.04`	`annma`	`frb: lol, excellent`
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`00:53.01`	`Ziggy`	`I think I found the problem.`
`00:53.10`	`Ziggy`	`let's see if my thought was correct.`
`00:53.38`	`Fenster`	`hey guys.. tryin to install a theme`
`00:53.39`	`Fenster`	`what is BAB`
`00:54.18`	`philhsmith`	`Ziggy: sorry, phone. Lemme try it now..`
`00:55.45`	`Ziggy`	`dunno though.`
`00:55.48`	`Ziggy`	`I gotta go -_-`
`00:55.51`	`philhsmith`	`Ziggy: kde-<user> exists for both root and the normal user in question.. they are empty`
`00:55.58`	`philhsmith`	`Ziggy: it's cool. Thanks!`
`00:56.57`	`mw46`	`annma: The new user does not have that problem. So now it's on to userdir surgery, I believe.`
`00:57.11`	`annma`	`yes`
`00:57.42`	`mw46`	`do you have any idea where I should start?`
`00:58.04`	`annma`	`not sure`
`00:58.12`	`annma`	`you want to kee pyour config?`
`00:58.21`	`annma`	`or you can easily reproduce it?`
`00:59.49`	`mw46`	`I wuld prefer to keep my old stuff;-)`
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`01:06.05`	`sammcneill`	`hi ya - looking for some help running KDE on my OS X powerbook`
`01:06.09`	`sammcneill`	`anyone runing this combination?`
`01:06.43`	`sammcneill`	`one of the issues I have is that the windows keep appearing in the background and thus can not be edited/clicked on`
`01:08.34`	`annma`	`how did you install kde?`
`01:09.25`	`sammcneill`	`I used fink commander`
`01:09.45`	`sammcneill`	`I am wondering if I am misisng a mouse driver or something like that`
`01:09.50`	`sammcneill`	`it LOOKS all good`
`01:10.05`	`sammcneill`	`just is severly limited in whatg I can do because I can not select anything nicely`
`01:10.18`	`sammcneill`	`When I first ran it, there was a config wizard that asked me what mode I wanted to run in`
`01:10.30`	`annma`	`fink commander? what is that? some package management?`
`01:10.35`	`sammcneill`	`there was a Mac option, so I selected that.. (It said I could always run this wizard again if I wanted to)`
`01:10.54`	`sammcneill`	`fin commander = debian apt-get GUI`
`01:11.14`	`sammcneill`	`the problem is I can not find the wizard that will let me reconfigure my KDE setup`
`01:11.55`	`sammcneill`	`annma - are you running KDE on OS X?`
`01:12.14`	`annma`	`I wish because that would mean I own a mac`
`01:12.20`	`sammcneill`	`ahh`
`01:12.27`	`annma`	`not at all, I run KDE on a cheap intel laptop`
`01:12.38`	`sammcneill`	`well, my end goal in all of this is to get Amarok working..`
`01:12.44`	`sammcneill`	`but I need the KDE base to get that happening`
`01:12.53`	`sammcneill`	`I am running amarok on FC4 with Gnome at work`
`01:12.55`	`annma`	`so you installed kde using binaries?`
`01:12.59`	`sammcneill`	`and want to get it running at home too`
`01:13.03`	`sammcneill`	`no - I compiled it`
`01:13.18`	`annma`	`you compiled qt, arts kdelibs and kdebase?`
`01:13.23`	`sammcneill`	`correct`
`01:13.37`	`sammcneill`	`(fink commander did it all for me - just took forever)`
`01:14.22`	`annma`	`didyou set QTDIR and KDEDIR?`
`01:14.35`	`sammcneill`	`no, not manually`
`01:14.44`	`annma`	`are they set?`
`01:14.45`	`sammcneill`	`assuming the package manager did all of that`
`01:14.50`	`sammcneill`	`how can I tell?`
`01:14.50`	`annma`	`hmmm`
`01:14.56`	`annma`	`echo $KDEDIR`
`01:15.00`	`annma`	`in konsole`
`01:15.22`	`sammcneill`	`echo $KDEDIR`
`01:15.39`	`sammcneill`	`return / sw`
`01:15.47`	`sammcneill`	`which is what I would expect`
`01:15.55`	`sammcneill`	`that is where the x11 window system resides on my mac`
`01:16.01`	`sammcneill`	`you have to run this all through X11`
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`01:16.50`	`epyon9283`	`I'm tempted to try this on my ibook but I know it'd take forever and a half to compile everything`
`01:17.05`	`sammcneill`	`yeah best to leave it on overnight`
`01:17.06`	`sammcneill`	`;)`
`01:17.44`	`sammcneill`	`If I could get back to the wizard that allowed me to configure the UI, then I could probably choose a different option and this may resolve the issue`
`01:17.57`	`sammcneill`	`can the setup wizard be run indepdently of 'startkde' ?`
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`01:18.27`	`aeon17x`	`What is the character map in KDE called?`
`01:19.24`	`Theory`	`kcharselect`
`01:19.24`	`annma`	`kchar-something probably`
`01:19.29`	`annma`	`that's it`
`01:20.18`	`sammcneill`	`are there any other IRC channels for KDE that specifically deal with OS X?`
`01:20.20`	`aeon17x`	`Doesn't work. =/`
`01:20.55`	`aeon17x`	`I'm on a full install of Kubuntu, if that helps.`
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`01:22.33`	`Oleg_`	`is it a new bug in konqueror that we should enter www.some.site in the address bar instead of http://www.some.site?`
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`01:24.14`	`annma`	`Oleg_: ?`
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`01:24.29`	`annma`	`http://www.kde.org`
`01:24.37`	`annma`	`you mean that don't work in konq?`
`01:24.39`	`Oleg_`	`dunno`
`01:24.46`	`annma`	`dunno?`
`01:25.02`	`Oleg_`	`when I enter it for the first time`
`01:25.07`	`Oleg_`	`sometimes it doesn't`
`01:25.38`	`annma`	`sometimes?`
`01:25.48`	`annma`	`which one for ex?`
`01:27.05`	`Oleg_`	`ex?`
`01:27.13`	`Oleg_`	`ok, just never mind`
`01:27.29`	`annma`	`for example, which one does not work?`
`01:28.06`	`Oleg_`	`only the first time it doesn't work; for example: google.com or amazon.com`
`01:28.29`	`annma`	`so you mean http://www.amazon.com does not work?`
`01:29.01`	`Oleg_`	`oh, http://www.sony.com worked just fine now`
`01:29.20`	`Oleg_`	`maybe it has nothing to do with http://`
`01:29.43`	`annma`	`you type them in konq?`
`01:30.19`	`Oleg_`	`yeah`
`01:31.01`	`Oleg_`	`ok, thanks`
`01:31.04`	`Oleg_`	`see ya later`
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`01:32.23`	`annma`	`sammcneill: setup wizard?`
`01:32.29`	`annma`	`what do yo mean by that?`
`01:32.52`	`epyon9283`	`annma: that thing that runs the first time you log into kde`
`01:33.12`	`annma`	`called kpersonalizer`
`01:33.37`	`annma`	`just use Alt+F2 and type: kpersonalizer`
`01:33.41`	`annma`	`you'll get it`
`01:34.20`	`epyon9283`	`cool`
`01:34.33`	`annma`	`epyon9283: are you sammcneill ?`
`01:34.37`	`epyon9283`	`no`
`01:34.40`	`annma`	`;) ok`
`01:34.51`	`sammcneill`	`definitely not`
`01:34.54`	`annma`	`I thought I missed something maybe`
`01:35.00`	`annma`	`sammcneill: so you want amarok?`
`01:35.10`	`sammcneill`	`annma - the setup wizard the first time I ran ./startkde`
`01:35.21`	`sammcneill`	`it asked me a couiple of questions about the interface`
`01:35.25`	`annma`	`try running kpersonalizer`
`01:35.30`	`annma`	`that's the one`
`01:35.32`	`sammcneill`	`ok checking...`
`01:35.44`	`annma`	`ALt+F2 and kpersonalizer in the line`
`01:36.39`	`sammcneill`	`okthat is definitely the setup meun`
`01:36.45`	`sammcneill`	`testing it now to see if resolves my issue`
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`01:38.25`	`sammcneill`	`hmm same issue :(`
`01:38.37`	`sammcneill`	`throughout kpersonaliser I can select a anything`
`01:38.47`	`sammcneill`	`but as soon as I run kde in full, I cna not select certain menu options`
`01:38.53`	`sammcneill`	`well, pretty much all options`
`01:39.06`	`sammcneill`	`keeps opening random konqueror windows too when I do try and click`
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`01:39.42`	`Octave_Octet`	`Hi. Where can I find support for kpowersave ?`
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`01:39.50`	`annma`	`sammcneill: very weird`
`01:40.08`	`sammcneill`	`yeah - wonder if it is an issue from when I compiled it`
`01:40.12`	`annma`	`kpowersave? where did you find it>`
`01:40.23`	`Octave_Octet`	`annma: Debian package`
`01:40.50`	`annma`	`Octave_Octet: isnt there the package manager name somewhere?`
`01:41.06`	`annma`	`you could send hi a mail`
`01:41.11`	`annma`	`hi StevenR`
`01:41.47`	`Octave_Octet`	`I'd prefer IRC, but if it's my only hope....`
`01:42.03`	`annma`	`kpowersave is not in kde repository`
`01:42.27`	`annma`	`not official so I dont know where it is`
`01:42.35`	`Octave_Octet`	`ok`
`01:43.14`	`annma`	`I doubt you'll find him on irc here`
`01:44.33`	`annma`	`ok I'm out! bye all`
`01:44.40`	`Octave_Octet`	`bye`
`01:44.43`	`StevenR`	`bye annma :)`
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`02:13.45`	`swim`	`folks what distro are you running? I'm trying to find a distro that runs KDE well... I love ubuntu but I'm in the mood to run KDE ... and well... Kubuntu's KDE was too unstable`
`02:14.07`	`Chanika`	`kde? stable? :)`
`02:14.36`	`Chanika`	`I wouldn't know, I run gentoo ~x86 (unstable). stuff crashes every day. usually amarok`
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`02:14.59`	`swim`	`mmm bummer... yah amarok on ubuntu (running in gnome) never crashed on me`
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`02:22.33`	`joedj`	`hey folks. somewhere i managed to set things such that Alt+Tab doesn't display the window list while cycling through. now i can't recall where to reset this...?`
`02:23.08`	`philhsmith`	`joedj: I seem to recall the shift-f1 help on the focus-follows-mouse options in the control center talking about that`
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`02:25.06`	`joedj`	`philhsmith: i can't see any focus settings at all in control center`
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`02:25.39`	`joedj`	`oh, found some now`
`02:25.43`	`philhsmith`	`joedj: I don't have it up right now.. but maybe under the behavior node, something about window focus`
`02:25.53`	`joedj`	`how did i miss this... =P`
`02:26.14`	`joedj`	`the checkbox for showing the window list is right there on Desktop -> Window Behaviour with the focus settings, of course the first place i looked`
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`02:27.34`	`joedj`	`yay. telling it to show the window list while cycling also makes alt+tab behave like it should, rather than always going the same direction`
`02:28.34`	`U2Fan`	`newbie alert... i have some very basic questions re kde`
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`02:28.54`	`U2Fan`	`i want to clear some of the clutter from my desktop`
`02:29.05`	`U2Fan`	`like removing the 'printer' icon`
`02:29.21`	`U2Fan`	`and removing 'suse' etc`
`02:29.33`	`U2Fan`	`if i delete them, how do i get them back?`
`02:30.05`	`U2Fan`	`also, can i place icons on a specific desktop only? they seem to always be there no matter which desktop i go to`
`02:30.37`	`grepper`	`nope for the last question afaik`
`02:34.44`	`philhsmith`	`U2Fan: I think most of the icons live in ~/Desktop. Others are special, and put there by kde (the printer is one of these.)`
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`02:50.32`	`\|cleric\|`	`hi`
`02:52.31`	`\|cleric\|`	`is it possible to disable the "open in cache" feature of some kde apps when the standard browser is not konqueror and i use a hyperlink?(e.g. kmail etc.)`
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`03:41.09`	`SMiLeaf`	`Hello all!`
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`03:54.41`	`DeadS0ul`	`hello`
`03:56.08`	`SMiLeaf`	`DeadS0ul: hey :)`
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`03:59.41`	`SMiLeaf`	`you guys are falling behind. for a while there I kept only 5 bug reports open :) .. now I got 11`
`04:01.29`	`_Roey`	`The_Libertarian: interesting nick`
`04:01.41`	`The_Libertarian`	`Thanks.`
`04:04.46`	`cwheeler`	`hi The_Libertarian`
`04:04.53`	`The_Libertarian`	`Hey.`
`04:06.06`	`cwheeler`	`i tend toward libertarian attitudes myself`
`04:06.18`	`cwheeler`	`i assume you mean the political party`
`04:06.23`	`The_Libertarian`	`Yes.`
`04:06.43`	`The_Libertarian`	`If I can get this form sorted out I'll be running for office.`
`04:07.09`	`cwheeler`	`one can never be sure these days so many terms are overloaded with 2 or even more meanings`
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`04:07.26`	`cwheeler`	`<kepe> cmp = Civilian Marksmanship Program :)`
`04:07.32`	`cwheeler`	`<cwheeler> cmp - compare two files byte by byte`
`04:07.34`	`cwheeler`	`see?`
`04:07.38`	`_Roey`	`The_Libertarian: big-L or little-L?`
`04:09.35`	`The_Libertarian`	`I don't go to much on labels. But the original idea of the fouding of the LP party and the originalprinciples of the founding of the US.`
`04:09.53`	`cwheeler`	`i believe likewise`
`04:10.03`	`cwheeler`	`ah a texan`
`04:10.59`	`The_Libertarian`	`Some of the big government types or statist accuse me of being an anarchist for suggesting private solutions to government problems.`
`04:11.28`	`cwheeler`	`anarchy simply means the absense of government, not disorder`
`04:11.37`	`cwheeler`	`so anarchy is a solution`
`04:12.32`	`The_Libertarian`	`People call me crazy for suggesting we remove state police and have private security. Or privatizing all roads.`
`04:13.01`	`cwheeler`	`but far too many people think the government should hold thier hand and protect them from everything`
`04:13.22`	`cwheeler`	`well public roads and police are some of government's better endeavors`
`04:13.22`	`The_Libertarian`	`I get a lot of shit from a lot of women for suggesting removing drug prohibition and removing the under age laws.`
`04:13.49`	`cwheeler`	`the war on drugs is doing far more damage than the actual problem warrents`
`04:13.55`	`_Roey`	`The_Libertarian: heh`
`04:14.02`	`The_Libertarian`	`Or even alow peaceful law abiding people to have automatic weapons.`
`04:14.28`	`cwheeler`	`yeah what part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?`
`04:14.58`	`The_Libertarian`	`Some road in this country are all ready privatize. Private roads most of the time are built faster and better then state funded roads.`
`04:15.16`	`_Roey`	`The_Libertarian: Recently, a man was convicted for murder in the case where a burglar robbed his house at gunpoint and then fled. As the burglar sped away, the defendant shot at him. Burglar dies from gunshot wound to the head.`
`04:15.25`	`cwheeler`	`true all the fed interstates are low bid shit`
`04:15.31`	`_Roey`	`The_Libertarian: Now, if that had been me i would have done the same thing as the defendant.`
`04:15.40`	`cwheeler`	`what state _Roey ?`
`04:15.52`	`_Roey`	`cwheeler: not sure... I only saw the news report yesterday`
`04:15.52`	`cwheeler`	`i think that's wrong`
`04:15.58`	`_Roey`	`cwheeler: to do what`
`04:16.05`	`_Roey`	`cwheeler: to do what the defendent did?`
`04:16.05`	`cwheeler`	`probably legal in texas eh?`
`04:16.17`	`cwheeler`	`that'd be legal here most likely`
`04:16.20`	`cwheeler`	`yes`
`04:16.30`	`cwheeler`	`i have no sympathy for criminals`
`04:16.32`	`The_Libertarian`	`Belive it or not their are a lot of laws in Texas.`
`04:16.35`	`cwheeler`	`wait`
`04:16.37`	`The_Libertarian`	`We have damn seat belt laws here.`
`04:16.45`	`cwheeler`	`no wrong to convict the victim`
`04:16.49`	`SMiLeaf`	`help.. I can't stop reporting bigs x.x;;`
`04:16.50`	`cwheeler`	`ic the confusion`
`04:17.02`	`cwheeler`	`what's wrong with shooting an armed robber?`
`04:17.10`	`cwheeler`	`discourages repeat offenses`
`04:17.51`	`SMiLeaf`	`lol`
`04:18.12`	`The_Libertarian`	`I don't belive in the black and white concept of right and wrong people like to use to push their "opinion" on others. But I think if some has my property on them with out my permission I have a right to shoot them.`
`04:18.12`	`cwheeler`	`where are the most high crime, dangerous places in the us?`
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`04:18.33`	`cwheeler`	`they all prohibit honest people from being armed and defeneding themselves`
`04:19.35`	`CHodapp`	`I'm in Cincinnati right now, it a very heavy crime area.`
`04:19.49`	`The_Libertarian`	`New Hampshire has the lowest crime rates in the country and has the fewest gun laws. I wonder why that could be. ;)`
`04:19.59`	`cwheeler`	`so gun control has not made society safer, it's disarmed honest peacful citizens`
`04:20.04`	`_Roey`	`back`
`04:20.08`	`straw`	`so what if the robber turns out not to be armed? and is not a robber after all?`
`04:20.08`	`CHodapp`	`I had a seminar from a judge from Cincinnati. He recommended that you carry a 9 mm with you if you ever go into the city alone.`
`04:20.10`	`SMiLeaf`	`crime where I am is so low the cops pull you over when you go 1 mile an hour over the speed limit :)`
`04:20.17`	`_Roey`	`hmm, couldn't find the story on news.google.com. Perhaps I misread what I did read.`
`04:20.23`	`cwheeler`	`new hampshire has about 2 pages of gun laws`
`04:20.31`	`CHodapp`	`I was speeding. I got pulled over by the cops because I had my lights off.`
`04:20.43`	`cwheeler`	`anyone over 21 can carry a concealed weapon in new hampshire, no permit`
`04:20.49`	`The_Libertarian`	`You can open cary in New Hampshire with out a permit and the state has the lowest crime because of it. The facts speak for them selves.`
`04:20.58`	`cwheeler`	`or is it vermont`
`04:21.00`	`_Roey`	`wow.`
`04:21.03`	`_Roey`	`interesting.`
`04:21.07`	`cwheeler`	`you can open carry where i live in wa state`
`04:21.09`	`CHodapp`	`Yeah, next you're going to claim that raising the speed limit has created less accidents on many streets.`
`04:21.15`	`_Roey`	`ya know...`
`04:21.18`	`CHodapp`	`Oh...wait.`
`04:21.19`	`cwheeler`	`nobody says anything in small towns`
`04:21.28`	`cwheeler`	`but i don't do it in the big city`
`04:21.45`	`CHodapp`	`What? I thought this was #politics.`
`04:21.46`	`CHodapp`	`Oh.`
`04:21.47`	`_Roey`	`raising speed limits, relaxing rules for seat belts, legalizing drugs... at some point the State's hospital bills rise... and tax goes up`
`04:21.47`	`CHodapp`	`Guess not.`
`04:22.02`	`cwheeler`	`well seat belts do prevent injuries and deaths`
`04:22.09`	`The_Libertarian`	`San Fransisco residents can longer own pistols. But people out side city limits still can. Show me the logic in that. Show me how they're safer.`
`04:22.18`	`cwheeler`	`as well as help the driver control the vehicle sometimes`
`04:22.27`	`CHodapp`	`_Roey, there are statistics... raising the speed limit has reduced accidents, and lowering it has increased accidents.`
`04:22.39`	`_Roey`	`cwheeler: how about preventing unnecessary wasted labor hours?`
`04:22.50`	`cwheeler`	`seatbelts _Roey ?`
`04:23.24`	`The_Libertarian`	`If some one wants to do something that puts there life at risk that's their choice. If you think the state has the right to tell use what to do with our bodies then that means you don't belive our bodies belong to use and we're slaves to the state.`
`04:23.35`	`_Roey`	`cwheeler: yeah, because if your head gets smashed in because you weren't wearing your seatbelt, you'll need intensive care for far longer than you would have if you had been wearing a seat belt and had gotten off with so much as a bruise.`
`04:23.36`	`straw`	`this is very much off topic here, folks`
`04:23.40`	`_Roey`	`sure!`
`04:23.41`	`_Roey`	`sure it is`
`04:23.50`	`_Roey`	`but it highlights the difference in user culture.`
`04:23.50`	`cwheeler`	`well the problem is that people who get hurt usually become wards of the state`
`04:23.51`	`CHodapp`	`So how about that new KDE?`
`04:24.04`	`cwheeler`	`and i don't like paying for them so make everyone wear seat belts`
`04:24.12`	`_Roey`	`CHodapp: I'm glad it's not GNOME with its ridiculously restraining HIG.`
`04:24.19`	`cwheeler`	`well there was no on topic conversation straw`
`04:24.30`	`cwheeler`	`HIG?`
`04:24.31`	`straw`	`_Roey: all i've seen is rhetoric from CNN...`
`04:24.33`	`_Roey`	`cwheeler: that's what I was trying to convey about seat belts, is what you said.`
`04:24.39`	`philhsmith`	`hey, here's one; I'm gentoo on 3.5, and my artsd hates me. Says it can't create mcop directories. Anyone perhaps know about that?`
`04:24.44`	`_Roey`	`straw: CNN likes to stir up controversy...`
`04:25.00`	`_Roey`	`cwheeler: human interface guideilnes`
`04:25.02`	`_Roey`	`guidelines`
`04:25.07`	`straw`	`_Roey: CNN is a pile of dung these days`
`04:25.22`	`cwheeler`	`brb i need some food`
`04:25.32`	`cwheeler`	`oh i have something on topic`
`04:25.40`	`The_Libertarian`	`Tax payers have to pay for every damn law to be enforced. I don't want to pay money to put some one in jail because they like getting high in their house or propert. Or they don't want to whare their seat belt or any other thing they want to do that doesn't involve using force on me.`
`04:25.55`	`cwheeler`	`the kde klipper causes xemacs to hang anytime xemacs tries to copy something to klipper`
`04:25.57`	`cwheeler`	`in 3.4`
`04:26.16`	`_Roey`	`straw: I like jpost.com, debka.com/debka.co.il, jihadwatch.com, dhimmiwatch.org, and littlegreenfootballs.com.`
`04:26.32`	`cwheeler`	`The_Libertarian seat belts can keep the driver in position and help them to control the vehicle too`
`04:26.45`	`cwheeler`	`so from that perspective requiring them is for the public good`
`04:26.51`	`straw`	`_Roey: i'm sure you're on a watch list somewhere, then ;)`
`04:27.00`	`The_Libertarian`	`If some one want to violate my life, liberty or property I don't need the police to protect that, they don't any way. All I need is the second amendment and for the damn state not tell me how to live my life.`
`04:27.42`	`_Roey`	`The_Libertarian: what if you end up paying more in taxes in order to pay for hospital care for higher accident rate`
`04:27.53`	`The_Libertarian`	`Not all cars are the same and not all seat belts are the same, some are tight some are not. Not much of an argument just so you can have the state hold people's hands like little children.`
`04:28.04`	`_Roey`	`straw: jihadwatch.com and dhimmiwatch.org? I suggest you read 'em`
`04:28.30`	`_Roey`	`The_Libertarian: You end up paying for someone else's hospital bills though.`
`04:28.33`	`The_Libertarian`	`Private insurance pays for that not taxes.`
`04:28.49`	`_Roey`	`The_Libertarian: then your insurance costs rise.`
`04:29.14`	`_Roey`	`The_Libertarian: because the statistical average of accident costs (to the insurance provider) rises.`
`04:29.29`	`_Roey`	`The_Libertarian: if you want to talk about weed, I'm all for legalizing it.`
`04:29.35`	`The_Libertarian`	`So we all should pay money out of our wallets because of some dumb people. Let dumb people kill them selves. Problem solved.`
`04:29.35`	`_Roey`	`:)`
`04:29.37`	`_Roey`	`hey Robert`
`04:29.49`	`straw`	`grepper: me either :/`
`04:29.49`	`_Roey`	`The_Libertarian: in principal I agree with you.`
`04:30.02`	`_Roey`	`The_Libertarian: but we can't totally disconnect ourselves from society.`
`04:30.26`	`_Roey`	`The_Libertarian: I mean, I like private insurance, and I don't think that socialist governments work.`
`04:30.30`	`The_Libertarian`	`I didn't say that.`
`04:30.40`	`The_Libertarian`	`Every thing should be voluntary.`
`04:30.47`	`_Roey`	`The_Libertarian: but there is a social responsibility that we owe to US citizens.`
`04:31.09`	`The_Libertarian`	`Oh you mean the social contract theory?`
`04:31.19`	`_Roey`	`I don't know about that--`
`04:31.34`	`CHodapp`	`#politics!`
`04:31.59`	`_Roey`	`I just said that there is some sort of social responsibility on the part of the government, in the case of insurance, to help prevent people from untimely expirations.`
`04:32.03`	`_Roey`	`CHodapp: you're right.`
`04:32.05`	`_Roey`	`CHodapp: ok`
`04:32.22`	`CHodapp`	`[because there is also going to be some interesting opposition there]`
`04:32.47`	`_Roey`	`:)`
`04:32.55`	`_Roey`	`CHodapp: so KDE or GNOME.`
`04:33.06`	`CHodapp`	`Windowmaker.`
`04:33.07`	`_Roey`	`CHodapp: to be honest I haven't used GNOME in four or five years.`
`04:33.11`	`_Roey`	`CHodapp: can't be serious :(`
`04:33.16`	`_Roey`	`CHodapp: windowmaker is still around??`
`04:33.19`	`CHodapp`	`Uh...`
`04:33.19`	`CHodapp`	`yes`
`04:33.19`	`straw`	`well, just stay clear of political and religion :)`
`04:33.47`	`_Roey`	`CHodapp: that said... is kwin still interchangeable with other WMs?`
`04:33.54`	`CHodapp`	`Never tried.`
`04:34.11`	`CHodapp`	`You going to keep arguing with Libertarian in #politics?`
`04:34.13`	`The_Libertarian`	`The government isn't an entity, it isn't capable of any kind of responsibility. Government is only good at using force on people. Private groups are more then capable of doing all the things you want government to do.`
`04:34.15`	`straw`	`_Roey: i believe so`
`04:34.55`	`DeadS0ul`	`private gruops are driven by profits though'`
`04:34.57`	`straw`	`The_Libertarian: please, take it elsewhere. most of the chan population aren't even US citizens`
`04:35.03`	`The_Libertarian`	`How about in #freetalklive`
`04:35.08`	`CHodapp`	`#politics exists for a reason........`
`04:35.29`	`cwheeler`	`so are we moving?`
`04:35.42`	`CHodapp`	`in that you can have the most idiotic, stupid, brain-dead, loud, profane discussion, and no one's going to say it's off-topic`
`04:35.55`	`The_Libertarian`	`Sure, but how about #freetalklive`
`04:36.11`	`cwheeler`	`seems like we are having a polite discussion here`
`04:36.23`	`CHodapp`	`polite, but off-topic`
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`04:36.55`	`cwheeler`	`i said something on topic and no one seemed interested`
`04:37.12`	`philhsmith`	`problem with artsd on gentoo, 3.5. Outside of kde, I can't get it to start. Console output says can'`
`04:37.21`	`CHodapp`	`Not like I'm interested in the topic either. But I want to see what happens in #politics.`
`04:37.40`	`philhsmith`	`'t make a directory named mcop. Anyone knows where that is, or what the perms need to be? (happens as root as well.)`
`04:39.10`	`grepper`	`philhsmith: what are your perms on /tmp ?`
`04:40.09`	`philhsmith`	`they read 777 with a 't' in the last bit. Not sure what that one means.`
`04:40.38`	`straw`	`sticky bit, iirc`
`04:40.45`	`philhsmith`	`gotcha.`
`04:40.50`	`straw`	`sounds correct, philhsmith`
`04:41.12`	`grepper`	`philhsmith: perhaps your / got remounted readonly for some reason ?`
`04:41.47`	`philhsmith`	`mount claims rw, noatime (it's a reiser, if it matters)`
`04:42.20`	`grepper`	`so you can touch a file in /tmp ok ? and df shows disk space is ok ?`
`04:42.26`	`philhsmith`	`is there some lock file that needs clearing somewhere, perhaps? It happens to root as well, which makes me think it's not purely a perms problem`
`04:42.50`	`grepper`	`not perms, rw vs ro and disk space were what I was thinking`
`04:43.03`	`philhsmith`	`no usage over 30% from df.. touch /tmp/foobar seems fine`
`04:43.10`	`philhsmith`	`(as regular user and root both.)`
`04:46.10`	`grepper`	`same for home dir ?`
`04:46.40`	`grepper`	`~/.mcop`
`04:47.46`	`philhsmith`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:48.08`	`philhsmith`	`(pardon spaces around leading slash; irc command filter)`
`04:48.11`	`grepper`	`no clue then - what is the exact error message ?`
`04:48.22`	`philhsmith`	`two lines.. lemme paste them in.`
`04:48.33`	`philhsmith`	`Creating link /root/.kde/socket-megaman.`
`04:48.42`	`philhsmith`	`can't create mcop directory`
`04:48.51`	`philhsmith`	`megaman being the name of the box`
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`04:49.38`	`philhsmith`	`I'm not running kde at the time I'm trying this, mind you`
`04:49.49`	`philhsmith`	`I was hoping to get it working without X`
`04:50.01`	`SMiLeaf`	`hmm... well that is odd.. my create new option is disabled in 1 konq .. but not in a new instance of it.`
`04:50.03`	`grepper`	`working without X ?`
`04:50.30`	`philhsmith`	`without a running instance. All the libs are there. Headless music machine`
`04:50.49`	`DeadS0ul`	`http://laura.mitblogs.com/archives/2005/12/yay_a_hack.html`
`04:50.54`	`DeadS0ul`	`have any of you seen that?`
`04:51.12`	`SMiLeaf`	`Oh .. so you don't really want to run kde then.. but rather use it's libraries without X?`
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`04:51.54`	`philhsmith`	`lemme guess.. random hall`
`04:52.09`	`shevegen`	`hi, in kde 3.4 or higher, when i want to have firefox started when kde loads, where should/could i add this? any text file that loads user-requested stuff?`
`04:52.19`	`philhsmith`	`SMiLeaf: right. I'd still like to use arts, because of it's software mixing abilities`
`04:53.16`	`SMiLeaf`	`philhsmith: as far as I know.. that's fine. the majority of kde should compile without X. so I'd assume that it'd still work without X.`
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`04:54.00`	`philhsmith`	`X is installed; I'm just saying that the problem starting artsd manifests only when kde itself isn't running. KDE knows something I don't about turning it on, it looks like.`
`04:54.03`	`SMiLeaf`	`philhsmith: well.. I suppose I should say instead, I've seen "make kde compile and run without X" in their TODO. not 100% sure on it's completion.`
`04:57.44`	`straw`	`philhsmith: tried just creating the dir artsd wants?`
`04:59.38`	`philhsmith`	`that's the thing.. it won't say what the dir it wants is. Or rather, where.`
`05:00.08`	`philhsmith`	`Apparently it's named mcop. Doesn't give a full path (kde developers.. this is a telepathic broadcast to you...)`
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`05:00.54`	`straw`	`there're /tmp/mcop-strawman and ~/.mcop over here`
`05:02.14`	`DeadS0ul`	`wouldn't pwd help you find the dir?`
`05:03.00`	`philhsmith`	`I've got a /tmp/mcop-root, /tmp/mcop-phil, and ~/.mcop for both users...`
`05:03.31`	`philhsmith`	`DeadS0ul: I've never observed the directory to exist.. can't get inside to pwd`
`05:03.32`	`SMiLeaf`	`philhsmith: maybe cuz ~/.mcop is a symlink to the /tmp one?`
`05:04.17`	`SMiLeaf`	`tho I have a ~/.mcop .. but no /tmp.`
`05:04.34`	`philhsmith`	`huh! My ~/.mcop s are not symlinks, but full dirs.. Are everyone's symlinks out there?`
`05:06.09`	`grepper`	`no`
`05:07.01`	`DeadS0ul`	`do any of you know any good podcast radio stations?`
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`05:11.46`	`philhsmith`	`right. cracking out strace (shoulda thought of that before..)`
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`05:12.03`	`straw`	`you can make artsd more verbose`
`05:12.12`	`straw`	`artsd --help`
`05:13.03`	`straw`	`you might want to try that before digging through strace output`
`05:13.36`	`SMiLeaf`	`now who'd wanna make their life easier?`
`05:13.42`	`straw`	`heh`
`05:13.44`	`philhsmith`	`artsd -l 0 gives the same thing.. poo`
`05:13.59`	`straw`	`bummer :/`
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`05:15.25`	`philhsmith`	`lstat64("/root/.kde/socket-megaman", 0xbfb35e0c) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`
`05:15.39`	`philhsmith`	`is the last thing it tries before I see the io call to print out the error message`
`05:15.56`	`philhsmith`	`that inode indeed doesn't exist.. what is it supposed to be?`
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`05:16.50`	`SMiLeaf`	`should be ~/.kde/socket-{computerhostname} I thought.`
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`05:17.34`	`philhsmith`	`SMiLeaf, right, megaman is the name of the box. Is it a directory, file, softlink..?`
`05:17.40`	`SMiLeaf`	`directory.`
`05:17.44`	`philhsmith`	`groovy`
`05:17.53`	`straw`	`which is a symlink to /tmp/ksocket-{username}`
`05:18.09`	`SMiLeaf`	`straw: mine isn't.`
`05:18.10`	`The_Libertarian`	`DeadS0ul: www.freetalklive.com`
`05:18.11`	`philhsmith`	`...?`
`05:18.24`	`philhsmith`	`so we have either a symlink into temp, or a dir`
`05:18.36`	`SMiLeaf`	`either way it's a directory.`
`05:18.36`	`straw`	`SMiLeaf: oh really? how is yours different`
`05:18.42`	`philhsmith`	`are either one of you on gentoo (as I am)?`
`05:18.47`	`SMiLeaf`	`straw: beats me.. but it's a flat directory.`
`05:18.53`	`SMiLeaf`	`philhsmith: I'm running gentoo.`
`05:18.57`	`straw`	`i'm on fedora`
`05:19.06`	`SMiLeaf`	`drwx------ 3 smileaf users 8192 Dec 16 23:23 .kde/socket-hotaru/`
`05:19.07`	`philhsmith`	`let's try a directory then..`
`05:19.25`	`DeadS0ul`	`The_Libertarian: what is that for?`
`05:19.25`	`straw`	`SMiLeaf: one of us has a vendor-added patch i suppose`
`05:19.39`	`SMiLeaf`	`straw: that would be you I would assume.`
`05:19.54`	`SMiLeaf`	`redhat tends to add alot more patches than is necessary.`
`05:20.00`	`The_Libertarian`	`You wanted a good podcast.`
`05:20.04`	`DeadS0ul`	`=P`
`05:20.07`	`DeadS0ul`	`I was hoping for music`
`05:20.10`	`philhsmith`	`and now it starts! Yaaaaay!`
`05:20.11`	`straw`	`SMiLeaf: probably`
`05:20.23`	`philhsmith`	`thank you all!`
`05:20.30`	`straw`	`ah, goos`
`05:20.36`	`straw`	`good, even`
`05:20.51`	`SMiLeaf`	`straw: gentoo uses straight sources.. with only patches to fix compile error, and security flaws`
`05:21.08`	`SMiLeaf`	`well.. crashes too.`
`05:21.37`	`straw`	`SMiLeaf: yeah, fc's patches aren't generally too invasive. i checked ;)`
`05:22.07`	`SMiLeaf`	`straw: they were in the past. even went as far as changing APIs at one point I heard.`
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`05:22.29`	`straw`	`i know. they caught a lot sh*t for that`
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`05:23.39`	`straw`	`but that was ages ago`
`05:23.44`	`SMiLeaf`	`yah`
`05:23.55`	`SMiLeaf`	`I personally tho have never cared too much for redhat or fedora.`
`05:24.05`	`SMiLeaf`	`dunno why.`
`05:24.24`	`SMiLeaf`	`rpms are not the reason btw.`
`05:24.57`	`straw`	`there's a fair amount of distaste for them in the kde community`
`05:25.17`	`SMiLeaf`	`maybe it's cuz I don't like red... except if that's the color of a girl's hair :)`
`05:25.32`	`SMiLeaf`	`then red is very good :D`
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`05:25.52`	`straw`	`probably because they don't focus much attention on it, and they do dumb things like bluecurve`
`05:26.26`	`straw`	`the qt style and win deco are just insulting :/`
`05:26.29`	`frb`	`can I start konq in a sandbox, such that nothing in this session will be saved anywhere?`
`05:27.00`	`straw`	`the cursor and icon themes are great, though i think`
`05:27.30`	`SMiLeaf`	`straw: I prefer the default kde crystal one more than any other I've seen thus far.`
`05:27.54`	`straw`	`yeah, it's very nice`
`05:27.59`	`SMiLeaf`	`I've tried a few.. some of the icons are better in other themes.. but the majority of them suck.`
`05:28.30`	`straw`	`i've been contributing to the tango icon theme quite a bit :)`
`05:28.52`	`straw`	`http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=32288`
`05:29.09`	`SMiLeaf`	`such as I prefer the 16x16 back, next, up, home, and reload button icons than the other ones like 24x24.`
`05:29.25`	`SMiLeaf`	`tango to me is too dull.`
`05:29.28`	`straw`	`lots of OMG it's gnome! though`
`05:29.43`	`SMiLeaf`	`Gnome has a very dull look to it to be honest.`
`05:29.53`	`SMiLeaf`	`very gray / brownish.`
`05:30.00`	`straw`	`i know. i'm more interested in promoting the icon naming spec`
`05:30.13`	`SMiLeaf`	`likewise.. I thought about patching mine.`
`05:30.32`	`frb`	`I'm using glow decorations, with plastik style`
`05:30.39`	`straw`	`yeah, most of the active gnome artists seem to like muted colors for some reason`
`05:31.03`	`SMiLeaf`	`tho I'd prefer instead of a naming scheme. . a design where you can fully customize each icon.`
`05:31.19`	`SMiLeaf`	`such as right now I can't change out the kmenu icon.`
`05:31.29`	`frb`	`I'll take that as no one knows how to make konq play in a sandbox`
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`05:31.37`	`SMiLeaf`	`I can't change the directory icon for _all_ directories.`
`05:31.44`	`SMiLeaf`	`actually I think I can.`
`05:32.15`	`SMiLeaf`	`but toolbar buttons.. you can't`
`05:33.06`	`SMiLeaf`	`oops.. I stand corrected yet again!`
`05:33.27`	`SMiLeaf`	`I love being corrected. hehe`
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`05:34.27`	`SMiLeaf`	`however.. going even further. you can't tell kde .. when an application wants to use the printer icon.. use this one instead.`
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`05:36.34`	`straw`	`there is a hack of sorts`
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`05:37.26`	`straw`	`SMiLeaf: create an "overlay" theme in ~/.kde/share/icons and inherit crystalsvg`
`05:38.02`	`straw`	`it's a pain though`
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`05:47.05`	`marcusU`	`Is there a GUI way to add a Trash icon to the desktop?`
`05:48.33`	`marcusU`	`I don't have any Trash can on the desktop, and I don't know how to get it.`
`05:49.47`	`straw`	`cp $KDEDIR/share/apps/systemview/trash.desktop ~/Desktop`
`05:50.22`	`marcusU`	`how about a GUI method for adding it? users shouldn't have to do that.`
`05:50.22`	`straw`	`that should work, assuming you haven't changed ~/Desktop's path`
`05:50.44`	`straw`	`marcusU: that's true`
`05:51.07`	`marcusU`	`I mean, there ought to be a way to click and add it without having to know the magic path. I tried opening trash:/ in Konqueror, which works, but dragging the URI icon onto the desktop does not work. :-(`
`05:51.14`	`straw`	`no gui method that i know of`
`05:51.17`	`marcusU`	`Oh well. I don't feel like getting too frustrated.`
`05:51.54`	`grepper`	`I think you need the .directory file`
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`05:53.03`	`prium`	`hey, whats the name of the package that will setup the applet bar?`
`05:53.13`	`prium`	`CPU usage, etc.`
`05:53.13`	`straw`	`grepper: i was assuming it was already present`
`05:53.15`	`marcusU`	`But the trash icon does not show the empty/non-empty state. It always looks empty.`
`05:53.29`	`grepper`	`marcusU: you have ~/Desktop/Trash/.directory ?`
`05:53.50`	`marcusU`	`I don't even have a ~/Desktop/Trash`
`05:54.08`	`straw`	`~/.local/Trash`
`05:54.10`	`grepper`	`its a directory, so it needs to be somewhere`
`05:54.13`	`grepper`	`that is the default afaik`
`05:54.25`	`grepper`	`oh, maybe the old default then`
`05:54.41`	`straw`	`~/.local/Trash is the spec way. iirc`
`05:54.43`	`apt`	`okay, straw`
`05:54.55`	`marcusU`	`Mine is ~/.local/share/Trash`
`05:54.57`	`jobezone0`	`OT:is it possible to retrieve a forgotten nick password from this server?`
`05:55.00`	`straw`	`oh shush, apt`
`05:55.01`	`grepper`	`ok`
`05:55.14`	`marcusU`	`But I don't have any .directory file in ~/.local/share/Trash`
`05:55.48`	`grepper`	`me either`
`05:56.00`	`grepper`	`I guess I'm just dated with that info`
`05:56.08`	`marcusU`	`Okay. I think it's working now. I hope.`
`05:56.17`	`marcusU`	`bye grepper`
`05:57.48`	`straw`	`the .directory file is in ~/Desktop`
`05:58.23`	`straw`	`crap. it's ~/.local/share/Trash :/`
`05:58.31`	`straw`	`sorry`
`05:58.46`	`marcusU`	`I figured that out, straw. It's okay.`
`05:58.52`	`straw`	`heheh`
`05:59.48`	`SMiLeaf`	`anyone know of a good bash script to reference if I wanted to do parameter options?`
`06:01.29`	`straw`	`so you can do some-script.sh --some-param ?`
`06:02.33`	`SMiLeaf`	`yah.`
`06:02.42`	`SMiLeaf`	`I wanna do multiple options too.`
`06:02.46`	`SMiLeaf`	`in any order.`
`06:02.48`	`straw`	`hm, no :(`
`06:02.59`	`SMiLeaf`	`also would like to support shortened options too.`
`06:03.11`	`straw`	`not offhand, anyway`
`06:03.21`	`SMiLeaf`	`boo. .. I don't wanna reinvent this :/`
`06:03.44`	`straw`	`hit up google for a minute`
`06:04.08`	`straw`	`hell, there's probably one on your hdd`
`06:04.49`	`SMiLeaf`	`yah.. hitting up google right now.`
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`06:05.06`	`SMiLeaf`	`found out how to do pattern checking ;)`
`06:05.13`	`straw`	`mozilla-bin is called from a bash script that accepts options, iirc`
`06:06.10`	`SMiLeaf`	`sure does.... exec /usr/libexec/mozilla-launcher "$@"`
`06:06.19`	`straw`	`bah :)`
`06:06.32`	`straw`	`i was afraid of that`
`06:06.38`	`SMiLeaf`	`oops.. /usr/libexec/mozilla-launcher is a script too.`
`06:07.18`	`SMiLeaf`	`woo!`
`06:07.28`	`SMiLeaf`	`it has a parse_cmdline() function !`
`06:07.34`	`straw`	`aha`
`06:07.46`	`straw`	`gank it ;)`
`06:08.02`	`SMiLeaf`	`oh.. there will be some serious gankage going on here...`
`06:08.09`	`straw`	`heheh`
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`06:09.43`	`prium`	`can someone pass me to documentation about the kde applet panel? ie, the panel where i can view cpu usage/memory usage/etc.etc.`
`06:12.01`	`straw`	`right click on the panel, Add to Panel -> Applet -> System Monitor`
`06:13.35`	`prium`	`alright. if i don't have the applet, is there a place i can find all these?`
`06:13.41`	`prium`	`freshmeat/kde-apps`
`06:13.56`	`straw`	`what distro?`
`06:14.42`	`prium`	`gentoo`
`06:15.45`	`straw`	`well, you probably need to install more of kde`
`06:16.00`	`straw`	`but i don't use gentoo`
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`06:17.32`	`Dhraakellian`	`packages.gentoo.org might be a good place to search and see what you want`
`06:17.33`	`straw`	`System Monitor applet is apparently awol, Dhraakellian`
`06:18.04`	`Dhraakellian`	`esearch, from what I remember, is also a nice tool`
`06:18.19`	`straw`	`oh`
`06:18.57`	`SMiLeaf`	`esearch?`
`06:18.59`	`prium`	`dhra: yeah... emerge -s`
`06:19.09`	`Dhraakellian`	`where "quite a while" means "almost six months"`
`06:19.16`	`prium`	`its good but its not too useful if the applet's part of another package`
`06:19.37`	`Dhraakellian`	`prium: emerge -S:esearch::find:locate`
`06:19.47`	`Dhraakellian`	`(maybe not 100% accurate, but close enough)`
`06:19.55`	`prium`	`yeah`
`06:19.57`	`prium`	`i think you're right`
`06:20.19`	`Dhraakellian`	`but packages.gentoo.org is still nifty`
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`07:10.12`	`Nonsense`	`is there supposed to be a tab in "control center -> peripherals, display" that talks about dual monitor support?`
`07:10.29`	`Nonsense`	`I'm in kde 3.4.3 with ati radeon 9200`
`07:11.26`	`firephoto`	`Nonsense: should be if you have xinerama support on I think.`
`07:11.47`	`Nonsense`	`and how would one check to see if xinerama support is turned on?`
`07:11.52`	`Nonsense`	`I'm in gentoo`
`07:12.14`	`firephoto`	`use flag... and probably your xorg.conf. not sure about the specifics for xorg and an ati card.`
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`07:12.46`	`Nonsense`	`I just added xinerama to my use flags and recompiled kde 3.4.3`
`07:12.53`	`firephoto`	`might just be the useflag. seems like I dont have anything xinerama related in my xorg.conf.`
`07:12.54`	`Nonsense`	`but the tab still doesn't show up`
`07:13.01`	`_Roey`	`I'm adding a video card to an old p3-500 I set up for my parents. Can anyone recommend a well-supported, inexpensive AGP card?`
`07:13.16`	`_Roey`	`i.e. not ati 9600 and above or anything nvidia`
`07:13.22`	`Random_Transit`	`does anyone know if 3.5 is in the SuSE repos yet?`
`07:13.22`	`CHodapp`	`Try an older Radeon, like a 9250`
`07:13.40`	`Nonsense`	`ati is supposed to have xinerama built into its drivers... and it does from what I hear, but I there is also supposed to be a tab in kde for me to change some options, and I can't find it :(`
`07:13.40`	`_Roey`	`ok`
`07:13.47`	`_Roey`	`CHodapp: is acceleration supported there?`
`07:14.06`	`CHodapp`	`_Roey, yes, through open source drivers`
`07:14.14`	`CHodapp`	`I found one of these for about $30 - $50`
`07:14.16`	`firephoto`	`Nonsense: that is the correct location. check your xorg log and see if xinerama is getting enabled.`
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`07:15.09`	`_Roey`	`CHodapp: wonderful, thank you :)`
`07:15.13`	`_Roey`	`CHodapp: is it like a geforce4 ti4200?`
`07:15.17`	`_Roey`	`in terms of power?`
`07:15.24`	`CHodapp`	`Slower.`
`07:15.26`	`Nonsense`	`(II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA`
`07:15.29`	`Nonsense`	`looks like it`
`07:15.36`	`CHodapp`	`Um... like a lot slower.`
`07:15.53`	`firephoto`	`Nonsense: and you have one big desktop that spans all displays?`
`07:16.04`	`Nonsense`	`yep`
`07:16.08`	`Nonsense`	`working currently`
`07:16.35`	`firephoto`	`did you emerge every kde package with the xinerama flag?`
`07:16.41`	`Nonsense`	`yep`
`07:16.51`	`Nonsense`	`started at 8am finished a half hour ago`
`07:17.01`	`firephoto`	`so 'emerge world -vauDN' doesn't show anything ?`
`07:17.11`	`_Roey`	`CHodapp: all I want is somehing that lets them browse web sites and canmaybe display a movie.`
`07:17.28`	`CHodapp`	`_Roey, do you need 3D?`
`07:17.31`	`_Roey`	`no`
`07:17.32`	`_Roey`	`not at all`
`07:17.37`	`_Roey`	`just acceleration of 2d.`
`07:17.47`	`CHodapp`	`_Roey, then just find a cheap used PCI card like a Matrox or something...`
`07:18.00`	`_Roey`	`right now I have this: 0000:00:0c.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c968 [Vision 968 VRAM] rev 0`
`07:18.06`	`_Roey`	`and I don't know the driver. s3/`
`07:18.06`	`_Roey`	`?`
`07:18.10`	`CHodapp`	`perhaps`
`07:18.11`	`_Roey`	`it's damned slow. NO acceleration.`
`07:18.15`	`_Roey`	`actually,`
`07:18.18`	`_Roey`	`i'm using 'vesa'`
`07:18.23`	`_Roey`	`because 's3' won't work.k`
`07:18.39`	`Nonsense`	`nothing`
`07:18.51`	`CHodapp`	`Hrm.`
`07:19.08`	`CHodapp`	`Well, most cards should have at least some kind of 3D acceleration. Find a Matrox or an old ATI or anything...`
`07:19.24`	`firephoto`	`_Roey: that uses the savage driver probably`
`07:19.31`	`_Roey`	`firephoto: oh??`
`07:19.39`	`_Roey`	`firephoto: I had no idea.. I thought it was s3...`
`07:19.47`	`_Roey`	`firephoto: should I re-load and try savage?`
`07:20.12`	`firephoto`	`it won't hurt... it's not very fast driver unless you use xorg-7 (6.9)`
`07:20.28`	`_Roey`	`ii xserver-xorg 6.8.2.dfsg.1-11 the X.Org X server`
`07:20.42`	`_Roey`	`firephoto: why is it not very fast?`
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`07:21.05`	`firephoto`	`only hardware acceleration in the new drivers in the next version of xorg...`
`07:21.07`	`_Roey`	`firephoto: you mean no acceleration??`
`07:21.10`	`CHodapp`	`Have they updated S3 stuff in recent X?`
`07:21.11`	`_Roey`	`doh!`
`07:21.21`	`_Roey`	`CHodapp: not that I know of.. Ijust installed Debian on it last night`
`07:21.22`	`_Roey`	`debian etch.`
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`07:23.11`	`_Roey`	`does the Linux kernel support PCIe?`
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`07:24.31`	`nightmaster`	`my sound works fine in terminal but kmixer wont recognize it even tho kde will play sounds`
`07:25.34`	`Nonsense`	`yeah.. I don't understand.. all the kde apps are in the equery for xinerama use flag`
`07:26.34`	`Nonsense`	`but theres no options in the control center`
`07:28.56`	`CHodapp`	`_Roey, yes, to my knowledge, but standard kernels might not`
`07:29.02`	`_Roey`	`o`
`07:29.02`	`_Roey`	`ok`
`07:29.24`	`_Roey`	`are there any other PCIe cards other than vidoe cards?`
`07:29.28`	`_Roey`	`are there PCIe network cards`
`07:29.34`	`_Roey`	`or video capture cards`
`07:29.34`	`_Roey`	`?`
`07:29.52`	`Gentle`	`_Roey, yes, but only for notebooks/laptops`
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`07:30.27`	`kakalto`	`where is the konqueror icon kept?`
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`07:30.37`	`kakalto`	`in kde3.5`
`07:30.40`	`kakalto`	`?`
`07:30.40`	`_Roey`	`http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20050129112930.html`
`07:30.50`	`kakalto`	`?`
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`07:36.42`	`Nonsense`	`I've just got to be missing something stupid`
`07:37.06`	`Nonsense`	`is there an option I need to enable to see the 'multiple monitor' tab in the control center?`
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`07:42.48`	`Nonsense`	`it is supposed to show up in ati "big desktop" mode.. right?`
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`07:51.10`	`Gentle`	`Nonsense, doesn't ATI have a xinerama mode?`
`07:51.32`	`Nonsense`	`yes... they include xinerama into the drivers now and call it "big desktop"`
`07:52.08`	`Gentle`	`well, nvidia has 3 modes, single screen (switch), big desktop and xinerama`
`07:53.09`	`Nonsense`	`ati (in my version of drivers) has: single, clone (same content on both), big desktop (stretched across 2 monitors with one framebuffer) and dual head (two seperate drivers and 2 seperate x sessions)`
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`08:10.15`	`lynxlynxlynx`	`greetings`
`08:10.21`	`Nonsense`	`hi`
`08:10.29`	`Nonsense`	`lynx eh?`
`08:10.48`	`lynxlynxlynx`	`not browser related`
`08:11.08`	`Nonsense`	`isn't a lynx like a puma?`
`08:11.26`	`lynxlynxlynx`	`it's a cat yes`
`08:11.32`	`Nonsense`	`meow`
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`08:11.38`	`lynxlynxlynx`	`don't know much about pumas though`
`08:11.50`	`Nonsense`	`I think they're shoes too`
`08:12.09`	`lynxlynxlynx`	`plenty of things are named lynx`
`08:12.12`	`Nonsense`	`sorry, I'm a little random and sleep deprived`
`08:12.27`	`lynxlynxlynx`	`nonsense :P`
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`08:41.29`	`superdump`	`atari lynx`
`08:44.39`	`lynxlynxlynx`	`i have this curious little bug (kde 3.5): if i start konqueror --profile bla from the menu, it is ok. If i start it from the prompt, it is ok. But if i start it through a khotkeys binding, it works, but then it immediately dissapears from the taskbar and i must use alt+tab to get to it`
`08:45.02`	`lynxlynxlynx`	`i'm not sure what/where the problem is :s`
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`09:12.24`	`sque`	`hi`
`09:13.03`	`sque`	`how do i change the double-click action?`
`09:14.55`	`Sho_`	`sque: Sorry, you will have to explain better what you intend to accomplish :)`
`09:16.16`	`xoxo`	`why i cannot yum update kde-redhat these days, always time out`
`09:16.19`	`sque`	`Sho_, yeah sory... I mean at the konqueror`
`09:16.36`	`sque`	`If i single-click in a folder, it enters in it`
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`09:17.02`	`sque`	`I want to have to double click to get into a folder and single-click to select folder/file`
`09:17.41`	`Sho_`	`sque: KControl -> Peripherals -> Mouse -> Use double-click`
`09:18.43`	`sque`	`Sho_, ooo there it was!`
`09:18.47`	`Sho_`	`:)`
`09:18.47`	`sque`	`ty ty ty :D :D`
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`09:28.24`	`peppelorum`	`In konqueror, if I hit ctrl+t and start writing the url pretty quick the first letters diseapers, anyone else experiencing this?`
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`09:32.26`	`skelll`	`hello`
`09:32.33`	`lynxlynxlynx`	`oj`
`09:33.10`	`skelll`	`i have trouble with k3b , when i launch it it stop at "scanning devices" but then i'm not able to kill it at all`
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`09:34.14`	`skelll`	`i tried kill -9 but it had no effect at all`
`09:34.23`	`peppelorum`	`xkill?`
`09:35.37`	`skelll`	`xkill kill the "splash screen" but not the process`
`09:35.48`	`lynxlynxlynx`	`pkill -9 k3b`
`09:36.33`	`skelll`	`pkill have no effect too`
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`09:38.27`	`lynxlynxlynx`	`is it a zombie?`
`09:38.33`	`skelll`	`no`
`09:38.44`	`skelll`	`root 12971 0.0 3.3 34004 17540 pts/0 D 10:18 0:01 k3b`
`09:39.44`	`lynxlynxlynx`	`D Uninterruptible sleep`
`09:39.59`	`Insomniac-`	`that's what i need`
`09:40.33`	`skelll`	`why does he sleep ? :)`
`09:40.49`	`lynxlynxlynx`	`it's scanning for the devices ;)`
`09:41.06`	`lynxlynxlynx`	`maybe it's caught in a bad loop`
`09:42.19`	`lynxlynxlynx`	`does k3b have any subprocesses?`
`09:42.27`	`lynxlynxlynx`	`try pstree or ps --forest`
`09:42.28`	`skelll`	`i killed them all`
`09:42.55`	`lynxlynxlynx`	`hmm`
`09:43.17`	`skelll`	`no subprocess`
`09:45.15`	`skelll`	`strange isn't it ...`
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`09:52.13`	`lynxlynxlynx`	`interesting :)`
`09:56.14`	`skelll`	`ok i need to reboot then (he will work fine then usually)`
`09:56.17`	`skelll`	`cya thanks`
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`10:22.40`	`oaK`	`Have you noticed there's no projects in newest version of kate?`
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`10:39.02`	`wcang`	`hi all`
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`10:39.38`	`wcang`	`anyone know about ms-its kioslave?`
`10:40.14`	`wcang`	`does it come with default KDE package?`
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`10:40.41`	`PhilRod`	`I've never heard of it, so I'd assume that it doesn't`
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`10:41.06`	`wcang`	`it's kioslave for micro$oft CHM file`
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`10:43.39`	`wcang`	`when i try to open an image using inside CHM file, the page always shows up some garbage instead of picture.`
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`10:44.06`	`wcang`	`i notice that the code is using khtml_part to open it.`
`10:44.15`	`ponto`	`Hi, when I start kate with a filename given which does not exist, kate does not complain. However when I use kate -u filename for a file, which does not exist, I get an annoying message box. How can one avoid it?`
`10:45.04`	`PhilRod`	`ponto: hrm, sounds like a bug. What does the message box say?`
`10:45.47`	`wcang`	`is there anyway to provide hint to khtml_part that the file is going to be a picture instead of html file? I am sorry if I asked the wrong question because I am not familiar with KDE development.`
`10:46.22`	`wcang`	`typo error, .... the file that is going to be opened is a picture ...`
`10:47.44`	`ponto`	`PhilRod: The file file:///home/devel/trot/bla could not be loaded, as it was not possible to read from it. Check if you have read access to this file.`
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`10:49.07`	`PhilRod`	`ponto: I'm not very familiar with kate, but I assume that is a bug. You might want to see if someone has filed it on bugs.kde.org`
`10:49.36`	`lostson`	`any good kde apps for converting a mp3 file to ogg vorbis ?`
`10:49.51`	`nightswim`	`I dont think there are any good apps at all for that`
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`10:49.59`	`nightswim`	`if you care for the sound quality`
`10:50.18`	`PhilRod`	`(ponto: bug because, if you can open a new file without -u, you should be able to do the same with -u)`
`10:50.18`	`lostson`	`hmmm`
`10:50.33`	`PhilRod`	`lostson: try kaudiocreator. You'll have to go mp3->wav->ogg though`
`10:50.44`	`PhilRod`	`and as nightswim says, you'll lose sound quality`
`10:50.45`	`lostson`	`ok`
`10:51.03`	`ponto`	`PhilRod: going to check this`
`10:51.19`	`lostson`	`does kaudiocreator do this`
`10:53.08`	`wcang`	`sorry for the noise. as it turns out, ms-its kioslave is distributed with kchmview which installed.`
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`11:01.31`	`markey`	`Skrot: I found out what's wrong with your files`
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`11:05.16`	`Skrot`	`markey: really?`
`11:05.23`	`markey`	`really`
`11:05.35`	`markey`	`there's a few hundred bytes of junk at the beginning of the file`
`11:05.39`	`markey`	`just zeros`
`11:05.45`	`markey`	`that confuses xine`
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`11:06.00`	`markey`	`either from your tagger, or from the encoder`
`11:06.11`	`markey`	`I wouldn't use that tool again, if I were you ;)`
`11:06.17`	`markey`	`badly broken shit`
`11:06.25`	`Skrot`	`hmm, I used k3b :]`
`11:06.44`	`Skrot`	`With lame as the backend for encoding mp3`
`11:06.54`	`markey`	`can't tell what broke it`
`11:07.01`	`markey`	`it's using id3-v1 tags, btw`
`11:07.06`	`markey`	`better use id3-v2`
`11:07.11`	`Skrot`	`right :)`
`11:07.20`	`markey`	`anyway, I'm working on a new mp3fixer version`
`11:07.23`	`markey`	`it will be able to cure it`
`11:07.45`	`Skrot`	`neat, atleast I'll be able to fix the bad files I've got then`
`11:07.49`	`markey`	`stripping the junk data out`
`11:07.54`	`markey`	`yup`
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`11:18.39`	`PhilRod`	`anders olleh`
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`11:29.48`	`marxin`	`Plase could you advise me some interesting superkaramba tool ?`
`11:30.08`	`marxin`	`f.e. from this screenshot : http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=166883622431c69acda6fb&p=screen .. the panel on the right`
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`11:36.16`	`marxin`	`??`
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`11:36.16`	`marxin`	`f.e. from this screenshot : http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=166883622431c69acda6fb&p=screen .. the panel on the right`
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`11:36.17`	`oGALAXYo`	`markey: thats no panel, thats superkaramba`
`11:36.17`	`markey`	`eh?`
`11:36.18`	`marxin`	`and what motive in superkaramba ?`
`11:36.18`	`oGALAXYo`	`err`
`11:36.18`	`oGALAXYo`	`marxin: that is :)`
`11:36.18`	`oGALAXYo`	`markey: sorry, ghey nick complete`
`11:36.18`	`marxin`	`yes, but in usperkaramba are motives, and cant find this`
`11:36.19`	`Skrot`	`Are you talking about superkaramba themes?`
`11:36.19`	`marxin`	`yes`
`11:36.27`	`marxin`	`http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=166883622431c69acda6fb&p=screen`
`11:36.32`	`marxin`	`the panel on the right`
`11:36.42`	`Skrot`	`The one with all the system information`
`11:36.42`	`Skrot`	`?`
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`11:37.07`	`marxin`	`Skrot: yes`
`11:37.08`	`marxin`	`yes`
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`11:37.13`	`oGALAXYo`	`marxin: thats no panel thats superkaramba`
`11:37.40`	`marxin`	`ok`
`11:37.51`	`marxin`	`and what theme in superkamba is it`
`11:37.52`	`marxin`	`?`
`11:38.27`	`Skrot`	`Try looking for it at http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=high&page=0`
`11:38.53`	`Skrot`	`It could be a well-configured version of some of those (e.g the background and icons are changed). A lot of themes let you do that`
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`11:40.46`	`marxin`	`Skrot: THX`
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`11:47.18`	`willwork4foo`	`hmmm...`
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`11:47.32`	`Skrot`	`marxin: yes`
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`11:47.59`	`oGALAXYo`	`heh`
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`11:48.23`	`willwork4foo`	`My k3b doesn't work now after I've installed KDE 3.5 - what gives with that?`
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`11:48.46`	`Skrot`	`willwork4foo: "doesn't work" isn't very informative...`
`11:49.04`	`oGALAXYo`	`willwork4foo: enter 'ldconfig' as root and re-try`
`11:49.06`	`willwork4foo`	`Skrot: I get an error message about libsamplerate.so.0`
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`11:49.27`	`Skrot`	`What oGALAXYo said`
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`11:50.24`	`willwork4foo`	`still doesn't work.`
`11:50.33`	`willwork4foo`	`I get: k3b: error while loading shared libraries: libsamplerate.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory`
`11:50.42`	`oGALAXYo`	`then you need to install that library`
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`11:51.02`	`willwork4foo`	`but k3b worked before I upgraded to KDE3.5`
`11:51.04`	`willwork4foo`	`:(`
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`11:51.10`	`Skrot`	`willwork4foo: distro?`
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`11:51.24`	`willwork4foo`	`Slackware`
`11:51.26`	`willwork4foo`	`10.2`
`11:51.30`	`willwork4foo`	`(well - Slackware-current)`
`11:51.31`	`Skrot`	`Try getting libsamplerate`
`11:51.33`	`oGALAXYo`	`willwork4foo: thats the problem 'upgrade'`
`11:51.43`	`oGALAXYo`	`your upgrade sadly removed that library`
`11:51.47`	`oGALAXYo`	`you need to re-install it`
`11:51.49`	`willwork4foo`	`bugger.`
`11:52.03`	`oGALAXYo`	`or install a NEW version of k3b`
`11:52.21`	`Skrot`	`http://www.mega-nerd.com/SRC`
`11:52.27`	`willwork4foo`	`I am downloading libsamplerate sourcecode from there already`
`11:52.36`	`oGALAXYo`	`aehm no`
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`11:52.41`	`oGALAXYo`	`install the one from your distro`
`11:52.42`	`Skrot`	`Not?`
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`11:52.56`	`willwork4foo`	`I prefer to install from source to be honest`
`11:53.18`	`Skrot`	`Isn't "everything" in slack from source?`
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`11:53.33`	`willwork4foo`	`no, there are compiled slackware binaries available`
`11:53.42`	`Skrot`	`oh :)`
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`11:54.39`	`willwork4foo`	`ok right - installing libsamplerate from source didn't fix the problem - I still get the same error.`
`11:54.40`	`willwork4foo`	`feck.`
`11:54.52`	`oGALAXYo`	`ahh wait..`
`11:55.00`	`oGALAXYo`	`you dont happen to have compiled your stuff with different compilers ?`
`11:55.06`	`willwork4foo`	`no.`
`11:55.08`	`oGALAXYo`	`e.g. old stuff with gcc 3 and new stuff with gcc 4 ?`
`11:55.17`	`willwork4foo`	`I'm using 3.4.4`
`11:55.23`	`willwork4foo`	`for everything`
`11:55.38`	`oGALAXYo`	`in what prefix did you compile libsamplerate ?`
`11:55.44`	`oGALAXYo`	`and install`
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`11:56.38`	`YogeshM`	`./confugure in arts(trunk) generates: checking for Qt... libraries /usr/lib/qt3/lib, headers /usr/lib/qt3/include using -mt; i've qt4 in /usr/local/qt; how to configure`
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`11:56.45`	`willwork4foo`	`I've just installed the libsamplerate slackware package and now it's complaining about a different library... k3b: error while loading shared libraries: libmusicbrainz.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory`
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`11:58.22`	`willwork4foo`	`wahey`
`11:58.24`	`willwork4foo`	`it works now`
`11:58.41`	`willwork4foo`	`I installed libmusicbrainz and libsamplerate slackware packages, and then the k3b slackware package`
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`11:58.43`	`willwork4foo`	`and it works.`
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`12:44.24`	`netmask`	`hello! is there any app that uses similar features as amaroK but that works videos?`
`12:45.17`	`joedj`	`netmask: what kinda features?`
`12:45.18`	`oGALAXYo`	`kmplayer`
`12:45.20`	`oGALAXYo`	`kaffeine`
`12:45.37`	`Skrot`	`If you want the "collection"-element of amaroK in a videoplayer I think not?`
`12:45.59`	`netmask`	`joedj: the music collection, the intelligent relations, wiki search, and such... all that cool features that no other player has :)`
`12:46.16`	`Skrot`	`netmask: I think part of the problem is that there are no good ways (afaik) to tag video?`
`12:46.22`	`Skrot`	`Like we do id3 on mp3s`
`12:46.33`	`netmask`	`Skrot: you can get form the name, I guess...`
`12:47.37`	`Skrot`	`Are there even "standards" for tagging video? I've seen that some xvid/divx has tags`
`12:47.37`	`netmask`	`[file] File size is 359955894 bytes`
`12:47.37`	`netmask`	`STREAM: [file] Stargate SG-1 [6x01] Redemption.avi`
`12:47.38`	`netmask`	`STREAM: Description: File`
`12:47.38`	`netmask`	`STREAM: Author: Albeu`
`12:47.38`	`netmask`	`STREAM: Comment: based on the code from ??? (probably Arpi)`
`12:47.53`	`Skrot`	`yes`
`12:48.26`	`Skrot`	`how do you even go about to tag a vid in kde?`
`12:48.54`	`netmask`	`don't know :)`
`12:49.31`	`Skrot`	`me neither :)`
`12:50.07`	`netmask`	`I really miss that for videos :)`
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`12:52.41`	`netmask`	`thiago: hey :)`
`12:53.26`	`Skrot`	`netmask: That makes two of us`
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`12:56.32`	`Belegdol`	`hi`
`12:57.12`	`Belegdol`	`I have installed kde 3.5 and the new transparent panel is awesome`
`12:57.22`	`Belegdol`	`how to ake everything else transparent?`
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`12:57.35`	`Belegdol`	`i.e menus, windows, etc`
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`13:55.29`	`atchek`	`hi`
`13:55.32`	`atchek`	`i need some help here`
`13:55.48`	`atchek`	`konqueror: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdeinit_konqueror.so: undefined symbol: _ZNK6KParts16BrowserExtension10actionTextEPKc`
`13:55.52`	`atchek`	`what is this mean?`
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`14:04.31`	`kommerck`	`hi`
`14:04.45`	`kommerck`	`I've a problem with KDE 3.5 on suse 9.3`
`14:05.10`	`kommerck`	`I run KNemo and kxkb on kde startup`
`14:05.15`	`kommerck`	`with 3.4 it was ok`
`14:06.00`	`kommerck`	`after I upgraded to 3.5, those don't display in the systray anymore`
`14:06.11`	`kommerck`	`to make them display, I must restart X`
`14:06.33`	`kommerck`	`and relogin, and after reboot and first login they don't display again`
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`14:39.52`	`\|boot\|`	`hello all. I have problem with compile kde 3.5. Distro - ALTlinux. I've been installed all components and *-devel packages. Its Kdebase - kdeprint error`
`14:40.13`	`\|boot\|`	`Making all in kdeprint`
`14:40.13`	`\|boot\|`	make[3]: Entering directory `/mnt/img/kde/kdebase-3.5.0/kdebase-3.5.0/doc/kdeprint'
`14:40.13`	`\|boot\|`	`/home/guest/KDE/bin/meinproc --check --cache index.cache.bz2 ./index.docbook`
`14:40.13`	`\|boot\|`	`index.docbook:31: parser error : Entity 'kdeprint' not defined`
`14:40.13`	`\|boot\|`	`<title>The &kdeprint; Handbook</title>`
`14:40.13`	`\|boot\|`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`14:40.33`	`\|boot\|`	`..and many others`
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`14:42.15`	`\|boot\|`	`(*many others parser errors)`
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`14:57.32`	`Thrain`	`excuse me`
`14:57.36`	`Thrain`	`I found a problem`
`14:57.47`	`Thrain`	`konqueror writes profile-only settings in konquerorrc`
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`14:59.14`	`aep`	`hi. i need a howto and an example for writing kde window deccorations`
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`15:00.14`	`_wcang`	`test`
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`15:04.34`	`Thrain`	`someone?`
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`15:04.39`	`[-D7-]`	`hello !`
`15:04.42`	`[-D7-]`	`one question`
`15:04.47`	`fpitt_`	`Hi2all`
`15:04.57`	`[-D7-]`	`how I can unistall a superkaramba theme ?`
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`15:05.31`	`sredna`	`aep: Google. There is a tutorial somewhere - maybe at developer.kde.org`
`15:05.40`	`StevenR`	`[-D7-]: how did you install it? (please pick a better nick that is easier to tab complete)`
`15:06.02`	`StevenR`	`hey anders :) hows things?`
`15:06.29`	`[-D7-]`	`StevenR, ( yes , you're right ,,,next time change nick )`
`15:06.42`	`sredna`	`StevenR: Fine thanks :)`
`15:06.54`	`sredna`	`And how are you?`
`15:06.56`	`StevenR`	`[-D7-]: how did you install the theme?`
`15:07.16`	`[-D7-]`	`StevenR, I installed it in KDE 3.5, with New Stuff, and Install button`
`15:07.18`	`StevenR`	`sredna: I'm ok....typing up the big big thesis....so dull, but gotta be done`
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`15:08.12`	`StevenR`	`sredna: i've been asked what i want for xmas by my dad....and i have absolutely no idea`
`15:08.20`	`aep`	`sredna, ther is one. but ist for kde 3.2`
`15:08.21`	`sredna`	`StevenR: Hire a chinese, that seems to be what everyone does these days :o`
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`15:08.36`	`sredna`	`aep: Afaik it's still valid`
`15:08.49`	`aep`	`ok thx`
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`15:09.05`	`sredna`	`aep: But you can compare to the docs for the relevant classes`
`15:09.13`	`StevenR`	`sredna: nah, they wouldn't understand the project, cos they didn't do it. only i can write this up and i have to do viva voce exam to prove i didnt cheat basically`
`15:09.45`	`sredna`	`StevenR: Well, happy typing then :)`
`15:09.52`	`StevenR`	`thanks sredna`
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`15:10.50`	`[-D7-]`	`hello, how I can unistall a superkaramba theme ?`
`15:11.07`	`wcang_`	`hi, can someone point me to information on the design/architecture of kioslave?`
`15:11.13`	`Sho_`	`[-D7-]: Close it and delete the .theme and associated files`
`15:11.25`	`[-D7-]`	`ok`
`15:11.33`	`Sho_`	`wcang_: look around on http://developer.kde.org/`
`15:11.52`	`SAngeli`	`Hi, I tried to install firefox 1.5 on a i686 and noticed that in order to install flash and other plugins, I can do this as if I would install any extension, something it was not possible before. Has anyone experienced the same thing?`
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`15:12.39`	`Sho_`	`SAngeli: Wrong channel? :-)`
`15:12.49`	`SAngeli`	`thks`
`15:13.05`	`wcang_`	`ok`
`15:13.30`	`Sho_`	`wcang_: http://www.heise.de/ct/english/01/05/242/`
`15:13.48`	`wcang_`	`thanks`
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`15:13.54`	`sredna`	`StevenR: You are a native english speaker, right? "Auto rotate page" or "Autorotate page"?`
`15:14.13`	`StevenR`	`sredna: context in a sentence please?`
`15:14.28`	`StevenR`	`sredna: or is it a menu option?`
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`15:14.35`	`Sho_`	`sredna: I'd go for "Auto-rotate page"`
`15:14.59`	`StevenR`	`sredna: yes i am a native english speaker, I'd agree with Sho_ , depending on the context`
`15:15.06`	`Servo888`	`I'm running a xinerama setup, with two desktops. My primary monitor works fine, but the fonts on the secondary one (a bit smaller resolution) has giant fonts, and giant window borders.`
`15:15.07`	`sredna`	`StevenR: A checkbox label, if checked a print page will have the orientation set to match that of an image ot print`
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`15:15.40`	`StevenR`	`sredna: Auto-rotate page`
`15:15.52`	`sredna`	`StevenR, Sho_ : Thanks both of you :)`
`15:19.20`	`Andur`	`I really like the "glow" windeco`
`15:19.42`	`Andur`	`Minimize glows green, max glows yellow, and close glows red on mouseover`
`15:19.43`	`Sho_`	`Andur: screenshot?`
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`15:20.00`	`Andur`	`it's an animation`
`15:20.11`	`StevenR`	`Sho_: it's a standard kde windeco`
`15:20.39`	`kommerck`	`along with the same qt theme + composite stuff`
`15:21.25`	`Andur`	`renderaccel makes konqueror+plugins randomly freeze the whole system for me`
`15:21.32`	`Andur`	`using xorg 6.0+nvidia`
`15:21.36`	`Andur`	`*6.9`
`15:21.49`	`kommerck`	`maybe an nvidia driver bug`
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`15:22.12`	`kommerck`	`try turning off font antialiasing too... will look a bit ugly but it may help to locate the bug`
`15:22.22`	`Andur`	`I heard that the same driver with 7.0rc3 works ok with renderaccel+xcomposite`
`15:22.31`	`Benvolio`	`Does anyone know how to activate the kmail spellcheck mechanism?`
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`15:23.14`	`Sho_`	`StevenR: Indeed ... never saw it before :-)`
`15:23.25`	`Andur`	`glow windeco with glass_huge buttons, try it`
`15:24.05`	`Sho_`	`the gradient selection is nice, too`
`15:24.24`	`Andur`	`I now have lots of screen realspace wasted, but hey, my desktop is 1280 pix`
`15:24.46`	`Andur`	`I also added a superkaramba taskbar`
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`15:25.58`	`Andur`	`GlassTaskBar`
`15:26.33`	`Andur`	`cpu usage history, network in/out and clock, beautiful too`
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`15:27.29`	`Andur`	`I wish more people used khotnewstuff`
`15:27.54`	`kommerck`	`superkaramba is nice, but if I use it my CPU usage is 7-20% when idling`
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`15:28.16`	`Andur`	`what do you have to do as a developer to have your theme/applet/whatever appear on khotnewstuff?`
`15:28.24`	`Sho_`	`kommerck: certainly depends on the theme`
`15:28.24`	`lgsobalvarro`	`i dont like this things Andur kommerck :-p`
`15:28.30`	`Sho_`	`Andur: afaik it goes through kde-look`
`15:28.58`	`Andur`	`superkaramba with only glasstaskbar loaded uses 1% cpu`
`15:29.02`	`Andur`	`I can live with that`
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`15:29.33`	`Andur`	`I'd like to autorenice the process to 10, though`
`15:29.37`	`Andur`	`is that possible?`
`15:29.54`	`Andur`	`for that matter, I think it's dumb that by default all apps launch with nice 0`
`15:30.03`	`kommerck`	`gonna download it when I have a decent connection (on Monday or so)`
`15:30.08`	`Andur`	`as a user, I can't give more priority to them, only LESS`
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`15:30.26`	`Andur`	`can you control the default nice?`
`15:30.28`	`kommerck`	`Andur: on freebsd it's totally different, but I don't know exactly how`
`15:30.41`	`Andur`	`a default of 5 would be better IMO`
`15:31.04`	`Andur`	`although I don't know if the scheduler and such is tuned for the "everything nice 0" situation`
`15:31.42`	`kommerck`	`btw does anyone know why does knemo disappeared in systray when I upgraded to 3.5... kdm complained about nonexisting kdm.preload on boot`
`15:32.00`	`Khaytsus`	`Anyone know how to disable the automount from KDE? Every time I turn on my removable drive (which is also a card reader) it mounts it and I don't want it to.`
`15:32.01`	`Andur`	`what I can do is run a script that updates every 5 seconds and renices every process owned by me with nice=0 to nice=5`
`15:32.05`	`Andur`	`but that's ugly`
`15:33.05`	`Sho_`	`Khaytsus: KControl -> Peripherals -> Storage Media`
`15:33.44`	`Khaytsus`	`Been there.`
`15:33.53`	`Khaytsus`	`Nothing except changing the options.`
`15:34.01`	`kommerck`	`seems that I'll have to logout and login every time after reboot :(`
`15:34.01`	`Khaytsus`	`Not the fact that now it automounts when it didn't originally.`
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`15:34.23`	`Khaytsus`	`At first it asked me if I wanted to do those things.. I cliked "don't ask me again" and "do nothing" and now it automounts them every time.`
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`15:35.24`	`Khaytsus`	`Oh wait maybe that's it, I didn't change the type`
`15:35.35`	`kommerck`	`<3 hal ;)`
`15:36.55`	`Khaytsus`	`Sho_: Okay so I went to "unmounted removable medium" and turned off "auto action" and it still mounts and shows it in konq.`
`15:37.22`	`Khaytsus`	`Trying "do nothing" auto action but it still shows it.`
`15:37.25`	`Sho_`	`Khaytsus: What's the problem with that, anyway?`
`15:37.29`	`Andur`	`the automount thing is probably done with hal-autofs`
`15:37.32`	`Khaytsus`	`I don't want it mounting it!`
`15:37.35`	`Andur`	`not a kde configurable thing`
`15:37.39`	`Khaytsus`	`And no, it's KDE doing it`
`15:37.40`	`Sho_`	`Khaytsus: Why not?`
`15:37.47`	`Khaytsus`	`I simply don't want it mounting it.`
`15:38.01`	`Andur`	`he just doesn't want to, it's his computer after all :-)`
`15:38.03`	`Sho_`	`Khaytsus: Well, the code is open, obviously`
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`15:38.10`	`Khaytsus`	`It did NOT DO THIS AT FIRST!`
`15:38.20`	`Khaytsus`	`I clicked "do not show this again" and it's automounted it ever since.`
`15:38.25`	`Khaytsus`	`There must be a way to change that somewhere.`
`15:38.32`	`Andur`	`check if it automounts it without KDE first`
`15:38.36`	`Khaytsus`	`It doesn't.`
`15:39.04`	`Andur`	`I have the opposite problem, it doesn't automount for me :-)`
`15:39.07`	`Khaytsus`	`It never has.. KDE offered the options when I turned it on.. so I got tired of clicking "do nothing" so I hit "do not show this again" and do nothing.`
`15:39.29`	`Sho_`	`Khaytsus: The actions are seperate from mounting`
`15:39.35`	`Khaytsus`	`Like I said, it's a usb hard drive and a card reader. When I turn it on to download a card I don't want to mount the hard drive.`
`15:39.45`	`Sho_`	`The actions come into play after auto-mounting`
`15:39.51`	`Khaytsus`	`No`
`15:39.52`	`Andur`	`it has to mount them before it knows what kind of files are on the device, to take further action`
`15:40.06`	`Khaytsus`	`At first it did not mount it.. it asked if I wanted to mount and show the drive, or do nothing.`
`15:40.13`	`Khaytsus`	`Clicking do nothing did not mount the drive.`
`15:40.17`	`Khaytsus`	`And it was not mounted with this window open either.`
`15:40.21`	`Khaytsus`	`It never mounted it automatically before`
`15:40.30`	`Andur`	`I would submit a bug`
`15:40.32`	`Khaytsus`	`Seriously, please listen to what I'm saying, I'm not an idiot.`
`15:40.38`	`Andur`	`it's not a feature in my eyes`
`15:41.00`	`Khaytsus`	`Yeah I think it's a bug too, I was just hoping someone might say "oh that's in this or that file" or somewhere I hadn't seen yet to change it`
`15:41.43`	`\|boot\|`	`so, nobody knows about my problem?`
`15:41.51`	`Khaytsus`	`Okay wth.. I re-launched kcontrol and it was set to "open in new window (auto)" again. I changd it back to do nothing (auto) and it doesn't mount now.`
`15:41.55`	`Khaytsus`	`Yay!`
`15:41.56`	`Andur`	`Khaytsus, I'm grepping the config files for "mount"`
`15:42.01`	`Andur`	`you tried that before?`
`15:42.07`	`Khaytsus`	`Yeah I grepped a bunch :-/`
`15:42.14`	`Khaytsus`	`Mostly in ~/.kde`
`15:42.28`	`Andur`	`so, submit a bug report`
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`15:42.36`	`Khaytsus`	`But that seems to have worked.. Perh->Storage Media, Type: Unmounted Removable Medium. Do NOthing (set as auto)`
`15:42.43`	`Andur`	`checking "do nothing" does a different thing than selecting it in kcontrol`
`15:42.46`	`Khaytsus`	`But it didn't stick the first time it seems..`
`15:42.55`	`Andur`	`that's a bug IMO`
`15:43.02`	`Andur`	`should do the same thing`
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`15:43.14`	`Khaytsus`	`Oh yeah, definately... if I click "do not show this again" and "do nothing" it should do nothing forever`
`15:43.31`	`kommerck`	`any german KDE translators here?`
`15:44.05`	`Andur`	`config/kdfrc file seems to list mountable devices`
`15:45.13`	`Khaytsus`	`I don't see a kdfrc anywhere`
`15:45.31`	`Khaytsus`	`Hmm, I wonder what application this would be.. hmm`
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`15:46.03`	`Khaytsus`	`Konq I guess`
`15:46.18`	`Andur`	`mine is in ~/.kde/config`
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`15:46.24`	`Andur`	`grepping with kfind`
`15:46.28`	`Andur`	`for "mount"`
`15:46.49`	`Andur`	`kde file rc I guess`
`15:47.00`	`Andur`	`yep, prolly the file KPart`
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`15:47.45`	`Andur`	`I found something useful here... there's a kind of bug with Klik`
`15:47.52`	`Khaytsus`	`eep, kded crashed.. heh`
`15:47.58`	`Andur`	`Klik enables a pseudo-fs on /tmp`
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`15:48.29`	`Andur`	`when you list mountable devices on the desktop, and install a klik app, it litters your desktop with mountable icons`
`15:48.30`	`Khaytsus`	`Second bug.. heh`
`15:48.46`	`Khaytsus`	`Andur: I bet it turns on all the "show media" kinda stuff that's somewhere in the desktop config`
`15:49.00`	`Andur`	`and you can't disable them through the GUI, because the dialog does not list tmpfs`
`15:49.01`	`Khaytsus`	`Every time I turn off "auto action" on "do nothing" kded crashes.`
`15:49.14`	`Andur`	`I guess you can disable them with said kdfrc file, or kdesktoprc`
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`15:49.36`	`Andur`	`no, it doesn't turn it on`
`15:49.53`	`Andur`	`it stays the same way, but there's an "ignore list"`
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`15:50.02`	`Andur`	`it doesn't show devices of certain types`
`15:50.14`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`so, what's the favourite font for konsole?`
`15:50.14`	`Andur`	`but as tmpfs isn't on the blacklist, it shows them anyway`
`15:50.23`	`Andur`	`a monospaced one`
`15:50.29`	`Andur`	`bitsream vera sans mono?`
`15:50.47`	`Andur`	`that's my default monospaced font everywhere`
`15:50.49`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`',' and '.' seem a bit similar on that font`
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`15:51.32`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`the one called "monospace" is ugly, but the characters seem differentiable`
`15:51.41`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`'l' and '1' especially`
`15:51.46`	`Andur`	`I have LOTS of fonts installed... the kde font browser could be better for large font installations`
`15:52.01`	`Andur`	`for example, it could apply metadata, do font groups etc`
`15:52.08`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`ooh, good idea :)`
`15:52.22`	`Andur`	`an endless list of fonts that takes ages to "preview" is not very useful`
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`15:53.03`	`Andur`	`the day Korundum reaches a stable status and I can code apps for KDE in Ruby, will be the day I'll start contributing`
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`15:53.14`	`Andur`	`I'm too lazy for anything but simple scripting :-)`
`15:53.16`	`Sho_`	`Andur: Yup, I've been longing for a type manager mysefl`
`15:53.19`	`Sho_`	`*myself`
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`15:53.25`	`Andur`	`I have loads of feature requests though :-)`
`15:53.27`	`rootnoverify`	`hi all:)`
`15:53.30`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`hehe`
`15:53.33`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`rohello`
`15:53.41`	`rootnoverify`	`is there somekinda shortcuts file?`
`15:53.52`	`Andur`	`.desktop files are`
`15:54.04`	`Andur`	`not sure what you really mean`
`15:54.25`	`Andur`	`does the KDE Team really want feature requests at this stage?`
`15:54.28`	`Sho_`	`rootnoverify: "shortcuts" is ambiguous`
`15:54.41`	`rootnoverify`	`some file you can edit to for example add a few shortcuts to execute commands in a shell`
`15:54.44`	`thiago`	`Andur: for KDE 4`
`15:54.55`	`Andur`	`I can submit them already?`
`15:54.57`	`Sho_`	`rootnoverify: "shortcuts" is ambiguous`
`15:55.01`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`Andur: tried lucida console? seems prettyish here`
`15:55.13`	`Andur`	`is that a "free" font?`
`15:55.26`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`Andur: it's in my list ?`
`15:55.36`	`thiago`	`Andur: yes, you can submit them.`
`15:55.39`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`Andur: I only have fonts from freebsd's ports collection`
`15:55.45`	`Sho_`	`My favorite console font is Terminus`
`15:56.22`	`benJIman`	`rootnoverify: you can just symlink the commands, or create scripts to run them`
`15:56.37`	`Andur`	`I have to become root to see my installed fonts... ugly :-/`
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`15:56.42`	`Andur`	`(from kcontrol)`
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`15:57.10`	`Andur`	`rootnoverify, I would create aliases on bashrc`
`15:57.10`	`thiago`	`Andur: as non-root, you see the non-root fonts`
`15:57.17`	`thiago`	`you're allowed to install fonts without being root`
`15:57.18`	`Andur`	`yes, only 1 in my case`
`15:57.27`	`benJIman`	`Andur: what's wrong with fonts:/`
`15:57.28`	`Andur`	`I just want to SEE the system-wide fonts`
`15:57.34`	`benJIman`	`Andur: that lets you see them`
`15:57.44`	`benJIman`	`fonts:/System`
`15:57.55`	`Andur`	`yes, I know that`
`15:58.04`	`Andur`	`I was whining about kcontrl`
`15:58.05`	`benJIman`	`you can also install them`
`15:58.15`	`Andur`	`you can only view them via the fonts installer`
`15:58.24`	`Andur`	`677 fonts here`
`15:58.32`	`Andur`	`seems I deleted some`
`15:58.35`	`thiago`	`Andur: get rid of some 630 of them`
`15:58.49`	`benJIman`	`adobe courier is a nice font for konsole renders well with bytecode interpreter btw`
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`15:59.03`	`GNAM`	`is there a kde roadmap?`
`15:59.06`	`benJIman`	`lots of fonts slows down things a lot because fontconfig sucks`
`15:59.23`	`thiago`	`GNAM: not yet`
`15:59.25`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`I've heard that`
`15:59.35`	`Andur`	`wait, my cpu is at 100% previewing the font list`
`15:59.47`	`benJIman`	`Andur: hardly surprising`
`15:59.53`	`benJIman`	`if you have 650 fonts`
`15:59.55`	`Andur`	`(that's what I was talking about, finding a particular font right now is cumbersome)`
`16:00.10`	`benJIman`	`well you can start typing the name`
`16:00.27`	`Andur`	`well, the premise is "you don't know the name"`
`16:00.31`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`I think they should fix fontconfig ... poor performance on having lots of fonts seems a reason to fix the tools rather than deinstall all the fonts :p`
`16:00.34`	`rootnoverify`	`Andur: but I want to be able to execute the command from anywhere, so without going to a shell everytime a want to execute it..`
`16:00.38`	`Andur`	`if you do, you don't need a font organizer :-)`
`16:00.40`	`benJIman`	`Andur: no OS has a good way round that problem`
`16:00.52`	`Andur`	`bashrc aliases don't do that?`
`16:00.56`	`rootnoverify`	`ow`
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`16:01.00`	`benJIman`	`Andur: finding a font that you just know what it looks like isn't easy, there are afew ways you can categories like serif and sans but not many`
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`16:01.19`	`Andur`	`well, easy then: just put a bash script on /usr/bin`
`16:01.21`	`sam^`	`fd`
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`16:01.24`	`benJIman`	`Andur: and filtering is easy enough by name, fonts:/System/bitstream for example`
`16:01.26`	`Sho_`	`rootnoverify: Could you please have a go at better defining what you mean by "shortcut"`
`16:01.28`	`Andur`	`there you have it, system-wide shortcut`
`16:01.56`	`benJIman`	`or just a symlink`
`16:02.00`	`benJIman`	`or alias`
`16:02.07`	`Sho_`	`he probably means keyboard shortcut`
`16:02.16`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`monospace, serif, and sans would actually save a lot of time`
`16:02.16`	`benJIman`	`ah in that case can use khotkeys`
`16:02.24`	`Andur`	`no OS has a good way round that problem <- well, KDE could be the first one then, no problem with innovation`
`16:02.34`	`benJIman`	`fonts:/System/sans will get any with sans in the name which is a lot`
`16:02.35`	`thiago`	`Andur: sure`
`16:02.37`	`Andur`	`you could just have a "favorite fonts" tag`
`16:02.42`	`Andur`	`simple groupos`
`16:02.45`	`thiago`	`Andur: please submit your ideas to the mailing lists`
`16:02.54`	`Andur`	`"ANYTHING" would be better than the current flat list`
`16:02.57`	`Sho_`	`benJIman: You're not a graphic designer, right? :)`
`16:02.57`	`thiago`	`code helps more, though`
`16:03.03`	`benJIman`	`Andur: wel without mind recognition I don't think there is a good solution`
`16:03.24`	`Andur`	`that's what I was saying before, maybe the kde devs don't really appreciate feature requests with no code attached`
`16:03.27`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`Andur: gmail-type tags :)`
`16:03.42`	`benJIman`	`Sho_: my dad is, and I sometimes do jobs for him, require lots of fonts then, have a couple of thousand good quality fonts but don't keep them installed for general use`
`16:03.53`	`Andur`	`yes, Aji-Dahaka`
`16:03.55`	`Andur`	`BRB`
`16:03.57`	`Sho_`	`benJIman: Both Windows and OS X have decent font management solutions available. A type manager allows you to organize fonts into groups, load and unload groups easily, tag them, probably add notes, and has flexible, customizable preview options.`
`16:04.02`	`Khaytsus`	`Boogs logged.`
`16:04.06`	`Sho_`	`benJIman: Sadly, something like that is still missing on Linux`
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`16:04.58`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`Andur: I may agree with your "feature requests w/o code" thing ... the amarok guys seem to shout me down pretty quickly on my ideas, though I'm usually willing to do the coding before they reject the idea so harshly ... I wonder if the other presentation order would work better`
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`16:05.38`	`rootnoverify`	`Sho_: a keyboard shortcut. for example: everytime i press ctrl-alt-f, I would like to get /opt/firefox/firefox executed (just an example)`
`16:05.44`	`Khaytsus`	`I can't seem to like amarok.. It's too busy.`
`16:06.13`	`Andur`	`be back later`
`16:06.15`	`thiago`	`rootnoverify: khotkeys`
`16:06.16`	`benJIman`	`Sho_: iirc bitstream used to have something, back in the days of corel products on linux`
`16:06.27`	`Sho_`	`rootnoverify: KControl -> Regional & Accessbility -> Keyboard Shortcuts allows you to set up things like that`
`16:06.37`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`Khaytsus: I like it, but I'm using mpd + icecast for my music as I don't want it all on my laptop, but want to listen to it all, but they seemed pretty against the idea of incorporating mpd control into it`
`16:06.42`	`Sho_`	`Khaytsus: Try JuK, then`
`16:06.49`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`Khaytsus: so to me, it's an ogg stream player with nice graphics`
`16:06.49`	`lippel_`	`heh. go to flickr.com, and look at tag "geek".`
`16:07.30`	`Sho_`	`lippel: Flickr is down, it seems`
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`16:08.30`	`aep`	`i realy need some help making a kwin design. i dont understand a word`
`16:08.48`	`lippel_`	`Sho_: indeed.`
`16:09.00`	`annma`	`a kwin design?`
`16:09.00`	`aep`	`i do not know qt so the howto confuses me even more`
`16:09.06`	`Sho_`	`lippel: you broke it! :)`
`16:09.07`	`lippel_`	`Sho_: the first pic tagged with "geek" is by cannlaith`
`16:09.10`	`aep`	`window decoration`
`16:09.10`	`annma`	`define 'design'`
`16:09.14`	`Khaytsus`	`I've always just used xmms.. I don't want lyrics or album covers and such though`
`16:09.19`	`Khaytsus`	`Don't care about favorites etc`
`16:09.30`	`aep`	`annma, just a window decoration`
`16:09.43`	`Sho_`	`aep: Try http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=28848`
`16:09.50`	`Khaytsus`	`So nothing against amarok, just not for me`
`16:09.57`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`does anyone know of a theme with resizable scrollbars?`
`16:10.08`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`it's a feature that I (sadly) miss from windows`
`16:10.12`	`Sho_`	`Aji-Dahaka: Lipstik has three scrollbar sizes`
`16:10.18`	`aep`	`Sho_, dows it do clean code?`
`16:10.24`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`Sho_: ah, thanks :)`
`16:10.29`	`Khaytsus`	`Scrollbar widths?`
`16:10.36`	`Sho_`	`aep: No idea, sorry :)`
`16:10.50`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`Khaytsus: yeah, scrollbars ... they should have settable sizes`
`16:11.00`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`Khaytsus: for accessibility and what-nots`
`16:11.11`	`Khaytsus`	`Width or length? (`
`16:11.15`	`Sho_`	`Lipstik is basically Plastik with more options`
`16:11.23`	`Sho_`	`Khaytsus: Width`
`16:11.29`	`Khaytsus`	`k, that's what I thought`
`16:11.36`	`Khaytsus`	`I still use Mosfet liquid :D`
`16:11.36`	`aep`	`annma, i need clean code maybe you can give me a good howto , or help me a bit coding it`
`16:11.46`	`Khaytsus`	`I'm soo glad it still worked in 3.5.0`
`16:11.52`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`Khaytsus: and height for horizontal scrollbars`
`16:11.54`	`annma`	`aep: for kde 3.5?`
`16:11.55`	`Khaytsus`	`Took quite a challenge to get it to compile last time`
`16:12.42`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`oh, I don't have lipstick installed`
`16:12.48`	`aep`	`annma, yes /but i have 3.4 atm)`
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`16:13.11`	`Khaytsus`	`Aji-Dahaka: It's on kde-look`
`16:13.17`	`annma`	`aep: and why do you want to do a win deco if you don't know anything about it?`
`16:13.31`	`Sho_`	`Aji-Dahaka: "Lipstik", btw`
`16:13.55`	`Sho_`	`annma: Because someone who wants to make a window decoration does not necessarily realize it needs coding`
`16:13.58`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`Khaytsus: and in ports`
`16:14.02`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`Sho_: indeed it was :)`
`16:14.32`	`aep`	`annma, couse there is now one who does it else atm. whe are making a distri, and we need a xp-stylish decoration for it`
`16:15.10`	`aep`	`annma, couse we completly will port the look and feel of xp to it`
`16:15.39`	`annma`	`beurk`
`16:15.39`	`aep`	`and kde 3.5 seems the best canditade for me since 3.5 supports automount`
`16:15.50`	`annma`	`but you don't even have 3.5`
`16:16.00`	`aep`	`not on my desktop`
`16:16.08`	`aep`	`it takes 2 days to compile it :/`
`16:16.32`	`Sho_`	`If you're a Gentoo user, you will have made annmas day`
`16:17.02`	`aep`	`;-)`
`16:17.42`	`aep`	`i know its an endless battle, to fake xp or not. but here in germany its nessasery since the educational stuff is xp, and people wont migrate if ther is not the exactly same gui`
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`16:18.14`	`aep`	`i see`
`16:19.00`	`Sho_`	`aep: Why don't you use the existing XP clone DE?`
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`16:19.49`	`aep`	`Sho_, couse i only know bad ones`
`16:19.53`	`Sho_`	`aep: http://www.xpde.com/`
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`16:20.04`	`Sho_`	`aep: But then the idea itself is bad, so it deserves a bad DE ;-)`
`16:20.40`	`aep`	`Sho_, xpde is dead`
`16:20.51`	`aep`	`and writen in kylix, and kylix sucks`
`16:21.20`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`this might be a silly question, but why does kde, by default, have the most recently used applications farthest from the menubase and the log-out closest to it?`
`16:21.34`	`benJIman`	`delphi was a great langauge, but kylix is dead`
`16:22.01`	`aep`	`i dont like delphi too, sice i realy hate pascal`
`16:22.17`	`benJIman`	`Aji-Dahaka: depends which side you have the panel on, if you have panel at top the recent apps are closest to tmenu`
`16:22.51`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`benJIman: right, that's why I tossed "by default" into the question`
`16:23.03`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`seems a funny default`
`16:23.18`	`benJIman`	`Aji-Dahaka: probably the same reason the quit option is right next to the mouse when you right click on icons in the tray, leading to accidental quittage`
`16:23.34`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`benJIman: so what is that reason ?`
`16:23.45`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`I know I've had that problem MANY times and it rather bothers me`
`16:23.47`	`benJIman`	`delphi was as easy to use as visual basic and perhaps powefull as c++ but non-free compiler`
`16:24.36`	`benJIman`	`freepascal nowhere near as good last time I used it`
`16:25.04`	`benJIman`	`aep: object pascal not quite the same as normal pascal`
`16:26.20`	`aep`	`benJIman, i know, its just about the way it is used,.. licenses, and stuff. i dont like borland realy. expecialy for there bcb`
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`16:27.06`	`benJIman`	`yeah, but delphi is nice langauge, perhaps it would have taken off more with a free compiler`
`16:27.20`	`aep`	`maybe`
`16:28.11`	`aep`	`so nobody wants to help as i see, can you maybe give me a starting guide to qt or something? the developer.kde.org stuff isnt realy easy`
`16:28.37`	`benJIman`	`aep: have a look at codeskipper.com`
`16:28.40`	`benJIman`	`*gone`
`16:28.52`	`annma`	`a starting guide to qt are qt tutorials`
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`16:29.10`	`annma`	`in the doc shipped with qt`
`16:29.12`	`aep`	`benJIman, thx`
`16:29.32`	`annma`	`and the easiest is to start with an existng code`
`16:29.43`	`annma`	`what distrois it/`
`16:30.15`	`aep`	`annma, yeah an _existing_ code would be nice, if ther where one usefull`
`16:30.26`	`annma`	`howcome?`
`16:30.43`	`annma`	`the current win decos available don't work?`
`16:32.01`	`aep`	`yes but it is so complex that a noob like me cannot understand it`
`16:32.39`	`aep`	`im comming from gtk ( i know its another point you'll hate me for) and qt seems to have a totaly different concept`
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`16:32.52`	`annma`	`I don't care about gtk`
`16:33.00`	`annma`	`and I don't hate`
`16:33.23`	`annma`	`of course qt is different as it's C++ based and it has SIGNALS/SLOTS`
`16:34.06`	`aep`	`thats not the problem. realy dificult for me is the widget positionating`
`16:34.12`	`aep`	`gtk has boxes and tables`
`16:34.20`	`thiago`	`Qt has boxes and layouts`
`16:34.37`	`aep`	`and the example code isnt explaint at this point`
`16:34.53`	`annma`	`layouts are easy`
`16:35.14`	`aep`	`e.g. i need to set the buttons more to the middle, but the example seems to have no code thta sets the position`
`16:35.31`	`aep`	`for me they are just "there"`
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`16:35.48`	`thiago`	`use the designer`
`16:35.58`	`thiago`	`btw, #kde-devel would be better suited for this discussion`
`16:36.12`	`aep`	`thiago, will not work if ther is no .ui`
`16:36.27`	`aep`	`ok`
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`16:40.28`	`VisezTrance`	`i upgraded to kde 3.5, however the startmenu graphic is corrupted, how can i remove the kde 3.5 banner on the left, so that i looks like in the previous version.. ? here's a screenshot on my problem -> http://home22051.ast.buzau.ro/daniel_/graphic.jpg`
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`16:41.42`	`annma`	`VisezTrance: KCOntrol -> Desktop -> Panels -> Menus tab`
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`16:41.52`	`aep`	`does anyone know how the example works and could give me a short introduction?`
`16:41.55`	`annma`	`Uncheck Show Side Image`
`16:42.12`	`annma`	`VisezTrance: ^^`
`16:42.14`	`VisezTrance`	`Kcontrol, you.. Control Center ?`
`16:42.19`	`annma`	`yes`
`16:42.24`	`VisezTrance`	`oky`
`16:42.50`	`thiago`	`VisezTrance: kside.png`
`16:42.54`	`VisezTrance`	`yey, it works`
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`16:43.13`	`VisezTrance`	`i liked it more this way anyway ... simple`
`16:43.45`	`VisezTrance`	`bye and have a nice day`
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`16:44.25`	`dec0ding`	`why the antispam is not working in KMail ?`
`16:44.36`	`annma`	`dec0ding: which one?`
`16:44.38`	`thiago`	`dec0ding: it is working`
`16:44.52`	`annma`	`spamassassin is working here`
`16:44.58`	`dec0ding`	`annma, thiago GMX Spam filter`
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`16:45.58`	`annma`	`dec0ding: does kmail support it?`
`16:46.07`	`dec0ding`	`annma, yes it is listed in the wizard`
`16:46.28`	`annma`	`maybe ask in #kontact then`
`16:46.28`	`thiago`	`dec0ding: ah, I don't use that one`
`16:46.40`	`dec0ding`	`so will try with spamassassin`
`16:46.51`	`aep`	`annma, poritng winxp to gentoo`
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`16:47.24`	`annma`	`but I thought a xp-like theme already exists`
`16:47.34`	`Sho_`	`it does`
`16:47.38`	`annma`	`there's a great gentoo guy around`
`16:47.43`	`aep`	`annma, no theres a wm but its dead`
`16:47.47`	`annma`	`cpw is his nick`
`16:47.54`	`dec0ding`	`aep, theme for Kde?`
`16:47.58`	`dec0ding`	`xp-ish ?`
`16:47.59`	`aep`	`dec0ding, yeah`
`16:48.03`	`annma`	`aep: ask cpw when you see him, he is a gentoo devel`
`16:48.08`	`dec0ding`	`there are on kde-look.org`
`16:48.11`	`aep`	`annma, for what?`
`16:48.14`	`dec0ding`	`it looks just like xp`
`16:48.15`	`annma`	`aep: for help!`
`16:48.16`	`aep`	`dec0ding, they are bad`
`16:48.24`	`dec0ding`	`aep, why would u like one ?`
`16:48.27`	`annma`	`aep: he is kde-oriented + gentoo`
`16:48.29`	`dec0ding`	`if u need xp style use xp`
`16:48.35`	`aep`	`annma, thx`
`16:48.40`	`Sho_`	`dec0ding: You realize you can't just steal the MS pixmaps?`
`16:48.45`	`annma`	`I mean obviously you need someone who knows qt`
`16:48.50`	`dec0ding`	`Sho_, eeh?`
`16:48.57`	`Sho_`	`err`
`16:49.01`	`Sho_`	`aep, I mean`
`16:49.03`	`aep`	`annma, yes. thx for the tip`
`16:49.04`	`annma`	`dec0ding: make sure the spamassassin doaemon is running`
`16:49.04`	`dec0ding`	`:)`
`16:49.07`	`dec0ding`	`ahm`
`16:49.16`	`aep`	`Sho_, the problem is alreaydy solved`
`16:49.40`	`Sho_`	`aep: It is? :)`
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`16:50.37`	`aep`	`Sho_, for germany we know how to avoid these licenses`
`16:51.05`	`Sho_`	`aep: Interesting, I'm German and I was unaware you can go around stealing people's pixmaps`
`16:51.06`	`annma`	`so it's a gentoo package for germans only?`
`16:51.31`	`annma`	`;)`
`16:51.38`	`annma`	`underground!`
`16:51.45`	`aep`	`annma, since there are only germans interested yes, but i would like it to have it in other languages`
`16:52.00`	`bssteph`	`lol, yes, the underground german pixmap black market`
`16:52.03`	`annma`	`;)`
`16:52.17`	`annma`	`seems a lot of bother for not much`
`16:52.21`	`aep`	`Sho_, its half legal`
`16:52.45`	`aep`	`Sho_, if the user has a valid xp cd its legal...... we know he doesnt`
`16:52.48`	`annma`	`aep: I'll talk with cpw when I see him, are you a known gentoo devel?`
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`16:53.25`	`aep`	`annma, thank you for that, no i think in international gentoo-devs im realy unknown`
`16:53.36`	`annma`	`aep: so only german gentoo?`
`16:53.49`	`annma`	`I mean, where can you be found usually?`
`16:54.01`	`aep`	`sadly yes`
`16:54.12`	`aep`	`jabber?`
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`16:54.26`	`annma`	`jabber, ok`
`16:54.44`	`annma`	`you did not try to contact any xp-like win deco authors?`
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`16:55.26`	`annma`	`as gentoo just need source, I would give it a try`
`16:55.31`	`aep`	`no since there decos where suse or redhat orientated and mostly realy bad writen`
`16:55.39`	`annma`	`browse kde-look and contact a few people`
`16:55.48`	`aep`	`yes`
`16:57.03`	`annma`	`my win xp PC is broken at the moment so I can be pissed of by any win xp reference`
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`16:58.16`	`aep`	`:)`
`16:59.09`	`aep`	`there was a kde_xp style a few weeks ago, but its gone. the only i can find is a icewm mod`
`17:01.00`	`mmarshall`	`In the keyboard layout section of the control center, I see that you can select a keyboard model. Where are these models defined? (I want to add mine.)`
`17:01.58`	`annma`	`keyboard layouts or keyboard models?`
`17:02.06`	`annma`	`lyouts are about languages and come from X`
`17:02.08`	`mmarshall`	`Keyboard models.`
`17:02.12`	`annma`	`mdels I am not sure`
`17:02.22`	`annma`	`I have to gio unfortunately`
`17:02.24`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`yeah, they are part of some X header, iirc`
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`17:03.02`	`mmarshall`	`I want my multimedia buttons to show up with the right names :)`
`17:03.15`	`mmarshall`	`I could use Lineak or something, but I would rather just use KDE.`
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`17:08.07`	`Zalamander`	`I have one computer that has been suffering regular, severe filesystem damage. One of the things that seems to be running on that computer and not on my others is "kdesud". What might be starting this daemon?`
`17:08.33`	`Zalamander`	`I'm not blaming kdesud necessarily, but i need to track down the differences`
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`17:11.24`	`thiago`	`Zalamander: kdesu starts kdesud`
`17:11.53`	`Zalamander`	`ok, that makes sense. I can't imagine that my wife is using kdesu on her own though. Hmm`
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`17:13.01`	`thiago`	`some kcontrol modules may run kdesu, when you click Administrator Mode`
`17:14.20`	`Zalamander`	`allright, I'll poke around, and ask her if she's been doing any "administrating". I don't suppose recent versions of kdesu are known to cause filesystem damage ...`
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`17:17.53`	`chakie`	`anyone had problems with qdvdauthor?`
`17:18.35`	`chakie`	`all apps it tries to run for building the dvd are always /usr/bin/kdesu, not for instance jpg2yuv, lame or similar`
`17:19.19`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`chakie, why don't you take k3b ?`
`17:19.35`	`chakie`	`tstaerk\|KDE4: can it create menus & stuff?`
`17:20.13`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`chakie, DVD menus - I see - maybe not.`
`17:20.43`	`chakie`	`tstaerk\|KDE4: once we get a dvd structure i guess k3b will be used to do the real burning`
`17:21.04`	`chakie`	`i have't seen any other app that can create the dvd interactive stuff`
`17:21.53`	`frb`	`is there a kde ftp client that isn't busted up like kbear?`
`17:22.10`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`konqueror :-)`
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`17:24.53`	`fpitt_`	`Ciao`
`17:26.20`	`ficoos`	`hi, whenever i use a non english keyboard layout all of my shortcuts don't work. this is obviously becouase the layout does'nt have the english letters which the shotcuts i assigned to. is there a way to make shotcuts work on a constant layout`
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`17:28.09`	`lied`	`hello`
`17:28.29`	`lied`	`can someone help mit with superkaramba? (kde3.5, gentoo)`
`17:28.43`	`lied`	`i want to display my network in mb/s`
`17:28.55`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`multiply?`
`17:29.00`	`lied`	`can someon tell mit the right parameter`
`17:29.08`	`lied`	`text x=80 y=380 sensor=network device="eth0" format="%out kB/s" interval=1000 decimals=2`
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`17:32.35`	`Andur`	`re all`
`17:32.55`	`Andur`	`kopete can't resolve messenger.hotmail.com , can someone give me the IP address?`
`17:33.29`	`frb`	`Andur: it resolved it for me, fix your dns settings`
`17:33.43`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`Andur, better enter a good dns into /etc/resolv.conf`
`17:33.55`	`Andur`	`btw, something weird happened to my xorg.conf, when I open it with kwrite it says it's a binary file!`
`17:34.06`	`Andur`	`I normally edit it with nano`
`17:34.07`	`frb`	`my dns is 192.168.0.1, you can use that :)`
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`17:34.23`	`Andur`	`last time I edited with kwrite, could it be a bug?`
`17:34.50`	`Andur`	`xorg.conf has weird symbols`
`17:35.00`	`Andur`	`and it's not a text file anymore`
`17:35.07`	`Andur`	`what's more, renderaccel es enabled again`
`17:35.09`	`Andur`	`:-/`
`17:35.40`	`Andur`	`okay, who's the kiddy that rooted me? ;-)`
`17:36.20`	`frb`	`can kinternet save different WEP keys for each ssid?`
`17:38.06`	`cpw`	`ann...`
`17:38.10`	`cpw`	`or not`
`17:38.33`	`Andur`	`does anyone know how could my xorg.conf turn into a binary file? xinit gives a "no screens found" error now`
`17:38.35`	`Andur`	`:-/`
`17:38.57`	`cpw`	`I'm not sure I understand the relationship of the two`
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`17:39.04`	`Andur`	`if it's a kwrite bug it's a serious one`
`17:39.16`	`cpw`	`how do you assume that "no screens found" means your xorg.conf is a binary file..`
`17:39.34`	`Andur`	`when I open xorg.conf with kate or kwrite, a dialog appears`
`17:39.39`	`Andur`	`"xorg.conf is a binary file"`
`17:40.00`	`Andur`	`file /etc/X11/xorg.conf`
`17:40.00`	`Andur`	`/etc/X11/xorg.conf: data`
`17:40.08`	`Andur`	`it IS binary`
`17:40.17`	`cpw`	`run ls -la on xorg.conf`
`17:40.31`	`Andur`	`weird whitespace symbols appear on xorg.conf, but the text is there`
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`17:40.58`	`Andur`	`-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8034 2005-12-17 16:59 /etc/X11/xorg.conf`
`17:41.07`	`cpw`	`looks normal there`
`17:41.11`	`Andur`	`weird, I DIDN'T edit it at 16:59`
`17:41.19`	`Andur`	`yes, but file says it's data`
`17:41.29`	`Andur`	`not text`
`17:41.38`	`Andur`	`so does kwrite and kate`
`17:41.42`	`cpw`	`how did you edit it last`
`17:41.48`	`Andur`	`with kwrite`
`17:41.51`	`straw`	`gremlins, i tell you. gremlins! ;)`
`17:42.18`	`Andur`	`well, joining freenode with an unsecured desktop could also be it :-)`
`17:42.22`	`cpw`	`only thing I can think of is character encoding`
`17:42.29`	`cpw`	`but...`
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`17:42.38`	`Andur`	`it should NEVER save it as data`
`17:42.38`	`cpw`	`that shouldn't do that sort of thing`
`17:42.57`	`Andur`	`okay, I'm gonna fix it`
`17:43.01`	`cpw`	`either that or your fs is saying hi`
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`17:43.16`	`Andur`	`I'm surprised I've got KDE running anyway, only thing is I can't start a 2nd session`
`17:43.18`	`straw`	`Andur: seems odd someone would gain access to you system and muck with your X config...`
`17:43.27`	`Andur`	`yes, weird :-)`
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`17:43.47`	`Andur`	`I already moved my /home to a new SATA drive`
`17:43.57`	`Andur`	`but / is on the old ata reiserfs`
`17:44.08`	`Andur`	`hmmm`
`17:44.22`	`Andur`	`maybe kcontrol when altering gamma settings?`
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`17:51.35`	`cpw`	`shareware solitare?`
`17:51.49`	`cpw`	`who in the world would go for that..`
`17:52.23`	`dec0ding`	`thiago, when I try to start spamd (the deamon of spamassassin) it shows lots of errors, http://paste.getlinuxhelp.org/1843 here u can see them`
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`17:55.41`	`Andur`	`are there any public DNS servers?`
`17:55.43`	`MrSunshine`	`how the heck do i make kde let me use whatever hz i want on my screen ?`
`17:55.46`	`Andur`	`I mean, not ISP ones`
`17:55.57`	`MrSunshine`	`i want 1152xwhatever at 75hz not 55 that is the only mode that hde lets me`
`17:56.00`	`MrSunshine`	`kde`
`17:56.00`	`Andur`	`MrSunshine, run krandrtray`
`17:56.12`	`Andur`	`oh, then you have to alter your xorg.conf`
`17:56.26`	`MrSunshine`	`it worked perfectly in my last installation`
`17:56.30`	`MrSunshine`	`its the same freakin file`
`17:56.34`	`MrSunshine`	`but then i used gnome insted`
`17:56.47`	`Andur`	`try another res, like 1280 or something`
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`17:57.02`	`MrSunshine`	`60`
`17:57.11`	`MrSunshine`	`everything is WAY below what this monitor can handle`
`17:57.21`	`Andur`	`refresh forcing on linux is a nightmare, I tell you`
`17:57.34`	`MrSunshine`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:57.36`	`MrSunshine`	`thats the line`
`17:57.43`	`MrSunshine`	`to make my monitor be nice to me`
`17:57.47`	`MrSunshine`	`or .. my old monitor :P`
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`17:57.59`	`MrSunshine`	`Andur, the gnome display settings could do it just fine`
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`17:58.31`	`nick01`	`what version of qt should I install with kde 3.5 ?`
`17:58.48`	`straw`	`3.3.5`
`17:58.55`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`Andur, try nameserver 217.237.150.141`
`17:59.04`	`nick01`	`where do I find a slackware package of it ?`
`17:59.20`	`straw`	`ask in #slackware`
`17:59.21`	`Andur`	`linuxpackages.net ?`
`17:59.24`	`nick01`	`k`
`17:59.51`	`Andur`	`that DNS seems owned by Deutsche Telekom, tstaerk\|KDE4`
`18:00.08`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`Andur, but it fixes your problem, doesn't it ?`
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`18:01.20`	`Andur`	`no, it was a hones question: are there any PUBLIC DNS servers out there?`
`18:01.41`	`Andur`	`I know I can use most DNSs from other ISPs`
`18:02.13`	`Andur`	`I already fixed my problem doing a dns query through dnsstuff.com :-)`
`18:02.13`	`koala_man`	`129.241.7.7`
`18:02.44`	`Andur`	`Norwegian University of Science and Technology`
`18:02.48`	`koala_man`	`yep`
`18:02.54`	`Andur`	`let me see`
`18:03.10`	`koala_man`	`I only know two ips, and that's their dns servers`
`18:03.32`	`Andur`	`ping 150 ms :-/`
`18:03.50`	`koala_man`	`15 ms :P`
`18:03.58`	`Andur`	`is there a way to do a nslookup against a specific DNS?`
`18:04.00`	`koala_man`	`I randomly guessed at ns1.mit.edu, seems to wrok`
`18:04.14`	`Andur`	`I live in Spain`
`18:04.18`	`MrSunshine`	`ffs can SOMEONE point me in the freakin direction of where to go and get my kde to let me have whatever freakin hz i want on my monitor?!`
`18:04.22`	`MrSunshine`	`cant find any info about it anywhere`
`18:04.25`	`Andur`	`I'd prefer european DNSs`
`18:04.38`	`MrSunshine`	`and how the heck do i change the Ctrl + F keys to Alt + F keys insted :/`
`18:04.47`	`Andur`	`I think krandrtray guesses info from xorg.conf`
`18:04.49`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`MrSunshine, which distribution ?`
`18:04.55`	`MrSunshine`	`kubuntu`
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`18:05.23`	`Andur`	`I faked the hz ranges on xorg.conf so that krandrtray lets me choose 75 hz`
`18:05.29`	`reagleBRKLN`	`can kpilot use pilot-link 0.12.0-pre4 if I've build it and installed it, or does it use its own version?`
`18:05.33`	`MrSunshine`	`andre, how do you do that?`
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`18:05.48`	`koala_man`	`Andur: 150.214.35.10?`
`18:06.03`	`tobi`	`How can I check if the qt version i have has tablet support (a compiletime option)`
`18:06.25`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`MrSunshine, listen to Andur and going to channel #kubuntu might help.`
`18:06.40`	`MrSunshine`	`tstaerk\|KDE4, they are ignoring me as they dont know how to fix it :P`
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`18:06.57`	`koala_man`	`Andur: I just googled 'university site:es', picked one and checked if the dns servers were open to all`
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`18:07.05`	`Andur`	`I know I spent a whole week using all kinds of modeline calculators :-)`
`18:07.24`	`MrSunshine`	`screw kde`
`18:07.29`	`straw`	`heh`
`18:07.38`	`SMiLeaf`	`MrSunshine: all those problems are not even kde's faults :/`
`18:07.43`	`Andur`	`that seems to be Amsterdam's RIPE address`
`18:07.43`	`MrSunshine`	`ohh yes`
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`18:07.49`	`MrSunshine`	`gnome handles them just fine`
`18:07.52`	`MrSunshine`	`so has to be something with kde`
`18:08.07`	`SMiLeaf`	`MrSunshine: Hz on your monitor is Xorg's or kubuntu's for not detecting it right.`
`18:08.27`	`tchize`	`Hello, i did a bad bad thing with one of my window in kde, i configured the 'special behaviour' so that this window is always undecorated, centered, behind all other windows. Now i want to cancel this, but i can't access this menu enymore because it seems only reachable by right clicking on decoration :/`
`18:08.37`	`koala_man`	`Andur: "Red Informatica Cientifica de Andalucia, Sevilla", dns stuff says`
`18:08.38`	`Andur`	`I'd like a way to FORCE a specific HZ ignoring whatever xorg.conf says, though`
`18:08.41`	`SMiLeaf`	`MrSunshine: the ctrl+F keys to alt+F keys must be a kubuntu thing as I don't have any ctrl+F ...`
`18:08.48`	`MrSunshine`	`SMiLeaf, just make kdes display tools have an "override" ooption like gnomes display manager has then`
`18:08.51`	`Andur`	`look at what whois says :-)`
`18:09.01`	`MrSunshine`	`but that one you can overide by default and set whatever oyu want whenever you want`
`18:09.07`	`tchize`	`could someone telle me how to reach this 'special behaviour' again?`
`18:09.24`	`Andur`	`ALT+F3`
`18:09.27`	`MrSunshine`	`SMiLeaf, and i mean Ctrl +F1 - F4`
`18:09.36`	`MrSunshine`	`Alt is alot easier to reach then ctrl to change screen`
`18:09.38`	`SMiLeaf`	`MrSunshine: ya... I don't have those`
`18:09.52`	`tchize`	`Ho thanks guys :)`
`18:09.55`	`SMiLeaf`	`they are not default kde bindings.`
`18:09.57`	`tchize`	`i love kde :p`
`18:10.13`	`SMiLeaf`	`MrSunshine: you might try changing your meta key.`
`18:10.17`	`koala_man`	`Andur: ipwhois?`
`18:10.17`	`MrSunshine`	`ive used it for about 2 hours and already hates its guts more then ive ever hated a desktop :/`
`18:10.24`	`Andur`	`plain whois`
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`18:10.52`	`Andur`	`oh, damn`
`18:10.59`	`Andur`	`I placed a typo, tou're right`
`18:11.01`	`Andur`	`thanks :-)`
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`18:11.41`	`Andur`	`well, don't use KDE then`
`18:11.41`	`tchize`	`ok, one last thing for you kde freeks, is there a doc somewhere on what i need to implement to create my own kde screen saver?`
`18:11.43`	`PhilRod`	`tchize: control center -> desktop -> window specific settings`
`18:11.56`	`Andur`	`I know a lot of people who can't take KDE`
`18:12.01`	`tchize`	`philrod: thanksn but alt - f3 from andur did the trick ;)`
`18:12.05`	`Andur`	`they can use GNOME or xfce4 or whatever`
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`18:12.35`	`Andur`	`I would VERY much like to force refresh rate better from krandrtray, though`
`18:12.59`	`tchize`	`never got gnome to work like i want btw ;) but the window manager is a personal choice finally ;)`
`18:13.01`	`benkong2`	`anyone have a problem with kxdocker slowing things down and having the floating descriptions stay on the screen?`
`18:13.24`	`Andur`	`yes, kxdocker is kinda buggy`
`18:13.53`	`benkong2`	`hmmm.. it looks nice but it sure slows my desktop down and this on an AMD64`
`18:13.55`	`Andur`	`depends on the version, the one in debian sid seems mostly stable`
`18:14.17`	`Andur`	`not much cpu% hit either, sempron 1.666 mhz`
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`18:14.46`	`benkong2`	`this is running on kubuntu amd64 2Gig memory`
`18:14.48`	`Andur`	`version 0.35-2.2`
`18:14.56`	`jorgp`	`what does this error mean? using k3b 12.9 - :-( unable to pread64(2) primary volume descriptor: Input/output error`
`18:15.14`	`Andur`	`0_o no idea`
`18:15.24`	`benkong2`	`andrelet me check the version`
`18:15.32`	`Andur`	`runnning as root gives the same message jorgp ?`
`18:15.35`	`benkong2`	`sorry Andur;`
`18:16.16`	`jorgp`	`Andur: dunno, let me try, because I just used k3b to burn 3 more dvds`
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`18:16.40`	`*** kick/#kde [chanreg!n=phil@cpc4-whit1-5-0-cust31.cdif.cable.ntl.com] by PhilRod (User terminated!)`
`18:16.51`	`Andur`	`my cd burner started giving weird errors too`
`18:16.59`	`Andur`	`on test mode everything went ok`
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`18:17.10`	`Andur`	`as soon as I turned on the laser the problems started`
`18:17.18`	`Andur`	`I just let it cool down`
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`18:17.25`	`Andur`	`after a couple hours it worled OK`
`18:17.36`	`Andur`	`the burner had just burned like 12 CDs`
`18:17.44`	`Andur`	`I guess it was tired or something :-)`
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`18:20.23`	`marccollin`	`when you browse your file with konqueror, what program used to see jpg, png... file?`
`18:21.06`	`Andur`	`kuickshow`
`18:21.08`	`Andur`	`normally`
`18:21.42`	`Andur`	`I prefer using gliv though`
`18:21.52`	`Andur`	`it uses OpenGL to draw the images`
`18:22.30`	`Andur`	`it's much faster when zooming (realtime), and it uses antialiasing, so low-res pics appear much nicer`
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`18:22.48`	`Andur`	`I wished kde programs could use OpenGL`
`18:22.57`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`marccollin: default moved from kuickshow to gwenview`
`18:22.58`	`Andur`	`to draw images like gliv`
`18:22.59`	`marccollin`	`ok but if i do a locate on kuickshow, i find only library not directely aprogram`
`18:23.29`	`Andur`	`write "whereis kuickshow"`
`18:23.31`	`Andur`	`not locate`
`18:23.44`	`Andur`	`mine is on /usr/bin/kuickshow`
`18:23.47`	`Andur`	`as expected`
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`18:24.00`	`jorgp`	`heh, maybe thats it, it's tired`
`18:24.45`	`Andur`	`is there an option in gwenview to slideshow recursively?`
`18:24.59`	`Andur`	`I don't want it to show just andur/Fotos`
`18:25.06`	`Andur`	`I want all subdirectories also`
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`18:25.23`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`Andur slideshow yes, recursiv don't know`
`18:26.19`	`Andur`	`is gwenview translated to Spanish?`
`18:26.25`	`Andur`	`it appears in english`
`18:27.02`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`Andur - I don't even know if it is translated to german`
`18:27.17`	`Andur`	`kuickshow was`
`18:27.31`	`Andur`	`no, it seems to show only the root`
`18:27.37`	`Andur`	`not the recursive directories`
`18:27.51`	`Andur`	`should be an option, most people sort pictures by directories`
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`18:29.22`	`Andur`	`gwenview seems to smooth small images better than before`
`18:29.39`	`marccollin`	`i have a problem when i click on a image file, kuickshow open.... but i don't show the image... seem like it open a konqueror windows...`
`18:30.09`	`Andur`	`go to file association in konqueror`
`18:30.16`	`marccollin`	`if i like gwenview to image file, gwenview open.... but i don't see the image`
`18:30.17`	`Andur`	`type .jpg in the search bar`
`18:30.18`	`marccollin`	`ok will try`
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`18:30.46`	`Andur`	`do you know an online port scanner that understands NAT+DMZ?`
`18:31.01`	`Andur`	`all my 65535 ports appear as open`
`18:31.03`	`Andur`	`:-/`
`18:33.56`	`marccollin`	`i have kview, kuickshow, gwenview, gimp in the file association for jpeg`
`18:34.34`	`AoA`	`can somebody tell me what does this means : http://pastebin.ca/33982 ; while I was compiling KDE 3.5`
`18:35.42`	`lostson`	`hmm 3.5 is not picking up my cdrom or dvdrom`
`18:36.01`	`PhilRod`	`AoA: can you paste more of the output? from the last line that successfully compiled`
`18:36.13`	`Zalamander`	`kdict is telling me "Unable to connect to dict.org:2628 Operation in progress". This is happening on all my machines, so I don't think it's a local problem ... but I'm confused by the "operation in progress" message. Anyone know if something is going on with dict.org?`
`18:36.24`	`Zalamander`	`(their website is working fine for me)`
`18:36.39`	`marccollin`	`kuickshow seem linked to jpeg file... but when i click on a jpeg file, kuickshow open... i see all file (like a konqueror view...) excep my image file`
`18:37.21`	`AoA`	`PhilRod , how do you mean successfully if I had errors end compilation stops ? I will paste more`
`18:37.40`	`straw`	`AoA: my guess is either a too new or too old version of hspell`
`18:38.14`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`or none at all`
`18:38.48`	`PhilRod`	`AoA: the last gcc or linker command`
`18:38.58`	`PhilRod`	`(ie, the last command run by make)`
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`18:39.12`	`PhilRod`	`Zalamander: can you telnet to dict.org 2628?`
`18:39.18`	`straw`	`kdelibs usually complains if it's missing though, tstaerk\|KDE4`
`18:39.26`	`Zalamander`	`PhilRod good question.`
`18:39.36`	`Zalamander`	`nope`
`18:39.41`	`Andur`	`marccollin, try installing gliv and see if you can view jpeg images with that`
`18:39.41`	`Zalamander`	`I guess that answers that :-)`
`18:39.43`	`AoA`	`PhilRod , here is more lines : http://pastebin.ca/33984`
`18:40.00`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`straw, also if you tell it the right header files ?`
`18:40.01`	`Andur`	`lostson, try symlinking /dev/cdrom to /dev/hdc or wherever you have your drive`
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`18:40.43`	`lostson`	`Andur: its good i just put a cd in and it was there like it should stupid human error`
`18:40.56`	`Zalamander`	`So the dict server at dict.org appears to be Out of Order, unless they've Moved to a New Location, or Gone Out of Business.`
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`18:41.43`	`marccollin`	`i will erase my user and create another one... more easy and that alway work`
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`18:41.47`	`AoA`	`straw , how should I know what version of hspell to use ?`
`18:42.02`	`Andur`	`rename ~/.kde to ~/.kdeOLD`
`18:43.05`	`straw`	`AoA: kdelibs should print a message after ./configure`
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`18:44.10`	`jorgp`	`Andur: still does it`
`18:44.18`	`straw`	`AoA: i can't recall if a version is mentioned and i don't really want to run ./configure on my build tree atm :/`
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`18:44.37`	`AoA`	`ok straw :)`
`18:45.02`	`Andur`	`dunno jorgp , maybe try powercycling the machine, leave it off for like 30 seconds`
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`18:45.43`	`jorgp`	`well, it's writes data dvd's fine, it's the movie dvd that failed`
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`18:46.15`	`straw`	`AoA: let me grep a bit`
`18:46.55`	`PhilRod`	`AoA: what distro are you using?`
`18:48.47`	`AoA`	`PhilRod , I am using Debian 3.1r0a Sarge`
`18:51.18`	`jorgp`	`I wonder if 12.10 fixes this`
`18:51.22`	`jorgp`	`Fixed Auto multisession mode in DVD projects`
`18:51.37`	`jorgp`	`because growisofs kept coming back and saying use -Z`
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`18:56.20`	`straw`	`AoA: hspell >= 0.9`
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`18:57.09`	`AoA`	`straw : and , I have hspell 0.9-2`
`18:57.22`	`AoA`	`maybe I need newer version`
`18:58.02`	`straw`	`AoA: ok. tstaerk\|KDE4 may be right, then. the hspell headers maybe aren't found`
`18:58.52`	`PhilRod`	`AoA: make sure that your hspell and hspell-devel packages have the same version`
`18:59.28`	`straw`	`AoA: where is hspell.h installed?`
`18:59.33`	`PhilRod`	`also, hspell is only needed for Hebrew language support (IIRC), so you might not need it at all`
`18:59.35`	`htedrom`	`hey all...i can't adjust the time in the control panel`
`18:59.51`	`htedrom`	`whenever i go into admin mode in the time/date module`
`19:00.02`	`AoA`	`straw : I found hspell.h in /usr/include`
`19:00.04`	`htedrom`	`it just kicks me back to the control centre splash page`
`19:00.26`	`straw`	`AoA: that should be fine...`
`19:00.46`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`-lhspell missing ?`
`19:00.47`	`straw`	`AoA: see PhilRod's last advice then :/`
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`19:01.51`	`straw`	`tstaerk\|KDE4: it must be passing the ./configure tests`
`19:02.02`	`Andur`	`htedrom, try setting it manually as root, date 12172001`
`19:02.10`	`Andur`	`see if an error message appears`
`19:02.41`	`jorgp`	`it's really annoying in k3b when you tell it to burn 4x and it's burning at 1.6x`
`19:02.50`	`PhilRod`	`htedrom: can you get admin mode in any other control center page?`
`19:03.15`	`htedrom`	`PhilRod: yea all of them`
`19:03.17`	`htedrom`	`except date/time`
`19:03.42`	`htedrom`	`i'm gonna run control centre AS root`
`19:03.45`	`htedrom`	`see what happens`
`19:04.00`	`PhilRod`	`make sure you use kdesu :-)`
`19:04.05`	`PhilRod`	`food, bbl`
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`19:04.32`	`Andur`	`jorgp, I think that's because 4x is the mean speed, and 1.6 is the real, current speed`
`19:04.37`	`Andur`	`I might be wrong though`
`19:05.09`	`Andur`	`the inner parts of the disc are written slower due to slower angular speed, or something`
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`19:05.22`	`Andur`	`erm, is that LINEAR speed?`
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`19:08.39`	`jorgp`	`makes sense`
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`19:18.20`	`harry_`	`is there a way to make my mouse pointer bigger, without messing up my entire theme?`
`19:18.31`	`harry_`	`i am forever losing the thing on my desktop`
`19:19.32`	`union`	`Wann`
`19:19.58`	`SmallR2002`	`harry_, why not make ctrl do rings around it`
`19:20.00`	`union`	`when the synce will be proper to synchronize with contact`
`19:20.28`	`harry_`	`SmallR2002 are you toying with me?`
`19:21.31`	`SmallR2002`	`harry_, not really`
`19:21.40`	`SmallR2002`	`means to the same end`
`19:22.03`	`harry_`	`ok, but i have no idea what you are talking about, nor how to do it`
`19:22.16`	`Andur`	`go to kcontrol peripherals mouse`
`19:22.17`	`harry_`	`please lead the way`
`19:22.31`	`Andur`	`you have a tab for mouse pointers`
`19:22.55`	`harry_`	`"cursor theme" ?`
`19:24.06`	`Andur`	`yes`
`19:24.23`	`Andur`	`now I can't find the "CTRL draws circles around mouse pointer" option :-/`
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`19:25.12`	`harry_`	`no wonder i had no idea.. :D`
`19:25.34`	`Andur`	`you can enable keyes too`
`19:26.06`	`harry_`	`if i wasnt at 1600x1200 from 40 inches away, it would probably be no big deal`
`19:26.07`	`Andur`	`add applet eyes`
`19:26.22`	`AoA`	`when I open some folder with konqueror file browser , if that folder contents index.htm (index.html) , konqueror opens that page like some internet bowser. Is there any way to change that ?`
`19:26.34`	`SmallR2002`	`yes`
`19:26.38`	`SmallR2002`	`tell it not to`
`19:26.48`	`SmallR2002`	`(i am in a most unhelpful mood today)`
`19:26.58`	`Andur`	`hmmm`
`19:27.04`	`Andur`	`maybe go to file association`
`19:27.07`	`Andur`	`.htm`
`19:29.53`	`Roman123`	`How can I change the default desktop folder from ~/Desktop to another one? This seems to be rather tricky because I spent the last hour to google for a solution to this problem. :-(`
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`19:30.50`	`SmallR2002`	`that i will dien to answer`
`19:31.16`	`SmallR2002`	`control center>system administration>paths>`
`19:32.00`	`Roman123`	`SmallR2002: Ouch, I hope this is a joke :)`
`19:32.17`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`no`
`19:32.38`	`_ec`	`15.4 wxga 1280*800 horizontal and vertical frequencies?`
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`19:32.42`	`SmallR2002`	`my gentoo has just assraped its copy of python`
`19:32.46`	`Roman123`	`I should have asked an hour ago :)`
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`19:32.54`	`SmallR2002`	`no you shouldnth`
`19:32.55`	`Roman123`	`Thanks a lot`
`19:33.00`	`SmallR2002`	`i wouldnt have been here`
`19:33.11`	`SmallR2002`	`i was out working`
`19:33.21`	`SmallR2002`	`for this guy who now seems reluctant to pay me`
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`19:34.15`	`SmallR2002`	`i think kidnapping his children is the best idea`
`19:34.18`	`zaphar_ps`	`how do you change the font and colors for icons on the desktop?`
`19:34.28`	`zaphar_ps`	`I've looked everwhere and cant find it`
`19:34.44`	`SmallR2002`	`the colors for icons on the desktop...`
`19:34.59`	`SmallR2002`	`you want a different theme on the desktop to everywhere else?`
`19:35.11`	`Andur`	`It uses the same settings as the konqueror file manager, AFAIK`
`19:35.16`	`zaphar_ps`	`small just the text under the icons`
`19:35.37`	`zaphar_ps`	`hrmm so why is it looking different than konqueror?`
`19:35.59`	`SmallR2002`	`control center>aperance & themes>fonts>desktop`
`19:36.04`	`benJIman`	`and icons -> advanced -> desktop`
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`19:36.47`	`zaphar_ps`	`that changes font but not color`
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`19:37.40`	`Andur`	`well, I did change both, so it must be possible`
`19:37.52`	`zaphar_ps`	`Andur: do you happen to remember where?`
`19:38.08`	`zaphar_ps`	`I'll edit the config file if necessary I just don't know where`
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`19:38.18`	`eka`	`hi all`
`19:38.34`	`Andur`	`it's possible via konqueror and kcontrol config`
`19:38.37`	`zaphar_ps`	`my destop icons are white with light grey outline and it doesn't go well with the background I want`
`19:38.44`	`Andur`	`I'm in a hurry, sorry`
`19:38.45`	`Andur`	`cya`
`19:38.47`	`eka`	`anyone using gkrellm in kde? i want to makeit dock there in a side`
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`19:39.25`	`benJIman`	`zaphar_ps: right click -> configure -> advanced options`
`19:39.29`	`benJIman`	`you can change colour there`
`19:39.53`	`zaphar_ps`	`right click where?`
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`19:41.30`	`Roman123`	`SmallR2002: Thanks a lot.`
`19:41.36`	`SmallR2002`	`Roman123, thats ok`
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`19:43.09`	`zaphar_ps`	`benJIman: where do I right click?`
`19:43.25`	`benJIman`	`on desktop`
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`19:43.56`	`zaphar_ps`	`benJIman: thanks`
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`19:52.24`	`fpitt_`	`question: can I use the mozilla jre plugin with konqueror?`
`19:53.01`	`annma`	`did you look at konqueror website for doc?`
`19:53.49`	`fpitt_`	`annma: no`
`19:54.30`	`annma`	`give it a try`
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`20:10.25`	`error403`	`Do the KDE team manage amaroK?`
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`20:11.00`	`error403`	`Can I just say, if any amaroK devs are here - the latest update is awesome!!!`
`20:11.14`	`annma`	`maybe you could join #amarok`
`20:11.22`	`annma`	`and tell them there`
`20:13.02`	`error403`	`lol`
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`20:16.02`	`r2d3`	`test`
`20:16.15`	`annma`	`you're on r2d3`
`20:16.50`	`r2d3`	`annma sorry`
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`20:18.05`	`annma`	`hmmm`
`20:18.12`	`annma`	`server problems?`
`20:18.22`	`r2d8`	`no nick problems`
`20:18.42`	`annma`	`you should get a nick and register it`
`20:18.59`	`r2d8`	`how I register`
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`20:20.14`	`annma`	`http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup`
`20:20.17`	`annma`	`read that`
`20:20.28`	`r2d8`	`thanks I will read it`
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`20:20.53`	`annma`	`then each time you join you identify`
`20:21.04`	`annma`	`and noone will steal your nick`
`20:21.41`	`r2d8`	`annma, thanks`
`20:29.18`	`r2d8`	`annma: can I search after names`
`20:29.36`	`annma`	`r2d8: you mean look if other nicks are taken?`
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`20:29.51`	`r2d8`	`yes and realnames`
`20:30.25`	`annma`	`I doubt yu'll find nick + real name`
`20:30.34`	`annma`	`that would be a breach of confidentiality`
`20:30.59`	`annma`	`besides few people use real names`
`20:31.19`	`annma`	`I did not (I hope I did not)`
`20:32.00`	`StevenR-laptop`	`annma: you come up as sirc_user`
`20:32.11`	`annma`	`not kde devel?`
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`20:32.23`	`annma`	`StevenR-laptop: good enough`
`20:32.47`	`annma`	`I have a cloak anyway`
`20:33.12`	`StevenR-laptop`	`annma: wel you have a kde dev cloak too, and your n= is annma....shurg`
`20:33.18`	`StevenR-laptop`	`*shrug`
`20:33.24`	`annma`	`yes`
`20:33.54`	`annma`	`and you are Steven, StevenR-laptop`
`20:34.04`	`annma`	`;) no surprise here ;)`
`20:34.08`	`StevenR-laptop`	`hehe`
`20:34.14`	`annma`	`from the UK`
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`20:35.03`	`r2d8`	`annma: How I can find in channel is a nick I know`
`20:35.13`	`StevenR-laptop`	`yeah, you can also see the city too, if you read the hostmask and know where it is. annma`
`20:35.30`	`annma`	`r2d8: I am not a Freenode helper! query maybe`
`20:35.52`	`annma`	`StevenR-laptop: oh, cool`
`20:36.09`	`r2d8`	`annma: I am`
`20:36.10`	`annma`	`edinbourgh?`
`20:36.17`	`r2d8`	`annma: I am joking k`
`20:36.20`	`StevenR-laptop`	`annma: Edinburgh`
`20:36.24`	`annma`	`:)`
`20:36.29`	`r2d8`	`You are better`
`20:36.32`	`annma`	`mispelled but that was it`
`20:36.37`	`StevenR-laptop`	`:)`
`20:37.01`	`annma`	`do you know Jonathan Riddell?`
`20:37.06`	`StevenR-laptop`	`yes`
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`20:37.12`	`annma`	`:) cool`
`20:37.18`	`StevenR-laptop`	`see him at LUG meets occassionally`
`20:37.31`	`annma`	`I missed him when he came to Montreal`
`20:37.44`	`annma`	`could not go to the Ubuntu meeting`
`20:37.46`	`StevenR-laptop`	`annma: I like his umbrello, was very helpful for my software engineering report`
`20:38.01`	`annma`	`yes, it's good and KUbuntu is good too`
`20:38.11`	`annma`	`he sent me 60 CDs last July for a show`
`20:38.26`	`annma`	`I found that very very nice`
`20:38.31`	`StevenR-laptop`	`annma: there are flaws in kubuntu that we were talking about last time i saw him....kynaptic being one of them`
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`20:38.43`	`StevenR-laptop`	`annma: yes, he's a nice guy`
`20:38.55`	`annma`	`StevenR-laptop: yes but the interest KUbuntu draws on KDE is nice`
`20:39.00`	`annma`	`and KUbuntu is young`
`20:40.09`	`StevenR-laptop`	`very true`
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`20:42.45`	`r2d8`	`annma: I found a solution`
`20:43.50`	`Blissex`	`bizarre issue that seems to have hit other people: 'kfmclient openURL\|exec ...' starts Konqueror, 'konqueror --profile ...' starts Konqueror, but 'kfmclient open Profile ...' has no visible effect. Where to look? What to do?`
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`20:45.29`	`annma`	`kfmclient openProfile ...`
`20:45.33`	`annma`	`without space`
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`20:46.53`	`annma`	`Blissex: kfmclient --commands for help`
`20:47.14`	`Blissex`	`annma: that was a typo...`
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`20:47.42`	`annma`	`anyway try kfmclient --commands`
`20:47.51`	`annma`	`what profile arg do you pass and how?`
`20:48.05`	`sjanssen`	`so, when I start KMail, I get an error popup stating "Starting TLS Failed", every time I click okay the same box pops up`
`20:48.12`	`sjanssen`	`the box is modal, so I can't shut TLS off`
`20:48.25`	`Blissex`	`annma: 'kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing' has no visible effect, but 'konqueror --profile webbrowsing' starts Koinqueror`
`20:48.25`	`sjanssen`	`what do I do?`
`20:48.27`	`annma`	`sjanssen: what distro? doe sit happen form your install?`
`20:48.49`	`annma`	`Blissex: kfmclient openProfile 'profile' ['url']`
`20:48.49`	`annma`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:48.49`	`annma`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:48.50`	`annma`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:48.51`	`sjanssen`	`annma: it's Gentoo`
`20:49.01`	`annma`	`sjanssen: ask in #gentoo then`
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`20:50.00`	`sjanssen`	`I was actually trying to figure out if there's a way for me to change account settings without starting KMail -- I realize the more general problem is probably a Gentoo issue`
`20:50.36`	`annma`	`yup`
`20:51.11`	`sjanssen`	`annma: any response to the first part of that sentence?`
`20:51.35`	`annma`	`change account settings without starting kmail?`
`20:51.46`	`annma`	`I don't think so`
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`20:52.53`	`SmallR2002`	`gentoo assraped my python install`
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`21:00.45`	`BattleMage`	`Can anybody tell me, how to get a "run dialog" like KDE an Gnome deliver, but without actually using KDE or Gnome?`
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`21:02.16`	`annma`	`BattleMage: using what then?`
`21:02.26`	`BattleMage`	`openbox atm`
`21:03.06`	`annma`	`and why do you ask here then?`
`21:03.11`	`annma`	`if you don't have KDE?`
`21:03.19`	`BattleMage`	`just thought, there are many linux guys in here`
`21:03.33`	`BattleMage`	`they probably used something different before`
`21:03.36`	`annma`	`we're linux-kde and not all guys`
`21:04.04`	`annma`	`if you want a dialog you need a widget toolbox`
`21:04.28`	`annma`	`find one and look at its doc`
`21:04.52`	`BattleMage`	`okay, thank's for helping`
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`21:13.36`	`AoA`	`Does somebody knows what does this means : http://pastebin.ca/34004`
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`21:16.46`	`annma`	`AoA: first time you use konstruct?`
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`21:17.00`	`AoA`	`annma : yes`
`21:17.32`	`annma`	`check config.log in kdelibs source dir`
`21:18.03`	`annma`	`for hspell`
`21:18.04`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: seems better than 2 hours before :)`
`21:18.26`	`AoA`	`tstaerk\|KDE4 : ))`
`21:18.40`	`annma`	`ah you already had problems?`
`21:18.55`	`AoA`	`me, Yes`
`21:19.01`	`annma`	`hmm`
`21:19.03`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: a make clean in kspell2/plugins could already help,so:`
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`21:19.16`	`annma`	`if the build is not clean, yes, make clean`
`21:19.23`	`_Roey`	`hi, why does this site slow down in Konqueror? http://www.tv.com/my-name-is-earl/show/31988/forums.html&fpage=show_messages.php&board=14345&topic=163411&page=1`
`21:19.27`	`annma`	`I assumed it was all brand new`
`21:19.35`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA, could you please go into kspell2/plugins and sat "make clean"`
`21:19.37`	`AoA`	`euforia:/home/sorg/kdelibs-3.5.0/kspell2/plugins# make clean`
`21:19.37`	`AoA`	make: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop.
`21:20.02`	`annma`	`_Roey: slow down? how come?`
`21:20.23`	`annma`	`went pretty fast here`
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`21:21.17`	`annma`	`_Roey: what is slow exactly?`
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`21:22.32`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA, could you try make clean in kspell2 ?`
`21:23.01`	`AoA`	`euforia:/home/sorg/kdelibs-3.5.0/kspell2# make clean`
`21:23.01`	`AoA`	make: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop.
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`21:23.46`	`_Roey`	`annma: scrolling`
`21:23.58`	`_Roey`	`annma: either by scrollwheel or dragging on the scrollbar.`
`21:24.22`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: strange - please try "unsermake clean"`
`21:25.54`	`AoA`	`tstaerk\|KDE4 : nothing, sam thing again`
`21:27.07`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA, try a "make" in kdelibs-3.5.0`
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`21:28.21`	`AoA`	`tstaerk\|KDE4 : nothng again, I think I will give up soon...`
`21:29.09`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: same error as with konstuct ?`
`21:29.37`	`AoA`	`tstaerk\|KDE4 : all this errors is with konstruct`
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`21:29.59`	`AoA`	`tstaerk\|KDE4 : it looks like hspell.h cannot be linked or something`
`21:30.15`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA - correct.`
`21:30.36`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA, question is why.`
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`21:31.00`	`AoA`	tstaerk\|KDE4 : what does this mean : : undefined reference to `corlist_init(corlist*)' , or similar....
`21:31.10`	`annma`	`AoA: but you looked in config.log for hspell.h?`
`21:31.26`	`AoA`	`no`
`21:31.30`	`endrx`	`I'm having trouble with startkde. It says that it cannot open display ''? I'm in textmode now. Please help!`
`21:31.44`	`cpw`	`annma: you wanted me earlier?`
`21:32.07`	`annma`	`cpw: a guy came here wanting to code a win deco for kde for gentoo`
`21:32.16`	`annma`	`I wondered if you know him`
`21:32.26`	`cpw`	`no one that I remember`
`21:32.34`	`annma`	`he seemed very newbie`
`21:32.39`	`annma`	`nickname aep`
`21:32.44`	`annma`	`a german guy`
`21:32.46`	`cpw`	`nope, not a clue`
`21:32.54`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA, that means, the linker cannot find the library how to do the function corlist...`
`21:33.07`	`cpw`	`that's not on my list of kde people I know with Gentoo relations :P`
`21:33.24`	`annma`	`I used you to calm him as he wanted we deliver him that win deco`
`21:33.31`	`endrx`	`it worked fine untill I tried a 1200x1024 external screen on my laptop. Then it died`
`21:33.36`	`annma`	`XP-like win deco...`
`21:33.38`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA, how did you start your konstruct ?`
`21:34.40`	`AoA`	`tstaerk\|KDE4 : I started reading manual , I typed : make install`
`21:36.44`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: please go to kdelibs-3.5.0 and do a "make clean"`
`21:36.58`	`annma`	`_Roey: the website is as quick as others there in konq by dragging the scrollbar`
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`21:38.28`	`litb`	`endrx, try "startx startkde"`
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`21:39.03`	`endrx`	`ok`
`21:39.18`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`endrx, please tell us what echo $DISPLAY tells you`
`21:39.34`	`AoA`	`tstaerk\|KDE4 : I done that , now I am downloading kdelibs, and will see what will happen...`
`21:40.06`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: downloading is not necessary`
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`21:40.47`	`endrx`	`�$DISPLAY is nothing`
`21:40.47`	`litb`	`i think he tries to start kde from textmode, which can't work :)`
`21:41.01`	`endrx`	`but it fails at boottime`
`21:41.15`	`AoA`	`tstaerk\|KDE4 : but I run again 'make insall" with konstruckt and it downloading kdelibs`
`21:41.23`	`litb`	`endrx, have you tried startx startkde?`
`21:42.04`	`litb`	`how does it fail?`
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`21:42.41`	`lezard`	`Hy, I have an issue regarding kmail and Slackware 10.2 with KDE 3.5. When I try to connect to an imap server, I have a message from klauncher saying that it has a problem with kio_imap4. Can someone tell me what are the dependencies of kio_imap4 ?`
`21:42.42`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`endrx, best way to do it is: X :1; export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:1; startkde`
`21:43.26`	`litb`	`tstaerk, sure? it will wait until X is stopped...`
`21:43.32`	`litb`	`i think`
`21:43.46`	`lezard`	`The same goes for pop3s, and I don't know what to do...`
`21:44.10`	`textmodehell`	`yes, statx startkde failed too. gave some errors. using configfile /root/xorg.conf. error parsing config file and fatal error; no screens found.`
`21:44.49`	`lezard`	`Houps, I know, I don't have libsasl2.so.2`
`21:45.36`	`StevenR`	`lezard: you need cyrus-sasl package from the n/ series`
`21:45.49`	`StevenR`	`lezard: or possibly l/ series`
`21:46.04`	`lezard`	`StevenR : yes I think you're right`
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`21:46.28`	`StevenR`	`lezard: I know I'm right :) I was one of the folk who reported the issue to Pat`
`21:46.29`	`lezard`	`StevenR: I did remove it today, cause I thought I didn't need it`
`21:46.38`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA, do you have the hspell-devel packages installed ? Which distribution ?`
`21:46.44`	`lezard`	`StevenR : thanks a lot`
`21:46.49`	`StevenR`	`np lezard :)`
`21:47.06`	`textmodehell`	`x/kde worked brilliantly after installing mandriva. is there any way of resetting it to "factory settings"?`
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`21:47.53`	`annma`	`textmodehell: what happen when you startx as a user?`
`21:47.56`	`litb`	`my kde crashed when i was logged in two times`
`21:48.06`	`AoA`	`tstaerk\|KDE4 : I think I have , I have Debian 3.1r0a Sarge and I installed hspell , but I dont have hspell-dev , but when I installed hspell i see thare is file hspell.h in /usr/include`
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`21:48.12`	`marccollin`	`hi`
`21:48.23`	`litb`	`annma, i said the same to him`
`21:48.25`	`marccollin`	`somebody use kcall`
`21:48.42`	`annma`	`litb: :) I did not scroll back`
`21:49.00`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: well, can't work that way... please apt-get install hspell-dev`
`21:49.07`	`litb`	`marcollini, i use it`
`21:49.09`	`straw`	`AoA: if you don't have hspell-dev installed, then that's probably the problem`
`21:49.09`	`textmodehell`	`annma: wow! that actually worked.`
`21:49.18`	`annma`	`textmodehell: never be root`
`21:49.25`	`litb`	`heh ;)`
`21:49.30`	`AoA`	`straw : but I have hspell.h`
`21:49.40`	`straw`	`AoA: then the package maker made a mistake`
`21:49.49`	`textmodehell`	`annma: I thought that thing was a root thing started at boottime`
`21:49.52`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: you will find out most "obvious" problems (where you do no specials and fail nevertheless)`
`21:50.08`	`AoA`	`straw : I see that :\|`
`21:50.11`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: result from non-installed devel-packages.`
`21:50.33`	`litb`	`marccollin, ^`
`21:50.37`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: They should be named "devil", I think somehow`
`21:50.39`	`marccollin`	`are there any voice over ip program for kde`
`21:50.45`	`litb`	`kcall`
`21:50.46`	`AoA`	`tstaerk\|KDE4 : do you have kde 3.5 ?`
`21:50.53`	`litb`	`i use it`
`21:50.55`	`textmodehell`	`I do see the irony though :-)`
`21:51.15`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`waaaah! I changed my name especially.`
`21:51.19`	`straw`	`AoA: the headers should definitely be part of the -dev package. maybe ask about it in #debian`
`21:51.35`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: yes, besides KDE 4, I use KDE 3.5 productively.`
`21:51.57`	`straw`	`or #debian-kde if that exists`
`21:52.00`	`AoA`	`tstaerk\|KDE4 : where did you find kde 4 ?`
`21:52.20`	`litb`	`marccollin, what to say against kcall?`
`21:52.21`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: touching KDE 4 is asking for trouble!!!!`
`21:52.28`	`AoA`	`oh`
`21:52.43`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: It is not yet a prerelease ;)`
`21:52.48`	`AoA`	`tstaerk\|KDE4 : did you compile KDE 3.5 by your self ?`
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`21:53.12`	`marccollin`	`does kcall can be used do to voice over ip?`
`21:53.18`	`litb`	`yes`
`21:53.35`	`litb`	`what provider?`
`21:53.41`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA, yes. 4 also. I also did it under Windows when I was at my parents (who have this operating system)`
`21:53.44`	`straw`	`last i tried qt4+kdelibs snapsot+kdebase it was severely incapacitated :)`
`21:54.06`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`straw, when was this ?`
`21:54.14`	`AoA`	`tstaerk\|KDE4 : Jesus, and I cant compile just one kde`
`21:54.31`	`straw`	`tstaerk\|KDE4: last week or so`
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`21:54.39`	`Eruantalon`	`How do I make Kde use my other soundcard? I suppose I must use "Override device location" but what should i write? /dev/dsp1 or something else? (Kubuntu Breezy, Kde 3.4.3)`
`21:54.48`	`Kovecses`	`anyone here ever used konstruct?`
`21:54.51`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: when I was a beginner... you are making progress, as I can tell`
`21:55.01`	`litb`	`Kovecses, here!`
`21:55.14`	`Kovecses`	`litb: yeah.... what distro?`
`21:55.14`	`AoA`	`Kovecses : me ...`
`21:55.24`	`litb`	`SuSE`
`21:55.32`	`Kovecses`	`so it works good?`
`21:55.33`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`straw, well, you can take twm as window manager then it works okay... and produces crashes`
`21:55.43`	`litb`	`but i _used_ it`
`21:55.47`	`straw`	`the qt4 demos/examples are nice`
`21:55.55`	`litb`	`it's only good for testing kde`
`21:56.09`	`Kovecses`	`aww`
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`21:56.18`	`litb`	`as it installs alot of libs which probably are in your system already`
`21:56.22`	`litb`	`like glib`
`21:56.26`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`Kovecses, konstruct should work, really`
`21:56.43`	`straw`	`tstaerk\|KDE4: i gave up :) maintaining a 3.5 branch from svn is enough trouble for me`
`21:56.51`	`litb`	`i would compile KDE by myself, for a production system`
`21:56.56`	`Kovecses`	`im on 3.5 now... got it from portage.... but I was wondering about installing it on my debian box`
`21:57.04`	`Kovecses`	`cuz 3.5 is nice`
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`21:57.32`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`straw, come on, all we humans need is a bit of experience!`
`21:57.35`	`AoA`	`Kovecses : I am trying to install on debian right now...`
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`21:57.53`	`Kovecses`	`AoA: ive heard there is a repo.....`
`21:58.03`	`litb`	`Kovecses, you have to install only 2 packages for a base kde, no untaring hell`
`21:58.21`	`litb`	`as it would for GNOME`
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`21:58.44`	`Eruantalon`	`Anyone know of a good tutorial for setting up sound with Kde/Kubuntu?`
`21:58.55`	`Kovecses`	`i ditched gnome...... used it for a while.. then realized that kde is soo much nicer`
`21:59.01`	`litb`	`then i switched to KDE ;)`
`21:59.18`	`Kovecses`	`Eruantalon: use alsa`
`21:59.59`	`litb`	`yeah, also and dmix. like heaven`
`22:00.06`	`litb`	`*alsa`
`22:00.29`	`Kovecses`	`AoA: are you trying this on sarge?`
`22:00.49`	`Eruantalon`	`Kovecses: How do i specify whiich of my to soundcards i wish to use?`
`22:00.53`	`AoA`	`Kovecses : I am trying right know, but I have some troubles`
`22:01.09`	`Kovecses`	`AoA: there are repos.....`
`22:01.14`	`Eruantalon`	`which* two*`
`22:01.25`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: collect all troubles for the world after you! see wiki.kde.org`
`22:01.26`	`AoA`	`Kovecses : what is repos ?`
`22:01.49`	`Kovecses`	`huh?`
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`22:02.05`	`Kovecses`	`debian repositories`
`22:02.15`	`litb`	`in your .alsarc file, change your Default device. see alsarc on google`
`22:02.26`	`Eruantalon`	`k thanks`
`22:02.36`	`AoA`	`Kovecses : for Sarge ?`
`22:03.04`	`Eruantalon`	`I've got no .alsarc....`
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`22:03.22`	`litb`	`create it ;)`
`22:04.03`	`Kovecses`	`Eruantalon: hmm maybe not ... let me check`
`22:04.24`	`litb`	`sorry, asoundrc`
`22:04.43`	`litb`	`of course, with a leading dot`
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`22:04.48`	`B-Minus`	`hello all`
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`22:04.51`	`B-Minus`	`i have a question`
`22:05.03`	`B-Minus`	`how come i dont have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf`
`22:05.12`	`B-Minus`	`i have the example file thou`
`22:05.16`	`B-Minus`	`but not the conf`
`22:05.17`	`annma`	`B-Minus: ask in #your-distro channel`
`22:05.17`	`B-Minus`	`:s`
`22:05.21`	`Eruantalon`	`litb: Where? I don't seem to have one`
`22:05.33`	`annma`	`B-Minus: here we deal with kde, not Xorg`
`22:05.42`	`litb`	`i don't know the syntax there`
`22:05.43`	`Kovecses`	`B-Minus: what distro?`
`22:05.47`	`B-Minus`	`gentoo`
`22:05.53`	`annma`	`ask in #gentoo`
`22:05.57`	`litb`	`only know that there is a Default device in ~/.asoundrc`
`22:06.06`	`annma`	`maybe you set somethign badly, B-Minus`
`22:06.22`	`Kovecses`	`im on gentoo and def have an xorg.conf`
`22:06.44`	`B-Minus`	`hmmz`
`22:06.56`	`annma`	`ask in #gentoo, right?`
`22:07.10`	`annma`	`as we are not specialized in gentoo things here`
`22:07.29`	`annma`	`even if seeing so many gentoo users I begin to know it`
`22:07.33`	`Kovecses`	`it doesnt say whether the repos can be used in sarge... but my guess is they can`
`22:07.57`	`Kovecses`	`gentoo rocks w00t`
`22:08.11`	`litb`	`Eruantalon, create .asoundrc, and add a "pcm.!default {"`
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`22:08.21`	`litb`	`create a trailing }`
`22:08.48`	`litb`	`between them you write card n, where n i s your card number, beginning from 0`
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`22:09.13`	`litb`	`and you write "type hw"`
`22:09.51`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`Kovecses, do you really think you can set compile parameters better than your distributor ?`
`22:09.55`	`litb`	`the same for "ctl.!default {", Eruantalon`
`22:10.30`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`most bug reports from gentoo I see users originate from very "individual" settings`
`22:10.36`	`Kovecses`	`tstaerk\|KDE4: how i set them worked damn good`
`22:11.17`	`Kovecses`	`tstaerk\|KDE4: if debian had more packages in apt and more up to date software i would use that`
`22:11.26`	`annma`	`tstaerk\|KDE4: yes but those users usually think it's kde fault, not their fault`
`22:12.07`	`litb`	`Eruantalon, http://rafb.net/paste/results/6Bkwn526.txt`
`22:12.40`	`litb`	`then restart your machine`
`22:12.48`	`litb`	`or reinstert your kernel module`
`22:13.35`	`litb`	`i think this is neccesarry, although it could work without restart, too`
`22:14.04`	`Eruantalon`	`ok`
`22:14.40`	`Eruantalon`	`how to reinsert kernel module?`
`22:15.05`	`Khaytsus`	`modprobe`
`22:17.32`	`Eruantalon`	`litb: nvm I will try to restart my machine`
`22:17.47`	`Kovecses`	`most gentoo users dont use kde anyway`
`22:18.18`	`oGALAXYo`	`uhm ?`
`22:18.24`	`oGALAXYo`	`i know a lot of gentoo users who use kde`
`22:18.29`	`Kovecses`	`im one of them`
`22:18.41`	`Kovecses`	`but go into #gentoo........ most dont`
`22:18.57`	`oGALAXYo`	`gentoo is not representative for all gentoo users`
`22:19.07`	`Kovecses`	`very true`
`22:19.41`	`Kovecses`	`bbl......gotta go play TCE`
`22:20.02`	`Kovecses`	`litb: what are you currently running?`
`22:20.24`	`litb`	`SuSE. i messed up the package manager`
`22:20.39`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`litb: I see no advantage in that change`
`22:20.44`	`Kovecses`	`portage has almost every package`
`22:20.46`	`litb`	`because i don't care about what it says`
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`22:20.50`	`Kovecses`	`you can even emerge vmware`
`22:21.31`	`litb`	`"libkdeblah conflicts with libfoo.so" but i've libfoo.so installed. stupid...`
`22:21.43`	`Kovecses`	`tstaerk\|KDE4: hater`
`22:21.52`	`litb`	`err, "libkdeblah depends onn libfoo.so, but it's not installed"`
`22:22.17`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: are you proceeding ?`
`22:22.38`	`litb`	`under gentoo, i con compile the newest software, and don'T have to wait for SuSE packagers`
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`22:26.25`	`AoA`	`tstaerk\|KDE4 : yes, I am proceeding successfuly right now....`
`22:27.28`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: I want to see that you are further than before before I go to sleep - are you further than before ?`
`22:27.29`	`Khaytsus`	`Of course mose Ghetto uses don't use KDE. How can they USE the system when all they do is compile all day long?`
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`22:27.48`	`annma`	`Khaytsus: lOL`
`22:27.54`	`AoA`	`tstaerk\|KDE4 : OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo....ERROOOOOOOR.... :(((`
`22:28.06`	`AoA`	`again the same error`
`22:28.13`	`Khaytsus`	`My kd3 is teh slow while I compile`
`22:28.30`	`annma`	`well I use it and compile it`
`22:28.33`	`annma`	`all day lomg`
`22:28.36`	`AoA`	`tstaerk\|KDE4 : go to sleep, and I wish you good night... :)`
`22:28.38`	`Khaytsus`	`I bet that takes days`
`22:28.59`	`annma`	`Khaytsus: I recompile it each day, from svn as do other kde devells`
`22:29.12`	`Khaytsus`	`Well sure, if you're a developer that's one thing.`
`22:29.23`	`annma`	`someties I copile some modules several times a day`
`22:29.26`	`Khaytsus`	`You're not likely compiling the whole thing, just what you work on and dependancies.`
`22:29.34`	`Skrot`	`Hi. Trying to install KAT on a Debian Unstable box with KDE 3.5 compiled from source. Configure says that I don't have libsqlite3 installed, but apt says I do. Any clues? :)`
`22:29.39`	`annma`	`well it's a lot`
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`22:30.00`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA, open a bug report at bugs.kde.org, it cannot be that a beginner has to struggle so much with it.`
`22:30.01`	`litb`	`annma, yea.. i'm too`
`22:30.13`	`annma`	`SkiffX: ask in #debian-kde and check if yu have the devel package`
`22:30.15`	`piggz`	`try libsqlite3-dev? or something like that`
`22:30.17`	`litb`	`and compiling in background does not affect my system performance much`
`22:30.23`	`Khaytsus`	`heh`
`22:30.24`	`Khaytsus`	`Much`
`22:30.31`	`annma`	`no, nor mine`
`22:30.34`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA, you want to compile KDE, right ? You do not want to say "apt-get install kde" and everything works, do you ?`
`22:30.41`	`Skrot`	`Oops, Sorry. bad paste by me. I didn't actually have the -dev package of sqlite3. Sorry :)`
`22:30.50`	`annma`	`Khaytsus: much because we usually compile several things at the same time`
`22:30.53`	`litb`	`using yakuake i can simply hide the compiling terminal and do another work`
`22:31.06`	`annma`	`I use konsole tabbed`
`22:31.10`	`litb`	`of course only with kon colivas kernel set`
`22:31.14`	`Khaytsus`	`annma: smp? Otherwise there's not much advantage, just disk thrash`
`22:31.24`	`AoA`	`tstaerk\|KDE4 : i woud do that but I dont have kde 3.5`
`22:31.39`	`piggz`	`well...time to build a kernel`
`22:31.46`	`annma`	`AoA: what distro?`
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`22:32.23`	`AoA`	`annma : Debian 3.1r0a Sarge`
`22:32.34`	`Khaytsus`	`AoA: What's Sarge up to? 2.2 kernel yet?`
`22:32.35`	`litb`	`piggz, it really gives much more interactiveness to your linux kernel`
`22:32.41`	`annma`	`compiling on debian is a pain`
`22:32.52`	`Skrot`	`what?`
`22:32.55`	`Khaytsus`	`I imagine, since it's two years behind on everything.`
`22:32.59`	`Skrot`	`even I manage to compile on debian`
`22:33.02`	`annma`	`AoA: remove the hspell package altgether`
`22:33.05`	`Khaytsus`	`Debian is probably including KDE 2.1`
`22:33.06`	`litb`	`i aggre. if i compile on debian my whole system is ways slower`
`22:33.06`	`Skrot`	`can't be that hard :P`
`22:33.07`	`AoA`	`Khaytsus : 2.6.8`
`22:33.18`	`litb`	`the mouse hangs and nothing is usable anymore`
`22:33.22`	`annma`	`I remember it was a pain`
`22:33.35`	`annma`	`I dpn't remember why`
`22:33.37`	`Skrot`	`Not with konstruct though :)`
`22:33.50`	`annma`	`AoA: remove the hspell packages`
`22:33.54`	`Khaytsus`	`If I had disk space I would try Konstruct just to see how long it takes.`
`22:33.58`	`annma`	`reconfigure and make`
`22:34.12`	`annma`	`konstruct is good when it works`
`22:34.13`	`AoA`	`annm : I done that several times...`
`22:34.28`	`annma`	`AoA: you removed ALL hspell packages?`
`22:34.30`	`Skrot`	`Khaytsus: 2-3 hours to get the kdebase and kdelibs up with my 1.6GHz Centrino`
`22:34.38`	`annma`	`and not reinstall them, just forget about them`
`22:34.42`	`piggz`	`ive no choice to compile a kernel atm.....just got a new laptop and everything is working apart fom cardbus :(...im hoping a newer kernel than the mandirva one will work`
`22:34.42`	`AoA`	`annma : all I had installed`
`22:34.49`	`annma`	`spo now they are all gone?`
`22:34.53`	`annma`	`so`
`22:35.02`	`annma`	`AoA: you don't have them anymore?`
`22:35.07`	`AoA`	`no`
`22:35.33`	`annma`	`AoA: and you still have the hspell error?`
`22:35.48`	`AoA`	`o , yes, that is strande annma`
`22:36.01`	`annma`	`AoA: you have rto run configure again in kdelibs`
`22:36.06`	`annma`	`cd kdelibs`
`22:36.09`	`annma`	`./configure`
`22:36.12`	`annma`	`make`
`22:36.25`	`annma`	`do it that way to see`
`22:36.46`	`annma`	`konstruct is maybe good but you have no control`
`22:36.56`	`annma`	`and I don't knwo how it works`
`22:37.03`	`Khaytsus`	`annma: Noody does :(`
`22:37.09`	`annma`	`lol`
`22:37.12`	`litb`	`annme, yes. that's sooo right`
`22:37.18`	`piggz`	`oh, here is a good question....im working on my laptop, and have a session running on my pc...how can i take over the session on the pc remotely...freenx/vnc?`
`22:38.00`	`AoA`	`annma : than I have error that I dont have hspell.h`
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`22:38.31`	`annma`	`then your hspell is messed`
`22:38.40`	`annma`	`debian hspell is messed`
`22:38.52`	`annma`	`ask in #debian-kde, will you?`
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`22:39.19`	`litb`	`piggz, go to kcontrol and "internet & network". there is an entry "release workspace", or something liek that (german: "Arbeitsfläche freigeben")`
`22:39.49`	`annma`	`AoA: I am looking at what hspell I have`
`22:39.58`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: that is not an "error" that you do not have hspell.`
`22:40.00`	`annma`	`AoA: I have none!`
`22:40.02`	`annma`	`[annma@localhost lib]$ rpm -qa \|grep hspell`
`22:40.02`	`annma`	`[annma@localhost lib]$`
`22:40.10`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: that is an information.`
`22:40.23`	`annma`	`I remember it issued a warning but isn't this hspell a hebrew thing?`
`22:40.35`	`AoA`	`tstaerk\|KDE4 : It tells me that I dont have hspell.h and it stops`
`22:40.35`	`annma`	`I mean it does not seem to be something I use`
`22:40.53`	`AoA`	`annma : it is hebrew`
`22:40.54`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: yes! because it completed successfully.`
`22:40.55`	`annma`	`AoA: that's impossible, I don't have hspell and I configure kdelibs`
`22:41.08`	`annma`	`AoA: paste the exact message`
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`22:41.19`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`AoA: find it out: ./configure && echo "configure completed successfully"`
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`22:41.38`	`pinheiro00`	`hi guys`
`22:41.42`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`annma, this is no error, it is an information after configure`
`22:41.47`	`Khaytsus`	`heh`
`22:41.48`	`AoA`	`annma : whait I couple minutes`
`22:42.06`	`pinheiro00`	`need some help in building this package`
`22:42.09`	`annma`	`paste in pastebin, not there`
`22:42.10`	`pinheiro00`	`ksvg2`
`22:42.17`	`annma`	`pinheiro00: kdenonbeta?`
`22:42.22`	`pinheiro00`	`yes`
`22:42.25`	`annma`	`a beast`
`22:42.32`	`annma`	`what error? in pastebin`
`22:42.39`	`pinheiro00`	`KDE requires unsermake 0.4 for the moment`
`22:42.47`	`Skrot`	`wow. kat majorly fucked up here. kded crashes everytime the kat deamon starts`
`22:42.54`	`pinheiro00`	`i have unsermake instaled`
`22:43.04`	`Skrot`	`kde 3.5 with kat 0.6.4`
`22:43.50`	`annma`	`pinheiro00: ?`
`22:43.59`	`thiago`	`pinheiro00: where did you get unsermake from?`
`22:44.08`	`pinheiro00`	`rpm version`
`22:44.13`	`annma`	`pinheiro00: kdenonbeta can build with automake`
`22:44.17`	`thiago`	`pinheiro00: which version?`
`22:44.25`	`pinheiro00`	`0.49 i think`
`22:44.31`	`thiago`	`pinheiro00: I think not`
`22:44.38`	`pinheiro00`	`:)`
`22:44.42`	`pinheiro00`	`letme check`
`22:44.47`	`thiago`	`you're getting that error because you're using KDE 4's admin dir but not the latest unsemrake`
`22:44.52`	`annma`	`pinheiro00: do`
`22:44.57`	`annma`	`unsermake --version`
`22:45.15`	`annma`	`paste result`
`22:45.20`	`pinheiro00`	`gess ints not proply instaled`
`22:45.26`	`pinheiro00`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:45.33`	`pinheiro00`	`:$`
`22:46.09`	`thiago`	`your problem is kdenonbeta is deprecated`
`22:46.10`	`pinheiro00`	`i will try to reinstall it`
`22:46.15`	`thiago`	`no one changed the svn:externals property`
`22:46.29`	`pinheiro00`	`:(`
`22:46.52`	`thiago`	`go into it and svn sw`
`22:47.00`	`pinheiro00`	`its that i want to strat to play with the animated svg's stuf`
`22:47.15`	`pinheiro00`	`but my coding skils are exactly none`
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`22:47.34`	`pinheiro00`	`so copiling its prety hard stuf for me`
`22:47.54`	`pinheiro00`	`well that sounded strange :)`
`22:48.18`	`pinheiro00`	`building that is`
`22:49.02`	`annma`	`pinheiro00: will ksvg2 go into kde4?`
`22:49.12`	`pinheiro00`	`duno`
`22:49.28`	`pinheiro00`	`hopfuly this will be done in artur`
`22:50.00`	`pinheiro00`	`but that is not my areal so im probly sayng worng things`
`22:50.00`	`annma`	`qt 4.1?`
`22:50.06`	`pinheiro00`	`yep`
`22:50.07`	`annma`	`ok`
`22:50.15`	`annma`	`I want to know!`
`22:50.32`	`pinheiro00`	`mw to ;)`
`22:50.36`	`pinheiro00`	`me`
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`22:52.36`	`pinheiro00`	`this is strange the unsermake rpm i have here has no file in usr/bin`
`22:53.23`	`Em`	`i would like konqueror to use a certain view profile at every invocation. is there any way to do that ? (i'm trying to read the faq...)`
`22:54.02`	`thiago`	`Em: how about reading "konqueror --help" ?`
`22:54.20`	`thiago`	`:)`
`22:54.20`	`annma`	`Em: did you try in KOnqueror the Settings menu -> Save View Profile?`
`22:54.26`	`straw`	`hi Em`
`22:54.28`	`Em`	`thiago, well, i have... does that help me when i'm just clicking on the desktop ?`
`22:54.33`	`Em`	`hi straw`
`22:54.40`	`annma`	`Em: did you try in KOnqueror the Settings menu -> Save View Profile?`
`22:54.43`	`Em`	`annma, yeah, i have a nice profile all set up`
`22:54.44`	`thiago`	`Em: well, change your shortcut on the desktop`
`22:54.51`	`Em`	`folders.`
`22:55.00`	`thiago`	`Em: save the File Management profile then`
`22:55.08`	`annma`	`Em: so it's the shortcut which is wrong>`
`22:55.08`	`Em`	`it doesn't seem to remember what i tell it.`
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`22:55.56`	`Em`	`let me ask something else. could i alias 'konqueror' to 'konqueror --profile blah' ?`
`22:56.05`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`yes`
`22:56.07`	`annma`	`yes`
`22:56.14`	`Em`	`i'm going to try that.`
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`23:02.56`	`Kovecses`	`is there a kde app that copies dvd's`
`23:03.05`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`k3b`
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`23:03.31`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`so... emerge k3b ;)`
`23:03.46`	`Kovecses`	`see how easy gentoo is ... lol`
`23:03.53`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`;))`
`23:04.04`	`Gentle`	`though K3B knows nothing about decss`
`23:04.09`	`annma`	`;) don't forget to set some crazy flags first!`
`23:04.39`	`Kovecses`	`annma: why would i have to set flags for that.... you guys are lost`
`23:04.46`	`dr_wu`	`and if you get kde 3.5 emerged, let me know how you did it.. :)`
`23:05.06`	`Tm_T`	`;)`
`23:05.07`	`annma`	`lol`
`23:05.13`	`Kovecses`	`i have 3.5 emerged`
`23:05.14`	`Gentle`	`Kovecses, don't wonder about it, annma merely envies Gentoo users for their feature richness ;)`
`23:05.16`	`Kovecses`	`works great`
`23:05.34`	`dr_wu`	`ok, mind sharing? gentoo noob here..`
`23:05.36`	`Tm_T`	`hmm, spanky..`
`23:05.41`	`Tm_T`	`gentoo yuuuk`
`23:05.50`	`Tm_T`	`now I understand why annma was running`
`23:06.04`	`annma`	`yeap the whole channel is hijacked`
`23:06.05`	`Kovecses`	`dr_wu: kde 3.5 is in testing.. you have to unmask it`
`23:06.15`	`Kovecses`	`do this`
`23:06.16`	`annma`	`unmask emerge ebuild`
`23:06.23`	`annma`	`eKDE`
`23:06.48`	`Kovecses`	`no no no`
`23:06.58`	`annma`	`dr_wu: don't mind me`
`23:07.07`	`dr_wu`	`Kovecses- i gathered that.. I'm a bit leery of the whole unmask thing after a bout with e17.. :)`
`23:07.09`	`annma`	`maybe you can query each other,, gentoo guys`
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`23:07.17`	`dr_wu`	`thanks annma..`
`23:07.25`	`Kovecses`	`dr_wu: well thats becuase e17 sucks`
`23:07.28`	`annma`	`maybe you can set a #gentoo-kde chan`
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`23:07.35`	`dr_wu`	`ok..`
`23:07.57`	`Em`	`so yeah. i mean, even the changes i make to File Management seem forgotten each time i open a new window. it just ignores them.`
`23:08.00`	`Kovecses`	`damnit the link is down`
`23:08.04`	`Kovecses`	`lets see`
`23:08.27`	`annma`	`ok guys, #gentoo-kde exist so maybe all gentoo-related problems can move tehre`
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`23:08.54`	`Kovecses`	`gentoo doesnt have problems lol`
`23:08.59`	`dr_wu`	`its ok Kovecses.. no big deal.. thanks for looking into it.. :)`
`23:09.40`	`annma`	`all gento-relates issues or questions`
`23:09.57`	`annma`	`can move to #gentoo-kde THANKS`
`23:10.18`	`Kovecses`	`were not even talking about it`
`23:10.56`	`annma`	`e17 is a kde thing?`
`23:11.02`	`annma`	`I must have missed it`
`23:11.24`	`Kovecses`	`all snoody a-holes can move to #imtoogood`
`23:11.25`	`annma`	`because ubuntu is not kde based`
`23:11.33`	`Kovecses`	`kubuntu is though`
`23:11.47`	`annma`	`is there a #kubuntu?`
`23:11.52`	`Kovecses`	`sure is`
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`23:12.07`	`annma`	`well, #gentoo-kde was created to answer specific questions more easily`
`23:12.15`	`annma`	`like we have #debian-kde`
`23:12.36`	`annma`	`it's in the interest of Gentoo users`
`23:12.42`	`Kovecses`	`ok so then.... this channel shouldnt even exist in your mind`
`23:12.50`	`annma`	`there are very competent people in the chan`
`23:13.15`	`annma`	`Kovecses: I just say that for specific distro-related problems you might need specialists`
`23:13.26`	`annma`	`Gentoo specialists in kde set the #gentoo-kde`
`23:13.39`	`Gentle`	`Kovecses, in theory, this channel is for redirecting distro specific questions. In practice, it's for answering all questions except those depending on real distributions`
`23:13.57`	`annma`	`Kovecses: you can easily see I know nothing about Gentoo`
`23:14.10`	`bssteph`	`there are lots of questions that can be best served here, but ideally they have nothing to do with installation`
`23:14.23`	`bssteph`	`and there are lots of people who build their own kde, so they don't have an appropriate #distro-kde`
`23:14.25`	`Gentle`	`annma, you can easily see I know nothing about Ubuntu but still help them with any bugs they encounter`
`23:14.49`	`annma`	`Gentle: yes but specific stuff like unmask and all cannot be answered`
`23:15.20`	`annma`	`it depends on the question but usually Gentoo questions are more difficult to answer than other`
`23:15.26`	`Gentle`	`annma, well, I read up on apt just to be able to answer their questions`
`23:15.32`	`annma`	`we all know a bit of dpkg and rpm`
`23:15.51`	`Gentle`	`I have to admit I'm refusing to learn anything about rpms ;)`
`23:16.06`	`annma`	`Gentle: good! I mentioned #gentoo-kde but I was wrong`
`23:16.18`	`annma`	`forget about it`
`23:16.39`	`Kovecses`	`annma: no wonder you use debian your just as anal as all the rest of the people in #debian`
`23:16.49`	`annma`	`I don't use debian at all`
`23:17.04`	`annma`	`anyway`
`23:17.04`	`Gentle`	`"We don't server your kind" just isn't suitable for a DE channel`
`23:17.18`	`annma`	`I am off`
`23:17.29`	`annma`	`i;ll leave you in your paranoia`
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`23:17.47`	`tstaerk\|KDE4`	`good idea... bye`
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`23:25.39`	`screemo`	`hi there`
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`23:25.53`	`Kovecses`	`hello`
`23:26.06`	`screemo`	`how can I make kde offer shutdown/restart computer options for nonroot users ?`
`23:26.19`	`Kovecses`	`screemo: distro?`
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`23:26.34`	`screemo`	`Kovecses, dont kill me.... but its gentoo :)`
`23:26.45`	`Kovecses`	`why would i kill you`
`23:26.47`	`screemo`	`it aint to popular in here i know`
`23:26.48`	`Kovecses`	`lol`
`23:26.51`	`screemo`	`:)`
`23:27.00`	`Kovecses`	`yeah they already flamed me for using it`
`23:27.10`	`screemo`	`hehe`
`23:27.30`	`Kovecses`	`i didnt have to do anything special to allow a user to shutdown?`
`23:27.46`	`screemo`	`hmm, it might just be some permissions`
`23:27.50`	`screemo`	`although i'm not sure`
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`23:28.08`	`treat`	`i use gentoo`
`23:28.13`	`Kovecses`	`what groups did you put yourself in?`
`23:28.30`	`screemo`	`Kovecses, just about any group there is :)`
`23:28.35`	`screemo`	`close to root`
`23:28.36`	`Kovecses`	`hmm`
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`23:29.01`	`Kovecses`	`did you ask in #gentoo`
`23:29.14`	`Kovecses`	`or #gentoo-kde`
`23:29.18`	`screemo`	`nope, they often cant answer specific kde things`
`23:29.24`	`screemo`	`oh, didnt know that`
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`23:49.57`	`nuxil`	`hello people..`
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`23:51.15`	`nuxil`	`what files or where do i put stuff when i want to add a application to the menus.. not intressted in know the gui options..`
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`23:54.22`	`nondysjunction`	`hello`
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`23:55.20`	`nuxil`	`what file is the menu saved in.. where is the conf file`
`23:56.03`	`gregday`	`nuxil: it is not just one file`
`23:56.12`	`gregday`	`nuxil: you want to look in $KDEDIR/share/applnk`
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`23:58.05`	`nuxil`	`gregday thxz`
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`23:58.45`	`dnakata`	`eum, every single kioslave i have locks up X input whenever i try to .. use one`
`23:59.00`	`dnakata`	`for example: K => Run Command => file://<locks>`
`23:59.09`	`dnakata`	`or smb://calypso/<locks>`
`23:59.14`	`dnakata`	`or cvs://... etc.`
`23:59.27`	`dnakata`	`is there any good reason for this`
`23:59.43`	`dnakata`	`i'd tell you what version of kde i'm running, but, well, i can't. it'll lock up.`

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