| 00:00.38 | frb-work | I love kde's integration, so it can't be hard for the JS console to pop up a good error, and directly link to the source viewed in quanta/kdevelop |
| 00:01.02 | lauri | and sometimes people think developers will think it's an imposition to file them, but honestly, it's not, and I know plenty of developers who when they have a spare hour and want something to do, dig into the wishlist items |
| 00:01.16 | frb-work | I was a developer for awhile |
| 00:01.23 | frb-work | I was actually a packager for ximian |
| 00:01.31 | lauri | oh you poor baby |
| 00:01.34 | frb-work | I love bugs, as long as I'm not the one that sorts them |
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| 00:01.48 | Tm_M | I try to become developer |
| 00:01.50 | lauri | heh, thiago does the majority of that for us |
| 00:01.54 | annma | does bugs.kde.org work? |
| 00:02.04 | lauri | he's a treasure |
| 00:02.06 | annma | I am stuck on 1 precise product |
| 00:02.24 | annma | lauri: yes, thiago does a superb job |
| 00:02.28 | lauri | lord knows I spend an hour doing bug triage, and I start going insane |
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| 00:04.05 | Tm_M | insanity isn't that bad |
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| 00:04.17 | lauri | oh no, it's quite underrated |
| 00:04.18 | Tm_M | just look at me |
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| 00:04.26 | lauri | but when I get that insane, I start being really sarcastic in the replies |
| 00:04.33 | lauri | and then I get told off :) |
| 00:04.49 | annma | ;) |
| 00:04.52 | lauri | because hey, it's not like I'm sarcastic any other time! |
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| 00:05.09 | Alethes | I have an idea for kde, but I have no idea if it's feasible or a good idea at all |
| 00:05.21 | lauri | it's so tempting to close bugs as WONTFIX reason: you are a stupid ass |
| 00:05.28 | Alethes | if I understand correctly, QT rearranges forms when options are added and removed |
| 00:05.29 | Tm_M | sarcasm? something eatable? |
| 00:05.35 | lauri | but one mustn't |
| 00:05.36 | Alethes | (that maybe not be true, but that's what I've heard) |
| 00:05.51 | annma | Alethes: rearranges? |
| 00:05.56 | annma | options added? |
| 00:06.06 | annma | explain better |
| 00:06.11 | Alethes | so, that being the case, it seems that kde might want to have the ability for distributions to enable and disable prefs in the gui |
| 00:06.16 | lauri | web forms? |
| 00:06.20 | lauri | designer forms? |
| 00:06.22 | Alethes | annma: it's really not consequential to my question, honestly |
| 00:06.32 | lauri | Alethes: I think you just invented kiosk |
| 00:06.35 | annma | ui forms, I believe, lauri |
| 00:06.39 | lauri | good going |
| 00:06.39 | Alethes | lauri: ah |
| 00:06.41 | Alethes | hah |
| 00:06.48 | lauri | if you invent time travel, you can go back in the past and invent it first! |
| 00:06.56 | annma | lol |
| 00:06.57 | Alethes | does that allow for any app to be simplified? |
| 00:07.07 | lauri | pretty much |
| 00:07.11 | Alethes | hmmm |
| 00:07.18 | Alethes | I'll have to look into that |
| 00:07.20 | annma | kiosk is not publicized enough |
| 00:07.26 | lauri | and locked down too, so the user cant' even edit the hidden settings by doing it directly in the config file with a text editor |
| 00:07.26 | annma | kdeadmin, I think |
| 00:07.29 | lauri | nope, it's not |
| 00:07.36 | lauri | it's insanely cool though |
| 00:07.40 | annma | yes |
| 00:07.48 | Alethes | lauri: does it completely hide the options or does it just disable them? |
| 00:08.00 | lauri | both, either, whatever |
| 00:08.02 | Alethes | when I mean disable, I mean does it grey it out |
| 00:08.07 | lauri | not just options either |
| 00:08.08 | Alethes | ah |
| 00:08.09 | Alethes | interesting |
| 00:08.14 | lauri | entire apps, the ability to get a shell |
| 00:08.16 | lauri | anything |
| 00:08.19 | Alethes | ok, now I'm getting giddy :D |
| 00:08.51 | lauri | http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin/ |
| 00:09.12 | lauri | http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/kde-for-administrators.html |
| 00:09.31 | lauri | so you can set up profiles so users in the idjit group can't get shells, but users in the smartcookies group can, yada yada |
| 00:09.32 | lauri | very powerful |
| 00:09.46 | Alethes | heh heh |
| 00:09.47 | Alethes | that rocks |
| 00:09.48 | lauri | (of course, it doesn't work on the non-kde apps, but you can just not install any of those) |
| 00:09.59 | lauri | and the kiosktool gui makes it pretty darn easy too |
| 00:10.08 | Alethes | this sounds great |
| 00:10.09 | frb-work | yeah, why would you want a non-kde app on a kkiosk anyway? |
| 00:10.13 | Alethes | hehe |
| 00:10.17 | Alethes | who needs non-kde apps? :) |
| 00:10.41 | lauri | frb-work: well, it's not just for kiosks |
| 00:10.48 | lauri | think corporate desktops |
| 00:10.53 | frb-work | evern more so |
| 00:10.55 | lauri | or, kids in schools |
| 00:11.09 | Tm_M | like me |
| 00:11.12 | frb-work | especially when people like gnome decide to REARRANGE the damn buttons |
| 00:11.25 | lauri | (you also want to prevent users from getting access to install apps, since unix being so uber user friendly, you can build your own copy of openoffice in your home directory if you want) |
| 00:11.33 | frb-work | "But it's better for the UI!" Screw you, it's the opposite of EVERYTHING ELSE |
| 00:11.44 | Alethes | haha |
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| 00:11.50 | lauri | anyway, I gotta go to bed |
| 00:11.54 | Alethes | ok |
| 00:11.56 | Alethes | quick question |
| 00:11.57 | lauri | gniters folks |
| 00:11.58 | Alethes | another topic |
| 00:12.04 | lauri | someone take away tim's candy bars, he's had way too much sugar |
| 00:12.08 | Alethes | how can I make the --config option work for konq? |
| 00:12.23 | Alethes | it's in the --help, but it doesn't read an alternate config file |
| 00:12.27 | stibby | how do i set kdm to use the dvorak keyboard system? |
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| 00:12.31 | Tm_M | tim?? |
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| 00:12.47 | lauri | you sure it's in the --help? |
| 00:12.54 | lauri | because I don't see it |
| 00:12.57 | Alethes | [20:11 alethes@pennywise:~] konqueror --help-all |
| 00:13.08 | Alethes | --config <filename> Use alternative configuration file |
| 00:13.23 | lauri | no idea |
| 00:13.25 | lauri | gotta go |
| 00:13.26 | Alethes | heh |
| 00:13.26 | Alethes | ok |
| 00:13.27 | Alethes | aidos |
| 00:13.28 | Alethes | adios too |
| 00:13.54 | Tm_M | why people think me as tim :/ |
| 00:14.09 | Alethes | heh |
| 00:14.17 | Alethes | 'cause it looks like you're just vowel-challenged |
| 00:14.22 | mobtek | you're not Tim? |
| 00:14.30 | Tm_M | pah |
| 00:14.33 | Dhraakellian | how do I turn off smooth-scroll in konqueror? |
| 00:14.47 | Alethes | Dhraakellian: that's the most annoying feature ever, huh? heh |
| 00:14.47 | mobtek | Dhraakellian: more importantly, how do you turn it on? |
| 00:14.47 | Tm_M | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.06 | Dhraakellian | mobtek, it was on by default with this suse install |
| 00:16.14 | mobtek | Dhraakellian: heh I can't even find it on 3.4.2 |
| 00:16.26 | Tm_M | hunger :/ |
| 00:17.09 | Dhraakellian | Alethes, yes, but do you know how to turn it off? |
| 00:17.10 | frb-work | kwin is on crack |
| 00:17.14 | Alethes | Dhraakellian: no idea |
| 00:17.17 | Alethes | mine's never been on |
| 00:17.18 | Alethes | heh |
| 00:17.25 | frb-work | I hit alt-tab, and it's rotating windows on both desktops |
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| 01:01.01 | jcurry | anyone up for some trivia in #trivia? |
| 01:01.58 | motoom_ | yes |
| 01:02.24 | jcurry | :) |
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| 01:05.03 | elvstone | hum. is it easy to change what directory KDE considers my Desktop? i would like it to be my home directory.. |
| 01:05.28 | frb-work | ln -s ~/Desktop ~ ? |
| 01:05.36 | frb-work | I could be completely on crack |
| 01:06.11 | jcurry | seeme the best option |
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| 01:06.25 | NoobSuse9 | Hello |
| 01:06.30 | jcurry | you can also chnage it in the kde path config dialog, which i can't find right now |
| 01:06.35 | jcurry | curse thee, kcontrol |
| 01:06.42 | NoobSuse9 | anyone know of a theme that can make kde look like OS X |
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| 01:07.05 | jcurry | baghira |
| 01:07.08 | jcurry | baghira.sf.net |
| 01:07.54 | elvstone | frb-work: that was my first thought. i'll see if i can find the path option jcurry is talking about first. |
| 01:08.24 | elvstone | ah. Systemadministration->Sökvägar on my system. |
| 01:09.15 | elvstone | hm. btw. what is the "Documents" path there? |
| 01:10.36 | NoobSuse9 | that page isn't working for downloads |
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| 01:11.02 | jcurry | NoobSuse9, try sf.net/projects/baghira |
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| 01:11.41 | LiquidAir | could someone tell me the name of a good looking widget that gives me info like disk space and cpu temp |
| 01:11.58 | NoobSuse9 | nope |
| 01:12.03 | LiquidAir | :'( |
| 01:12.29 | jcurry | sorry |
| 01:12.39 | LiquidAir | why not? |
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| 01:13.31 | jcurry | i meant, sorry to NoobSuse9 |
| 01:13.40 | jcurry | downloads work fine for me |
| 01:13.46 | jcurry | or maybe the server is down |
| 01:14.50 | NoobSuse9 | what version do you have |
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| 01:18.23 | jcurry | of baghira? |
| 01:18.25 | jcurry | the latest |
| 01:18.51 | NoobSuse9 | can you send it to me |
| 01:19.00 | NoobSuse9 | are you using it as your desktop |
| 01:19.14 | jcurry | i just apt-getted it |
| 01:19.20 | Maneit | Can I have tabbed browsing enabled in konqueror for webbrowsing, but not for filemanagement? |
| 01:19.20 | jcurry | plus, no, since i'm on dialup |
| 01:20.16 | texnofobix | Maneit: you should have both |
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| 01:20.26 | Maneit | texnofobix: what now? |
| 01:20.41 | texnofobix | you can have tabs in both web and file management |
| 01:20.50 | Maneit | I know, but I only want it in web |
| 01:20.58 | texnofobix | only :\ |
| 01:21.02 | texnofobix | i dont konw if that is possible |
| 01:21.07 | Maneit | well, how do I drag/drop between tabs? |
| 01:21.31 | texnofobix | i usually cut/paste |
| 01:21.34 | NoobSuse9 | found the latest |
| 01:21.42 | texnofobix | you can also create split screen type things |
| 01:21.44 | apokryphos | Maneit: dual panes, if you want. |
| 01:21.48 | Maneit | That's what makes tabbed filemanagement "useless" for me :> |
| 01:21.57 | apokryphos | Maneit: why? |
| 01:22.00 | texnofobix | dual panes are cool |
| 01:22.04 | Maneit | Or rather why I don't want to use it :) |
| 01:22.09 | Maneit | Never tried dual panes |
| 01:22.09 | apokryphos | how exactly would youant to drag/drop between? |
| 01:22.22 | apokryphos | Try it, you might like it. 8) |
| 01:22.31 | Maneit | I want to drag directory A from tab FOO over to tab BAR and inside directory B |
| 01:22.41 | apokryphos | so do it |
| 01:22.53 | jcurry | you pop the folders ny pausing over them |
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| 01:23.25 | Frogbarf | is there a way to change the konsole cursor color to somehthing other than the forground color? |
| 01:23.32 | Maneit | My intuition tell me that dragging directory A over to the tab FOO and holding it there for "some time" should make the tab appear, right? |
| 01:23.47 | Maneit | Or switch to that tab if you like |
| 01:23.52 | Frogbarf | such as cursor forground/background |
| 01:24.16 | LiquidAir | does kde have a utility that displays all the processes and their cpu usage? |
| 01:24.17 | apokryphos | Maneit: yes |
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| 01:24.23 | Maneit | Oh man, I'm sorry.. it just took a bit longer than what I'd expect from it :p |
| 01:24.29 | apokryphos | LiquidAir: Ctrl + Esc |
| 01:24.44 | LiquidAir | apokryphos, thanks |
| 01:24.48 | apokryphos | (KSysGuard) |
| 01:25.15 | apokryphos | Maneit: I'd find ctrl+c/v quicker myself |
| 01:25.27 | apokryphos | rarely use dual panes, but some ove it |
| 01:25.32 | apokryphos | s/ove/love |
| 01:25.41 | apokryphos | so much so that they leave Konqueror because they don't think it can do it :/ |
| 01:26.06 | elvstone | ehum. this is really embarrassing. but i seem to have lost my Trash desktop icon.. how can i recreate it? |
| 01:26.06 | LiquidAir | hmm there certainly are a lot of duplicated processes |
| 01:26.32 | Maneit | Are you talking about split view, apokryphos? |
| 01:26.38 | apokryphos | yes |
| 01:26.43 | Maneit | right :) |
| 01:27.31 | apokryphos | elvstone: if you browse to ~/Desktop is it definitely not there? |
| 01:28.33 | LiquidAir | whats the name of that widget which shows you the wheather? |
| 01:28.54 | apokryphos | KWeather? Superkaramba with Liquid Weather Theme? |
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| 01:29.06 | elvstone | apokryphos: i no longer have ~/Desktop, i changed my Desktop to be my home directory in kcontrol (but the Trash icon dissappeared before that though). |
| 01:29.18 | apokryphos | :S |
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| 01:29.32 | apokryphos | elvstone: ok, create a trash.desktop file |
| 01:29.40 | apokryphos | and put the following inside it: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1568 |
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| 01:30.48 | elvstone | apokryphos: thanks a bunch. |
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| 01:32.15 | emRick | is there a way to find out if (and where) app XYZ is on my KDE menus? |
| 01:32.29 | elvstone | btw. anyone know of future versions of KDE will support automatic hyphenation of wrapped icon names? |
| 01:35.01 | apokryphos | emRick: you can probably use (if you really need to) the applications:/ KIO slave or browse to /usr/share/applications for the defaults there |
| 01:36.23 | emRick | apokryphos: what is "applications:/ KIO slave" |
| 01:36.28 | emRick | ??? |
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| 01:36.53 | apokryphos | i.e. type applications:/ in Konqueror |
| 01:36.57 | GentooHel | hi |
| 01:37.42 | GentooHel | i need help with kppp i got all my ISP info setup but i cant connect to the net when i go to it says intilizing modem but does nothing else im using kppp |
| 01:38.27 | GentooHel | or at least someone know where i can get help with kppp at? |
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| 01:39.52 | Sgep | Hi all |
| 01:40.16 | Sgep | In KDE 3.4.0, how do I make it so that an application is always preferred for all filetypes it supports? |
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| 01:40.25 | emRick | apokryphos: "konqueror applications:/" gives "protocol not supported". |
| 01:40.47 | GentooHel | i need help with kppp i got all my ISP info setup but i cant connect to the net when i go to it says intilizing modem but does nothing else im using kppp |
| 01:41.35 | emRick | GentooHel: try the IRC channel of your Linux distro ... like #debian or #ubuntu etc |
| 01:41.49 | GentooHel | i did no one is there i was directed here |
| 01:41.54 | emRick | ah, you're probably #gentoo |
| 01:42.11 | GentooHel | i did try gentoo no one which was hard to believe knew about it |
| 01:42.54 | emRick | you could sneak into another distro's channel and not mention gentoo ... but change your nick first (and don't mention gentoo). |
| 01:43.40 | GentooHel | i know thanks man |
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| 01:46.07 | emRick | GentooHel: you could google kppp HOWTO or kppp faq or something like that ... HOWTOs are usually the most useful ... they'll get you to read some informative log file. |
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| 01:47.56 | GentooHel | thanks a lot emRick |
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| 02:01.01 | bassinboy | perhaps a kde dev or someone can help me with this one, last time i used kde, i would scroll through grouped apps in the taskbar, and it would only scroll though the app group i had my mouse over, lets say i had 6 grouped windows for gaim, it would only do those six, and not anyothers..... but now it scrolls through all programs, kwrite, gaim, firefox, terminal konqueror, etc...... and i hate that!! |
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| 02:07.30 | stibby | is it a bug that the trash removal percentage bar freezes on zero whenever large amounts of things are deleted? |
| 02:09.10 | mobtek | bassinboy: it still scrolls through the group apps on the taskbar though |
| 02:09.55 | uga | stibby: notice the trash kio is trying to _copy_ the files |
| 02:10.10 | uga | if you're dealing with some remote file system like ftp or similar, it may take ages |
| 02:11.22 | mobtek | bassinboy: go put it in bugs.kde.org as a wishlist :) |
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| 02:13.22 | bassinboy | mobtek: but through alll apps and not just the grouped ones? |
| 02:14.33 | mobtek | yes but it scrolls through the grouped apps in order, then moves onto the next group :) |
| 02:14.49 | stibby | how do i set kdm to use the dvorak keyboard system? |
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| 02:15.26 | mobtek | stibby: control centre -> region and accessiblity -> keyboard layout |
| 02:16.02 | stibby | i'm using dvorak right now |
| 02:16.16 | stibby | but when i reboot, kdm uses qwerty |
| 02:16.17 | mobtek | and kdm doesn't? |
| 02:16.21 | mobtek | heh ok |
| 02:17.20 | mobtek | http://www.mepis.org/node/5886 |
| 02:17.35 | bassinboy | mobtek: that would be fine with me, but it doesn't start with the grouped tasks for me :( |
| 02:18.17 | mobtek | bassinboy: oh |
| 02:18.19 | mobtek | weird |
| 02:18.41 | mobtek | it does for me if one of those tasks has focus |
| 02:18.57 | bassinboy | o |
| 02:19.07 | bassinboy | how do you find your kde version? |
| 02:19.12 | mobtek | my focus follows mouse :) |
| 02:19.25 | stibby | mobtek: that doesn't tell me how to solve it though :/ |
| 02:19.34 | mobtek | bassinboy: alt-F2 |
| 02:19.38 | mobtek | kcontrol |
| 02:19.48 | mobtek | have alooksee there or from the help About KDE in any app |
| 02:20.03 | mobtek | stibby: ;) |
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| 02:20.11 | Red-fox | hello all |
| 02:20.12 | bassinboy | got it :) just wonder if it was accessible from a shell |
| 02:20.20 | mobtek | stibby: you can change it in xorg.conf iirc |
| 02:20.37 | stibby | x_x |
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| 02:20.56 | mobtek | ok bbl |
| 02:21.07 | Red-fox | can someone tell me how put the Kmenu transparant in KDE 3.4? I made it in the 3.2 version, but i dont no how in 3.4 |
| 02:22.24 | stibby | okay...in the xorg conf file, the current line i need to change is currently set to "us" |
| 02:22.32 | stibby | would dvorak be "dvo"? |
| 02:24.26 | Sgep | Why doesn't there seem to be an easy way to make symlinks in Konqueror? |
| 02:25.01 | mobtek | or dvorak in full stibby |
| 02:25.07 | benJIman | Sgep: drag + drop file and select "link here" |
| 02:25.12 | stibby | does "dvo" work fine? |
| 02:25.16 | Sgep | oh |
| 02:25.17 | Sgep | ty |
| 02:25.53 | thiago | bassinboy: that's intentional |
| 02:26.09 | bassinboy | thiago: i want the old settings :-/ |
| 02:26.15 | Sgep | How can I make a symlink without drag+drop? |
| 02:26.48 | mobtek | Sgep: ln --help :) |
| 02:26.53 | mobtek | ok really gone now :) |
| 02:26.58 | Sgep | And within Konqueror |
| 02:27.30 | thiago | Sgep: you can't |
| 02:27.58 | benJIman | you can hold down control shift while you drag to bypass the menu thing, but don't know if you can do it without drag/drop |
| 02:29.42 | frb-work | open up the konsole in konq and run ln -s? |
| 02:30.46 | frb-work | right click, choose "Create New..." then one of the "Link" options? |
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| 02:38.02 | Sgep | frb-work: Those seem to simply make .desktop files |
| 02:38.14 | Sgep | (the Link options) |
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| 02:44.02 | Red-fox | i found it! |
| 02:44.06 | Red-fox | find* |
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| 02:45.22 | Sgep | Wrong channel |
| 02:46.30 | shray | hi |
| 02:46.31 | shray | http://pastebin.com/344661 |
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| 02:46.40 | shray | that error happens when i compile kde_base |
| 02:46.41 | shray | :( |
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| 02:48.32 | Maneit | shray: You could try to install libgnutls*-dev |
| 02:48.54 | Maneit | Don't know if the errors you get is errors in the code or if you lack some libs :> |
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| 02:49.38 | shray | is that a gentoo ? |
| 02:49.46 | shray | ebuild* |
| 02:50.01 | Maneit | Dunno, I'm using Debian. But I'm sure gentoo has the package |
| 02:50.21 | shray | * net-libs/gnutls |
| 02:50.25 | shray | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.25 | shray | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.27 | shray | that it ? |
| 02:50.36 | Maneit | yupp |
| 02:50.42 | shray | oh. already ahve it. |
| 02:50.43 | shray | have* |
| 02:50.50 | Maneit | try gnutls-dev then |
| 02:51.35 | shray | no such thing :/ |
| 02:51.37 | shray | oh well |
| 02:51.39 | shray | guess no kde |
| 02:52.07 | Maneit | hold on :) |
| 02:53.58 | Maneit | weird |
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| 02:56.57 | Kryczek | hi! |
| 02:57.18 | Kryczek | when i press the XF86Audio{Raise,Lower}Volume keys on my keyboard |
| 02:57.24 | Kryczek | it always starts KMix |
| 02:57.41 | Kryczek | but I can't find in the "Keyboard Shortcuts" panel where that action is defined |
| 02:57.59 | Kryczek | and if I setup something else for those keys in KHotKeys, it doesnt override this default action |
| 02:58.12 | Kryczek | does anybody know why that is ? |
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| 03:04.57 | Gumby | for some reason kmail is telling me that it cant connect to my mail server yet any other mail client I try has no issue with it and I can connect on the command line. Is this a known issue and where might I fix it? |
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| 03:14.01 | asgeirf | Gumby, maybe go to Settings -> Configure KMail -> Accounts, and make sure that all the settings are configured in the same way as your other mail clients? |
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| 03:14.58 | Gumby | asgeirf: yeah, it is. I have ever went as far as to delete it and recreate it. |
| 03:15.49 | Gumby | I am about to try putting in some garbage domain and then adding that domain to my /etc/hosts pointing to the proper URL |
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| 03:28.57 | mobtek | hmm where are sounds for kde stored again? |
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| 03:31.18 | Gumby | strange, if I put an entry for my mail server in /etc/hosts kmail works, if I do not... it says it cant connect to the server |
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| 03:31.39 | uga | mobtek: $KDEDIR/share/sounds obviously |
| 03:31.58 | wsjunior | http://www.google.com/talk/ |
| 03:32.12 | mobtek | uga ta |
| 03:34.06 | Kryczek | wsjunior: or talk.google.com :) |
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| 03:37.17 | caller | brb |
| 03:38.49 | caller | back |
| 03:44.59 | mobtek | yay to EasyTimer and KTimer to remind me when to take these meds :) |
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| 03:56.12 | nightmaster | does kde have the new win xp tgheme royale |
| 03:57.37 | nexu | last time i checked kde project is not trying to be a xp copycat or look alike |
| 03:57.56 | nightmaster | well it should the option to look like it |
| 03:57.57 | nexu | thus the question asking or kde have a win xp theme seems weird to me |
| 03:58.14 | nightmaster | i mean an equivalent |
| 03:58.16 | nexu | nightmaster- not part of kde itself, maybe some contribution tho |
| 03:58.18 | nightmaster | cuase kde has the luna theme |
| 04:00.10 | slicslak | i love firefox. caret browsing? seriously. rocks |
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| 04:00.48 | nightmaster | caret? |
| 04:01.43 | Dhraakellian | out of curiosity, has anyone tried to connect to Google Talk with kopete? |
| 04:01.54 | nightmaster | what is google talk? |
| 04:02.29 | Dhraakellian | google jabber |
| 04:02.39 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 04:02.44 | nightmaster | ? |
| 04:02.49 | Dhraakellian | okay, I think I got the right combination of settings |
| 04:02.59 | Dhraakellian | http://www.google.com/talk/index.html |
| 04:03.27 | mobtek | slackers |
| 04:03.52 | Dhraakellian | hmm... Safari and Firefox, but not Konqueror, gaim and ichat, but not Kopete |
| 04:03.54 | Dhraakellian | hmmm |
| 04:03.56 | nightmaster | can u use google talk for like hotmail> |
| 04:04.20 | Dhraakellian | you just use your gmail address, it seems |
| 04:04.51 | nightmaster | i download adn am trying |
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| 04:08.29 | Dhraakellian | nightm...nm |
| 04:08.37 | Dhraakellian | he could've just used kopete |
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| 04:10.05 | Mr_Grieves | are there command line options to juk to play, pause, etc? |
| 04:11.17 | Dhraakellian | Mr_Grieves, "dcop juk <something here which I'm too lazy to look up> play" would be my guess |
| 04:11.40 | Dhraakellian | check kdcop while juk is running, perhaps |
| 04:11.47 | mobtek | Dhraakellian: how do you set up kopete for it? |
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| 04:12.10 | Dhraakellian | same as a normal jabber account |
| 04:12.18 | mobtek | but with gmail id? |
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| 04:12.30 | Dhraakellian | although it seems to not talk to other jabber servers, from what a friend has told me |
| 04:12.32 | Dhraakellian | yeah |
| 04:13.16 | Dhraakellian | and check [x] Use protocol encryption (SSL) and [x] Allow plain-text password authentication under the Connection tab |
| 04:13.25 | Dhraakellian | and use the server talk.google.com |
| 04:14.23 | mobtek | oh ok :) |
| 04:14.57 | mobtek | normal jabber port? |
| 04:15.25 | mobtek | connected awesome :) |
| 04:15.44 | Dhraakellian | http://www.google.com/talk/ |
| 04:16.05 | Dhraakellian | there are instructions for gaim, but not for kopete |
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| 04:16.18 | Dhraakellian | hmm... |
| 04:16.20 | Mr_Grieves | under juk there is juk>player>void play() |
| 04:16.20 | mobtek | email them and give them your instructions :) |
| 04:16.30 | Mr_Grieves | how do i use that as a comand |
| 04:16.33 | mobtek | like complete with screenshots etc :) |
| 04:16.39 | Dhraakellian | but they did do a bunch of SoC sponserships |
| 04:16.43 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 04:16.55 | thechris | is there any way to make a wiki out of kontact? |
| 04:16.56 | mobtek | seriously Dhraakellian you should do it :) |
| 04:17.00 | Dhraakellian | Mr_Grieves, "dcop juk player play" |
| 04:17.13 | mobtek | Dhraakellian: whats your gtalk id? |
| 04:17.21 | Mr_Grieves | dl@linux:~> dcop juk player play |
| 04:17.22 | Mr_Grieves | call failed |
| 04:17.30 | Dhraakellian | Mr_Grieves, juk has to be running |
| 04:17.58 | Mr_Grieves | it is |
| 04:18.06 | Dhraakellian | hmm... |
| 04:18.07 | Dhraakellian | dunno |
| 04:18.14 | Mr_Grieves | :( |
| 04:18.34 | Dhraakellian | or check "juk --help" to see if they have any actual commandline args |
| 04:18.42 | Mr_Grieves | /puts off setting the function keys on his laptop for another night |
| 04:18.53 | Mr_Grieves | they don't |
| 04:19.50 | Mr_Grieves | is amarok a different jukebox app? |
| 04:20.00 | Dhraakellian | amarok is another audio player, yes |
| 04:20.09 | Dhraakellian | it's a tad different from JuK |
| 04:20.20 | Dhraakellian | I happen to like it |
| 04:20.28 | Dhraakellian | some people prefer JuK |
| 04:20.36 | Dhraakellian | personally, JuK confuses the heck out of me |
| 04:20.54 | Mr_Grieves | does it show a library, or play only single tracks at a time |
| 04:21.03 | Dhraakellian | either |
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| 04:21.18 | Dhraakellian | it does have a fully featured collection |
| 04:21.25 | Dhraakellian | but you can also use the filebrowser if you prefer |
| 04:21.27 | Mr_Grieves | i'll look into it.... |
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| 04:25.01 | Dhraakellian | 1.3? |
| 04:27.27 | Dhraakellian | hehheh |
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| 04:28.20 | Mr_Grieves | thanks, and goodnight |
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| 04:30.14 | Alethes | looks like google's isn't allowing server to server connections |
| 04:30.24 | Alethes | google's jabber |
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| 04:33.14 | frb-work | is there a secret to get konq to work for googlemail? |
| 04:34.06 | NoobSuse9 | is there anyway I can get itunes working on suse 9.3 |
| 04:34.26 | Dhraakellian | frb-work, yes, use the html-only version or use konqueror 3.5 from svn |
| 04:34.47 | frb-work | Dhraakellian: I'll wait for rpms |
| 04:35.00 | Dhraakellian | frb-work, hehheh... it'll be a while |
| 04:35.17 | Dhraakellian | or use the alpha release |
| 04:35.25 | frb-work | I was a release engineer for the better part of 5 years, I _really_ don't like building software anymore |
| 04:35.34 | Dhraakellian | hehhehheh |
| 04:35.41 | frb-work | unless it's tiny |
| 04:35.42 | Dhraakellian | even with something like gentoo? |
| 04:35.45 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 04:35.46 | Dhraakellian | hehheh |
| 04:35.47 | frb-work | fuck gentoo |
| 04:35.54 | Dhraakellian | NoobSuse9, use wine |
| 04:36.17 | Dhraakellian | frb-work, um... no. However much I might like a distro, I will not have such relations with it |
| 04:36.40 | frb-work | I'll keep using suse until they break something horribly |
| 04:36.44 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 04:36.45 | NoobSuse9 | How well does wine work |
| 04:36.45 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 04:36.52 | Dhraakellian | NoobSuse9, I haven't a clue |
| 04:36.54 | NoobSuse9 | can I just install any windows app |
| 04:37.02 | frb-work | NoobSuse9: www.winehq.com |
| 04:37.08 | frb-work | NoobSuse9: www.cedega.com |
| 04:37.10 | Dhraakellian | NoobSuse9, or try out amaroK |
| 04:37.15 | frb-work | NoobSuse9: www.codeweavers.com |
| 04:37.26 | mobtek | heh gentoo works great :) |
| 04:37.31 | Dhraakellian | it's very nifty (disclaimer: I'm an amarok-svn addict) |
| 04:37.44 | frb-work | I rather like amarok |
| 04:38.17 | frb-work | the only thing bothering me about amarok is that half of it's windows disappear when the main window loses focus |
| 04:38.32 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 04:38.38 | frb-work | I have a cluttered desk with sloppy focus, so it pisses me off |
| 04:38.51 | Dhraakellian | yeah... the tools windows? |
| 04:39.01 | frb | yeah, like the EQ, or the vis selector |
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| 04:39.11 | frb | the vis's are useless in large windows too |
| 04:39.22 | Dhraakellian | frb, check b.k.o and see if anyone has submitted a bug report about that misfeature? |
| 04:39.35 | frb | I'll add it to the list |
| 04:39.41 | Dhraakellian | well, the visualizations themselves don't disappear |
| 04:39.51 | Dhraakellian | only the window that turns them on and off |
| 04:40.05 | frb | yeah |
| 04:40.55 | frb | I have a set of 5 bugs I need to file next time I have the time to deal with bugzilla |
| 04:41.39 | frb | so far |
| 04:41.59 | frb | Can kde 3.5 move applets from one panel to another? |
| 04:42.17 | Dhraakellian | dunno |
| 04:42.39 | Dhraakellian | I just use a single panel and the kasbar |
| 04:42.49 | frb | I have 2 panels |
| 04:43.13 | frb | both tiny, one across the bottom of the second head, one down the right side of the second head |
| 04:43.20 | Dhraakellian | http://sp.allalone.org/gallery/screenshots/kde_20050807_amarok_has_podcasts |
| 04:43.54 | frb | the one on the bottom has some applaunchers, the pager, the taskbar, and the clock, the one on the right has a quicklaunch, media controller, and the systray |
| 04:44.12 | frb | the first head has no panels and runs fullscreen apps almost exclusively |
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| 04:44.44 | frb | well, maximized, since "fullscreen" means "max out the screen and clone myself on both heads" |
| 04:45.08 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 04:45.20 | Dhraakellian | I rarely maximize things for very long |
| 04:45.31 | frb | with dualhead, I do it a lot |
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| 04:45.53 | frb | then enable composite windows :) |
| 04:46.02 | Dhraakellian | intel graphics? |
| 04:46.08 | illogic-al | and have X go down every other second? |
| 04:46.13 | illogic-al | I'll pass. |
| 04:46.23 | frb | it worked on my radeon, it was just friggin slow |
| 04:46.34 | frb | Radeon Mobility M7 that is, old |
| 04:46.52 | frb | the nvidia cards are the only ones that can actually do it |
| 04:46.56 | frb | with the commercial driver |
| 04:46.57 | NoobSuse9 | does anyone in here use a ati card |
| 04:47.42 | illogic-al | anyone like frb who just said he has a Mobility M7? |
| 04:48.01 | frb | illogic-al: mine is old, I can't use the commercial driver, which is probably what noob needs |
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| 05:00.01 | memLeaker | got everything installed good on my gentoo box but everytime i try to run kde it locks. any ideas? |
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| 05:00.16 | arrummzen | Does the entire box lock or just KDE? |
| 05:00.32 | memLeaker | entire box |
| 05:00.52 | arrummzen | Can you run another wm or Xorg without a wm fine? |
| 05:00.59 | memLeaker | tried diff video drivers & produce same results with specific & generic so i did t think it was the video |
| 05:01.09 | memLeaker | mm |
| 05:01.22 | memLeaker | Xorg by itself? |
| 05:01.35 | arrummzen | yea, what happens if you start Xorg without a window manager? |
| 05:01.57 | memLeaker | oh, i get a grey screen with a crosshair |
| 05:02.27 | arrummzen | no error? |
| 05:02.29 | memLeaker | hmm..you are dude from other room. funny.. |
| 05:02.33 | memLeaker | nope..no error |
| 05:03.08 | arrummzen | try starting an xterm on the un managed display? |
| 05:03.09 | memLeaker | and i'm not intelligent enough to recognize any errors from xorg.0.log file..doesnt seem to have fatal errors or anything |
| 05:03.22 | memLeaker | how do i do that |
| 05:03.26 | memLeaker | plz |
| 05:03.33 | arrummzen | can you switch to a VT? |
| 05:04.29 | memLeaker | one sec |
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| 05:04.49 | memLeaker | oh ya...no prob |
| 05:05.24 | arrummzen | What shell do you use? |
| 05:05.35 | memLeaker | zsh |
| 05:05.50 | memLeaker | does same with diff shells |
| 05:06.19 | arrummzen | Oh, well you need to first is export the variable DISPLAY so that is is :0 (the first local X server). |
| 05:06.36 | arrummzen | with bash you would use "export DISPLAY=:0" |
| 05:06.45 | arrummzen | then you type xterm & |
| 05:07.38 | memLeaker | ya |
| 05:07.49 | memLeaker | got a [1] 8578 |
| 05:08.05 | arrummzen | good, now change back to the VT X is running on. |
| 05:08.08 | arrummzen | Usualy its 7. |
| 05:08.13 | memLeaker | said cant open display |
| 05:08.20 | arrummzen | are you running X? |
| 05:08.32 | memLeaker | oh..no |
| 05:08.40 | arrummzen | you need to start X with X :0 -ac & |
| 05:08.41 | memLeaker | wait |
| 05:08.51 | arrummzen | or X :0 if you aren't in a secure environment |
| 05:08.55 | memLeaker | k |
| 05:08.57 | memLeaker | second |
| 05:09.00 | arrummzen | you can check with ps -A | grep X |
| 05:09.24 | memLeaker | x is locked now |
| 05:09.39 | memLeaker | only x locked though |
| 05:09.39 | arrummzen | locked? |
| 05:09.45 | arrummzen | how did it lock? |
| 05:09.56 | memLeaker | well mouse wasnt moving |
| 05:10.05 | memLeaker | oh wiat |
| 05:10.06 | memLeaker | sorr |
| 05:10.06 | arrummzen | What card are you using? |
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| 05:10.15 | memLeaker | uh der..usb mouse |
| 05:10.19 | memLeaker | k one sec |
| 05:10.28 | arrummzen | I have an old matrox video card that locks up for a few minites when I switch to it from a VT, then works fine. |
| 05:10.30 | kakalto | konqueror has teh bugz :X |
| 05:10.32 | memLeaker | now how to swith vt with x running |
| 05:11.10 | arrummzen | memLeaker: you can either use chvt from a xterm or Ctrl+Alt+F1 (or any F key actualy). |
| 05:11.37 | memLeaker | oh..ctrl-alt-f2 works good |
| 05:12.01 | memLeaker | now i try the xterm & |
| 05:12.04 | arrummzen | yes. |
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| 05:13.35 | memLeaker | wen i tried it said same error..i tried the xport thing again (for shits)& said zsh: not found |
| 05:14.21 | arrummzen | what is xport? |
| 05:14.25 | arrummzen | Why are you using zsh? |
| 05:14.34 | memLeaker | export |
| 05:14.35 | memLeaker | sorry |
| 05:14.54 | arrummzen | zsh probly exports variables differntly than bash |
| 05:14.55 | memLeaker | mm.seocnd |
| 05:14.56 | arrummzen | read its man page. |
| 05:14.59 | memLeaker | k |
| 05:15.00 | frb | no it doesn't |
| 05:15.11 | arrummzen | frb: then export DISPLAY=:0 should work... |
| 05:15.18 | frb | it does |
| 05:15.33 | arrummzen | Then do it, and run xterm & |
| 05:15.56 | frb | if it doesn't work for memLeaker he must have bigger problems |
| 05:16.03 | frb | maybe xterm isn't in his path? |
| 05:16.18 | frb | amarok won't STOP PLAYING |
| 05:17.25 | marcusU | frb: Maybe it's just a nightmare and you'll wake up soon. |
| 05:17.31 | memLeaker | using bash & gettig same msg |
| 05:17.49 | memLeaker | [1] 8679 |
| 05:18.07 | memLeaker | well the export was ok..but get that when i try xterm & |
| 05:18.15 | frb | told you, xterm isn't in his path |
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| 05:18.51 | arrummzen | memLeaker: put /usr/X11R6/bin/ in your PATH... |
| 05:19.56 | memLeaker | what conf is that |
| 05:20.48 | frb | .zshrc or .zshprofile |
| 05:21.50 | frb | .zshenv |
| 05:21.55 | frb | pick one |
| 05:22.27 | frb | zshrc is run on normal shells, zshprofile is run on login shells, and zshenv is always available iirc |
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| 05:23.53 | memLeaker | how is diff paths separated in the config |
| 05:23.55 | memLeaker | ; ? |
| 05:24.01 | memLeaker | semicolon |
| 05:24.26 | memLeaker | pipe? |
| 05:24.31 | frb | PATH=${PATH}:/stuff/you/want/to/add |
| 05:24.38 | kakalto | is it true that konqueror will be able to use gecko engine in kde 3.5 |
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| 05:24.40 | kakalto | ? |
| 05:24.49 | Alethes | that'd be kinda cool |
| 05:24.50 | frb | that would be neat, like NS7 |
| 05:24.55 | memLeaker | yes but a path is already there..how do i add another path to it |
| 05:25.21 | frb | pay attention, or I stop helping |
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| 05:25.55 | Borg^Queen | Hey people |
| 05:26.16 | Borg^Queen | I'm trying to install an app but it says it can't find dvd_udf.h, but the file is in /usr/include/dvdnav. How do I tell it to look for it there? |
| 05:26.30 | memLeaker | look..i have export PATH=$PATH/opt/blackdown...., i'll add the path you said but i dont know how to...i didnt know if it was okay to delte the existing path |
| 05:26.42 | frb | oh, my, god |
| 05:26.55 | frb | did you reall say PATH=$PATH/opt/blackdown ? |
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| 05:27.12 | frb | Borg^Queen: compiling? |
| 05:27.24 | memLeaker | ya...i didnt create this, i have a friend that grabbed his shit & threw it on here |
| 05:27.26 | Borg^Queen | Aye, in the ./configure arg |
| 05:27.27 | arrummzen | What is blackdown? |
| 05:27.33 | memLeaker | i dont eve nknow what blackdown is |
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| 05:27.43 | marcusU | Borg^Queen: --with-extra-includes=/usr/include/dvdnav ? |
| 05:27.48 | marcusU | memLeaker: Java implementation. |
| 05:27.48 | Borg^Queen | blackdown is a java replacement |
| 05:27.54 | frb | Borg^Queen: first run ./configure --help |
| 05:27.57 | Borg^Queen | marcusU: thanks |
| 05:28.01 | memLeaker | but believe me, id like nothing more than to have my kde work & i'm really paying close attention. |
| 05:28.05 | frb | Borg^Queen: it might have an option specify where it it |
| 05:28.13 | Borg^Queen | ok |
| 05:28.31 | frb | Borg^Queen: then use --with-extra-includes if that doesn't work, and if _that_ doesn't work, CPPFLAGS="-I /yournewpath" |
| 05:29.12 | Borg^Queen | ok |
| 05:32.47 | memLeaker | did everything & i'm getting the same msg..i set the path in both configs |
| 05:34.10 | lauri | extra includes works |
| 05:34.34 | lauri | nothing would build on FreeBSD if it didn't, so we tend to make sure it works |
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| 05:37.43 | marcusU | lauri: Why does FreeBSD need it in particular? |
| 05:38.49 | arrummzen | memLeaker: just run it directly with /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm ? |
| 05:38.58 | memLeaker | k |
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| 05:39.45 | memLeaker | i changed my shell to try but same results..one sec |
| 05:40.51 | frb | I'm hungry |
| 05:40.53 | memLeaker | same error |
| 05:41.01 | marcusU | frb: Let's go eat together! |
| 05:41.07 | arrummzen | so you don't have xterm installed.... |
| 05:41.20 | frb | or his computer is just totally wonky |
| 05:41.29 | frb | did we ever find out what OS he runs? |
| 05:41.37 | arrummzen | memLeaker: you can try locate xterm or find / -name xterm |
| 05:41.44 | arrummzen | frb: gentoo Linux I believe. |
| 05:42.13 | frb | that explains a lot |
| 05:42.25 | memLeaker | x/etc/terminfo/x/xterm-xfree86 |
| 05:42.35 | memLeaker | oops..no x thre |
| 05:42.39 | frb | newbs shouldn't use gentoo, you should already be a jaded butthead before you get gentoo |
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| 05:43.09 | arrummzen | memLeaker: have you ever heard of Fedora Linux? |
| 05:43.12 | memLeaker | etc/terminfo/x/xterm |
| 05:43.12 | frb | I've gone beyond that, so I save all that compiling time using rpms, and instead use it to complain and file bugs |
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| 05:43.38 | memLeaker | sure..its user stupid. i like to learn |
| 05:43.51 | memLeaker | not have everything done for me in background & not understand anything |
| 05:44.06 | memLeaker | i have everything else installed fine...no probs. just have this prob with kde |
| 05:44.19 | arrummzen | a problem with KDE is a major problems... |
| 05:44.21 | memLeaker | all devices are fine...video drivers good. wireless card...all good |
| 05:44.34 | arrummzen | KDE is mission critical for me. |
| 05:44.36 | memLeaker | but i cant be the only one to have this prob before |
| 05:44.54 | arrummzen | I don't know why KDE would just cause it to freze like that... |
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| 05:45.19 | memLeaker | something i can do to reset settings or anything to try kde? |
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| 05:47.43 | somekool | am I on drugs or kmail still does not allow to drag folders around ? will this be in 3.5 ? |
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| 05:48.52 | marcusU | Drag them around where? |
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| 05:53.26 | somekool | good, so I'm on drug then, that's good ;) |
| 05:54.01 | somekool | I mean... drag folders to another one.. like to change the hierarchy, or to move/copy them from one IMAP to another, etc. |
| 05:54.14 | somekool | right now, I have to create the destination folders and move the mails |
| 05:54.30 | somekool | If I could move a full branch by a simple drag, that be better |
| 05:54.31 | marcusU | I don't have any IMAP folders. |
| 05:54.45 | somekool | even local... |
| 05:54.54 | somekool | does kmail let you move folders ? |
| 05:54.56 | marcusU | Change the hierarchy how? |
| 05:55.23 | marcusU | somekool: I think that the answer is No. |
| 05:55.55 | somekool | i guess I'm the only one with tons of email accounts |
| 05:56.02 | marcusU | somekool: If I mouse-down on a folder, and move the pointer in the up direction (with mouse down), it just moves my selection to the folder above. |
| 05:56.27 | marcusU | It does not actually move anything. The pointer does not turn into a move. |
| 05:56.27 | somekool | ok, so I'm not on drug :P |
| 05:56.37 | marcusU | Oh, and KMail just crashed on me. |
| 05:56.38 | somekool | thanks |
| 05:56.44 | somekool | 3.5 ? |
| 05:56.48 | marcusU | Yes. |
| 05:56.59 | somekool | hope you can get a backtrace out of it ? |
| 05:57.40 | marcusU | I can drag messages to a different folder, but I cannot drag folders in the leftmost pane anywhere. |
| 05:57.46 | somekool | I think I'll submit a wish to move folders around,... I think kmail is the only one you can't do it... I have some local folders on a old computer I need to transfer to my IMAP,... doing folder per folder will take me years.... |
| 05:57.49 | marcusU | somekool: What would be the point of a backrace? |
| 05:58.16 | somekool | well, it crash you just said... backtrace are usefull for crashes, no ? |
| 05:58.47 | marcusU | somekool: No, the KDE devels do not want bug reports about backtraces unless they're a few weeks old. At least that's the response I got last time I reported one. |
| 05:59.02 | marcusU | I meant bug reports about crashes. |
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| 06:00.16 | somekool | ok, because you were using current trunk, so there would be too many backtrace to submit |
| 06:00.32 | marcusU | 3.5/branch. Not trunk. |
| 06:00.34 | somekool | if you run stable, backtrace are good to submit... |
| 06:01.07 | somekool | well, not trunk, its just confusing right now, but you know what I mean.. |
| 06:01.10 | marcusU | No, if you run stable, they will complain that your bug is too old. It's useless. |
| 06:01.36 | somekool | well, when is a good time to submit that an application crash then ? |
| 06:06.26 | marcusU | I submit bug reports, but I don't expect anyone to do anything with them. The KDE devels are very hostile about bugs. |
| 06:06.26 | marcusU | somekool: Never. Bug reports annoy the devels. |
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| 06:06.29 | somekool | connection problem , iguess |
| 06:06.29 | somekool | well, when is a good time to submit that an application crash then ? |
| 06:06.34 | marcusU | I do not know. |
| 06:09.35 | Dhraakellian | with amarok, I only submit a bug if the devs tell me to |
| 06:09.50 | straw | marcusU: you aren't supposed to pay any attention to developers. they're all crazy |
| 06:10.02 | frb | please file bugs anyway |
| 06:10.10 | straw | damn right |
| 06:10.11 | frb | devels hate bugs because it proves they are not perfect |
| 06:10.12 | marcusU | frb: Why? |
| 06:10.21 | Dhraakellian | then again, I usually run svn updated daily, and I paste hte BT's in the chan |
| 06:10.23 | frb | if no one files bugs, they don't get fixed |
| 06:10.30 | Dhraakellian | (well, with a pastebin...) |
| 06:10.36 | marcusU | And sometimes they still don't get fixed. |
| 06:10.46 | frb | that may be true |
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| 06:11.28 | marcusU | I wish people would paste more into the channel instead of using those awkward pasting services. There should be a way to make irc work better. |
| 06:11.44 | frb | I ilke pasting services |
| 06:12.05 | frb | especially since pastebin does syntax highlighting |
| 06:13.13 | somekool | pasting more than 3 lines on IRC is annoying |
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| 06:13.41 | frb | trying to paste 3 lines with / in them is annoying |
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| 06:14.39 | somekool | frb especially yes, but under BitchX i use to know by heart how to change the command caracter back and forth |
| 06:14.40 | marcusU | somekool: IRC needs to be revamped with some kind of folding markers. |
| 06:14.50 | frb | meh |
| 06:14.58 | somekool | something like /set CMD_CHAR . (paste) .set CMS_CHAR / |
| 06:15.08 | marcusU | So people can pasta stuff and it just shows up as an icon or something. |
| 06:15.23 | somekool | marcusU: that be nice ;) |
| 06:15.25 | frb | I run epic in screen over ssh, don't ry and force any gui stuff on me |
| 06:15.31 | marcusU | epic? |
| 06:15.53 | frb | ever heard of ircII? |
| 06:15.58 | marcusU | Oh great. Now kopete does not even compile. |
| 06:16.02 | marcusU | No, I haven't, frb |
| 06:16.04 | somekool | multilines paste get automatically sent to a pasting service, the URL is shown and the content of the paste is shown my mousing over the URL :) |
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| 06:16.29 | somekool | frb: I use to say the same thing.... |
| 06:16.56 | somekool | marcusU: command line irc client, if you're not into it, don't bother |
| 06:16.58 | marcusU | Something is messed up wth the mailefile. |
| 06:17.01 | marcusU | somekool: Okay. |
| 06:17.09 | frb | don't get me wrong, I like gui clients, but I much prefer having a client I can connect to and use from anywhere, as long as I have an ssh client |
| 06:17.25 | somekool | how's my mouseover idea with auto pasting service submission ? ;) |
| 06:17.35 | marcusU | I don't understand. The only place I can use irc is here at home. |
| 06:18.31 | somekool | frb true enough, but then everytimes I connect to a computer, I scroll IRC buffer up to see what I missed ... and then lose too much time, because I was always on 4 networks / 25 channels |
| 06:18.40 | somekool | so I kinda a give and connect only when I want to |
| 06:18.54 | frb | I'm on 4 channels |
| 06:19.07 | frb | I check /lastlog frb |
| 06:19.18 | frb | if it shows nothing, I don't care about the scrollback |
| 06:19.22 | somekool | marcusU: can't use IRC at work ? well, use a command line IRC client, open it in a screen and when you are at work, you SSH at home and open your screen |
| 06:19.32 | marcusU | somekool: I don't even have computer access at work. |
| 06:20.22 | somekool | how about a PDA ? you mean, you can't use the internet at all ???? |
| 06:20.26 | somekool | i mean ... ? |
| 06:20.30 | marcusU | somekool: I don't have a PDA. |
| 06:20.33 | somekool | how .... how can you .... |
| 06:20.38 | somekool | ... survive ? |
| 06:20.51 | frb | anyway, every time I switched from a wireless to a wired network my irc client would disconnect |
| 06:21.02 | marcusU | At least, there are computers around in some areas, but I don't really have my own. I could have to do to one of the big open ofices to use it. |
| 06:21.07 | somekool | frb: THAT is annoying |
| 06:21.12 | memLeaker | ok..it looks like i may have probs with my kde, xterm, xorg..something. whats the best thing to do here. |
| 06:21.25 | frb | so I use epic in screen over an ssh connection |
| 06:21.29 | memLeaker | i just need this to function as designed |
| 06:21.38 | somekool | memLeaker: what is the problem ? |
| 06:21.46 | frb | memLeaker: the best thing to do is get an easier distro until you collect some more cluepons |
| 06:21.51 | memLeaker | kde locks up on startup |
| 06:21.52 | marcusU | I don't have a full-time position where they give me an office or a computer, somekool |
| 06:22.08 | somekool | frb I wish GUI clients should be in fact GUI frontend to epic_over_ssh ;) |
| 06:22.10 | marcusU | If you're upgrading from 3.4 to 3.5 or from earlier 3.5 to later 3.5, that's normal. It's very bad. |
| 06:22.15 | memLeaker | how else will someone learn if they dont hash away at it |
| 06:22.18 | somekool | ther eis an idea ;) |
| 06:22.37 | marcusU | Huh? |
| 06:22.39 | marcusU | I'm lost. |
| 06:22.47 | somekool | memLeaker: try creating a new user profile ... or move you ~/.kde folder way (mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-backup) and restart |
| 06:22.52 | frb | marcusU: he's a newb, and he chose gentoo as his first experience for linux |
| 06:23.09 | marcusU | frb: That's just stupid. |
| 06:23.37 | frb | I |
| 06:23.42 | memLeaker | i had a guy that helped write the distro & he's having tuff time...he's remoted in a couple times but is still checkin it out. hes busy right now & thats why im askin you guys. he said here was a wealth of knowledge |
| 06:23.48 | frb | I've never had pizza before, so I'll make my own |
| 06:23.51 | somekool | marcusU: i was joking, mainly... acting like the sterotype guy you can't live without checking his email every 47.3 seconds... oh wait ... that's me |
| 06:24.13 | frb | why does my pizza taste like a horses ass? |
| 06:24.15 | Ghostbuster | hello all |
| 06:24.46 | marcusU | somekool: I just can't find a full-time job. So I have to do all my work at home and just teach when I'm at work. |
| 06:24.47 | somekool | gentoo is very famous to be hard, but in fact, its quite user friendly I think |
| 06:24.53 | somekool | emerge -av world # done |
| 06:25.00 | king_elessar | memLeaker: have a look @ ~/Xsession-errors |
| 06:25.03 | frb | somekool: it's easy, if you have basic knowlege of linux |
| 06:25.04 | somekool | emerge kde # done |
| 06:25.21 | somekool | maybe... i do have 'em, so many I dont realizze |
| 06:25.23 | frb | somekool: if you can't even add an entry to PATH, you shouldn't use gentoo |
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| 06:25.32 | lauri | marcus: because we don't put packages in /usr |
| 06:25.36 | lord_crow | hello! |
| 06:25.39 | marcusU | somekool: I never could get gentoo to do anything useful. After 3 days of constant downloading and compiling, I gave up. |
| 06:25.40 | lauri | most things go into /usr/local and some into /usr/X11R6 |
| 06:25.53 | marcusU | I couldn't even get my printer working. |
| 06:25.59 | somekool | memLeaker: Distribution ? |
| 06:26.03 | memLeaker | wel it is user friendly...i have everything else up pretty well |
| 06:26.11 | memLeaker | wireless, video, etc.. |
| 06:26.12 | marcusU | lauri: /usr/X11 and /usr/X11R6 seem to be throwbacks. |
| 06:26.14 | lauri | (and please, can we keep the distro lurve out of here, KDE is by nature quite neutral, and so is this channel) |
| 06:26.19 | memLeaker | Gentoo |
| 06:26.28 | marcusU | lurve? |
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| 06:26.50 | lauri | marcusU: considering our hier(7) predates the LSB by about 10 years, and is rigidly adhered to, one could debate if it's standard for our platform vs a throwback |
| 06:27.02 | frb | I don't care what you use, as long as you are competent enough to use it |
| 06:27.02 | xerophyte | Does anybody know any good svn GUI for linux .. i have rapidsvn its acting wierd ??? |
| 06:27.04 | somekool | memLeaker: try OpenSuSE it's the new best thing |
| 06:27.18 | marcusU | lauri: hier? |
| 06:27.31 | lauri | our file system layout rules |
| 06:27.31 | somekool | memLeaker: try to manage your computer yourself, or you'll always be lost and never learn anything... when you encounter un problem, try google. |
| 06:27.42 | somekool | google IS a wealth of knowledge |
| 06:27.46 | marcusU | somekool: You're mean. |
| 06:27.49 | somekool | not us poor insomniacs |
| 06:27.51 | king_elessar | memLeaker: sorry ~/.Xsession-errors |
| 06:28.02 | memLeaker | doesnt make any sense..everything else works good. shouldnt be rocket science to get this working i don't believe |
| 06:28.12 | somekool | frb: i like your pizza analogy |
| 06:28.20 | memLeaker | i know its not difficult. i just needto attain the knowledge |
| 06:28.25 | marcusU | somekool: You're making me hungry. |
| 06:28.41 | lauri | memLeaker: you do need to learn *how* to ask questions |
| 06:28.58 | marcusU | Aw. I miss frb-away always |
| 06:28.59 | marcusU | already |
| 06:29.03 | memLeaker | ive been asking questions |
| 06:29.09 | memLeaker | in 3 dfferent rooms |
| 06:29.17 | memLeaker | many many...and reading all that i can |
| 06:29.19 | lauri | no, you've been making random statements |
| 06:29.57 | lauri | you need to provide your distribution, your version of it, your version of KDE (there may be a known issue with the combination, and it let's us know what features you have and don't have, so we can make more informed guesses what's wrong) |
| 06:30.06 | king_elessar | memLeaker: Have a look @ ~/.xsession-errors |
| 06:30.08 | memLeaker | no...these statements have come from others advice in this room and i have produced the results |
| 06:30.21 | lauri | you need to provide *precise* error messages (cut and pasted, *not* paraphrased, very subtle differences in the wording of very similar error messages can make the world of difference) |
| 06:30.26 | somekool | xerophyte: kdesvn no ? if I remember the name correctly, it integrates in konqueror and you can just right click to do svn operations |
| 06:30.42 | lauri | you need to be more precise about what's going on than "it locks up", because that means very different things to many people |
| 06:30.43 | marcusU | I wish cervisia did svn. |
| 06:30.51 | lauri | is the screen locked, but the keyboard still works (does hitting num lock flash the led) |
| 06:31.01 | lauri | can you ssh in, can you switch to a console |
| 06:31.03 | memLeaker | it completely locks the system |
| 06:31.17 | lauri | debugging the problem is vastly simplified if we know this |
| 06:31.33 | lauri | have you just changed hardware, upgraded anything in particular, installed something new? |
| 06:31.55 | lauri | (for instance, about the only thing KDE can get at that can lock the entire system hard, is the video drivers and perhaps the sound) |
| 06:32.09 | somekool | marcusU: mean ? sorry I did not meant to... on which line ? about memLeaker to use his computer himself.. well I think its thebest tip ever... its the only way to learn.. |
| 06:32.10 | memLeaker | no..i just installed this less than a week ago. i had my friend check my work & said all looks well. |
| 06:32.16 | lauri | if you just upgraded either of those, or your kernel, or X, we need to know, because they are much more likely culprits |
| 06:32.31 | somekool | when you have a friend ssh in all the time fixing everything,.. problems are not gonna end. |
| 06:32.41 | memLeaker | i have tried multiple video drivers & all produce the same results |
| 06:32.43 | marcusU | somekool: I'm not sure what your comment was in response to. It's kind of confusing in here tonight. |
| 06:33.01 | lauri | somekool: yes, we got that, so let's be proactive and teach him how to troubleshoot, and how to ask questions effectively |
| 06:33.04 | memLeaker | i know the drivers are correct..i used the generic and specific drivers for this |
| 06:33.24 | lauri | that proves nothing other than it is affecting both |
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| 06:33.30 | memLeaker | no somekool...he ssh'd in for only this prob |
| 06:33.44 | lauri | and without knowing what the drivers are - they could in fact be virtually the same |
| 06:34.26 | lauri | so: does X lock if you don't run KDE (if you take away your .xinitrc if you use startx, or if you just choose a bare x session if you use a *dm) |
| 06:34.57 | lauri | and I should know already how you're starting it because that should have been one of the first pieces of information you give when you're asking about startup problems |
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| 06:35.06 | memLeaker | X des not lock by itself |
| 06:35.12 | lauri | if yes, does it happen for other users (create one if you need to, it doesn't take a minute) |
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| 06:35.52 | lauri | because it could be something in your specific session (some legacy applications don't take kindly to session management, which is fine, because they can be excluded from it) |
| 06:36.18 | somekool | thanks lauri for taking the time ... |
| 06:36.37 | lauri | easily ruled out by starting a clean session (and that's most easily proven by running with a brand new never-used-before user, so we can be very sure you have no left over environment or configuration settings from your own user) |
| 06:36.52 | lauri | be sure to not su to this new user, log *out* of the console and back in, if you are starting X with startx |
| 06:37.00 | memLeaker | X does not lock by itself. i created a new user & produces same results |
| 06:37.29 | memLeaker | i used your specified method |
| 06:38.30 | lauri | by X does not lock by itself, you mean, if you start x with no .xinitrc, there is no problem |
| 06:39.00 | memLeaker | just starting with X instead of startx |
| 06:39.07 | memLeaker | because my startx calls kde |
| 06:39.22 | lauri | so, move your .xinitrc to .xinitrc-old |
| 06:39.38 | lauri | (running X doesn't do the same thing as running startx, even with no xinitrc) |
| 06:39.39 | memLeaker | thanks ahead of time for helping me. i do tech support & i know i get irritated & i get paid for it. i know your doing this on your own time & i appreciate it |
| 06:40.26 | lauri | ok, then you understand what I mean when I say you need to ask clearer questions |
| 06:40.27 | memLeaker | k..moved it |
| 06:40.48 | lauri | I'm not trying to be a pain, I'm trying to help you help yourself, it'll benefit everyone long term |
| 06:41.12 | memLeaker | no probs here. i would just like this to work right :) |
| 06:41.56 | lauri | I used to do this for a living, and that was back when people knew a whole lot less about computers than they do now |
| 06:42.23 | memLeaker | people still barely know about computers...lol |
| 06:42.25 | lauri | but the real test of patience was the year I worked IBM's Aptiva phone assistance line the first working day after christmas |
| 06:42.28 | lauri | you cannot imagine |
| 06:42.30 | memLeaker | but this linux is new to me |
| 06:42.43 | memLeaker | oh....wow |
| 06:43.25 | memLeaker | i do tech support for tax preparers software..first filing week is hell |
| 06:43.36 | lauri | (they paid us triple time to volunteer (I was actually a hardware service tech), and still couldn't fill the staff rota that entire week :) |
| 06:43.55 | memLeaker | damn wish i was offered that... |
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| 06:44.21 | lauri | oh man, trust me, by day two, I was begging them to just find me a padded room |
| 06:44.29 | lauri | there were people phoning still trying to figure out how to open the boxes |
| 06:44.39 | memLeaker | i do tech for hardware, networking, software & internet right now |
| 06:44.45 | memLeaker | LMAO |
| 06:44.50 | memLeaker | that sux |
| 06:45.09 | marcusU | Sounds like I came at a bad time. |
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| 06:45.55 | lauri | so, anyway, for a new user, never run KDE before, it still locks up |
| 06:46.29 | memLeaker | yes...last step performed was renaming the xinitrc...what do yo want me to do next |
| 06:46.39 | memLeaker | create new user & try again? |
| 06:46.40 | mjobin | lauri: to open the box ? they tried what pencils ? |
| 06:46.43 | lauri | run startx |
| 06:46.51 | lauri | yes |
| 06:46.51 | memLeaker | ok |
| 06:47.13 | lauri | mjobin: heh "Is it ok to use a knife to cut the tape, or will I cut the computer" |
| 06:47.28 | mjobin | :) |
| 06:47.31 | mjobin | hilarous |
| 06:47.43 | lauri | "no sir, the computer is packed in polystyrene packaging material, and you are quite safe to cut the tape with a knife, but I recommend you specifically use blunt ended scissors" |
| 06:47.47 | mjobin | i did support for rich people trying to connect to internet in their hotels rooms |
| 06:47.54 | marcusU | lauri: There are some packing situations where you are not supposed to use a knife like that. |
| 06:48.04 | lauri | (ok, the last bit was just in my head, but you really want to say something like that) |
| 06:48.14 | lauri | marcusU: and they say so on the box :) |
| 06:48.31 | marcusU | lauri: Okay. I'm not terribly bright. :-( |
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| 06:49.54 | marcusU | What about the ones that have on the inside of the box, "The box contains delicate materials that should not have been opened with sharp implements"? |
| 06:49.56 | memLeaker | ok..results |
| 06:50.06 | memLeaker | xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/test/.Xauthority |
| 06:50.34 | lauri | the most common problem was people plugging their network cards into the phone jacks (rj45 phone jacks in NZ) |
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| 06:51.02 | lauri | and then phoning to find out why they couldn't dial their shiny new telecom internet package that came free with the computer |
| 06:51.03 | marcusU | My phone jacks aren't rj anything in the house. |
| 06:51.11 | lauri | memLeaker: well, that's a start |
| 06:51.15 | mjobin | lauri: memLeaker: so have you figured what is wrong ? |
| 06:51.19 | lauri | marcus: you live in NZ? |
| 06:51.25 | marcusU | They're some kind of 4 prong plug. |
| 06:51.29 | lauri | not yet |
| 06:51.31 | lauri | memLeaker: so, do you have xauth installed? |
| 06:51.33 | marcusU | lauri: No, I do not not. |
| 06:51.39 | lauri | memLeaker: you can check with which (whcih xauth) |
| 06:51.40 | mjobin | X does not start at all or it freeze ? |
| 06:51.49 | lauri | except you should spell it right |
| 06:52.11 | lauri | mjobin: we are working on it, and honestly, someone going off on a tangent right now won't help |
| 06:52.21 | lauri | so, just wait a minute until we've tried this, then he's all yours |
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| 06:52.49 | memLeaker | usr/bin/xauth |
| 06:53.08 | mjobin | just in case you guys need to keep an eye on your expenses and start maintaining your budget,... you can check out my new webapp at http://justbudget.com/ |
| 06:53.09 | memLeaker | its installed |
| 06:53.13 | lauri | memLeaker: assuming you have xauth installed, you need to check the permissions on /tmp/.X11-unix and /tmp/.ICE-unix |
| 06:53.24 | lauri | mjobin: don't spam in here, please |
| 06:53.39 | thechris | kdetv crashes with ... failed |
| 06:53.46 | lauri | memLeaker: they should be root:root and with 1777 permissions |
| 06:53.46 | thechris | anyone have suggestiosn |
| 06:53.50 | mjobin | ok ok ok |
| 06:53.56 | lauri | (ie: drwxrwxrwt) |
| 06:54.05 | memLeaker | full perms for both |
| 06:54.09 | memLeaker | just like you have typed |
| 06:54.21 | mjobin | well I'm gonna go to bed, see you later |
| 06:54.22 | lauri | given that X starts and KDE does not, and KDE uses ICE and not all X does, that's a likely candidate, since it won't run with anything else |
| 06:54.53 | lauri | memLeaker: and there is space on whatever partition /tmp is on? (and inodes, check with df -i) |
| 06:55.01 | lauri | because no room to write anything in there would also make it fall over |
| 06:55.26 | memLeaker | yes. plenty of room |
| 06:56.15 | lauri | you did log out and back in as this new user, right |
| 06:56.17 | lauri | not su or sudo |
| 06:56.19 | memLeaker | yes i did |
| 06:56.23 | memLeaker | no su |
| 06:56.39 | lauri | I hate to tell you this, but xauth is practically voodoo |
| 06:56.49 | lauri | (check out it's man page, you'll see what I mean) |
| 06:56.59 | lauri | sendmail is easier to fix than broken xauth :) |
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| 06:57.49 | memLeaker | it says xdm creates the authority file...should i rn that first then try the startx |
| 06:58.05 | lauri | the error you are getting, is due to a stale lock file |
| 06:58.07 | lauri | no! |
| 06:58.10 | memLeaker | ok |
| 06:58.21 | lauri | that'll really confuse issues |
| 06:58.28 | jeh | heh, xauth is voodoo allright |
| 06:58.33 | lauri | the question is how you could have a stale lock file, the first time you ran X |
| 06:59.39 | lauri | so, do you have an ~/.Xauthority for that user |
| 06:59.47 | lauri | and what permissions does it have? |
| 07:00.29 | lauri | and in fact, check that the user was created owning it's own home directory |
| 07:00.33 | memLeaker | if tha would be in y home dir for that user, then no |
| 07:00.37 | lauri | (I know, that sounds dumb, but it's actually not too hard to break) |
| 07:00.45 | lauri | no, it would be in the user in question |
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| 07:01.29 | memLeaker | sorrry. no xauthority files exists in new users home dir |
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| 07:01.43 | lauri | .Xauthority |
| 07:01.44 | memLeaker | oh...one sec |
| 07:01.51 | lauri | with a dot and a big X |
| 07:02.07 | memLeaker | how do i change the owner of the dir |
| 07:02.17 | lauri | chown (as root) |
| 07:02.25 | lauri | and that's the most likely cause of this |
| 07:02.41 | lauri | it's why I mentioned don't use su at all, while debugging |
| 07:02.57 | lauri | (su does not reset the entire environment: if you *must* use su, do always 'su -') |
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| 07:03.23 | memLeaker | got it changed |
| 07:03.33 | lauri | without the dash, it does reset some things, like $HOME, but not everything, and it's really really easy to get your nonprivileged user unable to write to it's own home directory |
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| 07:03.37 | memLeaker | start x fires up a litle white console window |
| 07:03.42 | lauri | and boy is that a bad situation |
| 07:03.50 | lauri | exactly as it should |
| 07:04.10 | memLeaker | im learning |
| 07:04.12 | lauri | so exit that (type exit in the little white console window) |
| 07:04.15 | memLeaker | did |
| 07:04.48 | lauri | ok, check the rest of your files in that directory for ownership |
| 07:04.58 | lauri | especially any .ICE* files |
| 07:05.13 | memLeaker | only have the xauthorit file and a bash_history file |
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| 07:05.30 | lauri | ok, no .kde either? |
| 07:05.36 | memLeaker | no |
| 07:05.38 | lauri | that's good |
| 07:05.48 | lauri | so make a .xinitrc, just put 'exec startkde' in it, and run startx again |
| 07:06.10 | lauri | let's see what happens |
| 07:06.59 | memLeaker | locked |
| 07:07.08 | memLeaker | okay..more specific |
| 07:07.24 | lauri | so, you can't get at a console either? or ssh to it? |
| 07:07.26 | lauri | it's completely hung |
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| 07:07.30 | memLeaker | gives solid gray background, window starts to load & locks before it completes painting the screen |
| 07:07.35 | memLeaker | mouse will move |
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| 07:07.39 | memLeaker | but no keyboard commands |
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| 07:07.48 | lauri | that's a start |
| 07:07.58 | lauri | can you access it remotely (I'm assuming you're here on another computer :) |
| 07:08.24 | memLeaker | yes, i'm on my desktop here & my laptop is running gentoo |
| 07:08.26 | lauri | if you can, kill X (please try kill -15 <pid-of-X> first, before 9, I want to see just how locked up it is |
| 07:08.37 | memLeaker | couldnt do anything |
| 07:08.46 | lauri | can't ssh in? |
| 07:08.49 | memLeaker | oh |
| 07:08.50 | memLeaker | isee |
| 07:08.59 | memLeaker | sorry...i got ahead of you and restarted the laptop |
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| 07:09.27 | memLeaker | i have more files here now in the home dir |
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| 07:09.28 | lauri | ok, let's try something else |
| 07:09.38 | lauri | yes, good, but open the .xinitrc |
| 07:09.48 | lauri | change 'exec startkde' to 'exec xterm' |
| 07:09.48 | memLeaker | k |
| 07:09.56 | lauri | and run startx |
| 07:10.10 | lauri | you'll get boring grey, one terminal |
| 07:10.32 | lauri | type startkde in there (it'll probably lock too, but this time, we should be able to see on screen in the terminal, where it was up to, and maybe even a useful error message) |
| 07:11.09 | lauri | I'm still suspecting xauth issues to be honest, but until we pin down an actual error log it's still just guessing |
| 07:11.48 | memLeaker | mm..lots of warnings from kbuildsycoca |
| 07:11.50 | lauri | (also, have you left it for a while? it didn't occur to me to ask, but since you went and restarted it so quickly, there is in fact another very common error that *can* cause an up to 2 minute timeout while starting KDE - have you ever left it that long to see what happens?) |
| 07:12.00 | lauri | ignore those, it's whiny and very verbose |
| 07:12.24 | lauri | (unless that's where it stops, and kbuildsycoca is crashing, in which case, hey, now we know where the problem is |
| 07:12.30 | memLeaker | havent left it long enough...i'll see |
| 07:13.05 | memLeaker | last line before ockup is font::setPointSize: Point Size <= 0 (-3) |
| 07:13.06 | lauri | I'm going to go find coffee then |
| 07:13.52 | lauri | anything interesting in the last say, 10 lines back? |
| 07:13.56 | lauri | or just sycoca warnings |
| 07:14.16 | lauri | (in any case, let's let it sit there for a couple or three minutes, just to be sure) |
| 07:14.48 | memLeaker | all sycoca warnings |
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| 07:20.42 | lauri | ok, restart it, this time, ssh in from your desktop *before* starting X, in fact, do it twice, and run top in one shell, and leave the other open so we can maybe use it |
| 07:22.30 | memLeaker | ok..got ssh running but dont know what you mean by do it twice |
| 07:22.47 | lauri | open another shell |
| 07:22.55 | lauri | ssh in again |
| 07:22.57 | lauri | run top in one of them |
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| 07:23.11 | memLeaker | i dont know what top is |
| 07:23.27 | lauri | just run it, I do, and you're about to learn :) |
| 07:23.33 | memLeaker | ok |
| 07:23.51 | lauri | (in fact, you'll probably see immediately what it's doing) |
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| 07:26.13 | memLeaker | ok..logged in remotely twice..one is root and other is my test guy |
| 07:26.20 | memLeaker | ran top |
| 07:26.31 | lauri | ok |
| 07:26.48 | memLeaker | top lists all processes looks like |
| 07:26.53 | lauri | leave it running, where you can see it, and on the laptop, run startx again (ie, actually at the laptop, not in the ssh sessions) |
| 07:27.04 | lauri | yup |
| 07:27.06 | lauri | with what resources they are using |
| 07:27.12 | memLeaker | i like this |
| 07:27.14 | lauri | so if the issue is something is going wild and taking so much cpu time you can't get in, we can see what it is |
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| 07:27.28 | lauri | and in the other shell, you might just be able to kill it |
| 07:27.34 | memLeaker | gotcha |
| 07:27.42 | lauri | which might leave us with useful logs to look at |
| 07:27.52 | lauri | (since rebooting tends not to) |
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| 07:28.54 | memLeaker | run the 'startkde' in the white console again? |
| 07:29.32 | lauri | just a sec |
| 07:30.02 | lauri | this time, try script <somefilename.log> startkde |
| 07:30.12 | lauri | (script captures all output, and puts it in the <somefilename> |
| 07:30.14 | lauri | ) |
| 07:30.16 | memLeaker | X is taking 99.9 percent of cpu |
| 07:30.19 | memLeaker | k.. |
| 07:30.34 | lauri | again, trying to see if we can get some kind of log that I can look at directly |
| 07:30.42 | lauri | X itself is? nasty |
| 07:31.04 | lauri | ok, back to your ssh sessions, can you kill it in the other one |
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| 07:32.58 | lauri | (you can get the PID from one of the columns in top, so in the other terminal, try send it kill <pid> (kill -9 only if that doesn't work, it's the software equivalent of hitting that reset button, and should only be a last resort) |
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| 07:34.24 | memLeaker | didnt let me kill it thorugh the other ssh |
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| 07:35.13 | lauri | was that the root one? |
| 07:35.27 | lauri | did it just sit there, or did it say you couldn't |
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| 07:36.18 | memLeaker | just sat there |
| 07:36.33 | memLeaker | goingg to run it with the script thing this time |
| 07:36.43 | lauri | ok |
| 07:36.57 | lauri | then you can send me the log file |
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| 07:37.05 | lauri | but I'm fairly well mystified right now |
| 07:38.18 | memLeaker | when i say script blah.log startkde it says script is started but doesnt do anything else |
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| 07:41.09 | lauri | urk, maybe script doesn't work the same on linux :) |
| 07:41.17 | lauri | ok, ctrl-c it |
| 07:41.25 | lauri | try this for me: just run kwin in there, like this: kwin & |
| 07:41.33 | lauri | see what happens |
| 07:42.14 | memLeaker | [1] 9191 is what i get when i type kwin & |
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| 07:43.19 | lauri | ok, but do you get window decorations on the terminal |
| 07:43.34 | memLeaker | nothing on the terminal |
| 07:43.35 | lauri | nothing? anything? |
| 07:43.51 | lauri | you know what I mean by window decorations right? |
| 07:44.07 | lauri | frame around, buttons for close minimize etc |
| 07:44.24 | memLeaker | no...just now received a messge 'canot connect to x server' |
| 07:44.35 | lauri | and we're back to xauth |
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| 07:45.00 | memLeaker | something i need to start for this to run? |
| 07:45.01 | lauri | and notice how long that took? |
| 07:45.10 | memLeaker | ya..bout 30 -45 seconds |
| 07:45.11 | lauri | because it's also possibly involving dns |
| 07:45.27 | lauri | so first thing, check that you have a hostname set, and that you have an entry in /etc/hosts for your machine |
| 07:46.19 | memLeaker | i have host name set...there is an entry in the /etc/hosts file |
| 07:46.35 | lauri | can I see please? |
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| 07:46.44 | memLeaker | sure..how do i do that |
| 07:46.51 | memLeaker | would you like to remote to my machine? |
| 07:46.58 | memLeaker | or just a cut + past job |
| 07:47.11 | lauri | first promise me you'll never say that on a public irc channel ever again :) |
| 07:47.27 | lauri | (I'm nice and all, but you don't know that for sure) |
| 07:47.35 | lauri | type it in |
| 07:47.38 | memLeaker | # /etc/hosts: This file describes a number of hostname-to-address |
| 07:47.38 | memLeaker | # mappings for the TCP/IP subsystem. It is mostly |
| 07:47.38 | memLeaker | # used at boot time, when no name servers are running. |
| 07:47.38 | memLeaker | # On small systems, this file can be used instead of a |
| 07:47.38 | memLeaker | # "named" name server. Just add the names, addresses |
| 07:47.39 | memLeaker | # and any aliases to this file... |
| 07:47.41 | memLeaker | # $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-src/rc-scripts/etc/hosts,v 1.8 2003/08/04 20:12:25 azarah Exp $ |
| 07:47.43 | lauri | do you use dhcp or did you assign an ip address? |
| 07:47.43 | memLeaker | # |
| 07:47.45 | lauri | ehm |
| 07:47.45 | memLeaker | 127.0.0.1 devMobile.SimpleCreations devMobile localhost |
| 07:47.47 | memLeaker | # IPV6 versions of localhost and co |
| 07:47.49 | memLeaker | ::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback |
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| 07:47.51 | memLeaker | fe00::0 ip6-localnet |
| 07:47.53 | lauri | not all of it |
| 07:47.53 | memLeaker | ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix |
| 07:47.55 | lauri | just the two lines about your box |
| 07:47.55 | memLeaker | ff02::1 ip6-allnodes |
| 07:47.57 | memLeaker | ff02::2 ip6-allrouters |
| 07:47.59 | memLeaker | ff02::3 ip6-allhosts |
| 07:48.01 | memLeaker | dhcp |
| 07:48.03 | lauri | and there we are |
| 07:48.03 | memLeaker | sorry |
| 07:48.19 | lauri | that is not right |
| 07:48.41 | lauri | you want two lines like this: |
| 07:48.43 | lauri | 127.0.0.1 localhost.fruitsalad.org localhost |
| 07:48.45 | lauri | 192.168.15.6 citron.fruitsalad.org citron |
| 07:49.03 | lauri | if you have dhcp, you can skip the second, and *add* your hostname to the first |
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| 07:49.35 | memLeaker | then i should be ok..i have dhcp so no second line and devMobile is host name |
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| 07:49.56 | Revanger | lauri is a HOMOSEXUAL |
| 07:49.57 | lauri | no, that's my point |
| 07:49.59 | lauri | you *need* the second line |
| 07:50.03 | Revanger | FUCK HIM MOTHER |
| 07:50.07 | lauri | you wish Revanger |
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| 07:50.27 | lauri | and I'm a girl |
| 07:50.28 | Revanger | lauri is a HOMOSEXUAL FUCK HIM MOTHER WHEN HE CANT HELP HI WILL ban YOU FROM CHEANNEL |
| 07:50.35 | monster | yeah sure |
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| 07:50.38 | Revanger | FUCK YOU feat PUSSY |
| 07:50.45 | lauri | she |
| 07:50.45 | Revanger | FUCK YOU feat PUSSY |
| 07:50.46 | Revanger | lauri is a HOMOSEXUAL FUCK HIM MOTHER WHEN HE CANT HELP HI WILL ban YOU FROM CHEANNEL |
| 07:50.47 | lauri | I'm a she |
| 07:50.48 | Revanger | lauri is a HOMOSEXUAL FUCK HIM MOTHER WHEN HE CANT HELP HI WILL ban YOU FROM CHEANNEL |
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| 07:51.12 | Wilf | that was...good... |
| 07:51.14 | Wilf | :\ |
| 07:51.16 | monster | yeah |
| 07:51.49 | memLeaker | ok...so i need the second line which will statically assign an internal address? |
| 07:52.09 | memLeaker | though i'm uing dhcp, right? |
| 07:52.13 | memLeaker | using |
| 07:52.53 | lauri | heh, sorry about that, spillover from another channel |
| 07:53.06 | memLeaker | np |
| 07:53.09 | lauri | I thought you said you weren't using dhcp? |
| 07:53.12 | memLeaker | i am |
| 07:53.18 | memLeaker | i am using dhcp |
| 07:54.13 | lauri | ok, you still need localhost.your.fqdn + localhost + your hostname in there |
| 07:54.53 | lauri | the long timeout on running commands is related to your machine having to do a DNS lookup to find itself |
| 07:55.10 | memLeaker | k..i'll change the devMobile to localhost |
| 07:56.10 | memLeaker | done |
| 07:56.14 | lauri | you want to be able to do 'host devMobile' and 'host localhost' and ping both, from itself, and get an immediate answer |
| 07:56.47 | memLeaker | so do i add a second line for devMobile.SimpleCreations? |
| 07:57.01 | memLeaker | right now its localhost.SimpleCreations localhost |
| 07:57.01 | lauri | no |
| 07:57.27 | lauri | ok, just a sec, I don't do dhcp much, let me go look at one of mine (why don't I do it? because it's a pain in the butt :) |
| 07:57.43 | memLeaker | 127.0.0.1 localhost.SimpleCreations localhost |
| 07:57.49 | memLeaker | that is my line now |
| 07:58.10 | lauri | "just a sec" means please wait a bit |
| 07:58.14 | memLeaker | i gotcha |
| 07:58.46 | lauri | I have to boot my laptop and check the syntax (the order matters, when you don't have a static ip address) |
| 07:59.12 | lauri | ok |
| 08:00.16 | lauri | okie dokie: you want to have this: 127.0.01 devMobile.SimpleCreations.com localhost.SimpleCreations.com localhost devMobile |
| 08:00.37 | lauri | s/com/net whatever you are (you do need that part too though) |
| 08:01.05 | lauri | fqdn means 'fully qualified domain name' which basically means 'all the pieces of it' |
| 08:01.49 | memLeaker | got it |
| 08:02.35 | lauri | the nice thing about hosts entries, they take effect immediately |
| 08:02.57 | lauri | so now, quit X from that terminal again (type exit in the terminal window) |
| 08:03.42 | memLeaker | ok |
| 08:03.57 | lauri | rm rf .Xauthority .ICEauthority .DCop* .kde (ie, strip that users home directory of anything auth related, or anywhere the hostname stuff might be recorded, and it's kde config) |
| 08:04.00 | lauri | and try again |
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| 08:06.04 | memLeaker | so, startx, then startkde from console? |
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| 08:07.57 | memLeaker | same thing..locks on Qfont::setPointSize & is using 100% cpu for X |
| 08:08.24 | lauri | nuts |
| 08:08.45 | memLeaker | I really appreciate the help you've given me and I hope to catch you at a more decent time tomorrow or when you are free. I am thankful for your great patience with me but I have work in 3 hours and I have training after work as well. I hope I can find you or someone as helpful as you soon at a good time so I can get this working. |
| 08:09.55 | lauri | well, we've certainly solved some other things (your xauth and dns were broken as well :) |
| 08:10.13 | memLeaker | if my dns was broke, would that have prevented me from getting on websites? |
| 08:10.21 | lauri | so it wasn't a complete loss, but I'm really pretty much stumped at this point |
| 08:10.22 | memLeaker | cuase i've got on sites ok |
| 08:10.38 | memLeaker | oh crap...i was hoping you wouldnt be stumped damn it...lol |
| 08:10.39 | lauri | memLeaker: probably not, it would cause timeouts and slowness for X applications |
| 08:10.45 | memLeaker | gotcha |
| 08:11.23 | memLeaker | thank you very much for your time in helping me |
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| 09:37.02 | DocTomoe | Hi. Anyone being able to get talk.google.com to work with kopetes jabber plugin? |
| 09:37.22 | lord_crow | haha, google talk is the star today |
| 09:38.05 | lord_crow | i've been trying, but tsl complains and cannot connect... also with psi, it uses qca tsl too, only with gaim i can connect |
| 09:38.40 | lauri | the instructions on hans blog are wrong, it says on their site to use port 5222 not 5223 |
| 09:38.44 | DocTomoe | There's a guy on slashdot that claims he was able to, but I cannot reproduce. |
| 09:38.50 | lauri | but that just gets me a 'failed to create a secure connection' message |
| 09:39.07 | lord_crow | lauri: yes... that's right... that's the message |
| 09:39.50 | lord_crow | in talk.google.com says that you have to use 5222 , but... hummm... it's strange... in gaim works... |
| 09:40.27 | DocTomoe | google states it does no evil, but could they read out the client name and block clients they have not tested? |
| 09:41.07 | lord_crow | DocTomoe: i don't think so... because it says that psi works... but it doesn't... |
| 09:41.59 | lord_crow | maybe it's something that they need to fix with the tsl "handshake" from the server side... |
| 09:42.38 | DocTomoe | erm, the gaim example uses john.smith, not jon.smith@gmail.com ... every other source told me to use the fill gmail address. |
| 09:42.39 | DocTomoe | strange |
| 09:42.45 | lord_crow | my really hope is that the make a linux client ... in windows it's too nice |
| 09:42.53 | StarScream | i've got kopete working with it |
| 09:43.14 | lord_crow | StarScream: how did you configure it ? |
| 09:43.24 | StarScream | DocTomoe: you just need the TLS plugin and it worked fine |
| 09:43.54 | DocTomoe | StarScream: Where do I get that? |
| 09:43.58 | lord_crow | StarScream: that's the problem, the qca tls plugin doesn't seems to work... |
| 09:44.13 | lord_crow | DocTomoe: http://delta.affinix.com/qca/ |
| 09:44.37 | StarScream | lord_crow: what version? works for me with 3.4.2 |
| 09:44.44 | StarScream | slackware-current |
| 09:45.02 | lord_crow | StarScream: hell... slackware 10.1, but kde svn 3.5 |
| 09:45.05 | lord_crow | branch |
| 09:45.21 | lord_crow | but the tls plugin is from that link |
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| 09:46.25 | Neovanglist|Work | 'lo there |
| 09:46.28 | DocTomoe | Now it says ... "There was a Transport Layer Security (TLS) error: Failed to establish a secure connection." |
| 09:46.37 | lord_crow | lo Neovanglist|Work |
| 09:46.45 | Neovanglist|Work | anyone familar with konsole internals, particularly in regards to it's part |
| 09:46.54 | lord_crow | DocTomoe: that's the same thing that says to me |
| 09:46.56 | StarScream | lord_crow: yeh did you use the pugin qca-tls-1qca-tls-1.0.tar.bz2 ? |
| 09:46.58 | Neovanglist|Work | having some troubles with an embedded konsole part |
| 09:47.08 | DocTomoe | StarScream: I used the apt. |
| 09:47.17 | lord_crow | StarScream: that one and the slack one |
| 09:47.32 | StarScream | there is a slack one? |
| 09:47.43 | lord_crow | StarScream: yes, in the psi page |
| 09:48.00 | lord_crow | linuxpackages is soooooo empty... |
| 09:48.24 | StarScream | ah.. hrm..not sure guys. i didn't even have to restart kopete |
| 09:48.44 | lord_crow | no, you don't need to restart it... |
| 09:49.28 | StarScream | lord_crow: did you turn on cryptograhy in the kopete pluginis section? |
| 09:49.40 | lord_crow | erm... |
| 09:49.56 | lord_crow | nope... let's try with that |
| 09:50.34 | DocTomoe | turned it on, gave it my private key, didn't work |
| 09:51.29 | lord_crow | nopes... didn't work |
| 09:51.50 | StarScream | you shouldnt' need to give it your private key...basically when i connected it gave a "this cert is self signed, do you wish to accept" |
| 09:52.00 | StarScream | and when i did, it worked.... |
| 09:52.31 | DocTomoe | We're talking about the cryptography Plugin for encrypting messages. do we? |
| 09:52.57 | StarScream | did you select use protocol encryption (SSL) and allow plain text password authentication? |
| 09:53.27 | StarScream | i overrode the default server information and had talk.google.com |
| 09:53.30 | lord_crow | StarScream: the server does not allow plain authentication .. |
| 09:53.44 | StarScream | lord_crow: well I have both those ticked |
| 09:53.51 | StarScream | and it works, so give that a go |
| 09:54.19 | lord_crow | StarScream: that's because it tries first with SSL, then with plain |
| 09:54.27 | StarScream | my account is slackmase@gmail.com as well |
| 09:54.37 | lord_crow | but didn't work either |
| 09:56.44 | lord_crow | StarScream: are you using 5222 port ? |
| 09:56.59 | StarScream | lord_crow: just the default |
| 09:57.18 | DocTomoe | ?!? |
| 09:57.24 | lord_crow | wich is.... ? |
| 09:57.30 | DocTomoe | it clearly states that it uses 5222, does it? |
| 09:57.35 | StarScream | ah 5223 |
| 09:58.05 | DocTomoe | oh, new error messages :) |
| 09:58.14 | StarScream | what are you getting now? |
| 09:58.19 | DocTomoe | first, it tells me that there is a self-signes certificate and asks for confirmation |
| 09:58.23 | StarScream | yeh |
| 09:58.26 | StarScream | thats right |
| 09:58.35 | DocTomoe | then, it says "There was an error authenticating with the server: No appropriate authentication mechanism available." |
| 09:58.52 | StarScream | DocTomoe: did you tick SSL? |
| 09:59.15 | DocTomoe | jupp |
| 09:59.48 | StarScream | DocTomoe: you got the right qt TLS plugin? |
| 09:59.54 | lord_crow | my god... |
| 10:00.13 | DocTomoe | jupp, build it |
| 10:01.05 | DocTomoe | StarScream: Which one is the right TLS plugin? |
| 10:01.21 | DocTomoe | i am using qca-tls-1.0 |
| 10:01.22 | StarScream | DocTomoe: http://delta.affinix.com/qca/qca-tls-1.0.tar.bz2 |
| 10:01.38 | lord_crow | DocTomoe: what distro are you using ? |
| 10:01.44 | DocTomoe | ubuntu breezy |
| 10:02.39 | lord_crow | DocTomoe: so you don't have an qca tls package in the ubuntu repositories ? |
| 10:03.02 | DocTomoe | I have. it didn't work out, tought. therefore, i build it from source |
| 10:03.34 | lord_crow | i reinstalled my slack packages and magically worked... |
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| 10:13.24 | lord_crow | well now i got the "other" problem... devices in kopete.. |
| 10:16.29 | StarScream | devices ? |
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| 10:16.59 | ods15 | is there any kde program that just pops up some error message? |
| 10:16.59 | lord_crow | yeah, in kopete svn there's a new option, called devices, but when i click on it, it crashes |
| 10:17.12 | ods15 | (i thought there was a 'knotify' program that arts uses?...) |
| 10:17.22 | lord_crow | ods15: kdialog ? |
| 10:17.37 | ods15 | yes thankyou |
| 10:17.40 | lord_crow | np |
| 10:24.04 | DocTomoe | lord_crow: 3.5 is the development version. Things may keep breaking. |
| 10:24.50 | lord_crow | hehe yeah i know, but this option crashes on me since they implemented it |
| 10:25.12 | lord_crow | DocTomoe: because psi uses the same plugin that kopete |
| 10:25.22 | lord_crow | ...uses |
| 10:27.02 | DocTomoe | things that annoy me with kde ... douzends of programs that are utterly worthless for the large userbase (ktumberling), but it needs some kind of arcane incantations to get systems to work that are already thought of being implemented in standard applications (SSL-Connection to a jabber host) |
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| 10:30.55 | canllaith | I think you'd be foolish to make assumptions like that. |
| 10:31.04 | cbr | hi, is there any way to get the Trash icon working again on the desktop after you have deleted it once? |
| 10:31.06 | canllaith | If you don't want to install all of it, just don't. It's pretty easy =) |
| 10:31.11 | cbr | it only shows the trash as empty |
| 10:31.18 | cbr | doesnt change icon |
| 10:33.02 | DocTomoe | why oh why does this remind me on that scene in "Armageddon" where they take apart the NASAs Armadillo? |
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| 10:37.33 | lord_crow | i'm very tired... i'm going to sleep now... |
| 10:37.39 | lord_crow | g'morning |
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| 11:28.12 | arekm | does anyone know kio or standalone kde app that would allow to view manual pages and info files? |
| 11:29.20 | markey | man:blah |
| 11:29.24 | markey | in konw |
| 11:29.28 | markey | konq* |
| 11:30.36 | arekm | nice, no iso8859-2 chars though |
| 11:30.37 | arekm | thanks |
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| 11:59.03 | bartden | device /dev/dsp2 can't be opened (No such device) |
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| 12:03.00 | annma | hi |
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| 12:31.52 | johnny69 | Could someone tell me how to start the Knewsticker ? Something like, proxyapp knewsticker....or something. Any ideas? (kde 3.4.2/Suse 9.3) Thanks |
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| 12:33.22 | annma | isn't is an applet? |
| 12:33.43 | johnny69 | appletproxy ? |
| 12:33.49 | johnny69 | I know it's something like that |
| 12:33.52 | annma | an applet |
| 12:34.00 | johnny69 | just applet ? I'll try that |
| 12:34.08 | annma | no |
| 12:34.12 | johnny69 | ??? |
| 12:34.14 | annma | it is an applet |
| 12:34.17 | johnny69 | ok |
| 12:34.24 | miracle-x | hi, yesterday I ran update from kde 3.x to 3.4 After that all worked fine except the Ksysguard Applet. It shows now allmost nothing :( can somebody help me plz? |
| 12:34.26 | annma | but it does not start by issuing applet |
| 12:34.33 | annma | johnny69: right click on kicker |
| 12:34.37 | annma | add applet |
| 12:34.40 | annma | find it there |
| 12:34.52 | johnny69 | FOUND IT. That's it |
| 12:35.07 | johnny69 | damn, I was looking through everything trying to figure out how to start it. |
| 12:35.21 | johnny69 | Shit, it was staring me right in the face :) |
| 12:37.17 | johnny69 | annma: Ok let me ask you. If I wanted to start this from the console, what would I then type? Then do I type, "appletproxy knewsticker" ? |
| 12:38.00 | johnny69 | Nevermind...that actually worked. |
| 12:38.10 | johnny69 | thanks for the help |
| 12:38.28 | annma | ;) |
| 12:38.34 | annma | I was busy in another channel |
| 12:40.35 | miracle-x | maybe somebody could help me now :/ plz |
| 12:41.12 | annma | miracle-x: try a new user |
| 12:41.24 | annma | does KSysguar itself work? |
| 12:41.58 | miracle-x | yes |
| 12:42.03 | annma | miracle-x: does KSysguar itself work? |
| 12:42.10 | annma | so it's only the applet |
| 12:42.13 | miracle-x | only the applet in my kickerbar doesn't work |
| 12:42.15 | annma | where is this applet from? |
| 12:42.39 | miracle-x | ? it came with my distro already |
| 12:42.48 | annma | what does not work? |
| 12:43.05 | annma | do you have sensors? |
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| 12:43.10 | annma | look in properties |
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| 12:43.29 | miracle-x | the first time i started my box after update i think it was saying something, like "can't connect to localhost" |
| 12:43.35 | annma | ah |
| 12:43.40 | annma | distro? |
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| 12:43.55 | miracle-x | now it is just a white field nothing in it :( |
| 12:43.59 | miracle-x | fedora core 3 |
| 12:44.14 | annma | try asking in #fedora |
| 12:44.27 | annma | or try a new user |
| 12:44.38 | annma | what sensors do you have enabled? |
| 12:44.55 | miracle-x | i'll try, but i thing its a kde prob, because before the update everthing worked ok |
| 12:45.08 | miracle-x | cpu/mem |
| 12:45.40 | annma | you updated with the same user config |
| 12:45.48 | annma | sometimes it might be a problem |
| 12:45.57 | annma | a new user will tell |
| 12:46.07 | annma | if you suspect a kde problem, look at the bug database |
| 12:46.12 | annma | what kde version is it? |
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| 12:46.25 | annma | 3.4.x <- what is x? |
| 12:46.30 | stumped42 | is anyone aware of bugs in the proxy exceptions for konqueror web browser |
| 12:46.42 | annma | stumped42: kde version? |
| 12:46.44 | miracle-x | 3.4.2 i have now |
| 12:46.58 | stumped42 | 3.3.2 |
| 12:47.04 | annma | I have 3.5 pre and it works very well (compiled by hand) |
| 12:47.14 | annma | stumped42: look at the bug database, it'll be all in there |
| 12:47.26 | annma | miracle-x: it can be your distro though |
| 12:47.26 | stumped42 | couldnt find it |
| 12:47.32 | miracle-x | @annma http://archlinux.org/pipermail/arch/2004-July/001915.html I thing that's the same prob, but no solution by now :( |
| 12:47.35 | annma | stumped42: 3.3 is pretty old |
| 12:47.37 | miracle-x | but thx so far |
| 12:47.56 | annma | miracle-x: updating to kde 3.5 will fix it |
| 12:48.07 | annma | I see pretty graphs here |
| 12:48.10 | miracle-x | ok, ill try thx |
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| 12:52.36 | mobtek | hmm anyone else have problems when sending kmail messages to a ps printer that they always come out too wide? |
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| 12:56.52 | pinotree | hello =) |
| 12:58.52 | miracle-x | @annma well I think i just solved my problem |
| 12:59.16 | annma | cool |
| 12:59.18 | annma | how? |
| 12:59.28 | miracle-x | seems like the applet had lost his configuration and noo sensor was set |
| 12:59.50 | miracle-x | thx again |
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| 13:03.23 | annma | :) |
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| 13:59.12 | Hydrogen | hrm |
| 13:59.24 | Hydrogen | shoudln't this channel forward to ##overflow, not #overflow? |
| 13:59.26 | Hydrogen | :) |
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| 14:25.11 | geeksmakemehot | Sorry, a friend can't get in here |
| 14:25.19 | geeksmakemehot | davidhouse: geeksmakemehot: could you ask them where the files which hold the schemas for kwrite, kate etc. are? |
| 14:26.57 | geeksmakemehot | anyone? |
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| 14:28.34 | geeksmakemehot | Ok, thanks guys |
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| 14:41.09 | blonde1 | guys , anyone know if there is a way to make kmail accept an html list to sort as addressbook? |
| 14:41.34 | blonde1 | er, other than just copying the stuff ;) |
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| 14:42.46 | blonde1 | I have a user who has an old email program; he wont give up until his addressbook is in kmail. |
| 14:44.28 | Maneit | which email program does he use? |
| 14:44.30 | lauri | depending how good the html is, and how handy you are wiwth xslt, you could probably turn it into some kind of standard format |
| 14:44.50 | lauri | but what program does he have, and is there nothing else you can get out of it (even a csv list?) |
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| 14:48.37 | motoom_ | blonde1: Have a look at http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/dragnet/dragnet.html You're not alone. |
| 14:48.40 | Maneit | What do I nede to recompile to get smb:/ working? |
| 14:49.02 | motoom_ | Samba? |
| 14:49.32 | Maneit | I've got the samba libs.. but the kioslave smb:/ probably didn't get compiled when I did kdebase or kdelibs or whatever, because I didn't have it at that time :) |
| 14:49.36 | lauri | libsmbclient |
| 14:50.13 | Maneit | yes, but some part of KDE needs recompiling, right? |
| 14:52.00 | lauri | shouldn't think so |
| 14:52.24 | lauri | and libsmbclient is often distributed separately from samba itself (and the samba libs) |
| 14:52.45 | lauri | if there is anything to recompile, it would only be the smb kioslave itself though |
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| 15:05.42 | Maneit | lauri: right.. can it be compiled sperratly? |
| 15:07.07 | Maneit | Guess it can. I found it |
| 15:19.26 | blonde1 | motoom thanks ;) |
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| 15:24.09 | CobaltDr | hi... i've got kde 3.3 on debian sarge v3.1, ive looked pretty hard, but cannot find a global font size modifier that allows me to change the display dpi... 14pt fonts appear at the size i would expect a 10pt font to appear, in all my apps on my 1280x1024 display |
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| 15:32.10 | oggb4mp3 | is anonsvn still down? |
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| 15:33.56 | apokryphos | oggb4mp3: nope; see /topic |
| 15:34.38 | oggb4mp3 | well, it doesn't seem to be working here |
| 15:34.54 | oggb4mp3 | maybe it's just getting hammered |
| 15:35.02 | oggb4mp3 | I'll use my account instead |
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| 15:41.45 | CobaltDr | my font tab in Kcontrol does not have an advanced option, whats wrong?! |
| 15:44.03 | Blissex | CobaltDr: perhaps compiled without FontConfig/Xft2? |
| 15:44.49 | CobaltDr | Blissex: its the one tha ships with debian sarge v.3.1, im not sure what the compile options were, but it can display truetype and antialiased fonts, does that help? |
| 15:45.46 | bartden | hi,my kde crashed and when i rebooted and trying to start up kde, it freezes after a while with the error Error setting up inter-process , could not read network connection list , /home/bart/.DCOPSERVER_laptop__0 Please check if dcopserver is running , how can this be fixed ? |
| 15:46.22 | Blissex | CobaltDr: ah, that does have FontConfig and Xft2. |
| 15:46.53 | Blissex | CobaltDr: BTW, what is the «advanced option» that is missing? |
| 15:46.54 | CobaltDr | Blissex my main problem was to find a way to globally increase all font sizes, they seem to appear 4pt smaller than they should |
| 15:47.12 | Blissex | CobaltDr: as I always suggest, first state what you are trying to achieve... |
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| 15:47.26 | Blissex | CobaltDr: so now that you have done so, we can solve your _real_ problem. |
| 15:47.45 | CobaltDr | Blissex im not sure, considering ive only seen hints of these on the web they mention clicking on the 'advanced options' so i cant really tell, i was hoping there was something there to allow me to change the display dpi from something like 75 to 100 or whichever |
| 15:48.07 | Blissex | CobaltDr: the X server etc. identifies font sizes by pixel size or DPI/point size. |
| 15:48.08 | CobaltDr | Blissex : i had ;P that was the first thing i said when i got in the channel |
| 15:48.46 | Blissex | CobaltDr: if the DPI is wrong, that's to do with the X server, which computes it, and with the availability of sutiable fonts. |
| 15:48.52 | CobaltDr | Blissex ive seen that too, but wouldnt that implying restarting the X server? ive seen somethin similar in gnome which you can use on the fly |
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| 15:49.36 | Blissex | CobaltDr: check the current DPI with 'xdpyinfo | egrep resolution:' |
| 15:49.53 | Blissex | CobaltDr: restarting the X server is the right thing to do... |
| 15:49.55 | CobaltDr | 75x75dpi |
| 15:50.35 | Blissex | CobaltDr: you got instead something like a 17" LCD that does 100x100dpi probably. |
| 15:50.49 | CobaltDr | ok, next :P my links display an ugly green colour, and no amount of changing them in Kcontrol seem to affect it at all |
| 15:51.12 | Blissex | CobaltDr: what GNOME allows you to do is to force the font DPI, and that leaves the server DPI wrong. |
| 15:51.17 | CobaltDr | Blissex ive got a 17" crt displaying at 1280x1024, which i think should be at 72dpi |
| 15:51.29 | CobaltDr | i take it kde does not |
| 15:52.03 | frb-away | did you calculate it? |
| 15:52.35 | CobaltDr | no, actually, i assumed most visual displays had a 72dpi rating |
| 15:53.02 | CobaltDr | ive recently moved back to linux after a couple of years, so my knowledge is a little rusty |
| 15:53.11 | frb-away | if my calc is correct, 1280x1024 on a 17" screen is just over 100dpi |
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| 15:53.31 | Blissex | CobaltDr: output of 'grep "Panel size" /var/log/XFree86.0.log' |
| 15:53.31 | CobaltDr | that would make sense, considering how tiny things look at 75dpi |
| 15:53.39 | CobaltDr | frb-away: how do you calculate this? |
| 15:54.04 | frb-away | CobaltDr: take 17", magic will get you the verticalxhorizontal inches |
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| 15:54.11 | Blissex | frb-away: 17" LCDs do 100DPI, but the image is bigger than for a CRT. in effect 17" LCDs have the displayable area of many 19" CRTs. |
| 15:54.29 | frb-away | then you take 1280/horizontal and 1024/vertical, and get it |
| 15:54.38 | CobaltDr | Blissex it outputs nothing |
| 15:55.05 | frb-work | anyway, the best thing to do is get your manual, and rop the mm values of horiz/vert in your Xorg.conf |
| 15:55.09 | Blissex | CobaltDr: that probably means you haven't configured X windows with the right size for the monitor surface. |
| 15:55.21 | frb-work | s/rop/drop/ |
| 15:55.40 | frb-work | then X will calculate the dpi properly |
| 15:55.42 | CobaltDr | Blissex probably not, considering when i installed sarge, everything went so smooth i almost didnt have to do anything to get things working |
| 15:55.50 | Blissex | CobaltDr: get a ruler/tape measure and measure the _visible_ area in millimiters and then add them to the 'Monitor' section in '/etc/X11/XF86Config-4' |
| 15:55.52 | CobaltDr | frb-work ok, ill have a look into it |
| 15:56.01 | Blissex | CobaltDr: some monitors report their size, some do not. |
| 15:56.12 | CobaltDr | Blissex mine probably does not, its more than 5 years old |
| 15:56.13 | frb-work | I always just got the manual, or spec online |
| 15:56.48 | Blissex | CobaltDr: BTW, your resolution on a CRT should really be 1280x960, as CRTs are always sized for 4x3 screen sizes, and 1280x1024 is 5x4 instead, so things will be just slightly distorted. |
| 15:57.16 | CobaltDr | hmm |
| 15:57.21 | Blissex | frb-work: for CRTs that is not optimal, because the actual size of the displayed image depends on the mode... |
| 15:57.23 | CobaltDr | i think i've grown used to it |
| 15:58.29 | Blissex | CobaltDr: however, just add a line like "DisplaySize 290 218" to the appropriate 'Monitor' section in '/etc/X11/XF86Config-4'. |
| 15:58.36 | CobaltDr | in mm |
| 15:58.44 | frb-work | Blissex: with CRTs you can tune the zie of the displayed mode with the modeline |
| 15:58.48 | CobaltDr | ok, and X will calculate the dpi itself? |
| 15:59.00 | frb-work | CobaltDr: if you input the correct DisplaySize numbers |
| 15:59.07 | Blissex | CobaltDr: BTW, 290mm x 218mm are likely to be good for you too, that's from a fairly average 17" CRT I had. |
| 15:59.24 | CobaltDr | ok |
| 15:59.34 | CobaltDr | ill give it a try... thanks |
| 16:00.20 | Blissex | CobaltDr: the other possibility is to force the DPI setting where the X server gets started up, which in your case it is probably by KDM. Adding something like '-dpi 100' would be OK. |
| 16:00.48 | lauri | a better option is to put the size, like you were told first :) |
| 16:00.54 | CobaltDr | actually... its gdm, the debian default |
| 16:01.04 | Blissex | CobaltDr: as to link color... |
| 16:01.09 | lauri | and I'm not sure about those sizes |
| 16:01.15 | CobaltDr | lauri well ;) ive just edited XF86Config-4 |
| 16:01.16 | lauri | my 17" is DisplaySize 330 240 # mm |
| 16:01.32 | Blissex | lauri: that's for a 17" LCD, they are bigger. |
| 16:01.37 | CobaltDr | as i dont have a ruler at hand, that will be rather difficult for me to calculate |
| 16:01.47 | lauri | no, it's for a 17" Trinitron |
| 16:02.06 | lauri | I can tell, because I'm not swearing and whining about how awful it is :) |
| 16:02.35 | CobaltDr | ok, lemme restart X... ill come back in a sec and let you know the outcome... |
| 16:02.37 | CobaltDr | thanks folks |
| 16:02.54 | Blissex | lauri: ah what you say is right, I mispasted the wrong numbers. My 17" LCD is 340 270 |
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| 16:04.32 | CobaltDr | hey!! |
| 16:04.38 | Blissex | lauri: but 330 240 is I think a bit optimistic for a 17" CRT, it is probably the maximum theoretical display area. Usually 1280x1024 has or should have a border |
| 16:04.40 | Blissex | lauri: ah what you say is right, I mispasted the wrong numbers. My 17" LCD is 340 270 |
| 16:04.52 | CobaltDr | it worked, now everything looks suitable for a baby to read lol, i'd bumped the sizes of the fonts rather high |
| 16:05.05 | Blissex | CobaltDr: I gave you the wrong numbers :-) |
| 16:05.06 | lauri | heh |
| 16:05.08 | lauri | cute |
| 16:05.14 | Blissex | CobaltDr: try lauri's sizes |
| 16:05.22 | lauri | indeed, try the ones I had, they'll be rather better |
| 16:05.35 | Blissex | CobaltDr: the excessively small mm I gave you are probably are the cause for fonts being too big./ |
| 16:05.36 | lauri | (your fonts will probably still be too big, but not suitable for 1 year olds anymore :) |
| 16:05.43 | lauri | DisplaySize 330 240 # mm |
| 16:06.00 | CobaltDr | hehe |
| 16:06.23 | CobaltDr | Blissex no, i'd increased the font sizes in Kcontrol before all this happened to try and solve the problem |
| 16:06.38 | CobaltDr | now that i know where to look, ill probably need some tweaking |
| 16:06.58 | lauri | but the nice thing is, if you change the size of the screen (say you want to run at 800x600 for some reason), the fonts *won't* be too big or too small |
| 16:07.08 | lauri | they'll be the exact same size they are now |
| 16:07.15 | lauri | (well, roundabout) |
| 16:07.34 | CobaltDr | btw... anybody encountered any problems with colours of links in web browsers? mine come up ugly green, and although i change them in Kcontrol, that does not really do much for the browsers (including Konqueror) anyone have the same problem? |
| 16:07.47 | CobaltDr | lauri that makes sense |
| 16:07.56 | Blissex | CobaltDr: at to link colors, they are set by web sites. You can force them by defining a custom style sheet. |
| 16:08.18 | CobaltDr | Blissex i tried that too, it did not really change it |
| 16:08.35 | Blissex | CobaltDr: you got it wrong... |
| 16:08.41 | CobaltDr | huh? im sure i did |
| 16:09.16 | lauri | you can use the accesibility module in kcontrol to make one with a gui |
| 16:09.30 | lauri | (just cos it says accessibility doesn't mean it won't work for anyone else :) |
| 16:09.35 | CobaltDr | lauri ok lemme have a look at this |
| 16:10.26 | CobaltDr | er... my accessibility module only has a bell and keyboard tab |
| 16:10.39 | Blissex | CobaltDr: have a look at my custom stylesheet here: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/xmsg/S/default.css it also sets the link colors. |
| 16:11.02 | CobaltDr | Blissex : forbidden error |
| 16:11.37 | Blissex | CobaltDr: try again... |
| 16:11.52 | CobaltDr | gotcha |
| 16:12.32 | CobaltDr | still coming up green |
| 16:12.43 | lauri | web browser -> stylesheets -> use accessibility stylesheet |
| 16:12.50 | lauri | then you can hit the customize button and set it up |
| 16:12.52 | CobaltDr | lauri just did |
| 16:12.59 | CobaltDr | well, i pointed it to Blissex css file |
| 16:13.04 | lauri | (then you can go edit it by hand to tweak) |
| 16:13.10 | CobaltDr | before that i'd messed with the custom one, it did not help either |
| 16:13.18 | lauri | the accesibility one will write everything with a ! important |
| 16:13.30 | lauri | so it'll override *EVERYTHING* pretty much |
| 16:13.35 | Blissex | CobaltDr: my CSS file is a bit excessively simplifying for most people... |
| 16:14.24 | CobaltDr | Blissex im not sure it made any difference at all, actually... |
| 16:14.38 | CobaltDr | i dont think i did anything wrong there either |
| 16:15.57 | Blissex | CobaltDr: uh, my CSS file recolors the background, foreground, links, adds borders to '<pre>' and nested tables, and so on... So it should _definitely_ make a difference. |
| 16:16.23 | CobaltDr | in Konqueror it remains green... without any changes, in Firefox, the links initially come up green, but if i scroll up/down so they go offscreen and back to them again, they appear in the colour they were meant to come up in initially |
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| 16:16.41 | Dirus | anyone know if the outer class for the d-pointers compile away or saying new something() will always cause two new calls (one for the outer shell and one for the private ticket)? |
| 16:16.46 | CobaltDr | Blissex then something happened, since it did not, lemme reapply it and reload Konqueror |
| 16:17.24 | CobaltDr | nope, definitely nothing, something's a bit wrong with my system i guess |
| 16:18.17 | Blissex | CobaltDr: restarting Konqueror is not easy -- if you have the option to keep an instance preloaded it wont restart. |
| 16:18.34 | CobaltDr | Blissex that option is turned off |
| 16:19.21 | CobaltDr | anyway guys, thanks for your help... ill potter around a little bit more later... ive got some packing to do just now |
| 16:19.27 | CobaltDr | laters |
| 16:19.51 | kevink | Hi all. I am trying to configure Kmail to pull email from an M$ Exchange server but always get 'cannot connect to <server name>' even though I can ping the server from a konsole window. Any Ideas? |
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| 16:21.42 | cbr | why does kmail tell me "Could not start process for imap" |
| 16:21.42 | cbr | ? |
| 16:22.11 | frb-work | kevink: you need to make sure that the exchange server does imap |
| 16:22.57 | kevink | ok I'll check. Thanks |
| 16:23.58 | mikl | Anyone had any luck configuring Kopete for Google talk? |
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| 16:26.26 | lauri | nada |
| 16:26.40 | lauri | http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Google+Talk+support |
| 16:26.47 | lauri | but I didn't get it to work yet |
| 16:26.54 | lauri | (havent' spent very much time on it either) |
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| 16:29.20 | mikl | lauri: works fine for me, I just had to correct the port-number |
| 16:29.49 | lauri | not here, mind, I probably have my password wrong :) |
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| 16:36.41 | spiral | hi |
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| 16:36.58 | frb-work | yay |
| 16:37.09 | frb-work | the code editing widget in kde does block selection |
| 16:37.34 | d3wd3 | does anybody know if kde can be made to look like gnome ? |
| 16:37.52 | d3wd3 | just the functionality, i want the same location for stuff |
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| 16:39.52 | bartden | hi, someone here who knows where i can find a complete howto on kde + gentoo + sound, so that all the programs sound work, and that i stop getting that /dev/dsp is busy |
| 16:44.41 | cbr | why does kmail tell me "Could not start process for imap" |
| 16:45.11 | lauri | you don't have something installed |
| 16:45.13 | lauri | or something is broken |
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| 16:45.20 | lauri | or the weather is bad |
| 16:45.22 | lauri | (it's very hard to guess without more information) |
| 16:45.23 | Blissex | bartden: surely you dream... |
| 16:45.33 | cbr | lauri: what could be broken? |
| 16:45.41 | lauri | bartden: look for an alsa + dmix howto |
| 16:45.48 | lauri | cbr: your imap server, kmail, authentication |
| 16:46.04 | Blissex | bartden: but look at this page http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2 in particular the sharing and OSS sections. |
| 16:47.04 | cbr | lauri: what should Prefix to folders be? |
| 16:47.28 | bartden | lauri, if i use that howto all my programs can be used at the same time, so i can send sound from for example 3 different programs to /dev/dsp |
| 16:47.52 | bartden | k Blissex i'll have a look |
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| 16:49.37 | vi4m | hello guys, we're trying to find name for our media player, could someone post some idea here ? |
| 16:50.16 | vi4m | it is the most hard part of the process of developping programs :-/ |
| 16:50.35 | frb-work | yet another frelling media player? |
| 16:50.58 | vi4m | yes we have had it too |
| 16:51.11 | vi4m | yamp but it's used by someone |
| 16:51.24 | frb-work | no no, I'm wondering WHY |
| 16:52.26 | vi4m | mhm because it's for erhgm windows platform, and it's ui for mplayer and more |
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| 16:53.14 | frb-work | just, nevermind |
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| 16:55.19 | d3wd3 | does anybody know if kde can be made to look like gnome ? with 2 bars up+down |
| 16:55.24 | lauri | yes |
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| 16:55.37 | d3wd3 | i like the way they designed the desktop so much, it's 101% functional |
| 16:55.38 | lauri | you can have 11 bars on every side of your desktop |
| 16:55.45 | lauri | except, that'd be really dumb |
| 16:55.47 | lauri | but you could |
| 16:55.56 | lauri | you can put the bars anywhere you like, however you like, your choice |
| 16:56.02 | frb-work | man, I'm just having to say "no coment" a lot right now |
| 16:56.34 | d3wd3 | yeah well can i have them like gnome, one for app taskbar, one for systray and quicklaunch/menu |
| 16:56.47 | lauri | yes |
| 16:56.54 | lauri | why not just try it? |
| 16:56.57 | d3wd3 | how much ram does kde take on a default config ? |
| 16:58.26 | lauri | take? all it can get, that's how the operating system works efficiently |
| 16:58.45 | lauri | *need* to run responsively? 64, 128 is better |
| 16:59.58 | d3wd3 | well i don't want it to take that much |
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| 17:00.41 | lauri | well, what's the point of having ram then |
| 17:00.47 | Blissex | d3wd3: depends a lot on how it is configured and how much you run. |
| 17:00.48 | lauri | if it's not used, it's wasted money |
| 17:00.52 | frb-work | what's the point of having a gui? |
| 17:00.59 | d3wd3 | Blissex, just default config + and kde started |
| 17:01.12 | lauri | unixes by design should have very very little memory free (that doesn't mean it's not available, it means it's caching things, it runs *faster* that way) |
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| 17:02.24 | cbr | lauri: i needed to install kdepim-kio-plugins |
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| 17:03.10 | Blissex | d3wd3: it is difficult to say, but around 60MB. It then tend to leak. |
| 17:03.38 | d3wd3 | sheet |
| 17:04.34 | Blissex | d3wd3: to give you an idea, the GNOME people have a _dream_ of being able to fit in less tan 128MB... |
| 17:05.20 | frb-work | my machine is running kind of heavy right now, and I'm using about 350M |
| 17:05.27 | d3wd3 | well i'm running gnome right now.. i've never given big wm a chance, i always ran on fluxbox, but it's not very functional |
| 17:05.32 | d3wd3 | you can do very little with it |
| 17:05.53 | frb-work | X, amarok, firfox, and quanta eat the ram pretty quick |
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| 17:07.01 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 17:07.23 | Dhraakellian | does kopete automaticly request authorization when you add a contact that would need it? |
| 17:09.00 | d3wd3 | how can you ppl use that crap |
| 17:09.05 | d3wd3 | kopete, lol |
| 17:09.43 | gmg9 | any good mac osx like theme/icons for kde3.4.1 on fc3 ?? (except baghira) |
| 17:10.18 | Dhraakellian | d3wd3, ask me again when gaim has decent metacontact display in its contact list and fits with my KDE icon set |
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| 17:15.53 | Dhraakellian | granted, I still refuse to use Kopete for IRC |
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| 17:26.52 | pembo13 | anyone here familiar with KDevelop and C++ ? |
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| 17:31.48 | DocZoidberg | hi |
| 17:32.17 | DocZoidberg | are here also developers? |
| 17:32.31 | markey | at times |
| 17:32.48 | pembo13 | are you one? |
| 17:32.54 | markey | yup |
| 17:33.05 | pembo13 | one of the sample apps for KDevelop is not compiling |
| 17:33.14 | pembo13 | i am getting "C++ compiler cannot create executables" |
| 17:33.25 | pembo13 | i'm running Fedora Core 4 |
| 17:33.28 | markey | well, come over to #kdevelop then |
| 17:33.55 | pembo13 | ohh, great |
| 17:33.57 | pembo13 | cool |
| 17:34.54 | Hydrogen | hrm |
| 17:35.10 | Hydrogen | how much would I break if I deleted my / partition in fdisk? |
| 17:35.17 | Hydrogen | I am gonna uninstall.. wondering if that would do it |
| 17:35.32 | pembo13 | markey, over there is quiet |
| 17:35.38 | markey | yep |
| 17:35.43 | Dhraakellian | you're deleting the partition |
| 17:36.34 | Hydrogen | THats fine if it crashes... I just don't want to boot into gentoo to fdisk to reboot to install suse |
| 17:36.42 | pembo13 | here's the config.log http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/VePSGU48.html |
| 17:36.44 | Hydrogen | hell, lets find out :0 |
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| 17:45.46 | DocTomoe | Is there a way to save a html file with all its images in konqueror, similar to the way IE solves this? |
| 17:45.48 | DocZoidberg | markey: what do you do at the kde-projecT? |
| 17:45.58 | markey | DocZoidberg: amarok |
| 17:46.04 | DocZoidberg | cool |
| 17:46.05 | lauri | he's in charge of fashion |
| 17:46.07 | DocZoidberg | i love this app |
| 17:46.11 | markey | that too |
| 17:46.24 | lauri | also, heavily involved in the beer committee I believe |
| 17:46.43 | lauri | or is that muesli, i'm always mixing you two up when it comes to jobs |
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| 17:56.56 | benJIman|tov | anyone got any ideas why when starting kdm X would start and immediately die, with no errors in logfile, but when running startx X starts fine? |
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| 17:57.59 | frb-work | I think amarok might be leaking |
| 17:58.40 | frb-work | should amarok be 127M virt with only 22M shared? |
| 17:59.05 | markey | depends |
| 17:59.12 | markey | got many tracks in your playlist? |
| 17:59.24 | frb-work | no, just one radio stream |
| 17:59.30 | markey | ic |
| 18:00.07 | markey | possibly trouble with your audio backend. try a different engine |
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| 18:00.33 | frb-work | the only engine that works is xine |
| 18:00.39 | frb-work | artsd crashes every time |
| 18:00.41 | markey | xine is fine :) |
| 18:00.52 | gmg9 | any good mac osx like theme/icons for kde3.4.1 on fc3 ?? (except baghira) |
| 18:01.14 | markey | at any rate, no (major) leak is known to us. we did extensive checking before 1.3 release |
| 18:01.30 | frb-work | did you listen to a stream for many many hours ? |
| 18:01.40 | markey | yup |
| 18:01.50 | markey | btw |
| 18:01.57 | markey | virt memory is not necessarily used |
| 18:02.12 | markey | if you listen to a stream, there is some buffering |
| 18:02.17 | markey | memory pages get dirty |
| 18:02.24 | markey | but the mem is not really used |
| 18:02.32 | frb-work | yeah, but 127M VM, 56M Res and only 22M sahred? |
| 18:02.43 | markey | 127vm means nothing |
| 18:02.48 | markey | 56 res is interesting |
| 18:02.58 | markey | believe it or not |
| 18:03.28 | markey | people look at top, and interpret the value incorrectly |
| 18:03.33 | markey | it's not easy on linux |
| 18:03.35 | frb-work | I know |
| 18:03.44 | frb-work | with X I completely ignore Virt |
| 18:03.54 | frb-work | but most apps aren't on _that_ much crap |
| 18:03.56 | frb-work | err crackj |
| 18:05.29 | frb-work | restarting amarok, I get 63896 29m 19m |
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| 18:07.13 | DocZoidberg | is any kopete-developer here? |
| 18:07.59 | benJIman|tov | noone got any ideas for finding what's wrong with kdm? |
| 18:08.53 | frb-work | benJIman|tov: does gdm or xdm fail? |
| 18:10.01 | benJIman|tov | frb-work: no, they're fine |
| 18:10.39 | Alethes | anybody here use Psi for jabber? |
| 18:10.49 | Alethes | if so, does it use the kde theme or does it just use qt like opera does? |
| 18:11.05 | Alethes | actually, nevermind |
| 18:11.12 | frb-work | benJIman|tov: I would something about -debug <num> and maybe -nodaemon but I'm too busy to actually research anything useful :/ |
| 18:12.48 | benJIman|tov | yeah i've not found anything very informative in the debug output |
| 18:15.05 | benJIman|tov | interesting, if I use the greeter start delay it doesn't crash, just sits there with busy cursor and blank screen |
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| 18:15.25 | benJIman|tov | and then crashes after a min or 2 |
| 18:15.35 | gmg9 | can anone lising me, helloooooooooooooo |
| 18:16.27 | goron | When I edit a file on a remote filesystem, I need to save the file first then close my editor and then press yes to say:"yes, I want to upload the file". I want to just save the file without exiting my editor. How can I do this? |
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| 18:21.20 | rindolf | Hi all! |
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| 18:23.01 | bartden | hi, is there a program that can make screenshots of my kde dekstop |
| 18:24.09 | rindolf | I'm using KDE 3.4.2 with kdenetwork-kopete-3.4.2-4mdk on Mandriva 2006 Beta 2. I'm having problems connecting with Kopete to Jabber. |
| 18:24.35 | rindolf | I get: "There was a connection error: Operation is not supported." |
| 18:25.16 | DocZoidberg | kopete is very buggy imo |
| 18:25.33 | DocZoidberg | it´s a pitty |
| 18:26.40 | benJIman|tov | rindolf: usually get that error if you've not put the settings in right |
| 18:27.01 | rindolf | benJIman|tov: OK. |
| 18:27.12 | rindolf | benJIman|tov: it worked in Mandriva 2005 LE. |
| 18:27.28 | rindolf | It's not a very informative error. |
| 18:27.48 | benJIman|tov | rindolf: have you put settings in exactly same on both? |
| 18:28.45 | rindolf | benJIman|tov: I've shut down KDE before the upgrade and switched to IceWM. Then I did a urpmi net upgrade. Then I rebooted. Then I started KDE. |
| 18:29.19 | rindolf | There was some stuff with kwallet. |
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| 18:36.30 | benJIman|tov | grrr this kdm issue is starting to get annoying, no errors at all, not even stracing gives anything informative :( |
| 18:36.42 | frb-work | it just hates you |
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| 18:36.52 | benJIman|tov | indeed |
| 18:37.33 | rindolf | I don't even see the Jabber connection in Ethereal. |
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| 18:38.42 | Oadae | Is there a limit on the number of users in his channel? |
| 18:38.51 | FuckYouLauri | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.13 | lauri | what, you got over asking me to be nice to your dog? |
| 18:39.13 | frb-work | how pleasantly mature |
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| 18:41.18 | rindolf | What's the Jabber port? |
| 18:41.59 | benJIman|tov | 5222 or 5223 |
| 18:42.08 | benJIman|tov | 5223 works for google talk |
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| 18:48.05 | rindolf | Well, if to believe Ethereal no packets were even sent there. |
| 18:48.25 | rindolf | I used the tcp.port==5223 (or 5222) filter. |
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| 18:51.50 | TaQ | hey, hi. a guy asked me here how he can start some app when kde starts, a "start menu" or something like that. is there a way to do that? |
| 18:52.04 | lauri | ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 18:52.07 | apt | well, /.kde/autostart is empty. |
| 18:52.16 | lauri | put a link or a script in there |
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| 18:52.22 | TaQ | thanks! |
| 18:52.30 | lauri | thank you apt, you twit heh |
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| 18:52.37 | gmg9 | any good mac osx like theme/icons for kde3.4.1 on fc3 ?? (except baghira) |
| 18:52.46 | benJIman | de |
| 18:52.48 | benJIman | oops |
| 18:53.12 | FIB-agent | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.27 | FIB-agent | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.29 | FIB-agent | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.33 | FIB-agent | :))))))))))))) |
| 18:53.47 | frb-work | when I grow up, I wanna be just like you |
| 18:54.49 | frb-work | so amarok has grown by 2M in all dimensions since starting |
| 18:56.04 | apokryphos | gaarr, what idiocy |
| 18:56.48 | rindolf | lauri: are you a girl? |
| 18:56.57 | DocTomoe | gmg9: Why don't you get a mac instead? |
| 18:57.43 | lauri | always have been |
| 18:58.16 | DocTomoe | and why do you have FF ponds? Are you into fish farming or something? |
| 18:58.36 | gmg9 | why should i get mac if i geting same looks on linux as well |
| 18:58.38 | DocTomoe | s/FF/100/ |
| 19:01.43 | DocTomoe | gmg9: no offense, but why should you use linux if you want the looks of macOSX? Are you tuning your Military truck to look like a Lamborgini sportscar, too? |
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| 19:02.31 | gmg9 | hahah, ofcourse not, i just wanna a try a mac osx like look on my fc3 box, thats it :) |
| 19:02.50 | DocTomoe | ok, macos versus linux is more like a Lamborgini truck against a military sportscar |
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| 19:06.38 | Tm_T | =) |
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| 19:15.39 | defcon8 | checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 19:15.39 | defcon8 | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 19:15.40 | defcon8 | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 19:15.41 | defcon8 | what to do? |
| 19:16.36 | apokryphos | defcon8: make sure you do ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix' |
| 19:16.45 | apokryphos | and make sure that you have the KDE headers installed |
| 19:17.34 | apokryphos | *whoop, missed the backtick: ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` |
| 19:20.07 | defcon8 | backtick? |
| 19:20.08 | defcon8 | ahh right |
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| 19:23.39 | defcon8 | you know the debian package for the headers? |
| 19:24.05 | apokryphos | kde-devel? |
| 19:24.37 | defcon8 | ok |
| 19:29.38 | rindolf | Man! I hate compiling C++ programs (especially KDE ones). |
| 19:29.47 | rindolf | It takes way too long. |
| 19:30.46 | markey | 'tis true |
| 19:30.47 | defcon8 | yeah |
| 19:30.54 | cbr | rindolf: blame gcc :p |
| 19:31.03 | rindolf | cbr: yeah, maybe. |
| 19:31.10 | rindolf | cbr: or g++ to be more accurate/ |
| 19:32.52 | rindolf | Done now. |
| 19:32.54 | rindolf | Now to debug. |
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| 19:34.10 | hydrogen | I'm downloading KoTD at a grand total of 450 bytes per second... |
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| 19:35.11 | nutz | hey everybody! |
| 19:35.19 | nutz | is there a konqueror-crack on right now? |
| 19:35.25 | nutz | i got the following problem: |
| 19:36.04 | nutz | i had an open konsole in which i wanted to remove "test*" .. i accidently hit "rm test *", so my whole ~ was cleared out... |
| 19:36.23 | nutz | but there's still one konqueror-window left which should have the last view safed |
| 19:37.01 | nutz | i'm in an folder deeper than ~ and when i hit "upwards" now there'll be the last view for a split-second |
| 19:37.11 | nutz | does anybody know where this "snapshot" is saved? |
| 19:39.06 | dh | nutz: it's not, I'm pretty sure... |
| 19:39.25 | dh | nutz: btw, that rm something * happend me too, sometime ago ;) very annoying. |
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| 19:39.41 | CobaltDr | eek |
| 19:40.27 | rindolf | Now how do I debug kopete? It seems to be forking or something. |
| 19:40.45 | nutz | dh: i know =( |
| 19:40.58 | nutz | dh: you think there's no snapshot saved somewhere? |
| 19:41.22 | nutz | i mean: not a graphical one - but like a list of the files within ~ |
| 19:41.45 | dh | nutz: konqui only reads the dirlists (KDirLister I guess and/or KDirOperator). |
| 19:41.59 | dh | do you mean the filenames only or the content? |
| 19:42.00 | nutz | but it seems to save it for faster access somewhere |
| 19:42.15 | nutz | the filenames only |
| 19:42.22 | nutz | i just want to know what i lost |
| 19:42.22 | dh | ah i see |
| 19:42.25 | nutz | =) |
| 19:42.33 | PhilRod | apokryphos: what's up in #kde-docs? |
| 19:43.01 | apokryphos | PhilRod: some idiot in earlier, so had to change it to moderated |
| 19:43.06 | dh | nutz: that's something I don't know. if you see the listing, make a screenshot ;) |
| 19:43.17 | nutz | haha |
| 19:43.28 | nutz | dh: yea that'd be good, but it's way to fast =( |
| 19:43.28 | dh | no idea, really. |
| 19:43.29 | apokryphos | PhilRod: just kept coming in from different hosts saying stupid things |
| 19:43.41 | PhilRod | oh, that's a pain :-/ |
| 19:45.11 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
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| 20:14.03 | frb-work | is there a way to raise a window with kwin without touching the titlebar? |
| 20:14.52 | PhilRod | Alt+Middle Click |
| 20:14.56 | Alethes | just figured out a fairly serious issue with kio_http |
| 20:15.03 | frb-work | PhilRod: danke |
| 20:15.24 | Alethes | if you click on a confirmation link, from say register.com to update contact info, it has a confirmation id in that url which is only good once |
| 20:15.40 | PhilRod | frb-work: bitte |
| 20:15.47 | Alethes | when you click a link in the email, it pulls that url before it ever hits konq and makes that validation code expire |
| 20:16.48 | Alethes | it ends up validating because of the url being pulled, but by the time you load the page in konq it looks like it didn't work |
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| 20:19.37 | frb-work | Res = 86M, Share = 4M, gues what process! |
| 20:20.00 | annma | test |
| 20:20.08 | PhilRod | annma: pong |
| 20:20.15 | PhilRod | or at least, your test worked |
| 20:20.22 | PhilRod | what's the right response for that? |
| 20:20.37 | annma | it seems #kde is redirected to #overflow |
| 20:20.50 | Alethes | only if too many people try to join at once |
| 20:20.58 | Alethes | it's the +J mode |
| 20:21.17 | annma | why is it now? |
| 20:21.23 | annma | can we suppress it? |
| 20:21.33 | Alethes | it's there to prevent too many people from joining at once :P |
| 20:21.52 | annma | who put it there? |
| 20:22.03 | Alethes | lilo by request of several of us |
| 20:22.29 | annma | who? |
| 20:22.40 | Alethes | trying to remember who all was there |
| 20:22.44 | Alethes | lauri and I were there, for sure |
| 20:22.54 | annma | what happened? |
| 20:22.56 | annma | abuse? |
| 20:22.59 | Alethes | yep |
| 20:23.19 | nutz | bye everybody |
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| 20:23.25 | annma | how? |
| 20:23.41 | Alethes | mass joins, trolling, etc |
| 20:24.04 | lauri | lilo put it there, at my request, and we talked it over with charles later on the same night |
| 20:24.42 | Maneit | Hi. I've just installed kdebluetooth and I don't have a obex:/ protocol. What might be wrong? |
| 20:24.43 | annma | lauri: ok |
| 20:25.05 | annma | lauri: people in #kde-devel wondered |
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| 20:25.40 | Alethes | that option has been around for quite a while, I'm surprised they weren't aware of it |
| 20:25.56 | PhilRod | k3b is in extragear, right? |
| 20:26.05 | lauri | yup, multimedia |
| 20:26.10 | annma | it's an asshole in #kde-devel |
| 20:26.25 | annma | he was kicked once and I hope he'll get banned |
| 20:26.26 | lauri | well, since the point of it is to help keep assholes out of here |
| 20:26.35 | annma | always trolling about this and that |
| 20:26.39 | Alethes | lauri: hehe |
| 20:26.40 | lauri | it's probably working just fine :) |
| 20:26.47 | lauri | you should see the twit who's been bugging me for the last couple of days |
| 20:26.54 | lauri | hang around for a while, I'm sure you will |
| 20:27.04 | annma | lol |
| 20:27.08 | annma | no thanks |
| 20:27.11 | annma | ;) |
| 20:27.17 | Tm_T | annma o/ |
| 20:27.18 | lauri | heh |
| 20:27.27 | lauri | I learned some really choice romanian swear words to use on him though |
| 20:27.34 | Alethes | haha |
| 20:27.34 | lauri | he din't like that much |
| 20:27.51 | Tm_T | annma: looks lke somebody updated tat page already :) |
| 20:28.09 | annma | Tm_T: cool, someone in #kopete surely did it |
| 20:28.20 | lauri | (here's the best bit: |
| 20:28.27 | lauri | [20:46] <jhhj> turk |
| 20:28.29 | lauri | [20:46] <jhhj> homo |
| 20:28.31 | lauri | [20:46] <jhhj> brb |
| 20:28.32 | Tm_T | nobody confessed |
| 20:28.33 | lauri | ) |
| 20:28.40 | lauri | what kind of lame ass stalker asks you to wait because he'll brb :) |
| 20:28.41 | annma | lol |
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| 20:29.01 | lauri | he's really inept, it's hilarious :) |
| 20:29.23 | annma | ;-) |
| 20:29.24 | Tm_T | =) |
| 20:29.28 | oGALAXYo | lauri: is it ok to have only people with authentification join the channel ? i was redirected to ##overload for some hours till i authentificated with nickserv.. |
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| 20:36.07 | Rashkae | I'm having a problem with KDE that's followed me around for several versions... I think it must be one of my other libraries, but can't identify the cause. Printing from any KDE application (tested often with Konqeror and Kwrite), My TTF print with messed up kerning (the spacing between letters varies widely.) I've compiled various new versions of freetype, to no avail. Does anyone know what's wrong? |
| 20:36.43 | uga | lauri: I think I agree with oGALAXYo. People come here to solve kde troubles, and now they'll find one more trouble, trying to figure out how to authenticate |
| 20:37.49 | annma | uga: if it was done it's because of past troubles |
| 20:38.11 | annma | people who daily come here know better |
| 20:38.17 | uga | uhmm... I just can think poor newbies |
| 20:38.27 | uga | annma: it's not daily users that worry me |
| 20:38.30 | uga | they know their ways |
| 20:38.32 | annma | don't worry |
| 20:38.40 | annma | stay here for a few days |
| 20:38.51 | annma | complete noobs manage to find their way |
| 20:38.52 | uga | I just remember the first time I joined the devel channel, and the problems I had. I didn't know a single irc command |
| 20:39.02 | annma | well, I did it, OK |
| 20:39.18 | annma | you cannot find anybody farther from IT and linux than me at the time |
| 20:39.21 | uga | you're far more clever and high IQ than the rest ;P |
| 20:39.33 | annma | surely not |
| 20:40.07 | uga | can one see logs of people getting "kicked off"? |
| 20:41.26 | uga | anyway, not sure what this intends to fix. If I were a spammer or a troller I could easily generate multiple accounts, and it'd need to be banned by address anyway |
| 20:43.36 | frb-work | I guess I never noticed a difference since I added myself to nickserv quite early |
| 20:43.54 | annma | Rashkae: how do you iinstall kde? |
| 20:48.49 | lauri | oGALAXYo and uga: http://pastebin.ca/21029 |
| 20:48.58 | lauri | the channel is better off sitting through hours and hours of this? |
| 20:49.22 | lauri | (days now, he's been doing that, and he's *not* as bad as the guy that made us put that on in the first place, this one is quite mild) |
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| 20:50.31 | lauri | he's also got access to a vhosting server with god knows how many domains at his disposal |
| 20:51.39 | lauri | we filled up the banlist on two channels with one guy, lilo couldn't even kline him fast enough to stop him coming back with more (and three of us couldn't keep him out of here), the channel was unusable for an entire evening |
| 20:52.09 | oGALAXYo | yeah i understand such people are simply stupid.. but i think in these cases +m is more suited.. i know that the person could join with dozen different nicks and vhosts as you say, but at the end you are hurting more NORMAL people who want to quickly join and desperately as one question to solve their broken kde problem.. |
| 20:52.21 | lauri | so honestly, the small inconvenience of having to register a nickname (explained in #please_register which is where you are sent if you can't get in) |
| 20:52.32 | oGALAXYo | maybe a few bots that track chanflood ? |
| 20:52.38 | benJIman | ##overflow you're sent to |
| 20:52.41 | lauri | then take it up with lilo and charles |
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| 20:53.00 | lauri | that's if you are caught by the +J, not the +r |
| 20:55.12 | lauri | frankly, channel politics bores me, if you prefer the trolls to me being here, fine |
| 20:55.49 | uga | lauri: uhmm... those sound like love words ;) |
| 20:55.53 | lauri | but since I was actively asked to come back here to help deal with them, I find it bizarre that my doing so generates so many complaints |
| 20:56.18 | uga | lauri: I see your point. Can't you juts ban the addresses? that generally works on -devel |
| 20:56.23 | lauri | I'll happilly piss off for another two years, I didn't especially miss this place while I was gone |
| 20:56.27 | Tm_T | lauri <3 |
| 20:56.30 | lauri | uga: *hundreds* |
| 20:56.39 | lauri | of addresses |
| 20:56.46 | lauri | three of us non stop plus lilo klining them, could not keep up |
| 20:56.53 | lauri | so no, we can't |
| 20:56.58 | uga | lauri: I could generate a new account named ILuvLauri and start trolling right now |
| 20:57.07 | lauri | (and the ban list only holds a couple of dozen at a time, at some point, you have to take them off) |
| 20:57.10 | uga | it wouldn't take me long to create tons of those |
| 20:57.16 | lauri | no |
| 20:57.28 | lauri | so why did you just suggest banning them would work? |
| 20:57.41 | uga | just because that wouldn't stop newbies from joining |
| 20:57.52 | lauri | end of frigging topic |
| 20:58.05 | uga | I dont' mind if you want to block trollers. I just worry about how to let the noobs in easily |
| 20:58.09 | lauri | it doesn't work, I talked this over in great depth with the channel owner, and the network admins |
| 20:58.18 | lauri | whine all you like, I won't discuss it anymore |
| 20:58.21 | uga | maybe we should move #kde over to jabber? |
| 20:58.32 | lauri | off you go then |
| 20:58.33 | Tm_T | eh |
| 20:58.33 | uga | lauri: I'm not whinning, or not trying to |
| 20:58.43 | uga | oh my ... women are tough |
| 20:58.46 | lauri | well it sure as hell sounds like it |
| 20:58.53 | lauri | go start your little jabber channel |
| 20:59.05 | lauri | nobody stopping you, more resources the better |
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| 21:20.01 | dhuv | hello all |
| 21:20.23 | dhuv | I was wondering how I can get the window list when I press alt+tab |
| 21:21.01 | dhuv | I know its there by default, but I am not sure which setting I have changed to remove this option. I have tried many different kinds to get this back but cannot |
| 21:21.54 | benJIman | kcontrol -> regional & accessability -> keyboard shortcuts -> walk through windows -> alt tab |
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| 21:22.21 | Akiyuki | How do I enable sound for konqueror? |
| 21:22.53 | annma | in's in KControl |
| 21:23.03 | annma | you need to enable sounds notifications for KDE |
| 21:23.10 | annma | or maybe just for konqueror |
| 21:23.11 | Akiyuki | It's working for other applications in kde |
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| 21:26.52 | dhuv | annma: that is what is set, I do walk through windows, I just dont see the list on the screen |
| 21:27.04 | annma | pardon? |
| 21:27.34 | dhuv | annma: sorry |
| 21:27.40 | dhuv | that was for benJIman |
| 21:27.50 | dhuv | benJIman: that is what is set, I do walk through windows, I just dont see |
| 21:27.51 | dhuv | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.25 | benJIman | hmm |
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| 21:36.31 | *** topic/#kde is anoncvs is BACK | KDE 3.4.2 is out: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.4.2.php | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ - The answer to your question might already be here! | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Preview features guide here: http://www.canllaith.org/articles.html |
| 21:36.40 | annma | Rashkae: never tried a new user? |
| 21:37.09 | Rashkae | annma: quite often, but I confess, I neglected to do so ince the latest KDE update. let me try that now. |
| 21:39.46 | gmg9 | how do i change the kmenu starter icon ?? |
| 21:40.51 | Rashkae | annma: Same results with a new user,,, I should mention, I'm testing with Arial and Times New Roman copied from Windoze |
| 21:41.17 | annma | well, that does not matter |
| 21:41.19 | gmg9 | i tried by changing /usr/share/icons/<name>/32x32/apps/kmenu.png, but no works, after i change this icon the run comd window's icon actually changed, any idea ?? |
| 21:41.25 | annma | did you look at the bug database? |
| 21:41.55 | annma | gmg9: that should be in the FAQ |
| 21:42.16 | Rashkae | annma: I tried. My innexperience with it did not help. |
| 21:42.34 | annma | gmg9: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2567301 |
| 21:42.43 | annma | Rashkae: you did not find any same bug? |
| 21:43.11 | Rashkae | Searching for kde and font kerning returns all kinds of random posts abotu this being an issue with QT 3, and how it's being fixed in QT 4, but I get the feeling that this information might be out of date.. in any case, would be nice to confirm with someone who knows what they are talking about. |
| 21:43.48 | annma | if it's fixed in qt4 it's not out of date |
| 21:44.11 | Rashkae | I find it strange that KDE apps cannot print decently with TTF fonts (with version 3.2.1 and 3.4.2) ,,, kinda makes the whole Koffice thing .. errn seem not worth much. the fault has to be mine somewhere. |
| 21:44.16 | annma | I don't know what I am talking about here |
| 21:44.36 | annma | I have to go cooking <sigh> |
| 21:44.52 | annma | bbl |
| 21:45.27 | Tm_T | annma <3 |
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| 21:47.04 | Rashkae | Ok, one other question |
| 21:48.00 | Rashkae | If I go to Trolltech to download QT, they only offer QT4 (unless, of course, I browse and FTP mirror myself to pull up the older version. )... I know there's work to port KDE to QT4, but is QT4 backwards compatible? Can I update QT without reducing my system to a steaming mess? |
| 21:48.16 | gmg9 | annma: i tried that, but that is for default.kde, but im using a custom icon named 'slicl', how do i change its kmenu.png ?? |
| 21:48.42 | oGALAXYo | Rashkae: no its not backwards compatible |
| 21:48.44 | gmg9 | its in the /usr/share/icons/slick/32x32/apps/kmenu.png |
| 21:48.56 | oGALAXYo | Rashkae: and you should enter 'fc-cache' every now and then as ROOT to fix your fonts issues. |
| 21:49.07 | Rashkae | oGALAXYo: Hmm, mayble someone should make a note to that effect on the KDE build instructions web page : |
| 21:49.15 | oGALAXYo | why ? |
| 21:49.22 | oGALAXYo | fc-cache is not kde related |
| 21:49.35 | oGALAXYo | your distribution should have set up fonts correctly. |
| 21:49.46 | Rashkae | oGALAXYo: No, the QT4 thing.. if I read the KDE instructions, it says get QT here, links to trolltech, which links you to QT4 |
| 21:50.22 | oGALAXYo | ahh i understand.. |
| 21:50.29 | oGALAXYo | maybe you like to file a bugreport ? |
| 21:50.39 | Rashkae | I get the hint, Ok, I shall :) |
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| 21:53.52 | Rashkae | oGALAXYo: fc-cache did not fix my font issues, but thanks. |
| 21:55.02 | Rashkae | The more I research it, the more it seems font kerning really is broken.... hmmm. |
| 21:55.39 | hydrogen | hmm |
| 21:55.51 | hydrogen | anyone know if theres a way with pop in gmail to _not_ download every message every time? |
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| 22:01.22 | Alethes | possibly using filters |
| 22:01.26 | Alethes | don't know really |
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| 22:02.59 | hydrogen | oh |
| 22:03.08 | hydrogen | there were just a huge amount more than could be handled at once |
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| 22:04.43 | Alethes | might wanna clean it up via the web client |
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| 22:16.44 | Led_Zeppelin | if I use 100DPI fonts over 75DPI, will I get a better quality font? |
| 22:23.08 | frb-work | no |
| 22:24.24 | frb-work | wow, I stop amarok from playing, and my load goes _up_ |
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| 22:29.14 | straw | canllaith, i have a bug to report about one of your kickerrc tweaks |
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| 22:30.24 | straw | canllaith: ShowMenuTitles works, ShowmenuTitles doesn't |
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| 22:35.05 | illogic-al | frb-work: now yo know what you _shouldn't_ do :-) |
| 22:35.48 | frb-work | I think I found the issue |
| 22:36.01 | frb-work | somehow a friggin JVM managed to get invoked |
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| 22:49.39 | gmg9 | any good mac osx like theme/icons for kde3.4.1 on fc3 ?? (except baghira) |
| 22:49.49 | oGALAXYo | baghira |
| 22:50.22 | gmg9 | i install that as u tols me yesterday, its really cool |
| 22:50.46 | gmg9 | but i also want the os x like icons or better then that |
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| 23:04.20 | DexterF | hi |
| 23:04.53 | DexterF | problem: 20 tabs in konq open, X munches away 95% cpu, seems like konq borked. how can I save the session before killing X? |
| 23:04.59 | DexterF | it responds, tho very slow |
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| 23:07.48 | fatejudger | is there a setting that allows you to change whether you want all text selected when you click in a text box? |
| 23:08.18 | fatejudger | for example: in Win Firefox when you click on the URL bar it highlights the text, but in Linux Firefox it does not |
| 23:08.30 | fatejudger | any suggestions? |
| 23:13.09 | straw | fatejudger: that's a ui design choice. i don't think it's got a user pref |
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| 23:52.58 | benJIman | it would be annoying if it did it in linux because it would replace the middle click clipboard selection |
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| 23:55.45 | frb-work | not necessarily |
| 23:56.11 | frb-work | that depends on the toolkit, I think I've seen gtk apps do it so ttha it highlights without copying to the selection |
| 23:56.27 | frb-work | it was a disgusting hairy hack I sw in a web browser |
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