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| 00:00.35 | annma | hallo brucehoult |
| 00:01.15 | mcquaid | i remember the name of the one i used to use, radialcontext |
| 00:01.53 | canllaith | oooh nice taste in music madpenguin8 |
| 00:02.04 | madpenguin8 | :) |
| 00:02.41 | Dhraakellian | now playing: Två Fisk Och En Fläsk - Jungfruburen - "Linden Bär Löv" |
| 00:02.48 | madpenguin8 | kpov is pretty cool |
| 00:02.53 | Dhraakellian | good music, even if I haven't a clue what any of it means |
| 00:02.59 | madpenguin8 | I just made a wallpaper with it |
| 00:03.28 | Dhraakellian | gazebo |
| 00:03.30 | brucehoult | hi annma! |
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| 00:04.02 | annma | canllaith: do you like it? |
| 00:04.09 | canllaith | annma: so far it seems ok |
| 00:04.11 | annma | if so, Tristania is better |
| 00:04.13 | brucehoult | so now four RAM slots used |
| 00:04.15 | canllaith | ok :) |
| 00:04.18 | brucehoult | and only 4 spare :-( |
| 00:04.38 | annma | and also Within Temptation |
| 00:05.20 | Dhraakellian | I think the p75 sitting on the other side of me has 72MB |
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| 00:05.53 | brucehoult | Dhraakellian: this had the 512 MB it came from the store with. which was *ok*, but swapped a bit. 1.5 GB now |
| 00:06.23 | brucehoult | it's RAM upgrade time ... my point&shoot camera just got a present to take it from 8 MB to 512 MB :-) |
| 00:06.44 | canllaith | and your camera had 16mb =p |
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| 00:07.15 | benklop | hello |
| 00:07.17 | brucehoult | amazingly, the 512 MB XD card was only slightly more expensive than a 512 MB DDR400 for the Mac |
| 00:07.53 | brucehoult | 16 was it? well it was enough to point the camera at something, press the button, and go "ok, it works" |
| 00:09.08 | benklop | quick question i turned on keyboard layouts in the control panel to get my multimedia keys to work. now, my apostrophe and tilde keys work differently. is there any way to retore them to the way i am used to? |
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| 00:10.02 | benJIman | benJIman: select the appropriate language too in the same page |
| 00:10.12 | benklop | i have done thato |
| 00:10.13 | benJIman | *benklop |
| 00:10.27 | benklop | US English |
| 00:10.28 | Dhraakellian | benklop, are you using a layout with deadkeys? |
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| 00:10.54 | bsims | no such luck it hangs on initialising system resources |
| 00:11.13 | benklop | i am using U.S. English w/iso9660 with the option for deadkeys to be turned off |
| 00:11.33 | benklop | er 9995-3 |
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| 00:12.22 | [1ur1] | I have some Python code I want to add to KDE Control center... Can anyone give me some clues on where to start from ??? |
| 00:12.38 | annma | hmm, what for? |
| 00:12.55 | benklop | so, i am a layout with deadkeys disabled |
| 00:13.55 | [1ur1] | Gentoo System Management... |
| 00:16.01 | annma | [1ur1]: where do you want to add that? for Gentoo distro? |
| 00:17.10 | [1ur1] | anma, I want kde users to be able to configure some gentoo params from the control Center... |
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| 00:18.13 | annma | [1ur1]: you mean you want to introduce that in the release? |
| 00:18.18 | [1ur1] | annma, I have some python code already done.. Is it possible to make the control center load that code ??? |
| 00:18.42 | davidsmind | [1ur1]: http://www.xs4all.nl/~bsarempt/python/tutorial.html |
| 00:19.08 | davidsmind | [1ur1]: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/python/2002/03/21/pythonnews.html This one is old |
| 00:19.12 | [1ur1] | annma, I thnik it can be done through (at most) an use-flag... no ??? I don't know KDE code at all... |
| 00:19.13 | annma | the control center loads kcm modules |
| 00:19.26 | annma | is there a module for a start? |
| 00:19.27 | [1ur1] | davidsmind, Thank you !!! =) |
| 00:19.58 | annma | have a look in kdebase.kcontrol code as well |
| 00:20.16 | davidsmind | [1ur1]: also look around for more info on the kde python bindings |
| 00:20.25 | annma | yes |
| 00:20.33 | [1ur1] | Ok... kdebindigs WILL do the job ??? |
| 00:20.34 | annma | I was about to mention that |
| 00:20.48 | annma | not sure what state they are on |
| 00:20.53 | [1ur1] | anma, I'll check that out... =) THX ! |
| 00:20.59 | annma | kig uses boost |
| 00:21.09 | annma | so you can check Kig as well (kdeedu) |
| 00:22.01 | [1ur1] | =) thank you once again... |
| 00:24.27 | annma | good luck |
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| 00:50.24 | martman | kind of a weird question, i heard that awhile back there was a change in the QT license and now im wondering why im not seeing some kde apps for win/max |
| 00:50.30 | martman | still another catch somewhere? |
| 00:52.23 | annma | martman: you heard |
| 00:52.37 | annma | you should verify what you hear |
| 00:52.50 | annma | and also state your question more precisely |
| 00:52.52 | Dhraakellian | Qt4 is available on windows under the GPL now |
| 00:53.10 | annma | however this is from just a few days |
| 00:53.24 | annma | so probably there are no apps built in that time |
| 00:53.25 | Dhraakellian | which means that, when KDE gets ported from Qt3 to Qt4 |
| 00:53.53 | Dhraakellian | and if someone actually has the motivation to get stuff compiling and working on windows |
| 00:53.54 | annma | and qt4 free for win does not mean qt apps for windows |
| 00:54.00 | Dhraakellian | then it'll happen |
| 00:54.17 | annma | Dhraakellian: you can't use it to build qt only app on qindows? |
| 00:54.21 | annma | windws |
| 00:54.48 | annma | martman: where was there a catch previously? |
| 00:55.03 | Dhraakellian | annma, well, he was asking about KDE apps |
| 00:55.08 | annma | yes |
| 00:55.19 | annma | he probably does not know what he is asking in fact |
| 00:56.02 | martman | kde runs on what seems to be every X, cgywin runs craploads of unix/X stuff for win |
| 00:56.11 | Dhraakellian | I'm sure someone will work on getting KDE to run on Windows when KDE4 comes around |
| 00:56.12 | martman | so i was asking is the QT license the only problem stopping them |
| 00:56.15 | martman | or if theres even more |
| 00:56.16 | annma | what was the catch previously? |
| 00:56.27 | annma | the problem is windows itself |
| 00:56.35 | martman | how is it windows? |
| 00:56.37 | annma | who wants to code dlls? |
| 00:56.41 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 00:56.44 | annma | ;) |
| 00:56.51 | annma | martman: are you a developer/ |
| 00:56.59 | martman | im a wanna be one....why? |
| 00:57.05 | annma | ah |
| 00:57.09 | annma | a wanna be |
| 00:57.12 | annma | I see |
| 00:57.30 | Dhraakellian | and a lot of KDE programmers just don't want to waste time porting KDE when that time could be spent making improvements to it on *nix platforms |
| 00:57.37 | annma | if you want to evelop on windows, then do it |
| 00:57.54 | annma | 1) is there a market for your app on windows? |
| 00:58.11 | martman | Dhraakellian yeah, kinda figured but was afraid of that |
| 00:58.17 | martman | would be nice to get a couple going on win... |
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| 00:58.21 | martman | thanks |
| 00:58.24 | dpy | hi guys |
| 00:58.28 | annma | why would we want our beautiful KDE on top of wondows??? |
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| 00:58.39 | annma | it does not make much sense |
| 00:58.44 | annma | 2 desktops |
| 00:58.46 | madpenguin8 | annma: I ask myself this all the time |
| 00:58.48 | martman | because alot of apps are really useful.... |
| 00:58.57 | dpy | does anyone here know a KScreensaver plugin that just runs a command or script whenever the screensaver should be active ? |
| 00:59.01 | annma | yeah? 2 desktops? 1 on top of the other? |
| 00:59.12 | annma | martman: then run Linux |
| 00:59.21 | annma | use wine for the rest |
| 00:59.23 | madpenguin8 | indeed |
| 00:59.25 | martman | when it basicly hates all my hardware... |
| 00:59.29 | annma | lol |
| 00:59.32 | annma | LOL |
| 00:59.36 | annma | surely not |
| 00:59.49 | Dhraakellian | If some windows user wants to port KDE4 apps, there's nothing legally stopping them |
| 00:59.55 | annma | by another PC if it was so which I doubt |
| 01:00.03 | annma | Dhraakellian: of course not |
| 01:00.14 | annma | as KDE is GPL |
| 01:00.30 | Dhraakellian | but many developers don't have that itch to scratch |
| 01:00.33 | annma | martman: video card? |
| 01:00.41 | annma | martman: sound card? |
| 01:00.41 | Dhraakellian | in fact, many would see it as scratching a festering boil |
| 01:00.59 | Dhraakellian | (excuse any hyperbole there if sentiments aren't quite that strong) |
| 01:01.04 | martman | lol |
| 01:01.32 | annma | lol |
| 01:02.03 | annma | martman: be smart if you want to develop and develop for KDE, you'll have more public than for windows where noone will never use your app |
| 01:02.11 | dpy | does anyone know the answer to my question ? |
| 01:02.29 | annma | dpy: look in kcontrol |
| 01:02.37 | annma | gotta go - film time |
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| 01:02.45 | annma | bye all |
| 01:03.02 | Zombie | So, I need assistance with a Cosmetic issue. |
| 01:03.09 | Dhraakellian | dpy, I don't know. That doesn't mean that no one else does though |
| 01:03.22 | internat | note quiet sure if this is the right place.. anywho.. im using kubuntu, and i just installed it, and i haven o sound, lsmod shows the module as being loaded, but i get no sound and alsamixer says fatal error default device does not exist etc |
| 01:03.32 | Dhraakellian | Zombie, ask away; someone might just know the answer |
| 01:04.18 | Zombie | I have a cosmetic issue with Linux thinking my CD Burner is a Vanilla CDROM |
| 01:04.26 | Zombie | Only KDE's desktop Doesn't identify it right. |
| 01:04.35 | Zombie | This is isolaated to one node that thinks its burner is a CD Rom |
| 01:04.44 | Zombie | K3B sees it. |
| 01:04.53 | Zombie | I have another CD ROM running the exact same OS as this one. |
| 01:05.09 | Zombie | And, it shows up as a burner correctly. |
| 01:05.14 | Zombie | I can make you screenshots if you like. |
| 01:05.24 | madpenguin8 | please do |
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| 01:06.48 | Zombie | Whats the matter here? |
| 01:06.55 | madpenguin8 | hmm |
| 01:07.34 | radi0head | Zombie; WHich kernel are you running? |
| 01:07.37 | dpy | really weird |
| 01:07.43 | dpy | that nobody has thought of it |
| 01:07.55 | Zombie | 2.6.11 |
| 01:07.57 | dpy | to create a "executable" screensaver plugin |
| 01:08.04 | dpy | that just runs an executable or a script |
| 01:08.14 | radi0head | Zombie; Do you use ide-scsi or ide-cd? |
| 01:08.26 | internat | i take it no one has any ideas? |
| 01:08.40 | Zombie | Tried both |
| 01:09.12 | madpenguin8 | Zombie: iirc 2.6.11 has issues with burners |
| 01:09.56 | madpenguin8 | Zombie: tried your distros forums? |
| 01:09.59 | Dhraakellian | internat, I see you're already in #ubuntu and #kubuntu, so I won't advise checking in there |
| 01:10.07 | Dhraakellian | #alsa maybe? |
| 01:10.19 | internat | yeah i asked in ubuntu and they said try here and kubuntu |
| 01:10.28 | Zombie | I don't think this is a Kernel issue becaise thoes two nodes run the same kernel./ |
| 01:10.29 | Zombie | And |
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| 01:10.51 | Zombie | This problem was aa problem back in thee 2.6.3 Kernel |
| 01:11.14 | Dhraakellian | well, if it's saying that a device doesn't exist (rather than saying that it's in use), it'd be my guess that it's not a kde/arts problem |
| 01:11.17 | dpy | is there a better channel to ask questions about kscreensaver ? |
| 01:11.43 | Dhraakellian | dpy, well, if there's a #kscreensaver channel, maybe |
| 01:12.07 | Dhraakellian | otherwise maybe just wait for someone more knowledgeable about kscreensaver |
| 01:13.03 | madpenguin8 | dpy: this is prolly the place |
| 01:13.46 | madpenguin8 | that doesnt make sense |
| 01:13.51 | dpy | I really cannot believe I am the first one to think of a "screensaver that runs an executable" type of screensaver |
| 01:14.11 | dpy | I've seen some weird screensavers that have been ported to KDE |
| 01:14.20 | Dhraakellian | since high-graphics stuff at 1600x1200 is probably a tad much for this poor intel graphics hardware |
| 01:14.30 | dpy | and nobody though it might be nice to have a script-executing screensaver |
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| 01:14.57 | madpenguin8 | dpy: so what are you waiting for, hack one up ;p |
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| 01:16.13 | dpy | madpenguin8: not interested, I've 10.000 more interesting things to hack up |
| 01:16.22 | madpenguin8 | cool |
| 01:16.34 | madpenguin8 | dpy: but I imagine there is something out there |
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| 01:17.31 | hon | I wish: konqueror have an extra entry in Location menu: add note here, which brings up an absolutely minimalistic text editor (as simple like knotes) and you can add a note in that directory. does anyone agree? |
| 01:18.14 | dpy | madpenguin8: you have any useful google query words for me ? |
| 01:18.53 | grepper | hon: you could add one to r-click menu easily enough |
| 01:19.17 | grepper | er, depending what you mean by "note" |
| 01:19.24 | hon | I know about service menus, but I need the text editor |
| 01:19.40 | hon | no I mean just a VERY simple text editor |
| 01:20.07 | hon | a konqueror side bar is also very good for this |
| 01:21.06 | hon | btw, do you any minimalistic text editor in kde? |
| 01:21.12 | madpenguin8 | dpy: hmm, dunno |
| 01:21.23 | madpenguin8 | kedit |
| 01:22.07 | hon | something damn fast and with no visible bloatedness |
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| 01:23.05 | hon | kedit is almost ok, |
| 01:23.18 | hon | can it be embedded into konqi? |
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| 01:23.31 | hon | or is it? |
| 01:23.49 | unome | I gotta problem with kate, always gives me an error |
| 01:23.49 | unome | kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed. |
| 01:24.10 | unome | now, when I start it with -n it works |
| 01:24.17 | unome | never works with sudo |
| 01:24.26 | unome | like sudo kate <file> |
| 01:25.07 | wirwzd | what about kdesu? |
| 01:25.08 | unome | when used with sudo this is the error I get: |
| 01:25.09 | unome | Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-roco" is owned by uid 1002 instead of uid 0. |
| 01:25.09 | unome | Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root" |
| 01:25.51 | unome | with kdesu it asks for the pass, but never loads |
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| 01:27.03 | unome | Qt: 3.3.3 |
| 01:27.03 | unome | KDE: 3.4.1 |
| 01:27.03 | unome | Kate: 2.4.1 |
| 01:27.17 | unome | would anyone look at the error please |
| 01:27.23 | wirwzd | xhost + ? |
| 01:27.39 | unome | xhost? |
| 01:27.42 | ananke | unome : try kdesu kate first |
| 01:27.57 | unome | <unome> with kdesu it asks for the pass, but never loads |
| 01:28.12 | Dhraakellian | does su -c work? |
| 01:28.36 | Dhraakellian | su = root (unless otherwise specified) |
| 01:28.52 | Dhraakellian | sudo = you with root priviledges (afaict) |
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| 01:29.14 | moshe | hello |
| 01:29.23 | moshe | did something happen with msn again that's preventing kopete from connecting? |
| 01:29.38 | unome | root is in the sudoers list here, sometimes it's useful |
| 01:29.38 | Dhraakellian | su - = root with its own environment variables |
| 01:29.57 | ananke | hmm, odd. i thought touching update_ksyscoca would result in an update, yet it works only if the file is not there. i have to remove it to initiate the rebuild |
| 01:30.04 | hon | hi moshe, let me try if I can connect or not ... |
| 01:30.18 | unome | so what's the deal here, file a bug report? |
| 01:30.25 | wirwzd | afaik you shouldnt have to run "xhost + localhost" before kdesu but you may before su to give permission to use th elocal display |
| 01:30.35 | moshe | kopete and gaim both fail |
| 01:30.37 | Cerulean | moshe: I cannot connect. |
| 01:30.46 | Cerulean | moshe: Check the MSN server status |
| 01:30.52 | moshe | where do I do that? |
| 01:31.11 | Cerulean | http://messenger.msn.com/Status.aspx |
| 01:31.24 | Cerulean | shows that MSN is running okay at least.. |
| 01:31.27 | moshe | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.07 | moshe | but there's a link right below it that doesn't look good for us. |
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| 01:33.06 | hon | I connected to my msn account now |
| 01:33.23 | benJIman | msn server status is never accurate |
| 01:33.30 | moshe | I'm trying it again |
| 01:33.31 | benJIman | I think it's based on the number of hits to the server status page |
| 01:33.44 | Cerulean | benJIman: :P |
| 01:33.49 | moshe | brb |
| 01:33.55 | Cerulean | still getting "An internal server error occurred. Please try again later." |
| 01:34.53 | benJIman | kopete likes focus stealing popups informing you too |
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| 01:35.33 | Cerulean | yeah, need to be quick with that Return then Ctrl+Q combo. |
| 01:36.09 | benJIman | passive popups would be so much better |
| 01:36.19 | benJIman | alt+f2 + killall kopete is sometimes quicker |
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| 01:38.00 | benJIman | tmsnc won't sign in either |
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| 01:51.31 | segfault_ | hi there |
| 01:52.08 | moshe | so, what's the deal with msn, then? |
| 01:52.19 | jczajkowski | anyone know how to add modules to Kcontrol? I'm using KDE 3.3.2 |
| 01:52.25 | benJIman | servers seem to be dodgy, some people can occasionally connect |
| 01:52.47 | benJIman | msn's uptime is worse than jabber.org |
| 01:52.48 | moshe | so it's not necessary Yet Another Attempt to Avoid us Linux-using Freeloaders? |
| 01:53.37 | internat | nah... msn is down.. my gf on windows cant log in either |
| 01:54.10 | moshe | whew |
| 01:54.12 | moshe | that's a relief |
| 01:54.26 | moshe | I can't contact any windows users online without msn in the first place :) |
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| 01:57.18 | benJIman | that's what jabber is for |
| 02:02.53 | gnoob | i am logged into msn. |
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| 02:32.28 | hellz_hunter | ok i figured out how to get Xnest to run a kde session, i want to figure out how to run just KDM and view the themes, its kind of hard because if i run startx or startkde with Xnest, im logged in as a user, it will skip KDM and go straigght to the kde session |
| 02:34.15 | hellz_hunter | so how do i run Xnest to view KDM is what im asking |
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| 02:47.17 | hellz_hunter | what is kdm_greeter? |
| 02:48.45 | ananke | man, kmenueditor is crazy |
| 02:51.36 | davidsmind | nuthouse crazy, or karaazee crazy? |
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| 02:52.29 | ananke | i think a bit of both |
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| 02:54.40 | ananke | ahh, i give up. maybe gnome has a better utility that would actually manage kde's menu |
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| 02:54.54 | ananke | [which would be a bit ironic] |
| 02:55.09 | benJIman | what's wrong with kmenuedit? |
| 02:55.17 | Alethes | last I heard gnome's menu editor went to pieces |
| 02:55.26 | ananke | Alethes : i'm not surprised |
| 02:55.42 | Alethes | why can't the menu editor be like windows' menu folder? |
| 02:55.44 | ananke | benJIman : it makes a complete spaghetti out of menus. items appear in random places, etc |
| 02:56.06 | ananke | benJIman : i remove something - the .menu file grows actually larger. |
| 02:56.10 | benJIman | heh, not had it do that to me |
| 02:57.46 | ananke | it seems like rather than cleanly moving things around in the .menu file, it rather adds 'delete this, move this to there, hide this' to the file. |
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| 03:00.33 | ananke | the most annoying is this: say i move 'Toys' section to another section. looks fine and dandy. i save. i update the ksycoca. i look at the menu, or open kmenuedit again. result? toys is where it was before, but now i have toys-2 under games. |
| 03:00.57 | nicoal | is there a way to determine what could be trying to access the cdrom? I get a bunch of " cdrom: open failed" messages when I log into kde |
| 03:01.13 | ananke | nicoal : maybe your old session |
| 03:01.27 | nicoal | ananke, I just rebooted |
| 03:01.44 | ananke | nicoal : kde by default will save your session. |
| 03:02.15 | ananke | ~/.kde/share/config/session |
| 03:02.53 | ananke | if you don't care about having your session restored, you can remove files from that location. |
| 03:03.38 | nicoal | ananke, ok, thanks- I'll try that =) |
| 03:03.46 | ananke | np, good luck |
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| 03:08.14 | infernal | hi all |
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| 03:10.47 | ananke | hmm, found another person that has the same gripes as i do |
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| 03:13.35 | nicoal | ananke, no luck |
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| 03:16.07 | ananke | nicoal : odd |
| 03:16.08 | nicoal | any other ideas? |
| 03:16.26 | ananke | nicoal : what applications do you have under Autostart? |
| 03:17.24 | nicoal | just imwheel, a script in ~/Desktop/Autostart/ |
| 03:18.57 | ananke | hmm, dunno, sorry |
| 03:19.10 | nicoal | oh well, thanks anyway |
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| 03:25.47 | nicoal | I killed kded and the cdrom activity stopped, yet there was no man for kded- what does it do? |
| 03:26.10 | thiago | it's the "kde daemon" |
| 03:26.25 | ananke | from my short encounter with kded, it's something that among other things - watches for filesystem changes |
| 03:26.48 | thiago | it runs a few modules so that a separate process isn't needed |
| 03:27.06 | thiago | like the cookie jar: if you stop kded, Konqueror won't set or retrieve cookies from sites |
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| 03:29.51 | nicoal | filesystem changes, you say.... do you think it could be polling the cdrom 4 times a second, monitoring it somehow? |
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| 03:32.48 | gwidion_ | Hi - is there a channel to talk about kde i18n ? |
| 03:33.02 | nicoal | wooo- ok, if anyone else has this problem- it's the media manager... fixed by stopping the service in kcontrol - service manager |
| 03:33.22 | nicoal | thanks guys |
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| 03:34.37 | thiago | gwidion_: I don't think so |
| 03:34.49 | thiago | gwidion_: the closest would be #kde-docs |
| 03:35.06 | gwidion_ | or them,just here. :-) |
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| 03:35.45 | gwidion_ | But it is about the doc. translation I need to know about. Thanks thiago ! |
| 03:35.46 | thiago | yes, or here :) |
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| 03:44.48 | CyberSpy | Wow, the Fedora team, really took Gnome involvement to a whole new level with Core 4 |
| 03:45.03 | CyberSpy | What a pain this has been |
| 03:46.00 | benJIman | it's never been good for kde |
| 03:46.03 | ironfroggy | is there anyway to have a psuedo-block device or just a file even that sound can be piped to and read for arts? |
| 03:46.04 | gwidion_ | Hi there... I'd need to know the staus of some translations of KDE. Documentation translations, and I can't find them under http://i18n.kde.org/stats/ . |
| 03:46.54 | gwidion_ | Actually I do not even know if each package documentation trasnlation is counted within the package itself, or in some separated package. |
| 03:47.53 | benJIman | are they still using bluecurve for kde? |
| 03:48.35 | Venson | not sure...i haven't used them since FC3, which i only used for a couple days |
| 03:48.51 | Venson | they switched to Clearlooks for Gnome....dunno if they use it for kde also |
| 03:49.01 | benJIman | don't think so |
| 03:49.18 | thiago | gwidion_: contact the translation coordinator for the language you want to translate to |
| 03:49.45 | doleyb | ironfroggy: you can run artsdsp, and from within that pipe things to /dev/dsp, and arts will get it. |
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| 03:50.36 | ironfroggy | doleyb: will that let multiple users play sound simultaniousy? |
| 03:51.06 | thiago | ironfroggy: yes |
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| 03:51.13 | ironfroggy | thiago: yay |
| 03:51.37 | benJIman | can't they anyway? seems to work here, or does it depend on drivers? |
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| 03:52.09 | ironfroggy | benJIman: the multiple artsd processes are conflicting trying to access the same dsp device |
| 03:52.22 | benJIman | ironfroggy: but I can output multiple things to /dev/dsp at once |
| 03:52.28 | thiago | you shouldn't have multiple artsds |
| 03:52.39 | ironfroggy | thiago: then how else can i do it? |
| 03:52.44 | thiago | benJIman: that means your soundcard accepts multiple streams |
| 03:52.47 | thiago | ironfroggy: run one only |
| 03:53.10 | ironfroggy | thiago: but how do i get multiple users then to use the same artsd? ive tackled this before, but ive never found a solution. |
| 03:53.13 | benJIman | thiago: ah so it depends on the card/driver? |
| 03:53.33 | thiago | ironfroggy: you can only have one user sitting in front of the computer, at a time |
| 03:53.38 | thiago | benJIman: yes |
| 03:53.51 | ananke | benJIman : cards based on emu10k1 can do that [for example] |
| 03:53.53 | ironfroggy | thiago: well duh |
| 03:54.04 | ironfroggy | thiago: but i usually have more than that actually logged into kde at a time. |
| 03:54.11 | thiago | ironfroggy: any other user doesn't have to run artsd, because he can't play sounds anyway |
| 03:54.16 | thiago | ironfroggy: ah, ok |
| 03:54.22 | thiago | but you can only have one user active |
| 03:54.44 | thiago | artsd is supposed to disconnect from the sound device after a timeout |
| 03:54.46 | ironfroggy | thiago: well it never seems to work anyway. i have the timeout set on artsd for 60 seconds, but the second user never seems to be able to play sound. |
| 03:55.02 | thiago | after 60 seconds, has it released the card? |
| 03:55.21 | ironfroggy | yes, although that user then has exclusive permissions to the device and i need to change them. |
| 03:56.11 | thiago | that isn't artsd's doing |
| 03:56.44 | ironfroggy | well i can solve that seperately, but when i do get the second user to grab the dsp, and artsd is running ok under that user, sound still wont play. i cant get a mixer right now. |
| 03:57.18 | gwidion_ | Hi Thiago - I had done that a week ago. They gave me a non-working list subscription address - and now I am in need of this information for tomorrow. |
| 03:57.34 | doleyb | ironfroggy: what kind of workstation setup do you have, where multiple users are close enough to hear the same soundcard?? |
| 03:57.53 | ironfroggy | doleyb: its just a home computer. |
| 03:58.03 | gwidion_ | thiago, I will e-mail then again anyway. |
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| 03:58.16 | ironfroggy | my wife and I both stay logged in simultaniously, because we dont like reopening everything all the time. |
| 03:58.47 | thiago | ironfroggy: what do you do to make it play? |
| 03:58.52 | gwidion_ | ironfroggy, Makes sense! I'd do it here if I had enough ram. |
| 03:59.22 | ironfroggy | gwidion_: it doesnt take that much. with both of us using KDE, most of the memory is shared libraries. emphasis on shared. |
| 03:59.27 | ironfroggy | thiago: Juk |
| 03:59.42 | thiago | no, I meant: how do you solve the problem? |
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| 04:00.31 | gwidion_ | ironfroggy: Yeah..but she works OO.org, and I with the GIMP and large images...soemtimes the RAM is not enough for a single of these sessions. |
| 04:00.32 | ironfroggy | well, normally after fixing the permissions i can get the sound to play, and i leave Juk open as long as i want to make sure a user keeps control of the sound. |
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| 04:00.48 | ironfroggy | gwidion_: RAM gets cheaper. |
| 04:01.14 | ironfroggy | i only have 640 as it is, i need another half-G |
| 04:01.23 | lord_crow | that reminds me... |
| 04:01.36 | lord_crow | hello again... |
| 04:01.51 | lord_crow | i have some peculliar problem with arts .... :( |
| 04:02.20 | lord_crow | can anyone help me ? |
| 04:02.45 | Dhraakellian | not if you don't ask your question |
| 04:03.52 | ironfroggy | problem solved! ALL of the sound devices (including the mixer) were currently owned by my wife's account. |
| 04:04.00 | lord_crow | ok, this is what's happening: two days ago, i installed dropline gnome in my slackware 10.1 machine, and then, sound it's just dead, like muted, but every log and status shows that's ok |
| 04:04.02 | ironfroggy | i really need to take some time and work all the bugs out of my system... |
| 04:04.05 | ironfroggy | thanks thiago. |
| 04:04.38 | lord_crow | i allready ask in #dropline, and cannot help me with that |
| 04:04.48 | doleyb | ironfroggy: But where do your users sit, if you usually have multiple concurrent logins? |
| 04:04.57 | ironfroggy | doleyb: same chair. |
| 04:05.13 | ironfroggy | doleyb: we just use multiple simultanious X sessions. |
| 04:05.48 | Dhraakellian | does arts give you any sort of error message when you start KDE? |
| 04:05.55 | lord_crow | Dhraakellian: nop |
| 04:05.58 | ironfroggy | although im planning to toss in an extra video card and see if i can set up an X session on each card so we can both use the same computer at the same time. |
| 04:06.04 | Dhraakellian | anything about it continuing and using the null output device? |
| 04:06.24 | lord_crow | Dhraakellian: nop, i started artsd manually and starts ok |
| 04:06.49 | Dhraakellian | what does the kcontrol module say? |
| 04:06.50 | ironfroggy | later people |
| 04:06.52 | doleyb | ironfroggy: if you spend $30 on a soundblaster card, it won't be a problem at all. |
| 04:06.53 | lord_crow | Dhraakellian: with alsa, oss, esd, all the same behaviour |
| 04:07.06 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 04:07.21 | Dhraakellian | anything else hogging the sound card? |
| 04:07.24 | ironfroggy | doleyb: i shouldnt have to. the sound drivers ought to merge the streams if the card doesnt support it. but alas, im too lazy to patch them myself. |
| 04:07.27 | lord_crow | Dhraakellian: nop |
| 04:07.54 | doleyb | ironfroggy: yes, that would seem natural... but the driver guys refuse to do so, because "That's not the documented behavior" |
| 04:08.43 | lord_crow | Dhraakellian: no problem, i can live without the kde events... 'cause everything else works just fine |
| 04:09.25 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 04:09.34 | Dhraakellian | I actually turned all the notification sounds off |
| 04:09.52 | Dhraakellian | after I got over the thrill of rapidly changing virtual desktops |
| 04:10.01 | Dhraakellian | (what a rush, man!) |
| 04:10.39 | Dhraakellian | I got used to not having them back on an old celeron notebook with crappy speakers and a crappier headphone jack |
| 04:10.59 | doleyb | ironfroggy: you might consider doing it with alsa instead of arts. http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
| 04:11.04 | lord_crow | Dhraakellian: i understand ;) |
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| 04:24.23 | Other_ | i would like to knows if when scrooling up and when arrives the top even if continuing scrooling up if it trambles, if this happens with more people? |
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| 04:39.37 | Mythril | ever since I upgraded kde (from 3.3.2 to 3.4.1) devices:// doesn't work in konqueror, anyone know what thats about? |
| 04:40.17 | lord_crow | Mythril: everything is in media:/ now |
| 04:41.28 | Mythril | cool, thanks |
| 04:41.37 | lord_crow | you're welcome |
| 04:42.42 | lord_crow | Mythril: you can try some other kio-slaves like remote:/ applications:/ trash:/ and settings:/ (that's my favorite ;) ) |
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| 04:44.02 | lord_crow | Mythril: you can see all the protocols if you write this on konqueror exec:/kcmshell ioslaveinfo |
| 04:44.47 | lord_crow | Mythril: also, the ioslaveinfo is in the control panel, he |
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| 04:47.03 | Mythril | lord_crow: where is it located in control panel? |
| 04:47.44 | lord_crow | Mythril: you can press ALT+F2 and write kcontrol or you can look for it in the "K" Menu |
| 04:48.57 | lord_crow | Mythril: or just writing in konqueror settings:/ |
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| 04:52.26 | Mythril | lord_crow: I am finding nothing on ioslaves; and exec:/ is failing with an error |
| 04:53.10 | lord_crow | Mythril: what does he says ? |
| 04:53.42 | Mythril | protocol not supported: exec |
| 04:54.56 | lord_crow | well... you can press ALT+F2 and write kcmshell ioslaveinfo |
| 04:55.46 | lord_crow | if you put in konqueror about:/ you'll get a nice front page |
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| 05:01.04 | sloe | d |
| 05:02.25 | sloe | anyone know of a file system indexing and searching program for KDE like Beagle for GNOME? (http://www.beaglewiki.org/Main_Page) |
| 05:03.39 | lord_crow | you mean something like google:/search term ??? |
| 05:04.22 | lord_crow | ooh i understand now |
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| 05:06.35 | lord_crow | sloe: well, i have no idea about an "kbeagle" ;), but you can always use kfind to search specifics types of documents |
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| 05:07.18 | mpee | sloe, you can use beagle, you just need to patch it to open konqueror instead of nautiluls |
| 05:07.35 | mpee | I ran it for a while, but it leaks memory like a sieve |
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| 05:09.35 | CyberSpy | Is anyone familiar with a bug in kde 3.4 in which you can't use adminstrator mode in the login manager of the control center? |
| 05:10.03 | CyberSpy | whenever I enter my root pw (when asked) it goes back to the main control center screen |
| 05:11.34 | sloe | hmm I wonder if I can get kfind to index PDF files? beagle has too many dependencies on my non GNOME system for me to give it a shot |
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| 05:18.29 | oneforall | hi |
| 05:19.16 | oneforall | just wondering why so many times this kio_file [kdeinit] file /tmp/ksocket-root/klauncherZUSgka.slave-socket /tmp etc isn't closing proper. have to kill them . cdrom drive every time i can't eject I look for those. |
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| 05:21.36 | ScytheBlade1 | using 3.4, is there any reason why I can't re-assign the "switch to desktop X" buttons to ctrl+keypad X? |
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| 05:21.48 | ScytheBlade1 | it default to ctrl+FX |
| 05:21.57 | ScytheBlade1 | but whenever I change it, the shortcut just....dies |
| 05:22.46 | ScytheBlade1 | "Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions"......gentoo and 3.4 |
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| 05:26.25 | aseigo | ScytheBlade1: i believe that's an X keyboard config issue, whether or not you can use the keypad for such things |
| 05:26.38 | aseigo | ScytheBlade1: not sure what fixes it though, i try and remain innocent of such horrors ;) |
| 05:26.50 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 05:26.52 | ScytheBlade1 | fair enough... |
| 05:27.06 | ScytheBlade1 | it'd odd though, because the control center keyboard layout picks up the combo perfectly |
| 05:27.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I can set it to ctrl+KP_1, ctrl+KP_2, etc |
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| 05:27.29 | ScytheBlade1 | the shortcuts are just kinda....dead..... |
| 05:29.52 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm k |
| 05:29.58 | ScytheBlade1 | well thanks, haha, at least I know where to start now |
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| 07:50.01 | osoh | hi all |
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| 07:56.02 | nion | how can i get a subversion snapshot from kdepim? i don't have a user name on svn.kde.org so i can not just checkout how it is described on:http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/subversion/ |
| 07:57.04 | [GALAXY] | svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdepim |
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| 08:10.00 | nion | oGALAXYo: LC_ALL=C svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdepim |
| 08:10.01 | nion | svn: Can't connect to host 'anonsvn.kde.org': Connection refused |
| 08:10.20 | oGALAXYo | you dont need LC_ALL=C |
| 08:10.57 | oGALAXYo | nion: retry a few times it might be down due to maintainance. |
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| 08:11.31 | nion | oGALAXYo: ok thanks :) I used LC_ALL=C because if not the output is german :) |
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| 08:40.03 | Ravensky | there isnt a way to cancel the "Compress..." easily :| |
| 08:40.07 | Ravensky | hmm |
| 08:40.18 | Ravensky | Ark just crapped out because I closed it |
| 08:40.21 | Ravensky | nevermind.. |
| 08:40.40 | oGALAXYo | Ravensky: what kde version ? |
| 08:40.55 | Ravensky | 3.4.1 |
| 08:41.14 | oGALAXYo | Ravensky: http://bugs.kde.org/ i bet they like to hear about that issue otherwise it wouldn't be fixed. |
| 08:41.47 | Ravensky | doesnt have a "Cancel" button, but it worked about 20 seconds later after hitting the Close button on the little window because Ark got an error (because I closed it) |
| 08:41.54 | Ravensky | righto |
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| 08:52.14 | Ravensky | oGALAXYo, would you consider it a Bug or Wish? |
| 08:52.29 | oGALAXYo | hmmmm |
| 08:52.38 | Ravensky | kinda both |
| 08:52.45 | oGALAXYo | i think its not much of a matter actually... the developer sees it the one way or other.. |
| 08:52.51 | oGALAXYo | make it a bugreport |
| 08:52.56 | Ravensky | heh, I'll put it as a bug I guess |
| 08:52.59 | oGALAXYo | and explain it as being a problem when aborting a process.. |
| 08:56.21 | Ravensky | submitted :) |
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| 09:00.03 | dstambou | mm in the amarok cover manager |
| 09:00.08 | dstambou | can I get it to display the full file name? |
| 09:00.09 | welson | is there a wrapper for gtk applications? I remember trying something out with a particular package but I just forgot the name :( |
| 09:00.13 | dstambou | album name that is |
| 09:00.19 | dstambou | welson: wrapper to do what exactly? |
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| 09:00.29 | goo | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.37 | welson | dstambou, to see my apps with kde looks.. |
| 09:00.49 | dstambou | welson: yes |
| 09:01.02 | dstambou | welson: trying to remember the name heh, I use it |
| 09:01.11 | dstambou | * x11-themes/gtk-qt-engine |
| 09:01.19 | dstambou | http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/gtk-qt |
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| 09:02.01 | ritalin | is their a vim mode for kate? |
| 09:02.12 | ritalin | I like its features but ive brain washed myself to vim |
| 09:02.31 | sredna | ritalin: You mean a shortcut scheme? |
| 09:02.48 | ritalin | sredna: yeah with a intreactive and command mode |
| 09:02.50 | sredna | ritalin: We do not support importing full shortcut schemes into kate (yet) |
| 09:03.08 | dstambou | hrmm |
| 09:03.10 | ritalin | damn that sucks |
| 09:03.17 | sredna | ritalin: There is no real command mode in kate at this time, althoug it is considered |
| 09:03.30 | ritalin | my main issue is gvims terminal sucks |
| 09:03.34 | sredna | The next iteration of kate will support using the yzis editor |
| 09:03.40 | ritalin | i like being able to test scripts in kate |
| 09:03.49 | PhilRod | goo: ~/.kde/env |
| 09:03.58 | PhilRod | goo: see the 'autostart' question in the FAQ |
| 09:04.01 | PhilRod | ~autostart |
| 09:04.01 | apt | methinks autostart is http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/configure.html question 10.10 |
| 09:04.06 | PhilRod | voila |
| 09:04.32 | welson | dstambou, how can i strace it to see that its using these library files? |
| 09:04.44 | welson | dstambou, rather it being wrapper |
| 09:04.46 | ritalin | ~yzis |
| 09:04.53 | sredna | Lol |
| 09:04.56 | ritalin | hmm |
| 09:05.03 | sredna | ~google yzis |
| 09:05.04 | ritalin | sorry i have no idea what that is |
| 09:05.05 | dstambou | welson: follow the installation |
| 09:05.12 | dstambou | welson: on the link I gave you |
| 09:05.18 | dstambou | all you have to do is set it up within kcontrol |
| 09:05.24 | sredna | Hm, wrong bot |
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| 09:05.56 | goo | PhilRod: Aha. Could you also please explain to me why KDE programs had to behave so differently than normal programs? |
| 09:06.12 | oGALAXYo | kde programs ARE normal programs |
| 09:06.16 | sredna | http://www.yzis.org/ <- ritalin |
| 09:06.35 | welson | dstambou, i'm not sure if its effective though.. there really is not much of instructions.. |
| 09:07.17 | PhilRod | goo: I think KDE apps take the environment of the shell in which 'startkde' is run |
| 09:07.48 | PhilRod | goo: so for example, I set envars and then run startkde in ~/.xinitrc. (I start KDE with 'startx') |
| 09:07.54 | PhilRod | that works nicely |
| 09:07.59 | oGALAXYo | i find the statement that kde apps are behaving differently than NORMAL apps quite misleading and wrong. |
| 09:08.07 | goo | PhilRod: I never run startkde. I use Gnome (ready for the flames...) and start kmail later. |
| 09:08.12 | oGALAXYo | since KDE apps are NORMAL apps. |
| 09:08.24 | oGALAXYo | gnome is not kde... |
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| 09:08.33 | sredna | goo: In that case your problem is with gnome not providing a proper environment |
| 09:08.36 | oGALAXYo | they use a totally different architecutre, framework, toolkit. |
| 09:08.36 | goo | oGALAXYo: I meant "all other *nix programs" |
| 09:08.52 | oGALAXYo | goo maybe you should consider that GNOME is misbehaving here.. |
| 09:08.59 | Ravensky | goo, are you saying that KDE stuff acts weird in Gnome? (I havent been following the discussion) |
| 09:09.10 | oGALAXYo | they have a totally different architecture, framework, toolkit. |
| 09:09.13 | sredna | goo: You could use a script to start kmail that sets the environment |
| 09:09.26 | goo | oGALAXYo: alright. I will now log out and be back with KDE. Just a second. |
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| 09:10.06 | oGALAXYo | i think goo's problem was why GNOME apps look different than KDE apps. |
| 09:10.07 | Ravensky | so what distro do most KDE devs use? |
| 09:10.14 | Ravensky | heh |
| 09:10.19 | Ravensky | GTK != QT |
| 09:10.26 | oGALAXYo | its an understanding issue to make people understand that GNOME is something differently and evil compared to KDE |
| 09:10.37 | PhilRod | no, that wasn't what he said |
| 09:10.40 | oGALAXYo | s/evil //g |
| 09:10.40 | sredna | Ravensky: Various ;) |
| 09:10.45 | oGALAXYo | thats what i understood |
| 09:10.53 | PhilRod | he was asking about what environment KDE apps read |
| 09:11.12 | Ravensky | Gnome isnt that bad, just a different interface. I used to use it because my comp sucks and didnt want to use as many resources, but KDE is just really nice ;) |
| 09:11.17 | PhilRod | although if he had mentioned earlier that he was using gnome, he might have got a more useful response immediately |
| 09:11.17 | sredna | Which is 'any in the current shell' |
| 09:11.25 | oGALAXYo | Ravensky: actually gnome is utterly broken |
| 09:11.31 | Ravensky | heh, ya |
| 09:11.36 | benJIman | and gnome doesn't have kioslaves or dcop |
| 09:11.38 | PhilRod | sredna: indeed |
| 09:11.41 | Ravensky | :P |
| 09:11.45 | Ravensky | weee dcop |
| 09:11.49 | Ravensky | call failed |
| 09:11.49 | Ravensky | call failed |
| 09:11.55 | Ravensky | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.57 | oGALAXYo | Ravensky: i know what i am saying here, i used to be a former gnome foundation member and participated to it for over 6 years.. |
| 09:11.57 | Ravensky | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.02 | Ravensky | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.04 | Ravensky | SyntaxError: invalid syntax |
| 09:12.05 | Ravensky | amaroK now playing: - (/ %) [] Vol: % |
| 09:12.07 | Ravensky | umm |
| 09:12.10 | Ravensky | oops |
| 09:12.11 | Ravensky | sorry :P |
| 09:12.29 | benJIman | lol a dodgy dcop irc script? |
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| 09:14.46 | Ravensky | no, it works...just errors if amaroK isnt running :P |
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| 09:16.22 | Ravensky | amaroK now playing: The Beatles - Back in the U.S.S.R. (0:24/2:43 15%) [128 kbps] Vol: 100% |
| 09:16.24 | Ravensky | like so |
| 09:16.25 | Ravensky | :P |
| 09:16.31 | Ravensky | uses dcop ;) |
| 09:16.52 | Ravensky | why, The BEatles or dcop? :P |
| 09:17.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | dcop? |
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| 09:17.10 | sredna | Back in the uss -- back in the uss -- ......... af 175 dB :o |
| 09:17.22 | Ravensky | http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/kdeqt/dcop.html |
| 09:17.32 | benJIman | Kamping_Kaiser: run kdcop to see the available functions |
| 09:17.47 | Ravensky | how about this song? |
| 09:17.49 | Ravensky | amaroK now playing: Sugarcult - Memory (0:10/3:46 04%) [192 kbps] Vol: 100% |
| 09:18.09 | sredna | I don't know what the is at all :| |
| 09:18.10 | goo | well. It's no better with startkde. startkde's /proc/pid/environ is perfectly sound, but for konqueror and kontact it's just full of \0 |
| 09:18.34 | Ravensky | sredna, what type of music do you listen to? |
| 09:19.13 | Ravensky | goo, what's your problem now? |
| 09:19.54 | sredna | Ravensky: Jazz (from bebop an on), classical (about any, including contemporary), pop (preferably female swedish singers for some obscure reason), rock, ... I really do like the Beatles ;) |
| 09:20.18 | Ravensky | heh |
| 09:20.38 | Ravensky | sredna, how old are you? you sound..umm...30ish? |
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| 09:21.02 | sredna | Ravensky: Uh, older than that |
| 09:21.10 | Ravensky | 103? |
| 09:21.10 | Ravensky | :P |
| 09:21.26 | sredna | Now calculate :o |
| 09:21.30 | Ravensky | uhhh |
| 09:21.36 | Ravensky | 64 |
| 09:21.42 | oGALAXYo | 44 |
| 09:21.46 | Ravensky | err |
| 09:21.46 | Ravensky | ya |
| 09:21.55 | sredna | You must get back to school Ravensky , or get the money back :o |
| 09:21.56 | Ravensky | (3:40ish AM) |
| 09:22.06 | Ravensky | err |
| 09:22.07 | Ravensky | 20ish |
| 09:22.14 | Ravensky | heh |
| 09:22.16 | Ravensky | I need sleep |
| 09:22.24 | Ravensky | was up till 6AM last 2 nights |
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| 09:26.35 | Ravensky | hmm |
| 09:26.48 | StevenR | sredna: you're only 2x+2 my age :) |
| 09:26.49 | Ravensky | what are KDE users' opinions on xfce4? |
| 09:27.12 | StevenR | sredna: or 2x+1, if you've not had your birthday this year |
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| 09:27.48 | StevenR | Ravensky: it's a good desktop, it's very fast, I'd prefer it on older machines where kde is too big to run |
| 09:28.08 | StevenR | i run a mix of kde and xfce here, depending what i want to do |
| 09:28.13 | PieD | Ravensky: XFCE doesn't have the same targets as KDE |
| 09:28.19 | Ravensky | PieD, I know |
| 09:28.38 | PieD | KDE is more a desktop with its own application, with great integration and technologies (DCOP, KIO, KParts...) |
| 09:28.38 | Ravensky | it's meant to be a minimalistic, yet still very featured, right? |
| 09:28.52 | Ravensky | kparts? |
| 09:28.59 | PieD | while xfce looks far far less featured for me, with no integration between applications... |
| 09:29.10 | PieD | kparts allows for instance konqueror to embed kpdf |
| 09:29.18 | StevenR | Ravensky: like having a pdf viewer inside konqueror, that's a kpdfpart |
| 09:29.24 | StevenR | PieD: SNAP! |
| 09:29.39 | PieD | SNAP ? |
| 09:29.43 | Ravensky | heh, funny thing is that I've been using KDE ever since I started using Linux a year ago, but just recently I've started using KDE apps (well, trying them at least) |
| 09:29.51 | StevenR | PieD: we mentioned the same example of kpart |
| 09:29.57 | PieD | :) |
| 09:30.03 | Ravensky | Firefox is still better than Konq. IMO, but it takes up more resources |
| 09:30.04 | PieD | we could also mention khtml :) |
| 09:30.11 | StevenR | true |
| 09:30.18 | PieD | Ravensky: I don't know where firefox is better than konq |
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| 09:30.23 | benJIman | firefox is slow, konqueror preloaded is nice, google in 0.085s mmmm |
| 09:30.42 | StevenR | depends what you want out of a web browser, they both are very good |
| 09:30.58 | Ravensky | and I still perfer Gaim to kopete |
| 09:31.06 | PieD | konqueror can integrate with a good download manager (kget) |
| 09:31.20 | Ravensky | I would use kopete is it didnt give me connection errors every 5 seconds :P |
| 09:31.28 | PieD | konqueror has a far nicer look than firefox |
| 09:31.36 | sredna | StevenR: :) |
| 09:31.40 | PieD | (I hate every gtk theme) |
| 09:31.50 | PieD | Ravensky: can you give me the bug report number ? |
| 09:31.57 | StevenR | sredna: 2x+1 or 2x+2 ? |
| 09:31.57 | sredna | I'm pleased to tell you kids that I still feel young ;) |
| 09:32.05 | Ravensky | I have all GTK apps to use my KDE theme |
| 09:32.07 | sredna | 2x1+1 |
| 09:32.25 | PieD | Ravensky: I don't use gtk-qt because it is a buggy hack for me |
| 09:32.27 | Ravensky | PieD, eh? I didnt report anything, because it was the MSN servers, not kopete itself |
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| 09:32.34 | PieD | some applications are unusable because of that |
| 09:32.36 | benJIman | simplest solution is not to use any gtk apps |
| 09:32.36 | internat | ok so stupid question, how do i set up dual screens |
| 09:32.37 | sredna | Gtg, bbl |
| 09:32.42 | Ravensky | PieD, like which ones? |
| 09:32.48 | Ravensky | I havent had any problems with it |
| 09:32.48 | StevenR | ttfn sredna |
| 09:32.50 | PieD | azureus |
| 09:33.00 | PieD | the only gtk application I used sometimes |
| 09:33.00 | Ravensky | Azureus works fine for me |
| 09:33.04 | benJIman | PieD: what problem have you noticed with azureus? |
| 09:33.06 | PieD | (before I discovered ktorrent) |
| 09:33.08 | PieD | memleak |
| 09:33.16 | PieD | incredible and huge memleak if I use gtk-qt |
| 09:33.19 | benJIman | ah is that down to gtk-qt |
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| 09:33.40 | Ravensky | PieD, where can I see ktorrent at? |
| 09:33.55 | StevenR | i use pan over knode...its caching feature is great for me cos my isp's newserver is so sucky |
| 09:34.01 | PieD | my 2Gb of swap starts being totally eaten when I use azureus with gtk-qt |
| 09:34.16 | PieD | http://lumumba.uhasselt.be/~joris/ktorrent/ (thanks google) |
| 09:34.21 | Ravensky | PieD, I've never had that problem, hmm |
| 09:34.33 | StevenR | one thing i really like about ffox is the tabbar down the left side instead of the top |
| 09:34.40 | Ravensky | I really need a better comp :P |
| 09:34.50 | Ravensky | and to either upgrade or replace the gaming comp |
| 09:34.59 | Ravensky | PieD, isnt loading |
| 09:35.18 | PieD | Ravensky: I saw that it isn't loading but that's the official website... |
| 09:35.27 | PieD | http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:fto4tsOdTDIJ:lumumba.uhasselt.be/~joris/ktorrent/+ktorrent&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8 |
| 09:35.28 | mobtek | PieD: weird never had that prob either with azureus and gtk-qt |
| 09:36.06 | Ravensky | hmm, why does Google cache always take so long... |
| 09:36.16 | benJIman | I have had mem leak with azureus and stopped using it, didn't think it was gtk-qt though, not even sure I was using it at the time |
| 09:36.37 | PieD | benJIman: when I use azureus with gtk-qt, it leaks |
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| 09:36.50 | benJIman | it was always a memory whore anyway |
| 09:36.56 | PieD | without gtk-qt, it consumes a lot of memory, but no leak |
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| 09:37.32 | oGALAXYo | http://zero.uselessjunk.org/videos/brazilianwax.WMV not work and wife save :) |
| 09:37.42 | mobtek | haha |
| 09:37.59 | Ravensky | they need to make Gmail compatible with Konqueror (or the other way around) |
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| 09:39.08 | Ravensky | gooooooo! |
| 09:39.24 | benJIman | gmail works in konqueror |
| 09:39.45 | Ravensky | I know it *works*, but it's not the full thing like in Firefox |
| 09:39.51 | mobtek | oGALAXYo: I'll see if my wife will watch it :P |
| 09:39.54 | canllaith | Actually, it does in SVN trunk |
| 09:39.54 | goo | I was in the wrong earlier. Kontact has a just fine envrion entry in /proc. it's kdeinit and kio_smtp that doesn't behave like other processes (look, no usage of the world normal) |
| 09:39.58 | benJIman | no the full version works too ravenskey |
| 09:40.21 | canllaith | If you mimic firefox in the user agent |
| 09:40.27 | Ravensky | "For a better Gmail experience, use a fully supported browser. Learn more" |
| 09:40.27 | benJIman | Ravensky: you have to pretend to be firefox |
| 09:40.47 | benJIman | tools -> change browser identification -> firefox 1.0 |
| 09:40.50 | Ravensky | benJIman, I do |
| 09:40.51 | canllaith | Yes, that is because google are serving up konqueror a crippled page deliberately. If you pretend to be firefox it works. |
| 09:40.57 | Ravensky | hmm |
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| 09:41.36 | Ravensky | I have gmail.google.com set for Firefox 1.0 |
| 09:41.38 | Ravensky | hmm |
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| 09:41.48 | goo | cat /proc/`ps aux | grep kontact$ | awk '{print $2}' | tail -1 `/environ | tr '\0' '\n' is just fine, try doing that to kdeinit... |
| 09:42.04 | benJIman | Ravensky: what version of konqueror? |
| 09:42.11 | mobtek | weird gmail seems to work ok with konqi for me |
| 09:42.24 | benJIman | I built this thismorning, not sure how it was in 3.4 |
| 09:42.27 | Ravensky | 3.4.1 |
| 09:42.50 | Ravensky | I know gmail WORKS, but it isnt full featured like in Firefox |
| 09:43.00 | Ravensky | like keyboard shortcuts |
| 09:43.17 | Ravensky | ...and changing settings |
| 09:43.18 | benJIman | Ravensky: the full thing works in konqueror at least for me |
| 09:43.22 | Ravensky | odd |
| 09:43.42 | Ravensky | can I get a subversion version of Konq? |
| 09:43.43 | benJIman | Ravensky: go use the feedback on gmail |
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| 09:45.50 | benJIman | not sure about just konqueror |
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| 09:46.30 | Ravensky | I'll just grab the whole kdebase |
| 09:46.48 | benJIman | khtml is in kdelibs |
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| 09:46.57 | Ravensky | do |
| 09:46.58 | Ravensky | h |
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| 09:47.23 | benJIman | I did update khtml without anything else a while back, don't know if it's always possible |
| 09:47.39 | Ravensky | I'll try ;) |
| 09:47.50 | Ravensky | ...after kdebase is done checking out |
| 09:48.18 | Ravensky | although KDE is really nice, it's a bit HUGE if you install all of its components |
| 09:48.47 | oGALAXYo | no its not huge.. |
| 09:49.13 | Ravensky | yes it is |
| 09:49.24 | oGALAXYo | no and i am going to prove you wrong in some seconds |
| 09:49.38 | Ravensky | takes this comp well over 24 hours to compile everything |
| 09:49.55 | oGALAXYo | 619M for GNOME CVS + evolution + firefox + rare tools |
| 09:49.57 | benJIman | Ravensky: gcc-c++ isn't particularly fast |
| 09:50.07 | oGALAXYo | 741M for KDE SVN full installed.. |
| 09:50.14 | oGALAXYo | Ravensky: kde takes 7 hrs to compile here. |
| 09:50.16 | canllaith | You don't have to install everything |
| 09:50.22 | Ravensky | canllaith, I know |
| 09:50.30 | canllaith | arts/kdelibs/kdebase |
| 09:50.33 | canllaith | is all that is required |
| 09:50.33 | benJIman | takes <1.5hrs for kdelibs+kdebase anyay |
| 09:50.41 | oGALAXYo | you dont need arts either. |
| 09:50.47 | canllaith | Only if you compile --withoutarts |
| 09:50.49 | Ravensky | heh, the svn checkout has been going for over 5 min now :P |
| 09:50.51 | canllaith | and it causes problems |
| 09:51.03 | canllaith | You are much better to build arts, then disable it in the control center if you don't want to use it |
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| 09:51.31 | Ravensky | none of my KDE stuff compiled with debugging :P |
| 09:51.37 | oGALAXYo | Ravensky: http://rafb.net/paste/results/nw5iF254.html i measured kde svn compile times with gcc 3.4.4 and gcc 4.0.1 look here.. |
| 09:51.58 | oGALAXYo | i was able to save over 3 hrs compile time with gcc 4.0.1 over gcc 3.4.4 |
| 09:52.09 | oGALAXYo | and you can save even more time if you compile kde with pch enabled. |
| 09:52.21 | oGALAXYo | this requires that you have * > gcc 3.4.x |
| 09:52.38 | Ravensky | pch? |
| 09:52.47 | oGALAXYo | pre compiled headers |
| 09:52.49 | benJIman | those compile times are quite quick for a 2600+ |
| 09:53.08 | Ravensky | I've never compiled KDE on my own, I've only done it through the Gentoo portage |
| 09:53.10 | oGALAXYo | pre compiled headers is a feature introduced by gcc some months ago.. |
| 09:53.42 | oGALAXYo | rapidly reduces compile time again.... maybe you end up in compiling kde in 5 hrs than in 7 hrs as shown with my setup. |
| 09:53.49 | oGALAXYo | benJIman: yep... |
| 09:54.46 | Ravensky | well, I have a 1ghz p3 with 512 PC133 RAM |
| 09:54.47 | benJIman | oGALAXYo: that with unsermake ? |
| 09:54.52 | oGALAXYo | no |
| 09:55.10 | oGALAXYo | normal auto* |
| 09:55.20 | benJIman | seems faster with unsermake , might just be imagining it though, i'll have to time without sometime |
| 09:55.34 | oGALAXYo | using http://www.akcaagac.com/tools/files/shell/getkde.sh and http://www.akcaagac.com/tools/files/shell/kdemake.sh |
| 09:55.45 | Ravensky | oGALAXYo, which distro do you use? |
| 09:55.51 | oGALAXYo | my own |
| 09:55.58 | oGALAXYo | i dont use any particular known distribution. |
| 09:56.13 | Ravensky | LFS? |
| 09:56.18 | oGALAXYo | the entire system i am running is build out of sources.. even using my own init scripts |
| 09:56.28 | oGALAXYo | no, i said its not a known distribution.. LFS is known :) |
| 09:57.59 | Ravensky | umm, is this subversion checkout ever going to end? |
| 09:58.12 | oGALAXYo | svn checkout can be really timeconsuming. |
| 09:58.17 | benJIman | depends on your connection |
| 09:58.27 | Ravensky | comcast |
| 09:58.30 | Ravensky | ;) |
| 09:58.30 | oGALAXYo | a simple UPDATE of the already checked out stuff can easily take 1 hr with 1mbit dsl |
| 09:58.38 | Ravensky | umm |
| 09:58.43 | Ravensky | I'm doing a full checkout |
| 09:58.46 | Ravensky | craaaap |
| 09:58.49 | Ravensky | this might take a while |
| 09:58.56 | benJIman | you can always ctrl-c it |
| 09:59.12 | Ravensky | I could...but I'll just let it run |
| 09:59.40 | oGALAXYo | Ravensky: actually its not hard to setup a full linux system from scratch using sources... |
| 09:59.41 | goo | I had to set KDE_FORK_SLAVES=1 to make the bloody kio_* thingys behave. |
| 09:59.49 | goo | Now I can actually get their environment. |
| 09:59.58 | Ravensky | oGALAXYo, you just need to know what you're doing ;) |
| 10:00.07 | Ravensky | oGALAXYo, how long have you been using *nix? |
| 10:00.28 | oGALAXYo | Ravensky: since 1996 ... but had some unixish stuff running on amiga before as well.. |
| 10:00.52 | Ravensky | oGALAXYo, I've only been using it for about a year or so |
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| 10:02.11 | crs | re |
| 10:02.14 | Solak | Hello. |
| 10:02.30 | crs | Any one use kAudioCreator with musepack encoder? |
| 10:03.55 | oGALAXYo | Ravensky: i must admit that i need to deal with changes myself too... the open source movement as well as tools, configuration environment, changes, huge refactoring are happening.. whenever i recompile a new system (which happens) that i need to deal with these changes too.. |
| 10:04.40 | oGALAXYo | one of the major changes for my next system will be changing devfs to udev (which i kinda hate)... |
| 10:05.04 | oGALAXYo | i heard that devfs will soon be entirely dropped from the kernel.. so sooner or later i need to deal with these changes too and i am not really a friend of udev. |
| 10:05.38 | canllaith | I plut in my iPod, it is /dev/iPod. I plug in my usb disk it is /dev/usbhd. I plug in my camera and it is /dev/cybershot |
| 10:05.47 | oGALAXYo | i hope that the hotplug-ng stuff will mature.. i hate the hotplug scripts mess |
| 10:05.54 | canllaith | none of this figuring out which of /dev/sd? the bloody device is based on how many I have plugged in today |
| 10:05.57 | Ravensky | omgwtfbbq! the SVN checkout finished |
| 10:06.01 | Ravensky | ...for kdebase |
| 10:06.26 | Ravensky | hmm |
| 10:06.46 | Ravensky | when I plug in my camera, it's /dev/sda1 (at least that's what I use) |
| 10:06.53 | Ravensky | hmm |
| 10:07.13 | canllaith | heh |
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| 10:07.17 | canllaith | Try plugging in another camera first |
| 10:07.21 | canllaith | then plug in a second usb camera |
| 10:07.23 | oGALAXYo | i only have a cardreader applied to my usb.. |
| 10:07.24 | Ravensky | I need to edit my fstab so I can just mount /mnt/usb instead of running "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb" each time I want to use it |
| 10:07.24 | canllaith | then a usb hard disk |
| 10:07.31 | canllaith | then a card reader with multiple disks in it |
| 10:07.33 | canllaith | then an iPod |
| 10:07.41 | canllaith | and try to calculate in your head which /dev/sd? device the iPod is ;) |
| 10:07.55 | Ravensky | I dont think I have that many USB posts :P |
| 10:07.57 | canllaith | a ? b? c? d? e? f? g? |
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| 10:08.09 | Ravensky | I actually just bought a USB hub, 5 ports |
| 10:08.11 | Solak | hmm, some applications I add with apt-get under debian (stable) don't show up in the kmenu, what could cause this? I remember to have a section 'Debian', but that isn't visible either. |
| 10:08.15 | Ravensky | my comp not has a total of 6 USB |
| 10:08.17 | canllaith | :P I do, unfortunately. |
| 10:08.22 | canllaith | Solak: hrm, try kappfinder ? |
| 10:08.36 | canllaith | I have 1 port on my monitor, 6 on the pc |
| 10:08.58 | Ravensky | is there any way to hide the useless device nodes in /dev/? |
| 10:09.01 | Solak | canllaith: thanks! |
| 10:10.05 | Ravensky | 1535 devices in /dev/... |
| 10:10.15 | Ravensky | ...and I only use maybe 10 at most |
| 10:10.19 | canllaith | omg |
| 10:10.23 | canllaith | you're using a static dev ? :| |
| 10:10.30 | Ravensky | apparently so |
| 10:10.37 | canllaith | udev only shows devices that are really there |
| 10:10.46 | Ravensky | I HAVE udev though |
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| 10:11.01 | oGALAXYo | canllaith the same that devfs did |
| 10:11.20 | Ravensky | but I do have /dev/cdroms/, which udev adds I think (along with other stuff) |
| 10:11.29 | Solak | hmm, it doesn't find sylpheed-claws... |
| 10:11.39 | Solak | ok, I can add that one manualy. |
| 10:11.43 | canllaith | Solak: perhaps you might want to add it to the menu system manually :) |
| 10:11.44 | oGALAXYo | Solak: kde has kmail |
| 10:13.11 | Solak | oGALAXYo: I know, but I'm just used to sylpheed. |
| 10:13.20 | Solak | canllaith: yeah :) |
| 10:13.41 | Ravensky | I had RC_USE_FSTAB="no" in /etc/conf.d/rc |
| 10:14.12 | canllaith | Hrm, what is that? I guess this is a gentoo thing or something? |
| 10:14.27 | Ravensky | I guess |
| 10:14.41 | Ravensky | # UDEV OPTION: |
| 10:14.41 | Ravensky | # Set to "yes" if you want to save /dev to a tarball on shutdown |
| 10:14.41 | Ravensky | # and restore it on startup. This is useful if you have a lot of |
| 10:14.41 | Ravensky | # custom device nodes that udev does not handle/know about. |
| 10:14.41 | Ravensky | RC_DEVICE_TARBALL="yes" |
| 10:14.56 | Ravensky | the Gentoo docs says put that to no |
| 10:15.08 | canllaith | I suspect that would stop you having so many /dev nodes |
| 10:15.11 | oGALAXYo | hah what bs is that |
| 10:15.19 | oGALAXYo | tar'ing up dev.. |
| 10:15.31 | oGALAXYo | looks like udev is quite immature.. |
| 10:15.37 | Ravensky | hmm |
| 10:15.42 | Ravensky | I guess I should reboot |
| 10:15.42 | canllaith | Works fine on all the machines I've used it on. |
| 10:15.49 | Ravensky | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.51 | Ravensky | :P |
| 10:15.54 | canllaith | I haven't found any hardware yet either that doesn't work properly with it |
| 10:16.01 | canllaith | heh bah, uptime isn't real unless you're at least in 3 digits |
| 10:16.14 | Ravensky | my longest uptime is 32 days, heh |
| 10:16.14 | oGALAXYo | dunno, i mean i have not the best opinion of udev, dealing with it for quite some time it only ensures my opinion and now seeing this makes me add that udev is quite whacky.. |
| 10:16.20 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/uptime.png |
| 10:16.34 | Ravensky | nice :) |
| 10:16.41 | canllaith | oGALAXYo: really? seeing the distro specific gentoo script makes me assume gentoo is quite whacky, rather than udev ;) |
| 10:17.00 | oGALAXYo | i dont know much about gentoo to say the truth. |
| 10:17.06 | Ravensky | is it just me or is Plastik the only good looking KDE window deco? :P |
| 10:17.20 | canllaith | knifty is nice and smooth blend too |
| 10:17.23 | benJIman | Ravensky: there are lots of nice ones on kde-look.org |
| 10:17.24 | canllaith | but I'm very fond of plastik :) |
| 10:17.29 | benJIman | I'm using knifty |
| 10:17.32 | Ravensky | I dont like smooth blend |
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| 10:17.43 | oGALAXYo | i use plastik with nuvola icons. |
| 10:17.58 | oGALAXYo | http://img99.echo.cx/my.php?image=snapshot39vf.jpg |
| 10:18.05 | benJIman | http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/lipstik.png that's knifty |
| 10:18.11 | Ravensky | and I apparently dont have Knifty installed ATM |
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| 10:18.13 | benJIman | and lipstik the theme |
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| 10:18.50 | canllaith | Smooth blend is nice if you try to make it look like a slightly tweaked plastik ;) |
| 10:18.58 | benJIman | anyone know what the keyboard shortcut to turn off the access keys thing in konqueror is? I keep turning them on by mistake |
| 10:19.01 | Ravensky | benJIman, is that Gaim IRC? |
| 10:19.14 | benJIman | Ravensky: no i'm using kopete |
| 10:19.16 | benJIman | why? |
| 10:19.35 | oGALAXYo | and i am using clearlooks on gnome http://img261.echo.cx/my.php?image=screenshot5xg.png |
| 10:19.48 | oGALAXYo | err wrong screenshot... |
| 10:19.50 | benJIman | gnome? |
| 10:19.51 | Ravensky | rofl |
| 10:19.52 | mobtek | hahahaha |
| 10:20.05 | benJIman | rofl |
| 10:20.08 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/desktop1.png |
| 10:20.32 | Ravensky | heh, irssi :P |
| 10:20.54 | oGALAXYo | http://img130.echo.cx/my.php?image=screenshotgenesihome2hl.png |
| 10:20.57 | oGALAXYo | i meant that one |
| 10:21.04 | Ravensky | I dont get why people use irssi if you have X running. If you have X, use it |
| 10:21.06 | canllaith | iMac, linux desktop, linux laptop |
| 10:21.14 | benJIman | Ravensky: why do you ask? |
| 10:21.26 | canllaith | Because then I don't have to kill/logout irc on a machine that's downstairs to get on irc upstairs and see what's happening? |
| 10:21.49 | Ravensky | ...oh |
| 10:22.07 | canllaith | screen + irssi is great for leaving it running on a server then logging in from varying machines |
| 10:22.10 | benJIman | Ravensky: irssi is nice for running in a screen on a remote machine |
| 10:22.17 | canllaith | specially with the iMac |
| 10:22.18 | benJIman | heh |
| 10:22.22 | canllaith | Can't find any decent OSX IRC clients |
| 10:22.30 | Ravensky | xchat aqua! |
| 10:22.37 | canllaith | Yeah, it's ok. |
| 10:22.47 | canllaith | can't stand colloquy |
| 10:22.58 | benJIman | someone linked me to a gui-irssi type thing for osx a while back, can't remember where it was |
| 10:23.06 | canllaith | colloquy. |
| 10:23.08 | canllaith | It's awful. |
| 10:23.16 | canllaith | It's using irssi backend |
| 10:23.36 | canllaith | There is another irssi based client that I couldn't get working stably. So much easier to use screen. |
| 10:23.46 | Ravensky | I just use xchat, whether on Linux or windows |
| 10:23.53 | benJIman | grrr I've turned on accesskeys in this kopete window, can't turn them off |
| 10:24.00 | benJIman | Ravensky: but that's gtk :/ |
| 10:24.06 | goo | does KDE_FORK_SLAVES have any other side-effects than making kio_slaves having a proper environment? |
| 10:24.14 | benJIman | Ravensky: tried konversation? |
| 10:24.26 | Ravensky | yes, I have |
| 10:24.33 | canllaith | Konvi is getting very very nice. |
| 10:24.34 | Sho_ | canllaithn: Snak & Colloquy are pretty good on the Mac |
| 10:24.43 | Ravensky | it's nice, but I still like xchat better |
| 10:24.55 | canllaith | Sho_: no, they're not. They're bloody awful if you're using a g3. |
| 10:25.18 | canllaith | On the dual g5 they run ok. On the g3 machines colloquy in particular runs dog slow. |
| 10:25.36 | oGALAXYo | g3 without altivec is slow yes.. |
| 10:25.49 | canllaith | g3 runs every other app fine. |
| 10:25.52 | Sho_ | canllaith: Snak, too? I can see how Colloquy might have performance probs, since it's using XSL and WebCore for the presentational layer, but Snak should be fairly fast, I thought .. |
| 10:25.57 | oGALAXYo | beginning with g4 you can use the benefits of altivec and pull a lot of stuff through its vector unit. |
| 10:26.06 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/fotos/cuteness.jpg |
| 10:26.10 | oGALAXYo | good for huge memory movements, sorting of lists and stuff like that |
| 10:26.15 | canllaith | There is nothing wrong with the speed of the g3, the app is shit. |
| 10:26.19 | benJIman | http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/accesskeys.png anyone know how to turn these off |
| 10:26.19 | Ravensky | wee! old iMacs! |
| 10:26.34 | oGALAXYo | benJIman: yes, press either shift, alt, or ctrl |
| 10:26.37 | canllaith | It runs safari/iChat/iTunes all that jazz fast. |
| 10:26.40 | canllaith | Ravensky: aint they cute? :) |
| 10:26.42 | PhilRod | benJIman: hit Ctrl |
| 10:26.48 | benJIman | PhilRod: not working |
| 10:27.04 | Sho_ | canllaith: Give Snak a try if you haven't done so yet :) |
| 10:27.05 | PhilRod | canllaith: heh, I was expecting baby birds or something :-) |
| 10:27.17 | canllaith | PhilRod: heh you just don't know me all that well I guess |
| 10:27.34 | benJIman | oGALAXYo: yes but it's not turning them off |
| 10:27.44 | benJIman | I think ctrl- turns them on |
| 10:27.46 | benJIman | but not off |
| 10:27.51 | mobtek | aren't those imacs really slow canllaith ? |
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| 10:28.00 | canllaith | mobtek: nope. I photoshop on the green one |
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| 10:28.07 | canllaith | mobtek: 450MHz 640MB memory |
| 10:28.17 | mobtek | not too bad :) |
| 10:28.22 | canllaith | It's a unix, once you load everything and it's in memory it's reasonably fast |
| 10:28.26 | canllaith | as long as it doesn't have to hit the disk much |
| 10:28.35 | mobtek | we had a 400Mhz G3 at work, it was horrible |
| 10:28.51 | canllaith | Mine was horrible till I got more memory for it. OSX is a pig for memory. |
| 10:29.06 | oGALAXYo | mobtek: i have a 1ghz g4 covering dust here .... not in use.. |
| 10:29.09 | mobtek | yeah my mate andrew now has 2gb in his G5 |
| 10:29.09 | canllaith | Hrm I should take a photo of hal with his pretty new silver TFT :) |
| 10:29.23 | mobtek | oGALAXYo: heh I will pay for shipping :) |
| 10:29.25 | canllaith | Yeah, we got more memory for the g5 today. It now has 1.5 |
| 10:29.26 | Ravensky | other than using that Universal Sidebar thing, is there any way to "docK" the Kopete window? |
| 10:29.31 | oGALAXYo | mobtek: its a pegasos 2 |
| 10:29.41 | canllaith | It's pretty damn nice |
| 10:29.47 | benJIman | Ravensky: isn't that what it's for? |
| 10:29.58 | benJIman | the universal sidebar |
| 10:30.00 | canllaith | then again anything that has 2x 64 bit cpu and a gig and a half of ram SHOULD run nice. |
| 10:30.10 | mobtek | hehe |
| 10:30.19 | mobtek | oGALAXYo: pics? :) |
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| 10:30.46 | oGALAXYo | mobtek: http://www.bplan-gmbh.de/gfx/pegasos2/pegasos2_art_d.html |
| 10:31.10 | Ravensky | rofl, I just added the Universal Side bar and it crashed the panel |
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| 10:31.14 | oGALAXYo | mobtek: put in that case http://www.techcase.de/bilder/shop/a106.jpg |
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| 10:31.32 | oGALAXYo | i actually use that case as tower.. |
| 10:32.13 | oGALAXYo | microATX chrp PPC board.. modular CPU socket.. |
| 10:32.23 | oGALAXYo | i got a 1ghz g4 sitting ontop of it. |
| 10:32.40 | oGALAXYo | i could use it but then i keep using my xp2600 atm because it has more power. |
| 10:32.48 | mobtek | heh |
| 10:32.57 | Ravensky | umm |
| 10:33.10 | oGALAXYo | ok called for lunch |
| 10:33.17 | Ravensky | Universal Sidebar keeps crashing the panel when I add it |
| 10:33.22 | mobtek | hehe cya |
| 10:33.25 | canllaith | Oh, that's easily fixed |
| 10:33.25 | Ravensky | ..and it didnt auto-restart this time |
| 10:33.27 | canllaith | Don't add it :) |
| 10:33.33 | canllaith | alt f2; kicker |
| 10:33.44 | Ravensky | and kopete gives me a Crash Handler thingy whenever I close it |
| 10:34.04 | Ravensky | I really need to recompile KDE with debugging on |
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| 10:36.19 | canllaith | If you update kdelibs it doesn't do it anymore |
| 10:36.51 | Ravensky | I'm running make -f Makefile.cvs right now on kdelibs ;) |
| 10:38.35 | Ravensky | *snore* |
| 10:39.00 | Ravensky | hmm, kdelibs is the biggest part of kde (to compile anyway) :| |
| 10:39.09 | hellz_hunter | anyone know the command/method i need to use to get Xnest to show KDM instead of just automatically logging in as the user that started the Xnest so that i can view the KDM themes that i want to preview? |
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| 10:40.23 | canllaith | Well, you can do it via xdmcp |
| 10:40.29 | canllaith | with Xnest -query localhost |
| 10:40.33 | canllaith | assuming kdm is set up to allow that |
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| 10:43.56 | Ravensky | sleeeeeep time |
| 10:43.57 | Ravensky | :P |
| 10:44.04 | Ravensky | Wed Jul 6 04:44:07 MDT 2005 |
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| 10:45.38 | Real_Mouse | ey |
| 10:45.48 | Real_Mouse | 9,1.::13,1{11,1@13,1}9,1::.11,1 http://www.jave.de/player/demos.html 9,1.::13,1{11,1@13,1}9,1::. |
| 10:45.53 | Real_Mouse | 9,1.::13,1{11,1@13,1}9,1::.11,1 http://www.geocities.com/kb_popups/tsmp3.html 9,1.::13,1{11,1@13,1}9,1::. |
| 10:46.20 | Real_Mouse | 14To get 13K12B11-3L97i13ster4II12.11M3®9C |
| 10:46.21 | Real_Mouse | 14Paste:4 /dccallow +Real_Mouse |
| 10:46.21 | Real_Mouse | 14Paste:4 /DCC ignore off |
| 10:46.21 | Real_Mouse | 14Paste:4 ¿KB-ListerII.mrc?Real_Mouse |
| 10:46.27 | Ravensky | spaaaaam |
| 10:46.31 | Real_Mouse | YAY |
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| 10:46.38 | Real_Mouse | thats not spam! |
| 10:46.40 | hellz_hunter | whoopsy dasy |
| 10:46.59 | Ravensky | spaaaaam |
| 10:47.00 | Real_Mouse | What is this Chann about ??!??! |
| 10:47.07 | Ravensky | Real_Mouse, KDE.... |
| 10:47.08 | hellz_hunter | i guess i shouldnt 'killall xinit' |
| 10:47.08 | Real_Mouse | Unknown Factoid/Command |
| 10:47.15 | Ravensky | Real_Mouse, idiot |
| 10:47.16 | Real_Mouse | Unknown Factoid/Command |
| 10:47.19 | Real_Mouse | i should just test it |
| 10:47.19 | Ravensky | Real_Mouse, leave |
| 10:47.20 | Real_Mouse | Unknown Factoid/Command |
| 10:47.21 | Real_Mouse | sorry |
| 10:47.28 | Real_Mouse | what is this channel about ??? |
| 10:47.35 | hellz_hunter | kde |
| 10:47.40 | Real_Mouse | kde ?? |
| 10:47.46 | Ravensky | Real_Mouse, are you a bot, or a bot/person? |
| 10:47.46 | Real_Mouse | Unknown Factoid/Command |
| 10:47.50 | Ravensky | kde |
| 10:47.53 | Real_Mouse | im both |
| 10:48.00 | Ravensky | Real_Mouse, turn the bot off |
| 10:48.00 | *** mode/#kde [+o canllaith] by ChanServ |
| 10:48.01 | Real_Mouse | Unknown Factoid/Command |
| 10:48.02 | *** join/#kde Eybot (~Alice@0x50c62857.albnxx9.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 10:48.07 | Eybot | hello |
| 10:48.09 | hellz_hunter | hi |
| 10:48.27 | Eybot | I'm |
| 10:48.38 | canllaith | Real_Mouse: turn off the bot please.... |
| 10:48.39 | Real_Mouse | Unknown Factoid/Command |
| 10:48.48 | Real_Mouse | it off now |
| 10:48.58 | Real_Mouse | but its online |
| 10:49.05 | *** part/#kde Eybot (~Alice@0x50c62857.albnxx9.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 10:49.05 | Ravensky | it's really annoying |
| 10:49.08 | hellz_hunter | yep |
| 10:49.14 | Real_Mouse | WHAT IS THIS CHANNEL ABOUT ?!?!?! |
| 10:49.23 | Ravensky | Real_Mouse, ... |
| 10:49.23 | hellz_hunter | kde linux desktop environment |
| 10:49.24 | Real_Mouse | Unknown Factoid/Command |
| 10:49.27 | Ravensky | ffs |
| 10:49.30 | *** mode/#kde [+b *!*eal_mouse@*.albnxx9.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] by canllaith |
| 10:49.31 | Ravensky | canllaith, kick |
| 10:49.34 | *** kick/#kde [Real_Mouse!~dessa@jhall.kde] by canllaith (canllaith) |
| 10:49.34 | Ravensky | that too |
| 10:49.35 | Ravensky | lol |
| 10:49.37 | hellz_hunter | lol |
| 10:49.39 | StevenR | ty canllaith |
| 10:49.42 | *** mode/#kde [-o canllaith] by canllaith |
| 10:49.42 | hellz_hunter | thx you very much |
| 10:49.45 | canllaith | yw |
| 10:49.56 | canllaith | Hey there StevenR :) Long time no chat |
| 10:49.59 | hellz_hunter | so anyways, im having trouble getting Xnest to just show KDM and not KDE |
| 10:50.13 | oGALAXYo | back from lunch.. |
| 10:50.20 | hellz_hunter | ive figured out how to get kde to boot up, but i dont want it to login as the user that starts Xnest, i want it to have the KDM prompt |
| 10:50.25 | hellz_hunter | hi oGALAXYo :) |
| 10:50.26 | StevenR | canllaith: yeah, not been around much...writing report....kile is so cool for theses |
| 10:50.40 | canllaith | :) fair enough |
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| 10:51.20 | ouht | hello |
| 10:51.23 | ouht | heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh |
| 10:51.24 | hellz_hunter | hi |
| 10:51.31 | hellz_hunter | i think its the same guy |
| 10:51.31 | SchopfeR | ? |
| 10:51.35 | SchopfeR | !kick ouht |
| 10:51.39 | Ravensky | it's Real_Mouse |
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| 10:51.46 | hellz_hunter | ouht, |
| 10:51.55 | canllaith | how tedious |
| 10:51.57 | StevenR | canllaith: and i won't see my gf for ages prolly...she hopefully had her jaw op yesterday |
| 10:52.03 | oGALAXYo | canllaith *!*@*.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk |
| 10:52.05 | oGALAXYo | solves it |
| 10:52.06 | Ravensky | canllaith, ban the host, not the user |
| 10:52.06 | canllaith | StevenR: I hope everything went well |
| 10:52.09 | ouht | heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh |
| 10:52.13 | SchopfeR | stfu ouht |
| 10:52.15 | oGALAXYo | ouht: fuck off twit |
| 10:52.16 | hellz_hunter | StevenR, hopefully? u dont like her talking? :) |
| 10:52.16 | *** mode/#kde [+o canllaith] by ChanServ |
| 10:52.21 | StevenR | canllaith: so do i, might phone her mum and find out |
| 10:52.23 | *** mode/#kde [+q ouht!*@*] by canllaith |
| 10:52.28 | canllaith | :) what was the op for? |
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| 10:52.34 | SchopfeR | Thx canllaith |
| 10:52.41 | hellz_hunter | thx again |
| 10:52.47 | StevenR | hellz_hunter: jaw op to allow her teeth to meet |
| 10:52.51 | hellz_hunter | ooo ok |
| 10:52.54 | hellz_hunter | i hope she does ok too |
| 10:53.09 | hellz_hunter | she has guts, i dont like any surgery with teeth/jaw |
| 10:53.18 | oGALAXYo | i am now being queried. |
| 10:53.27 | oGALAXYo | with lines of hehehehe |
| 10:53.33 | hellz_hunter | :-P |
| 10:53.34 | StevenR | hellz_hunter: she'll still be able to talk, but she's gonna get her dad to setup the broadband on her lappy so she can msn me instead of having painful phone chats |
| 10:53.43 | hellz_hunter | oo ok |
| 10:53.44 | Ravensky | I wonder if lilo is around.... |
| 10:53.46 | StevenR | oGALAXYo: /ignore |
| 10:53.53 | canllaith | even better, /silence |
| 10:54.03 | StevenR | 8-| |
| 10:54.10 | StevenR | i didn't know about /silence |
| 10:54.22 | hellz_hunter | im sorry to sound like a broken mp3, but does anyone have any ideas on how to get Xnest to show me KDM instead of just starting kde as the user that executed the Xnest? |
| 10:54.33 | canllaith | hellz_hunter: xdmcp, Xnest :0 -query localhost |
| 10:54.36 | hellz_hunter | im starting to run out of my own ideas |
| 10:54.40 | canllaith | it requires you to have your kdm set up for xdmcp |
| 10:55.01 | hellz_hunter | xdmcp is a command? or is that just what u r referring to? |
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| 10:55.12 | hellz_hunter | i have KDM setup for xdmcp i edited the kdmrc |
| 10:55.25 | snugglemonkey | princess canllaith, good morning. ;) |
| 10:55.41 | oGALAXYo | ok the software patents issue is gone... |
| 10:55.46 | oGALAXYo | NO SOFTWARE PATENTS .... |
| 10:55.52 | Ravensky | eh? |
| 10:55.52 | hellz_hunter | they said no?? |
| 10:55.54 | oGALAXYo | EU JUST DECIDED TO NOT HAVE IT! |
| 10:55.55 | StevenR | w00t! |
| 10:55.57 | hellz_hunter | w00t |
| 10:56.06 | hellz_hunter | did they give their reason why? |
| 10:56.07 | benJIman | oGALAXYo: not sure it's final yet? |
| 10:56.25 | oGALAXYo | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/61446 |
| 10:56.49 | hellz_hunter | do'h its in german |
| 10:56.55 | Ravensky | babelfish! |
| 10:57.04 | Ravensky | wow |
| 10:57.08 | Ravensky | still as unreadable :P |
| 10:58.29 | StevenR | ouch...this G8 march thing is not going down well....http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4653545.stm |
| 11:00.08 | hellz_hunter | lol |
| 11:00.15 | hellz_hunter | what is this G8? |
| 11:00.40 | StevenR | meeting of the leaders of the 8 most powerful nations |
| 11:00.46 | oGALAXYo | meeting of some high administrative fraggles debatting about this and that. |
| 11:00.52 | StevenR | it's a big boys club |
| 11:01.07 | StevenR | or a club for those people who think they are big boys |
| 11:01.09 | Ravensky | US, France, Germany, Japan, Russia...umm... |
| 11:01.16 | StevenR | UK |
| 11:01.18 | Ravensky | ya |
| 11:01.19 | Ravensky | heh |
| 11:01.35 | Ravensky | sleeeeeep |
| 11:01.35 | Ravensky | bye |
| 11:01.37 | Ravensky | 5 AM |
| 11:01.39 | StevenR | china? canada |
| 11:02.32 | internat | isnt australia in G8 as well? |
| 11:02.43 | dstambou | internat: no |
| 11:02.48 | dstambou | G7 + russia |
| 11:03.14 | internat | oh ok, interestinbg |
| 11:03.34 | dstambou | uk, france, us, canada, germany, italy, japan |
| 11:03.41 | dstambou | is the G7 |
| 11:04.37 | StevenR | i've been staying in flat at the moment, there's been rioting here |
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| 11:04.47 | hellz_hunter | thank you alot for the help guys for getting Xnest to work and all :) |
| 11:05.02 | StevenR | protesting about poverty and anarchy and stuff |
| 11:05.18 | hellz_hunter | StevenR, so an anti-US meeting? :) |
| 11:05.40 | StevenR | it's not anti us |
| 11:05.53 | hellz_hunter | one last question, how do i get Xnest to quit, i just tried ctrl+alt+backspace and it killed the whole Xserver, not just xnest |
| 11:06.04 | hellz_hunter | StevenR, it was a poor attempt at humor at the expense of the US :) |
| 11:06.21 | StevenR | there are some people who go to peacefully protest, and some who just go to cause trouble cos they dislike capitalism/government/whatever |
| 11:06.22 | dstambou | StevenR: what are you at? |
| 11:06.28 | StevenR | dstambou: eH? |
| 11:06.32 | dstambou | *where |
| 11:06.33 | dstambou | sorry heh |
| 11:06.42 | StevenR | edinburgh |
| 11:06.52 | dstambou | ah nice |
| 11:06.55 | dstambou | the marches and such |
| 11:07.16 | StevenR | s/marches/marches-and-riots |
| 11:07.23 | dstambou | yeah |
| 11:07.39 | SchopfeR | [amaroK] Bush - The People That We Love (4:01) |
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| 11:14.49 | Crissi | hi |
| 11:15.04 | StevenR | lo |
| 11:15.06 | Crissi | i have a problem with kbabel.. it crashes if i load aspecial po file... |
| 11:15.10 | Crissi | whta i can do? |
| 11:15.18 | Crissi | kbabel from kde 3.4.1 |
| 11:15.24 | PhilRod | report a bug on bugs.kde.org |
| 11:15.33 | PhilRod | well, first check whether others can reproduce it |
| 11:17.02 | Crissi | bugreport dunno |
| 11:17.05 | Crissi | can you test it? |
| 11:17.29 | PhilRod | I don't have kbabel |
| 11:17.39 | PhilRod | someone here or in #kde-devel probably does though |
| 11:17.58 | Crissi | its in kdesdk |
| 11:18.00 | Crissi | ok |
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| 11:34.33 | oGALAXYo | if you have enough flies at home :) |
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| 11:39.57 | hellz_hunter | can i use GDM themes on KDM? |
| 11:40.02 | hellz_hunter | someone said that i could use it for 3.4 |
| 11:40.47 | benJIman | hellz_hunter: you can use gdm like themes anyway, you looked at http://kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=40&PHPSESSID=75f3ddf4c3b047eecf6e6d3b57129136 ? |
| 11:41.49 | hellz_hunter | benJIman, yes i saw that, i wanted this one in particular http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=18558 |
| 11:41.52 | hellz_hunter | it says GDM and all that |
| 11:41.58 | hellz_hunter | but i didnt know if u could use a GDM theme for KDM |
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| 11:42.57 | _pierre_ | hi |
| 11:43.13 | _pierre_ | is there a scripting way to log the current user out of kde? |
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| 11:44.28 | benJIman | dcop kdesktop default logout? |
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| 11:44.42 | dyl0n | hi |
| 11:44.42 | benJIman | you'll probably have to turn off logout confirmation for that to work |
| 11:44.56 | dyl0n | who i can remove the kicker startbar in kde 3.4.1? |
| 11:45.17 | _pierre_ | benJIman: dcop kdesktop default logout is an actual commandline? |
| 11:45.29 | benJIman | _pierre_: yes try it |
| 11:45.47 | _pierre_ | great, works |
| 11:45.58 | _pierre_ | it opened hte logout confirmation dialog |
| 11:46.01 | _pierre_ | thanks |
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| 11:46.35 | benJIman | you can turn off the confirmation in kcontrol if you want to |
| 11:47.28 | _pierre_ | yes, i know |
| 11:47.43 | _pierre_ | i wanted to bind it to a special key on my keyboard |
| 11:47.53 | _pierre_ | so i think i'll keep the dialogue |
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| 11:50.34 | anarky99 | hey all |
| 11:50.40 | anarky99 | why does kopete not connect to msn |
| 11:51.01 | oGALAXYo | what version of kopete and what version of kde ? |
| 11:51.40 | anarky99 | uhm let me check |
| 11:52.02 | anarky99 | how do I see? |
| 11:52.17 | pinotree | anarky99: kopete --version |
| 11:52.18 | anarky99 | its kopete 0.8 |
| 11:52.23 | anarky99 | and kde 3.2 |
| 11:52.39 | oGALAXYo | update to kde 3.4 ... msn changed protocol irrc.. |
| 11:52.44 | anarky99 | ah ok |
| 11:52.56 | oGALAXYo | or just update kopete.. |
| 11:53.17 | anarky99 | eh no its ok |
| 11:53.23 | anarky99 | will upgrade everything |
| 11:53.29 | anarky99 | still running mandrake 10 |
| 11:55.45 | hellz_hunter | "theme not usable with authentication" |
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| 11:56.01 | hellz_hunter | i get that when i try to use the GDM theme using KDM theme installer that i downloaded |
| 11:56.21 | oaQ^ | where I can get kde 2.x ? |
| 11:59.31 | oGALAXYo | are you sure you want kde 2.x ? |
| 11:59.38 | oGALAXYo | we are at 3.4.1 now.. |
| 11:59.45 | oGALAXYo | that is.. few years of difference. |
| 12:00.07 | benJIman | perhaps he runs debian |
| 12:00.14 | oGALAXYo | :) |
| 12:00.36 | PhilRod | in which case he'll need super-duper-unstable-don't-run-this-unless-you-want-your-computer-to-crash |
| 12:00.47 | PhilRod | or whatever the appropriate apt repository is called |
| 12:02.02 | oaQ^ | :) |
| 12:02.18 | Solak | benJIman: well, the new debian stable has kde 3.2.2 iirc. |
| 12:02.21 | oaQ^ | I'd like to have kde 2.x sources for my 166mhz pc |
| 12:02.23 | anarky99 | whatzs the best theme for kde |
| 12:02.59 | oGALAXYo | oaQ^: ftp.kde.org |
| 12:03.06 | benJIman | heh that's rather a matter of taste, look at kde-look.org anarky99 |
| 12:03.09 | oGALAXYo | anarky99: plastik + nuvola icons. |
| 12:03.25 | benJIman | lipstik is quite nice http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/lipstik.png |
| 12:03.33 | oGALAXYo | heh the gnome crowd woke up on osnews.com they gonna kill the entire QT thread |
| 12:03.35 | anarky99 | oGALAXYo, show a screenshot |
| 12:03.46 | oaQ^ | oGALAXYo: couldn't find it there |
| 12:04.04 | oGALAXYo | anarky99: http://img263.echo.cx/my.php?image=snapshot26wv.jpg |
| 12:04.21 | benJIman | Solak: 3.4 runs on some pretty old hardware, have you tried it? |
| 12:04.23 | PhilRod | oaQ^: you'd probably have to try to get it from svn |
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| 12:04.51 | benJIman | anarky99: my link was meant for you btw |
| 12:05.01 | PhilRod | oaQ^: but if you have enough RAM, you might even be able to run a later version |
| 12:05.30 | oaQ^ | PhilRod: I don't :P |
| 12:05.36 | benJIman | PhilRod: my friend has 3.4 running with 32mb ram |
| 12:05.43 | oaQ^ | :o |
| 12:05.48 | anarky99 | benJIman, can I pm for a second? |
| 12:05.50 | Solak | benJIman: I use debian stable, it has only 3.3.2, my hardware is rather new (too new) which causes some problems with gfx, but it works... |
| 12:05.50 | oaQ^ | doesn't work at all |
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| 12:06.35 | benJIman | Solak: I wasn't serious |
| 12:07.24 | hellz_hunter | does anyone else use the kdm theme manager from kde apps? or should i just copy the folder theme to my kdm/themes folder and edit the kdmrc? |
| 12:07.37 | PhilRod | oaQ^: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/ |
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| 12:08.04 | PhilRod | oaQ^: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/subversion/index.html tells you how to use svn |
| 12:08.10 | oaQ^ | thanks |
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| 12:16.42 | _pierre_ | benJIman|lunch: how about a commandline to lock the desktop? or a howto that tells me more? :) |
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| 12:28.50 | benJIman | _pierre_: kdcop lets you browse all the dcop calls |
| 12:29.12 | _pierre_ | benJIman: yep, i just found it, thanks :) |
| 12:29.22 | _pierre_ | it is dcop kdesktop KScreensaverIface lock |
| 12:29.30 | benJIman | dcop rules :) |
| 12:29.48 | _pierre_ | yes, a realy new thing for me |
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| 12:31.45 | Wilf | minx? :P |
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| 12:35.02 | blueyed | Is there an option to make mouse gestures visible while they are drawn? (KHotKeys) |
| 12:35.19 | _poison | blueyed: no |
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| 12:37.13 | blueyed | seems like a good feature wish, doesn't it, _poison ? |
| 12:38.16 | _poison | blueyed: well ... I don't use gestures ... but yeah ... sounds interesting ^^ |
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| 12:39.06 | _poison | blueyed: but from a programmers point of view ... when are you supposed to know if somebody is just moving the mouse or trying to draw a gesture ? |
| 12:39.12 | _poison | blueyed: sounds impossible ^^ |
| 12:39.52 | _poison | s/when/how/ |
| 12:41.47 | benJIman | you could have an OSD on successful drawing of a guesture perhaps |
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| 12:42.28 | _poison | benJIman: hmm ... would be kind of redundant ... executing and showing that something has been executed ... |
| 12:42.34 | benJIman | _poison: indeed |
| 12:43.10 | _poison | benJIman: like when pressing a button informing with an OSD you pressed a button ^^ |
| 12:43.59 | _poison | benJIman: although changing the cursor for a short time would be more non-intrusive ... |
| 12:45.52 | benJIman | _poison: also not clear what it's doing, if someone is puzzled by the gesture action a cryptic mouse changing isn't going to help |
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| 12:46.12 | benJIman | but since mouse gestures are off by default I believe people should know what they are if they turn them on |
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| 12:46.27 | _poison | benJIman: I think so too ... |
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| 12:50.27 | blueyed | _poison: at least it's possible with the mouse gestures plugin for firefox.. it would be the job of KHotkeys to draw it, when it detects that a gesture is being drawn. Really impossible? |
| 12:52.20 | benJIman | blueyed: it's the sort of "feature" which could get really annoying, and be difficult to implement well, and not necessarily serve a useful purpose I imagine |
| 12:53.20 | blueyed | it would be an option of course, benJIman. I don't know about implementation.. it just help a lot, to visualize gestures. |
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| 12:57.03 | _poison | ^^ |
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| 13:01.49 | blueyed | what model, _poison ? could need a new one, too. Currently it's a SB16 here - but it sucks with the alsa mixer (master volume does not affect headphone, ..).. might that be better with a Audigy? |
| 13:02.13 | blueyed | for win32 I had kxproject, which allowed to switch channels.. that was great. |
| 13:02.24 | blueyed | front/rear channels.. |
| 13:03.02 | mobtek | blueyed: sb audigy's some of them won't work |
| 13:03.31 | blueyed | which ones and why, mobtek ? |
| 13:03.34 | _poison | blueyed: audigy 2 ZS sourround 7.1 ... yes it would cure those problems ... you have excelent alsa support+hw mixing ... and yes ... the sound quality does really really stand out from a cheap card =) |
| 13:04.10 | mobtek | blueyed: I tried to get one working on a mates machine, slightly different chipset on some models |
| 13:04.16 | mobtek | that has no divers |
| 13:04.19 | mobtek | drivers even |
| 13:04.28 | mobtek | in the kernel or elsewhere for linux :) |
| 13:05.04 | mobtek | but it looks like a normal audigy, and you can't even see it with lspci |
| 13:05.23 | blueyed | mobtek: good to know, thanks. |
| 13:05.39 | blueyed | _poison: I cannot see a "surround 7.1" here: http://geizhals.at/deutschland/?cat=sndpci |
| 13:05.58 | _poison | mobtek: the alsa emu10k driver works with all audigy models |
| 13:06.58 | blueyed | _poison: afaik emu10k is used for my current soundcard, too.. (lspci: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)) |
| 13:07.21 | _poison | blueyed: http://www.soundblaster.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=204&product=4915 |
| 13:08.18 | mobtek | _poison: it didn't 6 months ago |
| 13:09.08 | _poison | mobtek: hmmm ... |
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| 13:26.45 | _pierre_ | does anybody here have any experience with the window translucency in kde? |
| 13:27.02 | _pierre_ | what are the hw requirements for it to work smoothly? |
| 13:28.44 | blueyed | _poison: would you recommend the platinum pro version of the audigy2, or is it without much use under Linux? |
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| 13:29.59 | mobtek | _pierre_: for xorg to have a fixed composite :) |
| 13:30.30 | _pierre_ | mobtek: ? i dont understand |
| 13:30.34 | _poison | blueyed: dont know ... I have the normal version ... I believe the only difference is the remote control and an extra rack ? |
| 13:30.48 | blueyed | yes. |
| 13:31.03 | mobtek | _pierre_: I think the problem there isn't kde, it's xorg |
| 13:31.06 | _poison | blueyed: and it costs twice as much of course ^^ |
| 13:31.49 | _poison | blueyed: I don't think you nead any exra driver support for the platinum pro version ... |
| 13:31.57 | _pierre_ | mobtek: yes, that is probably true... i just wanted to know if everyone has it so slow or i just misconfigured something |
| 13:32.11 | _pierre_ | i have an athlon xp 1700 and radeon 9000 |
| 13:32.38 | _pierre_ | and switching from one desktop to another takes about 5 secs |
| 13:33.59 | oGALAXYo | yeah and ? |
| 13:34.08 | oGALAXYo | i have an xp2600 and radeon 9200SE |
| 13:34.11 | Quinn_Storm | from what I know, composite only works decently with nvidia...everyone else is out in the cold...but then I have a matrox g450 so...I don't really have much of anything |
| 13:34.16 | oGALAXYo | ans witching from one desktop to another takes less than 1 secs |
| 13:34.26 | oGALAXYo | but then i have enough ram so nothing needs to swap.. |
| 13:34.28 | Quinn_Storm | oGALAXYo: _pierre_ is talking about using composite/translucency |
| 13:34.34 | mobtek | it's slow with an nvidia too |
| 13:34.38 | oGALAXYo | oh |
| 13:34.45 | oGALAXYo | of course thats slow shit. |
| 13:34.46 | Wilf | i have a 2100+ and a fx5700, switches quick as... |
| 13:34.50 | Quinn_Storm | ah, well I'm just repeating what I've heard, that doesn't surprise me either, mobtek |
| 13:35.11 | mobtek | I'd just like shadows without crashing X :P |
| 13:35.36 | _pierre_ | :) |
| 13:35.47 | Quinn_Storm | needless to say even on my athlon 1.2ghz / 512MB ram / mgaG450, I can switch desktops with composite turned off in < 1 sec. (I wouldn't even dare turn composite on, its just TOO slow...and crashy) |
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| 13:35.52 | _pierre_ | so no experiences with translucency and ati? |
| 13:35.56 | _poison | heh ... I considered testing some experimental X servers for fancy graphics effect ... but I' |
| 13:36.04 | _poison | m too lazy ^^ |
| 13:36.16 | Quinn_Storm | the only experience I have with ati/translucency is setting up linux for a friend with an ati card...translucency simply didn't work |
| 13:36.30 | _pierre_ | hmm :( |
| 13:36.36 | _poison | e17 to the rescue ^^ |
| 13:36.39 | _pierre_ | here it works, but too slow |
| 13:36.47 | Quinn_Storm | well do you have renderaccel turned on? |
| 13:37.07 | Quinn_Storm | in your graphics card setup, use the fglrx or whatever driver and add Option "RenderAccel" "True" |
| 13:37.11 | _poison | renderaccel freezes my box =/ |
| 13:37.13 | Quinn_Storm | ahh |
| 13:37.17 | Quinn_Storm | oh wait, wrong person, lol |
| 13:37.21 | mobtek | Quinn_Storm: nvidia drivers are total crap atm, without glx they still freeze up for no reason, I'm thinking of getting an ati card |
| 13:37.34 | Quinn_Storm | heh |
| 13:37.44 | _pierre_ | Quinn_Storm: i think that option only works with nvidia, or? |
| 13:37.45 | Quinn_Storm | my mga card even freezes sometimes on some of the rss-glx screensavers |
| 13:37.51 | Quinn_Storm | _pierre_: no it works for ati too |
| 13:38.00 | Quinn_Storm | _pierre_: with the fglrx drivers |
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| 13:38.16 | _pierre_ | Quinn_Storm: ahh, i use the x.org open drivers |
| 13:38.17 | _poison | mobtek: bad idea .... really bad idea ... I have a ati 9600 pro at work .... the nvidia drivers may be crap ... but compared to ati's there absolutely wonderful ... |
| 13:38.26 | Quinn_Storm | _pierre_: well then it -will- be slow |
| 13:38.34 | Quinn_Storm | _pierre_: you don't get any hardware accel that way |
| 13:38.35 | _pierre_ | Quinn_Storm: but this would be a reason to switch |
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| 13:38.50 | Quinn_Storm | _pierre_: well give it a shot, if the drivers don't work for you, just switch back |
| 13:38.57 | Quinn_Storm | _pierre_: how to get them depends on your distro |
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| 13:39.08 | _pierre_ | Quinn_Storm: i thought i get some accel, at least for radeon9000 and xorg>6.8.2 |
| 13:39.13 | mobtek | _poison: really? |
| 13:39.22 | Quinn_Storm | _pierre_: well maybe some...whats your glxgears framerate? |
| 13:39.34 | _pierre_ | i dont know |
| 13:39.38 | _pierre_ | im gonna try |
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| 13:40.12 | _pierre_ | Quinn_Storm: it says 5184 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1036.800 FPS |
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| 13:40.35 | Quinn_Storm | _pierre_: ok yeah you are getting some accel, but you'll do a lot better with ati's binary drivers |
| 13:40.42 | _poison | mobtek: athlon 64 + 9600 pro ... the 3d perfomance is crap ... slower than on my celeron 633 + ti 4200 ... and 2d perfomance sucks tooo .... and I'm still waiting for an ati driver that works on 2.6.12 ... |
| 13:40.45 | mobtek | mine was doing 3800 odd fps |
| 13:40.51 | _pierre_ | Quinn_Storm: ok, i'm gonna try |
| 13:40.57 | mobtek | thats a ti4200 |
| 13:41.24 | Quinn_Storm | I only get ~300 FPS on my ancient matrox g450 (-with- the accelerated drivers) so...:-P to you all |
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| 13:41.47 | mobtek | heheh |
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| 13:41.55 | hellz_hunter | i was kind of hoping that there were more kdm themes than those found at kde-look |
| 13:43.41 | Octave_Octet | Hi. I need to record a sound with kwave. But the /dev/dsp it uses as default from source does not seem to get any sound at all and I do not find any working choice in its options |
| 13:44.10 | Octave_Octet | Which source does I need if I need to record the output of arts |
| 13:45.13 | _poison | c ya ^^ |
| 13:45.34 | lauri | krec will work with arts |
| 13:45.42 | lauri | it's a bit tricky (but has docs) |
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| 13:46.01 | Octave_Octet | there is a soft called artsrec. I'll try that |
| 13:46.06 | lauri | but the easy way out of this is to turn off arts for now (have it exit on idle after 10 seconds or whatever - if anything wants to use it, they'll restart it on demand) |
| 13:46.31 | Octave_Octet | krec is not installed on my computer |
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| 13:48.37 | lauri | krec is part of kdemultimedia |
| 13:49.20 | Octave_Octet | ok artsrec does not do the trick |
| 13:49.24 | Octave_Octet | I'll use krec |
| 13:50.15 | Octave_Octet | Installing |
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| 13:53.17 | Octave_Octet | Seems to work very easily |
| 13:53.33 | Octave_Octet | I'll quit here as to not get parasites from konversation sounds |
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| 13:55.18 | Octave_Octet | Ok... |
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| 13:55.27 | Octave_Octet | It works when I record KDE events |
| 13:55.41 | Octave_Octet | But I need to record the sound of a flash applet |
| 13:55.50 | Octave_Octet | And then it does not work |
| 13:57.09 | chodapp | Tried vsound? |
| 13:57.20 | Octave_Octet | I guess I'll try that |
| 13:57.34 | Octave_Octet | But I suppose I will need to give it a source |
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| 14:00.09 | Octave_Octet | And I am using alsa |
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| 14:02.09 | chodapp | If you are using ALSA, you could even make a bridge to JACK and record from there |
| 14:02.27 | Octave_Octet | ??? I am REALLY not a specialist |
| 14:02.40 | chodapp | Neither am I... |
| 14:02.47 | chodapp | but if Vsound doesn't work, you have one more option that's a little nasty. |
| 14:03.22 | termo | hey |
| 14:03.45 | termo | does anyone know a prog like kuickshow that 'remembers |
| 14:04.06 | termo | does anyone know a prog like kuickshow that 'remembers' EXIF data, after modifying the photo? |
| 14:04.28 | mobtek | gwenview? |
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| 14:05.03 | termo | i'll give it a try, thanks |
| 14:05.11 | Octave_Octet | digikam ? |
| 14:05.12 | Octave_Octet | sox: Failed reading ./vsound8563.au: Did not detect valid Sun/NeXT/DEC magic number in header. |
| 14:05.33 | Octave_Octet | chodapp: What was your option chodapp ? |
| 14:06.13 | chodapp | Octave_Octet, make a bridge from ALSA to JACK, then use a mastering app in JACK to record (something like AlsaModularSynth will do it, there are probably CLI tools as well) |
| 14:06.26 | chodapp | There's always the loopback-cable-and-another-computer option... |
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| 14:07.19 | Octave_Octet | Ok. Do not understand at all your first proposal. The second one is unavailable. I am going to look a little bit more |
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| 14:07.46 | chodapp | Which was first and which was second? |
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| 14:08.13 | Octave_Octet | first : |
| 14:08.14 | Octave_Octet | [16:06] <chodapp> Octave_Octet, make a bridge from ALSA to JACK, then use a mastering app in JACK to record (something like AlsaModularSynth will do it, there are probably CLI tools as well) |
| 14:08.21 | chodapp | oh |
| 14:08.21 | Octave_Octet | second : |
| 14:08.23 | Octave_Octet | [16:06] <chodapp> There's always the loopback-cable-and-another-computer option... |
| 14:08.29 | chodapp | forgot about that |
| 14:08.37 | chodapp | you could even loop it back to your own box... |
| 14:08.57 | chodapp | but I have my doubts you'll find much else |
| 14:09.04 | benJIman | be careful about that, I destroyed a card that way |
| 14:09.14 | chodapp | the ALSA layer is very flexible, you can route signals to a lot of places |
| 14:09.15 | benJIman | well destroyed the mic input |
| 14:09.20 | chodapp | feedback? |
| 14:09.39 | chodapp | use line-level output, start at 0, and use a scope first |
| 14:09.52 | Octave_Octet | chodapp: Yes I am sure it's very flexible. I just need to know how I can bend it |
| 14:10.16 | chodapp | Bridge it to JACK, which is another layer that records easily to disk. |
| 14:10.25 | chodapp | Check the ALSA wiki |
| 14:10.29 | Octave_Octet | arecord... |
| 14:10.37 | Octave_Octet | I'll try this one.. |
| 14:10.51 | chodapp | all arecord will do is take it from your sound card's input. |
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| 14:11.12 | Octave_Octet | Isn't it what I want ? |
| 14:11.32 | chodapp | Is there an analog signal coming into your sound card's input now? |
| 14:11.55 | Octave_Octet | I guess it's not an analog signal |
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| 14:12.24 | chodapp | It's not your sound card's input, either... just trying to throw around suggestions... |
| 14:12.39 | powermacx | Hello, anyone knows how to recreate a missing trash can on KDE? |
| 14:13.17 | benJIman | right click -> create new shortcut, to trash:/ |
| 14:13.26 | Octave_Octet | chodapp : Should it be ? |
| 14:13.38 | chodapp | Octave_Octet, should it be what? |
| 14:14.38 | Octave_Octet | If I am playing some flash in my browser, there is not going to be an analog signal coming into my sound card |
| 14:15.13 | chodapp | No, it's just a bunch of digital PCM stuff floating around. Your job is to intercept it before it hits the sound card. |
| 14:15.24 | chodapp | Arecord and apps like that all deal with the sound card itself. |
| 14:15.32 | powermacx | Nope, the shortcut didn't work :( This is so weird... |
| 14:17.37 | Octave_Octet | http://alsa.opensrc.org/faq/ Do not find anything interesting in the FAQ |
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| 14:18.02 | evilrob | so what do I need to do to disable the shutdown option on the log-out dialog in kde? |
| 14:18.26 | benJIman | kde control center -> kde components -> session manager |
| 14:18.33 | benJIman | uncheck "offer shutdown options" |
| 14:18.49 | evilrob | will that disable it for all users? |
| 14:18.55 | benJIman | no |
| 14:19.17 | evilrob | hmmm.... that's what I need to do. |
| 14:19.27 | oGALAXYo | powermacx: cp /usr/local/share/apps/systemview/trash.desktop ~/Desktop/ |
| 14:19.33 | oGALAXYo | powermacx: you need to adjust paths |
| 14:19.44 | benJIman | oGALAXYo: or just create a link to trash:/ |
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| 14:19.53 | benJIman | evilrob: if you don't want users to be able to shutdown it's probably a kdm setting, I change it in /etc/sysconfig in suse, |
| 14:20.43 | mobtek | it is a kdm setting |
| 14:20.56 | PhilRod | evilrob: as benJIman says, look for an appropriate tool in your distro's tools, or use the 'login manager' entry in kcontrol, or edit $KDEDIR/share/config/kdmrc |
| 14:20.59 | oGALAXYo | can i ask you people for some moral help ? |
| 14:21.01 | oGALAXYo | http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=11106&threshold=-5&limit=no#287 |
| 14:21.03 | PhilRod | or wherever your distro puts kdmrc |
| 14:21.04 | Octave_Octet | jackd is awfully complicated |
| 14:21.10 | oGALAXYo | i am being namecalled and slandered again by some gnome wannabe.. |
| 14:21.18 | oGALAXYo | would be nice if you could help slamming that ass down. |
| 14:21.25 | oGALAXYo | thanks in advance.. |
| 14:21.26 | Octave_Octet | I am reading the doc and it looks chinese |
| 14:21.32 | mobtek | or run login manager and change it there :) |
| 14:22.03 | PhilRod | oGALAXYo: be the bigger man and walk away |
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| 14:22.11 | chodapp | Octave_Octet, run 'jackd -d alsa' and then get jack-patch-bay . . . problem is, you'll need something to record... |
| 14:22.26 | PhilRod | from osnews, that is - you're quite welcome in #kde :-) |
| 14:22.28 | oGALAXYo | PhilRod: i walk away, once cleaned up |
| 14:22.31 | evilrob | I'll dig around and see what I can find. I just figured this would have aldready been done by someone, but I can't find the answer on google yet. |
| 14:22.47 | PhilRod | oGALAXYo: your choice |
| 14:23.37 | Octave_Octet | Raah this jackd stuff is not installed |
| 14:23.43 | oGALAXYo | PhilRod: i am quite sick walking away from every asshole.. |
| 14:24.12 | powermacx | I dont have an apps dir in /usr/local/share/ :| |
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| 14:24.41 | Octave_Octet | Yeah jackd conflicts with my current install |
| 14:24.45 | oGALAXYo | powermacx: i said adjust the paths.. maybe your kde is installed elsewhere. |
| 14:24.47 | PhilRod | oGALAXYo: there's lots of them on the internet - too many to pick fights with them all |
| 14:24.52 | oGALAXYo | powermacx: maybe in /usr or /opt |
| 14:25.01 | oGALAXYo | PhilRod: right |
| 14:25.06 | powermacx | OK, checking... |
| 14:25.13 | benJIman | cd `kde-config --prefix`/share/apps |
| 14:25.45 | Octave_Octet | jackd is out of the loop... |
| 14:26.02 | chodapp | out of the loop? |
| 14:26.24 | Lucractius_Azorz | oGALAXYo: i have one question? was it you? cause if it was then ill just notch him up as a smart ass that should shut up and not make a debate personal to win his argument. If not then i say hes a total ass***e |
| 14:26.56 | Octave_Octet | I cannot install jackd it conflicts with my current kde install |
| 14:27.05 | Lucractius_Azorz | either way KDE beats GNOME like an automated 10krmp spank o matic |
| 14:27.05 | chodapp | How does it conflict? |
| 14:27.24 | Octave_Octet | like this |
| 14:27.28 | oGALAXYo | Lucractius_Azorz: actually i am the author of http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=11106&threshold=-5&limit=no#60 and all followed up comments with the same ip... |
| 14:27.37 | Octave_Octet | nicolas@auteuil:~/test/H2G2$ sudo apt-get install jackd |
| 14:27.41 | Octave_Octet | Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait |
| 14:27.45 | Octave_Octet | Construction de l'arbre des dépendances... Fait |
| 14:27.45 | chodapp | dammit, compile from source |
| 14:27.49 | Octave_Octet | Paquets suggérés : |
| 14:27.53 | Octave_Octet | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.57 | Octave_Octet | Les paquets suivants seront ENLEVÉS : |
| 14:28.01 | Octave_Octet | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.05 | Octave_Octet | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.05 | Octave_Octet | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.05 | Octave_Octet | Les NOUVEAUX paquets suivants seront installés : |
| 14:28.05 | Octave_Octet | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.13 | Lucractius_Azorz | oGALAXYo: is it the one he was linking to or not... Im not going to get dug into some reading :P |
| 14:28.26 | Octave_Octet | I guess I will wait for the libjack upgrade to happen |
| 14:29.33 | oGALAXYo | Lucractius_Azorz: the stuff he links to is another osnews.com article about kde 3 or 4 or something.. nothing gnome related.. |
| 14:30.01 | lauri | dude, osnews is a hotbed of trolls, starting with the site owner |
| 14:30.06 | oGALAXYo | Lucractius_Azorz: an eugenia pro GNOME hate KDE kinda article.. |
| 14:30.18 | lauri | eugenia is a troublemaker (and a twit) |
| 14:30.27 | oGALAXYo | heh yeah thats nothing new. |
| 14:30.33 | Lucractius_Azorz | ahh so hes an inflamatory twat... |
| 14:30.57 | oGALAXYo | Lucractius_Azorz: yes he as in that guy who wrote the comment and namecalled me "ali".. |
| 14:31.06 | lauri | boy I have had some runins with her (she once caused an entire freebsd release to be delayed by playing up a (very trivial) KDE bug to the security@ people (it was not a security issue)) |
| 14:31.20 | oGALAXYo | Lucractius_Azorz: i am some kind of renegade.. a person who used to work for gnome for over 6 years and former gnome-foundation member who now switched to kde more or less.. |
| 14:31.24 | lauri | and we'd already published a workaround, *AND* the app in question put up a bloody huge dialog box saying "DONT DO FOO with this on freebsd" |
| 14:31.28 | oGALAXYo | Lucractius_Azorz: some people simply cant get along with it. |
| 14:31.37 | lauri | and the only way to trigger it was to go right ahead and do that precise foo :) |
| 14:31.39 | Lucractius_Azorz | oGALAXYo thats quite a pedigree. |
| 14:31.44 | lauri | so she *did* that :) |
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| 14:32.20 | jeanre | hi guys |
| 14:32.29 | jeanre | I installed kopete 0.10.0 |
| 14:32.35 | jeanre | but I can not connect to msn |
| 14:32.47 | lauri | oGALAXYo: the funny thing is, she went all gnomey mostly becauase she got run off the kde lists (we didn't bow down in obeisance at her goddamn mockup dialogs, and didn't want to talk 1 px rearrangements f menus) |
| 14:32.55 | benJIman | jeanre: msn has changed protocol since then, you need a newer kopete |
| 14:32.57 | jeanre | anyone? |
| 14:33.00 | lauri | so she went to gnome-usability-list, and pretty much got run right off of there too |
| 14:33.06 | jeanre | what is latest kopete? |
| 14:33.19 | oGALAXYo | lauri: yeah i am aware of that... |
| 14:33.27 | jeanre | I am using suse 9.3 |
| 14:33.27 | lauri | im surprised she's not off championing e or xfce or something (or that it's our turn again) |
| 14:33.39 | benJIman | jeanre: there is a YOU update to fix the msn in suse 9.3 anyway |
| 14:34.11 | jeanre | thanks dude |
| 14:34.15 | lauri | anyawy, she's a twit, riding on her husbands coattails and reputation, and playing at being a journalist (claims it's journalistic responsibility to scoop a KDE release and preannounce it, thereby sinking our mirrors before they've synched, after being asked multiple times not to) |
| 14:34.36 | Lucractius_Azorz | E is nice ... so is XFCE... but i kinda hate how "quirky" E is unless you like lots of digging |
| 14:34.49 | lauri | and yet at the same time claiming she's 'not a real journalist' if you call her on factual errors in her 'news' (and then says "you're picking on me", i kid you not) |
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| 14:35.19 | lauri | ok, enough ranting, I just think she's dangerously stupid, and that her site should be in konqueror's adblock list by default :) |
| 14:35.27 | benJIman | jeanre: it's labeled kdenetwork libraries in YOU, |
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| 14:35.33 | oGALAXYo | she is also violating and ignoring their own OSNews.com nettiquette.. |
| 14:35.33 | jeanre | thanks mate |
| 14:35.40 | oGALAXYo | only turning things out the way she likes. |
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| 14:37.26 | mobtek | haha lumburgh got slapdown rofl |
| 14:37.45 | oGALAXYo | mobtek: the problem is gnome is full of these irrational people.. |
| 14:37.56 | oGALAXYo | its nearly impossible to talk normally with one of them, not even developers.. |
| 14:38.19 | oGALAXYo | thats why the most creditible devs such as havoc, seth and some others communicate over BLOGS and avoid commenting on everything ml related.. |
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| 14:38.46 | oGALAXYo | you only see them commenting and saying anything on stuff where other creditible people comment too because they avoid communication with everyone due to inflamatory crap.. |
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| 14:39.10 | oGALAXYo | with other words the people fear to talk normally (as we do it here) because they dont know what to say without being namecalled or so.. |
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| 14:39.23 | oGALAXYo | hard to explain actually... but their community is kinda retarded. |
| 14:40.37 | mobtek | wow I knew that article would create a huge flamewar hehe |
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| 14:41.09 | oGALAXYo | yeah flamewar is one thing.. but losing so much arguments that they need to start namecalling people and destroy their creditibility is a different thing. |
| 14:41.36 | mobtek | haha that was rather amusing :) |
| 14:41.40 | oGALAXYo | i differ between normal conversation about technology... and getting personally.. |
| 14:41.43 | lauri | oGALAXYo: and there's the whole polls thing (she closes them as soon as the results are to her liking) |
| 14:41.52 | mobtek | lauri: haha yes |
| 14:42.01 | oGALAXYo | yep |
| 14:42.06 | oGALAXYo | fully agree |
| 14:42.06 | mobtek | and all the gnome software links down the bottom etc |
| 14:42.07 | lauri | sometimes after just a couple of hours, it's so blatant |
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| 14:42.31 | mobtek | oGALAXYo: is there another mirror for that avi? |
| 14:42.43 | oGALAXYo | mobtek: google 'gnome-the-movie.avi' |
| 14:42.50 | ryanoe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:43.29 | oGALAXYo | mobtek: http://rapidshare.de/files/2066703/gnome-the-movie.avi.gz.html |
| 14:43.32 | Zapelius | I have a strange problem with kate (3.3.2-1 Debian Stable). I'm running it over X11 on my mac. It seems that shift+7 (slash) and shift+0 (equal) produce actually a shift+arrowup. This occurs only with Kate, not with firefox, nor gedit. Any ideas? |
| 14:43.38 | oGALAXYo | mobtek: click on 'free' and wait for your ticket.. |
| 14:44.06 | oGALAXYo | http://dl2.rapidshare.de/files/2066703/32738813/gnome-the-movie.avi.gz |
| 14:45.24 | Octave_Octet | a gunzipped avi... Gosh... |
| 14:46.21 | powermacx | FOUND IT! How to recreate a missing trash can on KDE: Set the right path in ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals (under [Paths]: Trash=$HOME/Desktop/Trash) |
| 14:48.05 | benJIman | powermacx: I told you you could just create a link to trash:/ |
| 14:48.35 | powermacx | Yes, but it didn't work on KDE 3.3.2 |
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| 14:48.57 | benJIman | ah no, it's new in 3.4 |
| 14:50.07 | oGALAXYo | mobtek: got it ? |
| 14:50.09 | powermacx | Note: The steps I mentioned before work assuming that the Trash directory already exists in the desktop and has a .directory file copied from /usr/share/apps/kdesktop/directory.trash |
| 14:51.54 | mobtek | nope |
| 14:52.10 | mobtek | getting now :) |
| 14:52.54 | oGALAXYo | i wanted to mix morning mood from edvard grieg behind that movie.. but then... who cares :) |
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| 14:53.18 | oGALAXYo | at least the evolution crashing got fixed. |
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| 14:54.56 | mobtek | heheh |
| 14:55.00 | mobtek | got it |
| 14:57.39 | mobtek | haha at the email crash |
| 14:58.09 | mobtek | what version of gnome was that oGALAXYo ? |
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| 15:01.46 | oGALAXYo | mobtek: CVS |
| 15:02.32 | oGALAXYo | mobtek: but issues like toolbar etc.. are going back till 2.0 and earlier.. |
| 15:02.52 | oGALAXYo | grab any version of gnome you wish and you are able to redo the stuff |
| 15:03.07 | mobtek | a lot of stuff I have seen on that video I still see |
| 15:03.13 | mobtek | things randomly crashing everywhere |
| 15:03.15 | mobtek | fonts |
| 15:03.18 | mobtek | etc |
| 15:03.33 | mobtek | fonts were the last straw with me and gnome |
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| 15:04.52 | oGALAXYo | mobtek: i have no issues with gnome to be a desktop... i have issues with them doing wrong promises, doing bad marketing and simply lying to people, customers and companies.. |
| 15:05.57 | scroogie | ryanoe: konvert |
| 15:06.19 | scroogie | konverter |
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| 15:07.58 | ryanoe | what is konverter? |
| 15:08.00 | ryanoe | what is that?? |
| 15:08.17 | scroogie | or transcode, mplayer, avidemux, mplex, vcdimager, encode2mpeg, etc. |
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| 15:08.47 | scroogie | konverter is to convert videos, e.g. any video files (divx, xvid, ...) to DVD |
| 15:08.59 | ryanoe | really? |
| 15:10.14 | scroogie | yes? |
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| 15:14.03 | ArchDist | got a question about changing kde menu behavior on mandriva le2005 with kde 3.3.2 |
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| 15:15.03 | ArchDist | currently the sub menus only show up when they have more than one application in them... any why to change it so the sub menus show up even with 1 app in them ? |
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| 15:19.14 | miketiger | is there any way to organize the groups in a Kopete Contact List? |
| 15:20.24 | oGALAXYo | yes |
| 15:20.32 | oGALAXYo | you can organize it in the settings.. |
| 15:20.37 | oGALAXYo | configure->kopete |
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| 15:22.27 | miketiger | where after that? i dont see any option other than to change how it looks |
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| 15:23.40 | scroogie | what do you mean with organizing the groups? |
| 15:23.58 | oGALAXYo | miketiger: behavior->chat |
| 15:24.11 | scroogie | you can create new groups, drag contacts from group to group, etc, directly on the contact lsit |
| 15:24.14 | oGALAXYo | chat window grouping policy |
| 15:24.18 | miketiger | my groups are out of order compared to other chat clients |
| 15:24.32 | oGALAXYo | miketiger: behavior->chat |
| 15:24.33 | oGALAXYo | chat window grouping policy |
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| 15:25.49 | miketiger | oGALAXYo: thats not doing what i'd like...what i want is to be able to drap the groups around so certain ones are at the top of my list and others are farther down |
| 15:25.58 | miketiger | drag* |
| 15:26.12 | benJIman | rename them, I think they're in alphabetical order |
| 15:26.44 | miketiger | theres no way to manually arrange them though? |
| 15:31.17 | mobtek | mine are in alphabetical order methinks |
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| 15:32.38 | miketiger | mine are as well, but i would rather have it in the order i'd like |
| 15:33.51 | mobtek | heh alphabetical makes sense to me |
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| 15:40.58 | grmpf | hi |
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| 15:42.24 | grmpf | I once saw a demo of kde 3.4 where it did something like expose on osx, it automaticly aranged all windows on the current desktop so you could see them all then it brings the cicked one to the foreground and restores the original size |
| 15:42.37 | std0ut | anyone know how to tweak kde to let me hear sound from flash applications? |
| 15:42.42 | grmpf | the guy demonstrating said it's a builtin feature activated with Win-Tab |
| 15:42.49 | grmpf | but that doesn't do anything here |
| 15:42.53 | grmpf | any hints? |
| 15:44.13 | scroogie | grmpf: Komposé |
| 15:44.41 | scroogie | dont know nothing about a builtin feature, but komposé does the same as an external app |
| 15:45.07 | scroogie | but i would like the feature better, because komposé uses screenshots |
| 15:46.15 | scroogie | but i dont know if its even possible to arbitrarily resize foreign windows |
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| 15:48.31 | mobtek | grmpf: it's kompose |
| 15:48.55 | mobtek | not as good as exposé but pretty good |
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| 15:54.15 | unholy | Can any kmail users tell me if it is possible to filter on the date? One thing all my spam have in common is that the 'Date (Order of Arrival)' field says 'unknown'. I dont see this in the filters tool though. |
| 15:54.19 | hunger | How can I rebind a key bound to an application in kmenuedit? I can not find the application in my menu anymore, but the key is still bound to it:-( |
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| 15:56.43 | mobtek | unholy: hmm I thought you could |
| 15:58.02 | mobtek | ahh ok you can't |
| 15:58.13 | unholy | Well, there is an '<any header>' option, but I think that applies to all of them. |
| 15:58.41 | mobtek | filtering on a date field would be problematic |
| 15:58.47 | mobtek | to implement |
| 15:59.08 | unholy | I suppose there might be a lot of false positives. |
| 15:59.18 | mobtek | unholy: since you can't do that have you tried using spam assassin instead with kmail? |
| 15:59.30 | mobtek | unholy: yeah thats what i was thinking |
| 16:00.29 | unholy | mobtek: No actuall, I havent tried spam assasin. I thought it was for mail servers, not clients. |
| 16:00.35 | unholy | *actually |
| 16:00.58 | hunger | Where does the menueditor store its changes? |
| 16:01.00 | mobtek | look at tools-> anti-spam wizard |
| 16:01.38 | mobtek | you have to install the anti-spam stuff like spamassassin etc |
| 16:02.02 | unholy | mobtek: Thanks, I appreciate that. |
| 16:02.21 | mobtek | unholy: it's what I'm using now, seems to work pretty well |
| 16:03.16 | unholy | mobtek: cool. |
| 16:03.22 | mobtek | no probs :) |
| 16:07.41 | mobtek | nitey nite |
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| 16:17.41 | unholy | nite mobtek |
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| 16:31.21 | punkcut_ | hi im running Vidalinux(gentoo) and KDE 3.4 can someone help me figure out why none of my "Buttons" are working.. such as the window close button or maximize, logout, or any of my application buttons in the launch bar? |
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| 16:44.26 | rane | how can i tell kate with ctrl+j to wrpa text to 80 signs per line? |
| 16:44.31 | rane | to wrap |
| 16:46.59 | Venson | there's an option in Kate's settings i see that says "Enable static word wrap"..."wrap at 80" |
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| 16:47.42 | rane | ok, it wraps when writing |
| 16:47.56 | rane | but when i want to rebuild whole block it gets to more signs |
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| 16:48.37 | rane | i use "join lines" - CTRL+J to rebuild, and it's fine, but why the hell it doesn't want to wrap it at 80? |
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| 16:52.39 | hunger_ | Where does the menueditor store its settings? |
| 16:53.01 | Venson | hunger_: ~/.config/menus/* i think |
| 16:53.53 | hunger | Venson: Damn... I have already deleted that dir and that did not undo the keybindings I set up earlier. |
| 16:54.27 | Venson | hunger: keybindings != menu |
| 16:54.57 | hunger | Venson: I am refering to those to start apps (set in the menueditor). |
| 16:54.57 | Venson | hunger: your keybindings would be stored someplace in ~/.kde iirc |
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| 16:55.11 | Venson | hmm... |
| 16:55.41 | rindolf | Hi all! |
| 16:56.06 | rindolf | How can I invoke the printing facility of konqueror to convert a file to PDF from the commandline? |
| 16:56.08 | hunger | Venson: I have a key bound to an app that no longer exists. I still can not bind it to other apps. |
| 16:56.28 | hunger | rindolf: What kind of file? |
| 16:56.54 | Venson | hunger: you should be able to go to CC and reconfigure it however you want.....did you try that? |
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| 16:59.14 | hunger | Venson: I can rebind it in CC... but that does not change anything: Even though CC claims the key does something it still starts konq in a broken profile. |
| 16:59.29 | hunger | Venson: Which is what it did all along:-( |
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| 17:00.32 | Venson | hunger: what version of kde is this you're using? |
| 17:00.38 | hunger | Venson: 3.4.1 |
| 17:01.32 | hunger | Venson: I added a entry for konq-broken-profile in the menueditor and bound a key to it. The key works fine, but the entry is gone now... |
| 17:02.07 | hunger | Venson: So I can not unbind the key from that entry... and rebinding is not possible in the menueditor. |
| 17:04.12 | Venson | hunger: take a look at ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals |
| 17:04.20 | Venson | hunger: see if you can locate your shortcut there |
| 17:05.35 | hunger | Venson: Nope... that is the list of global shortcuts, not those set up with the menueditor. |
| 17:06.45 | hunger | Venson: khotkeysrc might be something... |
| 17:07.30 | Venson | maybe...take a look there, hunger |
| 17:07.50 | hunger | Venson: Yeap, you can unbind the key with khotkeys! |
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| 17:08.19 | hunger | Venson: Thanks! |
| 17:08.33 | Venson | np....you figured it out, hunger ;) |
| 17:08.51 | hunger | Venson: Maybe... but you got me onto the right track. |
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| 17:08.58 | Venson | :) |
| 17:09.17 | Venson | why's your nick "hunger"? |
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| 17:09.46 | hunger | Venson: Because I am not very imaginative... I am using my name. |
| 17:09.58 | Venson | there's an excellent book by (Nobel Laureate) Knut Hamsun called "Hunger".....very good one.....it's on www.gutenberg.net for download, if you wanna check it out |
| 17:10.05 | Venson | ah |
| 17:10.13 | lauri | heh |
| 17:10.24 | lauri | that reminds me of the time Frerich was in here (as frerich9 |
| 17:10.26 | lauri | ehm, as frerich |
| 17:10.33 | lauri | and *twice* in one day, someone asked his name |
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| 17:11.04 | lauri | and I don't recall if it was the same day or not, but one time, someone asked not just his name, but if he's a girl :) |
| 17:11.13 | Venson | i don't commonly do it.....but sometimes, can't help the urge 0:-) |
| 17:11.19 | Venson | lol |
| 17:11.33 | hunger | Venson: No problem... and I am a boy. |
| 17:11.54 | Venson | hunger: haha...your gender is of no consequence to me |
| 17:12.26 | hunger | Venson: Phew... ;-) |
| 17:12.43 | Venson | i see "Anakin_warrior" and "Spiderman" a whole bunch...but 'hunger' is unique |
| 17:12.49 | Venson | much more.....down to earth? |
| 17:13.09 | lauri | heh |
| 17:13.10 | Venson | alright...i'm quitting thinking now ;) |
| 17:13.26 | lauri | so you should have said "your gender is of no consequence to me, young padawan learner" |
| 17:13.57 | lauri | it explains many things, not least how he got those lines out with a straight face |
| 17:14.14 | Venson | lol |
| 17:14.17 | hunger | Venson: I cheat: The nick is registered;-) |
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| 17:17.12 | markey | considering Trainspotting.. it might be more than drink :) |
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| 17:18.36 | Venson | given that he signed up to act in star wars.....i'm sure he had to be drunk ;) |
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| 17:19.19 | hfan | hi |
| 17:20.04 | hfan | Is it possible to let konsole send a certain key event to the running application when using the mousewheel? |
| 17:20.21 | hfan | (I want to be able to scroll in irssi and mutt using the mouse) |
| 17:20.52 | rindolf | hunger: HTML. |
| 17:21.12 | rindolf | hunger: I'd like to render an HTML file to a PDF from the command line. |
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| 17:22.02 | hunger | rindolf: There is html2ps... which can then get converted to pdf. |
| 17:22.07 | Venson | http://directory.fsf.org/print/misc/html2pdf.html |
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| 17:32.34 | lauri | kde running? you can do that with kprinter probably |
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| 17:48.33 | rindolf | hunger: I'd like to do it using the same mechanism as konqueror. |
| 17:48.42 | rindolf | hunger: html2ps has many limitations. |
| 17:48.56 | hunger | rindolf: Then you need konqueror. |
| 17:49.11 | hunger | rindolf: What do you want the commandline for? |
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| 17:50.02 | rindolf | hunger: so I can do it for more than one file. |
| 17:50.45 | hunger | rindolf: Have you checked the dcop calls? |
| 17:50.49 | rindolf | hunger: or invoke it automatically. |
| 17:50.53 | rindolf | hunger: no. |
| 17:51.12 | hunger | rindolf: kdcop gives a list of possible functions to call on kde apps... |
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| 17:51.28 | hunger | rindolf: you can then script those calls (using dcop). |
| 17:52.19 | rindolf | hunger: OK |
| 17:52.33 | rindolf | hunger: all the konquerors have a -\d+ after them. |
| 17:52.41 | hunger | rindolf: I do not see how to trigger a printout at the moment though. |
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| 17:53.17 | hunger | rindolf: I guess that is the process ID... dunno... never seriously used dcop myself;-) |
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| 17:56.29 | ryanoe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:01.21 | peppelorum | ryanoe: yes |
| 18:01.40 | vIkSiT | Greetings |
| 18:02.24 | Exis | question... where on disk does KDE register the panel applets that are available? |
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| 18:05.59 | thiago | Exis: nowhere |
| 18:06.10 | thiago | it reads each one from a file |
| 18:07.10 | Exis | in /usr/share/apps/kicker/applets/, then |
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| 18:11.10 | John6000 | hi |
| 18:11.24 | John6000 | hi |
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| 18:12.48 | frank_ | hallo ihr |
| 18:13.12 | oGALAXYo | moin frank_ |
| 18:14.07 | John6000 | moin |
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| 18:21.21 | Thorrn4 | hello!! is there an IRC room for Qt? |
| 18:21.35 | vIkSiT | #qt? |
| 18:21.47 | Thorrn4 | thankyou |
| 18:22.55 | Thorrn4 | btw, what is Qt? |
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| 18:23.16 | Thorrn4 | is that a programming language? I've never really heard of it before |
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| 18:23.56 | lauri | it's a toolkit |
| 18:24.20 | vIkSiT | Thorrn4, its a library to help you create a GUI app |
| 18:24.24 | vIkSiT | 'lo lauri |
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| 18:27.50 | Exis | where do kde errors get logged? |
| 18:29.28 | Exis | I'm trying to figure out why it is that kpager2 won't load in kde 3.4 |
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| 18:30.25 | apachelogger | HELP |
| 18:30.34 | apachelogger | H-E-L-P ;) |
| 18:30.42 | Exis | ? |
| 18:30.44 | apachelogger | kipi export to cd/dvd won't work |
| 18:30.51 | apachelogger | I'm using suse 9.3 |
| 18:30.58 | apachelogger | found this http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93666 |
| 18:31.08 | apachelogger | compiled it from svn |
| 18:31.12 | apachelogger | still not working |
| 18:31.36 | Exis | I'm not sure what kipi is |
| 18:31.41 | apachelogger | oh |
| 18:31.57 | apachelogger | nice lib in the extragear for image playing things |
| 18:32.07 | apachelogger | like renaming resizien normalizing and so on |
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| 18:35.45 | ryanoe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:35.56 | rr73 | hi all |
| 18:36.40 | rr73 | is there a way to install codecs in debian with apt-get? |
| 18:36.48 | rr73 | grepper: waz up? |
| 18:36.52 | apachelogger | which codecs? |
| 18:36.58 | rr73 | any/all |
| 18:37.12 | apachelogger | ryanoe: what would you check out? |
| 18:37.31 | rr73 | huh? |
| 18:37.34 | apachelogger | rr73: try the mplayer packages --- at least the w32codecs |
| 18:37.39 | ryanoe | No idea |
| 18:37.44 | rr73 | oo |
| 18:37.48 | ryanoe | I am just trying to burn a DVD-RW |
| 18:37.58 | apachelogger | ryanoe: and it says what? |
| 18:38.01 | ryanoe | Are there DVD-RW tools in addition to DVD+rw tools |
| 18:38.09 | ryanoe | It says "formatting DVD" |
| 18:38.11 | rr73 | ever hear of nero? ;) |
| 18:38.13 | ryanoe | then it ejects it |
| 18:38.19 | ryanoe | then reformats it, ejects |
| 18:38.23 | apachelogger | rr73: pff, piss off with nero |
| 18:38.23 | ryanoe | continiously |
| 18:38.37 | apachelogger | ryanoe: is the configuration correct? |
| 18:38.46 | apachelogger | ...the k3b config :/ |
| 18:39.12 | rr73 | unless .deb i cant find em in apt-get |
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| 18:39.28 | apachelogger | rr73: so compile it from source :P |
| 18:39.34 | ananke | hmm, where would kdm get a list of available session types? [eg: gnome, twm, etc] |
| 18:39.43 | rr73 | i use totem |
| 18:39.49 | rr73 | omfg |
| 18:39.51 | rr73 | newb |
| 18:40.00 | rr73 | under sessions ;) |
| 18:40.06 | apachelogger | rr73: totem????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 18:40.09 | apachelogger | crazy? |
| 18:40.13 | apachelogger | use kaffeine |
| 18:40.15 | rr73 | it works |
| 18:40.21 | apachelogger | kaffeine/xine |
| 18:40.24 | ananke | rr73 : yeah, but where would that information be stored? |
| 18:40.25 | rr73 | i forgot about kaff |
| 18:40.36 | apachelogger | install the damn codecs and xine would use them |
| 18:40.43 | rr73 | i forgot to apt get it |
| 18:41.39 | ryanoe | * 4.7GB DVD-RW media in Sequential mode detected. |
| 18:41.40 | ryanoe | * blanking .:-[ PERFORM OPC failed with SK=5h/ASC=27h/ACQ=00h]: Input/output error |
| 18:41.44 | ryanoe | apachelogger |
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| 18:42.13 | apachelogger | ryanoe: does your bruner support -rw? |
| 18:42.31 | ryanoe | What do I do? |
| 18:42.33 | ryanoe | Of course |
| 18:42.49 | ryanoe | http://www.plextor.com/english/products/716uf.htm |
| 18:42.50 | apachelogger | ryanoe: what distro? |
| 18:42.50 | ryanoe | Check it out |
| 18:42.55 | ryanoe | Fedora Core 2 |
| 18:43.19 | ryanoe | So why that error? |
| 18:43.24 | apachelogger | ok, I stop to say anything, coz I dunno any thing about FC2 and as well as it suck |
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| 18:44.20 | StevenR | ananke: possibly it checks which session it can grab from /opt/kde/share/apps/kdm/sessions |
| 18:44.23 | ryanoe | No, it won't suck |
| 18:44.36 | athlon | how do I set the window size for konsole to exactly : 25x80 and save the setting so everytime I start konsole it will always have the same size |
| 18:44.52 | StevenR | athlon: set the windows size, and then save it |
| 18:44.55 | ananke | StevenR : yeah, i just found that. it seems to scan all those files and find which would be applicable |
| 18:45.17 | StevenR | :) |
| 18:45.25 | StevenR | athlon: you can set konsole to show its size |
| 18:45.27 | ananke | StevenR : now i'm trying to figure out the 'cleanest' way on disabling some of them |
| 18:45.38 | rr73 | how do i make the konsole make a beep when i backspace to far? |
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| 18:45.47 | StevenR | ananke: why do you want to disable some? |
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| 18:46.15 | StevenR | rr73: kcontrol, sound, system bell |
| 18:46.35 | rr73 | its off |
| 18:46.52 | StevenR | turn it on |
| 18:46.53 | ananke | StevenR : namely i'll be disabling gnome, since we don't support it anymore, and we don't want users attempting to use it [and complain to us] |
| 18:47.04 | athlon | StevenR, oh yeah, dunno why I didnt see that "show size" option :-) |
| 18:47.08 | StevenR | ananke: then uninstall gnome ? |
| 18:47.33 | ananke | StevenR : can't uninstall it completely, due to a few apps relying on a crap load of crappy gnome libraries/etc. |
| 18:47.35 | athlon | StevenR, okay, how do I save the setting so everytime it starts up, it will use that size ? |
| 18:47.39 | StevenR | ananke: if you just move the gnome.desktop file somewhere else, or change the exec and tryexec bits? |
| 18:47.53 | StevenR | athlon: settings -> save as default |
| 18:48.00 | ananke | StevenR : removing that file works, but i'm trying to figure out a way which will not be affected by a kde upgrade |
| 18:48.17 | StevenR | ahh..hmmm |
| 18:48.54 | StevenR | ananke: change the file contents so that it doesn't find gnome and then chmod 000? |
| 18:49.03 | StevenR | possibly that would break kdm |
| 18:49.06 | athlon | StevenR, thank you |
| 18:49.13 | StevenR | athlon: np :) |
| 18:50.13 | StevenR | ananke: or there might be another way of making the file unchangeable after you modify it? |
| 18:50.36 | ananke | StevenR : well, changing the content of that file would be similar to removing it. i also find that chattr would be a bit of a nasty hack to do that |
| 18:50.57 | StevenR | ananke: alternatively, make gnome-session not there in some way, eg -x |
| 18:51.11 | StevenR | or whatever gnome.desktop points to |
| 18:51.56 | ananke | for other things i export KDEDIRS=/my/location, and that's where i store our settings. i was hoping changing gnome.desktop in /my/location/share/apps/kdm/sessions would take care of that |
| 18:52.11 | ananke | however, that doesn't seem to take effect for kdm |
| 18:52.18 | ananke | brb |
| 18:57.29 | simcop2387 | how do i use krdc? e.g. how do i create a server for it? |
| 18:58.11 | rr73 | where can i get win 32 codecs to use with kaffeine? |
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| 18:58.48 | benJIman | Simkin: you can "invite" people through kde control center -> internet & network -> desktop sharing |
| 18:59.03 | Venson | rr72: www.mplayerhq.hu |
| 18:59.13 | rr73 | ty |
| 18:59.24 | Venson | rr72: what distro are you on? |
| 18:59.25 | rr73 | where do i put them? |
| 18:59.29 | rr73 | debian |
| 18:59.32 | Venson | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.58 | rr73 | do i need to compile em? |
| 19:00.02 | Venson | they might have a pkg...called w32codec or something.... |
| 19:00.03 | Venson | nope |
| 19:00.35 | rr73 | so look for a .deb? |
| 19:00.41 | ryanoe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:00.57 | Venson | rr72: i usually do it manually....but feel free |
| 19:01.06 | Venson | i don't use Debian, besides |
| 19:01.08 | rr73 | its a tar.bz2 |
| 19:01.19 | Venson | heh...unbunzip it |
| 19:01.45 | rr73 | do i need to do that and make a win32 and undo in that folder? |
| 19:02.09 | Venson | ryanoe: that doesn't make sense to me...but i've never touched a dvdrw...only cdrw....and they surely dont work that way |
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| 19:02.45 | Venson | rr72: wtf? there's no undoing necessary......just uncompress the thing and move all the files within to that dir i mentioned |
| 19:03.09 | rr73 | thats what i needed |
| 19:03.13 | rr73 | just making sure |
| 19:03.38 | rr73 | what pack is unbunzip in? |
| 19:03.44 | fnoyan | is there anybodey using baghira here? |
| 19:04.00 | fnoyan | baghira with KDE 3.2 |
| 19:04.30 | ryanoe | I know |
| 19:04.35 | ryanoe | That's what I thought too |
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| 19:05.45 | Venson | rr72: ugh.... "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2" will "unbunzip" it for you ;) |
| 19:05.56 | rr73 | i manualy did |
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| 19:11.46 | sredna | Uh, ops :o |
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| 20:09.20 | Ravensky | "As of 7th Mai 2005, KDE e.V. has 113 active members:" |
| 20:09.24 | Ravensky | Mai? :P |
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| 20:13.59 | annma | Ravensky: a French wrote that |
| 20:14.08 | annma | May is mai in french |
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| 20:18.07 | factor | what format does kde read for the animated cursors. |
| 20:18.26 | factor | and where do I find info on how to make the cursors. |
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| 20:18.55 | rr72 | idk but i have a moving tux as my cursor |
| 20:24.22 | factor | I was wanting to make an invisible one ,so you cant see the cursor at all. |
| 20:24.33 | factor | idk is an image format? |
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| 20:24.48 | c0de | hahahahahaha |
| 20:24.49 | c0de | :) |
| 20:25.03 | c0de | factor good one ;-) |
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| 20:30.54 | _pierre_ | hi, where can i write user-specific things to start after logging into kde? |
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| 20:31.21 | Swedish_Chef | how do i make konqeuror's toolbars smaller? |
| 20:31.49 | Swedish_Chef | i don't like how it's wasting so much screen space with huge tabs, a huge status bar, etc. |
| 20:31.59 | Swedish_Chef | i like windows explorer's relative minimalism :/ |
| 20:33.34 | doleyb | have you tried the windows9x style theme? |
| 20:33.43 | c0de | :/ |
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| 20:34.02 | benJIman | Swedish_Chef: http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/konqfm.png like that? |
| 20:34.26 | Swedish_Chef | benJIman: yes! |
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| 20:34.50 | benJIman | right click toolbar -> icon size -> small |
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| 20:35.45 | doleyb | Also, did you change your taskbar icons small? That also wastes much space |
| 20:35.48 | Swedish_Chef | i guess there's no way to make the tabs smaller? |
| 20:35.53 | Swedish_Chef | doleyb: yes, i did |
| 20:35.56 | kolla_ | I hate "explorers" :P |
| 20:36.14 | Swedish_Chef | kolla_: i like minimalism, but i like having a taskbar with a menu |
| 20:36.14 | benJIman | Swedish_Chef: reduce your font size? |
| 20:36.19 | Swedish_Chef | benJIman: did that too |
| 20:36.31 | kolla_ | ok, I dont see the point with a taskbar either |
| 20:36.32 | Swedish_Chef | i even combined the location and button toolbars, like in your pic |
| 20:36.44 | kolla_ | nor the windows/apps menu |
| 20:36.48 | benJIman | you mean tabs as in website tabs? |
| 20:36.50 | Swedish_Chef | yes |
| 20:36.58 | kolla_ | but that's just me :) |
| 20:37.00 | doleyb | are they bigger than tabs in Windows? |
| 20:37.04 | benJIman | they're not particularly big |
| 20:37.05 | Swedish_Chef | does windows even have tabs? |
| 20:37.17 | Swedish_Chef | benJIman: well, i was just wondering if there was a way to reduce the size of the tab bar |
| 20:37.24 | Swedish_Chef | or combine it with the location bra |
| 20:37.27 | Swedish_Chef | bar, even |
| 20:37.34 | benJIman | not that I know of, it couldn't be much smaller anyway |
| 20:37.50 | kolla_ | windows, the reference platform for "user-friendlyness" |
| 20:38.38 | aseigo | ug |
| 20:39.00 | aseigo | i've had to have a windows box on my desk for the first time in several years for the last few weeks to sync up with some code in this project |
| 20:39.03 | benJIman | lol such useful features as copying 100 files and first one it can't copy you have to abort the whole process and guess where you got to |
| 20:39.13 | aseigo | and let me tell you, windows is the biggest turd i've had to endure in a long while |
| 20:39.30 | aseigo | and i'm really dissapointed, too ... i was told that VS was an awesome IDE --> it's crapo |
| 20:39.44 | benJIman | people rave about the debugger in vs |
| 20:39.44 | aseigo | i was told that win32 was more consistent --> every app i use is completely different |
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| 20:39.53 | benJIman | yeah even msoffice is different |
| 20:39.53 | aseigo | it's ok. |
| 20:40.08 | Swedish_Chef | i really dislike using windows |
| 20:40.11 | kolla_ | I was being sarcastic, I just find it ironic how people use windows as reference for how KDE should look/behave |
| 20:40.19 | aseigo | what's great is that every app i installed has been different thus far in installation and sometimes even the widgets of the final app. and all these cd's came in the same bundle. |
| 20:40.26 | Swedish_Chef | mostly because ati's drivers really suck and it causes windows to be too unstable |
| 20:40.28 | parph | msoffice is decent compared to openoffice, i hate openoffice |
| 20:40.32 | aseigo | i really do wonder what hooka the windows fans have hooked their faces up to |
| 20:40.32 | chrisx2 | Hey Any1 Help Me On The Menu I Dont Have No Programs Installed or any menus eg system, internet ect... Any Ideas? |
| 20:40.54 | aseigo | parph: yeah, ooo isn't great =( we do need to get more resources behind the native office suites |
| 20:41.00 | benJIman | it's what they're used to, so it must be better |
| 20:41.11 | aseigo | chrisx2: try running: kbuildsycoca --noincremental |
| 20:41.36 | parph | aseigo, kde should take the lead and make it's office program compatible with word, exel etc file formats |
| 20:41.54 | kolla_ | chrisx2: why are you typing all words with first character in uppercase? |
| 20:41.57 | aseigo | parph: we do have filters but they are lacking in developer resources |
| 20:42.06 | aseigo | parph: if you are suggesting using that as the native format, that's the worst thing we coudl do |
| 20:42.16 | benJIman | indeed |
| 20:42.21 | aseigo | parph: the word and excel filters aren't half bad these days, but they aren't as good as the OOo ones yet |
| 20:42.36 | parph | I just mean it should be able to read, write word and exel files |
| 20:42.39 | parph | that is a must |
| 20:42.42 | aseigo | right... i agree |
| 20:43.21 | aseigo | really one of the worst things that OOo has done is deliver a half-assed office suite that works just good enough to draw attention and resources off of the much more valuable KDE and GNOME office aps |
| 20:43.24 | aseigo | er, apps |
| 20:43.40 | parph | windows users hate change generally, I suggested installing linux on my friends computer, because she kept getting viruses, trojans etc even with a firewall and anti-virus, every few months she got problems. |
| 20:43.43 | Theory | however, it does run on windows |
| 20:43.51 | aseigo | Theory: and? |
| 20:43.51 | parph | I installed gaim on her machine to give her a taste of linux apps and she hated it |
| 20:43.54 | chrisx2 | aseigo: ill try it |
| 20:43.58 | parph | it don't look like ym yahoo she ays :) |
| 20:44.08 | parph | ym=my |
| 20:44.13 | aseigo | parph: yeah, the "linux apps on windows makes converts" is a myth |
| 20:44.44 | parph | I said look, how convenient, msn, yahoo all in 1 program, she wouldn't even try using it |
| 20:44.47 | lauri | and you know, so many people are just sheep |
| 20:44.51 | lauri | and use what they're given |
| 20:45.05 | lauri | (I've installed a number of KDE desktops on people at work's machines) |
| 20:45.26 | lauri | about 2/3rds spend their first half hour looking where you change the colours and wallpaper, and then don't hardly notice it's any different |
| 20:45.27 | aseigo | what a difference a single word can make |
| 20:45.32 | aseigo | yep |
| 20:45.34 | parph | she barely knows how to use windows, and learning a new program, however easy is not something she wants to do. She is terrified of her computer |
| 20:45.46 | lauri | the other third spend their first couple of hours bitching like mad, until they realise I'm not going to give them windows back |
| 20:45.47 | benJIman | refusing to support windows can work well, as long as they know that no matter what viruses/adware/etc they get on their system you'll fix it they won't change |
| 20:46.05 | lauri | then they get on with doing their work, hardly noticing it's any different, once they actually start using it |
| 20:46.06 | parph | lauri, are these work users? |
| 20:46.13 | lauri | parph: yes :) |
| 20:46.24 | lauri | but the reason they get KDE is we have a web bloxy |
| 20:46.27 | parph | how come you are able to force them to use something |
| 20:46.31 | lauri | aka a REALLY restrictive proxy |
| 20:46.34 | lauri | no hotmail |
| 20:46.36 | lauri | no google |
| 20:46.44 | lauri | no *nothing*, no chat, no private email, nada |
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| 20:46.52 | parph | that kinda sucks ass |
| 20:46.53 | doleyb | no google, why even give internet? |
| 20:46.58 | lauri | if they're using windows, they have a whitelist of websites, the corporate mail server, nothing |
| 20:47.13 | lauri | they don't need internet to work (just access to our webserver) |
| 20:47.14 | benJIman | many people seem to learn how to use things by the exact look of icons/names of things, so the slightest change throws them off completely |
| 20:47.19 | lauri | but the KDE users don't have to go through the proxy |
| 20:47.25 | parph | can they even listen to audio cd's while they work |
| 20:47.26 | lauri | only the windows users |
| 20:47.32 | lauri | parph: not on windows |
| 20:47.36 | parph | haha |
| 20:47.38 | lauri | they can if they opt for KDE though :) |
| 20:47.45 | parph | yeah that audio cd might give them a virus |
| 20:47.56 | doleyb | so kde users don't have to work?? |
| 20:48.00 | lauri | this lot, that wouldn't surprise me |
| 20:48.10 | parph | what a ridiculous restriction |
| 20:48.14 | lauri | KDE users go through another proxy, it is quite a lot less strict |
| 20:48.26 | aseigo | lauri: hm. i like that strategy. a lot. |
| 20:48.38 | lauri | why? they're their to work (and I have a radio license for internal streaming, they can give me cd's to rip and still listen) |
| 20:48.44 | lauri | (don't assume things :) |
| 20:48.55 | parph | oh yes |
| 20:49.20 | parph | they use kde on what, dumb terminals or real machines |
| 20:49.34 | aseigo | we prefer the term "thin client" versus "dump terminal" ;) |
| 20:49.37 | lauri | some of both (it's turned into a good way to recycle some of the older machines too) |
| 20:49.41 | parph | dumb |
| 20:49.43 | aseigo | one sounds more chic, the other less intelligent |
| 20:50.03 | aseigo | yeah, dumb.. sorry |
| 20:50.20 | aseigo | good thing i don't type for a living! |
| 20:50.21 | aseigo | oh wait. |
| 20:50.34 | parph | I like dumb terminal better, it sounds more blunt |
| 20:50.42 | lauri | depends what I've got, and who it is (the production and packing people, they don't need much software, just a browser to get at the intranet reports telling them what stuff to pack next, and the media player, so they can fight over what to stream next) |
| 20:50.52 | Swedish_Chef | kolla_: i don't necessarily like the windows interface better |
| 20:51.08 | Swedish_Chef | it's just that i don't want my filemanager taking up more space than what it's displaying |
| 20:51.23 | lauri | and anyway, you wouldn't believe how silly corporate desktop users can be |
| 20:51.25 | parph | I'm trying to convince my friend to install suse linux on her desktop, but she want to buy a mac just because of all her virus problems. I'm like save your $2000 man |
| 20:52.38 | lauri | restricting them as hard as possible, is the only possible way to keep the viruses off their machines (and the reason to restrict the audio cd's is actually that most of hte machines have had their cd drives physically removed, because they were bringing in home burnt cd's of all sorts of weird shit, and giving themselves viruses) |
| 20:52.38 | kolla_ | parph: why do you care? you want to be her helpdesk, huh? *nudge nudge* :) |
| 20:52.48 | parph | hoho |
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| 20:52.49 | lauri | or, giving them KDE |
| 20:53.21 | parph | all my friends/family end up coming to me with SOS flags waving |
| 20:53.38 | lauri | (we're talking people who in one case, had every mail he ever got, since 1997 *in his inbox* in outlook - when he logged in, the whole network came to a halt) |
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| 20:53.57 | lauri | when he logged in from china, and it timed out, and he logged in again, by the fifth or 6th time, it took out the mail server |
| 20:54.01 | Solak | Hello. |
| 20:54.06 | parph | yikes, tell him dude, delete something |
| 20:54.15 | lauri | i would, but he's the CEO :) |
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| 20:54.34 | kolla_ | parph: she could get a mini-mac and live happy ever after |
| 20:54.38 | chrisx3 | hmm any1 know why my menu applications aint showing on my bar on mdk ? |
| 20:54.40 | parph | don't walk on eggshells |
| 20:54.52 | lauri | parph: I don't (don't assume) |
| 20:54.56 | parph | Kolla_, I don't want my friend to needlessly waste her money |
| 20:55.02 | lauri | he's also a good friend of mine, or I wouldn't put up with working for him |
| 20:55.10 | kolla_ | parph: why would it be a waste? |
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| 20:55.25 | parph | Because she has a perfectly functional machine |
| 20:55.33 | Solak | I remember settings in KView that allowed to use certain keys (in this case ctrl-left/right) to browse through all available images in one directory, but for some reason these settings are gone and I'm unable to find them in the docs. anyone know the trick to get that feature back? |
| 20:55.35 | parph | Dude, $2000 is alot of money |
| 20:55.42 | kolla_ | parph: she could sell it |
| 20:55.49 | kolla_ | 2000? |
| 20:55.57 | lauri | (and the only reason he's my boss, is he bought out my company when I was going to close it, and hired my old staff, and nagged me into staying on to help out, I only work part time now though) |
| 20:56.00 | parph | for what, $200? |
| 20:56.15 | GraveDigger | hi folks! i've got a little issue about the libusb - i want to see the battery status of my wireless mouse in kcontrol - but it tells me about missing permissions, it all works as root - so what is wrong? could anyone help please? |
| 20:56.15 | parph | a 1 ghz celeron will not go for much these days |
| 20:56.30 | kolla_ | what about the 2000? |
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| 20:56.39 | kolla_ | you could make her a fileserver from it |
| 20:56.39 | parph | huh |
| 20:56.52 | kolla_ | or whatever |
| 20:56.54 | parph | kolla_ thats silly speak |
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| 20:57.55 | kolla_ | the mini-mac isnt $2000 anyways |
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| 20:58.15 | GraveDigger | anyone got a idea about the usb mouse issue? |
| 20:58.16 | parph | your missing the point whatever the cost is, it's a cost. |
| 20:58.18 | kolla_ | more like $500 |
| 20:58.27 | Ravensky | mac minis are $500, $600 if you want faster processor and slightly larger HDD |
| 20:59.00 | Ravensky | canllaith, you around? |
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| 20:59.17 | kolla_ | parph: so you rather want her ot waste time messing around with linux? or will you do that for her? :) |
| 20:59.23 | kolla_ | s/ot/to |
| 20:59.27 | parph | a celeron 1ghz is perfectly able to web browse, listen to mp3's, and read emails. There is no reason to ditch it |
| 20:59.51 | parph | If I set up everything nice in linux she won't need to change a thing |
| 20:59.53 | Ravensky | well, anyone really. Doesnt somebody know what style this is? |
| 20:59.56 | Ravensky | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/svn-features/images/kopete-id.png |
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| 21:00.44 | parph | click web browser button, click email button, click amarok button, thats all she will be doing |
| 21:00.47 | aseigo | Ravensky: that's the linspire style |
| 21:00.48 | kolla_ | parph: sure, but can you? will she be satisfied with it? |
| 21:00.55 | Ravensky | thought so |
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| 21:01.13 | aseigo | kolla_: "messing around with linux" that's what hobbyists and geeks do, not ends users =) |
| 21:01.17 | aseigo | er, end users |
| 21:01.30 | Solak | <shame> *duh* </shame> |
| 21:01.35 | aseigo | kolla_: people just turn their machines on, get their work done, shut if off. |
| 21:01.44 | kolla_ | aseigo: linux turns end users into hobbyists very quickly :) |
| 21:01.49 | Solak | I found the missing option, sorry. |
| 21:02.07 | Theory | my parents are sucessfully remaining end users :-) |
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| 21:02.22 | kolla_ | aseigo: yes I know, only with these fancy OSes of today, turning the machine off is for some odd reason bad :) |
| 21:02.53 | aseigo | kolla_: hehe.. yeah, i'm an always-on guy too |
| 21:03.09 | parph | a linux machine should be no different than an xp machine to my friend, she uses the computer to write documents, and web browse mostly, linux is no harder than windows in that respect. She's not going to be compiling programs in the command prompt |
| 21:03.31 | Solak | hmm, except that alt -> and alt <- don't work :-( |
| 21:03.43 | aseigo | parph: in fact, in some ways i'd suggest it's easier |
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| 21:03.48 | dun3 | I wrote a script and need to impliment a GUI for it. I want to use kdialog but am trying to figure out if I can. My problem is i need to have check boxes and right now --checklist is doing it more as a list. The boxes is key. Does the --style option let me change this?, and if so where can I find out more? |
| 21:03.50 | aseigo | parph: sesson management alone is a godsend for those people |
| 21:03.50 | lauri | aseigo: ditto |
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| 21:03.55 | parph | aseigo, exactly, my friend is kinda high strung, every time she gets viruses she freaks out |
| 21:03.57 | chrisx3 | any1 know why my menu applications aint showing on my bar on mdk ? |
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| 21:04.12 | Ravensky | is there any way to get rid of the big bottom border thing on Linspire Clear window deco? |
| 21:04.18 | lauri | aseigo: ssh in and fix is a godsend to me too |
| 21:04.23 | kolla_ | parph: but.. perhaps she'd like to burn a CD with music at some point, or create a DVD with a picture slide show or even movie clips on |
| 21:04.29 | parph | having a solid stable linux desktop she won't get a freaking nervous breakdown every few months |
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| 21:04.41 | _pierre_ | hi, where is a good place to write all the things that should be ran when i log into a KDE session? |
| 21:04.45 | parph | kolla these are non issues, she never does those things |
| 21:05.00 | benJIman | _pierre_: ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 21:05.14 | chrisx3 | no1 can help me? |
| 21:05.17 | parph | she can't even find files in her computer with explorer she uses search in xp to find things |
| 21:05.32 | kolla_ | personally I'd wanted to do full screen 2D animations on linux for like.. 10-12 years. |
| 21:05.33 | lauri | aseigo: the trick, really, is to make it something very desirable, not to browbeat people into it because "it's cooler" |
| 21:05.47 | parph | I imagine having a big home button in kde might be simpler even |
| 21:05.56 | aseigo | lauri: yep. |
| 21:06.04 | kolla_ | sounds like KDE is overkill for her :) |
| 21:06.21 | Solak | hmm, some options are hard to find in kde... |
| 21:06.31 | parph | there is no such thing as overkill, you use what you need |
| 21:06.32 | lauri | (and a couple of people have asked to switch, not because they cared about the proxy restrictions, but they literally noticed that at the lunchtime bitch sessions about the computers, the KDE users weren't joining in anymore, that kind of thing) |
| 21:06.45 | lauri | grassroots word of mouth beats fanatical evangelism every time |
| 21:06.45 | kolla_ | so give her fvwm |
| 21:06.55 | kolla_ | or whatever light weight window manager |
| 21:06.55 | _pierre_ | benJIman: thanks again :) i think for the second time today |
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| 21:06.58 | parph | nah |
| 21:07.13 | parph | kde looks similar to windows, that is a plus |
| 21:07.19 | Solak | kolla_: or IceWM... xfce4 perhaps, but that's growing too. |
| 21:07.30 | kolla_ | parph: fvwm95 then :) |
| 21:07.36 | Solak | parph: you can make it look that way :-) |
| 21:08.18 | kolla_ | parph: KDE looks like windows, but does not work like windows, that might be very confusing |
| 21:08.18 | aseigo | how is fvwm2 or icewm in any way an improvement? |
| 21:08.18 | lauri | KDE doesn't look like any windows I ever saw |
| 21:08.19 | aseigo | other than providing an environment that isn't as integrated and which makes starting up kde apps slower? |
| 21:08.23 | lauri | other than having like, windows, and things |
| 21:08.24 | kolla_ | aseigo: over twm? oh, I dont know.. :) |
| 21:08.27 | aseigo | both of which are minuses for most end users |
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| 21:10.02 | aseigo | no, over a full KDE env |
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| 21:10.02 | parph | I stick with kde, it's good |
| 21:10.02 | kolla_ | aseigo: it provides less? we talked about a user that only would browse, read email and write documents |
| 21:10.02 | kolla_ | that's 3 applications |
| 21:10.26 | lauri | and this is #kde |
| 21:10.30 | lauri | we like kde in here :) |
| 21:10.35 | lauri | oddly enough |
| 21:10.44 | parph | lauri, what kinda company do you work in |
| 21:10.46 | Theory | I find my parents get confused by anything which involves the k menu |
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| 21:10.49 | kolla_ | yes, it's really strange :) |
| 21:10.58 | lauri | parph: what kind of companies are there? |
| 21:11.07 | parph | like what do they do |
| 21:11.20 | lauri | oh, textiles and furnishings |
| 21:11.25 | kolla_ | Theory: same here, and same with the windows menu btw, and every time they change it, it just gets more confusing :) |
| 21:11.29 | parph | oh yes, that is what I was asking |
| 21:11.42 | aseigo | kolla_: yes, and the integration of the desktop, panels, etc is important to those sorts of people |
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| 21:12.41 | kolla_ | aseigo: especially panels that are dragable and that might vanish by a few unintende mouse clicks |
| 21:12.46 | kolla_ | oh yes |
| 21:13.07 | kolla_ | and the darn settings are even _stored_ - alwyas |
| 21:13.19 | kolla_ | so it wont even help if they log out and back in again |
| 21:13.20 | aseigo | kolla_: i'm not following you. are you dissing kicker? |
| 21:13.28 | kolla_ | aseigo: sure |
| 21:13.35 | parph | I have 2 hard drives on my computer, one with linux, the other with windows, the windows one has all my mp3's. I want to ditch the hard drive i'm using for linux and put everything on that other drive. Trouble is, I have so many mp3's I don't know how to back them up. |
| 21:13.43 | aseigo | kolla_: do you know you can lock kicker? |
| 21:13.44 | parph | My linusx drive is super loud and I think it is dying |
| 21:13.55 | kolla_ | aseigo: nope, there is no huge "lock me" icon in the menu |
| 21:14.01 | aseigo | kolla_: and have you also tried moving the panel in the last couple of releases? it's not a matter of moving a few pixels |
| 21:14.06 | kolla_ | so how my parent would have known, I have no idea |
| 21:14.07 | aseigo | kolla_: well, there is in 3.5 |
| 21:14.16 | kolla_ | woohee |
| 21:14.17 | aseigo | kolla_: and prior to 3.5, it's been there known as "kiosk" |
| 21:14.31 | parph | what to do with 60+gigs of music |
| 21:14.35 | kolla_ | how.. intuitive.. not :) |
| 21:14.35 | aseigo | kolla_: when i set someone's system up, if they have problems with moving the panel, i usually just lock it FOR them |
| 21:14.51 | kolla_ | aseigo: arent they lucky to have YOU around :) |
| 21:14.55 | aseigo | yeah, like your parents would've found a Lock Me entry in the menu either |
| 21:15.35 | kolla_ | aseigo: why is it not in the panel preferences where it belongs? |
| 21:15.36 | aseigo | kolla_: so this happened for them? they moved a panel and coldn't find it again? |
| 21:15.41 | parph | any ideas what I should do |
| 21:15.55 | aseigo | kolla_: because if you lock the panel, you can't easily get to the preferences! |
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| 21:16.01 | aseigo | lock --> no changes |
| 21:16.06 | aseigo | no changes --> no preferences |
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| 21:16.27 | kolla_ | what? |
| 21:16.31 | aseigo | and no, i'm not about to go spending a bunch of time making the config dialog check for it being locked and putting a "click here to unlock your panel so you can use this dialog" butotn |
| 21:17.01 | kolla_ | I dont see why those should be related |
| 21:17.13 | aseigo | fair enough. trust me: they are |
| 21:18.19 | kolla_ | I also _really_ dislike how I cannot snapshot the icons to a certain position, a position that they will _remember_, so that if they for some reason are moved around, I could "clean up" and have them go to their saved position |
| 21:19.00 | kolla_ | aseigo: how daft :) |
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| 21:19.26 | rr73 | l8 aseigo |
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| 21:19.33 | aseigo | in 3.4 you certainly can do that. and in 3.5 you can do it via the GUI even |
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| 21:19.49 | kolla_ | aseigo: really now.. how? |
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| 21:20.28 | aseigo | kolla_: put a [$i] next to the group for that button in kickerrc |
| 21:20.37 | kolla_ | ? |
| 21:20.41 | kolla_ | I talk about the desktop |
| 21:20.48 | kolla_ | icons.. not docks |
| 21:20.58 | benJIman | ooh I'd not noticed that new locking icons option, that's nice |
| 21:21.17 | benJIman | assuming they stay there after logging out and back in |
| 21:21.48 | aseigo | kolla_: ah.. desktop icons. well, that'll be fixed in kde4 as i've annexed the desktop in kde4 |
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| 21:23.04 | oGALAXYo | kolla_: heya.. |
| 21:23.14 | kolla_ | oGALAXYo: woo :) |
| 21:23.40 | oGALAXYo | aseigo: is it possible to make the taskbar bubbles as big as the ones of the launcher in the panel ? the clock and launchers are all same size but the ones in taskbar are smaller.. |
| 21:23.44 | kolla_ | aseigo: I dont understand the "put a [$i]..." part |
| 21:24.01 | kolla_ | oGALAXYo: yikes.. you want more bubbles? |
| 21:24.05 | kolla_ | :) |
| 21:24.16 | oGALAXYo | ya |
| 21:24.30 | kolla_ | took me forever to find out that they were "effects" and not "help text" |
| 21:25.25 | Ravensky | weee, the bug reporter timed out on me |
| 21:25.39 | Ravensky | there it goes |
| 21:25.55 | kolla_ | oh.. in kickstartrc |
| 21:25.57 | kolla_ | right |
| 21:26.11 | kolla_ | sorry.. kickerrc |
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| 21:26.23 | kolla_ | finger macros going havoc |
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| 21:27.22 | benJIman | oGALAXYo: the taskbar ones depend on the length of the titlebar text |
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| 21:27.40 | benJIman | the taskbar bubble for this window is particularly big as it includes the topic |
| 21:27.40 | munzir | hi |
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| 21:28.05 | kolla_ | aseigo: you know if the menuline applet for kicker is being fixed? |
| 21:28.10 | munzir | can any one tell me how to play a file in one PC and direct the sound to another PC? |
| 21:28.24 | aseigo | oGALAXYo: unfortunately no.. =( those icons come from the applications, and the spec doesn't have multiple icon sizes by default |
| 21:28.36 | aseigo | oGALAXYo: kde apps tend to AFAIK, but it makes non-kde apps look fugly |
| 21:28.42 | PhilRod | munzir: network transparency with artsd - there's a howto online somewhere |
| 21:28.50 | PhilRod | I got it working once, several years ago |
| 21:29.04 | oGALAXYo | aseigo: i see.. well it doesnt matter much... |
| 21:29.57 | kolla_ | aseigo: could you fix kicker so that you can assign hotkeys bring up a hidden panel? |
| 21:29.59 | kolla_ | er.. |
| 21:30.23 | kolla_ | I didnt intend to make that look like a naging wish request |
| 21:30.41 | oGALAXYo | kolla_: hahahaha :) |
| 21:30.50 | oGALAXYo | kolla_: i still recall you from mos channel :) |
| 21:30.53 | aseigo | kolla_: didn't get around to that yet, not.. too many other broken things =( |
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| 21:30.56 | oGALAXYo | not nagging is your second name :) |
| 21:30.56 | kolla_ | can one set up kicker to bring up a hidden panel on a hotkey |
| 21:31.01 | aseigo | kolla_: patches welcome though. |
| 21:31.05 | kolla_ | ok |
| 21:31.07 | aseigo | kolla_: and remember that you can have more than one panel =) |
| 21:31.16 | aseigo | kolla_: i do agree that would be nice, though |
| 21:31.30 | kolla_ | aseigo: I have 3 already, used to have 4 |
| 21:31.39 | munzir | PhilRod: I have a humble knowledge here but haven't I heard before that artsd is obsoleted in favor of somethin? |
| 21:31.44 | kolla_ | but due to buggy menu applet, I'm now down to 3 |
| 21:32.08 | PhilRod | ~arts-kde4 |
| 21:32.08 | apt | arts is unmaintained, for KDE 4 (and not before) there will probably be a backend independent architecture allowing you to choose what sound engine (or none) to use via an abstracted API, if you want to know more, you should read the 5 or 6 hundred post long thread on the kde-multimedia mailing list archives |
| 21:32.16 | PhilRod | munzir: ^^^ |
| 21:32.39 | kolla_ | one at the bottom with newticker, one at the top with tray, special menues, clock etc.. then one popup at the bottom with launcher docks, and then I used to have one popup at the top with menu applet |
| 21:32.47 | kolla_ | newsticker |
| 21:33.14 | kolla_ | also... a depth gadget on the windows is missing |
| 21:33.30 | kolla_ | for us who prefer click to focus |
| 21:34.36 | oGALAXYo | heh osnews is such an retarded place.. |
| 21:35.18 | aseigo | depth gadget? |
| 21:35.24 | kolla_ | one can define what shal happen when one click with a given mouse button on an active/inactive window, but I'd really like to only have double click bring windows to front |
| 21:35.24 | aseigo | "take the reading, mccoy!" |
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| 21:35.28 | oGALAXYo | bedtime.. talk to you people later |
| 21:35.36 | aseigo | oGALAXYo: g'nite |
| 21:35.42 | oGALAXYo | n8 |
| 21:35.45 | aseigo | heh ... double click. ick |
| 21:36.18 | kolla_ | aseigo: yes, depth, a gadget on the window bar that will bring windows to the front if there is some other window over it, and bring to the bottom if it's already at the top |
| 21:36.46 | kolla_ | s/bottom/most below/ |
| 21:36.55 | aseigo | kolla_: sort of like middle clicking on the title bar? |
| 21:37.04 | kolla_ | sort of |
| 21:37.27 | munzir | PhilRod, apt: so until kde comes with something superior, do I have any other option besides artsd (even if not kde-related)? |
| 21:38.02 | aseigo | munzir: not really |
| 21:38.11 | aseigo | munzir: some specific apps support other engines... |
| 21:38.36 | aseigo | munzir: e.g. juk and amarok support gstreamer (or at least, versions of gstreamer) ... and you can use an external command line palyer for knotify noises |
| 21:38.44 | kolla_ | aseigo: not all devices/systems have a usable middle mouse button |
| 21:38.59 | kolla_ | also, midle mouse button doesnt bring windows up front |
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| 21:41.09 | kolla_ | aseigo: also.. If I click _inside_ and active window, it is brought frontmost.. I hate that |
| 21:41.14 | kolla_ | s/and/an |
| 21:41.19 | PhilRod | munzir: no idea what other options there are. Ask in #yourdistro, or some audio-related channel |
| 21:41.49 | aseigo | kolla_: i agree that it's hard to make a window manager that works for every esoteric taste |
| 21:41.56 | PhilRod | I think the NMM framework will do it |
| 21:42.00 | aseigo | kolla_: i'd suggest using a non-kwin window manager with kde then |
| 21:42.32 | Ravensky | yay, Konq crashed when trying to open a new tab! |
| 21:42.33 | kolla_ | *shrug* |
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| 21:43.33 | kolla_ | Ravensky: a new empty tab, or one with a inline mpeg? :) |
| 21:43.55 | Ravensky | empty |
| 21:44.03 | Ravensky | ctrl+t |
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| 21:53.40 | tuxxman | hello |
| 21:53.51 | tuxxman | what is the battery manager that is at the bottom of kicker |
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| 21:54.44 | tuxxman | hello there |
| 21:54.50 | PhilRod | hi |
| 21:54.56 | tuxxman | do u know what the battery manager is for kde? |
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| 21:55.41 | PhilRod | the kicker applet? |
| 21:55.44 | PhilRod | no |
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| 21:55.49 | tuxxman | bummer |
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| 21:56.12 | PhilRod | there's kbatmon, or something equally prosaically named, I think |
| 21:57.08 | benJIman | kpowersave |
| 21:57.35 | Ravensky | I wish I styleclock could show 12-hour time |
| 22:02.27 | kolla_ | why kpowersave and not klaptop? |
| 22:02.46 | tuxxman | both are not commands |
| 22:03.07 | kolla_ | kicker applets |
| 22:03.29 | tuxxman | how do i start them w/o kicker |
| 22:03.47 | tuxxman | like from a diff wm |
| 22:03.53 | kolla_ | no idea |
| 22:04.20 | aseigo | appletprox nameofapplets.desktop |
| 22:04.21 | tuxxman | damnit |
| 22:04.22 | aseigo | er, appletproxy |
| 22:04.28 | aseigo | or just run kicker. |
| 22:04.38 | aseigo | you CAN do that even if you don't run kwin =) |
| 22:05.10 | tuxxman | ba |
| 22:05.11 | tuxxman | h |
| 22:05.23 | tuxxman | whats a battery manager |
| 22:05.24 | tuxxman | i need one |
| 22:05.32 | tuxxman | tired of battery dying at random times |
| 22:05.55 | kolla_ | random times? |
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| 22:06.07 | tuxxman | aseigo: it doesnt work |
| 22:06.13 | kolla_ | mine only "dies" when it is empty :) |
| 22:06.17 | tuxxman | bah |
| 22:06.18 | tuxxman | that too |
| 22:06.23 | aseigo | tuxxman: it certainly does. |
| 22:06.27 | tuxxman | not here |
| 22:06.28 | aseigo | tuxxman: what's the applet you are trying to run? |
| 22:06.36 | kolla_ | klaptop |
| 22:06.41 | tuxxman | kbatmon |
| 22:07.09 | tuxxman | i did appletproxy klaptop.window |
| 22:07.21 | tuxxman | and it said error failed to load applet |
| 22:07.34 | kolla_ | .window? |
| 22:07.37 | aseigo | .window? heh.. ok.. no, klaptopdaemon uses the system tray |
| 22:07.52 | tuxxman | whats my window |
| 22:07.54 | tuxxman | im lost |
| 22:08.00 | aseigo | so what you want to do is: appletproxy systemtrayapplet.desktop |
| 22:08.06 | tuxxman | oh |
| 22:08.16 | aseigo | then klaptopdaemon's icon will apear in there .. happy chanukah |
| 22:09.33 | kolla_ | it should work with ther trays too though, right? |
| 22:09.39 | aseigo | yes |
| 22:09.39 | kolla_ | other |
| 22:09.47 | aseigo | well, gnome's tray |
| 22:09.53 | aseigo | hopefully |
| 22:10.01 | kolla_ | :) |
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| 22:15.05 | rr72 | kaffeine wont let me put in the path to win32 codecs |
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| 22:15.22 | rr72 | i put it in then i open a wmv and it doesnt work |
| 22:15.30 | rr72 | i go back in and its changed |
| 22:16.17 | rr72 | any ideas kde peaple? |
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| 22:17.58 | rr72 | any ideas kde peaple? |
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| 22:30.14 | stibby | i have a question about kdevelop |
| 22:30.25 | stibby | can i get the file browsing-sidebar to show files in tree-view? |
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| 22:30.38 | stibby | (the setting is present in konqueror as well as Quanta-Plus IDE) |
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| 22:40.33 | simcop2388 | is there any way to make konqueror open mp3's with an external program rather than with the embedded player? |
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| 22:43.36 | grepper | sure |
| 22:44.04 | grepper | just reconfigure the filetype |
| 22:44.17 | simcop2388 | i can't seem to put in my own custom command (at the moment i'm only running kde 3.2.3) |
| 22:44.25 | rumanzini | Hi, does somebody know how to protect applications with a password?? for example, that when I try opening kmail it demands user pass |
| 22:44.28 | grepper | r-click on a mp3 file and hit the gear icon |
| 22:44.43 | grepper | r-click ->properties |
| 22:46.22 | simcop2388 | grepper: thats just it, i've got the general section going but it wants to use the embedded section (its in a frame in an html page...) |
| 22:46.23 | grepper | rumanzini: you mean the password to access your mail server ? |
| 22:46.38 | grepper | simcop2387: and how is it configured ? |
| 22:46.59 | grepper | its set to open if external app and the app you want is at the front of the list ? |
| 22:47.10 | grepper | s/if external/in external/ |
| 22:47.34 | simcop2388 | grepper, it works fine outside of the html page like i want but i'm using the html frames to create my own sidebar |
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| 22:48.53 | simcop2388 | grepper, you know a way i can create my own sidebar? |
| 22:48.54 | rumanzini | I refer to access to the application, it would be kmail or another program, that a pass would be demanded to open the program |
| 22:49.01 | rumanzini | I hope you understand me :) |
| 22:49.18 | simcop2388 | hmm |
| 22:49.27 | canllaith | Ravensky: I'm around now, why did you ask ? |
| 22:50.18 | grepper | change the perms so that only a specific user or group can use the app I guess |
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| 22:52.09 | Ravensky | canllaith, nevermind |
| 22:52.23 | rumanzini | ok, I'll try change it for the root, what I want is that my family don't be able to access to kmail while I'm going out, because I leave turned of the computer |
| 22:52.39 | rumanzini | *turned on |
| 22:53.30 | canllaith | Ravensky: k :P |
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| 22:57.17 | grepper | rumanzini: just remember that it is already owned by root group root most likely |
| 22:57.49 | grepper | so chown root:root `which kmail` is not going to cut it :) |
| 22:57.49 | doleyb | rumanzini: maybe kiosk mode is what you want? |
| 22:58.00 | grepper | you will need to change the perms |
| 22:58.51 | grepper | why don't you just create user accounts for them and not let them use your account ? |
| 23:00.46 | rumanzini | I let them using the computer, but I wouldn't like they can read my email, and I usually leave the computer downloading in p2p and in this way my session is open and they can access to kmail o whatever they want, it's that I want to avoid |
| 23:01.30 | rumanzini | I have done chmod 700 /usr/bin/kmail and then (copying from the icon that launches synaptic) this: /usr/sbin/su-to-root -X -c kmail |
| 23:02.08 | rumanzini | now it demands the root password for opening the program, I introduce it but kmail doesn't open, I don't understand :( |
| 23:02.30 | rumanzini | doleyb I don't know what kiosk mode is, I'm going to investigate :) |
| 23:04.03 | grepper | lock your session and let them open another session |
| 23:04.08 | madpenguin8 | kpov r0Xors |
| 23:04.42 | madpenguin8 | http://madpenguin8.pwsp.net/files/gloss_speaker.png |
| 23:04.51 | grepper | your solution is not going to be good for you anyway, as you will end up running kmail as root |
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| 23:05.18 | rumanzini | yes, it is true... |
| 23:05.51 | rumanzini | how could I mantain my machine working but with the session locked? |
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| 23:06.39 | doleyb | rumanzini do you have a padlock icon on the taskbar? |
| 23:06.45 | grepper | doesn't your lock session dialog give an option to run a new session ? |
| 23:06.50 | grepper | mine does |
| 23:06.58 | grepper | that is what this is for |
| 23:07.07 | grepper | this kind of situation |
| 23:07.26 | grepper | kmenu->lock session |
| 23:07.34 | doleyb | I used to have one of those, but not anymore (new session button) |
| 23:07.41 | grepper | you use kdm ? |
| 23:07.55 | doleyb | me, i use kdm yes. |
| 23:08.17 | doleyb | i have debian. long ago, an auto-upgrade added choices for new session, and then later they went away again. |
| 23:08.39 | doleyb | its not important for me, i was just curious what enables that button. |
| 23:09.00 | rumanzini | jejje it works perfectly, I've just tested it, I had never fixed in that option... |
| 23:09.50 | rumanzini | thank you very much grepper and doleyb |
| 23:10.01 | grepper | rumanzini: ok, great |
| 23:10.07 | grepper | doleyb: check kdmrc |
| 23:10.13 | grepper | grep ReserveServers kdmrc |
| 23:10.33 | grepper | ReserveServers=:1,:2,:3 |
| 23:10.52 | simcop2388 | how would i add a new application for previewing files (in the file association dialog it is the embedding tab) |
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| 23:22.32 | Ravensky | umm, apparently I dont have kde-config |
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| 23:24.30 | jahbul0n | boy, this place sure is silent :| |
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| 23:33.42 | rg58sma | hii?? |
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| 23:34.04 | jahbul0n | rg58sma, are you logged into irc as root? |
| 23:34.17 | rg58sma | can translate kde to spanish in arch???????'''' |
| 23:34.18 | rg58sma | yes |
| 23:34.37 | jahbul0n | rg58sma, first things first |
| 23:34.46 | rg58sma | ok |
| 23:34.49 | rg58sma | qhat?? |
| 23:34.51 | jahbul0n | you're not supposed to use xchat while logged in as root |
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| 23:35.20 | rg58sma | im like user but not changee the name |
| 23:35.22 | rg58sma | im user |
| 23:35.34 | jahbul0n | hah. in that case, its ok- |
| 23:35.38 | welson_ | kdeinit could not launch, i get my movie file to open successfully if i use 'open with' (konqueror).. something i'm missing? |
| 23:35.58 | jahbul0n | and btw, i dont see anyone talking in here either- i am just idling around |
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| 23:37.16 | abc | hello |
| 23:37.30 | Roey | hi |
| 23:37.53 | rg58sma | can translate kde to spanish in arch???????'''' |
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| 23:38.41 | Roey | So this columnist here proposes that KDE abandon Qt for its next release: http://linuxtoday.com/developer/2005070602026OPKELL |
| 23:40.17 | HuntsMan | rg58sma: install kde-i18n-es |
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| 23:43.13 | HuntsMan | Roey: sounds like pure FUD |
| 23:43.58 | Roey | HuntsMan: this guy is proposing that kde switch over JUST BECAUSE of the license? |
| 23:44.06 | HuntsMan | yeah |
| 23:44.58 | Roey | silly columnist. |
| 23:44.59 | Roey | sigh |
| 23:45.09 | Roey | how many times have I heard the counterarguments to this fud before. |
| 23:45.15 | Ravensky | how does KDE get permission to use Qt anyhow? I thought Qt didnt have a public lisense |
| 23:45.15 | HuntsMan | Red Hat, Sun and Novell. None of them, that is right, zero out of three, use KDE for their enterprise desktop |
| 23:45.18 | HuntsMan | yeah right |
| 23:45.25 | HuntsMan | Ravensky: GPL license |
| 23:45.28 | canllaith | Qt does have gpl license |
| 23:45.36 | Ravensky | it does? heh |
| 23:45.38 | canllaith | and KDE have made negotiations with Qt to ensure there will always be a free Qt for KDE |
| 23:45.51 | Ravensky | has it always been GPL? |
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| 23:45.57 | HuntsMan | Ravensky: no |
| 23:46.30 | Ravensky | hmm, I guess I never noticed that it switched to GPL before |
| 23:46.48 | CondorDes | The author's main point seems to be that commercial developers can't release closed-source software for KDE without paying for the Qt license. I'm not seeing a problem here... ;P |
| 23:46.56 | Roey | canllaith: also, he uses insure incorrectly. |
| 23:46.58 | canllaith | Indeed. |
| 23:47.00 | Roey | canllaith: instead of 'ensure' |
| 23:47.05 | canllaith | Roey: heh you pedant you |
| 23:47.14 | Roey | *pedantic |
| 23:47.16 | canllaith | I know of at least 2 businesses in NZ that use a commercial Qt license |
| 23:47.16 | Roey | oh |
| 23:47.21 | Ravensky | hmm. I dont get how Linspire gets away with making people pay for free software |
| 23:47.22 | Roey | oh I thought you said "how pedantic of you" |
| 23:47.23 | Roey | my bad. |
| 23:47.28 | Roey | canllaith: it really bothered me :( |
| 23:47.33 | canllaith | Because interestingly enough, it's not free software! |
| 23:47.34 | Roey | canllaith: but you used it correctly! |
| 23:47.48 | canllaith | They brand it, package it, add nice things to it and ask you to pay for their work. No problems. |
| 23:47.51 | canllaith | They also release all the sources |
| 23:48.00 | canllaith | I'm currencly using linspire themes for example that I grabbed the sources of and built on slackware |
| 23:48.04 | HuntsMan | yeah, no problem |
| 23:48.12 | Ravensky | ya, I'm using the Linspire theme right now too |
| 23:48.15 | canllaith | Nothing stopping you from downloading free linspire if you wanted to. |
| 23:48.25 | Ravensky | but the CNR thing |
| 23:48.29 | canllaith | They don't exactly flash neon lights about it, but it's all there as per gpl terms. |
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| 23:56.57 | mvincent | hey guys, looking for pointers on how to get involved in a project |
| 23:57.04 | annma | mvincent: yes |
| 23:57.15 | annma | did you choose which project? |
| 23:57.21 | annma | or what area you want ot help in? |
| 23:57.44 | mvincent | am looking for smaller project, has been a while since I have last coded |
| 23:58.02 | annma | so it's for coding? |
| 23:58.07 | mvincent | yes |
| 23:58.17 | annma | what is your area of interest? |
| 23:58.33 | annma | small projects are basically games and kdeedu |
| 23:58.52 | mvincent | annma: games possibly |
| 23:59.00 | annma | or something like KsCD |
| 23:59.11 | annma | ok, we have plenty of games that would need love |
| 23:59.27 | annma | do you have KDE from svn? |
| 23:59.29 | mvincent | what would i need to do to get started |
| 23:59.38 | annma | you need KDE from svn HEAD |
| 23:59.45 | annma | kdelibs kdebase and kdegames |
| 23:59.50 | annma | then have a look at the games |
