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00:06.58orace|is this an official KDE channel?
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00:18.49frbblah, whenever annma comes around, the access keys dialog doesn't appear
00:20.17annmalol
00:20.28frbthe last 5 were for Mouse Kyes
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00:21.54Chambers`hi guys, got a question regarding kmail.  Is it able to connect to exchange servers (like evolution) ?  Not just IMAP.  If not is that planned for the future?  I think the connector is open source?  Not sure i'm no programmer :)
00:22.24illogic-alChambers`: nope.
00:22.32frbthe connector is not open source
00:22.39elvstonehum. if i open a .glade file with glade-2 in konqueror, and tells it to remember "this program for this file type".. glade-2 takes over my gvim binding to .txt files.. how is that? :/
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00:22.54illogic-alfrb: think he's talking about ximian connector.
00:23.02frbillogic-al: I know he is
00:23.10Chambers`thanks frb
00:23.19Chambers`and illogic-al
00:23.23frbI used to work for them, I've packaged teh connector
00:23.39elvstoneif i then open a .txt with gvim and tells it to remember that program, .glade files will open in gvim.. i can't see why..
00:23.48illogic-alhttp://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2004/05/pr04034.html
00:23.53Chambers`i'm surprised they didn't make it open source :/
00:23.57frbif it was opensource, everyone and their brother would have made a native MAPI plugin for their mp3player and web browser by now
00:24.08Chambers`lol
00:24.10frbChambers`: it's a licensing thing
00:24.14illogic-alfrb: refer to the above link
00:24.45frbwhy is konq so friggin slow to start up
00:24.47Chambers`ahh, so it is open source?
00:24.54illogic-alyes.
00:25.05Chambers`neat, maybe in the future kmail will oncorporate it :)
00:25.07frbthat was after I left
00:25.17illogic-albut that doesn't mean kmail has support cause it doesn't :-)
00:25.20illogic-alyet
00:25.28Chambers`you were probably holding them back from releasing it :P
00:25.41elvstonemeh. good night.
00:25.49illogic-alI %amB a bastard
00:25.57illogic-alI am a bastard
00:26.02illogic-althere we go.
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00:28.34Alethesis there any reason smb:// wouldn't show me the full contents of a dir?
00:28.43illogic-alit sucks.
00:28.55AlethesI've got 4 gigs of mp3s on my wife's windows box and only 110 megs is showing up
00:28.58Alethesit used to work fine
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00:29.12illogic-also did windows.
00:29.24Aletheshehe
00:29.27Dhraakellianhas your wife been pruning your collection?
00:29.30Alethesno
00:29.32illogic-althen we all got smarter and moved on to something else.
00:29.37AlethesI was just at her computer and the files are all there
00:29.43Dhraakellianheh
00:30.31illogic-al[20:30] [DCOP] Error: Nothing is playing in amaroK
00:30.59Dhraakelliannow playing: Stargarden - amaroK Live Magnatune Compilation - "Mural"
00:31.04illogic-alwhich loosely translates to "Lecture which I refuse to announce over IRC"
00:31.25illogic-alsad, my apps refuse to admit to being as nerdy as me.
00:31.28Dhraakellianlecture?
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00:31.39illogic-alDhraakellian: lecture
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00:34.07Aletheshmm smbmount worked fine
00:34.12AlethesI can see the files fine that way
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00:42.00frbthere, It did it again!
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00:42.35frbwarning - KDE Accessibility Tool     ...  Do You Want To Activate "Mouse Keys"?
00:42.54Tm_T:p
00:44.46Tm_Tfrb: why you did it
00:45.21frbI wasn't even on the KDE desktop at the time
00:45.28frbmy mouse was on teh windows box via synergy
00:46.10Tm_Tok
00:46.39madman91stupid ksirc
00:47.09illogic-althere's always konversation:-)
00:47.16Tm_Tirssi <3
00:47.19frbI've been using Konversation
00:47.25frbits like xchat without the suck
00:47.40illogic-alor ksirc without the stupid ?
00:47.46illogic-alnah.
00:47.49frbksirc without the perl
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00:47.55illogic-alksirc is nice. konvi is nicer though :-)
00:49.11madman91konvi is a program?
00:49.25madman91ill just urpmi it
00:49.27illogic-almadman91: yep. a kde irc client.
00:49.34illogic-almadman91: that works too :-)
00:49.36Tm_Tmadman91: irssi.org !
00:49.45illogic-almadman91: konversation though, not konvi .
00:50.08Tm_Tillogic-al: looks like you're winning this match...
00:50.23Tm_Tbut the war isn't over yet! ];=
00:50.45illogic-alTm_T: you know you love konvi.
00:51.09Tm_Tillogic-al: no I don't!
00:51.20annmaksirc does the job well enough
00:51.22Tm_Thmm, maybe I should try it again...
00:51.43illogic-alannma: I hear the windows guys saying the same thing :-p
00:51.48Ringwraith`but do the jobs blow
00:51.52Ringwraith`if the jobs blow ill try it
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00:52.08annmaat least ksirc is not buggy
00:52.36illogic-alkonvi isn't buggy.
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00:52.44illogic-alit has bugs. but it ain't buggy.
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00:53.08Tm_Konversationillogic-al: ok, what's so special?
00:53.19illogic-al[[wikipedia]] for one
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00:53.27illogic-al/media for another
00:53.33illogic-al/kdeversion
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00:53.43Tm_Tok, that was too much
00:53.47illogic-alicon themes for user list
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00:54.02illogic-alintegrated konsole
00:54.12illogic-alkick ass notifcations
00:54.19illogic-al(thank you knotify)
00:54.22Tm_Tillogic-al: gui, not fully usable with kboard, and builtin script flood nightmare
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00:54.33Tm_Tdon't like it
00:55.02Tm_Tnocando, irssi is the client to me
00:55.27illogic-also if theres some problem with that someone else will have to file a bug report
00:55.46illogic-aland the scripts don't get used unless you use them.
00:56.00illogic-althey also aren't built in, so you can easily just delete them
00:56.07Tm_Tillogic-al: yeah, but when they are there, kids will find them
00:56.09Tm_Tand use
00:56.11Tm_T:/
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00:56.17texnofobixIf I'm here I'll get to you.
00:56.20illogic-aland what's wrong with that.
00:56.23frbirssi kinda sucks when I'm on 5 channels across 2 networks
00:56.29illogic-alkids can't find and use irssi scripts?
00:56.30Tm_Tfrb: eh?
00:56.33illogic-ali know i have
00:56.45Tm_Tillogic-al: bit harder, slows down ;)
00:56.52illogic-alcolor scripts are fun btw :-)
00:57.09Tm_Tillogic-al: especially used allthetimeflooding ;)
00:57.10illogic-alTm_T: konvi users are classier than that.
00:57.20Tm_Tillogic-al: I hope so :)
00:57.43Tm_Tfrb: what's difficult
00:58.11Tm_Tfrb: sucks how
00:58.16Tm_Tfrb: speak to me!
00:58.18frbTm_T: irssi is stuck in a terminal, no tabs, so I either need them all on teh screen or I need funktastic keybindings to swap windows
00:58.19Tm_T:p
00:58.28illogic-alhahah
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00:58.33illogic-alhe said funktastic
00:58.35Tm_Tfrb: eeh, there's keybindings already
00:58.41Tm_Tfrb: builtin
00:58.46frband they are funktastic
00:58.55illogic-alTm_T: which don't work in a normal xterm.
00:58.56ZackEwhy would artssd load up whenever my computer turns on
00:58.56Tm_Tfrb: alt+#
00:59.04ZackEwhen i have the kde sound system disabled
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00:59.10Tm_Tillogic-al: I don't use xterm
00:59.12madman_temphey
00:59.20madman_tempguess who... its madman91 on konvi
00:59.22Tm_Tillogic-al: and you can use escape key
00:59.22frbanyway, why use a console when I have all the KDE goodness?
00:59.27illogic-alTm_T: I don't use kboard :-p
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00:59.34Tm_Tillogic-al: I use mostly
00:59.44Tm_Thell lot easier
00:59.51illogic-almadman_temp: woot!
00:59.57Tm_Tillogic-al: imagine over 20 tabs in konvi...
00:59.57frbI used console irc clients for about 10 years, I deserve a fuggin gui!
01:00.09Tm_Tfrb: ok ok, you can have it ;)
01:00.11illogic-alTm_T: imagine sound notifications
01:00.12frbif you have 20 tabs, you need to get a life
01:00.19illogic-alTm_T: imagine OSD notifications
01:00.28Tm_Tillogic-al: yes, I can have em in irssi, but I dont use
01:00.32illogic-alTm_T: imagine _built in wikipedia search_!
01:00.35illogic-alwikipedia man!
01:00.39illogic-alWIKIPEDIA!
01:00.39Tm_Thaha
01:00.51frbimagine dragging a url from your client to a different desktop to load in your web browser
01:01.07madman_tempsomeone send a message directed to madman_temp
01:01.10Tm_Tfrb: nah, I don't even like if clicking an url opens it
01:01.11frbor middle-clck on a url to open in a new tab on the currently showing browser?
01:01.16Tm_Tmadman_temp: what?
01:01.17frbI do
01:01.18illogic-almadman_temp: arrr matey
01:01.26frbwhen you're a webmonkey, you use a lot of URLs
01:01.29ZackEwhy would the process artssd load up whenever my computer turns on when i have the kde sound system not checked?
01:01.45Tm_T</clientwar>
01:01.51illogic-alZackE: some other app that starts up is using it too
01:01.53illogic-allike juk
01:01.57illogic-alor noatun
01:02.07frbits obvious, I'm old, you're younger, I win, resepct your elders
01:02.14Tm_Tfrb: yes =)
01:02.14illogic-alhahahah
01:02.21Tm_Tfrb: I'm young?!!
01:02.30frbno no, just younger
01:02.37ZackEillogical-al: how could i found out whats loading
01:02.49Tm_Tfrb: hmm, you're over 75?
01:02.55illogic-alwhat apps are running that play sound/music
01:02.59frbI am 1000 years old
01:03.03Tm_Tok :)
01:03.07illogic-alhahah
01:03.09ZackEillogical-al: none that i know of currently
01:03.28illogic-alctrl+esc will show currently running apps
01:03.52ZackEis kde system guard ok?
01:04.01frbfor what it does
01:04.02ZackEctrl+esc loads up kde bar
01:04.23ZackEthe K part of it
01:05.09illogic-alin that case
01:05.12illogic-alksysguard
01:05.49madman_tempis there anyway to make konversation look like ksirc...
01:05.53madman_tempksirc looks classier
01:06.11illogic-almadman_temp: nope
01:06.13annmaheu, run ksirc instead?
01:06.22Sho_madman_temp: I'm afraid the Konvi devs disagree. If you like KSirc, use KSirc :)
01:06.31annmawish: skin konvi as ksirc!!!
01:06.32illogic-alheheh
01:06.38illogic-alannma: ew
01:06.42annma:)))
01:06.50illogic-alnow illogic-al  ruins after annma
01:06.55illogic-als/ruins/runs
01:06.57madman_tempquick question to test you guys... where can i access file associations
01:07.02annmahey hey, I am far away
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01:07.06illogic-alright there
01:07.10Sho_KControl -> KDE Components -> File Associations
01:07.11illogic-aldon't you see it?
01:07.12annmain kcontrol, madman_temp
01:07.25madman_templol thanks annma
01:07.47annmaI knew someone would give the right path
01:07.53ZackEim back sry was away
01:07.57illogic-ali think it's time for some UT2k4
01:08.01ZackEi dont see any apps that would use sound
01:08.02illogic-alanyone wanna play me?
01:08.07Sho_illogic-al: hear, hear!
01:08.09ZackEthat would start artsdsp to load up
01:08.13Tm_Tillogic-al: I have only demo
01:08.16ZackEi only have the demo
01:08.21madman_temphow would i stop kde from launching k3b for a blank dvd or totem player for a dvd video?
01:08.21Sho_want, yes. can't - 3:10 AM, time for bed :)
01:08.23illogic-alSho_: sweet!
01:08.29ZackEcan demo ppl play together?
01:08.30madman_tempillogic-al:  i would but i wont install today
01:08.32illogic-alshall you choose a server or shall i?
01:09.01illogic-alZackE: Tm_T yeah, they can
01:09.04Ringwraith`hi annma
01:09.06Ringwraith`how are you
01:09.12ZackEillogical-al you have the demo?
01:09.16annmapuzzled, Ringwraith`
01:09.17Tm_Tillogic-al: I know, but it limits afaik
01:09.34ZackEillogical-al Tm_T, you want to play unreal 04 demo :) ?
01:09.35illogic-alSho_: heh. didn't even see your reply :-). some other time then.
01:09.42Sho_illogic-al: sure :)
01:09.43illogic-alZackE: no, full game.
01:09.48Sho_g'night guys
01:09.50Tm_T:)
01:09.55annmabye Sho_
01:09.59ZackEhow much does the game cost btw
01:09.59illogic-alnight shin :-p
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01:10.19solemnwarninghi all
01:10.25Tm_Thi
01:10.36illogic-alZackE: i don't know If i can play w/ the demo version, but I can try
01:10.48solemnwarninghow can i configure the shortcut volume up\down\mute button on a keyboard?
01:10.53madman91no you cant
01:10.58madman91demos only play with demos
01:10.59illogic-alZackE: Tm_T one of you have to start a server though. i know you wont be able to connect if i start one
01:11.02madman91reals only play with reals
01:11.03ZackEdamn
01:11.10madman91i tried before
01:11.14ZackEi guess i should buy the game...
01:11.14illogic-alZackE: like $9 on the internet
01:11.17Tm_Tillogic-al: heh, not with this connection
01:11.17madman91but illogic-al can download the demo
01:11.31ZackEcan i buy a download to the game?
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01:11.45ZackEso i dont have to wait for shipping or go somewhere physically
01:11.49Frederickdoes kde has a system monitor?
01:11.55madman91ZackE: i know of a site called direct2drive.com but its for windows games
01:12.03madman91and you have to subscribe
01:12.05illogic-alZackE: not that i know of
01:12.15Frederickfound it thx folks
01:12.22illogic-alFrederick: ksysguard
01:12.31ZackEwell ill buy it i guess sometime
01:12.34ZackEanyway...
01:12.45ZackEhow can i found out what app opens artsdsp
01:12.48ZackEit makes no sense
01:12.59ZackEas im not running anything that requires sound
01:15.13solemnwarninghow can i configure the shortcut volume up\down\mute button on a keyboard?
01:16.19Ringwraith`solemnwarning,  get out that soldering iron bud ;p
01:16.33thiagoZackE: run artscontrol
01:16.47thiagosolemnwarning: make sure kmilo is running
01:16.52ZackEill try that
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01:20.50orace|hey er
01:21.01orace|there's a free slot for a woman here
01:22.12Ringwraith`do you want me to connect that slot
01:22.33orace|er
01:23.57ZackEthiago: artscontrol: command not found
01:24.19thiagoZackE: too bad. Your aRts installation is broken.
01:24.54ZackEumm ok
01:25.30thiagoartscontrol is the program that can tell you which applications are using arts
01:26.06ZackEim using gentoo, know if i can emerge it with something?
01:26.41ZackEarts is emerged
01:28.09thiagowell, you tell me
01:28.24thiagoartscontrol is part of kdemultimedia
01:28.32snugglemonkeyZackE: did you emerge kde-meta or not?
01:28.47ZackEoh god here it comes
01:29.04ZackEno a ...ebuild!
01:29.28ZackEof 3.5 beta 1
01:29.32snugglemonkeyah.
01:29.43snugglemonkeyZackE: report it as a bug on gentoo bug tracker
01:29.53thiagoor not
01:30.00snugglemonkeyZackE: chances are, it got missed.
01:30.03thiagoartscontrol may simply be in a separate ebuild
01:30.20Aletheswow amarok has a ton of deps when installing it from fbsd ports
01:30.29ZackEim going to quickly search their forums for artscontrol and see if anybody said anything about it
01:30.30snugglemonkeyThe kde-meta build for 3.5 beta 1 should include EVERYTHING kde.
01:30.40ZackEi didnt do kde-meta
01:30.44snugglemonkeyah.
01:30.53snugglemonkeyZackE: which one did you do?
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01:31.35ZackEkde-base/kdebase-startkde
01:32.12snugglemonkeyZackE: check the ebuild by that name in /usr/port... and see if it lists what you seem to be missing...   that's my best guess.
01:32.32ZackEok
01:38.00ZackEwell i dont see how i can get artscontrol without emerging kde meta so im going to go back to my problem
01:38.14ZackEis there a way i can make artsdsp shutdown or not load on startup
01:38.20ZackEeven though i dont know why its loading
01:38.54Ringwraith`you can shut it down via dcop probably
01:39.05Ringwraith`or -x the executable
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01:45.01Chambers`hey guys, is there a way in kmail to set imap folders to download everything locally and syncronize?
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02:09.43ZackEcan i make a script that would disable the kde sound system and close artsdsp
02:11.50HobbseeZachE: not sure about closing artsdsp, but in kcontrol, there's an option in kde 3.5 beta to disable the sound system
02:16.51ZackEk
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02:17.15jagodoes any body know why i cant log login as any body but root? when i try to log in onder my normal login ist just shoots me back to kdm
02:19.39Dhraakelliantry logging in as another user?
02:20.57Alethesanybody here have a working photoshop in wine?
02:21.13jagoi have, the only user that works is root, i did a dist upgrade and now none of the users work
02:22.05Hobbseejafo: does everything else look to be working, except for teh fact that you can only login as root?
02:22.09Hobbseethis is kubuntu breezy, btw
02:22.14Hobbsee*jago
02:22.26jagoyes
02:22.48jagoand yes, thankk you
02:23.20Hobbsee*wonders if the dist install screwed up*
02:23.25Hobbsee*dist upgrade
02:25.14jagoi dont know, but i tried to do it again and see if it fixed the problem but it wount let me re do it and i dont know how to un do it
02:25.27Hobbseedo you have a kubuntu install cd?
02:25.33jagoyes
02:25.37Hobbseea breezy one?
02:25.48Hobbseelike the RC or a daily cd?
02:25.52jagoknow the hurray
02:26.03Hobbseehuh?
02:26.05jagosorry spelling
02:26.33Hobbseeoh ok...fingers are cold = bad spelling lol
02:26.45Hobbseeif you have an RC or daily cd of breezy, install of that
02:26.59jagono huray hedgehog
02:26.59Hobbseethe dist upgrades tend to be more risky, and as you found, didnt work terribly well this time
02:27.25Hobbseeyou on dialup or dsl/cable?
02:27.30jagocable
02:28.00jagoshould i down load the cd
02:28.00Hobbseewant to download a breezy cd?
02:28.06jagoyes
02:28.08Hobbseeyeah, i'll give you a link to the latest one
02:28.14Aletheshaha I ran winzip in wine just to test it and it even puts the systray icon in kde's systray
02:28.14jagothanks
02:28.23Hobbseehttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/
02:28.33snugglemonkeyjago: did you build kde as a certain user?  or did you use some sort of RPM or something of the like?
02:28.58jagoknow it just came installed
02:29.00Hobbseesnugglemonkey: it would have already been compiled as part of the hoary cd
02:29.13Hobbsee:P
02:29.51Hobbseelol
02:29.57Hobbseeat least the channel is quiet
02:29.58jagowhat link do i select? (current)
02:30.23Hobbseeyeah
02:30.34Hobbseethen grab the one for your architecture
02:32.09jagothank you
02:32.33Hobbseeno problems
02:32.47Hobbseei had the same problem when trying to dist upgrade the second time...
02:32.54Hobbseeended up reinstalling hoary
02:33.39jagoshoot so i am going to loose every thing????? :(
02:34.29jagoi tried adding a new user and the new user didn't work ither
02:34.34jagoeither
02:34.57Hobbseedo you have a backup?
02:35.03Hobbseeor /home on a separate partition?
02:35.41jagono but i can back up every thing on my partition for sharing with windows
02:35.46Hobbseeif not, create one when you reinstall, and try and make a backup
02:35.48Hobbseegood idea
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02:36.31jagoyeah i tried to creat a home folder on the other partition when i added a login for my wife but it would not work
02:37.19jagobut hey, may be if i reinstall my burner and cd player will work?? i hope
02:37.46Hobbseeyou were trying to write to ntfs?
02:37.55Hobbseejust burn everything to cd, that's safer
02:38.04Aletheshow much bandwidth am I going to be using if I listen to streaming audio? (I've got 20 gigs a month)
02:38.08Hobbseeall the hidden files in /home as well, as they are a lot of the configurations
02:38.53jagook but my burner won't work in lynux, dont know why
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02:39.45Hobbseewell copy the files over to windows then and burn from there
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02:39.52Hobbseether'es an ext2/3 reader
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02:40.30jagowhat is the ext2/3 reader
02:41.08Hobbseereads your linux files from windows, and can extract them, as long as the partition is either ext2 or ext3
02:41.12jagosorry not as good in linux as id like to be...working on it
02:42.17jagodo you meen i should set up a new partition that is not ntfs or fat
02:42.39SMiLeafext2 and ext3 are the ntfs and fat of linux.
02:43.19jagook so widows will read them???
02:43.20SMiLeafthey are filesystems just like ntfs and fat. only windows doesn't have direct support for them. you can however install something that'll allow windows to read them.
02:43.32jagowhat
02:43.37jago??
02:43.42SMiLeaf...
02:43.49SMiLeafwhat's the question?
02:44.06jagowhat can i install to read them from windows
02:44.20jagoand why is fat32 bad
02:44.34SMiLeaffat32 is good because linux can write to it ;)
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02:45.23SMiLeafit's not good because you can't do advance permissions that linux uses extensively.
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02:46.00jagoso the fat 32 partition that i have been using to swap files back and forth is good but why cant i use it for my home?
02:46.30SMiLeafyou can... it's just not very good.
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02:47.00jagosorry if my questions seem dum but like i said i am not as good in linus as i am in windows yet
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02:47.27SMiLeafnot a problem
02:47.46smithjdunix permissions do not apply properly to fat32 partitions.
02:48.29smithjdsince file permissions are an integral part of what makes linux so powerful, they are used in creative ways by unix applications.
02:48.29SMiLeafhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd  <--- Windows driver to read from EXT2 Filesystems
02:49.16SMiLeafExt2fsd  <--- Think this one is what you want.
02:49.39smithjdif these applications expect to be able to use permissions on specific filesystems (ie fat32) and are unable to, they may behave in unexpected ways.
02:50.13smithjdlike not working at all.
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03:11.21dcophi :P
03:11.24dcopaseigo: are you here?
03:11.36Alethesman, wine has come a long way over the years
03:11.42Alethesphotoshop is running great
03:13.27DhraakellianAlethes, comparing it to The GIMP and Krita?
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03:44.59Petruswhat's the name of the kde developer channel again?
03:45.07Petruskdedev and kdedevel aren't it
03:45.28Alethes#kde-devel
03:45.29chavoPetrus, #kde-devel
03:45.44Petrusthanks
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03:51.51cirehawkAnyone around tonight?
03:52.09themusicgod1define 'anyone'
03:52.48cirehawklol  anyone = musicgod.
03:54.19cirehawkActually, I was hoping to find someone familiar with the KDE wireless configuration tool.
03:58.21themusicgod1over my head, sorry :)
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05:23.23D3M0NI seem to be having a problem compiling kdebase 3.4.2 on Desktop/LX, qt3, arts, and kdelibs all compiled without any issues, but kdebase errors out in khotkeys/konctrol
05:23.27D3M0Nkcontrol*
05:27.19chavoD3M0N, waht's the error?
05:27.47D3M0Nchavo: its on another computer, let me log into irc there real quick
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05:31.30D3M0N1Ok,here it is: http://rafb.net/paste/results/soYWYi62.html
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05:46.07D3M0Nchavo: http://rafb.net/paste/results/soYWYi62.html
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07:08.42pirvingkde runs so well, nobody says anythig here
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07:10.00bmud2lol
07:11.25chimaeraok, so i have a little one, just to keep you occupied: how can is set the folder kmail starts with? it starts in local folders which i don't use (imap)..
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07:31.31lpzhow could it be that when I use konqueror as a web browser, I can't get decent looking view of the pages? Even if I change the fonts it only affects .html files. What could be the problem?
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07:34.37lpzwhen I change the fonts, I expect the web page to be reloaded with the fonts, but it always looks the same no matter which font I use!
07:36.03PhilRodweb pages can specify their own fonts
07:36.17PhilRodyou can tell konq to always override certain settings - probably the font too
07:36.51lpzbut I can't choose the fonts I want to be displayed
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07:37.36lpzhow could it be that I can't surf the web because I can't see the pages well ?
07:37.38lpzit's crazy
07:37.46PhilRodmake a simple test page like "<html><head></head><body>Hello</body></html>", load it in konq, and change the font. Does that work?
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07:37.54lpzOne sec.
07:38.51lpzPhilRod, yes, with such a .html page I can change fonts.
07:39.18lpzPhilRod, but with most of the websites this doens't work like this .html
07:40.13lpzhow could it be?
07:40.13PhilRodgo to settings -> configure konq -> stylesheets -> use accessbility stylesheet
07:40.19lpzone sec.
07:40.27PhilRodthere you can set a font, and select "use same font family for all text"
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07:42.17spiralhi
07:42.33PhilRodhiya spiral
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07:45.43lpzPhilRod, ok your method did change the fonts in the websites that I couldn't change
07:46.10lpzPhilRod, problem is that the webpages has no "feel" to them
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07:50.42lpzit's too difficult to use linux......
07:50.57lpzif one can't enter most of the webpages then it doesn't worth it
07:51.38lpzit doesn't make sense
07:52.05lpzhow could it be that I can't surf the web??? it's crazy
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07:52.22Pixels-what browser are you using?
07:52.29Pixels-konq?
07:52.35lpzPixels-, konq and firefox
07:52.42Pixels-same problems in ff ?
07:52.48lpzin both I can't get any decent fonts
07:52.54lpzPixels-, ff?
07:52.58Pixels-firefox
07:53.00Pixels-sorry
07:53.08lpzPixels-, yes firefox too
07:53.14Pixels-woerd
07:53.18Pixels-wierd*
07:53.28lpzYeah! Too weird!
07:53.31PhilRoddo you just mean that there aren't any fonts that you like installed on your system?
07:53.47lpzPhilRod, no, not at all. I have good fonts.
07:54.00lpzPhilRod, the problem is I can't use the fonts I want.
07:54.27lpzPhilRod, it's seems as though there is one default font to be used with all the websites, except to .html files
07:55.03PhilRodperhaps a screenshot will explain what you mean a little better
07:55.38lpzOk
07:55.49lpzOne moment it will take me two minutes
07:56.31chimaerai have customized my konqueror sidebar, and everything is fine when starting konqi manually, but when it gets started by the session-manager on kde-startup, my customizations aren't there..
07:56.46chimaerawhich profile ist the session manager calling?
07:57.39lpzwhich program takes snapshots please?
07:58.21chimaeraksnapshot
07:58.33lpzok.
07:58.35lpzthanks.
07:58.38chimaeranp
07:59.14chetanrdoes anyone know if mandriva's new interactive firewall is qt/kde based?
08:00.47pirvingplease switch to Slackware
08:02.27lpzhere is the snapshot:
08:02.28lpzhttp://80.178.88.28/firefox.png
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08:03.09pirvingFree os?
08:03.27pirvingI'm using firefox beta 2
08:04.13lpzAgree with me that the fonts are horrible, right?
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08:04.50pirvingoh
08:04.51KatagiaGood morning. I have a little design problem with kde 3.4 I use the baghira theme. I put the menu at the top of the display (controlcenter -Y desktop -> behavior) OS-x style. Unfortunatly only the left part is useable I see some left/right arrows to scroll the menuitems. Where can I remove them? I haven'T found it in controlcenter. I made a picture of my screen:
08:04.51pirvingfonts
08:05.00Katagiahttp://141.7.87.2/~tilo/Bildschirmphoto1.png Any idea
08:05.03pirvingthats eawsy
08:05.05pirvingeasy
08:05.14pirvinggo into the control center
08:05.19pirvingdo you have the control center?
08:05.23lpzpirving, me?
08:05.27benJImankontrol won't affect firefox fonts
08:05.34pirvingit fixed mine
08:06.00pirvingit takes a while to load
08:06.00lpzpirving, are you talking to me?
08:06.11pirvingturn off the font aliasing
08:06.15pirvingunder the fonts area
08:06.39benJImanyou want to have the bytecode interpreter enabled before you turn of antialiasing or they look really bad
08:06.40pirvingor turn on, whatever the case
08:07.10pirvingby clicking that check box, I was able to have much better fonts
08:07.32lpzok, how do I get into control center?
08:07.34pirvingjust FYI to you all
08:07.44pirvingunder the K panel
08:07.57lpzok kcontrol
08:08.08benJImanhttp://www.opensuse.org/Optimal_Use_of_MS_TrueType_Core_Fonts_on_SuSE might help
08:08.16pirvingyes
08:08.20pirvingyour right
08:08.23pirvingappearence and themes
08:08.25pirvingfonts
08:08.25mb-OMG
08:08.28mb-ITS SUSE
08:08.33pirvinguse anti-aliasing fonts
08:08.53pirvingdid you see the screen shot?
08:09.01pirvingit looked just like mine
08:09.08lpzpirving, it's already checked
08:09.15lpzoh turn off
08:09.15lpzsec
08:09.23pirvingthen restart K
08:09.24benJImanlpz: click configure and increase hinting to full
08:09.33pirvingit's just a check box
08:09.36pirvingthats all
08:10.00pirvingunder the Kontrol, Appearence and themes, Fonts, Aliasingblahblah
08:10.01benJImanfonts look horrible with freetype without antialiasing unless you enable the bytecode interpreter or put hinting to full
08:10.10bmud2totally agreed
08:10.36lpzpirving, oh oh that worked! it's much better now! but not perfect yet.
08:10.41pirvingAH HA
08:10.45pirvinga little better
08:10.47pirvingallright
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08:11.03pirvingprogress, now I think benjamin has some things to try
08:11.13lpzOK, cool thanks!!!
08:11.29lpzCan I also change the fonts from kcontrol?
08:11.40benJImannot the firefox fonts
08:11.42pirvingno
08:11.46lpzok.
08:11.49pirvingfirefox is a bit poopy
08:12.15pirvingI have tiny fonts, but  I live with them.  Your better off running a 640 by 480 resolution in ex
08:12.17pirvingX
08:12.31pirvingif you want it to look bigger
08:12.43lpzWow Amazing! I can finally get into webpages!!!
08:12.53pirvinglemme see a screamshot?
08:12.57lpzSure!
08:13.02pirvinglol
08:13.18pirvingput it on your webserver
08:14.45pirvinglearning how to configure X is a long process
08:14.54pirvingbut a well worth one
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08:16.13lpzhttp://80.178.88.28/firefox2.png
08:16.49pirvingmuch better,
08:16.55pirvingdo you have a nvidia card?
08:16.56lpzIndeed!
08:17.05pirvingwhat type?
08:17.09lpzno, I use Ati Radeon X600Pro
08:17.12pirvingOh ok
08:17.17pirvingI haven't worked with those drivers
08:17.38lpzit's the new drivers from the ATI website they work well until now.
08:17.41pirvingI know they do exist
08:17.55lpzlook at the fonts of the menus though
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08:18.02lpzthey have became worse actually
08:18.15lpzmaybe now it's the time to change the fonts in firefox itself?
08:18.51pirvingtime for a driver
08:19.01pirvingRe-install
08:19.21pirvingJust a guess, don't do if you don't think it's a good idea
08:19.30pirvingor if you really want to have some fun, you can re-install
08:19.59pirvingthe entire OS
08:20.02pirvingcfdisk
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08:20.58lpzpirving, it's a new debian installed :)
08:21.06lpzjust installed it two weeks ago or so
08:21.23pirvingbut you said it was working well until now
08:21.25pirving?
08:21.28pirvingsomething has changed
08:21.57pirvingdebian takes forever to install
08:22.15pirvingrun slackware, it should be the distro of choice for everyone
08:22.42pirvingjust my opinion
08:23.22lpzpirving, everything still works  well
08:23.53lpzpirving, just that the fonts now has changed with the menus of firefox. take a look at firefox.png and firefox2.png
08:24.08pirvingum kay
08:24.20pirvingyou can try and change the them in Desktop Switching Wizzard
08:24.23pirvingherd of it?
08:24.25pirvingheard?
08:24.33lpznope
08:24.50pirvingit's in the hmmm
08:24.56pirvinglemme find the command
08:24.57pirvingher
08:25.23KatagiaGood morning. I have a little design problem with kde 3.4 I use the baghira theme. I put the menu at the top of the display (controlcenter -Y desktop -> behavior) OS-x style. Unfortunatly only the left part is useable I see some left/right arrows to scroll the menuitems. Where can I remove them? I haven't found it in controlcenter. I made a picture of my screen:
08:25.25Katagiahttp://141.7.87.2/~tilo/Bildschirmphoto1.png Any idea
08:26.01pirvingkpersonalizer
08:26.05pirvingthats it
08:26.46lpzcool thanks, I'm in it
08:27.00pirvingfind a diff theme
08:27.08pirvingone that has better fonts to your liking
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08:27.23pirvingthis helps me, but I don't know if this helps you
08:27.30pirvingyou can go back after the preview
08:28.52lpzpirving, help with konqueror actually! but not with firefox, but that's not too bad I'll fix it somehow I'm sure it's not a big problem
08:29.10lpzpirving, I'm still AMAZED with the tip you gave me!!!!! it's just AMAZING!!!!!
08:29.14pirvingdownload firefox beta 2
08:29.23pirvingit's better than the 1.7
08:29.27pirvingor whatever it is
08:29.31lpzpirving, I was so miserable for a week I was hopeless!
08:29.41pirvingway better fonts
08:29.43pirvingwhere are you?
08:29.46pirvinga/s/l?
08:29.51lpzpirving, sure I'll try it
08:30.08pirvingwww.getfirefox.com
08:30.12pirvinginstall it to your user dir
08:30.54lpz19 Israel male
08:30.55pirving24/M/Oakland,Me
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08:31.03pirvingallright
08:31.04pirvingcool
08:31.20pirvingUSA
08:31.25pirvingUSA sucks right now
08:31.29pirvingsorry
08:31.40lpzeheh Usa rulez :)
08:31.46Georgeargh, please tell me people aren't ASL'ing on a KDE channel
08:31.47George:'(
08:32.00pirvingGeorge, can I at least know who I'm talking to
08:32.17pirvingThat gives me a little sense of I donno, fun to the channel
08:32.18Georgeit really doesn't matter
08:33.19lpzpirving, hey, I really want to thank you again for your advice because it just simply MADE MY DAY!!! Thanks a LOT! I've to get dressed to work now so I have to go
08:33.29lpzpirving, THANKS AGAIN!
08:34.44pirvinglpz your the man
08:35.03lpzeheh, thanks man :) hope to see you here again!
08:35.15lpzGotta go, Laterz
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08:54.47srednaHello
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08:57.24pirvinghello
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09:13.28pinotreehello =)
09:13.33srednaHi pinotree
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09:35.10marcusUSomething weird is happening with my kmail now. When I reply to a message, it ends up getting send to me even though the Compose window says it's going to the sender of the original.
09:38.19vardhmansomething weird has happened with my KDE too, Somehow the proxy setting are not being used for connection,
09:38.53vardhmanMy PC which is behind a firewall is trying direct connection to sites and I always get timedout error
09:40.08vardhmanI see the proxy been configured as manual but, dunno why Konqueror or IOslave is ignoring it, any suggestion what I should do?
09:40.21marcusUWell, this time I think it worked right. I don't know what the real is. I just know that twice in the past two days I have tried to reply to mail and ended up with in my mailbox instead of the place it should be going.
09:41.07vardhmanmarcusU: so your problem is solved, my still remains :(
09:41.27marcusUI'm worry. I don't really know much about network stuff like firewalls and proxy.
09:42.07vardhmanAny one behind a proxy server here?
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10:42.38sema4hello all.  Anyone know how to setup kde to allow me to right click on a folder and open it with xmms?
10:42.43saeedhello
10:44.18saeedi am unable to access file on fat32 file system on my local partition how i can access it ?
10:44.51sema4saeed: do you have read access to the filesystem ?
10:45.19sema4saeed: im assuming you've mounted it already?
10:45.51saeedyeah it is alreay mounted
10:46.21sema4saeed: what are the perms on the file?
10:47.53Vensonsema4: save  http://pastebin.com/387916   as ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/PlayInXmmsDir.desktop
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10:48.13sema4Venson: tah
10:48.41sema4nice
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10:49.08Vensoni'm assuming you know how to access service menus in kde
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10:50.20sema4Venson: dont think so
10:50.33Vensonsema4: right-click -> Actions .....
10:50.56Vensonsaeed: does the file have special characters in its name?
10:51.00sema4oh ... i see ... that's what were calling them now
10:51.01Tm_Tgoodday to you, comrades
10:51.28sema4Venson: im thinking saeed has the FS mounted as root ... but he isn't
10:52.06Vensoneasy to check, no? cat /etc/mtab and see what options he loaded it with....
10:52.08Vensonor maybe not :>
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11:11.48tchinohello, how can readjust the linkups at the start-screen of konqueror, because it doesn't go right
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11:12.21srednatchino: What is 'linkups'?
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11:16.17tchinosredna: the link buttons, where you can click (trash, network-folder, personal-folder etc.)
11:16.52srednatchino: Try press F9 or go to window->show navigation panel
11:17.45srednatchino: Ehm, what does it do that is not right?
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11:19.33tchinosredna: you have a start screen, when you click on the network-button (link = remote:/), then it comes the message: protoll will not be support)
11:20.08srednatchino: What did you do with your KDE installation since that happened?
11:21.11tchinosredna: oh, i don't know the date
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11:21.58tchinosredna: what do you have there for settings
11:22.23srednatchino: But something must have happened to yuor KDE setup, either you cnahged the installation, or the configuration
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11:23.11tchinowhere can i change the configuration of kde start screen (linkups)
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11:47.28paoleelaCan I make a difference for left click, if I am using Konqueror as filemanager or as www browser? I want left click on pdf to open the application when I am using the filemanager, but the preview for webbrowsing.
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12:26.12DaemionBlissex ?
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12:46.27davidhousehey, how do i set up KDE to print to a server on my windows box?
12:46.32davidhousei can access said box with samba
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12:47.35[-D7-]hello
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12:48.25[-D7-]is it the KDETalk.net server a private Jabber server or is connected to others Jabber servers ?
12:49.15Tm_Tit's public jabber server afaik
12:49.35[-D7-]but I can't to see my GTalk contacts
12:49.50Tm_TGoogle talk is pirvate one
12:50.01[-D7-]ah, :-)
12:50.06Tm_T;)
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12:58.33DaemionBlissex: ?
13:01.13BlissexDaemion: what happened>?
13:02.20DaemionBlissex: hi :) it seems as if i have solved my problems
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13:02.35BlissexDaemion: how was that done?
13:03.01DaemionBlissex: it seems as if the DNS forwarding of my router caused the problems
13:03.21DaemionBlissex: now i need about 12 secconds for renedering gmx.de in konqueror
13:03.39BlissexDaemion: that is somewhat unlikely -- it is hard to imagine that DNS forwarding causes large delays in the uplink packets...
13:04.04BlissexDaemion: what is more likely is that T-dialin reset the ADSL line and/or you got a different line.
13:04.26DaemionBlissex: maybe. but then i must have a bad line for several days
13:04.35Daemion+had
13:04.40BlissexDaemion: that happens fairly often actually.
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13:05.12DaemionBlissex: how long does your konqueror need to render www.gmx.de? i think 12 secconds are okay, rent they?
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13:05.40BlissexDaemion: yes, about 12 seconds...
13:06.32Daemionokay
13:06.48DaemionBlissex: i hope this wont happen to often again
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13:09.06BlissexDaemion: random telecom annoyances usually happen in batches, like 6 months it is OK, then the telecom people rearrange the lines or the equipment at the telephone exchange, and then it gets screwed up...
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13:10.31DaemionBlissex: as long as there is a workaround like using another browser i can live with it
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13:42.12user0any kde 3.5 beta1 live cd's floating around?
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13:51.13NullAcht15question: Konqueror gives me the ability to easily look up <term> in Wikipedia by typing wp:<term>. How do I tell it which language of Wikipedia to use?
13:51.42NullAcht15It defaults to german on my machine, but I'd like it to default to english
13:53.08[-D7-]look in Settings of Konqueror
13:53.27[-D7-]Preferences ---> Settings
13:54.23[-D7-]and something like Quick access ( :/ icon )
13:54.29[-D7-]NullAcht15, ok?
13:54.34NullAcht15yes...
13:54.41NullAcht15following you
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13:55.46[-D7-]my Konqueror has Spanish language, so I don't know how is in English or German
13:55.46NullAcht15Are you suggesting altering the search URI to the english wikipedia? I tried that, it always reverts back to german
13:56.41[-D7-]then the problem isn't of Konqui, it's Google
13:57.02NullAcht15erhm, I'm talking anout Wikipedia here
13:57.10[-D7-]soory
13:57.51NullAcht15I know that Google doesn't even give you a chance to not use the country specific interface (well, maybe they do, but not by simply altering the URL)
13:57.53[-D7-]I'm going to try it
13:58.02NullAcht15But wp doesn't do that
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13:59.06[-D7-]I have got http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=\{@}&go=Go
13:59.10NullAcht15en.wikipedia.org will always present the english version, regardles of your ip or language settings. It's Konqueror/KDE that is reverting the URL back to de.wikipedia.org in its config
13:59.14[-D7-]with wp entry
14:00.22[-D7-]in my case , I have Spanish default lenguage, and in wp entry the English version of Wikipedia
14:00.31[-D7-]and works right
14:01.29[-D7-]NullAcht15, yes ... en.wikipedia.org will always present the english version, regardles of your language
14:01.35NullAcht15maybe that was a conscious decision by the developers because the spanish wikipedia is not yet competitive. The german one is, but still not as god as the english
14:01.50NullAcht15god=good
14:02.06[-D7-]evil=bad
14:02.14[-D7-]I see
14:02.18[-D7-];-)
14:02.18NullAcht15hm, I can't say that, I'm atheist...
14:02.46[-D7-]I don't believe in atheism
14:03.02NullAcht15don't worry. Atheism believes in you
14:03.06NullAcht15;)
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14:03.52[-D7-]I don't know why happen these in yor computer ... does it happen in Firefox too ?
14:04.14NullAcht15erm, firefox doesn't have web-shortcuts?
14:04.28[-D7-]yes
14:04.42NullAcht15so how could this happen in Firefox?
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14:05.06voltybash: 'dcop konqueror-7019 konqueror-mainwindow#2 action removecurrenttab ' writes to stdout 'DCOPRef(konqueror-7019,konqueror-mainwindow#2/action/removecurrenttab), how can I remove that tab actually?
14:05.06[-D7-]they named Quick Searches
14:06.02NullAcht15Oh? I didn't know FF could do this, too. Could you point me to more info?
14:06.05[-D7-]NullAcht15, create a entry in Quick Searches , with Location = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=%s
14:06.22[-D7-]and Keyword = wp
14:06.34[-D7-]( in Bookmarks )
14:08.07[-D7-]type wp <word> in URL bar
14:09.00[-D7-]%s is replaced with <word>
14:11.02[-D7-]NullAcht15, ¿?
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14:12.04NullAcht15yes? It works fine in FF, yes. Why shouldn't it, it's a completely different mechanism than the one in KDE, not tied to KDE at all
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14:14.03[-D7-]yes ..but we know now that is not problem of Wikipedia webpage
14:15.00[-D7-]but Konqueror and wp quick serarch work fine to me ...ummm
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14:15.19NullAcht15hm, okay. The point is, when I switch the URL in the web-shortcuts config to en.wikipedia.org, save it, then go back to the config, it'll say de.wikipedia.org _again_
14:15.35NullAcht15maybe it's because I'm using the svn version
14:15.51[-D7-];-)
14:16.29[-D7-]I was in Germany the last summer...in Black Forest ..nice
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14:17.34NullAcht15yep, nice region to spend the holidays. I'm living in northern germany, though
14:18.20[-D7-]:-P
14:18.28[-D7-]bye
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14:20.40orangeyhey all!
14:20.48orangeyis there some way to manage my movies in kde like amarok or such?
14:20.53user0NullAcht15 it's probably wikipedia autodetecting the language based on your IP. google does this too iirc. might want to check their page on how to override it
14:21.06orangeysomething that might download some cover pictures and descriptions for me and the like?
14:22.23NullAcht15user0: Thanks for your help, but no, it isn't. It's KDE rewriting it's configuration on its own accord
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14:24.20NullAcht15To my knowledge, Wikipedia doesn't even have language detection
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14:28.33srednaorangey: Not that I know of, but look at www.kde-apps.com maybe
14:29.05user0NullAcht15 when you run konq from command line, what url does it try and is it redirected?
14:29.25srednaNullAcht15: Maybe they use your browsers accept-language header, which in the case of konqueror is based on your language settings
14:32.34SMiLeafnah.. it's konq's shortcuts. in mine it's set to en.wikapedia.com if the detection was true it'd make alot more sense to have it default to a non-language specific.
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14:37.19NullAcht15user0: it tries de.wikipedia.org. There is no redirection, at least not to another hostname or language setting
14:38.01NullAcht15sredna: No, Wikipedia does not use the accept-language header. They have a big Gateway page instead where you can choose your preferred language
14:38.21srednaSo, the want to set cookies..
14:38.24sredna:)
14:40.32NullAcht15hm? no, It's simply a gateway page with lots of links to hosts like de.wikipedia.org, en.wikipedia.org, ja.wikipedia.org, fr.wikipedia.org...
14:40.44NullAcht15ordinary HTML-links
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14:41.51srednaSo it's not remembered. Then autodetecting based on the browser accept-language header would be a better choice ;)
14:42.16NullAcht15I don't think so
14:43.14srednaWhy not? Using that, given the user have correct system config it would allways be correct
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14:43.55NullAcht15Well, the real problem is, when I change the redirection url for the wp: shortcut to en.wikipedia.org, save it, then go back to the config, it's set to de.wikipedia.org. I don't think it should do that
14:44.25NullAcht15sredna: not in my case. My language setting is german, but I usually prefer the english Wikipedia
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14:45.44srednaIn that case, a cookie could be a helpful tool then, along with a language switch on the page
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14:48.03NullAcht15why? Anyone who wants can just bookmark de.wikipedia.org or fr.wikipedia.org or whatever directly
14:48.22mrplantwhat is the best app to configure gtk 1.2 applications
14:48.24mrplant?
14:48.35user0well NullAcht15 if your webcut is saved correctly it should first try the url you have entered before anything else. is your desktop file show correctly in $KDEHOME/share/services/searchproviders? or perhaps you missed the initial url request in all the debug clutter?
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14:51.44NullAcht15hm, $KDEHOME/share/services/searchproviders/wikipedia.desktop does indeed show en.wikipedia.org. But the configuration dialogue for the web shortcuts insists on de...
14:52.12user0are there any more .desktop files there with de.wikipedia?
14:52.36NullAcht15no. This is the only file in that directory
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14:53.50user0another wikipedia.desktop on your system somewhere?
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14:56.43NullAcht15yes, $KDEDIR/share/services/searchproviders/wikipedia.desktop, but shouldn't that be overridden by settings in $KDEHOME?
14:57.04user0nope but crazy things happen sometimes i've experienced
14:57.37user0what is the url for that .desktop?
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14:59.06user0ahh ..
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15:01.08NullAcht15user0: there are a number of different urls listed there, with language suffixes. (like Query[de], Query[fi]). That might be the reason why it doesn't work as expected
15:01.17user0yep check that your $KDEHOME desktop has Query[de]=http://en.*
15:01.57NullAcht15That works. I'd still call it a bug, though
15:02.09user0ok what was it before? just Query=?
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15:02.15NullAcht15Just Query
15:02.18user0ahh
15:02.23user0what is your language setting now?
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15:03.03NullAcht15de for KDE, wp: resolves to en.wikipedia.org now (like I wanted it to)
15:03.13cavurnI have RPMd Helix player. IHow can I use it as a plugin for the browser. Right now he browser is using KMPlayer intigrated but I dont think as a plugin.
15:03.30user0im guessing when you made your change to the webcut your language setting was not German?
15:05.01user0yes id probably call it a bug too depending on how it came about. although i cant really think of why it shouldnt work as expected in any case. u should report it imo anyhow
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15:12.58user0cavurn mirage dune, does the browser recognize the plugin?
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15:14.49duneuser8: I dont think so. I tried scan plugin and it only recognized my flash player. Maybe I need to somehow enable helix in konsole?
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15:15.46duneuser0: I had to enable my flash in order for it to be recognized by the scanner
15:17.16duneNot sure how to do that though
15:18.39user0hmm as i recall i think there should be .so files in ~/.mozilla/plugins or something correct?
15:18.56Ringwraith`yes
15:19.06Ringwraith`those are share library objects
15:19.10Ringwraith`kind of like a windows dll
15:19.16Ringwraith`except only better
15:19.22Ringwraith`not voted, virus infected, etc.
15:19.25Ringwraith`er bloated
15:19.31duneok I'll check What does so dtand for?
15:20.02user0i dont have my kde machine handy to see right now but as i recall i have had the helix embedded player work in konq albeit with some scripting problems
15:20.13user0i think so is system object or something
15:20.30Ringwraith`konq is compatable with the nsplugin api
15:20.36user0ya
15:20.37dunean object instead of a library, interesting.
15:20.40Ringwraith`you *shouldnt* have any problems with the plugin itself
15:21.57user0i recall that pages using javascript to control the player never quite worked the way i thought it should, myself. i never really checked into it more than that tho
15:22.00[_]illogic-aluser0: http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html
15:22.08NullAcht15it's basically the same thing as a dll. There is no fundamental difference. It's certainly not an object as in OOP or OOD
15:22.46duneThis is for konqueror though, not Firefox.
15:23.03duneSo I dont think it would be in that mozilla directory?
15:23.33Ringwraith`if im not mistaken konqueror picks up the stuff i nthe plugins folder in .mozilla
15:23.38Ringwraith`am i not correct?
15:23.38NullAcht15Firefox is heavily based on Mozilla code
15:23.44user0oh well it can be put anywhere really. as long as konq is set up to point to the directory
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15:27.20user0illogic-al if you know if konq cares about xpt files?
15:28.25illogic-aluser0: just follow the same instructions and then point konq to the mozilla plugins directory.
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15:28.57illogic-alit's not like having that 2kb file on your HD is taking up that much space.
15:30.12user0ok well im just somewhat curious about it technically
15:31.19illogic-althen delete it and find out :-)
15:31.21user0dune courtesy of illogic-al. simple http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html#Helix
15:32.02user0i will when i get back to my kde machine :)
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15:32.18duner0: Thanks I just have to find out where the Helix plugin was dropped then I can point my plugin grabber to it
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15:32.36kitsuneofdoomhi
15:33.00illogic-alhullo
15:33.06kitsuneofdoomI use kmail, and I was just wondering if there are any console utilities that read kmail's format
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15:34.05illogic-alt know
15:34.23kitsuneofdoomyeah
15:34.28kitsuneofdoomkind of obscure question
15:35.14illogic-alno, not obscure. quite clear actually. I just don't know the answer :-)
15:35.46NullAcht15kitsuneofdoom: kmail uses either mbox format or maildir. Both are pretty much standard
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15:35.58NullAcht15I think you can read both using mutt
15:36.13illogic-ali would guess that it is possible. with some modification since KMail uses maildir format by default
15:36.16NullAcht15which isn't really a commandline utility, though...
15:36.32kitsuneofdoomoh
15:36.41NullAcht15illogic-al: why modifications?
15:36.52jhutchinskitsuneofdoom: KMail uses standard maildir format, but you can set it for mbox, also a standard.
15:37.12kitsuneofdoomok...I bet mine is in maildir
15:37.13illogic-alNullAcht15: to point it to the mail directory for one.
15:37.48jhutchinsMutt would probably work, or pine.
15:37.49illogic-alsince it isn't ~/Mail anymore. To make sure that mail is only being read, because KMail doesn't play nice with other mailers.
15:38.08illogic-alTo make sure that mail is only being read secondly.
15:38.22NullAcht15hm, oh yes, there is the issue with index files
15:38.56kitsuneofdoomkmail doesn't play nice with other mailers?
15:39.05NullAcht15Most mailreader using mbox or maildir also use some sort of (usually hidden) index files to speed up reading
15:39.15cbrwhat's the right way to autostart an app on kde startup?
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15:39.42NullAcht15These index files are not standard
15:39.42illogic-alcbr: Chuck it in $KDEHOME/Autostart
15:39.47jhutchinsNullAcht15: I thought one of the formats included a standardized index.
15:40.09doleybcbr: ~/.kde/Autostart
15:40.09illogic-alcbr: which is usually ~/.kde/Autostart
15:40.18cbrthats a folder right?
15:40.18NullAcht15However, you can usually just delete the index files and most mail readers (including kmail) will recreate the index on next startup
15:40.23cbrand i can put bash scripts there?
15:40.26illogic-alcbr: indeed
15:40.32NullAcht15If in doubt, do a backup first
15:41.28kitsuneofdoomwow...so just to use a text client to read and get mail and have it compatible with kmail, I have to do what now
15:41.57NullAcht15deleting the index files, tough, may cause message you thought you had deleted a long time ago to reappear...
15:42.52srednaNullAcht15: Only with mbox afaik
15:43.07NullAcht15(which is an interesting form of data-loss in itself...)
15:43.09srednaWith maildir, I think kamil actually does delete the mails
15:43.13kitsuneofdoomI'm using maildir
15:43.16kitsuneofdoomI thin
15:43.19kitsuneofdoomk
15:43.23kitsuneofdoomif that's the default
15:43.43NullAcht15iot has been the default for a couple of years now
15:44.10kitsuneofdoomwell, I dunno, I *AM* using the one from Debian Stable...
15:44.42duneuser0: It's a little confusing. It would be nice if KMPlayer would show up in the plugins Tab. Why is it restricted to netscape plugins only?
15:44.42NullAcht15right click on a folder (in kmail), select properties
15:45.05kitsuneofdoomI have to start up kde...wait a sec..
15:45.54NullAcht15I just realized, that might not even actually tell you what format the folder is in...
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15:46.15duneuser0: I scanned in the HelixPlayer plugins directory and nothing shows up in the plugin info tab. I know I can manually do it but it would be nice to scan.
15:46.28kitsuneofdoomsorry
15:46.42kitsuneofdoomirssi hung up for a second
15:47.11user0dune ya that is kinda confusing to be there. the plugins page is just for mozilla based plugins, tho. kmplayer's embedded kpart component is in the file associations tabs like any other kpart
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15:47.45user0dune what do you mean manually do it?
15:47.54kitsuneofdoomwow...that's a problem in itself...KDE won't start for me
15:47.58kitsuneofdoomoh, there it is
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15:49.51ehambergHi. I use Kxkb to switch between two keyboard layout. I want to apply som custon options from ~/.Xmodmap when loading one of them. Is this possible?
15:50.00kitsuneofdoomok, so how do I tell what format it's in?
15:50.05kitsuneofdoomI have kmail open
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15:51.08duneuser0: Yah I think they should allow for oither plugins other then just netscape in the plugin tab otherwise they seem hidden. I wonder why that is. Manually, I mean instead of copy and paste to just scan.
15:51.58bmud2u guys know any print driver/filter/software that can reduce the margin size to be printed (thereby increases the contents size,helps alot in N-up printing) in documents (eg; PDFs) ? (fineprint does that on windows)
15:53.21user0dune yeah. there's also another separate "plugin" configuration place for yet another type of plugin (like the google bar) as I recall too. at least they're grouped. ohh you mean copy the .so?
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15:54.11duneuser0: yes, the so and the xpt file
15:54.46dunePlus I dont know where to really put those files as there are allot of plugin folders.
15:55.10user0dune by default konqueror has a lot of well known places where .so's are found on various distributions i believe. aren't there many locations shown for u in the plugin config page?
15:55.42duneOh well the only reason I have to do this is my KMPlayer doesnt want to read bbc and other files so the Helix or Real Player seems to so that without extra code stuff
15:55.59duneLike bbc news
15:56.21duneYes allot so I can just choose any, ok.
15:56.22superstonedbmud2: can't you just set margins = 0 in the kprint dialogue?
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15:57.31dunePlus I did try to point my plugin scanner to those locations and it didnt seem to pickiup the Helix so and xpt files. Maybe it did anyway.
15:57.41bmud2hmm, is there such a setting ? i'll check it out next time i boot into kde :)
15:58.10bmud2i seriously doubt the behaviour is what i want
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15:58.28bmud2cuz when u do say 4-up printing, it might reduce the margin of the 4-upped page instead of each page before 4-upping it
15:58.34PhilRoddoes kaffeine provide a player that will embed in konq?
15:58.54pinotreePhilRod: iirc kaffeine has a kpart, so yes i guess
15:58.57superstonedwell, i don't think i can help you, then...
15:58.58superstonedsorry
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15:59.18PhilRodpinotree: any idea if that would be used on webpages that use <embed>?
15:59.37pinotreeiirc <embed> uses the default kpart for that mimetype
15:59.48pinotreeif you have kaffeine set as default, sure
15:59.54user0dune yeah it depends on how helix is installed. globally as root it should put the files into one of those locations ready to be scanned. so now what happens when you try the bbc etc site?
16:00.02PhilRodexcellent. Thanks PieD
16:00.05PhilRoderm, thanks pinotree
16:00.09pinotree:)
16:00.12pinotreenp dude
16:00.22duneuser0: I get only sound and no image
16:00.35duneuser0: That is with KNPlayer
16:00.42pinotreePhilRod: ah, obviously, it's in the embedding options of a mimetype
16:00.59user0PhilRod beware i think kaffeine konq embedded has a nasty crash bug that nobody seems to fix
16:02.34user0dune ahh do you usually get image on realmedia or just the ones from those sites?
16:02.48user0dune did you try them yet after the scans too?
16:02.52PhilRoduser0: ok, I'll look out for it
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16:03.42user0PhilRod :)
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16:05.45duneuser0: Yes still not working and Helicx player doesnt come up. I think I didi get a real media image but I am not sure as I dont have real installed.
16:06.42user0dune ok you probably need to go to file associations for the vnd.* whatever it is for realmedia files and add the embedded NSPlugin kpart
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16:08.43user0dune also mplayer may just be missing real codecs. but helix does a better job handling them anyway imo
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16:11.05duneuser0: For realvideo it says HelixPlayer but nothing for embedding
16:11.11user0dune also you might need to duplicate the tab rather than just hit refresh if that's what u r doing. ive noticed that some file assocation updates require a completely new tab before their changes take affect (for some reason)
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16:12.21user0dune ok click add in the embedded section and search around for something with NSPlugin i think it starts with it
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16:14.08duneuser0: ok got that
16:14.32duneuser0: new tab?
16:14.51user0dune ya to be on the safe side. use CTRL+D
16:15.09user0dune i mean CTRL+SHIFT+D
16:15.43user0or if you're paranoid like me, restart konq altogether
16:16.32duneuser0: I did that but still not working. Only KmPlayer still shows up with only mplayer and xine options.
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16:19.02user0dune hmm ok u need to follow the add NSPlugin steps for all the mimetypes. which did you do it for?
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16:21.42duneuser0: I just have the *.rv and *.RV extensions in General also what about the Left Click action panel?
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16:22.59STORMKiNGhi all
16:23.49STORMKiNGi have IPB 2.0.4 and I like change the skin from an xml-file... but not work....
16:24.10STORMKiNGwho can help me?
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16:27.40user0dune do the ones for .ram and .rm too. what left click action panel?
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16:29.43duneuser0, I'm using KDE3.5 so maybe it's new. It's under the embedded tab
16:30.18Skrottohi.. i've got to similar computers. Both running Debian GNU/Linux unstable with kernel 2.6.12 from debian. One uses KDE 3.4.2 and the other uses KDE 3.5-alpha1 - on both machines artsd crashes.. what gives with that? :P
16:30.27SkrottoCrashes as in segmentation fault on startup
16:30.54user0dune oh wow sounds interesting. i have only done 3.4.x i hope it's a good option. i have no idea :)
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16:32.51markeyguys
16:33.00markeyamarok 1.3.3 tarball available
16:33.04markeywe need build testers
16:33.05markeyhttp://www2.truman.edu/~iam504/amarok-1.3.3.tar.bz2
16:33.10markeyif you wish
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16:34.46chandooi am gettting this error when i login ERROR  "INIT: Id "h1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes continiously"
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16:42.25doleybjhutchins: consistent window borders!
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16:46.02KatagiaHi I have a question about transparency in kde 3.4. Fading in and out of windowses is very slow. Is there any way to make this faster?
16:46.03user0file-open dialog that won't make the eyes bleed!
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16:50.23s3[mn]rainCan someone help me with a small problem....I am running kde, and in my kmenu, right below "Utilities" and right above "Find Files/Folders", I have an entry for "Kaffeine" that I do not want there, when I try to use the menu editor and delete the item, it is still there when I view the menu...how do I get rid of it?
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16:53.49user0looks like more .desktop bugs
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17:00.42s3[mn]rainWhen I try and run kmenuedit from terminal I get an error "ERROR: Communication problem with kmenuedit, it probably crashed.
17:00.43s3[mn]rain"
17:00.47techkde panel crashed, and i killed kicker.. how do i  start it again? running kicker doesnt seem to work
17:02.11oGALAXYotech: dcop kicker restart restart
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17:03.26techkonsole locked up too.. i started the run command box and typed in konsole and pushed ok.. run comand locked up too
17:03.31techsomething really weird is happening h ere
17:03.52chetanrhi.. when i try to start ktalkd, it says Socket operation on non-socket and quits
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17:04.44chetanrshould i start it as root or as a normal user?
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17:13.44eXistenZWhat is the best spamfiltering system? spamassassin?
17:15.12srednaSpamassassin is fine on the mail server, but very slow locally. I use bogofilter locally
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17:18.41eXistenZsredna, what about the ordb, did you try it
17:20.15s3[mn]rainOk, so I have discovered that my kmenuedit will not delete anything...arg why is that
17:21.38srednaeXistenZ: Nope
17:22.14srednaeXistenZ: The only spam that isn't trashed automatically here is the failure notices caused by microsofts love fo insanely insecure systems :o
17:22.43duneuser0: Ug, it just insists on using KMPlayer and I dont want to uninstall it because I need it to play Win files. I have all real files ram, rm, etc. pointing to Helix but still KMPlayer plays. Nowhere do I assosiate Real file to KMplayer. I'll try rebooting and then just ask on the forums thanks.
17:22.52eXistenZsredna, what spamfiltering method do you use yourself?
17:23.24srednaeXistenZ: Sa on the server, bogofilter here
17:23.51eXistenZsredna, what server?
17:24.04srednaeXistenZ: My isp
17:24.27srednaeXistenZ: I own a domain with a service where thry provide sa on the mail server
17:24.56eXistenZsredna, do you think it's better than spamassassin?
17:25.46eXistenZsredna, how can I let my Konqueror open the homepage once it opens? I didn't find a place in the configuration file where it prompts konqueror to open the home page automatically
17:32.11srednaeXistenZ: Which home page?
17:32.43srednaAnd no, I think sa is the best spam filter, but it is unnice to run on a workstation
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17:33.55eXistenZsredna, I got google.com as homepage, now when I open konqueror the web browser, it opens a blank page =/ and I need to press the homepage button to get to my homepage
17:35.26titan2005I've got a problem with the Terminal_Interface class, is there a developper that could help me, please ?
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17:37.33srednaeXistenZ: Go to Settings->Save provile 'Web Browsing' and check 'save with URL' and then save the profile
17:37.44srednatitan2005: Try #kde-devel
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17:37.56srednatitan2005: And generally, ask your question ;)
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17:38.22titan2005thanks sredna :)
17:38.28eXistenZsredna, I wonder why Konqueror is slower than firefox
17:38.35eXistenZsredna, are there any special tweaks?
17:38.37srednaeXistenZ: It isn't
17:38.48srednaIme, it's faster
17:38.53oGALAXYokonqueror is faster
17:39.00eXistenZwell, it loads pages slower
17:39.06srednaNo
17:39.06eXistenZbut it runs faster
17:39.28oGALAXYokonqeror is not just a web browser.
17:39.39oGALAXYopeople make the mistake to compare it with firefox
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17:49.42eXistenZWhere can I set the charset for Konqueror?
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17:57.02FrEeKiLLrespect
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17:57.46srednaeXistenZ: View->set encoding
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18:07.54LinuxNIT-laptopdoes anyone here know if you can make the background on kroller transparent?
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18:23.52grepperdoes k3b's copy cd feature not work with only 1 drive even if you select "create image only" ?
18:24.20grepper"start" button on burn dialogue still greyed out
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19:05.56asdfi've got an app launched from the taskbar, i'm wondering how i can set an icon for its widow?
19:06.14asdfwhen i minimize it, it uses the default "X" icon and it's fugly.
19:06.40Shadowcatis it an kde app?
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19:07.50asdfShadowcat: it's a "non-KDE" launched app, simply aterm -e mutt
19:08.03asdfwith an envelope icon
19:08.16asdfbut when i minimize the app it doesn't retain that icon in the taskbar
19:08.32asdfi wasn't sure if there's a way i can assign an icon to that window?
19:09.00maderdhi all, does anybody know why I don't get certain characters on my german keyboard, namely < > and |...
19:09.02maderdwith an English layout it works, and also while being on a virtual console...
19:09.28maderdso it looks like some problem with the keyboard switch tool
19:09.46maderdI'm using SuSE 9.3 on KDE 3.4.2.b
19:11.40jagocan any one tell me how to make my other oartitions show up in the storage media folder
19:12.48jagoi keep getting this mesage when i try to use my dvd rom "The file or folder media:/hdc does not exist."
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19:15.03maderdok, got answer on an other channel.
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19:18.09alekzhow cna i remove the main panel ?
19:18.11alekz*can
19:18.27cbrkillall -9 kicker? :p
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19:21.00_knoppix_hi
19:21.26_knoppix_kann man knoppix auch auf festplatte spielen
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19:30.30jagocan any one help me.... i keep getting this mesage when i try to use my dvd rom "The file or folder media:/hdc does not exist."
19:30.35jagoplease
19:31.13maderdlooks like it doesnt exist
19:31.27maderddid you insert a disc?
19:31.43jagoyes
19:31.51maderddo you use any automounting?
19:31.58jagoyes
19:32.04maderdwhat distro?
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19:32.22jago5.10
19:32.29maderd???
19:32.38maderdwhat distro should that be?
19:32.49jago3.4.3
19:33.14jagokubuntu 5.10, kde 3.4.3
19:33.25maderdthats kde... and i think tha recent one is 3.4.2
19:33.38maderd3.4.3 is not yet stable?!
19:33.43maderdor available
19:33.47maderdanyway
19:33.57maderdcan you eject it again
19:34.10maderdthe disc I mean
19:34.19jagoyes
19:34.32jagosorry not any more???
19:35.09maderdwell, sorry but that shouldnt happen
19:35.26maderdim just narrowing down the cause
19:35.27jagoi didn't think so
19:35.40maderddid it work before?
19:35.41PhilRodprobably a problem with your /etc/fstab
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19:36.11maderdif hes using automount there should be no fstab entry for removables?
19:36.57maderdoh. sorry
19:36.57maderdwas wrong
19:38.27PhilRodI don't think media:/ is designed to work with automounters. Or maybe it is. I'm going to shut up now :-)
19:38.31PhilRodbrb
19:38.39maderdit is
19:38.55maderdworks beautifully on my suse box
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19:39.02maderdnever had any trouble
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19:39.20jagoit used to be able to see all partitions and storage media but after reinstalling it can only see floppy
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19:39.39Thorrn4hello! I was wondering: how can u set k3b to burn a bootable CD? where is the setting?
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19:40.13eXistenZsredna, still there?
19:40.17maderdwell then somethings defintely wrong
19:40.50srednaeXistenZ: Sure
19:41.14maderdlooks like some very buggy etc/fstab
19:41.46jagoit just says that it is not in the media:/ folder, i thought if i could manually add it ti would work, but i can't figure out how
19:42.52srednamedia:/ reads fstab
19:43.00jagooh
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19:48.30eliripshello people. my knode seems to hide all the "old" post..  but i cannot find anything in the settings to disable this. anyone an idea?
19:49.42mabuHas anyone working Akregator?
19:49.58Sho_Yup
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19:50.56mabuMine has just stopped working two days ago
19:51.09mabuI update all feeds and there is nothing new
19:51.22mabuBut If a go to a feed page there is a lot of news
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19:58.56Thorrn4hello! I was wondering: how can u set k3b to burn a bootable CD? where is the setting?
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19:59.52edulixThorrn4: you just burn the iso ?
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20:00.33Thorrn4ok
20:00.33edulixthat's usually the case if for example you want to burn your knoppix iso or something
20:00.37Chambers`hi guys, how do i empty the trash can in kmail?  I right click on it and nothing comes up that says empty
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20:03.27srednaChambers`: File->Empty all trash folders
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20:05.30vbhanuHi, i want to make a small app which does this: it is a window with two buttons, next and cancel the typical installer types
20:05.52Chambers`well, here's what's going on.  I imported some folders from outlook express, so it created the OE-Name of Folder folder.  I moved the messages to my inbox/trash folders.  And then moved the OE-NameofFolder to the Trash can, but it's still there, I can't get rid of that folder?
20:06.00vbhanui take some input and process it and then upon pressing next take more input
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20:06.45vbhanuhow should i start think kdevelop would be a good tool to do this job please help me get started coz this wud be the first thing that i do on kdevelop
20:07.38srednavbhanu: A dialog application, I bet there is an appropriate template in kdevelop. But try asking in #kdevelop for support with that
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20:08.46eXistenZsredna, I got all the settings of my kdm well-configured, including a background through the control center, but still I don't have a background when kdm launches.
20:09.15srednaeXistenZ: I have no idea why, it works fine here
20:09.23srednaAnd for everyone else I'd guess
20:09.44eXistenZsredna, can I give you remote access?
20:10.08srednaeXistenZ: No
20:10.18eXistenZ:'(
20:10.24srednaI can't take time for that right now, sorry
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20:16.05nicholasDoes anyone here know of a way to set up konsole so that it won't interpret Alt-<key> combinations?
20:17.30Dhraakelliansettings > configure shortcuts?
20:17.59eXistenZsredna, can I paste you the kdm.log?
20:18.35nicholasWell here is my problem. I want to use this program a+ which uses alt key combinations in a special way, but when I enter something like Alt-s I get ^[s
20:18.54Dhraakellianah
20:18.56Dhraakellianno idea
20:19.04Dhraakelliansomeone else might know, but I don't
20:19.06nicholasIn xterm I get the correct symbol which is  ó
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20:19.44eXistenZsredna, here it is: http://pastebin.com/388450 .
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20:55.58AssociateXpeople
20:56.24AssociateXwhat is the tool that does menu updates?
20:56.43AssociateXnm found it
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21:32.49pinheirohi guys
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21:33.29pinheiromy screensavers just disapered
21:33.43Vensonwhat distro?
21:33.47pinheiroany ideas how to fix it?
21:33.52Vensoni'm guessing fedora?
21:33.55pinheiromandriva
21:34.04Vensoni see. try asking in #mandriva yet?
21:34.10annmadisapeared. what do you mean?
21:34.19Vensonthey might've packaged it differently
21:34.23annmadisappeared from your herd disk?
21:34.27annmahard
21:34.31pinheirothey dont apear on the menu
21:34.39Vensonthey're prolly not installed, for all i know
21:34.57pinheirothey usualy are in................?
21:35.10Vensoni dont know...that's why i said ask in #mandriva :)
21:35.39annmapinheiro: why do you say: just disapeared
21:35.40pinheiroyea they dont like me mutch there, ;)
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21:35.56annmawhat happened, you had them before?
21:36.01pinheirocouse i used to have them,
21:36.11pinheiroim gessing this is a menu thing
21:36.16annmawhy don't they like you in #mandriva? you behaved badly?
21:36.37pinheiroyes i use strange rpm sources aka not oficial ones
21:37.10pinheirobut i need the latest kde ;)
21:37.23annmawhat strange rpms?
21:37.32annmaname them please?
21:37.37Vensonserves you right lol
21:37.47pinheiroSOS and thac
21:37.49annmawould that be Ze rpms?
21:37.51annmalol
21:37.58annma\you are on your own for those
21:38.00pinheiro:)
21:38.11pinheiroheheheh
21:38.15annmaask the guys, we already are fed up with these
21:38.29annmaif you need latest, then compile yourself
21:38.35annmalike I do
21:38.44pinheiro??????????
21:38.46annmayou would lose less time in the end
21:38.57annmaget the sources fropm svn and build KDE yourself
21:39.32pinheiroannma:  not to be a pain but compiling kde stuf in mandriva is worts than dificult
21:39.49annmalol
21:39.50Vensoni wish i could compile.....my laptop's constanly around 80 C...
21:39.55Venson*constantly
21:40.11annmapinheiro: why? actually I compile 2 KDE versions... on mandriva!!!
21:40.30annmait's even easier than with other diostros
21:40.48annmayou miss a lib? urpmf tells you waht package to install
21:40.49pinheiroim no coder but my expiriences on the make thing in mandriva or mandrake is bad
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21:41.03annmathen change distro
21:41.14annmayou don;t make sense by using stupid rpms
21:41.20pinotreeAPT r0ks
21:41.24pinheiroyea im changing ti suse
21:41.30pinotreehey pinheiro =)
21:41.37annmathe thac rpms cannot work, we had to help here the guys to make them
21:41.41pinheirohey fellow tree
21:41.53pinotreepinheiro: you can use apt on suse =)
21:41.57annmapinotree: PLEASE tell your friend not to use Ze rpms!!!!
21:42.01Vensonfrom what i've seen ubuntu and suse are providing latest kde packages real fast....
21:42.16annmapinotree: pinheiro here uses Ze rpms!!!!
21:42.17Vensoneven beta ones.....too bad for me on slackware
21:42.25pinotreeannma: sure, neither me would use those if i were using mandriva
21:42.36annmahe uses them!
21:42.41pinotreeoO
21:42.42pinheironow im using SOS
21:42.47annmaand then he asks here for help!!!
21:42.55pinotreepinheiro: Zé's rpms are TheEvil(tm)
21:43.03pinotreeannma: ^^^
21:43.09annmayeah
21:43.18pinheirohow come?
21:43.19annmait's like I built those myself
21:43.38pinotreepinheiro: he apply "random" patches in the kde sources
21:43.39annmathat Ze always come here to complain about things, he does not know anything about RPMS
21:44.03annmahe cannot make rpms that work, he does not know a thing about compilation
21:44.18pinheirowell apart from the menu bug i must say they are prety stable
21:44.27annmapinheiro: look at the mailing lists the number of mails he sent in September and look at the questions
21:44.36annmayou'll see by yourself
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21:44.58pinheiroim no coder just uzer so i have just the uzer prespectiv
21:45.37annmayes but you ask for help so we tell you
21:45.38pinheiroto tell you the truth i had more bugs and random craches with the oficial mandriva ones
21:45.49annmaif you are user, you wait like all users that 3.5 is out
21:46.03pinheiroi just asked for kde help
21:46.10annmaif you are advanced user and you want 3.5, you build it
21:46.10Vensonheh
21:46.18annmawe can help you to build KDE
21:46.26annmaI wrote a tutorial on that
21:46.50annmayou can have help on kde but not on Ze rpms
21:47.06pinheiroannma: im an uzer but also an artist working actvely on kde, im full with work for kde and have absolutly no time to leran nothing
21:47.23annmayes, aren't we all?
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21:47.39annmause a script to build kde if you need 3.5
21:47.56Vensonannma: i read kde 3.5 needs scons to build? or would that be 4.0?
21:48.14annmaVenson: lol, don't mix it all!!! kde 3.5 needs automake
21:48.18Vensonah ok
21:48.28annma4.0 will need scons (it's not even done yet)
21:48.31Vensongotcha
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21:48.38pinheirothat the reoson im chaging to suse
21:49.01annmapinheiro: ok but don;t say it's difficult to build kde on mandriva as it is not
21:49.07pinheiroand all i asked is the defoult location of the wallpapers
21:49.18Vensonyou were asking about screensavers
21:49.22annmaI suceeded first time I tried and I knew nothig of linux and was no developer
21:49.29Vensonlol
21:49.36annmawhere is your KDEDIR pinheiro ?
21:49.46pinheirousr but you know that
21:49.49annmaVenson: yeah, more newbie than me you cannot find
21:50.05Vensonannma: i can...when i look in the mirror
21:50.13annmaVenson: no, surely not
21:50.32Vensonannma: surely yes :P ....i messed up the first time i tried to build kde.....had to get instructions from Jes
21:50.51Vensonhaven't attempted since then
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21:50.55annmaVenson: I was more newbie than you, knoew nothing about linux or unix or PCs
21:51.05Venson:)
21:51.31annmapinheiro: /usr/share/wallpapers
21:51.38annmawhat do you have here?
21:51.56annmahmm, screenssavers or wallpapers?
21:52.06annmawallpapers, right
21:52.11pinheirowalpapers
21:52.25annmapinheiro: look in /usr/share/wallpapers and paste the first line of ls
21:52.30cbris there any ETA on the first usable betas/alphas of kde4?
21:52.40annmacbr: not usable
21:52.55cbrwhat do you mean?
21:52.56annmaalphas and betas are like a year ahead
21:53.03cbroh :p
21:53.34cbrbut can one use qt3 apps with kde4?
21:53.40annmano
21:53.42pinheiroannma:  lien-night.jpg                  gear-flowers.svgz.desktop   mystical_rightturn.jpg
21:53.48pinheirothe walpapers
21:53.52pinheirohas i said
21:53.52annmathere is no kde4 yet per see anyway
21:53.53cbrannma: but qt4 apps with kde3?
21:54.03annmacbr: use?
21:54.09cbrwell yes
21:54.12annmacbr: define use
21:54.15cbrhow will the transition go?
21:54.21cbrwell start them, work with them
21:54.22annmaif you have qt4 you can "use" a qt4 app
21:54.47cbrbut you cant use qt3 apps when you have kde4?
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21:55.01annmapinheiro: do you have a lot of them?
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21:55.10pinheiroyea
21:55.10annmacbr: what is kde4?
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21:55.12pinheirosome
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21:55.27pinheiroabout 50
21:55.34annmacbr: qt3 apps need qt3
21:55.59annmaso if you have "kde4" whatever that is and also qt3 you can "use" qt3 apps
21:56.02cbrannma: for example amarok would be done in qt4 lets say in a month.. could i use it under kde3.5?
21:56.06annmalol
21:56.16annmacbr: you don;t know what you are talking about
21:56.27cbrno i don't :p
21:56.27annmaamarok will use qt4 and kde4
21:56.47annmabut there is no real kde4 right now to "use"
21:56.56annmawe don;t know when there will be one
21:57.18annmakde4 apps require kde4 and will not run under kde3.5
21:57.24cbrbut will there be a painful period of transition? like when kde4 is ready but the apps arent or smth?
21:57.33annmanot at all
21:57.43annmapainful for devels, surely
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21:57.50annmafor users, surely not
21:58.00annmapinheiro: so what is your problem?
21:58.15annmawhen you choose a wallpaper, what happens?
21:58.18pinheiroscreensavers
21:58.32cbrannma: so if i have a qt3 and kde3 based amarok, and i upgrade to kde4, i can still use it.. or do i have to wait for a version of it that's based on qt4 and kde4?
21:58.34pinheirosory if i said wllpapers
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21:58.53annmacbr: as a user you keep your kde3 version and that's it
21:59.14cbrso it's backwards compatible?
21:59.18annmayou do NOT upgrade to kde4 before your distro has packages
21:59.28annmayou use kde3 with kde3 apps
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21:59.57annmayou will not have a kde4 amarok for kde3
22:00.15annmain 1 year you will have kde4 and all the apps for it
22:00.33cbrbut the apps that are not in the big monolithic build?
22:00.38cbrwill they come a bit later?
22:00.42cbrthan kdelibs
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22:00.52annmawhat big moolithic build?
22:01.04cbrwell kde
22:01.24pinheirocbr is talking about all the non kde aps but that work nicely with qt and kde
22:01.28annmaif you are not a developer you don;t have to bother about kde4
22:01.59annmakde4 is something that does not exist yet as such, there is only some porting done
22:02.42magyarrunning amd64 port while using xmms on KDE, having problems with loading xmms-kde, it seems to be compiled against kdelibs4, which is not instalable in sid.
22:02.50magyarcan someone help a brother?
22:03.01annmakdelibs4????
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22:03.11cbrmagyar: it's kdelibs4c2
22:03.12annmaah, the debian notation
22:03.14annma!!!!!!!!!!!
22:03.17magyarannma, thats what i mean?
22:03.21annmaoh man
22:03.23cbr#debian-kde
22:03.26cbrbeat those guys
22:03.35magyarcbr, tried that, but nada
22:03.36cbror file a bug
22:03.44annmaagainst debian
22:03.52magyaris there a way to recompile xmms-kde for my platform?
22:03.55cbrthat it needs to be built with the gcc4 based kdelibs
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22:05.07_Gianlucac'è qualcuno italaiano?
22:05.15cbrmagyar: xmms-kde deps are fine for me..
22:05.22annmawe speak English here, _Gianluca
22:05.27_Gianlucaok
22:05.32_Gianlucaannma
22:05.41_Gianlucacan someone help me
22:05.48magyarcbr, i blanked on that last comment
22:05.52cbrxmms-kde (3.1-2) unstable; urgency=low
22:05.53cbr<PROTECTED>
22:06.06_Gianlucai need a divx player for suse 9.3
22:06.24cbrmagyar: it should work
22:06.54cbrtry to update the apt-get cache
22:07.03_Gianlucai am a new user of linux
22:07.25_Gianlucaand i don't understand very well how it works
22:07.29cbr_Gianluca: try mplayer
22:07.36magyarcbr, i am on sid "AMD64" right now and it complains about "kdelibs4" i have "kdelibs4c2"
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22:07.49cbrmagyar: oh.. the amd64 port
22:08.07cbr3.1-1: amd64 m68k
22:08.18_Gianlucai tried but i don't succed to let it works
22:08.28cbrmagyar: file a bugreport against it on bugs.debian.org that the amd64 version needs rebuilding too
22:08.46magyarcbr, roger
22:08.49pinheiroannma:  /usr/share/applnk/System/ScreenSavers
22:08.51_Gianlucawhen i tried to configure it it says me i don't have libreries
22:09.01pinheiroand they are all there
22:09.20_Gianlucaand i tried install pango
22:09.20cbr_Gianluca: i believe suse has packages for it
22:09.27annmapinheiro: so what happens exactly?
22:09.39_Gianlucaand says me that is old
22:09.45_Gianlucalike version 1.8
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22:10.01_Gianlucaand the version 1.10 i whant to install
22:10.01annmapinheiro: where do you set your screensaver?
22:10.13pinotree_Gianluca: try asking in #linux-it , that's more general and italian-speaking channel
22:10.18_Gianlucait's don't recognised by gtk
22:10.31pinheiroin the menu wen rightkcliking the mose on the desktop
22:10.40pinheiromose :) mouse
22:11.00_Gianlucaokz tnks
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22:11.37annmapinheiro: Configure Desktop -> Screensavers
22:11.56pinotreewow, i told him to go in anpther channel, mode handy for him, and he disconnected :-/
22:12.10pinheiroyea
22:12.22annmapinheiro: you don;t have the screensavers there?
22:12.45pinheirono annma, im gessing its ponting to some wrong plade
22:12.50pinheiroplace
22:13.13pinheirois there some wer i can configure that?
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22:14.28annmapinheiro: in konsole
22:14.34annmaecho $KDEDIRS
22:14.38annmapaste the result
22:14.50pinheiro/usr
22:14.54pinheirojust that
22:15.57pinheirothis bug is not somthing new to me and i have it from time to time from the since  8.2 days
22:16.16annmado you have only 1 kde version?
22:16.27pinheirothe menu thing never worked very well in my mandrivas/mandrake
22:16.30pinheiroyes
22:16.46annmathis is not menu, this is configuration
22:17.17annmaso you have absolutely othing in there and sometimes you have something?
22:17.24annmawhat about a new user?
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22:18.29pinheirono
22:18.46pinheirobut a thiferen uzer will probly have this right
22:18.52pinheirodiferent
22:19.25pinheiroletme chek if root has this working
22:19.33annmanot root
22:19.46annmaa different NOT root user
22:19.51pinheirook
22:21.08cuartzhi, im new using linux and i wanna know if i can run windows aplications and if thats posible how can i do that
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22:21.46annmacuartz: ask in your distro channel. It is possible using wine but ask in #distro_name
22:22.04annmacuartz: here we only deal with KDE questions
22:22.18cuartzok
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22:25.22pinheiromumm not working also
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22:26.19annmapinheiro: so your installation is messed probably which is not a surprise
22:26.36annmabut if the rest works OK maybe you can live without screensavers
22:26.43pinheiroyea i can
22:26.59pinheiroi just wnated to know how to fix this litle bug
22:27.24pinheirothanks any way
22:28.43annmathis is obviously a rpm bug
22:29.06pinheiroim not sure couse it worked for so long
22:30.40annmaif it was a setting it would work for a new user
22:30.51annmaso it's not a setting in your user
22:31.07annmareinstall maybe
22:31.14annmakderatwork
22:31.18pinheirodoing just that :)
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22:38.17abydoswill someone please add an import function to kopete?
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22:39.24madpenguin8will someone please add don't ask again check boxes for the dialogs when you login that ask if you want to add X contacts to your list
22:40.04abydoswill someone add please consider the massive number of accounts i have configured in gaim that I want in kopete before they start making stupid elitist replies
22:40.39madpenguin8abydos: are you aiming that at me?
22:40.57abydosliteral "import".  Hell, even NS Communicator could import settings from Outlook.
22:41.07abydosmadpenguin8:  I'd say so, yes.
22:41.16abydosoh wait.
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22:41.26chavoabydos, you should be able to get a refund still.
22:41.28madpenguin8well, if you knew better you'd know I'm complaining along with you
22:41.40abydosmadpenguin8:  yeah, sorry.  Long day at work.
22:41.44madpenguin8;p
22:42.00abydosand I just switched to kde from gnome, and I'm having a helluva time with my multimedia keys
22:42.18madpenguin8abydos: khotkeys
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22:42.38chavokmindcontrol for multimedia keys
22:43.09abydoschavo:  try again, that's not in ubuntu's repos
22:43.34chavoabydos, only for people that don't complain about free stuff.
22:43.47abydosuniverse is in my sources.list.
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22:43.54abydosso is multiverse.
22:44.11chavoit's in ultramegaverse, but you need to be on the A list.
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22:44.32jcapotehow can I enable file previews for things like jpgs and stuff
22:44.46jcapotekde 3.4 on suse 10 btw
22:44.54madpenguin8jcapote: konq, view > previews
22:45.28chavojcapote, most are on by default. Not sure about Suse though
22:45.29jcapoteok that works inside konq, what about files on the desktop
22:45.33jcapotethey are
22:45.48jcapotethose only preview if I pass the mouse over them
22:45.48chavodoesn't work on desktop afaik
22:45.53madpenguin8jcapote: right click, config desktop iirc
22:45.58madpenguin8it does
22:46.36jcapotegot it thanks!
22:46.40chavoah ok, there is a setting for it. I never use the desktop for stuff anyway
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22:50.47simmerzim getting an error in 3.4.2 saying the KDE mediamanager is not running. trying to use hal/dbus/pmount
22:51.13chavosimmerz, try running kded from run dialog
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22:51.37simmerzchavo: already running.
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22:51.57chavoalright
22:52.00somekool_anyone got an iSight working with kopete ?
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22:52.19simmerzits ok. its working now
22:54.46simmerzwith pmount i shouldn't need to have entries in /etc/fstab but the media:/ kioslave is complaining that there is no entry for sde1
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23:02.17unitionkde = the good stuff ?
23:03.05madpenguin8indeed
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23:10.42madpenguin8unition: why do you ask?
23:20.26eXistenZwhat is the shortcut for the console
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23:45.22Chambers`hi guys, is there any way I can start kio_ipodslave to see if it sees my iPod?
23:45.43Chambers`i can't get my distro to recognize the iPod
23:47.25madpenguin8Chambers`: have you mounted your ipod?
23:47.47Chambers`no i have not
23:48.06Chambers`i looked for /dev/sda but it's not there
23:48.11madpenguin8try mounting it at /mnt/ipod
23:48.30madpenguin8your dmesg doesn't show it?
23:48.52Chambers`not sure, how can i check?
23:49.08madpenguin8type dmesg at the prompt after you plug it in
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23:50.27Chambers`nope, nothing
23:50.32Chambers`see's my pocketpc
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23:50.55madpenguin8hmm, what distro?
23:50.56Chambers`and the ipod says charging and not "do not disconnect"
23:51.16chrisagnever will Chambers`
23:51.30chrisagthats dictated by an ipod driver...
23:51.36madpenguin8no!
23:51.40Chambers`really?  I thought when connected it says "do not disconnect"
23:51.53chrisagwell mine never has :\
23:51.56madpenguin8if you eject it, it will say OK to disconnect
23:51.57chrisaglol
23:52.33Chambers`so it should say do not disconnect, ok, going to take it out and them plug it back in
23:53.10madpenguin8chrisag: http://madpenguin8.pwsp.net/ipod_rok.png
23:53.36madpenguin8and eject umounts it before eject btw
23:53.56Chambers`what the heck, i unplugged my pocket pc and dmesg still says PocketPC PDA converter now attached to ttyUSB0
23:54.09chrisagah my ipod shuffle is found automatically and has been ok without manual intervention
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23:54.36markithi :) anyone that uses kiosk?
23:55.40Chambers`i am going to reboot again

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