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00:00.48 | hc_testing | greetings all |
00:03.27 | _Hugo4711_ | @aseigo: then i will look through the HAL-configs. |
00:08.17 | benJIman | _Hugo4711_: suse has a tray applet for configuring the autorunning of such things, perhaps FC has the same ? |
00:10.13 | _Hugo4711_ | @benjiman: there is just kwikdisk, but it does not allow editing the config |
00:12.09 | benJIman | _Hugo4711_: nothing like http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/suseplugger.png ? |
00:12.10 | _Hugo4711_ | hal is just a interface to add new hardware dynamicly to /dev or /etc/fstab while kded-mediamanager watches the mounts and acts acordingly |
00:12.41 | rr72 | does anyone have a geforce m4000 video card? |
00:13.30 | benJIman | rr72: I've told you twice, run glxinfo | grep direct to see if it's using the nvidia drivers |
00:13.57 | _Hugo4711_ | benjiman: no. |
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00:24.20 | _Hugo4711_ | i guess i have a hot clue. fc4 brings the autorun-package with it. that is the one which i have to configure |
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01:05.12 | edoardo | hi gals, hi dudes : ) |
01:05.21 | qt2 | does kde have some sort of automount funtion? |
01:06.18 | rr72 | SuSE does |
01:06.23 | edoardo | can anyone usin' konqueror, most of you i suspect : ), help me out? i made a bash script designed for nautilus, but it also works on rox and as a plain bash script. it converts many audio files into many audio files. it's really super cool! is there any such thing as a konqueror script? if so, could you guys try out if it works? thankyou! : ) |
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01:08.26 | canllaith | Alethes: hrm, this colour scheme of yours is majorly sexy |
01:08.45 | Venson | canllaith: it is? |
01:08.49 | Venson | canllaith: screenie? |
01:08.52 | canllaith | hahaha oh dera, I killed him! |
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01:09.02 | canllaith | Venson: it's very soft olive green etc. I'll screenshot it :) |
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01:09.11 | Venson | canllaith: yay.....danke schon |
01:09.38 | Yoshy | Heh, Konversation is very cool |
01:09.50 | Venson | canllaith: http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1079/piccsau137ni.jpg |
01:10.23 | rr72 | hey Alethes |
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01:10.46 | Speedy2 | aseigo: I'd definitely like to switch to KDE/Linux full-time. Sadly, most of my Hardware Development Tools are Windows based |
01:11.17 | edoardo | so no one's gonna help me? : ( |
01:11.17 | aseigo | Speedy2: ah yeah.. that happens. |
01:11.20 | edoardo | : ) |
01:11.22 | canllaith | Venson: http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/screen3.png |
01:11.40 | aseigo | edoardo: yes, it's quite easy. let me get you the tutorial |
01:11.47 | canllaith | olive titlebars, blue highlights. Interesting combination but it *really* works. |
01:11.52 | Venson | canllaith: that's a pleasant green, yeah |
01:12.18 | edoardo | aseigo, no, i don't have kde : ) i was wonderin' if one of you guys could try it and see if it works on konqueror as well : ) |
01:12.35 | edoardo | aseigo, little misunderstanding : ) |
01:13.19 | Speedy2 | snugglemonkey: Do you do hardware design too? |
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01:13.41 | Yoshy | Is there anyway to make konversation indent nick "ala XChat" ? |
01:13.59 | aseigo | edoardo: well, here's what you need to do for KDE: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/dot/servicemenus.html |
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01:14.18 | aseigo | edoardo: a nautilus script won't work out of the box with konqueror. |
01:14.28 | aseigo | edoardo: but then our servicemenus are a lot more sane IMHO |
01:14.32 | rr72 | sup carles |
01:14.37 | rr72 | canllaith~ i mean |
01:15.35 | edoardo | anyway, here's the freshmeat link: http://freshmeat.net/projects/audio-convert/. but don't download it from there, go to the homepage and get the latest version! freshmeat will update its page tomorrow i think, as of now download version 0.1.1 from the home page that's linked on the freshmeat page! try it out dudes! it's super cool! : ) |
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01:17.01 | Alethes | canllaith: where'd you get that background in that screenie? |
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01:17.10 | Venson | shplit |
01:17.20 | edoardo | uhm, awright |
01:17.23 | edoardo | i was sayin' |
01:17.29 | edoardo | anyway, here's the freshmeat link: http://freshmeat.net/projects/audio-convert/. but don't download it from there, go to the homepage and get the latest version! freshmeat will update its page tomorrow i think, as of now download version 0.1.1 from the home page that's linked on the freshmeat page! try it out dudes! it's super cool! : ) |
01:17.35 | edoardo | : D |
01:17.50 | edoardo | what's happenin'? |
01:18.41 | Yoshy | edoardo: netsplit |
01:18.46 | rr72 | first one? |
01:18.58 | edoardo | yeah, think so : ) |
01:19.03 | edoardo | or maybe i saw it once or twice |
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01:19.09 | edoardo | or maybe i saw it once or twice |
01:19.18 | edoardo | but never understood what it was : ) |
01:19.21 | edoardo | why does it happen? |
01:19.37 | Yoshy | edoardo: it's when 2 IRC server lose sync, |
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01:19.57 | Alethes | canllaith: where'd you get that background in that screenie? |
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01:20.08 | edoardo | Yoshy, uh, thankyou dude! : ) |
01:20.19 | edoardo | maybe i could come here and ask for help with my script tomorrow |
01:20.37 | Yoshy | edoardo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit for more info ;) |
01:20.40 | edoardo | since no one seems to be willin' to try it out tonite |
01:20.55 | edoardo | : ) |
01:20.55 | edoardo | probably most people who would are asleep : ) |
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01:21.32 | Yoshy | sterling.freenode.net and irc.freenode.net are having problems :/ |
01:21.50 | edoardo | : ( |
01:21.51 | edoardo | : ) |
01:21.52 | edoardo | : D |
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01:22.17 | edoardo | ^ ^ |
01:22.18 | edoardo | ---- |
01:22.20 | edoardo | \__/ |
01:22.28 | edoardo | uh, got it wrong |
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01:22.30 | edoardo | i meant |
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01:22.36 | Alethes | canllaith: you here? :P |
01:22.39 | edoardo | ^ ^ |
01:22.40 | edoardo | ____ |
01:22.42 | edoardo | \__/ |
01:22.43 | rr72 | wait till over |
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01:30.17 | unome | question: when I click Administrator Mode on any Kcontrol (any function that has it) it brings me back to the Kcontrol main page/screen. Is this a bug? |
01:31.03 | qt2 | wb all |
01:31.08 | qt2 | as i was saying... |
01:31.10 | qt2 | that's really damn annoying |
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01:31.27 | rr72 | nss |
01:31.28 | unome | it is .. irc |
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01:32.54 | unome | anyone? |
01:33.03 | qt2 | any idea why when i ckose konqueror it stays running and is passed off to [kdeinit]? |
01:33.15 | benJIman | it keeps it preloaded by default |
01:33.41 | qt2 | benJIman, thats a pain when you're trying to unmount something :P |
01:33.42 | benJIman | you can adjust it in kcontrol -> kde components -> kde performance |
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01:33.51 | benJIman | qt2: what version of kde? |
01:33.59 | benJIman | qt2: that bug was supposedly fixed in 3.4 |
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01:34.39 | qt2 | woah... i think i'm loaded into the wrong version of kde... |
01:34.39 | qt2 | brb. |
01:34.46 | thiago | Alethes: I saw one line only: |
01:34.55 | thiago | 22:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ChristopherCook, wsjunior, rickyw, dwango, w1gg3r, oggb4mp3, qt2, sema4, madpenguin8_, Ahmuck (+34 more) |
01:35.07 | Alethes | heh |
01:35.09 | Alethes | bitchx? |
01:35.19 | Alethes | canllaith: you back yet? :P |
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01:36.01 | canllaith | yeah |
01:36.06 | canllaith | What is bitchx ? |
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01:36.11 | Alethes | canllaith: where'd you get that background in that screenie? |
01:36.25 | Alethes | [21:34:47] <thiago> 22:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ChristopherCook, wsjunior, rickyw, dwango, w1gg3r, oggb4mp3, qt2, sema4, madpenguin8_, Ahmuck (+34 more) <--this looks like bitchx |
01:36.29 | mcquaid | hello, when i save something, in say kedit, i notice the check box 'automatically select filename extension' is greyed out |
01:36.32 | mcquaid | how do i enable that? |
01:36.34 | canllaith | Alethes: stolen from an apple mac, there is a big stack of green ones. Want me to upload? :) |
01:36.41 | Alethes | canllaith: please? :D |
01:36.44 | canllaith | moment |
01:36.53 | Alethes | that bg looks perfect with this color scheme |
01:37.18 | Alethes | canllaith: although, I should probably do something original when I get around to doing a full-blown Terra theme |
01:37.44 | qt2 | hm, i'm in kde 3.4 o.o; |
01:37.50 | qt2 | so.. i dunno... o.O |
01:38.01 | benJIman | probably also up to the automounting system in your distro |
01:38.08 | benJIman | I can browse my cd, and eject it while viewing the directory |
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01:38.49 | qt2 | i'm using gentoo, i just used create new > icon > link to device... |
01:38.57 | unome | question: when I click Administrator Mode on Kcontrol (any function that has it) it brings me back to the Kcontrol main page/screen. Is this |
01:39.11 | unome | a bug? |
01:39.19 | qt2 | if i kill the konqueror, it unmounts fine. |
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01:40.06 | thiago | Alethes: irssi |
01:40.13 | Alethes | thiago: ah cool |
01:40.17 | canllaith | uploading now |
01:40.23 | canllaith | and yeah, I'm using irssi :) |
01:40.37 | Alethes | canllaith: thank ya |
01:40.38 | qt2 | heh, is there a way to change the default file manager then? |
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01:41.20 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/wallpapers.tar.bz2 Alethes |
01:41.30 | benJIman | qt2: perhaps ask in #gentoo |
01:41.44 | benJIman | it works in other distros |
01:41.55 | User_X | some apps dont run with this erro: undefined symbol: XextFindDisplay, any help |
01:42.17 | Alethes | canllaith: grabbing it :) |
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01:42.33 | User_X | canllaith: hi |
01:42.37 | canllaith | hi User_X |
01:42.54 | qt2 | hm, just to double check, whats the easiest way to find out the version of the current running kde instance? |
01:43.14 | User_X | canllaith: can u give me a hand on this? |
01:43.28 | canllaith | Not right now |
01:43.31 | User_X | :( |
01:43.33 | benJIman | kcontrol will tell you qt2, or help -> about on any kde app |
01:44.25 | qt2 | yep, running 3.4.1... :o |
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02:03.24 | Alethes | canllaith: holy crap these bgs rock |
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02:04.33 | User_X | canllaith: my fonts are too big, how can i do to put then ok? |
02:04.38 | canllaith | Alethes: :) they are all stolen from my iMac |
02:04.42 | Alethes | hehe |
02:04.53 | Alethes | apple has a way of making things look really good ;) |
02:06.02 | User_X | no ones knows? |
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02:09.19 | benJIman | User_X: kde control center -> appearance and themes -> fonts |
02:13.05 | Alethes | canllaith: got any blue ones that would go with the color scheme? |
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02:25.52 | canllaith | Alethes: prolly, moment |
02:25.58 | Alethes | no rush |
02:26.02 | Alethes | just wanna see whatelse there is |
02:29.39 | canllaith | Alethes: a few blue, and also I've just picked two yellow and one red ones that I think go really well with what you've got |
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02:29.47 | Alethes | cool |
02:29.48 | canllaith | the yellow ones are rather close to the nuvola folder icon yellow |
02:29.55 | Alethes | nifty |
02:31.01 | Alethes | I'm not opposed to colorful as long as it's not gaudy |
02:32.20 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/walls-blue-yellow.tar.bz2 |
02:32.49 | Alethes | thanks :) |
02:32.59 | Alethes | hey wait a sec |
02:33.09 | Alethes | you do excellent photographs |
02:33.13 | Alethes | can you make me something unique for this color scheme? :D |
02:36.10 | canllaith | I probably already have something in my ~4GB of nature photographs :P |
02:36.15 | canllaith | I'll take a look. |
02:36.23 | dwango | hmm |
02:36.25 | Alethes | :D |
02:36.38 | dwango | are there any "underground" QT bindings for SWT/Eclipse? |
02:37.18 | rr72 | google is ur friend |
02:42.03 | mobtek | hehe man I love media:/ |
02:42.25 | mobtek | konsole is getting a lot less usage these days heheh |
02:42.33 | rr72 | no |
02:42.48 | dwango | haha. |
02:43.40 | dwango | when you said that I thought you were sarcastically saying you loved the news media in combination with a melancholy face |
02:44.29 | Alethes | haha |
02:50.40 | mobtek | hahah dwango |
02:51.52 | Alethes | canllaith: all of these are sharp |
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02:52.01 | Alethes | it's hard to pick one heh |
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02:52.09 | Alethes | I guess that's what the slideshow option is for :) |
02:52.28 | galo_2099 | Hi, people |
02:52.45 | galo_2099 | Is this the best channel to ask about developer questions in KDE? |
02:55.57 | thiago | no |
02:56.01 | thiago | that would be #kde-devel |
02:56.43 | galo_2099 | Ok, thanks! Are you Brazilian? |
02:57.43 | thiago | I am |
02:57.52 | galo_2099 | So do i |
02:58.15 | thiago | great |
02:58.26 | thiago | where from? |
02:58.30 | galo_2099 | BH |
02:58.38 | thiago | nice |
02:58.46 | thiago | the ark maintainer lives in BH |
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03:06.02 | User_X | thiago: |
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03:07.05 | jorgp2 | anyone know of any better looking or thunderbird looking icon replacements for kmail 3.4.1? |
03:07.20 | User_X | thiago: i want to explain u how to reproduce the bug |
03:07.25 | thiago | better looking than what icon theme? |
03:07.28 | thiago | crystal? |
03:07.40 | jorgp2 | the default one |
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03:08.43 | User_X | thiago: so u dont want to listen |
03:08.55 | tsdh | I have a device icon for my USB mass storage device on my desktop. The device and mount point are not in my /etc/fstab, so it seems udev, hotplug, hal or whatsoever do some magic to mount this device. Can I influence which mount options are used to mount this device? |
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03:09.22 | prplmnkydw | Hi, dumb question for someone... I have KDE 2.2.2 on debian 3.0.1 (I think), and I cant seen to fiugre out how to change the screen resolution inside KDE... It is stuck on 640x480, which is bad |
03:09.24 | jorgp2 | thiago: yes crystal |
03:09.39 | thiago | tsdh: yes |
03:09.44 | jorgp2 | the reply, forward, trash are ugly |
03:09.49 | thiago | tsdh: with udev, hotplug, hal or whatsoever :) |
03:10.03 | thiago | prplmnkydw: that is an X configuration, in fact |
03:10.17 | thiago | prplmnkydw: you need to run an X configurator program, or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config |
03:10.18 | lucifero | ciao |
03:10.20 | User_X | thiago: so dont reply again to the report bugs i do cause ill not answer yoou again |
03:10.40 | tsdh | thiago: Oh, great! ;-) |
03:10.47 | prplmnkydw | thiago--- that is what i thought, and i reran it (xconfig), but it still comes up in 640x480 |
03:11.20 | prplmnkydw | but there is definitely no changing the resolution inside KDE? |
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03:13.57 | thiago | prplmnkydw: maybe your card wasn't detected as an SVGA one |
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03:14.11 | kendhome | prplmnkydw: KDE can only do as much as X11 lets it :) |
03:14.29 | tmorton | Does KDE support looking in $HOME/.icons for icons for .desktop files? |
03:15.17 | thiago | tmorton: .desktop files in $HOME/.icons? |
03:15.24 | thiago | tmorton: no |
03:15.43 | tmorton | thiago, No, icon files for .desktop files |
03:15.47 | prplmnkydw | ok, so attack the problem from the x11 side.... thanks all! |
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03:15.59 | tmorton | .desktop files go into $HOME/.local/share/applications :) |
03:16.01 | thiago | tmorton: there's no such thing |
03:16.05 | tmorton | FDO spec |
03:16.16 | thiago | icons go to $KDEDIRS:$KDEHOME/share/icons |
03:17.16 | tmorton | thiago, Thanks :) |
03:17.38 | jorgp2 | I want to replace the icons for kmail, with thunderbird looking icons |
03:17.47 | thiago | tmorton: kde-config --path icon |
03:18.29 | thiago | jorgp2: just place them in ~/.kde/share/icons with files of the same name |
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03:20.18 | jorgp2 | I need to find some replacements first |
03:20.32 | rr72 | a could realy use some help on my debian box |
03:25.48 | sloe | what is the -m option for artsdsp? |
03:27.10 | rr72 | man |
03:27.11 | rr72 | or google |
03:28.03 | tmorton | sole: -m --mmap |
03:28.03 | tmorton | <PROTECTED> |
03:28.11 | tmorton | http://www.arts-project.org/doc/handbook/artsdsp.html |
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03:56.20 | azazello | how do I make arts share /dev/dsp with others? |
03:56.41 | azazello | when I run legacy programs like snes9x I can't use the sound unless I turn off arts |
03:56.55 | jorgp2 | anyone know of a playlist printing app for k3b or amarok? |
03:57.07 | rr72 | yes |
03:57.09 | rr72 | no |
03:57.11 | rr72 | nvm |
03:57.18 | tmorton | azazello, You can either run them through artsdsp or configure arts to let go of /dev/dsp after 1 second |
03:57.43 | azazello | tmorton: where's artsdsp? |
03:57.52 | azazello | in /dev? |
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04:00.08 | azazello | ok thanks |
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04:05.01 | tmorton | azazello, $KDEPREFIX/bin/artsdsp |
04:06.35 | aseigo | `kde-config --prefix`/bin/artdsp =) |
04:07.42 | rr72 | mplayer ~/porn/black.mpg |
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04:10.33 | Alethes | wrong window, rr72? :) |
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04:10.45 | rr72 | finally a reply |
04:10.54 | rr72 | wow a whole 3 mins |
04:10.56 | rr72 | no |
04:11.03 | rr72 | don't have a porn folder |
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04:26.27 | mobtek | rr72: now we know you are lying :P |
04:26.33 | mankind_tweezer | hahaha |
04:26.40 | rr72 | i don't have a porn file |
04:26.48 | rr72 | locate: warning: database `/var/lib/locatedb' is more than 8 days old |
04:26.56 | mankind_tweezer | maybe it's all porn... no need for a folder |
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04:27.20 | User_X | rr72: ur a man? |
04:27.55 | User_X | mankind_tweezer: if hes a man, what the prob of having 1 2 orn files |
04:28.10 | User_X | even if is a woamn |
04:28.58 | mankind_tweezer | nobody said there's a problem |
04:31.17 | rr72 | locate: warning: database `/var/lib/locatedb' is more than 8 days old |
04:31.56 | thiago | rr72: updatedb |
04:32.01 | rr72 | i did |
04:32.09 | rr72 | i exicute and nothing |
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05:01.06 | supernix | Hi what is the name of the dictionary program for KDE ? |
05:01.46 | grepper | kdict |
05:01.57 | supernix | Thanks grepper |
05:02.12 | grepper | just a wild guess :P |
05:02.50 | supernix | LOL |
05:03.07 | supernix | Well it is not in the list for Kubuntu so I am still lost |
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05:04.24 | grepper | supernix: its in kdenetwork |
05:04.50 | grepper | I'd be suprised if kubuntu didn't split the package like debian does |
05:05.30 | supernix | Yeah that is what Kubuntu is for sure Debian |
05:05.47 | grepper | look again |
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05:07.24 | grepper | http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/kde/kdenetwork |
05:07.28 | VoX | when using k3b. the program detects my pioneer dvr-109 has a cd burn speed of 40x, but when i go to burn, it will only burn at 4x. what could be causing this issue? |
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05:19.28 | CavalierBob | VoX: No answer, but I've seen the exact same problem here: http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=12377 |
05:20.07 | CavalierBob | Filed that bug on Graveman |
05:22.37 | VoX | yeah, that's the one |
05:22.47 | VoX | altho burnfree is activated on mine |
05:25.21 | VoX | so is it something with the burner, or with k3b, or the libs, or..? |
05:27.15 | CavalierBob | Don't think its K3B since Graveman has done the same thing. Guess it would be something with the libs. brb, checking if I still have the debug logs. |
05:28.33 | VoX | okie |
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05:31.46 | systemofadown | hello |
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05:32.15 | rr72 | hi |
05:32.44 | systemofadown | how can remove old kcontrol modules? |
05:32.55 | rr72 | don't know |
05:36.59 | CavalierBob | VoX: Yeah, I've still got the log for Graveman. I still can't see why it does so, but this is the line where the 4X speed appears to be set: graveman:10759): DEBUG: ===>o 705 KB/s, Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 4.0 in real SAO mode for single session |
05:37.39 | VoX | anyone got a so what if i tell it to use a different mode? |
05:37.44 | VoX | gah |
05:37.48 | VoX | so what if i tell it to use a different mode? |
05:38.50 | VoX | nup, even that doesnt change it |
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05:39.40 | unome | hello |
05:41.45 | CavalierBob | VoX: what is also odd is that NEROLinux will burn at 40x on the DVR-109. That's why I think it's a problem with one of the libs. |
05:41.59 | VoX | hmm |
05:42.10 | CavalierBob | cdrecord is my guess |
05:43.49 | VoX | righto |
05:43.55 | unome | any konsole users, how do you scroll the screen? |
05:44.08 | rr72 | scroller |
05:44.10 | rr72 | ;) |
05:44.15 | rr72 | or scrollbar |
05:44.55 | unome | the I dont use the bar, is there a way to make it like gnome-console (scroll with mouse's third bt)? |
05:46.42 | rr72 | works for me |
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05:47.19 | swim | what are these themes? http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=25668&file1=25668-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Crystal+Clear |
05:47.37 | unome | in gnome-console there's an option for scroller, in konsole there's none. |
05:48.47 | rr72 | u want it off? |
05:48.54 | unome | swim: if you find out .. let me know. |
05:48.58 | rr72 | im not very good with tha tstuff |
05:49.13 | unome | rr72: thx for your help. |
05:49.20 | rr72 | i tried |
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05:50.45 | swim | nice huh? :) |
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05:52.08 | unome | swim: yep, installing his suite. |
05:52.32 | unome | swim: http://linuxcult.com/forum/crystal.php |
06:00.46 | derekkite | http://commit-digest.org/?issue=jul82005 |
06:02.02 | rr72 | night canllaith |
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06:06.18 | canllaith | gday derekkite :) |
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06:48.39 | aseigo | CondorDes: he =) |
06:48.41 | aseigo | er, hey |
06:48.59 | CondorDes | aseigo: What's up? |
06:49.11 | aseigo | oh god... does an extra 256MB of RAM make a world of difference for compiling and working on other stuff at the same time on this laptop. DAMN! |
06:49.19 | CondorDes | heheh |
06:49.29 | CondorDes | How much do you have now? |
06:49.35 | aseigo | it was painful to compile and do anything. now it's swift. yay! |
06:49.37 | aseigo | 512 |
06:49.44 | CondorDes | :) |
06:49.49 | aseigo | enough to keep it well out of swap |
06:49.56 | CondorDes | Coolness |
06:50.13 | CondorDes | Although mine has 512 and it still swaps more than I think it should :( |
06:50.22 | aseigo | which was the problem because, like most laptop HD's, this one is as fast as a snail |
06:50.28 | CondorDes | Yeah |
06:50.46 | aseigo | feck .. what are you doing to go into swap w/512? |
06:50.55 | CondorDes | I have no idea |
06:50.58 | aseigo | heh |
06:51.01 | aseigo | good answer ;) |
06:51.03 | aseigo | what OS? |
06:51.13 | CondorDes | Gentoo, 2.6 |
06:51.25 | CondorDes | Running kdesvn |
06:51.28 | aseigo | hrm. crazy. what apps do you generally use? |
06:51.46 | CondorDes | xchat, gaim, akregator, konqueror and konsole ... sometimes gvim and kpdf |
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06:52.32 | CondorDes | I have /tmp in tmpfs, but that's usually only like 1-2M |
06:53.33 | CondorDes | aseigo: Oh, yeah ... speaking of kdesvn, I noticed that KickerTip uses the button background color instead of the window background color. Was that by design, or by something else? ;) |
06:54.03 | CondorDes | (The reason I ask is it looks ugly (and the text is hard to read) with some of my weirder colorschemes) |
06:54.19 | aseigo | it was encourage people to not use weird colour schemes ;) |
06:54.26 | CondorDes | hah |
06:54.55 | CondorDes | I ended up tweaking KickerTip in my build so it doesn't do that anymore ;) |
06:55.17 | CondorDes | (it was a one-liner, I think) |
06:55.50 | aseigo | hrm ... |
06:56.03 | aseigo | bufferPainter.setBrush(backgroundColor()); |
06:56.35 | aseigo | can you take a look for me to see what you replace backgroundColor() with? |
06:56.53 | CondorDes | I actually did a setBackgroundColor() in the constructor |
06:57.08 | CondorDes | erm, setPaletteBackgroundColor() |
06:57.34 | CondorDes | Right after setBackgroundMode() -- setPaletteBackgroundColor(colorGroup().background()); |
06:58.05 | aseigo | ah.. yes, that would do it |
06:58.41 | aseigo | do you have an svn account? |
06:58.45 | CondorDes | I don't |
06:59.08 | CondorDes | (even if I did, I wouldn't have time for more than the occasional one-liner :-/) |
06:59.24 | aseigo | ok.. what name can i use in the commit log for a thank-you? |
06:59.43 | CondorDes | Josh Berry, or CondorDes, either way |
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07:00.18 | aseigo | CondorDes: which would you prefer? |
07:00.30 | CondorDes | aseigo: Josh Berry is fine |
07:00.38 | CondorDes | Do you need an email address too? |
07:01.01 | aseigo | depends on whether or not you want to be CC'd on the commmit =) |
07:01.17 | CondorDes | ah, in that case, condor-dev@condordes.net :) |
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07:06.12 | User_X | please some help |
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07:07.23 | aseigo | User_X: for what? |
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07:07.37 | User_X | aseigo: im getting crazy |
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07:08.10 | User_X | always i run ksysguard i get this error: ksysguardd: symbol lookup error: ksysguardd: undefined symbol: XextFindDisplay |
07:08.24 | User_X | but i have xxorg, qt3 all needed to build kde |
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07:08.36 | User_X | and in the other builds never happened this |
07:08.42 | aseigo | User_X: compiled against the wrong version of libXext |
07:08.54 | User_X | meanin? |
07:09.05 | aseigo | User_X: you updated your X11, or at least libXext and didn't recompile ksysguard |
07:09.30 | User_X | yes i did |
07:09.35 | User_X | i just recompiled it |
07:09.42 | User_X | and same prob |
07:10.25 | athlon | Hello guys, how do I configure kde to bind the win key to "Popup Launch Menu" (it wont accept just one key) ? |
07:10.52 | aseigo | User_X: do you have two copies of libXext around? or a mismatch between the installed X headers and the X you are using? |
07:11.15 | aseigo | athlon: you have to make the win key not a modifier key in your X11 config |
07:11.18 | CondorDes | May also want to try recompiling Qt if X has been upgraded since it was installed. |
07:11.38 | athlon | aseigo, I see, thanks |
07:11.48 | athlon | also, how do I bind my multimedia keys to turn volume up and down ? Ive changed the keyboard layout to the appropriate device |
07:13.07 | aseigo | depending on the keyboard, you may need to use klineak. otherwise, you can try khotkeys ... |
07:13.09 | CondorDes | aseigo: Just saw your commit. Thanks for pushing the fix in. :) |
07:13.27 | aseigo | CondorDes: np. a better kicker is a good thing. |
07:13.48 | User_X | aseigo: can u be more sepecific? |
07:13.50 | aseigo | i'm dealing with one like that right now and god does it piss me off |
07:14.12 | CondorDes | meh. I can understand the feeling. |
07:14.35 | aseigo | User_X: ok.. there are one of a few things happening here.. either you have more than one copy of X11 around and ksysguard is compiling against the wrong one, or you have a mismatch between the X11 development headers and the X11 binaries you have installed |
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07:14.45 | aseigo | (not a kde project, btw =) |
07:15.04 | User_X | i only have one xorg |
07:15.07 | CondorDes | User_X / aseigo: Or ... Qt uses libXext, so it may be Qt that needs to be recompiled. |
07:15.12 | aseigo | User_X: do this for me... ldd `which ksysguard` | grep Xext |
07:15.33 | User_X | libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0xb6d29000) |
07:15.47 | aseigo | CondorDes: hrm. possible but doubtful. if Qt had unresolved symbols then nothing would work very well =) |
07:15.57 | CondorDes | hmmm. That's true. |
07:16.18 | CyberSpy | hmm I surprised there is no project that is actively trying to make it's way into KDE to easily mapout multimedia keyboards to use those extra buttons. |
07:16.27 | aseigo | heh. my laptop started beeping loudly at me and i was like "wtf?" |
07:16.39 | aseigo | then the little msg box pops up: LOW BATTERY WARNING! oops |
07:16.44 | User_X | aseigo: libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0xb6d29000) |
07:16.47 | CondorDes | heheh |
07:17.47 | aseigo | User_X: ok ... so now do this: nm /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 | grep XextFindDisplay |
07:18.05 | User_X | nm: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6: no symbols |
07:18.10 | aseigo | hahahaa |
07:18.18 | aseigo | did you perchance strip your X libraries? |
07:18.36 | User_X | strip |
07:18.38 | aseigo | "wow! look how much space i save by running strip(1) on the libs" |
07:18.38 | User_X | ? |
07:18.50 | aseigo | ok.. do this for me: |
07:18.58 | aseigo | ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 |
07:19.19 | User_X | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Jul 9 02:57 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 -> libXext.so.6.4* |
07:19.19 | aseigo | (btw, the "no symbols" error is bad) |
07:19.20 | User_X | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Jul 9 02:57 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 -> libXext.so.6.4* |
07:19.31 | aseigo | and do you have a libXext.so.6.4? |
07:19.50 | aseigo | do i win? |
07:20.26 | User_X | ]# ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so* |
07:20.26 | User_X | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Jul 9 02:58 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so -> libXext.so.6.4* |
07:20.26 | User_X | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Jul 9 02:57 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 -> libXext.so.6.4* |
07:20.26 | User_X | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 55892 Mai 2 13:35 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.4* |
07:20.51 | aseigo | hrm.. ok.. |
07:21.03 | aseigo | nm /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.4 | grep XextFindDisplay |
07:21.16 | User_X | nm: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.4: no symbols |
07:21.25 | aseigo | heh. ok.. so your libXext is just fucked up. fine. |
07:21.31 | aseigo | you need to reinstall it |
07:21.37 | aseigo | what OS is this? |
07:22.26 | User_X | hey |
07:22.30 | User_X | i did reinstalled |
07:22.36 | User_X | did make a fresh instal |
07:22.41 | aseigo | of libXext? |
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07:22.48 | aseigo | and .... what OS is this? |
07:22.52 | User_X | mandrake |
07:22.55 | User_X | that is xorg |
07:23.20 | aseigo | wow. crazy. way to go mdk. are you tracking cooker or something? |
07:23.22 | User_X | libXext is xorg |
07:23.28 | User_X | no |
07:23.34 | aseigo | or did you install a X rpms from somewhere else ...? |
07:23.36 | User_X | official |
07:23.43 | aseigo | because your libXext should have symbols =) |
07:24.00 | aseigo | what does this give you: rpm -qf /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.4 |
07:24.05 | User_X | i just redownload xorg |
07:24.12 | User_X | and installed and its the same |
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07:24.23 | User_X | libxorg-x11-6.8.2-7.1.102mdk |
07:24.31 | aseigo | ok.. you have that rpm on disc? |
07:24.36 | User_X | yes |
07:24.48 | aseigo | if so... rpm -ivh --force libxorg-x11-6.8.2-7.1.102mdk<whateverelse> |
07:26.17 | User_X | done |
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07:34.04 | User_X | aseigo: ? |
07:34.14 | aseigo | now do the nm again |
07:34.22 | User_X | same thing |
07:34.25 | User_X | no symbols |
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07:35.11 | aseigo | that's very unright. |
07:35.25 | aseigo | hrm. perhaps go ask in #mandrake or #mandriva or whatever it is these days +) |
07:35.40 | User_X | :( |
07:35.54 | Alkis71 | I am on Mandriva...may I help? |
07:36.18 | aseigo | Alkis71: what do you get for: nm /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.4 | grep XextFindDisplay |
07:36.22 | User_X | yes see if that file haves symbols |
07:36.49 | User_X | u use cooker or official and what version? |
07:37.01 | Alkis71 | [alex@ibm src]$ nm /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.4 | grep XextFindDisplay |
07:37.01 | Alkis71 | nm: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.4: no symbols |
07:37.20 | aseigo | wow. that's.. ... interesting |
07:37.30 | Alkis71 | what should we get? |
07:37.50 | aseigo | sth like: |
07:37.54 | aseigo | 000027d0 T XextFindDisplay |
07:38.22 | Alkis71 | and this function (I assume) is used in what way? (i.e. anything usefull?) |
07:38.31 | aseigo | ksysgaurd, for one |
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07:38.47 | User_X | aseigo: but always used this function ksysguard? |
07:38.49 | aseigo | it also has the DPMS stuff in it |
07:39.21 | aseigo | XShape, XShm, XSync and XTest |
07:39.37 | User_X | aseigo: but always used this function ksysguard? |
07:40.10 | Alkis71 | ksysguard? You mean it gives a new sensor or something? |
07:40.55 | aseigo | User_X: duno .. i don't seem to see a call to it in ksysguard.. but something it's linking to obviously does |
07:41.35 | User_X | god |
07:41.39 | User_X | im getting crazy |
07:42.00 | Alkis71 | User_X: You can't run ksysguard? |
07:42.05 | User_X | no |
07:42.09 | Alkis71 | I can |
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07:42.27 | Alkis71 | but I have kde3.4.1 bult with Kontruct |
07:42.30 | User_X | but im using a new kde built from branch_3.4 |
07:42.37 | Alkis71 | ahhh |
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07:43.33 | Alkis71 | maybe there is a newer xorg version in cooker? Have you checked? |
07:44.17 | User_X | thats cooker |
07:44.37 | User_X | i have to find if is realted to Mesa |
07:44.41 | User_X | related |
07:45.00 | User_X | im building a new mesa version checked now from cvs |
07:45.19 | User_X | but mandrake is using an old Mesa |
07:45.24 | User_X | i thing is Mesa-5 |
07:45.29 | Alkis71 | I see |
07:45.35 | User_X | i use Mesa-6.3 |
07:46.30 | Alkis71 | 5.0.2 is on my cooker box |
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07:47.10 | Alkis71 | has anyone else problems signing on msn with kopete or is it just me? |
07:47.27 | aseigo | Alkis71: what version of kopete? |
07:47.32 | Alkis71 | svn |
07:47.42 | Alkis71 | checkout today |
07:47.53 | aseigo | hrm.. brb and i'll tell you =) |
07:48.01 | Alkis71 | okie :-) Thanks |
07:48.09 | canllaith | yeah, I'm having problems too |
07:48.16 | Alkis71 | canllaith: Ah ok :-) |
07:48.16 | canllaith | kopete checkout from 2 weeks ago |
07:48.21 | canllaith | I think it's the msn server |
07:49.05 | Alkis71 | so does the error messagebox suggests... |
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07:50.52 | rockin_stan | hello. can sbdy hilight me please? |
07:52.46 | rockin_stan | thx |
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08:11.53 | raijin | whats the default mail program?? |
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08:16.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | kmail IIRC |
08:16.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh |
08:16.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | gone ;SA |
08:16.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | :S |
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08:18.07 | oneforall | hm there a problem with kopete and msn agian ? |
08:18.45 | Alkis71 | yeap |
08:19.11 | Alkis71 | or maybe with just msn servers |
08:19.15 | oneforall | ugh was hoping it was just them down |
08:19.36 | oneforall | yeah its a server message darn hang on will go see what it said again |
08:19.55 | Alkis71 | internal server error please try again later |
08:20.13 | Alkis71 | hmm, lemme check gaim |
08:20.35 | vIkSiT | actually, its the MSN service itself |
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08:21.47 | Alkis71 | gaim doesn't sign on either |
08:21.52 | oneforall | internal server error try later |
08:22.11 | oneforall | yeah my kid just said gaim didn't work either |
08:22.32 | oneforall | so msn I guess is just down :) |
08:22.53 | Alkis71 | http://messenger.msn.com/Status.aspx |
08:24.53 | Alkis71 | now that link would be nice to have on "Internal server" error messagebox from kopete, huh? |
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08:32.24 | OldakQuill | I have Debian distro and am trying to open a .jar file but it opens as an archive |
08:32.39 | Frost^ | java -jar jarfile |
08:32.57 | Frost^ | or you want KDE to automatically do that for you? |
08:34.13 | OldakQuill | Auto |
08:34.54 | oneforall | ad it to the menus with java -jar /path/to/it/jarfile |
08:35.37 | OldakQuill | Anyone know what Java's apt-get is? |
08:35.58 | oneforall | nope I don't have apt-get sorry |
08:36.14 | HenkPoley | You mean like apt-get blackdown-jvm ? |
08:36.20 | HenkPoley | Or something? |
08:37.13 | oneforall | ait that jre |
08:37.32 | oneforall | think he just means java package |
08:37.48 | OldakQuill | apt-get install xxx |
08:37.51 | HenkPoley | I don't have a debian system ready to check. You could use google |
08:37.57 | HenkPoley | http://www.google.nl/search?q=apt-get+java |
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08:40.57 | pinotree | hello |
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08:50.28 | candyban | Hi guys ... |
08:50.43 | candyban | Is there a timeline when KDE 4 will be out (and a feature set) |
08:51.19 | pinotree | no |
08:51.52 | candyban | k. Thanks ... I suppose that was no to either |
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09:04.42 | funky | hi |
09:05.07 | funky | is there any shortcut to point the cursor in the search engine field ? as firefox does with ctrl + k |
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09:06.44 | unome | guys, any way to use mouse scroller in konsole, to move up and down? |
09:06.59 | unome | I can't read my logs |
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09:11.31 | benJIman | unome: the scroll wheel will move up and down |
09:12.01 | unome | not working here and I hate to use gnome-terminal |
09:12.37 | benJIman | is the scroll wheel working in other apps? |
09:12.42 | unome | not even the side bar works |
09:12.48 | unome | yes, ofcourse |
09:12.53 | benJIman | most odd |
09:13.20 | unome | in gnome-terminal there's an option for scrolling, in konsole there's none |
09:16.51 | aseigo | turn on history |
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09:17.01 | aseigo | Settings -> History |
09:17.33 | unome | I deleted my profile too, let's see |
09:18.15 | unome | nothing :( |
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09:18.42 | aseigo | unome: have you turned on History?! |
09:18.59 | unome | I set it to unlimited |
09:20.13 | aseigo | and the scroll shows no scroll back available? |
09:20.46 | aseigo | scrollbar, that is |
09:21.13 | unome | the mouse in non functional in konsole. Yes the scroll bar does not move |
09:22.12 | aseigo | does the scroll bar show any scroll back possible? e.g. if you use the scroll bar arrows can you scroll? |
09:22.41 | unome | nop |
09:22.52 | candyban | pinotree: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-4.0-features.html |
09:23.02 | aseigo | ok, so it has nothing to do with your scroll mouse .. it would be the fact that it isn't storing history. |
09:23.12 | unome | yes |
09:23.29 | pinotree | candyban: it's only a proof |
09:24.03 | pinotree | aseigo: the page indicated by candyban is only a proof, isn't it? |
09:24.40 | aseigo | yes, that page it pretty much meaningless at this point |
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09:26.49 | candyban | k ... so I'll just have to be more patient to know when I can see cairo in action? |
09:28.56 | aseigo | assuming there's a cairo backend for arthur in kde4 |
09:29.20 | unome | anyone knows how to make history works in konsole, please? |
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09:31.16 | Zeep | Hi al |
09:31.28 | Zeep | +l |
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09:35.13 | Flendor | Hallo. |
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09:37.16 | Zeep | Hi |
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09:56.55 | Solak | hmm, would KDevelop be a suitable ide for (simple) C projects? |
09:57.56 | Solak | I use Kate now for most of the projects. |
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09:59.03 | spiral | Solak: yeah, you can... |
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10:07.45 | Solak | hmm, perhaps I should give it a try... |
10:07.56 | Electronics | I was wondering, is there a channel for KMyMoney? |
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10:22.25 | benJIman | anyone know how kcmshell "finds" its installed modules? |
10:23.17 | benJIman | kcmshell kamera for example works fine, but kcmshell kcmgtk says it can't find it, the .la and .so files are in /opt/kde3/lib just like all the other modules |
10:24.24 | pinotree | benJIman: iirc .la and .so files are only for development |
10:25.09 | benJIman | they're libraries |
10:25.23 | benJIman | presumably there's somewhere else important as well |
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10:42.34 | jasam | hi, I can't see wiki.kde.org , is it working? |
10:42.58 | tbscope | jasam, it works here |
10:43.36 | jasam | I see references everywhere, but for me does not work :( |
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10:48.11 | jasam | I try to change browser, and nothing |
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10:50.38 | jasam | :( |
10:52.26 | jasam | If someone has any ideas, a posible reason, a place to search, please tell me |
10:53.35 | tbscope | jasam, can you open any other site? |
10:54.03 | jasam | yes |
10:57.53 | jasam | well, I see wiki.kde.org for the first time now |
10:58.06 | jasam | I'm using a proxy |
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11:00.32 | Julianyus | hi |
11:03.06 | jasam | but this is annoying, tbscope thank you very much, I will send an email to webmaster@wiki.kde.org |
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11:06.53 | marcus | Hi |
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11:37.06 | Solak | on the kdevelop site there was a screenshot which appears to be the editor with some sort of transparent mode / background image, but I can't find the settings... :/ |
11:37.24 | Solak | any idea where I could find it? |
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11:55.24 | expose | hi |
11:55.43 | StevenR | lo |
11:56.30 | expose | "Open a Theme from your Hard Drive." <-- isnt that wrong? shouldnt it be "Open a theme from your hard drive." so, with 3 capital letters less? |
11:56.52 | StevenR | ? |
11:56.58 | expose | (looks like a mistake typically done by germans when learning english or so...) |
11:57.01 | StevenR | probably |
11:57.40 | expose | it's taken from superkaramba, there're quite a few similar sentences which seem to contain too much captial letters :-) |
11:57.51 | expose | okay then. checking for bugreports |
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11:59.31 | StevenR | expose: it doesn't look good, if it's a title then it probably is acceptable, but doesn't look like one |
12:00.11 | litb | i can't see any text on a svg if i set one as background. does anyone know what could be wrong? |
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12:00.43 | litb | for example that: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=24172 |
12:01.16 | litb | and that: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=24173 |
12:01.35 | expose | StevenR: hmm. I |
12:01.39 | litb | these pictures look dirreennt. neither transparents nor texts... |
12:01.58 | expose | StevenR: hmm. I'm not quite sure how one should handle such cases... |
12:02.10 | StevenR | expose: what do you mean? |
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12:02.55 | expose | (since it is a full sentence, and the actual title is "Open..." so it is just a subtitle which explains the function.) |
12:03.33 | StevenR | expose: then you are correct i think...if you had a screenshot then it would make it easier to understand |
12:03.49 | expose | okay, wait a second. |
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12:06.02 | expose | StevenR: can i send it to you via dcc? (might not work due to my misconfiguration :-) |
12:07.04 | StevenR | seems to be working over dcc |
12:07.15 | expose | yes...nice :-) |
12:08.07 | expose | StevenR: "SuperKaramba Help Site" is okay, since it is some kind of a special name, but not "Theme" and "Hard Drive", you see? |
12:09.09 | StevenR | expose: yeah, i would make it not caps, like you think it should be...but it's not really a clear cut decision here |
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12:10.26 | expose | hm, i'll just note the devs and let them decide then...that's it. |
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12:20.15 | osoh | hi all |
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12:21.04 | litb | is there a tool to capture a video from my desktop? |
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12:22.43 | alesan | hi |
12:23.46 | alesan | gentoo with kde-3.4.1: I cannot login as root. I cannot access the root functions nor in kontrol nor in a konsole using "su". I can login on a text console anyway |
12:24.03 | alesan | what's the matter with root? why can't I login? |
12:25.17 | expose | alesan: so, you cannot "su" but you can login as root directly? |
12:25.34 | alesan | expose, on a *text* console (outside X) yes,m I can login |
12:25.41 | expose | if so, make sure your user is in the group "wheel" |
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12:26.21 | expose | (check it via "id", change it via "usermod" |
12:26.42 | expose | help can be found via "man <tool>" as usual |
12:27.10 | alesan | ok I've edited /etc/group directly with vi |
12:27.15 | alesan | now I can "su" |
12:27.29 | alesan | how do I enable root-login on kdm now? |
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12:28.34 | shastry | hi all |
12:28.41 | shastry | how do i enable smooth scrolling in kde ? |
12:28.44 | expose | login as a user, open kcontrol --> "system" --> login/session manager (or similar, i've translate it to english) |
12:29.23 | alesan | I'm there |
12:29.27 | alesan | but I can't find it! |
12:29.32 | alesan | I mean |
12:29.37 | alesan | I can't find how to enable root |
12:30.02 | expose | alesan: then press the "superuser mode" button at the bottom to be able to change settings |
12:30.08 | alesan | of course |
12:30.14 | alesan | I'm there |
12:30.24 | expose | oh, ahm. wait a second then. |
12:30.27 | alesan | I use kde since 0.9 ;) |
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12:31.24 | expose | alesan: unchecked "root" in the "user" dialog? |
12:31.37 | expose | 0.9? wow :-) i do so since 3.? |
12:31.54 | shastry | smooth scrolling -- anyone ?? |
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12:32.05 | alesan | expose :) |
12:32.12 | expose | shastry: which application? all of kde? |
12:32.17 | shastry | all of kde |
12:32.29 | alesan | "Select users and gorups:" there is NO user selected. root is unselected |
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12:35.57 | std0ut | hello, is there any tool to look at the communication beetwen the httpd and konqueror ? |
12:36.08 | std0ut | i know there is sth like this for mozzila though.. |
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12:36.23 | Batchy | any sniffer program |
12:36.29 | expose | alesan: well - does it work to enter "root" in the user field manually, so by not-using the user list that kdm is able to provide? if so, add it to this list... |
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12:36.44 | Batchy | like ethereal |
12:36.46 | shastry | no one knows abt smooth scroll ??? |
12:36.58 | alesan | expose, root was not in the list at kdm prompt |
12:37.06 | alesan | now I will try to logout and see again... |
12:37.17 | expose | alesan: can you login by entering it manually? |
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12:37.35 | expose | alesan: so, just type "root" rather than click it in the list |
12:37.39 | benJIman | shastry: what do you mean by smooth scroll? it is smooth, or do you mean scroll with "momentum" like kopete does? |
12:39.12 | alesan | wait |
12:39.39 | shastry | benJIman: just smooth is sufficient |
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12:39.52 | shastry | (like firefox does) |
12:39.53 | benJIman | shastry: what's not smooth about it? |
12:40.27 | benJIman | konqueror scrolls in exactly the same way as firefox here |
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12:41.08 | floyd_n_milan | how does one restart artsd? |
12:41.13 | shastry | benJIman: do u have smoothscroll enabled in fitefox ? |
12:41.19 | floyd_n_milan | it gets messed up when i start jack |
12:41.20 | benJIman | dunno, don't use it |
12:41.23 | benJIman | (firefox) |
12:41.41 | shastry | benJIman: smooth scroll means.. we can see the text move up or down |
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12:41.53 | shastry | in kde it just 3 lines disapear when scrolling |
12:42.19 | Batchy | [14:59:08] <floyd_n_milan> how does one restart artsd? <-- for me i kill all artsd process then i start some configuration tool, it say 'Artsd had to restart', then it's OK |
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12:42.27 | canllaith | oh dear |
12:42.35 | canllaith | you restart artsd by using artsshell terminate/artsshell start |
12:42.43 | canllaith | unless there is a restart, which I don't recall. There might be :) |
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12:43.07 | expose | benJIman: no. check firefox --> edit --> preferences --> advanced --> browsing --> use smooth scrolling and scroll again |
12:43.07 | floyd_n_milan | meh |
12:43.10 | expose | it's not the same. |
12:43.13 | floyd_n_milan | unable to connect to sound server! |
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12:43.33 | expose | shastry: maybe kde just doesnt provide that. |
12:43.48 | expose | floyd_n_milan: very precise. dont expect any answers please. |
12:43.58 | benJIman | expose: it's allready checked |
12:43.59 | shastry | expose: ok :/ |
12:44.06 | floyd_n_milan | ah good, sound's working again |
12:44.14 | floyd_n_milan | now i won't need any answers :P |
12:44.29 | benJIman | shastry: you may mean the sort of think kopete does with its contact list scrolling |
12:44.34 | expose | shastry: i'm just sure about that of course - i just couldnt find it either. |
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12:44.43 | shastry | expose: aight |
12:44.58 | shastry | benJIman: thats uber eyecandy.. i'm asking for "simple" smooth scrolling |
12:45.30 | benJIman | shastry: I still don't understand what it is |
12:45.38 | expose | benJIman: when you scroll with a mouse wheel it doesnt "jump" up three lines, but it goes up there pixel by pixel....the smooth way. just as openoffice can do too |
12:45.48 | shastry | benJIman: open kwrite , type some 10 lines of text |
12:46.09 | shastry | and when u scroll, u just see the line disappear |
12:46.10 | expose | benJIman: use a mouse wheel, and de/reenable it to see the difference... |
12:46.15 | floyd_n_milan | any way to make kde use something other than arts? |
12:46.20 | floyd_n_milan | gstreamer maybe? |
12:46.26 | shastry | in smoothscroll, u feel as if the text moved up and disappeared |
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12:47.38 | expose | floyd_n_milan: be more precise. amarok can use lots of different output methods, but "kde" is not a single application... |
12:48.01 | floyd_n_milan | hmmm |
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12:48.08 | floyd_n_milan | im using gstreamer with amarok |
12:48.13 | benJIman | arts is quite different to gstreamer |
12:48.24 | floyd_n_milan | by kde i mean all these system sounds need arts |
12:48.38 | benJIman | you can get them to play with another player under player options |
12:48.43 | canllaith | Actually, you can use an external player as well |
12:48.48 | canllaith | heh, as he said |
12:48.59 | brucehoult | oh wow |
12:49.02 | brucehoult | oh wow oh wow |
12:49.08 | brucehoult | http://groups-beta.google.com/group/nz.comp/browse_thread/thread/41d8f2caf4ffae29/81aa019b1b0d05d4 |
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12:54.03 | expose | floyd_n_milan: no. they dont. kcontrol --> sound & multimedia --> sound notices/messages --> playback options (right-bottom corner) and change it |
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12:54.42 | expose | you can use "external application" and enter "play" (from the sox package) for example which will enable you to use virtually any playback method. |
12:54.44 | floyd_n_milan | i looked in Sound System |
12:54.53 | expose | no, dont do so :-) |
12:54.59 | floyd_n_milan | hmmm |
12:55.11 | floyd_n_milan | i think im getting confused by all these sound servers |
12:55.21 | expose | its quite simple actually. |
12:55.35 | alesan | expose, it was enought to edit /usr/kde/3.4/share/config/kdm/kdmrc and set AllowRootLogin=true |
12:55.40 | floyd_n_milan | explain please? |
12:55.46 | expose | hardware <-- oss/alsa <-- esound/arts/gstreamer/... |
12:55.51 | floyd_n_milan | ah |
12:56.12 | expose | while your favourite player can use either oss or alsa directly or one of the servers |
12:56.32 | floyd_n_milan | and where does dmix come in? |
12:56.35 | expose | with correctly configured alsa the servers get obsolete and unneccessary |
12:57.04 | expose | dmix is a "module" for alsa, which is exactly the part making arts and esound etc unneccessary |
12:57.31 | expose | since it does software mixing and so several players can use a single card that only supports one (stereo) channel natively |
12:57.39 | expose | not the difficult, hm? |
12:57.44 | expose | s/the/that/ |
12:58.24 | floyd_n_milan | hmm |
12:58.37 | floyd_n_milan | and what exactly would you mean by "correctly configured ALSA"? |
12:58.48 | expose | alsa with working dmix :-) |
12:59.07 | expose | or with hardware that doesnt need dmix |
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12:59.53 | expose | dmix does a part via the cpu that should be done by the soundcard, but most ac'97-chips for instance dont provide this feature (namely hardware mixing) |
13:00.20 | floyd_n_milan | yeah mine doesn't |
13:00.29 | floyd_n_milan | as we speak im looking up docs to configure dmix |
13:01.04 | benJIman | expose: I have smooth scrolling in everything in the SuSE kde release, but not my own built version, perhaps it's a patch suse made, or decided to apply |
13:01.23 | expose | take the gentoo docs. they are great, just as always, and edit /etc/asound.conf as it says here: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ALSA_sound_mixer_aka_dmix |
13:01.48 | expose | benJIman: no idea :-) i dont need such stuff anyway |
13:01.57 | benJIman | wasn't it you who were asking? |
13:02.19 | benJIman | oh no sorry, shastry has left |
13:02.28 | floyd_n_milan | yeah i was reading the same thing as I am on Gentoo ;) |
13:02.40 | floyd_n_milan | and thanks expose |
13:03.10 | expose | floyd_n_milan: which card do you have exaclty? |
13:03.31 | expose | (give me the line of the lspci output maybe) |
13:03.58 | floyd_n_milan | 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
13:05.22 | expose | okay, i have a "VT82C686" instead of "VT8233/A/8235/8237" so try to base your config on this one maybe: |
13:05.58 | expose | http://rafb.net/paste/results/wSTAyg54.html |
13:06.03 | expose | hope that helps |
13:06.30 | Batchy | (i have same card :) ) |
13:06.41 | expose | hehe |
13:07.03 | expose | thats my config...i dont have problems with it so far, iirc. |
13:08.11 | floyd_n_milan | ah thanks |
13:08.13 | floyd_n_milan | i'll try that |
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13:26.06 | carsten | hi Chambers- |
13:26.09 | carsten | hi Christin |
13:26.22 | Christin | ich hab es geschafft! |
13:26.31 | carsten | Christin, this channel is english |
13:27.00 | Christin | okay: I get it! |
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13:48.14 | systemofadown | how can i delete old kcontrol modules |
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13:57.01 | sauron | Anybody having trouble connecting to repositories? |
13:58.34 | StevenR | sauron: any particular ones? |
13:58.48 | sauron | za.archive.ubuntu.com |
13:58.53 | sauron | thing is |
13:58.58 | sauron | i can ping them no prob |
13:59.02 | sauron | and I browse fine |
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13:59.08 | sauron | worked fine when I was on 56k |
13:59.14 | sauron | but suddenly not when on DSL |
13:59.18 | StevenR | works for me |
13:59.28 | StevenR | Apache/2.1.3 (Ubuntu) Server at archive.ubuntu.com Port 80 |
13:59.43 | sauron | hmm |
14:00.05 | StevenR | sauron: what errors are you getting? |
14:00.32 | sauron | Err http://za.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release.gpg |
14:00.32 | sauron | <PROTECTED> |
14:00.32 | sauron | Err http://za.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release.gpg |
14:00.32 | sauron | <PROTECTED> |
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14:01.04 | sauron | gonna try the master servers quick |
14:01.15 | StevenR | sauron: looks a broken dns entry...1.0.0.0 ? |
14:01.24 | edoardo | hi gals, hi dudes : ) |
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14:02.18 | charolastra | hi people |
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14:03.06 | AlcoholicDoc | System Information for [ Dustin-3 ] |
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14:03.07 | AlcoholicDoc | HD Info 60GB total storage capacity |
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14:03.07 | AlcoholicDoc | Processes 97 |
14:03.08 | AlcoholicDoc | Uptime 55 min |
14:03.15 | charolastra | has the action of the mouse wheel in the taskbar has changed with 3.4? |
14:03.28 | edoardo | i made a bash script to convert audio files from many formats into many formats. it's a nautilus script, designed for gnome, but i've heard it works fine on rox too, and it works as a standalone bash script as well. could anyone of you test it as a konqueror script? i think it would work there, too! then i could update my project page and type it works on konqueror! does anyone want to try it out? it's *really* super cool! here's the link: http: |
14:03.28 | edoardo | //freshmeat.net/projects/audio-convert/ |
14:03.38 | StevenR | charolastra: what do you mean? |
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14:05.30 | charolastra | StevenR: a friend is asking; it used to cycle though windows of the same app. but now it goes through all windows |
14:06.00 | StevenR | charolastra: it would depend on the taskbar settings wrt grouping i think |
14:08.22 | ironfroggy | can i get konq to search with google where it would otherwise give a malformed URL error? |
14:08.29 | benJIman | edoardo: have you made a context menu option for it? what does it use for inputting tag info? kdialog? |
14:08.47 | systemofadown | how can i delete old kcontrol modules |
14:08.57 | benJIman | ironfroggy: settings -> configure konqueror -> web shortcuts -> set default search engine |
14:09.28 | edoardo | benJIman, it uses zenity : ) |
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14:10.14 | charolastra | StevenR: here he is hte guy, "FeliWu" |
14:10.25 | FeliWu | thanks for introducing :-) |
14:10.29 | FeliWu | hello |
14:10.32 | edoardo | benJIman, and i dunno what a context menu option is : ) |
14:10.40 | edoardo | hi dude : ) |
14:11.27 | FeliWu | my problem is in KDE 3.4, that I wanna be able to cycle with my mousewheel through similar tasks as in KDE 3.3, but instead I can only cycle through all tasks |
14:12.27 | FeliWu | and this is quite annoying |
14:12.48 | StevenR | FeliWu: check you taksbar settings |
14:13.15 | FeliWu | yes, I can only cycle through windows by click, not by wheel |
14:13.24 | charolastra | StevenR: he did |
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14:13.48 | benJIman | edoardo: I meant like these http://kde-apps.org/?xcontentmode=287 |
14:14.08 | benJIman | edoardo: and if you want to make it kdeified you could use kdialog if it's run from within kde perhaps? |
14:14.13 | stibby | I asked aseigo about icon stacking, and he said to use the "mini launcher". I can't find this anywhere though. Is it an app that needs to be installed? |
14:14.25 | benJIman | edoardo: there's allready http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=12608 though |
14:15.09 | PhilRod | stibby: right-click on a free area of the panel: add -> applet -> quick launcher, or something like that |
14:15.26 | stibby | oh; is that what it's called |
14:15.27 | stibby | thankyou |
14:16.15 | charolastra | stibby: it's for your kicker |
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14:17.26 | StevenR | charolastra: sorry, i can't check settings atm, not in kde right now |
14:17.46 | ataxic | next to kdebase & kdelibs what do you guys suggest you have to install and still have a reasonable lightweight kde desktop |
14:18.01 | StevenR | arts, qt |
14:18.21 | ataxic | those are dependecies on kdelibs anyway |
14:19.02 | annma | ataxic: depends on what you need |
14:19.05 | PhilRod | depends what you need - if you want kmail, you'll need kdepim |
14:19.11 | PhilRod | heh, annma - gmta |
14:19.16 | annma | :) |
14:19.40 | ataxic | well i want the styles |
14:19.41 | annma | ataxic: you might want kdemultimedia |
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14:19.47 | ataxic | so i guess i need artwork too |
14:19.53 | annma | yes |
14:20.15 | ataxic | uhm i'm not sure if i use stuff from multimedia |
14:20.16 | annma | kdeaddons also has nice additions like make a html gallery from konq |
14:20.25 | annma | ataxic: you don't listent o music? |
14:20.51 | ataxic | with amorok |
14:20.55 | annma | ah :) |
14:20.59 | ataxic | or however you spell it |
14:21.12 | annma | it's speled anmarok |
14:21.17 | ataxic | :) |
14:21.27 | annma | ;) |
14:21.43 | ataxic | i install kaffeine, kmldonkey k3b and stuff like that |
14:21.57 | annma | yes, cool |
14:22.05 | ataxic | i'm playing with pkgsrc on slackware atm |
14:22.11 | ataxic | so far so good |
14:22.25 | ataxic | x is up with icewm |
14:22.53 | ataxic | well i usually do too, but i dont wanna sit through hours of compiles of stuff i never use |
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14:23.37 | ataxic | annma: pkgsrc is netbsd port stuff on linux if you didn't know |
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14:27.04 | edoardo | benJIman, yeah, it's true. there's that already : ) well, i guess it'll stick to gnome and rox and others then : ) thankyou dude! : ) |
14:27.43 | annma | why are some users stupid pricks by doing private to find /m/f? |
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14:30.17 | piggz | lo...what is a kde alternative to beagle? |
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14:31.37 | benJIman | piggz: there's tenor which is planned for kde4 I believe, which should allow a lot more than beagle, there are existing things like http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22135 for searching through files |
14:34.57 | FeliWu | Is anyone familiar with the xkb-Stuff in KDE? |
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14:35.24 | FeliWu | I want to change some keys in my keyboard layout to type Esperanto signs |
14:35.40 | FeliWu | but my changes are somehow overriden |
14:35.46 | PhilRod | I expect you might find it just as easy to do it with xmodmap |
14:35.52 | PhilRod | oh I see |
14:36.15 | FeliWu | I changed the file in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/de |
14:36.22 | FeliWu | but it seems to have no effect |
14:37.55 | FeliWu | It seems as if there were additional keys, which are not declared in the de-file |
14:38.15 | FeliWu | so additional key funcionalities |
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14:39.27 | FeliWu | how can I find out what keyboard code e.g. Alt-Gr u has? |
14:39.37 | StevenR | xev |
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14:41.28 | FeliWu | ok, and how do I convert this value into <AD***>? |
14:41.59 | FeliWu | e.g. what is 63 in xkb ? |
14:42.07 | FeliWu | or can I just enter 63 there? |
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14:45.44 | FeliWu | I thought myself and it worked :-) |
14:46.01 | FeliWu | it's countable how the key is named.... |
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15:00.59 | systemofadown | can someone help me |
15:01.15 | xanax | it depends on the question |
15:01.38 | systemofadown | kcontrol modules |
15:02.13 | xanax | it's not my thing but explain a little more, others could know |
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15:03.40 | systemofadown | there are two listing of one module in kcontol listing, one is left over from a previous installion how do i remove it |
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15:12.21 | expose | Hi. |
15:12.30 | expose | got a rather simple while important question: |
15:13.19 | expose | What happens to all your "kde-data" like, adressbook-entries and so on when you move from KDE version x.n to x.(n+1) and what happens when you move from x.n to (x+1).0? |
15:13.38 | expose | (e.g. 3.3 to 3.4 or 3.4 to 4.0) |
15:13.56 | expose | will you lose all this? no, right? |
15:14.04 | expose | it will be there, just like it has been before? |
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15:15.57 | mobtek | expose: no idea, mebbe back that up somewhere safe..is there a migration tool for that data? |
15:16.29 | mobtek | expose: one would think it would all still be in ~/.kde3.3 or whatever |
15:16.58 | expose | yes...but the thing is that i wont have the time to enter all that data again...if there's no migration tool... |
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15:22.40 | mobtek | expose: I can't seem to remember losing my stuff |
15:23.15 | expose | Okay. |
15:23.35 | expose | maybe since when kde has a major version bump the actual tools like kmail dont do so. |
15:24.04 | expose | meaning: kde moves from 3.4 to 4.0 but kmail moves (for example) just from 0.3.2 to 0.3.4 or so |
15:25.25 | reuben | expose: it's safe to assume that apps from 3.5 to 4.0 will be hugely different |
15:25.33 | mobtek | reuben: yeah |
15:25.44 | expose | Hm. |
15:26.15 | mobtek | expose: so mebbe in kde4 things like kaddressbook will still have an Import KDE3 Addressbook |
15:26.22 | mobtek | like it still does now for KDE2 etc |
15:27.05 | mobtek | I'd be surprised if you lost anything |
15:27.10 | mobtek | and if you did for very long :) |
15:27.40 | expose | Okay. Since i dont have a greater need to enter everything again i'll ask it in a forum when google doesnt help. need to go now, to catch the train. thanks so far |
15:27.42 | expose | ciao guys. |
15:28.22 | mobtek | hehe cool |
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16:23.15 | |sXe| | hi |
16:24.02 | |sXe| | Can anyone tell me how i can connect to anoncvs? i alway get the message "anoncvs.kde.org unknown host" |
16:24.47 | apokryphos | |sXe|: why not use svn? |
16:25.58 | |sXe| | hm.. i tried it but the directory strukture is not teh same.. i don't know which dirs i need.. |
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16:28.05 | _sxe | arg .. sry .. idsconnect |
16:28.13 | _sxe | [18:24] <apokryphos> |sXe|: why not use svn? |
16:28.14 | _sxe | [18:25] <|sXe|> hm.. i tried it but the directory strukture is not teh same.. i don't know which dirs i need.. |
16:28.14 | _sxe | [18:26] <|sXe|> im trying to download kmldonky from the extragear package |
16:28.14 | _sxe | [18:26] <|sXe|> and compile it ... ;] |
16:28.16 | _sxe | [18:27] <|sXe|> Is there no kde cvs server? |
16:28.23 | benJIman | svn |
16:28.26 | benJIman | see http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html see there |
16:28.49 | apokryphos | _sxe: what extragear, exactly? |
16:28.55 | _sxe | i read that .. but i don't know which dirs i need |
16:29.11 | _sxe | its a kde package.. which includes kmldonkey |
16:30.21 | _sxe | http://kmldonkey.org/node/9 .. here is the discription how to download kmldonkey.. but its cvs.. |
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16:38.07 | _sxe | ok .. i had posted it in the kmldonkey form .. thx |
16:38.08 | _sxe | bye |
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17:14.24 | SATux | hi, can someone help me? |
17:14.44 | SATux | I am trying to join ##java and get this error: |
17:14.54 | SATux | ##java You need to be identified to join that channel |
17:15.06 | SATux | can anyone help? |
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17:36.03 | grepper | SATux: solved ? |
17:36.54 | SATux | yea, thanks |
17:37.21 | SATux | now I just need to solve my java problem... |
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17:37.52 | ironfroggy | is there anyway to get a focus-follows-mouse policy but not have to chase dialogs around the screen? |
17:43.24 | Blissex | ironfroggy: depends on what you mean by that -- there are various levels of focus stealing prevention which _might_ do what you want |
17:43.51 | Blissex | ironfroggy: but beware choosing excessively clever policies, because they may be not well defined. |
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17:46.47 | ironfroggy | i want focus follows mouse, but when dialogs pop up, i'd like to just hit enter or start typing to use them. |
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17:53.53 | Tuxguy | How do I setup themes? I don't see an option in 'configure desktop' |
17:54.27 | benJIman | kcontrol -> appearance and themes |
17:56.02 | Tuxguy | I dont have appeareances and themes |
17:56.22 | Tuxguy | I have Accesibility, Componets, Information, Look n Feel, Network....etc |
17:57.17 | benJIman | probably look and feel, what version of kde is it? |
17:57.25 | Tuxguy | 3.3 |
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18:36.13 | virtemulo | How can I assign Esperanto signs to keys in X/KDE? I added an import "eo" the xkb-files for german layout, but somehow those imports are overriden from somewhere else. Is the german keyboard layout using some references, that collide with my additional import? |
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19:21.01 | Tsunami | hi all |
19:21.29 | Tsunami | iīm looking for someone to help me in an ide project |
19:21.39 | Tsunami | anyv]body there? |
19:21.45 | Tsunami | ops anybody |
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19:23.26 | annma | Tsunami: ask your question precisely please |
19:24.18 | Tsunami | I would like to ask what do you want to see in a new Visual RAD application for linux |
19:24.32 | Tsunami | my project will be build a new one |
19:24.39 | annma | RAD? |
19:24.46 | annma | for linux? |
19:24.47 | Tsunami | ahm |
19:24.49 | Tsunami | yes |
19:25.00 | annma | you mean a new Eclipse? |
19:25.17 | Tsunami | yes, but to build applications in C++ |
19:25.45 | annma | I don't think we need such a tool |
19:25.59 | Tsunami | why? |
19:26.10 | annma | we already have KDevelop which is perfectly OK to develop KDE-based applications |
19:26.27 | annma | what would your tool provide that KDevelop does not? |
19:26.55 | Tsunami | well |
19:27.10 | Tsunami | Iīm planning the project |
19:27.39 | Tsunami | at the beggining, Iīm searching for the reason to build a tool like that and what do better than others |
19:28.04 | annma | why don't you join the KDevelop team instead of trying to reinvent the wheel? |
19:28.38 | Tsunami | hmm |
19:29.05 | Tsunami | i was looking for a tool like C Builder to linux, but opensource |
19:29.15 | Tsunami | And i didnt found one |
19:29.17 | annma | did you look at KDevelop? |
19:29.36 | annma | what does Linux mean in your vision? |
19:29.55 | Tsunami | An operational system.. |
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19:30.14 | annma | a new Visual RAD application for linux <- what does that mean? |
19:30.23 | annma | for me it does mean a lot |
19:30.23 | Tsunami | ah |
19:30.37 | Tsunami | an application to build another ones |
19:30.41 | Tsunami | like delphi |
19:30.51 | Tsunami | to build easly the ide |
19:30.55 | annma | isn't delphi for a specific language? |
19:30.58 | Tsunami | ops, interface |
19:31.15 | Theory | "Rapid Application Development" Application |
19:31.36 | Tsunami | delphi is for object pascal |
19:31.46 | annma | so what do you see for linux? |
19:31.58 | Tsunami | well |
19:32.02 | annma | if you want C++ that means KDE |
19:32.09 | annma | hence KDevelop |
19:32.35 | Tsunami | but... and to build the graphical interface with k develop? |
19:32.45 | Tsunami | isnt with code only? |
19:33.07 | annma | ever heard of QtDesigner and even KDevDesigner? |
19:33.24 | Tsunami | no |
19:33.44 | annma | you should have a look at KDevelop and see what it provides |
19:33.54 | annma | and position yourself from that |
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19:34.03 | annma | otherwise you're going to waste your time |
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19:34.21 | Tsunami | you are right |
19:34.57 | Tsunami | what are the alternatives to build a graphical application in linux today? |
19:35.15 | Tsunami | I found lazarus and gambas |
19:35.15 | annma | I only know KDE but Eclipse is the other one |
19:35.42 | annma | those are not very much used I think |
19:35.51 | annma | well I mainly know KDE only |
19:35.57 | annma | so I am quite biased |
19:36.03 | Tsunami | hmm |
19:36.25 | annma | but for C++ I don't think there is any room for anything else than KDevelop |
19:36.36 | annma | there is no other C+ based toolkit |
19:36.51 | Tsunami | the question is, is it easy to build an application in Kdevelop like in Delphi? |
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19:38.25 | Tsunami | well, thank you anyway |
19:38.27 | Theory | well, there's kommander |
19:38.36 | Theory | again, built on kde |
19:38.41 | Theory | or monodevelop and gtk-sharp |
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19:38.57 | Flendor | Hello. |
19:39.02 | Tsunami | hi |
19:39.15 | annma | kommander? |
19:39.18 | annma | RAD? |
19:39.47 | Tsunami | kommander is like glade? |
19:40.06 | annma | Theory: Kommander is a RAD? |
19:40.19 | aseigo | designer is like glad |
19:40.20 | aseigo | only good |
19:40.25 | Dhraakellian | afaik (which is very little in this case), kommander is for scripting and such |
19:40.30 | aseigo | yes |
19:40.42 | Tsunami | oh |
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19:40.45 | aseigo | kommander is a way to quickly create small dialog-based apps |
19:40.50 | Tsunami | kommander is for shell script |
19:40.51 | aseigo | designer is a GUI designer |
19:40.58 | stibby | aseigo: i love this quick launcher, but unfortunately it lacks a feature so i can't use it |
19:41.01 | rr72 | hey aseigo |
19:41.05 | aseigo | yo everyone |
19:41.06 | stibby | why are we not allowed to add menus to the quick launcher? |
19:41.11 | stibby | yo aseigo |
19:41.20 | aseigo | stibby: what sort of menus? |
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19:41.26 | annma | see, Tsunami , there are much confusion already about what exists |
19:41.50 | annma | but for KDE all tools are there to create quickly any app |
19:42.09 | stibby | aseigo: you can add application menus to the main panels |
19:42.11 | annma | in fact I created one in 2 hours without knowing C++ when I first used KDevelop |
19:42.28 | Tsunami | hmm |
19:42.34 | aseigo | stibby: app menus.. yeah, no particular reason why not.. |
19:42.45 | aseigo | stibby: well, other than the class for that is in kicker and not the library |
19:43.03 | Tsunami | so, i draw the interface in kdesigner and write programming in kdevelop? |
19:43.08 | stibby | would it be hard to get that feature on the quick launcher? |
19:43.20 | aseigo | hmm.. not paritcularly. let me see... |
19:44.07 | stibby | it would really be helpful |
19:44.56 | Tsunami | aseigo: ? |
19:45.46 | vi4m | hello, how to export KMail maildir messages, to the format of OutlookExpress ? |
19:46.01 | annma | Tsunami: of course you do that |
19:46.05 | aseigo | stibby: it would mean moving RecentApps to libkicker, moving the couple of MenuManager referices to k_mnu.cpp so that PanelServicemenu (kicker/kicker/ui/service_mnu.h|cpp) could also be moved to libkickermain |
19:46.15 | annma | Tsunami: look at some easy tutorials |
19:46.31 | aseigo | Tsunami: yes, that's the easy way to do it =) |
19:46.41 | annma | Tsunami: a child can do a GUI app in a few clicks |
19:47.28 | Dhraakellian | hehhehheh |
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19:47.44 | Dhraakellian | so is that statement goign to be proven? |
19:48.03 | aseigo | going to be? ;) |
19:48.11 | Dhraakellian | has it been? |
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19:48.22 | Dhraakellian | (and, yes, tupos ate bell) |
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19:48.25 | aseigo | oops |
19:48.32 | Dhraakellian | (and, yes, tupos ate bell) |
19:48.32 | aseigo | yeah, he's played with designer before =) |
19:49.02 | stibby | aseigo: so this quick-launch request is unrealistic? |
19:49.28 | aseigo | stibby: no, it's realistic .. |
19:49.37 | aseigo | stibby: not sure if i'm motivated to do it for 3.5 though |
19:50.08 | aseigo | i'm moving my efforts to plasma in kde4 primarily and am trying to keep my 3.5 work to bug fixes and usability improvements rather than features and major code resturcturing |
19:50.15 | aseigo | i'd probably accept a good patch though |
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19:51.45 | stibby | all i want is the ability to stack icons that represent application menus |
19:51.49 | stibby | if plasma has that, they w00t |
19:51.52 | stibby | work on plasma |
19:51.55 | stibby | *then |
19:52.29 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
19:52.40 | Dhraakellian | when (roughly) is KDE4 expected? |
19:53.18 | Dhraakellian | I've heard October 2006 mentioned in reference to KDE's tenth anniversary |
19:53.33 | stibby | that long? :( |
19:53.47 | aseigo | 10-06 might be a bit ambitious |
19:53.52 | aseigo | stibby: yes |
19:54.10 | aseigo | stibby: this isn't like the jump from 3.3->3.4, nor even the jump from 2.2 -> 3.0 |
19:54.18 | aseigo | thankfully it's not going to be another 2.0 |
19:54.35 | aseigo | but we're doing some exciting, and difficult, things with the codebase |
19:54.39 | stibby | maybe by that time i'll actually know cpp/qt and will be able to do something small. working on java python and php right now |
19:55.05 | stibby | one of the top things i'm hoping for in the next release is speed |
19:55.10 | aseigo | stibby: no time like the present man =) |
19:55.11 | stibby | or at least no slower than it currently is |
19:55.20 | aseigo | yes, speed and memory should both improve |
19:55.29 | aseigo | Qt4 alone gives us some nice advantages |
19:55.35 | aseigo | anyways.. gotta go ... bbiaw |
19:55.46 | Dhraakellian | so KDE4 is still over a year away then? |
19:57.00 | stibby | ^_^ |
19:58.15 | Dhraakellian | (damning with faint praise, I know) |
19:59.43 | stibby | actually, /. reported that the beta came out today |
19:59.50 | stibby | so they are making an attempt to do something, i guess |
20:00.47 | benJIman | apparently they've not feature frozen it yet though |
20:02.57 | stibby | does windows ever freeze anything? |
20:04.30 | Dhraakellian | "features freezing" is different from "feature freeze" |
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20:05.59 | MrRio | hey, how do i set keyboard shortcuts? something similar to the 'Keyboard Shortcuts' menu in gnome. like hot keys, play pause etc. that u get on laptops |
20:06.39 | stibby | keyboard shortcuts to go to applications can be editted in the K Menu Editor |
20:06.41 | praseodymium | when I create a directory with a [ in the name and open it using konqueror, I only get a list of directories in the directory's parent |
20:06.58 | praseodymium | or folder, w/e |
20:07.04 | praseodymium | can anyone reproduce this? |
20:07.05 | MrRio | stibby: for like play, pause |
20:07.32 | praseodymium | MrGrim: for e.g. amaroK you can use global shortcuts |
20:07.41 | benJIman | MrRio: regionability & accessability -> keyboard shortucts/ keyboard layout / input actions in control center are relevant |
20:07.43 | praseodymium | MrRio: see above |
20:07.53 | praseodymium | MrRio: and you can also use KHotKeys |
20:08.26 | benJIman | MrRio: the input actions thing aka khotkeys allows you to set up dcop calls to control apps, eg I use that for my multimedia natural keyboard multimedia keys to control juk |
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20:09.45 | praseodymium | benJIman, MrRio: for amarok I just use global shortcuts. works like a charm. |
20:10.13 | praseodymium | settings > global shortcuts |
20:10.20 | benJIman | praseodymium: yeah you can do that, or use khotkeys and the dcop interface |
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20:10.38 | MrRio | praseodymium: cool, anyway of getting to that, im on gnome |
20:10.39 | praseodymium | benJIman: true, but thats less user-friendly of course. |
20:10.43 | benJIman | the advantagae of using khotkeys is perhaps that it's easy to switch over to another media player |
20:11.03 | praseodymium | benJIman: if the media player provides enough dcop bindings of course |
20:11.11 | benJIman | praseodymium: dcop and juk provide plenty |
20:11.15 | benJIman | *amarok and juk |
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20:11.21 | praseodymium | MrRio: kcontrol, amarok |
20:12.05 | benJIman | each to their own, I prefer juk's not-using-500mb-of-ram ness |
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20:12.22 | praseodymium | lol |
20:12.22 | praseodymium | bbl |
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20:14.22 | MrRio | i cant see play/pause under global shortcuts |
20:16.02 | Dhraakellian | MrGrim, what media player? |
20:16.12 | MrRio | amarok |
20:16.16 | Dhraakellian | heh |
20:16.21 | MrRio | under gnome |
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20:16.30 | Dhraakellian | amaroK's global shortcuts can be configured through amaroK |
20:16.37 | MrRio | oh, cool :) |
20:16.51 | Dhraakellian | Settings > Configure global shortcuts |
20:16.56 | MrRio | the keys work fine with gnome media players, but they all suck |
20:17.01 | terry | Anyone know of a KDE program that will allow me to unzip every file in a directory to that directory? |
20:17.29 | MrRio | konqueror has a 'extract here' when u right click |
20:17.37 | MrRio | or at least on fedora core 4 |
20:18.11 | annma | terry: ark? |
20:18.40 | terry | annma: That will only allow me to do one at a time. |
20:19.01 | annma | you mean to unzip all zip files? |
20:19.07 | terry | MrRio: That is what I have been doing, but I have over 400 files. |
20:19.11 | annma | unzip *.zip |
20:19.22 | Dhraakellian | konqi should have something in the context menu, iirc |
20:19.31 | terry | annma: I tried that, but it says filename unmatched |
20:19.36 | benJIman | terry: you can select them all at once and right click -> extract here |
20:19.54 | annma | terry: unzip --help to see options |
20:20.46 | Dhraakellian | right-click > Extract > Extract here |
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20:23.04 | Tsunami | well, thanks for all |
20:23.06 | Tsunami | cya |
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20:39.42 | rr72 | yay i got nvidia module working |
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20:52.53 | Vorner | Hello, I would like to ask: is it possible, if I have some QDialog showed, to 1) Hide it && 2) Show it inside another dialog as a widget (or inside some other widget)? Thank you. |
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21:00.36 | zone17 | Hi, anyone who has seen the problem where the fonts on gaim are very small and where it's impossible to change the size? |
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21:02.01 | benJIman | zone17: gaim isn't a kde app, if you install gtk-qt engine then you can adjust the fontsize for gtk apps in kde control center |
21:02.03 | benJIman | *centre |
21:03.22 | zone17 | benJIman, thanks!! ofcourse! |
21:03.52 | benJIman | http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/gtkqt.png like that |
21:05.01 | zone17 | benJIman, thanks a lot :-) |
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21:21.04 | terry | benJIman: Thanks for the help!! I had to use krename to take out all of the spaces and then aRk worked. |
21:21.16 | benJIman | interesting |
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21:41.24 | unome | what a KDE UGI for top? |
21:41.38 | unome | gui* |
21:41.46 | benJIman | ctrl-escape |
21:42.32 | unome | nice, thx. |
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21:53.34 | kotya | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
21:54.15 | kotya | Hello................ |
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21:56.18 | kotya | Help MEEEEEEEEEEEE |
21:56.51 | Dhraakellian | oy |
21:57.13 | Dhraakellian | "Don't ask to ask; just ask" |
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22:21.14 | kendhome | what the hell? |
22:21.43 | kendhome | so, i asked if there'd be a way to prevent menus from popping open on hover, since that can be very annoying (esp if the pop-up menu that I DIDN'T want is so huge as to overlap the one I'm trying to get at) |
22:21.54 | kendhome | and apparently this is a widget-style issue!? |
22:21.58 | kendhome | sux0r! :( |
22:22.05 | kendhome | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108466 |
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22:23.09 | mcquaid | hello, in my kde 3.4.1 the save dialog has an option 'automatically select filename extension' but it's greyed out |
22:23.16 | mcquaid | is there something to check to enable it? |
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22:26.22 | ds_nik | is there a feater in kmail for archived folder, so that if i move mails in this folder thei're not processed until accessing them? :-) |
22:29.05 | kendhome | lame |
22:29.07 | kendhome | it is a style issue |
22:29.19 | kendhome | the only style i have (that i've tried) that DOESN'T do it is ugly old motif :^( |
22:31.42 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
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22:33.00 | kendhome | and not be dependent on the widget style (which, i thought, would only affect what things LOOK like, not how they ACT... right!?) |
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22:38.53 | Febian | How can I set up a bootsplash for kdm? |
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22:39.44 | benJIman | Febian: you mean the splash for starting kde, from kdm? or the bootsplash itself on the consoles?, the former is in kcontrol -> appearance and themes -> splash screen |
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22:40.47 | Febian | The place where you put user name and password... |
22:41.08 | Febian | that id kdm boot manager, right? |
22:41.16 | Febian | id=is |
22:41.18 | benJIman | ah you mean a theme for kdm rather than splash |
22:41.36 | Febian | yeah, sorry... |
22:41.51 | benJIman | they go in /opt/kde3/share/apps/kdm/themes |
22:42.00 | benJIman | there are several on kde-look.org |
22:42.39 | Febian | I just downloaded some themes...but I don't know how to install them |
22:43.15 | benJIman | put them in /opt/kde3/share/kdm/themes |
22:44.26 | Febian | I don't have that directory! I only have /opt (I'm using debian) |
22:44.33 | benJIman | oh sorry |
22:45.19 | benJIman | "cd `kde-config --prefix`/share/apps/kdm/themes" I should have said |
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22:49.06 | Febian | I cannot find this place. I have a directory named .kde on my home dir, but inside there is no kdm dirs... |
22:49.21 | thiago | try the one in kde-config --prefix |
22:49.28 | benJIman | Febian: did you try running "cd `kde-config --prefix`/share/apps/kdm/themes" ? |
22:49.56 | benJIman | Febian: are you running kde 3.4? pre 3.4 didn't have support for themes |
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22:50.11 | benJIman | sarge doesn't have 3.4 iirc |
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22:51.53 | Febian | kde 3.3 |
22:52.09 | thiago | then yours doesn't suport kdm themes |
22:52.18 | Febian | ah! |
22:52.30 | Febian | how may I upgrade kde? |
22:52.53 | benJIman | use your distro tools , presumably apt |
22:53.12 | Febian | I'll try...thanks! |
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23:00.25 | mcquaid | does anyone know how to enable the option in the kde save dialog 'automatically select filename extension'? |
23:00.32 | mcquaid | currently it's greyed out |
23:00.48 | Theory | select a filetype in the dropdown box? |
23:01.03 | mcquaid | maybe thats part of the problem i have none |
23:01.08 | mcquaid | in the dropdown that is |
23:01.17 | Theory | what app? |
23:01.29 | mcquaid | doesn't seem to mater, kedit, kate |
23:02.04 | benJIman | mcquaid: well if you look at ksnapshot for example if you select a filetype from the "filter" box you can then use the automatically select filename extension |
23:02.19 | Theory | I think this is normal behaviour for kate and kedit |
23:03.31 | mcquaid | and is it normal to have no filters when opening a file in say kedit? |
23:03.52 | mcquaid | i thought way back kde, used to have a bunch of default filtes like .txt etc |
23:03.59 | benJIman | it is normal |
23:04.06 | benJIman | text files don't usually have extensions |
23:04.44 | mcquaid | normally not in nix, but in windows it does, and i thought kde mimicked that behaviour |
23:04.52 | mcquaid | or i think it used to |
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23:05.55 | mcquaid | jsut trying to get windows like behaviour for the gf |
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23:06.20 | mcquaid | she said' why do i see all these pics and stuff when i'm opening a text document in this notepad program' |
23:06.21 | benJIman | why does it matter if it's named .txt? |
23:06.28 | benJIman | ah I see |
23:07.33 | benJIman | well most people want to use text editors for opening files named all sorts of ways, so for the vast majority it would be annoying to have to remove the filter each time I guess |
23:07.49 | mcquaid | true |
23:08.38 | mcquaid | well at least the filter option is there. thats why i was trying to get the save to automatically add .txt for her |
23:08.47 | mcquaid | and i thought that greyed out checkbox was the way |
23:11.20 | mcquaid | hmm, in kedit if i type *.txt when saving and tab away from that field the option is no longer grey |
23:11.41 | mcquaid | but if i already type the *.txt in, I don't see whats its actually doing |
23:12.45 | benJIman | mcquaid: the filter is for what files it shows |
23:13.01 | benJIman | the file extension thing will automatically add that file extension to the filename you type in when you saveit |
23:15.13 | mcquaid | ok thx |
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23:32.03 | mki4ok | hello people |
23:32.20 | mki4ok | someone speak spanish |
23:32.29 | mki4ok | only for practic |
23:32.38 | tenchi21 | hi |
23:32.59 | Venson | no habla espanol |
23:33.05 | tenchi21 | i'm trying to learn how to make splash screens |
23:33.26 | mki4ok | mmm+ |
23:33.34 | mki4ok | lol |
23:33.44 | Venson | tenchi21: take a peek at the existing ones on kde-look.org |
23:33.52 | tenchi21 | can someone point me to a faq |
23:33.56 | mki4ok | verson como k no habla espaņol |
23:34.29 | Venson | no comprendar |
23:34.54 | linuxman | mi no hablo espanol |
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23:37.27 | lauri | tenchi21: help:/ksplashml/index.html |
23:38.35 | tenchi21 | lauri? |
23:38.42 | mki4ok_ | hello |
23:38.50 | mki4ok_ | lauri is woman |
23:39.18 | lauri | tenchi21: the documentation for how to make splash pages is probably already on your computer |
23:39.22 | tenchi21 | no what site is that for? "<lauri> tenchi21: help:/ksplashml/index.html" |
23:39.23 | lauri | type that into a konqueror window |
23:39.37 | tenchi21 | not on linux system currently |
23:39.51 | lauri | http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/ksplashml/index.html |
23:40.23 | mki4ok_ | hello speak spanish |
23:40.24 | tenchi21 | thanks |
23:40.53 | lauri | habla alguien espaņol |
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23:41.03 | mki4ok_ | lauri hablas espaņol |
23:41.20 | mki4ok_ | lauri k eres hombre o mujer |
23:41.26 | lauri | nej, kan du svenska? |
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23:41.45 | mki4ok_ | lauri tu hablas espaņol |
23:41.46 | Tarantulafudge | Can somebody tell me what the point of ARTS is? |
23:41.49 | mki4ok_ | ??? |
23:41.50 | mki4ok_ | mmm |
23:41.57 | Tarantulafudge | I know its the sound server |
23:41.59 | lauri | you don't speak swedish? |
23:42.15 | mki4ok_ | swedish what is? |
23:42.17 | lauri | (because I don't speak spanish) |
23:42.19 | Tarantulafudge | hola mki4ok |
23:42.28 | Tarantulafudge | I do, somewhat |
23:42.32 | mki4ok_ | hola |
23:42.37 | mki4ok_ | tarantu |
23:42.43 | Tarantulafudge | que es tu problema? |
23:43.03 | mki4ok_ | kiero un programa como kazaa para linux |
23:43.05 | lauri | although, i've been on irc a lot of years, so I recognise most pejoeratives and insults these days (last week, i learnt how to say your mother looks like a goat in hebrew) |
23:43.39 | lauri | Tarantulafudge: the point now? or the point 5 years ago when it was started and KDE came to depend on it? |
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23:43.59 | Tarantulafudge | mki4ok, grokster |
23:44.01 | mki4ok_ | oye de donde eres tarantu |
23:44.11 | mki4ok_ | y eso de donde lo bajo |
23:44.48 | lauri | common api for sound applications, cross platform sound mixing capabilities 85 years ago, network transparency (play sound here, hear it over there in another room, or vice versa) |
23:45.17 | Tarantulafudge | lauri, well specifically, does it require drivers? |
23:45.21 | lauri | most of these things can be done in other ways now (well, excuse the random 85 years ago that randomly got pasted into the middle of that) |
23:45.28 | Tarantulafudge | lauri, does it depend on alsa's drivers? |
23:45.33 | aseigo | Tarantulafudge: hardware drivers? no |
23:45.37 | lauri | it doesn't have drivers of it's own |
23:45.41 | lauri | and it doesn't require alsa |
23:45.51 | lauri | it requires you have a working soundcard, of some kind, that you can hear things on |
23:45.52 | aseigo | Tarantulafudge: it's all software and uses whatever hardware is available to it. |
23:45.53 | lauri | that's about it |
23:45.59 | aseigo | lauri: hey girl =) |
23:46.02 | lauri | hey boy :) |
23:46.06 | mki4ok_ | oye tarantu de donde bajo ese programa |
23:46.08 | Tarantulafudge | aseigo, what about proprietary hardware? |
23:46.21 | aseigo | Tarantulafudge: if your OS works with it, that's all that matters. |
23:46.45 | mki4ok_ | :) |
23:47.03 | lauri | and decides every one would look different |
23:47.10 | aseigo | lauri: today? like vapour! |
23:47.11 | lauri | and mine would be pink, with stripes |
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23:47.38 | aseigo | lauri: hahaha |
23:47.40 | mki4ok_ | lauri are you from?????? |
23:47.45 | aseigo | mki4ok: venus |
23:47.47 | Tarantulafudge | lauri, I'm confused on how that would work lol |
23:47.48 | aseigo | or so i've heard. |
23:47.55 | lauri | well, that would be to cover up my shockingly out of practise soldering |
23:48.15 | mki4ok_ | venus??? |
23:48.16 | lauri | Tarantulafudge: easy, you send me all sorts of random dsp type chippy thingies |
23:48.21 | lauri | oh and a bit of pasteboard |
23:48.28 | lauri | i stick 'em all on, and paint it pink |
23:48.44 | Tarantulafudge | lauri, sorry I come from experience with alsa |
23:48.59 | lauri | then I put it on the wall as postmodern art, because, that's about all it would be good for |
23:49.09 | lauri | Tarantulafudge: alsa is, in the scheme of things, very new |
23:49.56 | lauri | I'm not sure what experience you mean (you are developing? building sound hardware? trying to fix a broken KDE install?) |
23:50.03 | Tarantulafudge | mki4ok, lo ciento, yo no comprenda mucha espanol |
23:50.25 | Tarantulafudge | lauri, Im used to alsa |
23:50.28 | lauri | but arts solved a lot of problems (and provides a lot of functionality that wasn't even really considered for desktops) |
23:50.30 | lauri | then use alsa |
23:50.38 | Tarantulafudge | lauri, but kde uses arts |
23:50.56 | Tarantulafudge | lauri, arts is fine, i just need to know if I need to get a module for my sound card or what |
23:51.04 | lauri | arts can't speak to alsa? |
23:51.10 | lauri | I find that very hard to believe |
23:51.17 | Tarantulafudge | wait what |
23:51.21 | Tarantulafudge | so arts uses alsa? |
23:51.24 | aseigo | it works just fine with alsa =) |
23:51.26 | lauri | or oss |
23:51.28 | lauri | or nothing at all |
23:51.32 | lauri | or whatever you have |
23:51.34 | Tarantulafudge | nothing... ? |
23:51.35 | aseigo | it uses whatever you have |
23:51.36 | aseigo | haha |
23:51.38 | aseigo | yeah.. |
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23:51.45 | straw | or even esd! |
23:51.46 | lauri | sure, I don't need anything here (just point it at a soundcard /dev/dsp) |
23:51.48 | Tarantulafudge | will it produce sound with.. nothing?? |
23:51.48 | lauri | or esd |
23:52.00 | lauri | yes, because not everything is your linux box that is running alsa :) |
23:52.02 | aseigo | or lsd |
23:52.13 | lauri | nono, bsd has dibs on the lsd |
23:52.16 | straw | trippy... |
23:52.23 | Tarantulafudge | lauri, then what SHOULD I use |
23:52.34 | aseigo | in fact, if you have lsd as your sound system, you don't evne need your computer plugged in! |
23:52.42 | lauri | Tarantulafudge: tell arts what your sound device is called |
23:52.46 | lauri | done |
23:52.50 | aseigo | Tarantulafudge: just make sure your sound card is supported by your OS and is set up to make noise. that's all |
23:52.58 | Tarantulafudge | lauri, emu10k1x ? |
23:52.58 | mki4ok_ | hello i need a information of this chat |
23:53.05 | lauri | not even that |
23:53.15 | aseigo | no.. /dev/dsp or whatever |
23:53.29 | Tarantulafudge | what are the steps to set it up to make noise? |
23:53.30 | lauri | or /dev/potato |
23:53.41 | mki4ok_ | OK |
23:53.44 | lauri | kcontrol -> sound and multimedia -> enable sound system |
23:53.48 | lauri | play sound |
23:53.59 | lauri | kcontrol -> sound and multimedia -> sound system -> enable sound system |
23:54.02 | lauri | sorry, missed one |
23:54.03 | mki4ok_ | IGNORENME PUES ESTA BUENO INDIOS |
23:54.09 | Tarantulafudge | lauri, some how I think its more complicated then that |
23:54.27 | lauri | why? that works perfectly well for most everyone |
23:54.50 | Tarantulafudge | lauri, even my sound card was just RECENTLY added to alsa |
23:54.59 | lauri | you miss the point |
23:55.01 | lauri | if alsa knows it |
23:55.03 | lauri | arts can use it |
23:55.03 | benJIman | Tarantulafudge: is your sound working anyway? |
23:55.11 | lauri | if *anything* can play sound out it on your entire computer |
23:55.12 | lauri | arts can |
23:55.15 | Tarantulafudge | benJIman, this is a fresh install |
23:55.21 | lauri | if you can cat a wav out the dsp device |
23:55.22 | benJIman | Tarantulafudge: so does it work? |
23:55.23 | benJIman | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
23:55.23 | lauri | arts can use it |
23:55.42 | mki4ok_ | K PROBLEMA CON USTEDES SI HABLARAN ESPAŅOL LES RESOLVIERA SUS PROBLEMAS |
23:55.44 | lauri | if you need to install a driver into alsa for that to work, that's up to alsa |
23:55.47 | mki4ok_ | SON UNOS PROBLEMATICOS |
23:55.53 | lauri | mki4ok: stop shouting |
23:56.10 | Tarantulafudge | he wants someone who speaks spanish to help him |
23:56.12 | mki4ok_ | NO SE DEN TANTO PROBLEM LAS COSAS SON SENCILLAS |
23:56.17 | lauri | and clearly we don't speak spanish |
23:56.37 | lauri | (I already told him that, it's the only sentence in spanish I even know) |
23:56.49 | Venson | i love the ignore function |
23:56.58 | Tarantulafudge | well i know a bit of spanish from my high school courses |
23:57.01 | mki4ok_ | I SPEAK INGLES |
23:57.09 | lauri | mki4ok: then what is your problem? |
23:57.22 | Venson | it's hard not to know a little spanish when you live in the United States of Spanishland |
23:57.24 | lauri | Tarantulafudge: well, he doesn't speak swedish either |
23:57.32 | lauri | so we're just not getting along |
23:57.54 | straw | mki4ok_: please stop using caps lock |
23:57.56 | lauri | if you can help him in spanish, please do so, if not, please help translate his questions, all the shouting gets nobody anywhere |
23:57.59 | Tarantulafudge | he left |
23:58.06 | lauri | no kidding :) |
23:58.08 | lauri | ok, now for you |
23:58.13 | Tarantulafudge | I was trying to contemplate |
23:58.15 | lauri | arts does not know, or care what your sound card is |
23:58.19 | straw | no, he hasn't |
23:58.31 | lauri | the only thing arts knows, or cares, is that there is one, and your OS knows where it is |
23:58.34 | mki4ok_ | LOL |
23:58.45 | straw | heh |
23:58.47 | lauri | and it'll happily toss sound at your OS, and let it do with it what it wants |
23:58.47 | Tarantulafudge | ok, so are there any steps to making my OS know its there? |
23:58.52 | mki4ok_ | IM PRACTIC SPANISH |
23:58.58 | lauri | I have no idea, I don't use linux, or alsa, or have your sound card |
23:59.04 | benJIman | Tarantulafudge: use your distro tools |
23:59.09 | mki4ok_ | UNDERSTAND THIS IS FOR US |
23:59.16 | aseigo | mki4ok_: can you please not type all in capital letters? thank you |
23:59.26 | mki4ok_ | K TIENE DE MALO USAR LAS MAYUSCULAS AH |
23:59.51 | Tarantulafudge | I have a bad user... something |