| 00:00.11 | Redb3ard | thanks |
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| 00:01.07 | chotchki | quick question guys if i am testing out the kde3.5_beta1.... i have to upgrade the hal implementation to 0.5.x. is this still usable under kde3.4? I'm concerned whether i can still have a fall back option if kde3.5 doesnt work |
| 00:02.12 | chotchki | on a side note, im running gentoo on a amd64 platform |
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| 00:04.20 | HuntsMan | chotchki: you don't need HAL to test 3.5B1 |
| 00:04.29 | HuntsMan | you just won't have media:/ |
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| 00:05.08 | chotchki | okay |
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| 00:06.43 | Hauswand | whats the name of the packages provides the konqueror menu "extract" ? |
| 00:07.13 | chotchki | Hauswand: i think thats provided by 'ark' the extraction program |
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| 00:10.16 | AllanonJL | chotchki: where have you been? |
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| 00:11.47 | chotchki | AllanonJL: working, studying, trying to get some sleep |
| 00:12.53 | Hauswand | chotchki, yes, but there is anoiter one too |
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| 00:19.15 | chotchki | Hauswand: im not sure to be honest |
| 00:19.26 | canllaith | Hauswand: kdeaddons |
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| 00:29.00 | Hauswand | yes ive got it |
| 00:30.07 | Hauswand | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29125 <--- i want to install this theme ... the how to install says something with Icewm ... i don't know what it is and i don't have it |
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| 00:43.17 | loren | Q: what's the most Mac like Desktop Environment? |
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| 00:44.55 | lordknow1 | if i wanted to manually edit my menus |
| 00:45.01 | lordknow1 | where would i find them stored? |
| 00:45.08 | canllaith | loren: I'd have to say, OSX. |
| 00:45.27 | straw | loren: both gnome and kde have aspects that could be considered mac-like |
| 00:45.56 | loren | lol |
| 00:46.02 | loren | straw: that |
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| 00:46.26 | loren | straw: yeah I know, I'm personally thinking about deploying Darwin with some desktop environment to make it "mac like" |
| 00:46.51 | hydrogen | there are some os-x clone themes for kde on kde-look.org |
| 00:47.03 | straw | lordknow1: ~/.local and ~/.config |
| 00:47.09 | straw | doh... |
| 00:48.22 | straw | loren: kde is of course the superior choice ;) |
| 00:48.38 | loren | sraw: XD, >=D |
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| 00:52.21 | Gueneviere | Hey, is there a keyboard shortcut to access the start menu thing? my mouse isn't working, and i can't figure out how to reactivate it without getting to yast |
| 00:52.46 | Hauswand | can someone help me with my problem? |
| 00:53.07 | Gueneviere | nebody know? |
| 00:54.16 | straw | alt+f1 |
| 00:54.43 | Gueneviere | tnx! |
| 00:54.58 | straw | yup |
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| 00:55.31 | straw | Hauswand: it works better if we actually know what the problem is |
| 00:56.20 | Hauswand | i wrote it before i disconnected for a moment |
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| 00:56.29 | yansanmo | straw: he wants to install this: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29125 |
| 00:56.31 | Hauswand | but i'll repeat it |
| 00:57.04 | straw | i have that installed |
| 00:57.23 | Hauswand | yes thats it |
| 00:57.30 | Hauswand | straw, how do i install it? |
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| 00:57.39 | Hauswand | i see nothign with ice wm |
| 00:57.45 | Hauswand | in kcontrol |
| 00:57.57 | straw | Hauswand: lets do it manually |
| 00:58.11 | Hauswand | can you show me how pls? |
| 00:58.13 | straw | cd ~/.kde/share/apps/kwin/icewm-themes |
| 00:58.18 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | they kde have some webcam appz ?! |
| 00:58.19 | yansanmo | it's hard to do it with the mind... |
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| 01:00.35 | straw | Hauswand: are you there? |
| 01:00.44 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | did :) kde have some webcam appz ?! |
| 01:01.06 | Hauswand | of course straw |
| 01:01.36 | straw | Hauswand: did the directory exist? if not, you can create it |
| 01:01.44 | Hauswand | it does |
| 01:01.49 | Hauswand | i'm in their |
| 01:02.20 | straw | Hauswand: just untar the .gz there |
| 01:03.35 | Hauswand | done |
| 01:03.39 | straw | damn. this stupid playstation emulator disabled repeat on my kb |
| 01:03.46 | Hauswand | but i can't find it in kcontrol? |
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| 01:04.39 | straw | Hauswand: look for IceWM under Window Decorations |
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| 01:05.16 | Hauswand | there isn't something like this |
| 01:05.21 | Gueneviere | does anybody have any idea why my mouse doesn't work everytime i reboot now? |
| 01:05.29 | Gueneviere | anywhere i should look? |
| 01:05.46 | annma | now? since when? |
| 01:06.11 | Alethes | dmesg |
| 01:06.17 | Alethes | or the X error log |
| 01:06.34 | straw | Hauswand: Leds-1.0 should appear *within* IceWM |
| 01:06.57 | Hauswand | mhm straw what shall i untar? "Leds-1.0.tar.gz" or the archive in there "iceWM-Leds-1.0.tar.gz" ? |
| 01:07.05 | Gueneviere | hmm... since yesterday |
| 01:07.12 | Gueneviere | i was fing w/ it a bit |
| 01:07.20 | Gueneviere | trying to get the rest of my buttons to work |
| 01:07.30 | Alethes | then you probably screwed up the X config |
| 01:07.37 | Gueneviere | lol, whats that... |
| 01:07.40 | Gueneviere | im uber n00b |
| 01:07.57 | straw | Hauswand: http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/strawman/straw-icewm-snapshot1.png |
| 01:07.58 | Alethes | the file that sets up the display, mouse and keyboard |
| 01:08.02 | annma | in your distro, is there something to set up stuff? |
| 01:08.10 | annma | Gueneviere: what distro is it? |
| 01:08.14 | Gueneviere | im using suse 9.3 |
| 01:08.19 | Gueneviere | but i had to do ftp install |
| 01:08.30 | annma | hmm, surely there is a tool to configure the mouse |
| 01:08.30 | Gueneviere | my burn didn't work (what a piss of that was) |
| 01:08.37 | Gueneviere | sax2? |
| 01:08.40 | annma | ask in #suse |
| 01:08.41 | Gueneviere | yast? |
| 01:08.51 | Gueneviere | yeah, i have spoken w/ them |
| 01:08.52 | annma | Gueneviere: no idea, I never used Suse myself |
| 01:08.56 | Gueneviere | ahh okay |
| 01:09.03 | straw | Hauswand: oh, yes you're right. i'd forgotten |
| 01:09.15 | Gueneviere | oh i should point out, that as soon as i open up yast it starts working again on its own |
| 01:09.16 | annma | but there must be a tool to configure your mouse (as root probably) |
| 01:09.24 | Gueneviere | i'll look around |
| 01:09.33 | Gueneviere | tnx tho |
| 01:09.41 | annma | good luck! |
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| 01:09.59 | straw | Hauswand: Leds-10.kcsrc is a color scheme, the tarball is the actual theme |
| 01:10.32 | straw | blast. brb |
| 01:11.39 | Hauswand | mhm what is with this scheme? |
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| 01:12.06 | Hauswand | mhm what is with this scheme? |
| 01:12.54 | straw | Hauswand: you can import that in kcontrol |
| 01:12.55 | Hauswand | the kcsrc works as a color scheme |
| 01:13.15 | Hauswand | yes i done ... but it's not the target i want to reach |
| 01:14.29 | straw | Hauswand: the tar.gz in the Leds-1.0.tar.gz - iceWM-Leds-1.0.tar.gz |
| 01:14.47 | Hauswand | yes what's with this archive? |
| 01:15.14 | straw | Hauswand: extract that to ~/.kde/share/apps/kwin/icewm-themes |
| 01:15.47 | Hauswand | ive done this ... but it doesn't work ... have i to restart kde? |
| 01:15.53 | straw | Hauswand: i was mistaken earlier |
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| 01:16.35 | straw | Hauswand: well, it works here |
| 01:16.43 | Hauswand | theres nothing with icewm in kcontrol |
| 01:17.36 | straw | what version of kde? |
| 01:17.41 | Hauswand | 3.3.2 |
| 01:18.12 | Hauswand | i've tried another scheme http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=28354 ... and again ... nothing with ice wm |
| 01:18.46 | straw | you must be missing a kde package |
| 01:18.55 | Hauswand | that's possible |
| 01:19.07 | Hauswand | i did not install kde completly |
| 01:19.54 | Hauswand | what package i need? |
| 01:20.13 | straw | i have no idea... |
| 01:21.06 | straw | but i'll take a wild guess and ask if kdeaddons is installed |
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| 01:21.46 | Hauswand | i try kdeartwork |
| 01:22.06 | Hauswand | kdeaddons is installed |
| 01:22.53 | Hauswand | do you know what i have to write into the xorg.conf for the vertikal / ? |
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| 01:23.42 | straw | what make/model is the monitor? |
| 01:24.14 | Hauswand | belinea ... but is this important? |
| 01:24.34 | Hauswand | i press "alt gr + <" ... but the sign doesnt come |
| 01:25.01 | thiago | Hauswand: what keyboard layout are you using? |
| 01:25.35 | straw | hm, kwin_icewm_config.so is part of kdeartwork apparently |
| 01:25.42 | Hauswand | yes it works |
| 01:25.51 | Hauswand | straw, with kde artwork ... |
| 01:25.57 | Hauswand | Option "XkbLayout" "de" |
| 01:26.00 | straw | good :) |
| 01:26.01 | Hauswand | Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" |
| 01:26.21 | Hauswand | Option "XkbVariant" "de" <---- |
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| 01:26.25 | Hauswand | thats the varian |
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| 02:04.41 | Mewshi | is there a way to monitor the incoming frequency on the microphone to see if it's a certain frequency |
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| 02:07.29 | thiago | of course |
| 02:07.42 | thiago | write an application that does digital signal processing |
| 02:08.05 | thiago | an FFT with the right number of entries will tell you if a certain frequency was present |
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| 02:13.01 | Mewshi | thanks |
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| 02:13.02 | Mewshi | that doesn't help me at all |
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| 02:13.54 | canllaith | fast furier transform (I can't spell) is the logical way to do it, as thiago said. |
| 02:14.05 | marcusU | Noatun is still really acting weird. |
| 02:14.45 | canllaith | marcusU: noatun is just generally weird =) It's a bit of a funny app, but I do like it. What's it doing to you? |
| 02:15.33 | marcusU | canllaith: When launch Noatun to play a .flac file, Noatun seems to get very upset and confused. |
| 02:15.42 | canllaith | Ah, I don't use flac so I'm no use to you there |
| 02:15.54 | marcusU | It might do it on .ogg, too. Let me try. |
| 02:16.25 | hydrogen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:17.12 | marcusU | My Noatun does not know how to paly .flac, I guess, but for some reason .flac by default is associated with it. So when I double-click on a .flac, Noatun launches and does not do anything useful. Then when I quit Noatun, it begins consuming more and more memory. |
| 02:17.38 | marcusU | I did that one night and when I woke up in the memory, swap size was about 2GB. |
| 02:17.53 | canllaith | yikes |
| 02:18.18 | hydrogen | cool |
| 02:18.27 | hydrogen | use a useful media player |
| 02:18.32 | hydrogen | amaroK/juK |
| 02:18.45 | marcusU | I use Xmms. I do not like those. |
| 02:19.09 | hydrogen | okay then |
| 02:19.18 | hydrogen | modify file associations |
| 02:19.20 | hydrogen | in kcontorl |
| 02:19.44 | marcusU | I know how to do that. I was pointing out that Noatun eats up all available memory in some cases and wondering if anyone else noticed that. |
| 02:20.28 | hydrogen | well, considdering you never asked a question, I was working my way through your statement attempting to answer any problems you may have had... I would have gotten to that soon enough |
| 02:20.29 | hydrogen | anyways |
| 02:20.37 | hydrogen | that error -> bugs.kde.org |
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| 02:26.59 | capiCrimm | how do I lock down the items on the panel? |
| 02:27.05 | codeman | chotchki: get your ass over to #gentoo-installer dude. |
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| 02:29.55 | codeman | chotchki: we miss you |
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| 02:48.25 | ShockValue | anyone know of a par2 util that will integrate into Konq? |
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| 03:12.30 | fandeholly | hi, i use kaffeine on kde 3.4 and i would like to know if it's possible to have multiple kaffeine running at the same time. i can't get it to work |
| 03:12.33 | Oleg_ | hi |
| 03:16.12 | Oleg_ | canllaith: hi |
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| 03:17.46 | canllaith | hi |
| 03:17.57 | Oleg_ | I am smiling |
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| 03:22.03 | Oleg_ | created today a C++ program |
| 03:22.09 | Oleg_ | with the switch statement |
| 03:22.25 | Oleg_ | but didn't get to qt include files yet |
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| 03:23.18 | gravix | is it possible to get KDE to open URLs in an existing browser window? currently, it attempts to spawn another instance of firefox which times out before actually opening... |
| 03:23.40 | Oleg_ | yeah, as I said like two years ago here, I wanna program for kde, and I still wanna do it |
| 03:27.53 | gravix | that was a question for KDE 3.4 under gentoo |
| 03:29.27 | canllaith | gravix: it all has to do with your URL you use to launch it |
| 03:29.39 | canllaith | have a look at firefox-remote, which is an interface to connect to an already running instance |
| 03:29.42 | canllaith | sorry not url, command |
| 03:30.16 | gravix | canllaith: thank you very much, i will get that interface :) |
| 03:30.22 | canllaith | Hrm I don't see it in my firefox |
| 03:30.31 | canllaith | gravix: I used to use mozilla -remote a lot |
| 03:30.34 | canllaith | oh yes, firefox accepts -remote |
| 03:30.50 | canllaith | gravix: http://www.mozilla.org/unix/remote.html |
| 03:30.51 | canllaith | information there |
| 03:30.54 | canllaith | then you could do something like |
| 03:31.04 | canllaith | firefox -remote foo %blah | firefox %blah |
| 03:31.18 | canllaith | so if firefox -remote could not connect to an already existing one, it would run the 'or' firefox |
| 03:31.52 | gravix | that looks like exactly the functionality I wanted... thank you again! |
| 03:32.52 | canllaith | you're welcome. |
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| 03:33.57 | gravix | nifty, it works |
| 03:35.58 | canllaith | :) |
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| 03:37.38 | lrathbon | hey all, does anyone know how to get the K-menu icon to maintain its aspect ratio rather than scaling to square? I want to have a customized icon for the K-menu that is rectangular and not square |
| 03:39.18 | canllaith | Sorry, it can't be done without hacking at the source |
| 03:40.33 | lrathbon | ah, ok |
| 03:40.53 | lrathbon | I wonder if there are any patches floating around |
| 03:41.19 | gravix | I thought there were themes that had the k-menu button in the style of a rectangular windows start button |
| 03:41.48 | gravix | i recall seeing some of those at kde-look.org, but my memory could be flakey |
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| 03:42.04 | lrathbon | gravix, thanks I'll take a look and if I find one, I'll see what they do |
| 03:44.16 | canllaith | Yeah at least one theme had a rectangular button |
| 03:44.44 | lrathbon | yeah there are some 'workarounds' on kde-look |
| 03:44.58 | canllaith | Those do as I mentioned, modify the kicker code. |
| 03:46.44 | gravix | i know no one cares, but i have to say this... KDE rocks! i switched from mac os x |
| 03:47.00 | chavo | We care a lot! |
| 03:47.01 | canllaith | :) Why do we not care?? |
| 03:47.05 | canllaith | We want to hear nice things about KDE |
| 03:47.15 | canllaith | Take the KDE bashing to #gnome though, we don't want it here ;) |
| 03:47.56 | thiago | constructive criticism? yes, we want it. bashing? no, thanks. |
| 03:48.38 | canllaith | Well 'I have a problem help me solve it' doesn't bother me in the slightest. |
| 03:48.59 | canllaith | 'KDE IS TOTALLY GAY AND SUCKS LOL KTHX!!!!11111' can go to #gentoo, I'm sure they'll be used to that sort of thing in there |
| 03:49.20 | gravix | meh, bashing something that people develop for free in their spare time is rather silly, imho |
| 03:49.35 | thiago | gravix: yet there are those who do it |
| 03:50.52 | gravix | thiago: i haven't been here long, but i believe ya :/ |
| 03:51.10 | gravix | i, for one, think KDE is a hell of an accomplishment. it ain't perfect, but it's damn good! |
| 03:51.43 | canllaith | Looking around comparing it with windows, OSX and gnome I believe KDE has always been quite good and has in 3.4 and 3.5 become exceptional. |
| 03:52.36 | gravix | true that. the more features i learn to use, the more I love it |
| 03:54.36 | canllaith | although I love my mac. |
| 03:54.43 | canllaith | He's the cutest little computer ever |
| 03:54.50 | gravix | mini? hehehehe |
| 03:54.54 | canllaith | heh no, even cuter@ |
| 03:55.04 | canllaith | http://canllaith.org/foo/fotos/cuteness.jpg |
| 03:55.10 | canllaith | tweedledee and tweedledum |
| 03:55.30 | gravix | ahhhh! old style iMacs! |
| 03:55.30 | canllaith | The green one on the left has a whopping 640ish MB memory and runs tiger pretty well. |
| 03:55.37 | canllaith | Aint they prettiful? ;) |
| 03:55.57 | canllaith | He's my mac :D my b/f is a complete mac fanatic and got me the green one. |
| 03:56.24 | canllaith | He's gonna be a wireless mac soon when the adaptor for the airport card arrives. |
| 03:56.46 | gravix | we had a 400mhz DV for the longest time... it was a great little computer |
| 03:56.53 | canllaith | Mine is a 450 DV |
| 03:57.05 | canllaith | I love the sound cards. I have it plugged into a reasonable 2.1 speaker set |
| 03:57.24 | canllaith | it blares out music without the slightest noise from the sound socket - unfortunately, not many x86 boxes manage that it seems |
| 03:57.53 | gravix | the MDD G4 tower i just got rid of also had that problem |
| 03:58.23 | canllaith | That little iMac is an absolute champion, actually. I do a lot of photoshopping on it |
| 03:58.34 | canllaith | With reasonably large images |
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| 03:59.18 | gravix | photoshop for os x is a great product... very responsive even on the older machines |
| 03:59.53 | canllaith | easily throws around 5334x1660 tif files |
| 04:00.00 | canllaith | oh heh this was photoshop 5.5 running under classic |
| 04:00.22 | canllaith | photoshop has had for a long time a really excellent internal memory management, paging tiles in and out of memory from it's scratch volume |
| 04:00.35 | canllaith | Letting you throw around huge files on not much memory at all |
| 04:02.08 | gravix | gosh, i haven't used it on classic for at least 5 years. wasn't 6 the last version before it became osX only? |
| 04:03.21 | canllaith | not sure |
| 04:03.32 | canllaith | that green guy was my first mac, and I've only had him a few months |
| 04:03.39 | gravix | indeed, and memory access under classic mac os was extremely speedy, if not necessarily robust |
| 04:04.06 | canllaith | Well, I had one mac before that. I had a mac classic, but that's when they were new |
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| 04:05.39 | apprentice | how do i know what version of kde im using |
| 04:06.38 | canllaith | apprentice: a few ways :) |
| 04:06.46 | canllaith | you can type kde-config --version from a console |
| 04:06.55 | canllaith | Or you can select Help -> About KDE from any KDE application |
| 04:07.00 | apprentice | ill go with console |
| 04:07.14 | apprentice | what does level b mean |
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| 04:08.50 | canllaith | possibly beta |
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| 04:13.27 | Alakazam | hi |
| 04:13.41 | Alakazam | how do i make the selections in my kicker smaller as to not take up multiple rows |
| 04:13.41 | apprentice | hello |
| 04:13.45 | Alakazam | hah! |
| 04:14.51 | Alakazam | hnmm |
| 04:14.51 | apprentice | i cant help sorry. i use kde but i dont know mucha bout it |
| 04:14.54 | Alakazam | yeah |
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| 04:14.59 | Alakazam | you know what im talking about though right? |
| 04:14.59 | tq | nas |
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| 04:15.03 | tq | somebody speak spanisk? |
| 04:15.13 | Alakazam | very little tq |
| 04:15.14 | Alakazam | im sorry |
| 04:15.24 | apprentice | i do |
| 04:15.33 | apprentice | como te ayudo hermano |
| 04:15.43 | tq | apprentice, gracias |
| 04:16.04 | apprentice | que necesitas |
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| 04:16.15 | tq | mira, actualize mi kde (o eso quise hacer) la cuestion que luego de mucho actualizar volvi a tener el midmo kde pero me borro todas las opciones del menu K |
| 04:16.28 | tq | osea, como puedo regenerar todoas las opciones que tenia en mi menu K |
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| 04:17.11 | apprentice | reinstall todo |
| 04:17.42 | apprentice | perdon reinstala |
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| 04:17.52 | tq | como apprentice ? |
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| 04:18.11 | tq | eso quise hacr pero luego de una actualizacion muy grande (con apt-get ) me borro el menu? |
| 04:18.24 | apprentice | usa apt-remove kde |
| 04:18.31 | tq | mmmm? |
| 04:18.32 | tq | o |
| 04:18.33 | tq | ok |
| 04:18.47 | tq | dejame verlo porque me parece medio complicado para mi |
| 04:20.08 | tq | apprentice, no vas a creer lo que voy a decirte |
| 04:20.11 | tq | pero se ha arreglado |
| 04:20.20 | tq | probado otra cosa hice un apt-get install kopete |
| 04:20.23 | tq | y se arreglo!"!!! |
| 04:20.32 | tq | ya me muestra el menu, y mi kde se ha actualizado |
| 04:20.40 | tq | lo malo es que no se porque? |
| 04:20.41 | apprentice | me algero |
| 04:20.42 | tq | :( |
| 04:20.53 | tq | decime, alguna vez te ha pasado algo raro como esto? |
| 04:21.15 | apprentice | no. recien estoy usando kde antes usaba gnome. eres che? |
| 04:21.16 | mmodem_ | this is an english channel |
| 04:21.24 | Alakazam | mmodem_ |
| 04:21.27 | Alakazam | how do i make the selections in my kicker smaller as to not take up multiple rows |
| 04:21.43 | tq | como apprentice ? |
| 04:21.49 | mmodem_ | i dont get what u want |
| 04:22.00 | mmodem_ | tq if continue ull be out |
| 04:22.19 | gravix | what do you mean by "selections"? |
| 04:22.20 | tq | ok mmodem_ |
| 04:22.28 | tq | i don't see the question |
| 04:22.41 | tq | i only try to fix my problem |
| 04:22.45 | tq | sorry |
| 04:23.11 | tq | apprentice, thanks |
| 04:23.14 | tq | good night |
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| 04:28.39 | chotchki | hey guys on the new korganizer's blogging feature.... does anyone know of a blog that supports it? |
| 04:30.35 | apprentice | blog? |
| 04:31.01 | chotchki | korganizer can publish its journals to a blog automatically now |
| 04:31.24 | apprentice | cool. how u use that |
| 04:31.40 | canllaith | mmodem_: You're not an op. Please don't threaten other chatters. |
| 04:31.57 | mmodem_ | canllaith: of course im not, neither i said i would ban anyone |
| 04:31.57 | gravix | i was wondering about that... |
| 04:32.03 | mmodem_ | can did u see that? |
| 04:32.09 | chotchki | you just add it as another journal reasource, however i am not sure what blogs support it |
| 04:32.35 | mmodem_ | canllaith: sincerilly, dont u have nothing better to do that imply with me? |
| 04:32.50 | apprentice | myspace? |
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| 04:33.02 | *** mode/#kde [+b %mmodem_!*@*] by canllaith |
| 04:33.13 | canllaith | I've only ever seen you be rude, and it's a bit tiresome. |
| 04:33.13 | chotchki | canllaith: lol |
| 04:33.16 | smithjd | myspace would be nice |
| 04:33.21 | *** mode/#kde [-o canllaith] by canllaith |
| 04:33.25 | smithjd | poetic justice =) |
| 04:33.45 | apprentice | 2 macflyies with the same gun |
| 04:33.47 | illogic-al | seekHim: hey. |
| 04:33.53 | gravix | korganizer is neat, i didn't even know about it |
| 04:33.55 | smithjd | I can't get at myspace at all on Linux and I'd love to be able to. Unfortunately it's an MSN property, so, when pigs fly. ;) |
| 04:34.03 | illogic-al | seekHim: what was that IRC network you told me about again? |
| 04:34.12 | apprentice | well. i can get on myspace |
| 04:34.14 | apprentice | i use it all the time |
| 04:34.18 | apprentice | im addicted to it |
| 04:34.20 | gravix | myspace works fine in firefox |
| 04:34.23 | apprentice | and in opera |
| 04:34.27 | apprentice | and konqueror |
| 04:34.28 | smithjd | I get login errors |
| 04:34.31 | chotchki | myspace should work fine |
| 04:34.32 | apprentice | weird |
| 04:34.34 | apprentice | use opera |
| 04:34.37 | smithjd | says I'm not able to log in |
| 04:34.42 | gravix | make sure cookies are enabled smithjd |
| 04:34.49 | apprentice | we all know. cuase we all live off myspace |
| 04:34.56 | chotchki | heck konq should have less problems with it now (konq passes the acid2 test now) |
| 04:35.13 | apprentice | r high on acid? |
| 04:35.31 | gravix | hah i wish :P |
| 04:35.45 | Oleg_ | canllaith: please don't ban me or take my voice here, but what if you made him depressed by taking away his voice? |
| 04:35.50 | chotchki | apprentice: http://www.webstandards.org/act/acid2/ firefox still doesnt pass it |
| 04:35.53 | smithjd | gravix: Cookies are enabled, it says I must be logged in to do that when I try to log in |
| 04:36.04 | Oleg_ | I mean it's a little harsh |
| 04:36.10 | gravix | smithjd which browser are you using |
| 04:36.18 | apprentice | interesting. so who knows how to use korganizer |
| 04:36.23 | Oleg_ | it hurts |
| 04:36.23 | gravix | Oleg_: i think he deserved it, he basically told that guy to leave |
| 04:36.30 | smithjd | gravix: Firefox and Kong both do the same thing. |
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| 04:36.41 | chotchki | apprentice: i do, what do you need to know? |
| 04:36.41 | smithjd | gravix: *Konq |
| 04:36.48 | canllaith | Oleg_: This is nothing to do with you. |
| 04:36.49 | apprentice | im curious how do u make it do blogs |
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| 04:37.25 | gravix | smithjd: I was going to say konq also allows cookies to be disabled on a per-site basis, which is the last thing i can think why it might not be working |
| 04:37.34 | gravix | or if javascript is disabled |
| 04:37.47 | gravix | in the browser's default configuration, myspace should work just fine. |
| 04:38.00 | Oleg_ | canllaith: yeah, it's not my business, but I've been in such situations, so what if that guy is suffering now? |
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| 04:38.02 | chotchki | apprentice: lol the only thing i dont know how to do ;) |
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| 04:38.14 | Oleg_ | oh my God,I am getting annoying again |
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| 04:38.19 | apprentice | oh speaking of which can someone help me with flash and java on the browerse |
| 04:38.27 | Oleg_ | but it just hurts |
| 04:38.48 | gravix | java will work fine if you install blackdown's JRE |
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| 04:39.06 | mmodem- | Oleg_: simply ignore canllaith |
| 04:39.59 | apprentice | blackdown?? |
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| 04:40.19 | gravix | google it, or use your distribution's package install system |
| 04:40.37 | apprentice | ok. im susey |
| 04:40.58 | smithjd | gravix: I wonder if it has something to do with running 64bit mode, that's the only thing I can think that would be different. It's weird to see the same behavior across both browsers. JS and Java are enabled on both, and I've tried with different identifications with no luck. |
| 04:41.12 | smithjd | gravix: oh well. I'll sleep on it. Thanks for the suggestions. |
| 04:41.25 | gravix | smithjd: it's possible, although I'm running an amd-64 dist with no problems on myspace |
| 04:41.43 | apprentice | do ya'll have a myspacE? |
| 04:41.44 | smithjd | gravix: The plot thickens... :/ |
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| 04:43.48 | gravix | i've been having some problems with kompmgr lately... occasionally dragging/resizing windows will get reaaaally slow, which is fixed by a sudo killall kompmgr |
| 04:43.58 | gravix | i'm not sure what the cause is, though. |
| 04:44.18 | canllaith | gravix: unfortunately all those pretty effects are just not stable code yet. |
| 04:44.21 | chotchki | gravix: thats the transparency stuff right? |
| 04:44.31 | canllaith | So probably there isn't much that can be done right now, until the implementation sucks a bit less |
| 04:44.52 | gravix | alas. it's so wonderfully beautiful :) |
| 04:45.10 | apprentice | who speaks latin |
| 04:45.25 | gravix | chotchki, yes. it is prettyful beyond compare |
| 04:46.07 | canllaith | but alas, too unstable! |
| 04:46.09 | bssteph | indeed, especially kde's manager (compared to xcompmgr or whatever the generic one is) |
| 04:46.10 | chotchki | gravix: but so useless for getting stuff done....but then again im bitter over my crappy ati drivers |
| 04:46.18 | bssteph | and it's popular |
| 04:46.31 | bssteph | my site still gets hits on the avi file that was posted on the dot months upon months ago |
| 04:46.36 | gravix | i seem to get better speed in general from kompmgr |
| 04:46.44 | gravix | it works well with my nvidia card |
| 04:46.49 | apprentice | i wanna see pretty effects |
| 04:46.56 | bssteph | yeah, it's nice on nvidia, sucktastic on ati |
| 04:47.02 | bssteph | i had a radeon 9200 and it was dog slow |
| 04:47.09 | gravix | 1600x1200 windows fade in and out no problem :D |
| 04:47.13 | gravix | i love it |
| 04:47.25 | canllaith | http://www.canllaith.org/foo/socool.jpg |
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| 04:47.54 | bssteph | ... and kompmgr works fine |
| 04:48.02 | gravix | one day i shall have an LCD... one day... |
| 04:48.04 | bssteph | eventually something will bring down X, but that's X's problem |
| 04:48.10 | bssteph | not kompmgr's |
| 04:48.16 | apprentice | so when will we have pretty effects |
| 04:48.28 | gravix | you can use it now, if your hardware is fast enough |
| 04:48.35 | apprentice | how can i do it |
| 04:48.52 | canllaith | was taken when xorg with transparency was unreleased |
| 04:49.04 | canllaith | and in it, oleg is bleating about how he got banned for saying something innappropriate in the IRC client |
| 04:49.11 | canllaith | how long ago was that?? :P |
| 04:49.21 | bssteph | lol |
| 04:49.34 | apprentice | so how can i do that effects thing plz |
| 04:49.36 | canllaith | and still it's the same old same old. *sigh* |
| 04:49.48 | gravix | transparent terms are the best |
| 04:50.00 | canllaith | aha, I'm working on the dylan rpm |
| 04:50.01 | bssteph | http://bssteph.irtonline.org/uploads/kompmgr-and-kde-window-eyecandy if anyone is interested in a video of it in full effect |
| 04:50.19 | canllaith | That dates it at november LAST YEAR. |
| 04:50.22 | bssteph | only the window with focus is opaque, the others go to 10% opaque |
| 04:50.24 | gravix | i like to set all background windows to fade to 95% transparency with drop shadows on... so you get a subtle darkening effect of background windows... it's SUPER cool. |
| 04:50.32 | bssteph | yeah, it's really stagnated lately :( |
| 04:50.47 | apprentice | is ther some tutorial |
| 04:50.57 | gravix | there's one for Gentoo, i dunno about SuSE |
| 04:50.59 | bssteph | apprentice: you need a recent x.org, >kde 3.4, and preferrably a nvidia card |
| 04:51.11 | bssteph | and you have to like crashes because it's not stable yet and it -will- crash X |
| 04:51.14 | bssteph | it's just a matter of when |
| 04:51.15 | apprentice | ok. got a 3.4 kde |
| 04:51.25 | apprentice | and i will risk the crash |
| 04:51.26 | gravix | yes, my X crashes once a day or so. :( |
| 04:51.46 | gravix | it's so worth it |
| 04:51.51 | apprentice | ok. how do i do it |
| 04:52.11 | bssteph | the gentoo tutorial is probably generic enough, all you have to do is use a recent x.org and enable the composite stuff |
| 04:52.21 | canllaith | There is mention in the KDE official FAQ about it |
| 04:52.29 | bssteph | well there you have it :) use that |
| 04:52.32 | apprentice | is it just the transparency thing? |
| 04:52.43 | bssteph | transparency and drop shadows |
| 04:52.51 | apprentice | oh. i had that working once |
| 04:52.55 | apprentice | it was no big deal |
| 04:53.02 | bssteph | and double buffering which is nice by itself |
| 04:53.07 | apprentice | and i have a intel card |
| 04:53.10 | apprentice | integrated |
| 04:53.13 | apprentice | and x never crashed |
| 04:53.34 | canllaith | http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/misc.html#id2577865 |
| 04:53.52 | gravix | yeah, that's the one. |
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| 04:54.47 | chotchki | apprentice: awww crap i just tried out the blogging resource and it seems that auto publishing is still disabled |
| 04:55.01 | apprentice | cant u hack it |
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| 04:57.45 | chotchki | apprentice: it seems that their are some scripts to work around the restriction, but im not sure whether its worth the hassle |
| 04:58.38 | apprentice | awww. but where could it publish to? |
| 04:59.10 | chotchki | right now a kde dev has a sample script to publish to the main kde blog |
| 04:59.37 | chotchki | though a point was made concerning the conflicting apis offered by different blogging sites |
| 04:59.40 | apprentice | can u try it out |
| 05:01.06 | chotchki | he didnt post them.... it seems to be a cvs commit and I'm not sure how to trace what actually happened |
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| 05:01.19 | chotchki | im just going to search a little more on |
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| 05:01.50 | apprentice | when will 3.5 be out |
| 05:02.01 | chotchki | when its done |
| 05:02.06 | chotchki | of course ;) |
| 05:02.07 | apprentice | any idea when |
| 05:02.15 | canllaith | Pretty soon, I've heard some people say within a month |
| 05:02.17 | rituko_a | guys... someone use gentoo? i want to know, "kde-base/kde-i18n" is internationalized kde (big size) or internationalization package for already installed kde? =| |
| 05:02.30 | canllaith | only gentoo can really tell you |
| 05:02.37 | canllaith | but I'm assuming it's internationalisation for already installed KDE |
| 05:02.39 | rituko_a | they quiet about it =| |
| 05:02.42 | canllaith | as that's how our i18n packages work |
| 05:02.44 | chotchki | rituko_a: that the kde i18n for kde |
| 05:03.00 | chotchki | the gentoo packages follow the kde ones very closely |
| 05:03.13 | canllaith | Um not really. |
| 05:03.15 | rituko_a | but >200mb is not big for only internationalization package? |
| 05:03.18 | canllaith | Not since the split-ebuilds I'm afraid. |
| 05:03.23 | canllaith | rituko_a: if that's for every single language... |
| 05:03.38 | canllaith | rituko_a: do they have a package that is perhaps just kde-i18n-yourlanguage ? |
| 05:03.54 | chotchki | canllaith: i thought the splits just made the installation a little more fine grained and didn't break everything? |
| 05:04.08 | rituko_a | no, but kde-i18n sensetive to LINGUAS var so you can build it only for your languages... |
| 05:04.47 | canllaith | chotchki: It's impossible for us to have any clue about over .. what is it, 400 packages? So we don't know if something that depends on something..... is there, or not, or whatever |
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| 05:05.01 | tq | apprentice!!!! |
| 05:05.04 | tq | todo listo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:05.05 | rituko_a | and... final question... if i want to see UI in other language (not english), kde-i18n is all what i need, yes? |
| 05:05.12 | tq | sorry for spanish!!! |
| 05:05.15 | tq | i'm happy |
| 05:05.19 | chotchki | canllaith: lol true.... |
| 05:05.58 | chotchki | canllaith: it was supposed to make kde upgrades easier, but it really didnt seem to work out the way it was supposed to ;) |
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| 05:07.51 | canllaith | chotchki: hehehe the thing that amuses me is that apparently 400 packages are 'easier to maintain' than just a few (seirously, that was one of the excuses for split ebuilds) |
| 05:08.25 | aseigo | nicer for users perhaps, but not easier to maintain |
| 05:08.51 | marcusU | Maybe it would be nice to have some kind of subpackage container? |
| 05:08.55 | chotchki | canllaith: well it would make sense if each program changed individually, but since kde only does it in chunks... the kde herd has a ton of work to do all the time now |
| 05:09.24 | canllaith | There is, -meta apparently |
| 05:09.45 | canllaith | although not many utilise it, don't install everything required for eg, kio to work properly and then demand help in here to fix their broken installation |
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| 05:10.08 | chotchki | lol true, i still use the -meta package myself |
| 05:10.58 | marcusU | Are you talking about a specific distro/packaging scheme now, or just packaging in general? |
| 05:11.02 | chotchki | though if i could just drop 1 package from the whole install *achoo* noatun *achoo* i would be much happier |
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| 05:11.27 | marcusU | Don't pick on Noatun. |
| 05:11.27 | rituko_a | hmhm you was right... LINGUAS="ja jp en ru" and "emerge kde-i18n" = kde-i18n-ru and kde-i18n-ja... sorry for my bad sentences, english is not my native language... |
| 05:11.43 | apprentice | what is ur language |
| 05:12.10 | chotchki | marcusU: noatun + amd64 + any video file = instant arts crash |
| 05:12.49 | marcusU | chotchki: I never try to play video on noatun. However, I did grumble about noatun's getting confused and consuming all available memory when it gets a file it can't play. |
| 05:14.13 | chotchki | marcusU: well i mostly dont have any free memory (using ~500MB swap right now) so i dont notice that portion |
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| 05:14.34 | marcusU | chotchki: You would notice if Noatun consumed 2GB of swap space! |
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| 05:15.11 | tw1st | i got an error compiling cyrus ;-\ |
| 05:15.14 | marcusU | I quit Noatun, but it didn't really quit. Then I went to bed and woke up with 2GB of swap. |
| 05:16.03 | tw1st | configure: exit 1 |
| 05:16.11 | chotchki | marcusU: O.O wow thats worse than a misbehaving version of azeurus i had.... i used to get out of memory errors and the kernel would start killing random processes |
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| 05:25.02 | marcusU | Okay. If I start noatun with any file that it does not recognize, it just keeps growing larger and larger. |
| 05:26.00 | welson | i'm trying out mouse gesture hotkeys-- apparently it looks cool, but is there a way to have Keyboard Input "alt,ctrl",etc ? (I mean is there a tricky input escape string Esc[[ that I should use?) |
| 05:26.34 | welson | (KHotkeys from the control panel-- if I sound so animous ;/) |
| 05:26.37 | marcusU | You mean gestures accompanied by modifier keys? |
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| 05:29.31 | welson | apparently there is no documentation on this yet, so far the other basic khotkeys i've implemented are working perfectly.. |
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| 05:30.09 | welson | so far so good, this is really cool guys.. keep up the good work -- gotta go now.. |
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| 05:34.44 | _root | lalala |
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| 05:44.05 | marcusU | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113340 |
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| 05:47.55 | marcusU | Hmmm. ./configure does not seem to find libacl.la in /lib but instead uses its symlink in /usr/lib64 |
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| 06:06.20 | Jedrick | whats the difference between KDE and GNOME |
| 06:06.56 | marcusU | Lots of differences... Both technical and philosophical. Do you have a more specific question? |
| 06:07.35 | Jedrick | ammm, nope |
| 06:07.40 | Jedrick | havent use them yet |
| 06:08.02 | Jedrick | for you what do you prefer to use |
| 06:08.05 | marcusU | They are not mutually exclusive. You can use apps based on both at the same time. |
| 06:09.04 | marcusU | There are even some themes/styles that are similar for KDE and GNOME, so that the apps looks similar. Probably more similar than two Windows apps look. |
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| 06:23.00 | Jedrick | ey man i juz finish downloaded an iso, how to check if theres no corrupt on it |
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| 06:24.36 | marcusU | If you have an md5 file, you can check that. It's not 100%, though. |
| 06:25.05 | Jedrick | where can i get the md5 file? |
| 06:25.11 | Jedrick | im just using windows |
| 06:25.26 | marcusU | Frequently, the same directory that has .iso files has .md5 files. |
| 06:25.39 | Jedrick | oh ok |
| 06:25.41 | Jedrick | wait i go check |
| 06:26.55 | Jedrick | amm havent seen md5 files there |
| 06:26.57 | Jedrick | only the iso |
| 06:27.45 | marcusU | Oh, okay. I really don' know. |
| 06:28.01 | Jedrick | k |
| 06:29.15 | marcusU | I always end up getting distros and stuff by mail-order. It's just not practical for me to download them. |
| 06:30.49 | Jedrick | what distro are u using? |
| 06:30.52 | marcusU | Suse |
| 06:31.08 | Jedrick | is it good? |
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| 06:31.23 | marcusU | I like it. |
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| 06:34.42 | Jedrick | what version u have? |
| 06:34.49 | marcusU | 9.3 |
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| 06:35.38 | Jedrick | i think that version cant be downloaded |
| 06:35.41 | Jedrick | only the 9.1 |
| 06:36.35 | marcusU | Yeah, it can. |
| 06:37.05 | marcusU | But I just paid $15 or $20 for 2 DVDs of it. |
| 06:40.24 | marcusU | http://www.pctech101.com/ |
| 06:41.42 | Jedrick | ye but you have to pay |
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| 06:41.43 | Jedrick | :( |
| 06:41.49 | Jedrick | i cant afford |
| 06:42.26 | marcusU | Jedrick: I can't afford a fast internet connection, so I have to pay for the DVDs. |
| 06:43.19 | Jedrick | whats ur connection? |
| 06:43.36 | marcusU | ISDN 2B+D |
| 06:43.56 | marcusU | DSL is not available here. Nor is cable. |
| 06:44.03 | Jedrick | how much is the speed of that |
| 06:44.06 | Jedrick | im not familiar |
| 06:44.09 | Jedrick | im from asia |
| 06:44.29 | marcusU | Maximum is about 128,000 bits/s. |
| 06:44.41 | marcusU | It's 2 channels of 64,000 (not 64K) bits/s. |
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| 06:56.11 | gravix | might be cheaper to go to an internet cafe to d/l them |
| 06:56.19 | gravix | usually you can find high speed access for free if you look hard enough |
| 06:56.36 | marcusU | gravix: I've never seen one of those. And definitely not with a DVD+R |
| 06:56.53 | gravix | you bring your own computer |
| 06:57.05 | marcusU | I've never seen that. |
| 06:57.19 | marcusU | But my computer weighs 50 pounds, and my monitor is another 50. |
| 06:57.26 | gravix | you haven't looked hard enough... there tens of thousands of open networks across the country |
| 06:57.35 | gravix | usually one would use a laptop |
| 06:57.40 | marcusU | I do not have a laptop. |
| 06:57.49 | gravix | that would make it difficult |
| 06:58.01 | marcusU | It's cheaper to spend $20 on the DVD than $1500 on a laptop. |
| 06:58.09 | gravix | indeed |
| 06:58.24 | marcusU | The US is so backward. |
| 06:58.36 | gravix | well, we don't use the metric system |
| 06:58.41 | gravix | otherwise we're not backward |
| 06:58.53 | marcusU | Lots of people in the US can't get a fast internet connection at any price. |
| 06:59.14 | gravix | mostly that's a legislation problem |
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| 06:59.23 | gravix | corporations have too much power here |
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| 06:59.44 | marcusU | SBC just refuses to make DSL avaiable here. My CO does not have the capability of offering DSL. |
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| 07:00.18 | gravix | precisely. and no one is allowed to compete SBC to provide it, probably |
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| 07:00.43 | crguerra | guao |
| 07:00.48 | gravix | so SBC can take their sweet time and they don't have to worry about anyone else proviting broadband to everyone |
| 07:00.49 | marcusU | Actually, companies were allowed to do that, but they all went out of business. |
| 07:01.07 | crguerra | estoy em un chat con linux |
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| 07:01.18 | marcusU | gravix: In most areas, you can get cable or DSL. I just don't see why anyone would get DSL when they can get cable. |
| 07:01.20 | crguerra | hi gravix |
| 07:01.22 | gravix | well, it wasn't economically worthwhile to provide you with the service, then. |
| 07:01.26 | marcusU | gravix: Right. |
| 07:01.31 | gravix | crguerra, hellow. i do not speak spanish. |
| 07:01.50 | crguerra | i speak english so so |
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| 07:01.59 | gravix | marcusU: I don't know either. we dumped DSL for cable and it is orders of magnitude better. |
| 07:02.02 | marcusU | gravix: But that's the same situation as basic telephone service was. |
| 07:02.04 | crguerra | hi marcus |
| 07:02.43 | marcusU | gravix: Yeah, I know. Although cable internet was very unreliable when I lived in an area that it was avaialble. It was down about 5 days a month on average. |
| 07:03.40 | gravix | trying to get DSL from anyone but verizon here is a joke, also... they own all the lines and will mess up your order if you try to go with someone else for your internet service |
| 07:04.11 | gravix | yeah, i suppose it really just depends on the area and the companies you deal with. |
| 07:04.27 | gravix | cable is 100% reliable here for the 2 months we've had it. |
| 07:04.45 | marcusU | gravix: Yeah. I was upset with Time-Warner's cable being unreliable, so I tried DSL with another ISP, but SBC kept sabotaging the order. |
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| 07:06.50 | gravix | damn sabotaging ISPs. nothing to be done about it, i suppose |
| 07:06.59 | marcusU | First they got my ISP correct but set it up with PPPoe instead of DHCP. (My ISP wanted DHCP.) Then when SBC was supposed to fix it, they switched themselves to be the ISP. Then I gave up. |
| 07:07.18 | marcusU | So now I don't have anything available except ISDN. |
| 07:09.56 | [_]illogic-al | dual monitors rock |
| 07:10.04 | [_]illogic-al | a lot |
| 07:10.10 | gravix | we had similar problems... earthlink sent us the "congratulations, you're online!" mail and started billing us but verizon hadn't hooked the line up and wouldn't respond to phone calls |
| 07:10.13 | marcusU | My one monitor makes too much heat. |
| 07:10.21 | Tm_T | illogic-al: :/ |
| 07:10.28 | marcusU | Ditto with SBC. |
| 07:10.32 | illogic-al | I don't have a CRT so that's not a prob. |
| 07:10.43 | gravix | but without a CRT how do you get a tan? |
| 07:10.44 | illogic-al | Tm_T: yo |
| 07:11.00 | marcusU | I like my CRT. |
| 07:11.26 | marcusU | LCD is too expensive for less quality. |
| 07:11.37 | gravix | i had to rip mine open and solder a resistor in when the brightness went all to hell... *shakes fist at SONY* |
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| 07:11.48 | marcusU | I have bad luck with Sony. |
| 07:11.57 | gravix | me too. no more sony products for me. |
| 07:12.01 | marcusU | My Sony monitor was always too dim. |
| 07:12.09 | illogic-al | Sony's products are on a Timed Deatrh schedule |
| 07:12.22 | marcusU | My Mitsubishi monitor was good until it died. |
| 07:12.23 | illogic-al | after a short amount of time, they die |
| 07:12.26 | gravix | i swear to god, this monitor was designed to self-destruct |
| 07:12.34 | gravix | everyone has the same problems with it after 3 years |
| 07:12.44 | Tm_T | err, why you swear... |
| 07:12.50 | illogic-al | but I love my LCDs |
| 07:13.01 | gravix | i'll buy one in a few years |
| 07:13.04 | Tm_T | :/ |
| 07:13.07 | marcusU | LCDs are too expensive. |
| 07:13.12 | marcusU | How much for a 19" LCD? |
| 07:13.23 | illogic-al | The LG one has a always on "dead" pixel on it but it's so sexy |
| 07:13.23 | gravix | not much. maybe $299 |
| 07:13.47 | marcusU | That's 50% more than my current monitor cost. |
| 07:13.52 | illogic-al | And the Hyundai one is nice, just got a new one after I returned the first, whichj was DOA |
| 07:13.53 | Tm_T | give me 1600x1200 LCD and I love you |
| 07:14.03 | gravix | i would want one of the huuuuge LCDs though. 24" or more |
| 07:14.11 | illogic-al | gravix: I bought both my LCDs for more than that |
| 07:14.20 | illogic-al | but they are rather top of the line-ish |
| 07:14.23 | marcusU | illogic-al: Returned the first? That does not inspire confidence. |
| 07:14.38 | illogic-al | marcusU: I would not recommend them to anyone |
| 07:14.50 | illogic-al | the monitor itself is good |
| 07:14.55 | gravix | marcusU, sometimes they won't accept returns if there are a few dead pixels... buyer beware with LCDs |
| 07:14.57 | marcusU | illogic-al: they could make 10000 good monitors and 1 bad one, and you know I would get the bad one. |
| 07:14.59 | illogic-al | but hyundai's customer service SUCKS |
| 07:15.34 | marcusU | gravix: Yes, but that's why I would charge it on Optima. They will cover the product even if the merchant won't accept the return. |
| 07:15.44 | illogic-al | Tm_T: I was gonna buy one if this hyundai monitor didn't work out. |
| 07:15.47 | illogic-al | no need now :-) |
| 07:16.15 | gravix | marcusU: that would be neat. an LCD is really less useful if it's got a stuck pixel. |
| 07:16.28 | gravix | my eye would always be drawn to the damn thing |
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| 07:16.58 | habinabi | hi |
| 07:17.25 | habinabi | hi |
| 07:17.25 | illogic-al | monitor still looks good. |
| 07:17.29 | illogic-al | hi habinabi |
| 07:17.50 | habinabi | hi |
| 07:18.00 | illogic-al | hi habinabi |
| 07:18.04 | gravix | i would cry illogic-al |
| 07:18.04 | habinabi | hi |
| 07:18.06 | gravix | for that much money |
| 07:18.12 | illogic-al | hi habinabi |
| 07:18.15 | marcusU | gravix: Once I know that a defect in anything exists, I can't help but look at it. |
| 07:18.24 | gravix | exactly. |
| 07:18.28 | habinabi | bith |
| 07:18.42 | illogic-al | marcusU: with the stuck piels it disapears on light colors |
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| 07:18.53 | illogic-al | so you'd rarely notice |
| 07:19.04 | illogic-al | 'cept when gaiming or watching videos |
| 07:19.10 | illogic-al | gaming even |
| 07:19.13 | marcusU | Well, I would return it. I want my videos to look perfect. |
| 07:19.13 | gravix | total bummer. |
| 07:19.30 | illogic-al | marcusU: you can't return a monitor with only one dead pixel |
| 07:19.36 | gravix | usually they have policies saying less than x stuck pixels around the sides, they don't accept returns |
| 07:19.38 | marcusU | Yes, Ican. |
| 07:19.43 | illogic-al | i know no manufacturers that take those back. |
| 07:19.50 | illogic-al | have to have 8 or more |
| 07:19.55 | gravix | yep. |
| 07:20.02 | marcusU | gravix: I call Amex and tell them that the product is defective, and I refuse to pay for it. |
| 07:20.04 | marcusU | Easy. |
| 07:20.34 | gravix | hopefully amex would side with you on that... |
| 07:21.06 | marcusU | gravix: One of Optima's cardholder benefits is that they will allow you to return an item even if the merchant refuses. |
| 07:21.08 | gravix | i know i'd be a lot more tempted to buy one if i knew i could get a perfect screen |
| 07:21.29 | marcusU | gravix: When you refuse to pay for a charge, the merchant gets real cooperative real fast with Amex at least. |
| 07:21.33 | gravix | that's neat. they ought to be able to pull some strings with their big company clout. |
| 07:21.41 | gravix | amen. |
| 07:22.12 | gravix | in theory you can do that with any card, although i'm sure some banks are better than others |
| 07:22.22 | marcusU | Yeah, I know. |
| 07:22.23 | gravix | is there an annual fee for that card? |
| 07:22.46 | marcusU | I don't know if I pay a fee for the Optima or not. I pay $75 a year for my basic Green Amex. |
| 07:22.59 | marcusU | I use my Amex basically as a cushion between paychecks |
| 07:23.27 | marcusU | A regular credit card would charge me at least $75 a year in interest, so it seems reasonable. |
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| 07:23.48 | gravix | i never run a month-to-month balance on cards, so i try to stay away from the ones with annual fees |
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| 07:25.27 | marcusU | I don't have a choice. I owe $27000 on student loans and $15000 on credit cards. |
| 07:27.33 | gravix | aye yai yai. sounds like that's going to take a while to pay off |
| 07:27.52 | gravix | the college is invariably worth it though |
| 07:28.01 | marcusU | I'm never going to pay it off. I don't make enough money. I really should have done bankruptcy long ago. |
| 07:28.09 | marcusU | No, college was not worth it. |
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| 07:30.05 | gravix | it wasn't? what was your major? |
| 07:30.10 | marcusU | Math |
| 07:30.46 | gravix | ahh... not really sure what to do with a math degree |
| 07:31.21 | marcusU | gravix: The advisors at school tell me that I was supposed to be able to do "anything", like computers or whatever, but I couldn't even get an interview. |
| 07:31.45 | marcusU | I applied for lots of jobs and never got an interview. I went into education and taught high school for 6 years before my nervous breakdown. |
| 07:31.54 | marcusU | Now I live with my parents while I wait to die. |
| 07:32.37 | gravix | wow. so you've given up on the whole life thing? |
| 07:33.11 | marcusU | yes. |
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| 07:33.18 | marcusU | I just want to make other people miserable. |
| 07:33.56 | gravix | plenty of misery to go around, methinks |
| 07:34.32 | marcusU | Well, Life has nothing to offer me. |
| 07:34.59 | gravix | i use drugs when i feel that way... though they too, are a dead end |
| 07:35.31 | marcusU | I've never done drugs. |
| 07:35.53 | gravix | at least you have that going for you |
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| 07:44.16 | marcusU | gravix: Whatever |
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| 07:46.50 | gravix | sorry mate, nothing else to say |
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| 07:55.11 | pinotree | hello =) |
| 07:55.30 | marcusU | :'( |
| 07:56.32 | pinotree | hey marcusU, what's the matter? |
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| 08:01.29 | lunitik | wait... kde finally dropped ksirc? *g* |
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| 08:06.21 | pinotree | lunitik: that is another open question for kde4 ;) |
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| 08:14.25 | lunitik | pinotree: according to canllaith's site... konversation is the new KDE IRC client in 3.5 ... so now KDE ships with 2 IRC clients? |
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| 08:16.06 | canllaith | No it's in extragear |
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| 08:18.14 | lunitik | canllaith: ahh... I guess I misread... I thought it already was in extragear though? |
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| 08:18.44 | canllaith | Yes |
| 08:18.47 | canllaith | but it's a relatively new project |
| 08:19.34 | lunitik | ahh... ok... add one more to the list of people that think kde should drop ksirc :) |
| 08:19.43 | lunitik | Are they even actively working on that still? |
| 08:21.20 | canllaith | Not actively as it's feature complete |
| 08:21.49 | Aji-Dahaka | add one more to the list of people that think kde has too many too similar text editors... |
| 08:21.52 | Aji-Dahaka | :) |
| 08:23.27 | canllaith | So just don't use the ones you don't like? |
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| 08:24.12 | Aji-Dahaka | I don't, but sure are a lot that get installed |
| 08:24.44 | Aji-Dahaka | aren't the editors in kdebase? |
| 08:24.52 | lunitik | canllaith: it has 2 different editors... one just happens to have 2 modes :/ |
| 08:25.07 | canllaith | Kate and Kwrite are in kdebase |
| 08:25.10 | lunitik | kwrite (or is it kedit?) really needs to go bye bye officially though... |
| 08:25.12 | canllaith | and they are actually the same editor |
| 08:25.25 | canllaith | kedit is in kdeaddons or utils, I can't remember which |
| 08:25.29 | Aji-Dahaka | huh, interesting |
| 08:25.30 | canllaith | and it's still there because it suports RTL properly |
| 08:25.33 | canllaith | and kate did not |
| 08:25.33 | lunitik | Aji-Dahaka* sorry canllaith |
| 08:25.55 | canllaith | So really there are two different editors, one of them is in one of the addons packages and it's there because it supports something kate does not. |
| 08:26.01 | canllaith | So it's not as redundant as you might think. |
| 08:26.13 | lunitik | I hope kpdf stuff goes into KViewWhatever though... a single text viewer would be great. |
| 08:26.19 | canllaith | Once support for bidi text is in katepart I think kedit is going bye-bye, yes |
| 08:26.32 | Aji-Dahaka | great to here |
| 08:26.47 | Aji-Dahaka | now if it had a vim-emulation mode :) |
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| 08:27.28 | lunitik | Aji-Dahaka: vim_part should be extended if its not already :/ |
| 08:28.05 | lunitik | canllaith: ps, nice site :) |
| 08:28.12 | Aji-Dahaka | I had heard something or other that made it sound like the existing vim stuff was getting removed and replaced |
| 08:28.15 | canllaith | lunitik: thanks! :D |
| 08:28.30 | canllaith | lunitik: I'm afraid it sucks in internet explorer though :( I need to make an alternative css stylesheet for it |
| 08:28.47 | lunitik | canllaith: damn the bad luck ;) |
| 08:28.52 | canllaith | heh I wouldn't care |
| 08:29.04 | canllaith | except my mum uses windows and so does most of my bf's family |
| 08:29.19 | canllaith | so I changed to a photo gallery software that generates stuff that looks nice in IE too and link them straight to the gallery. |
| 08:29.30 | Aji-Dahaka | and they can't use firefox? |
| 08:29.33 | lunitik | canllaith: good way to introduce them to KDE :) |
| 08:29.56 | canllaith | They like to use what they are using. I'm not going to tell them they have to change if they don't want to. |
| 08:30.07 | canllaith | lunitik: no they don't want to use KDE, they are happy with what they have. |
| 08:30.07 | Aji-Dahaka | I suppose... |
| 08:30.32 | Sho_ | lunitik: Nah, Konvi isn't in 3.5 |
| 08:31.12 | lunitik | Sho_: apparently its in extragear... we already cleared that up ;) |
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| 08:32.02 | Sho_ | lunitik: Sorry, just got a highlight on Konvi (dev here) and didn't read much further |
| 08:32.26 | canllaith | You can just compile kopete by itself |
| 08:32.27 | lunitik | Sho_: ahh... sorry... great work :) |
| 08:32.47 | lunitik | canllaith: I always break stuff when I compile it myself :( |
| 08:33.06 | lunitik | s/it/things/ |
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| 08:33.26 | canllaith | ok :) |
| 08:34.13 | lunitik | plus, only one box at my disposal... kills general use... :( |
| 08:35.24 | lunitik | That grey really looks weird on a transparent panel :( |
| 08:36.06 | canllaith | Right click on the pager |
| 08:36.13 | canllaith | Pager options |
| 08:36.15 | canllaith | background |
| 08:36.16 | canllaith | transparent |
| 08:36.22 | canllaith | you can't show an image unless you're using 3.5 |
| 08:36.28 | lunitik | I should have been able to figure that out... |
| 08:36.33 | canllaith | The menu might not say exactly that as it changed drastically for 3.5 |
| 08:36.36 | lunitik | canllaith: I am... at least libs and base :) |
| 08:36.41 | canllaith | oh ok ! |
| 08:36.49 | lunitik | canllaith: thank you though :) |
| 08:36.50 | canllaith | in that case, you see in that menu everything you can do |
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| 09:09.21 | dtb | hey, anyone know how i can change the font size of the menu within firefox, xchat, gaim, etc... |
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| 09:10.03 | manulito | if i use Konquerer from some other windowmanager, and use "move to trash" does it rm -rf the files or move them to some .trash folder? |
| 09:10.05 | pinotree | dtb: "firefox, xchat, gaim" are not kde apps |
| 09:10.21 | Tm_T | dtb: change your gtk settings |
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| 09:10.30 | dtb | was thinking there might be some gtk font config tool i could use |
| 09:10.35 | dtb | where are gtk settings Tm_T ? |
| 09:10.58 | Tm_T | dtb: install gtk-qt gtk-engine |
| 09:11.45 | Tm_T | can't remember te name of it |
| 09:18.30 | dtb | ty |
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| 09:22.19 | manulito | to what folder in the filessyste are files moved, when i use "move to trash" ? |
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| 09:33.06 | Benoni | /home/user/.local/share/Trash/files |
| 09:34.07 | Benoni | I couldn't find anything about that on the net when I wanted to find the trash dir but I just made a random file name trashed it and then searched my home dir for it. |
| 09:34.53 | Benoni | I would have thought there would have been more about it, since it is nice for root to be delete huge backlogs of files from trash. |
| 09:35.11 | Benoni | manulito, that answered your question. |
| 09:35.12 | Benoni | ? |
| 09:35.42 | Benoni | Infact there is also an info folder inside Trash which is also helpful |
| 09:35.49 | manulito | thanks! |
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| 09:36.11 | manulito | tho i actually found that i could empty the trash from konquerer =) (never used kde before) |
| 09:36.28 | manulito | using fluxbox + konquerer atm, and wanted to empty the trash |
| 09:36.35 | manulito | thanks for the help anyway! |
| 09:36.52 | neewt | Hi! Is there an application that can handle synchronisation between two computers. For instance, I would like a Documents-folder that is synchronised between laptop and workstation. Possible with some KDE-gear? |
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| 09:37.34 | whirm | neewt: use unison is console and gtk only tough... |
| 09:40.29 | neewt | whirm: ok I'll check it out, thanks. |
| 09:40.45 | neewt | I saw that kbear has synchronisation-capabilities.. so I may check that too |
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| 10:36.55 | pinotree | good day, PhilRod |
| 10:37.01 | canllaith | Heya PhilRod :) |
| 10:37.18 | pinotree | and god day to you too, canllaith =) |
| 10:37.21 | pinotree | good* |
| 10:37.23 | canllaith | :) |
| 10:38.03 | pinotree | :-D |
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| 10:43.38 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.01 | PhilRod | hey pinotree, canllaith |
| 10:45.25 | PhilRod | ah, everyone's full of beans this morning :-) |
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| 10:49.12 | StevenR | PhilRod: i want beans ! :( |
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| 10:52.37 | StevenR | avinoam: those are both modifiers, so kde is waiting for the final key to complete the sequence, eg alt-shift-S...pick another combination :) |
| 10:53.07 | avinoam | StevenR, but that's one of the choices that it gives me |
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| 10:53.14 | StevenR | ? |
| 10:53.23 | avinoam | in the kde language menu |
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| 10:54.35 | avinoam | StevenR, setxkbmap -option grp:alt_shift_toggle |
| 10:55.34 | avinoam | alt+shift changes group |
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| 10:57.30 | PhilRod | StevenR: excessive caffeine consumption is usually a good alternative :-) |
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| 10:58.04 | StevenR | PhilRod: ...i might have to go and find a tin of beans to have with jacket spud for lunch |
| 10:58.15 | avinoam | StevenR, any more ideas? |
| 10:58.45 | StevenR | avinoam: have you allowed the right things in xorg.conf ? like switching group? |
| 10:58.59 | jmspeex | I don't know what's wrong with the KDE version I have, but all the tools print the time as "20:MM" right now instead of "20:58" |
| 10:59.29 | StevenR | jmspeex: your time format is not configured correctly |
| 11:00.42 | avinoam | StevenR, i'm not sure. i enabled it in kde's configure which should do the same for xorg |
| 11:03.21 | avinoam | StevenR, I see Option "XkbRules" "xorg" |
| 11:05.18 | pinotree | canllaith: sorry, i was on the phone |
| 11:05.29 | pinotree | canllaith: was you upsate for that small joke? ;) |
| 11:05.35 | pinotree | upset* |
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| 11:08.14 | canllaith | pinotree: no :P |
| 11:08.22 | pinotree | ;) |
| 11:09.39 | Tm_T | :) |
| 11:09.44 | Tm_T | hi canllaith |
| 11:09.53 | Tm_T | &co |
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| 11:13.04 | canllaith | heya |
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| 11:14.28 | Tm_T | how are you? |
| 11:14.52 | canllaith | not too bad thanks |
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| 11:24.59 | Tm_T | =) |
| 11:25.10 | canllaith | heh |
| 11:25.14 | Tm_T | PhilRod: hi (part of co) |
| 11:25.19 | canllaith | sounds like a kids tv show with talking animals |
| 11:25.30 | Tm_T | canllaith: this isn't!? |
| 11:25.55 | Tm_T | x) |
| 11:26.07 | Tm_T | imagination <3 |
| 11:26.39 | Tm_T | pinotree: yes you are, you are that flurry bear, right? |
| 11:26.51 | pinotree | ¬.¬ |
| 11:27.12 | Tm_T | uuuuuh |
| 11:27.38 | Tm_T | just think of it, kopete style with flurry animal pics |
| 11:27.45 | Tm_T | aaargh my eyes xD |
| 11:28.32 | Tm_T | ok, too wild now... coffee, anyone? |
| 11:28.53 | Tm_T | me too |
| 11:29.00 | pinotree | :) |
| 11:29.02 | Tm_T | but need some coffee to balance it |
| 11:29.12 | pinotree | nah, too caffeine for me |
| 11:29.44 | Tm_T | just imagine it, first get enough sugar to mess your head... |
| 11:29.51 | Tm_T | then, add caffeine =) |
| 11:30.06 | Tm_T | who need alcohol these days |
| 11:30.15 | Tm_T | =) |
| 11:33.55 | Tm_T | :/ |
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| 11:44.01 | jmspeex | StevenR: What do you mean my time format isn't configured properly? There's two options and both print :MM instead of the real minutes. |
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| 11:45.39 | StevenR | jmspeex: what 2 options are you talking about? what distro and version of kde? have you checked bugs.kde.org? |
| 11:46.20 | jmspeex | Ubuntu KDE 3.4.0 |
| 11:46.32 | jmspeex | options are HH:MM:SS and HH:MM:SS pM |
| 11:46.45 | jmspeex | (I mean AMPM) |
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| 11:53.05 | jmspeex | StevenR: http://people.xiph.org/~jm/kdetime.png |
| 11:54.21 | StevenR | jmspeex: have you checked in kcontrol? |
| 11:55.11 | jmspeex | checked what? |
| 11:56.59 | StevenR | the time format settings |
| 11:57.18 | StevenR | under contry/region + language |
| 11:58.48 | PhilRod | it looks to me like someone made a booboo in the localization of the time format |
| 11:59.52 | PhilRod | jmspeex: perhaps ask in #kde-fr whether someone else using the French localization has the same problem |
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| 12:06.14 | lunitik | jmspeex: I'm using Kubuntu also... works here with MM ... |
| 12:06.23 | lunitik | English localization though... |
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| 12:08.28 | lunitik | jmspeex: you may want to dist-upgrade... maybe they fixed the issue? 3.4.2 is in breezy ... which is stable enough to use atm |
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| 12:16.12 | edulix | hi ! |
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| 12:16.24 | edulix | I'm using kde 3.5 beta1 from kubuntu |
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| 12:16.34 | Celestar | is 3.5 stable enough for a production environment? |
| 12:16.48 | edulix | I would rather use 3.4 just in case :P |
| 12:16.54 | straw | uh... it's beta 1 |
| 12:17.05 | Celestar | well, 3.4b1 was reasonably stable |
| 12:17.18 | Tm_T | Celestar: working ok here |
| 12:17.29 | Celestar | "ok" doesn'T sound convinced :) |
| 12:17.33 | edulix | I've noticed that in http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9454786/ , if I double click a word, it lags about 2 seconds in being highlighted |
| 12:17.35 | straw | depends on what defines "production environment" i guess |
| 12:17.40 | Tm_T | well, no troubles thus far |
| 12:17.48 | Celestar | straw my workstation |
| 12:17.49 | Celestar | no server :) |
| 12:18.01 | Tm_T | Celestar: test it |
| 12:18.02 | PhilRod | the usual - I find 3.5b1 reasonably stable, but if you want "guarantees" of stability, wait for 3.5 final |
| 12:18.09 | edulix | in other pages is instantaneous. does it happes the smae to you (others than me) ? I'm talking about konqueror of course |
| 12:18.17 | Celestar | well, I can live with a crash a day :P |
| 12:18.27 | lunitik | edulix: same here... although its really not complete at all.... |
| 12:18.29 | straw | should be ok, then. as long as you won't lose $ if it eats your lunch |
| 12:18.29 | Tm_T | edulix: msn.com, you got your answer |
| 12:19.09 | lunitik | edulix: its actually not lagging at all here though... |
| 12:19.32 | PhilRod | edulix: same here. If you can make a test case, you might like to report it as a bug |
| 12:19.38 | PhilRod | lunitik: what kde version? |
| 12:20.01 | lunitik | PhilRod: core is 3.5 beta 1 ... most software is 3.4.2 though |
| 12:20.04 | edulix | PhilRod: you mean to detect what is making it act that way ? |
| 12:20.24 | lunitik | (libs and base is 3.5 beta 1) |
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| 12:20.59 | texnofobix | how long does kde take to compile? |
| 12:21.09 | lunitik | texnofobix: a long time |
| 12:21.23 | edulix | depends on your computer but yeah more than one hour hehe |
| 12:21.24 | texnofobix | 12 hrs 2 days? |
| 12:21.33 | texnofobix | i figured more than an hour |
| 12:21.33 | PhilRod | lunitik: same here. I wonder why it's showing up on edulix's system and mine, but not yours |
| 12:21.38 | lunitik | texnofobix: you gonna tell us about your hardware? |
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| 12:21.57 | texnofobix | 800/133mhz 512mb |
| 12:21.58 | lunitik | PhilRod: no idea... I double clicked words... just as he said... no lag... |
| 12:22.09 | lunitik | texnofobix: on that.. like a week |
| 12:22.15 | texnofobix | lol |
| 12:22.34 | edulix | lunitik: in Help > About Konqueror it says "Konqueror 3.4.91" ? |
| 12:22.56 | lunitik | edulix: yup |
| 12:23.03 | texnofobix | have a great day/morning/evening i g2g to class and etc |
| 12:23.08 | lunitik | Although I am getting the lag now... go figure :/ |
| 12:23.36 | edulix | hehe |
| 12:24.00 | PhilRod | edulix: there's a page with hints on making konqueror test cases. Let me see if I can find it |
| 12:24.22 | edulix | PhilRod: that would help ;) |
| 12:24.38 | PhilRod | http://quality.kde.org/develop/howto/howtobugs.php |
| 12:24.42 | PhilRod | near the bottom of that page |
| 12:24.58 | PhilRod | ok, so it's not very comprehensive, but it could help |
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| 12:34.27 | PhilRod | minibug that I have in kmail from KDE 3.5b1: settings->configure filters, and the filter dialog takes a couple of seconds to appear. Can anyone else confirm this behaviour? |
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| 12:35.42 | ABRAXAS77 | hi |
| 12:35.48 | ABRAXAS77 | somebody have gtk theme transparent? |
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| 12:36.38 | edulix | PhilRod: the html code of that page is certainly shit |
| 12:39.46 | PhilRod | ABRAXAS77: um, wouldn't #gnome be a better place to ask? |
| 12:39.50 | PhilRod | edulix: heh, I bet :-) |
| 12:40.56 | ABRAXAS77 | PhilRod, i dont know |
| 12:41.05 | ABRAXAS77 | PhilRod, kde doesnt use gtk? |
| 12:41.13 | PhilRod | ABRAXAS77: no it doesn't |
| 12:41.21 | ABRAXAS77 | ohh |
| 12:41.22 | ABRAXAS77 | sorry |
| 12:41.28 | ABRAXAS77 | thnx,bye |
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| 12:41.33 | PhilRod | LOL |
| 12:45.33 | pinotree | PhilRod: there are funny people in the world, you know... |
| 12:47.11 | jeh_work | ok, not everyone is a developer that knows about what toolkit something uses |
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| 12:52.34 | lunitik | jeh_work: I'm not a developer... I know what toolkit is used... I don't understand your point? |
| 12:53.32 | jeh_work | lunitik: that makes you a semitechnical user then. but not everyone does |
| 12:54.03 | lunitik | Most that use Linux are still 'semitechnical' |
| 12:54.18 | jeh_work | lunitik: not anymore. there are more and more "plain users" |
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| 12:58.41 | SuseUX | damn, xorg cvs is sweeter |
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| 13:08.02 | Celestar | hm .. |
| 13:08.16 | Celestar | still dependency hell when installing 3.5b1 |
| 13:09.05 | Celestar | wtf is libpoppler? |
| 13:09.25 | straw | pdf |
| 13:10.06 | Celestar | ? |
| 13:10.51 | pinotree | Celestar: poppler is the xpdf code putted as freedesktop.org library |
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| 13:11.00 | Celestar | ah |
| 13:11.02 | pinotree | as xpdf it's gpl |
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| 13:11.14 | Celestar | I'm trying to find a suitable rpm :) |
| 13:12.13 | Celestar | still having 3 failed depencies :S |
| 13:12.17 | Celestar | +den |
| 13:14.06 | bushwakko | I'm having problems with my ACPI support and klaptop |
| 13:14.13 | bushwakko | the helper app doesnt do anything |
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| 13:16.04 | Celestar | wtf is kdelibs3-arts? |
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| 13:16.57 | straw | some distro-specific package |
| 13:17.41 | Celestar | hm .. Preparing packages for installation. |
| 13:17.47 | Celestar | left out all the devel stuff for a start |
| 13:18.26 | Celestar | hmpf still 2 errors |
| 13:19.29 | Celestar | installing .. I hope it doesn't fuck up anything ^^ |
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| 13:22.57 | pinotree | hello el :) |
| 13:23.17 | Celestar | hm .. |
| 13:23.21 | Celestar | KDE 3.5b1 running |
| 13:23.30 | el | hi pinotree :) |
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| 13:26.12 | helpme | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.14 | Celestar | no problems up to now :) |
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| 13:28.00 | edulix | is it possible to deetach the sidebars in kate from kde 3.5 ? |
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| 13:30.17 | helpme | how do install this http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=14620 |
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| 13:35.42 | straw | helpme: since there's no index.theme included, you can't |
| 13:36.02 | Celestar | hmpf .. kdevelop from 3.5 will not install :S |
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| 13:51.28 | Bieleke | noon guys |
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| 13:51.38 | Bieleke | how do you activate popups in konqueror ? |
| 13:54.09 | pinotree | Bieleke: right-click? |
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| 13:55.37 | koala_man | Bieleke: to enable popup windows, see the settings in the javascript section |
| 13:55.59 | Bieleke | pinotree: right-click ? |
| 13:56.07 | Bieleke | mmm let's take a look |
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| 13:58.17 | Bieleke | koala_man: thanks dude... this fixed the issue :-) |
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| 13:58.59 | Bieleke | firefox 1.0.6 seems not to handle it correctly, even when you allow that website to popup a new window, it simply denies it. |
| 13:59.22 | Bieleke | well, maybe 1.0.7 fixes it again |
| 14:00.19 | Bieleke | oh, are there plans to create a new systray-applet to display networktraffic ? Like gnome and windows xp have ? Two monitors ? |
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| 14:01.04 | pinotree | Bieleke: try knemo |
| 14:01.04 | Bieleke | cause now i use KSysguard and added packets (in and out) but that thing is so freaking huge in the systray |
| 14:01.17 | Bieleke | pinotree: is that included in kde ? |
| 14:01.22 | pinotree | mmm.. no |
| 14:01.36 | Bieleke | okay... time to google :-) |
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| 14:04.55 | Vicker | guys, is there any problem in system sound notifications in KDE 3.5 beta ? |
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| 14:24.18 | cetex | i want an alias for aterm so that when i use kde`s run-command and types aterm it should run something like "aterm -sl -sb ...", how do it do this? |
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| 14:24.47 | cetex | kde seems to refuse to run /etc/profile, ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc |
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| 14:27.01 | Bieleke | okay i installed knemo (RPM) how do i start it ? |
| 14:28.07 | pinotree | Bieleke: eheh, it's a kded service, so kcontrol->kde components->service manager |
| 14:28.29 | pinotree | int he startup service, there' kneno daemon, or something like thayt |
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| 14:28.32 | pinotree | that* |
| 14:32.03 | Bieleke | pinotree: thanks a lot dude |
| 14:32.09 | Bieleke | this is cooooooooooooooool |
| 14:32.10 | pinotree | np |
| 14:32.19 | Bieleke | why do they not add this in kde as a standard ? |
| 14:32.30 | pinotree | eh |
| 14:32.35 | pinotree | it's in extragear now |
| 14:32.56 | Bieleke | mmmm maybe i seem dumb, but what is extragear |
| 14:33.29 | pinotree | it's the place for kde software that is "stable", but not included in the official kde modules |
| 14:33.44 | Bieleke | aha... again learned something |
| 14:34.01 | pinotree | for example, there's k3b, amarok, konversation, kdebluetooth, knemo, kimdaba, etc... |
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| 14:53.48 | elirips | somebody knows if i can tell kde to: use smtp server A if i send from idendity a, use smtp server B if i send from idendity b, and so on? |
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| 14:54.05 | elirips | until know it just uses the default mailserver. |
| 14:54.34 | hareldvd | Hi all, Where can I get help regarding screen lock problem? |
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| 14:55.29 | pinotree | elirips: in the edit identity dialog, choose the advanced tab and then active special trasport and choose the smtp for that identity |
| 14:56.18 | elirips | pinotree: wow, thanks, i did not find that until now :) |
| 14:56.19 | pinotree | hareldvd: exaplain your issues, if anyone could reply you, he/she will do |
| 14:57.01 | pinotree | ... after 5 years of mozilla-mail |
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| 14:57.26 | elirips | pinotree: uhm, i've been using kmail for at least one year, but until now i only had one idendity.. |
| 14:58.37 | bc-bd | pinotree: your experience in a sentence? |
| 14:58.51 | bc-bd | pinotree: because i am thinking about swtiching |
| 14:59.18 | pinotree | bc-bd: from mozilla-mail/thunderbird to kmail? |
| 14:59.37 | bc-bd | pinotree: yes. after I dumped evolution for thunderbird |
| 14:59.47 | pinotree | evolution... brrrr |
| 14:59.58 | hareldvd | Hi, I have set an additional keyboard layout. I have set a taskbar flag to change the layout. When I am not active for some time the screen locks. It might lock while I am on the alternate layout. In that case the password I type is incorrect. On 3.3 the layout change button on the unlock screen worked but on 3.4.1 it doesn't. Any idea? I posted a message to kde@mail.kde.org but got no reply. |
| 15:00.03 | bc-bd | well, girls gotta eat ;) |
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| 15:02.05 | nate | Hi everyone. |
| 15:02.45 | nate | I'm on a search for finding some RPM packages for KDE 3.4.2 for RedHat ES 3 -- can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 15:03.47 | bc-bd | nate: of the top of my head, freshrpms.net? |
| 15:04.01 | hareldvd | pinotree: I guess no one knows. |
| 15:04.29 | pinotree | hareldvd: well be patient a bit more, 5 minutes it's not so much time... |
| 15:04.32 | nate | Hrmm... I'll take a look. |
| 15:04.46 | nate | I just don't feel like trying to get a compile to work, as I tend to have rather sour luck in that department. :-0 |
| 15:08.19 | hareldvd | pinotree, How long would it still make sense to wait? |
| 15:08.43 | pinotree | hareldvd: ifyou hare hurry, nobody forces you to wait... |
| 15:09.41 | hareldvd | pinotree, no hurry at all, just not familiar with habits in this group. I guess at some point the message will scroll out (As I help it right now). |
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| 15:19.17 | cetex | nm my question earlier, my hdd crashed just now. :) |
| 15:19.48 | Celestar | what was the question? |
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| 15:35.32 | nate | I'm curious -- does anyone have any particular terminal font that they prefer? |
| 15:35.55 | nate | I almost religiously use the "miscfixed" font when using Konsole -- but could never seem to find any other good ones. |
| 15:36.24 | Celestar | I use andale mono |
| 15:36.30 | Nate | Hrmmm... |
| 15:36.55 | bc-bd | monospace here |
| 15:37.08 | Celestar | but I tend to change it from time to time |
| 15:37.19 | Nate | Yea -- I'm going through that right this second, Celestar. :-0 |
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| 15:37.33 | Nate | I can't quite seem to get the aesthetics of my desktop the wya I want. |
| 15:38.16 | Celestar | welcome to the club |
| 15:38.31 | Nate | I mdae the mistake of downloading some font package that I found that had about four thousand fonts in it. :-) |
| 15:38.38 | Celestar | haha |
| 15:38.57 | Celestar | I've today extended my desktop to 2 19" TFTs :) |
| 15:39.03 | Celestar | which comes quite handy |
| 15:39.37 | Nate | Nice! My primary desktop is two 17" LCD's, but this box uses a CRT at 1900xwhatever |
| 15:39.56 | Nate | Wish they had some LCD's that supported that kind of resolution. |
| 15:40.04 | Celestar | they have |
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| 15:40.19 | Celestar | I have found that IBM makes thinkpads at something like 2048x1536 on request. |
| 15:40.24 | Celestar | dunno about the prices tho |
| 15:40.33 | Celestar | maybe don'T want to know |
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| 15:42.43 | Nate | holy cow! |
| 15:42.49 | Nate | That kind of res is almost worth owning a stinkpad. :-) |
| 15:43.00 | Celestar | I have 1400x1050 on mine |
| 15:43.06 | Celestar | which is VERY decent |
| 15:43.17 | Nate | Yea -- I imagine anything over 1600x1200 on a laptop might become a bit difficult. |
| 15:43.30 | Celestar | HP have some with 1920x1200 |
| 15:43.35 | Celestar | but I don't like it |
| 15:44.11 | Nate | That seems like it might be a bit out of proportion. |
| 15:44.21 | Celestar | well, a typical widescreen |
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| 15:45.23 | ataxic | one of those projectors would be cool 2 by 1 meter on my wall |
| 15:47.50 | Nate | I'm always seeing those "Build your own projector" things on Ebay -- I have to admit to being mildly curious. |
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| 15:48.58 | ataxic | it was used for training powerpoint presentation etc, only thing i was thinking of was how stuff would look on my wall with that thing :P |
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| 15:49.49 | ataxic | not very sharp and i can see my self having a headache after a couple of hours |
| 15:49.56 | Celestar | :S |
| 15:50.00 | ataxic | maybe just a cheap one i guess |
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| 15:50.12 | Celestar | don't you love it when a fileserver has 70% CPU load due to a screensaver |
| 15:50.38 | ataxic | hehe |
| 15:53.45 | Nate | Whats a fileserver even need a screen to save for? ;-) |
| 15:54.06 | Celestar | I dunno. I didn't set it up :S |
| 15:54.21 | Celestar | it's especially helpful as no screen is connected :) |
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| 15:56.00 | Celestar | Hosts down: 0 <= YAY! for the first time in 4 weeks |
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| 15:57.32 | Falkom | hi, anybody who speaks spanish? |
| 15:58.12 | Celestar | babelfish does |
| 15:58.22 | Falkom | you are right |
| 15:58.30 | Falkom | I have a project and I need any information |
| 15:58.44 | Falkom | I need to create a ltsp with kde desktop |
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| 15:59.07 | Falkom | and my question is: where can I get information to custom the different desktop? |
| 15:59.10 | Celestar | I have such a setup, but it is old. |
| 15:59.21 | Celestar | what does that question have to do with spanish?! |
| 15:59.29 | Celestar | the KDE language is a user-specific option |
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| 15:59.48 | Falkom | no. My English level is bad |
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| 16:00.08 | dystopianray | judging from his english, Falkom is a native Spanish speaker |
| 16:00.10 | Falkom | I want to custom kde desktop to my lptsp users and I dont know where I can information about it |
| 16:00.37 | Falkom | I dont know if I explain me:-( |
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| 16:03.10 | StevenR | anyone use kcheckgmail and have it actually work? |
| 16:03.37 | Nate | I can speak a bit of spanish, Falkom |
| 16:03.52 | Falkom | Nate: Estoy instalando LTSP |
| 16:04.03 | Nate | no conozco LTSP |
| 16:04.20 | Nate | "Linux Terminal Server Project"? |
| 16:04.24 | Falkom | www.ltsp.org terminales tontos con servidor de desktop linux |
| 16:04.24 | Falkom | sí |
| 16:04.44 | Nate | Ok -- en que te puedo servirle? |
| 16:04.45 | SuperLag | Falkom: hay un canal por eso, #ltsp |
| 16:05.00 | Falkom | I hate gnome desktop and miguel de icaza |
| 16:05.08 | SuperLag | wow |
| 16:05.14 | Falkom | and I want to use KDE |
| 16:05.18 | SuperLag | Porque lo odias? |
| 16:05.28 | Falkom | lo conocí en persona |
| 16:05.32 | Falkom | y parece un clown |
| 16:05.32 | Tm_T | yksi olut, amigo |
| 16:05.45 | SuperLag | un payaso? |
| 16:05.47 | Falkom | eso es |
| 16:05.49 | PhilRod | Falkom: you can ask in #kde-es if you want to speak spanish |
| 16:05.57 | Falkom | I am sorry PhilRod |
| 16:06.10 | PhilRod | Falkom: but if you want to change the settings on the users' machines, do this: |
| 16:06.18 | PhilRod | Falkom: it's ok :-) |
| 16:06.28 | dystopianray | lol, clown :D |
| 16:06.38 | Falkom | and with LTSP, I need to limit of capacities to user... I dont want that any user can shutdown my server. |
| 16:06.39 | Tm_T | PhilRod: remember, you're just "&co" |
| 16:06.48 | Tm_T | ;--P |
| 16:06.57 | Tm_T | haha |
| 16:06.58 | PhilRod | create a "test" user, and set up that users' account how you like it |
| 16:07.06 | Falkom | do you know if exist any good customized manual? |
| 16:07.16 | SuperLag | /etc/skel/ is your friend |
| 16:07.17 | Falkom | PhilRod and with test user I can shutdown the server |
| 16:07.23 | PhilRod | then copy all the files from ~test/.kde/ to $KDEDIR |
| 16:07.36 | Falkom | ? |
| 16:07.46 | PhilRod | Falkom: you can use KDE's "kiosk" tools to limit users' capabilities |
| 16:07.51 | Falkom | what is $KDEIDIR? |
| 16:08.00 | PhilRod | the directory that KDE is instaled in |
| 16:08.01 | Falkom | where is theses tools? |
| 16:08.17 | PhilRod | you can find out the value of KDEDIR by running "kde-config --prefix" |
| 16:08.27 | Falkom | any good manual? |
| 16:08.38 | PhilRod | http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin/ |
| 16:08.43 | PhilRod | lots of good stuff there. |
| 16:08.56 | PhilRod | for the method I described, see the KDE user guide. Let me find the right section |
| 16:09.18 | Falkom | :))) |
| 16:09.21 | PhilRod | http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/kde-for-administrators.html |
| 16:09.30 | PhilRod | let me see if it's translated into Spanish |
| 16:10.31 | PhilRod | no, doesn't look like it |
| 16:10.37 | PhilRod | just english, sorry |
| 16:10.42 | Falkom | dont worry |
| 16:10.50 | Falkom | I would to invite to you a beer |
| 16:11.33 | Falkom | I installed RHEL and gnome it's terrible |
| 16:11.42 | Falkom | and I installed solaris and gnome it's a nightware |
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| 16:11.51 | PhilRod | Falkom: heh, if you'd been a month earlier, perhaps I'd have been able to say yes - I was in Málaga at the akademy conference :-) |
| 16:11.57 | PhilRod | (but perhaps you're not in spain...) |
| 16:12.07 | Falkom | PhilRod :) |
| 16:12.18 | Falkom | you was near to him |
| 16:12.22 | Falkom | you was near to me |
| 16:12.23 | Falkom | sorry |
| 16:12.39 | Falkom | I didn't go because I was on holidays in France |
| 16:12.55 | Nate | RHEL has been making me mad lately. |
| 16:12.57 | Falkom | I was invitated |
| 16:13.01 | PhilRod | ah, that's a pity - it was a really good conference |
| 16:13.12 | Falkom | I think to install a suse enterprise with kde 3.2 |
| 16:13.23 | Nate | I'll never use anything but Gentoo ever again. |
| 16:13.24 | Nate | ;-) |
| 16:13.39 | Nate | Wish I could find a kde 3.4 RPM or APT package for Redhat ES3. |
| 16:13.41 | Falkom | PhilRod: In English, I cannot understand very much |
| 16:13.54 | dystopianray | gentoo rocks :) |
| 16:13.59 | Falkom | Nate redhat is similar to windows 2003 server |
| 16:14.09 | Falkom | it is a blasfemy |
| 16:14.15 | Nate | hah! |
| 16:14.44 | Nate | I agree. |
| 16:15.17 | Falkom | today, I try to add a postscript printer |
| 16:15.22 | Falkom | and it doesnt work |
| 16:15.31 | Falkom | and I call to support assistance |
| 16:15.41 | Falkom | and I would to kill him or die |
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| 16:16.01 | Falkom | he answered me... you need a patch for cups |
| 16:16.12 | Falkom | I thought... like Windows. |
| 16:16.41 | Nate | Heh -- Well, at least you wont have to pay for the patch once you find it. |
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| 16:17.01 | Falkom | I need support because it is a public office |
| 16:17.09 | Falkom | if not, I would use debian |
| 16:17.13 | Nate | If it were REALLY like Windows 2003, the patch would be deliberately incompatible with your hardware, and you'd have to cough up thousands of dollars for the upgrade to support the patch. |
| 16:17.29 | PhilRod | Falkom: you should be able to do all you want using KDE. They might know in #kde-es or on kdehispano.org where you can find documentation in Spanish |
| 16:17.48 | Falkom | PhilRod you will have two beers when you come back t spain |
| 16:18.09 | Falkom | Nate: I use sunray server (like LTSP) and I need RHEL or Suse or SJD |
| 16:18.14 | Falkom | and I prefer Suse.... |
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| 17:18.23 | The_Ace | Is the smooth-blend theme included in the beta1 of kde 3.5? |
| 17:18.45 | pinotree | The_Ace: yep |
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| 17:27.10 | dystopianray | i like plastik as well |
| 17:27.26 | dystopianray | i'm glad it's the default, keramik was the most dog-ugly pos I ever saw :s |
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| 17:37.11 | pwk | hi fellas, is it possible to show only the windows on the currently selected virtual desktop in the task-bar? |
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| 17:38.26 | dystopianray | yes it is |
| 17:38.37 | pwk | dystopianray, I knew it, can you tell me where? |
| 17:38.45 | pinotree | pwk: sure, right click on the taskbar, configure kicker, taskbar, and deselect Show windows on all the desktops |
| 17:39.14 | dystopianray | yeah waht pinotree said :) |
| 17:39.46 | pwk | thats it, great. Didnt find it in kcontrol :) |
| 17:40.16 | pinotree | pwk: that's also in kcontrol, all the kicker config is in kcontrol too :-) |
| 17:42.22 | dystopianray | in kcontrol it's desktop -> taskbar -> 'show windows from desktops' or something |
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| 17:48.57 | david | hi. I just upgraded kde. If I go to system:/ it says the media manager isn't running. If I try to start the service using kcontrol it gives me an error that the service could not be started with no details. |
| 17:49.01 | david | how could I debug that? |
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| 17:51.04 | jgarbers | using konqueror 3.2.2 on FC2 - yes, I know it's old - I've encountered what appears to be a bug and would like to verify it in a newer version of KDE before submitting it to kdebugs... |
| 17:51.18 | jgarbers | can anyone try this test file in a newer konqueror? |
| 17:51.19 | jgarbers | http://www.jgarbers.com/ktagtest.html |
| 17:51.38 | jgarbers | old konq is returning tagName in lower case instead of upper case (as per standard) if the doctype is XHTML. |
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| 17:58.14 | dystopianray | the latest OO.org beta has kde widgets doesn't it? |
| 17:59.43 | elmago | is someone here familiar with kitchensync? |
| 18:00.24 | annma | dystopianray: you mean it is Qt based? |
| 18:01.00 | dystopianray | i don't knwo if it's using QT or not, but apparently it has kde widget support? |
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| 18:02.03 | jose__ | llo, please how to run ksu? |
| 18:02.12 | annma | kde widget support? explain? |
| 18:02.28 | jose__ | annma, hello |
| 18:02.35 | annma | jose__: type ksu in konsole or Alt+F2 -> ksu |
| 18:02.39 | jose__ | this is jose1711 (klettres..) |
| 18:02.56 | jose__ | annma, have gentoo on this system.. seems like it is not emerged |
| 18:02.57 | annma | hi! |
| 18:03.03 | jose__ | i do not know what package should i emerge |
| 18:03.11 | annma | well, not sure what this ksu is |
| 18:03.29 | jose__ | su -c "blabla" GUI |
| 18:03.29 | dystopianray | annma: http://kde.openoffice.org/ |
| 18:03.31 | jose__ | if there is one |
| 18:03.52 | annma | dystopianray: this is another project from OO.org |
| 18:03.59 | elmago | german guy here? |
| 18:04.06 | dystopianray | annma: "Beginning with the m118 milestone, KDE vclplug with the Native Widget Framework (NWF) is part of the official OpenOffice.org builds." |
| 18:04.09 | pinotree | elmago: #kde-de |
| 18:04.11 | pinotree | sorry |
| 18:04.13 | pinotree | elmago: #kde.de |
| 18:04.14 | elmago | thx |
| 18:04.23 | annma | dystopianray: hmm, yes, maybe |
| 18:04.49 | elmago | nice iam the only one in this channel |
| 18:04.59 | annma | lol |
| 18:05.06 | dystopianray | i was just wondering if anyone had tried any of the recent builds and knew what the native kde widgets were like :s |
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| 18:06.22 | annma | dystopianray: it does not seem very advanced yet |
| 18:06.49 | jose__ | http://xsu.sourceforge.net/ -- looking for something like this but from kde |
| 18:07.40 | annma | lok in kde-apps.org, jose__ |
| 18:07.46 | jgarbers | am i correct that my crusty ol' konqueror 3.2.2 doesn't support XmlHttpRequest? do newer versions support it? |
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| 18:13.32 | McCabe | hello |
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| 18:19.14 | chakie | hm, should kpdf be able to select text in a pdf file, or will it only select images? |
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| 18:19.33 | edulix | chakie: it can slect text |
| 18:19.51 | chakie | edulix: hm, mine doesn't |
| 18:19.56 | annma | for newest kpdf I think |
| 18:19.57 | edulix | chakie: which version ? |
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| 18:20.23 | chakie | ah, i must've selected some kind of original image |
| 18:20.35 | chakie | body text can be selected just fine |
| 18:20.42 | edulix | of course it doesn't do ocr in the images hehe |
| 18:20.49 | chakie | nope :) |
| 18:21.04 | edulix | it's a pitty though :P |
| 18:21.07 | chakie | it didn't look like an image though, just a text "December 2004" |
| 18:21.15 | edulix | yeah that's why |
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| 18:25.42 | Gueneviere | hello |
| 18:25.52 | annma | hi! |
| 18:25.57 | Gueneviere | alt f1 to access start menu right? its not working! worked yesterday but no go today |
| 18:26.00 | Gueneviere | grrr... stupid mouse |
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| 18:26.20 | Gueneviere | every time i boot my mouse is inactive |
| 18:26.34 | annma | Gueneviere: Suse, no? |
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| 18:27.02 | Gueneviere | correct |
| 18:27.05 | Gueneviere | suse w/ kde |
| 18:27.10 | Gueneviere | 9.3 |
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| 18:28.24 | annma | and #suse was not able tohelp you? or Suse forums? |
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| 18:28.29 | annma | or Google? |
| 18:29.10 | Gueneviere | negative |
| 18:29.14 | Gueneviere | google wasn't much help either |
| 18:29.22 | annma | what mouse is that? |
| 18:29.27 | annma | is it a special one? |
| 18:29.33 | Gueneviere | click plus by logitech |
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| 18:29.51 | annma | does it wrk for outside kde apps? |
| 18:29.56 | Gueneviere | wireless, 2 thumb buttons click wheel, and one more button behind the wheel |
| 18:30.14 | Gueneviere | it will work fine, i just have to go to yast, click on the same settings and then apply |
| 18:30.27 | Gueneviere | just gotta get to yast and then it works fine |
| 18:30.36 | Gueneviere | but now today the alt f1 shortcut won't even work |
| 18:30.47 | Gueneviere | (only a windows user can break linux...) |
| 18:31.09 | annma | does Alt+F2 work? |
| 18:31.17 | annma | the command line? |
| 18:31.19 | Gueneviere | nope |
| 18:31.26 | Gueneviere | can't get to command without getting to the menu |
| 18:31.34 | Gueneviere | all i can do is change desktops lol |
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| 18:31.58 | Gueneviere | im on a diff computer right now... |
| 18:32.16 | annma | what about a new user? nothing works? |
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| 18:32.26 | Gueneviere | i can't make a new user |
| 18:32.38 | Gueneviere | i literally can ONLY switch between my 2 desktops |
| 18:33.00 | _guest | any kmail folks know if imap calendar is supported? would like to hook kmail to my exchange server? |
| 18:33.09 | annma | Gueneviere: you cannot boot as root???? |
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| 18:33.18 | Gueneviere | oh, yeah i can do that |
| 18:33.24 | Gueneviere | i thought you mean create a new user |
| 18:33.35 | annma | so do that, create a new user and boot the new user |
| 18:33.49 | Gueneviere | i can boot as root, can't creat new user |
| 18:34.00 | annma | ask in #suse, Gueneviere |
| 18:34.09 | annma | this is too broken for me |
| 18:34.17 | Gueneviere | okay annma, tnx for helping 2 days in a row! |
| 18:34.41 | annma | in root you get konsole and you type adduser user_name |
| 18:34.51 | annma | then passwd user_name |
| 18:35.02 | annma | then log out and log in in the new user |
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| 18:39.45 | Tm_T | but... |
| 18:40.47 | annma | no but, Tm_T |
| 18:41.35 | elijahlofgren | Tm_T: I moved from Firefox probably a month or so ago. |
| 18:42.07 | dystopianray | I moved several months ago :) konq rocks |
| 18:42.58 | edulix | what's needed to be able to launch an app using DISPLAY=:0 ? xhost +localhost doesn't seem to work, although xhost + works but seems not the brightest idea |
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| 18:43.29 | gravix | lame... my university blocks port 6667 |
| 18:44.10 | edulix | put a proxyy in a pc outside or something hhee |
| 18:44.39 | gravix | yeah... IRC is so low-bandwidth, i don't understand why they would want to block it |
| 18:44.54 | Tm_T | annma: yeah, the issue is, I have to configure good "web browsing" profile :p |
| 18:45.09 | Tm_T | gravix: use 6668 then |
| 18:45.20 | Tm_T | most servers support multiple ports |
| 18:45.32 | gravix | yep... i just thought it was lame |
| 18:45.41 | Tm_T | yup |
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| 18:46.21 | zone17 | Hi, why is it that it's always impossible to set the right refresh rate with KDE control panel? |
| 18:46.46 | gravix | zone17: try setting it in your xorg.conf file |
| 18:47.33 | zone17 | yes, but whats the point with that stupid "display", in control panel when it can't be set right? It ALWAYS gives a much lower rate than what is possible. |
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| 18:48.20 | gravix | well, you can enable DDC to sense the refresh rates from your monitor, but it's generally simpler to just configure them manually |
| 18:48.33 | gravix | that's a weak point of xorg at the moment. has nothing to do with KDE really |
| 18:48.43 | tobi | hi @ all |
| 18:48.47 | whirm | zone17: have you tried to comment out all the modelines and freq settins in xorg.conf? |
| 18:48.50 | dystopianray | zone17: it depends on yoru HorizSync and VertRefresh settings in your xorg.conf |
| 18:50.18 | zone17 | it should depend on horiz and vert, but it doesn't I have yet to see one single machine with KDE where in control panel display has the right setup, even when its right in xorg.conf it always lower in kde |
| 18:50.40 | zone17 | sorry guys, just got really tired of this problem |
| 18:50.40 | gravix | zone17: works perfectly on my machine... |
| 18:51.07 | whirm | mine too |
| 18:51.39 | whirm | (i let xorg autodetect the posible freqs..) |
| 18:51.49 | gravix | i've never heard of anyone having that problem before... you might want to reset xorg settings to defaults |
| 18:52.06 | dystopianray | works fine on mine as well, |
| 18:52.15 | zone17 | I am working in setting up machines daily, and I haven't seen one where it's right. In this case the right vert and horiz is set, but KDE still shows only 60-70 eventhough the it can do more than 100 |
| 18:52.38 | zone17 | I have no problems using xorg eigther.. |
| 18:52.42 | zone17 | its only in KDE |
| 18:52.45 | gravix | that is truly bizarre. mine shows 1600x1200 @ 95hz |
| 18:53.26 | zone17 | gravis, then try to set it down for example to 1200X1024 @ 70, then after try to set it up, only using KDE |
| 18:53.35 | dystopianray | mien is showing 1280x1024@60hz, which is the maximum for this lcd monitor, and it shows all the higher refresh rates for lower resolutions, etc. |
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| 19:01.43 | cbr | is there some simple plotting app for kde? |
| 19:02.06 | annma | pltting what exactly? |
| 19:02.13 | dystopianray | klogo? |
| 19:02.14 | cbr | graphs |
| 19:02.17 | cbr | of equations |
| 19:02.24 | annma | KmPlot in kdeedu |
| 19:02.31 | annma | klogo does not exist |
| 19:02.43 | annma | KTurtle is a LOGO interpreter |
| 19:02.49 | annma | KmPlot is a plotting tool |
| 19:02.51 | dystopianray | oh yeah that's right :D |
| 19:02.53 | dystopianray | use kturtle :) |
| 19:02.56 | annma | no |
| 19:02.57 | dystopianray | logo rocks |
| 19:03.03 | annma | it does not plot! |
| 19:03.05 | gravix | ahahhaha LOGO |
| 19:03.08 | dystopianray | :( |
| 19:03.10 | gravix | i haven't used that since elementary school |
| 19:03.12 | annma | dystopianray: what a joker you are |
| 19:03.36 | annma | cbr: kmplot will probably do it, we also have a complex data plotting tool named kst |
| 19:03.46 | dystopianray | I used to play with logo in primary school on those old macs :) |
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| 19:04.14 | cbr | annma: kmplot is really simple :) |
| 19:04.33 | cbr | i like it :) |
| 19:04.57 | annma | :) thanks |
| 19:05.39 | cbr | i hate things like gnuplot where you have to stress your mind with the syntax instead of just being productive :) |
| 19:05.55 | dystopianray | what sort of plotting does it do? |
| 19:06.01 | cbr | functions |
| 19:06.05 | cbr | f(x)=x+2 |
| 19:06.06 | dystopianray | plotting mathemtical functions? |
| 19:06.06 | cbr | etc |
| 19:06.09 | cbr | yes |
| 19:06.35 | cbr | annma: how can i delete individual graphs in kmplot? |
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| 19:06.42 | dystopianray | :) |
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| 19:07.08 | cbr | oh edit plots |
| 19:07.49 | annma | :) |
| 19:08.20 | cbr | annma: it would be cool to have a sidebar where you could easily delete them |
| 19:08.40 | annma | cbr: I note that for kde4 |
| 19:09.05 | annma | maybe you can add the action in the toolbar? |
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| 19:09.30 | annma | yes, Main Toolbar |
| 19:09.40 | crguerra | hola |
| 19:09.41 | annma | you can add the icon actio for Remove |
| 19:09.45 | marjom | annma i dont know if this is appropriate but would extending kmplot to do 3D graphs be good? |
| 19:09.46 | McCabe | anyone knows what kde does after you type in your password and before you can start using your computer, ie when it blinks the little boxes and talks about initializing system devices etc? Is there anything you can do to change it's behaviour (i think almost 1 minute is a bit long for logging in!?) |
| 19:09.46 | crguerra | alguien habla español |
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| 19:09.52 | annma | cbr: Settings-> COnfigure Toolbars |
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| 19:10.02 | marjom | annma: im think of implicit equations and the like |
| 19:10.06 | McCabe | annma: perhaps you can help me here too ;) |
| 19:10.29 | annma | marjom: nope, KmPlot is focused on secondary school use |
| 19:10.42 | marjom | annma ah ok just a thought |
| 19:10.54 | annma | marjom: giving it too many possibilities will clutter it |
| 19:10.56 | cbr | annma: when i use that button, kmplot segfaults :) |
| 19:11.08 | annma | cbr: oh, you added in the toolbar? |
| 19:11.14 | cbr | yes |
| 19:11.18 | annma | cbr: let me try then, I have the code from yesterday |
| 19:11.50 | crguerra | my video dont work. anyone can you help me? |
| 19:11.52 | annma | woopsy |
| 19:11.59 | annma | cbr: you are right! |
| 19:12.02 | annma | big bug |
| 19:12.24 | annma | cbr: I have a backtrace for it and I am going to post it on kde bugs database |
| 19:12.53 | annma | cbr: we'll get it fixed for 3.5 final |
| 19:13.05 | marjom | crguerra: what programme are you using? |
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| 19:13.17 | crguerra | kafeine |
| 19:13.23 | cbr | annma: ok, glad i could help.. when will 3.5 be out anyway? |
| 19:13.26 | PhilRod | McCabe: search wiki.kde.org for "KDE performance tips" |
| 19:13.31 | annma | in a month maybe, cbr |
| 19:13.34 | crguerra | only i see mmpg |
| 19:13.39 | PhilRod | cbr: no planned date yet. Probably about a month, as annma says |
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| 19:13.54 | crguerra | i dont see avi, wmw |
| 19:14.10 | McCabe | PhilRod: thanks |
| 19:14.15 | marjom | crguerra: hmm i only have kmplayer i havent used kafeine |
| 19:14.18 | PhilRod | McCabe: or if you're interested in an academic sense, read $(kde-config --prefix)/bin/startkde |
| 19:14.21 | dystopianray | I can't wait for kde 3.5 :) |
| 19:14.39 | dystopianray | i'm mainly looking forward to the new kopete, that thing is insanely buggy currently :s |
| 19:14.41 | McCabe | PhilRod: ill look there too |
| 19:14.51 | marjom | annma: is there an age range kde edu is aimed at? |
| 19:15.20 | annma | marjom: not kdeedu itself |
| 19:15.23 | dystopianray | if your xine is configured properly then kaffeine will be perfectly fine |
| 19:15.24 | annma | but each app, yes |
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| 19:16.28 | annma | marjom: as far as I know KmPlot targets 11-18 ages or such |
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| 19:16.57 | marjom | annma: hmm thats A level maths than, well here in the uk at least :) |
| 19:17.35 | annma | and you do 3D graphs? |
| 19:18.11 | marjom | yes im wrighting an implicit modelling tool for a 3D modelling app and i was thinking i could reuse the code |
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| 19:18.48 | marjom | but my background is biological and you have no biology apps :) |
| 19:18.57 | annma | and you would mix it in kMplot instead of doing a separate app? |
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| 19:19.23 | annma | did you look in kde-apps.org to see if there was some 3D plotting already? |
| 19:19.41 | marjom | no it just came to me as you were all trying kmplot out |
| 19:19.43 | cbr | kalgebra did 3d |
| 19:19.55 | annma | personally I would not add that to kmplot but that's me |
| 19:20.34 | marjom | annma: i think i would agree acctually |
| 19:20.52 | marjom | is there any ideas floating around for biology based apps? |
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| 19:21.46 | zone17 | Hi, how in the new KDE system settings do I set how different keys should react? |
| 19:21.57 | dystopianray | something like that kelements (can't recall the name) program but for proteins or something? |
| 19:22.14 | sander | howdy, anyone know how to enable little google/search window in the upper right hand corner of Konqueror? |
| 19:22.16 | annma | marjom: no |
| 19:22.27 | annma | marjom: but you are welcome to start one! |
| 19:22.43 | annma | marjom: this is the right moment, after 3.5 and before 4 |
| 19:22.51 | marjom | annma: i will have a think. Biology is hard as its quite abstract |
| 19:22.59 | annma | yes |
| 19:23.12 | annma | new ideas are to use Wikipedia in our apps |
| 19:23.16 | dystopianray | is there a chemistry application yet? |
| 19:23.19 | annma | to add knowledge |
| 19:23.21 | marjom | but there will be fish lol as fish are my specialty |
| 19:23.28 | annma | dystopianray: of course! Kalzium |
| 19:23.56 | zone17 | Anyone KEY bindings on system settings? |
| 19:24.07 | dystopianray | oh, does it show stuff other than just individual elements? |
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| 19:24.14 | dystopianray | I would liek to see 3d models of various compounds or something :D |
| 19:24.28 | pinucset | please i need help, when y open the konsole it says Font `-misc-console-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1' not found. |
| 19:24.28 | pinucset | Check /usr/share/doc/konsole/README.Linux-font for help. and the letter isnt cool... |
| 19:24.34 | annma | zone17: Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts |
| 19:25.08 | annma | why is the bug report stuck on finish? |
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| 19:25.19 | PhilRod | pinucset: choose another font from settings->font |
| 19:26.05 | sander | font setting in konsole are better in 3.5 |
| 19:26.23 | pinucset | i chose big, but when i close and open the konsole it fails again... |
| 19:26.28 | dystopianray | sander: how so? |
| 19:26.44 | PhilRod | pinucset: did you go to "save as default" after you changed the font? |
| 19:26.49 | pinucset | ahm ok |
| 19:26.54 | dystopianray | pinucset: make sure you click the 'Save as default' button |
| 19:26.59 | dystopianray | err. menu item :p |
| 19:27.16 | annma | cbr: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113387 |
| 19:27.20 | sander | You can just bump up the size larger or smaller instead of the 5 or so choices that are in 3.4. I just grabbed the beta and it's one of the first things I noticed. |
| 19:28.25 | cbr | annma: lets hope they will have a look ;) |
| 19:28.28 | dystopianray | nice :) |
| 19:28.39 | annma | cbr: I am sure the maintainer will fix it |
| 19:29.56 | annma | stupid bug datatbase |
| 19:30.01 | annma | it created 3 reports |
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| 19:31.33 | sander | Unfortunately Konqueror 3.5 still doesn't work with google maps. :/ |
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| 19:32.21 | PhilRod | sander: did you identify as safari? |
| 19:32.45 | sander | No is that what I need to do? I just said load anyway, and it didn't work. |
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| 19:33.45 | PhilRod | try that - it works with some other google sites |
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| 19:38.58 | Theory | can anyone suggest a window decoration with really big close buttons? |
| 19:39.52 | BlueLotus | Why don't you just decrease your screen resolutions, Theory |
| 19:40.15 | Theory | BlueLotus: because my desire is not to make everything bigger, merely my [x] buttons |
| 19:40.49 | Theory | preferably say 50% of the titlebar |
| 19:40.57 | dystopianray | :s |
| 19:41.06 | BlueLotus | Theory, ahh. Did you try just picking themes using configure from you're "K"menu? |
| 19:41.10 | dystopianray | really longe close button? |
| 19:41.13 | PhilRod | I think you can customize the size with some windecos - try plastik and glow (one of them will, I think) |
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| 19:41.59 | _guest | anyone know how I can configure kmail for exchange access? |
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| 19:43.17 | SbCl3 | what program do the KSVG developers recommend? does everyone use Inkscape? |
| 19:43.22 | sander | _guest: I don't think you can configure it like Evolution, but you can set up imap. |
| 19:43.42 | _guest | does imap support calendars? |
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| 19:44.18 | bram85 | it seems |
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| 19:44.53 | sander | not very well as I recall. |
| 19:45.04 | PhilRod | ~artstr |
| 19:45.07 | apt | somebody said artstr was http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/sound.html |
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| 19:45.13 | _guest | what about addresses and notes? (just wondering cause evolution takes up extra space if built in componets do this... |
| 19:45.35 | cbr | with qt4 will it be possible to antialias graphs, etc better? |
| 19:46.43 | dystopianray | anyone know when the next commit digest will be? |
| 19:46.47 | annma | the painting system is all changed so I hope so |
| 19:46.55 | annma | cbr: I did not dig into it yet |
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| 19:47.24 | annma | SbCl3: KOffice also has Karbon14 which is in development |
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| 19:47.27 | Mr_700 | _guest: imap AFAIK has nothing to do with them. For address books you can use say ldap, for calendars - ical... I've never worked in windows environment so I have no idea about exchange. |
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| 19:47.46 | _guest | thanks just the same |
| 19:47.47 | annma | SbCl3: not there yet but coming along nicely |
| 19:47.49 | McCabe | anyone tried the kdmrc/preloadkde trick (exec find..) with success? |
| 19:48.01 | SbCl3 | yeah, inkscape still kind of pwns it |
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| 19:51.10 | Theory | glow is good |
| 19:51.19 | Theory | but ideally I'd like to only make it wide, not high as well |
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| 19:53.31 | PhilRod | Theory: oh I see. I don't know of a way to do that - you can have the close button on its own, with the others on (say) the left, if you want |
| 19:53.40 | PhilRod | there's an advanced option in control center |
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| 19:56.12 | Theory | I guess my simplest option may be to play with kwin so double clicking on the titlebar can act as close |
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| 19:58.31 | PhilRod | there's an option for the action on titlebar double-click, I think |
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| 19:59.03 | seekHim | PhilRod: Yes, that would be correct. Although most people have double click minimize/maximize/restore. |
| 19:59.11 | seekHim | aseigo: are we awake? |
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| 20:00.48 | Theory | PhilRod: yes, currently close isn't on the list |
| 20:00.51 | [pbC]Obst | hi |
| 20:04.23 | sander | seekHim: I think the brains behind kweahter has moved on to bigger and better things. |
| 20:04.56 | seekHim | sander: so kweather is no longer being developed? |
| 20:05.31 | bram85 | not actively, only maintaince commits are made to kweather |
| 20:06.08 | sander | I haven't noticed any changes as a user in at least a year or two. I think with Plasma all the applets will be rethought which is a good thing, since many have been in maintenance mode for a while now. |
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| 20:07.36 | seekHim | sander: *Hmmm.......* Guess I'll have to figure out for myself how to make it keep the weather current. |
| 20:08.30 | pinucset | one think, i use kubuntu. What must I write to sources.list because when I do update upgrade the kde upgrades to the last version (stable)? |
| 20:08.31 | sander | Superkaramba has a bunch of apps that do that, which is where plasma will get help I'm sure. |
| 20:09.45 | sander | It's not quite as nice as a little icon in the task bar, but... it was one area where gnome used to have a clear supremacy, but like most else in gnome they couldn't leave well enough alone. :) |
| 20:09.56 | cbr | most of the superkaramba scripts dont function properly :p |
| 20:10.31 | seekHim | sander: I kinda like the little icon in the taskbar. |
| 20:11.23 | sander | I do too, but I finally gave up on kweather since it has some issues (spacing, bad datasource) that made it not useful for me. |
| 20:12.05 | sander | If you use firefox as your browser you can use forceastfox which is almost as good as having it in kicker. |
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| 20:12.13 | seekHim | sander: as of this minute, kweather is four hours behind my current weather. I get a report for 10:00am local time, but it's 2:12 local time. |
| 20:12.52 | PhilRod | ~artstr |
| 20:12.54 | apt | somebody said artstr was http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/sound.html |
| 20:13.07 | bonzai10 | i use forecastfox =] |
| 20:13.09 | seekHim | ~kweather |
| 20:13.11 | apt | A KDE dock applet that can display the current weather outside.. URL: http://www.msoe.edu/~geiseri/projects.phtml?project=kweather |
| 20:13.37 | seekHim | apt: Thanks (yeah, I know it's a bot, but I'm gonna be polite anyway) :P |
| 20:13.37 | apt | seekHim: bitte |
| 20:13.53 | seekHim | apt: Dutch, perhaps, huh? |
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| 20:16.46 | seekHim | bah somebody needs to fix apt. |
| 20:17.53 | sander | seekHim: maybe kxdocker has something |
| 20:18.28 | seekHim | sander: Ok. As long as it'll work for 3.3. Link please? |
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| 20:19.37 | PhilRod | seekHim: what we really need is a bot owned by someone who's a regular here, so we can have settings that are useful for #kde |
| 20:19.45 | PhilRod | (apt is run by some freenode guy) |
| 20:20.25 | seekHim | PhilRod: I've got a few eggdrops kicking around. Who's in charge of the channel? |
| 20:21.35 | PhilRod | seekHim: well, technically it's njaard, but he hasn't been here for ages (years perhaps) and I'm an op |
| 20:22.11 | seekHim | PhilRod: Ok. An Eggdrop alright for you? (better be, cuz that's all I got) |
| 20:22.31 | frb-away | eggdrops are evil |
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| 20:22.55 | seekHim | frb-away: Well, unless you've got something else, and are willing to provide it, that's what's gonna be here. :P |
| 20:25.25 | seekHim | Now, if I could just find the docs and config files for kweather.... |
| 20:25.49 | PhilRod | frb-away: is that "evil I don't like them" or "evil they cause problems for the channel"? |
| 20:26.07 | frb-away | PhilRod: last time I used one they were about as secure as MS Windows |
| 20:27.11 | sander | seekHim: Liquid Weather http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=6384 and kxdocker plugin: http://homepages.comnet.co.nz/~matt-sarah/computer_hardware_downloads.html is the best I can offer |
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| 20:27.47 | seekHim | sander: Thanks. I'll have a look, and see if there's an rpm for my distro. |
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| 20:31.48 | vortec | hi, the kde menu editor is acting kinda weird here. i wanted to move the default menu setup into its own folder called "KDE" and create a few other categories i actually need. this is what came out, can somebody help me? http://volano.homelinux.org/kde_menu.png |
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| 21:16.51 | alexissoft | hi |
| 21:20.49 | pinotree | hello alexissoft |
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| 21:29.59 | Tomasu | I installed koffice last night, and all I get when starting is "Alarm Clock".. |
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| 21:37.48 | seekHim | Ok, here's a stupid question... What' |
| 21:38.12 | seekHim | what's the purpose of Karamba and Superkaramba? I don't see any real usefulness for them. |
| 21:38.25 | whirm | seekHim: eyecandy ^_^ |
| 21:38.48 | seekHim | whirm: Yeah, ok, but what exactly would I use it for? Is it a theme manager? |
| 21:39.02 | whirm | nope |
| 21:39.26 | whirm | is used to place applets in the desktop background |
| 21:39.42 | Sho_ | frb: have fun :) |
| 21:39.54 | seekHim | whirm: Oh, I see. So I'd use it to place a weather service somewhere on my desktop, then. |
| 21:40.04 | whirm | exact |
| 21:40.11 | frb | I want something like karamba, but does it like teh mac dashboard |
| 21:40.13 | whirm | or a logger |
| 21:40.28 | whirm | or hardware sensors, etc... |
| 21:40.48 | seekHim | whirm: Ok, now I gotcha :) |
| 21:40.55 | whirm | ok |
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| 21:42.57 | frb | [14:42] [nick] BAD Command unrecognized/login please: FRB |
| 21:43.03 | frb | what in the world does that mean? |
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| 21:51.01 | StevenR | The crypto plugin could not be initialised. Certificate Manager will terminate now. |
| 21:51.35 | StevenR | How do i stop that error appearing? I want to add a certificate so that my email works without prompting me every time |
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| 21:57.35 | frb | why can't I make the scrollwheel have >12line interval |
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| 22:04.02 | seekHim | *Hmmm.......* I thought I could import themes into kde's window decorations etc |
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| 22:04.21 | ballsaac | helloo |
| 22:04.35 | ballsaac | where can i find a helpchannel for starting kde? |
| 22:04.50 | seekHim | here? :P What's it not doing? |
| 22:05.02 | ballsaac | hi seekHim |
| 22:05.13 | seekHim | ballsaac: hewwo :) |
| 22:05.34 | ballsaac | i don't know if i'm at the right place but i just installed freebsd 5.4 release and startx startkde wont' work |
| 22:06.08 | seekHim | ahh. Doesn't start it at all? Does it try? |
| 22:06.49 | ballsaac | it gives me error |
| 22:06.56 | seekHim | Ok. What's the error? |
| 22:07.15 | ballsaac | i'm thinking i'm somewhere close to gettting to work but i google and find that it's $DISPLAY not assigned |
| 22:07.29 | ballsaac | but i've exported DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 |
| 22:07.34 | ballsaac | still |
| 22:07.34 | ballsaac | same |
| 22:07.38 | seekHim | ahh. |
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| 22:08.00 | seekHim | try startkde -display :0 |
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| 22:08.16 | ballsaac | startx give me error saying /usr/X11R6/bin is not in my path but it is and i chdir into there and can't find X or Xorg |
| 22:08.23 | ballsaac | kk |
| 22:08.24 | ballsaac | brb |
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| 22:10.40 | ballsaac | seekHim: it says 'xsetroot: unable to open display'localhost:0.0' |
| 22:10.56 | ballsaac | and xset says same thin |
| 22:10.57 | ballsaac | g |
| 22:11.04 | seekHim | ballsaac: Yep. I expected that. try this: X :0 |
| 22:11.12 | ballsaac | kwin: cannot connect to X server localhost:0.0 |
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| 22:11.50 | ballsaac | wat? |
| 22:11.57 | ballsaac | X:0 in place of 0.0 ? |
| 22:12.17 | seekHim | like this, ok? X :0 don't forget the space. |
| 22:12.36 | ballsaac | kk |
| 22:13.39 | seekHim | You *should* get an X server to start, unless XFree isn't configured. |
| 22:13.40 | ballsaac | i couldn't find at xf86config or xfreesetup or anything |
| 22:13.49 | ballsaac | X server is what i have |
| 22:14.04 | seekHim | Yep. FreeBSD you said, right? |
| 22:14.13 | ballsaac | yea |
| 22:14.23 | ballsaac | ok so i type in ... |
| 22:14.32 | ballsaac | hold on |
| 22:14.34 | frb | is there an editor much like kate, but with font attributes? |
| 22:14.49 | frb | somewhere in between the mammoth of OOo and kate |
| 22:15.06 | seekHim | frb: koffice, perhaps? |
| 22:15.40 | frb | so kWord? |
| 22:16.18 | ballsaac | seekHim: i put in startkde X :0 ?? |
| 22:16.27 | ballsaac | won't do it |
| 22:16.48 | benJIman | frb: i'm liking koffice more and more compared to OOo |
| 22:17.04 | benJIman | don't think kword does the autocompletion of words that I like in OOwriter though |
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| 22:17.41 | frb | ok, so my text doc had 4 char spaces |
| 22:17.44 | seekHim | ballsaac: No. Just X :0 |
| 22:17.50 | frb | how do I translate that into kword? |
| 22:18.00 | ballsaac | o |
| 22:18.19 | frb | I said 3.5cm tab stop, not 21cm |
| 22:18.44 | ballsaac | oh yea X is not in /usr/X11R6/bin |
| 22:18.44 | frb | every time I change the tab stop, they get bigger |
| 22:19.06 | ballsaac | so i'm confused as to why not i thot i have X server installed |
| 22:19.11 | ballsaac | Xorg is also not in there |
| 22:20.14 | ballsaac | seekHim u ther? |
| 22:20.35 | seekHim | ballsaac: may I suggest that you install XFree or XOrg? :P |
| 22:20.46 | ballsaac | ok |
| 22:20.49 | ballsaac | so... |
| 22:21.06 | ballsaac | how do i know if i don't have them installed? |
| 22:21.08 | frb | how odd, I think I say "1" and it gives me 2.21, so it's taking inches and making cm |
| 22:21.13 | ballsaac | there's x stuff in here also |
| 22:21.47 | seekHim | ballsaac: FreeBSD is outta my league, unfortunately. I don't know what it has for configuring X. |
| 22:22.24 | ballsaac | ok |
| 22:22.28 | ballsaac | brb |
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| 22:34.56 | Mohjive | where is trash:/ located in the filesystem? |
| 22:35.36 | whirm | look for .trash-$ANUMBER files and in ~/.local/share/Trash/ |
| 22:36.50 | Mohjive | the directories there are empty |
| 22:37.15 | Mohjive | although I can see files in the trash |
| 22:38.20 | Mohjive | and I know that there are files there because I deleted 2GB of data and the space isn't free yet |
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| 22:38.57 | whirm | what mount point? |
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| 22:46.43 | frb-work | why would the vpl editor window be blank in quanta? |
| 22:48.28 | frb-work | weird, anything in <body> not on another tag is blank |
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| 22:49.33 | StevenR | Why when I tell kmail to accept a certificate without prompting forever does it not do this? It asks me about the cert every time I check my mail, which is becoming increasingly frustrating |
| 22:50.05 | frb-work | wow, quanta just crashed, and took the kicker with it |
| 22:50.40 | Mohjive | whirm: / |
| 22:50.54 | whirm | Mohjive: ? |
| 22:51.07 | Mohjive | 00:38 < whirm> what mount point? |
| 22:51.54 | whirm | uh, ^_^ and home is in another filesystem I supose, right? |
| 22:54.00 | whirm | try something like: find / -iname ".trash*" |
| 22:55.11 | Mohjive | home is actually on same partition |
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| 22:57.02 | whirm | uh... |
| 22:57.19 | Frogbarf | how can I change the color of the kmenu transparency? It seems to be linked to the same color as the buttons which I don't want |
| 22:57.19 | whirm | and the find command found something not in mail dir? |
| 22:57.37 | Mohjive | it hasn't returned yet |
| 22:57.46 | chavo | Frogbarf, do you mean the kicker? |
| 22:58.02 | Frogbarf | yes |
| 22:58.31 | Frogbarf | the main kmenu |
| 22:59.11 | chavo | on the Appearance tab, hit the Advanced Options button |
| 22:59.16 | chavo | woops |
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| 23:00.19 | Frogbarf | it seems that with baghira at least if transparency is used on the kicker, that the color of the kicker becomes locked to the style |
| 23:00.34 | chavo | Frogbarf, on the Appearance tab, hit the Advanced Options button |
| 23:00.49 | chavo | you can chage it from there |
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| 23:06.16 | ballsaac | WOW |
| 23:06.21 | ballsaac | i got kde to work! |
| 23:07.09 | ballsaac | but i had to startx first |
| 23:07.16 | ballsaac | and then run startkde in X |
| 23:07.18 | ballsaac | why is that? |
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| 23:09.55 | real | put startx in .xinitrc |
| 23:10.02 | real | or use kdm or something like that |
| 23:10.05 | real | err, startkde in .xinitrc |
| 23:12.53 | StevenR | Why when I tell kmail to accept a certificate without prompting forever does it not do this? It asks me about the cert every time I check my mail, which is becoming increasingly frustrating |
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| 23:41.37 | fellly | does anybody know if there is a KDE IDE for Qt4 (project management ...) ? NOT Designer please :) |
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| 23:42.27 | thiago | fellly: KDevelop is being enhanced to support it |
| 23:43.13 | fellly | thiago: i'll use it when it's ready but i would love to find an alternative solution sooner :) |
| 23:45.14 | StevenR | Why when I tell kmail to accept a certificate without prompting forever does it not do this? It asks me about the cert every time I check my mail, which is becoming increasingly frustrating |
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| 23:46.16 | thiago | StevenR: which version? |
| 23:46.20 | thiago | that's an _old_ problem. |
| 23:46.26 | StevenR | 3.4.2 |
| 23:46.50 | StevenR | only started happening recently :S |
| 23:46.55 | StevenR | like today |
| 23:47.33 | StevenR | and akregators custom icons are gone too :S |
| 23:48.14 | StevenR | thiago: i dont understand why it's suddenly happening :S |
| 23:48.23 | thiago | something broke your config |
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| 23:48.39 | StevenR | thiago: i've changed nothing afaik |
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| 23:57.26 | StevenR | thiago: any suggestions on how to fix it? |
