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| 00:08.34 | _nil | anyone know of a way to 'reset' all the konqueror "file associations"? |
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| 00:30.44 | xerxes1358 | I have a question: Is a computer modern font a Serif type of font ? |
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| 00:31.41 | Melbell | Where do I find the options to change how the fonts on Icons look? |
| 00:34.49 | Melbell | nvm i found it |
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| 00:36.08 | ritalin | hello |
| 00:36.17 | ritalin | anything like itunes for kde/unix? |
| 00:36.30 | ritalin | not the store, just the music player |
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| 00:37.24 | Melbell | ritalin: you just need something to play music? |
| 00:37.41 | ritalin | Melbell: yeah but i cant get noatun to play a directory |
| 00:37.50 | ritalin | it makes me select each song |
| 00:37.52 | ritalin | which is lame |
| 00:37.56 | liucougar | ritalin: amarok? |
| 00:39.53 | ritalin | liucougar: ty looks cool |
| 00:40.07 | MrGrim | anyone know what this is from?: "There's a hole in the world. Feels like we ought to have known." |
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| 00:42.19 | Melbell | why is noatun masked in gentoo? is it unstable? |
| 00:42.46 | sgomes | ? noatun is part of the standard install |
| 00:42.57 | sgomes | i use the monolithic packages and have noatun |
| 00:43.11 | MrGrim | noatun isn't in my mask file |
| 00:43.17 | MrGrim | which profile you using? |
| 00:44.01 | MrGrim | 3.4.1 is still unstable |
| 00:44.09 | Melbell | i dont know...i just did emerge search noatun and it's masked |
| 00:44.09 | MrGrim | as is 3.4.0 |
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| 00:44.33 | MrGrim | Melbell: find out why then |
| 00:44.35 | sgomes | hmm |
| 00:44.51 | Melbell | MrGrim: that's what I thought I was trying to do by asking in here...apparently i was wrong? |
| 00:44.52 | sgomes | you prabably have a 2004 profile then |
| 00:45.08 | CyL | Hello, I'm trying to get jre working with konqueror... I've installed it on some directory, and linked it to /usr/lib/mozilla, so it could also work with mozilla, and I've put that directory in the plugin's search list of konqueror. The plugin is installed on mozilla, but I get nothing in konqueror... What could be happening? |
| 00:45.29 | Melbell | sgomes: how do I tell what profile I'm using? |
| 00:45.32 | MrGrim | Melbell: just figured a requisite of using gentoo, and therefore portage, would be knowing how to use it... there are well documented ways to find how and why a package is masked |
| 00:45.55 | Melbell | MrGrim: if you can't help then why lurk in here just to piss people off? |
| 00:46.45 | liucougar | I think portage will complain if you still use a profile before 2005.0 |
| 00:46.47 | MrGrim | want help? here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml?catid=gentoo |
| 00:47.30 | Melbell | MrGrim: perhaps if you choose not to answer a seemingly stupid question, you should just shut up when one is asked? |
| 00:47.49 | sgomes | sigh |
| 00:48.03 | Melbell | liucougar: i think I do remember doing something with it, because it was fussing...I would have done whatever it told me to do, although at the moment I don't remember what that was |
| 00:48.17 | liucougar | Melbell: you are not so polite |
| 00:48.22 | MrGrim | Melbell: you alway sget this pissed off when people show you where you can find information on a problem you are having? |
| 00:48.22 | liucougar | Melbell: what's your issue? |
| 00:48.38 | Melbell | MrGrim: only when they are asses about it |
| 00:48.40 | Melbell | whatever |
| 00:48.43 | Melbell | I will figure it out |
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| 00:49.26 | CyL | Hello, I'm trying to get jre working with konqueror... I've installed it on some directory, and linked it to /usr/lib/mozilla, so it could also work with mozilla, and I've put that directory in the plugin's search list of konqueror. The plugin is installed on mozilla, but I get nothing in konqueror... What could be happening? |
| 00:50.16 | Pupeno-- | Cool, sharing the desktop with KDE is dead easy, not having done it before, I've done it in 3 or 2 minutes. |
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| 00:55.55 | dm | I once had installed a kicker applet that allowed to me to monitor both load average, net usage, and system usage but i can not remember what is was. Does anybody know what I am talking about? |
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| 00:57.38 | MrGrim | dm: system monitor? |
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| 01:02.04 | dm | MrGrim: yes, see that is what i though, and i install the package in gentoo that should contain that but i still can not get anything |
| 01:02.33 | dm | MrGrim: sorry new to irc |
| 01:02.41 | dm | MrGrim: the package name was ksim |
| 01:02.56 | MrGrim | did you restart kicker? |
| 01:03.34 | MrGrim | in a command line type: dcop kicker kicker restart |
| 01:03.39 | MrGrim | if you haven't |
| 01:04.24 | dm | MrGrim: just did that, still nothing |
| 01:05.01 | dm | MrGrim: the only sytem monitor application i get is this bar thing which only does memory |
| 01:05.27 | dm | MrGrim: there is nothing in the utilities menu either |
| 01:07.32 | narg | What tool might I use to keep my flash drive and a directory on a local disk synced, rsync? |
| 01:07.46 | narg | peer |
| 01:07.50 | narg | wrong channel :p |
| 01:07.59 | narg | Unless theres a kde program for it. |
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| 01:25.04 | Wheet | does anyone know how to restore the 'maximize, minimize, & close buttons' in the kde desktop windows |
| 01:25.10 | WillieDaPimp | anybody know if Crossover will let me install windows games on it? |
| 01:25.12 | Wheet | i installed a theme and lost them |
| 01:25.17 | Wheet | i tried restarting X, but that didn't cure it either |
| 01:26.33 | dm | Wheet: you can change window themes in kcontrol under appearance, window decorations. |
| 01:26.40 | Wheet | thank you |
| 01:26.46 | dm | within that there is a buttons tab you can also play with |
| 01:27.00 | dm | although not all themes will do all buttons |
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| 01:28.54 | Wheet | dm: *phew* |
| 01:28.59 | Wheet | =) |
| 01:30.52 | Wheet | dm: do you know of a *great* color scheme that is dark in color? |
| 01:31.05 | Wheet | ive been searching high & low, and found nothing appealing |
| 01:31.38 | dm | Wheet: dorry i do not. I have been looking for one in gnome and kde but have never found one that does everything perfectly |
| 01:31.55 | dm | the nice thing about kde though is you can edit your own color themes via gui unlike gnome |
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| 01:32.22 | Wheet | i want a dark theme, but id like to be able to see my cursor in xchat :( |
| 01:33.29 | dm | i have never understood why neither of the x desktops have done a themeing system like terminals where you can change the configuration but the relative color difference stay intact |
| 01:33.46 | dm | 16 or 20 colors that play off each other |
| 01:34.20 | Wheet | hmm |
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| 01:45.52 | Calzetin | where i can get qt devel ? |
| 01:48.10 | annma | depends of your distro |
| 01:48.15 | annma | what is your distro? |
| 01:49.09 | annma | Calzetin: what is your distro please/ |
| 01:49.39 | Calzetin | slackware |
| 01:49.51 | Calzetin | why everybody ask me what distro i use i just need solutions :S |
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| 01:51.05 | annma | well doesn't slackware compile tarballs? |
| 01:51.16 | Calzetin | mmm yes |
| 01:51.18 | annma | if so you have qt with all headers |
| 01:51.36 | annma | I compile qt from source hence I have qt and qt-devel |
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| 01:51.42 | annma | same for you |
| 01:52.01 | annma | why do you want qt-devel? |
| 01:52.58 | Alethes | he could be using a slackpack that doesn't have the headers |
| 01:53.30 | Calzetin | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 01:53.31 | Calzetin | For more details about this problem, look at the end of con |
| 01:53.37 | annma | Alethes: well I don't know slackware at all |
| 01:53.43 | Alethes | no biggie |
| 01:53.58 | annma | Calzetin: is your QTDIR set? |
| 01:54.02 | Alethes | there are packages for slack, and for something as big as QT, it's usually easier to get the package |
| 01:54.21 | annma | Calzetin: do you know what you have then? |
| 01:54.41 | Alethes | it's so much like slack, but all the installs work :D |
| 01:55.58 | Calzetin | yep i read the install andi do exactly what it says |
| 01:57.15 | annma | echo $QTDIR <- please type that in a konsole |
| 01:57.23 | annma | paste the output please |
| 01:57.41 | Calzetin | ok 1 seg |
| 01:59.04 | Calzetin | bash-3.00# echo $QTDIR |
| 01:59.07 | Calzetin | notting ... |
| 02:00.07 | annma | locate qstring.h |
| 02:00.11 | annma | do that please |
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| 02:00.47 | Calzetin | bash-3.00# locate qstring.h |
| 02:00.48 | Calzetin | warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory |
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| 02:09.22 | sbcl3 | does kde have any good chess apps? |
| 02:11.14 | axiom | http://knights.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:11.26 | axiom | Google my friend... |
| 02:14.20 | sbcl3 | is it programmed in Qt? |
| 02:14.34 | sbcl3 | sorry |
| 02:14.35 | sbcl3 | yes; it is |
| 02:14.37 | sbcl3 | sorry |
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| 02:16.40 | Quinn_Storm | kdesvn-build seems to be messing up on playground/artwork and playground/multimedia...it seems when it creates the build system for them it doesn't link some/any of the files into the build directory...is there a way maybe to work around this? |
| 02:16.53 | Quinn_Storm | that is link as in symlink |
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| 02:44.58 | Wheet | is there any way to restore kde default settings? |
| 02:45.13 | Wheet | i open up a folder, and i cant see the filenames until i CLICK on that folder |
| 02:45.33 | Wheet | like say "blah.txt" is within the folder "blah" |
| 02:45.37 | Wheet | i open up "blah" |
| 02:45.42 | Wheet | and i see a txt document |
| 02:45.46 | Wheet | but i cant see the name of it |
| 02:45.50 | Wheet | white on white or something |
| 02:45.57 | Wheet | no idea how to change that :( |
| 02:47.38 | Venson | Wheet: mv ~/.kde kde-old |
| 02:47.43 | Venson | Wheet: then log off and back on |
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| 02:47.59 | Venson | Wheet: you could also restore just konqfm's settings to default |
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| 02:48.14 | magyar | ahoy |
| 02:48.48 | Wheet | hmm |
| 02:48.53 | Wheet | rebooting |
| 02:49.00 | magyar | i got java jre installed which works woth mozilla. How can i make it work with konqueror? |
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| 02:49.28 | canllaith | I believe it's in the faq, that is in the channel topic as you enter |
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| 02:51.02 | canllaith | http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/webbrowser.html#id2570763 |
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| 02:57.25 | magyar | canllaith: doesn't work, i set the path to "Sun Java" /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java, but nogo |
| 02:58.24 | magyar | canllaith: i also got the plugins pointing to the javapluggin.so file |
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| 03:16.12 | Venson | sweet....kdejava and eclipse love each other now |
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| 03:21.53 | lxuser | hello |
| 03:23.33 | lxuser | hello |
| 03:23.37 | N17R0 | hi |
| 03:23.52 | lxuser | who are you ? |
| 03:23.59 | N17R0 | good |
| 03:24.03 | N17R0 | and u ? |
| 03:24.42 | lxuser | im better |
| 03:25.09 | lxuser | how old are you ? |
| 03:25.14 | N17R0 | im more 1337 then u :/ |
| 03:26.04 | lxuser | guess what i hate 1337s |
| 03:26.12 | N17R0 | rofl |
| 03:26.47 | lxuser | who are you ? |
| 03:27.03 | N17R0 | im the santa |
| 03:27.09 | N17R0 | and who is u ? |
| 03:27.12 | lxuser | kiss my ass then |
| 03:27.27 | lxuser | filthy pig |
| 03:27.59 | lxuser | did i tell you i hate 1337s ? |
| 03:28.07 | N17R0 | now thats not nice |
| 03:28.18 | lxuser | you r not nice |
| 03:28.25 | lxuser | your a FILTHY PIG |
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| 03:28.38 | lxuser | i bet your proud of your 1337 job |
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| 03:29.18 | lxuser | i bet it pays well |
| 03:29.33 | lxuser | are you a bounty unter too ? |
| 03:29.53 | N17R0 | yes how did u know ? |
| 03:30.42 | N17R0 | why is ur port 113/tcp open ? |
| 03:30.50 | lxuser | tell you what a dont like talking to stranger |
| 03:30.52 | lxuser | tell you what a dont like talking to strangers |
| 03:30.59 | lxuser | .!. |
| 03:31.08 | lxuser | sit down |
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| 03:31.44 | lxuser | paranoia |
| 03:31.47 | canllaith | um what is going on here? |
| 03:31.51 | lxuser | paranoia |
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| 03:32.00 | N17R0 | close it before a REAL evil person gets into it :P |
| 03:32.07 | *** mode/#kde [+o canllaith] by ChanServ |
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| 03:32.18 | canllaith | I suggest lxuser that you might want to go and troll in another channel :) |
| 03:32.20 | N17R0 | damn how long does it take to compile silly wine prog |
| 03:32.50 | lxuser | :-) |
| 03:33.55 | Venson | canllaith: you can make changes to the docs, right? there's a small problem i want fixed in one of the README's for kdebindings (kdejava) |
| 03:34.50 | lxuser | you dont need wine kde runs in winows |
| 03:35.00 | N17R0 | lol |
| 03:35.12 | Venson | canllaith: http://developer.kde.org/language-bindings/java/kdejava-readme.html ... in instruction 2, it says "java Main".....should be "java -Djava.library.path=$(kde_libraries)/java Main" |
| 03:35.39 | Venson | without which there'll be errors...i just spent a whole hour trying to figure that out. Same fix is mentioned in the mailing list |
| 03:35.42 | canllaith | Venson: can you file a bug on bugs.kde.org ? That doesn't come under something I really would just go and change myself |
| 03:35.51 | Venson | canllaith: sure thing |
| 03:36.11 | lxuser | to think this channel was so quite before i enter it |
| 03:36.17 | canllaith | It would be great if you could put that fix in the bug report |
| 03:36.26 | canllaith | and then I'll ask someone if it's ok for me to change it |
| 03:37.41 | Venson | right...doing that now. looks like the stuff on the kde website is obsolete..the readme is for KDE 3.3 |
| 03:37.50 | canllaith | :) |
| 03:43.53 | lxuser | how do i make a program start in full window mode ? |
| 03:44.37 | canllaith | kstart |
| 03:44.53 | canllaith | eg, |
| 03:44.56 | lxuser | what is that ? |
| 03:44.56 | canllaith | kstart --fullscreen kwrite |
| 03:45.15 | lxuser | but i wanna cick on it |
| 03:45.25 | lxuser | click |
| 03:45.36 | lxuser | on the menu |
| 03:45.45 | illarion | lol thanks canllaith, just reminded me to use konstruct instead |
| 03:45.46 | canllaith | Create a new menu entry and enter that in as the command |
| 03:47.03 | lxuser | kstart --fullscreen kate |
| 03:47.03 | lxuser | kstart: WARNING: Omitting both --window and --windowclass arguments is not recommended |
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| 03:47.22 | lxuser | were did the app bar go ? |
| 03:47.35 | canllaith | You told it to run fullscreen... |
| 03:47.50 | lxuser | no i didnt |
| 03:48.13 | lxuser | full window mode ? |
| 03:48.45 | canllaith | You did, if you typed in 'kstart --fullscreen kate'. Interestingly enough, this launches the program in fullscreen mode. |
| 03:49.21 | lxuser | thats what you told me to do |
| 03:49.33 | lxuser | you are wrong |
| 03:49.43 | canllaith | Perhaps you should be more clear with what you want the application to do ? |
| 03:49.48 | lxuser | that was not what i asked |
| 03:49.49 | canllaith | What is 'full window mode' then ? |
| 03:50.16 | lxuser | runing it inside a windows mabey :-) |
| 03:50.37 | canllaith | You will have to be more clear, or we can't help you. |
| 03:50.45 | lxuser | lol |
| 03:50.57 | canllaith | If you don't speak correct English we can't understand what it is you want. |
| 03:51.10 | lxuser | rotflol |
| 03:51.26 | lxuser | speak english or die |
| 03:51.34 | lxuser | hail |
| 03:51.48 | lxuser | the queen |
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| 04:27.07 | arrummzen | Why would startkde lie and say that I don't have write access to /tmp when I do? |
| 04:31.23 | arrummzen | the exact error is: |
| 04:31.50 | arrummzen | /usr/bin/startkde: line 28: /tmp/KDE.startkde.bQ4851: Permission denied |
| 04:31.58 | arrummzen | You don't have write permission for /tmp |
| 04:32.15 | arrummzen | yet, I have tmp set to be world writable? |
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| 05:14.05 | grepper | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.41 | arrummzen_ | drwxrwxrwx 11 root root 4096 Jun 14 20:29 tmp |
| 05:14.59 | grepper | should be 1777 |
| 05:15.07 | grepper | drwxrwxrwt |
| 05:15.28 | arrummzen_ | Isn't that what I have? |
| 05:15.52 | grepper | stat /tmp|grep Uid |
| 05:16.18 | arrummzen_ | Access: (0777/drwxrwxrwx) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
| 05:16.33 | grepper | as you can see it is 0777 no 1777 |
| 05:16.38 | grepper | not* |
| 05:16.55 | arrummzen_ | Whats the differnce between 0777 and 1777? |
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| 05:17.23 | arrummzen_ | Now I get |
| 05:17.23 | arrummzen_ | Access: (1777/drwxrwxrwt) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
| 05:17.33 | adaptr | Hi, does anybody know how to turn off deadkeys when I dont actually have them enabled ? |
| 05:17.38 | arrummzen_ | But I still get the same errors. |
| 05:17.47 | grepper | sticky bit |
| 05:18.24 | grepper | what about the perms on user's kde dirs and files there |
| 05:18.48 | grepper | kde-$USER ksocket-$USER etc |
| 05:18.57 | arrummzen_ | What are those? |
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| 05:19.19 | grepper | seems obvious |
| 05:19.30 | grepper | they are dirs and files kde writes to |
| 05:19.40 | arrummzen_ | Whats the full path? |
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| 05:19.46 | grepper | /tmp/* |
| 05:20.24 | arrummzen_ | ls -l /tmp/ | grep kde-arrummzen |
| 05:20.29 | arrummzen_ | drwx------ 2 arrummzen arrummzen 4096 Jun 14 20:33 kde-arrummzen |
| 05:20.48 | arrummzen_ | ls -l /tmp/ | grep ksocket-arrummzen |
| 05:20.54 | arrummzen_ | drwx------ 2 arrummzen arrummzen 4096 Jun 14 20:33 ksocket-arrummzen |
| 05:22.07 | grepper | dunno, just clean out /tmp (if there is nothing there you want to hang onto) and stop and restart X |
| 05:23.07 | arrummzen_ | Ill try that latter, I already started kde by hand now, and I hate to restart X (everytime I start or stop X I have about a 1/9 chance of the entire system locking up) |
| 05:23.21 | grepper | its working now ? |
| 05:23.31 | grepper | doesn't sound good |
| 05:23.45 | arrummzen_ | I had to do $ kwin && kdesktop && kicker |
| 05:24.03 | grepper | what is wrong with X ? |
| 05:24.10 | arrummzen_ | It likes to crash? |
| 05:25.56 | grepper | I wouldn't stand for it :) |
| 05:26.54 | bline | anyone know of dcop examples using kwallet? |
| 05:27.30 | arrummzen_ | I wouldn't for the first 12 months, then I gave up on it and just said I will not start or stop X, or use VTs or use two X servers. |
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| 05:29.24 | bline | kwallet doesn't advertise password dcop functions.. the dcop interface class has them though |
| 05:30.41 | grepper | what video card ? |
| 05:31.03 | arrummzen_ | I think its a problem with xorg, no my videocard or driver. |
| 05:31.47 | jql | hmm |
| 05:31.50 | arrummzen_ | It happens with 3 machines. 1 with a GeForce 3(VESA), 1 with a ATI 9600(VESA), 1 with nVidia 6800 (nVidia driver) |
| 05:32.04 | grepper | bizarre |
| 05:32.13 | arrummzen_ | am I the only one with this problem? |
| 05:32.16 | grepper | I've certainly not had any such probs |
| 05:32.32 | arrummzen_ | well, maybe its time for me to upgrade my X server... |
| 05:32.46 | arrummzen_ | Im using the some build on all my machines. |
| 05:32.53 | grepper | yep |
| 05:34.41 | eean | bline: yea, I've wondered how to do this as well |
| 05:34.50 | eean | to get passwords over just a SSH terminal |
| 05:38.59 | bline | ahh, kded |
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| 05:49.11 | bimbo | anyone know where can I download krita? |
| 05:50.49 | grepper | you mean the source ? |
| 05:51.09 | bimbo | yes |
| 05:51.29 | grepper | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde |
| 05:51.48 | bimbo | and what is this then? |
| 05:51.48 | bimbo | http://www.koffice.org/releases/1.4-rc1-release.php |
| 05:51.54 | grepper | its part of koffice, if you want to get a tarball |
| 05:51.58 | bline | cool, got it |
| 05:52.23 | bimbo | I'm searching in the web page, and I can't find any tarballs yet |
| 05:52.47 | bimbo | for koffice 1.4 I mean |
| 05:53.14 | grepper | its there |
| 05:53.44 | grepper | KOffice 1.3.5 stable is available 04here |
| 05:54.17 | bimbo | grepper: ah yeah, but 1.3.5 doesn't include krita |
| 05:54.19 | grepper | The latest development release is KOffice 1.4-rc1. Get it from 04here |
| 05:54.37 | grepper | yes, its all there together on that page |
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| 05:55.44 | bimbo | grepper: in 1.3.5? I just download that and it's not included there |
| 05:57.02 | bimbo | and also I don't know where is that Koffice stable if available here and stuff |
| 05:57.13 | grepper | <grepper> The latest development release is KOffice 1.4-rc1. Get it from here |
| 05:57.22 | grepper | you don't see that line on the web page ? |
| 05:57.49 | bimbo | no, I don't |
| 05:58.18 | bimbo | if I go to the latest releases sections, and choose koffice 1.4 I only see the source code pkg |
| 05:58.27 | grepper | June 19 is set for the release of the final version |
| 05:58.35 | grepper | you said you wanted source |
| 05:58.57 | bimbo | yeah first I said that, and then you said there where tarballs already |
| 05:59.37 | grepper | the tarballs are of the source |
| 05:59.44 | grepper | tarball, not binaries |
| 05:59.47 | bimbo | anyway, I'll install koffice from source |
| 05:59.54 | grepper | your distro doesn't have binaries ? |
| 05:59.57 | bimbo | grepper: yeah, I got confused, sorry |
| 06:00.01 | bimbo | grepper: for 1.4? no |
| 06:00.14 | bimbo | only for 1.3.5, all I need is krita |
| 06:00.24 | grepper | well, its not released till June 19 |
| 06:00.42 | bimbo | ? |
| 06:00.52 | bimbo | its supposed to be on this 1.4-rc1 |
| 06:01.36 | grepper | that's a "release candidate" not the final release |
| 06:01.44 | bimbo | yeah I know |
| 06:01.51 | bimbo | I really don't care about stability right now |
| 06:02.01 | bimbo | just want to try krita out |
| 06:02.50 | grepper | ok |
| 06:03.03 | bimbo | but thx for the help |
| 06:03.38 | grepper | ok |
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| 06:38.21 | bline | http://scott.nmsrv.com/wallet.sh if anyone is interested (dcop to kwallet) |
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| 07:04.57 | Zero_Dogg | is there any way to make qt use gtk themes (a reversed gtk-qt) |
| 07:07.03 | ro28 | Zero_Dogg: I don't think so |
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| 07:07.56 | Zero_Dogg | that's what I thought :/ - currently I only use one kde program and it'd be nice if that'd blend in with all my other gtk ones |
| 07:10.02 | ro28 | Zero_Dogg: yeah, KDE is kind of all-or-nothing; I wouldn't use a single KDE program unless I was willing to use them all (which I am) |
| 07:10.26 | Zero_Dogg | I don't want to use any KDE programs really, but there is no GTK tool that comes close enough to kbabel |
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| 07:10.52 | acorn | maybe you can use qt-gtk .. at least make gtk apps like like the KDE one |
| 07:11.02 | acorn | maybe it's called gtk-qt I don't recall |
| 07:11.53 | Zero_Dogg | it's gtk-qt, but I'd prefer to have the kde app look like gtk, not the other way around. Don't want to install even more of KDE for theming and such, so I'll have to live with it until someone cooks up a reversed version of gtk-qt :) |
| 07:13.00 | ro28 | Zero_Dogg: that's probably not all that likely I think, since Qt is C++ and GTK is C, and it's really easy to use C from a C++ app. But it would be nice :-) |
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| 07:15.20 | canllaith | There are a few themes that are unified |
| 07:15.31 | canllaith | qtcurve is a rather nice looking theme that has both a KDE and GTK version |
| 07:15.42 | canllaith | I believe there is an industrial theme for KDE |
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| 07:16.04 | canllaith | Hey physos :) |
| 07:16.32 | physos | moin canllaith :) |
| 07:16.34 | Zero_Dogg | ro28: it'd be nice yeah |
| 07:17.04 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/KDE-4.4.1.png |
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| 07:17.44 | canllaith | That is qtcurve, for which there is an identical gtk theme. Rather nice and clean and less overhead than gtk-qt. |
| 07:17.58 | ro28 | KDE 4? That's a typo, right? :-) |
| 07:18.38 | canllaith | It's because ksnapshot likes to automatically increment numbers in the previous filename when it suggests a new one |
| 07:18.47 | canllaith | The previous screenshot was named KDE-3.4.1 |
| 07:19.02 | ro28 | Ah, right... :-) |
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| 07:19.43 | Zero_Dogg | canllaith: yeah, that didn't look to bad I must admit |
| 07:20.31 | Zero_Dogg | canllaith: but how am I going to change kde theme without kcontrol? |
| 07:20.52 | ro28 | Zero_Dogg: 'qtconfig' command |
| 07:21.16 | lauri | that won't affect kdm |
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| 07:21.38 | Zero_Dogg | ro28: ah, but the theme selcted in qtconfig is not the same as kbabel uses |
| 07:21.52 | lauri | you can't, easily, do lots of things to KDE without KControl |
| 07:22.13 | ro28 | Zero_Dogg: really? hmm, then you will probably have to edit the files by hand |
| 07:22.27 | ro28 | Zero_Dogg: if you were running Gentoo, you could just install kcontrol without the rest of KDE |
| 07:22.27 | Zero_Dogg | ro28: that'll be no problem as long as I know which files to edit. |
| 07:22.52 | lauri | (and boy is that idea broken in all sorts of other ways) |
| 07:23.31 | ro28 | lauri: broken how...? |
| 07:23.35 | Zero_Dogg | it wants to install all kinds of junk along with kcontrol, oh well |
| 07:23.41 | forlorn | lauri: the gentoo separation? |
| 07:23.43 | lauri | apt split-ebuilds |
| 07:23.44 | apt | If you didn't build the whole of a KDE module, we can't offer support. See http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=110806759516927&w=2 for the reason. Try #gentoo if you don't want to install the full KDE module. |
| 07:24.03 | forlorn | hm, very interesting |
| 07:24.13 | Zero_Dogg | canllaith: got a url for that |
| 07:24.16 | forlorn | seems that kde people are split on that themselves! |
| 07:24.17 | Zero_Dogg | I don't run gentoo anyway. |
| 07:24.23 | Zero_Dogg | canllaith: the theme that is |
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| 07:24.59 | lauri | forlorn: installing bits of KDE only works when you know all the interactions of the apps, and what you are breaking |
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| 07:25.35 | forlorn | well, then KDE should NOT claim modularity |
| 07:25.43 | lauri | installing random bits of KDE based on advice from someone who's been on IRC for five minutes, and then expecting KDE to support the resulting mess, unfair |
| 07:26.03 | lauri | you misunderstand what modularity means then |
| 07:26.11 | bline | canllaith: what is that on the bottom right of the screenshot? |
| 07:26.12 | lauri | and frankly, this is a dead topic here |
| 07:26.46 | lauri | we *will* not shoulder distribution support, we haven't the people (feel free to pay anyone here a consulting fee for professional technical support though) |
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| 07:27.01 | lauri | or make gentoo do their own support (which is in fact the problem, much more than the splits) |
| 07:27.13 | forlorn | lauri: that is ok, what I have a gripe with is this statement |
| 07:27.20 | forlorn | <lauri> (and boy is that idea broken in all sorts of other ways) |
| 07:27.31 | forlorn | if the distro handles the dependencies correctly, what's wrong with the idea? |
| 07:27.48 | pinotree | hello |
| 07:27.52 | Zero_Dogg | lauri: without kcontrol, how can I set the theme? |
| 07:27.54 | lauri | the distro does not handle the dependencies correctly, based on the amount of support issues it generates here |
| 07:28.29 | forlorn | lauri: is there a way one could see those issues? perhaps that could be corrected |
| 07:28.40 | lauri | ask gentoo |
| 07:28.54 | lauri | I tell everyone with such problems to file bugs there |
| 07:29.15 | forlorn | ok, i understand |
| 07:29.30 | lauri | but you can install konqueror with no kioslaves.. that's really useful |
| 07:29.44 | lauri | and just a simple example |
| 07:30.39 | lauri | (and hearing you can install kcontrol standalone scares me) |
| 07:31.08 | lauri | does it install the modules? which modules? does that mean kcmshell is not available to run them standalone if the kcontrol ebuild is not installed? |
| 07:31.29 | forlorn | actually I think kcontrol ebuild is wrong |
| 07:31.40 | forlorn | it installs all the base kcm modules |
| 07:31.49 | forlorn | with it, instead of the application |
| 07:31.52 | lauri | *we* make a coherent desktop environment, and randomly removing bits of it and expecting it to work, and us to then hand hold you through the brokenness - that is the idea that is broken |
| 07:32.09 | forlorn | the correct way would be a control use flag, which would require kcontrol installation, and in that case install the kcm files |
| 07:32.24 | lauri | ok, so the kdm kcontrol module (which does not need kcontrol to run, only kcmshell, and the *apps* all need kcmshell, so that should surely already be there) |
| 07:32.32 | forlorn | but lauri, other people in kde believe the packagers should be splitting kde |
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| 07:32.43 | ro28 | lauri: I understand your frustration; the amount of Gentoo users who go and do things which are clearly marked 'experimental' and then bitch about it not working is unbelievable. It's especially unfortunate that they're bitching to KDE devs as well as Gentoo devs :-( |
| 07:32.49 | lauri | I never said it shouldn't be split |
| 07:32.56 | lauri | you are missing the point |
| 07:32.58 | lauri | the point is, *we* don't split it |
| 07:33.00 | forlorn | lauri: oh, so i guess kcmshell should be its own ebuild, or is that part of kdelibs? |
| 07:33.17 | lauri | and you can't expect *us* to know how you do, and support it, and keep track of 432 different distribution splits, since nobody splits it the same way |
| 07:33.32 | forlorn | I fully agree no KDE dev should be bugged about it at all |
| 07:33.56 | lauri | right |
| 07:33.58 | lauri | that's the entire point and problem |
| 07:34.42 | ro28 | lauri: don't let it bug you too much; your work and the work of other devs on KDE is appreciated, you know :-) |
| 07:34.49 | lauri | (and it's where gentoo fails miserably, compared to all other distributions, and why gentoo users have this reputation as whiny, and why we have to ask the distribution for every question) |
| 07:34.53 | eean | well, we should support splitting. perhaps a goal for the new build system. |
| 07:35.11 | lauri | eean: splitting is trivial as it is |
| 07:35.18 | lauri | I should know, I am a packager too |
| 07:35.20 | forlorn | the truth is that kde is not modular, dependencies shift and things are not abstracted properly, if say things were packaged in a consistent bundle, it might change tomorrow...i know since i install from svn, today kword doesn't depend on something from kspread tomorrow it does and I mean it's not in a library |
| 07:35.36 | eean | lauri: I'd think so, but you said its split up in different ways |
| 07:35.54 | lauri | eean: yes |
| 07:36.08 | eean | so I don't understand what you're saying :) |
| 07:36.35 | lauri | no, you don't |
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| 07:36.42 | eean | I actually switched to kdesvn-build before 3.4, so I've never had the pleasure of Gentoo split ebuilds |
| 07:36.48 | lauri | forlorn: where do you see KDE claiming modular compile time dependencies? |
| 07:37.02 | lauri | you don't (and won't, we claim no such thing) |
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| 07:37.11 | forlorn | lauri: ok, I understand your point now |
| 07:37.14 | lauri | modular code reuse, modular parts integration with other apps, modular runtime behaviour |
| 07:37.21 | forlorn | lauri: by distribution you assume binary packages |
| 07:37.24 | lauri | *not* compile time dependency |
| 07:37.31 | lauri | no |
| 07:37.32 | lauri | I do not |
| 07:37.40 | eean | forlorn: hehe, you're talking to a freebsd dev |
| 07:37.57 | lauri | (when I say package, I mean 'or other method of installation into some centrally registered database of what you have installed, however the hell that happens I care not" |
| 07:37.58 | forlorn | no, lauri, kde developers have claimed modular packages dependent on distro |
| 07:38.01 | forlorn | and in fact endorsed it |
| 07:38.12 | lauri | forlorn: cite please |
| 07:38.17 | forlorn | I shall |
| 07:38.20 | lauri | show me |
| 07:38.52 | Zero_Dogg | to get kcontrol I need to install apps worth 155 MB :/ |
| 07:40.43 | forlorn | bug #89867 |
| 07:41.32 | forlorn | sorry, that is incorrect |
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| 07:42.15 | forlorn | i will give you the correct number in a sec, bugs.kde.org is slow to me |
| 07:42.58 | lauri | Zero_Dogg: do you have kcmshell |
| 07:43.07 | lauri | (the binary) |
| 07:43.33 | lauri | if you do, you can run 'kcmshell --list | grep kdm' |
| 07:43.45 | forlorn | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104393#c9 |
| 07:43.45 | lauri | if you get a hit, you can run 'kcmshell kdm' |
| 07:43.55 | forlorn | comment by david faure, who says "we recommend" |
| 07:44.31 | lauri | I don't see 'because KDE has a modular compile time dependency system' or anything of the sort |
| 07:45.06 | lauri | but splitting up the kioslaves from konqueror and not having them as a hard dependency, surely you see that is madness? |
| 07:45.33 | lauri | and then not supporting users who don't realise that the reason they can't browse with konqueror is because they are missing a dependency? |
| 07:46.03 | lauri | and *us* having to know how precisely every distribution has it split, so we can tell them what the dependency *is*, when the distribution support channels should be able to tell their users that much easier than we can? |
| 07:46.03 | Zero_Dogg | lauri: wont work :/ oh well |
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| 07:46.50 | forlorn | lauri: do you think kio_file and kio_http are what users would expect, therefore gentoo should have a hard dependency on them, and anything else as extra? |
| 07:46.57 | lauri | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22120 |
| 07:47.28 | lauri | forlorn: *at least* those two, and make it clear in a post install message, in the documentation, somewhere, that you can add functionality with all the other ones |
| 07:47.33 | Zero_Dogg | lauri: though is kdm themes what I'm looking for? |
| 07:47.41 | lauri | Zero_Dogg: you were the one mentioned kdm :) |
| 07:48.02 | lauri | if you just want to tell kdm to use a specific widget style, just edit kdmrc (it's very well commented) |
| 07:48.31 | forlorn | ok, lauri, about kio I wholeheartedly agree with you, it makes sense - although konqueror is a container, a user who thinks they're installing a browser or a filemanager would not understand the need for separate installation of ioslaves |
| 07:49.09 | Zero_Dogg | lauri: no I didn't :P |
| 07:51.22 | forlorn | eean: freebsd just recently split kde, didn't they? plus unlike gentoo, they've always provided reasonable binary packages, perhaps due to the lack of the USE mess |
| 07:51.56 | eean | heh, don't ask me |
| 07:52.55 | lauri | we don't split kdebase or libs |
| 07:52.58 | forlorn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.12 | forlorn | ok |
| 07:53.14 | lauri | and there is no 'lack of USE', freebsd ports are entirely customizable to dependencies |
| 07:53.22 | lauri | it's just different |
| 07:53.28 | forlorn | libs are not split in gentoo |
| 07:53.35 | lauri | (and the way we do it, we can provide packages for all the options too) |
| 07:53.47 | forlorn | lauri: freebsd doesn't have nearly as many variations of USE flag combinations as gentoo |
| 07:54.06 | lauri | we choose not to |
| 07:54.14 | forlorn | lauri: whatever happened to libh, btw? |
| 07:54.23 | lauri | not for any technical reason preventing it |
| 07:54.25 | lauri | libh? |
| 07:54.42 | lauri | http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-libh/2004-July/000055.html |
| 07:55.03 | forlorn | ahhh, sad to hear |
| 07:55.10 | lauri | (there is a graphical installer available, some of the livcd's use it, libh is not it) |
| 07:55.11 | eean | lauri: whoa, do you have that bookmarked ;) |
| 07:55.34 | lauri | no, google is fast |
| 07:55.34 | lauri | and ggl:libh dead is faster |
| 07:55.35 | forlorn | libh was going to be much more than a graphical installer |
| 07:55.45 | lauri | I know |
| 07:55.52 | lauri | but nobody really cares :) |
| 07:56.08 | forlorn | lauri: why ? I care... |
| 07:56.15 | forlorn | is there something better? |
| 07:56.23 | lauri | are you going to write it? |
| 07:57.05 | forlorn | no, i haven't followed freebsd dev closely since 2001 |
| 07:57.16 | lauri | then like I said, nobody *really* cares |
| 07:57.57 | lauri | it's not like sysinstall is so bad, and you don't need it to do anything, it's a crutch for beginners and other-os refugees |
| 07:58.29 | *** topic/#kde by physos -> KDE 3.4.1 released | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ - The answer to your question might already be here! | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | KDE wants your ideas and help for the Google Summer of Code: http://developer.kde.org/joining/googlesummerofcode.html |
| 07:58.34 | lauri | I mean: it's not like yast or whatever, there's not a single thing sysinstall does, that you can't do just as easily multiple other ways |
| 07:58.41 | slayerbob | :o that reminds me |
| 07:58.45 | slayerbob | kde 3.4.1 rocks :D |
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| 08:00.50 | forlorn | lauri: did the departure of hubbard have something to do with the demise of libh? i remember he was involved in libh too |
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| 08:02.05 | lauri | he's not really departed, he wasn't all that active for a long time before he went to work at apple, and no, it wasn't really anything to do with it |
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| 08:03.08 | trumlewo | hello |
| 08:03.11 | forlorn | lauri: thanks a lot for this info |
| 08:03.33 | lauri | jkh doesn't commit much stuff anymore |
| 08:03.39 | trumlewo | is there naybody who can help me with Raki (syn-ce) ? |
| 08:03.54 | lauri | but some people don't need to be working knee deep in the kernel to still be important to a project |
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| 08:29.23 | expose | hi |
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| 08:29.56 | expose | or, certain devices only. |
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| 08:54.18 | sysshock | Hi? |
| 08:54.45 | ro28 | Hi...! |
| 08:54.49 | sysshock | Anyone familiar with ftp downloads? |
| 08:55.02 | ro28 | sysshock: er, yes... :-) |
| 08:55.41 | sysshock | I am behind a firewall. Its a http proxy. I tried kbear, but how do I setup kbear to use a htt proxy? |
| 08:56.17 | ro28 | sysshock: well, I don't think you can. HTTP proxies are for HTTP, not FTP |
| 08:56.29 | ro28 | sysshock: look for a SOCKS proxy |
| 08:56.34 | sysshock | I think its http proxy with ftp support or what |
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| 08:57.31 | sysshock | I know, because from windows, I had to setup a http proxy with ftp in the ftp client (total commander) |
| 08:58.08 | ro28 | sysshock: you can set proxies in the KDE control center |
| 08:58.25 | sysshock | Yes, but kbear fails to use it :( |
| 08:58.44 | ro28 | sysshock: ok, so figure out how to set proxy in kbear and then do so :-) |
| 08:58.58 | sysshock | I found it, but: |
| 08:59.15 | sysshock | There are lots of weird things, like OPEN, USER, SITE and whatsoever commands |
| 09:00.00 | sysshock | How can I specify a "command" to use a http proxy? |
| 09:00.12 | ro28 | sysshock: probably has something to do with how FTP over an HTTP proxy works. I've never tried such a thing... |
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| 09:01.13 | canllaith | Andrew``: if you're using Suse then Suse probably will have packages to update to KDE 3.4 that you can install using yast |
| 09:01.33 | Andrew`` | K thanks canllaith |
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| 09:49.35 | wowtor | i mean icq authorization |
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| 09:58.45 | LinuxMafia | all : kde-i18n-fa is not included in kde-i18n-3.4.1 , but it is in kde-i18n-3.2.0 , can i transfer that some how? |
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| 09:59.33 | Jejem | LinuxMafia: hmm |
| 09:59.35 | Jejem | wait! |
| 09:59.44 | LinuxMafia | Jejem: ok |
| 10:00.14 | Jejem | because langpack of 3.2.0 will not translate few words on 3.4.1 ;) |
| 10:00.30 | Jejem | you're sure that there isn't -fa in 3.4.1 ? |
| 10:01.02 | LinuxMafia | Jejem: yes i am sure i went to mirror |
| 10:01.12 | LinuxMafia | Jejem: and looked for it |
| 10:01.15 | Jejem | you've compiled from sources? |
| 10:02.00 | LinuxMafia | no |
| 10:02.11 | LinuxMafia | i am using gentoo |
| 10:02.32 | _rober | LinuxMafia: you are using gentoo ? you know drobbins is working for M$ ? lol |
| 10:02.33 | Jejem | your kde dir is /opt/kde3 ? |
| 10:02.36 | canllaith | Check that gentoo hasn't divided up i18n into different languages ? |
| 10:02.47 | _rober | LinuxMafia: we need to change the distro man |
| 10:03.09 | Jejem | LinuxMafia: /opt/kde3 ? :) |
| 10:03.14 | LinuxMafia | _rober: no thanks , i am happy with it |
| 10:03.15 | ro28 | _rober: sheesh, get over it. drobbins doesn't even have anything to do with Gentoo any more |
| 10:03.26 | _rober | lol you are in here too |
| 10:03.32 | Jejem | (can't find -fa too) |
| 10:03.41 | Jejem | -fa forgotten by developers ? :p |
| 10:03.47 | canllaith | No, it is there |
| 10:03.59 | Jejem | ok |
| 10:04.28 | canllaith | Perhaps Gentoo have packaged each language seperately as part of their split-ebuilds? |
| 10:04.35 | canllaith | Which makes a lot of sense that they would. |
| 10:04.36 | LinuxMafia | Jejem: yes it is starnge |
| 10:04.51 | pinotree | canllaith: that is done by all the distro |
| 10:04.57 | Jejem | only can find it for 3.4.0 |
| 10:05.02 | canllaith | pinotree: as far as I'm aware yes |
| 10:05.10 | Jejem | not for 3.4.1 |
| 10:05.11 | Jejem | (for me..) |
| 10:05.25 | canllaith | but then I'd have to change it to write documentation, cannot be bothered. |
| 10:05.25 | LinuxMafia | Jejem: -fa is in 3.4? |
| 10:05.36 | Jejem | LinuxMafia: yes in 3.4.0 |
| 10:06.35 | LinuxMafia | Jejem: i even could not find it for 3.4 |
| 10:06.58 | Jejem | i've found it on google |
| 10:08.48 | LinuxMafia | i will look |
| 10:09.03 | Jejem | kde-i18n-fa-3.3.2.tar.bz2 |
| 10:10.36 | Jejem | http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kde-i18n-fa-3.3.2.tar.bz2 |
| 10:10.46 | Jejem | can't find a more recent package :/ |
| 10:11.05 | LinuxMafia | yes but cant use that for 3.4.1 can i? |
| 10:11.12 | Jejem | you can |
| 10:11.30 | Jejem | but i think that few words in some apps will not be translated :p |
| 10:13.05 | ro28 | LinuxMafia: that's what I meant before; some strings will have changed between KDE 3.3 and 3.4 so it will be incomplete (at best) |
| 10:19.45 | LinuxMafia | :-( |
| 10:19.54 | LinuxMafia | tanks alot ro28 |
| 10:20.54 | Jejem | yes but i think that between 3.3.2 and 3.4 there aren't a lot of new translations ;) |
| 10:21.29 | ro28 | What does KDE use for i18n anyway? gettext, or it has its own solution? |
| 10:21.45 | Jejem | don't know :p |
| 10:25.40 | lauri | gettext |
| 10:27.16 | lauri | there's some big political problems within the fa team that really hold things up, unfortunately |
| 10:28.11 | lauri | (ie, they fight with each other so much, there's no time over for translating stuff) |
| 10:28.22 | Jejem | lol |
| 10:28.47 | Jejem | just kick their asses, and put them back to work |
| 10:29.13 | lauri | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-i18n-doc&m=102910698710347&w=2 |
| 10:29.44 | lauri | (That's the other side of it, Arash Zeini is the coordinator currently and disputes most of what's in there) |
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| 10:29.59 | Enforcer_JB | Hi everybody |
| 10:30.02 | lauri | it would be *really* great if someone *would* go kick their asses and put them back to work, or something |
| 10:30.30 | Jejem | i'm ok to do this job lol |
| 10:30.39 | Enforcer_JB | I have a rather large WWW site here where every scroll action will freeze konqueror for ~5-10 seconds with 100% CPU. is there any way to profile this to find the performance bottleneck? |
| 10:30.49 | lauri | read the thread, see what a mess it is, if you can figure out or know any of these people (I know FLOSS in your area is pretty small and tight community, you may know them :) |
| 10:30.52 | Enforcer_JB | I'm thinking about valgrind but don't know how to use it |
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| 10:32.34 | lauri | and I wish you best of luck, as you can see Jejem, it's been a long ongoing messy saga, although they did get it together for a little while not long after those mails, which is why there actually was a 3.2 release |
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| 10:34.35 | Jejem | lauri: ok... :/ |
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| 10:57.37 | DrZoot | ro28: i cant even get the thing to open a repos |
| 10:57.49 | ro28 | DrZoot: what kind of address are you giving it? |
| 10:59.10 | DrZoot | ro28: svn:/home/user/development/KDE/svn_repos |
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| 11:00.09 | majkie | hello i just wounder witch is the package name on kde in debian? that i need to apt-get? |
| 11:00.13 | ro28 | DrZoot: ah, OK then... I've only used it on a remote repository... |
| 11:00.21 | majkie | i did a apt-get install kdesktop |
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| 11:00.31 | majkie | do i need anything more then that? |
| 11:00.42 | DrZoot | ro28: ive tried that to, still no luck |
| 11:01.16 | s1amson | so, there once was a way to adjust the color settings on my secondary monitor by right clicking my desktop and selecting 'configure desktop' > 'display' > 'monitor gamma' tab, and apparently i did something at some point that removed the option for 'screen 2' in that section. so i reinstalled (yes a bit drastic) but, even after reinstalling (suse 9.3 & kde 3.4) the option for 'screen 2' still isnt there. any ideas? |
| 11:01.26 | ro28 | majkie: maybe you should try #debian |
| 11:02.10 | majkie | right |
| 11:03.23 | DrZoot | ro28: got it working, i was using the wrong address, the address should have been svn+file://blah/blah |
| 11:03.33 | DrZoot | ro28: thanks for your help anyways |
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| 11:06.48 | DrZoot | nother general question following on from my previous svn kioslave question, svn+file:// seems to work well, so any ideas on why svn+ssh:// does nothing?? |
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| 11:10.12 | ro28 | DrZoot: not really, no... |
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| 11:11.18 | DrZoot | ro28: cheers anyway, ive been trying to find some documentation on the ioslave itself but ive come up empty handed. guess ill just have to keep searching |
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| 11:31.58 | CruX_ | hi can k3b make clone copy like clonecd or alcohol ? |
| 11:32.31 | Jejem | yes :) |
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| 12:05.28 | paztulio | how do get a widget which would be called KFileListView without reinventing the wheel? maybe get it from konqi or elsewhere? thanks for help? |
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| 12:29.40 | rindolf | Hi all! |
| 12:30.05 | rindolf | Where (physically) are the contents of the Konqueror toolbar defined? |
| 12:32.49 | canllaith | konquerorrc in `kde-config --localprefix` ? |
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| 13:27.46 | tjs57 | ok, there's a bug in kde which is really annoying me, but I'm not quite sure what to file it under |
| 13:28.03 | annma | tell me how to reproduce it first |
| 13:28.13 | annma | I'll tell you then how to file it |
| 13:28.17 | tjs57 | basically, if you are tying an address into konqi and the suggestion combo is showing |
| 13:28.37 | annma | the bug is? |
| 13:28.44 | tjs57 | and then because you have started another app a second before the kwallet dialog starts up |
| 13:28.52 | tjs57 | you get locked out |
| 13:29.01 | annma | locked out? |
| 13:29.07 | tjs57 | keyboard does nothing |
| 13:29.13 | tjs57 | unable to change which window has focus |
| 13:29.23 | annma | not in locked mode |
| 13:29.25 | tjs57 | or click on any buttons |
| 13:29.29 | tjs57 | no, not as in locked mode |
| 13:29.37 | annma | so the culprit is the kwallet dialog? |
| 13:29.51 | annma | tell me exactly how you do that |
| 13:29.55 | tjs57 | ok |
| 13:29.59 | tjs57 | I use kontact |
| 13:30.01 | annma | wait for me so I enable the wallet |
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| 13:30.18 | tjs57 | kk |
| 13:30.38 | annma | so I launch kontact |
| 13:31.03 | annma | what do I do then? |
| 13:31.13 | tjs57 | ok, before-walkthrough: kontact needs to be set to use kwallet for passwords |
| 13:31.19 | tjs57 | and the wallet needs to be closed |
| 13:31.48 | annma | how do I set kontact to use kwallet for passwords? |
| 13:32.53 | tjs57 | for me after running through the wallet wizard |
| 13:33.00 | tjs57 | saying to use it |
| 13:33.05 | tjs57 | and then telling kmail to remember my passwords |
| 13:33.10 | tjs57 | it used the wallet by default |
| 13:33.35 | annma | hmm, this is not really clear, wait so I see wallet settings |
| 13:34.16 | annma | in kcontrol |
| 13:34.33 | annma | what are your wallet settings in the Access Control tab please? |
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| 13:35.05 | tjs57 | kontact/kmail and a few others are set to always allow |
| 13:35.21 | annma | how do you set that? |
| 13:35.28 | tjs57 | when the wallet is open |
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| 13:35.35 | tjs57 | and kontact tries to access it |
| 13:35.43 | tjs57 | I get a dialog saying allow/deny/always allow |
| 13:37.15 | tjs57 | annma: would the simplest be for me to walk you through it under remote desktop? |
| 13:37.42 | tjs57 | (my desktop) |
| 13:37.49 | annma | I don't use the wallet, that's why I have to set it |
| 13:38.01 | tjs57 | ok |
| 13:38.01 | annma | I asked you what are your settings in kcontrol |
| 13:38.17 | annma | Enable wallet is checked, what else? |
| 13:38.37 | annma | my kmail doesnot use the wallet |
| 13:38.40 | tjs57 | close when unused for an hour, I have a wallet called 'theo' set as default |
| 13:38.41 | tjs57 | that is all |
| 13:39.48 | annma | ok |
| 13:40.08 | annma | I have the closed wallet icon in systray |
| 13:40.24 | annma | what next? |
| 13:40.39 | tjs57 | if you launch kontact/kmail now, does it prompt you for a wallet password? |
| 13:42.20 | annma | no as the passwords are stored |
| 13:42.37 | annma | couldn't it work with another app? |
| 13:42.55 | tjs57 | should work with any app that prompts for kwallet on startup |
| 13:43.00 | tjs57 | e.g. kopete |
| 13:43.39 | annma | kopete does not either |
| 13:43.40 | annma | damn |
| 13:43.57 | annma | I could not get rid of that wllet and now I cannot get it back |
| 13:45.15 | annma | ok |
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| 13:45.19 | ukohsc | is the rar kioslave actually in svn yet? if so i can't seem to 'find' it... |
| 13:45.21 | annma | I removed kopete config file |
| 13:45.39 | annma | tjs57: I have the wallet dislog for kopete |
| 13:45.53 | tjs57 | ok, does it appear on kopete startup? |
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| 13:46.08 | tjs57 | (it needs to be on startup for the necessary timing pause) |
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| 13:46.27 | annma | not on startup, no |
| 13:47.03 | tjs57 | if you tell kopete to connect on startup to an account and wallet is closed it should popup the wallet dialog on startup |
| 13:47.17 | annma | the wallet was not closed |
| 13:47.31 | tjs57 | ok, it now appears after a moment when you start kopete? |
| 13:47.37 | annma | no! |
| 13:47.40 | annma | damn |
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| 13:49.49 | tjs57 | hmm..I will look at reproducing using dcop |
| 13:50.02 | annma | tjs57: for me it seems a kwallet problem' |
| 13:50.15 | annma | kwallet has so many bugs I don't file them anymore |
| 13:50.45 | annma | I got prompted for my kmail passwords each time |
| 13:51.16 | annma | I used a new .kde folder recently to try KDE from fresh |
| 13:51.26 | annma | the wallet gave me the most trouble |
| 13:51.31 | annma | as I don't want it |
| 13:51.55 | tjs57 | annma: I suspect it is a problem with any topmost window |
| 13:52.19 | annma | it depends if the window keeps the focus |
| 13:52.28 | annma | if not the risk is that the user does not see it |
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| 13:52.44 | annma | if it keeps the focus it steals it from current action |
| 13:52.59 | annma | which happens probably in your case |
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| 13:54.36 | tjs57 | hmm..I can't reproduce with kdialog set topmost |
| 13:54.43 | tjs57 | so does look like it is kwallet's doing |
| 13:56.21 | annma | I would say so, yes |
| 13:56.31 | annma | did you look at kwallet settings? |
| 13:56.38 | annma | at kwallet bugs, I mena |
| 13:56.40 | tjs57 | hmm..I can't reproduce with kwallet either now |
| 13:56.41 | annma | I mean |
| 13:56.47 | annma | oh |
| 13:56.50 | annma | god |
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| 13:57.15 | chx | hi. I'd like to create midi out of mp3 -- I know it won't be perfect, but at least try. |
| 13:57.24 | chx | is there something for KDE? |
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| 13:59.11 | tjs57 | ok, can now reproduce with kwallet, and I think I know the cause |
| 13:59.43 | PhilRod | chx: I've never heard of anything that will do mp3->midi, but timidity and perhaps kmid(i) will do midi->mp3 |
| 14:05.27 | chx | PhilRod: xgmc |
| 14:05.34 | chx | PhilRod: meanwhile I found it :) |
| 14:06.02 | chx | Midi Sequencer/Editor/Editor which is designed to create midi files from WAVE input |
| 14:06.27 | tjs57 | interesting, the bug in question is in b.k.o and there is code in kwallet to fix it... |
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| 14:44.17 | a_thing | Anyone else notice that Konqueror crashes when you go up at the top level in the tar protocall? |
| 14:45.00 | _sbcl3 | konqueror crashes enough all the time that i don't notice it |
| 14:45.09 | annma | copme on |
| 14:45.16 | annma | mine does not crash |
| 14:45.21 | _sbcl3 | quick question: how do i burn an iso image with k3b? |
| 14:45.26 | pinotree | a_thing: iirc it's an already reported issue |
| 14:45.35 | lippel | a_thing: going to top-level via editing the url in the location bar? |
| 14:45.51 | _sbcl3 | do i need some plugin? |
| 14:46.06 | pinotree | _sbcl3: tools -> cd -> write cd image |
| 14:46.09 | a_thing | no |
| 14:46.13 | a_thing | pressing the up button |
| 14:46.18 | smike | my 3.4.1 doesn't crash |
| 14:46.34 | pinotree | mine neither |
| 14:46.37 | Tm_T | my bike doens't crash |
| 14:47.05 | _sbcl3 | pinotree: thanks. after i figure out why my cd-drive won't open i'll do it |
| 14:47.26 | lippel | a_thing: had the problem some time ago with sftp, using SVN HEAD. it's gone by now |
| 14:47.28 | a_thing | _sbcl3: Tools>CD or DVD>Burn Image |
| 14:50.42 | _sbcl3 | does anyone here know where i can get Kiten? I think katzbrown's site is down :( |
| 14:51.27 | annma | in kdeedu package |
| 14:51.30 | annma | :))) |
| 14:51.47 | annma | what distro do you have? |
| 14:54.44 | _sbcl3 | annma: i did that. kiten doesn't work. its the only one that doesn't work. |
| 14:54.53 | _sbcl3 | it says it "can't find libkiiten1" |
| 14:55.04 | annma | libkiten? what next??? |
| 14:55.17 | annma | there's no libkiten |
| 14:55.28 | _sbcl3 | i tried to open it from the terminal, and that's what it says :/ |
| 14:55.39 | annma | _sbcl3: damn, what is your distro?? |
| 14:55.48 | _sbcl3 | kiten: error while loading shared libraries: libkiten.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:55.54 | _sbcl3 | kubuntu |
| 14:56.18 | _sbcl3 | all of the other kdeedu packages work fine (btw, thanks for your work on kturtle...i love it) |
| 14:56.19 | annma | how are the packages split? |
| 14:56.27 | annma | oh, thanks |
| 14:56.48 | _sbcl3 | packages split? in apt when you install "kdeedu" it just installs a whole bunch of smaller things |
| 14:57.32 | annma | I mena, where did they find a libkiten? there's no lib in kiten, I am looking at the source right now |
| 14:57.43 | _sbcl3 | i have no clue |
| 14:57.47 | pinotree | annma: in debina they have splitted kiten in kiten and libkiten1 |
| 14:57.48 | annma | so you have to apt-get kiten? |
| 14:57.55 | _sbcl3 | yes |
| 14:57.59 | annma | stupid |
| 14:58.06 | annma | there's no lib in the code |
| 14:58.12 | pinotree | annma: it's a lib... |
| 14:58.24 | pinotree | better: there's a lib... |
| 14:58.24 | annma | why do they do that to our code? why? WHY? |
| 14:58.34 | _sbcl3 | pinotree: that's fine, except that theres no package called "libkiten1"... |
| 14:58.42 | annma | kiten is just a small prog |
| 14:58.46 | pinotree | _sbcl3: sure? debian or ubuntu? |
| 14:58.48 | annma | there's no need to split it |
| 14:58.57 | _sbcl3 | pinotree: ubuntu |
| 14:59.02 | _sbcl3 | it's debian-based |
| 14:59.17 | pinotree | i know, i've debian :) |
| 14:59.30 | _sbcl3 | pinotree: where can i get libkiten1? |
| 14:59.31 | pinotree | _sbcl3: doing apt-get libkiten1 kiten ? |
| 14:59.37 | _sbcl3 | i'll try |
| 14:59.47 | pinotree | _sbcl3: it SHOULD be along with kiten |
| 15:00.27 | _sbcl3 | it can't find the package |
| 15:01.00 | _sbcl3 | well this sucks :( |
| 15:01.21 | pinotree | _sbcl3: ubuntu hoary? |
| 15:02.06 | _sbcl3 | yes |
| 15:02.32 | _sbcl3 | i'll try uninstalling kiten and reinstalling |
| 15:02.32 | pinotree | did you upgrade to beezy (ubuntu unstable) for kde 3.4.1 ? |
| 15:02.37 | _sbcl3 | no |
| 15:02.48 | pinotree | so kde 3.4.0, right? |
| 15:02.50 | _sbcl3 | yes |
| 15:02.55 | _sbcl3 | (kubuntu) |
| 15:04.00 | pinotree | could you please do apt-cache showpkg kiten and paste the output here http://rafb.net/paste ? |
| 15:04.29 | _sbcl3 | okay |
| 15:06.07 | _sbcl3 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/kb6bPD53.html |
| 15:06.27 | _sbcl3 | i think the servers are down too |
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| 15:08.30 | pinotree | _sbcl3: try downloading http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kdeedu/kiten_3.4.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb |
| 15:08.49 | pinotree | uninstall the installed kiten |
| 15:08.56 | _sbcl3 | did that |
| 15:09.03 | pinotree | and install this one using dpkg- i <deb> |
| 15:09.19 | pinotree | oh, ok |
| 15:09.32 | _sbcl3 | install this one using dpkg- i? |
| 15:09.38 | _sbcl3 | how will it look? |
| 15:09.44 | _sbcl3 | apt-get install kiten dpkg- i? |
| 15:09.55 | florg | hi, somehow my Kasbar doesn't work... it doesn't show if i add it to the panel. It only shows up floating when i start it explicitly - any ideas? |
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| 15:09.59 | _sbcl3 | oh |
| 15:10.00 | _sbcl3 | i see |
| 15:10.17 | pinotree | _sbcl3: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 15:10.23 | _sbcl3 | konqueror just crashed :( |
| 15:11.48 | _sbcl3 | here's what i get: |
| 15:11.51 | _sbcl3 | sbcl3@ramanujan:~/programs$ sudo dpkg -i kiten_3.4.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb |
| 15:11.51 | _sbcl3 | Selecting previously deselected package kiten. |
| 15:11.51 | _sbcl3 | (Reading database ... 79232 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 15:11.52 | _sbcl3 | Unpacking kiten (from kiten_3.4.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ... |
| 15:11.52 | _sbcl3 | Setting up kiten (3.4.0-0ubuntu1) ... |
| 15:12.08 | _sbcl3 | lets see if it works |
| 15:12.18 | _sbcl3 | kiten: error while loading shared libraries: libkiten.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:12.46 | _sbcl3 | :( |
| 15:12.58 | pinotree | _sbcl3: it seems ubuntu packagers have done something wrong... |
| 15:13.32 | pinotree | i'll post a file report, then... |
| 15:14.35 | _sbcl3 | can i compile it from source? |
| 15:14.40 | pinotree | sure |
| 15:14.49 | _sbcl3 | except that katzbrown.com is down... |
| 15:15.00 | pinotree | the source is in kdeedu |
| 15:15.45 | _sbcl3 | http://edu.kde.org/kiten/ ? |
| 15:16.13 | pinotree | yes, that is its page on our site |
| 15:16.42 | _sbcl3 | pinotree: so where do i download it? |
| 15:16.50 | _sbcl3 | the download link goes to katzbrown.com |
| 15:17.04 | pinotree | naaa |
| 15:17.14 | _sbcl3 | hmm? |
| 15:17.25 | pinotree | http://download.kde.org/stable/3.4.1/src/kdeedu-3.4.1.tar.bz2 |
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| 15:17.40 | pinotree | _sbcl3: it's NOT a direct link! |
| 15:18.27 | _sbcl3 | would someone like to walk me through the compilation process? |
| 15:18.37 | Themafia | is there a way to make the menu in the lower left corner in konsole pop-up quicker? |
| 15:18.40 | _sbcl3 | (once its finished downloading) |
| 15:19.12 | pinotree | _sbcl3: untar the file |
| 15:19.21 | pinotree | cd kdeedu-3.4-whatever |
| 15:19.31 | pinotree | ./configure |
| 15:19.34 | pinotree | cd kiten |
| 15:19.35 | pinotree | make |
| 15:19.40 | pinotree | su -c "make install" |
| 15:19.44 | pinotree | ;) |
| 15:19.47 | _sbcl3 | okay |
| 15:19.50 | _sbcl3 | thanks |
| 15:19.59 | pinotree | if you need help, i'm here... |
| 15:21.18 | smike | when compiling kdebase via konstruct I got the following compile error |
| 15:21.26 | smike | /usr/lib//libGL.a(glxcmds.o)(.text+0x1160): In function `glXGetMscRateOML': |
| 15:21.26 | _sbcl3 | how do you untar a .tar? with tar.gz its tar xzvf . what is it with regular .tar? |
| 15:21.26 | smike | : undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion' |
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| 15:21.58 | smike | I don't know, what this error means. |
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| 15:22.14 | smike | Has anyone an idea? |
| 15:22.21 | pinotree | _sbcl3: which extensions has it? |
| 15:22.27 | pinotree | .tar.bz2 ? |
| 15:22.27 | _sbcl3 | .tar |
| 15:22.32 | _sbcl3 | first i did a bunzip2 |
| 15:22.53 | pinotree | tar x file.tar |
| 15:23.10 | smike | _sbcl3: tar xjf name.tar.bz2 |
| 15:23.24 | smike | _sbcl3: tar xf name.tar |
| 15:23.31 | _sbcl3 | k |
| 15:23.52 | _sbcl3 | pinotree: i'm having problems with the ./configure |
| 15:24.00 | pinotree | what does it say? |
| 15:24.21 | _sbcl3 | should i submit it to that one place again? |
| 15:24.28 | pinotree | yes |
| 15:25.25 | _sbcl3 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/7ojXKW48.html |
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| 15:26.39 | _sbcl3 | do i install the things it says it can't find through apt? |
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| 15:50.26 | rindolf | Hi all! |
| 15:50.28 | palmax | Hello! |
| 15:50.47 | rindolf | How do I cause KOrganizer to start automatically when KDE 3.4.x starts? |
| 15:50.52 | rindolf | palmax: hi. What's up? |
| 15:50.57 | palmax | :D |
| 15:51.32 | palmax | I'm a GNU/Gentoo user, I have a strange error with kmail when it start |
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| 15:52.22 | rindolf | palmax: good luck solving it. |
| 15:52.33 | Dhraakellian | hmm... does konqi have an autoreload feature? |
| 15:52.49 | palmax | Kmail did'nt cant crate <<$Home/Mail>> folder |
| 15:52.50 | grepper | rindolf: you can just save the session with korganizer running (and what ever else you want) |
| 15:52.55 | palmax | can you help me? |
| 15:53.25 | palmax | ~ $ ls -la ~/Mail/ |
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| 15:54.59 | palmax | can you help me grepper ? |
| 15:57.16 | grepper | not sure what your problem is |
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| 15:58.06 | spiral | hi |
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| 16:03.16 | palmax | :S |
| 16:03.50 | palmax | grepper, I use kde 3.3.2 because this version is the stable in portage (gentoo use portage for packages) |
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| 16:05.08 | RichiH | how can i get the bar at the bottom back? |
| 16:05.17 | RichiH | i beleive it's called kicker, but i am not sure :) |
| 16:05.29 | grepper | alt-F2 -> kicker :) |
| 16:06.52 | palmax | grepper, do you know what can I do? |
| 16:07.19 | grepper | not really |
| 16:07.24 | palmax | :S |
| 16:07.25 | RichiH | grepper: ok, i probably need a kick(er) in the head for asking this.. |
| 16:07.28 | grepper | what is the *exact* error message ? |
| 16:07.36 | palmax | I use kmail in spanish |
| 16:07.52 | grepper | that's only a problem if you don't speak spanish :P |
| 16:08.03 | palmax | Im spanish |
| 16:08.04 | palmax | :D |
| 16:08.32 | RichiH | i8n is the reason why each and every error message should carry a number or other UID |
| 16:09.17 | palmax | In english: Kmail cant crate <<$HOME/Mail>> folder. |
| 16:09.22 | RichiH | kde.kmail.error1337 or sth like that |
| 16:09.37 | grepper | l33t |
| 16:09.44 | palmax | Verify that you can see and modify the continent of the <</home/palmax>> folder |
| 16:09.59 | palmax | RichiH, what can I know the i18n error? |
| 16:10.02 | RichiH | palmax: is the drive full (think about the root reserved bits if you are using ext2/3), what are the rights for ~ |
| 16:10.13 | palmax | I have 1008M free |
| 16:10.40 | palmax | drwxr-xr-x 225 palmax users 27368 Jun 15 18:06 palmax |
| 16:12.21 | _sbcl3 | [12:13] <_sbcl3> when i open kynaptic i get this error: |
| 16:12.21 | _sbcl3 | [12:13] <_sbcl3> "Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)" |
| 16:12.22 | _sbcl3 | [12:13] <_sbcl3> what's that mean? |
| 16:12.51 | palmax | _sbcl3, you cant use apt-get more than 1 once in the same time |
| 16:12.54 | palmax | _sbcl3, you cant use apt-get more than 1 once at the same time |
| 16:13.00 | _sbcl3 | fixed it :) |
| 16:13.12 | _sbcl3 | i had to kill kynaptic...for some reason they weren't showing on the panel |
| 16:15.36 | palmax | RichiH, do you have more ideas? |
| 16:15.40 | palmax | gregday_, or you |
| 16:18.20 | grepper | my ~/Mail is drwx--S--- |
| 16:18.31 | palmax | S? |
| 16:18.46 | palmax | can you give me the 0x code? |
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| 16:18.52 | grepper | 2700 |
| 16:18.53 | palmax | for chmod |
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| 16:19.17 | palmax | error! |
| 16:19.19 | palmax | no |
| 16:19.26 | _sbcl3 | pinotree: can i install kiten without doing a ./configure first on the whole kdeedu? |
| 16:19.30 | palmax | ~ $ ls -la Mail/ |
| 16:19.31 | palmax | total 31 |
| 16:19.31 | palmax | drwx--S--- 2 palmax users 72 Jun 15 18:14 . |
| 16:19.31 | palmax | drwxr-xr-x 226 palmax users 27392 Jun 15 18:14 .. |
| 16:19.31 | palmax | -rw-r--r-- 1 palmax users 29 Jun 15 18:17 kk |
| 16:19.35 | aliumalik | does anyone know the switch that has to be added to the xserver in order to execute programs like kate from the console? |
| 16:19.43 | pinotree | _sbcl3: no |
| 16:19.52 | aliumalik | I remember it was something like -noac or noauth but not 100% sure |
| 16:19.56 | _sbcl3 | pinotree: i'm getting closer; i installed everything that had a "no" |
| 16:20.01 | _sbcl3 | but i still get the error about x |
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| 16:20.18 | pinotree | _sbcl3: you have to install X devel packages |
| 16:20.24 | _sbcl3 | k |
| 16:20.26 | pinotree | xlibs-dev |
| 16:20.30 | pinotree | and similar |
| 16:21.48 | grepper | x-window-system-dev if you want the whole shooting match |
| 16:22.07 | palmax | an anydody help me? |
| 16:22.31 | grepper | palmax: same thing for another user ? |
| 16:22.38 | palmax | I dont know |
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| 16:26.37 | PhilRod | aliumalik: do you mean running "xhost +localhost"? |
| 16:28.08 | aliumalik | PhilRod: X wouldnt allow me access as root while I am logged in as another user right? This switch made it allow other users access the X server |
| 16:28.34 | PhilRod | aliumalik: that's right |
| 16:29.07 | PhilRod | and make sure you set $DISPLAY on the console you're trying to start 'kate' (or whatever) from |
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| 16:29.19 | aliumalik | PhilRod: Do you know the switch? |
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| 16:29.34 | PhilRod | aliumalik: running "xhost +localhost" will do that |
| 16:29.47 | PhilRod | run that in a konsole in your current X session |
| 16:29.50 | grepper | kate from console ? |
| 16:29.58 | aliumalik | kate from console as root |
| 16:30.12 | grepper | from console as in no X ? |
| 16:30.48 | aliumalik | X is running but I need to run kate as root...so I usually fire up konsole and type su kate |
| 16:31.04 | grepper | please be aware that "console" is not the same thing as "konsole" |
| 16:31.22 | grepper | before you su to root do: export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority |
| 16:31.28 | grepper | then su and run kate |
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| 16:32.20 | aliumalik | grepper: thanks, what exactly does this command do? |
| 16:32.50 | grepper | gives root autherization to run apps on the display you are running |
| 16:33.16 | grepper | there is also the "sux" command if your distro has it |
| 16:34.22 | aliumalik | grepper: thanks...but I cannot rest untill I remember that switch :(..someone here told me that but I just can't place it |
| 16:34.27 | grepper | I suppose another way of saying it is that it transfers you X credentials to the superuser |
| 16:34.31 | aliumalik | this works perfectly though |
| 16:34.59 | PhilRod | presumably "man X" will tell you the X switch you want |
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| 16:35.24 | grepper | aliumalik: this is said to be a better solution than using xhost |
| 16:35.59 | aliumalik | is there anyway to use ttf fonts in konsole? or are there any good looking fixed fonts? |
| 16:36.41 | grepper | I use a ttf font |
| 16:37.39 | _sbcl3 | quick question: wtf is the point of KTeaTime (that tea cooker)? |
| 16:37.50 | markey | cooking tea |
| 16:37.52 | markey | and such |
| 16:37.55 | markey | an alarm |
| 16:38.09 | aliumalik | grepper: but konsole doesnt list ttf fonts |
| 16:38.10 | _sbcl3 | oh; i see |
| 16:38.17 | _sbcl3 | i thought it was some boredom cure |
| 16:38.22 | markey | that too |
| 16:38.55 | _sbcl3 | makes me thirsty for green tea |
| 16:38.57 | _sbcl3 | brb ^_^ |
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| 16:40.11 | aliumalik | is there anyway to set middle click in konqueroro to close tab/open link in new tab? |
| 16:40.14 | grepper | aliumalik: they are available to the rest of the system ? |
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| 16:40.28 | grepper | aliumalik: yes |
| 16:40.51 | aliumalik | grepper: yes...I asked the same question at linuxquestions.org and they said it couldnt be done because konsole doesnt support ttf fonts |
| 16:42.05 | aliumalik | grepper: how do I set konqueror to do that...cannot find middle button settings in web behaviour |
| 16:42.07 | grepper | aliumalik: I am using ttf-bitstream-vera |
| 16:43.55 | aliumalik | grepper: that is vera sans mono...fixed width....guess it cannot be done... |
| 16:44.25 | _sbcl3 | are there any graphical partition tools for kde? |
| 16:44.27 | grepper | eh ? |
| 16:44.45 | ralf | _sbcl3: qparted |
| 16:45.24 | ralf | or KFdiskItByYourself |
| 16:45.54 | grepper | aliumalik: you just said ttf, you didn't say you wanted to use non fixed width font |
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| 16:46.11 | aliumalik | grepper: my bad... |
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| 16:47.02 | _sbcl3 | in kynaptic, how do you get rid of those "held packages"? |
| 16:49.00 | ralf | _sbcl3: what is kynaptic? |
| 16:49.11 | _sbcl3 | the graphical apt package manager |
| 16:49.25 | ralf | wow |
| 16:49.30 | ralf | is like synaptic? |
| 16:49.42 | ralf | synaptic is the only gtk app i use |
| 16:49.54 | ralf | removing it will free much space |
| 16:50.07 | _sbcl3 | yeah; like synaptic |
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| 16:52.57 | _sbcl3 | i think it was a server problem |
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| 17:09.06 | raptorsfo | Distribution = SuSE 9.2 Pro X86_64, KDE version = 3.3.0 |
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| 17:09.44 | raptorsfo | What does KDE's network browsing use? smbfs or cifs |
| 17:11.01 | raptorsfo | Anyone here? |
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| 17:12.53 | raptor | What does KDE's network browsing use? smbfs or cifs? |
| 17:13.16 | _sbcl3 | pinotree: i'm getting closer |
| 17:13.19 | _sbcl3 | next error is: |
| 17:13.21 | _sbcl3 | checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 17:13.21 | _sbcl3 | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 17:13.22 | _sbcl3 | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
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| 17:13.55 | Apache2 | hey guys... for any kopete users, is it possible to change the happy face buddy list icons? |
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| 17:14.11 | Apache2 | without doing each one manually |
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| 17:14.41 | raptor | I have mounted a remote samba share on my workstation using cifs, but when I use Konqueror to browse it, Konqueror hangs until I open a console and do something on the share like create a file or directory |
| 17:14.55 | _sbcl3 | pinotree: hold on...i think i need kde-devel |
| 17:14.57 | raptor | Any ideas? I've asked and asked around at the samba channels |
| 17:14.59 | _root | hola |
| 17:15.47 | _root | some spanish channel in this server?? |
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| 17:28.16 | _sbcl3 | pinotree: i finally got it to work. |
| 17:28.19 | _sbcl3 | thankyou for your help. |
| 17:28.55 | pinotree | _sbcl3: did you install qt & kde headers? |
| 17:29.10 | _sbcl3 | yep :) |
| 17:29.20 | _sbcl3 | pinotree: kiten works fine |
| 17:29.23 | _sbcl3 | what about everything else |
| 17:29.28 | pinotree | :) |
| 17:29.31 | _sbcl3 | how do i get everything else to work? |
| 17:29.35 | _sbcl3 | can i do make for all of them? |
| 17:29.50 | pinotree | yes |
| 17:29.54 | _sbcl3 | alright |
| 17:30.00 | pinotree | be careful on kig, |
| 17:30.12 | _sbcl3 | k |
| 17:30.16 | pinotree | did it enabled the python scripting? |
| 17:30.22 | _sbcl3 | i don't know |
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| 17:30.49 | CapNemo | hello :) where can i visualize the history in konqueror ? |
| 17:31.08 | pinotree | CapNemo: F9 -> history tab |
| 17:32.00 | _sbcl3 | pinotree: i do have python installed |
| 17:32.15 | pinotree | and boost-python? |
| 17:32.57 | _sbcl3 | not sure |
| 17:33.29 | _sbcl3 | yes |
| 17:33.38 | _sbcl3 | but not the dev |
| 17:34.41 | _sbcl3 | pinotree: can i do this exact thing with koffice and everything else? |
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| 17:34.53 | pinotree | sure |
| 17:34.56 | _sbcl3 | cool |
| 17:35.02 | _sbcl3 | now i can have the unstables :) |
| 17:35.04 | CapNemo | pinotree: ok thanks :) |
| 17:35.14 | pinotree | but take care of uninstalling the cirrispondent debs before ;) |
| 17:35.19 | _sbcl3 | whoops |
| 17:35.21 | _sbcl3 | didn't do that |
| 17:35.50 | _sbcl3 | its still compiling |
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| 17:36.06 | pinotree | _sbcl3: until you do make, it's fine |
| 17:36.22 | pinotree | just before you do su -c "make install", uninstall the right debs... |
| 17:36.40 | _sbcl3 | k |
| 17:36.49 | _sbcl3 | i hope kynaptic keeps a log of everything it installs... |
| 17:37.12 | _sbcl3 | does anyone know if kynaptic keeps an install log? |
| 17:37.19 | tezem | I have a TwinView Configuration and Windows maximize to the size of one screen like I want them to but OpenGL Games go over both displays. Is this a kde issue? |
| 17:37.20 | pinotree | no |
| 17:37.32 | pinotree | erm, no @ _sbcl3 |
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| 17:37.43 | _sbcl3 | ouch |
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| 17:40.40 | _delmonico | hi... is there a way to configure konqueror to always use https and fall back to htpp only if the server doesnt support https? |
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| 17:41.16 | Jejem | _delmonico: add a s in your urls :) |
| 17:41.17 | Jejem | https:// :) |
| 17:41.25 | lauri | I seriously doubt it |
| 17:41.32 | _delmonico | :/ I'm sooo lazy :P |
| 17:41.52 | lauri | and you realise that would effectively double your network traffic to save you typing the odd s |
| 17:42.08 | _delmonico | network traffic is unimportant ;) |
| 17:42.09 | dec0ding | what package contains /usr/lib/libGL.la ? |
| 17:42.17 | _delmonico | hrhr |
| 17:42.24 | lauri | then no, you can't |
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| 17:43.39 | _sbcl3 | pinotree: does kdeedu through apt come with libraries? |
| 17:43.40 | lauri | dec0ding: xorg-libraries-6.8.2 |
| 17:43.49 | dec0ding | thanks |
| 17:43.51 | lauri | or the nvidia binary driver |
| 17:44.00 | lauri | or some other one |
| 17:44.02 | lauri | nothing to do with KDE in any case |
| 17:44.50 | pinotree | _sbcl3: apt-cache show kdeedu | less |
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| 17:49.50 | _sbcl3 | i think a ubuntu server went down again :/ |
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| 17:51.32 | _sbcl3 | pinotree: why does a removal of kalzium (periodic table software) require removal of "kde-devel"? |
| 17:51.56 | pinotree | don't know |
| 17:52.06 | pinotree | output? pastebin!) |
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| 18:00.02 | _sbcl3 | pinotree: can i remove kdeedu-data from apt? |
| 18:00.37 | annma | no! |
| 18:00.45 | annma | not if you want to keep kdeedu apps |
| 18:02.15 | _sbcl3 | i'm compiling them from source; does that make any difference? |
| 18:03.11 | annma | then remove everything from apt |
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| 18:05.47 | _sbcl3 | yeah |
| 18:05.58 | _sbcl3 | even the libs? |
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| 18:06.49 | annma | all kdeedu-related things only |
| 18:06.54 | annma | if you compile kdeedu |
| 18:07.08 | _sbcl3 | i'm compiling some of the individual programs in it. |
| 18:07.19 | _sbcl3 | (i don't want stuff i'll never use...) |
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| 18:09.02 | _sbcl3 | if i'm not installing all of kdeedu do i need kdeedu-data? |
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| 18:10.25 | _sbcl3 | yeah |
| 18:11.01 | George | yoyo PhilRod |
| 18:11.05 | _sbcl3 | why can't i install kdelibs? |
| 18:11.11 | PhilRod | hi George |
| 18:11.13 | _sbcl3 | in kynaptic, theres a red box next to it |
| 18:11.22 | annma | _sbcl3: what are you exactly doing, may I ask you to explain clearly please? |
| 18:11.33 | annma | of course you need delibs |
| 18:11.39 | _sbcl3 | i can't install it |
| 18:11.51 | _sbcl3 | i do have kdelibs4, but when i do a ./configure, it says i need kdelibs |
| 18:11.54 | annma | well then , please report to #debian-kde |
| 18:11.58 | _sbcl3 | theres a big red box next to it |
| 18:12.03 | annma | kdelibs-4 devel |
| 18:12.04 | _sbcl3 | i think i uninstalled it |
| 18:12.07 | _sbcl3 | hmm |
| 18:12.09 | _sbcl3 | yeah |
| 18:12.25 | _sbcl3 | i have that |
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| 18:12.43 | ksp | Is there a way to set a different size for desktop icons such as printer, network, trash etc than the size for normal files and folders? |
| 18:12.51 | sheldon_hearn | where do i report bugs in bugs.kde.org? :) |
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| 18:13.09 | pinotree | sheldon_hearn: speficy bugs.kde.org as product |
| 18:13.17 | pinotree | erm, select* |
| 18:13.21 | sheldon_hearn | bugs.kde.org won't let me create a new bug. it wants me to log in. but at the bottom of the login page, it clearly says "Log out sheldonh@clue.co.za"! |
| 18:13.22 | annma | sheldon_hearn: the easiest is to use the app interface |
| 18:13.26 | _sbcl3 | i think one of the servers is down |
| 18:13.29 | _sbcl3 | maybe that's why |
| 18:13.38 | sheldon_hearn | no, guys. the bug prevents me from using bugs.kde.org :) |
| 18:13.55 | _sbcl3 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 18:13.55 | _sbcl3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.58 | pinotree | sheldon_hearn: refresh of the page |
| 18:14.26 | _sbcl3 | Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.kde.org hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.kde.org_pub_kde_unstable_koffice-1.4-beta1_kubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 18:14.28 | sheldon_hearn | pinotree: doesn't help |
| 18:15.02 | annma | _sbcl3: ask in #debian-kde please |
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| 18:15.31 | sheldon_hearn | pinotree: i log in, then hit wizard.cgi, at which point it thinks i'm not logged in |
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| 18:15.49 | sheldon_hearn | pinotree: if i click on continue, the next page _does_ think i'm logged in :) |
| 18:15.52 | pinotree | sheldon_hearn: then logout and relogin when it wants you login |
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| 18:16.28 | sheldon_hearn | pinotree: i get the same thing |
| 18:16.35 | pinotree | strange |
| 18:16.50 | sheldon_hearn | pinotree: indeed |
| 18:17.07 | sheldon_hearn | can someone try get past the Continue button at http://bugs.kde.org/wizard.cgi ? |
| 18:17.40 | _sbcl3 | does debian sarge come with KDE? |
| 18:17.48 | _sbcl3 | on the screenshots i see gnome. |
| 18:19.02 | _sbcl3 | wrong window |
| 18:19.04 | _sbcl3 | sorr |
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| 18:20.40 | ksp | one nice thing Gnome has, is "emblems". Will this be developed for KDE? |
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| 18:20.55 | PhilRod | what is it? |
| 18:21.24 | ksp | Emblems are little "extra icons" for your icons... |
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| 18:21.44 | ksp | You can have an icon for lets say a text file |
| 18:22.05 | ksp | Then you rename it since something is wrong with it |
| 18:22.36 | ksp | So you add an emblem with a symbol such as a tiny bug or an exclamation point |
| 18:23.09 | ksp | They are placed in the corners of the real icon, so I think you can have 4 emblems for a file |
| 18:23.56 | ksp | Lots of useful little symbols to remind you of why you renamed all those files or which folder is more important or whatever |
| 18:24.09 | PhilRod | afaik, no one is developing such a feature, but I imagine it would be moderately easy to implement |
| 18:24.28 | PhilRod | I think you can change the whole icon for an individual file/icon, which is kinda similar, but not quite the same |
| 18:24.42 | ringerc | btw, the feature is somewhat akin to 'labels' on Mac OS |
| 18:24.53 | ringerc | in function, anyway |
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| 18:25.35 | ksp | I suspect some are automatically added, such as read-only and a bunch of CVS status emblems |
| 18:25.58 | PhilRod | you might be able to find someone in #kde-devel who can tell you more definitively whether it's implemented, and how easy/hard it would be to implement if not |
| 18:26.05 | ksp | So you can have all kinds of files and add emblems showing the CVS status - which is nice! |
| 18:26.08 | ksp | OK, thanks |
| 18:26.15 | PhilRod | erm, s/implemented/planned/ |
| 18:26.50 | ksp | I think there was a feature request once, I just wanted to check whether I had missed anything in the latest KDE versions |
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| 18:29.03 | apachelogger | MARKEY? |
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| 18:29.57 | mikaEL` | Why can't I can't find the arts Sound System in the KDE : Sound System Setup->Hardware->Audio Device ?... I have arts installed (debian sarge).. |
| 18:30.46 | PhilRod | mikaEL`: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:32.09 | mikaEL` | I' trying to change the sound system in KDE ... I have OSS and ALSA but only OSS works and I have conflicts with XMMS |
| 18:32.33 | _sbcl3 | i had that problem too |
| 18:32.44 | _sbcl3 | anyone know how to solve it? |
| 18:32.56 | mikaEL` | when I apt-get install arts it says it is installed |
| 18:33.20 | mikaEL` | but there is no arts to choose in KDE ... |
| 18:33.52 | PhilRod | mikaEL`: that's because that configuration is the configuration *for* arts |
| 18:34.24 | PhilRod | that configuration page tells arts what sound system to use as a backend |
| 18:34.42 | mikaEL` | so should I leave the sound system to Autodetect ?? |
| 18:37.16 | PhilRod | yup |
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| 18:39.40 | mikaEL` | I just did that but it tells me that /dev/dsp is busy .. that's because now I'm playing some music in XMMS (which uses OSS) .... so I think autodetect finds OSS and not arts .. |
| 18:40.24 | mikaEL` | in slackware there were both OSS and arts (plus ALSA and others) |
| 18:40.24 | PhilRod | autodetect tells *arts* to choose a sound system to use, so *arts* is using OSS (or alsa, or whatever) |
| 18:40.59 | mikaEL` | oh .. |
| 18:41.03 | mikaEL` | ok |
| 18:41.17 | mikaEL` | but how can I stop the conflicts |
| 18:41.18 | PhilRod | so you should tell xmms to use the arts plugin (it has one) |
| 18:41.27 | PhilRod | then everything will work beautifully |
| 18:44.25 | eisregen | w00t =) ... the file dialog has been unfucked in 3.4.1 .... kind of ^^ |
| 18:45.23 | mikaEL` | PhilRod : I just installed xmms-arts package and switched to arts input plugin .. and it' working :) .. thanx |
| 18:45.46 | PhilRod | np |
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| 18:51.47 | mikaEL` | and another problem :D .. In KDE (3.3.2) I can't use the shutdown/reboot options when I wanna logout ( In Session manager I checked Offer shutdown options) |
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| 18:52.06 | Jejem | mikaEL`: had this problem too |
| 18:52.23 | Jejem | need to disable "offer shutdown options", enable it and it'll work after |
| 18:52.29 | Jejem | "buggy" option ? :p |
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| 18:53.16 | mikaEL` | so I disable it .. reboot .. enable and that's it ? |
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| 18:58.18 | balmenach | guten abend |
| 18:58.26 | annma | hi |
| 18:58.26 | Dardo | ciao |
| 18:58.28 | balmenach | wie geht's euch so? |
| 18:58.30 | annma | salut |
| 18:58.41 | annma | ça va bien merci |
| 18:58.52 | balmenach | ist jemand ein debian benutzer von euch? |
| 18:59.00 | eisregen | balmenach: #debian |
| 18:59.15 | annma | amd english |
| 18:59.16 | balmenach | was heißt das jetzt? |
| 18:59.19 | eisregen | balmenach: I would try to ask that question there ^^ |
| 18:59.23 | annma | ENGLISH |
| 18:59.40 | balmenach | sorry, is someone a debian user in this group? |
| 18:59.53 | balmenach | you see i'm here for the first time |
| 18:59.58 | Dardo | Mandriva? |
| 19:00.04 | PhilRod | #debian-kde (or is it #kde-debian?) might be able to help |
| 19:00.16 | balmenach | ok thanx |
| 19:01.27 | Dardo | i need help with KDE 3.4 |
| 19:01.28 | annma | #debian-kde |
| 19:01.35 | annma | Dardo: ask your question |
| 19:01.40 | PhilRod | or #kde.de if there are any german speakers around |
| 19:02.14 | balmenach | i'm already in debian-kde, trying to ask my question, i'll come back later |
| 19:03.12 | Dardo | in the k menu instead of the usual icons i have folder icons! |
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| 19:04.14 | annma | how did you install kde? |
| 19:05.13 | Jejem | annma: with my keyboard :) lol |
| 19:05.19 | Dardo | from Mandriva Club |
| 19:05.27 | annma | Jejem: ha ha ha |
| 19:05.36 | annma | Dardo: did you try a new user? |
| 19:05.48 | Jejem | annma: hihi ;) |
| 19:06.07 | Dardo | no, let me try |
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| 19:24.54 | Gombe | is there any tab completion for ALT+F2 Run Command Dialog? |
| 19:25.32 | markey | yes |
| 19:25.37 | johnny69 | Good afternoon folks...is there any known problems with konqueror not remembering the "view profiles"?? I set the directories to be displayed as "detailed list"...save the profile..start konqeuror again, opena directory, and it's right back to what I started with. That is, "icon view". Is there any way to get it to remember? (this started happening immediately upon upgrade to kde 3.4.1) Thanks. |
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| 19:25.39 | markey | also auto completion |
| 19:25.53 | AaronCampbell | I can't seem to make KDE 3.3 use thunderbird as my default mail client (launch via launchmail) How can I do this? |
| 19:26.01 | samuella | hi, i'm needing to know if i can screenshot the kde welcome screen? |
| 19:26.02 | markey | right-click the widget, then "select input method" |
| 19:26.11 | markey | works for all kde text input widgets |
| 19:27.43 | markey | got me, Gombe? |
| 19:27.49 | markey | was talking to you |
| 19:27.55 | Gombe | yep, |
| 19:28.01 | Gombe | just trying |
| 19:28.21 | Gombe | but does it do that for local files? |
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| 19:28.43 | samuella | Is it possible to take a screenshot of the kde welcome screen? |
| 19:29.00 | Gombe | it seems to be auto-completing the previously entered commands |
| 19:29.54 | markey | yes, the latter |
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| 19:30.25 | Gombe | perhaps I am mistaking something: is it the TAB key or another key? |
| 19:30.52 | Gombe | tab key just changes the focus to other widgets in that dialog |
| 19:31.23 | Gombe | For text completion I tried drop down and automatic |
| 19:33.12 | Gombe | Fedora: I think they are not fair, they have defaulted KDE in their very ugly theme: bluecurve, but upgraded the theme for gnome (clearlooks). |
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| 19:33.19 | markey | well it's really completion for recently typed stuff |
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| 19:35.34 | AaronCampbell | is there a theme for KDE 3.3's login that will make it more like XP (I know...ouch, but I'm upgrading a bunch of office computers here). Something that will list users, and they can click on their name, and enter their password? |
| 19:35.40 | Gombe | doesn't it really have that feature or I just don't know how it is. (gnome's run command has autocompletion for local files) |
| 19:37.18 | markey | ugh, so you admit having used gnome before |
| 19:37.25 | markey | unholy! |
| 19:37.38 | Gombe | I just tried it a few minutes ago |
| 19:37.46 | Gombe | and I have always hated gnome |
| 19:37.53 | markey | that's the spirit |
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| 19:38.15 | Gombe | it is UGLY. there is no way around it's ugliness |
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| 19:38.42 | Gombe | I upgraded to fedora core 4 yesterday |
| 19:38.54 | Gombe | and they have defaulted gnome |
| 19:39.10 | Gombe | I am trying to find a way to set the default to KDE |
| 19:39.22 | Gombe | and set nice themes as default |
| 19:39.48 | markey | ah yes, fedora |
| 19:39.53 | markey | gnome hq |
| 19:40.24 | Gombe | their only benefit for me is their hardware support |
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| 19:40.39 | Gombe | which has always been nice |
| 19:40.59 | Gombe | but their themes has always been UGLY |
| 19:41.10 | Gombe | even for their own gnome |
| 19:41.33 | annma | other distros also have great hardware support |
| 19:42.34 | Gombe | I actually hate redhat and their folks but their hardware support is better than the others AFAIK |
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| 19:43.31 | Gombe | honestly the only thing that made me change my distro yesterday was that they released it on June 13 |
| 19:44.15 | Gombe | and there is finally a direct rendering module for my 3d accelerator there |
| 19:44.59 | Gombe | is there any REALLY-KDE-BASED distro around? |
| 19:46.04 | markey | ark linux |
| 19:46.08 | markey | kubuntu |
| 19:46.14 | markey | xandros |
| 19:46.28 | sgomes | suse |
| 19:46.29 | markey | suse |
| 19:46.32 | Gombe | xandros isn't free :( |
| 19:46.32 | Tm_T | Kubuntu <3 |
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| 19:46.54 | Gombe | I am actually waiting for suse(novell) |
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| 19:47.17 | Gombe | suse 10 is suppossed to be GREAT |
| 19:47.49 | Gombe | though they have hired a number of gnome heads (e.g. nat friedmann) |
| 19:48.02 | sgomes | suse 10?! 9.3 just came out a month ago or so |
| 19:48.19 | Gombe | they're working on it |
| 19:48.20 | markey | ark is free and very kde centered |
| 19:48.47 | Gombe | does it (ark) have good hardware support? |
| 19:48.54 | markey | dunno |
| 19:49.01 | markey | #arklinux |
| 19:49.11 | Gombe | ok let's try ;) |
| 19:49.47 | Tm_T | Gombe: Kubuntu does have good base (debian) ;) |
| 19:50.02 | Gombe | yes I know it's strong |
| 19:51.26 | Gombe | the only reason I haven't tried kubuntu is their connection with ubuntu |
| 19:51.35 | Gombe | which is gnome-based |
| 19:51.48 | Gombe | so it reminds me of fedora |
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| 19:54.46 | Gombe | can I use debian repository in kubuntu? |
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| 19:56.03 | markey | yes |
| 19:56.11 | Gombe | oops! |
| 19:56.21 | markey | yeah I agree on the connection thing |
| 19:56.26 | markey | it really puts me off too |
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| 19:57.20 | Gombe | I am afraid if they use kubuntu as a way to gather more people around ubuntu/gnome |
| 19:57.29 | c-101 | Hi there |
| 19:57.31 | Gombe | how is gentoo then? |
| 19:57.31 | markey | yes, absolutely |
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| 19:57.41 | markey | well gentoo is.. gentoo :) |
| 19:57.45 | freet | hello :) |
| 19:57.47 | markey | for ricers with much time at their hands |
| 19:57.54 | sgomes | hey, I heard that! |
| 19:57.57 | markey | hehe |
| 19:58.19 | sgomes | not a ricer, though, I use few optimizations |
| 19:58.46 | Gombe | :D |
| 19:59.04 | markey | ricers are gentoo users |
| 19:59.18 | Gombe | are they users? :D |
| 19:59.24 | sgomes | the thing with Gentoo is since it doesn't have any special tools or anything you always do the things the way they were meant to be done, therefore avoiding the config problems you're always running into due to distro control panels and stuff |
| 19:59.36 | eisregen | markey: hmmm ... I don't see the logic behind that ... =P |
| 20:00.01 | markey | eisregen: "wp: ricer" in konq |
| 20:00.14 | sgomes | ricers are users that want to optimize optimize optimize and use crazy flags for compilation and everything to get some more performance out of their PC |
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| 20:01.41 | sgomes | there's a lot of people that use Gentoo not for the ricing, but because of the package manager |
| 20:01.44 | sgomes | that's my case |
| 20:01.54 | sgomes | still haven't found anything better than portage |
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| 20:02.25 | Gombe | is there any "fast" way to try gentoo? |
| 20:02.27 | markey | I'd even try it if it was binary based |
| 20:02.36 | markey | but I really really lack the time to compile stuff for fun |
| 20:02.42 | markey | need the cpu to compile my own stuff |
| 20:03.04 | sgomes | markey: well, part of the flexibility is because it's source-based |
| 20:03.18 | markey | like, "oh, let's check the new kdevelop"... 1 hour later... there it is! |
| 20:03.26 | markey | I don't know, that can't be it |
| 20:03.27 | sgomes | that way you're not stuck to dependencies that the guy that did the packages chose |
| 20:03.40 | markey | my time's too scarce |
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| 20:03.46 | sgomes | well |
| 20:04.00 | sgomes | that's why you should install in advance ;) |
| 20:04.21 | AaronCampbell | is there a theme for KDE 3.3's login that will make it more like XP (I know...ouch, but I'm upgrading a bunch of office computers here). Something that will list users, and they can click on their name, and enter their password? |
| 20:04.58 | maquiz | look at kde-look.org at KDM-themes |
| 20:05.14 | Gombe | there are even nicer themes there ;) |
| 20:05.23 | sgomes | but about the cpu, well, if you're not the kind that installs everything as soon as it comes out, you shouldn't be compiling stuff that often |
| 20:05.48 | Gombe | how is hardware support in gentoo? |
| 20:06.06 | sgomes | what do you mean? |
| 20:06.11 | AaronCampbell | maquiz & Gombe: I tried a few themes, but they don't have the XP-type login. I'll try KDM-themes |
| 20:06.42 | AaronCampbell | anything works, as long as the users are click-able, and only the password is entered |
| 20:06.43 | eisregen | sgomes: well .... I wrote a update tool for slackware and I'm always current ... without much extra compiling =p |
| 20:07.25 | maquiz | aaron...: it might be handy to install kdmtheme... you can switch themes then within kcontrol |
| 20:07.38 | sgomes | eisregen: but if I was using slack I'd probably have to have Gnome installed to have some of the stuff I do. this way, I don't |
| 20:08.09 | maquiz | kdmtheme: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22120 |
| 20:08.48 | Gombe | sgomes, are you gnome-free? I wish to wipe out gnome from my machine |
| 20:08.56 | eisregen | sgomes: gnome ? whats that ? *snicker* I don't run any apps with gnome dependencies ... .... |
| 20:09.19 | Gombe | is it practically possible to remove gxxxx ? |
| 20:09.22 | sgomes | Gombe: 99%, the only thing I have is GTK+ because of one or two apps |
| 20:09.44 | Gombe | that sounds GOOD |
| 20:10.22 | Gombe | I have a rather fast machine with a nice 3d-accelerator that needs hardware support ;) |
| 20:10.30 | sgomes | eisregen: well, the thing is, there are certain apps that have *optional* gnome dependencies. in binary-based package managers they make the choice for you - and they'll probably add gnome support, resulting in a gnome dependency |
| 20:10.57 | Gombe | if gentoo is as good as fedora in hardware support, why shouldn't I get gnome-free? |
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| 20:11.14 | eisregen | sgomes: what are dependencies ? *g* ... I know that if I want gimp I have to install gtk else it won't run .... do you mean that ? *g* |
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| 20:11.32 | sgomes | Gombe: yeah, it's quite good. I killed Gnome since it touched my KDE menus. we had a non-violence agreemant, he wouldn't mess with me and I wouldn't mess with him. he broke it, so I killed him |
| 20:11.53 | sgomes | Gombe: hardware support? |
| 20:11.58 | eisregen | sgomes: the few optional dependencies there are in slack can be counted using less than onhe hand .. |
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| 20:12.17 | Gombe | yep, for example Direct Rendering (DRI,DRM) |
| 20:13.04 | lauri | could we move the "my distro rocks" conversation out somewhere else? when people are chasing me into other channels for help, because they can't get a word in here, that's not a great sign :) |
| 20:13.38 | maquiz | you can do that on ./ :) |
| 20:14.22 | sgomes | lol, sry |
| 20:14.47 | eisregen | or by sending support request emails to microsoft addresses for gentoo *ducks* |
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| 20:15.16 | maquiz | maybe you can daniel robbins for that ;) |
| 20:15.30 | maquiz | danielrobbins@microsoft.com |
| 20:15.53 | sgomes | the dark side is strong |
| 20:17.27 | markey | well, how does the gentoo communtiy feel about this stunt? |
| 20:17.39 | markey | I guess there has been quite some discussing? |
| 20:17.45 | maquiz | look @ forums.gentoo.org or slashdot.. |
| 20:18.37 | Gombe | lauri: about [Desktop Entry] files |
| 20:18.50 | Gombe | I guess I have an idea |
| 20:19.47 | maquiz | one way daniel could help introducing gentoo-features within MS-software, other way could be that MS hailed him in to learn how the open source community works and then catch them at their heart |
| 20:20.08 | maquiz | daniel has a family.. so he needs the money |
| 20:20.47 | sgomes | fine by me, I just care about the distro, that's all (and we're flooding again) |
| 20:20.54 | maquiz | yep.. |
| 20:21.01 | maquiz | me too.. |
| 20:21.35 | maquiz | I like its controlability.... |
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| 20:22.23 | maquiz | and good kde-support.. |
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| 20:22.37 | Gombe | can we find a way to store contact info in a [Desktop Entry] file |
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| 20:25.03 | alex323 | hey all |
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| 20:25.43 | alex323 | when i try to launch kde 3.4.1, it fails when it tried to "Start inter-process communication" |
| 20:25.47 | alex323 | what should i do to fix this? |
| 20:26.20 | Gombe | where to talk about kdvi? |
| 20:26.32 | Gombe | or kview/kviewshell |
| 20:27.12 | lauri | Gombe: what's your idea for kontact? if it's good, you should file it as a wishlist item at bugs.kde.org |
| 20:27.42 | Gombe | defining [Desktop Entry] files for human beings |
| 20:28.06 | Gombe | the same way we have .desktop, .directory files, ... |
| 20:28.14 | lauri | but there's already vcard files for human beings |
| 20:28.28 | Gombe | that is not the best way to do it |
| 20:28.32 | lauri | which have an actual standard, and most every adddressbook application out there understands it |
| 20:28.34 | lauri | why not? |
| 20:28.35 | Gombe | it gathers all them in a file |
| 20:28.43 | lauri | if you choose that |
| 20:28.48 | lauri | or not, if you don't |
| 20:29.08 | Gombe | can we have say 300 files for contacts? |
| 20:29.14 | Gombe | (practically) |
| 20:29.25 | Gombe | and easy to manage |
| 20:29.28 | lauri | they can be in an ldap store, or over imap |
| 20:29.29 | lauri | sure |
| 20:29.48 | lauri | choose 'local directory' for the contacts resource, and you'll get one file per person in the directory you choose |
| 20:30.02 | Gombe | wow! let me try it, thanks |
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| 20:37.42 | _root | hello2all |
| 20:38.34 | Gombe | lauri, Now I wish to be able to edit a lot more in a vCard file. for example change the icon, store my notes in it, ... |
| 20:38.58 | lauri | the icon? |
| 20:39.05 | lauri | you mean, add an arbitrary image for a user? |
| 20:39.07 | lauri | you can do that in kaddressbook |
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| 20:39.31 | lauri | there's a free text field there for notes too |
| 20:39.40 | lauri | and 'custom fields' that you can add yourself, they can be anything |
| 20:40.31 | Gombe | let's try |
| 20:41.04 | lauri | if you set an image in the addressbook, it'll show up in their mail headers when you get mail from them |
| 20:41.28 | lauri | add their irc nick, and if you're using kopete or konversation, it'll put their real name in there, and show you when you read mail if they're online or not too |
| 20:41.45 | lauri | ditto msn, yahoo, all the other stuff koptee supports |
| 20:41.57 | Gombe | oops! let me try it ... |
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| 20:45.36 | hashman | hi, I can't remember a file when I put commands there and it was exec everytime I start kde, can anyone helps me? |
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| 20:46.29 | lauri | ~/.kde/share/env/<filename>.sh |
| 20:46.43 | lauri | ack |
| 20:46.50 | lauri | ~/.kde/env/<filename>.sh |
| 20:47.04 | Tm_T | hm |
| 20:47.30 | Gombe | is it in autostart? |
| 20:47.38 | Tm_T | ~/kde/Autostart/ ? |
| 20:47.44 | Tm_T | .kde ofcourse |
| 20:47.53 | Gombe | ~/.kde/Autostart |
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| 20:48.15 | hashman | ~/.kde/Autostart <= and put the .sh there? |
| 20:48.31 | Tm_T | or link |
| 20:49.14 | hashman | ok, thanks |
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| 20:51.05 | Gombe | is there any good replacement for aRts? |
| 20:51.58 | ralf | Gombe: you could use alsa and no sound server at all |
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| 20:52.31 | Gombe | is there any hope to get sound in xserver in future? |
| 20:52.54 | ralf | eh?? |
| 20:53.01 | Gombe | IMHO X-server is the right place for sound |
| 20:53.06 | ralf | xserver is _graphics_ |
| 20:53.15 | Gombe | it is user interface |
| 20:53.19 | ralf | no |
| 20:53.27 | ralf | shell is user interface too |
| 20:53.39 | ralf | the kernel handles sound, with alsa |
| 20:53.53 | ralf | and when there was not alsa there were arts and esd |
| 20:53.56 | Gombe | doesn't the X server handle user inputs? |
| 20:54.08 | Gombe | keyboard events, ... |
| 20:54.11 | ralf | and so? |
| 20:55.03 | ralf | programs talk directly to the driver |
| 20:55.13 | ralf | no need to have an intermediate server |
| 20:55.28 | ralf | but programs can't write directly on the screen |
| 20:55.52 | ralf | since they will mess up all overwriting all the widgets |
| 20:56.13 | Gombe | thanks ralf |
| 20:56.25 | ralf | so the xserver handles windows, mouse pointer, to *what* window send the last key pressed |
| 20:56.28 | ralf | np |
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| 20:57.07 | ralf | you don't want all forms be sumbitted and all buttons presse every time you press <Enter> ;) |
| 20:57.26 | Gombe | got it :) |
| 20:57.36 | ralf | now, sandwich! |
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| 20:59.30 | Gombe | is there any convenient way to edit meta data of the files? |
| 20:59.41 | Gombe | (in Konqi) |
| 20:59.52 | alex323 | nano |
| 21:00.13 | Gombe | nano for meta data? |
| 21:00.24 | alex323 | why not? |
| 21:00.33 | Gombe | in Konqi I mean |
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| 21:01.39 | markey | right click, properties, meta info |
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| 21:01.45 | User_X | anyone here knows whats causing the bad behaviour of space key? |
| 21:02.43 | Gombe | markey, I can't edit meta info of many files that way, e.g. pdf |
| 21:03.12 | markey | Gombe: needs the appropriate KFileMetaInfo plugin |
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| 21:03.45 | Gombe | is there any sidebar for that? |
| 21:03.50 | markey | no |
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| 21:04.37 | Gombe | so I guess I have a wish for metabar. the current version doesn't have metaediting capabilities |
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| 21:06.04 | Gombe | I have a few wishes, is here the right place to express it or I should file a wish in the bugs.kde.org? |
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| 21:06.50 | Gombe | is it possible to edit texts in embeded text editor? |
| 21:07.02 | Gombe | (in konqi) |
| 21:07.24 | hashman | thanks all! |
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| 21:09.11 | markey | no |
| 21:09.29 | Gombe | Why not? ;) |
| 21:09.40 | markey | cause konq is meant for viewing only |
| 21:09.42 | markey | by design |
| 21:09.49 | markey | although it's sometimes unhandy |
| 21:10.48 | Gombe | I guess can make it better :D |
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| 21:14.06 | AaronCampbell | I can't seem to make KDE 3.3 use thunderbird as my default mail client (launch via launchmail) How can I do this? (I tried using the component chooser in control-center) |
| 21:14.59 | AaronCampbell | it keeps saying that evolution is not installed (which is true, it has never been installed), but I want to use thunderbird |
| 21:15.17 | User_X | try kde-3.4.0 |
| 21:15.22 | User_X | i remember those problems... |
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| 21:16.10 | AaronCampbell | User_X: I'm trying to do kickstart installs of Centos throughout the office...I'm not sure that upgrading KDE on everysingle one would work |
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| 21:17.07 | User_X | well here worked |
| 21:17.20 | User_X | or use default mail client |
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| 21:18.13 | AaronCampbell | yeah, I've got a LOT of systems to do. Maybe I'll do fedora rather than centos. Might make for more updating in the future, but would make it easier now |
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| 21:18.47 | User_X | in that field i advise you PCLinuxOS, a very handfull & great distro |
| 21:18.59 | User_X | and easy to install, very |
| 21:19.15 | Tm_T | fedora sucks |
| 21:19.26 | User_X | too damn much |
| 21:19.32 | AaronCampbell | Tm_T: to each their own |
| 21:19.50 | AaronCampbell | Tm_T: if it sucked so bad, not so many people would use it |
| 21:19.51 | User_X | at this moment PCLinuxOS is the best distro out there |
| 21:19.58 | User_X | and i was a mandrake defender |
| 21:20.15 | User_X | after i saw PCLinuxOs i chaged radically my opinion |
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| 21:20.21 | Gombe | is there any channel to talk about distros? |
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| 21:20.26 | Tm_T | AaronCampbell: I use it, I whonder why :/ |
| 21:20.32 | Tm_T | -h |
| 21:20.34 | Gombe | I really need to choose one |
| 21:20.44 | Tm_T | Gombe: Kubuntu ;) |
| 21:20.45 | lauri | #distribution-wars |
| 21:20.47 | Artimus | Can I change the colors of the KDE Pager? And for matter, the taskbar(as in, the boxes that tell me which apps I have open)? |
| 21:20.48 | User_X | u can read what i just said |
| 21:20.51 | Gombe | thanks |
| 21:20.56 | DexterF | lauri: not really? |
| 21:21.01 | AaronCampbell | Gombe: almost all distros have a channel, and there is always ##linux |
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| 21:21.13 | User_X | kubuntu also appears to be a cool distro but there some important buts left there |
| 21:21.39 | Tm_T | AaronCampbell: yeah, Fedora is actually surprisingly good, but not the best one |
| 21:21.46 | Tm_T | User_X: hmm, tell me |
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| 21:21.49 | lauri | well, if everyone I ever suggested went there |
| 21:21.56 | lauri | and stayed there |
| 21:22.00 | lauri | it'd be the biggest channel on freenode |
| 21:22.05 | DexterF | i'd prefer SuSE over Fedora |
| 21:22.11 | Wheet | i installed a dark color scheme for kde, when i open up a file folder, i cant see the filenames (its white on white) any suggestions? |
| 21:22.30 | User_X | well now there are the personal choices for what are the needs |
| 21:22.31 | DexterF | Wheet: control center. customize colors. |
| 21:22.36 | lauri | change the file manager text colour |
| 21:22.45 | User_X | but in a general view i really advise pclinuxos |
| 21:22.50 | lauri | kcontrol -> kde components -> file manager (They are independent of the colour scheme) |
| 21:23.01 | Tm_T | fiifoo, Conan -> |
| 21:23.24 | lauri | guys, this is #kde, please can we keep the distro cheerleading somewhere else (I really don't care where) |
| 21:23.50 | User_X | and pclinuxos gives the choise of a live cd with a great easy intall, no need to install in hd |
| 21:24.02 | User_X | lauriOF COURSE :) |
| 21:24.25 | *** mode/#kde [+o lauri] by ChanServ |
| 21:24.32 | lauri | see me waving my big stick at you? |
| 21:24.34 | Gombe | lauri, I don't know why the file manager background can't be configured in control center |
| 21:24.35 | AaronCampbell | lol... Tm_T...you need help: |
| 21:24.35 | AaronCampbell | Tm_T: fedora sucks |
| 21:24.35 | AaronCampbell | Tm_T: AaronCampbell: yeah, Fedora is actually surprisingly good |
| 21:24.45 | AaronCampbell | 1 minute apart! |
| 21:24.51 | User_X | ehehehe |
| 21:24.51 | lauri | Gombe: it can, I just told him where |
| 21:25.08 | User_X | now Tm_T is confused |
| 21:25.15 | lauri | next person to tell me how cool their distribution is, is a goner |
| 21:25.21 | Gombe | not the text color, teh background I mean |
| 21:25.34 | lauri | Gombe: it can, same place |
| 21:25.50 | User_X | there specific channels to talk about distros |
| 21:25.53 | lauri | ok, not anymore it can't, it's set by the colour scheme, unless you have a picture for a background |
| 21:26.29 | Gombe | I have 3.4 |
| 21:26.36 | Gombe | is it in 3.4.1? |
| 21:26.52 | User_X | go to 3.4.1 |
| 21:27.04 | lauri | he is talking about the *text* colour |
| 21:27.11 | lauri | the background colour changed with his colour scheme |
| 21:27.24 | User_X | yes |
| 21:27.32 | User_X | kcontrol->look&feel |
| 21:27.46 | User_X | or right click the desktop |
| 21:27.49 | lauri | the file manager *text* colour, is configurable where I said |
| 21:27.56 | User_X | why? |
| 21:28.11 | Gombe | lauri, yes, I know |
| 21:28.39 | Gombe | but I don't know why the background picture must be changed out of kcontrol |
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| 21:29.21 | User_X | lauri: how old are u |
| 21:29.30 | lauri | why? |
| 21:29.36 | User_X | just curious |
| 21:29.37 | Gombe | I hope that we can port the settings into kcontrol in future |
| 21:29.53 | User_X | port 113 would work fine |
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| 21:30.01 | lauri | everything doesn't have to be in kcontrol Gombe |
| 21:30.07 | lauri | User_X: old |
| 21:30.13 | User_X | i asked age |
| 21:30.14 | jcook | how do i make the fonts smaller in kmail? |
| 21:30.24 | User_X | click configure |
| 21:30.24 | jcook | in the msg preview frame? |
| 21:30.36 | User_X | and search, man its so easy |
| 21:30.44 | User_X | why u come here ask silly questions |
| 21:30.59 | Gombe | yep, but the settings for text color and background color should be in the same place, right? |
| 21:30.59 | User_X | jcook: ? |
| 21:31.09 | jcook | User_X: perhaps the problem is harder than you realise ... and maybe I haven't explained the whole situation |
| 21:31.13 | User_X | lauri: im waiting |
| 21:31.21 | lauri | User_X: and you're rude too |
| 21:31.26 | User_X | no im not |
| 21:31.29 | User_X | im a gentleman |
| 21:31.40 | lauri | it's none of your business, and I don't see why it's even of interest |
| 21:32.20 | jcook | User_X: OK so the "thing" I need to change is the "Message Body" font ... but ... |
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| 21:32.34 | User_X | ahhh |
| 21:32.46 | User_X | that part is still buggy |
| 21:32.58 | jcook | User_X: going below font size 6 does nothing and ... ctrl-scrolling wont go smaller either |
| 21:33.16 | lauri | good grief |
| 21:33.23 | lauri | you can't *see* fonts that small |
| 21:33.36 | jcook | lauri: how do you figure? |
| 21:33.44 | lauri | 6/72nds of an inch tall, that's 6pt |
| 21:33.53 | lauri | that's miniscule, unreadable |
| 21:33.59 | jcook | lauri: my DPI is 147 |
| 21:34.09 | User_X | lauri: im single |
| 21:34.15 | lauri | and pts are relative to inches |
| 21:34.27 | User_X | or meters |
| 21:34.29 | lauri | pts are not scaled, 6pt *is* 6/72nds of an inch tall, always, on paper, on screen |
| 21:34.41 | jcook | well .. .obviously its not 6 is not small enough if i want it smaller |
| 21:34.43 | lauri | User_X: gosh, what a surprise |
| 21:35.03 | User_X | eheheh |
| 21:35.12 | User_X | lauri: sorry but i have to go |
| 21:35.22 | Gombe | lauri, I guess my gcc4 is ok but it is blacklisted |
| 21:35.27 | dec0ding|bsy | libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libGL.la' |
| 21:35.52 | Gombe | do you have opengl, dec0ding? |
| 21:35.53 | User_X | lauri: camon dont be sad |
| 21:35.58 | lauri | jcook: I think you have X set up a litlte incorrectly |
| 21:36.03 | jcook | lauri: 6pt in a screen with a dpi=96 !== dpi=147 ... or 75 ... or 100 |
| 21:36.03 | dec0ding | Gombe: nope |
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| 21:36.08 | lampy | hi |
| 21:36.12 | lauri | User_X: you are on the verge of a ban, get out while you still can get back |
| 21:36.13 | lampy | where i can get qt devel ? |
| 21:36.19 | jcook | lauri: ??? |
| 21:36.19 | lauri | jcook: no, and that's why you shouldn't be setting the dpi directly |
| 21:36.28 | dec0ding | Gombe: slack cannot accelerate my card (no 3d acceleration, no GL) |
| 21:36.29 | User_X | lauri: why ur so flamed? |
| 21:36.38 | lauri | because that is not what the dpi of your screen actually is, if you do so |
| 21:36.44 | User_X | dont u play a litle, always serious? |
| 21:36.57 | lauri | (and in fact, yes, it doesn't matter what dpi your screen is, an inch is always an inch) |
| 21:37.18 | Gombe | you may need to find a way to get opengl |
| 21:37.20 | User_X | for example in my laptop i had to chenge to 96 dpi |
| 21:37.21 | *** mode/#kde [+q User_X!*@*] by lauri |
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| 21:37.37 | lauri | jcook: you should put hte X and Y dimensions of your screen in the monitor sectino of your X config, and let it work out the real dpi |
| 21:37.39 | Gombe | it seems like a problem with your distro |
| 21:37.47 | jcook | **BUSINESS 2** |
| 21:37.49 | dec0ding | Gombe: what ya mean? how to find a way except to make the driver working which resulted with failure 100 times |
| 21:37.52 | jcook | lauri: on the conrtrary ... for my Dell i8600 @1920x1200 ... ... I have set in the xfonfig ... "DisplaySize 331 207" |
| 21:37.57 | lauri | then the fonts will be scaled correctly, no matter what resolution you use |
| 21:38.13 | jcook | lauri: yes ... i know ... lovely isn't it |
| 21:38.36 | Gombe | do you have the apropriate driver? |
| 21:38.43 | Gombe | (perhaps not) |
| 21:38.50 | lauri | Gombe: you are really not making much sense :) |
| 21:39.01 | Gombe | :) ok |
| 21:39.02 | dec0ding | Gombe: vesa, can't use fglrx |
| 21:39.11 | dec0ding | lauri: he is talking to be |
| 21:39.12 | jcook | lauri: and when I rescale using krandr ... new apps will have the correct dpi ... if only everyrone could figure it out |
| 21:39.21 | lauri | ahh |
| 21:39.28 | lauri | jcook: ok, it's because xrandr doesn't reset the dpi at all |
| 21:39.28 | dec0ding | *me |
| 21:39.32 | jcook | lauri: anyway .... why cant I go below 6pt? |
| 21:39.33 | lampy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.42 | lauri | jcook: because normal people can't read fonts that small |
| 21:39.43 | lampy | when i try tyo compile a app says that |
| 21:39.45 | lampy | any help ? |
| 21:39.49 | lampy | i need qt devel ? |
| 21:39.50 | dec0ding | lampy: u recompiled Qt ? |
| 21:39.59 | dec0ding | yes you need |
| 21:40.09 | dec0ding | check if the qt-mt is in your $QTDIR/lib |
| 21:40.11 | jcook | lauri: ok ... let me ask the question another way ... |
| 21:40.13 | lauri | and most fonts are not hinted for that small, you'll need to use pixel fonts designed to go that small (And most of thsoe will only go down to 5pt) |
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| 21:40.21 | lauri | in fact, most of them are 7 |
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| 21:41.11 | jcook | lauri: why is it I can select "Bistream Vera Sans-Regular-5' in the font selection for kmail ... which show's the font at 5pt ... however the kmail preview frame will not go below 6? |
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| 21:41.28 | jcook | lauri: shit ... even 4pt is still readable |
| 21:41.33 | jcook | (with my glasses on) |
| 21:42.08 | Gombe | is gcc4 issue still there? |
| 21:42.15 | lauri | Gombe: yes |
| 21:42.24 | *** mode/#kde [-q User_X!*@*] by lauri |
| 21:42.31 | *** mode/#kde [-o lauri] by lauri |
| 21:42.35 | Gombe | fedora claims their gcc4 is ok |
| 21:42.44 | Gombe | I compiled kile with it |
| 21:43.24 | Gombe | I just removed the part of configure which blacklists gcc 4 0 0 |
| 21:43.54 | Gombe | it seems to be working. does it mean that it works? |
| 21:43.59 | lauri | please don't ask for any support in here when it crashes, and khtml fails to render pages, and all the other nice things you have just set yourself up for |
| 21:44.12 | lauri | no, it means you don't follow instructions |
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| 21:44.21 | lauri | it always compiled |
| 21:44.23 | lauri | it's just *broken* |
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| 21:44.46 | Gombe | is it just for 4.0.0 ? |
| 21:44.51 | DaBlade | hello |
| 21:45.09 | DaBlade | I have a K3b question |
| 21:45.12 | lauri | it's for anything the configure check failed on |
| 21:45.24 | Gombe | thanks |
| 21:45.29 | DaBlade | I've been burning an ISO, and it suddenly stopped. It says: |
| 21:45.54 | Tm_T | AaronCampbell: =) |
| 21:46.14 | DaBlade | Writing speed: 5678KB/s (4.10x) |
| 21:46.27 | DaBlade | :-( write failed: Input/output error |
| 21:46.38 | DaBlade | Flushing the cache may take some time. |
| 21:46.43 | DaBlade | Updating RMA... |
| 21:47.13 | DaBlade | And it just stands there...do I let it continue doing whatever it's doing, if it is doing anything or do I kill it, get a new DVDr and retry? |
| 21:47.57 | Gombe | lauri, what is the name of Alt+F2 dialog? where to find settings for it? |
| 21:48.41 | DaBlade | hello? anyone? |
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| 21:50.51 | Gombe | is there any settings for the Alt+F2 dialog? |
| 21:52.38 | jcurry | Gombe, no, not really |
| 21:52.52 | DaBlade | anyone? please |
| 21:52.58 | jcurry | Gombe, except for auto-completion...right click in the text box |
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| 21:53.16 | DaBlade | Incredible that a channel with so many people is so idle |
| 21:53.19 | jcurry | DaBlade, no idea, try #k3b |
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| 21:53.27 | DaBlade | I tried #k3b |
| 21:53.30 | DaBlade | they're all idle |
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| 21:53.43 | jcurry | DaBlade, did you try the forums/mailing list on the k3b site? |
| 21:53.48 | Gombe | for auto-completion I think it should be able to do a TAB completion |
| 21:53.54 | Gombe | like bash |
| 21:54.03 | jcurry | many people, i suspect, simply don't know the answer to your problem |
| 21:54.05 | Gombe | gnome's run command does it |
| 21:54.24 | jcurry | Gombe, i don't think kde has that option |
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| 21:54.48 | jcurry | DaBlade, you may also want to try ##linux or #yourdistro |
| 21:54.49 | DaBlade | no, but I need this answer now...I can't have K3b open forever |
| 21:55.20 | DaBlade | ah, what the hell...I'll take a chance, kill K3b and get a new disk.. |
| 21:55.25 | DaBlade | thanks anyway |
| 21:55.29 | jcurry | DaBlade, well, if it's not doing anything, kill it...but if it is, you shouldn't..i have no idea what rma is...search google |
| 21:55.41 | jcurry | DaBlade, sorry i couldn't help |
| 21:55.41 | DaBlade | ok, I will |
| 21:55.46 | DaBlade | no problem |
| 21:56.17 | DaBlade | at least someone replied. I understand a channel with 5 people being idle, but not so many people |
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| 21:57.25 | Gombe | Is there anyway to make the desktop icons confined to a user defined area? |
| 21:57.49 | jcurry | Gombe, just place them there? |
| 21:57.59 | Gombe | :) |
| 21:58.00 | jcurry | my icons don't drift by themselves |
| 21:58.10 | Gombe | mine do! |
| 21:58.33 | jcurry | really, search the bu db *first*, then file a bug |
| 21:58.38 | jcurry | bug db* |
| 21:58.52 | Gombe | OK, I'll do |
| 21:59.06 | Gombe | anyway I think desktop can be polished to provide a lot more functionality |
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| 21:59.27 | christi | is there a way to set some keyboard shortcuts that would generate a character in my non-english language? i have an us 101keys keyboard and i'm trying to type a document in my language.i'm using Fedora3 |
| 21:59.42 | jcurry | Gombe, if you have specific ideas, polish and back them up, then publish them |
| 21:59.44 | christi | and the kile editor |
| 22:00.05 | jcurry | Gombe, if they are art/design/usability related, t suggest the forums on kde-artists.org |
| 22:00.21 | jcurry | christi, which language? |
| 22:00.25 | christi | romanian |
| 22:00.28 | Gombe | I am actually a little artist, and I am going to publish them |
| 22:00.31 | jcurry | christi, oh |
| 22:00.36 | christi | it's a latin language |
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| 22:00.47 | christi | latin1 or latin2 i don't know exactly |
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| 22:01.01 | christi | i have the right fonts, but not the right keyboard |
| 22:01.02 | jcurry | christi, there is an systray app/program to switch keymaps |
| 22:01.22 | jcurry | but then you have to memorize what is where |
| 22:01.33 | christi | i know :( |
| 22:01.49 | jcurry | christi, you may also want to try the 'charcter selector' panle applet |
| 22:01.56 | jcurry | panel* |
| 22:01.59 | christi | it would take too long |
| 22:02.06 | jcurry | that is the best thing i can think of |
| 22:02.11 | christi | i'm already doing copy&paste |
| 22:02.22 | jcurry | hmmm, i see your problem |
| 22:02.24 | christi | from a line of the document that has all the specific chars |
| 22:02.36 | jcurry | but unfortunatly, i have no idea how to help you |
| 22:02.43 | jcurry | i'm not being very helpful today |
| 22:02.49 | christi | at least you tried |
| 22:02.55 | christi | and i appreciate that |
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| 22:03.41 | Gombe | jcurry, it seems that nobody is there in kde-artists channel |
| 22:04.04 | Gombe | should I file a wish? |
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| 22:05.12 | Diavolo | Hi |
| 22:05.18 | Diavolo | i have hidden an icon in the systray |
| 22:05.25 | Diavolo | now i have an arrow to show/hide that icon |
| 22:05.30 | Diavolo | can i disable that arrow? |
| 22:07.17 | Gombe | I cannot find where to set the settings for kdvi |
| 22:07.22 | Gombe | any idea? |
| 22:07.59 | jcurry | Gombe, ? |
| 22:08.10 | jcurry | Gombe, i meant kde-artists.org |
| 22:08.49 | jcurry | kdvi > settings > configure kdvi |
| 22:08.50 | Gombe | ok I'll go there. (I was in #kde-artists :D ) |
| 22:09.05 | Gombe | yep, but those aren't all the settings |
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| 22:09.12 | sysshock | Hi! |
| 22:09.14 | jcurry | Gombe, thats if you have usability/design suggestions |
| 22:09.24 | jcurry | Gombe, i don't know of any others |
| 22:09.37 | jcurry | Diavolo, what exactly does the arrow hide? |
| 22:09.41 | sysshock | Does someone know how to get the list of I/O slaves, that are available on my machine? |
| 22:09.47 | Gombe | there were some preferences in older versions |
| 22:09.53 | jcurry | Diavolo, the whole panel, or does it scroll the whole panel back and forth? |
| 22:10.01 | Gombe | e.g. anout pk-fonts |
| 22:10.09 | jcurry | sysshock, run kinfocenter, there is a module that lists them |
| 22:10.13 | Diavolo | jcurry: the arrow shows/hides the hidden icons |
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| 22:10.19 | jcurry | Gombe, no idea |
| 22:10.37 | jcurry | Diavolo, really? i didn't know that kde had that feature? |
| 22:10.42 | Diavolo | it has :) |
| 22:10.59 | jcurry | Diavolo, which version of kde are you using? are you using the normal kde systray applet? |
| 22:11.17 | Diavolo | yes, KDE 3.4.1 |
| 22:11.19 | sysshock | HEY, thanks man :) |
| 22:11.26 | alex323 | how do i generate .htaccess passwords from command line? |
| 22:11.38 | alex323 | htpasswd doesnt work :/ |
| 22:11.39 | jcurry | Diavolo, is that a new .1 feature? |
| 22:11.41 | Diavolo | jcurry: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2004/11/systray-icon-hiding-news-at-11.html |
| 22:11.43 | jcurry | sysshock, sure |
| 22:12.09 | jcurry | alex323, it doesn't work how? |
| 22:12.32 | alex323 | jcurry: i dont have it installed.. and i am not root |
| 22:12.41 | jcurry | 'and if you don't have any icons set to hide, you don't see the arrow. i rather like the arrow button though; it's even RTL aware. huzzah!' |
| 22:12.41 | sysshock | BTW, why isnt kinfocenter listed anywhere in the menus? I didn't even know this thing exist, and I have been using KDE for at least a year... |
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| 22:12.56 | jcurry | alex323, try google, search for htpasswd generator |
| 22:13.11 | alex323 | bah |
| 22:13.11 | jcurry | sysshock, no idea, maybe blame your distro? |
| 22:13.16 | alex323 | they can log those password you know! |
| 22:13.24 | sysshock | yeah, maybe... |
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| 22:13.42 | jcurry | alex323, save the webpage as a local file and disconnect from the internet |
| 22:13.57 | alex323 | err |
| 22:14.00 | jcurry | :) |
| 22:14.03 | Wheet | how do i get those desktop widgets that tell my system stats (monitoring widgets) embedded into the desktop? |
| 22:14.07 | alex323 | how would that stop them? |
| 22:14.14 | jcurry | Wheet, install superkaramba' |
| 22:14.20 | Wheet | ok |
| 22:14.25 | alex323 | jcurry: they can log it when you submit the form :/ |
| 22:14.38 | jcurry | alex323, well, if the file is lcoal, and you are not connected, how 'they' get your password? |
| 22:14.46 | alex323 | well |
| 22:14.48 | jcurry | alex323, *sigh* |
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| 22:15.04 | jcurry | alex323, it's probably done client-side, with javascript |
| 22:15.18 | alex323 | jcurry: if i use an online generator... they can log it *IF* i have to submit a form |
| 22:15.26 | jcurry | alex323, if you save it as a local file, no form is submitted |
| 22:15.38 | alex323 | then how will the server encrypt it? |
| 22:15.39 | jcurry | alex323, especially if it is done in javascript |
| 22:15.51 | Wheet | jcurry: should i install superkaramba as root? |
| 22:16.12 | jcurry | alex323, furthermore, if you are disconnected from the internet, it is physically impossible for them to find out your password |
| 22:16.33 | jcurry | Wheet, um, i don't know...depends on your distro...my distro installs all programs as root |
| 22:16.47 | jcurry | Wheet, always seemed like a good idea to me |
| 22:16.49 | alex323 | jcurry: *sigh* |
| 22:16.55 | jcurry | alex323, :0 |
| 22:16.57 | jcurry | :) |
| 22:17.19 | alex323 | jcurry: look.. if i use an ONLINE generator... the plaintext password is sent to the server.. it's encrypted.. and it's sent back! |
| 22:17.20 | jcurry | alex323, if you don't believe me, and think 'they' are out to get you, just install the htpasswd program |
| 22:17.37 | alex323 | UNLESS |
| 22:17.41 | alex323 | unless javascript is used |
| 22:17.45 | jcurry | alex323, not if it is client-side code done in javascript and you are disconnected! |
| 22:17.48 | alex323 | but if it's server side.. they can log it |
| 22:18.03 | jcurry | alex323, only an idiot would code a webpage that sends it back to the server |
| 22:18.12 | jcurry | and i know, ui code webpages |
| 22:18.19 | jcurry | and idiot, or a malicious logger |
| 22:18.34 | jcurry | so, if you want to be safe, just install htpasswd |
| 22:18.38 | alex323 | jcurry: first page in google: http://www.euronet.nl/~arnow/htpasswd/ |
| 22:19.09 | alex323 | jcurry: doesnt work.. connection refused |
| 22:19.22 | alex323 | jcurry: however.. it didnt use javascript |
| 22:19.23 | jcurry | alex323, they send it back to the server, find another page |
| 22:19.28 | alex323 | jcurry: http://www.flash.net/cgi-bin/pw.pl |
| 22:19.32 | alex323 | jcurry: javascript? no! |
| 22:19.38 | jcurry | they are idiots or malacious loggers |
| 22:19.57 | alex323 | jcurry: http://www.engr.sjsu.edu/daluu/scripts/htpasswd.php <-- no javascript! |
| 22:20.04 | jcurry | or you could download that perl script and run it locally |
| 22:20.09 | jcurry | after disconnecting, that is |
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| 22:20.26 | alex323 | jcurry: err.. i cant do that.. |
| 22:20.29 | sysshock | And one more thing: is there a generic way to configure IO slaves? |
| 22:20.35 | jcurry | fine! so do it yourself, like, download htpasswd |
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| 22:20.53 | alex323 | jcurry: how can i download that?! tell me |
| 22:20.55 | jcurry | sysshock, i don't believe kioslaves need to be configured |
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| 22:21.08 | jcurry | alex323, 'wget http://www.flash.net/cgi-bin/pw.pl' |
| 22:21.13 | alex323 | jcurry: when i download it.. it'll save HTML code.. not perl code.. as you should know.. perl is server side |
| 22:21.24 | jcurry | alex323, or you can tell me your password, and i'll tell you the hash :) |
| 22:21.25 | sysshock | Okay, I thought they can be configured. |
| 22:21.25 | Wheet | jcurry: karamba installs like old people fuck |
| 22:21.45 | alex323 | jcurry: hmm.. what's the first line i see when i nano pw.pl? "<html>" |
| 22:21.46 | jcurry | Wheet, make sure you get superkaramba, not plain ol' karamba |
| 22:21.56 | jcurry | alex323, ok. |
| 22:21.57 | Wheet | i think i have it |
| 22:22.17 | jcurry | alex323, fine...go and download the sources to htpasswd, and compile them yourself |
| 22:22.35 | Wheet | jcurry: its installed, *how do i find it* |
| 22:22.40 | Wheet | is it a part of control center? |
| 22:22.41 | jcurry | alex323, and, next time, ask in an appropriate channel, such as #apache |
| 22:22.52 | alex323 | oops |
| 22:22.55 | alex323 | thought this was ##linux |
| 22:22.56 | alex323 | oh well |
| 22:23.00 | jcurry | Wheet, you run 'superkaramba', and selected a .theme file |
| 22:23.05 | Wheet | ok |
| 22:23.05 | jcurry | alex323, oops |
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| 22:23.28 | jcurry | no kcontrol integration yet, kde 4.0 will have that and lots more |
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| 22:34.23 | lampy | hi |
| 22:34.34 | lampy | KDE development packages where i can get this ? |
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| 22:35.47 | lampy | any help |
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| 22:38.03 | b1rkoff | hi |
| 22:38.29 | b1rkoff | is there a full theme for my kde ? so i dont need to download each of the file |
| 22:38.37 | b1rkoff | is karamba good? |
| 22:39.28 | Wheet | :( |
| 22:39.29 | Wheet | X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8 |
| 22:39.29 | Wheet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.29 | Wheet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.29 | Wheet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.29 | Wheet | KCrash: Application 'superkaramba' crashing... |
| 22:39.46 | Wheet | everytime i try to install the desktop PC monitoring widgets |
| 22:39.49 | Wheet | that crap happens |
| 22:40.34 | b1rkoff | Wheet, how exaclty install a new theme in kde? ? |
| 22:41.07 | Wheet | um |
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| 22:41.11 | Wheet | i r kde n00b |
| 22:41.36 | johnny69 | Can someone explain to me please...kde uses it's OWN windowing system? (Kwin?) And NOT the x-windows version ? |
| 22:41.47 | johnny69 | IS that correct? |
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| 22:44.03 | johnny69 | Anyone home ? |
| 22:44.06 | jcurry | lampy, try developers.kde.org |
| 22:44.21 | jcurry | b1rkoff, check kde-look.org for great themes |
| 22:44.48 | jcurry | Wheet, no idea, i have that error appearing in my logs, but sk doesn't actually crash |
| 22:45.24 | jcurry | Wheet, try asking in #distro, or #xfree or #x.org, depending on which on you use |
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| 22:45.34 | b1rkoff | jcurry, i already download files there but how to use it to install it? |
| 22:45.57 | jcurry | johnny69, kde uses kwin, which works on top of x-windows...they are not the same type of program |
| 22:46.20 | jcurry | b1rkoff, control-center > appearance and themes > theme manager |
| 22:47.24 | b1rkoff | where do i have to put those files? |
| 22:47.38 | b1rkoff | and is there any docs or this? |
| 22:47.40 | jcurry | b1rkoff, anywhere, it doesn't matter |
| 22:47.50 | jcurry | b1rkoff, then just add them using the theme manager |
| 22:48.18 | b1rkoff | oic |
| 22:48.34 | b1rkoff | what type of files are they in kde-look? |
| 22:48.40 | jcurry | um, no idea |
| 22:48.54 | jcurry | they are under 'themes', not 'styles' |
| 22:48.57 | AaronCampbell | how can I make a program run when KDE starts? I know that if it's open it'll open again, but I put thunderbird in my systray, and it doesn't go back there when KDE starts |
| 22:49.16 | b1rkoff | i mean if its kde2+ is it only for kde 2x ? |
| 22:49.35 | b1rkoff | what if styles? |
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| 22:50.04 | CapNemo | Hello :) is it normal that artsd take 3% of the cpu all the time ? |
| 22:50.32 | pinotree | CapNemo: well, better than 20% idle on winzozz, right? ;) |
| 22:50.49 | CapNemo | oh yes ;) |
| 22:51.12 | lampy | checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 22:51.13 | lampy | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 22:51.13 | lampy | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 22:51.21 | lampy | why get that ? |
| 22:51.40 | pinotree | did you install kde headers and/or devel files? |
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| 22:52.30 | lampy | i think all is config i use xfce but kde is installed |
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| 22:53.33 | pinotree | lampy: search for a package named kdelibs-devel or something, install it and retry |
| 22:54.52 | lampy | ok |
| 22:56.54 | Wheet | whats the best system monitoring widget out there? |
| 22:57.05 | Wheet | (please dont say borealis) |
| 22:59.13 | StevenR_ | Wheet: depends what you want to monitor |
| 23:00.13 | lampy | kdelib is the same that kdelib-devel ? |
| 23:00.23 | StevenR_ | lampy: not quite |
| 23:00.52 | StevenR_ | lampy: kdelibs are libraries required to run kde, kdelibs-devel are files required to compile kde applications |
| 23:01.07 | lampy | i cant found kdelibs-devel |
| 23:01.28 | lampy | i have installed kde in my system |
| 23:01.33 | lampy | how i can check if its there ? |
| 23:01.53 | b1rkoff | how to use superkaramba ? is it a theme? |
| 23:02.24 | StevenR_ | lampy: what distro? |
| 23:02.30 | lampy | slackware |
| 23:02.38 | StevenR_ | b1rkoff: superkaramba is an application |
| 23:02.44 | lampy | a theme manager |
| 23:02.57 | b1rkoff | ic |
| 23:03.04 | StevenR_ | lampy: on slackware there are no -devel packages, they are part of the "normal" packages |
| 23:03.20 | StevenR_ | lampy: superkaramba isn't a theme manager |
| 23:03.29 | lampy | no ? |
| 23:03.32 | StevenR_ | no |
| 23:03.39 | lampy | ok |
| 23:03.44 | b1rkoff | i load the themes from superkaramba... right? download from kde-look first? |
| 23:03.57 | lampy | yep |
| 23:04.03 | StevenR_ | b1rkoff: yes...if they're called themes |
| 23:04.27 | b1rkoff | what if not themes? |
| 23:04.31 | b1rkoff | ? |
| 23:04.33 | StevenR_ | lampy: superkaramba is a wrapper for scripts |
| 23:04.38 | StevenR_ | plugins possibly |
| 23:06.50 | b1rkoff | how to do it |
| 23:07.44 | StevenR_ | i don't know, not used it for a long time, don't have it installed here |
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| 23:09.36 | b1rkoff | where are kde configuration for themes are installed ?? |
| 23:10.48 | dec0ding|bsy | b1rkoff: $KDEDIR/share/apps/kstyle/themes/ |
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| 23:14.25 | b1rkoff | dec0ding|bsy, if its written theme for debian , can i use it with my slackware? |
| 23:15.47 | b1rkoff | dec0ding|bsy, if its written theme for debian , can i use it with my slackware? |
| 23:15.53 | b1rkoff | , if its written theme for debian , can i use it with my slackware? |
| 23:16.00 | b1rkoff | ups sorry |
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| 23:17.48 | dsafda | I've got a problem with the kde panel |
| 23:17.55 | dsafda | I can set it as transparent.. |
| 23:18.12 | dsafda | but the square of any window it's gray.. |
| 23:18.19 | dsafda | not trasparent as the whole panel |
| 23:18.24 | dsafda | how can I do? |
| 23:19.08 | dsafda | the rectangle of any window open I can see in the panel it's not transparent.... |
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| 23:19.18 | SonicMind | hi all |
| 23:19.26 | SonicMind | how to make kde spalsh screen ? |
| 23:19.31 | SonicMind | splash |
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| 23:47.15 | dsafda | nothing |
| 23:47.16 | dsafda | -.- |
| 23:47.19 | dsafda | help me please |
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| 23:59.43 | DaveQB-work | hey which package supplies konqueror's abilty to access system:// and media:// etc |
