| 00:00.09 | ryanoe | If I take it out from storage and get Fedora Core 3 on it? |
| 00:00.25 | ryanoe | I'm trying to see what is more cost effective :) |
| 00:00.30 | HuntsMan | mmmm |
| 00:00.31 | HuntsMan | yep |
| 00:00.42 | ryanoe | Trying to get all of these hardware accessories for my current operating linux laptop to connect to my VCR |
| 00:00.42 | HuntsMan | but i don't know if Composite IN is supported on Linux |
| 00:00.48 | HuntsMan | maybe with the Nvidia propietary drivers |
| 00:00.53 | ryanoe | or an existing PC tower |
| 00:01.03 | ryanoe | Hunstman, good point so it may not be worth it |
| 00:01.13 | HuntsMan | try it |
| 00:01.18 | ryanoe | So I'd be using the bt848 driver to connect to /dev/linux on my existing laptop? |
| 00:01.31 | ryanoe | I'd prefer to add a few devices to my already working and highly configured Linux laptop |
| 00:01.38 | HuntsMan | yep |
| 00:01.49 | ryanoe | So what hardware do you suggest again? |
| 00:01.53 | ryanoe | 2 items? |
| 00:02.07 | HuntsMan | Cardbus USB 2.0 card |
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| 00:02.18 | ryanoe | Isn't there a firewire device for Linux that could capture Composite in, etc? |
| 00:02.18 | HuntsMan | your VCR has an USB connection? |
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| 00:02.27 | ryanoe | Huntsman, umm no *LOL* |
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| 00:02.41 | HuntsMan | ryanoe: with Firewire, you can capture directly from camcorders, using DV connection |
| 00:02.47 | HuntsMan | the quality is AMAZING |
| 00:02.48 | ryanoe | That's it? |
| 00:03.04 | ryanoe | Huntsman, I'd like to capture directly from VCRs as well |
| 00:03.09 | ryanoe | do you that could work? |
| 00:03.09 | HuntsMan | mm, then a USB Capture device :) |
| 00:03.17 | ryanoe | Not a Firewire one? |
| 00:03.32 | ryanoe | Since I already have a firewire connection and a USB 1.1 |
| 00:03.38 | HuntsMan | is more or less the same |
| 00:03.39 | Zxcvb | why won't kmix work correctly? |
| 00:03.40 | ryanoe | 1 device to order would be better than 2 :) |
| 00:03.43 | HuntsMan | than USB 2.0 |
| 00:04.11 | Zxcvb | whenever I try to run kmix, I get this Warning! kmix uses ALSA emulation instead of the native OSS API |
| 00:04.11 | Zxcvb | **************************************************************** |
| 00:04.12 | Zxcvb | kmix: relocation error: /usr/local/kde/lib/libkdeinit_kmix.so: symbol snd_mixer_selem_has_common_switch, version ALSA_0.9 not defined in file libasound.so.2 with link time reference |
| 00:04.12 | Zxcvb | ERROR: Communication problem with kmix, it probably crashed. |
| 00:04.15 | ryanoe | Rather than getting 1 device to upgrade my USB 1.1 to 2.0, then a 2nd device to connect from USB device to middle device then to VCR :) |
| 00:04.58 | HuntsMan | ryanoe: if you can get a Firewire Capture device fitting your needs, and supported under Linux, will be great :) |
| 00:05.11 | ryanoe | That would be nice! :) |
| 00:05.13 | ryanoe | any suggestions? |
| 00:05.29 | HuntsMan | i don't know any :* |
| 00:05.30 | HuntsMan | :( |
| 00:05.31 | Zxcvb | I need some way to force kmix to use OSS |
| 00:05.42 | vblanton | does anyone know why when I move my mouse and hold down a key on the keyboard my mouse flips out, jumps around the screen and presses the right/middle/left keys all over the place?.. It horrific! |
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| 00:07.37 | ryanoe | Huntsman |
| 00:07.40 | ryanoe | Do you have the alternative? |
| 00:07.54 | vblanton | guess no one knows.. |
| 00:08.05 | rat | can anyone tell me how i can move an program to the desktop so it can be the program icon like the aterm? |
| 00:08.08 | ryanoe | the Cardbus USB 2.0 card (Supported In Linux) along with this Video / Audio in device that is (compatible with Linux)? |
| 00:08.22 | StevenR | rat drag it from the menu? |
| 00:08.49 | HuntsMan | ryanoe: ALL Cardbus USB 2.0 cards are compatible with Linux, because they *should* follow the USB Standard |
| 00:08.58 | rat | Steve: what menu? |
| 00:08.59 | HuntsMan | but the Video Input device, no idea |
| 00:09.23 | ryanoe | Huntsman |
| 00:09.30 | ryanoe | StevenR |
| 00:09.32 | HuntsMan | ryanoe: you should look at linux-usb.org |
| 00:09.35 | ryanoe | That device you suggested? |
| 00:09.36 | ryanoe | oh okay |
| 00:09.43 | StevenR | rat the kde start menu |
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| 00:10.00 | ryanoe | http://www.pinnaclesys.com/ProductPage_n.asp?Product_ID=2123&Langue_ID=7 |
| 00:10.04 | ryanoe | StevenR, Paleo |
| 00:10.09 | ryanoe | is that compatible with linux? |
| 00:10.26 | rat | steve: its not in there when i installed it it went to /usr/local/bin/ |
| 00:10.43 | StevenR | rat then right click on desktop and make a new "link to application" |
| 00:11.07 | rat | steve: ok i see it now thanks |
| 00:11.11 | ryanoe | HuntsMan, so I'd connect the Audio out from the VCR to the laptop's audio in port? |
| 00:11.17 | ryanoe | Single 1/8" mini port? |
| 00:11.50 | HuntsMan | yep |
| 00:11.50 | ryanoe | So splice them |
| 00:11.50 | StevenR | ryanoe: i dunno if its compatable |
| 00:11.50 | ryanoe | Hmm |
| 00:11.50 | ryanoe | How can I tell? :) |
| 00:11.53 | ryanoe | E-mail them? |
| 00:11.59 | ryanoe | So I guess I need 2 devices here *LOL* |
| 00:12.03 | HuntsMan | Google :) |
| 00:12.12 | ryanoe | I know *LOL* |
| 00:12.14 | ryanoe | I would say |
| 00:12.16 | ryanoe | IRC :) |
| 00:12.19 | vblanton | #x.org |
| 00:12.23 | StevenR | ryanoe: check hardware compat lists and google and make menuconfig for a kernel |
| 00:12.24 | ryanoe | freenode.org :) |
| 00:12.29 | ryanoe | Gotcha |
| 00:12.29 | StevenR | module |
| 00:13.53 | ryanoe | StevenR |
| 00:13.57 | ryanoe | Just look in USB support? |
| 00:14.20 | ryanoe | Do I need "Video For Linux" support enabled? |
| 00:14.47 | ryanoe | BT848 Video For Linux support? |
| 00:16.01 | StevenR | i dont really know sorry |
| 00:16.10 | ryanoe | okay, well I have enough to go on for now :) |
| 00:16.11 | ryanoe | Thanks again |
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| 00:16.13 | ryanoe | all of you :) |
| 00:16.20 | ryanoe | StevenR, Huntsman and Paelo |
| 00:16.24 | ryanoe | Paleo :0 |
| 00:16.25 | ryanoe | Thanks! |
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| 00:40.25 | Davey | whats the proper way to get KDE running properly from CLI when theres no X started yet? |
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| 00:40.40 | Davey | Best I can do is xinit and then run kdesktop, but that leaves the stupid XWindows shit there |
| 00:41.08 | HuntsMan | Davey: put startkde into your .xinitrc |
| 00:41.13 | HuntsMan | then xinit o startx will start KDE |
| 00:41.29 | FuriousGeorge | isnt it "exec startkde" |
| 00:41.42 | HuntsMan | ehm yep :P |
| 00:41.56 | FuriousGeorge | hey davey: what distro do you use |
| 00:42.12 | Davey | FuriousGeorge: SuSE 9.2 |
| 00:42.18 | FuriousGeorge | anyone know why active borders gets screwed up after a bit |
| 00:42.28 | Davey | ah, there we go, I just init 3 and then init 5 again and it started KDM properly :) |
| 00:42.34 | FuriousGeorge | cant help you with that |
| 00:42.50 | FuriousGeorge | as for active border, up down is left right desktop change and vice a versa |
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| 02:20.07 | M | luna.sublimesp.net/~xxx/k3blog.txt |
| 02:20.11 | M | plase take a look |
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| 02:26.15 | NamShub | where can I configure the ogg quality of the audiocd:/ ? |
| 02:27.52 | HuntsMan | Control Center |
| 02:29.06 | HuntsMan | yep, Control Center -> Sound And Multimedia -> Audio CD |
| 02:31.00 | NamShub | cool, must have missed it. thanks |
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| 02:43.15 | FC-tooki | what are the sistem requirements of kde??? |
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| 02:47.00 | dstambou | hi |
| 02:47.05 | dstambou | does kscd handle digital audio? |
| 02:48.23 | dstambou | nm, looks like it does :0 |
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| 03:12.24 | Kortor | how do I change the way kdm looks? |
| 03:13.00 | thiago | in the KDE Control Centre |
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| 03:18.11 | Dhraakellian | these are not the bugs you're looking for |
| 03:18.13 | Dhraakellian | move along |
| 03:19.17 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: hehe |
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| 03:32.08 | Dhraakellian | oh, aseigo, "exactly one hand" is 31 |
| 03:32.12 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
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| 03:50.13 | Derkommissar | Hello |
| 03:50.31 | Derkommissar | Im trying to sync my palmone tre0 with kpilot |
| 03:50.37 | Derkommissar | for some reason is now working |
| 03:50.41 | Derkommissar | can anyone help me |
| 03:50.42 | Derkommissar | ? |
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| 03:54.26 | sarah03 | Ack. |
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| 07:15.09 | grepper | hello anders|rev |
| 07:16.09 | scrooge | hi sredna |
| 07:16.10 | scrooge | lol |
| 07:16.45 | sredna | :) |
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| 07:23.02 | Flendor | Hello sredna, PieD,canllaith :) |
| 07:23.06 | canllaith | Ullo ullo |
| 07:23.11 | sredna | Good morning |
| 07:23.16 | PieD | hello |
| 07:23.19 | Flendor | :D |
| 07:23.37 | Flendor | How's everyone? |
| 07:24.05 | sredna | Fine thank you, how are you yourself? |
| 07:24.32 | canllaith | :) |
| 07:24.37 | Flendor | Pretty fine..Woke up, had a breakfast of cucumber and tomatoes (been doing that for a week, it DID make me feel better :) ) |
| 07:24.55 | Flendor | Now I'm going to get dressed up and go to university, for my German class. |
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| 07:31.20 | sredna | Mowe, maybe? |
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| 07:33.43 | scrooge | heh |
| 07:34.21 | Flendor | I'm enjoying it.. We have a teacherin who came from Germany (daughter of Turks who lived there) |
| 07:34.51 | scrooge | smells no breathes |
| 07:34.57 | Flendor | True, true. |
| 07:35.22 | scrooge | :P |
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| 07:38.40 | sredna | The fan on the PSU of this shit old box gor stuck :( |
| 07:39.43 | Flendor | Damn :/ |
| 07:39.51 | Flendor | I gotta go..See you. |
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| 07:56.45 | Alfred1881 | what is the function of Basket in kde 3.4 |
| 07:57.21 | Alfred1881 | hey al |
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| 08:23.40 | Foske | bah.. compiling kde 3.4 is a hell... |
| 08:23.52 | Foske | kcookiesmanagementdlg_ui.cpp:187: error: no matching function for call to `QWhatsThis::add(KListViewSearchLine*&, const QString&)' |
| 08:23.52 | Foske | /home/josh/kde3.4/include/qwhatsthis.h:63: note: candidates are: static void QWhatsThis::add(QWidget*, const QString&) |
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| 08:36.07 | dv_ | ih |
| 08:36.08 | dv_ | hi |
| 08:36.18 | Foske | bah... no kde 3.4 for me |
| 08:37.31 | sredna | Foske: What are your trying to do? |
| 08:38.20 | sredna | Foske: And why not use packages provided by your OS vendor? |
| 08:38.32 | Foske | sredna: compile kde 3.4 via konstruct with gcc 4.0 RC 1 on Mandrake 10.1 |
| 08:39.07 | sredna | Foske: I'm not sure gcc 4 is supported yet. Try with gcc 3.4 |
| 08:39.42 | sredna | ... or find a OS that provides software updates :o |
| 08:39.43 | dv_ | i have a question about kdevelop |
| 08:40.08 | Foske | yeah, got to wait a few more weeks then |
| 08:40.12 | dv_ | http://www.kdevelop.org/doc/technotes/rubyrad1.png <- there are tabs with the filenames "qrb1.rb" and "mainbase.ui" |
| 08:40.26 | dv_ | at the right side of the tab bar there is a button to close the documents |
| 08:40.38 | dv_ | this is not a normal tabbar. how is this widget called in KDE? |
| 08:40.57 | Foske | was testing gcc 4:) |
| 08:43.50 | sredna | dv_: It's common in KDE, konqueror is using it as well |
| 08:46.10 | sredna | http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/cvs-api/kdeui/html/classKTabBar.html |
| 08:50.05 | _jb | this could take less time. |
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| 08:57.36 | sredna | _jb: What, and than what? |
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| 08:59.35 | _jb | upgrading from source of KDE 3.3.2 to 3.4 |
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| 09:02.26 | dv_ | sredna, is there an equivalent for qt? |
| 09:02.35 | dv_ | i need this functionality for a qt app |
| 09:02.43 | dv_ | but i cant use kde wigets |
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| 09:15.22 | slayerbob | does anyone know how to make knode not insist on starting both my default browser and netscape when i click on links in usenet posts ? |
| 09:15.42 | canllaith | oh, you have vanished back down there slayerbob :) |
| 09:15.56 | slayerbob | well the seat is more comfortable down here |
| 09:16.04 | slayerbob | and you all seemed to be doing your own thing :P |
| 09:17.30 | grepper | slayerbob: knode's setting for browser is ok ? |
| 09:18.16 | slayerbob | it has a setting for browser ? |
| 09:18.23 | slayerbob | i cannot find one anywhere... |
| 09:18.59 | slayerbob | ah i see |
| 09:19.06 | slayerbob | yes it is set to open links with the default browser |
| 09:19.15 | slayerbob | and yet it insists on using both the default *and* netscape |
| 09:19.32 | slayerbob | i did not even know i had netscape installed until i tried clicking on links in knode |
| 09:22.46 | scrooge | lol |
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| 09:26.21 | slayerbob | hmmm interesting... if i set it forcibly to firefox it no longer loads netscape as well |
| 09:26.24 | slayerbob | ty grepper :) |
| 09:26.39 | sredna | Shouldn't knode rely on KRun to open URLs? |
| 09:26.48 | slayerbob | you would think so |
| 09:26.53 | slayerbob | but apparently it does not |
| 09:27.03 | sredna | How silly... |
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| 09:45.04 | we2by | when installing kde from rpm's. can I just do rpm -Uvh *rpm ? |
| 09:45.15 | we2by | or do I still need to install certain packages first? |
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| 09:46.58 | NullAcht15 | we2by: I think you need to install first arts, then kdelibs, then the rest |
| 09:49.14 | dv_ | speaking of arts |
| 09:49.25 | dv_ | i do have a weird error here |
| 09:49.34 | dv_ | if artsd is started, it blocks sound |
| 09:49.44 | dv_ | meaning that KDE programs can use sound, |
| 09:49.51 | dv_ | but, for example, madplay or mplayer cannot |
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| 09:50.10 | dv_ | so i have to kill artsd first before using these programs |
| 09:50.29 | Vorik | Hi all! I've got a question: Sometimes, i've got to dial into my work network through ISDN. Everytime, i've got a different password. Is there something nifty (graphical) where I can configure such a connection and start it when it is needed? |
| 09:50.51 | dv_ | (i have an AC97 sound chip, the driver does not allow several sounds to be played simultaneously) |
| 09:51.04 | sarah03 | dv_: That's to be expected; the easiest workaround is 'artsdsp madplay ...' or 'artsdsp mplayer ...', etc. If I'm not mistaken, mplayer also has an arts output plugin. |
| 09:51.28 | dv_ | and what about games like ut2004 or doom 3? |
| 09:51.35 | dv_ | can I use artsdsp with these too? |
| 09:51.36 | sredna | dv_: You need to tell those programs to use a arts device (most can) |
| 09:51.42 | sarah03 | In the case of mplayer, 'mplayer -ao arts ...' |
| 09:52.07 | dv_ | i guess there is an arts plugin for xmms too |
| 09:52.20 | PieD | xmms is useless |
| 09:52.30 | PieD | amarok is the best ! |
| 09:53.06 | dv_ | can I minimize amarok to be just a bar, like xmms? |
| 09:53.10 | sarah03 | Never played either. I wouldn't be suprised if they are capable of output to arts; if not, 'artsdsp -m [game]' will, in theory, do the trick. Since I've got an sblive here, though... I've never had the reason to use artsdsp or such. |
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| 09:53.41 | dv_ | i wonder why the alsa guys didn't include a software mixing fallback |
| 09:53.53 | dv_ | it is not that cpu intensive |
| 09:54.14 | dv_ | considering that it was possible to mix 32 channels at 44 khz on 50mhz-486 cpu |
| 09:54.23 | we2by | I allready have 3.3 installed. doing rpm -Uvh will update it? |
| 09:54.30 | we2by | or should I remove kde 3.3 myself? |
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| 09:54.55 | sarah03 | dv_: Probably because they're of the opinion that it's not the driver's duty to mix audio. |
| 09:55.49 | sredna | we2by: You should really ask in #<yourdistro> |
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| 10:09.46 | Goliath24 | hi |
| 10:10.12 | scrooge | hi |
| 10:10.51 | Goliath24 | is there a way to do a better firefox-integration for kde3.4? If I open firefox for the second time then the busy-cursor doesn't work. It stays, even if the second firefox-window was opened |
| 10:10.55 | Goliath24 | same with thunderbird |
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| 10:12.15 | sredna | Disable the startup notifications for those apps, they don't support it |
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| 10:19.21 | chx_ | where does KMail stores its settings? |
| 10:20.34 | Goliath24 | sredna: how do I do that?# |
| 10:20.49 | sredna | Goliath24: Edit the .desktop files |
| 10:20.57 | Goliath24 | by hand? |
| 10:21.03 | sredna | You can use kmenuedit |
| 10:21.15 | sredna | Or the properties dialog I believe |
| 10:21.19 | Goliath24 | sredna: Its in the quick-launch-bar |
| 10:21.40 | sredna | Use the properties dialog |
| 10:21.58 | Goliath24 | I see |
| 10:22.29 | sredna | chx_: All kde applications have their config files in KDEHOME/share/config, where KDEHOME is likely ~/.kde |
| 10:22.41 | sredna | chx_: Kmails file is KDEHOME/share/config/kmailrc |
| 10:23.36 | sredna | chx_: Additional configuration data might be in other files in that directory, on in the applications data directory which is KDEHOME/share/apps/<appname> |
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| 10:34.16 | aton` | hi, how can i autostart a program once kde starts (using kdm) |
| 10:34.18 | aton` | ?? |
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| 10:38.01 | chx_ | sredna: thanks. I'd my kdewallet ,too |
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| 10:38.44 | leafw | Hi. Did anyone succeed in connection to an airport base station using the kwifimanager? |
| 10:38.45 | chx_ | sredna: I installed another distro, 'cos my main HDD's system partition died. bad sectors :( |
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| 10:43.32 | sredna | chx_: Auch, I hope you get your files repaired :) |
| 10:43.38 | sredna | Hi canllaith again :) |
| 10:43.39 | chx_ | sredna: nothing is lost |
| 10:43.48 | sredna | Good :) |
| 10:43.50 | chx_ | sredna: i have ample backup |
| 10:43.56 | canllaith | Heya sredna :) |
| 10:44.04 | chx_ | sredna: just I do not know where in the backup are my ftp passwords... |
| 10:44.21 | chx_ | sredna: i mean, I know they were in the wallet. but which file is the wallet? |
| 10:44.58 | sredna | chx_: The wallet is KDEHOME/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl pr default |
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| 10:45.45 | chx_ | sredna: May I have more than wallet? |
| 10:45.53 | chx_ | more than one wallet |
| 10:45.57 | chx_ | I type too fast |
| 10:46.29 | sredna | Yes, that is possible |
| 10:46.35 | chx_ | cool! |
| 10:46.40 | chx_ | how? :) |
| 10:47.12 | sredna | If you start the kwalletmanager program, it has 'file->New Wallet' |
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| 10:49.28 | chx_ | It's amazing how fast one can recover from a total system meltdown |
| 10:49.32 | chx_ | with windows, it's a week |
| 10:49.55 | sredna | *nix rocks :) |
| 10:50.07 | chx_ | Linux? Hm, one and a half hours.... but that's just because I was trying to boot from a USB HDD first, and Kubuntu was not a partner in that |
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| 10:51.27 | sredna | ROFL, it's fun beeing a dane... another translation back to en: '<kopete contact> has now dissapeared' |
| 10:51.38 | SchopfeR | hello |
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| 10:54.06 | sredna | Hm, my timeout must be too short, or ksirc is b0rk3d in soem way |
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| 10:56.17 | lippel | sredna: i felt that it got better when i switched to konversation |
| 10:56.24 | lippel | less timeouts |
| 10:56.43 | sredna | But konversation isn't really a competitor yet |
| 10:57.03 | lippel | for my needs, it is :) |
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| 11:05.54 | MrGrim | would anyone here know where to find a document that details the incremental changes in the x86 architecture since the 8086? (or even just the 80386) i.e. an ix86 changelog including new instructions and logic? |
| 11:07.11 | _chris | @ MrGrim , :-( |
| 11:08.12 | MrGrim | ? |
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| 11:14.32 | smhar | in kde, all arabic text is displayed in some dewani font.. I want I more readable one. where to change this? |
| 11:16.14 | sredna | smhar: You can use the font installer (fonts:/) to install new fonts, and the kde control center to select the fonts for the ui |
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| 11:17.59 | smhar | sredna, other fonts are already installed and the kde control center seem to change only the english fonts |
| 11:18.05 | srichter | hello everyone,I have a sony VAIO, and when I start KDE 3.4 I suddenly loose the sonypi keyboard events |
| 11:18.08 | srichter | what happened? |
| 11:18.28 | sredna | smhar: Then I dont' know, sorry |
| 11:18.56 | srichter | I saw in the Laptop Battery/Sony Laptop Config that if I want to use sonypid, I should not enable any of the settings there |
| 11:19.12 | srichter | I have them disabled |
| 11:19.30 | srichter | However, when testing things, I might have enabled them temporarly... |
| 11:19.38 | srichter | can I recover from this somehow? |
| 11:19.45 | srichter | <over> |
| 11:23.40 | leafw | anyone using kwifimanager? |
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| 11:24.08 | leafw | I can't make it use an encryption key; no matter what I configure, it reports "encryption: off" |
| 11:24.48 | nexu | what does enable-final flag? |
| 11:25.12 | nexu | is it for compiling speedup at the cost of heavy mem usage during runtime ? |
| 11:25.39 | MrGrim | nexu: yup |
| 11:25.41 | MrGrim | no |
| 11:25.46 | MrGrim | heavy mem usage during compile |
| 11:25.51 | MrGrim | to speed up the compile |
| 11:25.54 | nexu | ok |
| 11:26.04 | MrGrim | won't do much good if you have a small amount of ram tho I don't think |
| 11:26.08 | MrGrim | since it'll just swap |
| 11:26.15 | MrGrim | unfortunately I have no idea how much ram it requires |
| 11:26.27 | nexu | 512mb |
| 11:26.31 | nexu | should be enuf i think ? |
| 11:26.46 | MrGrim | try it and see :) |
| 11:28.33 | Vorik | Hi all! I've got a question: Sometimes, i've got to dial into my work network through ISDN. Everytime, i've got a different password. Is there something nifty (graphical) where I can configure such a connection and start it when it is needed? |
| 11:29.35 | MrGrim | Vorik: I'm sure there is, check www.freshmeat.net |
| 11:29.39 | MrGrim | search for isdn and see what you find |
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| 11:32.20 | Vorik | yes, i've tried some apps.. but i cant get any of them to work... |
| 11:33.35 | canllaith | Is there anyone in here right now who uses the kde-redhat yum/apt repo ? |
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| 11:47.35 | chx_ | i have two soundcards (one MB, one PCI) and I'd like to get KDE to use the second. lsmod shows snd_cs46xx so that's OK |
| 11:49.39 | smhar | apearance/fonts in kde contro center allows the change of fonts for the desktop, taskbar..etc but since my system is english but I can display an write in arabic as well there must be somewhere to change the arabic fonts prefrences |
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| 12:13.48 | leafw | has anyone used the kwifimanager with an aiport card in a powerpc ? |
| 12:14.24 | Julianyus | hi |
| 12:14.47 | StarScream | leafw: yeh |
| 12:14.47 | StarScream | leafw: but under ubuntu it doesn't seem to work |
| 12:14.55 | StarScream | leafw: works under ydl though |
| 12:16.51 | leafw | StarScream : ok, I thought I was crazy or something. I was testing kubuntu livecd for powerpc and couldn't get the encryption key to be 'on' |
| 12:17.32 | leafw | it's a pitty because kubuntu seems to work so well (so far) |
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| 12:25.07 | StarScream | leafw: yeh i know, i love it |
| 12:25.22 | StarScream | leafw: it has a few bugs which are quite annoying though |
| 12:25.32 | StarScream | i.e on my ibook it can't sleep properlyl |
| 12:25.41 | leafw | StarScream : did you experience any of them ? |
| 12:25.42 | StarScream | and the whole wi-fi thing |
| 12:25.50 | StarScream | yeh those two :) |
| 12:25.55 | leafw | hum ... the powerbook sleeps at the touch of the power button. |
| 12:26.06 | StarScream | leafw: yeh its an ibook only bug i think |
| 12:26.11 | leafw | ok |
| 12:26.11 | canllaith | As far as I'm aware those sleep patches are only for powerbooks |
| 12:26.22 | leafw | so I'm left with at least the wifi bug |
| 12:26.37 | StarScream | leafw: well wifi still works, |
| 12:26.44 | StarScream | you just have to do it from the CLI |
| 12:26.45 | leafw | StarScream : how ? |
| 12:26.48 | StarScream | the gnome one works |
| 12:26.58 | StarScream | gnome-network-config or what ever |
| 12:27.02 | leafw | I tried to use the cardctl but didn't make it |
| 12:27.10 | StarScream | cardctl? |
| 12:27.20 | StarScream | i just use iwconfig to set my essid etc.. |
| 12:27.26 | leafw | under /etc/pcmia/ |
| 12:27.35 | leafw | iwconfig? Ok, let me write it donw |
| 12:27.44 | leafw | I'm used to one-click macosx instant wifi |
| 12:27.57 | leafw | that's what I'd like to have too, hopefully after the initial configuration. |
| 12:28.18 | StarScream | leafw: well gnome works under ubuntu if you want that :) |
| 12:28.53 | StarScream | i haven't been bothered raising a bug report for it, but feel free to do so |
| 12:28.58 | StarScream | kwifi is kinda cool |
| 12:29.02 | leafw | StarScream: over the last 2 years I've had terrible experiences with gnome and not really a lot with kde |
| 12:29.29 | StarScream | leafw: well i use kde too, but ubuntu started out as a gnome distro...and kde support isn't really mature yet |
| 12:29.32 | leafw | it's hard to imagine who would buy a powerbook to install ubuntu in it -macosx is enticing to say the least. |
| 12:29.49 | StarScream | leafw: well i don't use osx, i don't like it personally |
| 12:29.56 | StarScream | leafw: so each to their own really |
| 12:30.09 | leafw | neither do I, and so may others think or the powerpc project would not be there |
| 12:30.16 | StarScream | but apple do make the best laptops :) |
| 12:30.18 | leafw | right. |
| 12:30.22 | leafw | that for sure xD |
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| 12:33.09 | StarScream | leafw: anyways, yeh iwconfig followed by /sbin/dhcp eth1 works for me |
| 12:33.25 | chx_ | I have installed two keyboard layouts, but switching between them... does not seem to work. |
| 12:33.42 | leafw | StarScream : I will deifnitely try so |
| 12:33.45 | chx_ | with mouse, I can change, but not with keyboard |
| 12:33.47 | leafw | I'm reading up docs |
| 12:34.10 | leafw | what's the best keyboard arrangements for the mouse buttons emulation |
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| 12:34.30 | StarScream | leafw: well i've just got mine exactly how it was in OSX coz that generally works |
| 12:34.38 | leafw | I tried all that come with the kde keyboard layout options but each one had a particular flaw, or so it seems. |
| 12:35.45 | StarScream | leafw: yeh i just set it myself :) |
| 12:36.03 | StarScream | leafw: i don't think they have a setup that works for laptops by default |
| 12:36.10 | StarScream | well not mac laptops |
| 12:36.33 | leafw | StarScream : I have never attempted to do so. How can it be done? Which is the (xml?) file that controls the keyboard layout ? |
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| 12:40.15 | StarScream | leafw: trying to find link now |
| 12:40.23 | leafw | thank you. |
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| 12:42.03 | uludag | slm |
| 12:42.06 | uludag | caneal |
| 12:43.08 | StarScream | leafw: http://www.sharplabs.com:8668/space/Configuring+YDL/Mouse+button+emulation |
| 12:43.21 | StarScream | leafw: it takes AGES to load |
| 12:43.46 | leafw | I am of the patient kind |
| 12:43.49 | leafw | thank you for the link |
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| 12:44.11 | leafw | I can see it's for yellowdog. Hopefully it's fine with every other linux distro |
| 12:44.50 | leafw | by the way have you used mac on linux? I am interested in running Adobe Illustrator for instance, and I wonder how well can it perform |
| 12:45.21 | StevenR | canllaith: woo gliders :) |
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| 12:46.01 | StarScream | leafw: nah, i don't use any apps like that sorry...hence why i use linux. |
| 12:46.18 | StarScream | leafw: i basically booted up OSX and just loaded X11 for all my apps |
| 12:46.30 | leafw | ok. I need vector graphics and inkscape is not up to the job |
| 12:46.38 | StarScream | which for me was silly, coz i could get rid of osx, put kde on and get a faster box :) |
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| 12:47.25 | StevenR | leafw: what about sodipodi or karbon14? |
| 12:47.28 | StarScream | leafw: you may be better using osx then. Just out of curiosity what vector stuff can't you do in inkscape...as our designer has just switched from illustrator to inkscape |
| 12:48.12 | leafw | well, have you tried to import inkscape .svg to Blender? They don't get properly parsed. |
| 12:48.19 | leafw | no problem from illustrator. |
| 12:48.35 | leafw | StevenR : I don't know karbon14, I'll find out. |
| 12:48.46 | leafw | also, inkscape is *hell* to compile |
| 12:49.06 | leafw | so far I only succeded in running 0.38, which lacks several nice features of 0.41 such as autotrace |
| 12:49.12 | StarScream | leafw: you may want to talk to the developers of both apps there.. i think that either one or the other will probably tell you they are following standards to the letter |
| 12:49.18 | StevenR | leafw: sodipodi is easy to compile |
| 12:49.20 | leafw | and inkscape gradients need a lot of work. |
| 12:49.38 | leafw | StevenR : true, but lacks many features too. |
| 12:49.47 | StevenR | leafw: like what? |
| 12:49.58 | StarScream | afaik inkscape was just a fork of sodipodi |
| 12:50.05 | leafw | StevenR : something silly like spraying objects -is so useful. |
| 12:50.16 | leafw | I've been involved with inkscape development |
| 12:50.24 | leafw | I helped to make it compile under osx |
| 12:50.30 | leafw | with XDarwin |
| 12:50.31 | StevenR | leafw: i see...sodipodi fits my icons design work needs thus far, so its good for me |
| 12:50.56 | leafw | inkscape is so much faster and has a better gui, but it is not usable to me how it is now. |
| 12:51.35 | StarScream | leafw: i'd stick with OSX for now since it seems to do the job for you, and maybe talk to the devs about your issues |
| 12:51.53 | leafw | StevenR : sodipodi and inkscape both miss lots of features in creating objects that make my life so much easy in designing biology-related stuff like embryo models |
| 12:51.58 | StarScream | see if you can help resolve them so that later on if you find you use more x11 apps you can change |
| 12:52.19 | leafw | StarScream : the only thing keeping me in osx is illustrator. |
| 12:52.21 | StevenR | leafw: fair enough, its your work and your choice :) |
| 12:52.40 | canllaith | StevenR: heh. At least I wasn't sick this time. |
| 12:53.02 | StevenR | canllaith: that 1st pic in ur blog, is that u in the glider? |
| 12:53.02 | StarScream | well yeh...unfortunately there isn't much you can do....see if you have an x86 machine you could run illustrator under cxoffice like our designer was |
| 12:53.06 | canllaith | Yes |
| 12:53.19 | leafw | StevenR : rigth. And inkscape people can't be asked impossibles. Most of the compiling problems have to do with them borrowing from so many different libraries, the latest (and broken) version of which is the required one ... and so on. |
| 12:53.40 | leafw | cxoffice ? Never heard of |
| 12:54.08 | StarScream | leafw: crossover office...its basically a commercial version of wine which makes it easy to install windows apps |
| 12:54.09 | canllaith | It's a commercial implementation of Wine. |
| 12:54.17 | leafw | ok, thank you. |
| 12:54.32 | leafw | latest I know from wine itself is that photoshop runs but not illustrator (sigh) |
| 12:54.36 | StevenR | canllaith: flying lots of fun :) |
| 12:54.42 | StarScream | leafw: nah illustrator runs :) |
| 12:54.48 | canllaith | StevenR: yup yup, I'm certainly starting to get pretty interested |
| 12:55.01 | StevenR | canllaith: easy to get hooked :) |
| 12:55.19 | leafw | StarScream : well, not under mandrake 9.2, or 10.1, or FreeBSD 5.3. Haven't tried others. |
| 12:55.20 | canllaith | I'm mostly interested in learning not to immediately feel sick as soon as I try to focus my camera on something |
| 12:55.25 | canllaith | Photography is a *big* passion of mine...... |
| 12:55.29 | slayerbob | heh |
| 12:55.39 | leafw | StarScream : does it work for you under YDL ? |
| 12:55.44 | StevenR | canllaith: i never felt sick when flying...guess im just lucky |
| 12:56.23 | StarScream | leafw: you can't use it under PPC because its implementing the windows API...hence x86 instruction set |
| 12:56.34 | StarScream | leafw: i'm on my slackware box atm |
| 12:56.42 | leafw | StarScream : damm it xD |
| 12:57.37 | StarScream | leafw: see this is my main gripe with apple. if they had just built aqua/osx thingy UNDER x11 then we could use both without having a slow POS for a desktop |
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| 12:59.30 | leafw | StarScream : then they wound't be selling hardware at all, and wound have to make an amazing number of drivers for all the x86-related hardware, and won't have the ability to focus on a few and make them their way ... whatever |
| 12:59.43 | leafw | StarScream : the initial macosx 10.0 server was for x86 |
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| 13:00.40 | leafw | cxweavers says illustrator is "untested". Just for the record. |
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| 13:17.23 | brewer | when kde 3.4 is complete do i have to install all files seperatly and will the upgrade from 3.2 be ok with no conficts? |
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| 13:22.31 | StarScream | leafw: nah i didn't mean that...i just meant compile aqua etc.. as a lib ontop of X |
| 13:22.50 | StarScream | leafw: i didn't say anything about x86 |
| 13:23.11 | StarScream | apple have their own x11 server based on xfree86 |
| 13:24.56 | Frost^ | I thought apple had everything embedded into everything |
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| 13:25.57 | [illusia] | hello all! |
| 13:27.32 | [illusia] | somebody is alive? |
| 13:27.35 | [illusia] | :) |
| 13:28.16 | [illusia] | How to use REAL TRANSPARENCY in kde-3.4 |
| 13:28.32 | [illusia] | without transset |
| 13:28.48 | canllaith | Read the faq |
| 13:28.58 | canllaith | That is in the topic as you come in. It's under 'miscellaneous questions' I believe. |
| 13:29.24 | [illusia] | i don`t find it in FAQ |
| 13:29.31 | canllaith | It is there. |
| 13:30.08 | canllaith | http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/misc.html#id2978375 |
| 13:30.08 | [illusia] | about extensions i know |
| 13:30.11 | canllaith | If you have this working |
| 13:30.36 | [illusia] | all work with xcompmgr and transset |
| 13:30.47 | canllaith | It's under Kcontrol -> Desktop -> Window Behaviour -> Translucency |
| 13:30.57 | [illusia] | hm |
| 13:32.01 | [illusia] | i try thanks |
| 13:32.30 | [illusia] | thx canllaith i found it :) |
| 13:34.02 | scrooge | cha |
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| 13:41.59 | TheTransporter | can somebody help me completely remove KDE, all its components and stop it from being the default window manager in debian 3.0? |
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| 13:46.48 | OhMyAchinLap | thats a question for #debian |
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| 13:53.05 | scrooge | lol |
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| 14:28.55 | Oleg_ | thiago: hi. I wanna enable subtitles for my movie. I should download the corresponding srt file for that? |
| 14:29.22 | Oleg_ | thiago: it's just that I didn't find the corresponding srt yet |
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| 14:48.29 | brewer | hey guy just completed download of kde3.4 all rpm files do i have to install each one by one |
| 14:52.20 | annma | depends of your distro |
| 14:52.29 | annma | you should have an installer from your distro |
| 15:00.32 | brewer | im useing mandrake 10.1 |
| 15:00.50 | annma | urpmi |
| 15:01.32 | brewer | theres a software install er on it but does it have to be done seperatly |
| 15:02.45 | brewer | when i right click the file the install option is there but as u know theres alot of seperate files |
| 15:04.35 | annma | install manually then |
| 15:04.50 | annma | qt, arts, kdelibs, kdebase in this order |
| 15:05.44 | brewer | first files say amorok |
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| 15:08.26 | brewer | think i might be better checking the kde site for install info |
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| 15:12.30 | lippel | installing rpms manually is soo 2000'ish |
| 15:13.00 | annma | kde site will only tell you about tarballs |
| 15:13.12 | laserite | hi all! have u heard of any conflicts between matlab and kde?? i can't input data with the keyboard in matlab when i am in kde, but i can in a failsafe xterm |
| 15:13.13 | annma | brewer: kde only releases and supports tarballs |
| 15:13.24 | annma | all packages are from distros |
| 15:14.04 | lippel | laserite: have you tried a xterm inside of KDE? |
| 15:14.12 | brewer | im pretty new to linux so im just trying to find the best way to load it |
| 15:14.33 | laserite | lippel, yep, no luck |
| 15:14.44 | laserite | FYI, it doesn't work in fluxbox either |
| 15:15.12 | lippel | laserite: maybe matlab uses shortcuts which are used in KDE? like combinations with Ctrl |
| 15:15.38 | lippel | ctrl+whatever, ctrl+alt/shift+.... |
| 15:15.46 | laserite | when u open matlab, u get a command window where u enter the commands for matlab |
| 15:15.55 | laserite | the problem in kde, is that matlab simply ignores the input |
| 15:16.04 | laserite | i mean, i type with the keyboard but nothing's shown |
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| 15:16.18 | laserite | same in fluxbox, while in a failsafe login (that is, only a xterm) it works |
| 15:17.06 | lippel | hmm, so a prompt appears, you type "normal" keys (no ctrl) and its ignored? |
| 15:17.33 | laserite | yep, that's it |
| 15:17.41 | laserite | weird... |
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| 15:37.00 | annma | laserite: if it also fails in fluxbox it's not a kde problem, it's a general X problem |
| 15:37.36 | laserite | anhi, humm, i see |
| 15:37.41 | scrooge | :D:D:D |
| 15:38.04 | scrooge | annma, koffice failed with some kexi/3rdparty/somefile errors |
| 15:38.05 | anhi | wrong tab laserite |
| 15:38.08 | scrooge | gahhhh i forgot |
| 15:38.10 | scrooge | dammit |
| 15:38.31 | annma | scrooge: if I don't see the whole output I cannot help |
| 15:38.45 | scrooge | yea i know, im grabbing it |
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| 15:40.59 | annma | scrooge: I have to go cooking |
| 15:41.14 | annma | paste in a paste bin and ask people around |
| 15:41.20 | annma | paste the last compiling line |
| 15:41.27 | annma | and the first error |
| 15:41.29 | annma | bye! |
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| 15:43.05 | scrooge | lol kthx |
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| 16:30.31 | Tilos | ah, Icons. |
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| 16:31.47 | mercury^ | any idea on my problem? |
| 16:31.57 | mercury^ | would be nice if I could send some emails... |
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| 16:52.19 | osoh | hi all |
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| 16:52.39 | griddl | is there a chance to make all windows start maximized? |
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| 16:52.55 | mercury^ | lots of questions but no single answer... |
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| 16:56.28 | root | Hi |
| 16:56.31 | root | hello |
| 16:56.47 | griddl | never ever irc as root |
| 16:56.59 | FreeWorld | ok , thanks |
| 16:57.18 | FreeWorld | can you answer me some questions? |
| 16:58.00 | FreeWorld | I want to know that is there any Bittorrent client software based on QT? |
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| 16:58.17 | FreeWorld | anyone knows? |
| 16:59.06 | FreeWorld | anyone? |
| 16:59.18 | jsubl2 | qtorrent |
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| 17:01.07 | Oleg_ | wth? my Konsole changed my behavior. If letters can't fit on one line, they go back to the beginning of the same line! |
| 17:01.11 | Oleg_ | how to change it? |
| 17:02.15 | blueyed | Can the ioslaves be configured (to output debug info)? I want to use sftp:// but after aksing for user/pwd it does not load.. |
| 17:03.01 | blueyed | I cannot find ioslave related settings (only "exec:/kcmshell ioslaveinfo" from the konqueror intro). |
| 17:03.14 | pawel[pl] | I would like to add to my panel an applet. Similar to ksysguard, but it should diagnoze my netconnection. Where can I find such an applate? |
| 17:03.56 | pawel[pl] | Are there any panel applets in the net? |
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| 17:07.42 | mercury^ | anyone who has an idea why kmail gives this: "Authorization failed, An error occured during authentication: SASL(-4): no mechanism available: No worthy mechs found authentication not supported" message although cyrus-sasl is installed? |
| 17:10.19 | pawel[pl] | mercury^: I had the same problem and i have solved it |
| 17:10.32 | mercury^ | how? |
| 17:10.34 | pawel[pl] | mercury^: What distro are yo on? |
| 17:10.41 | mercury^ | netbsd |
| 17:11.08 | pawel[pl] | mercury^: I have slack, but it's not a problem |
| 17:11.22 | mercury^ | what did you do to solve it? |
| 17:12.25 | pawel[pl] | mercury^: I have to install difrent packages for my kde. Not all of them just two |
| 17:12.32 | pawel[pl] | cyrus-sasl-2.1.20-i486-1jim.tgz kdebase-sasl-3.4.0-i486-1.tgz |
| 17:13.04 | pawel[pl] | mercury^: The problem is that in new kde there is no sasl package included in kdebase |
| 17:13.33 | mercury^ | support for sasl is compiled in |
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| 17:13.35 | pawel[pl] | So i had to add cyrus-sasl-2.1.20-i486-1jim.tgz |
| 17:14.00 | pawel[pl] | and then replace kdebase with kdebase-sasl-3.4.0-i486-1.tgz |
| 17:14.16 | mercury^ | but my kdebase is compiled with sasl support! |
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| 17:14.34 | pawel[pl] | No it is not |
| 17:14.39 | mercury^ | so is kdepim |
| 17:14.49 | mercury^ | pawel[pl]: why do you think it isn't? |
| 17:14.51 | pawel[pl] | read your error message |
| 17:15.07 | pawel[pl] | SASL no mechanizm avaliable |
| 17:15.15 | mercury^ | I know, but it surely is compiled in |
| 17:15.39 | imp_ | hello. i have a very strange scroll bar: starting from top, there's an scroll-up button, scroll "area" with scroll and there's the scroll-up button again, then the scroll-down button. how can i remove that extra scroll-up button? |
| 17:16.10 | pawel[pl] | I don't know, but when I have updated my kde 3.30 with 3.4.0 there weren't sasl since then |
| 17:16.25 | pawel[pl] | this problem was found in many distros |
| 17:17.35 | mercury^ | I compiled kdebase with --enable-sasl |
| 17:18.31 | pawel[pl] | Ok so you have supprot for sasl in kdebase, but you don't have cyrus-sasl itself |
| 17:19.04 | mercury^ | I said I had it... |
| 17:19.23 | mercury^ | kdebase wouldn't compile if I didn't have cyrus-sasl itself... |
| 17:20.01 | pawel[pl] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:21.12 | pawel[pl] | mercury^: You give to litle details to solve this |
| 17:21.28 | mercury^ | erm, what detail are you missing? |
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| 17:23.18 | blueyed | about the "sftp ioslave": it just says "Opening SFTP connection to host xxx:22" in Konqueror.. cmdline sftp works. |
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| 17:23.31 | blueyed | ftp-ioslave also works. |
| 17:23.48 | blueyed | any ideas to debug? is there no ioslave-cfg? |
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| 17:32.04 | pawel[pl] | mercury^: It works for me. Mabey you shouldn't compile kde by yourself. Take sasl packages, check if they work. And if they do then see what compile optiones have this packages. |
| 17:32.43 | pawel[pl] | When you will have this optiones then compile it by yourself .. |
| 17:33.22 | mercury^ | I know the options ./configure --help showed, but I don't know how to extract used options from packages.... |
| 17:33.45 | mercury^ | afaik everything should work (and it works for IMAP, so I'm wondering why it doesn't for SMTP) |
| 17:33.56 | StevenR | mercury^: why dont you recompile just the broken ioslave |
| 17:34.17 | pawel[pl] | In package there is a special file. |
| 17:34.35 | pawel[pl] | I don't know what it is called for your distro |
| 17:35.12 | mercury^ | StevenR: you sure it's ioslave? |
| 17:35.26 | StevenR | mercury^: what else would it be? |
| 17:35.33 | mercury^ | right... |
| 17:36.19 | StevenR | mercury^: i would start with the ioslave, cos its the smallest compile....i just compile a new ioslave and overwrote my previous one to sole my problem |
| 17:36.28 | mercury^ | it worked? |
| 17:36.35 | StevenR | yes |
| 17:36.55 | StevenR | mercury^: did you check if ./configure actually found the cyrus-sasl? |
| 17:37.19 | mercury^ | I ldd-ed everything in my kde-libdir |
| 17:37.27 | mercury^ | the sasl library showed up quite often |
| 17:37.38 | StevenR | ok... |
| 17:37.48 | StevenR | mercury^: what about for the smtp ioslave? |
| 17:37.52 | StevenR | piq smtp |
| 17:37.55 | StevenR | damn |
| 17:38.26 | mercury^ | where's the smtp ioslave? |
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| 17:38.31 | StevenR | ldd /opt/kde/lib/kde3/kio_smtp.so |
| 17:38.52 | mercury^ | shows up |
| 17:39.02 | mercury^ | -lsasl2.2 => /usr/pkg/lib/libsasl2.so.2 |
| 17:39.23 | StevenR | mercury^: hmm..looking at the error message again..it seems sasl is broken or something....maybe bsd perms dont let it work for osme reason? |
| 17:40.41 | mercury^ | hmm, libsasl is readable and executable... |
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| 17:41.06 | StevenR | mercury^: have you read the cyrus-sasl site for any gotchas? |
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| 17:41.16 | mercury^ | no |
| 17:41.59 | StevenR | i'd try there |
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| 17:43.13 | mercury^ | ok, found what's missing |
| 17:43.20 | mercury^ | cyrus-sasl needs some plugins |
| 17:43.36 | mercury^ | thanks StevenR |
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| 17:49.32 | Bluewolf | j #java |
| 17:49.43 | mercury^ | hmm, got the plugins now, but it still doesn't work... |
| 17:49.50 | mercury^ | do I maybe need to restart kde? |
| 17:49.55 | Bluewolf | oops |
| 17:50.07 | Bluewolf | sorry all |
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| 18:09.31 | Flendor | Good evening :) |
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| 18:31.59 | estel | hi |
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| 18:33.42 | estel | is it possible to print another error-message if konqueror fails to open a directory? |
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| 18:36.09 | Papyrus | i need help |
| 18:36.22 | Papyrus | i can't start kde |
| 18:36.34 | Papyrus | KCrash error messages |
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| 18:42.14 | Papyrus | hey |
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| 18:46.43 | Sirus | Anyone here have an extended desktop? |
| 18:47.27 | xerxes1358 | whats an extended desktop ? |
| 18:48.00 | Papyrus | KCrash: crashing.... crashRecursionCounter = 2. any idea ? |
| 18:48.07 | Papyrus | many DCOP error messages |
| 18:48.24 | Sirus | xerxes1358 when you share you desktop with more than 1 monitor |
| 18:48.46 | xerxes1358 | Sirus, Ah yes |
| 18:48.52 | xerxes1358 | Sirus, I had that but it was too slow |
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| 18:49.41 | Sirus | slow? |
| 18:49.45 | Sirus | ;/ |
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| 19:17.32 | osoh | hi all |
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| 19:25.57 | sredna | Hello * |
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| 19:29.10 | markey | re s* |
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| 19:38.05 | hellfire | My kmail wont work proper with gpg, is there a configuration file besides ~/.kde/share/config/kmailrc where i can look at? |
| 19:39.36 | sredna | hellfire: What exactly is the problem? |
| 19:41.20 | hellfire | when i receive a mail which was encrypted, kmail complains it cant decrypt it, because the passphrase is wrong. But i didnt enter the passphrase nowhere, nor were i asked to. |
| 19:42.28 | sredna | hellfire: You probably need to start gpg-agent |
| 19:42.58 | hellfire | sredna: whats that? |
| 19:43.08 | sredna | hellfire: It should be started in the parent shell. If you have kde 3.3 or newer, you can put a script in ~/.kde/env/ to do it |
| 19:44.05 | sredna | hellfire: Gpg-agent provides a way for kmail to securely ask for passphrases, and also requires a pinentry client |
| 19:44.36 | sredna | hellfire: You can find a detailled description on kmails homepage (http://kmail.kde.org) |
| 19:45.10 | lippel | is there a stable gpg release with gpg-agent in it? |
| 19:45.22 | lippel | or is it still the same mess as it was some months ago? |
| 19:45.28 | hellfire | sredna: thanks |
| 19:45.58 | sredna | lippel: I think kmail has a copy of gmgme with it |
| 19:46.24 | lippel | sredna: that doesn't solve the gpg-agent problem |
| 19:46.38 | sredna | Uhm, maybe not |
| 19:46.47 | lippel | i needed to compile gpg-agent from some gpg beta, with --agent-only flag or something like that |
| 19:46.52 | sredna | I remember it beeing a bit messy too |
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| 19:47.23 | lippel | i wonder if distris handle it better these days |
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| 19:55.36 | dicrapio | hello |
| 19:56.11 | dicrapio | ques, whats the best way to use fluxbox instead of kwin in a kde environment? |
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| 19:58.35 | aseigo | dicrapio: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/kdewm/ |
| 20:01.58 | dicrapio | thx |
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| 20:15.12 | Flendor | Hello. |
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| 20:18.46 | sredna | Hi Flendor :) |
| 20:18.52 | sredna | How was school? |
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| 20:20.42 | Flendor | Pretty fine.. |
| 20:20.54 | Flendor | We learned how to ask for & tell the time in German ;) |
| 20:21.03 | Flendor | How's it going for you? |
| 20:22.03 | dicrapio | aseigo, what would be the equivalent to ~/.profile |
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| 20:22.32 | sredna | Uhm, fine. I'm not doing much, but I spent a lot of the day outside :-) |
| 20:22.34 | aseigo | dicrapio: for what? |
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| 20:22.51 | Flendor | Outside = Good :) |
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| 20:23.33 | dicrapio | to use flux instead of kwin |
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| 20:23.41 | dicrapio | or should i just create the file? |
| 20:24.04 | prurigro | I installed gnome2.10 and now my kmenu is uneditable and the same as the gnome menu-- anyone know how to fix this? I had my kmenu like perfect before this :( |
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| 20:26.18 | sredna | prurigro: Rename .local |
| 20:26.26 | aseigo | dicrapio: ah.. well, .profile should be sourced.. if you don't have one, make one =) |
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| 20:26.49 | deckard | hi |
| 20:26.53 | dicrapio | kool |
| 20:26.53 | prurigro | oh seriously? thats it? is gnome 2.10 gonna remake .local if I change it? |
| 20:27.16 | sredna | For bash, the file is usually named ~/.bash_profile |
| 20:27.38 | aseigo | sredna: for kdm logins though, is that sourced? |
| 20:27.45 | sredna | prurigro: I don't know what gnoeme does to it |
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| 20:28.08 | sredna | aseigo: I believe that the system could create a login shell, which will source it |
| 20:28.27 | sredna | Should |
| 20:28.39 | prurigro | sredna: oh well- guess I could just not use gnome lol |
| 20:28.55 | prurigro | sredna: I was thinking maybe 2.10 would be decent but its still pretty dissapointing |
| 20:28.58 | sredna | I htink that is a sane solution, but I'm biased ;) |
| 20:29.13 | asec | is it possible to make my color scheme blend with the wallpaper ( ie transperent)? |
| 20:29.18 | asec | kde 3.3 |
| 20:30.04 | aseigo | asec: yes, that's what the blending functions in the wallpaper control panel do ...though you have to set the colours there manually |
| 20:30.19 | aseigo | asec: you can drag and drop between the colour control panel and the wallpaper one though =) |
| 20:32.00 | asec | aseigo: you mean i just drop the jpeg in the custom color box? |
| 20:32.24 | asec | not sure how to drag and drop it |
| 20:32.25 | aseigo | asec: no, i meant you can drag the colours from the colours control panel to the custom color box. |
| 20:32.39 | aseigo | asec: easy to get the proper colours from your colours scheme that way |
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| 20:33.08 | prurigro | sredna: oh well, I'll try the local deal- thx |
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| 20:35.59 | aton` | how can i autostart a program once kde is started (using kdm) |
| 20:36.47 | sredna | aton`: Put a link or script or .desktop file in ~/.kde/Autostart |
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| 20:39.46 | Skrot | So, when is 4.x expected? |
| 20:39.48 | Flendor | Good night. |
| 20:40.17 | aton` | sredna, thanks |
| 20:40.23 | sredna | Np |
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| 20:52.45 | Cyanophytes | After starting KDE and loging out then trying to start KDE again it won't start and I have to reboot. What could cause this |
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| 20:58.34 | aseigo | Cyanophytes: what does it say in your ~/.Xerrors or ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 21:01.25 | Zugot | Skrot: 4 has to be a while from now... qt 4 hasn't even had released qt4 yet |
| 21:02.38 | Cyanophytes | aseigo: let me check |
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| 21:03.24 | Skrot | Zugot: I know.. but QT4 will be realeased soon, so i was woundering how long to expect between qt4 and kde4.x |
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| 21:04.42 | Zugot | Skrot: are you looking for some sort of missing feature? |
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| 21:06.01 | Skrot | Zugot: no, not really :) |
| 21:06.02 | aseigo | Skrot: longer than a regular release... which is usually 6 to 9 months |
| 21:06.24 | aseigo | Skrot: so... 1.5x-2x that long is probably reasonable. |
| 21:06.28 | Zugot | i've just started look at qt4 in the past week |
| 21:06.31 | Skrot | allrighty, probably Q2 2006 then? :] |
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| 21:10.09 | capgadget | QT 4 in late Q2 2005. |
| 21:10.26 | capgadget | http://www.trolltech.com/newsroom/announcements/00000200.html |
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| 21:14.03 | lxuser | HELLO |
| 21:14.25 | sredna | Hi |
| 21:14.38 | lxuser | HOW IS EVERY ONE TONIGHT |
| 21:14.59 | lxuser | sorry didnt realise my caps lock was on |
| 21:15.43 | lxuser | any 1 else useing kde 3.4 |
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| 21:18.12 | lippel | lxuser: no, we're mostly gnome users |
| 21:19.03 | lxuser | oh |
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| 21:19.21 | sredna | Auch :o |
| 21:19.45 | Cyanophytes | aseigo: I don't get any ~/.Xerrors or ~/.xsession-errors |
| 21:20.47 | lippel | sredna: hmm, i should've added a smiley i guess |
| 21:21.08 | sredna | lippel: I catched him :) |
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| 21:22.05 | sredna | Wb :) |
| 21:22.10 | lxuser | ty |
| 21:22.21 | lxuser | were are you from |
| 21:22.27 | sredna | Me? Denmark |
| 21:22.32 | lxuser | cool |
| 21:22.48 | lxuser | << UK |
| 21:23.08 | sredna | I'm sure we cover a greate part of the world in here |
| 21:23.10 | lippel | lxuser: have i scared you away? ;-) |
| 21:23.36 | lxuser | not really geezer |
| 21:23.41 | sredna | I really like hearts, it's so easy to win :o |
| 21:23.50 | lxuser | i dont go on chat rooms much |
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| 21:24.16 | Dhraakellian | "channels" the term is "channel" !;) |
| 21:24.21 | Dhraakellian | not that it matters all that much |
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| 21:24.28 | lxuser | i see that kde installed this prog and thought id messaround |
| 21:24.42 | Dhraakellian | ksirc? |
| 21:25.00 | lxuser | konversation |
| 21:25.03 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 21:25.18 | Dhraakellian | konversation got installed along with kde? |
| 21:25.22 | Dhraakellian | hmm... |
| 21:25.23 | lxuser | yes |
| 21:25.35 | lxuser | thats why im here not thought id try it |
| 21:26.04 | askie | Evening, all :) |
| 21:26.05 | Dhraakellian | being a tad bit of an IRC junkie, there are still a couple things that konversation is missing for me |
| 21:26.06 | Zugot | konverstation works |
| 21:26.12 | Dhraakellian | gazebo |
| 21:26.23 | Skrot | Such as? |
| 21:26.30 | lxuser | im quite impressed it was hassel free |
| 21:26.35 | Dhraakellian | vertical tabbar, for one |
| 21:27.07 | Dhraakellian | separation of tabs based on network, better activity notification in the tabbar |
| 21:27.18 | askie | I just quit using konversation ... |
| 21:27.33 | Sirus | anyone here run an extended desktop |
| 21:27.33 | Sirus | ? |
| 21:27.35 | Dhraakellian | there are probably a couple other minor cosmetic things, but those are my main gripes |
| 21:27.41 | Dhraakellian | extended desktop? |
| 21:27.42 | Skrot | I agree with the sorting tabs by network |
| 21:27.46 | askie | Its reconnect bug was making it do overall more harm than good :( |
| 21:27.59 | lxuser | i must admit kde has come a long way in the last few yrs 3.4 is the best by far |
| 21:28.09 | lippel | askie: reconnect bug? |
| 21:28.36 | askie | lippel: Yes... moment |
| 21:29.29 | askie | lippel: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85528 <-- this one |
| 21:29.39 | Dhraakellian | I have my tabs on the right side of my xchat window |
| 21:29.43 | Dhraakellian | with small fonts |
| 21:29.48 | Sirus | I have an ATI readeon card cant figure out how to get both of my monitors working tho |
| 21:30.22 | Dhraakellian | I'm currently in 18 chans |
| 21:30.27 | lxuser | i have ati readeon |
| 21:30.45 | Sirus | lxuser extended desktop yes? |
| 21:30.55 | Dhraakellian | that number is a little higher than what it sometimes is, but it's still way too many for a horizontal tab bar |
| 21:31.01 | xerxes1358 | where are KDEs program located usually ? |
| 21:31.05 | xerxes1358 | I am working SUSE |
| 21:31.10 | Skrot | Dhraakellian: I see the problem |
| 21:31.11 | lxuser | i have suse |
| 21:31.16 | lxuser | 9.1 pro |
| 21:31.33 | lippel | askie: hmm, i've never seen that |
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| 21:31.40 | lxuser | it auto recognise my card and installed the screen mode |
| 21:31.42 | Dhraakellian | kde-config --prefix- |
| 21:31.45 | Dhraakellian | kde-config --prefix |
| 21:31.51 | askie | lippel: It happens too often here |
| 21:31.55 | Sirus | heh |
| 21:32.27 | Sirus | I guess I wont beable to use both my monitors |
| 21:32.27 | malte | is it possible to make konqueror open an url in a new tab from the command line? |
| 21:32.36 | lxuser | i use a mode of 1078 x 768 |
| 21:32.40 | malte | if konqueror is already started |
| 21:32.42 | lxuser | i think |
| 21:32.49 | Dhraakellian | xerxes1358, that second line there is probably the command you want to use to find out |
| 21:33.12 | xerxes1358 | which line ? |
| 21:33.20 | Dhraakellian | kde-config --prefix |
| 21:33.34 | xerxes1358 | I dont think so |
| 21:33.37 | Dhraakellian | that one. I typoed it on the line before |
| 21:33.38 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
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| 21:33.47 | xerxes1358 | whereis amarok |
| 21:33.47 | xerxes1358 | amarok: /opt/kde3/bin/amarok |
| 21:33.50 | xerxes1358 | done |
| 21:33.51 | xerxes1358 | :) |
| 21:33.55 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 21:33.57 | Dhraakellian | that works too |
| 21:34.04 | askie | lippel: The biggest problem is that sometimes I don't even get a chance to change my nick manually... |
| 21:34.09 | GotD0t | hey guys... im trying to instal k3b and it fails when trying to merge mjpegtools because of undefined references in liblavfile.so |
| 21:34.10 | Sirus | lxuser I'm trying to use 2 monitors on 1 desktop] |
| 21:34.12 | xerxes1358 | Is amarok able to open .pls files ?? I want to listen to shoutcast radio |
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| 21:34.34 | Dhraakellian | it should |
| 21:34.42 | lippel | askie: do you have an unstable connection? |
| 21:35.12 | askie | lippel: sometimes yes (i've commented on the bug as well), but other clients manage fine |
| 21:36.01 | GotD0t | any clue? |
| 21:36.02 | sredna | Good night, everybody :) |
| 21:36.21 | lxuser | the only problem with linux is my usb mic |
| 21:36.45 | lxuser | ive never used 2 monitors |
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| 21:36.49 | lxuser | or tryed |
| 21:36.56 | askie | lippel: But I'll wait, maybe I'll re-check Konversation in a while |
| 21:37.11 | xerxes1358 | amarok doesnt read my .pls fiels |
| 21:37.13 | xerxes1358 | files |
| 21:37.35 | xerxes1358 | this sucks |
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| 21:38.00 | lxuser | got linux to red all my asf , wmv , avi mpeg ect before it would only read mpg and avi |
| 21:38.03 | lxuser | read |
| 21:38.13 | xerxes1358 | anyone an idea how to fix this ? My amarok doesnt read pls files |
| 21:38.21 | thiago | lxuser: mplayer |
| 21:38.25 | doctorwhite | r there anyother web dev programs besides quanta plus that is really good for linux? |
| 21:38.27 | lxuser | i went to the xine site and d/l the codecs |
| 21:38.27 | xerxes1358 | amarok rocks |
| 21:38.38 | HuntsMan | doctorwhite: NVU |
| 21:39.09 | lxuser | linux media player is not about |
| 21:39.15 | Dhraakellian | lxuser, not sure, but it might depend on the engine |
| 21:39.33 | lxuser | i went to the site and its not there get redirected |
| 21:40.02 | lxuser | i had xine 0.99 installed the dvd codecs no problems at all |
| 21:40.19 | lxuser | ive got the system how i want it |
| 21:40.34 | lxuser | apart from my bloody usb cam and mic |
| 21:40.44 | Sirus | and I'll be done |
| 21:41.20 | lxuser | im tired |
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| 21:41.41 | lxuser | :) |
| 21:41.48 | Sirus | googling/forum searching/irc asking has done me no good |
| 21:41.49 | Sirus | ;/ |
| 21:43.21 | lxuser | ive used mandrake redhat / fedora bsd coral but suse is the best of them all |
| 21:43.34 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 21:43.44 | Dhraakellian | I don't think I'll be moving away from gentoo any time soon |
| 21:43.51 | Dhraakellian | although I do have off this week |
| 21:43.57 | lxuser | tryed lindows and beos also |
| 21:44.01 | Dhraakellian | and a kubuntu install CD |
| 21:44.32 | lxuser | was looking at trying skyos |
| 21:44.40 | lxuser | but its not free |
| 21:44.41 | xerxes1358 | SUSE is really easy to setup. Now lets hope it stays like this |
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| 21:45.05 | lxuser | will get a pirated copy |
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| 21:52.34 | lxuser | i bought a full copy of suse come on 5 cds and 2 dvds |
| 21:52.56 | lxuser | 2nd dvd being all the sources |
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| 21:57.48 | lxuser | no one talking |
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| 22:00.21 | pankey | :P |
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| 22:02.03 | mike | I just installed mdk 10.2 on a new computer and installed my self-compiled kde. it doesn't populate the menu, but everything works perfectly otherwise. why would that be? |
| 22:03.17 | pankey | #mandrake |
| 22:03.33 | mike | I'm not asking a mandrake question. this is a kde question |
| 22:03.58 | mike | maybe something is missing from my tarball. any idea what it could be. |
| 22:04.10 | thiago | there's nothing in the KDE menu? |
| 22:04.21 | mike | no, and I can-t get it to populate. |
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| 22:04.27 | lxuser | mandrake is shite get a real linux os |
| 22:04.27 | mike | this is s3m10s btw |
| 22:05.21 | mike | yeah, i was thinking maybe linspire would be a better choice, huh lxuser |
| 22:05.33 | lxuser | i have linspire |
| 22:05.37 | lxuser | bought a copy |
| 22:05.48 | lxuser | and suse 9.1 pro |
| 22:06.04 | mike | i have all that and use mdk, vector and yoper |
| 22:06.10 | lxuser | mandrake after 9.0 wouldnt install |
| 22:06.35 | lxuser | boot the first bit then hang the system never went back to it then |
| 22:06.37 | mike | thiago: it also won't pick up the new menu if I make and save one |
| 22:06.54 | mike | but, ~home/.kde is there |
| 22:07.11 | thiago | mike: the menu isn't kept there |
| 22:07.12 | thiago | it's at ~/.local |
| 22:07.29 | mike | i know. |
| 22:07.38 | mike | i meant to say that $KDEHOME is set right |
| 22:08.53 | mike | I bet my tarball is screwed, i'll just have to take my comp back form my wife and make a new one |
| 22:10.46 | mike | thiago: and kcontrol doesn't have any modules in it either |
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| 22:14.02 | thiago | what is KDEDIRS set to? |
| 22:14.43 | mike | thiago: /opt/kde |
| 22:14.57 | thiago | is that where KDE is? |
| 22:15.39 | mike | thiago: /opt/kde |
| 22:15.58 | mike | qtdir, kdedir, kdedirs, ld_library_path are all right |
| 22:16.18 | thiago | do you have any XDG_ variable set? |
| 22:17.19 | mike | I don't know what that is. let me check |
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| 22:17.41 | mike | doesn't look like it. what should it be? |
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| 22:20.10 | thiago | they should be empty |
| 22:20.15 | thiago | run kbuildsycoca |
| 22:20.17 | thiago | what happens? |
| 22:20.38 | mike | alot of undefined mimetypes |
| 22:20.58 | thiago | when it has finished, check if the menus show |
| 22:21.40 | mike | nope |
| 22:23.15 | mike | I think I'll leave you guys alone and doublecheck against my compile system. I-ll bet something got left out of my installation and is messing this up |
| 22:23.40 | mike | thiago: thanks anyways |
| 22:26.52 | irreverentrevere | I am attempting to set up XDMCP, and enabled the port and the xdmcp int he kderc, but the client is still getting a fatal error :manager unwilling host unwilling.... what does that mean? |
| 22:27.47 | lxuser | im off to bed and watch motogp tomorrow |
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| 22:27.50 | lxuser | k88ters all |
| 22:27.55 | lxuser | l88ters |
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| 22:28.44 | malte | "k88ters" is like kde-l88ters |
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| 22:34.20 | we2by | is it posible to make windows drop shadow? |
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| 22:35.39 | we2by | in what package are the screensavers? |
| 22:35.40 | thiago | possible? yes |
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| 22:35.46 | we2by | thiago, how do I do it? |
| 22:35.50 | thiago | I don't think there's code written for that, though |
| 22:35.56 | thiago | so you'd need to write the code yourself |
| 22:36.09 | we2by | I meant posible with the current stable version. |
| 22:36.11 | we2by | :\ |
| 22:36.28 | thiago | then no, I don't think so |
| 22:36.33 | thiago | which screensavers do you want? |
| 22:37.13 | we2by | I don't see any installed |
| 22:37.48 | thiago | which one do you want? |
| 22:37.57 | we2by | I dunno |
| 22:38.03 | we2by | I just want to set a screensaver |
| 22:38.07 | we2by | but none is installed |
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| 22:39.02 | irreverentrevere | dang it what does manager unwilling, host unwilling mean? |
| 22:41.16 | thiago | we2by: some screensavers are in kdebase, some in kdeartwork |
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| 22:45.45 | we2by | I have a problem with kde |
| 22:45.49 | we2by | may it's a bug? |
| 22:46.04 | we2by | some time the k menu cover the k menu button |
| 22:46.11 | we2by | sometimes it doesn't |
| 22:46.51 | simmerz | does anyone run kde at 2048x1356? |
| 22:47.06 | we2by | wow. u got a big screen there |
| 22:47.34 | simmerz | we2by > I run at 1600x1200. running a 22" Iiyama VM Pro. but i can't get it to run at the max res of the monitor |
| 22:47.52 | simmerz | wondering how much graphics memory i need to physically have to run that kind of res |
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| 22:48.08 | we2by | probably 128mb? |
| 22:48.20 | thiago | simmerz: do the math |
| 22:48.30 | thiago | 2048 * 1536 * 3 |
| 22:48.36 | simmerz | thiago: cheers |
| 22:48.45 | thiago | 9437184 bytes |
| 22:49.09 | we2by | why * 3? |
| 22:49.15 | thiago | X will also tell you the reason it refuses to open at a certain resolution |
| 22:49.19 | sarah03 | 3 channels, 8 bits per channel. |
| 22:49.27 | thiago | because each pixel takes 3 bytes in 24 bits-per-pixel mode |
| 22:49.28 | sarah03 | So 24 bits, 3 bytes. |
| 22:49.33 | Dhraakellian | 9437184/1024^2 = 9 |
| 22:49.33 | StevenR | we2by: 3colours Red Blue Green |
| 22:49.57 | we2by | ok.. |
| 22:50.18 | Dhraakellian | alt+F2 makes a semi-decent calculator if all you care about is integers |
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| 22:52.54 | simmerz | ok, it was because it wasn't set up to in X. the fonts are bigger now though. not running at the same size as in the lower resolutions. |
| 22:53.34 | canllaith | check dpi.... if you add physical size of your display to xorg.conf it will calculate correct dpi for you |
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| 22:54.40 | simmerz | canllaith: it asks for it in mm. do i physically have to measure it? or are there predefined settings for certain sizes? |
| 22:54.50 | nick01 | anyone knows a word processor that can print in text mode on a dot matrix printer ? |
| 22:55.07 | canllaith | simmerz: generally it's in the manual for your monitor or manufacturers website - but sure, you can measure it if that's easier |
| 22:55.10 | thiago | generally, there are predefined sizes |
| 22:55.13 | canllaith | Mine was in the manual for my laptops |
| 22:55.19 | canllaith | but then laptops vary more |
| 22:55.40 | thiago | but their screens are also easier to measure |
| 22:55.43 | thiago | being flat LCDs and all |
| 22:56.06 | canllaith | yup |
| 22:56.06 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 22:56.28 | simmerz | canllaith: found it. |
| 22:57.14 | simmerz | canllaith: what about refresh rates. the monitor supports a refresh rate of 102Hz @ 1600x1200, but i can't get it above 85 |
| 22:57.30 | nick01 | I need something that doesn't generate postscript |
| 22:57.32 | canllaith | Check your xorg.conf and make sure you have vrefresh and hsync set right |
| 22:57.54 | thiago | nick01: ls |
| 22:58.02 | thiago | ah, sorry |
| 22:58.07 | thiago | I hadn't seen your previous line |
| 22:58.12 | nick01 | :) |
| 22:58.14 | simmerz | canllaith:it is |
| 22:58.21 | thiago | cat text-file > /dev/lp0 |
| 22:58.43 | we2by | can I make pictures preview in konqueror with shadow? |
| 22:58.52 | nick01 | thiago, I need something I can edit the file with and preview |
| 22:59.00 | nick01 | thiago, I need a word processor |
| 23:00.04 | thiago | use a normal word processor, then save to .txt |
| 23:00.52 | nick01 | u don't get it- I wanna use a word processor not hacks |
| 23:01.05 | canllaith | 'hacks' ? You asked for a solution. |
| 23:01.15 | nick01 | I asked for a word processor |
| 23:01.17 | we2by | can I make pictures preview in konqueror with shadow? |
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| 23:01.53 | nick01 | even a windows word processor - whatever |
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| 23:01.59 | nick01 | word 97 didn't work |
| 23:02.04 | nick01 | it printed as images |
| 23:02.12 | nick01 | OOo - same problem |
| 23:02.17 | nick01 | abi too |
| 23:02.18 | canllaith | What would we know about Windows word processor? This is a KDE channel |
| 23:02.26 | nick01 | I know |
| 23:02.32 | nick01 | whatever |
| 23:03.58 | Dhraakellian | so you're wanting text only, but you still want to have all the formatting of a normal word processor document? |
| 23:04.26 | lippel | kwrite + lpr |
| 23:04.33 | simmerz | right, ive restarted X, and the DPI hasn't changed itself. is this an X problem or something to do with KDE? |
| 23:05.04 | canllaith | It is of course X configuration. |
| 23:05.20 | canllaith | and, perhaps the DPI was already close to correct |
| 23:05.31 | we2by | any idea? |
| 23:06.01 | simmerz | canllaith: can you shed some light as to where i might find it? I've set the size of the screen. when i was running a default res of 1600x1200, and didn't have the larger res set up, it was ok. as soon as i put in the 2048x1536 res, it has now gone wrong |
| 23:06.20 | canllaith | Where you might find what ? |
| 23:06.36 | simmerz | canllaith: how to sort out the dpi issue |
| 23:06.45 | thiago | nick01: I haven't seen any word processor print as text in 12 years |
| 23:06.46 | nick01 | Dhraakellian, I wwant to be able to print first oneside then the other - and print preview too |
| 23:06.50 | canllaith | What issue? you need to say more than 'horribly wrong' |
| 23:07.03 | canllaith | *gone wrong |
| 23:07.12 | thiago | nick01: the only one I can tell you of is Wordstar 5, which is what I used back in 1993 |
| 23:07.41 | simmerz | canllaith: I have 8pt fonts set. before i added 2048x1536 to xorg.conf, the fonts shows at the right size. now, with the extra res added to xorg.conf, 8pt text is much too big |
| 23:08.09 | nick01 | thiago, is that for windows or linux ? |
| 23:08.56 | canllaith | Perhaps that is the correct dpi. I would read your X log and see what it says |
| 23:09.07 | lippel | hmm, if dosbox had printing support, you could run ms word 5.0 in it ;-) |
| 23:09.20 | nick01 | thiago, or maybe dos :( |
| 23:09.20 | canllaith | That dosbox is a very nice program |
| 23:09.35 | thiago | nick01: DOS |
| 23:09.41 | nick01 | :/ |
| 23:09.47 | canllaith | You could write a perl cgi that let you edit the doc in a webform, then cat it to lp0 ;) |
| 23:10.06 | nick01 | thiago, can I select the fonts I want to use with it ? it needs special fonts ? |
| 23:10.10 | canllaith | That would just be a nice wrapper around the 'Edit in text editor then cat to lp0' solution |
| 23:10.23 | thiago | simmerz: 8pt should be 1/9th of an inch high |
| 23:10.23 | nick01 | :| |
| 23:10.30 | thiago | nick01: it'll print as text |
| 23:10.33 | lippel | i bet there is a better solution though. most likely there is cli geek out there saying "who need more the 9-pin printers" |
| 23:10.43 | thiago | nick01: the font will be whatever your printer has hardcoded into it |
| 23:10.57 | simmerz | thiago, canllaith: (**) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (131, 132) |
| 23:10.57 | nick01 | thiago, does it have print preview ? |
| 23:11.07 | thiago | nick01: yes |
| 23:11.11 | canllaith | simmerz: that does not sound terribly wrong. |
| 23:11.37 | nick01 | thiago, and what I c is what I get ? or page 100 will be page 124 on paper ? :) |
| 23:11.38 | thiago | simmerz: 14 or 15px high |
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| 23:11.39 | we2by | I have a file on my desktop owned by root, and I deleted it from my terminal , but I still can see the file on my desktop. how's this posible? |
| 23:11.54 | canllaith | Refresh desktop? |
| 23:12.02 | thiago | nick01: what you see almost what you get, but pages are generally right |
| 23:12.03 | we2by | tried it allready |
| 23:12.04 | simmerz | canllaith: let me see what it says when i remove 2048x1536 |
| 23:12.24 | thiago | we2by: the desktop hasn't refreshed |
| 23:12.28 | canllaith | simmerz: I've never used higher than 1600x1200 (Largest screen here is 20" tft) |
| 23:12.33 | we2by | I did it twice allready |
| 23:12.50 | canllaith | I can't think of any reason why 2048x1536 would not work fine, but who knows. |
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| 23:13.09 | nick01 | thiago, I don't suppose u know where I might find that wordstar ? (to download :P ) |
| 23:13.29 | thiago | nick01: it's a 13-year-old product. You can probably find it in a museum. |
| 23:13.39 | nick01 | LOL |
| 23:13.43 | sarah03 | Hum. I've got one of my monitors at 1280x960 because the pixels are the right shape that way. |
| 23:13.43 | nick01 | tks |
| 23:13.50 | thiago | nick01: I think I threw my 5.25" floppies away a year ago. |
| 23:13.59 | Dhraakellian | hehhehheh |
| 23:14.03 | simmerz | canllaith, thiago: with the previous setting i had, it is now DPI 102, 103 |
| 23:14.05 | thiago | nick01: even if I hadn't, I don't have any computers with 5.25" drives anymore. |
| 23:14.08 | Dhraakellian | thiago, instead of donating them to a museum? |
| 23:14.14 | nick01 | I c |
| 23:14.25 | canllaith | simmerz: ok, and your fonts are a bit smaller at that one I guess, not too big |
| 23:14.33 | simmerz | canllaith: yes correct |
| 23:14.50 | canllaith | All my tricks you have already tried =p |
| 23:14.57 | canllaith | setting physical monitor size etc etc |
| 23:15.19 | Dhraakellian | my dad has an 8" floppy drive that he basicly uses as a coffee table |
| 23:15.22 | lippel | brucehoult: if they aren't broken anyway |
| 23:15.42 | we2by | second problem here |
| 23:15.47 | Dhraakellian | and we still have the old Sony SMC-70 that it went with |
| 23:15.51 | we2by | an icon is below the taskbar. :( |
| 23:16.10 | lippel | the only person i know owning 8" disks is the 65 years old mother of my ex-girlfriend |
| 23:16.17 | Dhraakellian | we2by, hide the panel, move the icon, and unhide the panel |
| 23:16.31 | sarah03 | Hm. I think I've seen an 8" floppy drive. |
| 23:16.39 | we2by | I can move it without hiding it |
| 23:17.00 | Dhraakellian | we2by, what was the antecedant of "it" in that sentence? |
| 23:17.03 | we2by | but when I sort it vertically, I get an icon below the taskbar again |
| 23:17.13 | Dhraakellian | nm |
| 23:17.33 | Dhraakellian | (this is one reason why I don't have many icons on my desktop) |
| 23:19.25 | simmerz | canllaith: thanks anyway |
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| 23:19.44 | canllaith | simmerz: you can force dpi |
| 23:19.50 | canllaith | startx -- -dpi 100 |
| 23:19.59 | lippel | i don't have any icons on the desktop. as i never see the background anyway, it won't make much sense ;-) |
| 23:20.02 | canllaith | That's a bit messy though. It is much better to let X calculate it himself |
| 23:20.21 | simmerz | canllaith: how do i do that if X is starting automatically on startup? |
| 23:20.33 | canllaith | You'll have to look at your scripts that are calling X |
| 23:20.56 | Dhraakellian | lippel, heh... I get a tad claustrophobic in a way if I can't see at least part of the desktop |
| 23:20.57 | thiago | or set the screen size properly |
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| 23:21.20 | jean | just found out that KDE does not have a native KDM Theme Manager...now that's disappointing |
| 23:21.31 | lippel | Dhraakellian: i guess you have a higher resolution than 1024x768 then :P |
| 23:22.04 | we2by | looks like my kpdf does not have text to speech |
| 23:22.05 | we2by | :( |
| 23:22.14 | thiago | we2by: or your pdf has no text |
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| 23:22.38 | we2by | it has text |
| 23:22.49 | Bultom | Hi |
| 23:22.57 | Dhraakellian | lippel, 1600x1200 |
| 23:23.25 | thiago | we2by: PDFs are lousy to be converted to text |
| 23:23.54 | Dhraakellian | 1152x864 the smallest that I like to go |
| 23:23.58 | Bultom | i've got a little problem with compiling Kdebase ( version 3.4 ) it fail when it compile logitech-mouse stuff , even if i disable Useflag logitech-mouse it when too compile it :/ |
| 23:24.02 | we2by | but I don't see any option for text to speech |
| 23:24.22 | thiago | Bultom: what is the error? |
| 23:24.24 | Dhraakellian | 1024x768 is the minimum (except on our old laptop, which only has an 800x600 screen) |
| 23:25.27 | canllaith | Screen space might be a bit cramped but when you are hacking lying on the couch with your feet up you don't care so much ;) |
| 23:25.28 | Bultom | http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=37688 <= thiago |
| 23:25.32 | we2by | maybe I don't have text to speech? |
| 23:25.41 | Bultom | if you need more i'll re-emerge it |
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| 23:27.51 | simmerz | thiago: my monitor manual says that "Standard Screen Size" is 395x295mm |
| 23:28.27 | simmerz | apparently the viewable area of the screen is: 406x304mm |
| 23:29.01 | Sirus | extended desktop crashed my box never even got to work |
| 23:29.02 | Sirus | ;/ |
| 23:30.36 | Bultom | http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=37613 <== thiago this is the error message |
| 23:31.47 | Bultom | ( the complete one ) |
| 23:36.00 | we2by | the kde text to speech tool is called KTTS? |
| 23:36.11 | thiago | Bultom: I see -lusb in the command line, but the error is usb_init isn't found |
| 23:36.36 | Bultom | so ? |
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| 23:37.03 | Bultom | libusb missing ? |
| 23:37.07 | thiago | your libusb is broken |
| 23:37.14 | Bultom | -_-" |
| 23:37.24 | thiago | no, it's there, but it doesn't have the proper symbols |
| 23:37.55 | Bultom | need to recompile it ? |
| 23:38.00 | Bultom | ( i use gentoo ) |
| 23:38.07 | we2by | wow |
| 23:38.19 | we2by | I didn't know about the tool to get new wallpapers from the net instantly |
| 23:38.21 | we2by | :=) |
| 23:38.26 | we2by | nice featture |
| 23:39.30 | thiago | ghns |
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| 23:39.52 | we2by | what do I install to get text to speech? |
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| 23:40.51 | Bultom | thiago i've recompiled my libusb you think it solve the problem ? |
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| 23:40.59 | we2by | it's called festival, isn't it? |
| 23:41.50 | simmerz | thiago: I dont understand how when the screen gets bigger, the fonts get bigger too! |
| 23:42.27 | Blissex | simmerz: how can the screen get bigger? have you got a rubber display? |
| 23:42.32 | thiago | Bultom: no idea |
| 23:42.35 | thiago | Bultom: it could |
| 23:42.40 | thiago | simmerz: huh? |
| 23:42.42 | simmerz | Blissex: no - screen res |
| 23:42.47 | thiago | simmerz: the fonts should stay the same size |
| 23:43.01 | thiago | simmerz: if they were 1cm high on one res, they should stay 1cm high in any res. |
| 23:43.08 | Blissex | simmerz: so you mean, when the number of pixels on screen grows.... |
| 23:43.14 | simmerz | Blissex: yes |
| 23:43.30 | Blissex | simmerz: then the fonts should become _smaller_ if you haven't configured things right. |
| 23:43.49 | Blissex | thiago: there is a big problem with X11 bitmaps fonts... |
| 23:44.08 | thiago | don't use bitmap fonts then |
| 23:44.14 | Blissex | simmerz: the font situation in X and windows is a huge huge mess. |
| 23:44.25 | canllaith | It's not so bad |
| 23:44.31 | simmerz | X and WindowsTM or windows with a little w? |
| 23:44.32 | Blissex | simmerz: there are two types of fonts: bitmaps and outline. |
| 23:44.34 | thiago | no, X handles it quite right |
| 23:44.38 | Blissex | simmerz: X |
| 23:44.47 | simmerz | Blissex: I'm using outline fonts |
| 23:44.49 | Blissex | thiago: X font handling is awful... |
| 23:44.50 | canllaith | If you have your dpi set correctly it's nice. |
| 23:44.50 | thiago | it's Windows that messes stuff up by not caring about DPI at al |
| 23:45.03 | canllaith | My fonts are beautiful and easy to install - no problems. |
| 23:45.10 | simmerz | thiago: I would expect that when my screen res gets bigger, the fonts get smaller to suit |
| 23:45.15 | Blissex | canllaith: it must be your pixie dust... |
| 23:45.27 | canllaith | No, it's called 'correctly configured X server' :P |
| 23:45.42 | Blissex | canllaith: it is impossible to correctly configure an X server for fonts... |
| 23:45.48 | canllaith | If you say so. |
| 23:45.52 | thiago | simmerz: exactly |
| 23:46.05 | thiago | simmerz: so that they keep the same physical size |
| 23:46.06 | canllaith | I can only say, I have no problems. They work beautifully for me. They look nice, they are nice to install and configure and everything works fine. |
| 23:46.07 | thiago | simmerz: wait, no |
| 23:46.12 | simmerz | thiago: but they dont. |
| 23:46.21 | thiago | simmerz: the fonts get bigger sizes in pixel, so that they keep the same physical size. |
| 23:46.34 | Blissex | canllaith: for example the PCF rasterizer force the DPI setting to be either 75 or 100, whatever the screen DPI is, and whatever the font DPI is./ |
| 23:46.40 | simmerz | you have a bigger viewport, which means you are theoretically looking from further away, which makes things smaller |
| 23:47.19 | thiago | simmerz: measure with a ruler the size of a 16pt font |
| 23:47.20 | straw | bitmap fonts are going away. deprecated, afaik |
| 23:47.27 | thiago | then change the resolution and measure again. |
| 23:47.31 | thiago | simmerz: it should be the same. |
| 23:48.05 | simmerz | thiago: but in the larger res, the font looks ugly somehow. |
| 23:48.17 | Sirus | thiago you know how to get an extended desktop going? |
| 23:48.38 | thiago | Sirus: huh? extended desktop? |
| 23:48.57 | simmerz | thiago: I've disabled 2048x1536 - was causing too much annoyance |
| 23:49.01 | Sirus | thiago yes 2 monitors sharing 1 desktop? |
| 23:49.09 | thiago | Sirus: Xinerama |
| 23:49.10 | canllaith | xinerama ? |
| 23:49.16 | Sirus | ? |
| 23:49.24 | thiago | Sirus: what you want is called Xinerama |
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| 23:49.36 | sarah03 | Sirus: Configure both displays in your X configuration, make sure they work, and then turn on Xinerama. |
| 23:49.37 | Sirus | Ahh ok |
| 23:49.50 | Sirus | hrmm |
| 23:49.56 | straw | don't forget twinview if it nvidia |
| 23:50.06 | Sirus | ATI Readeon |
| 23:50.12 | simmerz | following on from Sirus, is it possible to have two different desktops on two monitors? |
| 23:50.31 | thiago | yes |
| 23:50.32 | Blissex | Simkin: yes. |
| 23:50.35 | thiago | non-Xinerama mode |
| 23:50.36 | Blissex | oopes |
| 23:50.55 | simmerz | thiago: ok |
| 23:51.03 | thiago | suppose both monitors run at 1024x768 |
| 23:51.26 | thiago | your options are: 2x1024x768 or 1x2048x768 or 1x1024x1536 |
| 23:51.27 | straw | Sirus: ah, then yeah, you want xinerama unless you're using ati's closed source drivers |
| 23:52.07 | sarah03 | You want Xinerama if you're running 2 physically distinct video cards as well. |
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| 23:52.25 | sarah03 | Regardless of what drivers you're using. |
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| 23:55.21 | straw | and the final configuration file will need to be tweaked by hand, depending on your distro :) |
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| 23:57.23 | straw | some distros have a gui tool that will create a basic xinerama or multihead xorg.conf |
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