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| 00:33.30 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 00:33.42 | Speedy2 | su on my system is slightly borked, and therefore kdesu is also borked |
| 00:33.47 | Speedy2 | Anything I can do to bypass kdesu? |
| 00:37.21 | frb-work | sudo |
| 00:39.33 | Speedy2 | frb-work: I added $wheel to the sudoers file, but sudo itself gives me an error |
| 00:39.50 | frb-work | you didn't use visudo did you? |
| 00:40.19 | Speedy2 | I did |
| 00:40.36 | frb-work | I would say go to a real console, login as root, and fix it |
| 00:40.44 | Speedy2 | under user privlidges I added |
| 00:40.46 | Speedy2 | %wheel ALL = (ALL) ALL |
| 00:40.57 | Speedy2 | frb-work: the root account works, so I can fix things as root, no issue |
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| 00:42.17 | Speedy2 | frb-work: Well whatever, I added my user into the sudoers file and it now works |
| 00:42.37 | frb-work | suse comes with a already sane sudoers file |
| 00:43.12 | Speedy2 | frb-work: Sorry, I don't use suse |
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| 01:13.51 | Alethes | any idea why after changing from 1280x1024 to 1600x1200 everything seems just as big? |
| 01:13.57 | Alethes | and the fonts seem a little off? |
| 01:14.05 | Alethes | wait |
| 01:14.08 | Alethes | I just realized why I think |
| 01:17.38 | Speedy2 | Alethes: X is bad about DPI |
| 01:17.51 | Alethes | what do I need to change? |
| 01:18.02 | Speedy2 | Alethes: Heh |
| 01:18.12 | Speedy2 | Alethes: What Linux distro? Are you using XFree86 or XOrg? |
| 01:18.15 | Alethes | (**) NVIDIA(0): Default mode "1600x1200": 229.5 MHz, 106.2 kHz, 85.0 Hz |
| 01:18.18 | Alethes | it's valid at least |
| 01:18.26 | Alethes | I'm using fbsd 4.9 |
| 01:18.33 | Alethes | so I'm still using XFree86 currently |
| 01:18.36 | Speedy2 | ok |
| 01:18.37 | Speedy2 | one sec |
| 01:19.27 | Speedy2 | Alethes: See this : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=257705&perpage=15&pagenumber=1 |
| 01:19.45 | Speedy2 | Alethes: You can ignore the parts you want, but how to change the DPI is useful |
| 01:19.50 | Speedy2 | Alethes: I use that |
| 01:19.59 | Alethes | checking |
| 01:21.07 | Alethes | [21:21 alethes@pennywise:~] xdpyinfo | grep resolution |
| 01:21.07 | Alethes | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.43 | Alethes | so, since that's not 96x96, that's why it's a little funky? |
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| 01:23.23 | Speedy2 | Alethes: Correct |
| 01:23.28 | Alethes | cool |
| 01:23.39 | Alethes | checking that DisplaySize option as well |
| 01:23.56 | Alethes | bah |
| 01:23.57 | Alethes | don't need it |
| 01:23.58 | Alethes | brb |
| 01:24.11 | Speedy2 | Alethes: I use the Tahoma font, from Windows. After following that, and tweaking my fonts.conf , fonts look the same as they do on Windows (which is good) |
| 01:24.18 | Alethes | cool |
| 01:24.28 | Alethes | hang on and we'll go through that too :D |
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| 01:24.33 | Alethes | my fonts look pretty good normally |
| 01:24.43 | Alethes | just since I tried to change to 1600x1200 it went funky |
| 01:24.44 | Alethes | brb |
| 01:24.55 | wig | I'm using Konsole and it keeps showing this: bash-3.00$ instead of "wig@darkstar" |
| 01:25.04 | wig | i was wondeirng how i could get it to default to wig@darkstar |
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| 01:25.55 | Alethes | whew |
| 01:26.06 | Alethes | I think my refresh rate is a little slow now |
| 01:26.07 | Alethes | hang on |
| 01:26.20 | Alethes | nope |
| 01:26.21 | Alethes | it's all good |
| 01:26.27 | Alethes | it's just me needing glasses :D |
| 01:27.23 | Alethes | hmmm, it still doesn't seem like it's as much space as I remember having for windows in 1600x1200 years ago |
| 01:27.27 | Alethes | but it's been quite a while |
| 01:27.37 | motoom_ | wig: You have to find out which startup files is/are processed by Konsole |
| 01:28.11 | motoom_ | wig: Try ~/.bashrc |
| 01:28.19 | motoom_ | PS1="\n\e[1m\u \w \$\e[0m " |
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| 01:29.09 | motoom_ | luyt ~ $ xdpyinfo | grep -i resolut |
| 01:29.09 | motoom_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.17 | motoom_ | Hmmm, 85x86 DPI? |
| 01:29.31 | wig | yeah, had to start up in real, not terminal |
| 01:30.04 | wig | how do i make it stop saying "bash" and go back to "wig@darkstar" which does the colored ls automatically? |
| 01:30.18 | motoom_ | wig: I put an echo like this in every shell startup file: echo Processing ~/.XYZrc (substitute XYZ for the name of the RC file) |
| 01:30.42 | motoom_ | That way I know exactly which RC files are executed in which order, by which shells. |
| 01:31.08 | motoom_ | wig: You have to set your PS1 variable in .bashrc |
| 01:31.38 | wig | motoon, i don't seem to have a .bashrc ...o_ |
| 01:31.46 | motoom_ | Create it then. |
| 01:31.57 | motoom_ | Doesn't 'ls -al' list it? |
| 01:32.12 | wig | nope. |
| 01:32.14 | motoom_ | The file .bashrc starts with a dot, thus is hidden |
| 01:32.23 | wig | I know |
| 01:32.29 | wig | It's not there, :-P |
| 01:32.32 | motoom_ | Okay, use your fav text editor to create it, and see if it gets executed |
| 01:32.47 | wig | should i just leave it blank? |
| 01:32.58 | motoom_ | luyt ~ $ cat .bashrc |
| 01:32.58 | motoom_ | echo Processing ~/.bashrc |
| 01:32.59 | motoom_ | PS1="\n\e[1m\u \w \$\e[0m " |
| 01:32.59 | motoom_ | export LSCOLORS=cx |
| 01:33.10 | motoom_ | That's my .bashrc |
| 01:33.25 | motoom_ | Put in the echo line, so that you are sure that it gets executed |
| 01:33.41 | wig | what's that first line? |
| 01:34.03 | motoom_ | The one starting with luyt, echo, PS1 or export? |
| 01:34.16 | wig | luyt |
| 01:34.55 | motoom_ | 'luyt' is my user name on this machine, ~ is the current directory, $ is the non-privileged command prompt, and 'cat .bashrc' was the command I entered to display the contents of the .bashrc file |
| 01:35.06 | wig | ahh |
| 01:35.15 | motoom_ | So this line starting with 'luyt' does not go into the .bashrc file. |
| 01:36.09 | wig | still doesn't show colors? only when i su - wig it does |
| 01:36.18 | motoom_ | Aha! |
| 01:36.18 | wig | isn't there some alias thing to be done with ls? |
| 01:36.24 | wig | what? lol |
| 01:36.37 | motoom_ | Look into root's home directory for a .bashrc file, and study that |
| 01:36.42 | wig | all right |
| 01:36.56 | motoom_ | ehhhh, or in 'wig' home directory |
| 01:36.59 | wig | that one doesn't exist either, haha |
| 01:37.08 | HilBilly | better yet .. look in /etc/skel for a sample |
| 01:37.27 | wig | no there hilbilly |
| 01:37.31 | motoom_ | luyt ~ $ locate .bashrc |
| 01:37.31 | motoom_ | /usr/compat/linux/etc/skel/.bashrc |
| 01:38.03 | motoom_ | ...that file is very boring on my system... |
| 01:38.15 | HilBilly | you should make an /etc/skel directory with all of the scripts for new users |
| 01:38.16 | Alethes | Speedy2: how do you configure your fonts.conf? |
| 01:39.08 | wig | what should i do to get colors, or to start it regularly like i was doing "su - wig"? |
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| 01:39.39 | motoom_ | In .bashrc: alias ll="ls -lAFG" |
| 01:39.56 | motoom_ | then use 'll' to list files |
| 01:40.04 | motoom_ | those are two lowercase els |
| 01:40.35 | wig | that doesn't allow for the colors though? |
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| 01:40.50 | motoom_ | BTW bash only reads it .bashrc when it starts, so you'd have to open a new bash window after each edit |
| 01:41.05 | wig | yeah |
| 01:41.20 | motoom_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.20 | motoom_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.23 | motoom_ | man ls |
| 01:42.03 | wig | i did what you said, however, no colors showed up. it seems only when i do "su - wig" do i get colors |
| 01:42.37 | motoom_ | Oh.... Then I'm out of suggestions. Maybe it has to do with some terminal emulation settings who are not right. |
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| 01:44.54 | wig | motoom_, k, i got it :-P |
| 01:45.01 | motoom_ | How? |
| 01:45.14 | wig | alias ls="ls --color" |
| 01:45.25 | motoom_ | Aha! |
| 01:45.30 | wig | i remembered "--color" switch added color, and just used it with the alias you showed :-P |
| 01:45.47 | motoom_ | That switch doesnt work on my BSD system ;-) |
| 01:45.50 | wig | ahh |
| 01:45.57 | wig | does your bsd have fortune? |
| 01:46.02 | wig | 'cause now i don't get the funny quotes :-P |
| 01:46.04 | motoom_ | Is that a game? |
| 01:46.07 | wig | i have to do su - wig lol |
| 01:46.13 | wig | it's like quotes in the slackware system |
| 01:46.26 | motoom_ | Oh, you mean the fortune cookies. Yeah, I haven't removed it yet |
| 01:46.42 | wig | i love them, so i gotta figure out a way to get them running, lol |
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| 01:47.20 | motoom_ | luyt@Deschutes /home/luyt % fortune |
| 01:47.20 | motoom_ | Experience is what causes a person to make new mistakes instead of old ones. |
| 01:48.01 | wig | Old soldiers never die. Young ones do. |
| 01:48.02 | wig | owned |
| 01:48.03 | motoom_ | That fortune cookie is not quite accurate |
| 01:48.22 | motoom_ | It should read: 'Experience is what causes a person to avoid old mistakes' |
| 01:48.47 | wig | eh, it's funny |
| 01:49.04 | motoom_ | 'Amor' is funny ;-) |
| 01:49.24 | Alethes | konq needs a view-source handler |
| 01:49.32 | Alethes | like moz uses |
| 01:49.38 | motoom_ | Alethes: I use kwrite for that |
| 01:49.56 | Alethes | motoom_: how do you change it to use kwrite instead of kate for just viewing source? |
| 01:50.09 | benJIman` | it uses kwrite by default I think |
| 01:50.16 | motoom_ | Good question. I will investigate |
| 01:50.28 | benJIman` | it'll go by your text accociation probably |
| 01:50.28 | Alethes | 'cause I'm usually working in kate and when I go to view source, it opens another tab in kate then moves kate to the current desktop, which is annoying |
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| 01:51.35 | motoom_ | File associations, text/plain points to KWrite, Kate, Emacs on my konq |
| 01:51.47 | wig | yay motoom_ got that one |
| 01:51.49 | motoom_ | I will now move Emacs to top! |
| 01:51.49 | benJIman | it opens in kwrite here anyway |
| 01:52.19 | motoom_ | LOL, and sure, now View Source opens the html source in emacs |
| 01:52.21 | Alethes | motoom_: if you change that setting, it affects every plain-text file though |
| 01:52.28 | motoom_ | Yep. |
| 01:52.36 | Alethes | I just want it to only open ikwrite for "view document source" |
| 01:52.39 | Alethes | kwrite |
| 01:52.57 | motoom_ | It seems like the view-source handler uses the same handler as text/plain like benjamin suggested |
| 01:53.21 | Alethes | I may switch to kwrite as my default text file viewer anyway |
| 01:53.26 | Alethes | I usually open kate separately |
| 01:53.38 | motoom_ | I never use Kate, not yet |
| 01:53.55 | Alethes | I use kate just about all the time |
| 01:54.03 | motoom_ | There are some features of UltraEdit which I miss in Kwrite and kate |
| 01:54.13 | wig | ultraedit owns |
| 01:54.22 | motoom_ | Like being able to launch a command with the filename under edit |
| 01:54.43 | motoom_ | So I could write a PHP script in KWrite and execute it with a single keystroke |
| 01:55.13 | motoom_ | Or maybe this feature exist in KWrite or Kate, but I'm not able to find it. |
| 01:55.39 | motoom_ | A good editor is a man's best friend. |
| 01:56.38 | Alethes | kate with fish is an excellent web dev tool |
| 01:56.50 | benJIman | quanta+ with fish is great too |
| 01:57.08 | Alethes | quanta is pretty cluttered for my taste |
| 01:57.13 | Alethes | kde is too for that matter :) |
| 01:57.22 | benJIman | you can turn off all the extra toolbars if you don't want them |
| 01:57.29 | Alethes | then I might as well use kate :) |
| 01:57.52 | benJIman | no because quanta has code completion and syntax correction and things |
| 01:58.08 | Alethes | that's true |
| 01:58.10 | Alethes | hmmm |
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| 01:58.29 | motoom_ | I do not like editor who try to correct me. They remind me of Word |
| 01:58.55 | benJIman | it doesn't if you don't ask it to |
| 01:59.21 | motoom_ | Good. |
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| 02:01.53 | anisX | Alethes : quanta is like a dreamweaver and frontpage right ? |
| 02:01.58 | Alethes | don't think so |
| 02:02.10 | anisX | oh. |
| 02:02.19 | anisX | i thought quanta is html editor |
| 02:03.25 | johnny69 | I thought some folks here might be interested in reading this: http://www.betanews.com/article/AntiMS_Group_Aims_to_Block_Vista/1123614377 |
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| 02:08.07 | motoom_ | I tried Vista, and it is Evil. |
| 02:08.56 | HilBilly | all m$ is evil |
| 02:09.08 | HilBilly | they are in the world domination business after all |
| 02:09.26 | benJIman | johnny69: lol saw that a long time ago, there are laywers, american laywers, and american republican laywers like this guy |
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| 02:10.07 | CellarDoor | hello, anyone about ? |
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| 02:12.48 | grepper | many people, but they are waiting for a real question, not that one |
| 02:13.14 | CellarDoor | ok, nevermind, I think I've figured it out meself :p |
| 02:14.11 | frb-work | what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? |
| 02:14.16 | motoom_ | HilBilly: Vista is evil because it embodies creeping DRM stuff, which in the end means that you cannot do with your PC things that MS doesn't want you to do. |
| 02:14.31 | motoom_ | frb-work: Is that an African or an European swallow? |
| 02:14.44 | CellarDoor | I have translucency working |
| 02:14.46 | CellarDoor | woo |
| 02:15.06 | HilBilly | true .. just ONE of the reasons I don't use microsoft |
| 02:15.19 | frb-work | I wonder what would happen if I enabled the composite extention on q NEOMAGIC |
| 02:15.44 | CellarDoor | neomagic ? |
| 02:15.56 | frb-work | laptop chipset from about 5 years ago |
| 02:16.06 | CellarDoor | ah rite |
| 02:16.09 | frb-work | this thing is slow if I do 24bpp |
| 02:16.41 | motoom_ | Microsoft will introduce the 'Secure PC' (along with a cartel of hardware manufacturers, bribed by MS), which will disallow running any software which is not approved by, and digitally signed, by microsoft. |
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| 02:17.10 | motoom_ | So called for the security of the average consumer, to protect him/her from viruses and spam |
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| 02:17.26 | robert_ | ack |
| 02:17.26 | motoom_ | But in reality to enforce certain usage upon all consumers |
| 02:17.27 | frb-work | MS sounds like the US government to me |
| 02:17.35 | robert_ | I was wondering why kde didn't come up |
| 02:17.35 | robert_ | meh |
| 02:17.45 | robert_ | is there a peerguardian interface for kde or something/ |
| 02:18.20 | motoom_ | frb-work: On a secure PC, you won't be able to run anything other that Microsofts latest version of Windows. |
| 02:18.31 | frb-work | motoom_: that's what they think |
| 02:18.40 | frb-work | they said that about the xbox too |
| 02:18.56 | motoom_ | The motherboard will contain a security chip which will reboot the PC if it hasn't got a security clearance from the Internet within 2 minutes after boot. |
| 02:19.10 | frb-work | that is moronic |
| 02:19.17 | frb-work | what if I'm on a laptop in an airplane? |
| 02:19.27 | motoom_ | Microsoft works with the government to legally make disabling this security chip illegal |
| 02:19.33 | motoom_ | under the DMCA |
| 02:20.05 | frb-work | what if my dsl line is broken? how can I fix it if it won't boot? |
| 02:20.11 | motoom_ | Indeed |
| 02:20.37 | frb-work | someone will make a non secure pc, and will sell many |
| 02:20.50 | motoom_ | Well maybe you'd be able to boot from a security-enhanced DVD or something like that |
| 02:21.05 | motoom_ | frb-work: But Windows will not run on non-secure PC's |
| 02:21.30 | motoom_ | And many people HAVE to use Windows because everyone else uses them, and they have to be able to read Office documents and such. |
| 02:22.15 | motoom_ | So I foresee that many people will own two PC's in the future: One on which you can do what you want, and one on which you can do what Microsoft allows. |
| 02:23.06 | motoom_ | But because of the Microsoft infiltration in the hardware manufacturers, 'non-secure' PC's will become harder and harder to get |
| 02:23.43 | motoom_ | The goal of MS is of course to wipe these PC's (which will run non-MS software) from the market |
| 02:25.36 | motoom_ | But it will go gradually. First, they will sneak in the 'Secure Audio Path' into common consumer audio cards. It's already in XP, and more pervasive in Vista, and there will be a moment that Windows will not allow you to install non-authenticated drivers for certain audio cards |
| 02:25.42 | frb-work | they will fail |
| 02:25.48 | motoom_ | I hope so! |
| 02:25.56 | frb-work | they haven't killed linux yet |
| 02:26.01 | frb-work | they haven't killed mac yet |
| 02:26.20 | frb-work | there will always be someone making hardware that will work with anything |
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| 02:26.38 | frb-work | especially with Novell and Red hat being such large playas |
| 02:26.40 | motoom_ | The MS-led cartel of hardware manifacturers nearly succeeded with sneaking DRM into the SATA harddisk standard, but only because of the alertness of some EFF figures |
| 02:27.19 | CellarDoor | the hardware manufacurers aren't as cooperative with microsoft as you suggest |
| 02:27.50 | frb-work | now that intel goes both ways, they will have even bigger problems |
| 02:27.53 | motoom_ | I might be a bit pessimistic about this, yes. |
| 02:28.02 | CellarDoor | its called FUD |
| 02:28.11 | motoom_ | I hope OSX gets 50% market share |
| 02:28.37 | motoom_ | BTW, Apple is putting DRM stuff into their computers too. They're on the same bandwagon |
| 02:28.40 | frb-work | as long as they don't charge for service paacks, they have a chance |
| 02:28.48 | frb-work | apple threatened to, but they aren't |
| 02:29.03 | frb-work | macosx x86 has been known to run on generic PCs, and in vmware |
| 02:29.22 | motoom_ | Well, I tried the Apple media player, but it refused to play any of my MPEGs |
| 02:29.22 | CellarDoor | gtg |
| 02:29.22 | chrisag | So far. |
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| 02:29.33 | chrisag | That's not the final product ;) |
| 02:30.20 | frb-work | anyway, they were going to put the drm in macosx, but the hardware could run anything |
| 02:30.46 | motoom_ | There are even people running BSD and Linux on apple machines |
| 02:31.01 | motoom_ | I managed to install NetBSD on an old iMAC |
| 02:31.20 | chrisag | motoom: It was about Mac OS X being installed on only apple hardware not vice versa. |
| 02:31.35 | chrisag | They could care less what else you put on it as long as you bought their hardware ;) |
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| 02:32.10 | motoom_ | chrisag: Yep, I've also seen a movie with an ordinary PC booting OSX... |
| 02:32.36 | chrisag | motoom: Yes it's a development version. |
| 02:32.41 | chrisag | For developers. |
| 02:32.46 | motoom_ | I tried OpenDarwin on a PC, and it's very apple-like, of course it was missing Aqua and stuff |
| 02:32.48 | chrisag | It is NOT finished. |
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| 02:34.17 | motoom_ | Microsoft makes me fysically nauseous, especially that bald fat man (the CEO?) when he jumps around like a big ape on a stage, announcing some new Windows feature or whatnot |
| 02:34.37 | benJIman | balmer |
| 02:34.42 | motoom_ | That guy |
| 02:34.51 | benJIman | developers developers developers |
| 02:35.24 | chrisag | Stever Balmer? |
| 02:35.34 | chrisag | -r |
| 02:35.41 | motoom_ | Stever Balme? |
| 02:49.53 | frb-work | I haven't personally paid for any ms software in a very long time |
| 02:49.57 | frb-work | 10 years in fact |
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| 03:00.20 | dwango | is there a way that i can find out why the kded media manger won't start (verbose mode or something)? |
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| 03:23.29 | Speedy2 | I have a program that's using wxWindows |
| 03:23.38 | Speedy2 | The font sizing and everything is way off -- is it bound to gtk1 ? |
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| 03:26.34 | frb-work | in kate, how can I insert a carriage return as the the replacement text? |
| 03:26.39 | frb-work | or a new line |
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| 03:36.07 | Andrew`` | Hi all |
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| 03:36.23 | Andrew`` | can anyone help me regarding dialup?? |
| 03:36.39 | Andrew`` | am on adsl at the moment but am moving and adsl might not be available there |
| 03:38.12 | Alethes | this should help |
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| 03:38.39 | Alethes | Andrew``: wvdial is the easiest way I can think of, actually |
| 03:38.44 | Alethes | it's pretty easy to use and get working |
| 03:39.56 | Andrew`` | do I have to download it or is it available with suse 9.3? |
| 03:40.14 | Alethes | probably available, 'cause suse actually added some new options to it |
| 03:40.29 | frb-work | suse9.3 packages everything useful |
| 03:40.36 | Andrew`` | --> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.54.0 |
| 03:40.36 | frb-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.36 | Alethes | when I used suse several years ago, it was available, I believe |
| 03:40.36 | Andrew`` | --> Cannot open /dev/modem: Device or resource busy |
| 03:40.41 | frb-work | it's there :) |
| 03:40.59 | Alethes | you need to run wvdialconf |
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| 03:41.37 | Andrew`` | ok says I need a configfilename |
| 03:41.50 | Alethes | use wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf |
| 03:42.40 | Andrew`` | Sorry, no modem was detected! Is it in use by another program? |
| 03:42.40 | Andrew`` | Did you configure it properly with setserial? |
| 03:42.49 | Andrew`` | I dont know what modem I have |
| 03:43.06 | Alethes | might wanna find out |
| 03:43.07 | Alethes | :) |
| 03:43.12 | Alethes | you might have a winmodem |
| 03:43.16 | Alethes | which is kinda useless |
| 03:43.23 | Andrew`` | bugger |
| 03:43.31 | Andrew`` | how do I find out? |
| 03:43.35 | Andrew`` | open the box? |
| 03:43.35 | frb-work | windmodems aren't useless |
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| 03:43.53 | frb-work | run yast2 modem |
| 03:44.05 | johnny69 | IS there an ftp server specifically with KDe in mind ? |
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| 03:44.35 | Andrew`` | ok it says other (not detected) |
| 03:44.46 | frb-work | in both boxes? |
| 03:45.06 | Andrew`` | in the top one.. the bottom has nothing |
| 03:45.23 | frb-work | then your modem isn't recognized by linux without an external driver |
| 03:45.39 | Andrew`` | ok.. how do I probe the modem and find out chipset? |
| 03:45.43 | frb-work | try using /sbin/lspci |
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| 03:46.43 | Andrew`` | Conexant HSF 56k HSFi Modem (rev 01) |
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| 03:46.51 | frb-work | now, use google :) |
| 03:46.55 | Andrew`` | ok cool |
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| 03:50.55 | Farseer` | hmm, anyone here can tell me if there is a feature just like before which can enlarge the icon in the pannel while the mouse is hover on it? |
| 03:51.19 | Farseer` | I am using 3.4.2 |
| 03:51.34 | Farseer` | I've tried many options, But doesn't seem to work |
| 03:51.37 | capgadget | LOL kmag maybe, but that is probably not what you want. |
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| 03:52.25 | Farseer` | capgadget: No, Not kmag, It worked before I upgrade my Debian today. :-P |
| 03:53.12 | capgadget | Don't know. I'm usually on icewm. Only go to kde for serious stuff. |
| 03:54.02 | Farseer` | hmm, anyone here else would help? |
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| 03:59.51 | canllaith | Farseer`: It has been removed. |
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| 04:00.24 | canllaith | Farseer`: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2567558 |
| 04:01.03 | Farseer` | canllaith: thanks. |
| 04:02.48 | Farseer` | in fact, I think, If the both new visual effect and the old one all existed maybe a cool thing. :-) |
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| 04:04.31 | canllaith | unfortunately the old one had some bugs in it's implementation that don't show up for users under very generic settings |
| 04:04.49 | canllaith | but posed usability problems for people using touchscreens or a stylus or other funny setups like that |
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| 04:09.22 | Farseer` | canllaith: thanks for your explanation. |
| 04:09.33 | Farseer` | g2g bye all. :-) |
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| 04:23.31 | ZombieLover | hey guys |
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| 04:29.43 | xomp | could someone assist with this error -> http://pastebin.com/352517 |
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| 04:29.56 | ZombieLover | whats going around here |
| 04:30.25 | xomp | this is a fresh install of slackware 10.1 and I'm running whatever version comes with this version, I have no idea why I'm crashing nearly everytime I try to do anything. |
| 04:31.01 | xomp | all I tried doing was open a webpage in a new tab. |
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| 04:35.39 | opiated | hi. I am having trouble getting sound to work on a user, it works under root. I did add the user account to the audio group, but I still get the message about sound server not initialized not enough permissions. what other groups do I need to add the user to? or is there something else I need to do? |
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| 04:54.56 | eckXsz | hello |
| 04:55.05 | eckXsz | how do i use the kde session manager? |
| 04:55.14 | eckXsz | as in, boot up with kde? |
| 04:55.25 | frb | that depends on your distro |
| 04:55.29 | eckXsz | gentoo |
| 04:55.35 | frb | no clue at all |
| 04:56.01 | eckXsz | anyone? |
| 04:56.01 | frb | maybe #gentoo would be better |
| 04:56.05 | avuton | eckXsz: /etc/init.d/xdm start if rc.conf is set correctly |
| 04:56.21 | avuton | http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/514134/ |
| 04:56.24 | eckXsz | avuton: ive tried that |
| 04:56.33 | eckXsz | it gives me some crappy looking screen |
| 04:56.37 | eckXsz | and tells me about widgets |
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| 04:57.08 | eckXsz | what do you suggest for rc.conf? |
| 04:57.25 | avuton | eckXsz: DISPLAYMANAGER="kdm" |
| 04:57.35 | eckXsz | i see |
| 04:58.27 | eckXsz | should i use XSESSION? |
| 04:59.45 | eckXsz | ? |
| 05:00.48 | eckXsz | avuton: are you there? |
| 05:01.25 | avuton | eckXsz: not if you want to use kdm |
| 05:01.34 | eckXsz | ok |
| 05:01.47 | eckXsz | thanks avuton |
| 05:02.00 | avuton | n/p |
| 05:02.48 | eckXsz | i should add xdm to rc right? |
| 05:03.02 | avuton | rc-update add xdm default |
| 05:03.05 | eckXsz | yea |
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| 06:02.47 | firephoto | hey my right click menu in akregator has a different order on two seperate installs (x86 and amd64). would this be some compile time bug or a option or..? |
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| 06:16.06 | firephoto | ok.... deleted some akregator files and the menu order is correct again. sorry for the noise. ;) |
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| 06:30.11 | jeh | the new TUX magazine issue is good |
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| 06:31.14 | apokryphos | jeh: the awards bit is ok (interesting), but I didn't find it that interesting this time round. |
| 06:31.31 | jeh | i liked the digikam thing |
| 06:31.52 | apokryphos | digiKam is nice, yeah. |
| 06:32.12 | jeh | we have some homegrown photo management that does all the needed handling except touchup of the images |
| 06:32.25 | jeh | the gimp is too hard to use for that |
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| 06:33.29 | apokryphos | Found the fact that [K]ubuntu got highest-rated pretty funny, considering KDE won best DE by 3:! |
| 06:33.34 | apokryphos | * 3:1 |
| 06:33.45 | apokryphos | Also odd that KWrite came in higher than Kate :/ |
| 06:34.26 | jeh | for simple editing i prefer kwrite |
| 06:34.30 | jeh | faster and less "in the way" |
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| 06:34.50 | jeh | developers maybe use kdevelop? |
| 06:35.13 | apokryphos | Kate loads faster here, has better options, and is more featureful. Not sure what you mean by "in the way", of course. =) |
| 06:36.41 | jeh | i meant that for normal quick editing of files kwrite has all the needed features. project management etc are just in the way |
| 06:37.09 | jeh | but for a larger project where i'd work for hours/days/months i'd take kate too |
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| 06:42.04 | kendhome | word |
| 06:42.22 | kendhome | new TUX is out :) |
| 06:42.34 | kendhome | i need to read the digikam and inkscape ones |
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| 06:45.40 | monster | Is sourceforge work correctly. It doesn't load or load partly :( |
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| 06:50.42 | canllaith | kendhome: yes you do, especially the digikam one ;) |
| 06:50.52 | kendhome | heheehe ;) |
| 06:51.00 | monster | Is sourceforge work correctly?. It doesn't load or load partly :( |
| 06:51.02 | canllaith | Tell me what you tink of it |
| 06:51.05 | kendhome | the ed rewrote a bunch of the beginning of our google toolbar one |
| 06:51.08 | kendhome | will do :) |
| 06:52.13 | canllaith | Yeah, the first one I submitted they rewrote a little at the beginning |
| 06:52.19 | canllaith | this one they added some extra stuff about aspect ratios |
| 06:52.29 | canllaith | I guess I'm not quite used to writing newbie stuff yet. |
| 06:52.49 | kendhome | heh |
| 06:52.51 | kendhome | goddamnit |
| 06:52.56 | kendhome | how does one bring up color swatches in inkscape? |
| 06:53.03 | kendhome | my wife was asking me the other day, and i don't use it so i don't know |
| 06:53.10 | kendhome | but i'm seeing pictures of it in screenshots :) |
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| 06:53.20 | kendhome | and in one, the title of the window includes "(Shift+Ctrl+W)" |
| 06:53.26 | kendhome | however, that brings up my BasKet >:^P |
| 06:53.42 | canllaith | I have no idea. I've never used it. |
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| 06:54.16 | kendhome | heh |
| 06:54.33 | kendhome | shit... i turned of C+S+W as a shortcut in BasKet, and now it closes the window :^P |
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| 07:54.37 | pchan | hi, where can I find the "Trash" via command line? |
| 07:55.29 | jeh | pchan: try ~/Desktop/Trash |
| 07:55.43 | pchan | not there. |
| 07:55.52 | pchan | the "Trash" on the desktop is only a link |
| 07:55.57 | pchan | "trash.desktop" |
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| 07:58.08 | canllaith | pchan: ~/.local |
| 07:58.30 | canllaith | The files you delete end up in ~/.local/share/Trash/files |
| 07:58.44 | canllaith | and metadata about them (where they came from, what date, etc) is stored in ~/.local/share/Trash/info |
| 07:58.49 | pchan | ah, perfect. thank you canllaith :) |
| 07:58.53 | canllaith | You're welcome :) |
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| 07:59.26 | jeh | maybe my ~/Desktop/Trash/ dir is some remnant from the old gnome stuff? |
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| 07:59.41 | canllaith | What version of KDE do you use jeh ? |
| 07:59.47 | jeh | canllaith: 3.4.2 |
| 08:00.02 | canllaith | It is probably that it is a remnant from a KDE 3.x version I suspect. |
| 08:00.06 | jeh | but i used some gnome for a few days before i got kde installed |
| 08:00.14 | canllaith | or indeed gnome. |
| 08:00.33 | jeh | that could be too, there was an old kde installed too (fc3) |
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| 08:20.30 | PhilRod | canllaith: I have some ideas of things to write as FAQs. Do you have any pending patches that I should try not to conflict with? |
| 08:21.27 | canllaith | crap probably. I am completely busy for the next 3 days trying to meet a deadline though |
| 08:22.04 | canllaith | You could be a good boy and email them to faq@k.o like the page says =p |
| 08:22.12 | canllaith | or you could just commit, my little rant didn't apply to you and lauri |
| 08:22.12 | PhilRod | sure |
| 08:22.47 | canllaith | Either or. If you email them I'll have them in within a week. I lack inspiration for the faq more than time at the moment. |
| 08:23.00 | canllaith | well, except the next couple days ;) but that's my own fault really. |
| 08:23.29 | PhilRod | actually, I'll commit - don't want to miss the string freeze |
| 08:23.48 | PhilRod | if you have patches that you don't have time to finish before the freeze, send 'em along to the list and we'll sort it out |
| 08:24.19 | canllaith | No problem. Shit yes I think my day to submit this article is the day of the string freeze heh |
| 08:24.28 | canllaith | so I'll have to feed my own stuff through you and lauri anyway. |
| 08:24.38 | PhilRod | that's fine |
| 08:24.42 | canllaith | ARGH why does KDE always have bloody string freeze when I'm hell busy and not a week I'm doing nothing? :P |
| 08:24.51 | canllaith | This is the third time now, I'd swear it was on purpose |
| 08:24.51 | pinotree | eheh |
| 08:24.52 | canllaith | ;) |
| 08:25.13 | PhilRod | coolo has an algorithm to decide when people will be busiest :-) |
| 08:25.20 | pinotree | rotfl |
| 08:25.29 | canllaith | That's right last time I was at brucehoult's place visiting until the day before string freeze |
| 08:25.35 | PhilRod | canllaith: but send patches to the list - lauri can't get at her email at the moment |
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| 08:25.40 | canllaith | PhilRod: sure will. |
| 08:25.57 | PhilRod | pinotree: no you're not - you're sitting right next to me and I can see :-) |
| 08:26.09 | pinotree | ups... |
| 08:26.19 | canllaith | heh |
| 08:26.26 | canllaith | so how are you enjoying aKademy PhilRod ? |
| 08:26.34 | PhilRod | it rocks |
| 08:26.56 | PhilRod | and like last year, there are too many cool people with too many cool ideas to have time to do it all |
| 08:27.07 | PhilRod | we've been mostly working on technical stuff |
| 08:27.29 | PhilRod | I'm going to write up a mini-report to the list to say what we're working on, since we'll need more people |
| 08:27.45 | canllaith | That also interests me. Somewhere on my little notepaper is a list where 'learn how to do pdf stuff' and 'learn how xml works' ... |
| 08:27.46 | PhilRod | but we have basics of lots of things in place |
| 08:28.04 | PhilRod | heh, if you do either of those, you'll have to teach me :-D |
| 08:28.11 | canllaith | hahaha |
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| 08:30.45 | PhilRod | jeh: you there? |
| 08:30.53 | jeh | yes |
| 08:31.26 | PhilRod | are you still interested in getting involved with KDE? |
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| 08:31.43 | malvo1 | So I've been on Gnome a few days and I must say, it's simply wonderful |
| 08:32.02 | jeh | PhilRod: yes |
| 08:32.03 | canllaith | troll elsewhere please. |
| 08:32.49 | PhilRod | jeh: I'm spending today taking the day off from my main docs task to do other stuff, so I can chase up app developers and people for you |
| 08:33.40 | PhilRod | jeh: like I said before, there are loads of ways to help - coding, docs, artwork, translation, promo, usability, ... |
| 08:33.49 | PhilRod | is there any particular one you're interested in? |
| 08:34.01 | jeh | PhilRod: ah, no need to do that. i'm not shy and can get in touch with people when needed |
| 08:34.03 | malvo1 | you forgot debugging |
| 08:34.16 | PhilRod | malvo1: that's coding |
| 08:34.17 | canllaith | bugs triage! |
| 08:34.29 | canllaith | Marking duplicates, trying to reproduce them |
| 08:34.34 | canllaith | and if you are a coder possibly submitting patches to fix them |
| 08:34.39 | jeh | coders develop bugs the debuggers de-develop |
| 08:34.43 | canllaith | fixing bugs is very cool. |
| 08:34.56 | pinotree | canllaith: depends on the POV... |
| 08:35.07 | canllaith | pinotree: I think it's cool! ;) |
| 08:35.20 | canllaith | PhilRod: there is a page somewhere on all the variables you can use in .desktop files and I have this feeling you know where it is |
| 08:35.21 | malvo1 | you know what someone should make? pair-programming software |
| 08:35.24 | canllaith | like %u and %f etc |
| 08:35.27 | canllaith | ? |
| 08:35.37 | pinotree | canllaith: on freedesktop.org iirc |
| 08:35.44 | jeh | yes |
| 08:35.55 | pinotree | because .desktop files are part of fd.o |
| 08:36.09 | PhilRod | jeh: cool - a quick way to get started is to go to bugs.kde.org and click on the 'junior jobs' link - they're bugs specially suited for new contributors |
| 08:36.22 | jeh | PhilRod: yes |
| 08:36.50 | jeh | PhilRod: although something that is a bit confusing is wether developers run 3.5 or 4.0 themselves? |
| 08:36.53 | PhilRod | canllaith: there's a whatsthis help about it in the file associations dialog, I think |
| 08:37.02 | canllaith | jeh: both! ;) |
| 08:37.03 | PhilRod | jeh: ok, agreed :-) |
| 08:37.11 | canllaith | and some also are running 3.4 |
| 08:37.11 | PhilRod | canllaith: will you explain or shall I? |
| 08:37.19 | jeh | or can one use a stablish version and develop on a unstable one? |
| 08:37.24 | canllaith | jeh: At the moment KDE4 is not able to be used for real work. |
| 08:37.29 | canllaith | Unless you are involved in heavy porting. |
| 08:37.30 | jeh | although 3.5 is getting stable |
| 08:37.33 | canllaith | It's very unstable, and barely runs |
| 08:37.40 | canllaith | Right now I'd recommend you to use 3.5 |
| 08:37.43 | drac | conflicting information |
| 08:37.53 | drac | oh no it isn't, nevermind :) |
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| 08:37.55 | canllaith | It's quite stable, I've been using it for a while. |
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| 08:38.00 | PhilRod | canllaith meant that KDE 4 is unstable |
| 08:38.05 | PhilRod | 3.5 is pretty solid |
| 08:38.08 | canllaith | If you do want to run KDE4, I'd recommend that you make a new user to do so |
| 08:38.15 | pinotree | but kde4 is quite cool :) |
| 08:38.16 | drac | PhilRod: yes, my excuse is I just woke upp :) |
| 08:38.27 | PhilRod | drac: more coffee! |
| 08:38.27 | canllaith | and keep it very seperate for the moment, keeping in mind you'll need to keep your 3.5 around for a while to have something that actually works ;) |
| 08:38.32 | drac | PhilRod: indeed! |
| 08:38.37 | jeh | canllaith: hm, that's of course a very good idea to have multiple users |
| 08:38.58 | canllaith | jeh: it's because on my KDE box I use for KDE development I also do other paying and non paying work :) |
| 08:39.13 | canllaith | so 'me' I only want to use stable software. I have kde4 and kdedoc users with different environments for those particular tasks. |
| 08:39.51 | jeh | canllaith: heh, i personally like to keep my working desktop up for months in one run. once the apps are where they are supposed to be things should not change |
| 08:40.26 | canllaith | :) |
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| 08:40.28 | jeh | so a different user for actually testing things is probably a sane idea |
| 08:40.33 | canllaith | Definitely. |
| 08:40.57 | canllaith | I also use my two most critical communication apps from the command line. Mail & IRC |
| 08:41.11 | canllaith | Then at least if KDE breaks because of me running unstable versions I can always get my email heh |
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| 08:41.17 | jeh | i did that too |
| 08:41.25 | jeh | nowadays i love kmail and konvi |
| 08:41.35 | canllaith | :) they are lovely. |
| 08:41.42 | canllaith | Unfortunately I can't take them onto windows or OSX with me :'( |
| 08:41.49 | jeh | yet |
| 08:41.58 | apokryphos | Konversation has one or two annoying things about it |
| 08:42.07 | canllaith | You cannot use it as an op heh |
| 08:42.12 | apokryphos | i.e. resuming downloads, and Op-options |
| 08:42.15 | apokryphos | yes |
| 08:42.22 | jeh | apokryphos: sure, nothing is perfect, but for me it beats irssi in usability |
| 08:42.26 | canllaith | it has russian roulette kick feature where you select someone and select 'kick' and it kicks someone completely different |
| 08:42.35 | apokryphos | hah |
| 08:42.36 | PhilRod | jeh: ok, if you have any problems finding something to work on, ping me and we can find something (that JJ list is by no means comprehensive) |
| 08:43.11 | jeh | PhilRod: ok |
| 08:43.29 | jeh | PhilRod: i don't think there will be any problem to find things to do |
| 08:43.34 | PhilRod | cool :-) |
| 08:43.53 | jeh | ...which i notice make it sounds like kde is buggy cr*p :) |
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| 08:44.04 | jeh | -s |
| 08:44.32 | PhilRod | not necessarily - lots of those are wishlists or docs bugs etc :-) |
| 08:45.25 | jeh | it's actually very weird, i've used qt since the 0.x days and kde since 1.0, but never really made any kde stuff except for some small systray tests |
| 08:46.08 | jeh | it's always felt a bit overwhelming and a bit like "why do this app now when i have to port it to a new kde in a few months" |
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| 08:48.39 | PhilRod | yes, I understand - you might like to take the approach suggested by Carlos Woelz in the "KDE Quality" project (not a very good name unfortunately). It goes like this: |
| 08:48.45 | canllaith | That's not quite like it works though |
| 08:48.57 | canllaith | KDE within a major version maintains binary compatibility with previous versions |
| 08:49.07 | canllaith | so you shouldn't have to do anything in only a few months |
| 08:49.16 | jeh | canllaith: no, but *was* more like that years ago |
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| 08:50.19 | PhilRod | in order to become familiar with an application, you work on the *whole* application and not just the code. So you consider coding, docs, whatsthis help, usability of *one* (or two) app(s) that you pick |
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| 08:50.46 | PhilRod | that way you don't have to learn 500 classes and their APIs before you can do anything useful |
| 08:50.57 | PhilRod | so you get up-to-speed quicker and more easily |
| 08:51.00 | jeh | sounds smart |
| 08:51.14 | Zedman | I am using debian sid under kde 3.4.1 and I am looking for a kde application like kover that is printing dvd-covers. is there somebody who has an idea? It would be nice :) thx |
| 08:51.38 | PhilRod | Zedman: kde-apps is probably the place to look |
| 08:52.18 | Zedman | I'll come back later :) maybe... |
| 08:52.37 | PhilRod | jeh: yes, I think it's a really good idea. Unfortunately, the project had some trouble getting off the ground. They're relaunching soon, so hopefully it will have more success |
| 08:53.39 | jeh | there are so many initiatives when you consider kde as a whole |
| 08:53.58 | Zedman | PhilRod: section multimedia? |
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| 08:54.59 | marcusU | I'm getting errors compiling kdepim/doc/kpilot: configuration.docbook:499: element variablelist: validity error : Element variablelist content does not follow the DTD |
| 08:55.22 | canllaith | what version marcusU ? trunk or 3.5 ? |
| 08:55.27 | marcusU | 3.5 |
| 08:55.32 | canllaith | I'll have a look |
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| 08:56.30 | PhilRod | canllaith: I can do it if you're busy |
| 08:56.46 | canllaith | heh well I just svn upped and started running meinproc over it |
| 08:56.56 | canllaith | and meinproc is happy with it? |
| 08:57.11 | canllaith | there it is :) |
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| 09:02.37 | marcusU | Okay, so you did find something wrong, canllaith ? |
| 09:02.43 | canllaith | yeah |
| 09:02.48 | PhilRod | marcusU: I've found the error too |
| 09:02.58 | marcusU | Oh good. Sometimes I worry that something is wrong with my setup. |
| 09:03.00 | PhilRod | canllaith: you fix or shall I? |
| 09:03.37 | canllaith | PhilRod: might as well, I mean when I said 'I'll have a look' I really meant 'Nope not my problem' =p |
| 09:03.48 | canllaith | You'll probably fix it quicker than I would though so *shrugs* |
| 09:04.21 | canllaith | No, go for it Phil I'm sure you'll fix it quicker. |
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| 09:08.06 | PhilRod | done |
| 09:08.22 | PhilRod | marcusU: svn up in kdepim/doc/kpilot and it should be fixed |
| 09:08.35 | marcusU | Yes, it works now. |
| 09:08.36 | marcusU | Thanks. |
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| 09:14.15 | fatejudger | does anyone know how to permanently disable the "KOrganizer Alarm Daemon"? |
| 09:14.31 | fatejudger | it keeps running every time I go into the "Journal" section of Kontact |
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| 09:15.13 | fatejudger | oh right, it's 2 AM |
| 09:15.14 | fatejudger | ok |
| 09:15.18 | fatejudger | I'll just ask tommorow |
| 09:15.52 | drac | 12:15 PM |
| 09:16.06 | fatejudger | do you have the answer to my question? |
| 09:16.10 | drac | No. :) |
| 09:16.14 | fatejudger | damn... |
| 09:16.16 | fatejudger | oh well |
| 09:16.24 | fatejudger | like I said, more people will be on tommorow |
| 09:16.25 | fatejudger | or today... |
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| 09:16.38 | fatejudger | I'll come back on this afternoon |
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| 09:26.47 | apokryphos | rutski89: krename |
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| 09:39.54 | Sheraz | Hi |
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| 09:43.21 | AceTheFace | hi |
| 09:43.47 | AceTheFace | anyone using mousegesture in konqueror? have activated them, but they won't work |
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| 09:50.51 | jeh | AceTheFace: work ok for me |
| 09:51.02 | AceTheFace | hm |
| 09:52.02 | AceTheFace | I've activated khotkey-daemon and setted up right mouse button for gesture-actions. But it just pops up the normal context menu in konqueror |
| 09:52.36 | jeh | button 3 (seconday)? |
| 09:52.43 | jeh | secondary |
| 09:53.18 | jeh | and the group "Konqueror Gestures" is not set as Disable? |
| 09:55.11 | AceTheFace | yes, its not disabled, and button3 (secondary) |
| 09:55.23 | AceTheFace | have I to enable global mouse gestures? |
| 09:56.18 | jeh | i the Global Settings i haven't checked in "Disable mouse gestures globally" |
| 09:56.23 | jeh | in |
| 09:56.44 | jeh | so i assume they are enabled by default then |
| 09:57.25 | jeh | also make sure that "Disable KHotkeys daemon" is not checked in "General Settings" |
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| 09:59.38 | AceTheFace | jeh: shit ;) |
| 09:59.45 | AceTheFace | that's the point |
| 09:59.54 | AceTheFace | checking means disabling |
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| 10:00.10 | defcon8 | what do i need to exec in .xinitrc to use kde? |
| 10:00.22 | AceTheFace | defcon8: startkde I think |
| 10:00.25 | defcon8 | thanks |
| 10:01.19 | jeh | AceTheFace: yeah, it's not really that intuitive |
| 10:01.23 | AceTheFace | jeh: so, now its working |
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| 10:01.37 | AceTheFace | thx, bye |
| 10:01.41 | jeh | the whole config dialog could do with some usability improvements |
| 10:01.52 | AceTheFace | ack |
| 10:02.00 | jeh | have fun :) |
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| 10:02.36 | davidhouse | hi all, just a quick question: is there a way to make the windows key open the K Menu? |
| 10:02.50 | davidhouse | the best I've got so far is get Win+something else to open it. |
| 10:02.59 | PhilRod | that's pretty much the best you'll get |
| 10:03.13 | davidhouse | hmm |
| 10:03.15 | davidhouse | that's a shame. |
| 10:03.16 | PhilRod | unless you're willing to give up Win+(something) type shortcuts |
| 10:03.44 | davidhouse | not really. amarok's global shortcuts are very useful. |
| 10:03.55 | davidhouse | i suppose i could change them... what method do you have in mind? |
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| 10:07.41 | PhilRod | davidhouse: you can remap the Win key with xmodmap to not be a modifier |
| 10:07.57 | PhilRod | tbh, I'd recommend keeping the modifier, and using Alt+F1 to open the menu |
| 10:08.12 | davidhouse | yeah. |
| 10:08.22 | davidhouse | ah well. thanks for your help. |
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| 10:18.38 | Skrotto | 2 |
| 10:18.43 | Skrotto | oops :) |
| 10:18.45 | pinotree | 3 |
| 10:18.47 | pinotree | :) |
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| 10:31.47 | Almindor | how can one user have malformed charset and other not with same regional settings? |
| 10:34.44 | jeh | Almindor: different fonts? some fonts may not have all needed characters |
| 10:36.37 | Almindor | I have "defaults" for both |
| 10:36.44 | Almindor | didn't change fonts in any user yet |
| 10:38.04 | jeh | ok |
| 10:38.11 | Almindor | hmm but I didn't check if they are same ether.. |
| 10:38.24 | jeh | at least ubuntu has some default fonts that don't have the scandinavian characters included |
| 10:38.25 | Almindor | brb |
| 10:38.34 | Almindor | freebsd here:) |
| 10:40.14 | Almindor | yay |
| 10:40.27 | Almindor | for whatever reason she had other fonts than defaults |
| 10:40.32 | Almindor | setting to defaults fixed it :) |
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| 11:00.20 | bluesceada | hm |
| 11:00.24 | bluesceada | how can i use kdm themes ? |
| 11:00.43 | bluesceada | i just have such a grey input box, and the background i chose |
| 11:01.06 | bluesceada | you can download themes from kde-look.org but they won'T work, even if you put them in kdmrc ... |
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| 11:03.05 | bluesceada | hmm |
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| 11:05.39 | Skrotto | bluesceada: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22120 perhaps? |
| 11:08.13 | bluesceada | Skrotto: yeah thx .. :D |
| 11:08.34 | bluesceada | thought this would come with kde .. when it'S possible to use themes ?! |
| 11:08.53 | Skrotto | Should think so yes, I don't use KDM myself :> |
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| 11:19.22 | bluesceada | Skrotto: i also didnt use kdm .. used gdm all the time |
| 11:19.34 | bluesceada | but with kdm it's better to shut down from within kde . |
| 11:19.57 | bluesceada | and opening another session works now too with kdm :) (better than before ..) |
| 11:20.05 | Skrotto | I don't use any dm :) |
| 11:20.38 | bluesceada | ah ok |
| 11:20.40 | bluesceada | ?! |
| 11:20.46 | bluesceada | why |
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| 12:02.46 | SbCl3 | hmm...why can't kwrite or kate do tabs? i'm reading the kpad comments at kde.org |
| 12:02.51 | SbCl3 | *kde-look.org |
| 12:09.42 | fangel | SbCl3: there is (sort of) tabs in Kate 3.4+ |
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| 12:10.20 | SbCl3 | howso? |
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| 12:10.49 | SbCl3 | where do i get kate 3.4? |
| 12:10.58 | SbCl3 | nevermind |
| 12:12.04 | Atreid | Is there a way to remove the Timezone display from the clock? Right now it shows the time with "Montreal" underneath. |
| 12:14.25 | Worf | scroll Mousewheel? |
| 12:15.13 | Atreid | Worf: thanks |
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| 12:17.05 | Celestar | when I switch desktops, can I display the number/name of the current desktop? I know there was such a function, but I cannot find it anymore |
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| 12:18.15 | canllaith | Celestar: yes :) It is in kwin configuration dialog |
| 12:18.34 | canllaith | Celestar: Kcontrol -> Desktop -> Window Behaviour -> Focus |
| 12:18.40 | canllaith | 'Popup desktop name on desktop switch' |
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| 12:19.37 | Celestar | oh |
| 12:19.47 | Celestar | so why does it not get displayed ... |
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| 12:26.18 | Celestar | it works not :( |
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| 12:28.18 | davidhouse | hey, is there any way to stop mousewheeling over the taskbar from changing the active window? |
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| 12:33.10 | PhilRod | davidhouse: it'll be in the control center -> desktop -> panel -> taskbar if there is |
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| 12:39.59 | elirips | hello. does someone know about a nice irc-client for kde? |
| 12:41.08 | PhilRod | konversation, kvirc and ksirc are your options |
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| 12:41.38 | elirips | thanks. |
| 12:41.46 | Celestar | this is weird |
| 12:41.51 | PhilRod | elirips: :-) |
| 12:42.11 | elirips | PhilRod: but you still use xchat? ;) |
| 12:42.12 | PhilRod | konversation is very popular, but apparently has some wierd bugs if you're an op |
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| 12:42.27 | PhilRod | elirips: force of habit |
| 12:42.47 | elirips | hm, okay. well i'll try these 3 and see if i like one. |
| 12:48.39 | jeh | isn't kopete also an option for irc? |
| 12:49.25 | PhilRod | oh yeah, that too |
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| 12:49.42 | PhilRod | though even the developers say it's not a brilliant option :- |
| 12:49.44 | PhilRod | :-) |
| 12:50.04 | PhilRod | (it excels at IM, and IRC is a completely different principle) |
| 12:50.06 | PhilRod | s/completely/very |
| 12:50.08 | jeh | heh |
| 12:50.11 | annma | yes |
| 12:51.01 | jeh | i don't really like the idea of cramming all IM into one app. they are all anywway very different so you end up with a least common denominator for each protocol |
| 12:51.23 | annma | yes |
| 12:52.00 | davidhouse | hmm |
| 12:52.06 | davidhouse | i use kopete for IRC, it works fine :) |
| 12:52.34 | annma | but it was not designed for IRC |
| 12:53.14 | annma | so it probably lacks some functionality here |
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| 12:53.15 | bauerbob | hi |
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| 12:54.00 | bauerbob | i was really impressed by the progress, kpdf has made in the last versions. is there a web-plugin of kpdf for mozilla/konqueror? |
| 12:54.25 | annma | kpdf is embedded in konqueror |
| 12:54.44 | annma | thsu all pdf can be opened inside konqueror |
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| 12:55.30 | bauerbob | and for mozilla? |
| 12:55.49 | annma | mozilla is not kde |
| 12:56.18 | bauerbob | sure, ...uhm...and so the kde people have no interest in writing a plugin for mozilla? |
| 12:56.34 | annma | probably not |
| 12:56.40 | davidhouse | one of the KDE devs started work a while back at compiling firefox with qt, but i don't think it got anywhere. |
| 12:56.41 | annma | why would they? |
| 12:56.51 | davidhouse | which is a real shame |
| 12:56.59 | annma | there's some work on qt-mozila, yes |
| 12:57.00 | annma | bah |
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| 12:57.12 | annma | why would you use such a dinausor? |
| 12:57.25 | edulix | anma: do you prefer firefox, prehaps ? |
| 12:57.39 | annma | we prefer konqueror otherwise we would not develop for kde |
| 12:57.46 | annma | firefox is slow |
| 12:57.52 | dystopianray | firefox leaks so much memory |
| 12:58.10 | annma | our aim is to improve konqueror as much as we can |
| 12:58.10 | dystopianray | you can still develop for kde if you like firefox, there is work on a gecko plugin, iirc ? |
| 12:58.21 | annma | bah |
| 12:58.30 | edulix | that's true, but it works better in some pages. firefox is there to stay and everyobne knows it |
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| 12:58.48 | PieD | we must improve konqueror because a lot of apps use the rendering engine used by konqueror |
| 12:59.00 | annma | besides apple uses khtml too |
| 12:59.11 | annma | so its not so bad compared to gecko |
| 12:59.21 | Skrotto | I have to use both firefox and konqueror.. I can't get my internet banking and some of the uni pages working in konq :< |
| 12:59.33 | annma | issue bug reports |
| 12:59.41 | dystopianray | luckily my uni is all mac based, so konq works great :) |
| 12:59.45 | annma | except the google things I can do all I need |
| 12:59.59 | annma | google sucks in that matter |
| 13:00.02 | dystopianray | and my bank recently upgraded their netbanking for safari users, so konq works fine :D |
| 13:00.04 | Skrotto | Both are pages requiering login/password.. how do I bugreport those pages? |
| 13:00.11 | dystopianray | i use pop3 in kmail for gmail |
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| 13:00.21 | Skrotto | gmail works in konq.. |
| 13:00.25 | annma | dystopianray: google maps and earth |
| 13:00.27 | edulix | exactly. and sometimes firefox performance is better, i think with iframes or moving things in the page. i love konqui and i use it most of the time, but it's an error to dismiss firefox because it's slow or mozilla because it'¡s a dinosaur |
| 13:00.43 | annma | we don't dismiss mozilla |
| 13:00.43 | dystopianray | had to google maps work in konq-svn ? |
| 13:00.48 | annma | it's just not our thing |
| 13:00.56 | davidhouse | Skrotto: poorly |
| 13:00.58 | annma | choice is good |
| 13:01.00 | edulix | ok that's fine :) |
| 13:01.01 | dystopianray | Skrotto: try to track down and reproduce the exact issue, |
| 13:01.10 | annma | don't misinterprete what I say |
| 13:01.12 | davidhouse | Skroto: it's the dumbed down ajaxless version |
| 13:01.41 | dystopianray | firefox and konqueror are both cool :) |
| 13:01.47 | davidhouse | yep. |
| 13:01.50 | dystopianray | but konqueror is not just a web browser :D |
| 13:02.03 | Skrotto | dystopianray: okay. My internet banking uses certificates, so I though importing the certificate from firefox (when I try to receive a certificate using konqueror I get a error page) would do the trick. But the page still doesn't understand that I've got the certificate, and asks me to get a new one |
| 13:02.18 | davidhouse | konq is by _far_ the best option for file management. |
| 13:02.25 | annma | the best in konqueror is that it embedds things without requiring them to be plugins |
| 13:02.33 | dystopianray | Skrotto: I'm not a khtml dev or anything, I really can't help :( sorry |
| 13:02.37 | annma | you don't have to load this and that |
| 13:03.03 | Skrotto | Kmplayer is lovable in konqueror :) |
| 13:03.03 | dystopianray | does konq-svn have drag and drop tab placement? |
| 13:03.05 | davidhouse | of course, firefox has the abundance of extensions ;) |
| 13:03.28 | annma | extensions? |
| 13:03.49 | davidhouse | addons.mozilla.org? |
| 13:03.51 | annma | konqueror has all kde apps as extensions |
| 13:03.52 | dystopianray | annma: you've not seen the firefox extensions? :s |
| 13:03.55 | edulix | yeah like konqueror but in javscript+xul |
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| 13:04.36 | davidhouse | annma: the ability to embed parts in konq is more comparable to fx's plugins |
| 13:04.44 | davidhouse | extensions are a whole different story. |
| 13:05.05 | davidhouse | there are some very cool ones kncocking about. |
| 13:05.05 | dystopianray | is google not bothering to support konq becuas of market share? or are there technical issues that stop it from working properly? Has anyone been in contact with google devs regarded konq? |
| 13:05.07 | annma | I am not sure firefox extensions are easy to install on linux |
| 13:05.16 | davidhouse | erm, yes they are. |
| 13:05.27 | davidhouse | well, i had no trouble. |
| 13:05.30 | dystopianray | they're installed in your home dir aren't they? |
| 13:05.33 | edulix | you need to restart the browser, though |
| 13:05.47 | PieD | dystopianray: therer is no technical issue for the support of gmail |
| 13:05.49 | davidhouse | yeah, ~/.mozilla/firefox/[profile name]/extensions |
| 13:06.00 | dystopianray | PieD: they just don't care about konq? |
| 13:06.06 | PieD | exactly |
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| 13:06.24 | rolando | is it possible to install flash player for konqueror? |
| 13:06.27 | dystopianray | has anyone been in contact with google devs at all regarding konq support? |
| 13:06.42 | dystopianray | rolando: yes it works fine, konq supports netscape plugins |
| 13:07.00 | rolando | dystopianray: what path should i tell flash konqueror is? |
| 13:07.14 | apokryphos | rolando: whever it actually is |
| 13:07.20 | apokryphos | probably in ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 13:07.24 | dystopianray | err.. you shoudltn' have to tell flash where konqueror is :s |
| 13:07.29 | rolando | but thats for mozilla |
| 13:07.38 | apokryphos | whoop, *tell konqueror where flash is |
| 13:07.43 | apokryphos | rolando: yes, konqueror can use it. |
| 13:07.45 | dystopianray | konq's auto scan thing should find it |
| 13:07.46 | rolando | ok |
| 13:07.47 | rolando | thanx |
| 13:07.57 | dystopianray | depends on where your distro packages put it of course :p |
| 13:08.31 | rolando | yeah, blame it on the distro |
| 13:08.34 | rolando | cya |
| 13:08.47 | apokryphos | :| |
| 13:09.03 | dystopianray | =/ |
| 13:10.09 | edulix | maybe he meant that the mozilla path for plugins should be in a registry or something :P |
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| 13:11.24 | dystopianray | lol |
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| 13:13.43 | edulix | actually i think that's the best solution. it's like enviromental vars, enhanced |
| 13:13.53 | edulix | (if properly implemented) |
| 13:14.02 | dystopianray | heh, install windows, all the registry you want ;) |
| 13:14.06 | drac | http://hdr.unk.fi/~drac/2005-09-02-161503_1129x870_scrot.png :) |
| 13:14.53 | dystopianray | how feature complete is kde 3.5 alpha 1? |
| 13:15.23 | edulix | dystopianray: windows registry is an obscure thing, that's not a good implementation example. that's why registries are so infamous.. but i don't think they're such a bad idea |
| 13:15.58 | dystopianray | nothing stopping you from making your own distro and apps that can do things with a registry :D |
| 13:16.09 | dystopianray | just look at that livecd project, all the init stuff is done in php |
| 13:17.35 | edulix | dystopianray: nah that's not the way to go. there's some talk about this in freedesktop, i don't know how is it going now |
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| 13:24.50 | dystopianray | anyone got a backported patch for kopete 10.3 that will fix that gtalk issue? |
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| 13:29.39 | chandoo | hi:) |
| 13:29.51 | chandoo | how to use kdm instead of gdm |
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| 13:30.18 | Skrotto | chandoo: distro? |
| 13:30.26 | chandoo | fc4 |
| 13:30.49 | Skrotto | dunno :) |
| 13:31.13 | chandoo | what distro you know |
| 13:31.18 | annma | chandoo: ask in fc channel |
| 13:31.30 | dystopianray | lol |
| 13:31.33 | annma | do you have kdebase installed first? |
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| 13:31.55 | chandoo | annma: yes |
| 13:32.01 | ferlinux | help friends: my suse9.3 yast2 does not open. Message aa root: the qt frontend is installed but does not work |
| 13:32.14 | annma | ferlinux: ask in #suse |
| 13:32.55 | ferlinux | no help annma |
| 13:33.00 | annma | chandoo: does fc4 have a GUI for system tweaking? |
| 13:33.12 | annma | ferlinux: are you in kde right now? |
| 13:33.14 | chandoo | yes |
| 13:33.16 | annma | in your suse? |
| 13:33.31 | annma | chandoo: then it should allow you ot chage the diaplay manager |
| 13:33.40 | annma | to change the display manager |
| 13:33.42 | ferlinux | my kde is quite well, annma |
| 13:34.05 | annma | ferlinux: you're using it right now? |
| 13:34.13 | ferlinux | yes |
| 13:34.27 | annma | echo $QTDIR |
| 13:34.30 | annma | paste |
| 13:34.55 | ferlinux | everything is going nice, only yast2 stopped working |
| 13:35.06 | annma | ferlinux: well yast is not a kde program |
| 13:35.26 | chandoo | annma: how to invoke display manager , is it switch-desk you are talking about? |
| 13:35.31 | annma | if your qt is all ok, we cannot help better |
| 13:35.45 | annma | chandoo: I don't know fc4 |
| 13:35.55 | chandoo | what distro you use |
| 13:35.59 | annma | chandoo: I also don't know how fc keeps its files |
| 13:36.17 | ferlinux | sorry, i forgot this is a kde forum, kids! |
| 13:36.25 | annma | so if I tell you to change this and that in an /etc file and if it messes your system you will be unhappy |
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| 13:37.29 | annma | chandoo: I use Mandriva and in drakconf I can choose the display manager I want |
| 13:37.40 | annma | drakconf is a graphical setting tool |
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| 14:21.07 | xomp | could someone assist with this error -> http://pastebin.com/352517 |
| 14:21.16 | xomp | all I tried doing was open a webpage in a new tab in konq. |
| 14:21.26 | xomp | this is a fresh install of slackware 10.1 and I'm running whatever version comes with this version, I have no idea why I'm crashing nearly everytime I try to do anything. |
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| 15:04.16 | atoi[work] | anyone know what would prompt Konq to think that .ogg files are "plain text documents" when you click on a link that ends with ogg? |
| 15:04.24 | atoi[work] | I have the file associations set to use amaroK... |
| 15:05.09 | annma | do you have ogg tools installed? |
| 15:05.42 | atoi[work] | what do you mean? I just used audiocd:/ to rip a bunch of .oggs and I can play them... |
| 15:05.51 | annma | well I just asked |
| 15:06.18 | annma | how is the setting for embedded? |
| 15:07.11 | annma | in the .ogg properties and Embedding tab, what is set? |
| 15:07.51 | annma | atoi[work]: ? |
| 15:08.45 | atoi[work] | application order, basically. the embedding says "treat it like an application" and it also prompts for save. |
| 15:08.59 | atoi[work] | but it's not even recognizing the file as an .ogg... that's the problem. |
| 15:09.13 | atoi[work] | the save dialogue says its "plain text" |
| 15:09.54 | annma | in General tab |
| 15:10.07 | annma | what is the exact type? |
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| 15:12.03 | annma | atoi[work]: ^^? |
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| 15:12.54 | Sepho | hi all |
| 15:13.25 | atoi[work] | annma: what? Filename patterns: *.ogg, *.OGG Description: Ogg Multimedia, Application Preference Order: amaroK |
| 15:13.37 | atoi[work] | it's listed as "application" |
| 15:14.08 | annma | Type is what when you right click on the ogg? |
| 15:14.43 | atoi[work] | Ogg Vorbis Audio |
| 15:15.07 | annma | meta info is also OK? |
| 15:15.26 | Sepho | i need help... i want to compile baghira to install mac style, but during ./configure show me this error: checking for KDE... configure: error: in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix!... What I have to do? |
| 15:15.30 | atoi[work] | on WHICH .ogg are you talking about? I can't really right click on the web link... |
| 15:15.48 | atoi[work] | on my local file system yes... meta info is fine, type is fine. |
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| 15:15.56 | StyXman | hi all |
| 15:16.03 | atoi[work] | hello StyXman |
| 15:16.38 | StyXman | I'm using svn-3.5, and I stumbled upon a strange behaviour |
| 15:16.48 | annma | so in kcontrol look at file associations and ogg |
| 15:17.02 | StyXman | window switching only switches between the last two used apps |
| 15:17.09 | annma | Sepho: you must use: ./configure --prefix=/path/to/kde |
| 15:17.25 | annma | where /path/to/kde is where your KDE applications are |
| 15:17.35 | atoi[work] | annma: I did that already. the file associations are FINE |
| 15:17.41 | annma | well then |
| 15:17.45 | annma | try a new user |
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| 15:19.10 | Sepho | annma: and where is the normal folder? |
| 15:19.10 | annma | check ask wether to save to disk instead might also help |
| 15:19.18 | annma | Sepho: depends on your distro |
| 15:19.23 | annma | Sepho: distro? |
| 15:19.23 | atoi[work] | annma: that's already checked. |
| 15:19.31 | annma | atoi[work]: and it doe snot ask? |
| 15:19.36 | atoi[work] | it does prompt me... that's why I saw that it said "plain text document" |
| 15:19.36 | Sepho | debian |
| 15:19.42 | annma | it's /usr |
| 15:19.44 | annma | try |
| 15:19.53 | annma | ./configure --prefix=/usr |
| 15:19.57 | annma | Sepho: ^^ |
| 15:20.00 | Sepho | thanks :D |
| 15:20.12 | annma | tell me if it works or not |
| 15:21.26 | Sepho | show me the same error |
| 15:21.42 | Sepho | do you know any other mac OS style for KDE? |
| 15:21.54 | annma | Sepho: you don't have kdelibs-devel installed |
| 15:22.02 | annma | you need it to compile things |
| 15:22.15 | annma | or try getting the baghira deb |
| 15:23.07 | Sepho | I'm go to try to install that package |
| 15:23.39 | annma | yes |
| 15:23.48 | annma | you also need all qt-devel packages |
| 15:23.53 | atoi[work] | annma: actually on another use, AND on my friends computer it thinks they're plain text documents. |
| 15:23.53 | annma | (probably) |
| 15:23.58 | atoi[work] | annma: http://alt.ostrowski.cc/dan/WoW/ |
| 15:24.19 | annma | lol |
| 15:24.22 | annma | only those? |
| 15:24.37 | annma | what about another ogg elsewhere??? |
| 15:24.38 | atoi[work] | I'm thinking it may have to do with the names having spaces. |
| 15:24.53 | annma | it's having to do with these being wrong |
| 15:25.07 | annma | I thought it was a problem you tested on other OGG |
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| 15:25.50 | annma | these oggs are just messed |
| 15:26.30 | annma | atoi[work]: what about any other .ogg? |
| 15:26.36 | benz | greetings: what is a good channel for asking support questions about konqueror & kate? |
| 15:27.02 | Sepho | annma: I'm going to try again ^^ |
| 15:27.05 | annma | that one is goog |
| 15:27.07 | annma | good |
| 15:27.18 | Sepho | it seems good |
| 15:28.47 | annma | atoi[work]: go there: http://ktown.kde.org/akademy2005/unprocessed/ and click on any .ogg |
| 15:28.52 | annma | what happens? |
| 15:29.13 | atoi[work] | works. |
| 15:29.16 | atoi[work] | it's got to be the file name. |
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| 15:29.29 | Sepho | hum annma broken in the make xD |
| 15:29.31 | annma | of course it is |
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| 15:29.44 | annma | it is the way the mime type was set on those stupid ogg |
| 15:29.45 | Sepho | but in the webpage show Baghira is allready part of the Official Debian Archive, so you can just apt-get install it from Sid. |
| 15:29.48 | Sepho | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.05 | annma | Sepho: maybe go to #debian-kde |
| 15:30.27 | Sepho | ok, thanks :) |
| 15:31.22 | atoi[work] | annma: umm... the mime type is determined by the file name when you click on those links. |
| 15:31.36 | atoi[work] | it's a parsing problem on the KDE side. |
| 15:31.46 | annma | no |
| 15:31.58 | annma | it's a problem with the files on the server |
| 15:32.04 | annma | a html problem |
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| 15:32.30 | annma | the html assigns text type to those files |
| 15:33.44 | atoi[work] | ... |
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| 15:38.50 | beniamino | i'm packaging kde for darwinports/mac os x. |
| 15:38.51 | beniamino | can anyone give me advice on how to move /etc/xdg/applications.menu so it doesn't conflict with gnome-menus |
| 15:39.28 | annma | what app conflicts with gnome? |
| 15:39.42 | annma | we use freedesktop satndards in our .desktop files |
| 15:39.55 | beniamino | annma: kded |
| 15:40.12 | annma | is there a .desktop file for that? |
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| 15:40.21 | jatos | hi |
| 15:40.31 | beniamino | what's a .desktop file? |
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| 15:41.07 | annma | hmm, you're packaging kde? |
| 15:41.12 | beniamino | debian has patches that almost do what i want: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-commits/2005-May/000861.html |
| 15:41.21 | beniamino | yep |
| 15:42.07 | annma | are you sure the conflict is from kde? |
| 15:42.09 | jatos | any of you lot used crossover office? |
| 15:43.20 | beniamino | annma: yeah, both gnome-menus and kdelibs want to install /etc/xdg/aplications.menu |
| 15:43.22 | annma | beniamino: if you're sure it's kde fault then issue a bug report explaining why it conflicts |
| 15:43.43 | annma | it might be gnome fault as well, no? |
| 15:43.56 | benz | I'm unable to modify remote files using kate when browsing a remotemachine over samba. I am, though, able to modify the files using another editor, like gedit. Any possible reason? |
| 15:44.15 | annma | beniamino: in the bug report, specify exactly what KDE file is at fault |
| 15:44.38 | jatos | beniamino, from what I seen both kde and gnome have the same menu |
| 15:44.51 | jatos | so any program tht appears your gnoem menu will appear in you kde menu |
| 15:45.10 | annma | we use standrds to allow that |
| 15:45.13 | jatos | but you needn't worry about it installing applications.menu |
| 15:45.22 | annma | it's a feature |
| 15:46.17 | Sepho | where can I download letter fonts for KDE? |
| 15:46.48 | annma | Sepho: fonts? fonts are for X not for KDE |
| 15:47.08 | annma | look at the debian website and search for fonts |
| 15:48.24 | annma | you can also import all your windows fonts if you have a windows partition |
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| 15:49.18 | beniamino | annma: yes, it's more of a difference of opinion than a bug |
| 15:49.24 | jatos | btw, who finds KDE processor intensive, because I was jsut looknig at a thread on a forum and someone caleld KDE processor intensive but I cant' say I agree |
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| 15:49.37 | benz | Does anyone have suggestions for modifying files on a remote machine over a samba share using kate and konqueror? I can do so using nautilus and kate. I can do so using konqueror and gedit. I can't do it using konqueror and kate (the changes are only saved to a local temp file). |
| 15:49.40 | Sepho | annma: and where is the fonts folder? |
| 15:50.05 | IceD^ | hello |
| 15:50.05 | IceD^ | small problem with cursor |
| 15:50.27 | IceD^ | in any simple wm all cursor from the selected theme displays perfectly |
| 15:50.32 | annma | Sepho: use KControl -> System Administration -> Font Installer |
| 15:50.38 | annma | follow the instructions |
| 15:50.42 | IceD^ | but in kde some (waiting, resizing) switches back to default X theme |
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| 15:50.55 | Sepho | thanks :) |
| 15:50.56 | IceD^ | default == build in? or smth |
| 15:51.02 | IceD^ | any ideas? |
| 15:52.40 | Sepho | and last question... i have installed mac os style (beghira) but the top of the window continues blue, I want to change it to mac style (three buttons of different color, etc...) where can I change that style? |
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| 15:55.11 | annma | Sepho: KControl -> Apparence and Themes somewhere there |
| 15:58.19 | IceD^ | bad, bad |
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| 16:12.59 | Tm_T | hi kids |
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| 16:14.22 | Dhraakellian | where does kmail store messages? |
| 16:14.37 | Tm_T | Dhraakellian: o/ |
| 16:14.57 | Dhraakellian | that's an odd-looking path |
| 16:15.07 | Tm_T | =) |
| 16:15.35 | Tm_T | it's a path to waving hand ;) |
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| 16:15.56 | PhilRod | Dhraakellian: one of ~/Mail, ~/.Mail, ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail |
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| 16:23.22 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 16:23.44 | Dhraakellian | I'm trying to get kmail to see my mail from when I used Gentoo |
| 16:23.50 | Dhraakellian | I copied my ~/Mail dir |
| 16:24.05 | Dhraakellian | and ~/.kde/share/config/kmail* |
| 16:25.19 | PhilRod | what about ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail? |
| 16:25.36 | Dhraakellian | yeah |
| 16:25.37 | Dhraakellian | that did it |
| 16:25.46 | Dhraakellian | heh |
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| 16:32.34 | atoi[work] | man I have GOT to get around to making a KDE rss feed applet. |
| 16:33.50 | atoi[work] | Dhraakellian: does it pop up a message when new news is posted? |
| 16:34.15 | Dhraakellian | not afaik, but it does display how many unread articles there are |
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| 16:43.55 | atoi[work] | Dhraakellian: yeah, see... what I want is something that pops up a message when there's new news. |
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| 16:44.14 | atoi[work] | so I can ignore it or read it. |
| 16:44.33 | atoi[work] | the message would be kind of like the popup for Kopete when a contact comes online. |
| 16:44.45 | Dhraakellian | Settings > Configure Notifications? |
| 16:44.55 | atoi[work] | good cal. |
| 16:44.56 | atoi[work] | call* |
| 16:46.38 | Dhraakellian | hmm... |
| 16:46.57 | Dhraakellian | maybe have it run kdialog --passivepopup? |
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| 17:33.38 | ovis | oke i have this weird problem compiling Kdegraphics-3.4.1 |
| 17:34.11 | ovis | i misses the zlib when i try to configure any one ? |
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| 17:35.18 | annma | install zlib, ovis |
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| 17:35.58 | Tm_T | hi annma |
| 17:36.04 | Tm_T | what's up |
| 17:37.01 | annma | hi! |
| 17:37.29 | Tm_T | I got some new stuff |
| 17:37.36 | Tm_T | like new kboard <3 |
| 17:38.44 | ovis | annma : i reinstalled zlib-1.2.3 to be sure so its a weird other thing |
| 17:39.10 | annma | you need zlid-devel |
| 17:39.25 | annma | you always need the devel packages when you compile |
| 17:39.32 | annma | they have the headers |
| 17:40.00 | ovis | i have the headers |
| 17:41.10 | ovis | could it be that some dummass program like xprint or openmotif overwritten any other zlib related stuff ? |
| 17:41.10 | annma | so |
| 17:41.19 | ovis | ist a enigma |
| 17:41.25 | annma | ovis: take it easy |
| 17:41.33 | annma | paste the error |
| 17:41.36 | annma | use a paste bin |
| 17:41.38 | ovis | wait |
| 17:41.43 | annma | I want the first lines of the error |
| 17:42.07 | ovis | http://pastebin.com/352985 |
| 17:42.11 | annma | the last compiling line and the first line of error is what I want, no need to paste kilometers of errors |
| 17:42.17 | annma | ovis: did you read that? |
| 17:42.26 | ovis | its in the configure face |
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| 17:42.58 | ovis | i did not had the chance to commense make |
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| 17:44.22 | annma | did you look at the configlog? |
| 17:44.31 | ovis | annma: i compiled zlib again static and dynamic and still configure cry's zlib not found |
| 17:44.43 | annma | yu compiled zlib? |
| 17:44.46 | annma | moment |
| 17:45.02 | annma | did you compile kdelibs 3.4.1? |
| 17:45.13 | ovis | http://pastebin.com/352989 |
| 17:45.18 | oGALAXYo | after compile you need to INSTALL the stuff |
| 17:45.28 | oGALAXYo | and preferabely in the /usr prefix |
| 17:45.35 | ovis | kdelibs-3.4.1 |
| 17:45.36 | Tm_T | :o |
| 17:46.19 | annma | ovis: and no problem there? |
| 17:46.40 | ovis | nope |
| 17:47.09 | annma | distro? |
| 17:47.09 | oGALAXYo | ovis: the problem here is that your XFree is old it has an old version of libz bundled with it.. |
| 17:47.28 | oGALAXYo | ovis: the current configure script checks and knows that old version and thus errors out with this. |
| 17:47.36 | ovis | but i installed some xrelated stuff that was overwriting stuff |
| 17:47.38 | annma | weird that kdelibs built, oGALAXYo |
| 17:47.41 | oGALAXYo | ovis: what XFree version do you have installed ? |
| 17:47.47 | annma | ovis: distro please??? |
| 17:47.58 | ovis | X11R6.8.2.log |
| 17:48.00 | ovis | LFS |
| 17:48.34 | oGALAXYo | LFS :) |
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| 17:49.28 | ovis | mmh my idea is to recompile Xorg |
| 17:49.44 | oGALAXYo | what zlib do you use ? |
| 17:49.46 | oGALAXYo | which version |
| 17:50.01 | annma | oh my |
| 17:50.03 | ovis | 1.2.3 |
| 17:50.14 | oGALAXYo | ovis: which prefix did you install it ? |
| 17:50.21 | ovis | oop wait |
| 17:50.48 | annma | zlib 1.2.3 is the one I have and kdegraphics compiled |
| 17:50.50 | ovis | zlib in /lib and /usr/include |
| 17:51.00 | annma | ovis: omething wrong on your syste |
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| 17:51.08 | oGALAXYo | ovis: ok now go to /usr/X11R6/lib and look if you have libz there as well |
| 17:51.10 | ovis | yes |
| 17:51.18 | ovis | oke wait |
| 17:52.03 | annma | $ rpm -qa |grep zlib |
| 17:52.04 | annma | zlib1-1.2.3-1mdk |
| 17:52.04 | annma | zlib1-devel-1.2.3-1mdk |
| 17:52.11 | ovis | only static |
| 17:52.22 | oGALAXYo | ovis: and thats the problem |
| 17:52.34 | oGALAXYo | ovis: your problem is that you compiled XOrg before zlib.. |
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| 17:52.58 | oGALAXYo | ovis: now zlib is a key element on every system and should be compiled after you finished LFS or even earlier so other packs can pick it up |
| 17:53.16 | oGALAXYo | your Xorg didnt found an system libz and thus used an internal version of it. which might be outdated. |
| 17:53.36 | ovis | oGALAXYo : no i compiled openmotif and xprint today and they had overwritten a lot of Xorg that i installen AFTER zlib |
| 17:53.38 | oGALAXYo | if you have had an libz installed on your system already then XOrg would fall back on that one and not compile an own one. |
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| 17:53.59 | oGALAXYo | why the fuck do you compile openmotif ? and why xprint ? |
| 17:54.04 | oGALAXYo | for what do you need that junk ? |
| 17:54.10 | annma | lol |
| 17:54.22 | annma | it's the love of building things |
| 17:54.46 | oGALAXYo | absolutely nothing inside KDE requires openmotif, nor xprint (if you install CUPS or LPrng) anyways. |
| 17:54.48 | ovis | mv libz.a /tmp/ |
| 17:54.53 | ovis | and it WORKS |
| 17:54.56 | ovis | WOOHOO |
| 17:54.58 | oGALAXYo | yeah of course. |
| 17:55.06 | oGALAXYo | of course it works, its hacked up patchwork. |
| 17:55.10 | ovis | Thank a MILLION |
| 17:55.27 | oGALAXYo | look i am running a similar LFS like system myself.. but then i have a years long knowledge in what i am doing. |
| 17:55.36 | oGALAXYo | but you still answered for what you need openmotif and xprint. |
| 17:55.42 | kilrae | damn kopete |
| 17:55.46 | oGALAXYo | still havent answered. |
| 17:55.59 | ovis | i really should recompile Xorg |
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| 17:56.11 | oGALAXYo | for what do you need openmotif and xprint ? |
| 17:56.15 | annma | !!! |
| 17:56.36 | oGALAXYo | heh i bet he probably doesnt really know. |
| 17:56.37 | oGALAXYo | :) |
| 17:56.48 | oGALAXYo | its written somewhere and he compiled it. |
| 17:56.51 | kilrae | it has an error, probably because the jabber server crashed, but it's minimized to the tray so i can't click ok for the error and i can't show it because it's frozen waiting for me to say ok about the error |
| 17:56.53 | oGALAXYo | :) |
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| 17:57.13 | ovis | oGALAXYo optional dependencies for xpdf but it was lesstiiff :) |
| 17:57.23 | oGALAXYo | ovis: you dont need xpdf. |
| 17:57.33 | oGALAXYo | ovis: kde comes with kpdf |
| 17:57.43 | kilrae | wait, i found it |
| 17:57.45 | ovis | other print procs do |
| 17:57.46 | oGALAXYo | so why do you use some stuff you really dont need ? |
| 17:57.53 | oGALAXYo | no print procs does use xprint. |
| 17:58.08 | oGALAXYo | most of the nowadays things use either cups or lprng.. |
| 17:58.08 | ovis | i test stuff to see if i need it |
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| 17:58.17 | gmg9 | i still dont understand why js not working in konq |
| 17:58.21 | oGALAXYo | no you dont, you probably dont know what the hell you are doing ? |
| 17:58.44 | ovis | xprint was a dep for mozzila |
| 17:59.03 | gmg9 | i cant access my gmail lables, settings etc just because it says js should be enbled |
| 17:59.14 | oGALAXYo | you dont need xprint for mozilla to print stuff. |
| 17:59.21 | ovis | its a cognitive process where i once in a while mess up |
| 17:59.27 | oGALAXYo | but then xprint should come bundled with xorg sources already iirc.. |
| 17:59.33 | ovis | yup |
| 17:59.41 | ovis | i am a dumm ass |
| 17:59.52 | oGALAXYo | well its no problem.. |
| 18:00.09 | ovis | but hey i learn that stuf now so that cool |
| 18:00.09 | oGALAXYo | you will learn from the mistakes and wont do it again.. |
| 18:00.11 | gmg9 | any help me plz |
| 18:00.12 | oGALAXYo | yeah |
| 18:00.35 | ovis | ooh oh gf is calling |
| 18:00.39 | oGALAXYo | ovis: i am doing LFS like systems for many years now.. and i recompiled my system out of itself over the years many times.. |
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| 18:02.13 | gmg9 | wjat path will i give to konq plugins settings for js ?? |
| 18:02.18 | gmg9 | ^what |
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| 18:10.34 | ovis | oGALAXYo I am lfs id 101 and busie from 1999 |
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| 18:30.36 | Tm_T | "crystal clear" is almost good enough, but, some letters are too "wide open" making it unreadable |
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| 18:33.38 | atoi[work] | hrm. the notifications for aKregator don't seem to work. |
| 18:34.13 | Blissex | atoi[work]: aKregator is a bit buggy in my xperience. it also has its own channel IIRC |
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| 18:34.55 | juampe | *** YOU'RE USING automake (GNU automake) 1.8.5. |
| 18:34.55 | juampe | *** KDE requires unsermake 0.4 for the moment |
| 18:35.01 | juampe | what is unsermake? |
| 18:35.31 | atoi[work] | Blissex: yeah... I need to just write my own. |
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| 18:35.41 | unintended | is it possible to have lipstik last version on kde 3.4.2 ? |
| 18:35.53 | Blissex | atoi[work]: na, it is buggy but pretty usable. |
| 18:36.12 | atoi[work] | Blissex: it doesn't do what I want... I may just add some functionality to it. |
| 18:36.29 | atoi[work] | Blissex: I want like... kopete-style presense notification boxes when a new article is picked up. |
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| 18:43.16 | eisregen | hi ^^ |
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| 18:45.00 | eisregen | I'm having a little trouble with kde 3.4.2 / linux 2.6.13 and klaptop .... in the ACPI config tab allcheckboxes stay grayed out ... even if I setup the helper application (I checked it, it's suid root) and restart kde ... |
| 18:45.22 | eisregen | is there some kind of trick ? ^^ |
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| 18:46.27 | unintended | re |
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| 18:53.04 | LaidBack_01 | hey, there's only 2 others in the quanta channel, so I'll ask here: What do I have to do to make the VPL editor work? it's always blank and non-responsive for me. |
| 18:53.24 | eisregen | LaidBack_01: NVU |
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| 18:54.08 | gumbagum | hi |
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| 18:54.17 | gumbagum | is t possible to use gnome icon themes under kde? |
| 18:54.43 | gumbagum | I found a theme on gnome-look that is so astonishing I just have to have it (: |
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| 18:58.10 | benJIman | gumbagum: the names will be all wrong, you could convert it |
| 18:58.14 | benJIman | gumbagum: what theme is this? |
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| 19:00.04 | Julianyus | hi |
| 19:00.45 | gumbagum | benJIman: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=15764 - it's called GNANT |
| 19:00.58 | gumbagum | benJIman: is there any tool to automaticly convert? |
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| 19:01.14 | benJIman | gumbagum: don't know |
| 19:01.39 | benJIman | hmm not keen on those icons myself, each to their own |
| 19:02.09 | chavo | gumbagum, there's no tool to convert |
| 19:02.29 | chavo | but there is a gant icon theme for KDE |
| 19:03.11 | LaidBack_01 | eisregen, don't know what that means, but I've solved the issue. |
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| 19:03.41 | gumbagum | chavo: you mean gnant? I can't find it on kde-look :/ |
| 19:03.52 | chavo | it's called umicons |
| 19:04.25 | chavo | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=7214 |
| 19:04.38 | gumbagum | yeah! |
| 19:04.45 | gumbagum | you're my new personal hero :) |
| 19:05.07 | chavo | Well, alright then. |
| 19:05.26 | gumbagum | in other words: thanks. |
| 19:05.33 | chavo | no problem |
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| 19:24.34 | flipe | hey people... give me a help? |
| 19:25.12 | pinotree | flipe: ask dude, if someone could reply you, he/she will reply |
| 19:25.43 | flipe | I try compile kdelis-3.4.2..... |
| 19:25.53 | flipe | but return this error! |
| 19:26.23 | flipe | kresolver_p.h:118: error: 'QMutex' is used as a type, but is not defined as a |
| 19:26.23 | flipe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:27.38 | flipe | a error with kresolver_p.h |
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| 19:33.11 | pinotree | flipe: tried adding #include <qmutex.h> in the header of the file ? |
| 19:34.28 | flipe | this yet have in the file! |
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| 19:35.14 | WorkRoey | hi! |
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| 19:35.28 | WorkRoey | does KDE have a program for connecting to a null modem |
| 19:35.38 | WorkRoey | like.. a serial comm program? |
| 19:35.42 | WorkRoey | minicom-like? |
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| 19:43.03 | Blissex | WorkRoey: use a non KDE program like Seyon |
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| 19:46.10 | WorkRoey | eeek |
| 19:46.13 | WorkRoey | but thanks blissex. |
| 19:46.25 | IceD^ | damn |
| 19:46.35 | IceD^ | can't understand nothing |
| 19:46.43 | IceD^ | (reading sources for last few hours) |
| 19:47.40 | IceD^ | why under kde some cursors (like hourglass and resizing) are not from cursor theme, bur from default X cursors |
| 19:47.56 | IceD^ | seems to be kwin problem |
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| 19:53.21 | Blissex | IceD^: well, it is a mad mess: cursors can be set by apps too. |
| 19:53.31 | Blissex | IceD^: and they can come from theme or from cursor font. |
| 19:53.40 | Blissex | IceD^: So don' expect a lot of consistency :-) |
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| 19:54.34 | IceD^ | Blissex: no no no |
| 19:54.48 | IceD^ | imagine simpe window e.g. kate |
| 19:54.55 | Blissex | IceD^: ah that's different. |
| 19:55.07 | IceD^ | when running under openbox window resize cursors are OK (means from theme) |
| 19:55.32 | IceD^ | when running under kde window resize cursors are from default X cursors set (black) |
| 19:55.40 | IceD^ | the same for waiting cursor |
| 19:55.45 | IceD^ | all others are OK |
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| 19:56.18 | IceD^ | in kcontrol (mouse module) all cursors displays OK (including resizing) |
| 19:57.26 | PupenoL | weird question, how do I log in to a M$ domain (to be able to access resources of other people using m$ stations in the office (hds, printers, etc)) ? |
| 19:58.15 | IceD^ | PupenoL: man smb.conf I think |
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| 19:58.48 | PupenoL | IceD^: do I have to run smb to log in to a domain ? |
| 19:59.05 | PupenoL | s/smb/samba/ |
| 19:59.16 | IceD^ | sure |
| 19:59.42 | IceD^ | to use smb protocol you need samba |
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| 20:03.41 | PupenoL | I've set it to domain, but, how do I log in ? |
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| 20:05.28 | Blissex | PupenoL: joining a domain is not trivial... Read very carefully the Samba domain HOWTO. |
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| 20:06.13 | PupenoL | ouch. |
| 20:06.36 | Blissex | PupenoL: once it is properly setup, you log in just by specifying user/password for each mount/connect. |
| 20:06.52 | PupenoL | Blissex: can kde handle that ? |
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| 20:07.04 | PupenoL | I ma accessing shares thru smb:// |
| 20:07.14 | Blissex | PupenoL: I think so (the connecting). But domains require a bit more config. |
| 20:07.32 | Blissex | PupenoL: KDE uses Samba to connect as client anyhow IIRC. |
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| 20:33.39 | xomp | so anyone available to help at the moment? |
| 20:33.51 | gaboo | xomp: what's your pb |
| 20:34.02 | xomp | could someone assist with this error -> http://pastebin.com/352517 |
| 20:34.06 | xomp | this is a fresh install of slackware 10.1 and I'm running whatever version comes with this version, I have no idea why I'm crashing nearly everytime I try to do anything. |
| 20:34.10 | xomp | all I tried doing was open a webpage in a new tab in konq. |
| 20:34.16 | xomp | all that ^^^ heh :) |
| 20:34.52 | oGALAXYo | xomp: thats a useless backtrace |
| 20:35.11 | gaboo | no idea xomp |
| 20:35.13 | gaboo | :/ |
| 20:35.24 | oGALAXYo | xomp: but you should try in #kde-devel again |
| 20:35.51 | xomp | I'm about to just throw windows back on lol, never thought I would have immediate crashing after install. |
| 20:36.09 | gaboo | arf |
| 20:36.25 | oGALAXYo | xomp: what kde version ? |
| 20:36.28 | xomp | I have yet to do anything but boot this box and anytime I try to do something, bam.. crash. |
| 20:36.29 | gaboo | xomp: try another distro :/ |
| 20:36.38 | oGALAXYo | no |
| 20:36.41 | xomp | oGALAXYo, which ever comes standard with slackware 10.1 :/ |
| 20:36.43 | oGALAXYo | before trying something else.. |
| 20:36.45 | oGALAXYo | hmmm |
| 20:36.47 | oGALAXYo | let me check |
| 20:36.48 | xomp | dunno which and dunno how to find out either lol. |
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| 20:37.38 | oGALAXYo | xomp: your kde is pretty new ... 3.4.2 |
| 20:37.49 | oGALAXYo | xomp: you shouldn't get any crashes... |
| 20:38.06 | oGALAXYo | xomp: maybe you like to repost your crashlog.. annma is here she might be helpful |
| 20:38.12 | xomp | well this thing likes to spite me I guess :/ |
| 20:38.20 | oGALAXYo | annma: http://pastebin.com/352517 |
| 20:38.28 | oGALAXYo | annma: he gets crashes with konq when opening new tabs. |
| 20:39.00 | annma | xomp: how did you install kde? |
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| 20:39.26 | oGALAXYo | annma: he installed standard slackware 10.1 |
| 20:39.27 | xomp | It happens the most when trying to open a new tab in Konq, I have had it happen once before by accidentally double-clicking my "Home" icon from the desktop but it doesn't seem to be doing that now. But for a guaranteed crash, all I have to do is browse to a site and right-click a link and choose "Open in new Tab" then, whammo, crashola :/ |
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| 20:39.46 | xomp | annma, yes, I did a full install of slackware 10.1 is all. |
| 20:39.55 | annma | did you try a new user? |
| 20:40.04 | xomp | then added my user account with 'adduser' and logged in, have been going crazy since heh |
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| 20:40.26 | annma | can you try root? |
| 20:40.39 | xomp | I'm not sure if I know how really ;/ |
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| 20:40.55 | xomp | do I need to log out of my current account? |
| 20:41.13 | xomp | or can I run konq from the terminal as root or something? heh (such a noob) |
| 20:41.15 | oGALAXYo | xomp: usually this helps.. go into kde control center and press 'default' on everything you see (also in dialogs) and then set it up again as you wish.. sometimes if there are no default values then things might act strange.. and yes dont login as root, try user. |
| 20:41.42 | annma | in a terminal |
| 20:41.49 | annma | su then konqueror |
| 20:41.55 | xomp | annma, ok, lemme try that real quick for you. |
| 20:42.02 | annma | when it crashes you'll get some output from konsole |
| 20:42.13 | annma | which might be more helpful than your backtrace |
| 20:42.30 | thechris | well, depending on distro, you won't be able to connect to an X server as root |
| 20:42.38 | xomp | ok, I'm in a root session in this terminal thingy, how would I start konq? |
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| 20:42.50 | annma | type konqueror in the konsole |
| 20:43.03 | xomp | bash: konqueror: command not found |
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| 20:43.07 | xomp | :-( strange lol |
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| 20:43.24 | thechris | not strange |
| 20:43.31 | thechris | it not in your path |
| 20:43.34 | thechris | you are root |
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| 20:44.08 | xomp | oh, (dunno what that means) :P |
| 20:44.09 | thechris | as a normal user, try: |
| 20:44.14 | thechris | kdesu konqueror |
| 20:44.43 | xomp | ah that works |
| 20:45.25 | xomp | ok, I was able to open a tab and it not crash on me |
| 20:45.59 | thechris | root typically cannot run GUI apps |
| 20:46.16 | thechris | and as such, /usr/X11/bin is not in the PATH |
| 20:46.29 | xomp | I've opened about 5 tabs now with no crashing. \o/ |
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| 20:46.39 | xomp | so am I to run konq this way from now on so's it doesn't crash? |
| 20:46.46 | annma | xomp: then it's your user |
| 20:46.49 | annma | try a new user |
| 20:46.50 | thechris | are you using it for the internet? |
| 20:47.01 | xomp | yes, using it for interenet. |
| 20:47.01 | oGALAXYo | xomp: no you shouldnt use konqueror that way. |
| 20:47.05 | thechris | xomp: then no |
| 20:47.06 | annma | no |
| 20:47.13 | annma | it was just a test |
| 20:47.16 | oGALAXYo | xomp: something with your setup is broken.. try a new user.. |
| 20:47.17 | xomp | oh ok |
| 20:47.20 | annma | but never do anything as root |
| 20:47.30 | thechris | running browsers as root is concidered a security risk |
| 20:47.35 | annma | xomp: your machine could be hacked if you're root |
| 20:47.45 | xomp | ok, so I would want to create another user. |
| 20:47.54 | annma | yes |
| 20:47.58 | annma | I would try that |
| 20:48.03 | thechris | how did you get into KDE? |
| 20:48.09 | xomp | startx |
| 20:48.11 | xomp | heh |
| 20:48.14 | thechris | as root? |
| 20:48.17 | annma | no, no |
| 20:48.22 | xomp | no, never logged in as root before |
| 20:48.23 | annma | the root thing was my idea |
| 20:48.28 | annma | for a test |
| 20:48.37 | xomp | well, never logged into kde as root, only as my user account. |
| 20:48.45 | thechris | i mean, he is logged in as a non root user right |
| 20:48.47 | xomp | correct |
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| 20:48.48 | annma | yes |
| 20:49.05 | annma | everything else in kde works well, xomp? |
| 20:49.07 | thechris | and what was the issue running konqueror as a non-root user |
| 20:49.16 | annma | crash when using a tab |
| 20:49.25 | annma | crash when opening an url in new tab |
| 20:49.25 | xomp | annma, appears so :) |
| 20:50.40 | xomp | I'm here via tightvnc, could that be a problem? |
| 20:50.40 | annma | hey, dunno |
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| 20:50.41 | xomp | I mean that, I remote my slackware machine from my windows box. |
| 20:50.41 | thechris | hmm. what distro? |
| 20:50.41 | xomp | slackware 10.1 |
| 20:50.41 | annma | slackware |
| 20:50.41 | thechris | xomp: that shouldn't matter |
| 20:50.46 | annma | did you look at slackware forums for the same kind of issue? |
| 20:50.48 | xomp | oh ok, just wanted to add that bit of info just in case :) |
| 20:51.24 | xomp | annma, no ma'am, I have really just lived with it until now :-) |
| 20:51.40 | xomp | I don't know were these forum things are anyways lol. |
| 20:51.42 | xomp | I'm such an idiot |
| 20:51.50 | annma | I would look there first then try a brand new user |
| 20:52.01 | annma | don't say that |
| 20:52.15 | annma | everybody had to learn one day |
| 20:52.38 | xomp | hehe yeah, I've used slackware before and really like it. Just linux is very hard to learn for me. |
| 20:52.46 | xomp | this dog can't learn new tricks that easy. |
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| 20:53.04 | oGALAXYo | xomp: try knoppix or suse next time.. |
| 20:53.14 | xomp | and I love KDE, won't have any other windows managers installed other than it :) |
| 20:53.50 | annma | what I usually do when I see such problem is to google for it |
| 20:53.56 | xomp | I've tried knoppix before (live cd IIRC of debian) didn't much like it's speed all that much (considering it's a live distro :P). |
| 20:54.04 | annma | I see sevral crashes issues but not yours |
| 20:54.34 | xomp | annma, yeah, my googling abilities are awfull. I usually get some kind of irrelevant search result hah. |
| 20:54.54 | xomp | but I'm a firm believer in google first, ask later. Just figured I would pop in with this one as I'm very lazy and tired today heh. |
| 20:54.59 | annma | it's more useful on ardware problems in fact |
| 20:55.10 | annma | hardware |
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| 20:55.57 | calr0x | Any idea why smb mounts no longer show up under media:/? |
| 20:56.15 | annma | what kde version? |
| 20:56.22 | calr0x | 3.4.2 bud |
| 20:56.26 | xomp | thanks for the help everybody, I appreciate it :) I have to get ready for a date with my old lady :) |
| 20:56.34 | annma | :) he he |
| 20:56.39 | annma | don;t make her wait |
| 20:56.47 | xomp | I'll be the one waiting no doubt :P |
| 20:56.50 | annma | lol |
| 20:56.51 | calr0x | also 1 ntfs partitoin shows but the other does not any longer (where before they all did) |
| 20:56.53 | xomp | thanks again \o |
| 20:57.06 | calr0x | both are currently mounted |
| 20:57.13 | annma | calr0x: no longer? what do you mean? |
| 20:57.34 | calr0x | annma: media:/ used to show all this before, at some point it stopped |
| 20:57.46 | annma | at some point in the same kde version? |
| 20:57.51 | calr0x | annma: ya |
| 20:58.04 | annma | you probably messed something |
| 20:58.13 | annma | what happens in media:/ then now? |
| 20:58.54 | calr0x | now it shows floppy/cds/boot/ and 1 of the 2 ntfs partitions mounted and NONE of the smb mounts |
| 20:59.29 | Kyaneos | hi |
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| 21:00.24 | annma | you did not uninstall any samba packages? |
| 21:01.00 | calr0x | nope but i JUSt thought of that too, gonna redo em |
| 21:01.03 | calr0x | just to be safe |
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| 21:02.25 | GhostShot | hallo |
| 21:02.32 | calr0x | annma: odd it would work as far as accessing the share, yet not work in media:/ however |
| 21:03.07 | annma | try a new user maybe to see if it's a setting |
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| 21:03.16 | annma | I would not know which one though |
| 21:04.37 | calr0x | "An error occurred while loading media:/sda1: |
| 21:04.38 | calr0x | The file or folder media:/sda1 does not exist." |
| 21:04.49 | calr0x | thats if i type "media:/sda1" into konq |
| 21:04.51 | annma | ah |
| 21:05.07 | annma | is sda1 plugged? |
| 21:05.13 | calr0x | doesnt tell me anything tho as i can access it fine |
| 21:05.24 | calr0x | this is strictly apearing to be a kde thing |
| 21:05.59 | annma | try a new user |
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| 21:14.03 | Alethes | can somebody please work 24/7 on 3.5 so I can have it at a release quality by monday? :) |
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| 21:15.19 | aalbertson | I'm having an issue getting my PCMCIA NIC to show up in my KDE user account. it works great in root but not user |
| 21:15.24 | annma | Alethes: well, get svn now, it compiles |
| 21:15.39 | annma | aalbertson: permission problem |
| 21:15.40 | Alethes | I would, but I'm on dialup so it's not worth the trouble :P |
| 21:15.42 | Alethes | I can wai |
| 21:15.46 | Alethes | t |
| 21:15.46 | Alethes | I'm just messin' |
| 21:15.48 | annma | ;) |
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| 21:16.05 | annma | I fear however that devels are too focused on kde4 |
| 21:16.17 | aalbertson | what do I need to do to fix that? I'm really new |
| 21:16.20 | annma | to deliver an outstandingg kde3.5 |
| 21:16.30 | annma | aalbertson: ask in your distro channel |
| 21:16.34 | annma | what is your distro? |
| 21:16.51 | aalbertson | well it's the auditor knoppix distro |
| 21:16.57 | annma | knoppix/ |
| 21:17.07 | annma | live CD? |
| 21:17.21 | aalbertson | yes but I installed it to my HD |
| 21:17.46 | annma | weew |
| 21:17.59 | annma | ask in #knoppix |
| 21:18.00 | aalbertson | is that a problem? |
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| 21:18.05 | aalbertson | ok thanks |
| 21:18.11 | annma | well it's more a live CD than a distro |
| 21:18.22 | annma | that means there are no updates for it |
| 21:18.29 | annma | you have to take debian packages |
| 21:18.51 | annma | mandriva is very good for newbies |
| 21:19.23 | aalbertson | really? |
| 21:19.29 | aalbertson | maybe I'll check it out |
| 21:19.48 | aalbertson | I'm running on a laptop. I don't imagine I should have many troubles? |
| 21:20.34 | Tm_T | aalbertson: Kubuntu \o/ |
| 21:20.42 | aalbertson | do I have to buy mandriva? |
| 21:20.58 | aalbertson | yeah I d/led Kubunut but haven't tried it yet |
| 21:21.17 | annma | oh, try it then |
| 21:21.22 | aalbertson | is there a way I can have it on my windows pc and sintall it there? |
| 21:21.27 | annma | you vcan download isos for mandriva |
| 21:21.28 | aalbertson | I've use Ubuntu |
| 21:21.32 | aalbertson | ok |
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| 21:22.43 | annma | kubuntu would be less trouble than knoppix |
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| 21:23.23 | DaSkreech | Ktown puts up the talks the day after they are given? |
| 21:23.41 | Kel_Sceptic | need some help please with compiling kdewebdevi get this message In file included from xsldbgthread.cpp:20: |
| 21:23.41 | Kel_Sceptic | xsldbg.h:57:9: #error "WITH_DEBUGGER MACRO not defined in libxslt maybe you've disable debugger in libxslt." "if your are sure then disable this check by defining WITH_FORCE_DEBUGGER. eg.\n" "\nmake CFLAGS=\"$CFLAGS -D FORCE_DEBUGGER\""... and don't know where to define FORCE_DEBUGGER |
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| 21:24.13 | aalbertson | alright I'll give kubunut a try |
| 21:24.51 | Kel_Sceptic | btw: personal distro - KDE 3.4.2 |
| 21:25.11 | annma | DaSkreech: they put them when they can |
| 21:25.21 | annma | DaSkreech: what talk is not there and you want/ |
| 21:26.24 | Tm_T | aalbertson: good choice ;) |
| 21:27.40 | aalbertson | thanks Tm_T |
| 21:27.59 | aalbertson | I assume I can come back here for more questions? |
| 21:28.45 | aalbertson | :D |
| 21:28.50 | annma | yes, kde questions |
| 21:28.57 | aalbertson | k thanks |
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| 21:32.03 | Kel_Sceptic | help |
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| 21:36.20 | DaSkreech | The http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Marketing+For+Geeks+Talk talk |
| 21:36.23 | Tm_T | aalbertson: "kubuntu can help you too ;) |
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| 21:36.31 | aalbertson | thanks |
| 21:36.33 | Tm_T | s/"/# |
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| 21:40.24 | Xanthus7 | can I get some help with kde |
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| 21:54.28 | Xanthus7 | ANYONE HERE |
| 21:54.38 | HilBilly | nope |
| 21:54.42 | HilBilly | just us ghosts |
| 21:55.09 | Xanthus7 | I need some help please |
| 21:55.17 | DaSkreech | Hey! us bots plotting are here as well |
| 21:55.22 | DaSkreech | Xanthus7: On? |
| 21:55.27 | HilBilly | true .. forgot about you eggies |
| 21:55.39 | HilBilly | best way to get help is to ask your question |
| 21:55.47 | frb-work | or send us beer |
| 21:55.52 | Xanthus7 | I goofed up and took the control off my right click mouse button how do I get it back |
| 21:55.54 | HilBilly | ewwww |
| 21:56.07 | Xanthus7 | Send the beer LOL |
| 21:56.57 | Xanthus7 | no seems to know how to fix that |
| 21:57.38 | HilBilly | I don't know how you "took control off your mouse" |
| 21:57.49 | DaSkreech | What did you do? |
| 21:57.51 | HilBilly | did you break your finger? |
| 21:58.00 | Xanthus7 | I right clicked |
| 21:58.48 | Xanthus7 | then I changed the right click button so it now opens my k menu |
| 21:59.06 | Xanthus7 | I now have no clue how to get it back to default |
| 21:59.13 | HilBilly | if I right click, I see creat new, bookmarks, run command, etc |
| 21:59.29 | HilBilly | did you look in control panel? |
| 21:59.51 | Xanthus7 | correct which is what is suppsoe to be but now if I right click I see my k menu |
| 22:00.14 | DaSkreech | Use the kK menu and open the Control Panel |
| 22:00.15 | gmg9 | goto kcontrol > peripherals > mouse |
| 22:00.54 | gmg9 | then change the behaviour of the mouse buttons |
| 22:00.55 | Xanthus7 | where is kcontrol |
| 22:01.20 | HilBilly | click K, then control center |
| 22:02.24 | gmg9 | Xanthus7 : sorry, that will not works, my mistake |
| 22:02.41 | gmg9 | but its must somewhere in the kcontrol |
| 22:03.44 | gmg9 | got it, kcontrol > desktop > behaviour |
| 22:04.10 | gmg9 | change the " Mouse button actions " |
| 22:05.21 | Xanthus7 | Got thank you |
| 22:06.13 | Xanthus7 | now last question hopefully it is easy too I want to change my font text size this is to small for my old eyes how and where do I do this |
| 22:07.41 | gmg9 | surf the kcontrol, u will find it yr self :) |
| 22:07.47 | DaSkreech | I think that can be done in the Kcontrol as well |
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| 22:08.19 | gmg9 | anyway, kcontrol > Apearence & Themes > Fonts |
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| 22:13.16 | calr0x | I have 2 ntfs drives mounted ad /mnt/c and /mnt/e, only c shows up in media when mounted. Any idea why? |
| 22:13.23 | calr0x | s/ad/as |
| 22:13.37 | calr0x | both ntfs and fstab entries are largely identical |
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| 22:14.12 | Xanthus7 | that changed some fonts but not the one I needed changed |
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| 22:14.41 | Xanthus7 | like when I open termal the letters are so small there I can barley read them |
| 22:15.40 | Xanthus7 | like here when I type the lettering is so small I can barley read it |
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| 22:17.35 | adamt | you can change font-sizes ind kcontrol |
| 22:18.09 | adamt | appearance & themes > fonts |
| 22:18.48 | adamt | lol, lilo is here.. hmm |
| 22:19.43 | PhilRod | Xanthus7: which fonts do you want to change? |
| 22:20.58 | Xanthus7 | the font I want to change is when I open up termanal the text is so small there |
| 22:21.29 | adamt | right click > settings > font |
| 22:21.31 | Xanthus7 | I would like to enlarge that type to like a 12 or 14 size |
| 22:21.51 | adamt | and then right click > settings > save as default |
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| 22:22.50 | Xanthus7 | where do I right click on when I right click on desktop I do not get that |
| 22:23.10 | adamt | right click in the terminal where the fonts are too small |
| 22:23.21 | adamt | - i suppose you are using Konsole |
| 22:23.41 | Xanthus7 | yes |
| 22:23.50 | Xanthus7 | is there another one |
| 22:24.03 | adamt | another what? |
| 22:24.07 | Xanthus7 | no kcontrol |
| 22:24.56 | Xanthus7 | when I right click in termal I do not get setting |
| 22:25.07 | PhilRod | then use the settings menu |
| 22:25.23 | PhilRod | ooh, in svn is has "enlarge font" and "reduce font" entries |
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| 22:25.31 | calr0x | anyone familiar w/ media:/ ? |
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| 22:25.44 | PhilRod | calr0x: some people are - just ask |
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| 22:26.04 | calr0x | ya I did already =P |
| 22:26.55 | adamt | calr0x: problem is, we don't know the question :P |
| 22:28.54 | dystopianray | does anyone know what 'kopete' actually means? :s |
| 22:28.59 | calr0x | alrighty! heh Basically media isnt showing everything anymore for some unknown reason. I have 2 NTFS partitions with identical fstab entries (aside from the mountpoints) yet only 1 shows. SMB shares used to show and dont anymore. Yet browsing works in konq etc |
| 22:29.27 | calr0x | I should say smb mounts.. |
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| 22:31.32 | calr0x | where does media: get its info from? |
| 22:31.49 | jatos | fstab one suspects |
| 22:31.56 | PhilRod | dystopianray: kopete.kde.org should tell you |
| 22:32.07 | dystopianray | yeah fstab or hald |
| 22:32.13 | jatos | hald? |
| 22:32.31 | calr0x | hmm |
| 22:33.02 | dystopianray | hald is a daemon that updates fstab when new devices are inserted,a nd lets users mount them, basically just auto detects new devices and allows users to use them straight away |
| 22:33.04 | calr0x | fstab is accurate as the 2 ntfs partitions ar emounted yet only 1 shows |
| 22:33.24 | adamt | what about mstab ? |
| 22:33.38 | calr0x | /dev/hda3 /mnt/c ntfs ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0227,user=calvin 0 0 |
| 22:33.41 | calr0x | /dev/sda1 /mnt/e ntfs ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0227,user=calvin 0 0 |
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| 22:33.53 | calr0x | both mounted and showing up.. media only shows /mnt/c tho |
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| 22:34.39 | calr0x | no smb mounts show anymore either and they show in mtab as well |
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| 22:45.31 | m1lkc0w | Ouch. it's late... |
| 22:45.35 | adamt | and why should we do that? |
| 22:46.36 | ysm | I think he forgot the / |
| 22:46.50 | adamt | ohh |
| 22:47.09 | dystopianray | it is 8:17am here :D |
| 22:47.26 | adamt | 0048am in denmark |
| 22:47.42 | m1lkc0w | forgot the slash, yes. |
| 22:48.22 | m1lkc0w | dystopianray: Asia? |
| 22:48.44 | dystopianray | australia |
| 22:48.54 | PhilRod | west coast? |
| 22:50.51 | wsjunior | is there a kmail channel? |
| 22:50.59 | dystopianray | south australia |
| 22:51.18 | m1lkc0w | dystopianray: Nice. |
| 22:52.21 | dystopianray | m1lkc0w: yourself? |
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| 22:52.33 | LaidBack_01 | hey is there a kind of network browser in kde like there is in gnome? |
| 22:53.12 | gmg9 | network browser ? |
| 22:53.26 | dystopianray | lan:/ ? |
| 22:53.30 | LaidBack_01 | yeah |
| 22:53.38 | dystopianray | yeah, try lan:/ :D |
| 22:53.39 | m1lkc0w | dystopianray: Switzerland. Opposite side of the planet |
| 22:53.42 | wsjunior | knetattach ? |
| 22:54.17 | gmg9 | kde or gnome down not matter for lan:/ |
| 22:54.24 | LaidBack_01 | in gnome theres a piece a lot like My Network Places in M$, but it just browses windows networks. It's really handy for me being the ONLY linux user in a network of 50 windows desktops when I need to get some stuff of the main server. |
| 22:54.31 | gmg9 | just type lan:/ in any browser |
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| 22:54.49 | calr0x | O.o |
| 22:55.05 | dystopianray | LaidBack_01: jsut for windows try smb:/ |
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| 22:56.50 | calr0x | UPDATE: I did alot of revdep shiz the other day and believe kdelibs needs rebuilding as im having KDED issues now.. Ill update more as I know |
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| 22:57.53 | fernando | help, kids: how to fix desktop icons under kde3.4. |
| 22:58.17 | PhilRod | what's broken? |
| 22:59.08 | adamt | kids? .. hmm |
| 22:59.21 | LaidBack_01 | dystopianray, beautiful! it's really really fast too - compared with the gnome version ;) |
| 22:59.44 | dystopianray | :D |
| 22:59.46 | dystopianray | it just uses samba :p |
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| 23:00.37 | fernando | I tried chmod 666* as root at /home/fernando/Desktop. it works partial |
| 23:01.02 | fernando | any help? |
| 23:02.04 | fernando | some icons has been unmoved after reboot and others are still moving to another place! |
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| 23:02.40 | LaidBack_01 | dystopianray, yeah, I don't doubt that, but something is different, the gnome system has such a hard time navigating the windows servers... this one doesn't. |
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| 23:04.10 | dystopianray | LaidBack_01: gnome is spending too much time applying it's global brown filter on everything on teh screen ;) |
| 23:04.13 | fernando | could you help me, adam to fix kde desktop icons position |
| 23:05.16 | fernando | adamt: can you? |
| 23:05.26 | adamt | hmm |
| 23:05.39 | adamt | is it the bug that changes the position everytime you log in? |
| 23:05.48 | fernando | adamt: have you solved it? |
| 23:05.50 | dystopianray | I think ther eis actually? |
| 23:06.01 | dystopianray | I remember seeing something about that in the commit digest |
| 23:06.11 | adamt | dystopianray: yes |
| 23:06.20 | adamt | fernando: solved it? i'm not a developer |
| 23:07.31 | adamt | don't confuse me with manyoso - Adam Treat |
| 23:07.48 | adamt | i only reasently found out that my nick could be confused with him. |
| 23:08.29 | fernando | adamt: i tried as root chmod 666*(why 666, the number of the beast) at my home Desktop folder |
| 23:08.56 | adamt | what do you want to do? |
| 23:09.38 | adamt | if you want everybody to get read/write access to that folder you need to give the same permissions to your users folder |
| 23:09.41 | fernando | adamt: fix desktop icons |
| 23:10.03 | adamt | sorry, i don't know what your problem is.. |
| 23:10.06 | fernando | adamt: I know that! |
| 23:10.50 | fernando | adamt; at every reboot, my desktop icons are not at the same place! |
| 23:11.40 | fernando | adamt: If you don't know how to do that, forget. Thank you! |
| 23:11.51 | frb-work | how rude |
| 23:12.18 | fernando | adamt; This is a kde bug, isn't it? |
| 23:12.31 | dystopianray | I think it's fixed in svn |
| 23:12.33 | PhilRod | fernando: old bug, fixed in svn |
| 23:12.46 | adamt | fernando: yes, kde bug |
| 23:13.06 | adamt | why did you start asking me anyway? |
| 23:14.04 | dystopianray | you have an important looking name :D |
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| 23:14.31 | fernando | because i called everyome "kids" and you answered: kids? ...hmm |
| 23:15.27 | adamt | it was just an almost silent objektion to calling everyone kids |
| 23:15.55 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 23:16.06 | adamt | hi |
| 23:16.06 | fernando | PhIIRod: What is "svn" ? |
| 23:16.11 | adamt | fernando: subversion |
| 23:16.13 | fernando | hi |
| 23:16.25 | elvirolo | is there a place where i can fill in a feature request for Kmail (bugzilla, mailing-list) ? |
| 23:16.26 | adamt | the place where the things are going on with the code ;) |
| 23:16.34 | adamt | bugs.kde.org |
| 23:16.42 | elvirolo | thanks |
| 23:16.57 | fernando | thanks, adamt!! |
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| 23:17.13 | dystopianray | those applet dividers are so ugly :( |
| 23:17.19 | elvirolo | it's just that i'd like to see thunderbird-style accounts in kmail |
| 23:17.24 | dystopianray | and when I hover over them sometimes they get stuck :s and uglify my taskbar :s |
| 23:17.39 | adamt | dystopianray: then set them to "hidden" |
| 23:18.05 | dystopianray | adamt: no they are hidden, but when I hover over them sometimes, they get stuck, and I have to hover over them to get them to disappear again, :( |
| 23:18.33 | dystopianray | there should be an option 'never appear' :D |
| 23:18.59 | adamt | or even better; an option "stop being buggy" [yes|no|random] |
| 23:19.08 | dystopianray | :D |
| 23:19.15 | dystopianray | random is cool :) |
| 23:19.26 | dystopianray | kde should have a screen saver that randomly does little demos of cool features :D |
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| 23:21.31 | dystopianray | maybe like, that tip of the day thing? but in screensaver form, and with action live action demos of the feature :D |
| 23:21.40 | adamt | yeah |
| 23:21.53 | dystopianray | you like the idea? |
| 23:21.58 | adamt | and we could create an interactive KDE-intro at the same time |
| 23:22.07 | pusling | dystopianray: report it as wishlist item ? ;) |
| 23:22.08 | dystopianray | yeah :D |
| 23:22.11 | dystopianray | ok :D |
| 23:22.25 | dystopianray | but seriously, people think it is good? |
| 23:22.32 | adamt | no idea |
| 23:22.42 | dystopianray | I think it will be fun, and help noobs :D |
| 23:23.12 | dystopianray | I'll file a wishlist right now |
| 23:23.12 | pusling | yeah - just show the kicker-actions ;) |
| 23:23.30 | adamt | pusling: what kicker-actions? |
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| 23:23.40 | m1lkc0w | pusling: Given that a large part og Web is pr0n (so I've been told), I guess you're not using this screensaver in the office? |
| 23:23.47 | dystopianray | oh, or tip of the day could have a 'demonstrate' button that shows the feature :D |
| 23:23.59 | adamt | yeah. good idea. |
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| 23:24.14 | aynjell | Howdy y'all. |
| 23:24.23 | pusling | m1lkc0w: nope ;) But I startet using it when people were complaining about porn ;) |
| 23:24.24 | dystopianray | becuase noobs will think 'what is kicker? :s' |
| 23:24.27 | adamt | but i think they're working on som multimedia-documentation already |
| 23:24.38 | pusling | adamt: wow. wrong thing - klipper-actions ;) |
| 23:24.48 | adamt | ohh |
| 23:24.58 | adamt | i don't even have klipper... lol |
| 23:25.06 | dystopianray | klipper sucks :p |
| 23:25.34 | aynjell | Hey, what's teh default kde chatter? |
| 23:25.35 | pusling | adamt: mark an url in konsole - and klipper asks you if you want to open it in mozilla, firefox or konqueror ... |
| 23:25.39 | dystopianray | would it be a documentation team wishlist item? |
| 23:25.42 | aynjell | Like, QT based GAIM equivelent... |
| 23:25.42 | adamt | see?!? you made jatos and mankind cry and run away.. |
| 23:25.51 | dystopianray | aynjell: kopete |
| 23:25.55 | aynjell | Thanks. |
| 23:26.15 | aynjell | I'll merge that right away... |
| 23:26.16 | adamt | dystopianray: no idea.. i got no clue |
| 23:26.18 | m1lkc0w | My screensaver is a simple text: "Screen saved" |
| 23:26.30 | adamt | mine is just a blank screen |
| 23:26.43 | dystopianray | mine is blank too :) |
| 23:26.55 | m1lkc0w | adamt: Being Swiss, I compromise on everything... |
| 23:26.59 | dystopianray | I have DPMS set to turn off my monitor after 10 mins of screensaver :D |
| 23:28.15 | m1lkc0w | So... let me get this straight... your computers look like they've been turned off??? How do you impress girls/neighbors/friends then? |
| 23:28.32 | adamt | m1lkc0w: touch the mouse |
| 23:28.34 | dystopianray | m1lkc0w: geeks dont' have girls :( |
| 23:28.38 | adamt | *do'h* |
| 23:28.45 | m1lkc0w | Forgot |
| 23:28.59 | dystopianray | or just say it already calculated the whole matrix, and so it's just blank atm ;) |
| 23:30.40 | elvirolo | i'm not familiar with voting on bugzilla ... if a feature request gets say 50 votes, will it have a change to get implemented ? |
| 23:31.05 | elvirolo | chance* |
| 23:31.19 | Dhraakellian | elvirolo, all it does is tell the devs that a lot of people want it enough to spend votes on it |
| 23:31.45 | Dhraakellian | what they do then is up to them |
| 23:31.49 | elvirolo | Dhraakellian: yes, but in practice, in 50 a big number or not ? |
| 23:32.01 | Dhraakellian | not sure |
| 23:32.14 | elvirolo | cause if this particular feature is not implemented, i'm not going to bother to use kmail |
| 23:32.34 | Dhraakellian | 20 is the max per person per bug report, iirc |
| 23:32.42 | adamt | m1lkc0w: my girlfriend is arriving tomorrow ;) |
| 23:32.45 | elvirolo | yes it is |
| 23:32.57 | m1lkc0w | adamt: Mine is asleep |
| 23:33.23 | elvirolo | Mine is ... wait ... doesn't exist |
| 23:33.23 | adamt | soo.. conclusion: some geeks/nerds do have girlfriends. |
| 23:33.36 | m1lkc0w | elvirolo: What feature are you missing? |
| 23:34.06 | dystopianray | konq needs automatic url number incrementing :D |
| 23:34.08 | pusling | elvirolo: look at this one: 669 votes, patch for kde 3.1 - and still not implemented... |
| 23:34.12 | pusling | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59481 |
| 23:34.31 | dystopianray | so I don't have to use both my hands to browse, ... err.. picture galleries with similarly named images ;) |
| 23:34.38 | elvirolo | m1lkc0w: thunderbird-style accounts ... although the way kmails currently handles identities makes it quite flexible, it takes me too long to configure my many many accounts |
| 23:35.03 | dystopianray | elvirolo: do it once, then save your config |
| 23:35.13 | benJIman | why do you need an advanced text editor for your mail client? |
| 23:35.23 | elvirolo | so i'd like to have different profiles, each whith their own inbox outbox, pop/imap server, email address, etc ... |
| 23:35.27 | benJIman | it doesn't really need syntax highlighting and code folding |
| 23:35.32 | aynjell | What's better, ktorrent or qtorrent? |
| 23:35.32 | adamt | dystopianray: and konqueror needs a plugin that counts the number of tits that has been shown i total.. ehh |
| 23:35.38 | elvirolo | dystopianray: yes, well ... i *could* do that |
| 23:35.42 | dystopianray | :D |
| 23:35.46 | m1lkc0w | elvirolo: My Emacs/GNUS config is about 1'500 lines of LISP. Now *that* is long to configure. |
| 23:35.49 | pusling | benJIman: I need it ;) and 669 other people ... |
| 23:35.55 | dystopianray | iirc, there is a firefox plugin that does it :D |
| 23:36.13 | benJIman | pusling: why? |
| 23:36.20 | elvirolo | m1lkc0w: i suppose we don't have the same priorities ;-) |
| 23:36.24 | Dhraakellian | dystopianray, yes, Link Toolbar |
| 23:36.39 | Dhraakellian | which is a heckuva lot better than Konqi's Document Relations Toolbar |
| 23:36.51 | elvirolo | and is there a plugin similiar to adblock for firefox availible for konqueror ? |
| 23:37.01 | pusling | benJIman: quick regexp search/replace, smaal code-changins in emails and ... |
| 23:37.01 | adamt | elvirolo: from version 3.5 |
| 23:37.03 | m1lkc0w | elvirolo: I am picky when it comes to email. I care about every single header, formatting, choice of signature per adressee, etc.. |
| 23:37.06 | dystopianray | elvirolo: look at svn :D has adblock integrated in konq :D |
| 23:37.13 | Alethes | heh |
| 23:37.16 | Alethes | Dhraakellian: is that thing even taken seriously? |
| 23:37.35 | pusling | benJIman: and not having :wq written all over my emails ,) |
| 23:37.35 | elvirolo | again, i love kmail/konqueror because they're well integrated with kde, but i find thunderbird and firefox easier to use |
| 23:37.39 | Dhraakellian | Alethes, not by anyone of whom I know |
| 23:37.45 | dystopianray | hurray, bug report sent :) |
| 23:37.53 | benJIman | pusling: if you're coding in your emails you could compose them in a seperate app, the katepart for example takes quite a while to load here |
| 23:37.55 | Alethes | heh |
| 23:38.13 | dystopianray | use kedit :D |
| 23:38.15 | Alethes | I couldn't believe how hideous that thing was when I first installed KDE |
| 23:38.17 | adamt | elvirolo: use dcop and a shellscript to create many similairy things :P |
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| 23:38.27 | m1lkc0w | elvirolo: I agree that Thunderbird fits most needs in terms of email account management. And yes, it is much simpler. |
| 23:38.31 | pusling | benJIman: if katepart/yzispart is loaded when I start kmail, it would not be that slow .. |
| 23:38.33 | dystopianray | whatever happened to the kde vim thing? it sucks :( |
| 23:38.47 | elvirolo | dystopianray: well, of course i _don't_ want te be using svn :-D |
| 23:38.51 | Dhraakellian | dystopianray, kvim? |
| 23:38.58 | Dhraakellian | it's actually behaving rather well for me |
| 23:38.58 | benJIman | i'm not sure the majority of users want to wait 5s extra to start their mail client |
| 23:39.02 | dystopianray | the vim text editing kpart |
| 23:39.04 | pusling | dystopianray: mikmak couldn't fix it, so he wrote yzis instead. |
| 23:39.08 | elvirolo | i mean, i *can* live with banner ads, but i'm so use to adblock... |
| 23:39.09 | dystopianray | yzis? |
| 23:39.11 | Dhraakellian | I just had to put a working font in my .gvimrc |
| 23:39.12 | ranto | is there a subversion front end for kde? |
| 23:39.42 | adamt | dystopianray: the successor to kvim |
| 23:39.47 | Dhraakellian | last I checked, yzis wasn't that usable for me |
| 23:39.49 | elvirolo | ranto: kdesvn lol |
| 23:39.54 | m1lkc0w | Instead of loading vim into KDE, can we load KDE into Emacs? |
| 23:40.10 | dystopianray | :D |
| 23:40.11 | pusling | m1lkc0w: I do not have 8 fingers on each hand .. |
| 23:40.11 | elvirolo | ranto: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=26589 |
| 23:40.21 | Dhraakellian | m1lkc0w, you have just outlined the fundamental difference between Vim and emacs |
| 23:40.21 | ranto | elvirolo: :D |
| 23:40.23 | dystopianray | somebody should port KDE to ipodlinux :D |
| 23:40.28 | ranto | elvirolo: thanks |
| 23:40.38 | Dhraakellian | if you want to integrate your text editor into your IDE, use vim |
| 23:40.40 | m1lkc0w | Dhraakellian: ;-) |
| 23:40.54 | Dhraakellian | if you want to integrate your IDE into your text editor, use emacs |
| 23:40.55 | elvirolo | ok, ok, i'm off to set up all my email accounts in Kmail ... i just have to find a way of importing my thunderbird messages |
| 23:41.01 | elvirolo | ranto: np :) |
| 23:41.01 | dystopianray | the kde clock sucks, it's not vertically aligned :( |
| 23:41.14 | elvirolo | ranto: just saw it on kde-apps a few minutes ago |
| 23:41.15 | adamt | dystopianray: use styleclock then |
| 23:41.15 | dystopianray | that couple extra pixels of space ont eh bottom is driving me insane x_x |
| 23:41.23 | dystopianray | styleclock? |
| 23:41.32 | adamt | is the new clock for kde4 |
| 23:41.39 | dystopianray | I only got kde 3 :( |
| 23:41.44 | adamt | doesn't matter |
| 23:41.51 | ranto | elvirolo: connected comunity :P |
| 23:41.51 | adamt | i run it with 3.4.2 |
| 23:41.57 | dystopianray | :D |
| 23:41.59 | dystopianray | what does it do? |
| 23:42.04 | adamt | - it's just a kicker-plugin |
| 23:42.09 | adamt | dystopianray: shots the clock ;) |
| 23:42.09 | m1lkc0w | elvirolo: Could you script the account generation part of kmailrc? |
| 23:42.36 | dystopianray | kmail should have a thunderbird accounts import plugin :D |
| 23:42.51 | elvirolo | m1lkc0w: what what ? |
| 23:43.00 | dystopianray | I shall emerge styleclock |
| 23:43.07 | elvirolo | yes it should |
| 23:43.42 | m1lkc0w | elvirolo: .kde/share/config/kmailrc is not *that* complicated. I guess you could write most parts using a script. |
| 23:43.42 | dystopianray | can it do plain text, vertically aligned clock? |
| 23:43.49 | elvirolo | i get *thousands* of web pages explaining how to import kmail messages into thunderbird but not the other way round ... hum ... i wonder why :-D |
| 23:43.56 | adamt | with the right styles i suppoes |
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| 23:43.58 | adamt | *suppose |
| 23:44.01 | dystopianray | preferable one that will scale the text size to the taskbar size :D |
| 23:44.03 | elvirolo | m1lkc0w: i'll have a look at it thanks |
| 23:44.04 | adamt | *theme |
| 23:44.19 | adamt | dystopianray: haven't played that much with it |
| 23:44.27 | Dhraakellian | elcuco, because kmail has a wizard thingy for importing? |
| 23:44.28 | dystopianray | use sed :D |
| 23:44.32 | adamt | i just uses a plain analog clock |
| 23:44.40 | dystopianray | convert your thunderbird config to kmail in one big regex :) |
| 23:44.51 | elcuco | Dhraakellian: ...? |
| 23:45.15 | Dhraakellian | I don't know what importing to TB is like, so I can't really compare it |
| 23:45.35 | m1lkc0w | Actually, kmailrc is fairly trivial. You could write that in a foreach (email-address) loop... |
| 23:45.37 | Dhraakellian | but doing it with kmail is just a matter of using the import tool and then moving and renaming |
| 23:45.47 | Dhraakellian | it's the moving and renaming part that bugs me |
| 23:46.05 | elvirolo | oh my god ... true i *don't* have a girlfriend, but that does not imply that i am a nerd/geek, what the heck is regexp ? |
| 23:46.13 | elvirolo | oh, regular expressions perhaps? |
| 23:46.18 | adamt | yes |
| 23:46.29 | adamt | :) |
| 23:46.31 | dystopianray | :D |
| 23:46.33 | elvirolo | :-D |
| 23:46.38 | frb-work | I'm a nerd, geek, and a dork, and I have a very attractive girlfriend, so what's your point? |
| 23:46.41 | dystopianray | yes regular expressions :) |
| 23:46.41 | dystopianray | they're cool |
| 23:46.50 | dystopianray | I shall compose a regex that converts thunderbirdrc to kmailrc :D |
| 23:46.59 | elvirolo | the only thing i know about regular expressions is that they exist. |
| 23:46.59 | dystopianray | or whatever tb has |
| 23:47.01 | elvirolo | well |
| 23:47.02 | frb-work | dystopianray: in javascript |
| 23:47.08 | m1lkc0w | elvirolo: There is no documentation about importing Thinderbird into KMAIL because it just works ;-) |
| 23:47.15 | dystopianray | you need glasses :D |
| 23:47.30 | elvirolo | you can use them to manipulate strings right ? like s/foo/bar |
| 23:47.35 | adamt | yeah |
| 23:48.00 | elvirolo | hey,most of my friends are girls |
| 23:48.09 | elvirolo | actually, nearly *all* of them are |
| 23:48.11 | adamt | mine too.. |
| 23:48.18 | dystopianray | yeah :) |
| 23:48.28 | dystopianray | I should add some extensions to regex to make it turing complete |
| 23:48.32 | elvirolo | m1lkc0w: it just works if you have an unattractive gf ? oh, wait ... |
| 23:48.34 | Dhraakellian | the other two officers are both female |
| 23:48.38 | adamt | even in chemistry.. i always sit together with 5 girls and no boys :P |
| 23:48.44 | aynjell | Dhraakellian: that makes you uber geek. |
| 23:48.48 | m1lkc0w | elvirolo: Watch it. |
| 23:48.58 | aynjell | And you use linux... all your girl freinds won't ever touch you. |
| 23:49.46 | adamt | worst part about using linux is being a geek that can't help with stupid stupid ms office when it fucks up like allways =) |
| 23:50.11 | dystopianray | they just need chemistry help :D |
| 23:50.24 | elvirolo | kmailrc is *not* simple to my standards |
| 23:50.30 | dystopianray | I wanted to start a UNIX club at university, but only 2 people were interested :( one of them being me |
| 23:50.37 | adamt | heh |
| 23:50.54 | adamt | i know of at least one other linux-user at my school |
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| 23:51.01 | adamt | .. and he's not very geeky |
| 23:51.11 | elvirolo | i wanted to start a GNU/linux club at my school ... only one person interested (including myself) |
| 23:52.06 | dystopianray | when I started universght I was 'l33t' for using linux, and then suddenly they all want to use gentoo, and now they want me to give 24/7 support becuase they have no idea what is going on x_xs |
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| 23:52.23 | adamt | =/ |
| 23:52.28 | adamt | fuck off, buggers! |
| 23:52.31 | dystopianray | :D |
| 23:52.31 | adamt | :P |
| 23:52.35 | Dhraakellian | there's a LUG here, but it's at another college |
| 23:52.41 | dystopianray | curse those windows users, I told them gentoo was hard initially :p |
| 23:52.46 | elvirolo | hey, it _is_ possible to import TB messages in Kmail |
| 23:52.56 | dystopianray | it has some import messages thingo |
| 23:52.58 | adamt | dystopianray: windows users are by definition stupid.. soo.. |
| 23:53.01 | elvirolo | i mean possible *for a human being* |
| 23:53.30 | dystopianray | I am actually a yeti |
| 23:53.33 | elvirolo | adamt: my girlfriend isn't stupid ! oh wait, that's right, i keep forgetting |
| 23:53.52 | m1lkc0w | elvirolo: your mean mbox files can be used in other email clients? Noh.. |
| 23:54.04 | dystopianray | I don't know a single windows users who doesn't pirate every piece of software they use :D |
| 23:54.06 | elvirolo | qué ? |
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| 23:54.31 | elvirolo | dystopianray: i do ! my grand father ! but that's before i installed debian on his pc |
| 23:54.40 | dystopianray | they ask me for cracks, and I laugh, I don't need cracks bitch :D |
| 23:55.10 | elvirolo | is mbox a format for storing emails? |
| 23:55.26 | dystopianray | yes |
| 23:55.35 | m1lkc0w | elvirolo: Yes. |
| 23:55.48 | elvirolo | ok |
| 23:55.56 | elvirolo | well it doesn't work |
| 23:56.05 | dystopianray | anyone know of a good klax mirror? for kde 3.5 alpha 1 version, the official one sucks :( |
| 23:56.24 | adamt | what about using bittorrent? |
| 23:56.37 | dystopianray | what is a good kde bittorent client? |
| 23:57.01 | adamt | i use ktorrent, but it got like zero functions/features |
| 23:57.24 | dystopianray | but it downloads stuff right? |
| 23:57.33 | adamt | yeah.. |
| 23:57.41 | dystopianray | :D |
| 23:57.42 | elvirolo | dystopianray: you mean the german mirror ? |
| 23:57.58 | dystopianray | the one that is on the klax page |
| 23:58.05 | elvirolo | dystopianray: i'm downloading at nearly 1 MB/s from it ! |
| 23:58.10 | dystopianray | it doesn't support resuming, and it always dies on me in the middle of my download :( |
| 23:58.16 | dystopianray | :'( |
| 23:58.25 | dystopianray | url? |
| 23:58.32 | elvirolo | http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/klax/klax-kde-3.5-alpha.iso |
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| 23:59.22 | adamt | good night |
| 23:59.23 | dystopianray | I only have 256k downstream :( |
| 23:59.56 | elvirolo | dystopianray: :( |
