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00:01.33Uruaso artsplay is unable to play ogg files now
00:02.01Razor-XI just use ogg123 meself
00:02.09Razor-Xusing cplay as a frontend, of course
00:02.27UruaWell kinda ruins the KDE soundsystem of playing anysound
00:03.09Uruakpoker plays sounds since they are wavs
00:03.32Uruaif I use ogg123, and it uses the aRts plugin, it dies too
00:03.46StevenRUrua: sounds like your arts if broken then
00:04.04Razor-Xodd....
00:04.21Uruadamn
00:04.22Razor-XI have ogg123 playing to arts, and it's fine
00:04.59UruaI try ogg123 once, it tries aRts and returns 'Killed' if I use the same command line again... ogg123 uses alsa
00:05.03Uruaand it works
00:05.26kendrickhttp://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107691
00:05.29StevenRUrua: hence my conclusion, arts == broken....recompile it i think
00:05.44Uruathis is my 3rd time recompiling it
00:06.29StevenRUrua: check that it is including ogg/vorbis support
00:06.55Uruahmm it is version  arts-3.4.1-r2...   maybe if I try r1
00:07.23UruaI am searching the gnetoo forums
00:07.57Urua*gentoo
00:10.46StevenRUrua: arts latest version is 1.4.1
00:12.01Uruawow, they just spit out updates
00:12.11kendrickuh... is it me, or does Konqueror not have an "Empty Trash" option in any of it's menus?
00:12.19UruaI am also seeing if I need a newer version of vorbis libs and such
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00:13.25Uruaright click on trash to empty it
00:14.48morgajelalright, posted my bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93113
00:15.10Uruaalso, not all of KInfoCenter is working for me.. sighs
00:17.12Uruabrb
00:21.36kendrickUrua, but my Konqueror window is full-screen
00:21.42kendrickand i cannot see the Trash on the desktop
00:21.45kendrickbut I'm looking IN the trash :)
00:21.58kendrickhrm, apparently, i broke konq, though
00:22.14StevenRkendrick: right click on the file space in trash view
00:22.23kendrickyeah, i know
00:22.25kendrickthat's lame
00:22.37StevenRyes, there should be a menu option
00:22.40kendrickif you can do it with right-click, you DEFINITELY should be able to do it WITHOUT right-click
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00:26.08ritalindoes kde have a application for opening portS?
00:26.56StevenRritalin: what exactly do you mean?
00:27.43ritalinwell heres my issue: I cant get bittorrent to work on my machine
00:27.52ritalinive tried several different clients
00:28.01ritalinim just wondering if i have some port blocked
00:28.17ritalinit isnt my network cause it works on my laptop and other desktop
00:28.23ritalinany ideas?
00:28.32StevenRritalin: do you have a fireall setup?
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00:29.12kendrickhrm, once browsed into a folder, is there a way to have Konq 'switch' to root mode?
00:29.23kendrick(like "Browse here as superuser")
00:29.55StevenRkendrick: could open with kdesu konqueror
00:30.07kendrickhow?
00:30.26ritalinStevenR: not sure
00:30.28kendrickit'd be nice to have a service for it, i guess
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00:30.37kendricklike, right now, i can right-click and say "OPen Terminal Here"
00:30.44StevenRritalin: nmap yourself and find out
00:30.57StevenRritalin: and check any setup you have...eg yast
00:31.47kendrickwoah
00:32.01kendricki'm running kdesu konq, but i cannot change permissions of /media/keychain0/guest/Mail
00:32.18kendrickack! where'd my files go!?
00:33.22kendrickis there a KDE 'fsck' tool? :)
00:34.08kendrickwoah! i can't drag a file to my K menu!
00:34.41kendrick(I wanted to drag to K, then pull open System, then More Applications, and drop it on the root File Manager)
00:34.57ritalinStevenR: PORT   STATE SERVICE
00:34.57ritalin22/tcp open  ssh
00:34.57ritalin25/tcp open  smtp
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00:35.04ritalinthats what nmap shows
00:35.36aljosaanybody here uses o-r mapper for c++ or python?
00:36.56StevenRritalin: you need to find out if something is forcing the bittorrent ports to be kept closed....and that is distro specific
00:38.09ritalinI see
00:38.25ritalinWhat distro do you use?
00:38.33StevenRslackware -current
00:38.35ritalinIm not even on a linux, Freebsd here
00:38.55ritalinhow is slackware?
00:39.26StevenRslackware is good. i can't help with *bsd, not used them much at all
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00:43.17kendrickman, i'm on a roll :)
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00:51.08kendrickshit!
00:51.30kendricki thought if you dragged a file on top of a folder (or some other browsable thing, like a fish:/), that it would pop up a window if you hovered long enough
00:51.34kendrickmaybe that was my mac :)
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00:51.49amayo
00:52.24canllaithIt does if you turn it on I think
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00:52.29kendrickoh, where?
00:53.07canllaithHrm that's a good question, even I get confused by konqi preferences
00:53.08canllaithmoment
00:53.16kendrickhehe
00:53.25kendrickthey STILL haven't changed the icons in Konq's configure
00:53.43kendrickhaving three icons that look like a file cabinet, and three that look like konq logos is confusing
00:53.53kendricki should submit something to that new kde art site :)
00:54.23canllaithI find it not confusing, because I can read.
00:54.28kendrickhehe :)
00:54.37canllaithI am sure there was an option!
00:54.41canllaithPerhaps I am delusional
00:54.41kendrickwell, i'm a man, s oi'm much more visual :)
00:54.46kendricki watch tv... my wife reads :)
00:54.51kendrickokay, time to submit a wishlist then! :)
00:55.11canllaithMine does it by default
00:55.19canllaithIf I hover a dropped file over a folder it springs open
00:55.31kendrickwhich KDE vers?
00:55.35canllaith3.4.1
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00:57.26kendrickdamn :( :(
00:58.38kendrickugh
00:58.47kendricksometimes when i click an icon to select it, it opens :^(
00:59.05kendrickit's as though it thinks i'm double-clicking, just because i clicked another, different file, <1s ago :(
00:59.37amaim still using kde 3.3.0
01:00.23kendrickweird... there IS a 3.4.1 dir over at alioth
01:00.37kendrickoh, huh...  *shrug*  now it works, wtf :)
01:00.41kendrick+s
01:00.50kendrickwoo! 253 upgraded packages :)
01:00.58kendricki'll stop submitting wishlists now ;)
01:01.03kendricktime to clean the office... thx canllaith
01:01.20canllaithYou should file them under the right category too
01:01.21canllaithkmenu = kicker
01:02.00kendrickoh hey, shit...
01:02.04kendrickyeah :)
01:02.17kendricki guess i was thinking of it as a konq thing, since i'm dragging from konq... but, duh :)
01:02.43kendrickbah! where's the easy "Report Bug" link in Kicker, eh?
01:02.49kendricki should file a bug report for Konq about that ;)
01:03.02canllaithlol there is one surely
01:03.06canllaithif not I'll fix it
01:03.14canllaithAye there is
01:03.31canllaithRight click on the kmenu -> Panel menu -> Help -> Report bug
01:05.09kendrickyeah, there it is :)
01:05.17kendricki didn't get enough sleep last night, or enough food today ;)
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01:18.53StonieWhat is everyones favorite MP3 player / jukebox for Linux?
01:19.06StevenRamarok
01:19.11canllaithamaroK
01:19.16canllaithand noatun, sometimes. (Hey, it's cute.)
01:19.43StevenRheya canllaith, hows things?
01:19.49canllaithGood thanks :)
01:20.16StevenR:)
01:20.34Stoniewhere can I get Amarok?
01:20.50StevenRamarok.kde.org
01:21.16amai like amarok too
01:21.20amabefore that i used juk
01:21.50Stoniethx
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01:29.02annmaamarok ++
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01:35.04sophie_msumuhello
01:35.37sophie_msumuI d like to know how to customize my kdm :)
01:37.37sophie_msumukde 3.3 on slackware 10.1
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01:46.54StevenRsophie_msumu: kcontrol, system admin section
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01:53.11sophie_msumuStevenR: I d like to install new kdm themes and I ve just read that it s impossible :(
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02:13.49Octaneanyone know of a good ksim theme
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02:32.10Alethesdepends on your desktop theme
02:32.16Alethesyou can use anything that's made for gkrellm
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02:54.55User_Xanyone?
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03:22.30DhraakellianAlethes, really?
03:22.31Dhraakellianhmm
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03:34.25pembo13how can I go about migrating my passwords stored in kdewallet to another install?
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04:17.52Puma82heloo, Im have troule with kopete saying my username or password is invalid
04:18.01Puma82trouble*
04:18.08Puma82for MSN
04:18.17Puma82AIM works fine
04:20.00mobtekmight be an msn prob Puma82
04:20.14Puma82nope
04:20.18Puma82gaim works fine
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04:20.36Puma82but that thing is gaff
04:21.29Puma82Im using KDE 3.3
04:21.40Puma82Mandriva LE 2005
04:21.46Puma82if that helps
04:22.01Alethesthere's a new release of kopete that fixes that bug
04:22.22Puma82how do I see what version im running
04:22.45AlethesHelp/About Kopete
04:23.23Puma820.9.2
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04:23.30TVSEThi
04:23.46Puma82crap thats the bad version
04:23.50TVSETI'm trying to run this command: konsole --nohist --nomenubar --noframe --noscrollbar --schema Transparent.schema -tn xterm -e 'tail -f /var/log/messages'
04:24.03TVSETbut I get this error: Uh oh.. can't get terminal attributes..
04:24.16TVSEThow can I fix it?
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04:29.11johnfSo where is the IRC channel for kdevelop?
04:32.05grepperis that a trick question ?
04:32.23Aletheshaha
04:32.44sbcl3#kdevelop
04:33.07grepperdamn, I knew it !  It was a trick question
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04:35.05johnfthanks but for some reason I can't get to kdevelop!
04:35.48sbcl3type "/join #kdevelop"
04:35.51sbcl3odd
04:35.56sbcl3./join #kdevelop
04:36.00johnfSorry it's working now - just I'm the only person???
04:36.03sbcl3type that but without the period
04:36.10sbcl3what server are you on?
04:36.25sbcl3did you get on via irc.freenode.net?
04:36.30sbcl3or irc.kde.org?
04:36.40johnfbrown.freenode.net
04:37.41Puma82is there a kopete rpm
04:38.12johnfI'm using KVIrc - I'm new to it.
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04:42.46TVSEThow can I do "Window options-->Advanced-->No border" from the script for some window?
04:43.11canllaithTVSET, kstart
04:43.44TVSETcanllaith: thanks!
04:45.16canllaithkstart --help shows you all, and it can do some very cool things
04:45.39TVSETcanllaith: yes, I see.  But --noborder is not there ;)
04:47.23grepperkstart --type Override
04:47.25grepperI think
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04:49.28TVSETnope.  --type Desktop is without border, but it is full screen ;)
04:49.36TVSETanyway, I'll go through all of them ;)
04:50.26grepperworks for me
04:51.09TVSEToh, yes.  I just misspelled it ;)
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04:55.10TVSEThmm... if I add --skippager to kstart than the border reappears
04:55.11TVSET:)
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05:26.21Puma82is there an rpm of the kopete
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06:31.59Razor-Xhello?
06:34.04arrummzenHello
06:34.25arrummzenIs there a way for me to force kdesktop_lock to lock my desktop when grabInput() fails?
06:35.12arrummzenAnd kdesktop_lock --forcelock also fails...
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08:57.09dkeffynhi all, question on themes, why can I not get any to work
08:57.58dkeffynI download theme after theme from kde-look but I cant get them to work :( if I browse to a .theme or .ktheme I cant even see them
09:03.31PhilRodcan you load them in control center -> appearance & themes -> themes?
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09:10.00dkeffynPhilOut, no I cant
09:10.09dkeffynthat is where I am trying to load them
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09:42.50Frost^does konqueror support spell checking in web forms?
09:43.58mart_kFrost^: Here it does...
09:44.09Frost^do you know how to enable it?
09:45.20dkeffynI am looking for a MAC OS X theme for KDE, is there a suggested one around?
09:45.37dkeffynI cant find any themes that work on this darn machine
09:45.48mart_kFrost^: Have you configured spell checking in the kde configuration menu?
09:45.55dkeffynanything from kde-lookn doesnt work
09:46.34Frost^mart_k, can you please show me the way?
09:46.52Frost^kcontrol -> kde components -> spell checker
09:46.55Frost^that's where I am
09:47.09mart_kFrost^: I think that is the place to setup it.
09:47.09Frost^do I need to check the 2 checkboxes?
09:47.35mart_kFrost^: I have both unchecked.
09:48.14Frost^mart_k, same here, but I don't have any spell checking enabled
09:48.29mart_kFrost^: The importent setting there are other options: dict. and client.
09:48.50Frost^mart_k, what do you have selected there?
09:49.37mart_kFrost^: Default - Dutch for dictionairy and ASpell as client.
09:50.12mart_kFrost^: This settings works if you have "aspell" with the right dictionairy installed.
09:51.29Frost^mart_k, trying
09:51.53mart_kdkeffyn: Baghira is a theme that looks like Mac OS X.
09:52.42mart_kFrost^: You can check if you have aspell (or ispell) installed by typing "aspell" resp. "ispell" in Konsole.
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09:54.25Frost^mart_k, looks like I had aspell installed but no dictionary for it. no wonder it didn't work
09:54.27Frost^thanks a lot
09:55.03mart_kFrost^: np.
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10:10.52earthsounddoes kde have a gui user editor?
10:11.39mart_kearthsound: What do you mean with "gui user editor"?
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10:12.15earthsounda user editor, w/ a graphical user interface
10:12.23whirmearthsound: kuser=
10:12.24earthsound...something that I can use to manage users/groups
10:12.25whirm?
10:12.52earthsoundthanks whirm  :)
10:13.03whirmnothing :)
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10:32.01dkeffynis there anyway to find an rpm of baghira
10:32.14dkeffynI cant get cvs or tarball to comile correctly
10:33.30mart_kdkeffyn: There are several in rpmfind.net, but I don't know if there is one for your distribution / version.
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10:33.53mart_kdkeffyn: What is the error during compiling?
10:34.03earthsoundanyone have any experience w/ HPLIP and kdeprint?
10:35.40dkeffynchecking whether g++ supports -Wmissing-format-attribute... no
10:35.49dkeffyna whole bunch of those
10:36.31mart_kdkeffyn: Have you installed the compiler?
10:36.41dkeffynbut I will wait until yea
10:36.52dkeffynI am upgrading to FC4
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10:37.02dkeffynI will wait until it is finished
10:38.25mart_kdkeffyn: If you can't find a rpm, it is always possible to compile it (the packages needed for that are easier to find).
10:38.46dkeffynyea true
10:38.58dkeffynI was just hoping it would be a simple fix :)
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10:39.47mart_kdkeffyn: If is usefull anyway if you can compile something: not for every program is a rpm available.
10:40.25dkeffynyea I will normally do that, but in the case of a simple theme I was hoping to not have to compile a buch of stugg
10:40.31dkeffynsgg/suff
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10:57.27bluelightninginteresting... I just found why I was having problems playing movies smoothly on my desktop
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10:58.49bluelightningI had added kasbar to kicker a few days ago, then hid it using the arrow button at the left... using the menus showed that it was still "added", but I can't see how to get it back
10:59.13bluelightningstill, removing it fixed the CPU usage problem and movies are playing smoothly again
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12:44.53nctHi. With QT4, is it possible to set some environment variable so that Arthur uses OpenGL as a backend? Is it possible to create QWidgets over a QGLWidget so that they are rendered using OpenGL ? There is no such demo in rc1
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12:45.52PhilRodnct: #kde-devel or #qt are more likely to know
12:46.10nctPhilRod, already asked on #qt, I will ask on #kde-devel, thx
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13:08.58steffenstrobelhello everybody, i have a problem with a k menu entry: between "control center" and the "utilitys" menu, i have a kpdf entry, i can not remove it with the menu editor! i had something simillar with kaffeine, but i removed a .desktop file and it was gone... perhaps i need to do this again, but what file should i remove? I think these "sticky" entrys are sometimes made wehn i start a kde application from the konsole...
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13:11.07PhilRodthe K menu is stored in ~/.config/menus - you could try manually editing one of the XML files there
13:11.18steffenstrobelone small addition: the stickiy entrys are under the "All Applications" Section, and not most used etc.!
13:12.59steffenstrobelPhilRod: thanks for your tip, but the KPDF entry is not in this file
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13:19.58Vensonsteffenstrobel: look in ~/.local/share/applications/ ?
13:20.50steffenstrobelVenson: also thanks, there a a few .desktop files, but not a KPDF related file...
13:21.42Vensonsteffenstrobel: if i were you, i'd run a grep on the kde folder for kpdf (might give you a bunch of results to look at, but that's better than nothing)
13:22.02Vensonsteffenstrobel: grep "kpdf" -rsinH ~/.kde
13:22.15thiagotry "locate kpdf.desktop" first
13:22.26thiagoit might be in $KDEDIR instead
13:22.49Vensonhmm..that's right...gotta alienate the problem first..good call
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13:27.25anisXHappy Father`s Day!!!
13:27.28anisX:D
13:27.39steffenstrobelthiago and Venson: i did a find . -name kpdf.desktop -print in / and the only file found was ./usr/kde/3.4/share/applications/kde/kpdf.desktop
13:28.31Vensonsteffenstrobel: try moving that somewhere else...see if it disappears...or else the problem is elsewhere
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13:30.29steffenstrobelVenson: it's now awawy from the Grphics menu, but its still in the main menu
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13:33.42bemused0okay
13:33.51bemused0ie looked all over, i hope someone i alive
13:34.07AL13Nso, about kdelirc
13:34.08bemused0does anyone know ohw to specify which packages/apps will be compiled when using konstruct
13:34.26AL13Ni got kdelirc working, well, at least, it recognizes my remote
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13:34.43AL13Nbut when i press add action, the whole app hangs
13:35.17steffenstrobelVenson: hey, i have found the problem: i removed .kde/share/applnk/kpdf_part.desktop from my homedirectory....
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14:00.57Vensonsteffenstrobel: excellent...good work
14:03.06steffenstrobelVenson: i have to thank for your grep tip, in the grep output if found that file, and when i right klicked in konqeror/applications i also saw this file, but could not remove it, and now grep showed me where it was... One mor thing, could you please write steffenstrobel: test or something like that (want to try the konversation osd menu :) )...
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14:03.39Vensonsteffenstrobel: test
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14:04.08lethal_any nice code editor? (besides quanta)
14:04.11steffenstrobelVenson: ok thanks, osd works, but the fonts look not antialised...
14:04.19Vensonlethal_: Kdevelop
14:04.22Vensonlethal_: Kate
14:04.27Vensonlethal_: depends on what you want to code
14:04.57Vensonsteffenstrobel: have you turned on AA in the KDE Control Center?
14:05.27Kamping_Kaiserhow do you change the keyboard map in KDE?
14:06.30steffenstrobelVenson: i think i found the problem, there was some strange font set, i changed it to bitream vera sans and now i hope it looks as beautiful as in other kde apps! could you send me a steffenstrobel: abc message again to test?
14:06.51VensonKamping_Kaiser: Control Center -> Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Layout
14:07.05Kamping_Kaiserthanks
14:07.09Vensonsteffenstrobel: abc message age to test? :)
14:07.19Venson*again
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14:08.18steffenstrobelVenson: thanks, the mesage font is now great, but the Konversation OSD title still looks a litte bit old fashioned :)
14:08.35Venson:)
14:09.15steffenstrobelVenson: one more steffenstrobel: 123 please (the last one) :)
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14:12.35lethal_Venson, its for C/java/etc... i'm looking for something simple like a notepad, but with tabs, syntax highlighting, identation and nothing more
14:14.03whirmlethal_: kate
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14:16.18StevenRlethal_: there's kwrite
14:17.11lethal_whirm, StevenR i'll try it, thanks :)
14:21.19TenJackdid anyone else notice that the Qt4 header files got moved around?
14:21.30TenJacknow the kdelibs4 ./configure script hates me :-(
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14:33.53Vensoni love Kate
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14:38.55tamis there a problem in kde 3.4 with kontact and rss feed?
14:39.18steffenstrobelVenson: could you please send me one last steffenstrobel: test message? ( i hope that now sound, osd, and blinking icon notification are working...) THANKS!
14:39.27Vensonsteffenstrobel: test
14:39.52steffenstrobelVenson: THANKS! everything now works as desired!!! :)
14:40.01Vensonsteffenstrobel: nice
14:40.04thiagotam: no
14:41.01StevenRtam: if you mean akregator, then i didn't notice any problems
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14:41.35lippeltam: akregator or feeds in summary page?
14:41.49tamsorry, i actually meant akregator guys
14:41.57tamtam@spud:~$ akregator &
14:41.57tam[1] 25498
14:41.57tamtam@spud:~$
14:41.57tam[1]+  Done                    akregator
14:42.11tamnothing appears
14:42.27thiagotam: not even in the systray?
14:42.30StevenRtam: is kontact running?
14:42.31lippeltam: do you have the part loaded in kontact?
14:42.45tamin kontact it says its a standalone program
14:42.53tamand kontact is running.
14:43.06lippeldo killall -9 akregator and try again
14:43.49tamlippel: i actually forgot about that! thanks. it worked first time. i wonder why it didn't actually work first time tho'. thanks for the tip once again
14:44.20lippeltam: there was no systray icon before the kill?
14:44.36tamlippel: nope. 100% not
14:46.01AL13Ni got kdelirc working, well, at least, it recognizes my remote, but when i press add action, the whole app hangs; anyone has the same problem?
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14:56.49StevenRAL13N: can you add a mode?
14:57.17AL13Ni think so, if i press it, it reacts
14:58.23AL13Nyes, i can
14:59.05AL13Nwhen clicking on add action, the appl hangs, doesn't redraw and after a while, there's an app doesn't react window
14:59.13AL13NStevenR: what do you think it is?
14:59.40StevenRAL13N: are you trying to add actions without modes?
14:59.56StevenRAL13N: add a mode, and then try to add an action to the mode
15:01.10StevenRAL13N: check the logfiles for errors, eg ~/.xsession-errors
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15:01.36AL13Ni tried first, but now i added an action to a mode "test" i added
15:01.47AL13Nxsession-errors???
15:01.54AL13Nwhat does that have to do with irkick?
15:02.50thiagothat's where every output goes for programs not started in a terminal
15:02.55Latemfor some reason my desktop icons always rearange themselves when I login into KDE, like I order them the way I want, and set Align to Grid, and they rearrage on login, but are still aligned to grid.  I do not have any sorting on.  (KDE 3.3.2, Mandriva LE 2005). Any ideas?
15:03.09StevenRAL13N: it's an X app isn't it, running in an X session, so any errors it has will be there
15:03.42StevenRLatem: do you have kde set to create icons for mounted cdroms etc?
15:04.09Latemthere is no CDRom icon, but i do have a floppy and zip disk icon
15:04.18Latemand when i put in a cd a cd icon appears
15:04.21Latemso I think yes
15:04.30Latemi dont know where do I check that?>
15:04.47StevenRLatem: disable that setting in the desktop properties, right click, select configure desktop or whatever it is
15:04.52thiagoLatem: fixed on Subversion
15:05.02Latemoh jeez
15:05.04Latemok
15:05.12Latemmandriva sucks
15:05.17Latemi should switch
15:05.22StevenRthiago: is it fixed in any release? or will be in the next one?
15:05.27Latemit's so bad for updating kde
15:05.30thiagoStevenR: KDE 3.5 only
15:05.31Latemand its always behind
15:05.38AL13NStevenR: adding a mode gives the following: http://pastebin.com/301820
15:05.59AL13Nadding an action does nothing except crash not irkick, but that config window
15:06.04AL13Nwell not crash, more like hang
15:06.15StevenRAL13N: i have no idea what those error mean
15:06.32AL13Nwell, they are X errors
15:06.37Latemthiago, you use Mandriva?
15:06.56AL13Nbut the adding mode works
15:07.05StevenRAL13N: can you add an action to the mode?
15:07.08Vensoni thought 3.4 would be the last..then kde 4.0...oh well..there's joy in updating kde
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15:07.25AL13NStevenR: no, pressing that button hangs this window
15:07.29StevenRVenson: 3.5, then 4.0 afaik
15:07.34AL13Nit doesn't redraw anymore
15:07.37StevenRAL13N: maybe you need to update kde?
15:07.46AL13Nkde 3.3.2
15:07.48StevenRAL13N: or at least irkick?
15:08.04VensonStevenR: gotcha...any idea when it is due? I'm poking around kde.org now
15:08.10AL13Ni don't think kdelirc has changed much since kde 3.3.2
15:08.25AL13Nat least the SVN didn't list any changes since then
15:08.41StevenRAL13N: what is this kdelirc, it doesn't exist here
15:08.50thiagoLatem: yes and no :)
15:09.02thiagoLatem: I use Conectiva
15:09.02AL13Nkdelirc is the package name
15:09.06AL13Nthiago: lol
15:09.08Latemoh ok, so how do you keep up your KDE
15:09.15Latemu compile from source?
15:09.23Latemup to date*
15:09.28thiagoyes
15:09.30Latemgod I cant type
15:09.32AL13Nkdelirc is in kdeutils-common
15:09.33thiagoevery week, or every other week
15:09.44AL13Nit contains irkick and kcmlirc
15:09.50Latemso does MCC have any problems with you doing that?
15:09.59Latemor you compile EVERYTHING from source
15:10.00AL13Nirkick is the tray thing, and kcmlirc is the config app
15:10.34StevenRAL13N: so there isn't actually anything called kdelirc
15:10.49AL13Nit's a subpackage of kdeutils-common
15:10.52thiagoLatem: I don't have MCC
15:10.59thiagoLatem: there's no such thing
15:11.01Latemog
15:11.02AL13Nthiago: not yet ;-)?
15:11.03Latemh right
15:11.04Latemsorry
15:11.12thiagoAL13N: maybe :)
15:11.27StevenRAL13N: what distro?
15:11.30thiagoAL13N: I'll be using Mandriva (proper) when I can upgrade.
15:11.33AL13Nthiago: hehe, i think MCC is a great tool and connectiva's config apps should fit in great
15:11.37thiagoAL13N: right now, Mandriva 2005 would be a downgrade
15:11.44AL13Nthiago: 't would
15:11.47Latemyea for sure
15:12.03AL13Nthiago: so you are going to try mandrivis 2006 then ;-) ?
15:12.09thiagoAL13N: yes
15:12.18AL13Nnotice the name change ;-)
15:12.29thiagoI did :)
15:12.36thiagomaybe they should add a y somewhere
15:12.38AL13Ni donno what it will be, of course
15:12.50thiagoall I know is that it'll be smart-based
15:12.52AL13Nmyndriva ?
15:12.56AL13Nsmart ?
15:13.05AL13Nwhat is smart?
15:13.06thiagoyes. Death to urpmi! :)
15:13.14AL13Nthiago: oh no
15:13.22AL13Nurpmi is great
15:13.26thiagourpmi will be provided, of course
15:13.28thiagosame with apt-get
15:13.34thiagobut the default should be smart
15:13.46AL13Ni thought they will merge some features from smart to urpmi and make that default
15:13.54thiagoyes, make smart the default :)
15:14.05thiagomerge the urpmi features into it
15:14.11AL13Nthiago: i don't see how that would be possible
15:14.25AL13Nwith their mirrors and stuff
15:14.32AL13Ni donno
15:14.40thiagoI don't see a problem
15:14.42AL13Nfor all i know, they could use autopackage as standard ;-)
15:14.59thiagoIIUC, smart is already used to upgrade from 2005 to Cooker
15:15.10AL13NStevenR: i use mandriva's 2005
15:15.15Latemi just hope it will make it easier to upgrade software, especially KDE
15:15.21AL13Nthiago: no?
15:15.34thiagoLatem: that's mostly a policy of making consistent packages
15:15.42thiagoLatem: but even Conectiva had problems sometimes with KDE upgrades
15:15.43AL13Non what is smart based actually?
15:15.49thiagoAL13N: Python
15:16.05AL13Nyeah, but is it binary or source?
15:16.05StevenRAL13N: mandriva seems to have the wierdest packagingness...
15:16.14thiagoAL13N: it's Python :)
15:16.18AL13NStevenR: what do you mean?
15:16.32thiagoStevenR: Mandrake had some weird policies, yes. Conectiva had saner ones.
15:16.38thiago600 packages for KDE.
15:16.41AL13Nyeah
15:16.42StevenRAL13N: all these packages and subpackages and kdeutils=common and things all split up
15:16.50AL13Nbut i think that that's a strength of urpmi
15:16.51StevenRthiago: 600? yikes!
15:17.09thiagoStevenR: why would you want to install docs for all languages?
15:17.11AL13NStevenR: hey, you install what you want
15:17.25StevenRthiago: i don't
15:17.32AL13Nor just kate for example, without all the others
15:17.42StevenRthiago: they're in the separate i18n packages, thankfully
15:17.49thiagoStevenR: exactly. So the packages are split by languages.
15:18.10AL13Nso that's already 30 something i18n packages
15:18.34StevenRthiago: slackware has kdebase, kdelibs, etc, etc....then it has i18n packages, one for each language.
15:18.41AL13Nand every program is more or less separate
15:18.59AL13Nkdebase-kate
15:19.04AL13Nkdeutils-kdf
15:19.13AL13Nalso, lib64kdeutils-kdf
15:19.18AL13Nand kdeutils-devel
15:19.20AL13Netc...
15:19.42AL13Nthe numbers easily increase
15:20.10AL13Nthiago: is smart source or binary based? does it use rpm also or something totally diff?
15:20.54thiagoAL13N: ah, sorry
15:20.59thiagoI thought you meant smart's source code
15:21.12thiagono, smart can install anything: rpm, deb and tgz
15:21.22AL13Noh, like autopackage
15:21.23thiagobut it's NOT meant to do cross-distributions installations
15:21.25thiagono
15:21.33thiagoit's not "one package for all"
15:21.34AL13Nso mandriva prolly will use smart with rpm then
15:21.36StevenRI have 20 kde packages, including qt, kdevelop and koffice. Then I have 93 language packages, of which i only have one installed
15:21.55thiagoit's "I can do what urpmi/yum/apt-get/up2date did"
15:22.08thiago# apt-cache search k.*i18n.* | wc -l
15:22.08thiago200
15:22.17AL13Nthiago: so smart can invoke urpmi?
15:22.31AL13Nthiago: whoa
15:22.55thiagono, it won't invoke urpmi
15:22.59thiagoit replaces urpmi
15:23.02thiagoit will call rpm
15:23.10thiagowww.smartpm.org
15:24.28AL13Nurpmi has around 120 i18n packages
15:24.47AL13Nluckily they'll improve rpm as well
15:25.34AL13Nhas smart good src.rpm handling?
15:26.09AL13Nurpmi still lacks some of those handlings for src.rpm, but they're working on that, though they need rpm to change a bit too
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15:26.59AL13NStevenR: i'm trying to find the responsible code for that button
15:29.06AL13NStevenR: it looks like something in http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.3.2/kdeutils/kdelirc/kcmlirc/kcmlirc.cpp?rev=411963&view=markup slotAddAction function
15:29.16AL13Nbut i don't really see anything wrong
15:29.25AL13Nunless those siblings are looped
15:32.30StevenRAL13N: i don't understand the c++ code, sorry. OOP is just wierd
15:36.28morgajelthe concepts are simple, but the implementations are ugly
15:37.05morgajelStevenR: if you're interested in learning OOP, start with a language like Ruby- read an intro tutorial on it and see how it works.
15:38.02StevenRmorgajel: i understnad how oop works, i just think it's wierd...doesn't fit the way my brain thinks about programming
15:38.11morgajelaah, ok
15:38.23morgajelI feel the same way abour prolog :)
15:38.53morgajelI can handle perl, php, ruby, java and even to a small extent C... but prolog drives me up the wall :)
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15:41.25goronHow can I change the standard editor (e.g. when double clicking on a file)? Now, it's on the terrible default KWord. For stuff with an extension it works, but not for stuff without it.
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15:43.13AL13NStevenR: it's not so diff from normal coding
15:43.32AL13Njust you work alot with functions as arguments in functions
15:44.14StevenRAL13N: OOP and !OOP are completely different ways of thinking about programming.
15:44.45AL13Ni disagree with you there
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15:45.07goronAL13N: Good OOP programming is about invariant. (Unlike Java)
15:45.27StevenRAL13N: explain why they are the same then
15:45.28goroner invariants
15:45.47goronThey are both Turing-Complete...
15:45.56goronBut so is ASM.
15:46.29goronAnyone got an idea for my problem?
15:47.04goronI want to change the standard for "text" files. There should be some mimetype configuration option somewhere.
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15:47.24StevenRgoron: kcontrol, kde components, file associations
15:47.40goronStevenR: heh, I was already in kcontrol...
15:47.45goronBut didn't see that
15:50.20goronStevenR: Only... it doesn't work. I add /usr/local/bin/kedit, but it doesn't add it.
15:50.53StevenRhmm
15:51.29goronRemoving works.. but is not reflected in  Konqueror
15:51.55goronSo removing "works".
15:53.30goronIs there some text file where I can change it?
15:53.37goronIt's *very* annoying.
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15:54.30StevenRgoron: somewhere in ~/.kde/
15:54.36AL13NStevenR: OOP has the advantage that in codes you don't have to supply an extra variable to your function
15:54.54AL13Nand that it is more prominent to supply functions in structs
15:54.56goronStevenR: Wow, that's only a needle in a haystack...
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15:55.41AL13Ngoron: maybe you need to kill all konquerors before doing that again
15:55.53AL13Nwho knows, it might only work at relogin
15:56.09goronAL13N: Who, knows maybe it doesn't work ever...
15:56.19raphaelIs it possible that http://www.kde.de is down? I get a timeout on the server...
15:56.22AL13Ngoron: i'd doubt that
15:56.50AL13Nraphael: nah, it's just that your network doesn't work ;-) j/k ;-)
15:57.01raphaelhehe ;)
15:57.28goronkde.de is down for me too.
15:57.32goronorg is up though
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15:58.59StevenRgoron: ~/.kde/share/mimelnk/ i think
15:59.33StevenRAL13N: what do you mean extra variable?
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16:02.00goronStevenR: There are no examples in the file => unable to put in correct syntax.
16:02.51StevenRgoron: get them from the similar place in your kde install tree, eg /opt/kde/share/mimelnk
16:03.13goronStevenR: ow, ok.
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16:07.48goronStevenR: I skimmed this tree of dirs: /usr/local/share/mimelnk/
16:07.59StevenRyes
16:08.03goronStevenR: But  guess the defaults are hardcoded
16:08.07goronEr I gues
16:08.11goronEr I guess
16:08.16StevenRno, should be in that dir
16:08.26goronStevenR: I have found "plain".
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16:08.39goronStevenR: But the point is: I don't have a clue what to put in it.
16:08.51StevenRgoron: look at the other items
16:09.02goronStevenR: I have looked at at least three,
16:09.24goronStevenR: I don't see a line saying: execute this app.
16:11.42AL13NStevenR: if you program modular software (especially if it's multithreaded) on not-OOP, you mostly use a technique where you make an extra parameter in the function where you supply a pointer to a struct containing most of the info
16:12.08AL13Nwhich is more or less like the object variable of the function (if you use OOP)
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16:14.22bsimshey quick question... KDE doesn't want to thumbnail large jpgs how do I tell it to do it anyway?
16:15.10StevenRbsims: increase the size threshold for previews
16:15.15bsimsthanks
16:16.45StevenRAL13N: object variable of the function? which function?
16:17.05AL13Noi
16:17.26AL13NStevenR: on OOP, you have something like CLASS::function(params);
16:17.54AL13Nin that function you can use this as a object variable
16:18.10StevenRok, different terminology....i would say Class::Method(params)
16:18.15AL13Nin non_OOP, this gets solved by putting an extra param in the function
16:18.31AL13Neh, what's in a name
16:18.50AL13Nfunction(somestruct_t * this, params);
16:19.25StevenRAL13N: well, i was taught that objects don't have functions, only methods.
16:19.49AL13Nyeah well, terminology, it's essentially the same thing
16:20.39StevenRfor all the programming I've ever done, OOP would just overcomplicate everything
16:21.01StevenRi understnad why oop is useful, and why people like it, but my brain doesn't think about things that way
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16:22.36AL13NStevenR: it's only usefull for readability and if you have to have inheriting
16:23.05AL13Nthe rest is more efficiently solved by normal non_OOP programming
16:23.10AL13Nnot easy though
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16:35.30DexterFhi. where can I disable this accessibility stuff? the kind that appears when holding shift for 8 seconds and so
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16:37.49VensonDexterF: look in Control Center -> Regional & Accessibility
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16:45.58DexterFVenson: only see what type of signal i can change, but not where to disable it altogether
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16:46.07toecutter<Zend> anybody?
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16:48.02lightl00tskype>options.... maybe?
16:48.17lightl00takregator is a sonuva, unistall it
16:50.06toecutterwhat is a better rss feeder then
16:50.18lightl00tfirefox?
16:50.31toecutteri have firefox
16:50.48lightl00t<PROTECTED>
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16:51.56toecutterdont have the button
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16:52.25swasthi guys
16:52.31swasti have a question
16:52.33lightl00twhat???
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16:52.42swastdoes konquerror can do such thing :
16:52.46lightl00ttry a news site and the button will appear
16:52.59swastopen file and print it to postscript; but do it in commandline mode
16:53.14lightl00ttoecutter try... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/default.stm (it's the bbc)
16:53.33lightl00tthere should be a button yellow-orange on the bottom right
16:53.43swasti need some tool, to convert html to ps, but htmldoc sucks
16:53.57lightl00tclick for rss feeds
16:54.10lightl00tit will add a 'live bookmark'
16:55.51toecutteri am still using firefox 1.0.2
16:56.19lightl00tupgrade immediately to 1.0.4 (there is an important security patch)
16:56.44lightl00tbesides firefox 1.0+ has rss feeds
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16:58.32Vensontoecutter: sage.mozdev.org
17:02.53lippel_toecutter: akregator autostarts??
17:03.21toecuttersometimes, it is skype that always autostarts
17:03.35lippel_weird, without using session management?
17:03.55toecutteri have only looked in .kde/autostart
17:04.26toecutterwhere are the settings for session management or whatever that is
17:04.30lippel_well, if you use session management, akregator is restarted when it was running before last exit
17:04.41lippel_like other apps, too
17:04.53toecutterwell i think that is it
17:05.24lippel_same with skype. maybe you don't exit them but minimize them to systray?
17:05.36lippel_so they stay there and get restored on restart
17:05.40toecutteri think skype even though you close it runs in the background
17:05.56lippel_if there is a systray icon, yes
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17:06.03lippel_in akregator, you can turn that off though
17:06.09lippel_if you don't want the tray icon
17:06.25toecutterskype is a java program.  btw it is very nice overall.
17:06.43lippel_skype is c++ afaik :)
17:07.11lippel_using Qt, like KDE
17:07.20toecutteryes, kde
17:07.30toecutteroh, mnm skype is
17:09.25lippel_toecutter: session management can be turned off in kcontrol->kde components->session manager
17:09.37lippel_if you don't want that
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17:12.55toecutterthanks, i have been searching through .kde/share/config/ksmserverrc and it is loaded with skype and akregator
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17:17.25GoGiIs there a general way to input arbitrary unicode-characters into kde applications?
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17:18.04tech9inerThingzThatMakeYouWannaSay.... Hmmmmm!?!..... ;]
17:18.07tech9inerso mates..
17:18.13tech9inernot a kde desktop user perse
17:18.15tech9inerbut
17:18.23tech9inercant abide gnome's nautilus
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17:18.45tech9inerand thus do load kde libs enough to take advantage of konqueror ' MC view ;]
17:18.50tech9inernow..
17:18.53grepperGoGi: other than kcharselect ?
17:18.56tech9inerloaded konq as su -
17:19.09tech9inerwanted to group change perms on folders..
17:19.16tech9inerfolder properties..
17:19.20tech9inerchoose permissions tab
17:19.21GoGigrepper: yes preferably
17:19.45grepperGoGi: kcharselect is pretty arbitrary :P
17:19.51GoGiI'd like to chosse the character by number and not have to scroll through
17:20.12GoGiA wait I can put in the number in kcharselect
17:20.21GoGiok thanks a lot :) it works
17:20.22tech9inerchoose 'apply changes to all subfolders and their contents' .. then choose owner / group preferred..
17:20.28tech9ineropen said folder..
17:20.41tech9inerand subfolders still?? claiming root perms?
17:21.02tech9ineranyone have a clue wtf konq is ignoring this option / checkbox call Please ?
17:21.04tech9inerthanx
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17:26.36tech9inerany input / feedback muchly appreciated mates.. ;]
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17:34.18tech9inerno clues me konquerorMates?..
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17:36.39tech9ineralas.. dead irc community..
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17:48.13tech9inerpoke.. ;]
17:48.20tech9ineranyone awake in here ;]
17:48.34tech9inerany konqueror users present please ;]
17:50.02tech9inerThingzThatMakeYouWannaSay.... Hmmmmm!?!..... ;]
17:50.11tech9inertuff crowd.. lol
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17:52.28tech9ineraaaallllrighty then..
17:52.50raphaeltech9ner, I'm here :)
17:52.53raphaeljust came in
17:53.00raphaeltech9iner, what do you want me to do?
17:53.08raphael(still have to read up all the messages)
17:53.36raphaelI'm using Konqueror...
17:53.38tech9ineropened konqueror as su - raphael and thanx 4 your time guv
17:53.44tech9iner;]
17:54.00tech9inerproperties on folder in konq MC view
17:54.07tech9inerchose perms tab
17:54.21tech9inerchose new group / owner
17:54.43tech9inerchecked 'apply to all subfolders / contents' box
17:54.51tech9inerand wuallah!..
17:55.04tech9inerSubFolders all still root owned ????
17:55.17tech9inerany clues wtf this checkbox ignores my request Please raphael ?
17:55.22raphaelwhere is the "perms tab" in MC view?
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17:55.30tech9inerargh.. rofl
17:56.00tech9inerits not in the konq view mate.. its available in the file/folder properties dialog ;]
17:56.02raphael? I don't see a perms tab in the ui
17:56.13raphaelah, that you mean... hehe
17:57.10tech9inerjust dont get here raphael why checkbox is available but effects NOTHING!? ;]
17:59.07tech9inerand aparantly never will this juncture.. heh.. ive been asking this same question now for over a yr now rofl
17:59.24tech9inerk.. bit redundant on 'now'z lol
17:59.36raphaeltech9iner, I can't confirm the problem
17:59.39raphaelfor me it works
17:59.47raphaelthat's with konqueror 3.4.0
17:59.50tech9inerseriously raphael ?..
18:00.01raphaelI'll test once again...
18:00.06tech9ineryouve just changed perms on all subfolders/files and it works?
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18:00.48tech9inerThingzThatMakeYouWannaSay.... Hmmmmm!?!..... ;]
18:00.59raphaeltech9iner, yes, serious
18:01.22raphaelYes, I changed perms of a folder that contains another folder and a file
18:01.30tech9inerok.. wtf'z up widdat!?.. so riddle me this.. htf does konq know its me ? rofl
18:01.34raphaelboth the folder and the file changed permissions (owner/group) correctly
18:01.41raphaelThat's on FreeBSD
18:01.50raphaelmaybe different behaviour on Linux?
18:01.51tech9inerg r e a t !!
18:02.21tech9inerohwell.. tanx muchly for your time an input sir raphael ;];]..
18:02.55raphaelyour welcome
18:03.44raphaelDid anyone already fix www.kde.de ??? the server is still timing out
18:04.00raphaelIt doesn't make good PR really if that server is down for too long
18:04.07tech9inerno worries an Ciao 4 now ;] raphael .. ;]
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18:04.53pembo13I am attempting to install a kde theme, it appears to get to the correct dir, but does not appear in the theme manager, any ideas? I am running FC4 fully up-to-date
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18:16.35pembo13anybody?
18:18.07_poisonhi =)
18:18.16stianhullo
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18:19.25pembo13I am attempting to install a kde theme, it appears to get to the correct dir, but does not appear in the theme manager, any ideas?
18:21.57pembo13I am attempting to install a kde theme, it appears to get to the correct dir, but does not appear in the theme manager, any ideas?
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18:41.17rindolfHi all!
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18:41.30rindolfWhere does KDE looks for its main menu items in Mandrake?
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18:41.45rindolfThe K-menu?
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18:58.36Vensonrindolf: .config/menus/ look there
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19:05.46zviratkohi ppls
19:06.02zviratkodoes someone here have a smartcard working with kmail?
19:06.09zviratko(opensc one, not openpgp one)
19:10.39moxilogood night all X_)
19:16.14anisXah i forgot the command how to play dvd on xine
19:16.18anisXxine dvd:// ?
19:16.34rindolfVenson: I see an XML file called applications-mdk.menu
19:16.52Vensonrindolf: that's your menu stuff...cat it and see for yourself :)
19:17.17VensonanisX: yeah..that should work...though i did xine dvd://1 last time iirc
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19:19.49anisXVenson: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/zw28tM41.html
19:20.00anisXi dont have any problem to play dvd before this
19:20.04anisXor i just forgot the command
19:20.07anisXthats all
19:20.36Vensonooh...LVM :( ...i know nothing about it
19:21.00Vensonwait..have you mounted the disc, anisX ?
19:21.04Vensontry unmounting it and playing
19:22.30anisXVenson: no..i dont mounting the device , and before this..i dont need to mount it for playing over xine
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19:23.03Vensonright...you never have to really mount it
19:23.10anisX:/
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19:32.23depihello I saw some screenshots that in KDE panel are small icons, that there are more place for open windows, etc. how to change the icons to smaller?
19:36.15teatimedepi: that's probably the quicklauncher applet
19:36.52teatimeyou don't change anything in kicker, you add a kicker applet that houses the launcher shortcuts
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19:41.01depiteatime: thanks very much
19:41.46teatimenps
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20:12.27VxJasonxVJuK is part of the KDE Multimedia package, yes?
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20:15.46VensonVxJasonxV: yes
20:16.03VxJasonxVthank you Venson
20:16.05VxJasonxV...
20:16.15VxJasonxVtwo minutes with it and I already screw up the toolbar >_<
20:16.57Vensonlol
20:17.06Vensoni'm sure there's better records
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20:17.15VxJasonxVprobably
20:17.20VxJasonxVbut I can't restore it :(
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20:17.45VxJasonxVthe volume bar is HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMONGOUS, and the song length bar thing is small and vertical
20:17.47VxJasonxVand I can't fix it :(
20:18.41Vensonlook for jukrc or the like...and move it elsewhere
20:18.46Vensonclose juk first
20:21.41VxJasonxVhrm
20:21.50VxJasonxVI wonder if I can just manipulate it instead
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20:26.33VxJasonxVhrm
20:26.41VxJasonxVI can't find a .jukrc in my ~ or in ~/.kde
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20:30.49VxJasonxV~/.kde/share/apps/juk
20:30.51VxJasonxVthere it is
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20:35.38AL13Nany KDE-dev here? i have a problem with kcmlirc, when i press the add action button, it hangs (no redraw). it looks like something in http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.3.2/kdeutils/kdelirc/kcmlirc/kcmlirc.cpp?rev=411963&view=markup slotAddAction function, but i can't find it...
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20:55.25Genahi everybody
20:55.39Genai have a little problem here...
20:56.39Genai started kde when i had no free space on my /, and now after i restarted it after cleaning up, a lot of my programs cant find their configuraitons
20:57.06VensonGena: how exactly did you "clean up"?
20:57.29Genaremoved temp files
20:57.39Genathe configuraiton files are all fine
20:58.46Vensonso you are starting kde from the cmdline?
20:59.07Genayes
21:01.13VensonGena: do this "startx > startx.log 2>&1"
21:01.46Vensonthat will create a file startx.log ...you should take a look at that...you could also try and create a new user ("adduser" or "useradd" and login as them)...see if it works for them
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21:02.34phluxAnyone know how to change the icon sizes on the desktop?
21:02.47Genathe problem is that kde works great
21:03.12Genait's just that some programs cant "find" their config files
21:03.18Genaalthough they are there
21:03.28phluxanyone..? heh
21:03.32Vensonphlux: yes...it's a setting in the Control Center...one sec
21:03.41AL13NGena: maybe they've changed places
21:04.04phluxVenson: I found it
21:04.08phluxI forgot about Control Center :P
21:04.10Venson:)
21:04.16Vensonlol...can't forget CC!!
21:04.38GenaAL13N: that's what i think, but i cant find the thing that made them change
21:05.05AL13Nhowabout just KCC
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21:07.59VensonAL13N: it's punishment...besides, one could forget what KCC is
21:08.36AL13NVenson: nah, i got MCC and KCC
21:08.56AL13Nthe first is system based, the second is userbased
21:09.03AL13Neasy to distinguish and remember
21:09.12Genajust do 'print 'KDE Control Center\n'*100' and get over with it :)
21:09.48AL13Nfor ... ; do echo 'KDE Control Center' ; done
21:10.13Vensonyou're both evil!! *waves fist*
21:10.26Gena:)
21:10.36AL13Nor how about while true; do echo 'KDE Control Center'; done
21:10.39Venson:)
21:10.46AL13Nyou know like kissing ass of teatcher
21:10.49AL13Nẗeacher
21:11.04Vensonlet me assist: teacher
21:11.09AL13Nleacher
21:11.11AL13Neh
21:11.16AL13Nteacher ;-)
21:12.09Genaerrr... i hate that stuff
21:12.24Genait fsck up a lot of my configuration files
21:13.04VensonGena: maybe some AL13N moved it when you weren't looking...;)
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21:13.13Genamaybe
21:13.17Vensonhehe
21:13.21realhello, in koqnueror, in actions i used to have Ark stuff, to zip files etc, and now its gone all of a sudden, what can i do
21:13.36Vensonreal: wat distro?
21:13.39Venson*what
21:13.47realgentoo
21:13.54Vensonreal: install kdeaddons?
21:13.54AL13Nreal and Gena: any change you guys upgraded?
21:14.11realif i did i dont remember at all
21:14.18GenaAL13N: nope
21:14.23AL13Nboth gentoo?
21:14.27Genayep
21:14.47AL13Nlet's say that emerge etc-update is a problem?
21:14.50Vensonreal: well...you'll need that. that's where ark usually is
21:14.53AL13Nor how is it called?
21:14.59reali have ark installed though
21:16.36AL13Ndoesn't gentoo have an autoupdate every x days?
21:17.03Genayou can cron it
21:17.10AL13Nof course you can
21:17.23AL13Nyou can cron just about anything
21:17.24Genai dont think it has it by default
21:17.28AL13Nk
21:17.30AL13Nwell
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21:17.43AL13Nsomething or other probably went wrong in the emerge
21:17.58AL13Nbetter go check #gentoo-somthingorother
21:18.11realfor actions, i still have some stuff
21:18.20Genain my case i'm pretty much sure it's the problem with the space in my case
21:18.21realrename with krename and create data cd with k3b :|
21:18.25realmaybe ill reemerge ark
21:18.32Genai had the same problem before...
21:18.37AL13Nconfig files are usually in /usr/share/kde/config/* or ~/.kde/*
21:19.08AL13Nmaybe it's both
21:19.19AL13Nreal: checked filespace left?
21:19.27reali have lots
21:19.31real80 gigs almost
21:19.31AL13Nmaybe gentoo changed the default location in it's emerge thing
21:19.40AL13Nreal: on that partition?
21:19.45realyea
21:20.15AL13Nhere's something
21:20.20AL13Nexecute ark
21:20.24AL13Nclose it
21:20.30AL13Nfind the last modified file
21:20.35AL13Nthere's your config files
21:21.01realill reinstall it first maybe that will do it the easy way
21:21.16Genaahh...
21:21.29Genai'm sick and tired of this buggy sim
21:21.50Genaand the problem is that there's nothing better
21:22.05AL13NGena battle of wesnoth
21:22.20Gena?
21:22.32AL13Ntry an d find that
21:23.23Genai was talking about sim as an icq client
21:23.34AL13Ngaim is better icq client
21:23.47Genagaim is gnome... yuck
21:23.52AL13Nlicq was the best before something else came
21:24.02Genadont like licq
21:24.03AL13NGena: you don't have to have gnome to have gaim
21:24.08Genai know
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21:24.14Genabut it's gtk and stuff
21:24.15AL13Nkopete is rumoured to have been improved
21:24.19AL13Nit's gtk, yes
21:24.22AL13Ngtk is not bad
21:24.37Genawell... anyway, i tried gaim and i didnt like it
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21:25.03eeangaim is good if you're already used to it
21:25.09AL13Nyeah
21:25.12eeanotherwise its pretty poor
21:25.19MrGrimtranslation: I don't feel like getting into an argument about gtk so I'll say I've already tried it and I thought it sucked
21:25.31AL13Nhehe
21:25.42AL13NGena: well, then there's kopete
21:25.51AL13Nand a few others too
21:25.59MrGrimgaim is the only IM client I've ever really used... I tried kopete a few times
21:26.21AL13Nkopete crashed too much
21:26.25MrGrimI've never used the actual IM clients provided by the im networks
21:26.32Genai tried all the big clients, and the only one i didnt hate is sim
21:26.40AL13NMrGrim: i used ICQ before
21:26.40Genaand it's full of bugs
21:26.53AL13NGena: you're a hatefull person
21:27.00MrGrimya I did once too back when it was brand new
21:27.03MrGrimit was bloatware then
21:27.03Genayeah
21:27.10MrGrimgod knows what it's like now
21:27.31AL13Ni'd rather have it working stable, then that it looks good
21:27.36MrGrimgaim is nice tho, simple, slim, easy, and stable
21:27.37AL13NMrGrim: it's bloatware
21:27.40MrGrimdoesn't get much better
21:27.57MrGrimkopete dev is happenign fast tho... maybe if they completely change the UI kopete can compete :D
21:27.58AL13NMrGrim: yeah it does get better
21:28.22AL13Nmy buddy told me kopete is now competable with gaim
21:28.33AL13Ni donno
21:28.38MrGrimmaybe in cvs
21:28.43MrGrimI haven't tried it in cvs tho
21:28.52AL13Nbut i need gaim to be more separate
21:28.56MrGrimimho the UI stinks on 3.4.1
21:28.58eean"compatible with gaim" ?
21:29.12AL13Neean: no, competable
21:29.17eeanoh
21:29.17Genawait... i'm the only one here that uses sim?
21:29.19MrGrimi.e. "able to compete"
21:29.24eeanpretty sure competable isn't a word ;)
21:29.43AL13NGena: probably
21:29.48eeancompetitive
21:29.48MrGrim[16:28] <MrGrim> @dict competable
21:29.48MrGrim[16:28] <ZBot> MrGrim: No definition for "competable" could be found.
21:29.49MrGrim:)
21:29.53Genayay... i'm special :)
21:30.15AL13Ni'd like gaim to be less ui
21:30.21MrGrimthe screenshots of sim are taken w/ keramik.. which is already ugly... but then they got an even uglier color scheme than default
21:30.22AL13Na nice splitup is required
21:30.28MrGrimdoesn't make it look very good :P
21:30.46MrGrimAL13N: what do you mean less ui?
21:31.00AL13Ni want it to have a cursed frontend too
21:31.12MrGrimconsole frontend?
21:31.17AL13Nyeah
21:31.18eeanbuahahahah cursed frontend
21:31.26MrGrimlol
21:31.26eeanit will be the /last/ frontend you ever use
21:31.29AL13Neean: you never heard of ncurses?
21:31.39MrGrimcurses
21:31.43MrGrimyou said cursed :P
21:31.48eeanhehe, exactly
21:31.49AL13Nof course
21:31.59AL13Nas an adjective
21:32.07eeanncurses != cursed
21:32.15AL13Ni alway say that
21:32.16MrGrimcurses can be an adj
21:32.28AL13Nnot in my language
21:32.39eeanthe language of AL13N
21:32.41MrGrimit's not dependant on language
21:32.42AL13Na cursed appl is an appl that uses curses
21:32.59eeanno, a cursed application is one that requires a high-level cleric to remove
21:33.00MrGrimsince curses is curses in any language
21:33.04AL13Nthe appl is cursed, it's made to work with curses
21:33.07MrGrima curses application is a curses application
21:33.10MrGrimin any language
21:33.24AL13Nnah
21:33.27MrGrimya
21:33.43jqlthe 'ed' form would be cursesed
21:33.45AL13Ni want a competable cursed frontend for gaim
21:33.51MrGrimI mean you can say nah all day and use your own word... but to effectively communicate w/ the rest of the world you have to go by the same standard
21:33.53MrGrimnot your standard
21:33.55AL13Njql: that's too long
21:33.59jqlwell, duh
21:34.07jqlwhich is why we just say curses
21:34.15AL13NMrGrim: people know what i'm telling them, it's good enough for me
21:34.22MrGrimdamn... you used competable and cursed one right after the other
21:34.31AL13Nlol, nice huh
21:34.49MrGrimAL13N: not good enough for everyone else, what you say is ambiguous at best
21:34.59eeanAL13N: ha, well I was seriously confused by competable. I knew what you meant by cursed though :)
21:35.02AL13Nsure, i love double meanings
21:35.14AL13Nlol eean
21:35.24jqlthen you'd love Perl
21:35.29AL13Nof course
21:35.37AL13Neverything in one line
21:35.49AL13Nas short as possible
21:36.01AL13Ni'm kidding
21:36.08AL13Ni program more in C
21:36.31AL13NMrGrim: btw english is not my native tongue
21:37.00AL13Njql: these days i actually include comments in my code ;-)
21:37.12jqlfor shame
21:37.14AL13Njql: took me a while to get used to it
21:37.30jqlI only include comments in other people's code
21:37.36AL13Njql lol
21:37.43jqlI already know why my code works how it does
21:37.44AL13Nanyway
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21:38.02AL13Nanyone uses kdelirc ?
21:38.14AL13Nirkick and kcmlirc ?
21:38.36AL13Ni want to know if anyone can press the addaction button on it
21:38.48AL13Non my system it hangs
21:39.35daxianghi folks. anyone running kdevelop3.2 and Debian 3.1 (aka Sarge)? I'm having a problem with kdevelop and kdbg, which nobody at #debian or #debian-kde had a clue of.
21:43.01MrGrimjql: go back to your code after 5 years of neglecting it... se how clear it can be :)
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21:58.31jqlheh
21:58.44jqlI do that all the time. I've neglected all my code for 3 years
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22:49.24johnny69Good evening room,  I'm looking for a brief description of the ssh_daemon that I see running in the processes.  (Google returned next to nothing)  Thanks.  (fedora core 3/kde 3.4.1)
22:50.07thiagojohnny69: it's not a KDE program
22:50.20johnny69oh
22:51.18johnny69thiago:   I tried the fedora channel and got no answer at all.  I didn't know where else to go.  Sorry.
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22:54.54Vensonthis must be the katch-all channel for kweschuns
22:55.10grepperits a daemon that keeps the box quiet
22:55.17grepperor it may be a ssh server :P
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23:32.54Alethesorange
23:33.03AL13Nwho orange
23:33.13Alethesorange you gonna open the door?
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23:34.55Aletheshah
23:35.20Aletheswe were driving through town today and there was a duck that was walking around the middle of the road
23:35.37Alethespeople kept trying to shoo it away, but it was pretty stubborn
23:35.37greppernice
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23:40.05tamin kontact how could i tell it to use konqueror as its default mail application instead of thunderbird?
23:41.02jqlCoontrol Center -> Components -> applications or something
23:41.24jqlfrom the KDE menu. not sure if kontact is keeping its own browser
23:41.37tamthanks jql i'll take a look now
23:42.16jqlComponent chooser, not applications. kinda close
23:43.40tamhehe, and it works again!
23:44.02tamkontact is the best organizer ive ever used
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23:52.00tamone more question...is there a way to backup the whole of kontact in one save instead of several?
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23:56.33User_Xcan anyone tell me what this means in other words "Relay mail server"
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23:57.28thiagoit is a mail server that relays. In other words, it receives your email and sends it to another server.
23:57.35thiagoit's not the source nor the destination
23:57.59User_Xso translating to portuguese would be?
23:58.33thiago"repasse"
23:58.41User_Xrepassar?
23:58.55User_XRepassar servidor de correio?
23:58.57thiagoto relay = repassar
23:59.07User_Xeskistito isso
23:59.08thiagorelay mail server = servidor de repasse de correio
23:59.15thiagoyou choose whatever fits best
23:59.20thiagoI've never seen the name translated.
23:59.24thiagoyou can coin the term.
23:59.33User_Xretransmissão acho q é o mais corecto
23:59.43User_Xcoin?
23:59.52thiagoto coin = to forge = to use for the first time

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