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00:00.48hc_testinggreetings all
00:03.27_Hugo4711_@aseigo: then i will look through the HAL-configs.
00:08.17benJIman_Hugo4711_: suse has a tray applet for configuring the autorunning of such things, perhaps FC has the same ?
00:10.13_Hugo4711_@benjiman: there is just kwikdisk, but it does not allow editing the config
00:12.09benJIman_Hugo4711_: nothing like http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/suseplugger.png ?
00:12.10_Hugo4711_hal is just a interface to add new hardware dynamicly to /dev or /etc/fstab while kded-mediamanager watches the mounts and acts acordingly
00:12.41rr72does anyone have a geforce m4000 video card?
00:13.30benJImanrr72: I've told you twice, run glxinfo | grep direct to see if it's using the nvidia drivers
00:13.57_Hugo4711_benjiman: no.
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00:24.20_Hugo4711_i guess i have a hot clue. fc4 brings the autorun-package with it. that is the one which i have to configure
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01:05.12edoardohi gals, hi dudes : )
01:05.21qt2does kde have some sort of automount funtion?
01:06.18rr72SuSE does
01:06.23edoardocan anyone usin' konqueror, most of you i suspect : ), help me out? i made a bash script designed for nautilus, but it also works on rox and as a plain bash script. it converts many audio files into many audio files. it's really super cool! is there any such thing as a konqueror script? if so, could you guys try out if it works? thankyou! : )
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01:08.26canllaithAlethes: hrm, this colour scheme of yours is majorly sexy
01:08.45Vensoncanllaith: it is?
01:08.49Vensoncanllaith: screenie?
01:08.52canllaithhahaha oh dera, I killed him!
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01:09.02canllaithVenson: it's very soft olive green etc. I'll screenshot it :)
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01:09.11Vensoncanllaith: yay.....danke schon
01:09.38YoshyHeh, Konversation is very cool
01:09.50Vensoncanllaith: http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1079/piccsau137ni.jpg
01:10.23rr72hey Alethes
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01:10.46Speedy2aseigo: I'd definitely like to switch to KDE/Linux full-time.  Sadly, most of my Hardware Development Tools are Windows based
01:11.17edoardoso no one's gonna help me? : (
01:11.17aseigoSpeedy2: ah yeah.. that happens.
01:11.20edoardo: )
01:11.22canllaithVenson: http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/screen3.png
01:11.40aseigoedoardo: yes, it's quite easy. let me get you the tutorial
01:11.47canllaitholive titlebars, blue highlights. Interesting combination but it *really* works.
01:11.52Vensoncanllaith: that's a pleasant green, yeah
01:12.18edoardoaseigo, no, i don't have kde : ) i was wonderin' if one of you guys could try it and see if it works on konqueror as well : )
01:12.35edoardoaseigo, little misunderstanding : )
01:13.19Speedy2snugglemonkey: Do you do hardware design too?
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01:13.41YoshyIs there anyway to make konversation indent nick "ala XChat" ?
01:13.59aseigoedoardo: well, here's what you need to do for KDE: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/dot/servicemenus.html
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01:14.18aseigoedoardo: a nautilus script won't work out of the box with konqueror.
01:14.28aseigoedoardo: but then our servicemenus are a lot more sane IMHO
01:14.32rr72sup carles
01:14.37rr72canllaith~  i mean
01:15.35edoardoanyway, here's the freshmeat link: http://freshmeat.net/projects/audio-convert/. but don't download it from there, go to the homepage and get the latest version! freshmeat will update its page tomorrow i think, as of now download version 0.1.1 from the home page that's linked on the freshmeat page! try it out dudes! it's super cool! : )
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01:17.01Alethescanllaith: where'd you get that background in that screenie?
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01:17.10Vensonshplit
01:17.20edoardouhm, awright
01:17.23edoardoi was sayin'
01:17.29edoardoanyway, here's the freshmeat link: http://freshmeat.net/projects/audio-convert/. but don't download it from there, go to the homepage and get the latest version! freshmeat will update its page tomorrow i think, as of now download version 0.1.1 from the home page that's linked on the freshmeat page! try it out dudes! it's super cool! : )
01:17.35edoardo: D
01:17.50edoardowhat's happenin'?
01:18.41Yoshyedoardo: netsplit
01:18.46rr72first one?
01:18.58edoardoyeah, think so : )
01:19.03edoardoor maybe i saw it once or twice
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01:19.09edoardoor maybe i saw it once or twice
01:19.18edoardobut never understood what it was : )
01:19.21edoardowhy does it happen?
01:19.37Yoshyedoardo: it's when 2 IRC server lose sync,
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01:19.57Alethescanllaith: where'd you get that background in that screenie?
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01:20.08edoardoYoshy, uh, thankyou dude! : )
01:20.19edoardomaybe i could come here and ask for help with my script tomorrow
01:20.37Yoshyedoardo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit for more info ;)
01:20.40edoardosince no one seems to be willin' to try it out tonite
01:20.55edoardo: )
01:20.55edoardoprobably most people who would are asleep : )
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01:21.32Yoshysterling.freenode.net and irc.freenode.net are having problems :/
01:21.50edoardo: (
01:21.51edoardo: )
01:21.52edoardo: D
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01:22.17edoardo^  ^
01:22.18edoardo----
01:22.20edoardo\__/
01:22.28edoardouh, got it wrong
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01:22.30edoardoi meant
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01:22.36Alethescanllaith: you here? :P
01:22.39edoardo^  ^
01:22.40edoardo____
01:22.42edoardo\__/
01:22.43rr72wait till over
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01:30.17unomequestion: when I click Administrator Mode on any Kcontrol (any function that has it) it brings me back to the Kcontrol main page/screen. Is this a bug?
01:31.03qt2wb all
01:31.08qt2as i was saying...
01:31.10qt2that's really damn annoying
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01:31.27rr72nss
01:31.28unomeit is .. irc
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01:32.54unomeanyone?
01:33.03qt2any idea why when i ckose konqueror it stays running and is passed off to [kdeinit]?
01:33.15benJImanit keeps it preloaded by default
01:33.41qt2benJIman, thats a pain when you're trying to unmount something :P
01:33.42benJImanyou can adjust it in kcontrol -> kde components -> kde performance
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01:33.51benJImanqt2: what version of kde?
01:33.59benJImanqt2: that bug was supposedly fixed in 3.4
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01:34.39qt2woah... i think i'm loaded into the wrong version of kde...
01:34.39qt2brb.
01:34.46thiagoAlethes: I saw one line only:
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01:35.07Alethesheh
01:35.09Alethesbitchx?
01:35.19Alethescanllaith: you back yet? :P
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01:36.01canllaithyeah
01:36.06canllaithWhat is bitchx ?
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01:36.11Alethescanllaith: where'd you get that background in that screenie?
01:36.25Alethes[21:34:47] <thiago> 22:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ChristopherCook, wsjunior, rickyw, dwango, w1gg3r, oggb4mp3, qt2, sema4, madpenguin8_, Ahmuck (+34 more)  <--this looks like bitchx
01:36.29mcquaidhello, when i save something, in say kedit, i notice the check box 'automatically select filename extension' is greyed out
01:36.32mcquaidhow do i enable that?
01:36.34canllaithAlethes: stolen from an apple mac, there is a big stack of green ones. Want me to upload? :)
01:36.41Alethescanllaith: please? :D
01:36.44canllaithmoment
01:36.53Alethesthat bg looks perfect with this color scheme
01:37.18Alethescanllaith: although, I should probably do something original when I get around to doing a full-blown Terra theme
01:37.44qt2hm, i'm in kde 3.4 o.o;
01:37.50qt2so.. i dunno... o.O
01:38.01benJImanprobably also up to the automounting system in your distro
01:38.08benJImanI can browse my cd, and eject it while viewing the directory
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01:38.49qt2i'm using gentoo, i just used create new > icon > link to device...
01:38.57unomequestion: when I click Administrator Mode on Kcontrol (any function that has it) it brings me back to the Kcontrol main page/screen. Is this
01:39.11unomea bug?
01:39.19qt2if i kill the konqueror, it unmounts fine.
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01:40.06thiagoAlethes: irssi
01:40.13Alethesthiago: ah cool
01:40.17canllaithuploading now
01:40.23canllaithand yeah, I'm using irssi :)
01:40.37Alethescanllaith: thank ya
01:40.38qt2heh, is there a way to change the default file manager then?
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01:41.20canllaithhttp://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/wallpapers.tar.bz2 Alethes
01:41.30benJImanqt2: perhaps ask in #gentoo
01:41.44benJImanit works in other distros
01:41.55User_Xsome apps dont run with this erro: undefined symbol: XextFindDisplay, any help
01:42.17Alethescanllaith: grabbing it :)
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01:42.33User_Xcanllaith: hi
01:42.37canllaithhi User_X
01:42.54qt2hm, just to double check, whats the easiest way to find out the version of the current running kde instance?
01:43.14User_Xcanllaith: can u give me a hand on this?
01:43.28canllaithNot right now
01:43.31User_X:(
01:43.33benJImankcontrol will tell you qt2, or help -> about on any kde app
01:44.25qt2yep, running 3.4.1... :o
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02:03.24Alethescanllaith: holy crap these bgs rock
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02:04.33User_Xcanllaith: my fonts are too big, how can i do to put then ok?
02:04.38canllaithAlethes: :) they are all stolen from my iMac
02:04.42Aletheshehe
02:04.53Alethesapple has a way of making things look really good ;)
02:06.02User_Xno ones knows?
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02:09.19benJImanUser_X: kde control center -> appearance and themes -> fonts
02:13.05Alethescanllaith: got any blue ones that would go with the color scheme?
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02:25.52canllaithAlethes: prolly, moment
02:25.58Alethesno rush
02:26.02Alethesjust wanna see whatelse there is
02:29.39canllaithAlethes: a few blue, and also I've just picked two yellow and one red ones that I think go really well with what you've got
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02:29.47Alethescool
02:29.48canllaiththe yellow ones are rather close to the nuvola folder icon yellow
02:29.55Alethesnifty
02:31.01AlethesI'm not opposed to colorful as long as it's not gaudy
02:32.20canllaithhttp://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/walls-blue-yellow.tar.bz2
02:32.49Alethesthanks :)
02:32.59Aletheshey wait a sec
02:33.09Alethesyou do excellent photographs
02:33.13Alethescan you make me something unique for this color scheme? :D
02:36.10canllaithI probably already have something in my ~4GB of nature photographs :P
02:36.15canllaithI'll take a look.
02:36.23dwangohmm
02:36.25Alethes:D
02:36.38dwangoare there any "underground" QT bindings for SWT/Eclipse?
02:37.18rr72google is ur friend
02:42.03mobtekhehe man I love media:/
02:42.25mobtekkonsole is getting a lot less usage these days heheh
02:42.33rr72no
02:42.48dwangohaha.
02:43.40dwangowhen you said that I thought you were sarcastically saying you loved the news media in combination with a melancholy face
02:44.29Aletheshaha
02:50.40mobtekhahah dwango
02:51.52Alethescanllaith: all of these are sharp
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02:52.01Alethesit's hard to pick one heh
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02:52.09AlethesI guess that's what the slideshow option is for :)
02:52.28galo_2099Hi, people
02:52.45galo_2099Is this the best channel to ask about developer questions in KDE?
02:55.57thiagono
02:56.01thiagothat would be #kde-devel
02:56.43galo_2099Ok, thanks! Are you Brazilian?
02:57.43thiagoI am
02:57.52galo_2099So do i
02:58.15thiagogreat
02:58.26thiagowhere from?
02:58.30galo_2099BH
02:58.38thiagonice
02:58.46thiagothe ark maintainer lives in BH
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03:06.02User_Xthiago:
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03:07.05jorgp2anyone know of any better looking or thunderbird looking icon replacements for kmail 3.4.1?
03:07.20User_Xthiago: i want to explain u how to reproduce the bug
03:07.25thiagobetter looking than what icon theme?
03:07.28thiagocrystal?
03:07.40jorgp2the default one
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03:08.43User_Xthiago: so u dont want to listen
03:08.55tsdhI have a device icon for my USB mass storage device on my desktop. The device and mount point are not in my /etc/fstab, so it seems udev, hotplug, hal or whatsoever do some magic to mount this device. Can I influence which mount options are used to mount this device?
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03:09.22prplmnkydwHi, dumb question for someone... I have KDE 2.2.2 on debian 3.0.1 (I think), and I cant seen to fiugre out how to change the screen resolution inside KDE... It is stuck on 640x480, which is bad
03:09.24jorgp2thiago: yes crystal
03:09.39thiagotsdh: yes
03:09.44jorgp2the reply, forward, trash are ugly
03:09.49thiagotsdh: with udev, hotplug, hal or whatsoever :)
03:10.03thiagoprplmnkydw: that is an X configuration, in fact
03:10.17thiagoprplmnkydw: you need to run an X configurator program, or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config
03:10.18luciferociao
03:10.20User_Xthiago: so dont reply again to the report bugs i do cause ill not answer yoou again
03:10.40tsdhthiago: Oh, great! ;-)
03:10.47prplmnkydwthiago--- that is what i thought, and i reran it (xconfig), but it still comes up in 640x480
03:11.20prplmnkydwbut there is definitely no changing the resolution inside KDE?
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03:13.57thiagoprplmnkydw: maybe your card wasn't detected as an SVGA one
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03:14.11kendhomeprplmnkydw: KDE can only do as much as X11 lets it :)
03:14.29tmortonDoes KDE support looking in $HOME/.icons for icons for .desktop files?
03:15.17thiagotmorton: .desktop files in $HOME/.icons?
03:15.24thiagotmorton: no
03:15.43tmortonthiago, No, icon files for .desktop files
03:15.47prplmnkydwok, so attack the problem from the x11 side.... thanks all!
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03:15.59tmorton.desktop files go into $HOME/.local/share/applications :)
03:16.01thiagotmorton: there's no such thing
03:16.05tmortonFDO spec
03:16.16thiagoicons go to $KDEDIRS:$KDEHOME/share/icons
03:17.16tmortonthiago, Thanks :)
03:17.38jorgp2I want to replace the icons for kmail, with thunderbird looking icons
03:17.47thiagotmorton: kde-config --path icon
03:18.29thiagojorgp2: just place them in ~/.kde/share/icons with files of the same name
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03:20.18jorgp2I need to find some replacements first
03:20.32rr72a could realy use some help on my debian box
03:25.48sloewhat is the -m option for artsdsp?
03:27.10rr72man
03:27.11rr72or google
03:28.03tmortonsole: -m --mmap
03:28.03tmorton<PROTECTED>
03:28.11tmortonhttp://www.arts-project.org/doc/handbook/artsdsp.html
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03:56.20azazellohow do I make arts share /dev/dsp with others?
03:56.41azazellowhen I run legacy programs like snes9x I can't use the sound unless I turn off arts
03:56.55jorgp2anyone know of a playlist printing app for k3b or amarok?
03:57.07rr72yes
03:57.09rr72no
03:57.11rr72nvm
03:57.18tmortonazazello, You can either run them through artsdsp or configure arts to let go of /dev/dsp after 1 second
03:57.43azazellotmorton: where's artsdsp?
03:57.52azazelloin /dev?
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04:00.08azazellook thanks
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04:05.01tmortonazazello, $KDEPREFIX/bin/artsdsp
04:06.35aseigo`kde-config --prefix`/bin/artdsp  =)
04:07.42rr72mplayer ~/porn/black.mpg
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04:10.33Aletheswrong window, rr72? :)
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04:10.45rr72finally a reply
04:10.54rr72wow a whole 3 mins
04:10.56rr72no
04:11.03rr72don't have a porn folder
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04:26.27mobtekrr72: now we know you are lying :P
04:26.33mankind_tweezerhahaha
04:26.40rr72i don't have a porn file
04:26.48rr72locate: warning: database `/var/lib/locatedb' is more than 8 days old
04:26.56mankind_tweezermaybe it's all porn... no need for a folder
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04:27.20User_Xrr72: ur a man?
04:27.55User_Xmankind_tweezer: if hes a man, what the prob of having 1 2 orn files
04:28.10User_Xeven if is a woamn
04:28.58mankind_tweezernobody said there's a problem
04:31.17rr72locate: warning: database `/var/lib/locatedb' is more than 8 days old
04:31.56thiagorr72: updatedb
04:32.01rr72i did
04:32.09rr72i exicute and nothing
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05:01.06supernixHi what is the name of the dictionary program for KDE ?
05:01.46grepperkdict
05:01.57supernixThanks grepper
05:02.12grepperjust a wild guess :P
05:02.50supernixLOL
05:03.07supernixWell it is not in the list for Kubuntu so I am still lost
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05:04.24greppersupernix: its in kdenetwork
05:04.50grepperI'd be suprised if kubuntu didn't split the package like debian does
05:05.30supernixYeah that is what Kubuntu is for sure Debian
05:05.47grepperlook again
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05:07.24grepperhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/kde/kdenetwork
05:07.28VoXwhen using k3b. the program detects my pioneer dvr-109 has a cd burn speed of 40x, but when i go to burn, it will only burn at 4x. what could be causing this issue?
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05:19.28CavalierBobVoX: No answer, but I've seen the exact same problem here: http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=12377
05:20.07CavalierBobFiled that bug on Graveman
05:22.37VoXyeah, that's the one
05:22.47VoXaltho burnfree is activated on mine
05:25.21VoXso is it something with the burner, or with k3b, or the libs, or..?
05:27.15CavalierBobDon't think its K3B since Graveman has done the same thing. Guess it would be something with the libs. brb, checking if I still have the debug logs.
05:28.33VoXokie
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05:31.46systemofadownhello
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05:32.15rr72hi
05:32.44systemofadownhow can remove old kcontrol modules?
05:32.55rr72don't know
05:36.59CavalierBobVoX: Yeah, I've still got the log for Graveman. I still can't see why it does so, but this is the line where the 4X speed appears to be set: graveman:10759): DEBUG: ===>o 705 KB/s, Starting to write CD/DVD at speed   4.0 in real SAO mode for single session
05:37.39VoXanyone got a so what if i tell it to use a different mode?
05:37.44VoXgah
05:37.48VoXso what if i tell it to use a different mode?
05:38.50VoXnup, even that doesnt change it
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05:39.40unomehello
05:41.45CavalierBobVoX: what is also odd is that NEROLinux will burn at 40x on the DVR-109. That's why I think it's a problem with one of the libs.
05:41.59VoXhmm
05:42.10CavalierBobcdrecord is my guess
05:43.49VoXrighto
05:43.55unomeany konsole users, how do you scroll the screen?
05:44.08rr72scroller
05:44.10rr72;)
05:44.15rr72or scrollbar
05:44.55unomethe I dont use the bar, is there a way to make it like gnome-console (scroll with mouse's third bt)?
05:46.42rr72works for me
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05:47.19swimwhat are these themes? http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=25668&file1=25668-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Crystal+Clear
05:47.37unomein gnome-console there's an option for scroller, in konsole there's none.
05:48.47rr72u want it off?
05:48.54unomeswim: if you find out .. let me know.
05:48.58rr72im not very good with tha tstuff
05:49.13unomerr72: thx for your help.
05:49.20rr72i tried
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05:50.45swimnice huh? :)
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05:52.08unomeswim: yep, installing his suite.
05:52.32unomeswim: http://linuxcult.com/forum/crystal.php
06:00.46derekkitehttp://commit-digest.org/?issue=jul82005
06:02.02rr72night canllaith
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06:06.18canllaithgday derekkite :)
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06:48.39aseigoCondorDes: he =)
06:48.41aseigoer, hey
06:48.59CondorDesaseigo: What's up?
06:49.11aseigooh god... does an extra 256MB of RAM make a world of difference for compiling and working on other stuff at the same time on this laptop. DAMN!
06:49.19CondorDesheheh
06:49.29CondorDesHow much do you have now?
06:49.35aseigoit was painful to compile and do anything. now it's swift. yay!
06:49.37aseigo512
06:49.44CondorDes:)
06:49.49aseigoenough to keep it well out of swap
06:49.56CondorDesCoolness
06:50.13CondorDesAlthough mine has 512 and it still swaps more than I think it should :(
06:50.22aseigowhich was the problem because, like most laptop HD's, this one is as fast as a snail
06:50.28CondorDesYeah
06:50.46aseigofeck .. what are you doing to go into swap w/512?
06:50.55CondorDesI have no idea
06:50.58aseigoheh
06:51.01aseigogood answer ;)
06:51.03aseigowhat OS?
06:51.13CondorDesGentoo, 2.6
06:51.25CondorDesRunning kdesvn
06:51.28aseigohrm. crazy. what apps do you generally use?
06:51.46CondorDesxchat, gaim, akregator, konqueror and konsole ... sometimes gvim and kpdf
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06:52.32CondorDesI have /tmp in tmpfs, but that's usually only like 1-2M
06:53.33CondorDesaseigo: Oh, yeah ... speaking of kdesvn, I noticed that KickerTip uses the button background color instead of the window background color. Was that by design, or by something else? ;)
06:54.03CondorDes(The reason I ask is it looks ugly (and the text is hard to read) with some of my weirder colorschemes)
06:54.19aseigoit was encourage people to not use weird colour schemes ;)
06:54.26CondorDeshah
06:54.55CondorDesI ended up tweaking KickerTip in my build so it doesn't do that anymore ;)
06:55.17CondorDes(it was a one-liner, I think)
06:55.50aseigohrm ...
06:56.03aseigobufferPainter.setBrush(backgroundColor());
06:56.35aseigocan you take a look for me to see what you replace backgroundColor() with?
06:56.53CondorDesI actually did a setBackgroundColor() in the constructor
06:57.08CondorDeserm, setPaletteBackgroundColor()
06:57.34CondorDesRight after setBackgroundMode() -- setPaletteBackgroundColor(colorGroup().background());
06:58.05aseigoah.. yes, that would do it
06:58.41aseigodo you have an svn account?
06:58.45CondorDesI don't
06:59.08CondorDes(even if I did, I wouldn't have time for more than the occasional one-liner :-/)
06:59.24aseigook.. what name can i use in the commit log for a thank-you?
06:59.43CondorDesJosh Berry, or CondorDes, either way
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07:00.18aseigoCondorDes: which would you prefer?
07:00.30CondorDesaseigo: Josh Berry is fine
07:00.38CondorDesDo you need an email address too?
07:01.01aseigodepends on whether or not you want to be CC'd on the commmit =)
07:01.17CondorDesah, in that case, condor-dev@condordes.net :)
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07:06.12User_Xplease some help
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07:07.23aseigoUser_X: for what?
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07:07.37User_Xaseigo: im getting crazy
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07:08.10User_Xalways i run ksysguard i get this error: ksysguardd: symbol lookup error: ksysguardd: undefined symbol: XextFindDisplay
07:08.24User_Xbut i have xxorg, qt3 all needed to build kde
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07:08.36User_Xand in the other builds never happened this
07:08.42aseigoUser_X: compiled against the wrong version of libXext
07:08.54User_Xmeanin?
07:09.05aseigoUser_X: you updated your X11, or at least libXext and didn't recompile ksysguard
07:09.30User_Xyes i did
07:09.35User_Xi just recompiled it
07:09.42User_Xand same prob
07:10.25athlonHello guys, how do I configure kde to bind the win key to "Popup Launch Menu" (it wont accept just one key)  ?
07:10.52aseigoUser_X: do you have two copies of libXext around? or a mismatch between the installed X headers and the X you are using?
07:11.15aseigoathlon: you have to make the win key not a modifier key in your X11 config
07:11.18CondorDesMay also want to try recompiling Qt if X has been upgraded since it was installed.
07:11.38athlonaseigo, I see, thanks
07:11.48athlonalso, how do I bind my multimedia keys to turn volume up and down ? Ive changed the keyboard layout to the appropriate device
07:13.07aseigodepending on the keyboard, you may need to use klineak. otherwise, you can try khotkeys ...
07:13.09CondorDesaseigo: Just saw your commit. Thanks for pushing the fix in. :)
07:13.27aseigoCondorDes: np. a better kicker is a good thing.
07:13.48User_Xaseigo: can u be more sepecific?
07:13.50aseigoi'm dealing with one like that right now and god does it piss me off
07:14.12CondorDesmeh. I can understand the feeling.
07:14.35aseigoUser_X: ok.. there are one of a few things happening here.. either you have more than one copy of X11 around and ksysguard is compiling against the wrong one, or you have a mismatch between the X11 development headers and the X11 binaries you have installed
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07:14.45aseigo(not a kde project, btw =)
07:15.04User_Xi only have one xorg
07:15.07CondorDesUser_X / aseigo: Or ... Qt uses libXext, so it may be Qt that needs to be recompiled.
07:15.12aseigoUser_X: do this for me... ldd `which ksysguard` | grep Xext
07:15.33User_XlibXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0xb6d29000)
07:15.47aseigoCondorDes: hrm. possible but doubtful. if Qt had unresolved symbols then nothing would work very well =)
07:15.57CondorDeshmmm. That's true.
07:16.18CyberSpyhmm I surprised there is no project that is actively trying to make it's way into KDE to easily mapout multimedia keyboards to use those extra buttons.
07:16.27aseigoheh. my laptop started beeping loudly at me and i was like "wtf?"
07:16.39aseigothen the little msg box pops up: LOW BATTERY WARNING! oops
07:16.44User_Xaseigo: libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0xb6d29000)
07:16.47CondorDesheheh
07:17.47aseigoUser_X: ok ... so now do this: nm /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 | grep XextFindDisplay
07:18.05User_Xnm: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6: no symbols
07:18.10aseigohahahaa
07:18.18aseigodid you perchance strip your X libraries?
07:18.36User_Xstrip
07:18.38aseigo"wow! look how much space i save by running strip(1) on the libs"
07:18.38User_X?
07:18.50aseigook.. do this for me:
07:18.58aseigols -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6
07:19.19User_Xlrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 14 Jul  9 02:57 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 -> libXext.so.6.4*
07:19.19aseigo(btw, the "no symbols" error is bad)
07:19.20User_Xlrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 14 Jul  9 02:57 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 -> libXext.so.6.4*
07:19.31aseigoand do you have a libXext.so.6.4?
07:19.50aseigodo i win?
07:20.26User_X]#  ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so*
07:20.26User_Xlrwxrwxrwx  1 root root    14 Jul  9 02:58 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so -> libXext.so.6.4*
07:20.26User_Xlrwxrwxrwx  1 root root    14 Jul  9 02:57 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 -> libXext.so.6.4*
07:20.26User_X-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 55892 Mai  2 13:35 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.4*
07:20.51aseigohrm.. ok..
07:21.03aseigonm /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.4 | grep XextFindDisplay
07:21.16User_Xnm: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.4: no symbols
07:21.25aseigoheh. ok.. so your libXext is just fucked up. fine.
07:21.31aseigoyou need to reinstall it
07:21.37aseigowhat OS is this?
07:22.26User_Xhey
07:22.30User_Xi did reinstalled
07:22.36User_Xdid make a fresh instal
07:22.41aseigoof libXext?
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07:22.48aseigoand .... what OS is this?
07:22.52User_Xmandrake
07:22.55User_Xthat is xorg
07:23.20aseigowow. crazy. way to go mdk. are you tracking cooker or something?
07:23.22User_XlibXext is xorg
07:23.28User_Xno
07:23.34aseigoor did you install a X rpms from somewhere else ...?
07:23.36User_Xofficial
07:23.43aseigobecause your libXext should have symbols =)
07:24.00aseigowhat does this give you: rpm -qf /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.4
07:24.05User_Xi just redownload xorg
07:24.12User_Xand installed and its the same
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07:24.23User_Xlibxorg-x11-6.8.2-7.1.102mdk
07:24.31aseigook.. you have that rpm on disc?
07:24.36User_Xyes
07:24.48aseigoif so... rpm -ivh --force libxorg-x11-6.8.2-7.1.102mdk<whateverelse>
07:26.17User_Xdone
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07:34.04User_Xaseigo: ?
07:34.14aseigonow do the nm again
07:34.22User_Xsame thing
07:34.25User_Xno symbols
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07:35.11aseigothat's very unright.
07:35.25aseigohrm. perhaps go ask in #mandrake or #mandriva or whatever it is these days +)
07:35.40User_X:(
07:35.54Alkis71I am on Mandriva...may I help?
07:36.18aseigoAlkis71: what do you get for: nm /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.4 | grep XextFindDisplay
07:36.22User_Xyes see if that file haves symbols
07:36.49User_Xu use cooker or official and what version?
07:37.01Alkis71[alex@ibm src]$ nm /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.4 | grep XextFindDisplay
07:37.01Alkis71nm: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.4: no symbols
07:37.20aseigowow. that's.. ... interesting
07:37.30Alkis71what should we get?
07:37.50aseigosth like:
07:37.54aseigo000027d0 T XextFindDisplay
07:38.22Alkis71and this function (I assume) is used in what way? (i.e. anything usefull?)
07:38.31aseigoksysgaurd, for one
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07:38.47User_Xaseigo: but always used this function ksysguard?
07:38.49aseigoit also has the DPMS stuff in it
07:39.21aseigoXShape, XShm, XSync and XTest
07:39.37User_Xaseigo: but always used this function ksysguard?
07:40.10Alkis71ksysguard? You mean it gives a new sensor or something?
07:40.55aseigoUser_X: duno .. i don't seem to see a call to it in ksysguard.. but something it's linking to obviously does
07:41.35User_Xgod
07:41.39User_Xim getting crazy
07:42.00Alkis71User_X: You can't run ksysguard?
07:42.05User_Xno
07:42.09Alkis71I can
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07:42.27Alkis71but I have kde3.4.1 bult with Kontruct
07:42.30User_Xbut im using a new kde built from branch_3.4
07:42.37Alkis71ahhh
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07:43.33Alkis71maybe there is a newer xorg version in cooker? Have you checked?
07:44.17User_Xthats cooker
07:44.37User_Xi have to find if is realted to Mesa
07:44.41User_Xrelated
07:45.00User_Xim building a new mesa version checked now from cvs
07:45.19User_Xbut mandrake is using an old Mesa
07:45.24User_Xi thing is Mesa-5
07:45.29Alkis71I see
07:45.35User_Xi use Mesa-6.3
07:46.30Alkis715.0.2 is on my cooker box
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07:47.10Alkis71has anyone else problems signing on msn with kopete or is it just me?
07:47.27aseigoAlkis71: what version of kopete?
07:47.32Alkis71svn
07:47.42Alkis71checkout today
07:47.53aseigohrm.. brb and i'll tell you =)
07:48.01Alkis71okie :-) Thanks
07:48.09canllaithyeah, I'm having problems too
07:48.16Alkis71canllaith: Ah ok :-)
07:48.16canllaithkopete checkout from 2 weeks ago
07:48.21canllaithI think it's the msn server
07:49.05Alkis71so does the error messagebox suggests...
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08:18.07oneforallhm there a problem with kopete and msn agian ?
08:18.45Alkis71yeap
08:19.11Alkis71or maybe with just msn servers
08:19.15oneforallugh was hoping it was just them down
08:19.36oneforallyeah its a server message darn hang on will go see what it said again
08:19.55Alkis71internal server error please try again later
08:20.13Alkis71hmm, lemme check gaim
08:20.35vIkSiTactually, its the MSN service itself
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08:21.47Alkis71gaim doesn't sign on either
08:21.52oneforallinternal server error try later
08:22.11oneforallyeah my kid just said gaim didn't work either
08:22.32oneforallso msn I guess is just down :)
08:22.53Alkis71http://messenger.msn.com/Status.aspx
08:24.53Alkis71now that link would be nice to have on "Internal server" error messagebox from kopete, huh?
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08:32.24OldakQuillI have Debian distro and am trying to open a .jar file but it opens as an archive
08:32.39Frost^java -jar jarfile
08:32.57Frost^or you want KDE to automatically do that for you?
08:34.13OldakQuillAuto
08:34.54oneforallad it to the menus with  java -jar /path/to/it/jarfile
08:35.37OldakQuillAnyone know what Java's apt-get is?
08:35.58oneforallnope I don't have apt-get sorry
08:36.14HenkPoleyYou mean like apt-get blackdown-jvm ?
08:36.20HenkPoleyOr something?
08:37.13oneforallait that jre
08:37.32oneforallthink he just means java package
08:37.48OldakQuillapt-get install xxx
08:37.51HenkPoleyI don't have a debian system ready to check. You could use google
08:37.57HenkPoleyhttp://www.google.nl/search?q=apt-get+java
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08:50.28candybanHi guys ...
08:50.43candybanIs there a timeline when KDE 4 will be out (and a feature set)
08:51.19pinotreeno
08:51.52candybank. Thanks ... I suppose that was no to either
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09:04.42funkyhi
09:05.07funkyis there any shortcut to point the cursor in the search engine field ? as firefox does with ctrl + k
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09:06.44unomeguys, any way to use mouse scroller in konsole, to move up and down?
09:06.59unomeI can't read my logs
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09:11.31benJImanunome: the scroll wheel will move up and down
09:12.01unomenot working here and I hate to use gnome-terminal
09:12.37benJImanis the scroll wheel working in other apps?
09:12.42unomenot even the side bar works
09:12.48unomeyes, ofcourse
09:12.53benJImanmost odd
09:13.20unomein gnome-terminal there's an option for scrolling, in konsole there's none
09:16.51aseigoturn on history
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09:17.01aseigoSettings -> History
09:17.33unomeI deleted my profile too, let's see
09:18.15unomenothing :(
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09:18.42aseigounome: have you turned on History?!
09:18.59unomeI set it to unlimited
09:20.13aseigoand the scroll shows no scroll back available?
09:20.46aseigoscrollbar, that is
09:21.13unomethe mouse in non functional in konsole. Yes the scroll bar does not move
09:22.12aseigodoes the scroll bar show any scroll back possible? e.g. if you use the scroll bar arrows can you scroll?
09:22.41unomenop
09:22.52candybanpinotree: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-4.0-features.html
09:23.02aseigook, so it has nothing to do with your scroll mouse .. it would be the fact that it isn't storing history.
09:23.12unomeyes
09:23.29pinotreecandyban: it's only a proof
09:24.03pinotreeaseigo: the page indicated by candyban is only a proof, isn't it?
09:24.40aseigoyes, that page it pretty much meaningless at this point
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09:26.49candybank ... so I'll just have to be more patient to know when I can see cairo in action?
09:28.56aseigoassuming there's a cairo backend for arthur in kde4
09:29.20unomeanyone knows how to make history works in konsole, please?
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09:35.13FlendorHallo.
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09:56.55Solakhmm, would KDevelop be a suitable ide for (simple) C projects?
09:57.56SolakI use Kate now for most of the projects.
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09:59.03spiralSolak: yeah, you can...
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10:07.45Solakhmm, perhaps I should give it a try...
10:07.56ElectronicsI was wondering, is there a channel for KMyMoney?
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10:22.25benJImananyone know how kcmshell "finds" its installed modules?
10:23.17benJImankcmshell kamera for example works fine, but kcmshell kcmgtk says it can't find it, the .la and .so files are in /opt/kde3/lib just like all the other modules
10:24.24pinotreebenJIman: iirc .la and .so files are only for development
10:25.09benJImanthey're libraries
10:25.23benJImanpresumably there's somewhere else important as well
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10:42.34jasamhi, I can't see wiki.kde.org , is it working?
10:42.58tbscopejasam, it works here
10:43.36jasamI see references everywhere, but for me does not work :(
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10:48.11jasamI try to change browser, and nothing
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10:50.38jasam:(
10:52.26jasamIf someone has any ideas, a posible reason, a place to search, please tell me
10:53.35tbscopejasam, can you open any other site?
10:54.03jasamyes
10:57.53jasamwell, I see wiki.kde.org for the first time now
10:58.06jasamI'm using a proxy
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11:03.06jasambut this is annoying, tbscope thank you very much, I will send an email to webmaster@wiki.kde.org
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11:37.06Solakon the kdevelop site there was a screenshot which appears to be the editor with some sort of transparent mode / background image, but I can't find the settings... :/
11:37.24Solakany idea where I could find it?
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11:55.24exposehi
11:55.43StevenRlo
11:56.30expose"Open a Theme from your Hard Drive." <-- isnt that wrong? shouldnt it be "Open a theme from your hard drive." so, with 3 capital letters less?
11:56.52StevenR?
11:56.58expose(looks like a mistake typically done by germans when learning english or so...)
11:57.01StevenRprobably
11:57.40exposeit's taken from superkaramba, there're quite a few similar sentences which seem to contain too much captial letters :-)
11:57.51exposeokay then. checking for bugreports
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11:59.31StevenRexpose: it doesn't look good, if it's a title then it probably is acceptable, but doesn't look like one
12:00.11litbi can't see any text on a svg if i set one as background. does anyone know what could be wrong?
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12:00.43litbfor example that: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=24172
12:01.16litband that: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=24173
12:01.35exposeStevenR: hmm. I
12:01.39litbthese pictures look dirreennt. neither transparents nor texts...
12:01.58exposeStevenR: hmm. I'm not quite sure how one should handle such cases...
12:02.10StevenRexpose: what do you mean?
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12:02.55expose(since it is a full sentence, and the actual title is "Open..." so it is just a subtitle which explains the function.)
12:03.33StevenRexpose: then you are correct i think...if you had a screenshot then it would make it easier to understand
12:03.49exposeokay, wait a second.
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12:06.02exposeStevenR: can i send it to you via dcc? (might not work due to my misconfiguration :-)
12:07.04StevenRseems to be working over dcc
12:07.15exposeyes...nice :-)
12:08.07exposeStevenR: "SuperKaramba Help Site" is okay, since it is some kind of a special name, but not "Theme" and "Hard Drive", you see?
12:09.09StevenRexpose: yeah, i would make it not caps, like you think it should be...but it's not really a clear cut decision here
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12:10.26exposehm, i'll just note the devs and let them decide then...that's it.
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12:20.15osohhi all
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12:21.04litbis there a tool to capture a video from my desktop?
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12:22.43alesanhi
12:23.46alesangentoo with kde-3.4.1: I cannot login as root. I cannot access the root functions nor in kontrol nor in a konsole using "su". I can login on a text console anyway
12:24.03alesanwhat's the matter with root? why can't I login?
12:25.17exposealesan: so, you cannot "su" but you can login as root directly?
12:25.34alesanexpose, on a *text* console (outside X) yes,m I can login
12:25.41exposeif so, make sure your user is in the group "wheel"
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12:26.21expose(check it via "id", change it via "usermod"
12:26.42exposehelp can be found via "man <tool>" as usual
12:27.10alesanok I've edited /etc/group directly with vi
12:27.15alesannow I can "su"
12:27.29alesanhow do I enable root-login on kdm now?
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12:28.34shastryhi all
12:28.41shastryhow do i enable smooth scrolling in kde ?
12:28.44exposelogin as a user, open kcontrol --> "system" --> login/session manager (or similar, i've translate it to english)
12:29.23alesanI'm there
12:29.27alesanbut I can't find it!
12:29.32alesanI mean
12:29.37alesanI can't find how to enable root
12:30.02exposealesan: then press the "superuser mode" button at the bottom to be able to change settings
12:30.08alesanof course
12:30.14alesanI'm there
12:30.24exposeoh, ahm. wait a second then.
12:30.27alesanI use kde since 0.9 ;)
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12:31.24exposealesan: unchecked "root" in the "user" dialog?
12:31.37expose0.9? wow :-) i do so since 3.?
12:31.54shastrysmooth scrolling -- anyone ??
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12:32.05alesanexpose :)
12:32.12exposeshastry: which application? all of kde?
12:32.17shastryall of kde
12:32.29alesan"Select users and gorups:" there is NO user selected. root is unselected
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12:35.57std0uthello, is there any tool to look at the communication beetwen the httpd and konqueror ?
12:36.08std0uti know there is sth like this for mozzila though..
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12:36.23Batchyany sniffer program
12:36.29exposealesan: well - does it work to enter "root" in the user field manually, so by not-using the user list that kdm is able to provide? if so, add it to this list...
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12:36.44Batchylike ethereal
12:36.46shastryno one knows abt smooth scroll ???
12:36.58alesanexpose, root was not in the list at kdm prompt
12:37.06alesannow I will try to logout and see again...
12:37.17exposealesan: can you login by entering it manually?
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12:37.35exposealesan: so, just type "root" rather than click it in the list
12:37.39benJImanshastry: what do you mean by smooth scroll? it is smooth, or do you mean scroll with "momentum" like kopete does?
12:39.12alesanwait
12:39.39shastrybenJIman: just smooth is sufficient
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12:39.52shastry(like firefox does)
12:39.53benJImanshastry: what's not smooth about it?
12:40.27benJImankonqueror scrolls in exactly the same way as firefox here
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12:41.08floyd_n_milanhow does one restart artsd?
12:41.13shastrybenJIman: do u have smoothscroll enabled in fitefox ?
12:41.19floyd_n_milanit gets messed up when i start jack
12:41.20benJImandunno, don't use it
12:41.23benJIman(firefox)
12:41.41shastrybenJIman: smooth scroll means.. we can see the text move up or down
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12:41.53shastryin kde it just 3 lines disapear when scrolling
12:42.19Batchy[14:59:08] <floyd_n_milan> how does one restart artsd? <-- for me i kill all artsd process then i start some configuration tool, it say 'Artsd had to restart', then it's OK
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12:42.27canllaithoh dear
12:42.35canllaithyou restart artsd by using artsshell terminate/artsshell start
12:42.43canllaithunless there is a restart, which I don't recall. There might be :)
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12:43.07exposebenJIman: no. check firefox --> edit --> preferences --> advanced --> browsing --> use smooth scrolling and scroll again
12:43.07floyd_n_milanmeh
12:43.10exposeit's not the same.
12:43.13floyd_n_milanunable to connect to sound server!
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12:43.33exposeshastry: maybe kde just doesnt provide that.
12:43.48exposefloyd_n_milan: very precise. dont expect any answers please.
12:43.58benJImanexpose: it's allready checked
12:43.59shastryexpose: ok :/
12:44.06floyd_n_milanah good, sound's working again
12:44.14floyd_n_milannow i won't need any answers :P
12:44.29benJImanshastry: you may mean the sort of think kopete does with its contact list scrolling
12:44.34exposeshastry: i'm just sure about that of course - i just couldnt find it either.
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12:44.43shastryexpose: aight
12:44.58shastrybenJIman: thats uber eyecandy.. i'm asking for "simple" smooth scrolling
12:45.30benJImanshastry: I still don't understand what it is
12:45.38exposebenJIman: when you scroll with a mouse wheel it doesnt "jump" up three lines, but it goes up there pixel by pixel....the smooth way. just as openoffice can do too
12:45.48shastrybenJIman: open kwrite , type some 10 lines of text
12:46.09shastryand when u scroll, u just see the line disappear
12:46.10exposebenJIman: use a mouse wheel, and de/reenable it to see the difference...
12:46.15floyd_n_milanany way to make kde use something other than arts?
12:46.20floyd_n_milangstreamer maybe?
12:46.26shastryin smoothscroll, u feel as if the text moved up and disappeared
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12:47.38exposefloyd_n_milan: be more precise. amarok can use lots of different output methods, but "kde" is not a single application...
12:48.01floyd_n_milanhmmm
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12:48.08floyd_n_milanim using gstreamer with amarok
12:48.13benJImanarts is quite different to gstreamer
12:48.24floyd_n_milanby kde i mean all these system sounds need arts
12:48.38benJImanyou can get them to play with another player under player options
12:48.43canllaithActually, you can use an external player as well
12:48.48canllaithheh, as he said
12:48.59brucehoultoh wow
12:49.02brucehoultoh wow oh wow
12:49.08brucehoulthttp://groups-beta.google.com/group/nz.comp/browse_thread/thread/41d8f2caf4ffae29/81aa019b1b0d05d4
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12:54.03exposefloyd_n_milan: no. they dont. kcontrol --> sound & multimedia --> sound notices/messages --> playback options (right-bottom corner) and change it
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12:54.42exposeyou can use "external application" and enter "play" (from the sox package) for example which will enable you to use virtually any playback method.
12:54.44floyd_n_milani looked in Sound System
12:54.53exposeno, dont do so :-)
12:54.59floyd_n_milanhmmm
12:55.11floyd_n_milani think im getting confused by all these sound servers
12:55.21exposeits quite simple actually.
12:55.35alesanexpose, it was enought to edit /usr/kde/3.4/share/config/kdm/kdmrc and set AllowRootLogin=true
12:55.40floyd_n_milanexplain please?
12:55.46exposehardware <-- oss/alsa <-- esound/arts/gstreamer/...
12:55.51floyd_n_milanah
12:56.12exposewhile your favourite player can use either oss or alsa directly or one of the servers
12:56.32floyd_n_milanand where does dmix come in?
12:56.35exposewith correctly configured alsa the servers get obsolete and unneccessary
12:57.04exposedmix is a "module" for alsa, which is exactly the part making arts and esound etc unneccessary
12:57.31exposesince it does software mixing and so several players can use a single card that only supports one (stereo) channel natively
12:57.39exposenot the difficult, hm?
12:57.44exposes/the/that/
12:58.24floyd_n_milanhmm
12:58.37floyd_n_milanand what exactly would you mean by "correctly configured ALSA"?
12:58.48exposealsa with working dmix :-)
12:59.07exposeor with hardware that doesnt need dmix
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12:59.53exposedmix does a part via the cpu that should be done by the soundcard, but most ac'97-chips for instance dont provide this feature (namely hardware mixing)
13:00.20floyd_n_milanyeah mine doesn't
13:00.29floyd_n_milanas we speak im looking up docs to configure dmix
13:01.04benJImanexpose: I have smooth scrolling in everything in the SuSE kde release, but not my own built version, perhaps it's a patch suse made, or decided to apply
13:01.23exposetake the gentoo docs. they are great, just as always, and edit /etc/asound.conf as it says here: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ALSA_sound_mixer_aka_dmix
13:01.48exposebenJIman: no idea :-) i dont need such stuff anyway
13:01.57benJImanwasn't it you who were asking?
13:02.19benJImanoh no sorry, shastry has left
13:02.28floyd_n_milanyeah i was reading the same thing as I am on Gentoo ;)
13:02.40floyd_n_milanand thanks expose
13:03.10exposefloyd_n_milan: which card do you have exaclty?
13:03.31expose(give me the line of the lspci output maybe)
13:03.58floyd_n_milan0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
13:05.22exposeokay, i have a "VT82C686" instead of "VT8233/A/8235/8237" so try to base your config on this one maybe:
13:05.58exposehttp://rafb.net/paste/results/wSTAyg54.html
13:06.03exposehope that helps
13:06.30Batchy(i have same card :) )
13:06.41exposehehe
13:07.03exposethats my config...i dont have problems with it so far, iirc.
13:08.11floyd_n_milanah thanks
13:08.13floyd_n_milani'll try that
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13:26.06carstenhi Chambers-
13:26.09carstenhi Christin
13:26.22Christinich hab es geschafft!
13:26.31carstenChristin, this channel is english
13:27.00Christinokay: I get it!
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13:48.14systemofadownhow can i delete old kcontrol modules
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13:57.01sauronAnybody having trouble connecting to repositories?
13:58.34StevenRsauron: any particular ones?
13:58.48sauronza.archive.ubuntu.com
13:58.53sauronthing is
13:58.58sauroni can ping them no prob
13:59.02sauronand I browse fine
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13:59.08sauronworked fine when I was on 56k
13:59.14sauronbut suddenly not when on DSL
13:59.18StevenRworks for me
13:59.28StevenRApache/2.1.3 (Ubuntu) Server at archive.ubuntu.com Port 80
13:59.43sauronhmm
14:00.05StevenRsauron: what errors are you getting?
14:00.32sauronErr http://za.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release.gpg
14:00.32sauron<PROTECTED>
14:00.32sauronErr http://za.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release.gpg
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14:01.04saurongonna try the master servers quick
14:01.15StevenRsauron: looks a broken dns entry...1.0.0.0 ?
14:01.24edoardohi gals, hi dudes : )
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14:02.18charolastrahi people
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14:03.15charolastrahas the action of the mouse wheel in the taskbar has changed with 3.4?
14:03.28edoardoi made a bash script to convert audio files from many formats into many formats. it's a nautilus script, designed for gnome, but i've heard it works fine on rox too, and it works as a standalone bash script as well. could anyone of you test it as a konqueror script? i think it would work there, too! then i could update my project page and type it works on konqueror! does anyone want to try it out? it's *really* super cool! here's the link: http:
14:03.28edoardo//freshmeat.net/projects/audio-convert/
14:03.38StevenRcharolastra: what do you mean?
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14:05.30charolastraStevenR: a friend is asking; it used to cycle though windows of the same app. but now it goes through all windows
14:06.00StevenRcharolastra: it would depend on the taskbar settings wrt grouping i think
14:08.22ironfroggycan i get konq to search with google where it would otherwise give a malformed URL error?
14:08.29benJImanedoardo: have you made a context menu option for it? what does it use for inputting tag info? kdialog?
14:08.47systemofadownhow can i delete old kcontrol modules
14:08.57benJImanironfroggy: settings -> configure konqueror -> web shortcuts -> set default search engine
14:09.28edoardobenJIman, it uses zenity : )
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14:10.14charolastraStevenR: here he is hte guy, "FeliWu"
14:10.25FeliWuthanks for introducing :-)
14:10.29FeliWuhello
14:10.32edoardobenJIman, and i dunno what a context menu option is : )
14:10.40edoardohi dude : )
14:11.27FeliWumy problem is in KDE 3.4, that I wanna be able to cycle with my mousewheel through similar tasks as in KDE 3.3, but instead I can only cycle through all tasks
14:12.27FeliWuand this is quite annoying
14:12.48StevenRFeliWu: check you taksbar settings
14:13.15FeliWuyes, I can only cycle through windows by click, not by wheel
14:13.24charolastraStevenR: he did
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14:13.48benJImanedoardo: I meant like these http://kde-apps.org/?xcontentmode=287
14:14.08benJImanedoardo: and if you want to make it kdeified you could use kdialog if it's run from within kde perhaps?
14:14.13stibbyI asked aseigo about icon stacking, and he said to use the "mini launcher". I can't find this anywhere though. Is it an app that needs to be installed?
14:14.25benJImanedoardo: there's allready http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=12608 though
14:15.09PhilRodstibby: right-click on a free area of the panel: add -> applet -> quick launcher, or something like that
14:15.26stibbyoh; is that what it's called
14:15.27stibbythankyou
14:16.15charolastrastibby: it's for your kicker
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14:17.26StevenRcharolastra: sorry, i can't check settings atm, not in kde right now
14:17.46ataxicnext to kdebase & kdelibs what do you guys suggest you have to install and still have a reasonable lightweight kde desktop
14:18.01StevenRarts, qt
14:18.21ataxicthose are dependecies on kdelibs anyway
14:19.02annmaataxic: depends on what you need
14:19.05PhilRoddepends what you need - if you want kmail, you'll need kdepim
14:19.11PhilRodheh, annma - gmta
14:19.16annma:)
14:19.40ataxicwell i want the styles
14:19.41annmaataxic: you might want kdemultimedia
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14:19.47ataxicso i guess i need artwork too
14:19.53annmayes
14:20.15ataxicuhm i'm not sure if i use stuff from multimedia
14:20.16annmakdeaddons also has nice additions like make a html gallery from konq
14:20.25annmaataxic: you don't listent o music?
14:20.51ataxicwith amorok
14:20.55annmaah :)
14:20.59ataxicor however you spell it
14:21.12annmait's speled anmarok
14:21.17ataxic:)
14:21.27annma;)
14:21.43ataxici install kaffeine, kmldonkey k3b and stuff like that
14:21.57annmayes, cool
14:22.05ataxici'm playing with pkgsrc on slackware atm
14:22.11ataxicso far so good
14:22.25ataxicx is up with icewm
14:22.53ataxicwell i usually do too, but i dont wanna sit through hours of compiles of stuff i never use
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14:23.37ataxicannma: pkgsrc is netbsd port stuff on linux if you didn't know
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14:27.04edoardobenJIman, yeah, it's true. there's that already : ) well, i guess it'll stick to gnome and rox and others then : ) thankyou dude! : )
14:27.43annmawhy are some users stupid pricks by doing private to find /m/f?
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14:31.37benJImanpiggz: there's tenor which is planned for kde4 I believe, which should allow a lot more than beagle, there are existing things like http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22135 for searching through files
14:34.57FeliWuIs anyone familiar with the xkb-Stuff in KDE?
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14:35.24FeliWuI want to change some keys in my keyboard layout to type Esperanto signs
14:35.40FeliWubut my changes are somehow overriden
14:35.46PhilRodI expect you might find it just as easy to do it with xmodmap
14:35.52PhilRodoh I see
14:36.15FeliWuI changed the file in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/de
14:36.22FeliWubut it seems to have no effect
14:37.55FeliWuIt seems as if there were additional keys, which are not declared in the de-file
14:38.15FeliWuso additional key funcionalities
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14:39.27FeliWuhow can I find out what keyboard code e.g. Alt-Gr u has?
14:39.37StevenRxev
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14:41.28FeliWuok, and how do I convert this value into <AD***>?
14:41.59FeliWue.g. what is 63 in xkb ?
14:42.07FeliWuor can I just enter 63 there?
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14:45.44FeliWuI thought myself and it worked :-)
14:46.01FeliWuit's countable how the key is named....
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15:00.59systemofadowncan someone help me
15:01.15xanaxit depends on the question
15:01.38systemofadownkcontrol modules
15:02.13xanaxit's not my thing but explain a little more, others could know
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15:03.40systemofadownthere are two listing of one module in kcontol listing, one is left over from a previous installion how do i remove it
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15:12.21exposeHi.
15:12.30exposegot a rather simple while important question:
15:13.19exposeWhat happens to all your "kde-data" like, adressbook-entries and so on when you move from KDE version x.n to x.(n+1) and what happens when you move from x.n to (x+1).0?
15:13.38expose(e.g. 3.3 to 3.4 or 3.4 to 4.0)
15:13.56exposewill you lose all this? no, right?
15:14.04exposeit will be there, just like it has been before?
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15:15.57mobtekexpose: no idea, mebbe back that up somewhere safe..is there a migration tool for that data?
15:16.29mobtekexpose: one would think it would all still be in ~/.kde3.3 or whatever
15:16.58exposeyes...but the thing is that i wont have the time to enter all that data again...if there's no migration tool...
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15:22.40mobtekexpose: I can't seem to remember losing my stuff
15:23.15exposeOkay.
15:23.35exposemaybe since when kde has a major version bump the actual tools like kmail dont do so.
15:24.04exposemeaning: kde moves from 3.4 to 4.0 but kmail moves (for example) just from 0.3.2 to 0.3.4 or so
15:25.25reubenexpose: it's safe to assume that apps from 3.5 to 4.0 will be hugely different
15:25.33mobtekreuben: yeah
15:25.44exposeHm.
15:26.15mobtekexpose: so mebbe in kde4 things like kaddressbook will still have an Import KDE3 Addressbook
15:26.22mobteklike it still does now for KDE2 etc
15:27.05mobtekI'd be surprised if you lost anything
15:27.10mobtekand if you did for very long :)
15:27.40exposeOkay. Since i dont have a greater need to enter everything again i'll ask it in a forum when google doesnt help. need to go now, to catch the train. thanks so far
15:27.42exposeciao guys.
15:28.22mobtekhehe cool
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16:23.15|sXe|hi
16:24.02|sXe|Can anyone tell me how i can connect to anoncvs? i alway get the message "anoncvs.kde.org unknown host"
16:24.47apokryphos|sXe|: why not use svn?
16:25.58|sXe|hm.. i tried it but the directory strukture is not teh same.. i don't know which dirs i need..
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16:28.05_sxearg .. sry .. idsconnect
16:28.13_sxe[18:24] <apokryphos> |sXe|: why not use svn?
16:28.14_sxe[18:25] <|sXe|> hm.. i tried it but the directory strukture is not teh same.. i don't know which dirs i need..
16:28.14_sxe[18:26] <|sXe|> im trying to download kmldonky from the extragear package
16:28.14_sxe[18:26] <|sXe|> and compile it ... ;]
16:28.16_sxe[18:27] <|sXe|> Is there no kde cvs server?
16:28.23benJImansvn
16:28.26benJImansee http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html see there
16:28.49apokryphos_sxe: what extragear, exactly?
16:28.55_sxei read that .. but i don't know which dirs i need
16:29.11_sxeits a kde package.. which includes kmldonkey
16:30.21_sxehttp://kmldonkey.org/node/9 .. here is the discription how to download kmldonkey.. but its cvs..
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16:38.07_sxeok .. i had posted it in the kmldonkey form .. thx
16:38.08_sxebye
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17:14.24SATuxhi, can someone help me?
17:14.44SATuxI am trying to join ##java and get this error:
17:14.54SATux##java You need to be identified to join that channel
17:15.06SATuxcan anyone help?
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17:36.03grepperSATux: solved ?
17:36.54SATuxyea, thanks
17:37.21SATuxnow I just need to solve my java problem...
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17:37.52ironfroggyis there anyway to get a focus-follows-mouse policy but not have to chase dialogs around the screen?
17:43.24Blissexironfroggy: depends on what you mean by that -- there are various levels of focus stealing prevention which _might_ do what you want
17:43.51Blissexironfroggy: but beware choosing excessively clever policies, because they may be not well defined.
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17:46.47ironfroggyi want focus follows mouse, but when dialogs pop up, i'd like to just hit enter or start typing to use them.
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17:54.27benJImankcontrol -> appearance and themes
17:56.02TuxguyI dont have appeareances and themes
17:56.22TuxguyI have Accesibility, Componets, Information, Look n Feel, Network....etc
17:57.17benJImanprobably look and feel, what version of kde is it?
17:57.25Tuxguy3.3
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19:21.01Tsunamihi all
19:21.29Tsunamiiīm looking for someone to help me in an ide project
19:21.39Tsunamianyv]body there?
19:21.45Tsunamiops anybody
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19:23.26annmaTsunami: ask your question precisely please
19:24.18TsunamiI would like to ask what do you want to see in a new Visual RAD application for linux
19:24.32Tsunamimy project will be build a new one
19:24.39annmaRAD?
19:24.46annmafor linux?
19:24.47Tsunamiahm
19:24.49Tsunamiyes
19:25.00annmayou mean a new Eclipse?
19:25.17Tsunamiyes, but to build applications in C++
19:25.45annmaI don't think we need such a tool
19:25.59Tsunamiwhy?
19:26.10annmawe already have KDevelop which is perfectly OK to develop KDE-based applications
19:26.27annmawhat would your tool provide that KDevelop does not?
19:26.55Tsunamiwell
19:27.10TsunamiIīm planning the project
19:27.39Tsunamiat the beggining, Iīm searching for the reason to build a tool like that  and what do better than others
19:28.04annmawhy don't you join the KDevelop team instead of trying to reinvent the wheel?
19:28.38Tsunamihmm
19:29.05Tsunamii was looking for a tool like C Builder to linux, but opensource
19:29.15TsunamiAnd i didnt found one
19:29.17annmadid you look at KDevelop?
19:29.36annmawhat does Linux mean in your vision?
19:29.55TsunamiAn operational system..
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19:30.14annmaa new Visual RAD application for linux <- what does that mean?
19:30.23annmafor me it does mean a lot
19:30.23Tsunamiah
19:30.37Tsunamian application to build another ones
19:30.41Tsunamilike delphi
19:30.51Tsunamito build easly the ide
19:30.55annmaisn't delphi for a specific language?
19:30.58Tsunamiops, interface
19:31.15Theory"Rapid Application Development" Application
19:31.36Tsunamidelphi is for object pascal
19:31.46annmaso what do you see for linux?
19:31.58Tsunamiwell
19:32.02annmaif you want C++ that means KDE
19:32.09annmahence KDevelop
19:32.35Tsunamibut... and to build the graphical interface with k develop?
19:32.45Tsunamiisnt with code only?
19:33.07annmaever heard of QtDesigner and even KDevDesigner?
19:33.24Tsunamino
19:33.44annmayou should have a look at KDevelop and see what it provides
19:33.54annmaand position yourself from that
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19:34.03annmaotherwise you're going to waste your time
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19:34.21Tsunamiyou are right
19:34.57Tsunamiwhat are the alternatives to build a graphical application in linux today?
19:35.15TsunamiI found lazarus and gambas
19:35.15annmaI only know KDE but Eclipse is the other one
19:35.42annmathose are not very much used I think
19:35.51annmawell I mainly know KDE only
19:35.57annmaso I am quite biased
19:36.03Tsunamihmm
19:36.25annmabut for C++ I don't think there is any room for anything else than KDevelop
19:36.36annmathere is no other C+ based toolkit
19:36.51Tsunamithe question is, is it easy to build  an application in Kdevelop like in Delphi?
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19:38.25Tsunamiwell, thank you anyway
19:38.27Theorywell, there's kommander
19:38.36Theoryagain, built on kde
19:38.41Theoryor monodevelop and gtk-sharp
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19:38.57FlendorHello.
19:39.02Tsunamihi
19:39.15annmakommander?
19:39.18annmaRAD?
19:39.47Tsunamikommander is like glade?
19:40.06annmaTheory: Kommander is a RAD?
19:40.19aseigodesigner is like glad
19:40.20aseigoonly good
19:40.25Dhraakellianafaik (which is very little in this case), kommander is for scripting and such
19:40.30aseigoyes
19:40.42Tsunamioh
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19:40.45aseigokommander is a way to quickly create small dialog-based apps
19:40.50Tsunamikommander is for shell script
19:40.51aseigodesigner is a GUI designer
19:40.58stibbyaseigo: i love this quick launcher, but unfortunately it lacks a feature so i can't use it
19:41.01rr72hey aseigo
19:41.05aseigoyo everyone
19:41.06stibbywhy are we not allowed to add menus to the quick launcher?
19:41.11stibbyyo aseigo
19:41.20aseigostibby: what sort of menus?
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19:41.26annmasee, Tsunami , there are much confusion already about what exists
19:41.50annmabut for KDE all tools are there to create quickly any app
19:42.09stibbyaseigo: you can add application menus to the main panels
19:42.11annmain fact I created one in 2 hours without knowing C++ when I first used KDevelop
19:42.28Tsunamihmm
19:42.34aseigostibby: app menus.. yeah, no particular reason why not..
19:42.45aseigostibby: well, other than the class for that is in kicker and not the library
19:43.03Tsunamiso, i draw the interface in kdesigner and write programming in kdevelop?
19:43.08stibbywould it be hard to get that feature on the quick launcher?
19:43.20aseigohmm.. not paritcularly. let me see...
19:44.07stibbyit would really be helpful
19:44.56Tsunamiaseigo: ?
19:45.46vi4mhello, how to export KMail maildir messages, to the format of OutlookExpress ?
19:46.01annmaTsunami: of course you do that
19:46.05aseigostibby: it would mean moving RecentApps to libkicker, moving the couple of MenuManager referices to k_mnu.cpp so that PanelServicemenu (kicker/kicker/ui/service_mnu.h|cpp) could also be moved to libkickermain
19:46.15annmaTsunami: look at some easy tutorials
19:46.31aseigoTsunami: yes, that's the easy way to do it =)
19:46.41annmaTsunami: a child can do a GUI app in a few clicks
19:47.28Dhraakellianhehhehheh
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19:47.44Dhraakellianso is that statement goign to be proven?
19:48.03aseigogoing to be? ;)
19:48.11Dhraakellianhas it been?
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19:48.22Dhraakellian(and, yes, tupos ate bell)
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19:48.25aseigooops
19:48.32Dhraakellian(and, yes, tupos ate bell)
19:48.32aseigoyeah, he's played with designer before =)
19:49.02stibbyaseigo: so this quick-launch request is unrealistic?
19:49.28aseigostibby: no, it's realistic ..
19:49.37aseigostibby: not sure if i'm motivated to do it for 3.5 though
19:50.08aseigoi'm moving my efforts to plasma in kde4 primarily and am trying to keep my 3.5 work to bug fixes and usability improvements rather than features and major code resturcturing
19:50.15aseigoi'd probably accept a good patch though
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19:51.45stibbyall i want is the ability to stack icons that represent application menus
19:51.49stibbyif plasma has that, they w00t
19:51.52stibbywork on plasma
19:51.55stibby*then
19:52.29Dhraakellianhmm
19:52.40Dhraakellianwhen (roughly) is KDE4 expected?
19:53.18DhraakellianI've heard October 2006 mentioned in reference to KDE's tenth anniversary
19:53.33stibbythat long? :(
19:53.47aseigo10-06 might be a bit ambitious
19:53.52aseigostibby: yes
19:54.10aseigostibby: this isn't like the jump from 3.3->3.4, nor even the jump from 2.2 -> 3.0
19:54.18aseigothankfully it's not going to be another 2.0
19:54.35aseigobut we're doing some exciting, and difficult, things with the codebase
19:54.39stibbymaybe by that time i'll actually know cpp/qt and will be able to do something small. working on java python and php right now
19:55.05stibbyone of the top things i'm hoping for in the next release is speed
19:55.10aseigostibby: no time like the present man =)
19:55.11stibbyor at least no slower than it currently is
19:55.20aseigoyes, speed and memory should both improve
19:55.29aseigoQt4 alone gives us some nice advantages
19:55.35aseigoanyways.. gotta go ... bbiaw
19:55.46Dhraakellianso KDE4 is still over a year away then?
19:57.00stibby^_^
19:58.15Dhraakellian(damning with faint praise, I know)
19:59.43stibbyactually, /. reported that the beta came out today
19:59.50stibbyso they are making an attempt to do something, i guess
20:00.47benJImanapparently they've not feature frozen it yet though
20:02.57stibbydoes windows ever freeze anything?
20:04.30Dhraakellian"features freezing" is different from "feature freeze"
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20:05.59MrRiohey, how do i set keyboard shortcuts? something similar to the 'Keyboard Shortcuts' menu in gnome. like hot keys, play pause etc. that u get on laptops
20:06.39stibbykeyboard shortcuts to go to applications can be editted in the K Menu Editor
20:06.41praseodymiumwhen I create a directory with a [ in the name and open it using konqueror, I only get a list of directories in the directory's parent
20:06.58praseodymiumor folder, w/e
20:07.04praseodymiumcan anyone reproduce this?
20:07.05MrRiostibby: for like play, pause
20:07.32praseodymiumMrGrim: for e.g. amaroK you can use global shortcuts
20:07.41benJImanMrRio: regionability & accessability -> keyboard shortucts/ keyboard layout / input actions in control center are relevant
20:07.43praseodymiumMrRio: see above
20:07.53praseodymiumMrRio: and you can also use KHotKeys
20:08.26benJImanMrRio: the input actions thing aka khotkeys allows you to set up dcop calls to control apps, eg I use that for my multimedia natural keyboard multimedia keys to control juk
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20:09.45praseodymiumbenJIman, MrRio: for amarok I just use global shortcuts. works like a charm.
20:10.13praseodymiumsettings > global shortcuts
20:10.20benJImanpraseodymium: yeah you can do that, or use khotkeys and the dcop interface
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20:10.38MrRiopraseodymium: cool, anyway of getting to that, im on gnome
20:10.39praseodymiumbenJIman: true, but thats less user-friendly of course.
20:10.43benJImanthe advantagae of using khotkeys is perhaps that it's easy to switch over to another media player
20:11.03praseodymiumbenJIman: if the media player provides enough dcop bindings of course
20:11.11benJImanpraseodymium: dcop and juk provide plenty
20:11.15benJIman*amarok and juk
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20:11.21praseodymiumMrRio: kcontrol, amarok
20:12.05benJImaneach to their own, I prefer juk's not-using-500mb-of-ram ness
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20:12.22praseodymiumlol
20:12.22praseodymiumbbl
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20:14.22MrRioi cant see play/pause under global shortcuts
20:16.02DhraakellianMrGrim, what media player?
20:16.12MrRioamarok
20:16.16Dhraakellianheh
20:16.21MrRiounder gnome
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20:16.30DhraakellianamaroK's global shortcuts can be configured through amaroK
20:16.37MrRiooh, cool :)
20:16.51DhraakellianSettings > Configure global shortcuts
20:16.56MrRiothe keys work fine with gnome media players, but they all suck
20:17.01terryAnyone know of a KDE program that will allow me to unzip every file in a directory to that directory?
20:17.29MrRiokonqueror has a 'extract here' when u right click
20:17.37MrRioor at least on fedora core 4
20:18.11annmaterry: ark?
20:18.40terryannma: That will only allow me to do one at a time.
20:19.01annmayou mean to unzip all zip files?
20:19.07terryMrRio: That is what I have been doing, but I have over 400 files.
20:19.11annmaunzip *.zip
20:19.22Dhraakelliankonqi should have something in the context menu, iirc
20:19.31terryannma: I tried that, but it says filename unmatched
20:19.36benJImanterry: you can select them all at once and right click -> extract here
20:19.54annmaterry: unzip --help to see options
20:20.46Dhraakellianright-click > Extract > Extract here
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20:23.04Tsunamiwell, thanks for all
20:23.06Tsunamicya
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20:52.53VornerHello, I would like to ask: is it possible, if I have some QDialog showed, to 1) Hide it && 2) Show it inside another dialog as a widget (or inside some other widget)? Thank you.
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21:00.36zone17Hi, anyone who has seen the problem where the fonts on gaim are very small and where it's impossible to change the size?
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21:02.01benJImanzone17: gaim isn't a kde app, if you install gtk-qt engine then you can adjust the fontsize for gtk apps in kde control center
21:02.03benJIman*centre
21:03.22zone17benJIman, thanks!! ofcourse!
21:03.52benJImanhttp://bw.uwcs.co.uk/gtkqt.png like that
21:05.01zone17benJIman, thanks a lot :-)
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21:21.04terrybenJIman: Thanks for the help!!  I had to use krename to take out all of the spaces and then aRk worked.
21:21.16benJImaninteresting
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21:41.24unomewhat a KDE UGI for top?
21:41.38unomegui*
21:41.46benJImanctrl-escape
21:42.32unomenice, thx.
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21:53.34kotyaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
21:54.15kotyaHello................
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21:56.18kotyaHelp MEEEEEEEEEEEE
21:56.51Dhraakellianoy
21:57.13Dhraakellian"Don't ask to ask; just ask"
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22:21.14kendhomewhat the hell?
22:21.43kendhomeso, i asked if there'd be a way to prevent menus from popping open on hover, since that can be very annoying (esp if the pop-up menu that I DIDN'T want is so huge as to overlap the one I'm trying to get at)
22:21.54kendhomeand apparently this is a widget-style issue!?
22:21.58kendhomesux0r! :(
22:22.05kendhomehttp://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108466
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22:23.09mcquaidhello, in my kde 3.4.1 the save dialog has an option 'automatically select filename extension' but it's greyed out
22:23.16mcquaidis there something to check to enable it?
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22:29.05kendhomelame
22:29.07kendhomeit is a style issue
22:29.19kendhomethe only style i have (that i've tried) that DOESN'T do it is ugly old motif :^(
22:31.42Dhraakellianhmm
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22:33.00kendhomeand not be dependent on the widget style (which, i thought, would only affect what things LOOK like, not how they ACT... right!?)
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22:38.53FebianHow can I set up a bootsplash for kdm?
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22:39.44benJImanFebian: you mean the splash for starting kde, from kdm? or the bootsplash itself on the consoles?, the former is in kcontrol -> appearance and themes -> splash screen
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22:40.47FebianThe place where you put user name and password...
22:41.08Febianthat id kdm boot manager, right?
22:41.16Febianid=is
22:41.18benJImanah you mean a theme for kdm rather than splash
22:41.36Febianyeah, sorry...
22:41.51benJImanthey go in /opt/kde3/share/apps/kdm/themes
22:42.00benJImanthere are several on kde-look.org
22:42.39FebianI just downloaded some themes...but I don't know how to install them
22:43.15benJImanput them in /opt/kde3/share/kdm/themes
22:44.26FebianI don't have that directory! I only have /opt (I'm using debian)
22:44.33benJImanoh sorry
22:45.19benJIman"cd `kde-config --prefix`/share/apps/kdm/themes" I should have said
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22:49.06FebianI cannot find this place. I have a directory named .kde on my home dir, but inside there is no kdm dirs...
22:49.21thiagotry the one in kde-config --prefix
22:49.28benJImanFebian: did you try running "cd `kde-config --prefix`/share/apps/kdm/themes" ?
22:49.56benJImanFebian: are you running kde 3.4? pre 3.4 didn't have support for themes
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22:50.11benJImansarge doesn't have 3.4 iirc
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22:51.53Febiankde 3.3
22:52.09thiagothen yours doesn't suport kdm themes
22:52.18Febianah!
22:52.30Febianhow may I upgrade kde?
22:52.53benJImanuse your distro tools , presumably apt
22:53.12FebianI'll try...thanks!
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23:00.25mcquaiddoes anyone know how to enable the option in the kde save dialog 'automatically select filename extension'?
23:00.32mcquaidcurrently it's greyed out
23:00.48Theoryselect a filetype in the dropdown box?
23:01.03mcquaidmaybe thats part of the problem i have none
23:01.08mcquaidin the dropdown that is
23:01.17Theorywhat app?
23:01.29mcquaiddoesn't seem to mater, kedit, kate
23:02.04benJImanmcquaid: well if you look at ksnapshot for example if you select a filetype from the "filter" box you can then use the automatically select filename extension
23:02.19TheoryI think this is normal behaviour for kate and kedit
23:03.31mcquaidand is it normal to have no filters when opening a file in say kedit?
23:03.52mcquaidi thought way back kde, used to have a bunch of default filtes like .txt etc
23:03.59benJImanit is normal
23:04.06benJImantext files don't usually have extensions
23:04.44mcquaidnormally not in nix, but in windows it does, and i thought kde mimicked that behaviour
23:04.52mcquaidor i think it used to
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23:05.55mcquaidjsut trying to get windows like behaviour for the gf
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23:06.20mcquaidshe said' why do i see all these pics and stuff when i'm opening a text document in this notepad program'
23:06.21benJImanwhy does it matter if it's named .txt?
23:06.28benJImanah I see
23:07.33benJImanwell most people want to use text editors for opening files named all sorts of ways, so for the vast majority it would be annoying to have to remove the filter each time I guess
23:07.49mcquaidtrue
23:08.38mcquaidwell at least the filter option is there.  thats why i was trying to get the save to automatically add .txt for her
23:08.47mcquaidand i thought that greyed out checkbox was the way
23:11.20mcquaidhmm, in kedit if i type *.txt when saving and tab away from that field the option is no longer grey
23:11.41mcquaidbut if i already type the *.txt in, I don't see whats its actually doing
23:12.45benJImanmcquaid: the filter is for what files it shows
23:13.01benJImanthe file extension thing will automatically add that file extension to the filename you type in when you saveit
23:15.13mcquaidok thx
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23:32.03mki4okhello people
23:32.20mki4oksomeone speak spanish
23:32.29mki4okonly for practic
23:32.38tenchi21hi
23:32.59Vensonno habla espanol
23:33.05tenchi21i'm trying to learn how to make splash screens
23:33.26mki4okmmm+
23:33.34mki4oklol
23:33.44Vensontenchi21: take a peek at the existing ones on kde-look.org
23:33.52tenchi21can someone point me to a faq
23:33.56mki4okverson como k no habla espaņol
23:34.29Vensonno comprendar
23:34.54linuxmanmi no hablo espanol
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23:37.27lauritenchi21: help:/ksplashml/index.html
23:38.35tenchi21lauri?
23:38.42mki4ok_hello
23:38.50mki4ok_lauri is woman
23:39.18lauritenchi21: the documentation for how to make splash pages is probably already on your computer
23:39.22tenchi21no what site is that for? "<lauri> tenchi21: help:/ksplashml/index.html"
23:39.23lauritype that into a konqueror window
23:39.37tenchi21not on linux system currently
23:39.51laurihttp://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/ksplashml/index.html
23:40.23mki4ok_hello speak spanish
23:40.24tenchi21thanks
23:40.53laurihabla alguien espaņol
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23:41.03mki4ok_lauri hablas espaņol
23:41.20mki4ok_lauri k eres hombre o mujer
23:41.26laurinej, kan du svenska?
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23:41.45mki4ok_lauri tu hablas espaņol
23:41.46TarantulafudgeCan somebody tell me what the point of ARTS is?
23:41.49mki4ok_???
23:41.50mki4ok_mmm
23:41.57TarantulafudgeI know its the sound server
23:41.59lauriyou don't speak swedish?
23:42.15mki4ok_swedish what is?
23:42.17lauri(because I don't speak spanish)
23:42.19Tarantulafudgehola mki4ok
23:42.28TarantulafudgeI do, somewhat
23:42.32mki4ok_hola
23:42.37mki4ok_tarantu
23:42.43Tarantulafudgeque es tu problema?
23:43.03mki4ok_kiero un programa como kazaa para linux
23:43.05laurialthough, i've been on irc a lot of years, so I recognise most pejoeratives and insults these days (last week, i learnt how to say your mother looks like a goat in hebrew)
23:43.39lauriTarantulafudge: the point now? or the point 5 years ago when it was started and KDE came to depend on it?
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23:43.59Tarantulafudgemki4ok, grokster
23:44.01mki4ok_oye de donde eres tarantu
23:44.11mki4ok_y eso de donde lo bajo
23:44.48lauricommon api for sound applications, cross platform sound mixing capabilities 85 years ago, network transparency (play sound here, hear it over there in another room, or vice versa)
23:45.17Tarantulafudgelauri, well specifically, does it require drivers?
23:45.21laurimost of these things can be done in other ways now (well, excuse the random 85 years ago that randomly got pasted into the middle of that)
23:45.28Tarantulafudgelauri, does it depend on alsa's drivers?
23:45.33aseigoTarantulafudge: hardware drivers? no
23:45.37lauriit doesn't have drivers of it's own
23:45.41lauriand it doesn't require alsa
23:45.51lauriit requires you have a working soundcard, of some kind, that you can hear things on
23:45.52aseigoTarantulafudge: it's all software and uses whatever hardware is available to it.
23:45.53laurithat's about it
23:45.59aseigolauri: hey girl =)
23:46.02laurihey boy :)
23:46.06mki4ok_oye tarantu de donde bajo ese programa
23:46.08Tarantulafudgeaseigo, what about proprietary hardware?
23:46.21aseigoTarantulafudge: if your OS works with it, that's all that matters.
23:46.45mki4ok_:)
23:47.03lauriand decides every one would look different
23:47.10aseigolauri: today? like vapour!
23:47.11lauriand mine would be pink, with stripes
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23:47.38aseigolauri: hahaha
23:47.40mki4ok_lauri are you from??????
23:47.45aseigomki4ok: venus
23:47.47Tarantulafudgelauri, I'm confused on how that would work lol
23:47.48aseigoor so i've heard.
23:47.55lauriwell, that would be to cover up my shockingly out of practise soldering
23:48.15mki4ok_venus???
23:48.16lauriTarantulafudge: easy, you send me all sorts of random dsp type chippy thingies
23:48.21laurioh and a bit of pasteboard
23:48.28laurii stick 'em all on, and paint it pink
23:48.44Tarantulafudgelauri, sorry I come from experience with alsa
23:48.59laurithen I put it on the wall as postmodern art, because, that's about all it would be good for
23:49.09lauriTarantulafudge: alsa is, in the scheme of things, very new
23:49.56lauriI'm not sure what experience you mean (you are developing? building sound hardware? trying to fix a broken KDE install?)
23:50.03Tarantulafudgemki4ok, lo ciento, yo no comprenda mucha espanol
23:50.25Tarantulafudgelauri, Im used to alsa
23:50.28lauribut arts solved a lot of problems (and provides a lot of functionality that wasn't even really considered for desktops)
23:50.30laurithen use alsa
23:50.38Tarantulafudgelauri, but kde uses arts
23:50.56Tarantulafudgelauri, arts is fine, i just need to know if I need to get a module for my sound card or what
23:51.04lauriarts can't speak to alsa?
23:51.10lauriI find that very hard to believe
23:51.17Tarantulafudgewait what
23:51.21Tarantulafudgeso arts uses alsa?
23:51.24aseigoit works just fine with alsa =)
23:51.26laurior oss
23:51.28laurior nothing at all
23:51.32laurior whatever you have
23:51.34Tarantulafudgenothing... ?
23:51.35aseigoit uses whatever you have
23:51.36aseigohaha
23:51.38aseigoyeah..
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23:51.45strawor even esd!
23:51.46laurisure, I don't need anything here (just point it at a soundcard /dev/dsp)
23:51.48Tarantulafudgewill it produce sound with.. nothing??
23:51.48laurior esd
23:52.00lauriyes, because not everything is your linux box that is running alsa :)
23:52.02aseigoor lsd
23:52.13laurinono, bsd has dibs on the lsd
23:52.16strawtrippy...
23:52.23Tarantulafudgelauri, then what SHOULD I use
23:52.34aseigoin fact, if you have lsd as your sound system, you don't evne need your computer plugged in!
23:52.42lauriTarantulafudge: tell arts what your sound device is called
23:52.46lauridone
23:52.50aseigoTarantulafudge: just make sure your sound card is supported by your OS and is set up to make noise. that's all
23:52.58Tarantulafudgelauri, emu10k1x ?
23:52.58mki4ok_hello i need a information of this chat
23:53.05laurinot even that
23:53.15aseigono.. /dev/dsp or whatever
23:53.29Tarantulafudgewhat are the steps to set it up to make noise?
23:53.30laurior /dev/potato
23:53.41mki4ok_OK
23:53.44laurikcontrol -> sound and multimedia -> enable sound system
23:53.48lauriplay sound
23:53.59laurikcontrol -> sound and multimedia -> sound system -> enable sound system
23:54.02laurisorry, missed one
23:54.03mki4ok_IGNORENME PUES ESTA BUENO INDIOS
23:54.09Tarantulafudgelauri, some how I think its more complicated then that
23:54.27lauriwhy? that works perfectly well for most everyone
23:54.50Tarantulafudgelauri, even my sound card was just RECENTLY added to alsa
23:54.59lauriyou miss the point
23:55.01lauriif alsa knows it
23:55.03lauriarts can use it
23:55.03benJImanTarantulafudge: is your sound working anyway?
23:55.11lauriif *anything* can play sound out it on your entire computer
23:55.12lauriarts can
23:55.15TarantulafudgebenJIman, this is a fresh install
23:55.21lauriif you can cat a wav out the dsp device
23:55.22benJImanTarantulafudge: so does it work?
23:55.23benJImancat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
23:55.23lauriarts can use it
23:55.42mki4ok_K PROBLEMA CON USTEDES SI HABLARAN ESPAŅOL LES RESOLVIERA SUS PROBLEMAS
23:55.44lauriif you need to install a driver into alsa for that to work, that's up to alsa
23:55.47mki4ok_SON UNOS PROBLEMATICOS
23:55.53laurimki4ok: stop shouting
23:56.10Tarantulafudgehe wants someone who speaks spanish to help him
23:56.12mki4ok_NO SE DEN TANTO PROBLEM LAS COSAS SON SENCILLAS
23:56.17lauriand clearly we don't speak spanish
23:56.37lauri(I already told him that, it's the only sentence in spanish I even know)
23:56.49Vensoni love the ignore function
23:56.58Tarantulafudgewell i know a bit of spanish from my high school courses
23:57.01mki4ok_I SPEAK INGLES
23:57.09laurimki4ok: then what is your problem?
23:57.22Vensonit's hard not to know a little spanish when you live in the United States of Spanishland
23:57.24lauriTarantulafudge: well, he doesn't speak swedish either
23:57.32lauriso we're just not getting along
23:57.54strawmki4ok_: please stop using caps lock
23:57.56lauriif you can help him in spanish, please do so, if not, please help translate his questions, all the shouting gets nobody anywhere
23:57.59Tarantulafudgehe left
23:58.06laurino kidding :)
23:58.08lauriok, now for you
23:58.13TarantulafudgeI was trying to contemplate
23:58.15lauriarts does not know, or care what your sound card is
23:58.19strawno, he hasn't
23:58.31laurithe only thing arts knows, or cares, is that there is one, and your OS knows where it is
23:58.34mki4ok_LOL
23:58.45strawheh
23:58.47lauriand it'll happily toss sound at your OS, and let it do with it what it wants
23:58.47Tarantulafudgeok, so are there any steps to making my OS know its there?
23:58.52mki4ok_IM PRACTIC SPANISH
23:58.58lauriI have no idea, I don't use linux, or alsa, or have your sound card
23:59.04benJImanTarantulafudge: use your distro tools
23:59.09mki4ok_UNDERSTAND THIS IS FOR US
23:59.16aseigomki4ok_: can you please not type all in capital letters? thank you
23:59.26mki4ok_K TIENE DE MALO USAR LAS MAYUSCULAS AH
23:59.51TarantulafudgeI have a bad user... something

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