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| 00:06.29 | CuteAlien | Hello! I'm using KDE 3.4.2. on kanotix. I'm searching for a way to change the language settings of a single application (kdevelop). Can you help me there? |
| 00:10.37 | grepper | CuteAlien: LANG=en_CA kdevelop doesn't work ? |
| 00:11.18 | CuteAlien | grepper - i'll try that - tnx |
| 00:11.27 | grepper | ok |
| 00:14.37 | CuteAlien | grepper, maybe i'm doing something wrong - but it still starts in german |
| 00:14.55 | Alethes | installing windows in qemu is comically slow |
| 00:14.59 | grepper | you have the language packs installed ? |
| 00:15.39 | grepper | for whatever language you are trying to use |
| 00:15.47 | CuteAlien | grepper, i think so - i can switch the complete system to english without problem using the controll center. |
| 00:15.49 | grepper | and you have the locale generated for it ? |
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| 00:17.52 | CuteAlien | not sure... i'm no unix guru yet :( I just added the language in the control center and typed in the LANG=en_CA in the console |
| 00:18.13 | annma | en_CA? |
| 00:18.36 | annma | you installed kde-i18n-en_CA package? |
| 00:18.41 | CuteAlien | i tried en_CA and en_US supposing that ca is for canada ;) |
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| 00:18.59 | annma | but do you have that package? |
| 00:19.11 | CuteAlien | one moment - i'm checking it right now |
| 00:19.14 | annma | it does not matter where you live, what matters is what is installed |
| 00:21.41 | g3nocide | using en_CA will give you all kinds of french shit happening, if you are english speaking, just go with the default us stuff |
| 00:22.29 | Alethes | why would "en_*" have anything to do with french? |
| 00:22.29 | Alethes | heh |
| 00:22.34 | CuteAlien | hm... apt-get kde-i* only shows the i18-engb, not sure why... but if i switch the system to english_us in the control center i get english menues so it should be installed |
| 00:22.41 | Alethes | canadian english would be more like using "colour" instead of "color" |
| 00:23.08 | CuteAlien | hrhr, like in wxWidgets :) |
| 00:23.14 | annma | Alethes: yes but you set en_CA only if you have it |
| 00:23.26 | annma | default en is en_US |
| 00:23.34 | annma | but there's also en_GB |
| 00:23.46 | Alethes | annma: I know, I'm just responding to g3nocide incorrect statement |
| 00:23.57 | Alethes | add a 's somewhere up there : |
| 00:23.59 | Alethes | :) |
| 00:24.07 | annma | ah ok |
| 00:24.26 | Alethes | I use en_US 'cause canadians misspell everything :P |
| 00:24.46 | CuteAlien | i'm currently puzzled because there seems to be no en_us package in debian or i just got blind :( |
| 00:24.51 | Alethes | I can tolerate colour and neighbor, but the one that's bugging me lately is "enrol" instead of "enroll" |
| 00:25.02 | annma | CuteAlien: maybe it's only en |
| 00:25.33 | CuteAlien | annma, i find engb - package before that is -el and behind is -eo |
| 00:27.16 | annma | in KControl -> Regional & accessibility |
| 00:27.32 | annma | Country/Region & Language |
| 00:27.45 | annma | what do you have here in the Languages field? |
| 00:27.57 | CuteAlien | german and US-English |
| 00:28.03 | annma | good |
| 00:28.06 | annma | I get it |
| 00:28.12 | annma | KDE_LANG=en kdevelop |
| 00:28.15 | annma | try that |
| 00:28.19 | annma | underscore |
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| 00:29.46 | CuteAlien | KDE_LANG=en_US worked - thanks a lot! |
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| 00:30.25 | annma | finally |
| 00:30.40 | annma | stupid of me, I had to check the var on the wiki |
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| 00:30.52 | annma | http://wiki.kdenews.org/tiki-index.php?page=Environment%20Variables |
| 00:32.28 | grepper | annma: strange, shouldn't it respect LANG if KDE_LANG isn't set ? |
| 00:32.53 | annma | grepper: not sure how it works but it should |
| 00:32.54 | grepper | not that I know too much about the issue being a 1 language person myself |
| 00:33.09 | grepper | hm, maybe kanotix set it then |
| 00:33.59 | CuteAlien | LANG is set here, KDE_LANG not |
| 00:34.09 | stodge | How do I delete teh table of contents from a kword document: |
| 00:34.38 | stodge | Never mind :) |
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| 00:43.08 | dz | is there any way to get a specific subwindow of a program (image windows in The GIMP, to be specific) to always open on screen 0 no matter what screen the program itself was started in? (gentoo, 3.4.1) |
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| 00:43.43 | annma | how would you achieve that? |
| 00:43.59 | annma | take Krita from KOffice and give it a dcop call |
| 00:44.12 | annma | but Gimp does not play dcop |
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| 00:44.41 | annma | dz: ask in #gimp |
| 00:44.47 | dz | annma: I have no idea, but I've got a guy on gimpnet saying that even though gimp does it manually, it's the window manager's job to do it automatically |
| 00:45.06 | Alethes | dz: it's a kwin thing, so it doesn't matter that it's not a kde app |
| 00:45.26 | annma | dz: if it's done automatically then you have it |
| 00:45.32 | dz | annma: it's not. |
| 00:45.41 | annma | so your guy lied? |
| 00:45.49 | Alethes | just right-click on the titlebar of the gimp window, go to Advanced, then to Special Window Settings |
| 00:46.12 | Alethes | the guy was right, annma |
| 00:46.15 | Alethes | it's a window manager thing |
| 00:46.19 | dz | Alethes: don't see anything to do with screen on there |
| 00:46.27 | annma | but not autoatic then |
| 00:46.45 | Alethes | dz: hang on |
| 00:46.58 | annma | anyway I use krita instead of gimp now |
| 00:47.15 | Alethes | dz: go to the Geometry tab |
| 00:47.22 | dz | and? |
| 00:47.23 | Alethes | then go to Desktop |
| 00:47.28 | Alethes | check it, then select force |
| 00:47.36 | dz | Alethes: do not confuse screen and desktop |
| 00:47.42 | Alethes | oh, I see |
| 00:47.49 | dz | two monitors, no xinerama |
| 00:47.52 | Alethes | gotcha |
| 00:47.59 | Alethes | misunderstood :) |
| 00:48.10 | Alethes | I've never had two monitors, so I'd be pretty useless in that regard |
| 00:48.35 | Alethes | hang on though |
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| 00:49.40 | Alethes | dz: I don't have gimp installed at the moment 'cause I just reinstalled, but hang on a sec |
| 00:51.18 | Alethes | --display display Use the designated X display. |
| 00:51.22 | Alethes | that's from the gimp man page |
| 00:51.32 | Dhraakellian | oooh... |
| 00:51.40 | Alethes | --display :0 |
| 00:51.43 | Alethes | I'd imagine, anyway |
| 00:51.48 | Dhraakellian | http://menueditor.mozdev.org/ |
| 00:51.57 | Dhraakellian | I now have Tools > Options back |
| 00:52.05 | Alethes | hehe |
| 00:52.09 | dz | Alethes: I'd think that's for everything |
| 00:52.11 | Dhraakellian | well, it's still "preferences", but it's at least in the right spot |
| 00:52.25 | Alethes | dz: you want just one window of the app on that screen? |
| 00:52.34 | dz | Alethes: yeah, that starts everything on :0.0 |
| 00:52.49 | dz | Alethes: yeah, I like having the tools and such on :0.1 |
| 00:52.55 | Alethes | right, makes sense |
| 00:53.08 | Alethes | that's gonna be pretty tough, I bet |
| 00:53.13 | annma | you're so neat, dz |
| 00:53.15 | Alethes | I can't remember a window manager that supports that |
| 00:53.31 | annma | why am I so messy and have I everything on the same desktop |
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| 00:53.52 | annma | while I have 4 dekstops |
| 00:53.56 | annma | I use just one |
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| 00:54.06 | dz | annma: basically because I like having all of my 19" monitor for the image, yet still being able to use the tool window and such at the same time |
| 00:54.11 | annma | dz: are you neat in real life as well? |
| 00:54.18 | dz | annma: heck no. :P |
| 00:54.28 | annma | ;) ok so you're an artist maybe |
| 00:54.33 | dz | mechanic |
| 00:54.35 | annma | an organized artist |
| 00:54.46 | annma | mechanic? |
| 00:54.58 | annma | witth Gimp, an artist? |
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| 00:55.11 | annma | ;) |
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| 00:59.36 | rutski89 | Has anyone here read this book: http://tinyurl.com/7v7ls ? |
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| 01:22.42 | Sgep | brb |
| 01:25.43 | straw | thiago: still around? http://tango-project.org |
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| 01:31.42 | Omniscientist | Hello, when I try to start arts it outputs to the terminal: unix_connect: Can't connect to server ...about four times, then it suspends after 60 seconds |
| 01:31.58 | Omniscientist | I'm not too sure what the problem is...started happening when i updated to 3.4 i think |
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| 01:51.04 | drzoot|laptop | in kword (1.4.2) what is the default font? when i started typing the font selector was empty, but then i needed to do some examples in courier and when i went to go back to te old font i realised i had no idea what it was |
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| 01:58.34 | madman91 | there is no default in kde.. its all creativity |
| 01:58.43 | madman91 | :D jk . no idea man but lemme pull up my kword |
| 01:59.35 | madman91 | lol actually i dont even have that/... downloading now though |
| 02:00.23 | frb | I would bet it uses "serif" or "sans-serif" |
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| 02:02.59 | Ertain | Has anyone ever seen a program that allows one to doodle a picture and then, at the same time, send the picture to the person? Maybe integrated into an IM program? |
| 02:03.09 | frb | can I have knotes default to On Top somehow? |
| 02:04.10 | benJIman | frb: kwin can match window class or app class |
| 02:04.54 | frb | benJIman: knotes have to decoration |
| 02:04.58 | benJIman | frb: click on the window then do the shortcut you have set to window operations menu (I have alt+space) then advanced -> special application settings |
| 02:05.01 | frb | (I wanted to go into that first) |
| 02:05.35 | benJIman | frb: I can't remember what the default kde shortcut is, check in kcontrol -> regional & accessability -> keyboard shortcuts -> window operations menu |
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| 02:20.07 | frb | how can I make all kb shortcuts back to default? |
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| 02:30.07 | Sgep | hiall |
| 02:30.17 | Sgep | Is it just me, or is konq a resource hog? |
| 02:30.33 | frb | define resource hog, how are you getting your info? |
| 02:30.42 | Sgep | Experience |
| 02:31.07 | Sgep | Slows down the comp, and also in the task list, it seems to take up the most cpu time |
| 02:32.18 | frb | compared to not running anything, yes konq will be slower |
| 02:32.41 | frb | as for CPU time, what defines most? nothing on my system uses more than about 3%, so konq using that much is nothing |
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| 02:40.04 | chuck_gr | is it possible to change the Kmenu icon and if so how? |
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| 02:42.47 | gemcat | is there a faq on using the icons to mount cd etc in kde |
| 02:44.40 | chuck_gr | gemcat, i dont know of a faq on it, i might be able to help |
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| 02:45.30 | frb | gemcat: it has a lot to do with your distro |
| 02:46.00 | gemcat | yes - I am running slack 9 & 10.2 |
| 02:46.47 | gemcat | i keep 'nearly' getting it to work |
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| 02:49.50 | gemcat | i want a working k3b too - but i am 50 hrs or so into the effort |
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| 03:00.10 | gemcat | chuck_gr, where do the kde icons reside? are they symlinks somewhere? |
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| 03:01.31 | Shdowhawk | i'm trying to install kde with no luck. latest error = can't build because a linguas needs to be set up. But i already added LINGUAS="en jp" in my make.conf. Any ideas? |
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| 03:10.03 | SMiLeaf | odd error |
| 03:10.20 | gemcat | thanks anyway |
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| 03:10.26 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 03:10.37 | SMiLeaf | come to think of it I don't even recall a LINGUAS being in the make.conf man page :/ |
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| 03:10.51 | Dhraakellian | talk.google.com and jabber.org keep disconnecting me |
| 03:11.03 | Dhraakellian | but kdetalk.net hasn't disconnected me yet |
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| 03:12.34 | SMiLeaf | jabber.org as I recall is for testing isn't it? |
| 03:13.20 | Sgep | Bye all |
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| 03:15.04 | jordo23 | How do you kill an application in KDE? |
| 03:15.46 | madpenguin8 | like you would any app |
| 03:16.28 | grepper | jordo23: if its misbehaving and won't exit from the menu, you can try ctrl-alt escape, or what ever your xkill shortcut is set to |
| 03:16.40 | thiago | or just click the X |
| 03:16.43 | grepper | then click on the window |
| 03:17.15 | frb | just click on the X |
| 03:17.22 | frb | if it isn't responding kwin will ask to kill it |
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| 03:35.01 | madman91 | how would i launch example firefox into all windows of pager? |
| 03:38.12 | grepper | r-click on the icon in taskbar -> to desktop-> all desktops |
| 03:38.23 | madman91 | thanks |
| 03:39.27 | madman91 | but i mean different instances.. so i launch 3 firefoxes ready to search independtly |
| 03:40.11 | frb | you could probably write a script to do it with dcop |
| 03:40.22 | frb | or much with the window class and set it up in kwin |
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| 03:42.50 | madpenguin8 | madman91: frb `kstart --alldesktops firefox` |
| 03:43.29 | madman91 | its actually mozilla-firefox but thanks ill try it h/o |
| 03:43.55 | madman91 | frb command not found |
| 03:44.06 | madpenguin8 | `kstart --alldesktops firefox` |
| 03:44.11 | madpenguin8 | heh |
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| 03:48.18 | chandoo | http://www.icarus.net/johnjo/evolutio.htm |
| 03:48.37 | chandoo | check the above link, programming evolution |
| 03:50.33 | grepper | madman91: you could use kstart to do that |
| 03:50.45 | sphex | hi. hey where are the files in the trash stored in the FS? |
| 03:51.18 | grepper | madman91: for desktop in 1 2 3; do kstart --windowclass "Firefox-bin" --desktop $desktop firefox;done |
| 03:52.06 | madman91 | wow.. any gui way that i can do this many times quick and easy? |
| 03:52.29 | grepper | make a shell script and link an icon to it ? |
| 03:59.12 | Pixels- | is there anyway to remove the trash can icon from the desktop? |
| 04:00.29 | Pixels- | because right now i have it set to show no icons |
| 04:00.33 | Pixels- | but thats annoying, lol |
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| 05:17.10 | kraln | Hey hey. |
| 05:17.24 | kraln | I'm running gentoo with 2.6.13r3 kernel, in 64bit mode |
| 05:17.46 | kraln | artsd keeps sigsegv'ing (this is kde, uh 3.4.1 release) |
| 05:18.05 | kraln | sound works, I'm pumping nectarine radio through amarok (directly to alsa) right now. |
| 05:18.11 | kraln | help? :) |
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| 05:25.24 | kraln | 184 idlers, eh? |
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| 05:46.15 | fatejudger | what is the name of the KDE startup folder that starts scripts when KDE runs? |
| 05:46.54 | Hobbsee | fatejudger: /home/user/.kde/autostart |
| 05:47.01 | fatejudger | Hobbsee: thanks |
| 05:47.22 | Hobbsee | no problems |
| 05:48.21 | chavo | it's Autostart if it's not there already fatejudger |
| 05:48.54 | chavo | upper case A |
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| 05:52.41 | kraln | can anyone help with arts? |
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| 05:57.30 | Hobbsee | kraln: not without more info |
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| 06:01.31 | Riddell | ** Kubuntu 5.10 http://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php ** |
| 06:03.47 | illogic-al | oo.o 2 was released? |
| 06:12.57 | kraln | so uh, any help with arts? |
| 06:13.37 | Hobbsee | kraln: not without more info |
| 06:13.47 | kraln | Hobbsee: what do you need? |
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| 06:13.58 | Hobbsee | well, what's wrong with it, etc |
| 06:14.10 | kraln | it keeps sigsegv'ing |
| 06:14.17 | kraln | repeatedly, over and over ;) |
| 06:15.29 | kraln | AWESOME |
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| 06:23.10 | lippel | kraln: self-compiled or installed from package? |
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| 06:26.05 | kraln | lippel: emerged |
| 06:26.13 | kraln | so, some from column a some from column b. |
| 06:26.24 | kraln | it uh, runs when I run it from the command line |
| 06:26.35 | kraln | but whenever kde's control center tries to 'test audio', it sigsegv |
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| 06:35.57 | Simpleguy | Hi, I have a problem on KDe 3.4.2. I can no longer create new connections in the "remote:/" IO-slave because the icon is no longer there. |
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| 06:45.19 | lippel | kraln: which gcc version? afaik arts has prorblems with e.g. gcc4 |
| 06:45.24 | lippel | gotta go |
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| 07:12.30 | arsin | does anyone have an idea how to configure kde to only allow applications maximize on a single monitor when running dual head |
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| 07:35.50 | Aji-Dahaka | are there "no scrollbar" themes for kde? |
| 07:41.07 | PhilRod | you can remove the scrollbar individually in lots of places |
| 07:41.15 | PhilRod | just not everywhere (that would be dumb) |
| 07:41.23 | Aji-Dahaka | konqueror is the one I'd like currently |
| 07:41.32 | PhilRod | well, maybe not dumb, but it might not be the best idea in the world, usability-wise |
| 07:42.16 | Aji-Dahaka | a 1px scrollbar would be alright, too, I guess |
| 07:42.25 | Aji-Dahaka | but the default ones are so thick |
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| 07:50.33 | Aji-Dahaka | huh, go figure, forum threads whining about the exact thing I'm trying to change being unchangeable via the gui (though it is in win32, I guess) |
| 07:52.05 | PhilRod | if that's all you want, grab the sources for some widget style and it's probably a few lines' change for what you want |
| 07:52.19 | PhilRod | put it up on kde-look.org and others can use it too |
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| 07:55.23 | Aji-Dahaka | a 0px scrollbar in the theme would do it, though an actual option would be better in the long run |
| 07:57.41 | PhilRod | overconfiguration, IMO, but you can report a wishlist if you want. Oh, in fact, you can probably have the configuration option per-style, so no need to report. Just create a style with that option |
| 08:01.06 | kraln | can anyone here help me with arts? it keeps sigsegv'ing |
| 08:02.06 | Aji-Dahaka | PhilRod: good idea :) |
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| 08:04.20 | Aji-Dahaka | PhilRod: it seems fonts and colours both have that lever of configuration, though...but definitely if the settings interface can be theme-dependent, it might be nice to make some themes simpler and some more flexible |
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| 08:11.55 | PhilRod | ~artstr |
| 08:11.58 | apt | it has been said that artstr is http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/sound.html |
| 08:12.03 | PhilRod | d'oh, he left |
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| 08:12.36 | PhilRod | Aji-Dahaka: did you already check on kde-look whether there are any styles that allow the level of configuration that you want? |
| 08:12.44 | Aji-Dahaka | ScrollBarExtent=20 |
| 08:12.58 | Aji-Dahaka | PhilRod: I tried with the search feature, but saw none |
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| 08:15.52 | insanekane | so, what happened to the hard disk list in media:/ in 3.5 ? |
| 08:16.33 | Aji-Dahaka | hmm, that setting didn't seem to do it |
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| 08:36.23 | jimmy_ | hi all |
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| 08:39.01 | PhilRod | hi jimmy_ |
| 08:39.54 | jimmy_ | is there an expert for kde4 here ? because i am trying to porting kgpg for kde4 |
| 08:39.58 | jimmy_ | ? |
| 08:40.10 | markey | #kde4-devel |
| 08:40.15 | jimmy_ | :-) |
| 08:40.18 | jimmy_ | ok |
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| 08:48.21 | insanekane | whats the standard POP3 port ? |
| 08:48.40 | HnZeKtO | grep pop /etc/services |
| 08:49.39 | insanekane | HnZeKtO: thx |
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| 09:00.33 | roger55 | what package is the kcontrol entry for remote desktop in? |
| 09:01.12 | roger55 | hi, btw ;) |
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| 09:07.15 | roger55 | Nevermind, I switched the language to german and just didn't know it was "Arbeitsflaeche freigeben". |
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| 09:28.20 | Doktoreas | are the graphical tool ofr remote desktop admin in kde? |
| 09:29.17 | roger55 | Doktoreas, if you mean krfb, yes. |
| 09:32.53 | Doktoreas | hi roger |
| 09:33.07 | Doktoreas | my problem is that i need to admin some pc of mine who are newbie to linux |
| 09:33.13 | Doktoreas | we got all dyn ip |
| 09:33.19 | Doktoreas | so ssh is not good |
| 09:33.35 | Doktoreas | any idea? |
| 09:34.04 | roger55 | use a dyndns.org adsress? |
| 09:34.08 | roger55 | er address |
| 09:34.09 | gobbe | use dyndns |
| 09:34.17 | gobbe | i'm too slow :( |
| 09:34.19 | roger55 | that's what I do. |
| 09:35.08 | Doktoreas | do you know if the client are in repository of kubuntu or ubuntu? |
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| 09:35.27 | roger55 | no idea. I use ddclient |
| 09:37.01 | jeh_work | kde 3.4.3 is out |
| 09:39.29 | HenkPoley | With KDE 3.4.2 when I opened a document in Kate from the commandline it would open in the existing Kate process. With 3.5 beta it opens anew Kate window (besides that, it blocks de commandline). How to revert to the previous behviour? |
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| 09:42.40 | HenkPoley | It kind of takes the joy out of using Kate.. |
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| 09:47.25 | insanekane | HenkPoley: maybe use the Kate DCOP ? |
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| 09:55.27 | HenkPoley | hmm, but still, why would they have removed this? |
| 09:55.35 | HenkPoley | I'll check out DCOP btw, insanekane |
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| 09:59.53 | HenkPoley | Somehow "dcop kate-12794 KateApplication openURL file://`pwd`/groupcp_info_body.tpl utf-8" is less neat.. |
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| 10:00.11 | eckhart | hi |
| 10:00.20 | eckhart | what's going on with http://www.kdetalk.net/ |
| 10:00.33 | HenkPoley | especially the dynamic part "kate-12794" is nasty.. |
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| 10:07.35 | kakalto | can I configure kopete to make a sound when I get a message? |
| 10:07.44 | ideafix | sure you can |
| 10:08.35 | kakalto | how? |
| 10:09.16 | kakalto | with a plugin, or is it in the base program? |
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| 10:11.08 | kakalto | hello??? |
| 10:11.35 | ideafix | i dont know |
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| 10:12.01 | kakalto | then how do you know it has that capability |
| 10:12.08 | kakalto | I can't find it |
| 10:12.19 | ideafix | if it hasnt you can code it your self |
| 10:12.22 | insanekane | kakalto: look for notifications |
| 10:12.32 | ideafix | just look at the source code |
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| 10:13.01 | insanekane | kakalto: settings->configure notifications |
| 10:13.08 | kakalto | thankyou! |
| 10:13.28 | kakalto | why aren't all options at a central point, though.... |
| 10:13.35 | insanekane | HenkPoley: i think, its because of sessions |
| 10:14.03 | insanekane | HenkPoley: also, i think there is a way to get the current instance of a particular program/service in DCOP ... i don't know exactly how ... but im sure you can do it easily in Python |
| 10:14.33 | insanekane | kakalto: actually, in KDE, almost all programs with a notifications also have a corresponding settings->configure notifications menu item |
| 10:14.35 | chess | just setting up colours |
| 10:15.08 | chess | green on black |
| 10:15.23 | ideafix | i hate kopete |
| 10:15.35 | kakalto | but, why not at the 'configure kopete' section? and why am I asking you? |
| 10:15.59 | kakalto | ideafix, good for you. I hate pretty much every IM program I've seen |
| 10:16.17 | ideafix | kopete is great to get your conversations logged by hackers |
| 10:16.42 | kakalto | heh |
| 10:17.04 | insanekane | ideafix: why do you say that ? |
| 10:17.13 | NullAcht15 | ideafix: Why? Is it more vulnerable in this reagrd than other IM clients? |
| 10:17.18 | HenkPoley | Hmm.. a good excuse to learn Python ;-) But I'd still like it to default to the default session (just as I specified with `kate -p`. Which doesn't help) |
| 10:18.06 | NullAcht15 | ideafix: If there is any substance to your claim, I'd really like to know about it |
| 10:18.24 | ideafix | you would |
| 10:18.24 | ideafix | ? |
| 10:18.35 | ideafix | why you a hackar wannbe ? |
| 10:18.35 | insanekane | HenkPoley: i think, you can use query for KateApplication service and then use the mainWindow() method on it |
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| 10:18.57 | insanekane | HenkPoley: i think, you already know most of Python already |
| 10:19.04 | NullAcht15 | ideafix: No, but I don't want to have _my_ private conversations logged by others |
| 10:19.20 | ideafix | good luck with that |
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| 10:19.49 | kakalto | ideafix, I don't suppose you could tell me why I think you're bs'ing |
| 10:19.51 | NullAcht15 | So I take it you just said that to stir up some mud/feelings against Kopete? |
| 10:20.31 | HenkPoley | insanekane: ? |
| 10:20.49 | insanekane | HenkPoley: ? |
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| 10:21.01 | HenkPoley | insanekane: " i think, you already know most of Python already" How come? |
| 10:21.13 | insanekane | HenkPoley: believe me ... you do |
| 10:21.16 | ideafix | mud feelings ? |
| 10:21.22 | insanekane | HenkPoley: i teach Python to compsci students |
| 10:21.52 | NullAcht15 | ideafix: I meant "to stir up some mud or to stir up feelings against kopete in particular" |
| 10:22.40 | ideafix | ever eard about the patriotic ack ? |
| 10:23.03 | insanekane | patriotic ack ? |
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| 10:23.11 | halcyonCorsair | should there be something in the topic about the release of KDE 3.4.3? http://www.kde.org/info/3.4.3.php |
| 10:23.15 | NullAcht15 | So, can you say something about why Kopete would be more vulnerable in this regard than other IM-clients or are you just spreading bs? |
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| 10:23.30 | NullAcht15 | ideafix: you mean patriot act? |
| 10:23.35 | StevenR | halcyonCorsair: there will be, when one of the ops reads their email |
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| 10:24.06 | insanekane | halcyonCorsair: you can change the topic yourself |
| 10:24.09 | NullAcht15 | I know that unencrypted communication is, in principle, interceptable |
| 10:24.21 | NullAcht15 | IM, Email, IRC, whatever |
| 10:24.26 | ideafix | patriot hack is more like thing are |
| 10:24.27 | *** topic/#kde by insanekane -> KDE 3.5 beta1 is out: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.5beta1.php | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ - The answer to your question might already be here! | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | New features in development versions: http://www.canllaith.org/articles.html | KDE 3.4.3 release http://www.kde |
| 10:24.27 | *** topic/#kde by ChanServ -> KDE 3.5 beta1 is out: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.5beta1.php | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ - The answer to your question might already be here! | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | New features in development versions: http://www.canllaith.org/articles.html |
| 10:24.31 | ideafix | patriot hack is more like thing are |
| 10:24.37 | ideafix | patriot hack is more like things really are |
| 10:24.41 | kakalto | wtf... |
| 10:25.14 | StevenR | insanekane: chanserv doesn't like you ;P |
| 10:25.18 | ideafix | nao we get rdif chips at supermarkets |
| 10:25.19 | insanekane | damn ... wrong channel :) |
| 10:25.20 | PhilRod | changing channel topic is restricted to operators |
| 10:25.23 | ideafix | thats cool too |
| 10:25.25 | insanekane | StevenR: i thought i was in #kubuntu :) |
| 10:25.39 | kakalto | hehe |
| 10:25.42 | StevenR | PhilRod: can you stick 3.4.3 in the topic pls? |
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| 10:26.46 | NullAcht15 | ideafix: okay, let's end this discussion, it's not leading anywhere. Yes, I know that any single person's rights to privacy are in a bad position with current legislation, but that doesn't say anything about kopete |
| 10:27.25 | kakalto | why do people bs >_> |
| 10:27.44 | *** mode/#kde [+o PhilRod] by ChanServ |
| 10:27.51 | kakalto | rhetorical question! |
| 10:28.25 | *** topic/#kde by PhilRod -> Latest releases: stable: 3.4.3, development: 3.5beta1. See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ - The answer to your question might already be here! | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | New features in development versions: http://www.canllaith.org/articles.html |
| 10:28.59 | NullAcht15 | why is this channel -t anyway, if people can't change the topic without ops anyway? |
| 10:29.22 | PhilRod | not sure. One of the other ops set it that way. I'll ask next time I see them |
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| 10:29.42 | *** mode/#kde [-o PhilRod] by PhilRod |
| 10:29.43 | ideafix | lol |
| 10:29.46 | ideafix | ownage |
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| 10:30.00 | ideafix | kde is non american :-) |
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| 10:30.49 | ideafix | anything non american is not patriotic |
| 10:31.16 | roger55 | PhilRod, can you take care of the troll as well? |
| 10:31.17 | PhilRod | ideafix: if you have something useful and coherent to say, go ahead. If not, stop trolling |
| 10:31.18 | insanekane | ideafix: thats nonsense |
| 10:31.34 | ideafix | you tell that to the NSA |
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| 10:32.24 | insanekane | ideafix: i doubt that the powers that be are really stupid enough to believe that ... of course, they may say that to *you*, but they don't really believe it |
| 10:33.07 | ideafix | its all about domination |
| 10:33.34 | ideafix | does DNS rings a bell ? |
| 10:33.34 | insanekane | ideafix: its always been about domination |
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| 10:33.55 | ideafix | thats what stupid folks think |
| 10:34.08 | NullAcht15 | come on guys, stop feeding the troll |
| 10:34.26 | ideafix | i bet hitler agreed you that opinion |
| 10:34.31 | The_Ball | where can i make kwallet ask if it should store passwords for a site after i have told it to ignore a site? |
| 10:34.37 | kakalto | It's not about domination, it's about knowing when to shut up...... |
| 10:34.42 | kakalto | *HINT HINT * |
| 10:35.04 | StevenR | The_Ball: maybe remove the entry for it in the wallet that says not to?? (not a wallet user so i'm guessing) |
| 10:35.09 | insanekane | The_Ball: maybe look around in the wallet window ? |
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| 10:35.57 | ideafix | so all this talk about free speech is about shuting up ? |
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| 10:36.28 | ideafix | lets them speel ... so we know who to shut up :-) |
| 10:36.32 | oGALAXYo | ideafix: no, we only save our resources for the GNOME crusade on various news sites :) |
| 10:37.32 | ideafix | could you translate that oGALAXYo ? |
| 10:37.53 | insanekane | ideafix: the idea with free speech is to know what to speak, and what not to speak, and not being forced to make a choice in that regard ... it doesnt mean blabbering whatever you feel like |
| 10:38.17 | ideafix | thats the way you see it |
| 10:38.26 | PhilRod | take it to #politics, please |
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| 10:38.40 | insanekane | PhilRod: sorry for the trouble |
| 10:38.57 | The_Ball | hi, did someone answer me just then? there is a thunderstorm and my computer rebootet |
| 10:39.08 | gravix | teh reboot! |
| 10:39.14 | gravix | teh rebootet! |
| 10:41.08 | ideafix | tell me im not having a discussion with some one niked insanekane ! |
| 10:41.53 | ideafix | insanekane: you can shut up all you want but your nick is kinda intrusive to me |
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| 10:45.54 | The_Ball | i don't know if anyone answered last time so ill ask again, how can i make kwallet ask to store password for all sites again? (after having used "never for this site") |
| 10:46.52 | *** mode/#kde [+o PhilRod] by ChanServ |
| 10:47.08 | gravix | i don't know :( |
| 10:47.17 | gravix | i have that problem to |
| 10:47.23 | StevenR | The_Ball: maybe remove the entry for it in the wallet that says not to?? (not a wallet user so i'm guessing) |
| 10:47.27 | insanekane | The_Ball: open the kwallet window and see if the site is mentioned there ... perhaps you can remove the saved setting |
| 10:47.35 | *** mode/#kde [+b *!*n=luser@*.cpe.netcabo.pt] by PhilRod |
| 10:47.35 | *** kick/#kde [ideafix!n=phil@dh41.chch.ox.ac.uk] by PhilRod (PhilRod) |
| 10:47.42 | PhilRod | much better |
| 10:48.03 | Tm_T | :( |
| 10:48.15 | Tm_T | hi &co |
| 10:48.22 | PhilRod | hi Tm_T |
| 10:48.56 | gravix | Tim Taylor! |
| 10:49.03 | Tm_T | gravix: :( |
| 10:49.13 | gravix | Tm_T: =( |
| 10:49.22 | Tm_T | it's quite good day, isn't it |
| 10:49.32 | gravix | i just had to drop a class :/ |
| 10:49.35 | The_Ball | StevenR, insanekane, yeah that sounds logical, but no, and no mention in the help pages |
| 10:49.36 | NullAcht15 | why the sudden sadness? |
| 10:50.02 | gravix | after the drop deadline :( |
| 10:50.05 | Tm_T | NullAcht15: maybe me? |
| 10:50.25 | Tm_T | gravix: cheer up, say cheeriiooooo :p |
| 10:50.26 | NullAcht15 | Tm_T: I was referring to your frownies |
| 10:50.29 | gravix | i'm not that sad though :) |
| 10:50.30 | insanekane | The_Ball: i have faced the problem before ... i should've sent a bug report regarding it :/ |
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| 10:50.55 | Tm_T | NullAcht15: nothing sudden sadness, I just don't like my back having pains |
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| 10:51.27 | Tm_T | but it's better than yesterday, so it's a good day :) |
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| 10:53.32 | akrus | well, can someone help me with sound module? |
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| 10:55.57 | dpy | hi guys |
| 10:56.37 | dpy | say, can anyone tell me if it is possible to have kate produce a list of functions in the sourcecode in some sort of floating panel, for easy navigation ? |
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| 10:57.01 | NullAcht15 | dpy: I think you're looking for kdevelop |
| 10:57.07 | dpy | no I'm not |
| 10:57.15 | dpy | I want only kate |
| 10:58.40 | insanekane | dpy: which language ? C++ ? |
| 10:59.12 | insanekane | dpy: if C++, then there is a plugin for that |
| 10:59.45 | dpy | only C++ ? |
| 10:59.52 | dpy | I want any language |
| 11:00.09 | dpy | I've just found something called autobookmarker |
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| 11:00.18 | dpy | is that the thing you are talking about ? |
| 11:00.36 | dpy | and if so, why didn't this guy implement regexps ? |
| 11:00.46 | dpy | so that I can give regexps for what I want to bookmark |
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| 11:04.33 | insanekane | dpy: err, no idea ? |
| 11:04.52 | dpy | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56407 |
| 11:05.08 | dpy | check this, it tells what I want, it's just unclear of its status |
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| 11:10.35 | oneforall | hi in the menu edit how can I add export MALLOC_CHECK=1 glabel |
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| 11:11.15 | oneforall | I tried MALLOC_CHECK=1 && glabel but that didn't work |
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| 11:12.18 | DexterF | hi |
| 11:12.40 | DexterF | is the kopete: icq doesnt sync server side contacts issue fixed in 3.4.3? |
| 11:12.45 | Solarius | Hi |
| 11:12.51 | DexterF | what about invisible lists? |
| 11:13.00 | Fanta | can anybody tell me why kmail does not accept a . infront of @ in the idendity tab ? |
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| 11:14.37 | Fanta | or where the file is wich holds the information about Idendities |
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| 11:18.11 | oneforall | export MALLOC_CHECK=1&&glabel man that doesn't work iether :( |
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| 11:18.17 | oneforall | workd from cli |
| 11:18.19 | PhilRod | oneforall: either wrap it all in a script and call the script, or try just "MALLOC_CHECK=1 glabel" |
| 11:18.35 | oneforall | ah ok thanks |
| 11:18.48 | PhilRod | oneforall: the menu probably doesn't start apps in a full shell, which is why && doesn't work |
| 11:19.29 | oneforall | got it loading but for some reason glables (even all my old ones freeze up when I try toload an image. something to new I have on my sustem I guess :) lib or something |
| 11:20.07 | dpy | is kdescripts removed from KDE4 ? |
| 11:20.49 | oneforall | oh MALLOC_CHECK=1 with no export eh |
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| 11:23.44 | oneforall | hmm could not find exort esxacutable |
| 11:23.50 | oneforall | exort/export |
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| 11:24.13 | PhilRod | yeah, it's not running your command in a shell (export is a bash builtin) |
| 11:24.38 | PhilRod | you could run "bash export MALLOC_CHECK=1 glabel" but you're getting into overkill |
| 11:25.40 | PhilRod | dpy: KDE 4 is way off. It might be removed at some time in the next year or so, who knows... |
| 11:25.58 | PhilRod | (ie, the answer to your question is "no-one knows, ask again in a year" |
| 11:27.47 | oneforall | weird that didn't work iether |
| 11:28.03 | PhilRod | wrap it in a script |
| 11:28.05 | PhilRod | !lunch |
| 11:28.25 | NullAcht15 | running "bash export something" won't do anything anyway |
| 11:29.03 | oneforall | #!/bin/bash export MALLOC_CHECK=1 glabel ? |
| 11:29.19 | NullAcht15 | It'll start a new shell, which will export something in its own context and then quit again so the exported variable is lost |
| 11:29.57 | oneforall | I tried the option for command line in manu editor and it opened up 2 glables :) |
| 11:30.18 | oneforall | had export MALLOC_CHECK=1 and left the glabel in the command line normal one |
| 11:31.43 | dpy | PhilRod: but it's broken in kde 3.4 |
| 11:32.14 | dpy | PhilRod: or maybe only kate + kdescripts is broken in kde 3.4, I don't know |
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| 11:35.56 | oneforall | darn have I not gotten that script right ? |
| 11:36.07 | oneforall | its still freezing :( |
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| 11:38.32 | oneforall | MALLOC_CHECK_=1 ahh |
| 11:38.34 | oneforall | _ |
| 11:38.58 | oneforall | thats why i want to add it so I can allways look there . bash is only good for a while :) |
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| 11:43.32 | oneforall | thanks |
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| 11:45.13 | dpy | any DCOP guru around ? |
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| 11:45.47 | dpy | is this possible: connect a signal to a slot via DCOP ? |
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| 11:48.17 | insanekane | dpy: i think, there are DCOP signals and you can listen for them |
| 11:48.30 | insanekane | but i don't think you can connect a DCOP signal to a Qt slot |
| 11:49.12 | dpy | damn |
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| 11:49.57 | dpy | I wanted to use bash to connect a kdialog signal to konsole to start a bashscript when I click on an item |
| 11:50.09 | dpy | but I don't think this is possible yet |
| 11:50.47 | sheldonh | how do i get more debugging info than "Could not connect to host ldaps://myhost:363." out of kontact? |
| 11:50.47 | dpy | does anyone here know Amiga (and ARexx) ? |
| 11:51.22 | dpy | dcop is kind of like ARexx |
| 11:51.53 | dpy | but on the amiga there was this extremely cool tool called MUIRexx, MUI was like a Qt for Amiga |
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| 11:52.37 | dpy | and MUIRexx would allow you to build GUIs in "bash" and then connect signals and slots (MUI had those too) as well and then you could do something |
| 11:52.57 | dpy | effectively this allowed you to code complex GUIs+Apps just in a bash like environment |
| 11:53.53 | dpy | I think I scared everyone off by mentioning Amiga |
| 11:54.01 | oGALAXYo | no you dont |
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| 11:54.18 | sheldonh | scared _me_ off :) |
| 11:54.20 | oGALAXYo | actually i was developer in the amiga area for over 12 years. |
| 11:54.30 | oGALAXYo | did asm programming for 12 years |
| 11:54.45 | oGALAXYo | wrote hardware close stuff, was distributor of ASM-One in germany. |
| 11:55.02 | oGALAXYo | i even got back to amiga not long ago (2 years ago) with the pegasos 2 system and MorphOS. |
| 11:55.15 | dpy | do you know what I was talking about ? because it was a completely other world (asm versus arexx scripting) |
| 11:55.17 | oGALAXYo | but realized how hatred the remaining bits of the amiga community was and decided to leave. |
| 11:55.28 | oGALAXYo | i also did arexx stuff. |
| 11:55.40 | oGALAXYo | http://www.akcaagac.com/index_risinghigh.html |
| 11:55.46 | oGALAXYo | that was my hardware monitor that i wrote. |
| 11:55.48 | dpy | don't you see the similarities between Arexx and dcop ? |
| 11:55.54 | oGALAXYo | http://www.akcaagac.com/index_tools.html |
| 11:55.55 | dpy | dcop is like the reinvention of the wheel |
| 11:56.00 | oGALAXYo | and here some other stuff i wrote for amiga. |
| 11:56.19 | insanekane | dpy: as is much else in computer science :) |
| 11:57.04 | oGALAXYo | but i consider amiga technology as old technology. |
| 11:57.08 | dpy | insanekane: It's a good thing, Arexx was really cool, the problem with DCOP is that people don't know about it, and programmers generally don't think about DCOP interface |
| 11:57.15 | oGALAXYo | it was supperior in its times but nowadays it doesnt make the cut anymore. |
| 11:57.17 | dpy | they only look at the gui, and the dcop is a mess |
| 11:57.30 | dpy | but this is mainly caused by the fact that no-one uses dcop |
| 11:57.31 | oGALAXYo | even morphos, amigaos4 and aros are weak copies of the old kick 3.1/wb3.1 |
| 11:57.34 | dpy | or most people don't |
| 11:57.54 | oGALAXYo | no memory protection is one of the problems around amiga |
| 11:58.01 | oGALAXYo | no central configuration system is another one. |
| 11:58.02 | dpy | oGALAXYo: agreed, but ARexx+MUI+MUIRexx was one hell of combination |
| 11:58.15 | oGALAXYo | still people dump stuff in s: or envarc: or progdir: |
| 11:58.27 | oGALAXYo | its a hell to backup your system correctly, and then also tooltypes and so on. |
| 11:58.31 | oGALAXYo | no homedir etc.. |
| 11:58.54 | dpy | okay, let's generally agree upon the fact that amiga is old technology |
| 11:59.13 | dpy | still it had some good things, that I see coming back in linux,kde etc.. |
| 11:59.15 | oGALAXYo | but i also agree that linux is full of shit even today. |
| 11:59.33 | dpy | nothing is perfect |
| 11:59.33 | oGALAXYo | a lot of hack, walk arounds, stuff like dbus/hal/udev.. |
| 11:59.44 | oGALAXYo | rather than having a good message system such as the exec with semaphores etc. |
| 12:00.07 | oGALAXYo | i think hurd is much closer to the amiga kernel from principles than linux with its monolythic approach. |
| 12:00.18 | oGALAXYo | but then, nothing is perfect. |
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| 12:00.45 | dpy | and the only reason it's perfect is because it's empty |
| 12:00.59 | oGALAXYo | but i like the fact that i only need to search in /etc and /home for my settings and that i only need to backup these two dirs and trash a whole system and have it setup from scratch without having config files spread all over the system such as amiga had. |
| 12:01.00 | dpy | anyway |
| 12:01.18 | dpy | I think it's time people become aware of DCOP |
| 12:01.23 | dpy | and its coolness factor |
| 12:01.35 | oGALAXYo | yeah, but there is this discussion with dbus atm |
| 12:01.38 | oGALAXYo | dbus vs. dcop |
| 12:01.45 | dpy | it's like what bash is for commandline tools, DCOP can be for gui tools |
| 12:01.57 | dpy | I don't know dbus |
| 12:02.16 | dpy | I don't care what the implementation is called |
| 12:02.30 | dpy | I only care about the philosophy of the idea behind |
| 12:02.40 | dpy | and the immense power it can give you |
| 12:15.41 | dpy | anyway |
| 12:15.49 | dpy | has anyone here used kommander ? |
| 12:15.59 | dpy | it seems like a tool to do graphical shell scripting |
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| 12:22.00 | bobuse | dpy: yes I've played a little with |
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| 12:22.44 | bobuse | It's cool too build dummy "graphical shell scripting" |
| 12:22.58 | dpy | it's not simple enough |
| 12:23.11 | dpy | you need to use a graphical gui builder |
| 12:23.39 | roger55 | isn't that the whole point of kommander? |
| 12:23.54 | bobuse | roger55: +1 |
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| 12:24.13 | bobuse | How build a GUI without build a GUI ? |
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| 12:24.38 | bobuse | Ha ok, you prefer write a .ui file from scratch ;-) |
| 12:24.40 | dpy | roger55: what I'm looking for is making a simple gui definition in xml, then constructing a gui with it |
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| 12:25.07 | bobuse | dpy: precise your need ... |
| 12:25.20 | roger55 | dpy, kommander writes an xml file iirc |
| 12:25.25 | bobuse | dpy: you would generate gui from another app ? |
| 12:26.03 | roger55 | all I ever used kommander for was create a virtual remote control. |
| 12:26.06 | dpy | e.g. I type: <Window><List id="foo"></List></Window> then later I can dcop my way to e.g. Window.List.foo and in a bash script fill it with items |
| 12:26.14 | roger55 | as in paint the gui and fill the buttons with meaning. |
| 12:26.31 | bobuse | I use python and pyQT for building simple dialog-based apps |
| 12:26.32 | roger55 | I know kommander can do more, but that was all I needed. |
| 12:26.35 | dpy | or I can do: <Window><Button onclick="helloworld.sh"></Button></Window> |
| 12:26.44 | dpy | when I click Button, helloworld.sh is executed |
| 12:26.48 | PhilRod | dpy: Qt uses XML .ui files to describe dialogs |
| 12:26.59 | dpy | have you seen how bloated these are ? |
| 12:27.01 | bobuse | dpy: try kdialog --help in a shell |
| 12:27.20 | dpy | I don't want to write 10K xml files for a simple window |
| 12:27.27 | dpy | kdialog is a bit too limited |
| 12:27.31 | dpy | I want something inbetween |
| 12:28.13 | bobuse | dpy: QTdesigner is very easy to use ... to build a window with a button or something else ... |
| 12:28.14 | dpy | maybe I'll hack something up with ruby |
| 12:28.14 | benJIman | what's wrong with kommandre? |
| 12:28.16 | dpy | one sec |
| 12:28.29 | dpy | or I mean: gimme one hour |
| 12:28.59 | bobuse | With kommander, you have just to edit the actions of a control and you have several built-in function to access other controls |
| 12:30.17 | bobuse | dpy: try try ... it's the best way ;-) |
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| 12:31.59 | dpy | bobuse: are you affiliated with kommander, orsomething ? |
| 12:32.56 | bobuse | dpy: no no, I've just tried ... I think it's pretty for non-specialist |
| 12:33.27 | bobuse | As i say before, I prefer for my personnal use other tool ... |
| 12:37.24 | PhilRod | dpy: you should also look at the Qt bindings for ruby, python, etc |
| 12:37.39 | PhilRod | I think ruby has KDE bindings too |
| 12:37.58 | dpy | PhilRod: I'm compiling korundum |
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| 12:38.35 | PhilRod | dpy: cool - good luck :-) |
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| 12:48.47 | lilalinux | does anybody know about 3.5 packages for debian/sid? |
| 12:49.42 | carmen | no idea, use the SVN ebuilds :) |
| 12:49.48 | carmen | check 'experimental'. or 'ubuntu' branches |
| 12:49.52 | carmen | they generally have newer shit |
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| 12:54.32 | pinotree | hello =) |
| 12:57.08 | lilalinux | experimental, hm, maybe |
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| 12:58.43 | dpy | libtool: link: AGE `92' is greater than the current interface number `3' <-- when compiling korundum |
| 12:58.50 | dpy | anyone knows what this means? |
| 13:00.25 | oGALAXYo | it means, something is broken. |
| 13:04.22 | dpy | obviously |
| 13:04.24 | dpy | but what |
| 13:06.00 | dpy | maybe I should have downloaded korundum 3.4.1 instead of 3.4.92 |
| 13:06.30 | dpy | or better yet: 3.4.0 since I'm on kde 3.4.0 |
| 13:06.43 | dpy | is there a kde 3.4.92 ? |
| 13:07.11 | PhilRod | kinda - it's the 3.5beta |
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| 13:07.26 | PhilRod | so, yes, you want korundum 3.4.0 or 3.4.1 |
| 13:07.28 | dpy | then I think I tried to build the wrong korundum release |
| 13:07.35 | PhilRod | heya pinotree :-) |
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| 13:16.14 | Cavallo | hi all |
| 13:16.22 | Cavallo | where I can set other language keyboard layout at KDE login ? |
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| 13:20.55 | Cavallo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.26 | roger55 | Cavallo, kcontrol --> regional accessibility --> keyboard ? |
| 13:22.42 | Cavallo | roger55: I already did that but there is no effect when I want to login in KDE. Only when Im in KDE this works. But I want this keyboard layout before KDE login in kdm etc. |
| 13:25.51 | roger55 | Cavallo, you want a different layout for X? |
| 13:28.19 | roger55 | Cavallo, if so you'd set that in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or with whatever distrotool you have. |
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| 13:34.16 | adamt | lol.. KDE2: Kandalfs useful tips.. nice tolkien stuff |
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| 13:34.22 | adamt | http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/large/kde2final_1.jpg |
| 13:35.10 | gelberg | have searched to no avail. just installed kubuntu. don't know much about kde. should kaffeine enable tv viewing or do i need to use xawtv? |
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| 13:35.49 | roger55 | gelberg, I prefer tvtime to watch tv. |
| 13:36.39 | roger55 | gelberg, I don't know if kaffeine does tv as well. http://kaffeine.sourceforge.net/ might tell you. |
| 13:36.42 | gelberg | roger55, right. but should kaffeine do it? this box is for my parents, and i want their (my) life to be as easy as possible |
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| 13:37.01 | gelberg | roger55, so you don't know the answer to my question, thanks anyway :) |
| 13:37.04 | roger55 | gelberg, I have no idea as I've never used kaffeine. |
| 13:37.38 | roger55 | gelberg, tvtime should be mum-safe. :) |
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| 13:38.05 | gelberg | roger55, you haven't met them :) |
| 13:38.14 | roger55 | but I have met tvtime. |
| 13:38.52 | roger55 | and I'm a huge fan of it, although I use mythtv currently. |
| 13:41.32 | gelberg | roger55, thanks |
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| 13:57.12 | vbhanu | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.21 | vbhanu | may be i have to chanege some kde settings |
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| 13:57.47 | vbhanu | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.53 | PhilRod | autocompletion is done from the history |
| 13:57.55 | annma | I don't think the mini cli offers completion |
| 13:58.04 | annma | yes, it keeps an history |
| 13:58.05 | PhilRod | unless suse have done some patching |
| 13:59.00 | roger55 | PhilRod, it shows in a dropdown thingie but not on the same line, which is what vbhanu wants. |
| 13:59.12 | vbhanu | PhilRod : patching where |
| 13:59.36 | annma | roger55: yes, that says it does not offer completion as he wants |
| 13:59.49 | annma | vbhanu: does Suse auto-complete? |
| 13:59.54 | annma | your sentence is not clear |
| 14:00.02 | vbhanu | annma : atleast suse 9.3 pro does |
| 14:00.13 | roger55 | vbhanu, in gnome or kde? |
| 14:00.20 | vbhanu | annma : i mean exactly what roger55 has said |
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| 14:00.45 | annma | vbhanu: so in Suse pro if you type fir it will auto-complete to firefox, right? |
| 14:00.59 | annma | this is not KDE shipped behaviour |
| 14:01.11 | vbhanu | yeah and fir is black in color while efox is say brown in color |
| 14:01.16 | annma | so if it is in Suse Pro they made a patch to get it |
| 14:01.37 | vbhanu | annma : it happens in gnome as well |
| 14:01.43 | annma | what is gnome? |
| 14:01.53 | roger55 | haha |
| 14:01.57 | vbhanu | annma : am shocked |
| 14:02.13 | vbhanu | annma : another desktop environment |
| 14:02.23 | vbhanu | annma : something like kde |
| 14:03.09 | annma | you run Alt-F2 on gnome? |
| 14:03.16 | annma | the kde alt-f2? |
| 14:03.21 | vbhanu | annma : yes |
| 14:03.39 | annma | on your suse? |
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| 14:03.51 | vbhanu | annma : not a big deal it just brings up the usual run command prompt |
| 14:04.06 | annma | I mean if alt-f2 has the completion it has it on kde and on gnome surely |
| 14:04.14 | vbhanu | annma : on suse also it is alt+f2 but the desktop env is kde |
| 14:04.27 | annma | vbhanu: what is your point here? |
| 14:04.59 | vbhanu | my first message : i want to do something like this: when i do alt+f2 i have to write the whole command say "firefox" while in SUSE if i write just fir....then it fills the rest, can i do that on my gentoo boz as well, if yes how |
| 14:05.14 | PhilRod | vbhanu: you can't, is the answer |
| 14:05.17 | PhilRod | basically |
| 14:05.35 | annma | vbhanu: we said that this is not alt-f2 behaviour, it's a Suse patch |
| 14:05.51 | annma | so you have it on Suse but not on gentoo |
| 14:06.02 | annma | not on kde from source |
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| 14:06.40 | vbhanu | PhilRod : hmm......the reason why asked this was that i was not sure of this, i thought it just might be some kde setting... |
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| 14:07.28 | vbhanu | PhilRod , annma , roger55 : thank you all |
| 14:07.29 | PhilRod | not that I know of |
| 14:07.42 | adamt | it is very possible vbhanu |
| 14:07.56 | adamt | right click in the box > text completion |
| 14:08.22 | carmen | eheh, how do you enable mouse gestures in konqueror? |
| 14:08.45 | PhilRod | adamt: ooooh! didn't think of that |
| 14:08.45 | annma | carmen: in KControl |
| 14:08.47 | vbhanu | adamt : hahah it is working |
| 14:08.54 | adamt | =) |
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| 14:09.05 | roger55 | adamt++ |
| 14:09.07 | adamt | same way to make it work in konqueror =) |
| 14:09.16 | vbhanu | adamt : thank you :)) |
| 14:09.27 | roger55 | bah kde has just too many hidden goodies ;) |
| 14:09.38 | adamt | no problem at all =) |
| 14:09.38 | carmen | ah, Kcontrol->Region & Accessibility->Input Actions->Konqueror Gestures |
| 14:09.49 | carmen | only 4 levels deep |
| 14:10.22 | vbhanu | roger55 : and we just unearthed one :) |
| 14:10.35 | annma | PhilRod: there's no Help in the mini cli |
| 14:12.16 | annma | the completion works for me for kde naes but not for mozilla-firefox |
| 14:13.37 | adamt | huh? you expected firefox could do the same? or what? |
| 14:13.49 | adamt | it only completes text that was entered earlier.. |
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| 14:27.35 | DexterF | how do I compile src which has a project.kdevelop file ? |
| 14:28.36 | PhilRod | ignore that file and use the configure/make stuff :-) |
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| 14:40.56 | oGALAXYo | heh wow just arrived from jogging. 1hrs 22min jogging. and then this evening 1.5 hrs karate ontop of that + 30 mins biking (to karate and back from it). |
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| 14:42.51 | da_bon_bon | how do i delete all custom menus ? i want to "reset" the menu to what was original |
| 14:42.58 | da_bon_bon | a package upgrade spoiled my menus |
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| 14:44.21 | da_bon_bon | or, can i have kde "rebuild" all the menus ? |
| 14:44.24 | da_bon_bon | i am on kde35b1 |
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| 14:48.02 | PhilRod | rename ~/.config and ~/.local |
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| 14:48.50 | da_bon_bon | PhilRod: i think the package upgrade messed the menus system wide |
| 14:49.00 | da_bon_bon | i want the menu to be system - wide rebuilt, if possible |
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| 14:50.30 | m-e-t_ | when starting kdm, only a small shell in the lower right corner appears, autamatically. how can i change this? |
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| 14:51.12 | annma | m-e-t_: how did you instll kde? |
| 14:51.18 | m-e-t_ | annma: gentoo portage |
| 14:51.33 | annma | all of kdebase? |
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| 14:51.39 | annma | or did you split? |
| 14:51.54 | m-e-t_ | annma: yes. it worked perfectly, but i changed the kernel and some things went wrong. |
| 14:52.09 | annma | m-e-t_: recompile then maybe |
| 14:52.11 | spiral | hi |
| 14:52.42 | annma | m-e-t_: ask in #gentoo |
| 14:52.58 | m-e-t_ | annma: can i just change a config file? it maybe a failsave session or something |
| 14:53.34 | annma | well I don't even know where gentoo put its stuff |
| 14:53.45 | da_bon_bon | is there an inbuilt kde option to rebuild menus ? to the way they originally were ? |
| 14:53.45 | m-e-t_ | /usr/kde/3.4 for me |
| 14:53.50 | da_bon_bon | ot any hackthat does it ? |
| 14:54.01 | annma | I cannot help with gentoo, m-e-t_ |
| 14:54.01 | da_bon_bon | m-e-t_: gentoo doent use /opt ? |
| 14:54.07 | m-e-t_ | da_bon_bon: no |
| 14:54.33 | da_bon_bon | ok. |
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| 14:59.11 | drzoot|laptop | when compiling qt is there a var i can export to tell it which compiler to use? |
| 14:59.31 | carmen | CC/CXX maybe |
| 14:59.37 | drzoot|laptop | ill try |
| 14:59.52 | da_bon_bon | drzoot|laptop: trying to use icc ? :) |
| 15:00.36 | drzoot|laptop | no, i just have deb unstable which has a default compiler of gcc 4.something which doesnt actually seem to compile anything cleanly |
| 15:00.51 | annma | did you install another gcc version? |
| 15:01.01 | drzoot|laptop | yeah ive got gcc-3.3 |
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| 15:01.10 | carmen | there might be a 'debian way' to set compiler. for ex on gentoo its eselect compiler list |
| 15:01.19 | annma | I heard that gcc4 from debian has problem |
| 15:01.30 | firestorm | Hi. Can somebody recommend me a good MP3/Wave player? I'm sick of xmms being unreliable |
| 15:01.33 | carmen | 4.0.2 compiles most everything these days |
| 15:01.35 | carmen | firestorm: amarok |
| 15:01.50 | da_bon_bon | amaroK is great :) |
| 15:01.56 | annma | I use 4.0.1 from mandriva and it compiles anything |
| 15:02.08 | da_bon_bon | drzoot|laptop: gcc4 compiles kde on my debian install |
| 15:02.14 | da_bon_bon | but debian testing |
| 15:02.21 | annma | drzoot|laptop: what version is gcc from debian? |
| 15:02.23 | firestorm | carmen: thanks :) |
| 15:02.45 | annma | firestorm: also jK is quite good |
| 15:02.58 | annma | less CPU and mem demanding than amaroK |
| 15:03.00 | da_bon_bon | annma: on testing -- 4.0.1 |
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| 15:03.20 | annma | and unstable? |
| 15:03.35 | drzoot|laptop | annma: unstable |
| 15:03.45 | PhilRod | firestorm: depends what you want. Juk is a nice tagger, and quite minimal. I love it. Many love amarok, which has bazillions of features :-) |
| 15:04.07 | PhilRod | juk's "album random play" feature makes the difference for me |
| 15:04.09 | firestorm | PhilRod: something that plain works :) think I'll go with amarok |
| 15:04.23 | drzoot|laptop | annma: it might be something else, it falls apart on the very first file of qmake "project.cpp" |
| 15:04.43 | annma | drzoot|laptop: paste the first error line |
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| 15:06.27 | adamt | annma: amarok doesn't utilize many cpu-ressources by itself |
| 15:06.38 | adamt | it would be xine, arts.. etc instead |
| 15:06.52 | annma | juK uses arts as well |
| 15:06.52 | da_bon_bon | annma: mostly 4.0.1 -- but i dont know latest -- it might even be 4.0.2 |
| 15:07.17 | annma | adamt: amarokapp is above firefox on my system |
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| 15:07.29 | drzoot|laptop | annma: its on another comp so i cant paste but the error is 'in file included from project.cpp:36, project.h:39:25 error: qstringlist.h: no such file or directory' |
| 15:07.35 | adamt | 0% cpu usage here |
| 15:07.44 | adamt | but ~50MB og ram used |
| 15:07.48 | annma | drzoot|laptop: is it while compiling qt? |
| 15:08.01 | da_bon_bon | drzoot|laptop: this may seem n00bie but did you do "apt-get build-deps qt kdebase" ? |
| 15:08.01 | firestorm | adamt: 50MB RAM just for a music player? |
| 15:08.04 | DaSkreech | Can Kontact export to LDIF? |
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| 15:08.25 | drzoot|laptop | annma: i get the error when i type ./configure in the qt dir |
| 15:08.32 | annma | oh man |
| 15:08.44 | carmen | sousdn broken |
| 15:08.45 | annma | drzoot|laptop: what qt did you get? where? |
| 15:08.50 | carmen | why are you building QT on debian? |
| 15:08.52 | carmen | just use theirs |
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| 15:08.54 | adamt | firestorm: it's fair, no slowdowns so far as i can tell.. but ehm.. lol.. i'm using 500MB ram + 300MB swap.. something must have a mem-leak :P |
| 15:09.13 | annma | carmen: shhh, he can do that for multiple reasons |
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| 15:09.18 | blub_i | hi all |
| 15:09.25 | drzoot|laptop | i got qt-copy from /home/kde/branches/qt/3.3 |
| 15:09.31 | annma | ok |
| 15:09.43 | annma | drzoot|laptop: now read README.qt-copy |
| 15:09.51 | annma | and follow exactly the instructions |
| 15:09.59 | pinotree | like a medicine |
| 15:10.02 | annma | yes |
| 15:10.03 | SuperLag | annma: does KDE come with any nice GUI tools to use for a front end to create a MySQL database? |
| 15:10.08 | adamt | X: VmSize: 188.792 - that can't be normal |
| 15:10.11 | blub_i | can anyone tell me how to disable the first startup of the "Desktop Settings Wizzard" when a user logs into KDE the first time? |
| 15:10.19 | annma | SuperLag: of course, any widget you want we have it |
| 15:10.23 | carmen | drzoot|laptop: gentoo has some nice ebuilds that do KDE/Qt from SVN. also theres a script kdesvn-build you might want to look into |
| 15:10.31 | blub_i | I want the "Desktop Settings Wizzard" not to start at the first login |
| 15:10.35 | annma | carmen: he can do it by himself |
| 15:10.41 | carmen | drzoot|laptop: the kdesvn-build script will work even without portage (although it might be worth installing portage just for them) |
| 15:10.45 | annma | we devels always do that, carmen |
| 15:10.48 | carmen | annma: sure, but why make more work |
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| 15:10.52 | SuperLag | annma: now you sound like a snake oil salesman :) |
| 15:10.59 | annma | to be more intelligent, carmen |
| 15:11.02 | carmen | kdesvn-build script has never failed QT for me :) |
| 15:11.03 | annma | SuperLag: ;) |
| 15:11.07 | SuperLag | carmen: annma isn't a Gentoo fan |
| 15:11.18 | carmen | what, learning how to debug autotools issues increases intelligenc/ |
| 15:11.21 | annma | SuperLag: the guy has debian anyway |
| 15:11.25 | carmen | woo, let me go read my aclocal.m4 book another few times |
| 15:11.33 | SuperLag | annma: :P |
| 15:11.34 | annma | so can you use a gentoo ebuild on debian? |
| 15:11.35 | DaSkreech | Anyone uses Kontact? |
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| 15:12.00 | annma | DaSkreech: #kontact might be better |
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| 15:12.17 | DaSkreech | Huh |
| 15:12.28 | annma | SuperLag: you have gentoo? |
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| 15:12.31 | DaSkreech | I went there yesterday and there was like two people |
| 15:12.39 | DaSkreech | annma: Thanks |
| 15:12.50 | annma | SuperLag: a user upgraded his kernel and now kdm is messed, what should he do |
| 15:13.02 | annma | DaSkreech: sorry then, ask there |
| 15:13.21 | blub_i | isn't there any config-file to disable this wizar? |
| 15:14.05 | annma | blub_i: t is called kpersonalizer |
| 15:14.15 | annma | did you look in kcontrol? |
| 15:14.36 | blub_i | annma: jupp exact this thing I dont want to startup |
| 15:15.04 | annma | you don't want to start anything but you don't want kpersonalizer |
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| 15:15.11 | blub_i | annma: because it screws up because my homdir is on a smb share |
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| 15:16.12 | blub_i | annma: The first time a user logs in his homdir is mountet via pam_mount... ant the kpersonalizer complains that kdeglobals and kpersonalizer can not be saved |
| 15:16.13 | annma | blub_i: before running startx try kdekillall kpersonalizer maybe |
| 15:16.14 | drzoot|laptop | blub_i: why is your homedrive on an smb share?? just out of curiosity |
| 15:16.24 | annma | blub_i: ah you were here before |
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| 15:16.30 | blub_i | drzoot|laptop: Doamin with 7000 Users |
| 15:16.36 | blub_i | annma: jupp |
| 15:16.37 | wilsby | howto debug kde3.4 io slaves? |
| 15:16.44 | drzoot|laptop | blub_i: yeah okay that seems fair |
| 15:16.45 | annma | blub_i: see what I said, try |
| 15:17.02 | blub_i | annma: mmmh, the users log in via kdm |
| 15:17.12 | wilsby | my media ioslave pics up my usb pen drives and cds, etc. |
| 15:17.27 | wilsby | Hald automatically mounts/unmounts everthing. |
| 15:17.48 | wilsby | kde shows me the icons but does not thing the device is mounted. |
| 15:17.58 | annma | blub_i: you don't use kiosk ? |
| 15:18.04 | blub_i | annma: so isn't there just a switch or anything to use just the default without that damn thing :-) |
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| 15:18.09 | blub_i | annma: whats kiosk |
| 15:18.14 | annma | a switch when? |
| 15:18.21 | wilsby | is there explanation on howto configure kde with dbus/hald/media io slave |
| 15:18.24 | annma | when do you want to use a switch? |
| 15:18.53 | blub_i | annma: with a switch I just mean an option to tell kpersonalizer not to start |
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| 15:19.35 | blub_i | kde runs fine even it complains the first time about a not running DCOPserver, but the second login it works... except the personalizer |
| 15:20.48 | blub_i | what crap do I write? I have to eat something.... |
| 15:21.07 | annma | an option to be issued when? |
| 15:21.22 | blub_i | no matter when |
| 15:21.32 | annma | this is what I don't get versus kdekillall kpersonalizer |
| 15:21.35 | blub_i | just it does not start at the first login of the user |
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| 15:21.38 | annma | this is an option |
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| 15:22.31 | blub_i | annma: Here's the scenario: I boot the machine, the user logs on vie KDM the first time. --> "Desktop setting wizard" (kpersonalizer) pops up |
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| 15:22.55 | annma | you cannot control what happens before kdm? |
| 15:22.58 | blub_i | and I just dont want it to pop up, because it screws the logon |
| 15:23.03 | annma | I get that |
| 15:23.22 | blub_i | jes, but it happens after KDM |
| 15:23.23 | annma | just log out from kdm and kill the wizard |
| 15:23.38 | blub_i | aaaah, the USERS are nooobs |
| 15:23.45 | blub_i | the kant do anything |
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| 15:23.58 | annma | is it 1 machine or several machines? |
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| 15:24.09 | blub_i | 24 Clients with 7000 Users |
| 15:24.26 | blub_i | and I cant tell 7000 Users to just logout and kill that bastard |
| 15:25.04 | annma | you cannot add kdekillall kpersonalizer somewherein a script when the machine boots> |
| 15:25.29 | annma | when it startx X, it starts KDE |
| 15:25.35 | annma | just kill it there |
| 15:25.47 | PhilRod | to stop kpersonalizer running, you can just edit $(kde-config --prefix)/bin/startkde |
| 15:25.57 | annma | yes |
| 15:26.00 | annma | better said |
| 15:26.01 | PhilRod | or write the config entry that it's looking for (see startkde) |
| 15:26.02 | blub_i | it starts KDM not kde, doesn' it? |
| 15:26.16 | annma | blub_i: just read that and try it |
| 15:26.21 | annma | what PhilRod said |
| 15:26.37 | blub_i | PhilRod: that sounds good, where can I find moer information to accomplish that |
| 15:26.49 | PhilRod | I didn't read the whole backlog, so I'm jst randomly guessing solutions based on the part I saw :-) |
| 15:26.56 | PhilRod | blub_i: the startkde script :-) |
| 15:27.02 | PhilRod | in $KDEDIR/bin |
| 15:27.27 | PhilRod | we should teach apt about KDEDIR. Someone remind me to do that (or do it yourself :-) |
| 15:27.31 | PhilRod | !out |
| 15:27.44 | bc-bd | !in |
| 15:27.49 | bc-bd | PhilRod: what are we playing? |
| 15:28.17 | blub_i | found it |
| 15:28.18 | blub_i | # run KPersonalizer before the session, if this is the first login |
| 15:28.27 | blub_i | gonna comment out that part |
| 15:28.33 | blub_i | hope it works |
| 15:29.05 | annma | see |
| 15:29.15 | blub_i | thx a lot! |
| 15:29.25 | blub_i | I think that should fix all my problems |
| 15:29.41 | blub_i | and thanks for the KIOSK hint! |
| 15:29.49 | blub_i | gonna compile that asap |
| 15:31.06 | DaSkreech | Is adept a Kubuntu derived app? |
| 15:31.28 | annma | it is developed in kde repository |
| 15:31.40 | annma | by a kde devel |
| 15:31.51 | blub_i | CU all and thnks! |
| 15:31.52 | annma | so it'll be for all debian flavours |
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| 15:43.23 | asdasd | hey |
| 15:43.35 | asdasd | having some trouble with kde headers |
| 15:43.55 | asdasd | when I try to grab them in debian, it says I need to update kspy |
| 15:44.06 | asdasd | but when I try to update kspy it says it is at the current version |
| 15:44.11 | annma | kspy? |
| 15:44.19 | annma | ask all that in #debian-kde |
| 15:44.30 | annma | read the topic in that channel and the FAQ |
| 15:44.31 | asdasd | ta |
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| 15:49.18 | schloob | anyone know how i can get `kuake' to not show up in alt-tab? |
| 15:49.51 | DaSkreech | Hmm |
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| 15:55.17 | adamt | schloob: i'm pretty sure that is possible |
| 15:55.50 | adamt | after all, kde can make specifik settings for a single app, such as hiding from the taskbar and such |
| 15:56.40 | adamt | you could switch to YaKuake instead, it's actually maintained.. and only show up if it's activated |
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| 15:58.06 | drzoot|laptop | anyone know off the top of their head how big (roughly) a full checkout of a version (3.4) of kde is? |
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| 15:59.46 | schloob | adamt: i found it out, i overrode the window type to be a toolbar |
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| 16:28.10 | RichardP | Hi, theres a game thats included with KDE (or was), about invading worlds and building up a galatic empire. any idea what it was called? |
| 16:28.19 | frb | konquest? |
| 16:28.37 | DaSkreech | xKobo! |
| 16:28.46 | DaSkreech | naw it was konquest |
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| 16:28.57 | RichardP | thanks :) |
| 16:29.25 | madman91 | any kde programs that run auto backups... but only copy over the changes? |
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| 16:29.41 | frb | does kde have a program tht lets me adjust the colors on my monitor? |
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| 16:33.04 | drzoot|laptop | frb: what kind of graphics card? |
| 16:33.25 | frb | ati mobility M7 |
| 16:33.56 | frb | the other is a neomagic 256AV |
| 16:34.20 | frb | neither looks even close to the Mac on my desk, or the machine on the designer's desk |
| 16:34.52 | madman91 | any auto backuppers? |
| 16:34.52 | drzoot|laptop | theres a program that comes with the ati drivers called fireglcontrolpanel that will let you adjust rgb balance |
| 16:35.10 | drzoot|laptop | i have no idea about the neomagic 256av though |
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| 16:36.34 | drzoot|laptop | the ati program isnt a kde app but it does use the qt libs so it fits in fairly well |
| 16:38.24 | frb | my card is too old to use the ati drivers |
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| 17:28.13 | lilpyro725 | Where is the option to only show tasks in the taskbar on the current desktop? |
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| 17:29.13 | pinotree | lilpyro725: kcontrol -> desktop -> panel -> tasks -> show only app in the current desktop |
| 17:29.18 | pinotree | or something like that... |
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| 17:29.48 | roger55 | or uncheck show tasks from all desktops. |
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| 17:32.22 | lilpyro725 | I don't have a "Task" tab in Panel |
| 17:32.49 | pinotree | ok, let's be precise... |
| 17:33.23 | pinotree | lilpyro725: kcontrol -> desktop -> taskbar -> show windows from all desktops |
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| 17:33.45 | lilpyro725 | I don't have a taskbar inside of kcontrol -> desktop either |
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| 17:34.28 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 17:34.53 | elvirolo | if i start konqueror as root and changer ownershippermissions on a file/directory, it doesn't work ... |
| 17:35.08 | annma | what happens? |
| 17:35.21 | elvirolo | well, i click ok |
| 17:35.24 | lilpyro725 | pinotree, http://supermancantwalk.com/snapshot2.png |
| 17:35.28 | pinotree | explodes? :-D |
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| 17:35.51 | elvirolo | and then right click => properties and the ownership hasn't changefd |
| 17:35.56 | elvirolo | changed* |
| 17:36.24 | annma | how do you start konqueror as root? |
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| 17:36.51 | elvirolo | sudo konqueror |
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| 17:43.43 | roger55 | elvirolo, can you change it with chown? |
| 17:43.56 | roger55 | elvirolo, if not your filesystem might be broken. |
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| 17:46.38 | elvirolo | roger55: yeah i can |
| 17:47.12 | roger55 | elvirolo, try kdesu konqueror ? |
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| 17:47.41 | elvirolo | roger55: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
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| 17:47.44 | elvirolo | :( |
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| 17:48.09 | roger55 | elvirolo, kdesu konqueror as your user |
| 17:48.51 | annma | elvirolo: as your user, in the K menu -> System you can run konqueror as root |
| 17:49.07 | elvirolo | nope doesn't work |
| 17:49.24 | annma | elvirolo: what I said does not work? |
| 17:49.36 | elvirolo | no sry roger55 |
| 17:49.44 | annma | try what I said |
| 17:49.50 | elvirolo | i can't find the entry you're talking about |
| 17:49.53 | annma | log into KDE as your user |
| 17:49.59 | annma | what diestro is that? |
| 17:50.31 | elvirolo | ubuntu breezy |
| 17:50.42 | annma | do you have K menu -> System? |
| 17:51.03 | annma | are you in kde as a user (non root) |
| 17:51.05 | elvirolo | yup |
| 17:51.10 | elvirolo | yuo :) |
| 17:51.12 | annma | then More Applications |
| 17:51.14 | elvirolo | yup* |
| 17:51.22 | annma | then File Manager (as root) |
| 17:51.22 | elvirolo | i don't have that |
| 17:51.26 | annma | come on |
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| 17:51.40 | annma | File Manager (super user mode) |
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| 17:51.52 | annma | complain to #ubuntu then |
| 17:51.56 | roger55 | elvirolo, ask in an ubuntu channel |
| 17:51.58 | annma | KDE ships like that |
| 17:52.00 | elvirolo | i already have |
| 17:52.04 | annma | I have KDE from source |
| 17:52.07 | annma | ask again |
| 17:52.12 | elvirolo | their menu mangement is dodgy |
| 17:52.18 | elvirolo | and they don't care |
| 17:52.21 | annma | your install seems dodgy as well |
| 17:52.25 | annma | try KUbuntu |
| 17:52.32 | lilpyro725 | lol its like my problem I don't have taskbar inside of kcontrol -> desktop which I am thinking I really should |
| 17:52.36 | elvirolo | yeah it's what i'm using |
| 17:52.37 | annma | they don't care as they favour gnome |
| 17:52.44 | annma | you said ubuntu |
| 17:52.53 | annma | ubuntu is not kubuntu |
| 17:52.58 | elvirolo | yeah sry |
| 17:53.15 | annma | so |
| 17:53.17 | annma | as a user |
| 17:53.27 | annma | in konsole (do you have konsole?) |
| 17:53.34 | elvirolo | yeah :-D |
| 17:53.39 | annma | type su |
| 17:53.43 | annma | what happens? |
| 17:54.44 | elvirolo | well i can log into root account although it is not enabled by default |
| 17:54.54 | roger55 | elvirolo, what version of kde is that? |
| 17:55.24 | annma | elvirolo: su in konsole, you are now root or no? |
| 17:55.32 | annma | can you answer precisely please? |
| 17:55.46 | elvirolo | annma: yes (confirmed by whoami) |
| 17:55.55 | elvirolo | roger55: 3.5 beta 1 |
| 17:55.59 | annma | so now |
| 17:56.06 | annma | do you know where KDE is installed? |
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| 17:56.23 | jhutchins | annma: $KDEHOME? |
| 17:56.31 | annma | installed, jhutchins |
| 17:56.32 | elvirolo | annma: no but i can find out |
| 17:56.48 | annma | elvirolo: find out then type /path/to/kde/bin/koqueror |
| 17:56.52 | annma | konqueror |
| 17:57.05 | annma | then you have konqueror as root |
| 17:57.17 | elvirolo | nope |
| 17:57.23 | annma | nope? |
| 17:57.27 | annma | why nope? |
| 17:57.28 | elvirolo | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 17:57.35 | elvirolo | this is what i get |
| 17:57.35 | annma | fix your system then |
| 17:57.43 | annma | this is not kde stuff |
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| 17:58.17 | roger55 | elvirolo, cp /home/username/.Xauthority /root/ |
| 17:58.28 | roger55 | elvirolo, then start konqueror again |
| 17:59.01 | elvirolo | roger55: great it works :) |
| 17:59.18 | annma | now make your changes |
| 18:00.25 | elvirolo | yeah it works |
| 18:00.27 | elvirolo | thanks guys |
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| 18:00.38 | elvirolo | interesting, works with su but not with sudo |
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| 18:03.48 | markey | re |
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| 18:08.55 | ezu5t | i just tried building the latest kdelibs4 snapshot and got syntax errors in editorchooser.cpp like so: http://lazarus.oddiofile.com/moin/Questions/KDE4 |
| 18:09.10 | ezu5t | is there something I"m doing wrong? |
| 18:09.11 | annma | what do you build it with? |
| 18:09.32 | ezu5t | i downloaded unsermake, but I typed "make" |
| 18:09.36 | ezu5t | it seemed to run unsermake though |
| 18:09.36 | annma | lol |
| 18:09.58 | annma | make clean |
| 18:10.00 | annma | unsernake |
| 18:10.04 | annma | unsermake |
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| 18:10.20 | ezu5t | ok |
| 18:10.21 | annma | and your server times out |
| 18:10.55 | ezu5t | damn |
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| 18:13.24 | lilpyro725 | Where is the option to only show tasks in the taskbar on the current desktop? FYI: I don't have a taskbar option in kcontrol -> desktop |
| 18:14.51 | frb | it's somewhere |
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| 18:15.42 | frb | lilpyro725: it's in the tasbar configuration under the panel on kcontrol |
| 18:15.57 | frb | or right click on the taskbar handle, and choose configure... |
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| 18:17.41 | lilpyro725 | frb, I get the same window when I do configure panel and configure taskbar |
| 18:18.08 | frb | lilpyro725: there should be a taskbar item in that window |
| 18:18.55 | lilpyro725 | Nope only arrangement, hiding, menus, and appearance |
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| 18:19.31 | lilpyro725 | frb, http://supermancantwalk.com/snapshot1.png thats the window I get |
| 18:19.32 | frb | dunno then, it works here on kde 3.5b1 on suse 9.3 |
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| 18:28.40 | pinucset | one think, how can I change the image appearing at the icons of down of my kde? |
| 18:29.10 | Mustafu | hmm...does KDE offer anything similar to the network activity monitor for WinXP that resides in the systray? |
| 18:29.17 | Mustafu | was just wondering |
| 18:29.25 | sunnemer | hi; where can i disable the detail-view in kmail when receiving mails? |
| 18:29.31 | annma | pinucset: can you explain? |
| 18:29.58 | pinucset | in my icons it appears the console image. I want to appear the logo of the application :S |
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| 18:30.55 | benJIman | mustafu: knemo I think |
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| 18:31.43 | annma | pinucset: your icons where? |
| 18:31.51 | pinucset | down of kde |
| 18:31.53 | pinucset | at the status bar |
| 18:31.57 | Mustafu | ok, thanks! |
| 18:32.08 | annma | pinucset: take a screenshot please |
| 18:32.17 | annma | and post it |
| 18:33.04 | pinucset | ok |
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| 18:34.07 | gravix | i love you guys! |
| 18:34.16 | gravix | *muah* |
| 18:34.42 | annma | right |
| 18:35.22 | sredna | Hola |
| 18:35.32 | sredna | That is allways nice, gravix :-) |
| 18:35.57 | gravix | hehe |
| 18:36.11 | pinucset | anma: yes, i ve done it1!!! |
| 18:36.12 | pinucset | :D |
| 18:37.38 | annma | pinucset: where is it? |
| 18:39.06 | pinucset | no, ive done it for myself :) |
| 18:39.17 | pinucset | it was my problem: http://img424.imageshack.us/img424/8673/kde0ay.jpg |
| 18:40.00 | midgetwithamatch | Do you want to change that icon to the mozilla one or add the mozilla icon |
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| 18:41.07 | annma | pinucset: :) ok |
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| 18:42.52 | midgetwithamatch | To add an icon to it just right click -> add to panel -> application -> the application you want. |
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| 18:44.10 | midgetwithamatch | I have a question why do my icons on my desktop get moved everytime I restart? |
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| 18:44.40 | midgetwithamatch | They all get bunched in the top left corner when I restart and I have to move them everytime |
| 18:45.05 | gravix | anyone know why kmail would keep losing the "store POP password" setting? it keeps getting randomly unchecked |
| 18:45.37 | _alix | is there any german channel here? im lost |
| 18:46.02 | gravix | teh no. :( |
| 18:46.12 | _alix | ^^ |
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| 18:46.32 | _alix | can you tell me why i cant use my 5.1 sound system in kde 3.4??? |
| 18:46.37 | _alix | i tried everything |
| 18:46.57 | pinucset | amarok tells us that need economic help... 5 euros is good :) http://amarok.kde.org/ , down-left for giving money |
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| 18:47.45 | desertsyndicate | I'm using SUSE Linux 10.0 and its using KDE 3.4.2 is there a way to upgrade to 3.4.3? |
| 18:48.40 | illogic-al | i was about to say there is no 3.4.3. heh |
| 18:48.52 | illogic-al | they snuck one out one me :-) |
| 18:49.06 | desertsyndicate | They're already developin 3.5 heh |
| 18:49.25 | gravix | can anyone give my brain a quick massage |
| 18:49.41 | parph | supposedly 3.5 is the last in the 3.5 seriesm but I don't see kde going a whole year without an upgrade |
| 18:49.45 | gravix | i'll give you $10 |
| 18:51.00 | gravix | ouchie wa wa! |
| 18:53.17 | _alix | what kind of people pay for amarok? ^^ |
| 18:53.37 | _alix | im out |
| 18:53.48 | desertsyndicate | anyways is there anyway for me to use 3.4.3 with SUSE 10.0 |
| 18:54.06 | annma | desertsyndicate: #suse will tell you |
| 18:54.13 | desertsyndicate | Thanks. |
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| 18:56.45 | raphael | hi |
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| 19:01.41 | feito | hi, can anyone tell me how to make firefox use konqueror instead of nautilus when opening the directory of a download? |
| 19:03.27 | annma | are you under kde? |
| 19:03.31 | feito | yes |
| 19:04.36 | annma | just remove nautilus |
| 19:04.39 | annma | joke |
| 19:05.15 | feito | is there a way? a firefox extension for example? I couldn't find anything on the extensions side ... |
| 19:05.32 | chetanr | feito: which distro? |
| 19:05.46 | feito | chetanr: gentoo |
| 19:05.57 | feito | chetanr: and debian |
| 19:06.05 | chetanr | feito: did you compile firefox with USE=-gnome? |
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| 19:06.25 | feito | chetanr: nope ... I want it to interact with gnome ... whenever I want to use gnome ... |
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| 19:06.49 | mabu | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Integrate_Firefox_with_KDE |
| 19:08.01 | feito | that's interesting, thanks |
| 19:08.30 | chetanr | mabu: feito: is there a solution to this problem on that page? ( i can't find it) |
| 19:08.47 | feito | chetanr: no, but some other nice things :D |
| 19:09.06 | feito | chetanr: but I can live with a gtk dialog for save-as |
| 19:09.13 | dpy | how do I set the title of dialog created by kdialog when I have --radiolist |
| 19:09.53 | mabu | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=14785 |
| 19:10.02 | mabu | It's a link on wiki |
| 19:11.00 | chetanr | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2795706-highlight-.html#2795706 |
| 19:11.31 | mabu | http://www.polinux.upv.es/mozilla/ |
| 19:12.05 | mabu | in the last link KDE standard dialogs for Mozilla 0.1 |
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| 19:13.07 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 19:13.14 | DaBlade | How do I get the KDE Media Manager running? |
| 19:13.26 | DaBlade | It seems to have crashed, and I don't know how to "revive" it |
| 19:13.44 | illogic-al | you need to have kded running |
| 19:13.50 | chetanr | feito: you can run gconf-editor to edit firefox's settings |
| 19:14.02 | DaBlade | illogic-al: is that for me? |
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| 19:16.54 | illogic-al | DaBlade: yeah |
| 19:18.18 | feito | chetanr: I cannot find firefox in gconf-editor ... and the nautilus-script is of course no solution for me ... |
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| 19:19.17 | feito | but thanks anyways, I'll have to wait for integration ... or write a firefox extension myself ... |
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| 19:26.40 | Julianyus | hi |
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| 19:31.06 | feito | I'm back, I made it. |
| 19:31.33 | feito | there IS a firefox extension that does something similair -> it let's you choose a download manager |
| 19:32.06 | feito | http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=27&vid=134&category=Download%20Tools |
| 19:32.53 | feito | this is for <1.0 only, but I found another plug-in that worked for my 1.0.7: |
| 19:32.54 | feito | http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=203 http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/extfirefox/DownloadWith_0.0.7+_enh.xpi |
| 19:32.54 | feito | hth someone, cya |
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| 20:15.57 | DesertSyndicate | hello? |
| 20:17.01 | pinotree | hello, DesertSyndicate |
| 20:17.11 | DesertSyndicate | just testing something |
| 20:17.22 | DesertSyndicate | thanks |
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| 20:24.07 | Tm_T | hi annma &co |
| 20:24.23 | annma | :) hi |
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| 20:41.30 | metgorna | someone who use translucent windows in KDE-3.4 |
| 20:41.35 | metgorna | ? |
| 20:42.36 | gravix | yep. |
| 20:42.40 | gravix | ido. |
| 20:43.38 | metgorna | I tried but it is very slow... |
| 20:44.45 | metgorna | Is there something I can do? |
| 20:45.00 | metgorna | I already activated DRI and DRM |
| 20:45.29 | gravix | what is your hardware |
| 20:46.50 | metgorna | I have Athlon XP 2400+ 768MB ram Radeon 7500 |
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| 20:47.15 | DesertSyndicate | hi |
| 20:47.25 | DesertSyndicate | um where do i install konstruct to? |
| 20:47.27 | gravix | metgorna: that graphics hardware is probably too slow |
| 20:47.30 | g3nocide | yeah |
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| 20:47.42 | g3nocide | ati is generally going to suck in linux anyways |
| 20:47.52 | gravix | i do not use transparency even on a radeon 9200 because it is too slow |
| 20:47.55 | g3nocide | i got a radeon 9000 and the translucency effects give me ugly grey squares |
| 20:48.00 | g3nocide | so i dont use it |
| 20:48.21 | DesertSyndicate | Where do I install Konstruct in SUSE? |
| 20:48.22 | g3nocide | so i fake a bit with taskbar 2 and some other simple transparency fakings to make a nice desktop... |
| 20:48.28 | gravix | g3nocide, shadows work fine for me with the 9200 and the open source ati drivers |
| 20:48.34 | g3nocide | http://www.cs.mun.ca/~fhaskell/screens/ |
| 20:48.41 | g3nocide | gravix: i use the fglrx |
| 20:48.44 | DesertSyndicate | Hello, where do I install Konstruct to in SUSE 10.0 |
| 20:48.45 | metgorna | gravix: What card do you have? |
| 20:48.47 | g3nocide | cuase i do some gaming |
| 20:49.00 | g3nocide | (counter-strike 1.6) |
| 20:49.02 | gravix | metgorna, nVidia Geforce 6800 GT |
| 20:49.14 | gravix | it is fast enough for transparency :) |
| 20:49.18 | g3nocide | hehe |
| 20:49.21 | g3nocide | that's my next card |
| 20:49.32 | g3nocide | sick of ati and their poor linux supprt |
| 20:49.35 | gravix | highly recommended... works great in linux and XP |
| 20:49.53 | DesertSyndicate | =/ |
| 20:49.56 | gravix | although in linux you get either 3d or desktop transparency... not both |
| 20:49.57 | g3nocide | how is linux for sli support, is nvidia caught up with that yet ? |
| 20:50.04 | metgorna | Thanks a lot now I know that the card is the problem |
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| 20:50.17 | metgorna | I have to go buy Nvidia |
| 20:50.22 | g3nocide | yes, yes you do |
| 20:50.23 | g3nocide | same with me |
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| 20:50.46 | gravix | i just boot into XP whenever I want to do something in 3d |
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| 20:50.51 | gravix | game or whatever. |
| 20:51.15 | DesertSyndicate | Is anyone even helping? |
| 20:51.28 | gravix | helping what? |
| 20:51.36 | DesertSyndicate | where do I install Konstruct to in SUSE 10.0 |
| 20:51.47 | gravix | i don't know |
| 20:51.56 | g3nocide | what do you mena where to you install it |
| 20:52.08 | g3nocide | configure, make, su, make install |
| 20:52.13 | g3nocide | it should go where it's supposed to |
| 20:52.15 | g3nocide | shouldnt it ? |
| 20:52.26 | DesertSyndicate | i'm a linux n00b |
| 20:52.28 | DesertSyndicate | =/ |
| 20:52.49 | annma | DesertSyndicate: my! what do you want konstruct for? |
| 20:53.04 | DesertSyndicate | I need to upgrade KDE to 3.4.3 |
| 20:53.04 | metgorna | what is your FPS rate? I used "glxgears" and had 1000 +- |
| 20:53.13 | g3nocide | you shouldnt have started with suse then, you should have gone with mandriva |
| 20:53.30 | DesertSyndicate | i tried redhat but it didnt like my SATA harddrive |
| 20:53.35 | DesertSyndicate | so i got suse |
| 20:53.39 | DesertSyndicate | i like it |
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| 20:54.25 | g3nocide | metgorna: im getting 1750 - 1800 |
| 20:54.54 | annma | DesertSyndicate: ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/3.4.3/SuSE/ix86/10.0 |
| 20:54.59 | TjaFs | is it any "direct connect" programs for kde ? |
| 20:55.00 | annma | there are Suse rpms |
| 20:55.02 | metgorna | and can you use tranlucency |
| 20:55.06 | metgorna | ? |
| 20:55.11 | g3nocide | newp |
| 20:55.15 | g3nocide | hehe |
| 20:55.18 | DesertSyndicate | no shit |
| 20:55.22 | DesertSyndicate | thank you |
| 20:55.24 | g3nocide | but i play a lot of cs 1.6 |
| 20:55.41 | DesertSyndicate | btw no shit wasnt directed to you, annma |
| 20:55.43 | annma | can't you read the KDE page by yourself? I already told you before there were Suse rpms |
| 20:55.47 | metgorna | what is cs 1.6? |
| 20:56.04 | g3nocide | counter-strike |
| 20:56.06 | DesertSyndicate | i know but i really dont know how to use rpms yet |
| 20:56.08 | DesertSyndicate | :( |
| 20:56.23 | annma | ask in #suse how to upgrade |
| 20:56.31 | annma | konstruct is not for you |
| 20:56.51 | DesertSyndicate | i cant talk in suse for some reason |
| 20:56.58 | TjaFs | Any of you guys who knows about a dc-client to kde ? |
| 20:56.58 | DesertSyndicate | saying message cant be deliviered |
| 20:57.14 | DesertSyndicate | :brown.freenode.net 404 DesertSyndicate #suse :Cannot send to channel |
| 20:57.36 | annma | you are there |
| 20:57.39 | DesertSyndicate | i know |
| 20:57.41 | DesertSyndicate | but i cant speak |
| 20:57.44 | DesertSyndicate | :brown.freenode.net 404 DesertSyndicate #suse :Cannot send to channel |
| 20:58.54 | ezu5t | anma, just did a make clean and unsermake, but I get the same results as before. |
| 20:59.00 | ezu5t | do you still get timeouts going to that site? |
| 20:59.16 | ezu5t | http://lazarus.oddiofile.com/moin/Questions/KDE4 |
| 20:59.24 | annma | ezu5t: who are you? |
| 20:59.36 | DesertSyndicate | ask how to use rpms |
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| 20:59.54 | winmutt | what does the K stand for in kde? |
| 21:00.59 | gravix | Kolestomey Bag |
| 21:00.59 | annma | K L, K is before L |
| 21:01.05 | annma | L as in Linux |
| 21:01.19 | gravix | it's what you use when your colon breaks |
| 21:01.21 | annma | ezu5t: so what do you do when you have that error? |
| 21:01.41 | annma | ezu5t: if you build kde4 you must be able to do something |
| 21:02.08 | ezu5t | anma: you can see it now? ah, good. i am having trouble building the snapshot of kdelibs |
| 21:02.27 | annma | ezu5t: so what do you do when you have that error? |
| 21:02.39 | annma | DesertSyndicate: hmm, I have no idea |
| 21:02.57 | annma | DesertSyndicate: google for : suse kde upgrade rpms |
| 21:03.32 | winmutt | annma: that makes 0 sense |
| 21:03.35 | winmutt | i mean |
| 21:03.42 | winmutt | why before? |
| 21:03.49 | annma | why would it make sense for a start? |
| 21:04.05 | annma | the guy who choose it is now famous |
| 21:04.06 | ezu5t | anma: i have not built kde4 - I am only trying to build the kdelibs snapshot so I can compile it against umbrello |
| 21:04.10 | annma | that's all that matters |
| 21:04.27 | winmutt | famous to who? certainly not most people :) |
| 21:04.41 | winmutt | i wondered if it was k for Kommon |
| 21:04.44 | annma | ezu5t: if you want to compile umbrello against kdelibs4 you will not ask for every fix here |
| 21:04.44 | winmutt | that makes sense |
| 21:04.48 | annma | winmutt: no |
| 21:05.08 | ezu5t | what do you mean by "every fix?" |
| 21:05.17 | annma | is umbrello ported yet? |
| 21:05.26 | ezu5t | well, I wanted to help out in the porting of it |
| 21:05.31 | ezu5t | but I thought the first step was to get kdelibs built |
| 21:05.36 | annma | yes so you will have numerous errors |
| 21:05.43 | winmutt | kde rendering is slower than winderz... i am trying out gnome again to see if its X or just my desktop env |
| 21:05.50 | annma | so you must be able to know to deal with errors |
| 21:05.59 | annma | winmutt: yes, bye |
| 21:06.04 | winmutt | lol |
| 21:06.09 | winmutt | ive used kde for years |
| 21:06.15 | annma | ezu5t: what does the kdelibs error tells you? |
| 21:06.16 | ezu5t | well, if I knew what was supposed to compile and what was not, that would help me a lot |
| 21:06.36 | winmutt | but things like artsd, kopete, and kmail have left me not using kde apps |
| 21:06.39 | annma | the snapshot compiles say my friends |
| 21:06.40 | ezu5t | Well, it's having trouble with Ui:: I suppose - an undefined symbol |
| 21:06.45 | winmutt | which makes me wonder why i use kde at all |
| 21:06.49 | winmutt | but it sure is pretty |
| 21:07.23 | annma | ezu5t: /home/ezust/workspace/kde/snapshot/interfaces/ktexteditor/editorchooser.cpp:46: error: syntax |
| 21:07.29 | annma | look in the file line 46 |
| 21:07.32 | annma | paste that line |
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| 21:07.41 | winmutt | i wonder if the slower rendering is due to some off compile options |
| 21:07.49 | ezu5t | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.53 | winmutt | id hate to admit winderz is better at anything :( |
| 21:08.41 | annma | ezu5t: error before `::' token |
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| 21:08.46 | annma | that's the error |
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| 21:09.03 | annma | so what doe sthat mean? your build does not recognize Ui:: |
| 21:09.10 | annma | which is a namespace |
| 21:10.24 | ezu5t | normally when that happens, I also see a "can't open include file: bla.h" before it |
| 21:10.31 | ezu5t | and then I can fix the path problem |
| 21:11.07 | gravix | wee willy winky! |
| 21:11.07 | annma | why would that happen? |
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| 21:12.31 | annma | what percentage of the build did you achieve? |
| 21:12.41 | annma | before the error happened? |
| 21:13.53 | ezu5t | 2% |
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| 21:14.11 | annma | ah man |
| 21:14.14 | annma | ok |
| 21:14.27 | annma | are you in your kdelibs build? |
| 21:14.31 | annma | in konsole |
| 21:14.40 | ezu5t | yes |
| 21:14.43 | annma | in there do: echo $QTDIR |
| 21:14.50 | annma | paste here the result |
| 21:15.35 | ezu5t | it's empty, but when I configured, it did find qt4 in /usr/local/qt |
| 21:15.38 | annma | should be quick |
| 21:15.52 | annma | well it should be set |
| 21:15.55 | ezu5t | i thought QTDIR didn't need to be set anymore |
| 21:16.14 | annma | look at your error |
| 21:16.26 | annma | Ui is obviously a qt namespce |
| 21:16.32 | annma | no? |
| 21:16.37 | ezu5t | i didn't know that |
| 21:16.48 | annma | neither did i, I just think |
| 21:16.59 | annma | have a look at Qt API doc |
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| 21:18.18 | ezu5t | ok thanks |
| 21:18.46 | annma | as I said when you start porting umbrello you will have tons of such errors |
| 21:18.49 | straw | annma: did you hear anymore about tango since yesterday? |
| 21:19.23 | ezu5t | I guess I'm still having environment issues... |
| 21:19.31 | annma | where? I heard a guy in #kde-devel but look, we won't include in KDE all projects that are around |
| 21:20.19 | straw | annma: http://tango-project.org/Tango_Desktop_Project |
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| 21:20.33 | annma | straw: I am not interested and I have no time |
| 21:20.49 | straw | annma: i know. just trying to find interested folks |
| 21:20.53 | annma | and I am not qualified about desktop |
| 21:21.32 | annma | ezu5t: echo $PATH |
| 21:21.47 | anisX | i wish i can join straw |
| 21:21.53 | anisX | but im totally newbies |
| 21:21.54 | anisX | grrr |
| 21:22.08 | ezu5t | i'm on it now, thanks anma |
| 21:25.07 | annma | and read the doc in qt |
| 21:25.22 | ezu5t | qt4 does not require QTDIR to be set |
| 21:25.25 | ezu5t | only KDE4 does, I suppose |
| 21:25.33 | annma | but PATH |
| 21:25.43 | ezu5t | qt4 is first in my path |
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| 21:25.54 | annma | paste it? |
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| 21:26.14 | ezu5t | /usr/local/qt/bin:/home/ezust/alan/net/bin:/home/ezust/jdk1.5.0_05/bin:/home/ezust/bin:/home/ezust/workspace/unsermake:/home/ezust/public_html/local/bin:/home/ezust/public_html/local/bin/Linux:/home/ezust/Linux/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:. |
| 21:27.32 | _alex | hello |
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| 21:32.23 | annma | ezu5t: http://edu.kde.org/development/port2kde4.php |
| 21:32.27 | annma | follow that tutorial |
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| 21:34.50 | Riddell | ezu5t: hi |
| 21:35.02 | ezu5t | hi Riddell |
| 21:35.08 | annma | ezu5t: this is umbrello devel |
| 21:35.17 | Riddell | ezu5t: you're going to port umbrello to qt4 then eh? :) |
| 21:35.27 | ezu5t | i wanted to help |
| 21:35.32 | Riddell | ezu5t: wonderful :) |
| 21:35.33 | annma | I don't see kde4 in your PATH ezu5t |
| 21:35.36 | ezu5t | i'm more familiar with qt4 now than I am with qt3 |
| 21:35.50 | annma | ezu5t: where is your KDE4 install dir? |
| 21:35.59 | Riddell | ezu5t: umbrello has almost zero developers but someone needs to do it |
| 21:36.14 | Riddell | ezu5t: I have no idea what is needed to port it to qt4, I don't even know what the state of qcanvas is |
| 21:36.27 | annma | oh qcanvas is as in qt3 |
| 21:36.30 | ezu5t | anma: yes, I didn't add a install dir, so I'm just compiling it without installing it |
| 21:36.58 | annma | so how will you port? |
| 21:38.11 | ezu5t | I was just going to replace some of the uses of the older API with some newer ones... |
| 21:38.16 | ezu5t | and maybe clean up some old code |
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| 21:38.48 | ezu5t | is your question related to my not having installed kdelibs or is it more general than that? |
| 21:38.50 | annma | but how will you check if it works? |
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| 21:38.59 | annma | to not having kdelibs installed |
| 21:39.40 | ezu5t | with qt4, I don't install it either - I just compile it and use its dirs in my path |
| 21:39.54 | ezu5t | the install process just copies stuff into other places I don't need |
| 21:39.57 | annma | qt does not need any install unlike kde |
| 21:40.00 | ezu5t | i assumed kde4's install was similar |
| 21:40.10 | annma | well anyway I have to go |
| 21:40.14 | ezu5t | thanks anma |
| 21:40.17 | ezu5t | i will install then |
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| 21:46.23 | ezu5t | Riddell, when you say "umbrello has zero developers" , i notice a lot of stuff from both you and okellogg - i guess you are both stretched thin across other projects too? |
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| 21:51.16 | Riddell | ezu5t: yeah, I do kubuntu and he's got work and stuff. I havn't done much on umbrello in over a year |
| 21:51.30 | Riddell | ezu5t: so we'd really love to have someone help port it to qt 4 |
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| 21:54.02 | ezu5t | at the moment, how different is the 3.5 version from the 4.0 version, do you think? |
| 21:54.16 | ezu5t | of umbrello, that is, Riddell? |
| 21:54.31 | Riddell | ezu5t: I don't know, oliver did some porting back to 4.0 as he said, first job would be to get the two branches in sync |
| 21:55.15 | ezu5t | what is the recommended way of syncing branches? I am a bit of a novice at multi-branch repository operations... |
| 21:55.33 | StevenR | yo Riddell ! |
| 21:55.37 | ezu5t | or rather, are there some tricks for keeping them in sync? |
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| 21:56.07 | Riddell | ezu5t: diff -r ? :) |
| 21:56.13 | Riddell | StevenR: hi baby |
| 21:57.04 | ezu5t | ah, i thought subversion did something special |
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| 21:57.34 | ezu5t | to help make the merges easier |
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| 22:00.59 | ezu5t | what is KDEDIR environment variable for? |
| 22:02.27 | NullAcht15 | it points to where you have KDE installed |
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| 22:03.16 | NullAcht15 | newer versions of KDE also support KDEDIRS, which will allow you to cascade directories |
| 22:03.24 | NullAcht15 | Useful for kiosk mode |
| 22:04.08 | ezu5t | i was wondering about that too, thanks nullacht15 |
| 22:04.26 | Liquid_Byt3 | someone knows somethin about kde 3.5 in debian? |
| 22:06.22 | adamt | jubii |
| 22:06.38 | adamt | kde 3.4.3 is masked with ~ keyword now, update time! |
| 22:06.54 | pinotree | Liquid_Byt3: kde 3.5? it's still in beta.... |
| 22:07.06 | pinotree | Liquid_Byt3: and i'd ask that in #debian-kde |
| 22:07.31 | adamt | as long as they wont even have kde 3.4.2 any time soon don't think about 3.5 =) |
| 22:07.49 | adamt | they are in the middle of gcc3.x => gcc4 switch |
| 22:07.53 | pinotree | adamt: |
| 22:07.59 | pinotree | Qt: 3.3.5 |
| 22:08.01 | pinotree | KDE: 3.4.91 (beta1, >= 20050910) |
| 22:08.03 | pinotree | kde-config: 1.0 |
| 22:08.10 | pinotree | :-P |
| 22:08.21 | adamt | you compiled that yourself right? =) |
| 22:08.30 | pinotree | yep |
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| 22:08.40 | adamt | i was thinking about the files on the official repositories |
| 22:08.41 | pinotree | not Qt, only kde |
| 22:10.13 | ezu5t | i'm using 3.4.2 in debian, adamt |
| 22:10.16 | ezu5t | unstable |
| 22:10.44 | adamt | highly unstable i suppose? or what do i know, i just read the info in the topic of #debian-kde |
| 22:11.21 | ezu5t | there was a month of horrible transition from 3.3 to 3.4 but it's fine now |
| 22:11.37 | adamt | crap... 130MB to compile.. hmm.. maybe i should clean up first |
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| 22:12.04 | neighborlee | is it just me or do sounds effects in konversation not play consistenly for others ?? |
| 22:12.24 | neighborlee | they were playing ..at least occasinally , but now nothing |
| 22:12.30 | neighborlee | yes I know..WEIRD |
| 22:13.15 | adamt | i don't have sound i konversation either - 0.18 |
| 22:13.53 | Servo888 | I'm having a strange issue. I have kde loaded up on two monitors, (two desktops), and the second monitor lost the bars that go over winds with all the close, max, min buttons. I can't seem to get them back =\ |
| 22:14.16 | adamt | kwin crashed? |
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| 22:18.21 | rcoffman3 | is anyone here i need some help with kde |
| 22:19.15 | madpenguin8 | rcoffman3: everyone left about an hour ago |
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| 22:19.58 | rcoffman3 | i need to know how to get the trashcan back on my desktop |
| 22:20.07 | rcoffman3 | i think i accidently removed it can you please help |
| 22:20.16 | rcoffman3 | i've looked and I cant find a place to put it back on |
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| 22:23.49 | rcoffman3 | someone please help |
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| 22:24.29 | straw | rcoffman3: it's a .desktop, usually found in ~/Desktop |
| 22:24.48 | straw | on fedora, it's in /usr/share/apps/systemview |
| 22:24.52 | user0 | i set up some nifty shortcut bindings in kdevelop for its embedded kate editor. anyone know how to transport these bindings to kate itself? or better yet, to link the too so that if i make shortcut changes in kate, it changes those in kdevelop's embedded kate, and visa versa? |
| 22:24.55 | madpenguin8 | straw: heh, if he deleted it off his desktop, it won't be in ~/Desktop |
| 22:25.14 | straw | madpenguin8: yes, i know |
| 22:25.34 | roger55 | kcontrol used to have some meny to configure the trash in PATHs iirc but it's no longer there |
| 22:25.54 | roger55 | the search still points there. |
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| 22:26.20 | sven | hi |
| 22:26.39 | StevenR | how do i download konversation from svn? |
| 22:27.25 | sven | uhu |
| 22:28.00 | gregday | lol @ rcoffman3's quit ms |
| 22:28.01 | gregday | g |
| 22:28.16 | ezu5t | my my... he's having a bad day |
| 22:29.09 | adamt | StevenR: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/network/konversation/ - could take some time to download each file manually though :P |
| 22:29.47 | StevenR | adamt: i meant using cli, and svn, not the web interface |
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| 22:30.21 | Sparki | StevenR: see http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html |
| 22:30.49 | Sparki | try something like svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/extragear/network/konversation/ |
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| 22:33.33 | StevenR | it doesn't download any of the sources, only some random little files, like Makefile.in |
| 22:34.01 | hydrogen | svn co -N svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/extragear/network && svn up admin && svn up konversation |
| 22:34.08 | hydrogen | err |
| 22:34.17 | hydrogen | add a cd network after first svn command |
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| 22:35.19 | StevenR | thanks hydrogen and Sparki |
| 22:35.35 | AeroClown | hmm Im woundering if anyone here might be able to give me the default width of konqi sidebar |
| 22:36.20 | AeroClown | in pixels |
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| 22:40.29 | hein | StevenR: http://konversation.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Konversation_Tips_and_Tricks#Getting_Latest_Konversation_from_SVN |
| 22:40.42 | StevenR | thanks hein |
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| 22:46.24 | hydrogen | that has a bad instruction |
| 22:46.32 | hydrogen | why use make -f if it suggests unsermake for other two parts |
| 22:46.54 | thiago | because that's how you do it |
| 22:46.59 | thiago | make -f Makefile.cvs |
| 22:47.00 | thiago | unsermake |
| 22:47.02 | thiago | unsermake install |
| 22:47.34 | SMiLeaf | unsermake ? |
| 22:47.39 | thiago | yep |
| 22:47.58 | SMiLeaf | Ok I must behind on the whole new stuff or something. |
| 22:48.00 | thiago | KDE's replacement for automake/am_edit |
| 22:48.03 | madpenguin8 | what's wrong with unsermake -f Makefile.cvs? |
| 22:48.12 | thiago | madpenguin8: the correct way is make -f Makefile.cvs |
| 22:48.24 | madpenguin8 | hmm, unsermake -f WORKFORME |
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| 22:48.40 | thiago | right, but Makefile.cvs is a make file |
| 22:48.50 | SMiLeaf | I don't even have an unsermake XD |
| 22:48.50 | thiago | it's supposed to be used with make |
| 22:49.16 | thiago | SMiLeaf: not a problem, but unsermake could theoretically speed up your compilation a bit |
| 22:49.25 | thiago | especially if you have a distcc or icecream network |
| 22:49.45 | SMiLeaf | thiago: chocolate icecream? |
| 22:50.03 | thiago | no, vanilla :-) |
| 22:50.08 | SMiLeaf | even better |
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| 22:51.45 | adamt | my girlfriend found some brownie-toffe-icecream a couple of weeks ago... mmmmmmmmm |
| 22:51.54 | SMiLeaf | tried distcc once... slowed down compiles on the fast computer... didn't speed up the slow computer that much either. |
| 22:52.49 | StevenR | SMiLeaf: distcc is designed to be used with many machines |
| 22:52.56 | thiago | if you have a fast computer and a slow one, use unsermake |
| 22:53.20 | thiago | or the slow computer will probably make the fast one wait for it in every directory |
| 22:53.37 | SMiLeaf | I'd rather just let the fast one be fast and the slow be slow ;) |
| 22:54.13 | SMiLeaf | now if I had all my slow ones running.. yah I'd do that :) |
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| 22:54.23 | adamt | wouldn't it be possible to mount / on a faster machine, chroot into it, and compile? :o |
| 22:54.33 | SMiLeaf | hehe |
| 22:54.33 | thiago | NFS would be slower than distcc |
| 22:54.53 | SMiLeaf | samba isn't that slow :) |
| 22:55.22 | thiago | then we should say: distcc is faster than Samba |
| 22:55.26 | SMiLeaf | but then NFS = no work and samba = work .. so that's not a really good comparison :) |
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| 22:56.32 | SMiLeaf | nfs will allow 3-4 seconds of copying before it'll stall and lock the directory so your forced to reboot to access even the parent directory again :) |
| 22:56.56 | adamt | and why would that be..? |
| 22:57.01 | SMiLeaf | I have no clue |
| 22:57.09 | SMiLeaf | it's been like that for me for over a year |
| 22:57.42 | SMiLeaf | tried vanilla kernel's .. tried gentoo's kernel.. all have the same effect. |
| 22:58.37 | roger55 | adamt, I set up a chroot, compile stuff the rsync over to an nfs mount |
| 22:58.44 | roger55 | the/then |
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| 23:01.36 | ezu5t | bizarre - I'm getting an assertion failed error now, building the kdelibs snapshot: http://lazarus.oddiofile.com/moin/Questions/KDE4 |
| 23:01.55 | ezu5t | something to do with konfig_compiler |
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| 23:20.11 | ezu5t | i'm getting an assertion failed error in qstring.h but I can't figure out what file is including it from the error message |
| 23:20.28 | thiago | can you post the exact error message you get? |
| 23:20.40 | ezu5t | http://lazarus.oddiofile.com/moin/Questions/KDE4 |
| 23:21.26 | thiago | is your unsermake up-to-date? |
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| 23:22.09 | ezu5t | i just did an svn update and pofiles.um and init.py were changed since last update |
| 23:22.36 | thiago | try again now, please |
| 23:23.39 | ezu5t | same message |
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| 23:24.09 | ezu5t | oh wait. |
| 23:24.15 | ezu5t | slightly different now |
| 23:24.17 | Octane | can someone _please_ share with me a way to get Konqui to just have one window open instead of each time i load up a URL a new iwndow opening up |
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| 23:25.10 | ezu5t | the 29318 that comes after /bin/sh: line 1: 29318 Aborted is a different number |
| 23:25.19 | ezu5t | each time I redo it |
| 23:25.54 | jcurry | which essential kde proccess is not running if i cannot see kcontrol module, nor execute khotkeys actions? |
| 23:26.14 | ezu5t | oh it's a pid |
| 23:26.18 | thiago | jcurry: khotkeys (kded) |
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| 23:27.33 | thiago | jcurry: that looks like a bug in unsermake, or in the Makefile.am |
| 23:28.08 | jcurry | thiago, kded is running...but it still doesn't work...i'm not compiling anything |
| 23:28.22 | thiago | is khotkeys running? |
| 23:28.40 | jcurry | i see kded[kdeinit] in the process list (started with ctrl+esc) |
| 23:29.00 | thiago | run kdcop and see if khotkeys is listed under kded |
| 23:29.38 | jcurry | it is now...(aha! the kcontrol items are gone because i was playing with the menus...unrelated issue) |
| 23:30.05 | jcurry | i wonder what killed the process |
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| 23:31.45 | jcurry | (in retrorespect, i did add some kanotix repository to my sources.list) that could be it... |
| 23:31.51 | jcurry | thanks for the help, thiago! |
| 23:32.01 | thiago | you're welcome |
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