| 00:00.08 | canllaith | a bit of both |
| 00:00.15 | njaard | anyone like some cake? |
| 00:00.22 | jadrian | I have kdebase 3.3.2 and kdelibs 3.4 |
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| 00:00.28 | njaard | rich_B: you cannot spell diet without die |
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| 00:00.48 | canllaith | I think I've been stood up *sniff* |
| 00:00.55 | canllaith | I was going to skype with someone tonight but it doesn't look like he's home yet |
| 00:00.57 | rich_B | As long as I lose some kilo's, at least I will look fine in my coffin:-) |
| 00:01.05 | njaard | jadrian: khtml proper is entirely in kdelibs |
| 00:01.05 | canllaith | Man, I had no idea you could get stood up online ;) |
| 00:01.09 | MrPingouin | canllaith: kdedir is okay, qtdir is okay and i've runned kbuildsyscoa --noincrementalblah |
| 00:01.18 | canllaith | MrPingouin: still no joy? |
| 00:01.22 | MrPingouin | canllaith: kcontrol still doesnt' control anything :( |
| 00:01.25 | njaard | canllaith: that's because you're probably sitting down when on irc |
| 00:01.26 | Oleg_ | I remember how cool I felt when I kissed a girl on the cheek in high school. |
| 00:01.37 | canllaith | Try as another user, create an entirely new one and make sure KDEDIR/bin is in your PATH |
| 00:01.48 | MrPingouin | kdedir/bin is in my path |
| 00:01.51 | canllaith | and that QTDIR KDEDIR etc etc is fine |
| 00:01.56 | canllaith | New user :) |
| 00:01.59 | Oleg_ | I kissed girls on the cheek only to cool or to receive the sexual pleasure. |
| 00:02.03 | MrPingouin | I have a backup of my ~/.kde |
| 00:02.03 | jadrian | njaard: thank, nice :) |
| 00:02.19 | MrPingouin | when I mv .kde .kde_ it works... I guess |
| 00:02.21 | Oleg_ | only to look cool |
| 00:02.23 | Venson | canllaith: you checked out the lullaby quote on bash recently? |
| 00:02.26 | njaard | there's my new journal entry |
| 00:02.28 | MrPingouin | but I don't want to reconfigure everything ! |
| 00:02.28 | MrPingouin | :) |
| 00:02.30 | njaard | I feel relieved |
| 00:02.32 | canllaith | hahaha bad babies get rabies and have to be shot? |
| 00:02.36 | canllaith | I love that one |
| 00:02.36 | Venson | lol..yep |
| 00:02.43 | Venson | cracked me up too |
| 00:02.53 | canllaith | Can't wait to go back to Australia at christmas time to repeat that to my littlest brother ;) |
| 00:02.56 | Venson | i mean...i have nothing against babies or rabies or both or neither |
| 00:02.58 | Venson | or shooting |
| 00:03.15 | Oleg_ | It's like we men own women, this is what this custom is about. |
| 00:03.18 | Venson | canllaith: :O |
| 00:03.30 | Venson | Oleg_: wtf are you talking about? |
| 00:03.33 | canllaith | Oleg_: come on dude, can it. We all know where you rambling about this kinda rubbish gets you |
| 00:03.44 | canllaith | My foot, your ass, out the door. On topic please. |
| 00:03.50 | Oleg_ | ok |
| 00:03.55 | canllaith | :) |
| 00:03.58 | Venson | oh yeah...don't feed the pigeons |
| 00:03.59 | canllaith | So, how is your LFS going for you? |
| 00:04.10 | Oleg_ | Venson: can't say it. I gotta stay on topic |
| 00:04.21 | Venson | Oleg_: fair enough...let's move on |
| 00:04.30 | Oleg_ | canllaith: It's beautiful. I absolutely have ZERO problems with LFS. |
| 00:04.36 | canllaith | Nice to hear it :) |
| 00:04.40 | njaard | heh, I've had girls (yes! I know a couple) think I was a real weirdo because I said (honestly) that I didn't mind my hypothetical wife to keep their own last name |
| 00:04.48 | MrPingouin | canllaith: funny issue, with no more ~/.kde kde 3.4 starts okay, but the kcontrol still controls only gtk look and feel |
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| 00:04.57 | njaard | I'm allowed to be off topic |
| 00:04.59 | njaard | I'm channel founder :) |
| 00:05.13 | Venson | i'm allowed to be off |
| 00:05.16 | canllaith | njaard: indeed, although that wouldn't stop me trying to ban you ;) |
| 00:05.19 | canllaith | It just might stop it working :P:P |
| 00:05.27 | njaard | hehe |
| 00:05.29 | canllaith | ahahahaha bloody konversation has this stupid bug |
| 00:05.33 | canllaith | where it doesn't ban the person you right click on |
| 00:05.36 | canllaith | but some random other person |
| 00:05.40 | njaard | ah, that's a fun one |
| 00:05.41 | canllaith | so like, the day after you gave me ops I banned lauri :$ |
| 00:05.50 | njaard | nice shot! |
| 00:05.58 | canllaith | how embarrassing lolol |
| 00:06.05 | Venson | canllaith: that's sounds like an irc game...."Guess who's going to be banned next!" |
| 00:06.16 | njaard | heh, I used to do that |
| 00:06.17 | njaard | in here |
| 00:06.21 | canllaith | Venson: oh you're not wrong. I can't *believe* it picked lauri of all people. |
| 00:06.23 | njaard | I would have a random kicking of the day |
| 00:06.28 | canllaith | ahahaha |
| 00:06.35 | Venson | canllaith: hehe..she's a programmer dudette, innit? |
| 00:06.36 | Oleg_ | Speaking on the topic, I wonder if I should download the latest version of kmplayer. |
| 00:06.36 | njaard | this was a long time ago |
| 00:06.41 | njaard | when I had to pick someone manually |
| 00:06.46 | njaard | I didn't have a cool irc client bug to do it for me |
| 00:06.49 | canllaith | Venson: lauri ? She is *the* kde documamma |
| 00:06.58 | njaard | uh |
| 00:06.58 | njaard | innit |
| 00:06.59 | Venson | canllaith: i see |
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| 00:07.18 | canllaith | njaard: It's amazing how modern software makes things so much easier for us ;) |
| 00:07.28 | canllaith | ... and gives us a great excuse when the person comes back and whinges. |
| 00:07.45 | canllaith | lol Venson |
| 00:07.45 | Venson | is there a Zack Rusin in here? |
| 00:07.52 | njaard | Venson: no |
| 00:07.54 | canllaith | Nah, I've never seen him in here with us peons |
| 00:07.58 | njaard | Venson: he's on rarely, his nickname is zrusin |
| 00:08.14 | Venson | hmm.....this dude's sposed to give a talk in our college tomorrow...thought i'd find him in here |
| 00:08.16 | canllaith | Oh, nice! :) |
| 00:08.20 | canllaith | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/920 |
| 00:08.23 | Venson | njaard: ah ok...danke |
| 00:08.27 | canllaith | Three of my stylesheets are going in there :D |
| 00:08.39 | njaard | http://ktown.kde.org/~charles/bestofnh/p8240004.jpg |
| 00:08.42 | rich_B | ahh cvsup has finished |
| 00:08.46 | njaard | zrusin is the one facing away from the camera |
| 00:08.55 | canllaith | I find it amazingly freaky though that everything, absolutely everything I've done for KDE is in XML |
| 00:08.57 | MrPingouin | herm herm, someone under archlinux here ? |
| 00:09.08 | canllaith | njaard: Zack is the really cute one isn't he? |
| 00:09.21 | njaard | canllaith: I can't judge that, I'm male |
| 00:09.31 | canllaith | njaard: oh of course you can you just choose not to =p |
| 00:09.39 | njaard | no, really, I can't |
| 00:09.43 | canllaith | I can judge if females are cute or not...... |
| 00:09.44 | Oleg_ | I need to create a soap opera game for kde |
| 00:09.56 | njaard | canllaith: yeah, I can too |
| 00:10.17 | canllaith | Of course, I like girls about the same way you do so that's prolly not so surprising :) |
| 00:10.20 | njaard | canllaith: you know that I have an infatuation with a cartoon character? |
| 00:10.31 | canllaith | and oh my, he is terribly cute. |
| 00:10.35 | Venson | canllaith: the temp in this room is already high |
| 00:10.36 | canllaith | njaard: which? :) |
| 00:10.40 | njaard | second :) |
| 00:10.45 | Oleg_ | In soap opera, men are handsome |
| 00:10.51 | Oleg_ | and women are beautiful |
| 00:11.20 | Venson | the term beautiful can be applied to men too.....apparently, it was a controversial term to use for a long time |
| 00:11.22 | njaard | http://spray.nettavisen.no/kultur/tegneserie/nemi/ |
| 00:11.25 | njaard | the girl in black |
| 00:11.26 | njaard | Nemi |
| 00:11.27 | Tronic | Cuteness is in the eye of the viewer. However, I guess that one can learn to judge that from the POV of the majority, no matter which gender (s)he or the the target is. |
| 00:11.28 | Venson | that's evolution for ya |
| 00:11.29 | njaard | man, she's hot |
| 00:11.38 | njaard | if she were real, I'd track her down and marry her |
| 00:11.43 | Oleg_ | Venson: and I read somewhere handsome woman |
| 00:11.57 | njaard | she's sarcastic and a vegetarian |
| 00:11.58 | Oleg_ | the term handsome woman was applied in that book |
| 00:11.59 | njaard | she's made for me |
| 00:12.04 | canllaith | heh |
| 00:12.21 | canllaith | So that's what I'm doing wrong - I cook with meat and am nice to all the men I know |
| 00:12.30 | Tronic | I personally can somehow estimate the perceived cuteness of males by females by estimating how gay they look to me. |
| 00:12.36 | njaard | I like the headline though "Prince Charles marries his handsome steed" |
| 00:12.55 | njaard | I mean, I don't even have an opinion on her appearance, I just think the wording's funn |
| 00:12.57 | njaard | y |
| 00:13.12 | Oleg_ | It's good for a woman to be nice to men and for a man to be nice to women because they belong to opposite sexes. |
| 00:13.21 | canllaith | bille_dinner: aw, you didn't want the emoticons set I put together for hotnewstuff too? :( |
| 00:13.23 | njaard | I'm rude to everyone |
| 00:13.24 | canllaith | Tronic: LOL! |
| 00:13.27 | njaard | that's why people hate me |
| 00:13.44 | canllaith | njaard: you haven't been rude to me yet, so I reserve the right to like you in a grudging kinda way. |
| 00:13.47 | Oleg_ | and the beauty of belonging to different sexes is that a MAN and a WOMAN can fall in love like in a soap opera |
| 00:14.10 | njaard | canllaith: in person, I become almost a nice person, but then I'm just totally socially awkward |
| 00:14.25 | njaard | I mean, I'm socially awkward on IRC,yes, but in person, it's to a whole new level |
| 00:14.59 | njaard | canllaith: that's because I know you're a girl and I'm a sexist pig who will treat you in a domineering way like helping you cross streets |
| 00:15.00 | canllaith | Interesting. |
| 00:15.19 | canllaith | njaard: oh right. I'm probably taller and heavier than you are, so I wouldn't try it outside of irc =p |
| 00:15.30 | kbrooks | lol this is evil |
| 00:15.30 | Oleg_ | It's good to help a woman, and it's good to help a man |
| 00:15.34 | kbrooks | icon zooming |
| 00:15.40 | njaard | canllaith: that's unfair, everyone is taller and heavier than I |
| 00:15.44 | jadrian | is there a shortcut to go to the "search" adress bars? |
| 00:15.50 | canllaith | njaard: even aseigo ? :P |
| 00:15.54 | njaard | yes. |
| 00:15.57 | canllaith | *blink* |
| 00:15.59 | grepper | is Oleg_ looona transplanted to #kde ? |
| 00:16.14 | njaard | canllaith: 55kg, 120lb, 8.5st |
| 00:16.17 | njaard | pick your unit ;) |
| 00:16.23 | canllaith | Yikes. |
| 00:16.25 | Oleg_ | and loona means? |
| 00:16.44 | Oleg_ | 5'10? |
| 00:16.46 | Oleg_ | OMG |
| 00:16.46 | grepper | was a bot on #kde-users |
| 00:16.52 | canllaith | and before some skinny canadian or european tells me how fat I am |
| 00:16.52 | njaard | canllaith: your ability to not mix units is amusing |
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| 00:17.01 | Tronic | How tall is that in SI? |
| 00:17.04 | canllaith | We're *bigger* in Australia |
| 00:17.10 | njaard | that's about 178cm |
| 00:17.16 | canllaith | SI? Not sure. I'm 176cm |
| 00:17.20 | canllaith | *about* |
| 00:17.22 | njaard | no, no no |
| 00:17.25 | canllaith | I'm not 100% sure. |
| 00:17.33 | njaard | I'm exactly 175 and 5'9" |
| 00:17.37 | Oleg_ | canllaith: I miss slayerbob |
| 00:17.46 | canllaith | Oleg_: he's off drinking with his brother lol |
| 00:17.46 | njaard | and 2.54cm = 1in |
| 00:18.10 | njaard | ok |
| 00:18.10 | canllaith | njaard: that puts me at closer to 5'10 than anything else though. Or shall I pull out some fractions and decimal places? |
| 00:18.12 | njaard | 177cm |
| 00:18.18 | njaard | let's ask google |
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| 00:18.34 | njaard | 5 foot 10 inches = 177.8 centimeters |
| 00:18.36 | njaard | damn, I'm good |
| 00:18.37 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/fotos/dessa-outside-again.jpg <--- me and my gorgeous baby 12" laptop |
| 00:18.38 | njaard | I'm good |
| 00:18.39 | njaard | damn good |
| 00:19.03 | canllaith | njaard: ok so I'm 1.8CM off 5'10 so that makes me 5'9 and a bit. So we're more or less the same height give or take a cm |
| 00:19.06 | njaard | kunne ikke starte «kuickshow» |
| 00:19.38 | njaard | uno momento, gotta apt-get some stuff |
| 00:19.51 | grepper | heh, only on freenode would the geeks be drooling more about the laptop then the girl :P |
| 00:20.03 | canllaith | grepper: Hey, I know my laptop is sexier than I am |
| 00:20.03 | njaard | canllaith: is hot |
| 00:20.05 | Tronic | canllaith: Either way, you are probably taller than most Finnish male basketball players. |
| 00:20.07 | njaard | I mean her laptop |
| 00:20.08 | canllaith | I'm dealing with that. |
| 00:20.13 | grepper | hehe |
| 00:20.25 | canllaith | I'm not 12", 3.3lbs and silver! |
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| 00:20.35 | gregday | congrautlations on 3.4 :) |
| 00:20.36 | njaard | I'm sorry |
| 00:20.38 | canllaith | Tronic: prolly =p |
| 00:20.41 | kbrooks | ok |
| 00:20.46 | njaard | canllaith: you know that filter between your brain and your mouth? |
| 00:20.50 | Oleg_ | canllaith: OMG, I told you before that you were good looking and I am telling this again now. Not that I am an animal who only pays attention to good looks |
| 00:20.55 | canllaith | njaard: The one you were born without? :) |
| 00:21.11 | njaard | canllaith: the one that keeps you from saying things like "canllaith is hot" in front of canllaith? |
| 00:21.14 | njaard | yeah. yeah ;) |
| 00:21.17 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 00:21.23 | SteamedPenguin | heh heh |
| 00:21.29 | canllaith | That's a bad pic. Remind me to show you a good one next time I feel I need an ego boost |
| 00:21.32 | kbrooks | question |
| 00:21.37 | SteamedPenguin | that's a bad pic? |
| 00:21.44 | kbrooks | i need to create a new k menu |
| 00:21.44 | njaard | SteamedPenguin: glad you said it. |
| 00:22.04 | SteamedPenguin | I don't know if I could handle an average one, not to speak of a good one. |
| 00:22.15 | njaard | http://ktown.kde.org/~charles/fungalpower.jpg |
| 00:22.16 | njaard | that's me |
| 00:22.31 | njaard | I'm one sexie fungus |
| 00:22.40 | grepper | is that when you are excited ? |
| 00:22.46 | rich_B | fungus:) |
| 00:23.01 | SteamedPenguin | hey, look, /me takes fungues makes tomato, mozarella, mushroom salad |
| 00:23.14 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/canllaith-is-hot-kopete-says-so.png |
| 00:23.26 | njaard | SteamedPenguin: I've literally learned more in my kitchen than I have in my university the last two years |
| 00:23.32 | canllaith | According to kopete, I'm hot 3 times over. Look at all that hotnewstuff with my name on it ;) :P |
| 00:23.56 | Oleg_ | canllaith: and your face really has this soap opera feel, all you need is just more make up on your face |
| 00:24.07 | canllaith | Oleg_: I don't wear any makeup at all and I never have |
| 00:24.08 | Oleg_ | canllaith: and you would be totally a soap girl |
| 00:24.10 | canllaith | what a silly idea that stuff is |
| 00:24.11 | njaard | canllaith: I don't get it |
| 00:24.22 | njaard | canllaith: wowsers, that's without makeup? |
| 00:24.25 | canllaith | njaard: Kopete now has hotnewstuff, mostly populated with my stylesheets |
| 00:24.26 | njaard | canllaith: er, I mean: I see. |
| 00:24.35 | canllaith | njaard: lolol perhaps you can install a third party filter? |
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| 00:25.12 | SteamedPenguin | njaard: real women don't need makeup bud. :) |
| 00:25.45 | njaard | I really like my hair ;) |
| 00:25.50 | njaard | http://ktown.kde.org/~charles/headphones2.jpg |
| 00:26.03 | njaard | and I think eyebrows are really cool in general, not my own in particular |
| 00:26.04 | njaard | I must say |
| 00:26.07 | gregday | so we have khotnewstuff what about koldandbusted |
| 00:26.12 | Oleg_ | women should care if they are soap opera looking or not. Canllaith is soap opera looking, she just needs make up to be completely soapy. |
| 00:26.23 | Oleg_ | this is my standard of female beauty |
| 00:26.24 | canllaith | gregday: we already have that. It's called 'releases' |
| 00:26.24 | SteamedPenguin | gregday: koldandbusted resolves to gnome.org |
| 00:26.26 | njaard | canllaith: can we have an eyeball action shot of you? |
| 00:26.30 | gregday | SteamedPenguin: i was thinking that too :) |
| 00:26.35 | gregday | if canllaith is getting all soapy i want pictures |
| 00:26.39 | canllaith | njaard: lol .... erm... |
| 00:26.39 | njaard | Oleg_: you mean slutty? |
| 00:26.41 | canllaith | GREGDAY! |
| 00:26.53 | njaard | canllaith: totally serious, I am |
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| 00:26.57 | canllaith | you're lucky I'm laughing my ass off |
| 00:27.05 | canllaith | same place as all the rest |
| 00:27.07 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/fotos/ |
| 00:27.11 | bobbyz | are any of the kde download mirrors up with the 3.4 sources yet? |
| 00:27.12 | njaard | awesome |
| 00:27.23 | thiago | most of them, bobbyz |
| 00:27.26 | njaard | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/fotos/andrew_dessa.jpg |
| 00:27.28 | njaard | canllaith: you look welsh |
| 00:27.33 | bobbyz | none of the ones I've checked have kdevelop-3.2.0.tar.bz2 |
| 00:27.34 | canllaith | njaard: Close, scots :) |
| 00:27.35 | AnotherData_ | no slack packs yet :/ |
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| 00:27.51 | njaard | canllaith: oh, three vowels, my mistake ;) |
| 00:28.16 | SteamedPenguin | lol |
| 00:28.37 | njaard | canllaith: ooh, redhead :) |
| 00:28.42 | njaard | oooh.. snow :) |
| 00:28.47 | SteamedPenguin | lol |
| 00:29.11 | canllaith | I like snow :D |
| 00:29.16 | njaard | snow rocks |
| 00:29.21 | canllaith | That's my house in Hanmer Springs, it's a ski resort town in the south of New Zealand |
| 00:29.31 | canllaith | I'm in Wellington right now though :( No pretty snow here :( |
| 00:29.33 | Oleg_ | canllaith: now you look like a girl from the 1950s judging by andrew_dessa.jpg |
| 00:29.38 | mobtek | haha my sister is |--| close to asking me to put KDE on her work machine :) |
| 00:29.39 | canllaith | eheh |
| 00:29.46 | canllaith | That was the day after I went out sailing with the boys |
| 00:29.51 | njaard | sleepy andrew looks... sleepy |
| 00:29.55 | canllaith | My nose was *bright* red, like... kedit icon red |
| 00:29.58 | Desiac | deploying kde for a number of users, is there a tool that i can use to setup the profiles, like what applications they can run and their menu setout, basically just want to give them access to Open office |
| 00:30.00 | canllaith | Sepia hides that well ;) |
| 00:30.05 | canllaith | Desiac: kiosk! |
| 00:30.13 | thiago | bobbyz: I can see it in some of them |
| 00:30.15 | mobtek | I removed 239 objects off her machine yesterday, worms, trojas, virii etc hehehe |
| 00:30.18 | Desiac | canllaith: thnx |
| 00:30.19 | qfh | bobbyz: can you tell me mirrors that have the other 3.4 stuff? a torrent tracker would be fine as well... |
| 00:30.36 | Oleg_ | canllaith: and now I know your first name is Dessa. |
| 00:30.39 | canllaith | Desiac: http://people.fruitsalad.org/phil/kde/userguide-tng/locking-down-kde.html |
| 00:30.48 | canllaith | Oleg_: actually, it's not. That's a nickname my best friend gave me |
| 00:30.49 | qfh | ah got oen |
| 00:30.56 | canllaith | and for some strange reasons, all my male friends really like it |
| 00:30.59 | canllaith | and perpetuate it |
| 00:31.02 | njaard | canllaith gets my eye-rubberstamp-of-approval |
| 00:31.09 | mobtek | keke canllaith |
| 00:31.12 | canllaith | Thank you may I frame it and hang it on my wall? |
| 00:31.17 | njaard | of course |
| 00:31.24 | canllaith | As you can imagine, the opinion of random single males on IRC is *terribly* important to me :D |
| 00:31.59 | njaard | canllaith: I obviously need to learn how to talk to girls :) |
| 00:32.06 | gregday | Jes, right? |
| 00:32.12 | _jb | http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~tom7/csnotes/spring03/compiler-time.gif |
| 00:32.18 | canllaith | gregday: yes :) |
| 00:32.32 | gregday | i gain +2 stalker pts |
| 00:32.36 | canllaith | njaard: lol I'm just teasing, if I wasn't sarcastic occasionally the guys in here would walk all over me |
| 00:32.43 | canllaith | gregday: there is actually a canllaith stalkers club yknow |
| 00:32.48 | mobtek | gregday: hahaha |
| 00:32.49 | canllaith | It currently has... 3 members? |
| 00:32.53 | njaard | canllaith: see, I believe you're being totally honest |
| 00:32.59 | mobtek | canllaith: I'm in that club too :P |
| 00:33.13 | canllaith | mobtek: oh wow, you should ask brucehoult for a membership badge next time he's in here |
| 00:33.16 | canllaith | and not reading over my shoulder, laughing. |
| 00:33.19 | canllaith | Yes, you. |
| 00:33.32 | Oleg_ | canllaith: me_no_sleep.jpg. There is make up on your face! |
| 00:33.33 | mobtek | http://www.mobtek.net/images/intensemobtek.jpg <-- mobtek finding out where canllaith lives |
| 00:33.39 | canllaith | Oleg_: No, there isn't any at all |
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| 00:33.43 | njaard | hey, everyone, switch your irc client to utf8 :) |
| 00:33.43 | mobtek | canllaith: kewl :P |
| 00:34.06 | mobtek | njaard: already is :) |
| 00:34.10 | njaard | ok, good |
| 00:34.13 | njaard | ♪ |
| 00:34.19 | njaard | I'm just enjoying this song |
| 00:34.21 | canllaith | Oleg_: no makeup, and being awake for 24 hours too. |
| 00:34.29 | njaard | mobtek: wow, you're interested ;) |
| 00:34.30 | Oleg_ | canllaith: ok |
| 00:34.33 | bobbyz | qfh: the one I found that finally had most of the 3.4 stuff is http://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/kde/stable/3.4/src/ |
| 00:34.41 | mobtek | njaard: hehehehe |
| 00:34.46 | mobtek | bobbyz: is that a gentoo? |
| 00:35.03 | qfh | bobbyz: i just figured that i probably need a gentoo distfiles mirror with kde 3.4... |
| 00:35.04 | canllaith | mobtek: omg that is just *classic* |
| 00:35.11 | njaard | mobtek: #kde-devel is practically entirely utf8, which is good, because I addde lots of stuff to my keymap, like ∫, ſ, √ and π :) |
| 00:35.16 | Oleg_ | canllaith: Andrew is a lucky boy because he's with you. |
| 00:35.21 | mobtek | hahah that was a 04:30 when my mate claire was on E |
| 00:35.26 | mobtek | I was keeping her company |
| 00:35.28 | mobtek | :P |
| 00:35.33 | canllaith | ok so we have.... 4 members now. Gosh. I'm getting popular! |
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| 00:35.37 | mobtek | hence why I look sooooo knackered |
| 00:35.41 | canllaith | mobtek: lol ok |
| 00:36.10 | jcurry | anyone for a bit of #trivia? |
| 00:36.16 | newcomer | njaard, how did u type the integral, root and pi signs |
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| 00:36.26 | bobbyz | qfh: not a gentoo mirror, but you can hand-grab the files into /usr/portage/distfiles |
| 00:36.31 | njaard | newcomer: custom keymap :) |
| 00:36.37 | njaard | hey |
| 00:36.42 | njaard | found my camera! |
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| 00:37.06 | qfh | bobbyz: yep i hoped i could just set GENTOO_MIRRORS accordingly |
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| 00:37.55 | Oleg_ | I also want to have a good girlfriend |
| 00:38.05 | njaard | heh, oleg has more social disfunction than me |
| 00:38.07 | Oleg_ | I want her to be good and smart |
| 00:38.12 | njaard | and that's not easy.. |
| 00:38.14 | canllaith | njaard: you don't know the half of it baby |
| 00:38.24 | jcurry | anyone for a bit of #trivia? |
| 00:38.25 | canllaith | Oleg_: yknow, you should try just walking up to a girl and saying 'Hey, lookin for a fun time?' |
| 00:38.30 | canllaith | 99 out of 100 will slap you.... |
| 00:38.35 | njaard | canllaith: what, he's a frequenter of #kde? |
| 00:38.37 | canllaith | but heck, that leaves 1 |
| 00:38.43 | Oleg_ | canllaith: muhahahaha |
| 00:39.17 | MrPingouin | how do you launch the utility of the "new user" ? |
| 00:39.24 | njaard | kpersonalizer |
| 00:39.26 | mobtek | canllaith: the line "Hi, wanna make out?" has worked too many times :P |
| 00:39.28 | MrPingouin | thx |
| 00:39.35 | canllaith | mobtek: hahaha but you're Australian! |
| 00:39.41 | canllaith | Shouldn't it be 'Hey love, you after a fuck?' |
| 00:39.45 | canllaith | Or even better |
| 00:39.53 | canllaith | 'Wanna root?' |
| 00:39.54 | Oleg_ | muhahaha |
| 00:39.54 | njaard | I bet that'd work a lot better if the person who said it were female |
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| 00:40.00 | Dhraakellian | now, just because that one girl won't slap him doesn't mean that she won't do something worse |
| 00:40.08 | Dhraakellian | major deja vu |
| 00:40.10 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: shhhhhhhh |
| 00:40.16 | mobtek | haha canllaith |
| 00:40.31 | mobtek | canllaith: and I'm married :P |
| 00:40.40 | mobtek | j/k'ing :P |
| 00:40.42 | njaard | that's the way to really get girls |
| 00:40.50 | njaard | "Hi, wanna make out?" |
| 00:40.54 | njaard | ... "And I'm married" |
| 00:40.56 | Oleg_ | This is how I'll become involved with someone. First, I will get to know that special someone, and then... |
| 00:40.59 | canllaith | ahahahaa yes |
| 00:41.00 | mobtek | njaard: scarily though, the wedding ring really works |
| 00:41.05 | canllaith | my ex husband still wears his wedding right out clubbing |
| 00:41.11 | canllaith | because, women throw themselves at him when he's wearing it |
| 00:41.14 | njaard | mobtek: I thought that was just fiction |
| 00:41.14 | mobtek | haha canllaith BINGO |
| 00:41.22 | Oleg_ | I want to have the kind of love that exists in the movie. |
| 00:41.41 | mobtek | njaard: nope, it's weird I am like totally oblivious of it then claire or elaine go hahahahahah at me not even noticing half the time |
| 00:42.02 | mobtek | Oleg_: hopefully not the sort of movie that involves gimp masks :P |
| 00:42.14 | Oleg_ | oh my God, I sound so dumb to myself! |
| 00:42.16 | mobtek | and bec my wife just glares :P |
| 00:42.23 | canllaith | lol |
| 00:42.24 | Oleg_ | mobtek: hehe |
| 00:42.29 | njaard | #kde is a lot more fun than #kde-devel, I must say |
| 00:42.29 | canllaith | I remember trying to *give* Drew away at a pub |
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| 00:42.43 | jcurry | njaard, #trivia is even better :) |
| 00:42.49 | canllaith | "Me? I'm his wife. No, don't mind me. Keep going, look if you *really* want him to follow you home just tell him you can cook" |
| 00:42.53 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 00:42.59 | Dhraakellian | #idlerpg is where it's at |
| 00:43.09 | canllaith | Didn't work though :( |
| 00:43.26 | Oleg_ | 2pac f....d many women |
| 00:43.32 | Oleg_ | that's what I read |
| 00:43.39 | Oleg_ | the BLACK MAN is GOD |
| 00:44.11 | njaard | I have a little experiment |
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| 00:44.15 | Dhraakellian | he has root? |
| 00:44.16 | Oleg_ | One of my favorite 2pac's songs is Hell For a Hustla |
| 00:44.47 | mobtek | njaard: does this cloth smell of Chloroform? <-- best pick up line EVA! |
| 00:44.49 | njaard | A professionally designed UK social survey questionnaires dealing with human behaviour |
| 00:45.10 | njaard | mobtek: "would you like this bottle of chloroform" ? :) |
| 00:45.47 | Oleg_ | canllaith: Do you think a woman is just a sexual prize for a man, or is she something more to him? |
| 00:46.08 | mobtek | haha njaard |
| 00:46.09 | canllaith | Do you think that's the most ridiculous leading question of the year, or will someone manage to top it ? |
| 00:46.17 | jcurry | lol |
| 00:46.19 | Oleg_ | because 2pac has mixed opionions about it |
| 00:46.26 | njaard | canllaith: answer it ;) |
| 00:46.30 | Dhraakellian | what's changed between 3.4 rc1 and 3.4 final? |
| 00:46.34 | canllaith | He doesn't have breasts. I'm not so interested in his opinion on the subject. |
| 00:46.45 | njaard | Dhraakellian: fewer bugs? ;) |
| 00:46.52 | Oleg_ | In his song, Me And My Girlfriend, he actually says that woman is not just a sexual prize, but a LOT more |
| 00:46.53 | Dhraakellian | hehheh |
| 00:46.53 | canllaith | and my answer is, I'm more than a sexual prize to a real man. |
| 00:46.59 | njaard | Dhraakellian: and all the bugs we fixed were called "showstoppers" if that's a hint |
| 00:47.02 | Oleg_ | that women are kind and sweet |
| 00:47.04 | canllaith | Little boys can think what they like. |
| 00:47.17 | canllaith | Oleg_: well, that's terribly nice of him I'm sure. |
| 00:47.24 | jcurry | Dhraakellian, show-stoppers, duh :) |
| 00:47.32 | njaard | Rap Shmrap |
| 00:47.56 | njaard | if the music isn't a person shouting at the top of his lungs about death |
| 00:48.03 | njaard | ... then there's just no point |
| 00:48.14 | canllaith | [13:44] <mobtek> njaard: does this cloth smell of Chloroform? <-- best pick up line EVA! |
| 00:48.22 | Oleg_ | "nigga, my girlfriend" |
| 00:48.24 | canllaith | Jesus, don't tell me you frequent the pubs on Hindley St :| |
| 00:48.31 | canllaith | Where are you again? |
| 00:48.33 | mobtek | hahaha nope |
| 00:48.35 | mobtek | Canberra |
| 00:48.38 | canllaith | Ahhhhhhh ok :) |
| 00:48.39 | Oleg_ | "all I need on a bloody day is me and my girlfriend" |
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| 00:48.47 | mobtek | I frequent the Wig & Pen and The PotBelly |
| 00:48.55 | mobtek | WIG! |
| 00:49.00 | mobtek | best pub ever :P |
| 00:49.00 | canllaith | Never been drinking in Canberra |
| 00:49.15 | mobtek | mates from sydney came down and I took them to the WIg |
| 00:49.16 | Oleg_ | I became fascinated by blacks in high school |
| 00:49.20 | canllaith | Don't go out drinking much actually these days. I kinda wore off the novelty of drinking too much and dancing on tables before I was legal to do so |
| 00:49.26 | mobtek | and they are like, wow this is nice, a real pub, we don't have this in sydney kekekek |
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| 00:49.36 | njaard | "Old, old medieval ballad. Rike Rodenigår is out riding horses with his kids, when he meets a sinister, cruel eagle. The eagle demands of Rike to give to him his children, or else Rike will be thrown misfortune upon. The song is about Rike trying to trick the eagle into believing that he is not the father of the children, and thus avoiding losing them to the eagle." |
| 00:49.42 | njaard | and that's the summary of this beautiful song |
| 00:49.46 | Oleg_ | because they seemed to be naturally cool unlike whites and whites were too much peer-pressured |
| 00:50.18 | njaard | Oleg_: you seriously think there's any real difference between anyone? |
| 00:50.27 | Oleg_ | njaard: no |
| 00:50.28 | mobtek | damn cvs konvi |
| 00:50.38 | Oleg_ | only racial differences, that's all |
| 00:50.51 | Oleg_ | I judge a person by his personality, not his color |
| 00:51.14 | mobtek | Oleg_: racial differences really are skin deep, physically things such as races do not exist anymore |
| 00:51.30 | mobtek | and haven't for quite some time |
| 00:51.33 | Oleg_ | mobtek: absolutely |
| 00:51.34 | njaard | Oleg_: define "race" -- you'll find that there's just no such thing |
| 00:51.37 | canllaith | mmmm |
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| 00:51.47 | Oleg_ | njaard: you're right too |
| 00:52.26 | Oleg_ | But an average black male's height in the States is six feet |
| 00:52.39 | Oleg_ | and a white male's average height is only 5'10 |
| 00:52.42 | Oleg_ | as far as I know |
| 00:52.56 | njaard | and...? |
| 00:53.19 | Oleg_ | that means that I admire tall people |
| 00:53.40 | mobtek | haha |
| 00:53.46 | njaard | Oleg is really weird |
| 00:53.56 | njaard | and I know quite a bit about weird |
| 00:53.57 | Oleg_ | o |
| 00:54.10 | Oleg_ | canllaith: you also think I am weird? |
| 00:54.40 | canllaith | Oleg_: most definitely, there is no doubt. |
| 00:55.01 | Oleg_ | canllaith: I will become normal |
| 00:55.14 | njaard | Oleg_: maybe you just enjoy being weird on IRC because you're so damn normal and average in real life? |
| 00:55.15 | Dhraakellian | there is no normal |
| 00:55.24 | Dhraakellian | except for 90 degrees |
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| 00:55.35 | eisregen | hi ^^ |
| 00:55.48 | njaard | Dhraakellian: not 90° but cross-product |
| 00:55.48 | Oleg_ | In real life, I also consider myself weird |
| 00:56.10 | njaard | :þ |
| 00:56.40 | eisregen | mDNS <- do I have to install this before compiling KDE ? I've managed to compile it ... but there is no install target ... ls |
| 00:57.01 | njaard | eisregen: it is not critical |
| 00:57.04 | Oleg_ | o, I haven't used xmms in a LONG time, but now I'm gonna use it |
| 00:57.21 | njaard | eisregen: I don't have it... |
| 00:57.22 | Oleg_ | Be back, people, I wanna listen to music |
| 00:57.38 | eisregen | njaard: yes ... but I would like to have the features provided by it ^^ |
| 00:57.57 | njaard | eisregen: well, it's just part of my distro.. what can I say ;) |
| 00:58.02 | njaard | don't know how to install it.. |
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| 00:58.28 | njaard | hi sadeagle :) |
| 00:58.33 | SadEagle | hi njaard |
| 00:58.41 | njaard | what brings you here? |
| 00:58.50 | njaard | hmmm |
| 00:58.51 | njaard | 1AM |
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| 00:58.54 | njaard | time for a cup of tea |
| 00:59.13 | SadEagle | too tired to do research-type thinking.. might as well help people |
| 00:59.26 | njaard | help oleg |
| 00:59.29 | njaard | he needs it :) |
| 00:59.45 | njaard | I'm only here because I'm bored and curious about what people want to say about 3.4 |
| 00:59.52 | SadEagle | is he vessh'iy? |
| 00:59.58 | canllaith | oh well, if that's what you wanted |
| 01:00.08 | canllaith | Multiple macintosh users have told me they think 3.4 is getting pretty nice |
| 01:00.14 | canllaith | one of them raves about how nice the fonts look now :) |
| 01:00.23 | canllaith | and from a mac user, that's high praise. He loves his KDE 3.4 |
| 01:00.26 | SadEagle | canllaith: that's interesting. |
| 01:00.33 | mobtek | heheh |
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| 01:00.47 | mobtek | why of why is OpenOffice suddenly segfaulting |
| 01:00.53 | canllaith | SadEagle: KDE + linux in general |
| 01:01.16 | eisregen | holy shit |
| 01:01.25 | eisregen | 3kb/s |
| 01:01.28 | SadEagle | might be FreeType going on a "may be I should work well again" mood swing, then |
| 01:01.41 | canllaith | Slackware fonts are always gorgeous |
| 01:01.42 | SadEagle | nice timing for dirk to pull anoncvs down for maintenance ;-) |
| 01:01.51 | canllaith | Although, 9.1 was far better than 10.1 |
| 01:02.08 | canllaith | I switched him from Mandrake KDE 3.2.3 to Slackware 10 KDE 3.4 beta |
| 01:02.16 | canllaith | So I guess that's also a large jump in features, usability etc |
| 01:02.23 | AnotherData__ | anybody find any slackware packages for kde 3.4 yet? |
| 01:02.32 | Oleg_ | my niggas make the papers, baby, my niggas make the front page |
| 01:02.48 | njaard | vessh'iy ? |
| 01:02.53 | eisregen | canllaith: ah .. a slackware user ... have you bothered/managed installing mDNS ? |
| 01:03.07 | njaard | SadEagle: ah, you noticed that too? ;) |
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| 01:03.16 | Oleg_ | and I didn't say it to attract someone's attention |
| 01:03.18 | canllaith | eisregen: Nah. |
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| 01:03.23 | eisregen | k ^^ |
| 01:03.39 | DeuX | mobtek: in the opendialog ? |
| 01:03.58 | DeuX | mobtek: is it seg faulting when you try to save and open a file ? |
| 01:04.00 | SadEagle | njaard: well, I particularly loved how it decided to draw a random vertical line in the y glyph for some releases |
| 01:04.09 | njaard | SadEagle: that's a new one |
| 01:04.31 | eisregen | the patch in the 3.4 src dir (/stable/3.4/src/kdepim-fix-imap-resource-type.diff) ... is it for 3.4 or is it already applied ? |
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| 01:04.47 | njaard | SadEagle: I love how it randomly performs AA on completely vertical lines |
| 01:04.48 | DeuX | njaard: I find that 3.4 is pleasant to eyes :) |
| 01:05.16 | mjunkiexl | Does anybody have any tricks to make the external taskbar transparent? I'd really appreciate any tips to get it transparent. |
| 01:05.20 | DeuX | I like the improvement in KPDF |
| 01:05.37 | eisregen | yes KPD rulez =D |
| 01:05.47 | Oleg_ | I am black |
| 01:06.00 | eisregen | only needs support for forms and i can dump that stupid adobe thing =D |
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| 01:06.28 | DeuX | I can copy and paste from pdf now :) |
| 01:06.44 | mobtek | DeuX: nope starting up |
| 01:06.48 | eisregen | DeuX: I liked the little darker blue theme from beta2 better ... =( |
| 01:07.22 | njaard | I think I want to make the splashscreen for KDE 3.5 beta again |
| 01:07.28 | njaard | maybe this time I'll do a summer theme :) |
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| 01:09.01 | DeuX | well... the color doesn't really matter I think |
| 01:09.30 | njaard | our dialog boxes and applications are too complex |
| 01:09.33 | njaard | that's my gripe |
| 01:09.40 | DeuX | really ? |
| 01:09.40 | thiago | njaard: shouldn't it be autumn? |
| 01:09.46 | thiago | "before the freeze" ? |
| 01:09.48 | njaard | but how do you fix that without removing features or configurability? |
| 01:10.06 | Oleg_ | hey, does anyone remember how to increase the volume in timidity? |
| 01:10.07 | DeuX | s/is/are |
| 01:10.22 | canllaith | I have a small page I did up of new features when beta 1 came out |
| 01:10.26 | njaard | thiago: the last picture was taken in winter, and my next will be when I'm in california in the summer :) |
| 01:10.29 | canllaith | if anyone is interested |
| 01:10.36 | Oleg_ | Kmid should include timidity |
| 01:10.50 | DeuX | canllaith: just paste the link here |
| 01:11.12 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/kde-3.4/ |
| 01:11.31 | biquillo | hi, how can i use kcompmgr features? i switchted on Use translucency/shadows but nothing happens |
| 01:11.35 | canllaith | I love that konqueror photo gallery plugin. It generates clean, nice html that's easy to read and modify .... |
| 01:11.42 | canllaith | biquillo: you need to either restart KDE or manually run kompmgr |
| 01:11.53 | canllaith | It doesn't apply straight away. |
| 01:11.54 | njaard | canllaith: I was the one to remove support for non-xhtml from that :) |
| 01:12.01 | Oleg_ | people, tell me how to increase the volume in timidity |
| 01:12.06 | biquillo | ok |
| 01:12.20 | canllaith | njaard: well, it generates beautiful html. It is the *only* tool that generates html that I'll use. At all. Other tools annoy me. |
| 01:12.32 | Oleg_ | MY BIGGEST WISH IS FOR KDE 3.5 TO INCLUDE TIMIDITY INSIDE KMID |
| 01:12.38 | biquillo | thx canllaith but i think i dont have any binary file of kompmgr |
| 01:12.42 | njaard | canllaith: I want to remove how it requires me to enforce a font |
| 01:12.43 | Oleg_ | KMID and timidity should be merged |
| 01:12.52 | canllaith | biquillo: You should have, check your PATH |
| 01:13.00 | canllaith | njaard: yeah, I prefer not to specify a font at all. |
| 01:13.07 | biquillo | ok |
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| 01:13.15 | njaard | canllaith: maybe I'll get around to it |
| 01:13.22 | canllaith | heh gosh, it took me *ages* to take those kicker tooltip screenshots |
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| 01:14.05 | biquillo | canllaith: i find it with locate :D thx its works really nice!! |
| 01:14.06 | njaard | canllaith: and I want to make a text input box for adding captions |
| 01:14.11 | canllaith | biquillo: cool :) |
| 01:14.15 | canllaith | njaard: ooh, that would be nice |
| 01:14.49 | njaard | canllaith: I had to (!!!) read the source code to figure out how the caption thing worked |
| 01:14.51 | njaard | and how to use it |
| 01:14.57 | canllaith | lol sounds like me and kconfig_compiler.... |
| 01:15.11 | njaard | oh, I don't know how to use that :) |
| 01:15.34 | njaard | ... I predate that party of kdelibs and haven't written a dialog box since it was introduced ;) |
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| 01:15.40 | canllaith | No-one seems to agree on how to use that =p |
| 01:15.41 | njaard | s/party/part/ |
| 01:16.27 | canllaith | mmmm this is the thing that impressed me the most: http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/kde-3.4/kdepim.png |
| 01:16.34 | canllaith | Well, lots of things have impressed me |
| 01:16.43 | njaard | kde apps really are integrated |
| 01:16.48 | njaard | more than I've ever seen |
| 01:16.50 | canllaith | That is just so *nice* though, kudo's to kdepim/kopete guys for just tightening that integration a wee bit more |
| 01:16.51 | njaard | anywhere |
| 01:16.52 | DeuX | nods nods |
| 01:16.55 | canllaith | It's fantastic, it makes so much transparent to the user |
| 01:16.59 | DeuX | I like the translucent windows :) |
| 01:17.19 | DeuX | and konqueror akregator is fantastic too |
| 01:17.40 | canllaith | Although the thing I'm most impresed with |
| 01:17.45 | canllaith | is how far kontact has come as a groupware solution |
| 01:17.54 | canllaith | lauri, phil and I have shared to do lists and calenders for docs |
| 01:17.58 | canllaith | It's great |
| 01:18.13 | canllaith | Not only do I see what they're up to, because it's imap and stored on the kolab server I can access it anywhere |
| 01:18.18 | DeuX | KNewsTicker should merge with Akregator :( |
| 01:18.43 | DeuX | canllaith: what groupware server are you using ? |
| 01:18.47 | njaard | DeuX: lots of the code is shared... |
| 01:18.51 | canllaith | DeuX: Kolab v 2 |
| 01:18.59 | DeuX | canllaith: ah... |
| 01:18.59 | dwango | ugh |
| 01:19.14 | dwango | this splitting up of KDE in gentoo is horrible |
| 01:19.16 | Oleg_ | yo, how do I increase the f.....ing volume in timidity? |
| 01:19.31 | DeuX | njaard: yes... but I just run a test now... it seems like Akregator doesn't use the same news source as KNewsTicker |
| 01:19.58 | Goose | has kopete been fixed yet? |
| 01:20.02 | DeuX | Oleg_: no idea... didn't use it myself... but didn't changing the volume in kmix do the trick ? |
| 01:20.11 | DeuX | Goose: what problem do you have with kopete ? |
| 01:20.31 | canllaith | Goose: Ullo there. |
| 01:20.33 | Goose | it would never show my own addy in aim, tabbed windows were weird |
| 01:20.40 | Oleg_ | DeUX: no |
| 01:20.40 | Goose | ullo canllaith =) |
| 01:20.51 | canllaith | How's der SuperGoose? |
| 01:21.00 | DeuX | Goose: uh... never use it untill that complex... |
| 01:21.09 | Goose | weird = each tab preserved their own sizes |
| 01:21.13 | mobtek | canllaith: how did you get nice big user pics in kopete? or is that just in final? |
| 01:21.22 | Goose | supergoose has been axed =) |
| 01:21.23 | canllaith | mobtek: that has been there my friend for months |
| 01:21.34 | mobtek | canllaith: ok weird |
| 01:21.42 | canllaith | mobtek: Basically, you set your buddy list to show detailed view with contact photos |
| 01:21.55 | canllaith | Then I assign all my contacts to a person in the addressbook |
| 01:21.56 | mobtek | canllaith: OOHHH |
| 01:21.59 | canllaith | and set a photo for them in the addressbook :) |
| 01:22.00 | mobtek | found it |
| 01:22.02 | mobtek | kekekek |
| 01:22.08 | canllaith | So I get to *choose* the pic I want for them, which is nice :) |
| 01:22.11 | Goose | i wish they'd fix their basic problems in kopete... irc used to crash all the time |
| 01:22.43 | Goose | and did logging even work? |
| 01:22.53 | canllaith | Yeah it's worked for ages. |
| 01:22.58 | canllaith | Bit slow when it hits the disk though |
| 01:23.13 | Goose | irc used to crash if i left it on for more than a day |
| 01:23.24 | mobtek | Goose: use Konversation :P |
| 01:23.37 | Goose | but then i don't get integration =) |
| 01:23.43 | Goose | konversation? |
| 01:23.51 | mobtek | ok something is chewing swap again |
| 01:23.53 | mobtek | so weird |
| 01:24.01 | mobtek | happening during an emerge |
| 01:24.14 | Goose | kde is almost perfect... that's what bugs me... |
| 01:25.03 | Goose | and did konqueror get any upgrades on the ad, java, and flash blocking side of things? |
| 01:25.34 | mobtek | hehe Goose |
| 01:25.41 | mobtek | Goose: irc client :) |
| 01:25.59 | Goose | what about ksirc? |
| 01:26.00 | DeuX | Goose: or KVIrc :) |
| 01:26.16 | mobtek | DeuX: don't make me have you killed :) |
| 01:26.23 | mobtek | :P |
| 01:26.27 | Goose | yea ksirc craps out after a while on my distro not sure if it's the compilation or what |
| 01:26.49 | mobtek | DeuX: I really hate that irc client hehe |
| 01:27.06 | Goose | use naim =) |
| 01:27.20 | Goose | it's been running non-stop for 17 days :D |
| 01:27.25 | canllaith | Goose: Konqueror has always blocked popup adds.... |
| 01:27.26 | canllaith | ads* |
| 01:27.35 | Goose | not the clever new flash ads |
| 01:27.47 | canllaith | mmm ok. I have flash disabled globablly cause it shits me |
| 01:27.54 | Goose | ah ok |
| 01:27.56 | mobtek | I liek teh flash |
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| 01:28.00 | canllaith | and wow, wasn't that a mess when kbinaryviewer ended up as the default app for all/allapps??? |
| 01:28.01 | mobtek | cept for that jabber ad :P |
| 01:28.02 | DeuX | mobtek: really ? |
| 01:28.08 | DeuX | it's not really that bad you know |
| 01:28.10 | cbb | just installed kde 3.4, but my konqueror still says "K Desktop Environment. Release 3.4.0 Level "a" "...what to do? |
| 01:28.22 | Goose | me wants firefox like behavior on konqueror |
| 01:28.22 | mobtek | DeuX: what the interface is sane now? |
| 01:28.27 | canllaith | Any flash got downloaded then showed in the embedded binary viewer :| Annoying |
| 01:28.39 | DeuX | huh? |
| 01:28.52 | Goose | adblock, flashblock and like =) |
| 01:28.53 | DeuX | mobtek: still a bit bloated |
| 01:28.55 | Oleg_ | level a? |
| 01:28.57 | mobtek | DeuX: the gui was an absolute mess the last time I looked |
| 01:29.12 | cbb | Oleg_: yes...I had the alpha installed before |
| 01:29.14 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/kopete-addressbook-chooser.png |
| 01:29.17 | canllaith | Integration is so cool |
| 01:29.28 | DeuX | maybe because I don't use most of it :) so it doesn't really matter |
| 01:29.30 | Oleg_ | so rm -r .kde |
| 01:29.34 | canllaith | No |
| 01:29.36 | Oleg_ | and start kde again |
| 01:29.37 | canllaith | Don't rm -r anything |
| 01:29.46 | canllaith | Oleg_: don't ask people to do damaging things to their data please. |
| 01:29.51 | Oleg_ | ok |
| 01:29.53 | DeuX | mobtek: conversation doesn't come with irc through ssl when I started using KVIrc |
| 01:29.56 | canllaith | mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-bak is better. |
| 01:30.01 | cbb | Oleg_: Won't I lose my "custom" KDE settings? |
| 01:30.03 | DeuX | now I simply doesn't bother to change |
| 01:30.08 | canllaith | cbb: Yes you will, don't do it. |
| 01:30.11 | mobtek | DeuX: yeah ssl irc would be nice in konvi |
| 01:30.18 | mobtek | but thats what ssh forwarding is for :) |
| 01:30.24 | DeuX | mobtek: konversation does have it now rite? |
| 01:30.26 | njaard | canllaith: I like how all your pictures are totally unrelated to their associated person :) |
| 01:30.30 | cbb | canllaith: so what do you suggest? |
| 01:30.32 | Goose | fish: doesnt work too well either in 3.3 |
| 01:30.39 | Goose | it wouldn't follow links |
| 01:30.41 | DeuX | I remember reading konvi having irc through ssl |
| 01:30.42 | canllaith | njaard: what do you mean? :P |
| 01:30.53 | Goose | links = symbolic links |
| 01:31.07 | canllaith | Fish follows symbolic links here... interesting. |
| 01:31.17 | Goose | which rev? |
| 01:31.19 | Goose | 3.4? |
| 01:31.25 | mobtek | DeuX: ahh really? using cvs #2075 here |
| 01:31.27 | canllaith | Yeah, but I've been using fish for quite a while. |
| 01:31.33 | Goose | i'm still using 3.3 |
| 01:31.37 | Goose | and it does not work |
| 01:31.46 | Goose | atleast it's fixed in 3.4 |
| 01:31.47 | DeuX | mobtek: let me see the version that I have |
| 01:31.48 | Goose | =) |
| 01:31.50 | mobtek | hmm maybe it was kaffeine using the swpa with a paused dvd |
| 01:31.52 | mobtek | weird |
| 01:32.21 | njaard | could someone read for me a nice bedtime story? |
| 01:32.28 | DeuX | Goose: fish has never been a problem for me |
| 01:32.32 | canllaith | Once apon a time, there was a magical land called KDE. |
| 01:32.38 | DeuX | since 3.2 all the way to 3.4 |
| 01:32.39 | Goose | that's the only problem with fish |
| 01:32.44 | Goose | symbolic links |
| 01:32.54 | Goose | shows up as a little file |
| 01:33.01 | canllaith | KDE was such a magical and beautiful land, that sometimes trolls from the evil land of osnews would try to come and disturb their serenity..... |
| 01:33.14 | njaard | ooh, a villian! |
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| 01:33.21 | njaard | villain |
| 01:33.31 | Tpo1 | I'm bug hunting tonight... Its bug-hunt night |
| 01:33.37 | canllaith | Telling them they needed to be more 'user-centric' |
| 01:33.48 | mobtek | hehe I just love smb:/ :P |
| 01:33.50 | mobtek | so handy |
| 01:33.52 | canllaith | Waving torches and pitchforks |
| 01:33.55 | DeuX | Good always triumph againts evil :) in the long run |
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| 01:34.11 | mobtek | hahah canllaith |
| 01:34.22 | Goose | does 3.4 have a 2.6 kern conf interface? |
| 01:34.38 | canllaith | So KDE raised up powerful wizards to go and smite the evil trolls, in an epic battle warred in digitally encoded characters called 'email' |
| 01:34.41 | njaard | but it's scary! I hope it doesn't give me nightmares |
| 01:34.51 | DeuX | Changes in 0.15: |
| 01:34.53 | DeuX | Improved settings dialog. |
| 01:34.55 | DeuX | New network based server settings. |
| 01:34.57 | DeuX | SSL IRC server support. |
| 01:35.03 | canllaith | The most powerful of this wizards was called Waldo, and he had a pointy hat ;) |
| 01:35.06 | DeuX | mobtek: there you have it :) |
| 01:35.08 | canllaith | s/this/these/ |
| 01:35.13 | Tpo1 | How come kde shuts down so fast? |
| 01:35.25 | Goose | rm -Rf |
| 01:35.28 | Goose | that's the secret |
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| 01:35.35 | Tpo1 | It cuts off the closing music, and I get all sorts of broken-pipe errors |
| 01:35.37 | canllaith | and my word, I almost stopped breathing when reading through that thread and saw 'whore' 'goat' and 'mother' in the same sentance |
| 01:35.53 | mobtek | DeuX: ahh cool, hmm does it automagically does it? |
| 01:36.13 | finbert | i just installed kde3.4, but whenever i try and log into it, my xserver reboots, however my previous version of kde (3.3.2) still works fine |
| 01:36.14 | canllaith | So with the power of these magical words, the evil trolls were enraged and exploded, splattering blood everywhere. The end. |
| 01:36.39 | njaard | canllaith: yeah. that was the strangest email I've ever read :) |
| 01:36.50 | canllaith | oh, and these trolls like to sleep under KDE developers beds, just waiting for them to doze off so they can reach up with a clawed hand and grab your ankle while you sleep |
| 01:36.51 | aseigo | unfortunately, each piece of the troll grew into a whole new troll. |
| 01:36.53 | canllaith | Sleep well :) |
| 01:37.03 | canllaith | Dream better. |
| 01:37.05 | canllaith | :P |
| 01:37.06 | njaard | super :) |
| 01:37.14 | njaard | it's ok, I haven't had a decent night's sleep for years |
| 01:37.17 | canllaith | aseigo: heh too true :( |
| 01:37.19 | mobtek | haha aseigo: are you the Troll Slayer now :P? |
| 01:37.22 | aseigo | when i read that email i knew it was going to get quoted |
| 01:37.35 | mobtek | which email? |
| 01:37.38 | canllaith | Hopefully in my sequel a new wizard on a shining white horse will come along and destroy all the trolls forever. |
| 01:37.42 | Oleg_ | who here likes the band Scorpions? |
| 01:37.43 | aseigo | it just required way to much intelligence and wit to grok |
| 01:37.58 | canllaith | aseigo: Indeed, I literally stopped breathing. I grokked it, but I *knew* it would be misinterpreted |
| 01:37.58 | aseigo | mobtek: email by waldo bastian ... was quoted in that osnews.com article |
| 01:38.05 | aseigo | mobtek: the best part didn't get quoted though. |
| 01:38.14 | aseigo | canllaith: yep. i think he just didn't fucking care anymore. |
| 01:38.22 | canllaith | Of course, having seen pics of Waldo as wild-eyed scary man helped me see how it was meant ;) |
| 01:38.26 | Goose | as long as i still have feathers the world will still have a place for trolls |
| 01:38.29 | Goose | :p |
| 01:38.30 | canllaith | aseigo: I certainly sympathise. |
| 01:38.33 | aseigo | canllaith: heh.. indeed |
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| 01:38.58 | canllaith | It's ok Goose we know secretly you admire and respect girls and have a passion for learning and discovery. |
| 01:39.07 | Goose | no! |
| 01:39.08 | Goose | lies! |
| 01:39.14 | canllaith | I wont tell the #physics boys your secret though, we'll let them continue to believe you're a hard-core troll |
| 01:39.22 | Goose | learning and discovery is for nerds |
| 01:39.52 | canllaith | Other people have seen you agree with me. |
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| 01:40.00 | Oleg_ | who likes the band Pixies? |
| 01:40.03 | canllaith | and in #trollcentral too! |
| 01:40.06 | canllaith | You've blown your cover. |
| 01:40.10 | Goose | nooooooooooo. |
| 01:40.18 | canllaith | We know the truth, you're a nice guy. |
| 01:40.21 | canllaith | It's all over now. |
| 01:40.22 | aseigo | the pixies are cool |
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| 01:40.41 | canllaith | aseigo: how's you? :) |
| 01:40.42 | _deux | hmmmm I think I like KVIrc better :) |
| 01:40.52 | aseigo | canllaith: bad day. fuck the world. blah blah blah. you? |
| 01:41.12 | Oleg_ | who's trolling? |
| 01:41.17 | Oleg_ | I like the cool word troll |
| 01:41.27 | canllaith | I've spent most of the day so far in bed, chatting on IRC. Yesterday I was uber busy so today I'm bludging. |
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| 01:41.36 | codifex | Hello all |
| 01:41.39 | canllaith | fuck yes. Chocolate goes with anything worth eating. |
| 01:41.43 | mobtek | aseigo: url? |
| 01:41.50 | straw | bludging? |
| 01:41.51 | annma | aseigo: if you're 14 years old, it does |
| 01:41.51 | aseigo | bludging? is that like blogging, only in kiwiland? |
| 01:41.55 | aseigo | annma: heh |
| 01:41.59 | canllaith | bludging is like... being lazy and not doing any work |
| 01:42.04 | aseigo | mobtek: url? for? |
| 01:42.32 | codifex | Hey, did they get rid of CD ripping in KDE? I get errors when I try to browse an audio cd. |
| 01:43.05 | canllaith | Yesterday I upgraded my kernel, got a new version of ndiswrapper working with some trial, error and research, updated my latitude linux-laptop.net pages, emailed some people, cooked a large pot of spaghetti sauce, made rissoles, cleaned the kitchen |
| 01:43.07 | canllaith | clened my room |
| 01:43.19 | canllaith | s/clened/cleaned/ |
| 01:43.25 | canllaith | and had a phone interview for a job |
| 01:43.43 | codifex | what the heck is a rissole? |
| 01:43.54 | canllaith | mmmm |
| 01:43.59 | annma | yeah, what is it? |
| 01:44.00 | canllaith | It's like a hamburger patty |
| 01:44.06 | annma | oh uh |
| 01:44.08 | canllaith | But with spices and stuff in it to make it nice enough to eat by itself |
| 01:44.13 | canllaith | instead of having to put it in a burger |
| 01:44.20 | canllaith | Lots of flavour, very yum |
| 01:44.39 | njaard | whew, thought you were talking about vegemite there for a second |
| 01:44.46 | annma | how do you cook it? fry? |
| 01:44.52 | canllaith | annma: yep or grill |
| 01:44.57 | annma | vegemite? |
| 01:45.08 | codifex | Hmm... never tasted vegemite... must be soybean. |
| 01:45.09 | SadEagle | annma! |
| 01:45.10 | canllaith | It's just ground beef, spices, herbs, bread crumbs, and the secret ingredient - a packet of powdered french onion soup |
| 01:45.24 | canllaith | Vegemite is a concentrated yeast extract |
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| 01:45.28 | aseigo | "lyin' in a den in bombay.. slackjaw and not much to say" |
| 01:45.29 | canllaith | very salty, Australians have it on bread. |
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| 01:45.38 | canllaith | and Kiwi's |
| 01:45.40 | codifex | Hey, did they get rid of CD ripping in KDE? I get errors when I try to browse an audio cd. |
| 01:45.43 | mobtek | aseigo: that article, mebbe I didn't read it :) |
| 01:45.48 | canllaith | brucehoult: ullo :) Nice eggs. |
| 01:45.50 | annma | Vegemite is Marmite, njaard? |
| 01:45.56 | mobtek | noo |
| 01:46.03 | mobtek | vegemite tastes NOTHING like marmite |
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| 01:46.07 | mobtek | marmite is foul :P |
| 01:46.09 | njaard | vegemite is like marmite, except the australians like it |
| 01:46.14 | annma | lol |
| 01:46.14 | canllaith | annma: It is similar. |
| 01:46.16 | SadEagle | codifex: no |
| 01:46.20 | Oleg_ | I think it's cool when people curse in movies, songs, and in books, but it's not cool to curse in real life? |
| 01:46.24 | Oleg_ | without ? |
| 01:46.29 | Oleg_ | I meant to put . |
| 01:46.32 | brucehoult | canllaith: you're welcome |
| 01:46.33 | codifex | SadEagle: Got any ideas on how to fix it SE? |
| 01:46.39 | mobtek | njaard: my friend had a japanese xchange student who ate a spoonful of vegemite thinking it was chocolate sauce |
| 01:46.45 | annma | lol |
| 01:46.46 | canllaith | OH NO |
| 01:46.50 | mobtek | SO FUNNY |
| 01:46.53 | canllaith | poor thing |
| 01:46.53 | SadEagle | codifex: nope, sorry. but is the device set right? |
| 01:46.55 | mobtek | the poor girl almost died |
| 01:47.01 | mobtek | spread it on THIN |
| 01:47.02 | canllaith | Feeding American tourists vegemite is terribly amusing |
| 01:47.06 | mobtek | hahaha |
| 01:47.09 | canllaith | 'What the... are you trying to POSION ME?' |
| 01:47.11 | codifex | SadEagle: dunno. I get an error... lemee get specifics. |
| 01:47.13 | aseigo | mobtek: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=111073841623192&w=2 |
| 01:47.14 | njaard | canllaith: I tried to have it one but stopped after smelling it |
| 01:47.22 | mobtek | only those born in the southern hemisphere can eat it :) |
| 01:47.23 | njaard | canllaith: and I've tried repeatedly and the smell just... |
| 01:47.26 | njaard | uyp |
| 01:47.27 | aseigo | mobtek: and... http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=9953 |
| 01:47.28 | canllaith | njaard: The reason Australians like it so much is we're fed it as babies |
| 01:47.34 | canllaith | We all grew up on buttered toast with vegemite |
| 01:47.36 | mobtek | ta aseigo |
| 01:47.37 | annma | oh noooooooooo |
| 01:47.43 | njaard | I love the tiny itty bitty little jars it comes in |
| 01:47.44 | codifex | SadEagle: Protocol not supported. audiocd |
| 01:47.44 | mobtek | njaard: it smell yummy |
| 01:47.46 | njaard | here in uk |
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| 01:47.55 | njaard | like for people who have never tried it before |
| 01:47.58 | njaard | and never will again... |
| 01:47.58 | canllaith | mmmm mashed potato and pumpkin with a little bit of vegemite |
| 01:48.04 | canllaith | Babies LOVE that |
| 01:48.05 | SadEagle | codifex: well, do you hade kdemultimedia installed? |
| 01:48.09 | canllaith | njaard: LOL |
| 01:48.23 | brucehoult | I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that vegemite is worse than national delicacies such as caviar or lutefisk or sauerkraut |
| 01:48.31 | codifex | SadEagle: I *think* I do. Any way to check for sure? |
| 01:48.34 | canllaith | brucehoult: oh my word, I can hear you typing from *here* |
| 01:48.34 | Oleg_ | aseigo: whassup, white boy, chilling? |
| 01:48.41 | SadEagle | codifex: what system are you om? |
| 01:48.48 | codifex | SadEagle: Gentoo |
| 01:48.48 | annma | brucehoult: indeed it's worse |
| 01:48.57 | annma | ahh, the G word |
| 01:48.59 | SadEagle | codifex: don't know. any gentooies here? |
| 01:49.13 | canllaith | brucehoult: Do you have some kind of oven proof dish? I was going to make potato bake but I don't think you have one :( |
| 01:49.14 | Oleg_ | annma: G means gangsta in 2pac's vocabulary |
| 01:49.26 | mobtek | > *think* Your father must have mistaken the whore that calls herself your |
| 01:49.28 | mobtek | > mother for a goat. In that regard it's positive that you were named after |
| 01:49.28 | mobtek | > your mother, and not Goatmann after your father ;-) |
| 01:49.29 | mobtek | BAHAHAHAHAHHA |
| 01:49.35 | mobtek | go waldo |
| 01:49.37 | mobtek | hahahahahaha |
| 01:49.42 | codifex | SadEagle: Well, is there any application I can check for which would cinch it? |
| 01:49.43 | mobtek | so funny |
| 01:49.45 | canllaith | indeed. |
| 01:49.55 | canllaith | Of course, everyone didn't *get it*..... |
| 01:49.59 | SadEagle | codifex: juk? but gentoo splits the packages (what a pain...) |
| 01:50.12 | codifex | ok checking for juke |
| 01:50.12 | canllaith | apt: split-ebuilds |
| 01:50.14 | apt | If you didn't build the whole of a KDE module, we can't offer support. See http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=110806759516927&w=2 for the reason. Try #gentoo if you don't want to install the full KDE module. |
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| 01:50.17 | canllaith | :P |
| 01:50.38 | mobtek | grepper: sacrificing neighbours works better than a chicken :) |
| 01:50.41 | canllaith | Guess philrod got a bit tired of typing that one over and over |
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| 01:51.36 | mobtek | is it just me or does using xdeltas seem to speed up the compilation process? |
| 01:51.46 | grepper | mobtek: chickens taste better though |
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| 01:52.07 | mobtek | grepper: true |
| 01:52.08 | mobtek | :) |
| 01:52.17 | njaard | canllaith: ♪ party like it's 3pm |
| 01:52.28 | Quinn_Storm | okay, quick question, just installed 3.4, turned on translucency effects in control center, but nothing happened...have the composite extension enabled...do I need to run xcompmgr myself or something? |
| 01:52.42 | brucehoult | canllaith: why, when people keep bringing you toast and tea and scrambled eggs? |
| 01:52.44 | grepper | that was probably lucky |
| 01:52.47 | canllaith | Quinn_Storm: You either need to restart KDE |
| 01:52.47 | mobtek | Quinn_Storm: restart kde |
| 01:52.52 | canllaith | Quinn_Storm: Or manually run kompmgr |
| 01:53.28 | MrGrim | canllaith: so even if the issue is not related to split packages and is an actual kde bug you will ignore it, despite that it is something that the kde team needs to fix |
| 01:53.28 | MrGrim | and not the distribution? |
| 01:53.29 | MrGrim | see... it's crap like this that makes me unwilling to tell ppl I use gentoo and the split ebuilds |
| 01:53.38 | canllaith | MrGrim: If you can file a bug against KDE that's fine |
| 01:53.53 | canllaith | I'm not going to spend hours with a newbie who isn't sure what he's installed to find out if he has *all* of kdebase though |
| 01:54.04 | Oleg_ | canllaith: Do you want to eat now? |
| 01:54.07 | canllaith | and.... really, given that no-one is paying me there is no reason why I should have to. |
| 01:54.08 | brucehoult | canllaith: or are you planning to make Oleg_ happy and get soapy? |
| 01:54.09 | Oleg_ | canllaith: I do |
| 01:54.20 | Oleg_ | brucehoult: hehe |
| 01:54.21 | canllaith | brucehoult: gosh darn it you just *had* to start something didn't you :| |
| 01:54.34 | MrGrim | canllaith: don't get me wrong I'm not demanding you do |
| 01:54.40 | canllaith | So 'crap like this' from a volunteer? |
| 01:54.51 | canllaith | If you don't like it bub you know where the door is. You know I'm always happy to give a hand if I can |
| 01:54.59 | canllaith | but if you make it hard for me to help you, I'm going to get bored and go away. |
| 01:55.00 | Quinn_Storm | canllaith: any way to speed up Kompmgr? |
| 01:55.03 | MrGrim | it's just gets old ppl blaming a problem with an app I have, a problem that is clearly the apps problem, on gentoo the second I tell them I run gentoo |
| 01:55.08 | canllaith | Quinn_Storm: Yes, it's in the faq two secs |
| 01:55.34 | MrGrim | it's discrimination :/ |
| 01:55.41 | canllaith | Quinn_Storm: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/misc.html#id2881110 |
| 01:56.04 | annma | MrGrim: no, we usually check your bugs |
| 01:56.08 | canllaith | MrGrim: Not even slightly. I also refuse to help people with kde on aix becauase it takes up too much of my time |
| 01:56.13 | annma | we who have KDE compiled from kde cvs |
| 01:56.17 | MrGrim | lol |
| 01:56.20 | canllaith | Is this also discrimination, or just a reflection that some things are too damn hard for me to want to do in my spare time, unpaid? |
| 01:56.41 | MrGrim | canllaith: as usual you are missing my point and finding offense where none is intended |
| 01:56.47 | canllaith | lol |
| 01:56.52 | annma | we discriminate because people refuse to believe the bug might be <almighty>Gentoo</almighty> |
| 01:56.55 | MrGrim | so I'm just gonna go elsewhere till you've had time to calm down |
| 01:56.58 | canllaith | Perhaps you should work on your english comprehension if you think I'm taking offence :P |
| 01:57.02 | canllaith | I'm perfectly calm, and you're projecting. |
| 01:57.27 | codifex | So, am I the only one having a audiocd error in KDE 3.3? |
| 01:57.36 | canllaith | and I really wish that q textbox widget wouldn't want to redraw the *entire* widget instead of just what's on screen |
| 01:57.55 | canllaith | codifex: Do you have cdparanoia and lame and any other codecs you need? |
| 01:57.58 | Oleg_ | people, help me with Apollon |
| 01:57.59 | eisregen | hi annma =D |
| 01:58.07 | Oleg_ | Status: |
| 01:58.07 | Oleg_ | Connecting... |
| 01:58.07 | Oleg_ | Users: |
| 01:58.08 | Oleg_ | 0 |
| 01:58.08 | Oleg_ | Files Shared: |
| 01:58.08 | Oleg_ | 0 |
| 01:58.10 | Oleg_ | Total Size Shared: |
| 01:58.12 | Oleg_ | 0 GB |
| 01:58.15 | annma | Oleg_: please stop |
| 01:58.20 | SadEagle | canllaith: qtextbox -> in a webpage, I guesS? |
| 01:58.21 | Oleg_ | I get this bull, but can't connect |
| 01:58.21 | annma | eisregen: hi! |
| 01:58.22 | codifex | checking for them... lame and oggenc |
| 01:58.25 | Tpo1 | I just got audio working... I'm the expert |
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| 01:58.30 | Oleg_ | annma: it wasn't flood yet |
| 01:58.47 | canllaith | SadEagle: I'm not sure which exact widget it is, konversation and kopete and konsole. Rich text I guess |
| 01:58.49 | annma | Oleg_: hmm, maybe not flood but not agreeable either |
| 01:58.51 | mobtek | codifex: cdparanoia would help |
| 01:58.59 | Oleg_ | annma: ok |
| 01:59.04 | canllaith | I just know on a 300MHz it starts to get pretty slow to redraw once there's lots of text in the scrollback! :P |
| 01:59.05 | SadEagle | canllaith: hmm, they all use different widgets |
| 01:59.05 | eisregen | annma: I'm sorry of accusing amarok of beeing crahy ... it was my stupidity ... I had a cvs version of taglib installed *g* ... it's running for 3 days without a crash ^^ |
| 01:59.07 | mobtek | codifex: if you need to rip and audio cd, do it in k3b, it's sooo easy :) |
| 01:59.13 | Oleg_ | annma: now I am gonna ask you a weird question |
| 01:59.20 | codifex | cdparanoia instralled |
| 01:59.24 | mobtek | eisregen: hahaha |
| 01:59.25 | annma | eisregen: cool |
| 01:59.32 | eisregen | s/crahy/crashy/ |
| 01:59.51 | annma | in fact few kde apps crash nowadays |
| 01:59.56 | MrGrim | amarok's not crashy... just ugly and clunky :P |
| 01:59.56 | Oleg_ | annma: Would you like to get pregnant by the man who switches your birth-control pills with other pills without your knowledge? |
| 02:00.05 | mobtek | heheh MrGrim |
| 02:00.09 | Oleg_ | annma: it would make you HIS object |
| 02:00.18 | aseigo | Oleg_: dude. |
| 02:00.24 | mobtek | Oleg_: you are a weird one man :) |
| 02:00.24 | Oleg_ | sorry! |
| 02:00.29 | Oleg_ | sorry! |
| 02:00.34 | codifex | What are the dependancies of audiocd then? |
| 02:00.35 | aseigo | Oleg_: you are crossing lines again. don't make me whip out my can of ops. |
| 02:00.36 | njaard | Oriented Objects! |
| 02:00.40 | annma | Oleg_: I get sure I always take the right pills |
| 02:00.43 | mobtek | Oleg_: to answer, yes :P |
| 02:00.45 | Oleg_ | ok, sorry |
| 02:00.50 | Oleg_ | hehe |
| 02:00.53 | Tpo1 | codifex, pop in an audio CD, and type in 'cdparanoia -B' on a console |
| 02:01.02 | codifex | ok brb |
| 02:01.05 | Tpo1 | if it works, fine, kill it out |
| 02:01.05 | MrGrim | Oleg_: ya be careful here... the ops here are religious fundamentalists and also tightasses |
| 02:01.13 | Oleg_ | ok |
| 02:01.16 | canllaith | uh yeah, whatever you reckon |
| 02:01.19 | annma | MrGrim: lol |
| 02:01.30 | codifex | Ok. Now that I've done that... wtf does it do? heh |
| 02:01.34 | annma | MrGrim: nobody is never banned |
| 02:01.38 | Tpo1 | did it throw an error? |
| 02:01.41 | annma | not like in some other chans |
| 02:01.42 | mobtek | and most of them are gnomes, not wiards or elves :P |
| 02:01.44 | MrGrim | annma: give me time... |
| 02:01.48 | mobtek | so they are quick to anger :) |
| 02:01.52 | codifex | no error |
| 02:01.54 | annma | MrGrim: I have the power |
| 02:02.01 | canllaith | Funnily enough |
| 02:02.07 | canllaith | so does every other person MrGrim goes out of his way to annoy |
| 02:02.20 | Tpo1 | make a wave and type in lame -h input.wav output.mp3 |
| 02:02.21 | MrGrim | well it's kinda hard to tell |
| 02:02.21 | annma | Oleg_: the day I am an object has not come yet |
| 02:02.26 | canllaith | I see a pattern ;) |
| 02:02.29 | aseigo | canllaith: hey, if you're gonna play chicken, do it with the big rigs |
| 02:02.30 | MrGrim | ops on freenode tend to never be opped |
| 02:02.32 | MrGrim | it's kinda annoying |
| 02:02.36 | Tpo1 | cdparanoia makes wavs from tracks on audio cds |
| 02:02.36 | codifex | cdparanoia's outputting the waves just fine... it just dont work with the kioslave in KDE |
| 02:02.43 | aseigo | canllaith: it isn't as fun playing chicken with the kids on bikes ;) |
| 02:02.46 | canllaith | MrGrim: I know, it means you have to be civil *all* the time. It's terrible. |
| 02:02.59 | Oleg_ | reference to C++ objects? |
| 02:03.02 | canllaith | annma: I was talking about kdeedu with someone at a LUG recently |
| 02:03.05 | codifex | Tpo1: Ogg man oggs! |
| 02:03.06 | annma | Oleg_: you got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:03.10 | Tpo1 | lol |
| 02:03.13 | Oleg_ | ok :) |
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| 02:03.15 | SadEagle | annma: right, I don't think you're gonna stay around waiting for people to give you orders on what to do ;-) |
| 02:03.15 | canllaith | annma: Are there any apps for babies? Like, really tiny ones? |
| 02:03.15 | annma | canllaith: yeah? |
| 02:03.33 | njaard | canllaith: actually fscking parenting? |
| 02:03.36 | MrGrim | wth is a newly born gonna do on a pc?! |
| 02:03.37 | annma | Kard in kdenonbeta is for 2 years old |
| 02:03.40 | Tpo1 | I finally got my own audio working fine, I'm making a comparison test |
| 02:03.42 | canllaith | annma: ok then :) |
| 02:03.43 | codifex | yeah... mr potatohead |
| 02:03.49 | njaard | KTuberling! |
| 02:03.52 | MrGrim | other than dirty up the keyboard |
| 02:03.55 | MrGrim | and possibly monitor |
| 02:03.56 | annma | MrPotato requires the mouse control |
| 02:03.57 | MrGrim | if they can reach it |
| 02:03.57 | canllaith | MrGrim: they like to press buttons and have pretty colours and sounds happen on screen |
| 02:04.15 | annma | Kard is a memory game and with only 4 cards a 2 years old can play it |
| 02:04.15 | MrGrim | canllaith: hmm... I'd be worried out of my mind |
| 02:04.24 | canllaith | annma: ok :) |
| 02:04.30 | MrGrim | if the app caught every key and key combo that'd worry me, and if it didn't that'd worry me |
| 02:04.32 | MrGrim | so I'd be worried |
| 02:04.35 | annma | canllaith: but we need to do one as you say |
| 02:04.39 | njaard | these are games you play /with/ your kid |
| 02:04.42 | annma | there was one in Linux |
| 02:04.44 | aseigo | MrGrim: ever use vmware? |
| 02:04.44 | Tpo1 | I'll see for myself, codifex |
| 02:04.45 | njaard | they don't mind you using the mouse for them |
| 02:04.54 | codifex | heh k |
| 02:04.58 | aseigo | MrGrim: they have a special key combo for releasing mouse / keyboard control |
| 02:04.59 | njaard | practically any game you can play for them and they'll find it interesting |
| 02:05.02 | MrGrim | aseigo: there's always at least one active key combo in vmware to switch out of it :) |
| 02:05.03 | njaard | for a couple seconds :) |
| 02:05.11 | annma | lol, yes |
| 02:05.16 | canllaith | brucehoult: so, what would I have to do for a cup of tea and a timtam? ;) |
| 02:05.16 | aseigo | MrGrim: easy enough to make it really hard/impossible for random slapping to activate the unlocker |
| 02:05.17 | codifex | Tux racer is kinda fun for kids. |
| 02:05.19 | MrGrim | aseigo: and with my luck, a baby on my pc would hit it |
| 02:05.20 | MrGrim | first try |
| 02:05.29 | MrGrim | then second try |
| 02:05.31 | aseigo | that's because you aren't nice on irc |
| 02:05.35 | MrGrim | would be the super secret kde rm -rf / combo |
| 02:05.35 | canllaith | You can always require a password to quit the app |
| 02:05.37 | aseigo | and so your karma bank is fucked |
| 02:05.41 | MrGrim | that nobody remembers is buried in the code somewhere |
| 02:05.44 | canllaith | There is an app my kid sister used to use |
| 02:05.46 | MrGrim | cause my luck sucks THAT MUCH |
| 02:05.50 | annma | codifex: kids who could play TuxRacer go to teletoons.com nowadays |
| 02:05.56 | canllaith | that locks the pc down and only lets her use like, typing tutorials, notepad, mspaint and the kids apps |
| 02:05.58 | canllaith | It's rather cool |
| 02:06.05 | canllaith | Requires a password to exit so she can't really do any harm |
| 02:06.17 | aseigo | canllaith: actually, KDE toddlerware would be cool |
| 02:06.19 | canllaith | Of course, I used to supervise her but sometimes you can't quite get the keyboard away from them quick enough =p |
| 02:06.29 | annma | canllaith: woow, cool |
| 02:06.33 | canllaith | and as a baby in my lap she used to suck the mouse :\ |
| 02:06.39 | MrGrim | canllaith: ROFLMAO |
| 02:06.40 | canllaith | and try to chew on the keyboard |
| 02:06.42 | canllaith | while I was IRC'ing |
| 02:06.52 | canllaith | so I'm typing one handed, alt tabbing cause she's teething and likes this mouse. |
| 02:06.54 | aseigo | interactive screensaver like crud w/sounds that react to the keyboard. |
| 02:06.58 | aseigo | hahaha |
| 02:06.58 | canllaith | Yes! |
| 02:07.01 | canllaith | That would be sooo cool |
| 02:07.09 | canllaith | Has peyton ever tried to eat a mouse? ;) |
| 02:07.22 | aseigo | nope |
| 02:07.24 | canllaith | My friends son Jack does it too, I think someone deliberately designed them to look delicious to babies or something |
| 02:07.24 | mobtek | hehe kids shouldn't use machines that use logic like computers do until they are at least 12-14 :) |
| 02:07.25 | MrGrim | canllaith: damn I just got an image of you (which involves a complete fabrication of what you look like, cause I don't know) screaming "NO DON'T PRESS THAT!" while yanking a keyboard out of a baby's hands |
| 02:07.33 | mobtek | but thats my radical opinion :P |
| 02:07.34 | MrGrim | and it was hilarious |
| 02:07.38 | aseigo | mobtek: pffft |
| 02:07.41 | canllaith | MrGrim: uhuh, and I wouldn't have any babies around me for long if I did that =p |
| 02:08.02 | MrGrim | tho |
| 02:08.04 | canllaith | I mean, if you don't babyproof things it's your own damn fault not the poor kids |
| 02:08.04 | MrGrim | the best part |
| 02:08.07 | MrGrim | was the fabrication |
| 02:08.08 | aseigo | mobtek: i have no idea where people get the "children shouldn't be exposed to logic" concept... but it's scarily common these days =/ |
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| 02:08.27 | aseigo | "don't want to stunt them" |
| 02:08.32 | codifex | How do you baby proof with a couple of 13yo knuckleheads? |
| 02:08.41 | MrGrim | aseigo: agreed |
| 02:08.50 | Oleg_ | When I was in high school, I kissed only one girl on the cheek. I was happy about it and looked around to see if anybody had noticed it. |
| 02:09.02 | canllaith | Well.... I find physically picking up a 13yo knucklehead and carrying it to it's room and telling it not to come back out until it's less stupid works. |
| 02:09.11 | Oleg_ | Kissing the opposite sex on the cheek makes a person cool |
| 02:09.13 | canllaith | They immediately bounce back up and go to walk out again. So you pick them up and throw them on their bed again. |
| 02:09.18 | canllaith | They get tired before I do. |
| 02:09.31 | canllaith | Poor Zoe, she's going to be traumatised for life having me as a sister. |
| 02:09.39 | annma | Oleg_ might get tired then :> |
| 02:09.44 | aseigo | canllaith: i just gain their respect and then use it to make them feel like shit |
| 02:09.49 | codifex | Well... I'd like to do that but there are issues. Anyway, I'm stuck with em for 5 more years. |
| 02:09.52 | aseigo | canllaith: "wow. that was really lame. i'm totally dissapointed in you." |
| 02:09.53 | Tpo1 | I can't hear a difference... the mp3 is almost twice as large |
| 02:09.53 | MrGrim | canllaith: I imagined you about 5'1" or so, short "I am a woman but don't wanna look like one" hair cut, blonde hair, brown eyes with the always pissed off look (born that way I guess) |
| 02:09.54 | MrGrim | am I close? |
| 02:09.58 | canllaith | aseigo: ahahahahaha yep you're a father...... |
| 02:09.59 | aseigo | canllaith: fewer callories spent, much quicker. |
| 02:10.01 | canllaith | MrGrim: ROFLOL |
| 02:10.05 | annma | aseigo: hoow, how mean |
| 02:10.16 | canllaith | MrGrim: I'm 5'10 with long hair and I wear skirts. |
| 02:10.17 | aseigo | annma: hey, only when necessary. it's The Big Gun. |
| 02:10.17 | codifex | Tpo1: Ogg is free... the mp3 aint. |
| 02:10.25 | aseigo | and boy. does it work. =P |
| 02:10.32 | codifex | canllaith: You scottish? |
| 02:10.33 | annma | lol |
| 02:10.38 | Tpo1 | yes |
| 02:10.48 | canllaith | codifex: on my mother's side |
| 02:11.02 | aseigo | MrGrim: that's exactly what she looks like. |
| 02:11.08 | aseigo | MrGrim: if she tells you otherwise, she's making up stories. |
| 02:11.09 | MrGrim | I knew it! |
| 02:11.26 | aseigo | you just missed the face jewelry |
| 02:11.30 | codifex | I'm gonna let my uh ex whatever talk to you guys for a while... don't hold it against me ok? |
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| 02:12.01 | canllaith | aseigo: oh and all the tattoo's |
| 02:12.16 | Tpo1 | I've had issues streaming ogg files before though :x |
| 02:12.17 | canllaith | Don't forget those |
| 02:12.23 | aseigo | yeah, but those are really visible until you roll up your sleaves |
| 02:12.28 | canllaith | and the really butch way I dress, skin tight leather etc |
| 02:12.45 | aseigo | and constant smoking and drinking. shit. |
| 02:12.52 | aseigo | s,and,and the, |
| 02:13.03 | canllaith | MrGrim: red hair, green eyes, uber pale skin. Sorry to disappoint dude. |
| 02:13.07 | canllaith | aseigo: fuck yes |
| 02:13.13 | canllaith | I know, and I really need to get that crack habit of mine under control too |
| 02:13.15 | canllaith | omg |
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| 02:13.39 | aseigo | mmm. .tea. |
| 02:13.43 | canllaith | brucehoult: ty :P |
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| 02:14.14 | aseigo | hahaha |
| 02:14.15 | aseigo | you know you have a problem when you thank people who physically bring you things via irc |
| 02:14.20 | canllaith | hahaha well he's 2 rooms down |
| 02:14.23 | codifex | canllaith: this is the ex whatever he wants to call me |
| 02:14.31 | brucehoult | canllaith: yw :-) |
| 02:14.33 | canllaith | codifex: lol I see. What do you call yourself? |
| 02:14.36 | aseigo | "ex whatever"? |
| 02:15.10 | brucehoult | aseigo: weeeell .. she *does* have headphones on |
| 02:15.14 | codifex | canllaith: the bitch of th year |
| 02:15.26 | aseigo | codifex: i think i know you |
| 02:15.28 | SadEagle | canllaith: not green hair and red eyes? ;-) |
| 02:15.44 | canllaith | SadEagle: I save that for halloween |
| 02:15.58 | njaard | canllaith: did lauri ever tell you the catsuit story? |
| 02:16.01 | SadEagle | canllaith: any weapons to go along? |
| 02:16.06 | canllaith | njaard: no but I bet I'm about to hear it ;) |
| 02:16.12 | njaard | you should ask her :) |
| 02:16.18 | njaard | but it amusing, yes :) |
| 02:16.18 | canllaith | SadEagle: Definitely, that's when I pull out the skin tight leather, whips and chains |
| 02:16.20 | codifex | canllaith: i don't think you do |
| 02:16.22 | MrGrim | canllaith: red hair and green eyes?... seriously? |
| 02:16.35 | r00tsh3ll | lol |
| 02:16.37 | canllaith | MrGrim: dead serious, well they're kinda aqua |
| 02:16.40 | canllaith | brucehoult: what colour are my eyes? |
| 02:16.46 | njaard | SadEagle: I'm a natural redhead apparently, when bleached :) |
| 02:16.47 | canllaith | Yours are more green than mine, mine have lots of blue. |
| 02:16.52 | MrGrim | cause.. that's like 2 very important requirements for the perfect woman |
| 02:16.52 | SadEagle | canllaith: I would think an axe or something would be more impressive ;-) |
| 02:16.53 | brucehoult | greenish in the middle, blue around the edges |
| 02:16.57 | MrGrim | too bad about the personality tho... |
| 02:17.02 | MrGrim | ;) |
| 02:17.15 | SadEagle | njaard: heh, I am sort of like that, too, I think. I clearly have the red pigment, but it gets hidden by darker ones |
| 02:17.17 | codifex | canllaith: No. light brown hair , and green eyes |
| 02:17.38 | njaard | SadEagle: I think I'm going to continue to bleach it |
| 02:17.45 | canllaith | * like four seasons in one day... * |
| 02:17.52 | brucehoult | [15:15] * aseigo wishes she'd at least put a quieter muffler on that Harley Davidson |
| 02:17.57 | SadEagle | njaard: that can't be handy |
| 02:18.01 | SadEagle | s/handy/healthy/ |
| 02:18.03 | canllaith | heh only bike I've been on lately was a BMW |
| 02:18.06 | brucehoult | aseigo: gosh .. my BMW really *must* need a tune-up :-( |
| 02:18.08 | canllaith | I have *some* class k thx ;) |
| 02:18.20 | njaard | SadEagle: I don't bleach the rootrs |
| 02:18.26 | aseigo | brucehoult: damn straight. i can hear it all the way up here in canada ffs |
| 02:18.28 | njaard | because you see, I want to /keep/ my beautiful hair :) |
| 02:18.30 | canllaith | brucehoult: you should take a pic of me on your bike so I can fit the butch bitchy chick image MrGrim has going for me there |
| 02:18.39 | brucehoult | yeah, ok |
| 02:18.40 | canllaith | Since my feminine delicate appearance belies my inherent nastiness |
| 02:18.41 | MrGrim | the two best hair colors for women don't occur naturally |
| 02:18.58 | MrGrim | purple and blue.. |
| 02:19.04 | codifex | canllaith: where you at? |
| 02:19.09 | canllaith | codifex: I'm in Wellington NZ |
| 02:19.11 | njaard | purple, oh yess |
| 02:19.14 | aseigo | canllaith: i think your feminine appearance suits your inherent nastiness quite nicely. |
| 02:19.23 | brucehoult | http://koti.mbnet.fi/maajussi/nz_97/nz97_7e.htm |
| 02:19.23 | canllaith | MrGrim: I was purple for a while at Uni, that was... interesting. |
| 02:19.28 | MrGrim | I must agree with aseigo to an extent |
| 02:19.29 | canllaith | I've never tried blue. |
| 02:19.35 | MrGrim | women are inherantly nasty |
| 02:19.36 | canllaith | aseigo: why thank you *curtsies* |
| 02:19.44 | MrGrim | so femininity (is that a word) mixes well with it |
| 02:19.46 | canllaith | I'm *so* delighted you noticed. |
| 02:19.48 | aseigo | MrGrim: uh. i didn't say THAT |
| 02:19.51 | codifex | canllaith: my ex whatever wants to go to NZ |
| 02:19.58 | canllaith | I'd hate to think all that effort was in vain :) *flutters eyelashes* |
| 02:20.07 | aseigo | canllaith: hehehe |
| 02:20.10 | MrGrim | aseigo: no, I mean that it suits the inherant nastiness part |
| 02:20.20 | canllaith | mmmm I managed to make my sound in amarok a bit thin when I tweaked it for skype |
| 02:20.20 | MrGrim | aseigo: I just explained why I agree with that part |
| 02:20.29 | canllaith | heh |
| 02:20.36 | canllaith | I remember that |
| 02:20.46 | canllaith | You showed me those aaaaaages ago |
| 02:20.47 | aseigo | brucehoult: nah, that's the way it SHOULD be |
| 02:21.04 | codifex | canllaith: what do you like to do for fun? |
| 02:21.04 | aseigo | brucehoult: remember reading william gibson and just aching for that globality of information? |
| 02:21.07 | Tpo1 | cacafire |
| 02:21.19 | aseigo | canllaith: do you come here often? |
| 02:21.19 | brucehoult | aseigo: I know .. it rocks, really |
| 02:21.35 | canllaith | codifex: sing, play flute, photography, cooking, sketching, hiking, reading .... |
| 02:21.45 | MrGrim | god I love beer |
| 02:21.47 | canllaith | hack on KDE and meet people from other cultures over the net. |
| 02:21.48 | aseigo | "do you like pina colladas?" |
| 02:21.54 | aseigo | "and walks in the rain?" |
| 02:21.57 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 02:21.58 | brucehoult | lol aseigo |
| 02:22.02 | codifex | MrGrim: hello. |
| 02:22.17 | canllaith | I'd *never* heard it before |
| 02:22.20 | aseigo | and getting stuck ing the rain |
| 02:22.22 | aseigo | canllaith: what? |
| 02:22.28 | codifex | I gotta change her nick... she's gonna ruin my rep as a nerd. |
| 02:22.28 | MrGrim | she didn't know about it before the other day?! |
| 02:22.28 | aseigo | brucehoult: thank GODDESS someone is looking out for her! |
| 02:22.37 | MrGrim | canllaith: get out of the cave sometime :/ |
| 02:22.43 | canllaith | I don't watch TV |
| 02:22.44 | canllaith | listen to the radio |
| 02:22.50 | canllaith | or watch movies unless forced |
| 02:22.54 | canllaith | so.. where would I hear it? :P |
| 02:23.07 | aseigo | hum. good point. |
| 02:23.11 | MrGrim | ahh... an unreasonable aversion to electronic forms of entertainment |
| 02:23.15 | MrGrim | as if I haven't seen THAT before |
| 02:23.19 | mobtek | aseigo: wow that whole article and the email has turned into one HUGE spat :) |
| 02:23.47 | exwhatever | canllaith: I like to country dance I am true redneck woman. |
| 02:23.52 | annma | aseigo: so you know Schnappi? |
| 02:23.54 | canllaith | I'd much rather read a book :) |
| 02:23.57 | canllaith | LOL |
| 02:24.01 | aseigo | annma: i have 3 different versions of it |
| 02:24.05 | annma | god! |
| 02:24.06 | MrGrim | there are few things better than a brilliant work of fiction or beautiful and emotional music |
| 02:24.09 | aseigo | oh god. country dancing. |
| 02:24.18 | canllaith | ahahahaha brucehoult horrified a German girl at the LUG the other night by mentioning Schnappi |
| 02:24.19 | aseigo | exwhatever: come up to calgary... lots of that up here =/ |
| 02:24.20 | brucehoult | MrGrim: we'd just been discussing a news story about a couple in Iran or somewhere who met clandestinely, only to find they were actually man & wife. And the guy stands there in the street and shouts "You are divorced! You are divorced! You are DIVORCED!". |
| 02:24.31 | brucehoult | WHich is, legally, all the process required in that country... |
| 02:24.33 | njaard | line dancing |
| 02:24.43 | MrGrim | brucehoult: wow |
| 02:24.44 | canllaith | MrGrim: I enjoy brilliant works of fiction and beautiful music (especially given I used to work as a musician) |
| 02:24.45 | MrGrim | nice law |
| 02:24.54 | canllaith | I just don't like the telly much :) |
| 02:25.01 | MrGrim | canllaith: but you avoid a great source of great work sof fiction |
| 02:25.02 | MrGrim | movies |
| 02:25.03 | exwhatever | That guy is a bonafide dick. |
| 02:25.12 | canllaith | MrGrim: it's just the medium I don't like. |
| 02:25.19 | canllaith | Staring passively at a screen |
| 02:25.21 | mobtek | who is schnappi? |
| 02:25.30 | aseigo | mobtek: a crocodile |
| 02:25.32 | canllaith | I get bored really quickly with it - books work ok though. |
| 02:25.35 | annma | mobtek: dunno but it seems to be the latest hooty |
| 02:25.36 | aseigo | mobtek: or rather, a krokodile |
| 02:25.38 | MrGrim | canllaith: not much different than staring passively at a person telling a story |
| 02:25.38 | njaard | ♪ Schnii Schna Schnappi, das kleine krokodil |
| 02:25.39 | annma | hotty |
| 02:25.39 | exwhatever | MrGrim: what kind of movies do you like? |
| 02:25.42 | MrGrim | only the tv can do a better job :) |
| 02:25.43 | canllaith | Schnappi das kleine krokodil |
| 02:25.46 | aseigo | njaard: hehehe |
| 02:25.49 | canllaith | MrGrim: Which is another thing I don't do |
| 02:25.58 | aseigo | tv? pffft |
| 02:26.01 | aseigo | tv sucks ass. |
| 02:26.06 | exwhatever | How little is he? |
| 02:26.11 | aseigo | no. if it did, i might find a way to enjoy it |
| 02:26.20 | canllaith | I like to read. Then the book paces me, and I can read as slow or as fast as it does. |
| 02:26.22 | aseigo | tv doesn't even approach that level of relative goodness. |
| 02:26.28 | aseigo | film though... mmmmmm. |
| 02:26.31 | MrGrim | exwhatever: I LOVE fantasy and "mind game" movies... Identity, A Beautiful Mind, The Matrix Trilogy, Memento, etc. |
| 02:26.38 | canllaith | aseigo: baby, that's siggable |
| 02:26.46 | canllaith | 'Tv sucks ass.... no. If it did, I might find a way to enjoy it' |
| 02:26.53 | aseigo | canllaith: ;) |
| 02:26.55 | canllaith | oops, remember to use aseigo-style capatilisation |
| 02:27.00 | njaard | canllaith: none? |
| 02:27.06 | canllaith | Exactly. |
| 02:27.12 | brucehoult | aseigo: most movies are total boring *crap. But one in a hundred (maybe) has sufficient depth that it's *worth* concentrating on every little thing that is happening |
| 02:27.20 | MrGrim | aseigo: just stick with shows created by Joss Whedon on TV and you'll be ok |
| 02:27.21 | exwhatever | MrGrim: I like to read the book then watch the movie. |
| 02:27.22 | MrGrim | not much else is any good |
| 02:27.23 | aseigo | brucehoult: i just watch the 1% |
| 02:27.30 | aseigo | brucehoult: well, except for when i don't get to choose. |
| 02:27.33 | canllaith | Although, mattr linked me to a cvs commit somewhere you actually used normal sentence style capatilisation |
| 02:27.39 | canllaith | He was in shock ;) |
| 02:27.59 | njaard | canllaith: I never capitalize except the word "I" |
| 02:28.05 | aseigo | hahaa.. yeah, keep 'em guessing i say. |
| 02:28.06 | brucehoult | MrGrim: Joss Whedon is pretty goo, although I've only seen Buffy in this prt of the world |
| 02:28.17 | njaard | canllaith: ... because I'm an arrogant person, you see |
| 02:28.17 | mobtek | firefly was great |
| 02:28.19 | aseigo | buffy? good? pffft. |
| 02:28.23 | MrGrim | Angel is a much better show than buffy |
| 02:28.31 | mobtek | aseigo: buffy was very well written |
| 02:28.32 | aseigo | njaard: you lack the self-depricating humility of the poet |
| 02:28.34 | MrGrim | for the same type of show |
| 02:28.35 | MrGrim | firefly |
| 02:28.35 | canllaith | njaard: Lazy enough to accept tab completed capatilisation though |
| 02:28.36 | MrGrim | omg |
| 02:28.37 | MrGrim | firefly |
| 02:28.49 | njaard | canllaith: yeap |
| 02:28.49 | aseigo | njaard: personally, hold the entire world in contempt^Hhumility |
| 02:28.49 | MrGrim | one of the few good science fiction shows created |
| 02:28.51 | aseigo | s,hold,i hold, |
| 02:28.54 | MrGrim | if not the only.. |
| 02:28.56 | mobtek | MrGrim: yuppers, then canned |
| 02:28.59 | MrGrim | well, ok BSG is good |
| 02:28.59 | aseigo | firefly was iffy |
| 02:29.01 | MrGrim | the new one |
| 02:29.05 | mobtek | MrGrim: Battlestar is doing ok :)( |
| 02:29.05 | aseigo | which is good as far as t.v. goes |
| 02:29.07 | SadEagle | njaard: dude, you name yourself after a Norse god, and you think the I think is showing arrogance? ;-() |
| 02:29.14 | MrGrim | but other than those two |
| 02:29.17 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 02:29.19 | MrGrim | most scifi is just so shitty |
| 02:29.24 | njaard | SadEagle: bah! :) |
| 02:29.31 | mobtek | MrGrim: haha yes just look at Stargate |
| 02:29.36 | mobtek | that is Laaaammmme |
| 02:29.41 | MrGrim | I mean, and what's messed up is ppl like crap like stargate sg-1, farscape, and andromeda |
| 02:29.53 | exwhatever | canllaith: my ex likes capitolize the word Bitch when he talks to me imagine that. |
| 02:30.01 | canllaith | mmmm |
| 02:30.03 | aseigo | SadEagle: space. it's the final frontier. DUH! ;) |
| 02:30.04 | mobtek | haah farscape was bad, very bad |
| 02:30.09 | MrGrim | SadEagle: well because the science to do what those shows do is fictional |
| 02:30.17 | MrGrim | so |
| 02:30.20 | MrGrim | science fiction |
| 02:30.20 | aseigo | exwhatever: just so you know he's using it as a proper pronoun? ;) |
| 02:30.27 | exwhatever | Farscape rocked... the ladies were the only reason to watch. |
| 02:30.38 | aseigo | "you're not just a bitch. you're the Bitch. you're welcome." |
| 02:30.59 | MrGrim | SadEagle: true |
| 02:31.01 | MrGrim | but |
| 02:31.04 | MrGrim | it's still science fiction |
| 02:31.05 | MrGrim | :) |
| 02:31.18 | exwhatever | aseigo: aren't we all? |
| 02:31.24 | aseigo | exwhatever: only the good ones. |
| 02:31.28 | njaard | SadEagle: that's what made farscape good |
| 02:31.38 | MrGrim | I can't wait for BSG season 2... the cliff hanger was such a bitch |
| 02:31.43 | canllaith | * from the earliest days... we were dancing in the shadows.... * |
| 02:31.49 | MrGrim | oh ya |
| 02:31.56 | MrGrim | there was another great scifi show |
| 02:31.57 | aseigo | they ended with a cliff hanger? woah. bet you didn't see that one coming. |
| 02:32.05 | MrGrim | how could I forget |
| 02:32.09 | MrGrim | babylon 5 :D |
| 02:32.26 | exwhatever | aseigo: I think that I am a good bitch, I put up with his shit> |
| 02:32.39 | MrGrim | aseigo: they ended on a cliff hanger w/o knowing if they'd get a season 2 |
| 02:32.42 | MrGrim | that shit is dangerous |
| 02:32.46 | exwhatever | she's full of it |
| 02:32.49 | MrGrim | and REALLY pisses me off when they don't get it |
| 02:33.02 | njaard | ♪ these feelings I have never shown, remain unknown |
| 02:33.09 | MrGrim | whoa |
| 02:33.14 | MrGrim | njaard: how did you do that? |
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| 02:33.21 | MrGrim | ? |
| 02:33.23 | exwhatever | MrGrim: how are you tonight? |
| 02:33.23 | MrGrim | that is awesome |
| 02:33.29 | njaard | MrGrim: hah, that's the best reaction I've ever recieved |
| 02:33.34 | njaard | Whoa, how did you do that? |
| 02:33.36 | r00tsh3ll | just wondering.. does anybody knows how could i increase the transparency level of amarok's OSD?! |
| 02:33.36 | njaard | NICE |
| 02:33.58 | MrGrim | exwhatever: um.. fine |
| 02:34.04 | xorg | hello .. just wanted to know what soft could load a html file on a desktop .. ? |
| 02:34.17 | MrGrim | xorg: kde has that capability |
| 02:34.24 | MrGrim | I forget what part exactly |
| 02:34.26 | MrGrim | or how to enable it |
| 02:34.30 | MrGrim | ... |
| 02:34.32 | MrGrim | but it has it! |
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| 02:34.49 | exwhatever | MrGrim: I am doing okay myself considering I have two more days here. |
| 02:34.54 | xorg | MrGrim, yeah I know but the things is I am using xfce4 as main interface .. |
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| 02:35.06 | MrGrim | ok |
| 02:35.13 | MrGrim | xorg: you do know this is #kde, right? |
| 02:35.23 | annma | lol |
| 02:35.27 | dwango | I'm really disappointed with the slashdot articale about the release... not enough flaming. |
| 02:35.38 | njaard | dwango: they accept our superiourtiy |
| 02:35.40 | njaard | gah |
| 02:35.49 | xorg | yeap that's a question about kde .. because I am looking for a kde app :P Mafteah |
| 02:35.51 | MrGrim | dwango: that's because the fickle /. crowd is midway through it's mob movement of kde conversion |
| 02:35.58 | xorg | sorry Mafteah it was MrGrim |
| 02:36.07 | MrGrim | xorg: well I've never done it in kde |
| 02:36.10 | MrGrim | so I dunno |
| 02:36.31 | xorg | oki .. |
| 02:36.33 | MrGrim | dwango: a few ppl said good things about kde while sounding official |
| 02:36.43 | MrGrim | so suddenly /. realized experts say kde is good |
| 02:36.49 | dwango | hah |
| 02:36.57 | MrGrim | and the sheeps followed |
| 02:37.00 | MrGrim | now |
| 02:37.01 | exwhatever | MrGrim: I am going to take my ex out tomorrow night to a club for the first time. I don't think he will be able to handle it. |
| 02:37.05 | njaard | meehhhhh... |
| 02:37.06 | MrGrim | most of /. will use kde, even if they hate it |
| 02:37.12 | MrGrim | forcing themselves to believe they like it |
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| 02:37.36 | MrGrim | exwhatever: why do you say that? |
| 02:37.44 | njaard | gee |
| 02:37.47 | njaard | It's late |
| 02:37.49 | njaard | I should go to sleep |
| 02:37.54 | njaard | or my mother may call and tell me to go to sleep |
| 02:38.03 | aseigo | oh look! heh.. sweet. |
| 02:38.09 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 02:38.21 | aseigo | yay! now my day's complete. |
| 02:38.29 | SadEagle | MrGrim: most of ./ users use windows |
| 02:38.34 | exwhatever | MrGrim: He just never went out with me before to the club, imagine that. lol |
| 02:38.40 | MrGrim | SadEagle: lol yes that is true |
| 02:38.41 | MrGrim | sadly |
| 02:38.48 | MrGrim | for all their evangelizing |
| 02:38.56 | canllaith | njaard: sleep well... and dream well :) |
| 02:39.10 | njaard | I hope it's something paranoid |
| 02:39.13 | njaard | again |
| 02:39.16 | njaard | those are the fun ones |
| 02:39.22 | njaard | I'm not disturbed enough while awake |
| 02:39.34 | MrGrim | exwhatever: well, I know I wouldn't handle going to most places well with my ex |
| 02:39.41 | aseigo | SadEagle: heh.. i see you say './' too.. |
| 02:39.47 | MrGrim | exwhatever: simply because seeing her is a constant reminder of loss |
| 02:39.57 | MrGrim | worse feeling ever |
| 02:40.06 | aseigo | SadEagle: you can spot the unix users by their propensity towards "dot slash" versus the meaningless "slash dot" |
| 02:40.39 | exwhatever | MrGrim: we might be ex's but we get along great with each other we are like best friends do to our children. |
| 02:41.35 | MrGrim | well that does have an effect on the landscape |
| 02:42.33 | aseigo | exwhatever: children, plural? |
| 02:43.09 | exwhatever | aseigo: we have five kids. |
| 02:43.15 | annma | 5! |
| 02:43.19 | annma | <beaten> |
| 02:43.36 | aseigo | exwhatever: wow. that's a handful. |
| 02:43.45 | canllaith | * like four seasons in one day... * |
| 02:44.08 | exwhatever | annma: Yes, and I love everyone of them 4boys, and 1 girl. |
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| 02:44.28 | annma | exwhatever: 3 girsl and 1 boy here |
| 02:44.50 | canllaith | three boys, three girls, then me. |
| 02:45.11 | mobtek | 7?! |
| 02:45.13 | mobtek | hgahaha |
| 02:45.13 | annma | canllaith: ah! second of 10 here! |
| 02:45.13 | aseigo | MrGrim: i dunno.. loss... you can't lose the time you had together. |
| 02:45.25 | exwhatever | annma: the girl is the baby , so she's lucky to have all of those older brothers. |
| 02:45.36 | mobtek | annma: thats just scary mmkay :P |
| 02:45.39 | annma | exwhatever: cool :) |
| 02:45.57 | canllaith | damn, I want some smokes |
| 02:46.15 | canllaith | aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh |
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| 02:46.25 | canllaith | worst thing about being in party mood :( |
| 02:46.33 | Tpo1 | hmm |
| 02:46.33 | MrGrim | aseigo: that's one way of looking at it I guess |
| 02:46.39 | MrGrim | aseigo: but I live in the moment |
| 02:46.43 | mobtek | canllaith: I have smokes |
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| 02:46.44 | mobtek | for once |
| 02:46.44 | MrGrim | and it's meaningless w/o the moment |
| 02:46.52 | MrGrim | all that time was a waste in my view |
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| 02:46.58 | canllaith | mobtek: shuddup :P |
| 02:46.59 | mobtek | but I knicked them off my friend at the party on Saturday jehehe |
| 02:47.00 | MrGrim | time I could have spent on something that would have lasted |
| 02:47.02 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 02:47.04 | MrGrim | instead of something that died |
| 02:47.06 | exwhatever | annma: I don't want the boys to think they can just kick somebodys ass just for the hell of it, only when their sister cannot defend herself. |
| 02:47.08 | mobtek | bugger paying for them :) |
| 02:47.17 | aseigo | MrGrim: if you live in the moment, how can it be a loss? doesn't pining imply living in, or at least for, the past? |
| 02:47.23 | canllaith | mobtek: I usually get mine from my mother in law |
| 02:47.28 | canllaith | 1000 won for a pack of 20's |
| 02:47.31 | MrGrim | aseigo: I am kinda drunk |
| 02:47.34 | canllaith | so.. what's that, about a buck 20? |
| 02:47.35 | annma | exwhatever: yeah, what ages are the boys? |
| 02:47.38 | mobtek | haha canllaith good to see another serious bludger of smokes :) |
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| 02:47.43 | kayali | hello |
| 02:47.47 | aseigo | hello |
| 02:47.54 | annma | salut |
| 02:48.03 | aseigo | (you forgot "my name is _______ and i've been using kde for _____") |
| 02:48.05 | MrGrim | aseigo: when I see the past I only see the time and effort put into a failure |
| 02:48.23 | annma | MrGrim: hmm, that's grim |
| 02:48.24 | mjunkiexl | I found a way to FINALLY make the KDE taskbar transparent... anybody want a screenie? |
| 02:48.25 | aseigo | MrGrim: bah. life is not a failure unless we regret. |
| 02:48.25 | exwhatever | annma: set of twins that are 13, 10, and 8. |
| 02:48.36 | annma | woow |
| 02:48.42 | annma | woooooooooooooow even |
| 02:49.06 | canllaith | mobtek: of course, it's no fun if you have to pay for them yourselves |
| 02:49.13 | mobtek | mjunkiexl: http://www.mobtek.net/images/currentdesktop/kde340rc1-opacitykonsolekopetekonvi.png <-- like that? :P |
| 02:49.16 | mobtek | canllaith: bingo :) |
| 02:49.46 | exwhatever | annma: my doctor put a end to that for me, so I can play but not get pregnant again. |
| 02:49.57 | MrGrim | aseigo: regret is an important part of being human... something to be embraced.. as much as happyness, misery, pain, love, and all the other thing that make us human |
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| 02:50.06 | AnotherData | mobtek:nice desktop |
| 02:50.07 | mobtek | exwhatever: heh |
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| 02:50.25 | annma | MrGrim: regrets are vain |
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| 02:50.30 | aseigo | MrGrim: for me, regret is the alarm that goes off when we are wasting our precious time |
| 02:50.56 | MrGrim | there are things I have done I wish I had not... to view it any other way would be a lie |
| 02:50.59 | MrGrim | I cannot change that |
| 02:51.06 | aseigo | MrGrim: happyness, misery, pain, love, anger, joy ... emotion is beautiful.. regret is the realization of chances lost. |
| 02:51.17 | xorg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.20 | exwhatever | MrGrim: do you not want talk to me again? |
| 02:51.29 | mobtek | I hope 3.4.0 final is going to play well with xorg 6.8.2 with transparency and shadows, ie not randomly crashing xorg :P |
| 02:51.44 | mobtek | AnotherData: I like me eye-candy |
| 02:51.44 | aseigo | you can not change what you did .. but you can change how you feel about it. |
| 02:51.50 | MrGrim | ... |
| 02:51.53 | xorg | but dosn't seems to work with xfce4 :( |
| 02:51.54 | aseigo | the whole "coming to terms" with it thing |
| 02:51.55 | AnotherData | hehe |
| 02:51.59 | AnotherData | yeah same here |
| 02:52.01 | MrGrim | exwhatever: um did you ask me smthn? |
| 02:52.04 | MrGrim | or say smthn to me? |
| 02:52.07 | MrGrim | I might have missed it |
| 02:52.07 | AnotherData | im still waiting to upgrade to 3.4 |
| 02:52.08 | annma | exwhatever: interested in coding? |
| 02:52.16 | annma | testing? designing? |
| 02:52.39 | MrGrim | aseigo: but the only way to not regret it is to justify it |
| 02:52.45 | aseigo | not at all. |
| 02:52.45 | MrGrim | or is there a way you know of that I do not? |
| 02:52.48 | aseigo | one can accept. |
| 02:52.55 | MrGrim | hmm |
| 02:53.03 | exwhatever | MrGrim: I wanted to know if you still wanted to talk to me? |
| 02:53.04 | aseigo | at a certain point, regret teaches us nothing more. |
| 02:53.05 | MrGrim | the way I define regret I can regret and accept at the same time |
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| 02:53.26 | MrGrim | exwhatever: do I know you from somewhere? have we talked before? |
| 02:53.29 | aseigo | and so we simply accept that at a certain point in time we did that thing. which led us here. |
| 02:53.55 | aseigo | life is a path to the present. nothing else. |
| 02:53.59 | annma | regret conveys the thought you cannot get it again |
| 02:54.00 | MrGrim | aseigo: yes, but I may always wish I had not done it, and it is important I do if I am to learn from it |
| 02:54.19 | exwhatever | MrGrim: if you know redneckwoman yes you have talked to me before |
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| 02:54.26 | mjunkiexl | mobtek -- will let you know when it loads |
| 02:54.36 | aseigo | and if you hadn't done it, you wouldn't be where you are. and if you don't like where you are, then you've got bigger things to worry about. |
| 02:54.47 | mjunkiexl | mobtek -- no, that taskbar is not truly transparent |
| 02:54.51 | aseigo | one can learn and not be saddled with eternal regret. |
| 02:54.53 | mjunkiexl | I am talking a TRANSPARENT desktop |
| 02:54.58 | mobtek | mjunkiexl: no it isn't ahhh |
| 02:55.04 | mjunkiexl | errr |
| 02:55.08 | aseigo | mjunkiexl: how do you see it if its transparent? |
| 02:55.08 | mobtek | mjunkiexl: I am still compiling 3.4.0 :) |
| 02:55.08 | mjunkiexl | TRANSPARENT taskbar |
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| 02:55.26 | mobtek | aseigo: if something is updated underneath it |
| 02:55.29 | mjunkiexl | It's *impossible* to make the taskbar transparent in KDE without some trickeration :) |
| 02:55.30 | mjunkiexl | i.e. - a mod |
| 02:55.43 | _chavo | mjunkiexl, get taskbar2 from kde-apps.org for a trans taskbar |
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| 02:55.47 | mobtek | cya annma |
| 02:55.48 | MrGrim | aseigo: I am the kind of person who finds comfort in depression... I fear we have incompatable world views :) |
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| 02:55.53 | mjunkiexl | _chavo -_ I think that's it |
| 02:55.57 | mjunkiexl | Taskbar_V2 |
| 02:55.58 | mjunkiexl | is the name |
| 02:55.59 | aseigo | mobtek: but if its truly transparent, wouldn't that imply you can't see it? by definition? ;) |
| 02:56.02 | mobtek | i need more coffee ") |
| 02:56.14 | _chavo | yeah you have to have a good imagination :) |
| 02:56.16 | Latem | being a pessimist is wanderful. you are either proven right, or pleasently surprised. |
| 02:56.17 | mobtek | ~lart aseigo |
| 02:56.22 | mobtek | kekeke |
| 02:56.23 | _chavo | mmmm coffee |
| 02:56.30 | mobtek | ~seen epiphanni |
| 02:56.32 | apt | i haven't seen 'epiphanni', mobtek |
| 02:56.35 | aseigo | _chavo: want some too? |
| 02:56.36 | mobtek | ~seen epiphanny |
| 02:56.37 | apt | mobtek: i haven't seen 'epiphanny' |
| 02:56.37 | _chavo | just got back with a big glass full. |
| 02:56.43 | mobtek | ~seen phanni |
| 02:56.44 | apt | phanni <~claire@CPE-139-168-155-94.nsw.bigpond.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 30d 22h 28m 59s ago, saying: 'canllaith what video card do you have and which drivers are you using?'. |
| 02:56.47 | exwhatever | MrGrim: my ex is not feeding me, what kind of shit is that? |
| 02:56.56 | mjunkiexl | Here's a screenie ... it's got a babe on it, so this link is rated PG-13 ... http://www.ncaabbs.com/gts/gts-newdesktop.png ... taskbar is just to left of tray it's blurred in one spot b/c a new window came up when I took the screenie |
| 02:56.58 | MrGrim | exwhatever: ok who are you? |
| 02:57.10 | dwango | mjunkiexl: http://www.se.rit.edu/~jrv4595/desktop.png |
| 02:57.28 | MrGrim | You don't have permission to access the requested directory. There is either no index document or the directory is read-protected. You don't have permission to access the requested object. It is either read-protected or not readable by the server. |
| 02:57.29 | aseigo | MrGrim: she's your conscience. like jimminy cricket. only on irc. |
| 02:57.36 | mjunkiexl | dwango: "You don't have permission to access the requested directory." |
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| 02:57.42 | dwango | ugh |
| 02:57.47 | mobtek | kekek dwango |
| 02:57.53 | aseigo | MrGrim: and with 5 kids. |
| 02:57.53 | MrGrim | exwhatever: no offense or whatever but out of the blue you started telling me personal things and I have no idea why |
| 02:58.06 | dwango | try again =) |
| 02:58.07 | MrGrim | exwhatever: you act like we know each other, and if we do I'm sorry for my poor memory but I don't remember you |
| 02:58.25 | MrGrim | so |
| 02:58.27 | MrGrim | what's up? |
| 02:58.50 | mobtek | is taskbar2 in 3.4.0 or in HEAD? |
| 02:58.55 | mjunkiexl | dwango -- assuming you didn't slap a b/g color on it.. then yep :) |
| 02:58.56 | aseigo | neither |
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| 02:59.13 | aseigo | mobtek: i'm in touch with the author though. hopefully they'll get a patch together someday |
| 02:59.19 | mjunkiexl | mobtek -- do a google for Taskbar_V2 |
| 02:59.28 | aseigo | google? pft |
| 02:59.31 | aseigo | apps:taskbarv2 |
| 02:59.33 | dwango | or, in gentoo, "emerge mtaskbar" |
| 02:59.34 | kayali | canllaith: ping |
| 02:59.48 | aseigo | kayali: pong. |
| 02:59.53 | mjunkiexl | I didn't see it in portage... so I used the SIMPLE installer (# ./install ) |
| 02:59.53 | exwhatever | mr.g: I am 34, who likes to get along with everybody until they start to get on my nerves, that takes alot. I like to meet new people anywhere anytime except certain places if you know what I mean. I just don't just go out with anyone either. I am very scaerd of what is out there. |
| 03:00.05 | mjunkiexl | dwango -- how many decades you give 2005.0 to come out? ;) |
| 03:00.20 | aseigo | "anywhere anytime except certain places" <-- prison? |
| 03:00.22 | dwango | i don't know |
| 03:00.34 | dwango | after initially installing, the release doesn't matter anymore |
| 03:00.39 | dwango | or it shouldn't, at least. |
| 03:00.46 | kayali | If I remember well canllaith was considering purchasing an ibook, but got afraid when she learned (learnt?) that wifi was unsupported under Linux |
| 03:00.50 | MrGrim | you also seem to have very few walls put up between you and the world |
| 03:01.04 | MrGrim | it's an unusual thing |
| 03:01.12 | dwango | i can't say i'm a fan of these new split ebuilds for KDE 3.4, though. |
| 03:01.23 | MrGrim | dwango: I LOVE them |
| 03:01.26 | dwango | too much time wasted on configuring every little thing. |
| 03:01.32 | MrGrim | I wish the kde team would do it with kde itself |
| 03:01.33 | kayali | dwango: and they're still not ~ppc keyworded... |
| 03:01.41 | exwhatever | aseingo: no, I am saying like at a new club that I would go to for the first time. I know everybody at the clubs I go too. |
| 03:01.42 | MrGrim | these monolithic packages are a gd waste |
| 03:02.02 | MrGrim | I ended up only installing a third of the apps I woul dhave with the monolithic ones |
| 03:02.03 | kayali | I wish kde would be a single big package. who needs splitting ? |
| 03:02.27 | MrGrim | I don't like installing 10 things I'll never use to get the 1 thing I will |
| 03:02.54 | MrGrim | especially when I'm compiling them |
| 03:03.10 | canllaith | kayali: indeed |
| 03:03.13 | kayali | well, you'll never discover new exciting sides of kde if you only install konqi, kate and kdevelop ;) |
| 03:03.33 | canllaith | Wifi is sooo important |
| 03:03.42 | MrGrim | kayali: I know what every app in kde does, and I keep close track of kde development |
| 03:03.43 | dwango | well, i'll bne damned if i'm going to go through and select every ebuild i actually want. |
| 03:03.45 | MrGrim | I know what's there |
| 03:03.45 | canllaith | at any rate, I now have a 12" notebook lighter than an ibook so I'm happy :) |
| 03:03.52 | dwango | i just did the *-meta ones |
| 03:03.58 | slackd00d | dwango: i aggree |
| 03:03.59 | MrGrim | dwango: I did :) |
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| 03:04.37 | MrGrim | hmm |
| 03:04.42 | MrGrim | another insightbb user |
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| 03:04.57 | kayali | canllaith: oh, so the driver would have been too late anyway ;) It's under heavy dev, but at least it nearly exists now ;) |
| 03:05.15 | canllaith | kayali: indeed, and sleep support for ati based powerbooks too :D |
| 03:05.20 | MrGrim | quiet: mind if I send you a file? you're the perfect person to test my traffic shaper with.. you can delete it if you want, but it'll be a song so youmight wanna listen to it because I have GREAT taste |
| 03:05.23 | df00z | http://pastebin.ca/7602 Hey. Does KDEartwork need ot be patched for something? Gentoo wants to patch it with some file that doesnt exist on my hd |
| 03:05.33 | kayali | canllaith: which laptop is that by the way? (I love laptops too, especially 12" ones :) |
| 03:05.36 | canllaith | It doesn't need to be patched |
| 03:05.50 | MrGrim | df00z: gentoo patches many apps.. usually they fix bugs |
| 03:05.53 | MrGrim | or inconsistancies |
| 03:05.53 | quiet | MrGrim, why am I perfect? |
| 03:05.58 | MrGrim | in general the patches are non invasive |
| 03:06.01 | mobtek | yay my credit card rewards just came in the mail! |
| 03:06.01 | canllaith | You'd best ask in #gentoo since I bet they'd know immediately what it is |
| 03:06.01 | mjunkiexl | awllllll man I missed MythBusters ... **** |
| 03:06.03 | mobtek | woot! |
| 03:06.08 | df00z | #gentoo isnt responding |
| 03:06.08 | canllaith | unless MrGrim happens to know exactly what it is |
| 03:06.15 | MrGrim | quiet: you are on the insightbb network, I will likely reach my max speed with you |
| 03:06.24 | quiet | ahh.. where ya at? |
| 03:06.25 | canllaith | kayali: http://bryson.co.nz/files/l400/l400.html |
| 03:06.26 | exwhatever | MrGrim: I will be right back I need to go get something to eat. |
| 03:06.26 | df00z | but googling shows it to fix some bug when kdeartwork is compiled with --without-opengl |
| 03:06.34 | MrGrim | quiet: bowling green, ky? |
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| 03:06.35 | MrGrim | erm |
| 03:06.37 | MrGrim | minus the ? |
| 03:06.39 | quiet | Rockford, IL |
| 03:06.43 | MrGrim | anyways, is it ok if I dcc you a file? |
| 03:06.48 | Oleg_ | what's wrong with Apollon?!! |
| 03:06.51 | canllaith | kayali: second hand, mostly because I prefer pentium III notebooks that will use APM well |
| 03:06.52 | quiet | sure.. i think :/ |
| 03:07.10 | canllaith | I do have a pentium 4 that uses acpi, but it was a real pain to get everything working 12 months ago when I got it |
| 03:07.15 | MrGrim | df00z: I recommending trying to sync again |
| 03:07.15 | canllaith | now 2.6 has matured it's a bit easier |
| 03:07.21 | MrGrim | patches are kept in the portage tree |
| 03:07.30 | quiet | MrGrim, do I have to do anything, or will it pop up?? (I'm on X-Chat..) |
| 03:08.19 | MrGrim | quiet: can you tell me the speed you are getting it at? |
| 03:08.20 | illogic-al | yo |
| 03:09.01 | quiet | it's sitting at about 30 - 33 KB/s |
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| 03:09.05 | illogic-al | anyone here have an idea of why screensavers won't start when Make aware of power management is turned on? |
| 03:09.07 | MrGrim | damnit |
| 03:09.16 | quiet | you on 4 Mb? |
| 03:09.19 | canllaith | absolutely none |
| 03:09.20 | MrGrim | what part of 320 kbps does this thing not understand :/ |
| 03:09.29 | illogic-al | :-( |
| 03:09.31 | aseigo | 290 |
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| 03:09.34 | MrGrim | quiet: ya... but the upstream for 4mbit is 384 |
| 03:09.39 | daum | where are the cookies equivalent kept for konqueror? |
| 03:09.45 | quiet | MrGrim, ahh.. |
| 03:09.51 | MrGrim | 384kbps |
| 03:09.56 | MrGrim | I am trying to limit it to 320 |
| 03:10.02 | quiet | 30% DONE |
| 03:10.12 | MrGrim | bit it is limiting it closer to 240 |
| 03:10.57 | _chris | btw |
| 03:10.58 | aseigo | daum: in the cookie jar. |
| 03:11.06 | _chris | is " metabar " in kde 3.4 ? |
| 03:11.11 | aseigo | daum: `kde-config --localprefix`/share/apps/kcookiejar/cookies |
| 03:11.13 | daum | where is that? since i need to delete a certain site... |
| 03:11.25 | kayali | aseigo: I listen to *your* show on LugRadio, it was fine, except that you really speak too fast. Next time, try to take this funny british accent, it makes things much clearer for us frenchies ;) |
| 03:11.34 | illogic-al | _chris: no |
| 03:11.36 | aseigo | daum: why not just do it via Settings -> Configure Konqueror on the cookies page? |
| 03:11.58 | aseigo | kayali: hahaha |
| 03:12.18 | daum | aseigo, i am on the page how do i tell it to delete all cookes on the current webpage |
| 03:12.20 | daum | well pertaining to it |
| 03:12.22 | aseigo | kayali: yeah, i tend to talk quickly. i was even talking slowly (for me) on that one |
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| 03:12.48 | kayali | aseigo: well, also my understanding of spoken english is somehow lacking ... :( |
| 03:12.50 | aseigo | daum: go under the Settings menu. Configure Konqueror. go to the Cookies page (icons on the left side... scroll down till you see it) |
| 03:12.57 | canllaith | aseigo: your accent is amazingly adorable, but you already knew I thought that |
| 03:12.57 | daum | doh |
| 03:12.58 | daum | yeah |
| 03:13.02 | daum | haha totally missed that |
| 03:13.06 | daum | i swear i'm not a newb to linux=p |
| 03:13.17 | aseigo | daum: 'tis all good =) |
| 03:13.23 | aseigo | daum: welcome to linux and kde =) |
| 03:13.31 | aseigo | canllaith: heh... =P |
| 03:13.38 | mobtek | canllaith: hahaha |
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| 03:14.21 | canllaith | aseigo: uhuh, of courrrrrrrrrse not. |
| 03:14.34 | quiet | MrGrim, done |
| 03:14.40 | canllaith | Obviously I'm wrong aboot that :) |
| 03:14.40 | MrGrim | (JuK) [Rushes] 1 - The Fireman - Watercolour Guitars [0:03/5:48] [OGG/320kbps/12.3MB] |
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| 03:15.08 | aseigo | canllaith: hahahaah.. pfffft.... |
| 03:15.24 | kayali | still... I remember at one point, you said "I love their logo". That seemed very funny as everyone laughed. I've listened to it again and again, but still I couldn't understand... Which logo is that? ;) |
| 03:15.32 | canllaith | Interestingly enough, you don't sound all that canadian to me |
| 03:15.40 | canllaith | Just the occasional 'aboot' |
| 03:15.42 | brucehoult | when you're oot and aboot in a boat, you mean? |
| 03:16.03 | aseigo | kayali: hula. |
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| 03:16.31 | mobtek | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/ |
| 03:16.32 | mobtek | oh dear |
| 03:16.40 | aseigo | kayali: the joke was that some people were totally hyping Hula as being so amazing and i basically said the best thing it had going for it was it's logo ;) |
| 03:16.42 | MrGrim | god I can't wait until tomorrow |
| 03:16.43 | aseigo | mobtek: you can click through it |
| 03:17.17 | mobtek | aseigo: yeah but still good on them :) |
| 03:17.34 | aseigo | mobtek: oh indeed. lovely logo. great marketing. |
| 03:17.36 | MrGrim | I get to have a doctor cut holes in the back of my head |
| 03:17.38 | MrGrim | it's gonna be GREAT |
| 03:17.59 | df00z | scary :( |
| 03:18.09 | aseigo | MrGrim: hair plugs? |
| 03:18.15 | aseigo | MrGrim: or just your basic trepanation? |
| 03:18.26 | canllaith | Yikes :| untarring kdelibs/base/network/pim/multimedia/amarok/konversation into /opt/kde-unstable is taking a wee while |
| 03:18.28 | grepper | aseigo: underhanded ? |
| 03:18.36 | mobtek | aseigo: heh I will not turn the other cheek Sporto McChief :P |
| 03:18.45 | aseigo | grepper: backhanded. |
| 03:18.52 | grepper | :) |
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| 03:19.36 | MrGrim | aseigo: two cysts |
| 03:19.46 | grepper | what do those guys smoke before the show ? |
| 03:19.52 | MrGrim | the hair has fallen out over them... I got two hairless bumps on the back of my head |
| 03:19.52 | aseigo | MrGrim: i'd just name them and draw eyeballs on them. |
| 03:19.56 | MrGrim | surrounded by a skin infection |
| 03:19.58 | MrGrim | it's quite nasty |
| 03:20.03 | MrGrim | and I can't WAIT for them to dig them out |
| 03:20.18 | mobtek | MrGrim: ewww nice mental image :P |
| 03:20.26 | MrGrim | I try :) |
| 03:20.29 | mobtek | hahah aseigo |
| 03:20.37 | aseigo | MrGrim: are they oozing pus syet? |
| 03:20.44 | MrGrim | one has a few times |
| 03:20.52 | MrGrim | I didn't notice it until I felt it dripping down the back of my neck |
| 03:20.55 | MrGrim | AFTER my hair was soaked |
| 03:20.57 | MrGrim | I mean.. |
| 03:20.59 | MrGrim | that was a LOT of puss |
| 03:21.10 | aseigo | what colour was the puss? |
| 03:21.20 | MrGrim | a mix of red, white, and brown |
| 03:21.24 | grepper | ewh |
| 03:21.32 | aseigo | did you taste it? |
| 03:21.48 | MrGrim | it had a bit of a sou rmilk flavor |
| 03:21.50 | illogic-al | ew |
| 03:21.53 | illogic-al | tmi |
| 03:22.02 | illogic-al | wtmi |
| 03:22.04 | aseigo | i always thought head cyst puss would taste like that |
| 03:22.06 | MrGrim | lol |
| 03:22.18 | mobtek | aseigo: hehe liked the scratch-your-itch blog post |
| 03:22.24 | aseigo | have you ever seen "how to get ahead in advertising"? |
| 03:22.27 | aseigo | mobtek: ;) |
| 03:23.01 | illogic-al | i'd rather scratch aseigo's itch |
| 03:23.25 | illogic-al | far more fulfilling |
| 03:23.41 | Alethes | I wouldn't wanna scratch MrGrim's itch |
| 03:23.46 | mobtek | then there's NeroLinux, which K3B utterly takes to school. K3B is generally faster, has more features and looks better. bah. |
| 03:23.48 | illogic-al | lol |
| 03:23.51 | mobtek | haha so true |
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| 03:26.17 | AnotherData_ | adobe reader for linux has been fast tho |
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| 03:26.47 | aseigo | mobtek: i write the soundbites that make the young coders cry |
| 03:26.59 | aseigo | </barrymanilow> |
| 03:27.30 | kyron | Arrgl!!..HELP!, I am typing a huge e-mail (well,not that huge but long). So I save it as a draft, come back to open it and all accented characters are mangled: é became é ..I tried changing the encoding using utf-8 or iso-8859-1 ...no change...the horrible characters stay..Anyone can help me with this one??! (running kmail from kontact 3.4.0 under gantoo) |
| 03:28.03 | mobtek | haha mission accomplished! |
| 03:28.07 | aseigo | hehehehe |
| 03:28.24 | mobtek | hahaha |
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| 03:29.31 | tcaira | Hullo |
| 03:30.03 | Mully | Where can i find out how to integrate a terminal window into my kde desktop? |
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| 03:30.42 | tcaira | Mully: You're probably looking for something like `xterm' or `konsole' which you most likely already have |
| 03:30.49 | Mully | yep |
| 03:30.57 | Mully | but i want it to be part of the desktop |
| 03:31.05 | illogic-al | kyron: Options -> Set Encoding in the compose window |
| 03:31.06 | tcaira | Oh, ok. |
| 03:31.25 | illogic-al | Mully: kuake |
| 03:32.16 | Mully | i already have xplanet with clouds and stuff, but i want to have a terminal in there as well |
| 03:32.37 | tcaira | Maybe there's some SuperKaramba dealie with what you want? |
| 03:32.37 | *** part/#kde zack (~zack@sebastian.redhat.com) |
| 03:32.41 | kyron | illogic-al, as stated in my help yelp...that didn't change anything.. |
| 03:32.49 | kayali | so basicly you want a borderless and decorationless terminal?` |
| 03:32.53 | Mully | yes |
| 03:33.00 | aseigo | god bittorrent still sucks. |
| 03:33.07 | tcaira | Um |
| 03:33.11 | aseigo | why the fuck can't people write software that doesn't blow goats. |
| 03:33.16 | Mully | i am able to to do what, but it still raises and covers my desktop ikons |
| 03:33.17 | illogic-al | Mully: with konsole you'll always have a top and bottom border :--/ |
| 03:33.25 | aseigo | i suppose if you're a goat it's a great thing. too bad i'm a human being. =( |
| 03:33.34 | exwhatever | mrg; are you still there? |
| 03:33.35 | illogic-al | bt is awesome. |
| 03:33.41 | tcaira | aseigo: Do you have any... specific criticism? |
| 03:33.48 | Mully | illogical it still floats avove the desktop icons. |
| 03:33.49 | aseigo | a) the GUI is horrid |
| 03:33.51 | tcaira | Saying that it blows goats gets noone anywhere |
| 03:33.53 | aseigo | b) the protocol is a joke |
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| 03:33.56 | illogic-al | you need to stop downloading stuff people aren't sharing anymore aseigo |
| 03:33.58 | aseigo | the concept is good |
| 03:34.02 | mobtek | aseigo: have you read the bittorrent python? |
| 03:34.05 | aseigo | the implementation is ... frightening |
| 03:34.05 | illogic-al | aseigo: azureus |
| 03:34.07 | aseigo | mobtek: in detail |
| 03:34.09 | mobtek | aseigo: it's very very scary :P |
| 03:34.22 | mobtek | aseigo: you found it spaghetti code too? |
| 03:34.24 | SeanReloaded | anyone here used Konstruct before? |
| 03:34.44 | aseigo | brucehoult: behind a firewall? |
| 03:34.45 | mobtek | hehe I have |
| 03:34.46 | illogic-al | i have |
| 03:34.46 | kyron | Another problem, typing in the kmail interface is excruciatingly _slow_.... hell, this is a P4 and I type faster than it can display (and disabled auto-spellchexk to make sure it wasn't killing it all) |
| 03:34.55 | illogic-al | and got bless it :-) |
| 03:34.58 | brucehoult | aseigo: behing NAT |
| 03:34.59 | aseigo | brucehoult: or are you just into the really niche porn? |
| 03:34.59 | exwhatever | aseigo: where I am it is very scary right now. |
| 03:35.06 | aseigo | brucehoult: yeah, you need to open up the ports |
| 03:35.12 | aseigo | exwhatever: oh? |
| 03:35.26 | illogic-al | hahah |
| 03:35.31 | aseigo | tcaira: you involved w/bt devel? |
| 03:35.33 | SeanReloaded | I just did a clean install of Suse 9.1, then wanted to use Konstruct. Will it correctly overwrite existing KDE packages? |
| 03:35.44 | exwhatever | aseigo: everybody is yelling at each other. |
| 03:35.45 | SeanReloaded | Or should I do a clean install without KDE, then use Konstruct? |
| 03:35.49 | brucehoult | aseigo: well I *do* get data, but at typically 1k - 3k per second. And then as soon as I've got some data, people grab it from me at 40 KB/sec |
| 03:36.05 | brucehoult | .. despite the NAT |
| 03:36.13 | illogic-al | that always happens in the beginining |
| 03:36.16 | aseigo | tcaira: if so, i could provide some suggestions. like how IP addrs are 32bit words so you don't have to pack individual 8bit bytes as chars to send it across the network? |
| 03:36.35 | tcaira | No, I'm not. |
| 03:36.40 | mobtek | aseigo: make it compatible with Qt3 and release it dude |
| 03:36.44 | illogic-al | i use bt behind a router at home with the correct security holes, er ports, open and all is well |
| 03:36.46 | brucehoult | illogic-al: well, it happens for *hours*, when I can usualyl just grab the damn file at 100 - 250 KB/sec conventionally |
| 03:36.49 | aseigo | or how one should not send size informatoin AFTER the data has arrived on the wire |
| 03:37.11 | mobtek | aseigo: not that I am one to talk, I need to really get started on enKode as well heheheeh |
| 03:37.12 | tcaira | aseigo: There is always #bittorrent, I'm sure they'd be happy to hear your suggestinos |
| 03:37.16 | _chavo | SeanReloaded, by default konstruct installs in your home dir. |
| 03:37.20 | aseigo | tcaira: been there done that |
| 03:37.22 | illogic-al | brucehoult: all i can suggest is to use azureus, that's the client that performs best for me |
| 03:37.24 | tcaira | aseigo: Ah |
| 03:37.27 | mobtek | well I've sortof started hehehe |
| 03:37.32 | mobtek | illogic-al: same |
| 03:37.36 | illogic-al | i used to used shadow's client but that's ugfly too |
| 03:38.01 | exwhatever | aseigo: I sometimes wish I could just runaway sometimes from everybody. |
| 03:38.02 | mobtek | hmm mebbe the Handbrake code base won't be the right one |
| 03:38.06 | SeanReloaded | chavo, so when it compiles and installs KDE, it is not system-wide? |
| 03:38.11 | aseigo | tcaira: after reverse engineering the protocol by reading the python (after being pointed multiple times to the out dated joke of a spec doc >:-| ) i asked some questions, got very few answers.. and my devel partner got told to basically piss off |
| 03:38.14 | Octane | if my panel crashed, how can i reaload it |
| 03:38.15 | tcaira | aseigo: Well, just use a different protocol, or implement the changes you want to see yourself, if they don't want to hear anuthing of it. |
| 03:38.19 | aseigo | exwhatever: hum... that's not so good |
| 03:38.24 | tcaira | aseigo: I guess... :^P |
| 03:38.24 | chavo | SeanReloaded, you can, but it's not the default setting. |
| 03:38.33 | illogic-al | the only time i get 1-3 k is when i'm downloading from school and i KNOW that they're specifically blocking bt ports |
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| 03:38.45 | illogic-al | since i kinda the reason they're doing that }:-) |
| 03:38.46 | aseigo | "look, i have a better protocol. only nobody uses it. hum." |
| 03:38.55 | SeanReloaded | chavo, hmm, I see. So perhaps it would just be easier to download updated Suse packages? |
| 03:39.04 | tcaira | Octane: Hit Alt-F2, and then type kicker, then hit enter |
| 03:39.32 | Octane | tcaira, thank you :) |
| 03:39.38 | tcaira | Octane: No problem |
| 03:39.41 | chavo | SeanReloaded, it depends. Yes packages are easier, but if you like to install from source konstruct is very easy as well. |
| 03:39.48 | exwhatever | aseigo: how do you deal with your ex yelling at you, and your children? |
| 03:40.01 | chavo | I used it to build KDE on this Mandrake 10.1 box. |
| 03:40.03 | aseigo | exwhatever: she doesn't yell at me. or peyton. |
| 03:40.11 | tcaira | I'm actually having a bit of trouble installing 3.4 from source. I'm getting the following error message configure: error: /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf (imake) failed. |
| 03:40.15 | aseigo | exwhatever: we like each other =) she was over for dinner last night. |
| 03:40.20 | tcaira | Google has probed to be no help. |
| 03:40.23 | chavo | I didn't install KDE from mandrakes packages though. |
| 03:40.23 | illogic-al | ahah! |
| 03:40.27 | illogic-al | xorg error! |
| 03:40.33 | tcaira | It hasn't proved to be a help either. |
| 03:40.45 | tcaira | illogic-al: Well, the libraries appear to be where they should be |
| 03:40.55 | exwhatever | aseigo: I like to try to deal with the fact that my ex doesn't care how I feel. |
| 03:41.11 | aseigo | exwhatever: that's really quite unfortunate. nobody should be treated in such a manner. |
| 03:41.24 | SeanReloaded | chavo, ok, well thanks for the info :) |
| 03:41.33 | chavo | sure |
| 03:41.53 | tcaira | illogic-al: Actually, I have no idea. |
| 03:41.59 | mobtek | exwhatever: yo slap a AVP on his ass :) |
| 03:42.02 | mobtek | you even |
| 03:42.10 | brucehoult | aseigo: yeah but how do you *not* put up with it? By threatening to leave? |
| 03:42.16 | tcaira | illogic-al: How might I go about trying to fix this? |
| 03:42.16 | exwhatever | aseigo: I plan on going back to Fort Worth, Tx tommorow. Maybe that will help out alot. |
| 03:42.22 | aseigo | brucehoult: people are malleable. |
| 03:42.28 | illogic-al | tcaira: do you have xorg 6.8.1-2 installed? |
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| 03:42.38 | grepper | SeanReloaded: why konstruct when there are 3.4 packages ? |
| 03:42.39 | chavo | aseigo, they always bend back. |
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| 03:42.48 | illogic-al | 6.8.1/6.8.2 |
| 03:42.53 | aseigo | chavo: good one =) |
| 03:43.09 | tcaira | illogic-al: How do you check its version? |
| 03:43.11 | aseigo | brucehoult: fiendly? well, THERE's the problem |
| 03:43.17 | aseigo | brucehoult: you should try friendly instead |
| 03:43.18 | illogic-al | X -version i think |
| 03:43.23 | tcaira | Ah, one - |
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| 03:43.31 | illogic-al | lol |
| 03:43.37 | tcaira | 6.8.1 |
| 03:43.43 | brucehoult | aseigo: that btw was an in-joke tyop :-) |
| 03:43.46 | finbert | anyone having problems with sound not working after upgrading to 3.4? |
| 03:43.58 | finbert | besides me... |
| 03:44.08 | tcaira | finbert: Nope. Just you. |
| 03:44.22 | aseigo | most of my ex's don't get mad at me. |
| 03:44.23 | mobtek | finbert: restart alsa? |
| 03:44.23 | tcaira | finbert: ;-P |
| 03:44.35 | tcaira | finbert: How did you install 3.4? |
| 03:44.39 | illogic-al | tcaira: can you send me your configure.log? |
| 03:44.39 | exwhatever | aseigo: I love my boys, but they don't like to mind. |
| 03:44.45 | tcaira | illogic-al: Hell no! |
| 03:44.48 | tcaira | illogic-al: Just a min... |
| 03:44.49 | brucehoult | http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/view_member_history.asp?member=864108 |
| 03:44.53 | finbert | i used gentoo and emerged it by seperate packages |
| 03:44.58 | finbert | i know it installed arts |
| 03:45.08 | finbert | and everything _says_ sound should work |
| 03:45.11 | finbert | but nothing happens |
| 03:45.20 | epyon9283 | muted? |
| 03:45.21 | finbert | and if i log into kde3.3.2 it works |
| 03:45.25 | finbert | :) |
| 03:45.27 | finbert | good idea |
| 03:45.30 | tcaira | lol |
| 03:45.42 | tcaira | illogic-al: How do you want me to send it? |
| 03:45.57 | tcaira | illogic-al: I am highly WM-less ATM |
| 03:46.00 | illogic-al | dcc |
| 03:46.07 | kayali | finbert: is the sound server enabled ? |
| 03:46.11 | illogic-al | ooch |
| 03:46.43 | finbert | yes sound server is enabled |
| 03:46.55 | finbert | and kmix had showed it muted, but unmuting dind't work |
| 03:47.00 | finbert | i remember this happening though before |
| 03:47.03 | tcaira | illogic-al: Did that work? I totally guessed the dcc syntax |
| 03:47.05 | illogic-al | tcaira: that doesn't seem to be working |
| 03:47.05 | finbert | kmix coudln't unmute it |
| 03:47.08 | tcaira | ok |
| 03:47.10 | finbert | and i had to use alsamixer |
| 03:47.14 | illogic-al | are you firewalled? |
| 03:47.15 | finbert | ....lets try that |
| 03:47.19 | tcaira | DCC SEND request sent to illogic-al: config.log |
| 03:47.26 | exwhatever | aseigo: I will probably email you when I get to Fort worth will that be Okay? |
| 03:47.43 | aseigo | exwhatever: sure |
| 03:47.50 | tcaira | illogic-al: Yeah... but I have DCC'd in the past |
| 03:48.06 | illogic-al | tcaira: me too |
| 03:48.32 | exwhatever | aseigo: I really can't talk that much about what is going on here right now. |
| 03:48.38 | finbert | hehe sound :O) |
| 03:48.50 | finbert | kmix should come default not off |
| 03:48.52 | aseigo | SOUND |
| 03:49.52 | AnotherData__ | us slackware users always get kde packages last :/ |
| 03:49.52 | finbert | what program is kde using to give gtk programs its theme? |
| 03:50.10 | finbert | the gtk-qt-theme? |
| 03:50.19 | finbert | hehe, i installed kde3.4 last night |
| 03:50.22 | finbert | gentoo! |
| 03:50.27 | aseigo | qtgtk |
| 03:50.34 | illogic-al | linux! |
| 03:50.49 | illogic-al | WOW |
| 03:50.50 | kayali | I spent the past few weeks running OSX... and what can I say... this is such an inferior OS... It's incredible apple still sells some. The Mac Cult is really a mystery to me... |
| 03:50.59 | exwhatever | aseigo: I am wanting a real strong drink right now. Like Jack and coke. |
| 03:51.13 | kayali | good idea |
| 03:51.16 | aseigo | exwhatever: make mine a scotch =) |
| 03:51.20 | kayali | some ruhm for me |
| 03:51.53 | exwhatever | aseigno: I say we all get togeither and get drunk> |
| 03:51.55 | finbert | kavali: you dind't like osx? |
| 03:52.08 | finbert | i love it...fully integration of everythign out of the box |
| 03:52.14 | finbert | no drivers, no configuring...just done |
| 03:52.16 | illogic-al | a can of 7-up just fell right off of my desk turn upside in mid-air in just the perfect position at the perfect time to be directly over the sole hole in the top of my case for the fan |
| 03:52.30 | illogic-al | luckily the can was empty, that almost didn't end well |
| 03:52.52 | finbert | lol...ya that would have sucked |
| 03:53.37 | exwhatever | aseigo: what kind of drink would you like? I use to bartend. |
| 03:53.49 | aseigo | scotch. i'm a simple person =) |
| 03:54.11 | aseigo | tonight i could go for a nice Oban ... |
| 03:54.19 | dwango | i've got some cheap scotch here that nobody wants |
| 03:54.29 | kayali | finbert: it's cute, but if feels retarded. The Finder is terrible when dealing with samba networks, the whole UI feels sluggish (not everyone has a powermac G5), the finder polls like crazy (really, that still exists in commercial software), Safari can't do FTP (can you bellieve it??) ... what else can I say? Oh yeah, every app you may find interresting costs at least 30Euros... Heck. Yuck. Beurk. |
| 03:54.31 | aseigo | dwango: how cheap? |
| 03:54.42 | exwhatever | aseigo: would you like just a shot or just a nice tall glass of scotch? |
| 03:54.52 | dwango | $15/L? =) |
| 03:54.57 | mobtek | I have Oban here heheh |
| 03:55.03 | aseigo | exwhatever: i usually drink it an ounce or three at atime in a heavy tumbler.. mmmmm.. |
| 03:55.08 | dwango | $15 USD |
| 03:55.10 | aseigo | dwango: that's not scotch. that's peat water. |
| 03:55.15 | kayali | finbert: but I would recommand it to the people who don't like computers, since it actually just works. |
| 03:55.24 | dwango | aseigo, hence nobody wanting it =) |
| 03:55.33 | aseigo | dwango: which distilerie? |
| 03:55.46 | mobtek | aseigo: I haven't opened my oban yeah jejeej |
| 03:55.49 | canllaith | If people don't like computers I wouldn't recommend any OS at all. |
| 03:55.52 | canllaith | I'd tell them not to buy a computer. |
| 03:55.54 | mobtek | yet even |
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| 03:56.12 | mobtek | kayali: an abacus |
| 03:56.22 | mobtek | but with another c methinks |
| 03:56.25 | aseigo | mobtek: damn. slide me a glass when you do open it |
| 03:56.26 | exwhatever | aseigo: I usually like to drink moonshine with my grandfather. |
| 03:56.29 | kayali | mobtek: abacus? |
| 03:56.44 | mobtek | a manual binary counting tool :) |
| 03:56.53 | aseigo | binary? |
| 03:56.53 | mobtek | exwhatever: can you still see? |
| 03:56.55 | finbert | ok, heres another question...i have sound working in kde, however system notification sounds dont work |
| 03:57.05 | mobtek | you could use it for binary :P |
| 03:57.08 | aseigo | you mean "manual digital"? |
| 03:57.12 | mobtek | it just sounded cool :P |
| 03:57.13 | finbert | i've narrowed it down to this: the system (kde) can't play .ogg files, but can play .wav |
| 03:57.21 | kayali | mobtek: oh... the chinese acestor to the calculator? |
| 03:57.22 | aseigo | it's not particularly binary. but it is digital. as in "uses digits" ;) |
| 03:57.25 | mobtek | manual-digit digital |
| 03:57.26 | exwhatever | aseigo: are you male or female? |
| 03:57.29 | Mully | i guess what would work is be able to give konsole a transparent background that does not obscure the desktop icons. |
| 03:57.30 | finbert | im assuming ikde just needs ogg libraries, but where are they? |
| 03:57.34 | aseigo | libogg |
| 03:57.41 | Mully | i guess what would work is be able to give konsole a transparent background that does not obscure the desktop icons. |
| 03:57.43 | Mully | sorry |
| 03:58.00 | finbert | hmm, ya thats already installed |
| 03:58.02 | mobtek | Mully: download and install basKet |
| 03:58.05 | Mully | i hit back by mistake |
| 03:58.08 | mobtek | then put all your desktop icons in there |
| 03:58.19 | mobtek | and make a dcop call for a keyboard shortcut :P |
| 03:58.24 | Mully | never heard of that |
| 03:58.32 | mobtek | and you suddenly have desktop real estate again :) |
| 03:58.48 | canllaith | aseigo: I'm impressed with kicker refactoring |
| 03:58.52 | exwhatever | aseigo: you didn't answer my question. |
| 03:58.56 | canllaith | I've removed my 'killall -9 kicker' keyboard shortcut |
| 03:59.02 | mobtek | Mully: http://www.mobtek.net/images/currentdesktop/kde332amrok12basketkonsole.jpg :P |
| 03:59.04 | kayali | DCop? is this kde's ripoff of dbus?` |
| 03:59.09 | canllaith | and my 'dcop kicker kicker restart' shortcut rarely gets used now ;) |
| 03:59.15 | mobtek | muhahahaha |
| 03:59.23 | canllaith | * and I've seen a lot of sun's going down.... * |
| 03:59.30 | mobtek | kayali: thats funny |
| 03:59.37 | Octane | anyone know of a good ftp client? |
| 03:59.39 | canllaith | * so let me tell you something... sister... remember your name... * |
| 03:59.43 | Octane | Kasalbanca sucks :X |
| 03:59.45 | Alethes | Octane: konq :) |
| 03:59.46 | aseigo | canllaith: just wait till i get back to hacking on it agai n;) |
| 03:59.47 | exwhatever | mobtek: are you male or female? |
| 03:59.51 | _chris | lol dcop ist the grandpa of dbus |
| 03:59.56 | Octane | Alethes, besides konq :) |
| 03:59.57 | mobtek | exwhatever: I am a neuter dwarf paladan |
| 04:00.11 | aseigo | mobtek: what alignment? |
| 04:00.16 | aseigo | oh wai.t |
| 04:00.17 | mobtek | my true name is Ganzr |
| 04:00.19 | aseigo | lawful good |
| 04:00.21 | aseigo | paladin |
| 04:00.32 | illogic-al | yay |
| 04:00.43 | illogic-al | i've got the 3.4 source tree. woot |
| 04:00.44 | mobtek | aseigo: haha I changed that to fighter and made my alignment totally evil :P |
| 04:00.52 | exwhatever | aseigo: what the hell are you talking about? |
| 04:00.55 | canllaith | * sister... you've been on my mind... sister.. we're two of a kind.... so .... sister... I'm keeping my eyes on you... * |
| 04:01.01 | kayali | Octane: Nautilus ? |
| 04:01.10 | aseigo | exwhatever: paladins are lawful good... though i think they can also be neutral good, though that's uncommon |
| 04:01.11 | mobtek | canllaith: incestilicious :P |
| 04:01.23 | illogic-al | eeeeeeew |
| 04:01.24 | canllaith | * I hope you think that you're something too.... * |
| 04:01.25 | Alethes | mobtek: hahaha |
| 04:01.27 | illogic-al | lol |
| 04:01.41 | exwhatever | aseigo: oh, okay whatever you say> |
| 04:01.54 | mobtek | exwhatever: roleplaying nerds, ignore them |
| 04:01.59 | aseigo | chaotic <something> |
| 04:02.00 | mobtek | I am male, sometimes :) |
| 04:02.30 | exwhatever | mobtek: tell me a little about yourself. |
| 04:02.30 | canllaith | * my sister... we sure aint got a whoooole lot of time... * |
| 04:02.50 | Alethes | hmmm |
| 04:03.16 | mobtek | exwhatever: ex radio announncer, advertising person with chronic fatigure syndrome trying to finish his software development diploma at CIT :P |
| 04:03.35 | Alethes | chronic fatigue=lazy ass :D |
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| 04:03.50 | aseigo | Alethes: on the mouse? suuuuuuure |
| 04:03.55 | Alethes | aseigo: *nod* |
| 04:04.01 | mobtek | Alethes: hahaha yeah since 1988 :P |
| 04:04.03 | Alethes | it'd be majorly handy -- no pun intended hah |
| 04:04.31 | mobtek | exwhatever: oh and I also have a fetish for mailboxes :P |
| 04:04.40 | avuton | Has anyone noticed that konqueror 3.4.0 doesn't work with gmail/javascript? I've looked for a bug, unsucessfully. |
| 04:04.47 | Alethes | male box (_*_) |
| 04:04.53 | exwhatever | mobtek: sounds interesting. I am a homehealth nurse, I use to work at the hospital, but not enough pay where I worked. |
| 04:04.53 | mobtek | damn friends and their cigarettes |
| 04:05.05 | mobtek | Alethes: lets party :P |
| 04:05.09 | Alethes | hahahaha |
| 04:05.18 | mobtek | go the man love :P |
| 04:05.23 | Alethes | no thanks |
| 04:05.32 | mobtek | exwhatever: yeah same everywhere for that profession |
| 04:05.37 | mobtek | Alethes: damn |
| 04:05.44 | mobtek | brb |
| 04:05.46 | exwhatever | Alethes: are you scared? |
| 04:05.46 | mobtek | :P |
| 04:06.12 | Alethes | yes, getting within 10 feet of an exposed penis that isn't mine scares me |
| 04:06.47 | canllaith | Alethes: you don't have any boy children then? |
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| 04:06.58 | Alethes | I have a dibilitating case of phalliphobia -- or something |
| 04:07.03 | Alethes | canllaith: nope |
| 04:07.08 | exwhatever | mobtek: I use to be a bartender, waitress, assistant manager, then broke down down to be a stripper. |
| 04:07.08 | Alethes | I'm in a house full o' chicks |
| 04:07.11 | canllaith | I see :) |
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| 04:07.51 | exwhatever | Alethes: getcha sum!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:07.59 | *** part/#kde avuton (~sbh@ip68-111-224-150.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 04:08.01 | Alethes | exwhatever: they're my wife and step-daughters :P |
| 04:08.28 | exwhatever | Alethes: I am so sorry, please forgive me. |
| 04:08.31 | Alethes | heh |
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| 04:08.48 | Alethes | ;) |
| 04:08.55 | Alethes | actually, she's in bed with a migraine |
| 04:09.02 | canllaith | oh lord |
| 04:09.04 | aseigo | canllaith: sure it isn't vegamite? ;) |
| 04:09.11 | illogic-al | you animal |
| 04:09.12 | canllaith | I read that as 'in bed with a migrant' and had to look twice |
| 04:09.17 | Alethes | hahahaha |
| 04:09.26 | canllaith | I'm thinking hey, Alethes is a pretty relaxed dude! |
| 04:09.32 | Alethes | bahaha |
| 04:09.33 | exwhatever | Alethes: your funny. I wish I could get some good luck for me right? |
| 04:09.34 | finbert | does anyone know what package gets you kcontrol>peripherals>keyboard? |
| 04:09.45 | aseigo | damn wife steasling migrants |
| 04:09.49 | Alethes | hahaha |
| 04:09.51 | finbert | i have kcontrol, but no keyboard under peripherals (i have mouse though) |
| 04:09.52 | Alethes | hey |
| 04:09.52 | aseigo | don't even bother to go somewhere quiet anymore |
| 04:10.14 | Alethes | aseigo: stealing our jobs _and_ our wives, goddammit |
| 04:10.18 | canllaith | aseigo: Sure as I can be, chocolate is the only thing that gets smeared around and sometimes not cleaned off |
| 04:10.22 | aseigo | Alethes: damn THEM! |
| 04:10.26 | Alethes | hehe |
| 04:10.28 | canllaith | tongues being terribly inefficient for that task |
| 04:10.31 | mobtek | hahaha |
| 04:10.36 | canllaith | fun though :) |
| 04:10.43 | finbert | kxkb --- thats what its called |
| 04:10.50 | mobtek | I've found them rather efficent :) |
| 04:10.52 | aseigo | canllaith: oh, depends on how persistent you are, i've found |
| 04:10.54 | exwhatever | i like whip cream. |
| 04:10.56 | canllaith | hahahahaha |
| 04:11.03 | canllaith | ok both of you boys are invited around for dessert tonight ;) |
| 04:11.09 | aseigo | HUZZAH! |
| 04:11.22 | aseigo | does it come with one of your crazy good looking pies? |
| 04:11.26 | exwhatever | I am female. |
| 04:11.28 | canllaith | aseigo: baby you've had a standing invitation for a while |
| 04:11.32 | canllaith | and sure it does |
| 04:11.40 | Alethes | exwhatever is female, is a stripper, and uses kde |
| 04:11.42 | canllaith | I just didn't mistake your boredom for interest ;) |
| 04:11.53 | Alethes | isn't this every geek's dream? |
| 04:11.54 | aseigo | Alethes: well, kde IS the sexy desktop |
| 04:12.06 | canllaith | Alethes: if that's all you look for in a woman... well, I do know you better than that. |
| 04:12.10 | Alethes | haha |
| 04:12.26 | canllaith | Darn, I can't even dis you cause I know you too well now. |
| 04:12.31 | aseigo | yeah, at least look for one that also hacks on kde =P |
| 04:12.34 | canllaith | What is with all these trolls turning out to be nice guys??? |
| 04:12.49 | aseigo | hey, who you callin' nice? |
| 04:12.52 | canllaith | aseigo: ahahahaha so when was that ticket booked again? |
| 04:13.04 | canllaith | aseigo: no, not you. Alethes :P |
| 04:13.18 | aseigo | oh, good. cuz i was gonna say. |
| 04:13.23 | canllaith | You're not nice. You're absolutely deliciously devastatingly not nice. |
| 04:13.35 | canllaith | In exactly the right ways to be not nice :) |
| 04:13.38 | Alethes | ok, you called me nice, but you tend to ignore my not so nice comments |
| 04:13.47 | exwhatever | aseigo: I don't dance anymore except every now and then. It's not all it's made out to be 'cause of all the jerks I have to deal with. |
| 04:13.50 | Alethes | naked.women.kde.org, for instance? :) |
| 04:14.01 | canllaith | Alethes: heh the thing is, I know you live in a house full of women |
| 04:14.06 | canllaith | if you were really that much of a pig they'd have killed you by now. |
| 04:14.09 | canllaith | Or at least enslaved you. |
| 04:14.10 | Alethes | haha |
| 04:14.21 | Alethes | 'tis true |
| 04:14.23 | aseigo | exwhatever: i can imagine. i had an acquainance who's girlfriend was a dancer.. difficult job |
| 04:14.32 | Alethes | although I do a hell of a lot of housework around here |
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| 04:15.01 | exwhatever | aseigo: sometimes the boss can be a real jerk too! |
| 04:15.05 | canllaith | Alethes: heh that's cause you're a daddy. That's terribly sexy, btw. |
| 04:15.08 | canllaith | aseigo: lol funny that |
| 04:15.18 | *** part/#kde persist1 (~persist1@226.120.cm.sunflower.com) |
| 04:15.19 | Alethes | canllaith: doing housework is sexy?? |
| 04:15.53 | aseigo | Alethes: if you do it right |
| 04:15.58 | canllaith | ;) |
| 04:16.01 | Alethes | ugh, my lungs are feeling kinda irritated and my asthma inhaler is empty :/ |
| 04:16.03 | canllaith | In a little maids outfit |
| 04:16.05 | Alethes | in my boxers? hehe |
| 04:16.06 | canllaith | Yknow |
| 04:16.07 | canllaith | LOL |
| 04:16.11 | mobtek | muhaha canllaith |
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| 04:16.24 | aseigo | (now what will she wear! bwuhahaha!) |
| 04:16.28 | mobtek | haha now thats a disturbed image :) |
| 04:16.43 | illogic-al | YAIA |
| 04:16.47 | Quinn_Storm | wtf? I should really learn not to randomly tab onto this channel |
| 04:16.50 | exwhatever | aseigo: i would like to see that. lol |
| 04:16.53 | Alethes | it's not so bizarre if you pictured aseigo as kinda fem anyway :D |
| 04:16.54 | aseigo | Quinn_Storm: lol |
| 04:17.15 | mobtek | canllaith: you're my kind of girl :) |
| 04:17.18 | Alethes | hahaha |
| 04:17.28 | aseigo | er, rear end |
| 04:17.28 | canllaith | lolol |
| 04:17.30 | canllaith | dear god |
| 04:17.34 | Alethes | bahaha |
| 04:17.34 | mobtek | hahaha |
| 04:17.46 | *** topic/#kde by canllaith -> || R rated Role Playing Tonight! || |
| 04:17.51 | aseigo | hahahahaa |
| 04:18.06 | canllaith | aseigo just got a pic of me scantily clad at my laptop actually ;) ;) |
| 04:18.15 | Alethes | :o |
| 04:18.15 | canllaith | * noooo noooo noooo.... so let me tell you something... sister... * |
| 04:18.18 | aseigo | oo lala |
| 04:18.20 | *** topic/#kde by canllaith -> KDE 3.4 released | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/ - the answer to your question might already be here! | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | |
| 04:18.22 | exwhatever | aseigo: I have a better one for you I am not wearing anything right now. |
| 04:18.35 | Alethes | dayum, aseigo |
| 04:18.45 | mobtek | exwhatever: I'm glad I'm not the only one who irc's nekkid :P |
| 04:18.49 | Alethes | you do an interview, and the women just throw themselves at you ;) |
| 04:18.51 | canllaith | mobtek: LOL PIC PIC! |
| 04:19.02 | mobtek | canllaith: you first :P |
| 04:19.05 | mobtek | kekek |
| 04:19.05 | canllaith | actually.... aseigo saw scantily clad pics of me quite a while ago.... |
| 04:19.06 | canllaith | I think :| |
| 04:19.31 | aseigo | Alethes: the life of a high profile hacker. you know how it is. mock sigh |
| 04:19.37 | Alethes | hehe |
| 04:19.42 | exwhatever | mobtek: where do you live? |
| 04:19.50 | mobtek | exwhatever: Canberra, au |
| 04:19.54 | aseigo | careful of the pixies! |
| 04:19.56 | mobtek | hahahaah |
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| 04:20.09 | Alethes | aseigo: you're in canada, right? |
| 04:20.15 | aseigo | Alethes: correc |
| 04:20.17 | aseigo | t |
| 04:20.18 | canllaith | lol hey hey hey, I'm not THAT much bigger than him |
| 04:20.21 | canllaith | Only like 50% again ...... |
| 04:20.27 | mobtek | canllaith: hhah |
| 04:20.35 | mobtek | canllaith: thats cause he is a skinny little dude :) |
| 04:20.36 | Alethes | aseigo: I just got my canadian permanent residence card yesterdya |
| 04:20.43 | aseigo | Alethes: oh? sweet. |
| 04:20.48 | Alethes | took long enough :) |
| 04:20.54 | aseigo | Alethes: where are you? |
| 04:21.00 | Alethes | now north america is like one big country for me |
| 04:21.01 | canllaith | mobtek: I know:P and Aussie's do tend to be bigger I've noticed |
| 04:21.04 | Alethes | I'm in North Bay, ON |
| 04:21.12 | exwhatever | mobtek: I am still trying to get my ex to go get me, and the kids something to eat. I know one thing he won't get to eat tonight.lol |
| 04:21.21 | mobtek | hahahah |
| 04:21.27 | Alethes | :o |
| 04:21.40 | Alethes | #kdexxx |
| 04:21.59 | illogic-al | if kdebase won't build even though arts and kdelibs do build without any useful info being in xorg's version.def file is that a kde build problem? |
| 04:22.07 | aseigo | exwhatever: maybe if you put it that way to him he'd respond better. |
| 04:22.08 | dStruct | exwhatever: yeah, i'm just about to get myself something to eat too |
| 04:22.16 | exwhatever | Alethes: Like I told him he don't feed me he won't get nothing from me. |
| 04:22.23 | dStruct | exwhatever: no one to convince for me though =) |
| 04:22.53 | pankey | kweather still doesnt work |
| 04:22.54 | pankey | :( |
| 04:23.06 | Alethes | aseigo: you in calgary? |
| 04:23.09 | aseigo | Alethes: yes. |
| 04:23.16 | Alethes | aseigo: I've been trying to convince my wife that we need to move out that way |
| 04:23.18 | Alethes | ON sucks |
| 04:23.37 | Quinn_Storm | lol |
| 04:23.38 | Alethes | hahaha |
| 04:23.40 | grepper | To rocks |
| 04:24.02 | aseigo | Alethes: B.C. is gorgeous, but the economy is this shit out there |
| 04:24.13 | aseigo | Alethes: Alberta's not bad... i miss the ocean though |
| 04:24.14 | Alethes | aseigo: is it? I figured it was doing well like alberta |
| 04:24.27 | aseigo | the economy is good here |
| 04:24.30 | Alethes | yeah |
| 04:24.36 | Alethes | alberta is cool like that |
| 04:24.53 | aseigo | Texas of the North |
| 04:25.05 | aseigo | oil, cows, conservatives, guns. we got it all |
| 04:25.09 | Alethes | yeah, I'm from texas, so I think I'd be more at home there |
| 04:25.18 | aseigo | i keep waiting for them to put a star on our flag. |
| 04:25.25 | Alethes | you even have decent mexican food there ;) |
| 04:25.32 | exwhatever | Alethes: I am about to start walking out of this house in about five minutes. |
| 04:25.50 | Alethes | naked? |
| 04:25.53 | aseigo | exwhatever: i suggest putting on clothes first |
| 04:26.00 | aseigo | aahaha.. Alethes beat me to it. DAMN YOU |
| 04:26.01 | Alethes | hehe |
| 04:26.27 | Alethes | I r fast |
| 04:26.41 | Alethes | I think I'm gonna need glasses soon |
| 04:26.51 | exwhatever | Alethes: I already did 'cause I knew my ex was going to come in here. |
| 04:26.54 | Alethes | I can tell my eyes aren't focusing right -- not as fast or something |
| 04:28.00 | canllaith | Oh, so no nude piccies for aseigo then? |
| 04:28.08 | Alethes | hehe |
| 04:28.21 | canllaith | Darn, you're a cruel woman. Get a lonely developer's hopes up and then dash them to pieces. |
| 04:28.30 | exwhatever | Alethes: no not until i get into fort worth. okay? |
| 04:28.30 | Alethes | bahaha |
| 04:28.39 | Alethes | exwhatever: you mean aseigo, right? |
| 04:28.51 | Alethes | exwhatever: where are you anyway? I'm from Dallas |
| 04:28.55 | canllaith | * I'm mad about the boy.... and I know it's stupid to be mad about the boy... * |
| 04:29.52 | exwhatever | aseigo: I will e-mail you when I get into fort worth tomorrow. |
| 04:30.13 | aseigo | hrm. faux oriental music, some odd mix of Chinese melody and Japanese phrases, sung in german. |
| 04:30.17 | aseigo | wierdness. |
| 04:30.20 | aseigo | exwhatever: cool =)) |
| 04:30.56 | exwhatever | aseigo: somebody please kidnap me please> |
| 04:31.33 | aseigo | "but officer, she asked me to. i swear. look, here's an IRC log." |
| 04:31.34 | Alethes | hahaha |
| 04:31.34 | mobtek | hahahaha |
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| 04:31.51 | Alethes | it's a long drive from calgary to ft worth :) |
| 04:32.12 | aseigo | in soviet canuckistan the kidnapped get YO!U |
| 04:32.14 | aseigo | er, YOU! |
| 04:32.16 | exwhatever | aseigo: I was only joking I plan on running away tomorrow anyway. |
| 04:32.18 | Alethes | hehehe |
| 04:34.27 | exwhatever | excuse me everybody I need to use the little girls room right now, I will be right back I promise. |
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| 04:36.33 | kayali | what does it mean to use the little girls room? is she gone to the toilets or what? |
| 04:36.53 | exwhatever | okay I am back |
| 04:36.53 | illogic-al | kayali: yup |
| 04:37.00 | Alethes | she's taking the kids to the pool |
| 04:37.03 | Alethes | :) |
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| 04:38.20 | exwhatever | aseigo: are you ignoring me now? |
| 04:38.55 | Alethes | we're _all_ ignoring you now |
| 04:39.03 | Alethes | :) |
| 04:39.10 | mobtek | heheh |
| 04:39.33 | exwhatever | Alethes: I can't beleive you would ignore me. waht did I do? |
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| 04:40.00 | exwhatever | _chris: hello. |
| 04:40.07 | pankey | ok...kweather doesnt work at all now |
| 04:40.07 | Alethes | *insert witty response here* |
| 04:40.18 | Alethes | I can't think of a good reason, exwhatever |
| 04:40.44 | exwhatever | Alethes: thentalk to me please. |
| 04:40.49 | Alethes | about what? |
| 04:41.10 | exwhatever | alethes; anything I guess. |
| 04:41.15 | kayali | can I talk about vicky? |
| 04:41.25 | Alethes | hehehe |
| 04:41.32 | Alethes | tell us about vicky, kayali |
| 04:41.45 | exwhatever | kayali: what about vicky? |
| 04:42.02 | pankey | ok...kweather doesnt work at all now....the KWeather* file is correct |
| 04:42.07 | pankey | same as beta2's |
| 04:42.09 | kayali | she's my dog. I don't know how to say her race in english, but it's a pretty huge white dog from argentina. I hope you see what I mean... |
| 04:42.17 | pankey | but it still cant find the station some how |
| 04:42.37 | kayali | they're used to hunt Pumas, but in here she only hunts Rats I guess |
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| 04:43.05 | redduck666 | http://conspiracy.hopto.org:6969/index.html does the link to this tracker work? someone claims it works but all i get is connection refused when attempting to connect.... any help appriciated |
| 04:43.13 | kayali | I'm affraid she's a little hot too, since we're between 29 and 32 celcius degrees all year long |
| 04:43.20 | exwhatever | kayali: I was thinking vicy was your girlfriend I am sorry. |
| 04:43.36 | kayali | exwhatever: you wanna hear a real sad story? |
| 04:43.41 | pankey | is this the support channel? |
| 04:43.54 | exwhatever | kayali: sure |
| 04:43.57 | canllaith | pankey: well, if someone actually knows the answer to your question |
| 04:44.00 | canllaith | which someone might not |
| 04:44.03 | Alethes | pankey: yeah, but nobody's being really supportive right now |
| 04:44.07 | pankey | canllaith, they can say that at least |
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| 04:44.12 | canllaith | pankey: why? |
| 04:44.16 | pankey | instead of blatantly ignoring |
| 04:44.20 | canllaith | Why should I waste both of our time telling you that I don't know? |
| 04:44.30 | pankey | canllaith, your wating it now either way right? |
| 04:44.31 | pankey | geez |
| 04:44.34 | canllaith | Shall I also inform you every time I get up from my computer or go to get a drink? :) |
| 04:44.35 | pankey | wasting^^ |
| 04:44.41 | pankey | ....... |
| 04:44.46 | pankey | now your going over board |
| 04:44.48 | canllaith | Ask your question, if we don't know we wont answer. |
| 04:44.54 | pankey | kweather hasnt worked since beta1 |
| 04:45.02 | canllaith | Have you filed a bug report? |
| 04:45.05 | kayali | pankey: is there a bug filled? |
| 04:45.15 | exwhatever | SuperLag: how are you tonight? |
| 04:45.20 | canllaith | mm do I even have kweather |
| 04:45.21 | pankey | somebody in here gave me a fix |
| 04:45.23 | SuperLag | tired, but good |
| 04:45.23 | pankey | and i used it |
| 04:45.29 | pankey | and now its not working for 3.4.0 |
| 04:45.59 | exwhatever | SuperLag: I'm sorry things will get better for you I hope. |
| 04:46.00 | illuminata | and if anybody has a quick hookup with the gentoo kde maintainers tell them to get on kdeartwork 3.4.0 eclass bug pronto! |
| 04:46.12 | canllaith | Why don't you go and ask them? :) |
| 04:46.20 | kayali | exwhatever: she got her first manifestation of feminity last month, and got f****d by some raceless dog from the neighborhood. This was a bad thing since it resulted in a pretty huge infection. |
| 04:46.36 | kayali | exwhatever: we nearly lost her |
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| 04:47.06 | kayali | how do you call the part of female anatomy where babys grow? |
| 04:47.17 | canllaith | The womb ? |
| 04:47.23 | kayali | maybe |
| 04:47.28 | canllaith | or uterus for medical term |
| 04:47.39 | kayali | uterus, same word in french. |
| 04:47.43 | canllaith | mmm where is kweather? |
| 04:47.49 | canllaith | kayali: they're probably both from latin I suspect |
| 04:47.55 | pankey | kdetoys canllaith |
| 04:47.59 | canllaith | thanks pankey |
| 04:47.59 | exwhatever | kayali: It seems like everything in this world today is going all to hell, and there's no stopping it all . agree? |
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| 04:48.12 | Alethes | "thanky pankey" |
| 04:48.15 | Alethes | shoulda said that |
| 04:48.16 | pankey | :/ |
| 04:48.18 | kayali | ok, so we had to take her uterus out, now she won't have any baby in her whole life |
| 04:48.21 | Alethes | woulda been much more entertaining :) |
| 04:48.40 | canllaith | kayali: aw that is sad |
| 04:48.40 | kayali | exwhatever: I generally think life sucks, but you're not allowed to say that today |
| 04:48.54 | kayali | exwhatever: it's release day ;) |
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| 04:49.01 | Alethes | my life rocks |
| 04:49.15 | Alethes | and I'm even wearing clothes! |
| 04:49.20 | exwhatever | kayali: you can't hardly say anything these days. |
| 04:49.25 | mobtek | mine has air-guitar solo's of the like you have never seen before :) |
| 04:49.36 | Alethes | hehe |
| 04:49.56 | mobtek | hmm where do I set the default xsession as kdm? |
| 04:50.01 | canllaith | * gone, my lovers dreams... lovely summers dreams.. gone and left me hear, to weep my tears into the stream.... sad as I can be, hear me willow and weep for me.. * |
| 04:50.07 | kayali | exwhatever: so you're canadian? |
| 04:50.50 | exwhatever | kayali: No, I am American. |
| 04:50.56 | canllaith | brucehoult: I feel like chicken :( |
| 04:51.02 | kayali | exwhatever: oh, sorry about that ;) |
| 04:51.14 | canllaith | All feathery ;) |
| 04:51.26 | Alethes | I was thinking slimy and bumpy |
| 04:51.28 | Alethes | :) |
| 04:51.31 | mobtek | haha brucehoult |
| 04:51.34 | canllaith | Alethes: :O:O:O where the heck are you feelin me boy? ;) |
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| 04:51.40 | Alethes | :o |
| 04:51.47 | canllaith | * Fever.... I'm afire... fever yea I burn forsooth.. * |
| 04:51.51 | brucehoult | mobtek: I take it they have the same product and ads in Aus then :-) |
| 04:51.54 | exwhatever | kayali: I have part Irish, and Indian in me. |
| 04:52.03 | mobtek | brucehoult: not for years thankfully :P |
| 04:52.14 | Alethes | "do you have any irish in you?" "would you like some?" |
| 04:52.15 | brucehoult | exwhatever: have you got any kiwi in you? |
| 04:52.17 | canllaith | LOL |
| 04:52.39 | canllaith | Now, where have I heard *THAT* before? |
| 04:52.43 | Alethes | hehe |
| 04:52.48 | canllaith | * what a lovely way to burn..... what a lovely way to burn... * |
| 04:52.51 | Alethes | ...I made it up |
| 04:53.28 | Alethes | kde needs to be easier to write styles and windecs for |
| 04:53.30 | illuminata | who let janis ian out? |
| 04:53.32 | kayali | exwhatever: at least you live in a great big country where things happen... |
| 04:53.44 | exwhatever | you guys are making me laugh so hard my kids are telling me to shut up. |
| 04:53.46 | mobtek | Alethes: we need a theme creation tool |
| 04:53.48 | Alethes | adios aseigo |
| 04:53.56 | kayali | exwhatever: I live in a small boring island no one ever heard of |
| 04:53.59 | mobtek | including window decs that then creates the code :) |
| 04:54.10 | kayali | aseigo: see you |
| 04:54.13 | Alethes | mobtek: yep -- you get on that, ok? |
| 04:54.18 | Alethes | I'll give you a couple of months |
| 04:54.19 | Alethes | :D |
| 04:54.19 | mobtek | Alethes: ta dude :P |
| 04:54.26 | exwhatever | Alethes: can I come join you? |
| 04:54.41 | Alethes | are you talking to aseigo again? |
| 04:54.49 | exwhatever | no |
| 04:54.59 | Alethes | join me where? |
| 04:55.03 | Alethes | at my house? |
| 04:55.12 | Alethes | my wife might have some issues with that |
| 04:55.16 | exwhatever | hell yes!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:55.22 | Alethes | hell, I'd probably have some issues with that |
| 04:55.23 | Alethes | heh |
| 04:55.26 | mobtek | oh werd to DiFm |
| 04:55.36 | mobtek | goa chan has some cool stuff atm |
| 04:56.04 | exwhatever | I am only kidding. I don't want to leave my home. |
| 04:56.32 | kayali | exwhatever: are you bored or what? |
| 04:56.32 | Alethes | are you in texas? |
| 04:56.40 | Alethes | I saw you talking about Ft Worth earlier |
| 04:57.55 | exwhatever | no, just trying to get the pain I have in the top of my hand. I accidently put my hand through a window last night. |
| 04:58.47 | canllaith | hahahah |
| 04:58.50 | canllaith | kweather just crashed kicker |
| 04:58.52 | canllaith | I mean, smashed it |
| 04:59.25 | Alethes | I haven't heard any compelling reasons to upgrade to 3.4 yet |
| 04:59.27 | chavo | kweather's working for me |
| 05:00.38 | canllaith | It doesn't seem to want to work very well for wellington |
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| 05:02.46 | exwhatever | Alethes: I'm back beleive it or not my ex finally got us something to eat. |
| 05:03.07 | Alethes | what'd you get? |
| 05:03.40 | exwhatever | chicken, rice it sure is good too. |
| 05:03.59 | Alethes | cool |
| 05:05.17 | exwhatever | alethes; my ex does not eat pork so we have to eat what he eats. I wanted a nice big salad, but i can't complain right? |
| 05:05.56 | exwhatever | kayali: what is the definition of love? |
| 05:06.21 | kayali | exwhatever: the closest I can guess is how much I like/love vicky ;) |
| 05:06.57 | kayali | or well, how much I LOVED her. cause without an uterus, she's useless. |
| 05:07.12 | Alethes | she can't bear your children now? |
| 05:07.33 | kayali | er... wait... |
| 05:07.58 | exwhatever | kayali: I use to love my ex, but not like that anymore he is the father of my kids i will always love him for that. |
| 05:08.33 | kayali | exwhatever: I understand what you mean. I see this with my parents. |
| 05:09.13 | exwhatever | kayalis: the kids don't see it that way . |
| 05:09.46 | kayali | exwhatever: how old are they? (sorry if you said that earlier) |
| 05:09.56 | kayali | oh wait |
| 05:10.00 | kayali | a set of twins |
| 05:10.05 | kayali | 13 10 8 ? |
| 05:10.15 | kayali | or something like that? |
| 05:10.25 | exwhatever | yes |
| 05:10.56 | kayali | I have good ram in my brain ;) |
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| 05:11.09 | exwhatever | tha's good |
| 05:11.18 | Minuo | I'm having a bit of an issue - no KDE programs make their notification sounds |
| 05:11.29 | kayali | but how can they be twins if they're not the same age? |
| 05:11.54 | exwhatever | the 13 year olds |
| 05:12.00 | kayali | okok |
| 05:12.20 | kayali | you must be pretty old so ;) |
| 05:12.30 | exwhatever | 34 |
| 05:12.35 | marcusU | updating kdelibs to KDE_3_4_0_RELEASE causes crashes in the printer dialog box. I hope it stops after I update kdebase. |
| 05:13.20 | exwhatever | i am not old |
| 05:13.49 | kayali | exwhatever: well... i'd love to have that many kids, and twins too. No you're not that old. I thought you'd be 45 at least |
| 05:14.07 | exwhatever | you can have mine |
| 05:14.15 | kayali | how much?` |
| 05:15.11 | exwhatever | i was only kidding i want to keep my children, I love them to much |
| 05:15.36 | kayali | of course you were kidding... |
| 05:15.53 | kayali | 250$ each? I handle shipping? |
| 05:16.21 | tcaira | Anybody get 3.4 running on Slackware? |
| 05:16.26 | canllaith | yup me |
| 05:16.33 | exwhatever | I could not live without my children, they are my life. |
| 05:16.38 | Minuo | Is there a way to force KDE to output everything through Alsa? |
| 05:16.44 | tcaira | canllaith: Ok, any troubles compiling kdebase? |
| 05:16.52 | canllaith | none at all |
| 05:17.00 | kayali | exwhatever: this is why I want children. I think they bring a meaning to all of this. |
| 05:17.01 | canllaith | Minuo: should do already |
| 05:17.16 | Minuo | without going through aRts? |
| 05:17.24 | tcaira | canllaith: Hm, ok, are you using Pat's Xorg packages? |
| 05:17.30 | canllaith | yes |
| 05:17.35 | canllaith | ahhh yes |
| 05:17.39 | canllaith | missing libgl.la right? |
| 05:17.42 | canllaith | I just created one by hand |
| 05:17.42 | tcaira | No |
| 05:17.45 | canllaith | oh ok |
| 05:17.45 | tcaira | or |
| 05:17.46 | tcaira | I dunno |
| 05:17.48 | canllaith | what was the problem then? :P |
| 05:17.53 | Minuo | I don't get any system sounds then |
| 05:17.57 | tcaira | configure: error: /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf (imake) failed. |
| 05:18.12 | canllaith | Minuo: so tell it to put the system sounds through aplay or something |
| 05:18.16 | canllaith | tcaira: got x-devel installed? |
| 05:18.18 | Minuo | first thing I did |
| 05:18.19 | tcaira | canllaith: It's a very very vague error |
| 05:18.19 | tcaira | Yes |
| 05:18.24 | exwhatever | They are so cute when they are babies, but once they grow up you wish they were babies again. |
| 05:18.27 | Minuo | but aplay can't do ogg |
| 05:18.34 | canllaith | Minuo: so make it something that can |
| 05:18.46 | Minuo | What can do that? No one in #alsa knows |
| 05:18.52 | canllaith | mmmmm |
| 05:19.00 | Alethes | adios boys and girls |
| 05:19.03 | canllaith | tcaira: got lesstif installed? |
| 05:19.04 | canllaith | night Alethes |
| 05:19.09 | Minuo | only suggestion is mplayer... and I think thats a big excessive for every sound |
| 05:19.12 | tcaira | no |
| 05:19.15 | tcaira | canllaith: no |
| 05:19.17 | canllaith | oh no, that's not it anyway |
| 05:19.27 | canllaith | tcaira: do you have a /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf is the first thing to look at |
| 05:19.27 | exwhatever | _chris: are you still with us? |
| 05:19.37 | canllaith | which if you're using x11-6.8.2-i486-1 you should.... |
| 05:20.02 | kayali | exwhatever: I held a baby in my arms for the first time last week... My cousin's daughter, somehow my nephew. But she started crying... I felt a bit bad to tell you the truth :( |
| 05:20.14 | tcaira | canllaith: Mind if I PM you a more complete error? |
| 05:20.17 | canllaith | go for it |
| 05:20.24 | canllaith | although paste service generally works better (in topic) |
| 05:20.47 | tcaira | Paste service? Like a pastebin? |
| 05:20.53 | canllaith | Yes |
| 05:21.03 | canllaith | There is one in the topic :) |
| 05:21.07 | tcaira | Augh, pain in the ass in CLI |
| 05:21.11 | canllaith | ahhhh |
| 05:21.12 | canllaith | fair enough |
| 05:21.14 | canllaith | pm away |
| 05:21.23 | tcaira | Here's how I'm invoking configure, btw ./configure --x-includes=/usr/X11R6/include/ |
| 05:21.24 | exwhatever | kayali: when i see a baby cry i want to start crying 'cause they are so helpless. |
| 05:21.41 | canllaith | tcaira: to be honest on slackware I only use --prefix=/blah and that's it |
| 05:21.52 | canllaith | It has superbly sane library paths and I've never needed to use anything else. |
| 05:22.06 | tcaira | canllaith: It won't find my includes others |
| 05:22.09 | tcaira | *otherwise |
| 05:22.12 | kayali | is slackware still maintained? |
| 05:22.16 | tcaira | Yes |
| 05:22.20 | canllaith | tcaira: Then you have some problems..... |
| 05:22.42 | canllaith | JustWorks here |
| 05:23.00 | canllaith | tcaira: are you doing this as root? |
| 05:23.07 | tcaira | I uninstalled all the X pacakges and reinstalled them |
| 05:23.11 | tcaira | Not the configuring, no |
| 05:23.15 | exwhatever | kayali: are you there? |
| 05:23.22 | tcaira | Shouldn't be necessary |
| 05:23.27 | canllaith | echo $PATH - is /usr/X11R6/bin in the path? |
| 05:23.28 | kayali | exwhatever: oui :) |
| 05:23.32 | tcaira | But the package management, and X configuration, yess |
| 05:23.41 | kayali | exwhatever: yes |
| 05:23.46 | kayali | sorry |
| 05:23.46 | tcaira | canllaith: It's there |
| 05:24.04 | tcaira | I know |
| 05:24.22 | canllaith | I'm not so good at debugging slackware build problems, I'm more used to redhat/mandrake one s- because slack doesn't generally have build problems lol |
| 05:24.31 | canllaith | You sure you got all the libraries you need installed? |
| 05:24.41 | tcaira | No |
| 05:24.44 | canllaith | Ah. |
| 05:24.51 | tcaira | But I /think/ I do |
| 05:24.56 | canllaith | mmmmm |
| 05:25.01 | canllaith | May I see your config.log ? |
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| 05:27.07 | jesterod | hello |
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| 05:27.37 | Kuser | Hi |
| 05:27.40 | jesterod | hi |
| 05:27.50 | jesterod | chatzilla? |
| 05:27.56 | tcaira | canllaith: Got it? |
| 05:28.24 | canllaith | ahhh |
| 05:28.28 | canllaith | It is lesstif that's the problem |
| 05:28.38 | canllaith | look on your slackware install cds or slackware.com for |
| 05:28.41 | tcaira | I need lesstif for KDE? Weird. |
| 05:28.48 | tcaira | I'll install it then |
| 05:28.52 | Kuser | This probably isn't the best place to ask, but I want to give KDE 3.4 a spin. Are there any standout distros that use unmodified (or least modified) versions of KDE? |
| 05:29.05 | canllaith | Slackware uses vanilla unmodified sources |
| 05:29.09 | canllaith | There is binner's Klax live cd |
| 05:29.11 | Kuser | I use Debian, but it'll be a while before KDE 3.4 gets into testing |
| 05:29.21 | aseigo | yes, deb will be stuck at 3.3 for a while |
| 05:29.23 | canllaith | tcaira: Yeh :) |
| 05:29.49 | illogic-al | i think it was |
| 05:29.52 | tcaira | `twould seem otherwise |
| 05:30.09 | canllaith | For some reason his KDE is failing on it, his config.log shows that clearly |
| 05:30.12 | illogic-al | i installed lesstif-devel after kdelibs and kdebase when i was compiling xscreensaver for kdeartwork |
| 05:30.17 | tcaira | I guess |
| 05:30.26 | canllaith | In file included from Imakefile.c:35: |
| 05:30.26 | canllaith | /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config/Imake.tmpl:2109: LessTif.rules: No such file or directory |
| 05:30.26 | canllaith | /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config/Imake.tmpl:2122: LessTif.tmpl: No such file or directory |
| 05:30.26 | canllaith | imake: Exit code 1. |
| 05:30.27 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.28 | aseigo | aaaaah... for xscreensaver |
| 05:30.46 | illogic-al | yeah. i dont have gtk2 devel libs installed |
| 05:30.50 | canllaith | Kuser: http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/klax/ |
| 05:31.00 | illogic-al | so i get the motif interface for xscreensaver. yay |
| 05:31.01 | mobtek | klax was nice :) |
| 05:31.02 | tcaira | Kuser: Give that a spin. |
| 05:31.02 | Kuser | Thanks |
| 05:31.17 | Kuser | Was there any major changes between RC1, and the official release? |
| 05:31.21 | tcaira | Kuser: It has my personal thumbs up behind it. |
| 05:31.21 | Kuser | *were |
| 05:31.26 | tcaira | Kuser: Yeah, you can get them on the ftp. |
| 05:31.46 | tcaira | Kuser: Not all the packages are different, like aRts remained the same |
| 05:32.07 | tcaira | HOORAY! |
| 05:32.23 | canllaith | I think the best distro's for KDE are slackware, suse, and to a lesser degree mandrake and gentoo |
| 05:32.25 | tcaira | canllaith, illogic-al: Thank you immensely |
| 05:32.32 | canllaith | tcaira: You're very welcome. |
| 05:32.39 | mobtek | canllaith: can't fault gentoo here for getting just KDE :P |
| 05:32.48 | illogic-al | yeah. even though i didn't do anything :-) |
| 05:32.55 | tcaira | It's people like you that make me proud to be in the KDE community :) |
| 05:33.03 | canllaith | mobtek: It's not unmodified, unpatched sources. |
| 05:33.06 | tcaira | illogic-al: Yeah, right |
| 05:33.13 | mobtek | canllaith: ahh ok |
| 05:33.15 | canllaith | The only distro that does that is Slackware. Every other one modifies it in some way |
| 05:33.17 | illogic-al | lol. shhhhhh |
| 05:33.31 | illogic-al | i'm in danger of being percieved as a nice person |
| 05:33.31 | tcaira | You mean except for those 90 minutes we discussed the issue |
| 05:33.33 | mobtek | canllaith: well you can't tell whats been modified with gentoo |
| 05:33.39 | canllaith | mobtek: How is that relevant? |
| 05:33.43 | canllaith | I don't particularly care. |
| 05:34.06 | mobtek | canllaith: I mean I can't tell that they have changed anything from what the devs did etc |
| 05:34.09 | canllaith | I'm not saying that's good, bad or otherwise. It's a simple fact. Gentoo is among those distros that modify KDE. |
| 05:34.27 | mobtek | nah I knew you weren't saying it was bad :) |
| 05:34.31 | canllaith | Yup |
| 05:34.35 | canllaith | Cause if I said that |
| 05:34.36 | tcaira | All I have to say is, Pat Volkerding does a good job. |
| 05:34.38 | canllaith | It would be 'Gentoo is fucking lame' |
| 05:34.42 | canllaith | I'm not subtle ;) |
| 05:34.42 | mobtek | hahahah |
| 05:34.45 | mobtek | RICERS! |
| 05:34.46 | mobtek | :P |
| 05:34.53 | illogic-al | tossers |
| 05:34.58 | canllaith | hahaha oh wow, did I meet a kid at the lug the other night that cracked me up |
| 05:35.03 | illogic-al | i like that word |
| 05:35.06 | canllaith | He was that real stereotype gentoo user |
| 05:35.14 | aseigo | canllaith: a virgin? |
| 05:35.14 | canllaith | Wild-eyed enthusiastic zeal |
| 05:35.18 | canllaith | aseigo: that too ;) |
| 05:35.18 | mobtek | canllaith: oh dear fullroll-loops kinda kid? |
| 05:35.20 | tcaira | canllaith: Lesstif made everything all better |
| 05:35.22 | canllaith | mobtek: yeah baby |
| 05:35.23 | kayali | exwhatever: are you running linux ? |
| 05:35.27 | mobtek | canllaith: rofl |
| 05:35.38 | tcaira | Good night. |
| 05:35.39 | canllaith | mobtek: "when I tried to use fedora I had all these dependancies problems, always dependancies just to install a simple app" |
| 05:35.54 | illogic-al | so now i'm curious. canllaith is this only a slackware issue? |
| 05:35.59 | mobtek | I just love the freebsd like portsism :P |
| 05:36.14 | canllaith | illogic-al: Is what only a slackware issue? There is no issue, you need to install the damn libraries for something to compile on any distro |
| 05:36.19 | tcaira | My favorite part about FC3 was yum. *LOUD COUGH* |
| 05:36.23 | aseigo | yum? ick |
| 05:36.37 | tcaira | Did you not hear that cough? |
| 05:36.37 | canllaith | If you choose to do a custom install and leave out important libraries, that's your silliness and not the OS :P |
| 05:36.39 | tcaira | It was loud. |
| 05:36.39 | slackd00d | any .debs for 3. yet =) |
| 05:36.43 | illogic-al | ooooooooooooh |
| 05:36.43 | slackd00d | 3.4 i mean |
| 05:36.50 | canllaith | I absolutely *love* how Slackware lets you untick the linux kernel during the installer |
| 05:36.56 | tcaira | untick? |
| 05:36.57 | aseigo | i mean, yum is better than what RH had.. but.. yeah |
| 05:36.58 | canllaith | I think, that has to be one of my favourite things about it. |
| 05:37.08 | canllaith | tcaira: Well, you hit spacebar and the tick goes away =p |
| 05:37.09 | aseigo | slackd00d: i thought you were off using e? |
| 05:37.09 | tcaira | aseigo: I detest yum |
| 05:37.23 | slackd00d | i am, but on my debian box i want 3.4 |
| 05:37.25 | tcaira | canllaith: I don't get it. Oh well, I'm running my own kernel |
| 05:37.27 | slackd00d | its not my main desktop |
| 05:37.39 | canllaith | tcaira: When you install Slackware if you do an expert install |
| 05:37.40 | illogic-al | canllaith: i thought he was installed the header files, not the libraries. but now the question comes up of how I compiled kde without having header files for lesstif |
| 05:37.43 | canllaith | It will allow you to not install a kernel at all. |
| 05:37.51 | tcaira | canllaith: Oh, I remember that screen |
| 05:37.52 | mobtek | I think we need to get the local government here using KDE |
| 05:37.57 | Kuser | Kcontrol3, is that an actually KDE app, or is it specific to Kubuntu? |
| 05:37.59 | canllaith | illogic-al: Slack doesn't generally seperate headers and runtime libraries |
| 05:38.00 | mobtek | they were thinking of moving their workstations to linux |
| 05:38.07 | tcaira | canllaith: I love how Slackware puts you in control |
| 05:38.09 | mobtek | and of course all the lug boys were like GNOME! :P |
| 05:38.19 | tcaira | canllaith: You use checkinstall? |
| 05:38.21 | canllaith | One of the exceptions to that is X11, there is an x-devel package. |
| 05:38.25 | canllaith | tcaira: I don't, no. |
| 05:38.31 | tcaira | canllaith: Wow. |
| 05:38.33 | tcaira | Just, wow. |
| 05:38.34 | mobtek | tcaira: yeah I get that with gentoo too, it's nice hey |
| 05:38.37 | illogic-al | lol |
| 05:38.41 | mobtek | slackware was my first distro |
| 05:38.51 | illogic-al | gNOME! |
| 05:38.52 | canllaith | checkinstall ... well, for one thing it bombs on complex things |
| 05:38.52 | tcaira | canllaith: I don't understand how you can use Slackware without checkinstall. |
| 05:38.55 | mobtek | in 97 or 98 I think it was :) |
| 05:38.56 | illogic-al | maximum wootage! |
| 05:39.02 | canllaith | It wouldn't work very well on gwydion-dylan or GCC |
| 05:39.05 | mobtek | illogic-al: w00t stylez biatch! |
| 05:39.06 | illogic-al | gnome 2.10! weeee! |
| 05:39.06 | tcaira | canllaith: It has always worked for me. |
| 05:39.13 | canllaith | tcaira:I doubt you were packaging a compiler. |
| 05:39.15 | tcaira | canllaith: You just need to tweak :-P |
| 05:39.26 | tcaira | canllaith: Oh, no, never tried that |
| 05:39.37 | canllaith | tcaira: I'm the linux x86 binary maintainer for a really obscure programming language |
| 05:39.38 | tcaira | canllaith: you can always do it by hand |
| 05:39.39 | mobtek | at least now I know if I go blind I have ktts |
| 05:39.40 | mobtek | :P |
| 05:39.46 | illogic-al | heh |
| 05:39.50 | canllaith | tcaira: Yes, that's *why* I don't use checkinstall - I do it by hand. |
| 05:39.56 | illogic-al | the accessibility stuff is really cool |
| 05:40.02 | aseigo | mobtek: where is "here"? |
| 05:40.03 | tcaira | canllaith: Mhm. |
| 05:40.08 | canllaith | I use rpmbuild on slackware to make nice generic RPM's that work on redhat/suse/mandrake |
| 05:40.11 | mobtek | aseigo: ACT, Canberra, au |
| 05:40.13 | illogic-al | i'm using the icon theme now. 'tis that good |
| 05:40.16 | canllaith | Funny how slackware is better at being redhat than redhat is ;) |
| 05:40.19 | mobtek | aseigo: but this was a while ago now |
| 05:40.28 | mobtek | aseigo: never heard anything more on it |
| 05:40.33 | mobtek | should find out |
| 05:40.37 | illogic-al | screw nuvola. Monochrome is where it's at! |
| 05:40.39 | kayali | canllaith: which programming language is that? |
| 05:40.45 | tcaira | canllaith: I do it semi-by-hand, but only when necessary, like, I'll make a bash script that does the install, and source that w/ checkinstall |
| 05:40.47 | canllaith | and I use makepkg |
| 05:40.51 | aseigo | mobtek: ask them why Linus and Tridge both use KDE then ;) |
| 05:40.52 | tcaira | SPL |
| 05:41.00 | mobtek | illissius-: RADE8 |
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| 05:41.04 | mobtek | aseigo: BINGO :P |
| 05:41.05 | canllaith | I don't like automated borkage tools |
| 05:41.09 | mobtek | tridge is a really nice guy |
| 05:41.19 | tcaira | canllaith: Borkage? |
| 05:41.19 | illogic-al | tridge? |
| 05:41.23 | mobtek | haven't been to CLUG for AGES |
| 05:41.31 | mobtek | Andrew Tridgell |
| 05:41.32 | aseigo | "they use KDE because they are amazingly brilliant people and you are folks are semicompetant goofs. learn from superior beings." |
| 05:41.37 | mobtek | but I think I spelt that wrong :) |
| 05:41.38 | canllaith | tcaira: Yes, borkage :) If you want something done right, do it yourself. |
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| 05:41.46 | tcaira | canllaith: Ok, gotcha. |
| 05:41.47 | canllaith | Or, use Pat's packages cause he rocks. |
| 05:41.51 | mobtek | illogic-al: think SAMBA |
| 05:41.53 | tcaira | canllaith: woot woot |
| 05:42.01 | illogic-al | oooh |
| 05:42.06 | canllaith | aseigo: the LUG here is almost entirely gnomey |
| 05:42.09 | mobtek | he lives here :) |
| 05:42.14 | canllaith | The newbies all love KDE |
| 05:42.16 | mobtek | still I think |
| 05:42.27 | mobtek | canllaith: I have been getting ooohs and ahhhs from windows users |
| 05:42.28 | tcaira | canllaith: again, checkinstall has never borked on me (yet) |
| 05:42.28 | illogic-al | bah. silly newbies. |
| 05:42.29 | canllaith | then there is a group of guys who use fedora/gnome and think they're l33t3r for not using a n00b desktop |
| 05:42.33 | tcaira | canllaith: I swear by it |
| 05:42.33 | mobtek | moved two friends over to kde 3 |
| 05:42.33 | kayali | Pat rocks? as when he updates udev without reading the release notes, and leaves the unusable package unpatched for 8 full days? |
| 05:42.37 | mobtek | they LOVE it :) |
| 05:42.40 | canllaith | tcaira: It's fine for very simple things |
| 05:42.47 | mobtek | to the point of hating their windows machines hehehe |
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| 05:43.03 | canllaith | kayali: I fixed that myself on my systems - and no-one is saying that he's infallible. |
| 05:43.13 | canllaith | In 8 years though I've very rarely had problems with Slackware. |
| 05:43.23 | tcaira | canllaith: Well, I guess I'm lucky that everything I have ever needed to install is very simple :D |
| 05:43.25 | canllaith | Certainly not the bugs I've found in redhat/fedora/mandrake |
| 05:43.26 | aseigo | i've never had any problems with it. |
| 05:43.27 | kayali | canllaith: yeah true enough. sorry ;) |
| 05:43.30 | aseigo | but then. i don't use it either. |
| 05:43.36 | mobtek | illogic-al: I might move my sisters scrapbooking business over to KDE if I have my way :) |
| 05:43.38 | aseigo | those two facts may be related. |
| 05:43.42 | kayali | aseigo: :) |
| 05:43.46 | SteamedPenguin | canllaith: "GNOME is difficult to use, it must be better. I am now inscrutable in my ways and will appear superior to those easygoing proles." |
| 05:43.47 | mobtek | she is throughly sick of windows stuffing her over |
| 05:43.54 | canllaith | SteamedPenguin: Exactly. |
| 05:43.55 | mobtek | SteamedPenguin: hahahah |
| 05:44.02 | aseigo | well, GNOME was seen as the "cool" desktop... |
| 05:44.11 | mobtek | yeah you need to change all the configs by hand, how useful |
| 05:44.12 | aseigo | they had "cool", outspoken people leading the project |
| 05:44.14 | canllaith | Yes, KDE is for n00bs because it's 'windows-like' |
| 05:44.18 | canllaith | aseigo: You mean like you? :P |
| 05:44.20 | mobtek | do they have a menu editor that works yet? :_) |
| 05:44.21 | aseigo | they promised the moon... knew how to make cute art and brand well |
| 05:44.31 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: and those wilting, shy, KDE people.... tsk tsk |
| 05:44.35 | aseigo | canllaith: this is BA ... before aseigo ;) |
| 05:44.39 | canllaith | I see :) |
| 05:44.45 | canllaith | mobtek: Nope. |
| 05:44.51 | tcaira | I really gotta sleep now, haha, it's getting late. I'm in one of those sane time zones, you see :^P |
| 05:45.02 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: heh... well, more like engineering type folk who are more interested in and comfortable with compilers than press conferenes |
| 05:45.08 | aseigo | tcaira: take care =) |
| 05:45.13 | canllaith | aseigo: I really want to walk into this lug with a notebook running KDE in some way that requires serious engineering skill |
| 05:45.14 | tcaira | Good night aseigo |
| 05:45.19 | canllaith | like KDE on irix or KDE on aix |
| 05:45.27 | jme-59 | on windows, i'm using TortoiseSVN for SVN. i heard there are graphical kde clients, but which one is mature, and works just like TortoiseSVN? |
| 05:45.30 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: hence kolab |
| 05:45.40 | mobtek | canllaith: heh |
| 05:45.45 | mobtek | go kolab |
| 05:45.47 | canllaith | I was really amazed through at the low level of skill :| |
| 05:45.54 | canllaith | Eg, there was a talk on the basic redhat courses |
| 05:46.06 | canllaith | and the guy had NO information on RHCA, the only one I'd even think about bothering with |
| 05:46.10 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: yep |
| 05:46.14 | canllaith | 'Oh that's like... high end stuff. Clustering and.... stuff' |
| 05:46.21 | canllaith | "ooooh do you know what's in the course???' |
| 05:46.26 | canllaith | "Um... no, no idea sorry" |
| 05:46.31 | aseigo | hahah.. clustering. |
| 05:46.33 | aseigo | "high end" |
| 05:46.36 | canllaith | I know. |
| 05:46.44 | canllaith | It was all I could do not to put on my most innocent blonde look |
| 05:46.45 | marcusU | Ummmmm. Coconut clusters. |
| 05:46.58 | canllaith | and tell him about my redhat 9 box at franz |
| 05:47.12 | canllaith | load balanced, fallover, multi-path routing... ok, so it's a simple box |
| 05:47.35 | canllaith | but still :P He was tempting me to ask him questions about the most efficient way to acheive fallover with my setup |
| 05:48.40 | SteamedPenguin | we need a KDE roadshow. |
| 05:48.55 | aseigo | yep.. |
| 05:49.11 | marcusU | Has anyone actually compared compiling KDE with GCC 3.4.x versus 4.0pre? |
| 05:49.16 | aseigo | if we got a few of the Right People together i think KDE could have a wicked show |
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| 05:49.21 | SteamedPenguin | one summer, 4-5 weeks across cities in the US. |
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| 05:50.04 | aseigo | ooooh.. ROAD TRIP |
| 05:50.10 | aseigo | i get to be tom green! |
| 05:50.19 | SteamedPenguin | you /are/ tom green |
| 05:50.23 | canllaith | LOL |
| 05:50.25 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: ;) |
| 05:51.05 | aseigo | i just about fucking lost it laughing when i stumbled across that in the changelog |
| 05:51.22 | SteamedPenguin | heh heh |
| 05:51.28 | marcusU | Oh well. I just don't get it. |
| 05:51.47 | aseigo | marcusU: you've never seen tom green? |
| 05:51.56 | marcusU | aseigo: No. I don't know who that is. |
| 05:52.05 | mobtek | hhah Asta |
| 05:52.08 | mobtek | aseigo even |
| 05:52.25 | aseigo | marcusU: did you see Charlie's Angels? the semirecent remake? |
| 05:52.35 | marcusU | aseigo: No. I didn't. |
| 05:52.44 | aseigo | hm.. ok.. did you see Road Trip? |
| 05:52.44 | mobtek | [16:52:11] <azzazz|n> im waiting for kde.exe <-- rofl |
| 05:52.50 | marcusU | No. |
| 05:53.06 | mobtek | where is the url for kde on windows |
| 05:53.07 | mobtek | ? |
| 05:53.16 | mobtek | is there a project page? |
| 05:53.29 | aseigo | http://imdb.com/name/nm0338381/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8dHQ9b258ZmI9dXxwbj0wfHE9dG9tIGdyZWVufGh0bWw9MXxubT1vbg__;fc=1;ft=21;fm=1 |
| 05:53.29 | marcusU | kde-cygwin? |
| 05:53.36 | mobtek | marcusU: yuppers |
| 05:54.02 | marcusU | http://kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:54.30 | mobtek | ta marcusU |
| 05:55.32 | marcusU | I don't watch many movies. The last one I attempted to see was Spiderman 2, but I walked out after 10 minutes cuz someone was talking about his cell phone. I thought after a minute or two, he would quit talking, but he didn't. |
| 05:56.06 | mobtek | marcusU: I throw shit at people like that |
| 05:56.22 | mobtek | or grab their mobile and throw it out of the theater :) |
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| 05:56.42 | marcusU | I've given up on movies. Every time I go, there's either someone on the cell phone or a screaming child. |
| 05:56.43 | mobtek | <-- has been known to attack peoples cars with faulty alarm systems :P with bricks :) |
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| 05:57.06 | mobtek | or do what my wife does, she'll just scream STFU! |
| 05:57.09 | canllaith | LOL |
| 05:57.11 | mobtek | that was funny as |
| 05:57.20 | mobtek | bubblegummers in the back row |
| 05:57.35 | mobtek | whole theatre cracked up :) |
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| 06:18.02 | TheMonoTone | did they ever change the default in kopete so that when you send it a message |
| 06:18.12 | TheMonoTone | its using return, instead of ctrl+return |
| 06:18.26 | canllaith | ctrl+return was the default in KDE 3.2.x |
| 06:18.33 | canllaith | The default was changed to enter a wee while ago now |
| 06:18.45 | TheMonoTone | good |
| 06:18.53 | TheMonoTone | haven't used that app since it was ctrl+enter |
| 06:18.59 | TheMonoTone | solely because of that annoyance |
| 06:19.02 | mobtek | what! I love ctrl-return |
| 06:19.05 | mobtek | :P |
| 06:19.07 | canllaith | Why didn't you just change the keybinding? |
| 06:19.16 | TheMonoTone | I DID change the keybinding |
| 06:19.20 | TheMonoTone | but then things acted funky |
| 06:19.23 | canllaith | ah, ok then. |
| 06:19.44 | TheMonoTone | I'll give it a shot again, now that 3.4 is out |
| 06:19.53 | canllaith | It's changed amazingly much |
| 06:20.02 | TheMonoTone | cool |
| 06:20.14 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/kopete-addressbook-chooser.png |
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| 06:20.41 | TheMonoTone | that and xchat are the last of the gtk apps I really use |
| 06:20.53 | canllaith | I recently switched from xchat to konversation, simply to be using all qt |
| 06:21.05 | TheMonoTone | now, be honest |
| 06:21.08 | TheMonoTone | is it as good? |
| 06:21.11 | Venson | the konversion is finally komplete :D |
| 06:21.14 | canllaith | It depends on what you use |
| 06:21.25 | canllaith | I don't tend to download a lot of files over IRC |
| 06:21.35 | TheMonoTone | sweet kopete looks really nice now |
| 06:21.44 | TheMonoTone | me either... |
| 06:21.46 | mobtek | dcc works fine in konvi |
| 06:21.46 | canllaith | So I have absolutely no idea if DCC is any good. |
| 06:21.57 | canllaith | I find it lovely to use just to IRC with though |
| 06:22.10 | mobtek | scripting is getting there :) |
| 06:22.13 | TheMonoTone | it looks like there's been tons of clean up work |
| 06:22.21 | canllaith | Yeah, that's another thing I don't do anything of to it ;) Scripting |
| 06:22.37 | TheMonoTone | from when I used 3.2 and recently 3.3 |
| 06:22.48 | mobtek | canllaith: mine? |
| 06:22.50 | TheMonoTone | (I switch all the time...) |
| 06:22.53 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/desktop-just-for-alethes.png |
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| 06:23.04 | TheMonoTone | oh yeah |
| 06:23.11 | mobtek | http://www.mobtek.net/images/currentdesktop/kde340rc1-opacitykonsolekopetekonvi.png |
| 06:23.12 | TheMonoTone | what about windows network browsing |
| 06:23.20 | TheMonoTone | that never seemed to work for me before |
| 06:23.21 | canllaith | Works absolutely flawlessly for me when I do use SMB |
| 06:23.24 | canllaith | That's not terribly often though. |
| 06:23.24 | TheMonoTone | even with lisa running and all that |
| 06:23.36 | TheMonoTone | is that a recent change |
| 06:23.37 | mobtek | TheMonoTone: works fine here :) |
| 06:23.43 | TheMonoTone | because even in 3.3 I had issues :-/ |
| 06:23.48 | canllaith | You might be interested in this page TheMonoTone : http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/kde-3.4/ |
| 06:23.53 | mobtek | nah worked for me in 3.3. too :) |
| 06:24.01 | canllaith | There are hundreds more new features than that - those are just a few I chose to highlight. |
| 06:24.06 | TheMonoTone | hmm... maybe I set it up wrong |
| 06:24.37 | TheMonoTone | now |
| 06:24.45 | mikecd | Has anyone managed to compile kde3.4 with gcc 4.0? My compile jumps to 100% mem somewhere in kmail, haven't tried --disable-final yet though. |
| 06:24.48 | TheMonoTone | taking a que from M$ and their troubles |
| 06:24.56 | TheMonoTone | is all of the integration necessarily good for security? |
| 06:25.14 | canllaith | I'm not sure how 'integration' and 'security' are related, could you explain? |
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| 06:25.45 | marcusU | mikecd: Does it compile any faster than 3.4.x? |
| 06:25.46 | TheMonoTone | if one domino falls |
| 06:25.54 | TheMonoTone | the whole setup goes down with it |
| 06:25.55 | canllaith | TheMonoTone: what do you mean by 'falls' |
| 06:26.02 | TheMonoTone | I guess is my worry |
| 06:26.03 | mikecd | marcusU: Don't know, I have gcc 3.3, 3.4, and 4.0 going in parallel so there's no way to say :) |
| 06:26.05 | canllaith | Keep in mind, KDE is designed to run on a Unix-like environment |
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| 06:26.08 | TheMonoTone | no longer works as it should |
| 06:26.08 | s3m10s | anyone have trouble with kdelibs? |
| 06:26.14 | TheMonoTone | I understand that |
| 06:26.18 | canllaith | If a single application crashes, no others will |
| 06:26.29 | canllaith | If I remove kdepim, which kopete has 'integration' with |
| 06:26.31 | marcusU | Are you talking about password management? |
| 06:26.35 | canllaith | Kopete will still function properly |
| 06:26.45 | canllaith | It simply wont have those integration features that require KDEPIM to be installed |
| 06:26.53 | TheMonoTone | ah |
| 06:26.54 | TheMonoTone | cool |
| 06:27.03 | TheMonoTone | so although there is integration, it can still act on its own accordingly |
| 06:27.07 | canllaith | Yes. |
| 06:27.16 | TheMonoTone | nice :-) |
| 06:27.23 | aseigo | KDE: Not Your Grandfather's Integration. |
| 06:27.31 | canllaith | Obviously if it depends on another app or framework or library then the feature will be disabled. |
| 06:27.41 | TheMonoTone | right |
| 06:27.43 | canllaith | It's not going to make the app unstable though, assuming you have a sane setup |
| 06:27.44 | mikecd | I think the concern is that integration opens new attack vectors. Using html in email, for example. Not unsurmountable, but it needs consideration. |
| 06:27.50 | mobtek | heheh |
| 06:27.54 | canllaith | Eg, all of kdelibs/arts/base installed. |
| 06:27.58 | s3m10s | canllaith: in konstruct, did I put fvisibilit=hidden correctly in catergory.mk? |
| 06:28.05 | aseigo | mikecd: it's already been considered |
| 06:28.07 | s3m10s | -fvisibility=hidden |
| 06:28.09 | canllaith | As far as security is concerned, this is a unix. It has few vulnerabilities. |
| 06:28.24 | aseigo | mikecd: if you look at the code, you'll see that javascript is turned off. external references are off by default. |
| 06:28.25 | canllaith | ... and man do I hate html email </tangential> |
| 06:28.29 | aseigo | mikecd: etc, etc, etc... |
| 06:28.40 | canllaith | html mail in general is off by default isn't it? |
| 06:28.42 | aseigo | mikecd: it isn't even rendered as html by default. there is no active contents, etc.. |
| 06:28.46 | canllaith | Yeah |
| 06:28.52 | aseigo | god. what am i still doing up. jesus. |
| 06:28.55 | canllaith | I rather like how Kmail handles that actually |
| 06:29.01 | canllaith | aseigo: get your ass back into bed boy before I smack it. |
| 06:29.06 | mobtek | aseigo: go to bed spotty! |
| 06:29.08 | mikecd | aseigo: Yes. Like I said, security considerations were made. |
| 06:29.14 | canllaith | s3m10s: mmm not sure.. ? |
| 06:29.20 | canllaith | aseigo: any people in particular? |
| 06:29.37 | marcusU | aseigo: Don't look at my. I'm very boring. |
| 06:29.44 | Venson | you know what'd be a cool app to have? Since KDE has txt2speech integrated now, we should create a character that introduces the desktop to people..."Meet Kate. She helps you write your notes for class and other things" |
| 06:30.02 | mobtek | canllaith: are you using nvidia's drivers? |
| 06:30.07 | canllaith | mobtek: on some machines yes |
| 06:30.10 | aseigo | erg. klippy. |
| 06:30.13 | TheMonoTone | does kde have any tablet support? |
| 06:30.16 | aseigo | yes |
| 06:30.16 | mobtek | for those screenshots? |
| 06:30.18 | canllaith | Yes :) |
| 06:30.26 | canllaith | mobtek: ah, the fancy translucency? Yes, most of them. |
| 06:30.30 | mobtek | kewlies |
| 06:30.31 | TheMonoTone | reaaaaally |
| 06:30.32 | Venson | i know i know...klippy...doesn't make people happy...but kids and n00bs will like it for an introduction |
| 06:30.33 | marcusU | Do you need Qt compiled with tablet support, though? |
| 06:30.38 | TheMonoTone | sweet :-) |
| 06:30.41 | mobtek | in rc1 it was very unstable on xorg 6.8.2 :) |
| 06:30.44 | aseigo | marcusU: preferably |
| 06:30.49 | canllaith | mobtek: I've found it to be very stable. |
| 06:30.52 | marcusU | I thought klippy was being replaced by the Desktop Maid. |
| 06:31.09 | aseigo | heh. the kinky desktop maid. |
| 06:31.12 | aseigo | KinK |
| 06:31.17 | s3m10s | btw, are there no changes between rc1 and this release? only one file dates newer than 3/08 |
| 06:31.19 | mobtek | canllaith: which nvidia driveer 6111-jp3? |
| 06:31.22 | canllaith | There are two reproducable KA-BOOM's I can trigger when I'm feeling malicious. |
| 06:31.27 | canllaith | mobtek: two secs |
| 06:31.44 | mobtek | since 7176 or whatever it is crapped out completely on kde startup :) |
| 06:31.50 | aseigo | s3m10s: lots of changes |
| 06:31.56 | mobtek | with shadows and translucency enabled heheh |
| 06:32.05 | aseigo | well, not LOTS LOTS but enough to be noticeable |
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| 06:32.19 | Venson | canllaith's babies will play with them *ducks* |
| 06:32.21 | straw | so did theme-able kdm happen in 3.4 or no? |
| 06:32.31 | canllaith | mobtek: I am using 1.0-6629 |
| 06:32.38 | mobtek | canllaith: ok cool |
| 06:32.40 | canllaith | straw: It sure did. |
| 06:32.45 | mobtek | I will see how it goes :) |
| 06:33.01 | TheMonoTone | if kde keeps this up, they'll be whooping the competition :-) |
| 06:33.01 | straw | canllaith: hrm, where do i turn in on? |
| 06:33.06 | canllaith | kdmrc |
| 06:33.12 | mobtek | god I hate nvidia now :) |
| 06:33.12 | aseigo | TheMonoTone: we aren't already? ;) |
| 06:33.26 | mobtek | they need to get their arses severly into gear |
| 06:33.31 | TheMonoTone | well, the "competition" began gaining territory lets just say |
| 06:33.52 | TheMonoTone | or so it seemed imo |
| 06:34.12 | mobtek | hehe they looked to be standing still to me :P |
| 06:34.35 | canllaith | Why on earth is nuvola inheriting from hicolor instead of crystal? :| |
| 06:34.41 | straw | canllaith: it's not exposed in kcontrol, or have i missed it |
| 06:34.51 | canllaith | straw: [19:33] <canllaith> kdmrc |
| 06:35.06 | TheMonoTone | can the various panels be arranged to different parts of the screen? |
| 06:35.15 | TheMonoTone | or is it still all on the same kicker |
| 06:35.25 | TheMonoTone | (that is what its called right?) |
| 06:35.41 | TheMonoTone | oo |
| 06:35.43 | TheMonoTone | time to try it out |
| 06:35.48 | TheMonoTone | I'll be back |
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| 06:43.27 | s3m10s | anyone know why when I'm compiling with fvisibility=hidden , kmcups wants to use kpreload? |
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| 06:47.26 | Octane | whast the KDE calculator called |
| 06:47.31 | Octane | i cant find it anywhere |
| 06:47.37 | lauri | kcalc |
| 06:48.02 | Octane | thanks lauri , i couldnt find it cuz its not installed :X |
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| 06:48.39 | marcusU | The Desktop Maid should ask if you want to install it. |
| 06:49.18 | Octane | im using packages -- do you knwo if its part of another package? |
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| 06:49.47 | marcusU | Octane: It should be in kdeutils. |
| 06:49.59 | marcusU | If the packer split kdeutils into smaller parts, I don't know. |
| 06:50.29 | Octane | alright thank you, marcusU |
| 06:52.46 | Octane | yea it was kdeutils :) |
| 06:52.53 | Octane | didnt have it installed! |
| 06:52.58 | Octane | i wonder what i've been missing :) |
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| 06:55.39 | marcusU | Okay. Time to restart kde to see if the printing dialog still crashes in 3.4.0. |
| 06:56.12 | s3m10s | im having trouble with compiling kdeprint |
| 06:56.41 | s3m10s | wtf |
| 06:57.19 | Octane | is there somewhere that lists what all the KDE packages are |
| 06:57.30 | canllaith | the faq does |
| 06:57.33 | canllaith | download.kde.org does |
| 06:57.39 | Octane | canllaith, thanks |
| 06:57.51 | canllaith | If you want a short description what is in them check the faq that's listed in the topic, under 'installation' |
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| 06:58.33 | marcusU | Okay... KDE_3_4_0_RELEASE crashes when I try to change the print range from "all" to "selection" |
| 06:59.04 | SteamedPenguin | marcusU: file bug reports. |
| 06:59.17 | marcusU | I get a segfault, no Dr. Konqi. |
| 06:59.53 | marcusU | But now I can't print selections anymore. |
| 07:00.26 | marcusU | #0 0x41839578 in _int_free () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 |
| 07:00.26 | marcusU | #1 0x4183822f in free () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 |
| 07:00.26 | marcusU | #2 0x421ace7e in httpClose () from /usr/lib/libcups.so.2 |
| 07:00.29 | marcusU | I don't know why. |
| 07:00.57 | marcusU | It just started when I updated kdelibs to the release version. |
| 07:01.04 | canllaith | updated kdebase etc as well? |
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| 07:01.20 | marcusU | Yeah. I just rebuild kdelibs and kdebase today. |
| 07:01.31 | luci | hello, any unofficial mandrake binaries of kde 3.4 ? |
| 07:01.36 | s3m10s | haha |
| 07:01.44 | s3m10s | sounds like a joke |
| 07:01.52 | marcusU | It started when I updated kdelibs, but I went ahead and updated kdebase just in case there was some kind of sync problems. |
| 07:01.53 | s3m10s | wait for thac |
| 07:02.08 | luci | ok :D, just tried |
| 07:02.35 | s3m10s | i use mandrake anc compile my own kde |
| 07:02.39 | s3m10s | its so far behind. |
| 07:03.27 | luci | i always wonder connectiva and suse can have them at time of release |
| 07:03.48 | s3m10s | I don't really know how, else I would consider doing it. |
| 07:03.53 | marcusU | Has anyone else tried to change the print selection type in 3.4.0? |
| 07:04.16 | luci | will try to compile it tonight too |
| 07:04.18 | luci | later |
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| 07:05.07 | marcusU | Not sure where to report it. It's in all applications that use the KDE print dialog. |
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| 07:05.54 | SteamedPenguin | marcusU: it is a kprint problem |
| 07:05.59 | TheMonoTone | well, I like it a lot more |
| 07:06.06 | TheMonoTone | :-) |
| 07:11.25 | marcusU | Dang. gdb produces a 50 call frames of backtrace with this crash. |
| 07:11.29 | marcusU | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101666 |
| 07:14.28 | Octane | what's kdeadmin ? |
| 07:15.11 | marcusU | kpackage is the big app in kdeadmin. |
| 07:15.19 | marcusU | kcron and some other stuff, too. |
| 07:15.33 | Octane | hmm |
| 07:15.36 | Octane | i wonder if i need it |
| 07:15.49 | Octane | kde-redhat repos have been really good about updating their packages recently |
| 07:15.50 | Octane | which is nice |
| 07:16.11 | Octane | im starting to think though that one should compile their own wm to optimize it for the system |
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| 07:19.25 | marcusU | It also prints "Alarm clock" when it crashes. |
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| 07:20.35 | marcusU | Someone else reported this crash on the debian lists, but I didn't see a report on bugs.kde.org |
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| 07:35.41 | Tpo1 | does lisa set up a device in the /dev folder or something? I can't manage to get it to work |
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| 07:36.31 | frerich | hi |
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| 08:05.13 | alexissoft | cou² |
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| 08:14.01 | ADminS | i can't find libresmgr.so.0.9.8 |
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| 08:36.34 | we2by | o -lkio -lnoatun -ldb_cxx |
| 08:36.34 | we2by | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldb_cxx |
| 08:36.34 | we2by | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 08:36.34 | we2by | make[4]: *** [noatun_oblique.la] Error 1 |
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| 08:40.49 | Oleg_ | help! I can't connect to any of the plug-ins like fastTrack and etc. using apollon |
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| 08:46.54 | Oleg_ | anybody! |
| 08:47.00 | Oleg_ | I am a poor soul! |
| 08:47.14 | Oleg_ | I wanna download Van Halen-Right Now |
| 08:47.23 | infowolfe | are you in the right channel? |
| 08:47.31 | Oleg_ | but apollon can't connect to any plug-ins |
| 08:47.40 | Oleg_ | yeah, because apollon is a kde app |
| 08:48.00 | infowolfe | what distro are you using? |
| 08:48.04 | Oleg_ | LFS |
| 08:48.19 | infowolfe | lol |
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| 08:48.35 | infowolfe | so fix it, uber-geek ;-) |
| 08:49.11 | Oleg_ | hehe |
| 08:50.53 | infowolfe | Oleg_: what plugin isn't working? |
| 08:51.08 | Oleg_ | all of them |
| 08:51.21 | infowolfe | lol |
| 08:51.25 | infowolfe | which one do you WANT to work? |
| 08:51.33 | Oleg_ | all of them |
| 08:51.54 | infowolfe | what version of kde are you running? |
| 08:51.59 | Oleg_ | 3.4 |
| 08:52.37 | we2by | I'm getting this |
| 08:52.38 | we2by | C3 kdeaddons-3.4.0]$ ld -ldb_cxx |
| 08:52.38 | we2by | ld: cannot find -ldb_cxx |
| 08:52.39 | infowolfe | what version of appolon? |
| 08:53.17 | Oleg_ | o-o, 1.0.1 |
| 08:53.27 | Oleg_ | it's an old version |
| 08:53.28 | Oleg_ | ? |
| 08:54.12 | infowolfe | Oleg_: so why dont you update apollon? |
| 08:54.36 | infowolfe | and/or ask in #apollon for help? |
| 08:55.58 | Oleg_ | infowolfe: you are absolutely right |
| 08:56.06 | Oleg_ | sometimes I forget about common sense |
| 09:02.08 | slayerbob | awww no canllaith :( |
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| 09:06.05 | Tpo1 | man ldconfig |
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| 09:09.11 | infowolfe | Tpo1: wrong window ;-) |
| 09:09.21 | Tpo1 | no |
| 09:09.27 | Tpo1 | just very late |
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| 09:10.07 | ch-b | hi .. |
| 09:11.10 | ch-b | just a question are there no more Slackware packages "from" kde.org? |
| 09:16.45 | Tpo1 | #!/usr/bin/rm :p |
| 09:17.56 | Tpo1 | night all |
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| 09:25.06 | Octane | ise there any way to integrate firefox's bookmarks + history with konqi's? |
| 09:26.36 | ch-b | hmm Ive done it once from konqi to firefox |
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| 09:30.01 | marcusU | In case anyone actually listens to me, I think my problem with the mysterious error was the result of an old install/new install of CUPS. |
| 09:30.09 | Octane | you fixed your printer? |
| 09:30.23 | Octane | marcusU, i had a problem with cups too, it was ghostscript actually and bad fonts |
| 09:30.59 | marcusU | Octane: Yeah. Actually, I moved to GS 8.15 to fix PDF-creation bugs in 7.07, but then i had other problems, so I moved back to GS 7.07. |
| 09:31.32 | Octane | ugh that sucks |
| 09:31.39 | Octane | did you turn on debugging in cups |
| 09:31.56 | marcusU | I found out that the version of GS most distros has some CUPS stuff intregated into it that's not in mainline GS anymore. |
| 09:32.01 | marcusU | Octane: It's working now. |
| 09:33.09 | Octane | glad to hear it |
| 09:33.20 | marcusU | Octane: In other words, CUPS needs a patched version of GS, which is what most distros include now. Official GS will not work with CUPS. |
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| 09:33.57 | we2by | hello |
| 09:34.15 | we2by | any one knows how to add kde to the list of sessions at gdm? |
| 09:34.56 | marcusU | Octane: Am I making sense, or it my medication kicking in already? |
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| 09:36.26 | Octane | marcusU, that makes sense -- i had a problem wi tht he same apps |
| 09:36.53 | marcusU | Octane: The big thing with me is that GS 7.07 produces bad PDFs -- the fonts are not aligned properly sometimes. |
| 09:37.26 | marcusU | I tried moving to GS 8.15, and I think I tried a newer CUPS, too, and then i ended up with some other problems (but PDFs looked good). |
| 09:37.47 | we2by | I just installed kde |
| 09:37.49 | marcusU | You sound nice, Octane |
| 09:37.51 | we2by | but dunno how to use it |
| 09:37.54 | Oleg_ | yo |
| 09:37.58 | Oleg_ | white people |
| 09:38.00 | we2by | I mean with startx |
| 09:38.02 | we2by | or gdm |
| 09:38.05 | Oleg_ | I need your help |
| 09:38.30 | Octane | marcusU, thanks, i try to be :) |
| 09:38.43 | Octane | plus its 4:40 am and i have to be up in less than 4 hours :( |
| 09:38.45 | Oleg_ | how can I make the f.....ing apollon connect to fastTrack, gnutella, openFT? |
| 09:39.05 | infowolfe | Oleg_: rtfm, ask in #apollon |
| 09:39.06 | Quinn_Storm | Oleg_: you need to run gift-setup |
| 09:39.14 | marcusU | Octane: I have to get up at 3:30pm. |
| 09:39.38 | marcusU | I wasn't joking about my meds... I took some Ambien 20 minutes ago. |
| 09:39.56 | Oleg_ | Quinn_Storm: how can I run it? |
| 09:40.13 | Octane | i didnt think you were |
| 09:40.16 | Octane | alright im gonna go to bed |
| 09:40.27 | marcusU | Good night |
| 09:40.41 | Quinn_Storm | Oleg_: go into a shell and run gift-setup |
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| 09:42.50 | thefish | hi |
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| 09:44.16 | Oleg_ | Quinn_Storm: ok, I need to know how to configure it correctly, please |
| 09:46.18 | thefish | has anyone successfully used the "import evolution mails and folder structure" feature in kmail/kontact? |
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| 09:49.38 | Oleg_ | damn! |
| 09:49.46 | Oleg_ | I dunno how to configure it |
| 09:49.56 | thefish | Oleg_, what are you trying to configure? |
| 09:50.04 | Oleg_ | gift-setup |
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| 09:53.40 | thefish | sorry, never heard of it :'( |
| 09:54.31 | Oleg_ | Â Gnutella |
| 09:54.31 | Oleg_ | Status: |
| 09:54.31 | Oleg_ | Connecting... |
| 09:54.31 | Oleg_ | Users: |
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| 09:54.32 | Oleg_ | 0 |
| 09:54.34 | Oleg_ | Files Shared: |
| 09:54.36 | Oleg_ | 0 |
| 09:54.38 | Oleg_ | Total Size Shared: |
| 09:54.40 | Oleg_ | 0 GB |
| 09:54.42 | Oleg_ | Â OpenFT |
| 09:54.44 | Oleg_ | Â OpenFT |
| 09:54.46 | Oleg_ | Status: |
| 09:54.48 | Oleg_ | Connecting... |
| 09:54.50 | Oleg_ | Users: |
| 09:54.52 | Oleg_ | 0 |
| 09:54.54 | Oleg_ | Files Shared: |
| 09:54.56 | Oleg_ | 0 |
| 09:54.59 | alexissoft | flooooood |
| 09:55.00 | Oleg_ | Total Size Shared: |
| 09:55.01 | Oleg_ | 0 GB |
| 09:55.04 | Oleg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.05 | Oleg_ | connecting, but it doesn't connect! |
| 09:55.16 | Oleg_ | ok |
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| 09:57.29 | Oleg_ | apollon is a kde app |
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| 09:59.34 | Oleg_ | ok, I don't care. I am gonna download apollon again and run its setup |
| 09:59.46 | Oleg_ | that's the simple solution |
| 10:00.08 | Oleg_ | first, I am gonna uninstall it |
| 10:00.30 | Oleg_ | maybe because I have both 3.3.1 and 3.4 kdes, I get this bull |
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| 10:03.30 | Quinn_Storm | anyone have any idea why kdesu (Qt 3.3.3 KDE 3.4.0 KDE su 1.0 from -v) doesn't work? (always says the password is invalid)...gksu seems to work, and su does |
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| 10:06.20 | InsomniaCity | Hey... does anyone here know of a cross desktop-environment (so I assume its a Freedesktop.org project) to create a system tray notifier capable of receiving notifications from any app over XML:RPC ? |
| 10:06.41 | thefish | Quinn_Storm, try "tail -f /var/log/messages" and then kdesu in another console, to see what is failing |
| 10:06.52 | Quinn_Storm | thefish: thank you, will do |
| 10:07.39 | Quinn_Storm | thefish: nothing is sent to that log...should I look in another? security maybe? |
| 10:07.50 | Quinn_Storm | err, syslog or something that is |
| 10:08.14 | thefish | Quinn_Storm, which distro? |
| 10:08.26 | Kryczek_ | Quinn_Storm: depends on what logger you installed... maybe there's an "all" file |
| 10:08.28 | Quinn_Storm | thefish: debian-based |
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| 10:08.54 | thefish | k, not sure where those messages would be logged to (if they are) - its not a CD based distro is it? |
| 10:09.04 | Kryczek_ | InsomniaCity: sorry, no :| |
| 10:09.04 | Quinn_Storm | thefish: nope, installed |
| 10:09.12 | thefish | k |
| 10:09.30 | thefish | Quinn_Storm, what files do you have in /var/log? |
| 10:09.45 | thefish | maybe security? |
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| 10:10.06 | we2by | what do I install to get the screensavers? |
| 10:10.31 | Kryczek_ | we2by: kdeartwork |
| 10:11.07 | Quinn_Storm | thefish: I don't seem to have a security...I do have acpid, aptitude, btmp, daemon.log, debug, dmesg, kdm.log, kern.log, lastlog, lpr.log, mail.err, mail.info, mail.log, mail.warn, messages, scrollkeeper.log, syslog, user.log, uucp.log, Xorg.0.log |
| 10:11.32 | thefish | messages is *probably* the one you want |
| 10:12.14 | Quinn_Storm | thefish: well nothing is printed in messages when I run the kdesu. I enter the root pw, and just get the "invalid password" dialog. I've made sure I'm typing it right and such, and both gksu and su work... |
| 10:12.25 | thefish | wierd |
| 10:12.35 | Quinn_Storm | the kcheckpass program doesn't work right either, also has the same problem kdesu does |
| 10:12.44 | thefish | try "grep session /var/log/*" |
| 10:12.56 | Quinn_Storm | ah, auth.log |
| 10:13.00 | thefish | ooh |
| 10:13.04 | thefish | didnt see that |
| 10:13.05 | Kryczek_ | :) |
| 10:13.28 | thefish | that may give you more clue where the error is |
| 10:13.58 | Quinn_Storm | can I paste the log entries here? |
| 10:14.12 | o__o__o__h | in kde, should i use arts or alsa, w arts, the mix of to streams in the sound card is made without any problem, but w alsa, i have to configure a mixing device, but w arts xmms works worse than w alsa |
| 10:14.12 | Kryczek_ | maybe you need to be in the wheel group ? |
| 10:14.19 | thefish | i think you may get shouted at ... |
| 10:14.34 | thefish | check the title |
| 10:14.37 | o__o__o__h | hej!! in kde, should i use arts or alsa, w arts, the mix of to streams in the sound card is made without any problem, but w alsa, i have to configure a mixing device, but w arts xmms works worse than w alsa |
| 10:14.46 | Kryczek_ | Quinn_Storm: http//rafb.net/paste |
| 10:14.53 | thefish | bingo ^ |
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| 10:15.19 | Kryczek_ | o__o__o__h: i don't know, i use OSS |
| 10:16.06 | Quinn_Storm | http://rafb.net/paste/results/TuAIxE35.html |
| 10:16.21 | o__o__o__h | aha, i ll try that as wel....... |
| 10:16.38 | thefish | Quinn_Storm, have you edited any pam files? |
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| 10:16.59 | thefish | it seems to honestly believe that it is an incorrect password |
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| 10:17.24 | Quinn_Storm | thefish: nope, it should be pristine...that is odd...tried changing the password and using a different (shorter) pass too since my usual pass is 11 characters (made it 7 just in case) |
| 10:17.26 | Kryczek_ | indeed |
| 10:18.09 | Kryczek_ | Quinn_Storm: isn't the keyboard mapping different in kde? :p |
| 10:18.09 | Quinn_Storm | the other oddity is its logging as though its "sudo" though that may be meaningless (shouldn't it log as "su"?) |
| 10:18.11 | Quinn_Storm | Kryczek_: well if I run gksu or su I don't have trouble so I doubt that's it :-P |
| 10:18.23 | Kryczek_ | Quinn_Storm: check /etc/sudoers |
| 10:18.33 | Kryczek_ | Quinn_Storm: check if you are in the wheel group |
| 10:18.46 | Quinn_Storm | Kryczek_: well its not sudo in the first place, and the require wheel isn't present in my /etc/pam.d/su |
| 10:18.54 | Quinn_Storm | Kryczek_: like I said, su and gksu work |
| 10:19.08 | Kryczek_ | does sudo work ? |
| 10:19.15 | Quinn_Storm | Kryczek_: no, and I want to keep it that way |
| 10:19.39 | Kryczek_ | if kdesu is a wrapper to sudo, no wonder it doesnt work |
| 10:19.46 | Quinn_Storm | Kryczek_: kdesu should be a wrapper to su, not sudo |
| 10:19.53 | Kryczek_ | i don't care |
| 10:19.58 | Quinn_Storm | Kryczek_: at least according to its manpage |
| 10:20.00 | Kryczek_ | try to make sudo work and we'll see |
| 10:20.26 | o__o__o__h | Quinn_Storm, oss seems to have the same problem alsa had; no mixing |
| 10:20.39 | Quinn_Storm | o__o__o__h: I think you meant to direct that at someone else |
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| 10:20.48 | Kryczek_ | you only need to uncomment a line in /etc/sudoers, and make sure you are in the wheel group (try the id command) |
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| 10:22.17 | Quinn_Storm | hmm, it looks like the ubuntu version of libkdesu is patched, o_O strings reveals the presence of the word 'sudo' in it...bleh, I don't like sudo...it really breaks down security...if you can compromise my user that's -all- you should be able to get at! not the whole system! |
| 10:22.31 | o__o__o__h | oooopps sorry |
| 10:22.47 | o__o__o__h | Kryczek_, oss seems to have the same problem alsa had; no mixing |
| 10:22.58 | Kryczek_ | lol, kdevelop.org forbids me access with lynx |
| 10:22.59 | Kryczek_ | You are a bad robot! |
| 10:23.19 | Kryczek_ | o__o__o__h: and with arts it works ? |
| 10:23.40 | o__o__o__h | Kryczek_, yep |
| 10:23.43 | Kryczek_ | Quinn_Storm: why does sudo break down security ? |
| 10:23.52 | Kryczek_ | o__o__o__h: do u use amaroK ? |
| 10:24.01 | Quinn_Storm | Kryczek_: because if someone gets your user pw they can go in through sudo and do anything root could without root's pw |
| 10:24.21 | thefish | bbiam |
| 10:24.24 | o__o__o__h | no i use xmms |
| 10:24.42 | Kryczek_ | Quinn_Storm: there are so many local holes in the linux kernel, that you need not feel concerned about root privileges escalation |
| 10:24.53 | Kryczek_ | when people can get kernel privileges escalation |
| 10:24.59 | Quinn_Storm | Kryczek_: local holes yes but what about remote? |
| 10:25.01 | Quinn_Storm | yep they did patch it, guy who patched it just confirmed it...trying to find out a way around that now...I'd hate to have to build kdesu from source... |
| 10:25.23 | Kryczek_ | Quinn_Storm: sudo is not accessible remotely |
| 10:25.43 | Quinn_Storm | Kryczek_: ahh, I see. well in that case I guess its not so bad, I never knew that |
| 10:25.43 | Kryczek_ | Quinn_Storm: when I am talking about local holes, I am talking about what somebody could do once he/she has a shell on your machine |
| 10:25.48 | Kryczek_ | even from 3000km away |
| 10:26.04 | Quinn_Storm | Kryczek_: well if they can only run sudo from a physical terminal its not quite so bad |
| 10:26.10 | o__o__o__h | Kryczek_, i use xmms, would amarok do the trick? |
| 10:26.12 | Quinn_Storm | that is from the machine itself |
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| 10:26.30 | Kryczek_ | Quinn_Storm: don't get me wrong, sudo can be run via ssh |
| 10:26.54 | mobtek | o__o__o__h: give it a try, use the gstreamer oosink or alsaink plugins perhaps |
| 10:26.59 | mobtek | oss even |
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| 10:27.00 | mobtek | hehe |
| 10:27.05 | Kryczek_ | o__o__o__h: no no... I was just asking cause I was using xmms and don't remember having any problem with mixing, like I got system sound notifications while playing songs |
| 10:27.19 | Kryczek_ | o__o__o__h: but with amaroK it completely locks my sound device |
| 10:27.31 | Quinn_Storm | Kryczek_: bleh, thats exactly what I want to avoid...I understand there are holes in the kernel but what I am worried about is "friends" that turn out to be not-so-friendly |
| 10:27.49 | Kryczek_ | Quinn_Storm: just don't add them to the wheel group, and they won't be able to run sudo |
| 10:28.03 | Kryczek_ | Quinn_Storm: wheel should only contain system administrators |
| 10:28.16 | o__o__o__h | Kryczek_, no clue, does it make any difference that i am using a laptop? |
| 10:28.21 | Quinn_Storm | Kryczek_: what I mean is if they get my password and use my account |
| 10:28.30 | Kryczek_ | o__o__o__h: i have no idea :) |
| 10:29.05 | Kryczek_ | Quinn_Storm: then it's indeed a problem |
| 10:29.27 | Quinn_Storm | Kryczek_: not to mention my sudoers has no commented out lines and only two lines that are not just text comments - Defaults !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn and root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 10:29.32 | Kryczek_ | Quinn_Storm: but my point was that even if you do not enable sudo, you are far from being safe with people who you do not trust completely on your machine |
| 10:29.39 | Kryczek_ | nobody has access to my linux machines |
| 10:29.54 | Kryczek_ | the only OS on which I feel quite safe to give ppl accounts is OpenBSD |
| 10:30.26 | Quinn_Storm | Kryczek_: I see, I do have FreeBSD installed on here too (multi-boot), but right now I'm feeling like linux for various reasons. any thoughts on what I should do to make sudo work? |
| 10:30.30 | Oleg_ | wow, I love this apollon installer |
| 10:31.05 | Kryczek_ | Quinn_Storm: to make sudo work you only need to make sure that you are in the wheel group (with the "id" command) and |
| 10:31.18 | Kryczek_ | Quinn_Storm: uncomment the %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 10:31.25 | Kryczek_ | line in /etc/sudoers |
| 10:31.30 | Quinn_Storm | Kryczek_: as I said such a thing isn't there commented or otherwise |
| 10:31.39 | Kryczek_ | then copy it from irc :) |
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| 10:31.47 | Kryczek_ | your distro is weird :p |
| 10:32.01 | Quinn_Storm | Kryczek_: I agree its weird...it uses a patched kdesu to force me to use sudo O_o |
| 10:32.13 | Quinn_Storm | Kryczek_: but its the only debian-based with xorg and kde3.4 |
| 10:32.14 | Kryczek_ | oh, ubuntu it is |
| 10:32.23 | Kryczek_ | well, now i know i won't try it :p |
| 10:32.28 | Quinn_Storm | Kryczek_: yep...and I want to shoot them for their sudo-ness |
| 10:32.35 | Kryczek_ | :) |
| 10:33.04 | Quinn_Storm | btw...why does a command called visudo call nano? that just hurts my head...I mean...shouldn't it be vi? |
| 10:33.22 | InsomniaCity | you'd think wouldn't you. |
| 10:33.34 | InsomniaCity | possibly because your EDITOR is set to nano |
| 10:33.44 | Quinn_Storm | InsomniaCity: yuck, I need to fix that |
| 10:34.19 | Quinn_Storm | yech, ubuntu has no wheel group |
| 10:34.31 | Kryczek_ | LOL |
| 10:34.32 | Quinn_Storm | I tried to add my user to it and it told me it doesn't exist |
| 10:34.46 | Kryczek_ | Quinn_Storm: visudo is indeed vi, normally |
| 10:34.47 | Quinn_Storm | does wheel need a specific gid? |
| 10:35.02 | InsomniaCity | not if apps work as they should :) |
| 10:35.18 | Quinn_Storm | heh my $EDITOR isn't set, so its yet another ubuntu patch I guess |
| 10:35.45 | thefish | Quinn_Storm, kubuntu? |
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| 10:35.51 | Quinn_Storm | thefish: yeah |
| 10:35.54 | Quinn_Storm | ah, I found it |
| 10:35.57 | Quinn_Storm | its just a debianism |
| 10:36.27 | Quinn_Storm | anyway, groupadd wheel is all I need right? |
| 10:36.53 | Quinn_Storm | sorry, irc chomped it b/c it began with a / - /etc/alternatives/editor was set to nano |
| 10:37.49 | sarah03 | Quinn_Storm: Yes, wheel *should* be fine as any gid, though the typical values I usually see for it are 0 and 10. |
| 10:38.04 | Quinn_Storm | sarah03: thanks, I guess I can modify it later...already added it |
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| 10:38.28 | luke-jr_ | Is Kontact supposed to use 100 MB of RAM? |
| 10:38.34 | Quinn_Storm | gotta go so my login session reflects my correct groups, brb |
| 10:38.36 | canllaith | ullo njaard :) |
| 10:38.44 | canllaith | did you sleep well |
| 10:38.51 | njaard | I didn't sleep long enough |
| 10:38.57 | njaard | I went to bed at 3 and got up at 8 |
| 10:39.03 | Kryczek_ | luke-jr_: well, be happy, that means you have a lot of friends |
| 10:39.13 | canllaith | njaard: :( |
| 10:39.14 | njaard | canllaith: but thanks for asking |
| 10:39.23 | luke-jr_ | Kryczek_: How are friends involved? |
| 10:39.31 | njaard | I shouldn't have gone to that lab hour |
| 10:39.32 | Kryczek_ | your contacts |
| 10:39.38 | Kryczek_ | *joke* |
| 10:39.39 | luke-jr_ | Kryczek_: not that many, actually |
| 10:39.44 | njaard | I should have slept instead |
| 10:40.02 | luke-jr_ | hmm... does Akregator keep all its stuff in RAM? :/ |
| 10:40.18 | lippel | luke-jr_: yes, it does atm |
| 10:40.27 | luke-jr_ | ouch... that's probably why |
| 10:40.32 | lippel | luke-jr_: which is not the most intelligent solution ;-) |
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| 10:40.53 | lippel | luke-jr_: we're working on a better one |
| 10:41.04 | luke-jr_ | my ~/.kde-cvs/share/apps/akregator/Archive is 17 MB o.o |
| 10:41.11 | luke-jr_ | ah |
| 10:41.41 | luke-jr_ | until then, can I tell Kontact not to load it and run it seperately? |
| 10:41.46 | lippel | luke-jr_: not bad, mine is 24 MB ;-) |
| 10:42.02 | lippel | you can disable the kontact plugin |
| 10:42.18 | Quinn_Storm | bleh, well kdesu works now but not where I needed it to (prob. b/c they shoehorned it into running sudo). it won't properly luanch kcontrol applets (administrator mode button) |
| 10:42.30 | lippel | luke-jr_: it should only get loaded when you select it |
| 10:43.20 | lippel | luke-jr_: as long the plugin is not loaded, you can start akregator seperately (binary is "akregator") |
| 10:43.43 | Quinn_Storm | I think I'm taking wheel back out of sudoers for the moment, no need to have it insecure when it doesn't work anyway! |
| 10:44.07 | luke-jr_ | hmm |
| 10:44.36 | luke-jr_ | even w/o it, there's only a 1%-of-total drop in RAM usage |
| 10:44.52 | luke-jr_ | Kmail doesn't keep headers in RAM, does it? |
| 10:45.14 | lippel | i don't think so. |
| 10:45.46 | luke-jr_ | oh well |
| 10:45.56 | luke-jr_ | restarting it got me 4%, so I'll deal w/ it |
| 10:45.58 | Quinn_Storm | btw did they ever fix the slow cpu leak in kmail? I haven't used it for a long time, so I don't know |
| 10:46.17 | luke-jr_ | Quinn_Storm: the 4% i just regained suggests not |
| 10:46.30 | Quinn_Storm | luke-jr_: 4% ram or 4% cpu? |
| 10:46.43 | luke-jr_ | RAM |
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| 10:46.47 | luke-jr_ | how can you leak CPU? O.o |
| 10:46.50 | Nebukadneza | hiho |
| 10:46.54 | Quinn_Storm | I dunno but kmail figured out how |
| 10:46.57 | luke-jr_ | lol |
| 10:46.59 | Quinn_Storm | it slowly climbed until it was 100% cpu usage |
| 10:47.08 | luke-jr_ | then it's likely fixed |
| 10:47.15 | luke-jr_ | Kontact is nice w/ my CPU usually |
| 10:47.44 | Quinn_Storm | I figured they'd fix it eventually |
| 10:47.45 | Nebukadneza | kde 3.4 runs on cygwin, right? |
| 10:47.57 | luke-jr_ | Nebukadneza: just as much as 3.3 did |
| 10:48.11 | luke-jr_ | I don't think anything's changed there lately |
| 10:48.27 | Nebukadneza | luke-jr_: k :) |
| 10:48.39 | Nebukadneza | there arent any cygwin 'repositories' with precompiled bins, right? |
| 10:48.48 | luke-jr_ | highly doubt it |
| 10:48.55 | luke-jr_ | maybe check the kde-cygwin project |
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| 10:49.24 | Nebukadneza | not yet ... |
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| 10:49.40 | luke-jr_ | lippel: BTW, know anyone on the KHTML team? |
| 10:49.46 | Nebukadneza | hm ... so i gotta compile everything *argh* |
| 10:49.55 | luke-jr_ | Nebukadneza: or use a real OS :) |
| 10:50.06 | Nebukadneza | luke-jr_: its not for me :) |
| 10:50.11 | luke-jr_ | Nebukadneza: so? |
| 10:50.22 | Nebukadneza | a teacher asked me to set a kde (for umbrello) up in school |
| 10:50.29 | Quinn_Storm | I can't wait till xorg finally hits debian sid...then I'll probably drop ubuntu...I really really don't like their sudo policy...it robs me of control I feel I should have over my own system. /however/, I want to say kde3.4 is great! far more polished than 3.3 was and I love that they dropped keramik as the default in favor of plastik, plastik is just so much less ugly |
| 10:50.33 | lippel | luke-jr_: there are some khtml people in #kde-devel |
| 10:51.05 | njaard | don't bother #kde-devel unless it's development related, please |
| 10:51.56 | luke-jr_ | njaard: My problem pertains to the lack of khtml API docs, mainly, and usage of the API in an app |
| 10:52.03 | njaard | oh |
| 10:52.04 | njaard | heh |
| 10:52.05 | njaard | one second |
| 10:52.21 | njaard | http://ktown.kde.org/~charles/browser.tar.bz2 |
| 10:52.23 | njaard | that's a web browser |
| 10:52.30 | luke-jr_ | in a non-X app |
| 10:52.35 | njaard | not sure exactly what you need |
| 10:52.35 | lippel | luke-jr_: heh, i know that problem ;-) |
| 10:52.39 | njaard | luke-jr_: ah.. |
| 10:52.40 | njaard | hm |
| 10:52.51 | luke-jr_ | njaard: Basically, I want to go directly from khtml to postscript printer |
| 10:53.03 | njaard | luke-jr_: look at how the html preview thing wrks |
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| 10:53.19 | njaard | luke-jr_: I can't help you more.. |
| 10:53.56 | njaard | try #khtml |
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| 10:54.00 | njaard | they're usually idle in there |
| 10:54.21 | luke-jr_ | thanks |
| 10:54.39 | canllaith | mmm they need to invent some kind of stand for laptops so you can use them in the bath without getting them soggy |
| 10:54.55 | njaard | canllaith: uhm... laptops don't get "soggy" :) |
| 10:55.10 | luke-jr_ | IIRC, the print code accessed internal things that a seperate app doesn't have access to :/ |
| 10:55.13 | xzz | Laptop in the shower <3 |
| 10:55.24 | canllaith | :P |
| 10:55.29 | canllaith | It does however, end up with bubbles on it |
| 10:56.38 | canllaith | Didn't apple have a newton that was water resistant at one stage? |
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| 11:07.29 | PhilRod | taking a laptop in the bath? I can't tell if that's crazy or incredibly brave |
| 11:07.47 | canllaith | lol |
| 11:07.54 | canllaith | well my pda broke |
| 11:08.14 | canllaith | and this way i can read textbooks while i soak |
| 11:08.23 | thefish | pda had water damage? |
| 11:08.26 | canllaith | and no |
| 11:08.37 | canllaith | i did not drop pda in the bath :P |
| 11:08.53 | canllaith | my b/f chipped the screen :'( |
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| 11:10.58 | Quinn_Storm | canllaith: that sucks |
| 11:11.36 | canllaith | ah it is a 200MHz and you can get 600+ now |
| 11:12.50 | canllaith | good excuse to splurge |
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| 11:13.05 | canllaith | of course then it will be almost as fast as my laptop and I'll have a good excuse to drop a new processor in the laptop ;) |
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| 11:39.59 | lilalinux | I read in the release notes, that kopete can be integrated in kontact? |
| 11:40.00 | lilalinux | how? |
| 11:40.49 | canllaith | Like this? |
| 11:40.50 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/kde-3.4/kdepim.png |
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| 11:41.00 | canllaith | Simply right click on a contact in kopete and go 'properties' |
| 11:41.56 | canllaith | Then assign it to a contact in your addressbook |
| 11:43.11 | ARTMAN | upgraded to 3.4 last night for suse 9.2, using provided packages. now instead of kde loading I get fvwm. tried 'startx kde', get fvwm, rebooted and kdm starts up. if I try to login the screen garbles and kdm restarts. if I login as root kde 3.4 will run fine, just not as user |
| 11:43.30 | ARTMAN | any suggestions? |
| 11:44.09 | Quinn_Storm | hey, question, k3b works fine but when I click on one of the cd drives in the devices it gives me a "malformed URL" dialog, though when I click it away everything works anyway |
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| 11:44.13 | Quinn_Storm | any idea why? |
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| 11:46.38 | xonicx | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.15 | r00tsh3ll | where could i find this tool to 'get hot new stuff' ?? |
| 11:52.26 | r00tsh3ll | seems cool :) |
| 11:52.26 | xzz | ARTMAN: 'echo "startkde" > ~/.xinitrc |
| 11:52.34 | Kryczek_ | r00tsh3ll: stuff.kde.org i think |
| 11:52.47 | r00tsh3ll | Kryczek_, this http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/canllaith-is-hot-kopete-says-so.png |
| 11:52.51 | Kryczek_ | xonicx: why not configure your konqueror ? |
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| 11:53.04 | canllaith | r00tsh3ll: it has to be built into the app |
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| 11:53.12 | canllaith | Kdesktop & Koepte currently have support for it |
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| 11:53.19 | r00tsh3ll | canllaith, r0x! |
| 11:53.27 | canllaith | On kopete under emotes |
| 11:53.29 | canllaith | and under stylesheets |
| 11:53.33 | canllaith | and kdesktop under wallpaper |
| 11:53.37 | canllaith | click on the 'get new foo' button |
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| 11:54.01 | xonicx | kryczek: do u mean i can do that my configuering konqueror? how to configure it then? |
| 11:54.45 | Kryczek_ | xonicx: i don't know, i never did it and i am compiling kde 3.4 now so i cannot look right now, but i know it's possible |
| 11:54.59 | Kryczek_ | to add support for shortcuts in the address bar |
| 11:55.04 | Kryczek_ | and probably what you say |
| 11:55.19 | ARTMAN | xzz, alright. brb |
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| 11:56.51 | r00tsh3ll | canllaith, setting contact list to show contacts with photo is there a way to change the size of the photos showed?! |
| 11:56.57 | canllaith | nah |
| 11:57.22 | r00tsh3ll | :~ |
| 11:57.36 | Quinn_Storm | I know its a bit heretical to say it but I still don't think kopete measures up to gaim...I really do hope it eventually will though, I like kde and gaim is kinda clunky to use with kde |
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| 11:57.52 | ARTMAN | that did the trick, back up and running |
| 11:57.59 | ARTMAN | so what happened exactly? |
| 11:58.07 | lilalinux | canllaith: i see |
| 11:58.07 | lilalinux | thx |
| 11:58.19 | lilalinux | I thought kopete could 'run' inside kontact |
| 11:59.14 | StarScreem | lilalinux: that would be....odd...... |
| 12:05.50 | lilalinux | StarScreem: why? |
| 12:06.04 | lilalinux | kmail and korganizer also run inside kontact |
| 12:06.24 | lilalinux | that's what kontact is therefor |
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| 12:07.10 | StarScreem | lilalinux: it would be inconvenient to have to open a whole kontact sized window just to view your contact list, or to receive a message |
| 12:07.53 | StarScreem | lilalinux: but you can link your contacts in Kontact with your Kopete buddies |
| 12:07.56 | lilalinux | I have xinerama, 1 monitor reserved only for kontact :) |
| 12:08.19 | StarScreem | heh well then its not so inconvenient for you :) |
| 12:08.40 | StarScreem | you can probably make a kpart to do it |
| 12:08.53 | StarScreem | if you wanted that specifically |
| 12:10.15 | lilalinux | not that important, just wondered :) |
| 12:11.33 | lilalinux | where can I find themes for kopete? |
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| 12:12.44 | Bille | lilalinux: running kde cvs? |
| 12:13.14 | lilalinux | no, experimental packages for debian |
| 12:13.18 | lilalinux | 3.4b2 I think |
| 12:13.53 | lilalinux | but I know how to handle cvs, if that was the question |
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| 12:21.21 | r00tsh3ll | not working :( |
| 12:21.24 | r00tsh3ll | http://r00tsh3ll.homelinux.org:8081/shotz/kde34hns.jpg |
| 12:23.16 | xorg | helo all ..was looking for a command line that could launch a webpage as a desktop (I mean background and fullscreen. thx for ur help |
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| 12:24.16 | Quinn_Storm | I'm having the same "error parsing providers list" problem on the get new wallpapers button |
| 12:28.25 | xorg | hello do u know any application that could help me ? I try to use for a desktop a webpage .. oki I am not using kde but I would like to try a trick on another desktop and like I got all the kde app and lib .. |
| 12:29.10 | jadrian | although the idea of having the selected sorted column stand out is nice, it looks pretty bad IMO :-| |
| 12:29.21 | jadrian | maybe it's my color scheme or something |
| 12:29.38 | jadrian | but I really dislike it... |
| 12:29.51 | bluesceada | ? |
| 12:31.03 | jadrian | just click on the top of a column of the filemanager, kmail or something to sort a list by that field |
| 12:31.15 | jadrian | the color on that column changes |
| 12:32.12 | jadrian | it's a nice idea, but I don't like the way it looks... either it's my color scheme or the way the new colors are calculated |
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| 12:40.02 | mobtek | woohoo 42 packages left to compile |
| 12:40.04 | mobtek | elitebeans |
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| 12:41.59 | marcusT | ever thought of a global offline switch or detecting system for KDE? Because when I start my notebook offline with the same session as I used when I was online all hell breaks loose because everything starts complaining (KMail, Kopete, Konqueror, KWeather, Konversation) |
| 12:47.11 | Bille | marcusT: coming in 3.4 |
| 12:47.38 | Bille | marcusT: we have the system there, but atm it's only used in kopete groupwise |
| 12:48.24 | Bille | marcusT: it's very complicated, and we don't want 3.4 to be the 'broken networking' release |
| 12:48.30 | Kryczek_ | heh :) |
| 12:49.19 | Kryczek_ | some small watchdog with a panel docklet, to see the state of the network, as in windows |
| 12:49.23 | Kryczek_ | that would be sweet |
| 12:49.51 | marcusT | ok, but I think kopete it the most broken app anyway... because the ICQ plugin complains continously and it starts eating up al memory |
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| 12:50.17 | Kryczek_ | marcusT: why don't you just shutdown kopete ? |
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| 12:50.45 | marcusT | Kryczek_: I don't mean something to show me wether the network is up or not, I mean something that tells me that the network is down and therefore the following services won't succeed and giving me a list instead of any application complaining independently |
| 12:51.19 | marcusT | Kryczek_: because I shut down my machine as it is, that's one of the reasons I use Linux/X11/KDE, Session management |
| 12:52.24 | marcusT | and the least thing I want to do is having to boot up my machine and start killing and closing apps because they can't handle that I don't have a internet connection |
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| 12:55.55 | vegai | Hello. I was wondering if there is or ever will be anything like Adblock for Konqueror? |
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| 12:58.07 | lauri | there's been popup blocking for years, there probably won't be an ip based blocker built into KDE, but someone might write a plugin one day |
| 13:01.48 | toggg | Pfff... that's langage :) |
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| 13:06.18 | Kryczek_ | marcusT: I perfectly understood what you meant the firsttime, but making a docklet with that system would be sweet :) |
| 13:06.50 | marcusT | Kryczek_: do you know KNemo? |
| 13:06.55 | tcaira | Hooray, kdebase compiled (after 4 hours) |
| 13:07.15 | vegai | perhaps I could use privoxy instead... though firefox's adblock is *extremely* handy |
| 13:07.17 | Kryczek_ | marcusT: no, what is it |
| 13:07.40 | marcusT | Kryczek_: basically what you want, a dock applet that show network state |
| 13:07.49 | tcaira | lynx's adblock is infinitely superior |
| 13:07.55 | tcaira | 0 ads, 0 popups |
| 13:08.22 | Kryczek_ | marcusT: based on if the network interface is up or down? that's uselss |
| 13:08.48 | canllaith | It also shows things like mac address, essid, gateway etc in a tooltip |
| 13:08.50 | canllaith | which is handy enough |
| 13:09.05 | marcusT | and traffic |
| 13:09.08 | Kryczek_ | that's ifconfig.... |
| 13:09.16 | Kryczek_ | I mean, for example |
| 13:09.26 | Kryczek_ | when I shutdown my router |
| 13:09.28 | canllaith | Kryczek_: Right, but if I ring up a customer and say 'Right ok, so what's your ip address so I can vnc in and fix it?' |
| 13:09.31 | vegai | tcaira: riight |
| 13:09.34 | Kryczek_ | ifconfig thinks the interface is still up |
| 13:09.41 | Kryczek_ | when it's not connected to a network anymore |
| 13:09.46 | canllaith | mmm |
| 13:10.00 | marcusT | Kryczek_: the interface is up... maybe the connection isn't there anymore, but that's something different |
| 13:10.06 | Kryczek_ | windows detected that, when the switch went down, it automatically said something about it |
| 13:10.56 | Kryczek_ | canllaith: it's easier to tell him to type ifconfig than to tell him how to add the applet ;) |
| 13:11.10 | Kryczek_ | but i see your point |
| 13:11.15 | canllaith | No, not if the applet is already there and I have disabled access to the konsole using kiosk :) |
| 13:11.18 | marcusT | but it actually knows the connection state as well (KNemo), I believe |
| 13:11.19 | Kryczek_ | it can be useful for the average user |
| 13:11.39 | tcaira | vegai: When was the last time you saw a popup in Lynx? |
| 13:11.40 | Kryczek_ | hrm ok, i'll try it |
| 13:12.11 | marcusT | well I still don't know if you can get those "media link off" messages somewhere in userspace |
| 13:12.20 | marcusT | would be a thing for HAL and dbus |
| 13:12.25 | vegai | tcaira: when's the last time you said something useful? =) |
| 13:12.26 | Kryczek_ | tcaira: try to visit www.kdevelop.org with lynx |
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| 13:18.16 | tcaira | Kryczek_: I didn't know they hated blind peopel |
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| 13:19.10 | segfault2k | hi there |
| 13:19.16 | segfault2k | is there an spanish channel for kde? |
| 13:20.35 | Kryczek_ | tcaira: maybe they didn't consider the case... you should mail them and explain :| |
| 13:24.17 | Kryczek_ | yay! just finished compiling kdm |
| 13:25.16 | Kryczek_ | eww, my new kdm is all ugly, like it is in Motif |
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| 13:32.51 | tcaira | Kryczek_: Precisle wha tI had in mind |
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| 13:42.39 | tcaira | I bet they made that IRC client *just* so they could have that default away message |
| 13:43.52 | Kryczek_ | haha |
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| 13:44.41 | Japsu | Hey, why can't I make the taskbar smaller than 24 pixels? :o |
| 13:44.45 | Japsu | (KDE 3.4) |
| 13:45.04 | SuperLag | any of you Gentoo users in here running KDE 3.4.0 yet? |
| 13:45.36 | Japsu | SuperLag: _o/ |
| 13:45.47 | mobtek | SuperLag: 9 packages to go |
| 13:45.56 | Japsu | SuperLag: although I'm having (Gentoo-specific) problems with having certain KDE packages installed |
| 13:46.19 | mobtek | then \o\ /o/ \o\ and \o/ |
| 13:46.20 | Japsu | SuperLag: They wont compile because they're missing some of the patches, as I reported in http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85624 |
| 13:46.28 | Japsu | mobtek: \\o \o/ o// |
| 13:46.35 | mobtek | hah Japsu |
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| 13:47.08 | mobtek | ahh amd64 |
| 13:47.09 | SuperLag | hmm |
| 13:47.17 | SuperLag | and I'm running AMD64 as well |
| 13:47.46 | Japsu | I'm running AMDXP |
| 13:47.47 | Japsu | :( |
| 13:48.18 | Japsu | GAH! I really have to upgrade my file system to reiserfs... this ext3 is painfully slow |
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| 13:48.33 | Kryczek_ | you see the difference ? |
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| 13:49.17 | SuperLag | Japsu: looks to me like the the name of the patch in the ebuild needs to be changed, to remove the beta1 |
| 13:49.31 | Japsu | SuperLag: yeah, most likely |
| 13:49.38 | SuperLag | Japsu: because the patch does reside in /usr/portage/kde-base/kdemultimedia/files |
| 13:49.56 | Kryczek_ | SuperLag: i'm compiling it right now |
| 13:50.05 | SuperLag | if I was on the KDE team, I'd commit the fix, but I'm not yet |
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| 13:50.25 | SuperLag | try putting it in your overlay with a modified ebuild |
| 13:50.43 | Japsu | SuperLag: It seems the Gentoo folks just handled my patch and found it a duplicate of http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85591 and http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85581. |
| 13:50.57 | Japsu | *handled my bug report |
| 13:50.58 | Kryczek_ | mobtek: Japsu: ~20 packages to go, then \o/ <o> _o\ /o\ |
| 13:51.03 | Japsu | hehe |
| 13:51.09 | Kryczek_ | (YMCA ;) |
| 13:51.11 | Japsu | I'm already running a bare-bones KDE 3.4 |
| 13:51.11 | mobtek | Kryczek_: 7 |
| 13:51.20 | mobtek | still running rc1 |
| 13:51.23 | Japsu | but I'm missing kdemultimedia, kdenetwork, kdepim etc |
| 13:51.36 | Kryczek_ | mobtek: does it unmerge previous kde version automatically ? |
| 13:51.41 | mobtek | hehe I emerged every meta package bar webdev :P |
| 13:51.48 | mobtek | Kryczek_: yuppers |
| 13:51.54 | Kryczek_ | mobtek: i still see kde 3.2.1 entries in /var/db/pkg |
| 13:51.58 | Kryczek_ | mobtek: at the very end? |
| 13:51.59 | mobtek | well the rc1 packages it did |
| 13:52.05 | mobtek | as it went along |
| 13:52.11 | SuperLag | well... I'm still running 3.3.2, and the reason I was asking was because I wanted to get the kde sections of your package.* file from one of you guys so I don't have to work hard and type it all out :) |
| 13:52.18 | Kryczek_ | mobtek: cause it already emerged the new arts, but both seem to be in/var/db/pkg |
| 13:52.18 | mobtek | I manually removed the 3.3.2 packages with a -C :P |
| 13:52.29 | mobtek | SuperLag: on gentoo forums |
| 13:52.31 | mobtek | lemme find it |
| 13:52.31 | SuperLag | mobtek: is it slotting everything? |
| 13:52.40 | Kryczek_ | slotting ? |
| 13:52.55 | SuperLag | Kryczek_: yes, where you have 2 separate versions installed |
| 13:53.30 | mobtek | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2199972-highlight-kdenetworkmeta.html#2199972 |
| 13:53.32 | mobtek | oops wrong on |
| 13:53.33 | mobtek | one |
| 13:54.08 | mobtek | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2156167-highlight-kdenetworkmeta.html#2156167 there |
| 13:54.23 | mobtek | those are the packages you need in packages.keywords |
| 13:54.31 | mobtek | not the packages.unmask :) |
| 13:54.36 | SuperLag | great |
| 13:54.51 | Japsu | I find it very annoying that Gentoo slots KDE... I just noticed I have four KDEs installed. |
| 13:55.14 | mobtek | Japsu: yeah it is |
| 13:55.33 | mobtek | SuperLag: then cat /etc/portage/package.keywords | grep -i meta |
| 13:55.37 | mobtek | for the meta package names |
| 13:55.50 | mobtek | woot 4 packages to go :) |
| 13:57.15 | Kryczek_ | is it then safe to prune kde ? |
| 13:57.34 | Japsu | Kryczek_: I'd guess so |
| 13:57.56 | Japsu | Kryczek_: or well, I think it might make some old KDE apps stop working |
| 13:58.03 | Japsu | Kryczek_: those you've compiled against old KDEs |
| 13:58.08 | Japsu | Kryczek_: you have to re-emerge them |
| 13:58.13 | Japsu | Kryczek_: not sure tho |
| 13:58.15 | Kryczek_ | I find it funny that the ebuilds in kdeartwork run a whole ./configure to test if your system will be able to have wallpapers installed |
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| 13:58.45 | Japsu | Kryczek_: It's not only wallpapers |
| 13:58.56 | Japsu | Kryczek_: There's stuff that really gets compiled in kdeartwork |
| 13:59.02 | Japsu | Kryczek_: such as some widget themes |
| 13:59.08 | Kryczek_ | i know |
| 13:59.16 | Kryczek_ | but the first one, of the kdeartwork-meta split ebuild |
| 13:59.21 | Kryczek_ | can't remember which one it is |
| 13:59.23 | Japsu | hmm |
| 13:59.27 | Japsu | I don't do split KDE ebuilds |
| 13:59.32 | Kryczek_ | spent more time doing the ./configure |
| 13:59.40 | Kryczek_ | than copying those alien-night.jpg etc |
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| 13:59.50 | Japsu | still using the "old way" and I'm not going to start using the split ebuilds unless it becomes compulsory |
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| 14:00.20 | Kryczek_ | Japsu: the old way, does that mean it still installs all the useless games etc ? |
| 14:00.31 | Japsu | Kryczek_: well yeah, if you emerge kdegames :D |
| 14:00.43 | Kryczek_ | i used to emerge kde before :p |
| 14:01.04 | Japsu | Kryczek_: and when it comes to games, you never know... When you're really bored, a new KDE game you've never played before could save your day! |
| 14:01.08 | Japsu | :) |
| 14:01.16 | Kryczek_ | Japsu: I have urban terror for that :) |
| 14:01.21 | SuperLag | Japsu: it is |
| 14:01.32 | SuperLag | Kryczek_: so what do you do now? |
| 14:01.35 | Japsu | Kryczek_: hehe |
| 14:01.43 | Japsu | ETF is quite a strong choice also :D |
| 14:01.44 | SuperLag | compile them all from source, manually? |
| 14:01.56 | Kryczek_ | SuperLag: i emerge kdebase-meta, and then i'll pick what i want, like kopete and some more |
| 14:02.55 | Kryczek_ | SuperLag: I use gentoo, so I only have to do "emerge kopete" to have kopete for example, installed, instead of the whole kdenetwork |
| 14:05.18 | Japsu | Eh, did I get this straight... KDE has a framework for games? |
| 14:05.34 | Japsu | like a class KGame from which you just inherit things and poof, you have a basis for your game? :D |
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| 14:05.42 | roshambo | hello all |
| 14:05.49 | Japsu | hi roshambo |
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| 14:06.35 | roshambo | ive been looking into kde's thumbnailing system, and it seems to put the thumbnails into ~/.thumbnails/normal/<filename>.png... i am wondering if this is an md5 hash? |
| 14:06.42 | roshambo | the filename i mean |
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| 14:07.16 | Enforcer_JB | Hi everybody |
| 14:07.37 | Enforcer_JB | Where is the "OSX style menubar" option in KDE 3.4.0's kcontrol? My kicker keeps crashing, I suspect it's because of this menubar |
| 14:07.38 | jadrian | whi is it that konqueror now shows file:/// and not file:// |
| 14:07.40 | Enforcer_JB | and I want to turn it off. |
| 14:08.15 | Kryczek_ | jadrian: because you start at / ? |
| 14:08.25 | Kryczek_ | jadrian: it's file:// /home/jadrian/.. |
| 14:08.57 | segfault2k | haha :P |
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| 14:09.56 | Kryczek_ | it's sure less ugly than old netscape or IE who showed file://C:/ or i dont know |
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| 14:11.38 | r00tsh3ll | somebody here using kde 3.4 under slackaware?! |
| 14:11.48 | mobtek | wow 3.4 final |
| 14:11.49 | jadrian | Kryczek_: good point :) |
| 14:11.50 | mobtek | ZOOM! |
| 14:12.30 | Kryczek_ | mobtek: finished emerging it? lucky you :) |
| 14:13.16 | mobtek | yay |
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| 14:13.34 | SteamedPenguin | jadrian: I am pretty sure file:/// is part of freedesktop.org spec or something like that |
| 14:14.24 | mobtek | Kryczek_: the startup time over rc1 was very noticable |
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| 14:14.30 | mobtek | started up in about 5 seconds |
| 14:15.59 | mobtek | wow and it only took 12 hours to compile every meta package bar webdev |
| 14:16.02 | mobtek | man that was fast |
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| 14:23.36 | jadrian | I just wonder why there is no kdebase 3.4 for SUSE 8.2... |
| 14:23.47 | jadrian | I feel tempted to install SUSE 9.0 kdebase... |
| 14:24.04 | mobtek | god I hate nvidia |
| 14:24.06 | segfault2k | why you dont use suse 9.1 or 9.2 ? |
| 14:24.07 | mobtek | I really really do |
| 14:24.30 | jadrian | segfault2k: can't afford to upgrade right now, can't mess up with the system too much |
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| 14:25.10 | jadrian | segfault2k: also 9.3 is just around the corner, about one month away |
| 14:25.24 | stdout | is there anything special i need take care of while installing qt ? |
| 14:25.29 | stdout | installing/compilling |
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| 14:27.31 | Doktoreas | does kandy support bluettoth conenciton? |
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| 14:30.01 | dwango | hmm |
| 14:30.14 | dwango | was konqueror's search bar removed in 3.4 release? |
| 14:33.32 | PhilRod | it's part of kdeaddons |
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| 14:37.03 | annma | PhilRod: do you know Andrew Coles? |
| 14:37.15 | annma | is he part of the i18n team? |
| 14:37.21 | annma | i18n-doc? |
| 14:38.34 | PhilRod | annma: he does en_GB translation and proofreading, although I haven't seen him around for a while |
| 14:38.54 | annma | proofreading of all docs? |
| 14:39.07 | annma | he just committed something wrong in Kalzium |
| 14:39.33 | mobtek | ove KTTS |
| 14:39.37 | mobtek | love hehehe |
| 14:39.41 | annma | if he reads i18n-doc mailing list he should know Kalzium author asked for soemone to review correctly all the strings |
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| 14:40.08 | lasindi | Hi all, I'm compiling KDE 3.4, but on kdepim and kdeaddons I get the following error: |
| 14:40.20 | lasindi | geo_xxport.cpp:41: error: `libkaddrbk_geo_xxport' was not declared in this |
| 14:40.20 | lasindi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.32 | PhilRod | lasindi: put the last ~50 lines of the error on a pasteboard |
| 14:40.52 | annma | PhilRod: his fixes generally are not bad but it seems that he just looks too quickly at things |
| 14:41.23 | PhilRod | annma: OK, I'll take a look now |
| 14:41.36 | lasindi | http://rafb.net/paste/results/i20WzN11.html |
| 14:41.41 | annma | maybe you could see with him how to be more efficient |
| 14:41.58 | lasindi | That's from kdeaddons |
| 14:42.01 | annma | he could also write a note about the most common mistakes |
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| 14:42.25 | PhilRod | annma: indeed you're right ("noble gases", not "Nobel gases") |
| 14:42.52 | annma | PhilRod: overall his way of fixing things does not seem the best |
| 14:43.20 | annma | if he does not read i18n mailing lists then it's all wrong |
| 14:43.42 | lasindi | PhilRod: Any ideas about how to fix the error? |
| 14:44.32 | annma | lasindi: what's the error in kdepim? |
| 14:45.22 | lasindi | Ooops, haven't built it yet. I guess it's a dependency for those two? |
| 14:45.53 | PhilRod | well, the error is probably due to not having kdepim |
| 14:46.02 | PhilRod | although if it's required, configure should have stopped |
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| 14:46.49 | PhilRod | annma: is this a one-off, or have his changes caused any other problems? |
| 14:47.18 | annma | lasindi: you're building a kaddressbook plugin so you need kaddressbook. However the compilation of that dir should have been skipped, can you post the whole config.log from kdeaddons please? |
| 14:48.17 | annma | PhilRod: well overall I am not sure his changes are pertinent |
| 14:48.45 | annma | he could write a doc about the most common mistakes and we all would be able to improve our english |
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| 14:49.04 | annma | PhilRod: I would prefer he takes one doc/app and looks at it more deeply |
| 14:49.13 | annma | not just a , changed to a ; |
| 14:49.40 | lasindi | annma: http://rafb.net/paste/results/LGDlzI45.html |
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| 14:49.53 | annma | and no need to invest on Kalzium when the author asked specifically for a deep review |
| 14:50.02 | enedhilwen | hi, how can i start a single child panel without the big panel? |
| 14:50.32 | PhilRod | annma: I think this would be a whole proofreading team thing. You could write to kde-doc-english asking how they work, and expressing your general concerns |
| 14:51.04 | PhilRod | annma: in the case of kalzium, provided he reads your message, it should be OK |
| 14:51.25 | aseigo | enedhilwen: why would you need to? just make the main panel smaller, move it, etc.. |
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| 14:51.50 | enedhilwen | aseigo: nice idea. |
| 14:52.08 | enedhilwen | aseigo: thanks |
| 14:52.25 | annma | PhilRod: yes, a whole team work that's why I ask if he belongs to your team |
| 14:52.40 | annma | lasindi: so you have kaddressbook |
| 14:52.40 | segfault2k | there is a mirror for debian with kde 3.4 final? |
| 14:52.53 | PhilRod | lasindi: hrm, line 2355 suggests that you do have kaddressbook - do you have an old KDE version on your system? |
| 14:53.19 | PhilRod | annma: also, I have to reprimand you for not using entities in your KLettres doc commits :-/ |
| 14:53.31 | annma | PhilRod: work in progress |
| 14:53.33 | PhilRod | (eg "KLettres" instead of "&klettres;" |
| 14:53.35 | PhilRod | ) |
| 14:53.39 | annma | PhilRod: yes |
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| 14:53.46 | lasindi | PhilRod: yes. |
| 14:53.48 | annma | but we neophytes need time |
| 14:54.01 | annma | lasindi: what is your KDE 3.4 install dir? |
| 14:54.07 | lasindi | What does "pim" stand for anyways? |
| 14:54.13 | annma | lasindi: what is your KDE 3.4 install dir? |
| 14:54.16 | lasindi | annma: /opt |
| 14:54.25 | PhilRod | and there's some presentational markup there too: <emphasis role="bold"> |
| 14:54.27 | lasindi | */opt/kde |
| 14:54.41 | annma | I canot use bold? |
| 14:54.58 | annma | lasindi: and the other kde version install dir? |
| 14:55.08 | PhilRod | annma: in general, you should use a tag that tells you what the item *is*, eg <guilabel> in that case, I think |
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| 14:55.30 | lasindi | annma: The same. |
| 14:55.31 | PhilRod | let me check the particular example |
| 14:55.32 | annma | PhilRod: ok but as with Carsten we cannot wait for something to be perfect before committing |
| 14:55.49 | annma | we need to commit even if it needs further work |
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| 14:56.13 | annma | that's what's happening in HEAD at the moment as we are at the cycle beginnning |
| 14:56.22 | annma | lasindi: here you go then |
| 14:56.38 | annma | lasindi: kdeadons picks your old kde that you did not remove |
| 14:56.48 | annma | your old kaddressbook |
| 14:56.52 | lasindi | Is the address book in kdepim? |
| 14:56.55 | annma | yes |
| 14:57.22 | PhilRod | annma: hrm, I'm not sure - the problems are with the docbook, rather than the content. It's just as easy to do that right first time, IMO. |
| 14:57.27 | PhilRod | I see your point though |
| 14:57.48 | annma | PhilRod: it's easy for you but not for me |
| 14:57.59 | annma | all those tags are quite tricky for us developers |
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| 14:58.10 | PhilRod | annma: yes, I appreciate that. I'm trying to think what the best way to approach it is |
| 14:58.12 | annma | I opened a few other docbook files to check things already |
| 14:58.28 | annma | (so it could have been worse) |
| 14:58.59 | annma | you'll note I did use &kcontrol; though |
| 14:59.19 | annma | I'll try to improve right now |
| 14:59.34 | lasindi | OK, thanks, I'll ask if I have problems after I get kdepim compiled. |
| 14:59.57 | annma | lasindi: as a rule you should not keep an old installation in the same KDEDIR |
| 15:00.02 | PhilRod | OK, just keep working on the klettres doc, and when it's finished, bug me to check the docbook |
| 15:00.05 | PhilRod | how does that sound? |
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| 15:00.16 | annma | why didn't you use /opt/kde3.4 as your new install dir, lasindi? |
| 15:00.22 | lasindi | annma: I know. =P |
| 15:00.27 | annma | PhilRod: ok :) |
| 15:00.44 | annma | PhilRod: my problem is that I do to many things |
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| 15:01.06 | PhilRod | annma: but just for those two examples: almost all KDE apps have an entity, which is the name of the app in lowercase |
| 15:01.41 | annma | ok |
| 15:01.43 | PhilRod | and, always add markup that describes what things *are*. If you don't know the right tag, ask in #kde-docs or kde-doc-english |
| 15:01.57 | annma | yes |
| 15:02.11 | mobtek | hmm I wonder why ktts doesn't finish every sentence? |
| 15:02.12 | PhilRod | but it's generally good work, and great to see coders writing docs :-D |
| 15:02.19 | annma | :) |
| 15:02.30 | annma | I used > and & |
| 15:02.41 | PhilRod | mobtek: I tried setting up festival with it, but got that sort of behaviour. Didn't figure it out though |
| 15:02.53 | PhilRod | annma: cool :-) |
| 15:02.59 | mobtek | I feel like I'm in the movie Mission to Mars :P |
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| 15:03.29 | kayali | hi there |
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| 15:03.44 | stgraber | kayali: salut |
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| 15:09.07 | markey | ? |
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| 15:09.54 | Julianyus | hi |
| 15:10.29 | mobtek | hi beans |
| 15:10.35 | mobtek | the regexp in ktts is great |
| 15:10.48 | mobtek | I can filter out all the <> around the names |
| 15:10.50 | mobtek | kekeke |
| 15:10.58 | annma | PhilRod: via &kcontrol; -> System Administration -> Font Installer <guilabel> for System AAdministration and Font Installer? |
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| 15:21.53 | dwango | "oops" |
| 15:22.17 | dwango | gentoo forgot to include "konq-plugins" in their kdeaddons-meta package, which means the konqueror search bar isn't installed. |
| 15:23.07 | siplus | I just set up a gnome-panel in my KDE desktop on Fedora Core 3, how can I have it set so gnome-panel will launch when KDE starts? |
| 15:23.54 | dwango | why are you using gnome-panel? |
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| 15:24.27 | mobtek | siplus: thats just odd :) |
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| 15:25.00 | siplus | i wanted the top panel to be transparent, while the bottom one regular, and i wanted all the gnome applets that i'm used to (and not finding any easy way to do this in KDE, i'm just going to run both.... hey-- i have the resources to do it:) |
| 15:25.03 | estel | when I try to run kde with arabic language I can only see squares instead of lettres - why? |
| 15:25.12 | kayali | siplus: if you just log out, doesn't KDE remember that gnome-panel was in your last session and start it again? |
| 15:25.29 | siplus | it will? |
| 15:25.33 | mobtek | siplus: why don't you use the kde applets that are the equiv of the gnome applets |
| 15:25.40 | mobtek | be a hell of a lot easier |
| 15:25.57 | SteamedPenguin | estel: salamat, do you have kde-i18n-ar installed? |
| 15:26.20 | SteamedPenguin | estel: is your system set up for localization and do you have Arabic fonts? |
| 15:26.26 | siplus | well, the gnome-applets are a bit better imo. such as: system monitor. i can't stand the KDE one, the wireless monitor, and a few others |
| 15:26.58 | annma | estel: your font is not correct |
| 15:27.04 | siplus | but i like KDE a lot more as the desktop environment... i don't want to choose between the DE and applets--that's just silly. i want to have both |
| 15:27.41 | mobtek | heh whats more important ? |
| 15:27.43 | estel | SteamedPenguin: i have installed kde-i18n-ar and some fonts (ttf-arabeyes xfonts-intl-arabic xfonts-efont-unicode xfonts-efont-unicode-ib) |
| 15:28.12 | kayali | siplus: you're so damn right ;) use whatever you like. I personaly don't want any piece of gnome on my box, but if you like their applets.... try quitting kde and see if the xxxxx-panel starts again :) |
| 15:28.35 | mobtek | kayali: good idea |
| 15:28.49 | annma | estel: what app has problems specifically? |
| 15:28.52 | mobtek | I'd be interested to see if it remembers it |
| 15:29.03 | mobtek | hehehe |
| 15:29.04 | estel | every kde application - kicker, kdesktop, kwin.... |
| 15:29.41 | annma | estel: what font is set in KControl? |
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| 15:29.52 | siplus | alright, i'll just try relogging in and see if it automagically pops up. if not, i just made a non-KDE app button that starts gnome-panel :) |
| 15:30.17 | dwango | siplus, otherwise you can add it to ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 15:30.19 | kayali | it should remember it |
| 15:30.23 | siplus | that's a good idea |
| 15:31.03 | estel | annma: shell i install new fonts or what do you mean exactly? |
| 15:31.18 | annma | estel: open KControl |
| 15:31.44 | estel | which section - which point? |
| 15:31.45 | SteamedPenguin | estel: in your kernel do you have arabic support? |
| 15:31.45 | annma | estel: in Appearance & Themes, look at fonts |
| 15:31.50 | mobtek | heeh siplus |
| 15:31.59 | annma | SteamedPenguin: isn't that enabled? |
| 15:32.08 | siplus | dwango: would i add gnome-panel to the bottom of the ~/.kde/Autostart/Autorun.desktop, or would i make a new file in ~/.kde/Autostart ? |
| 15:32.19 | SteamedPenguin | annma: it depends on whether the kernel is provided or self-compiled |
| 15:32.20 | annma | estel: point me to an arabic website please |
| 15:32.45 | annma | SteamedPenguin: so far I never had problems with cyrillic and japanese for example |
| 15:32.50 | annma | or hebrew |
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| 15:33.05 | estel | annma: i don't know an arabic site - i can't even speak arabic, but i have an internet kiosk ;-) |
| 15:33.20 | dwango | siplus, not exactly sure, but since its a directory I would think you could just make a new file. |
| 15:33.22 | annma | kiosk? |
| 15:33.30 | estel | internet cafe |
| 15:33.33 | annma | ok |
| 15:33.34 | dwango | or a link to gnome-panel, perhaps |
| 15:33.49 | annma | is arabic ar? |
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| 15:34.03 | SteamedPenguin | annma: yes |
| 15:34.09 | estel | yes |
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| 15:34.57 | annma | estel: should be a few minutes until I compile it |
| 15:35.05 | estel | annma: ok, thanks |
| 15:35.59 | Oleg_ | oh my God, anybody uses apollon? |
| 15:36.10 | kayali | hey, something I've been wondering since the day I've been using kde... I usually live my life in both french and english. How do I go about switching between those two languages spellchecker wise? For instance, launch kmail, write a message, spellcheck it in french. Start a new one, this one should be spellchecked in english. Different kopete windows, different spellcheck languages. Is that even possible? (using aspell) |
| 15:36.13 | segfault2k | i do Oleg_ |
| 15:36.50 | Oleg_ | segfault2k: you are able to connect to OpenFt, Fastrack, and etc.? |
| 15:37.02 | Oleg_ | try it now |
| 15:37.04 | Oleg_ | please |
| 15:37.07 | segfault2k | im conected in fastrrack |
| 15:37.08 | segfault2k | openft |
| 15:37.21 | segfault2k | apollon init and connect with my kde |
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| 15:37.34 | spike | hi there |
| 15:37.53 | Oleg_ | I can't connect for some reason |
| 15:37.53 | segfault2k | now im downloading in fasttrack |
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| 15:37.59 | segfault2k | giftd logs' |
| 15:38.00 | segfault2k | ? |
| 15:38.04 | siplus | cool... it started up automatically |
| 15:38.11 | Oleg_ | ok, how can I see them? |
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| 15:38.20 | redduck666 | every time i reboot i need to go kmenu --> control center --> regional & accesibility --> keyboard layout --> xkb options and than uncheck "3rd level chooser --> press right win-key to choose 3rd level" than hit apply and than check that box and hit apply again to make that button do what i want it to do. is this a bug or do i simply need to store settings? |
| 15:38.25 | spike | unfortunatly even on linux sometimes things b0rk, and ps aux | grep ... kill isn't exactly userfriendly. isn't there some kde app tat can help with that? |
| 15:39.23 | Oleg_ | giftd logs'? |
| 15:39.29 | annma | estel: ok, done |
| 15:39.58 | annma | estel: as soon as I went to KControl and choose arabic as language, kcontrol displayed arabic |
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| 15:40.11 | annma | estel: I had nothing to do for it |
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| 15:40.26 | kayali | estel: how did you install your fonts? |
| 15:40.43 | estel | i'm using debian - apt |
| 15:40.57 | siplus | the only thing is.... the gaim system tray icon now shows up in the gnome-panel, and it won't go in the kde panel :-/ |
| 15:41.03 | annma | estel: I am running kde from sources |
| 15:41.05 | Oleg_ | segfault2k? |
| 15:41.08 | segfault2k | Oleg_: run an giftd -v |
| 15:41.13 | annma | estel: the best is to ask in #debian-kde |
| 15:41.14 | segfault2k | and then run apollon |
| 15:41.16 | segfault2k | try to connect |
| 15:41.26 | kayali | but did you update the X config file, or did you restart XFS ... are you sure the fonts are known about by the X server? |
| 15:41.47 | estel | i'll try |
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| 15:42.03 | annma | estel: http://img129.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img129&image=kcontrol9hv.png |
| 15:42.22 | annma | estel: that's what I have |
| 15:42.41 | estel | ok, thank you |
| 15:42.42 | segfault2k | what language is that annma |
| 15:42.44 | segfault2k | the symbols |
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| 15:42.48 | annma | segfault2k: arabic |
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| 15:42.58 | annma | segfault2k: I just tried it |
| 15:43.14 | estel | annma: what fonts do you use? |
| 15:43.30 | annma | estel: I like languages, I'd be thrilled to get KHangMan in arabic if that game exists in that language |
| 15:43.43 | annma | estel: I did nto change anything at all in my kde |
| 15:44.00 | annma | arial as general foont |
| 15:44.16 | annma | arial almost everywhere in kde |
| 15:44.23 | estel | i'm using bitstream, so i'll try to change |
| 15:44.46 | annma | estel: whit japanese or cyrillic or arabic the right font should be automatically used |
| 15:45.03 | estel | russian language does work |
| 15:45.07 | estel | greek does not |
| 15:45.09 | annma | I can view anything without changing fonts |
| 15:45.18 | Oleg_ | segfault2k: ok, Gnutella: No hosts to try. Looking in gwebcaches... |
| 15:45.18 | Oleg_ | [10:45:12] Gnutella: Retrying to connect to nodes... |
| 15:45.28 | annma | estel: however debian has a special way for languages |
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| 15:45.36 | annma | estel: maybe google can help |
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| 15:45.45 | Oleg_ | segfault2k: this is just one of the examples of the messages that still continue to run |
| 15:46.15 | segfault2k | how did you compile apollon and gift? |
| 15:46.32 | Oleg_ | stTrack: fst_session.c:164(fst_session_disconnect): disconnected from 24.169.143.215:3627 |
| 15:46.51 | Oleg_ | I compiled it using the graphical all in one installer |
| 15:47.01 | Oleg_ | this problem happened recently |
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| 15:47.15 | Oleg_ | before that I could connect to everything |
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| 15:48.00 | Kew | Hi do you have webhosting or reseller ? http://www.otomotivshow.com |
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| 15:48.21 | segfault2k | f&$·&$·ing spammer |
| 15:49.19 | Oleg_ | so, you dunno? |
| 15:50.20 | annma | Oleg_: recently? so remove the config files |
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| 15:51.27 | snicky | whats the kde irc client ? |
| 15:51.34 | segfault2k | konversation |
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| 15:51.51 | snicky | it krashes |
| 15:51.59 | segfault2k | how? |
| 15:52.01 | Oleg_ | ok, I just entered #apollon and I got this message: Problem connecting? Delete ~/.giFT/<Plugin>/nodes |
| 15:52.46 | snicky | like in pops out of the screen and asks if you wanna send bug reports |
| 15:53.03 | segfault2k | snicky: go to #konversation |
| 15:53.48 | snicky | i tought ksirc was the kde irc client |
| 15:54.10 | segfault2k | but konvi is better :P |
| 15:54.22 | snicky | nutard |
| 15:54.54 | snicky | if you want KDE 2 = windows |
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| 15:55.32 | aseigo | yes, it's ksirc |
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| 15:56.13 | aseigo | and konvi is getting better... current devel is pretty good... still a little heavy on the cpu at times and the notifications aren't as well tuned as ksirc, but it's got a lot of other things going for it too |
| 15:56.27 | kayali | aseigo: aren't they going to drop it in favor of konvi? |
| 15:56.43 | aseigo | the difference between the last stable release and the current devel is huge, so... i expect konvi to overtake ksirc sooner rather than later... |
| 15:57.01 | aseigo | kayali: no such decision has been made, no |
| 15:57.11 | Oleg_ | ok, I deleted ~/.giFT and now I am able to connect to OpenFT and FastTrack |
| 15:57.31 | Oleg_ | but why can't I connect to Gnutella? |
| 15:57.41 | snicky | pls j #kedora |
| 15:57.51 | snicky | it need more peeps |
| 15:57.55 | kayali | so noone knows how to handle my spell checking annoyances? |
| 15:58.41 | snicky | i want a irc with speelcheking |
| 15:59.00 | aseigo | kayali: i believe the kspell2 lib in development is capable of switching langs. |
| 15:59.09 | aseigo | kayali: but not the current one |
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| 16:06.16 | kayali | aseigo: ok thanks. I'll be waiting :) |
| 16:06.49 | AnotherData | anyone find any slackware packages for kde 3.4 yet....? |
| 16:07.00 | gyo | hi all |
| 16:07.34 | gyo | Is it possible to print more than 4 pages per sheet with kdeprint ? |
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| 16:08.18 | gyo | gnumdk, tiens salut |
| 16:08.49 | annma | AnotherData: there will be Klax packages soon probably |
| 16:08.59 | ponto | gyo: use the appropriate filter |
| 16:09.01 | AnotherData | oh,ok |
| 16:09.12 | gyo | ponto, how ? |
| 16:09.41 | ponto | gyo: in the print dialog you can select a filter which allows you to print more than 4 pages on a sheet |
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| 16:11.54 | gyo | ponto, in properties dialog ? |
| 16:12.04 | r00tsh3ll | does anybody already did slackpacks for kde 3.4 final? |
| 16:12.10 | ponto | gyo: what do you use, kprinter? |
| 16:12.26 | ponto | gyo: it is in the properties dialog of the printer |
| 16:12.34 | AnotherData | r00tsh3ll:nope |
| 16:12.42 | gyo | ok |
| 16:13.04 | gyo | ponto, yes but it is limited to 4 ... |
| 16:13.17 | ponto | gyo: then go to the filter section |
| 16:13.56 | ponto | gyo: and add the filter for multiple pages printing |
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| 16:16.03 | [miles_work] | Hi, can anyone tell me how to dissable the log windows on KDM in 3.4... its sitting in the top right of my display |
| 16:16.07 | [miles_work] | erm, top left |
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| 16:17.45 | gyo | ponto, mm when I select (not add) multipage filter, it says that its'nt available |
| 16:18.05 | ponto | gyo: maybe you miss the needed program. it is psnup |
| 16:18.18 | gyo | oh ok |
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| 16:24.31 | DaBlade | hello |
| 16:24.53 | DaBlade | I'm running Fedora Core 3, KDE 3.3.1-2.6.FC3 |
| 16:25.09 | DaBlade | I wanna update it, but I don't understand konstruct too well |
| 16:25.33 | DaBlade | If I understand the readme correctly, it'll only update it for my account. I want a system wide update |
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| 16:26.10 | DaBlade | I have probably missed something, but I got too much to do read long guides |
| 16:26.15 | DaBlade | can anyone help me out? |
| 16:28.01 | DeuX | DaBlade: maybe you might want to try some other distro that comes with prebuilt KDE 3.4 :) |
| 16:28.03 | annma | where does it say it'll be just for your user? |
| 16:28.04 | radiohead | im using src for kde 3.4 but i get this err |
| 16:28.05 | radiohead | configure: error: xmkmf/imake not found. Please make sure it's in PATH! |
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| 16:28.13 | DeuX | but well FC4 test 1 comes with it rite ? |
| 16:28.14 | DaBlade | DeuX: No thanks. I'm gonna stick to fedora |
| 16:28.16 | radiohead | i know i have imake on /usr/X11* |
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| 16:28.33 | DaBlade | And I'm not gonna update to FC4 till FC4 reaches stable |
| 16:29.02 | apokryphos | DaBlade: kde 3.4 is in the repositories |
| 16:29.03 | DeuX | radi0head: it's part of xorg so you might be missing one or two stuffs |
| 16:29.04 | DaBlade | I downloaded and extracted konstruct in /home/dablade/downloads/konstruct/ |
| 16:29.11 | apokryphos | DaBlade: rc1 is, at least. |
| 16:29.16 | radiohead | DeuX, |
| 16:29.33 | DaBlade | apokryphos: installing through RPMs provided some serious problems when I updated to 3.3 |
| 16:29.38 | radiohead | /usr/X11R6/bin/imake |
| 16:29.40 | DeuX | DaBlade: why don't you try the RPMS ? |
| 16:29.48 | apokryphos | DaBlade: the repos gave you problems? |
| 16:29.53 | DaBlade | no |
| 16:30.14 | apokryphos | DaBlade: then you should try it :). Two people in my house are using it, and it's working pretty smoothly there. |
| 16:30.14 | DaBlade | I downloaded the RPMs before they came out to the apt repositories, and tried installing them with rpm -ivh * |
| 16:30.15 | DeuX | radiohead: can I know what distro is this ? |
| 16:30.20 | radiohead | slackware DeuX |
| 16:30.34 | radiohead | and DeuX /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf |
| 16:30.36 | DaBlade | I don't wanna install every RPM manually. it could take ages. I'd rather have an automated process |
| 16:30.38 | snicky | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.56 | DeuX | hmmm |
| 16:30.56 | apokryphos | DaBlade: I understand, and you surely won't have to if you fetch 'em from the repositories. |
| 16:31.10 | DaBlade | but it's not in the apt repos yet |
| 16:31.10 | DeuX | that doesn't make sense radiohead... I'm not sure why it's complaining |
| 16:31.16 | apokryphos | DaBlade: konstruct will take much, much longer, and the chances of an error to fix are higher I'd say |
| 16:31.23 | radiohead | DeuX, do no man |
| 16:31.27 | apokryphos | DaBlade: rc1 is, yes. |
| 16:31.32 | DaBlade | okay...repositories it is |
| 16:31.37 | apokryphos | :) |
| 16:31.43 | DaBlade | no...I don't wanna update to FC4 |
| 16:32.05 | DeuX | radiohead: can you run "echo $PATH" ? |
| 16:32.12 | apokryphos | DaBlade: (not sure if that's addressed to me.. but you of course don't need to) |
| 16:32.13 | annma | DaBlade: where does it say it'll be just for your user? |
| 16:32.46 | DeuX | DaBlade: http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=stable/3.4/contrib/kde-redhat/fedora/3/ |
| 16:33.26 | DeuX | DaBlade: http://ftp.yz.yamagata-u.ac.jp/pub/X11/wm/kde/stable/3.4/contrib/kde-redhat/fedora/3/i386/RPMS/ |
| 16:33.36 | DaBlade | if I gotta install them manually, I gotta install them one by one, in a particular pattern because of the dependencies they have on each other |
| 16:33.40 | apokryphos | DeuX: there's not too much point him going through the whole process with rpms etc, if the repos have rc1. |
| 16:33.54 | DaBlade | mind giving me a list of which ones to install first, and which after that? |
| 16:34.06 | DaBlade | Zelda - Ocarina of Time; The best game ever :D |
| 16:34.18 | annma | Qt arts kdelibs kdebase |
| 16:34.22 | annma | is the order |
| 16:34.31 | DaBlade | there are a lot more packages than those |
| 16:34.31 | annma | DaBlade: ^^ |
| 16:34.39 | apokryphos | DaBlade: I don't think you need to do them one at a time. You can put them all in a folder and do "rpm -ivh *" I think. With dpkg you can at least; will resolve dependencies there. |
| 16:34.45 | annma | after that, order does not matter, DaBlade |
| 16:34.53 | redduck666 | hi blade |
| 16:34.57 | apokryphos | DaBlade: but I'm still wondering why you wouldn't get it from the repos... |
| 16:34.58 | DaBlade | hiya RD |
| 16:35.08 | DeuX | DaBlade: qt,arts, kdelibs, kdebase, the rest... then the last one is kdeaddons :) |
| 16:35.28 | DaBlade | alright |
| 16:35.29 | DeuX | nods nods... rpm -Uvh * should work too |
| 16:36.00 | DaBlade | is there no way to make like a chain of commands? (once you finish doing that, do this, and after that, do this...) |
| 16:36.20 | apokryphos | DaBlade: have you been reading what's been written? :) |
| 16:36.36 | gyo | ponto, ok thanks, it works now :) |
| 16:36.39 | apokryphos | DaBlade: you don't need to do that. Download them, put them in the folder, and use the wildcard. I'm pretty confident that that'll work. |
| 16:36.39 | DaBlade | not every message. It's hard to keep up with both a chat and TV |
| 16:36.53 | apokryphos | kill the TV then ;-) |
| 16:36.56 | DaBlade | apokryphos: it didn't when I installed 3.3 |
| 16:37.01 | DeuX | rpm -Uvh arts* ; rpm -Uvh kdelibs*; blablabla |
| 16:37.08 | DaBlade | oh |
| 16:37.08 | DaBlade | thanks |
| 16:37.25 | DeuX | you can use && too instead of ; |
| 16:37.36 | DaBlade | I'll use ; since it's shorter |
| 16:37.42 | DeuX | and that double & is not a typo :) |
| 16:37.42 | DaBlade | thanks for your help people :D |
| 16:37.48 | DeuX | np :) |
| 16:37.57 | DaBlade | I'll go download the RPMs now |
| 16:38.01 | DaBlade | oh, just one more thing |
| 16:38.01 | DeuX | I hope it works well with you |
| 16:38.07 | DaBlade | do I need to exit X when updating? |
| 16:38.12 | DeuX | nope |
| 16:38.12 | apokryphos | DaBlade: no |
| 16:38.20 | DeuX | but you need to restart after you update |
| 16:38.23 | DaBlade | okay, so I'll just do it in konsole |
| 16:38.25 | DaBlade | alright |
| 16:38.36 | DaBlade | adios people |
| 16:38.40 | apokryphos | DeuX: well, not really :P |
| 16:38.47 | apokryphos | oh, restart x, yes. |
| 16:39.05 | DaBlade | I'll restart the entire computer |
| 16:39.16 | DaBlade | it's been on for ages anyway..won't hurt it |
| 16:39.20 | apokryphos | it's not needed, but it's your choice. |
| 16:39.28 | DaBlade | adios amigos |
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| 16:42.54 | DeuX | apokryphos: well normally my konqy doesn't work well after update; unless I restart :) |
| 16:43.22 | apokryphos | DeuX: sorry, I was momentarily confused. A restart of x should be done, sure. |
| 16:43.52 | DeuX | :) nods nods... you made me confused there for a while too :) |
| 16:43.58 | DeuX | it's OK no biggies |
| 16:44.03 | apokryphos | heh |
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| 16:45.02 | r00tsh3ll | how can i disable checksun in konstruct?! |
| 16:45.13 | Oleg_ | canllaith is what, not here? |
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| 16:45.20 | Oleg_ | oh, her nick is here |
| 16:45.22 | annma | r00tsh3ll: look in the script |
| 16:45.45 | r00tsh3ll | annma, searching for... gonna look again |
| 16:49.10 | r00tsh3ll | annma, cant find the related line.. can u help me? |
| 16:49.28 | annma | r00tsh3ll: I don;t have konstruct here |
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| 16:49.39 | annma | why would you do that in fact? |
| 16:49.59 | r00tsh3ll | i already downloaded the tarballs |
| 16:50.38 | annma | so compile them by hand |
| 16:50.52 | annma | untar, ./configure make make install |
| 16:51.05 | annma | for qt, arts, kdelibs, kdebase |
| 16:51.09 | annma | and the others |
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| 16:54.41 | m-e-t | someone here to help me with konstruct? |
| 16:54.49 | r00tsh3ll | i prefer to use konstruct cuz i still need kde 3.3 here |
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| 16:56.03 | annma | m-e-t: what's up? |
| 16:56.18 | m-e-t | konstruct claims that i don't have qt >= 3.3 but portage says i ha ve 3.3.3 |
| 16:56.35 | annma | portage1 |
| 16:56.39 | annma | portage! |
| 16:56.47 | SteamedPenguin | m-e-t: this is for KDE 3.4.0? |
| 16:56.51 | annma | m-e-t: konstruct does nto care about portage |
| 16:56.52 | m-e-t | SteamedPenguin: yes |
| 16:57.00 | annma | m-e-t: set QTDIR |
| 16:57.07 | SteamedPenguin | m-e-t: just emerge -uD kde |
| 16:57.13 | annma | echo $QTDIR and paste |
| 16:57.23 | m-e-t | annma: ok |
| 16:57.26 | annma | the proble with Gentoo is that it teaches nothing |
| 16:57.56 | annma | m-e-t: however you might want to 'emerge' kde as SteamedPenguin said |
| 16:58.17 | m-e-t | no. my portage is somehow broken |
| 16:58.28 | SteamedPenguin | annma: well, in Arabic we say "do you want the grapes or do you want to fight the vinyard guard?" |
| 16:58.30 | kayali | annma: some people want to learn, some just don't care. which distro 'teaches' you about $QTDIR? |
| 16:58.32 | m-e-t | always behaves like emerge --pretend |
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| 16:58.45 | m-e-t | even when i just emerge |
| 16:58.49 | annma | kayali: Gentoo versus 'normal compilation' |
| 16:59.00 | SteamedPenguin | annma: normal my beeswax |
| 16:59.04 | kayali | annma: oh of course :) |
| 16:59.08 | annma | the first thing I learnt when 'compiling' Qt is to set QTDIR |
| 16:59.50 | SteamedPenguin | m-e-t: how is your portage broken? |
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| 17:01.21 | r00tsh3ll | annma: got it :) |
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| 17:02.28 | annma | r00tsh3ll: compiling by hand lets you install where you want: you do that by choosing a KDEDIR |
| 17:02.35 | annma | so you can keep your kde 3.3 |
| 17:02.45 | annma | (just to let you know) |
| 17:03.04 | chakie | konstruct is a big aid when compiling kde |
| 17:03.17 | chakie | i don't know if it's updated for 3.4 yet? |
| 17:03.27 | xzz | probably .. |
| 17:03.29 | SteamedPenguin | portage lets you install where you want too for that matter. |
| 17:03.41 | xzz | Doesn't it fetch from cvs? |
| 17:04.33 | annma | SteamedPenguin: how? |
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| 17:05.49 | SlackUX | hello! |
| 17:06.14 | Beineri | r00tsh3ll: why would you want to disable checksum checking? |
| 17:06.24 | annma | SteamedPenguin: how do you set your install dir in Gentoo? |
| 17:06.37 | annma | Beineri: he already downloaded the tarballs |
| 17:06.43 | Beineri | annma: and? |
| 17:06.47 | SlackUX | Anyone experiencing kicker using 1.0% CPU time every 5 seconds or so? |
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| 17:06.59 | annma | Beineri: and I don't know as I don't have konstruct |
| 17:07.17 | annma | Beineri: I told him to issue ./configure && make && make install |
| 17:07.29 | Beineri | annma: great ;-( |
| 17:07.33 | annma | ;-) |
| 17:07.55 | annma | I think there's a way to use konstruct on sources you already have, isn't ti? |
| 17:07.56 | Beineri | r00tsh3ll: throw the tarballs into $(HOME)/kde3.4-sources or whatever you configured as GARCHIVEDIR |
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| 17:08.08 | annma | ah, yes |
| 17:08.22 | annma | Beineri: a konstruct channel is needed |
| 17:08.33 | Beineri | annma: people reading the README are needed |
| 17:08.38 | annma | lol |
| 17:08.38 | SteamedPenguin | heh |
| 17:08.40 | annma | :) |
| 17:08.43 | SteamedPenguin | annma: I am looking into it |
| 17:08.44 | annma | agree |
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| 17:09.06 | SlackUX | kde 3.4 is no different to RC1, oh well, still great release |
| 17:09.17 | annma | SlackUX: well, bug fixes |
| 17:09.26 | SlackUX | I assumed :-) |
| 17:09.43 | annma | but no new features, no |
| 17:09.54 | SlackUX | but the kmenu bug is stilll there |
| 17:09.59 | m-e-t | annma: /usr/qt/3 |
| 17:10.09 | Beineri | annma: and about "compiling by hand lets you install where you want" - guess what the "prefix" configuration option in README is good for |
| 17:10.16 | DeuX | KMenu bug ??? |
| 17:10.19 | Beineri | s/option/option described/ |
| 17:10.24 | SlackUX | when you use kmenu for the first time |
| 17:10.35 | SlackUX | is draws to the right of the screen |
| 17:10.41 | SlackUX | it* |
| 17:10.59 | annma | Beineri: I just said that as information |
| 17:10.59 | DeuX | not happening here |
| 17:11.02 | m-e-t | annma: qt is really in there |
| 17:11.08 | DeuX | SlackUX: at least it's not happening to me since rc1 |
| 17:11.17 | Beineri | annma: sounded more like campaigning against Konstruct |
| 17:11.19 | annma | m-e-t: so what is your problem? |
| 17:11.22 | SlackUX | damn, strange that then |
| 17:11.29 | annma | Beineri: no! of course not! |
| 17:11.35 | DeuX | it might be distro related... |
| 17:11.49 | annma | Beineri: I try to help with konstruct the much I can |
| 17:11.49 | DeuX | well... let's see what others have to say about it |
| 17:11.59 | m-e-t | annma: well, konstruct doesn't seem to believe $QTDIR |
| 17:12.02 | Beineri | ok, now we touched the first and the second option described under "Configuration" in the README. Let me look what's the third one... |
| 17:12.15 | annma | Beineri: see what m-e-t said |
| 17:12.22 | annma | m-e-t: what error? |
| 17:12.30 | Beineri | Konstruct doesn't use a set QTDIR by default |
| 17:12.35 | m-e-t | annma: same as above |
| 17:12.42 | m-e-t | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 17:12.45 | annma | I did nto see above, retell |
| 17:13.03 | DeuX | m-e-t... your qt and qt-devels are installed ? |
| 17:13.04 | annma | m-e-t: look in config.log where it looks |
| 17:13.11 | DeuX | I mean qt-devels |
| 17:13.19 | Beineri | m-e-t: do you try with or without HAVE_QT_3_3_INSTALLED set? |
| 17:13.23 | annma | DeuX: presumably as it's qt from Gentoo |
| 17:13.44 | DeuX | well... DeuX didn't play with gentoo... so I have 0 idea :) |
| 17:14.11 | annma | DeuX: Gentoo is a compilation distro so all packages have devel files |
| 17:14.19 | m-e-t | yes |
| 17:14.28 | m-e-t | what does Beineri mean? |
| 17:14.32 | annma | m-e-t: with or without? |
| 17:14.33 | SlackUX | kde seems to be faster with CXXFLAGS optimized for athlon-xp |
| 17:14.43 | Beineri | m-e-t: you read the README, you know about gar.conf.mk ? |
| 17:14.44 | annma | m-e-t: he means you have to read the README |
| 17:14.48 | SlackUX | :-) |
| 17:14.49 | m-e-t | Beineri: yes |
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| 17:14.56 | Beineri | m-e-t: do you try with or without HAVE_QT_3_3_INSTALLED set? |
| 17:15.17 | m-e-t | gnarr... |
| 17:15.23 | m-e-t | without, i must confess |
| 17:15.46 | Beineri | then Konstruct should install its own Qt |
| 17:15.49 | m-e-t | i activated it |
| 17:16.18 | SlackUX | glad* |
| 17:18.50 | Beineri | This would require them to know about it and to read the README. |
| 17:19.03 | Beineri | (if they don't know that they have to do it) |
| 17:19.11 | annma | :) |
| 17:19.19 | annma | good idea |
| 17:19.24 | m-e-t | lol |
| 17:19.42 | Beineri | annma: really? I bet it would cause a flood of "Konstruct is broken" bug reports. |
| 17:19.46 | m-e-t | i really did with the unstable version some weeks ago |
| 17:19.47 | annma | lol |
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| 17:20.02 | annma | we'll close the reports as INVALID |
| 17:20.08 | r00tsh3ll | konstruct is too r0x! :-p |
| 17:20.15 | omnistegan | hey guys I was trying to compile kde 3.4 and got this error: http://pastebin.com/259155 |
| 17:20.24 | r00tsh3ll | got to compile 3.4 final with it now |
| 17:20.34 | annma | omnistegan: compiling how? |
| 17:20.42 | omnistegan | using konstruct |
| 17:21.13 | Beineri | omnistegan: install xorg-x11-devel or xfree86-devel |
| 17:21.56 | Beineri | or whatever package of your distro contains imake |
| 17:22.43 | omnistegan | use that command in stead of "cd meta/kde;make install"? |
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| 17:23.11 | SlackUX | Any you people hear about nerolinux? lol |
| 17:23.37 | gyo | oh yes |
| 17:23.38 | sredna | SlackUX: I heard that it sucks badly |
| 17:23.51 | sredna | Lucky for me, I have k3b :) |
| 17:24.06 | SlackUX | I wouldn't touch it with my dads bargepoll |
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| 17:24.43 | SlackUX | Why indeed would you want that over k3b |
| 17:24.58 | omnistegan | Beineri: use that command in stead of "cd meta/kde;make install"? |
| 17:25.43 | m-e-t | does anyone know how long meta/everything takes? |
| 17:26.00 | lippel | hmm, are gentoo servers hitten by the kde-updating crowd? |
| 17:26.04 | SlackUX | sredna: it even looks like the windows version, which is yuck |
| 17:27.00 | Beineri | omnistegan: what command? |
| 17:27.02 | r00tsh3ll | m-e-t: depends of ur computer.. |
| 17:27.12 | m-e-t | 1,5 ghz p4 |
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| 17:27.27 | omnistegan | i used: cd meta/kde;make install |
| 17:27.43 | Beineri | omnistegan: I told you no command |
| 17:27.45 | r00tsh3ll | and ur connection speed do download the tarballs m-e-t |
| 17:27.58 | m-e-t | DSL |
| 17:28.02 | sredna | SlackUX: I haven't had windows in this century, I never tried it on windows :^) |
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| 17:28.05 | Beineri | omnistegan: you're missing development packages on your system apparently |
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| 17:28.29 | r00tsh3ll | m-e-t: i've a athlon xp 1.7 and it took almost 1 hour.. |
| 17:28.46 | SlackUX | sredna: I cannot remember the last time I had to load it, (wife likes to play RCT3) |
| 17:28.46 | omnistegan | Beineri: I just installed slackware 10.1, is there easy access to these anywhere? |
| 17:29.00 | m-e-t | r00tsh3ll: one hour for meta/everything??? |
| 17:29.29 | Beineri | omnistegan: try the Slackware repository? :-) |
| 17:29.46 | r00tsh3ll | ya this time just to compile.. after download... |
| 17:29.51 | Beineri | m-e-t: maybe a "0" missing behind the "1" ;-) |
| 17:30.00 | m-e-t | i assume so... |
| 17:30.23 | omnistegan | does that error mentions which one(s) specifically I was missing? I couldnt see anything |
| 17:30.45 | Beineri | omnistegan: http://www.slackware.org/pb/searchfile.php?v=10.1&c=slackware&string=imake&w=on |
| 17:30.51 | Beineri | omnistegan: I told you which one was missing |
| 17:30.57 | r00tsh3ll | Beineri: how long took for u? and which processor do u have? just wonderinfgg.. |
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| 17:31.07 | SlackUX | Is it me or is the text wraping round the picture as you move the picture in kword just damn good! |
| 17:31.11 | omnistegan | sorry, its early, thanks very much |
| 17:31.41 | Beineri | r00tsh3ll: can't remember, usually do it only incrementally and most times on slow laptop (hdd) |
| 17:31.48 | jeroenvrp | hil all |
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| 17:32.18 | swatch123 | Is salckware 10 easier to usr than uthers? |
| 17:32.19 | jeroenvrp | strange things with Kontact |
| 17:32.42 | jeroenvrp | crashes, but when I run it from another user on the same machine, no problems |
| 17:33.06 | annma | jeroenvrp: run it from konsole to se why it crashes |
| 17:33.19 | jeroenvrp | I deleted all kontact related files under .kde/share/config and .kde/share/apps |
| 17:33.27 | jeroenvrp | annma: OK lets try that |
| 17:33.37 | tsb | Anyone here on Gentoo? I just emerged kdebase-meta, which went fine. Trying to emerge something else, say kdepim, requires kdebase, which is blocked my my metapackage, so I can't get it... Similar for other ebuilds. Do I have to inject, or what? Seems a simple emerge kde would be easier.. |
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| 17:33.42 | Flendor | Good evening. |
| 17:34.03 | annma | tsb: and why emerge kde does not work? |
| 17:34.12 | SteamedPenguin | tsb: you are trying to emerge KDE 3.4 ? |
| 17:34.15 | jeroenvrp | *** KMail got signal 11 (Crashing) |
| 17:34.16 | jeroenvrp | KCrash: Application 'kontact' crashing... |
| 17:34.30 | tsb | SteamedPenguin, yes, I emerge kdebase-meta-3.4.0, and this worked fine |
| 17:34.31 | annma | jeroenvrp: so it's KMail that's crashing |
| 17:34.32 | Flendor | :D Hello Linux mama! |
| 17:34.40 | jeroenvrp | KMail standalone and all other kontact-apps standalone are working great |
| 17:34.42 | annma | hi Flendor |
| 17:35.05 | tsb | SteamedPenguin, but If I try to emerge something else now, say kdepim or kdemultimedia, I get for instance.. (last for lines following:) |
| 17:35.12 | tsb | [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdm-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-3.4.0) |
| 17:35.12 | tsb | [blocks B ] =kde-base/libkonq-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-3.4.0) |
| 17:35.12 | tsb | [ebuild N ] kde-base/kdebase-3.4.0 |
| 17:35.12 | tsb | [ebuild N ] kde-base/kdemultimedia-3.4.0 |
| 17:35.30 | tsb | All the kde-base packages are unmasked.. |
| 17:36.06 | annma | Gentoo is a sort of Carnival if I get it |
| 17:36.14 | omnistegan | hmm, i installed x11-devel-6.8.1-i486-3.tgz but I still got the same error, did i overlook something? |
| 17:36.14 | annma | some are masked, other not |
| 17:36.25 | SteamedPenguin | tsb: are you using /etc/portage/package.unmask and .keywords ? |
| 17:36.27 | tsb | So I'm thinking I *could* just inject kdebase, but this seems too hackish to be the best solution for this.. |
| 17:36.33 | tsb | SteamedPenguin, indeed |
| 17:36.45 | tsb | i have like all 306 packages or whatever in there |
| 17:36.59 | jeroenvrp | indeed I can click on all teh components, but when I click Mail, Kontact crashes when I press a random other component |
| 17:37.05 | SteamedPenguin | tsb: sweet, that makes it easy. paste me the relevent lines for kdebase from both those |
| 17:37.42 | SteamedPenguin | tsb: don't jump to conclusions. injecting stuff willynilly just makes it less likely to track down the real issue |
| 17:38.03 | tsb | Excacly, which is why I haven't done it and came here to whine instead. :=) |
| 17:38.04 | SteamedPenguin | annma: that's because they are not 'stable' yet |
| 17:38.07 | omnistegan | Beineri: hmm, i installed x11-devel-6.8.1-i486-3.tgz but I still got the same error, did i overlook something? |
| 17:38.16 | annma | not 'stable' / |
| 17:38.19 | Beineri | omnistegan: can you run imake and xmkmf? |
| 17:38.21 | annma | why not? |
| 17:38.27 | annma | SteamedPenguin: what do they need? |
| 17:38.38 | omnistegan | imake: command not found |
| 17:39.27 | Beineri | omnistegan: does /usr/X11R6/bin/imake exist? |
| 17:39.53 | omnistegan | no |
| 17:40.03 | SteamedPenguin | annma: I don't know what they need. It is a process similar to debian where packages and software gets tested for stability. So that if a user wants to install a stable system gentoo has some guarantee of being able to say you'll have a stable system. |
| 17:40.56 | Beineri | omnistegan: according to the link I posted it should be even in the x11-6.8.1-i486-3 package - do you have an X-server installed? ;-) |
| 17:41.09 | tsb | SteamedPenguin, it is explained here, actually; http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2201470.html#2201470 |
| 17:41.14 | omnistegan | Beineri: sorry, i guess it does |
| 17:41.32 | annma | SteamedPenguin: except debian packages are not source so one can understand they need testing |
| 17:41.48 | annma | in Gentoo however the source as shipped by KDE is used |
| 17:41.54 | Beineri | omnistegan: and /usr/X11R6/bin/xmkmf also doesn't exist? |
| 17:42.35 | SteamedPenguin | annma: sometimes gentoo provides patches for some archs or some compiler combos. |
| 17:42.37 | omnistegan | Beineri: they both do exist |
| 17:43.05 | annma | oatches in the source? |
| 17:43.06 | Beineri | omnistegan: what now? do you have /usr/X11R6/bin in your PATH? |
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| 17:43.23 | omnistegan | Beineri: for the install? |
| 17:43.24 | SteamedPenguin | annma: no, sources are virgin, |
| 17:43.29 | Beineri | omnistegan: always |
| 17:43.33 | tzanger | is there a way I can set a passive popup via DCOP? |
| 17:43.40 | tzanger | I'm scanning through kdcop but nothing's coming out at me |
| 17:43.42 | SteamedPenguin | annma: but as you emerge things get patched |
| 17:43.44 | omnistegan | Beineri: I don't know how, I'm not very familiar with PATH |
| 17:43.46 | Beineri | nobody wants to miss xeyes ;-) |
| 17:44.05 | Beineri | omnistegan: you're sure Slackware and compiling from source is the right thing for you? |
| 17:44.11 | tsb | SteamedPenguin, was that enough? |
| 17:44.23 | SteamedPenguin | tsb: ok, hold on: >=kde-base/noatun-3.4.0_beta1 for package.unmask |
| 17:44.27 | omnistegan | Beineri, how else should i do this? |
| 17:44.36 | omnistegan | Beineri, i couldnt find a package |
| 17:44.39 | Beineri | omnistegan: use a newbie distribution, use binary packages |
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| 17:45.19 | omnistegan | Beineri, you calling me a newbie? sheesh, i may be an idiot but i'm not new to linux |
| 17:45.22 | jaybuffet | stupid question... where do i go to change the color of the buttons in the taskbar ? |
| 17:45.45 | sredna | Does anybody here know which kind of server is required to publish free/busy times with korganizer? |
| 17:45.50 | SteamedPenguin | annma: mind you, I rarely see KDE patched in gentoo unless it is security fixes or arch fixes. |
| 17:45.59 | r00tsh3ll | jaybuffet: panel config?! |
| 17:46.00 | Beineri | omnistegan: how it's possible that you don't know how to add an application path to your PATH? |
| 17:46.34 | omnistegan | Beineri, I've never done it before? Nobody ever told me how, how about you be the first :p |
| 17:46.34 | tsb | SteamedPenguin, all the apps in packes.unmask are listed without any comparison-operator though.. is that okay? |
| 17:46.42 | tsb | SteamedPenguin, yeah? didn't change anything.. |
| 17:47.28 | tzanger | omnistegan: I don't think that's what he was saying |
| 17:47.36 | jeroenvrp | so nobody can help me with my kontact crash |
| 17:47.37 | jeroenvrp | ok |
| 17:47.41 | jeroenvrp | another 3.4 problem |
| 17:47.54 | annma | so SteamedPenguin the reason for the 3.4 not being stable is quite difficult to understand |
| 17:48.00 | Beineri | omnistegan: I would prefer someone else does it, like in #slackware-newbies (no, this is not distribution-specific) |
| 17:48.06 | annma | except Gentoo scripts are not stable |
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| 17:49.47 | jeroenvrp | when using knewstuff it syas "error parsing providers list" |
| 17:50.11 | annma | jeroenvrp: what app? |
| 17:50.36 | SteamedPenguin | annma: jesus, are you just trying to be antagonistic? |
| 17:50.46 | jeroenvrp | annma: everwhere where it is used, example when trying to get backgrounds |
| 17:50.54 | annma | SteamedPenguin: I am trying to understand Gentoo |
| 17:51.07 | SteamedPenguin | annma: just because project A says 'stable' doesn't mean Gentoo has to jump and say stable. |
| 17:51.18 | annma | jeroenvrp: well it's not possible everywhere |
| 17:51.28 | annma | SteamedPenguin: I thought so, yes |
| 17:51.31 | jeroenvrp | annma: in KDE 3.4 RC1 it was possible |
| 17:51.42 | annma | as Gentoo use stable sources from project A |
| 17:51.51 | jaybuffet | r00tsh3ll: I'm looking under Configure Panel - - Appearance.. can't find it.. am i blind? |
| 17:51.57 | Beineri | jeroenvrp: known problem |
| 17:51.59 | annma | jeroenvrp: each app has a different provider file |
| 17:52.13 | annma | Beineri: what do you mean? |
| 17:52.19 | annma | how is it known? |
| 17:52.25 | SteamedPenguin | annma: but gentoo only has project A's word for it. |
| 17:52.35 | annma | isn;t that enough? |
| 17:52.40 | tsb | eeh |
| 17:52.41 | Beineri | annma: a bugs.kde.org report? I guess something broke when kde-look.org got upgraded |
| 17:52.45 | tsb | so if I release some application |
| 17:52.50 | tsb | and tell gentoo, hey listen, this is stable |
| 17:53.00 | annma | Beineri: I am asking only kde=look or all knewstuff? |
| 17:53.01 | tsb | they should implement it and mark it stable RIGHT AWAY? |
| 17:53.01 | jeroenvrp | Beineri: ok in Quanta it is possible |
| 17:53.11 | annma | yes |
| 17:53.17 | tsb | What if I fucked up and theres 3 major memoryleaks in it, making the whole system unstable? |
| 17:53.22 | annma | why not? as they don't change the sources |
| 17:53.27 | jeroenvrp | but why did it work in RC1 and not now |
| 17:53.32 | annma | tsb: they never changed the sources |
| 17:53.45 | Beineri | jeroenvrp: repeat, kde-look.org got upgraded |
| 17:53.48 | annma | jeroenvrp: so it's just the wallpapers, right? |
| 17:54.10 | tsb | But my point is that just because *I* say my application is stable, doesn't mean it is! |
| 17:54.14 | annma | tsb: how will they fix the mem leak? |
| 17:54.25 | tsb | And certainly not on every distro avaliable |
| 17:54.31 | annma | tsb: yeah but they devclare it stable a few days after anyway |
| 17:54.36 | tsb | they *won't*, but they won't mark it stable, either |
| 17:54.37 | tsb | see? |
| 17:54.39 | SteamedPenguin | annma: maybe they won't fix the mem-leak, but then they won't mark it as stable. |
| 17:54.44 | tsb | jesus.. |
| 17:54.45 | annma | either it is from the start or it's not |
| 17:55.05 | tsb | damn annma, go back to windows.. :=) |
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| 17:55.17 | tsb | It's unstable enough for you, eviudently. :) |
| 17:55.19 | annma | SteamedPenguin: yeah, I agree it can be unstable, my point is it always go to stable in the end |
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| 17:55.22 | jeroenvrp | yes via backgrounds under look and feel and under kdm-config |
| 17:55.26 | cobra_ | hello |
| 17:55.44 | annma | tsb: I am a kde developer that's why I ask, as I know source code and tarballs |
| 17:56.00 | annma | jeroenvrp: other KNewStuff work OK, right? |
| 17:56.11 | jeroenvrp | annma: which ones, quanta is ok |
| 17:56.16 | cobra_ | excuse me, with xbindkeys or stuff like that, which command shoud i bind for having my kdemenu who appear when i touch the right key ? |
| 17:56.17 | SteamedPenguin | annma: in any case, the split ebuild thing makes things interesting. the gentoo KDE devs want to make sure that everything works right. So they mask those packages until they are satisfied. |
| 17:56.19 | annma | jeroenvrp: the provider.xml file on kde-look server got messed |
| 17:56.30 | jeroenvrp | annma: ok, so its an external problem |
| 17:56.35 | annma | yes |
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| 17:56.41 | SteamedPenguin | annma: regular users still install the straight forward monolithic KDE builds. |
| 17:56.55 | annma | SteamedPenguin: and that's in stable? |
| 17:57.02 | jeroenvrp | annma: knewstuff in korganizer works |
| 17:57.06 | sredna | Does anybody here know which kind of server is required to publish free/busy times with korganizer? |
| 17:57.11 | jeroenvrp | so it seems to be the backgrounds |
| 17:57.21 | annma | jeroenvrp: ok then, it's just kde-look file who got messed |
| 17:57.33 | SteamedPenguin | annma: masked packages are considered 'for development, risky, unstable, for testing' |
| 17:57.34 | jeroenvrp | ok so I wait when that is fixed |
| 17:57.41 | tsb | annma, but a product *alwaus* contains one bug or another. Don't you agree that even if Project A sais something is stable, perhaps the Google-computers should wait a while to implement it, compared to some lone desktop-user? yes? why? becuase there's the chance it contains bugs even though it was marked stable! |
| 17:57.41 | jeroenvrp | its not a major issue for me |
| 17:57.42 | annma | tsb: KDE is unstable for me? |
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| 17:57.46 | jeroenvrp | kontact is |
| 17:58.04 | annma | tsb: I am saying exactly the contrary |
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| 17:58.22 | tsb | in that context, google would probably wait a lot more than gentoo will (probably just a few weeks) |
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| 17:58.43 | annma | tsb: but stable/unstable has a meaning ONLY if things are fixed |
| 17:58.44 | SteamedPenguin | annma: well right now KDE packages for 3.4 are marked '~arch' where arch is x86,ppc, etc etc |
| 17:59.13 | annma | what's the point of marking it unstable and then stable in a few days without any changes to the sources? |
| 17:59.15 | SteamedPenguin | annma: that means new packages, unstable, let them stabilize and move to 'stable' |
| 17:59.28 | annma | stabilize, yes, how ? |
| 17:59.28 | SteamedPenguin | annma: you see if there are issue |
| 17:59.35 | annma | you see |
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| 17:59.44 | SteamedPenguin | if there are issue with the sources they stay unstable |
| 18:00.10 | annma | how do they see that, I wonder |
| 18:00.22 | SteamedPenguin | well, bug reports |
| 18:00.36 | SteamedPenguin | how do KDE developers know about problems with kdebase ? |
| 18:00.50 | annma | they test the tarballs |
| 18:00.56 | annma | the release tarballs |
| 18:01.01 | tsb | annma, if the gentoo-maintainers don't get any bugreports for a while, they move it to stable, if they do, they wait for a fix before marking it. see? |
| 18:01.03 | annma | they patch the code then |
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| 18:01.19 | annma | and if they get bug reports? |
| 18:01.58 | cobra_ | hello excuse me ... i wish i know what command write to make a key binding on "kde menu" (the K in the down-left" of the screen |
| 18:02.03 | cobra_ | what command write please |
| 18:02.10 | tsb | annma, if they get bugreports they wait for someone to fix it |
| 18:02.22 | tsb | if its kde-related, the kde-people.. |
| 18:02.26 | SteamedPenguin | annma: then they evaluate the bug report. is it good, is it replicable, is it valid, what arch. |
| 18:02.53 | annma | so if kde moves to stable and a security issue is discovered |
| 18:02.59 | annma | what happens? |
| 18:03.07 | SlackUX | cobra_: it's all in the kcontrol center, keyboard bindings |
| 18:03.09 | annma | they move it back to unstable? |
| 18:03.10 | CruX_ | how can i properly set include path in kdevelop for project ? |
| 18:03.23 | cobra_ | ok; thx :) |
| 18:03.26 | kayali | annma: no. they patch it and keep in in stable |
| 18:03.29 | tsb | annma, not unless it's really serious, but kde is such a huge beast, that they would rather get a fix out for it |
| 18:03.32 | SteamedPenguin | annma: then a new ebuild is created. |
| 18:03.35 | SlackUX | :-) |
| 18:03.36 | annma | they patch kde sources? |
| 18:03.41 | SteamedPenguin | annma: kdefee-3.4.0-r1 |
| 18:03.58 | kayali | annma: yes. look for instance, kdelibs-3.3.2-r7 (notice the 7) |
| 18:04.00 | tsb | annma, but if it was a small app, they could move the version back to unstable again, and the next sync with a client would downgrade the package, yes |
| 18:04.29 | tsb | this would be pretty silly with kde though, as it takes *hours* to install :) |
| 18:04.30 | kayali | annma: all this with official patches most of the time |
| 18:04.34 | jeroenvrp | annma: when moving kmailrc out off the way kontact is not crashing |
| 18:04.36 | annma | god, I have to go |
| 18:04.51 | annma | jeroenvrp: so I told you |
| 18:05.08 | annma | bye all, sorry to discontinue this nice konversation |
| 18:05.09 | jeroenvrp | yes but now I have to reconfigure again |
| 18:05.10 | SteamedPenguin | annma: this is standard distro stuff, what is so hard about it? |
| 18:05.12 | annma | bye |
| 18:05.15 | jeroenvrp | and that is wrong |
| 18:05.17 | SteamedPenguin | see ya |
| 18:05.26 | jeroenvrp | bye annma |
| 18:05.27 | annma | SteamedPenguin: no, it's about kde sources versus gentoo |
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| 18:05.37 | annma | not about rps |
| 18:05.37 | ciga | hi |
| 18:05.40 | annma | rpms |
| 18:05.42 | annma | bye |
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| 18:05.53 | SteamedPenguin | oooh |
| 18:05.59 | jeroenvrp | so it seems when you have an old kde-configuration you get in troubles |
| 18:06.07 | jeroenvrp | and that is a very bad thing |
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| 18:06.35 | SteamedPenguin | kde sources versus gentoo! the trillah in Compilah. Showdown in Tuebingen! |
| 18:06.35 | jaybuffet | is there a way to have transparency on the panel and auto hiding... so when the panel is on top of applications whats underneath is visible and not the desktop? |
| 18:06.41 | kayali | anyway, I still wonder why gentoo slots kde releases... |
| 18:07.18 | SlackUX | jaybuffet: you mean true transparency? |
| 18:07.22 | jaybuffet | yeah |
| 18:07.43 | SlackUX | I think the kicker is translocent |
| 18:07.52 | SlackUX | only |
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| 18:08.25 | SlackUX | kcompmgr or xcompmgr should do it |
| 18:08.54 | sredna | I found an answer by trying: A ftp server :o |
| 18:08.56 | SlackUX | transset 0.7 and then point it to the kickerbar |
| 18:09.17 | jaybuffet | ok |
| 18:09.22 | jaybuffet | ill try that |
| 18:09.41 | SlackUX | use xcompmgr to do it |
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| 18:09.58 | SlackUX | it's more stable |
| 18:10.03 | jaybuffet | ok ill try that :-] |
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| 18:10.31 | SlackUX | you know how to use it? |
| 18:10.39 | jaybuffet | nope |
| 18:10.47 | jaybuffet | but google helps right :-) |
| 18:11.05 | SlackUX | have you got xorg 6.8.1? |
| 18:11.06 | jeroenvrp | Kontact problem found |
| 18:11.21 | jeroenvrp | when disabling bogofilter it works |
| 18:11.44 | SlackUX | jaybuffet: have you a nvidia card? |
| 18:11.53 | jaybuffet | SlackUX: nope |
| 18:12.06 | SlackUX | damn, thats a same |
| 18:12.10 | bushwakko | is it possible to get an ebuilde for 3.4 for the kde improvements patch? |
| 18:12.11 | jaybuffet | SlackUX: a fat Monster Fusion 16mb card |
| 18:12.15 | SlackUX | shame* |
| 18:12.17 | bushwakko | the rubberband selector adn stuff |
| 18:12.40 | SlackUX | xcompmgr does shadows as well |
| 18:13.39 | SlackUX | but you need render acceleration for it to be fast |
| 18:14.31 | Blissex | SlackUX: one needs COMPOSITE and RENDER acceleration for it to be _usable_... |
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| 18:15.33 | cobra_ | hi |
| 18:15.36 | SlackUX | well yes but you can just enable the transet without the shadows surely? |
| 18:15.38 | jaybuffet | yeah.. i dont think my little pos can handle it |
| 18:15.43 | cobra_ | excuse me... even in kcontrol |
| 18:16.17 | cobra_ | i don't find the command that make "K_menu" open on the left down of the kde desktop |
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| 18:16.38 | SlackUX | cobra_: then make one |
| 18:16.45 | cobra_ | how ? |
| 18:16.56 | cobra_ | i would like to know |
| 18:17.00 | SlackUX | left down? |
| 18:17.00 | cobra_ | what is the command |
| 18:17.06 | cobra_ | that the system launck |
| 18:17.24 | cobra_ | when i click on the "K" of down-left on the screen |
| 18:18.09 | cobra_ | me to... |
| 18:18.18 | cobra_ | would you like a screenshot ? |
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| 18:18.26 | chavo | cobra_, dcop kicker kicker popupKMenu |
| 18:18.34 | SlackUX | I dont quiet understand what your wanting to do, I assumed you want the kmenu to be binded to a key? |
| 18:18.39 | cobra_ | chavo, i try |
| 18:19.25 | SlackUX | yes a screen shot would be good |
| 18:19.37 | chavo | cobra_, sorry it's dcop kicker kicker popupKMenu 0,0 |
| 18:20.01 | chavo | you need to give it coordinates, 0,0 will pop it up at the mouse pointer |
| 18:20.07 | SlackUX | sounds like I got the wrong end of the stick |
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| 18:20.46 | njaard | hello |
| 18:20.50 | SlackUX | ahhh, your a lazy one :-) |
| 18:21.11 | njaard | how'd you know? we've not even met yet? |
| 18:21.22 | SlackUX | lol, not you |
| 18:22.17 | t35t0r | does anyone in here use kplayer? how do i save a playlist? and also is it possible to get the name of what is currently playing on a shoutcast station when i use the pls/m3u file from it? |
| 18:22.18 | cobra_ | no, it does'nt seems to work... in my ~/.lineak/lineakd.conf |
| 18:22.21 | cobra_ | iwrote : |
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| 18:22.27 | jeroenvrp | Bogofilter bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97230 |
| 18:22.33 | cobra_ | Custom1 = "dcop kicker kicker popupKMenu 0,0" |
| 18:22.48 | cobra_ | (when i put Custom1 = "mozilla-firefox" |
| 18:22.53 | t35t0r | i'm ready to switch from xmms ..found out i could drag/drop url from konq into kplayer ..try making playlists with xmms its hell |
| 18:22.53 | cobra_ | it launch firefox |
| 18:23.34 | SlackUX | people still using xmms? |
| 18:23.38 | SlackUX | wow |
| 18:23.45 | t35t0r | xmms is broken in gentoo atm |
| 18:23.49 | t35t0r | well with +flac |
| 18:23.52 | Panzerboy | hey all |
| 18:24.00 | Panzerboy | just a quick question |
| 18:24.12 | Panzerboy | is it possible to build kde cvs with konstruct? |
| 18:24.23 | Panzerboy | as i understand from the web page, it's only for releases |
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| 18:25.02 | SlackUX | get beep-media-player or amarok |
| 18:25.07 | SlackUX | :-) |
| 18:25.09 | Panzerboy | amarok rocks |
| 18:25.10 | Panzerboy | :) |
| 18:25.21 | Panzerboy | i hope it will be in kde in 3.5 or 4.0 |
| 18:25.31 | chavo | juk is nice if you just want to listen to music |
| 18:25.31 | Panzerboy | the default audio player |
| 18:25.34 | SlackUX | indeed it does |
| 18:25.43 | SlackUX | it owns all of us |
| 18:25.50 | Panzerboy | juk it's ok |
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| 18:26.04 | _Diavolo | hello |
| 18:26.07 | Panzerboy | i don't know though which one is more resource intensive |
| 18:26.17 | _Diavolo | i have just emerged kde but it does not start, nothing happens after login |
| 18:26.22 | _Diavolo | the whole computer freezes |
| 18:26.23 | SlackUX | amarok is the god of players |
| 18:26.25 | cobra_ | SlackUX, chavo .... wget http://flux.spir.ath.cx/pb.jpg |
| 18:26.31 | chavo | amarok is a little heavier, but that's not important to me |
| 18:26.41 | cobra_ | the Kmenu... |
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| 18:26.51 | Panzerboy | Diavolos: did you have kde before? |
| 18:26.54 | Diavolos | yes |
| 18:26.56 | chavo | I just don't like amarok's interface |
| 18:26.56 | Diavolos | kde 3.3.2 |
| 18:27.06 | Panzerboy | maybe there's something b0rked in your .kde |
| 18:27.15 | Panzerboy | move your .kde |
| 18:27.16 | Diavolos | it links on .kde3.4 |
| 18:27.19 | Panzerboy | and start with a fresh one |
| 18:27.20 | Panzerboy | oh |
| 18:27.25 | Panzerboy | so it's a fresh one |
| 18:27.29 | Panzerboy | one more thing |
| 18:27.41 | Panzerboy | are you starting with kdm or startx> |
| 18:27.42 | Panzerboy | ? |
| 18:27.44 | Diavolos | i reemerged kdelibs and kdebase |
| 18:27.49 | Diavolos | kdm Panzerboy |
| 18:27.58 | SlackUX | cobra_: what am I looking at? |
| 18:27.58 | chavo | cobra_, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 18:27.59 | Panzerboy | because AFAIK there is a problem with kdm |
| 18:28.03 | Diavolos | ah |
| 18:28.07 | Panzerboy | try starting with startx |
| 18:28.08 | Diavolos | i will try startx |
| 18:28.09 | Diavolos | ok |
| 18:28.11 | Panzerboy | and see what's happening |
| 18:28.24 | cobra_ | to open the kmenu (in left down) with a key |
| 18:28.31 | Diavolos | ah now i see the setup |
| 18:28.34 | cobra_ | and not by click with my mouse on it |
| 18:28.49 | chavo | cobra_, alt-F1 will open it |
| 18:29.02 | cobra_ | and your command : dcop kicker kicker.... 0,0 doesn't seems to work |
| 18:29.16 | Panzerboy | chavo: well, for me, it doesn't |
| 18:29.28 | cobra_ | no, it doen't |
| 18:29.29 | SlackUX | you mean like the kicker hiding? |
| 18:29.30 | Diavolos | Panzerboy: it did not help :( |
| 18:29.39 | Diavolos | total freeze |
| 18:29.44 | Diavolos | I ca't even change on the console |
| 18:30.20 | SlackUX | later all |
| 18:30.47 | Panzerboy | Diavolos: strange |
| 18:30.51 | DeuX | jeroenvrp: you can get your wallpaper now :) |
| 18:30.54 | Diavolos | :( |
| 18:30.58 | Panzerboy | Diavolos: check the gentoo forums |
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| 18:31.05 | Panzerboy | i'm using debian |
| 18:31.08 | jeroenvrp | DeuX: Lets see |
| 18:31.10 | DeuX | ping jeroenvrp... u there ? |
| 18:31.30 | ra21vi_ | hello ppl, i m using Gentoo, and KDE-3.3.2-r1 |
| 18:31.40 | jeroenvrp | DeuX: It works, great - Thanks! |
| 18:31.54 | DeuX | KDE teams are great :) |
| 18:32.33 | Diavolos | please help |
| 18:32.42 | ra21vi_ | ßÝ[B[A |
| 18:32.49 | ra21vi_ | i want sdsda12345llllllsdsdksdlassorry |
| 18:33.02 | ra21vi_ | sorry |
| 18:33.10 | ra21vi_ | keyboard problem. :( |
| 18:33.23 | Panzerboy | cobra_: do you still need help opening the K Menu from a shortcut? |
| 18:33.25 | m-e-t | lol |
| 18:33.31 | jeroenvrp | there seems to be a big problem with bogofilter and kontact as I say earlier |
| 18:33.32 | cobra_ | Panzerboy, yes |
| 18:33.46 | ra21vi_ | i have many things to learn from u ppl, in KDE. |
| 18:33.46 | Panzerboy | cobra_: then do like this |
| 18:33.51 | Panzerboy | cobra_: open control center |
| 18:34.02 | cobra_ | ok |
| 18:34.08 | jeroenvrp | is there another anti-spam tool? Not spam-assasin, because it freezes kmail as you all know :-( |
| 18:34.20 | ra21vi_ | 1. How to change kde-panel-menu icon and put some text |
| 18:34.22 | Panzerboy | cobra_: go to Regional & Accessibility |
| 18:34.27 | Panzerboy | cobra_: then KHotKeys |
| 18:34.47 | cobra_ | ok |
| 18:34.55 | Diavolos | kde 3.4 freezes my system when starting |
| 18:34.59 | ra21vi_ | 1. How to change kde-panel-menu icon and put some text? |
| 18:35.01 | Panzerboy | cobra_: then click new action |
| 18:35.12 | Panzerboy | cobra_: give it a name, like "Open K Menu" |
| 18:35.13 | ra21vi_ | any one please help mr |
| 18:35.21 | cobra_ | 'k |
| 18:35.54 | Panzerboy | cobra_: on tab General, choose Keyboard Shortcut -> DCOP Call (simple) |
| 18:36.22 | cobra_ | ok |
| 18:36.29 | Panzerboy | cobra_: then click on the tab DCOP Call Settings |
| 18:37.05 | cobra_ | ok |
| 18:37.08 | Panzerboy | cobra_: there put these: Remote Application: kicker, Remote object: kicker, called function: showKMenu() |
| 18:37.23 | Panzerboy | cobra_: you can click on Try button and see if the menu appears |
| 18:37.37 | cobra_ | `k |
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| 18:37.52 | Panzerboy | cobra_: then go to the tab Keyboard Shortcut |
| 18:38.02 | Panzerboy | cobra_: click on that button then press the shortcut you want |
| 18:38.13 | Panzerboy | cobra_: (i choose Win+Q) |
| 18:38.20 | Panzerboy | cobra_: then click Apply |
| 18:38.24 | Panzerboy | cobra_: and voila |
| 18:38.30 | Panzerboy | cobra_: it should work |
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| 18:40.00 | cobra_ | Panzerboy, the "try" work, i applied, it doesn't work yet |
| 18:40.03 | cobra_ | i dellog |
| 18:40.07 | cobra_ | and i come back |
| 18:40.16 | cobra_ | it should be good |
| 18:40.17 | ra21vi_ | Panzerboy: can u help me in changing kpanel pic and put some text |
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| 18:40.25 | Panzerboy | cobra_: strange, for me it worked the first time |
| 18:40.35 | Panzerboy | ra21vi_: nope, sorry |
| 18:40.50 | spiral | hi |
| 18:41.03 | Diavolos | please help me |
| 18:41.04 | ra21vi_ | Panzerboy: ok, another one, using Win key to open kmenu |
| 18:41.05 | Diavolos | kde 3.4 freezes my system when starting |
| 18:41.13 | Diavolos | i don't even see the splash screen |
| 18:41.20 | Panzerboy | ra21vi_: read what i wrote for cobra_ |
| 18:41.24 | Panzerboy | i am not going to repeat it :) |
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| 18:41.28 | Panzerboy | it's way too much |
| 18:41.28 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: check the init of kde |
| 18:41.35 | Diavolos | init? |
| 18:41.42 | Panzerboy | ra21vi_: however, it won't work with only the win key |
| 18:41.44 | ra21vi_ | Panzerboy: was that for Win kwy |
| 18:41.45 | sredna | Hm, it would be nice if kaddressbook/korganizer custom fields and pages could be bound to a resource |
| 18:41.52 | Panzerboy | at least for me it didn't |
| 18:41.55 | cobra_ | Panzerboy, it just work so fine... |
| 18:41.56 | Panzerboy | it wanted a combination |
| 18:42.07 | Panzerboy | ra21vi_: so i choose win+q |
| 18:42.13 | Panzerboy | cobra_: i'm glad :) |
| 18:42.33 | ra21vi_ | Panzerboy: yup, initially it worked alone, but now it requires key-combination |
| 18:42.45 | Panzerboy | ra21vi_: maybe they've changed something |
| 18:43.47 | Panzerboy | Diavolos: try to run kdeinit |
| 18:43.53 | Panzerboy | Diavolos: with strace maybe |
| 18:44.23 | Panzerboy | Diavolos: or, as i said, try with the nv driver |
| 18:44.26 | Diavolos | kdeinit aborting $DISPLAY is not set |
| 18:44.33 | Panzerboy | heh |
| 18:44.38 | Panzerboy | echo $DISPLAY |
| 18:44.48 | Diavolos | nothing |
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| 18:44.50 | Panzerboy | hmm |
| 18:44.51 | Diavolos | what is $DISPLAY? |
| 18:44.56 | carmen | how can i make konqueror not show /proc ? |
| 18:44.57 | Panzerboy | stelu@paradise:~$ echo $DISPLAY |
| 18:44.57 | Panzerboy | :0 |
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| 18:45.26 | Diavolos | where is display set? |
| 18:45.28 | Panzerboy | it should be something like : export DISPLAY=<your ip>:0 |
| 18:45.49 | Panzerboy | or maybe just export DISPLAY=:0 ? |
| 18:45.52 | Panzerboy | try to do this |
| 18:45.54 | Panzerboy | then again |
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| 18:46.03 | ra21vi_ | ANYONE here help me change my KDE-Menu button icon |
| 18:46.11 | Panzerboy | Diavolos: it should be set in some scripts |
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| 18:46.26 | ra21vi_ | I want the Blue KDE icon instead of old one |
| 18:46.45 | Diavolos | kded: cannot connect to X server 192.168.2.2:0 |
| 18:47.00 | Panzerboy | that's kdeinit or startx? |
| 18:47.01 | Diavolos | DCOP aborting call from 'anonymous-6576' to kded |
| 18:47.05 | Panzerboy | try with startx |
| 18:47.09 | Diavolos | kdeinit |
| 18:47.10 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: what command u use to start kde |
| 18:47.25 | Diavolos | i retry startx |
| 18:47.28 | Diavolos | same problem |
| 18:47.31 | Panzerboy | hmm |
| 18:47.42 | Diavolos | incredible |
| 18:47.45 | Panzerboy | then export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 18:47.48 | Panzerboy | without the ip |
| 18:47.51 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: use "initx kdeinit -- :0" see it works |
| 18:47.51 | Panzerboy | and again |
| 18:48.13 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: "xinit kdeinit -- :0" see it works , sorry |
| 18:48.23 | Diavolos | ok |
| 18:48.23 | Panzerboy | boy, something's really screwed up in your gentoo :) |
| 18:48.23 | Diavolos | wait |
| 18:48.40 | Diavolos | everything worked fine |
| 18:48.41 | Beineri | ra21vi_: you want a new icon? upgrade to KDE 3.4 ;-) |
| 18:49.00 | ra21vi_ | Beineri: oh, thats was so easy way :) |
| 18:49.05 | Diavolos | ra21vi_: same problem |
| 18:49.15 | Diavolos | i only see the bottom part of the kde splash |
| 18:49.21 | Diavolos | and then i have to reboot |
| 18:49.40 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: ok, let me know, do u see the xstartup screen initialization |
| 18:49.43 | Panzerboy | Diavolos: did you try with the nv driver? |
| 18:49.45 | Diavolos | yes |
| 18:49.57 | Diavolos | ra21vi |
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| 18:50.10 | Diavolos | i also see the nvidia logo |
| 18:50.11 | davux | hi :) |
| 18:50.17 | Diavolos | and i also saw the login screen |
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| 18:50.34 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: ok, after that i guess, kde not started, and the error in terminal is that u cannot connect to display :0 |
| 18:50.43 | davux | Does anyone know how to change Konsole's charset? I'd like to have it use UTF-8. |
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| 18:51.15 | osoh | hi all |
| 18:51.19 | ra21vi_ | davux: edit the terminals rc config |
| 18:51.20 | osoh | and happy 3.4! :D |
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| 18:51.33 | Diavolos | i tried startkde |
| 18:51.35 | davux | ra21vi_: How do I do that? |
| 18:51.39 | Diavolos | unable to ope display "" |
| 18:51.45 | Diavolos | cannot connect to X server |
| 18:51.51 | njaard | export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 18:51.52 | ra21vi_ | davux: what terminal u user |
| 18:52.11 | davux | ra21vi_: I'm using Konsole. |
| 18:52.12 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: ok, u have to go a lil long way, |
| 18:52.20 | Diavolos | long way? |
| 18:52.22 | ra21vi_ | davux: KDE konsole?? |
| 18:52.25 | davux | ra21vi_: yes. |
| 18:52.30 | Panzerboy | Diavolos: try as njaard said |
| 18:52.43 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: yup, change the ~/.xinitrc |
| 18:52.53 | davux | ra21vi_: and I'd like to use UTF-8 instead of iso-8859-1 |
| 18:53.09 | Diavolos | i have no xinitrc |
| 18:53.19 | Panzerboy | so i will ask one more time, maybe somebody answers this time :) |
| 18:53.19 | ra21vi_ | davux: in the konsole settings, u can set any charset, |
| 18:53.20 | njaard | don't listen to ra21vi_ |
| 18:53.30 | njaard | :] |
| 18:53.36 | davux | ra21vi_: I didn't find it :-/ |
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| 18:53.46 | Panzerboy | any idea if konstruct can be used to build the HEAD ? :) |
| 18:53.52 | Diavolos | Panzerboy: can't get address for localhost:6000 |
| 18:53.54 | Panzerboy | like in ... cvs HEAD ? |
| 18:53.54 | davux | Panzerboy: No idea, sorry. |
| 18:54.09 | Panzerboy | Diavolos: wow, that's really a new one |
| 18:54.31 | Panzerboy | Diavolos: after exporting DISPLAY as :0 ? |
| 18:54.35 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: did u "echo startkde >~/.xinitrc |
| 18:54.36 | Diavolos | yes |
| 18:54.44 | Diavolos | ra21vi_: wait i will do that |
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| 18:55.21 | Flendor | Re. |
| 18:55.25 | davux | ra21vi_: Are you sure I can change the charset in Konsole settings? |
| 18:55.42 | Diavolos | ra21vi_: and then? |
| 18:55.45 | ra21vi_ | davux: AFAIK, i use to set them frm there |
| 18:56.17 | jaybuffet | whats a good tabbed text editor ? |
| 18:56.36 | Panzerboy | jaybuffet: kate? |
| 18:56.42 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: oh, buddy, sorry.. "nano -w ~/.xinitrc" |
| 18:57.20 | Diavolos | as i said, i get "can't get adress for localhost:6000: Name or service not known |
| 18:57.22 | Diavolos | ra21vi_ |
| 18:57.31 | Beineri | Panzerboy: not possible |
| 18:57.34 | tcaira | ra21vi_: I think he said `good' text editor, not `fisher-price' text editor :^P |
| 18:57.42 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: and there u put "exec startkde" |
| 18:57.59 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: just single line, delete previous entry |
| 18:58.00 | Beineri | Panzerboy: use a CVS build script for CVS ;-) |
| 18:58.18 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: now u need to edit ur /etc/rc.conf |
| 18:58.25 | Diavolos | ok |
| 18:58.34 | Panzerboy | Beineri: thanks, where can i find one? |
| 18:59.06 | jaybuffet | Panzerboy: thanks |
| 18:59.19 | ra21vi_ | tcaira: what u mean? |
| 18:59.38 | Beineri | Panzerboy: bottom http://developer.kde.org/build/compile_cvs.html |
| 18:59.49 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: remember to" nano -w /etc/rc.conf" |
| 19:00.01 | Diavolos | just tell me what to write |
| 19:00.11 | tcaira | ra21vi_: For serious text editing you need something like vi(m). :-P |
| 19:00.24 | Panzerboy | Beineri: thank you |
| 19:00.34 | Panzerboy | tcaira: :) |
| 19:00.56 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: XSESSION="kde-3.3.0" |
| 19:01.14 | Diavolos | 3.3.0? |
| 19:01.15 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: dont write, find if that is present, change it |
| 19:01.25 | Diavolos | i wrote there kde-3.4 |
| 19:01.34 | Diavolos | and that is present |
| 19:01.38 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: also, use ur version of kde, mine is 3.3.0 |
| 19:02.11 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: it shud be 3 digits, like 3.4.x |
| 19:02.22 | Diavolos | but the session is called kde-3.4 |
| 19:02.44 | ra21vi_ | then as simple user, at prompt #startx |
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| 19:03.51 | Nemezis | hi, where can I read a howto for installing flash in konqueror? |
| 19:04.07 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: if again problem is there, then u now need to configure ur Vid. Device , i mean /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:04.15 | Panzerboy | Nemezis: google for it :) |
| 19:04.21 | Panzerboy | Nemezis: UTFG :) |
| 19:04.31 | ra21vi_ | Nemezis: use Mozilla-Firefox, and there is plugin avail |
| 19:04.38 | Diavolos | i changed NOTHING |
| 19:04.42 | Diavolos | i only emerge kde 3.4 |
| 19:04.56 | Diavolos | x starts, it hangs when kde tries to boot |
| 19:05.28 | Nemezis | ra21vi_: it shows some error when installing Firefox :( |
| 19:05.29 | Diavolos | nothing changed...same problem here |
| 19:05.54 | ra21vi_ | Nemezis: and for konqueror, i just know what u need is <flashplugin>.so into plugin directory |
| 19:06.13 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: what happened? |
| 19:06.22 | Diavolos | it freezd |
| 19:06.29 | Nemezis | ra21vi_: not sure what is the valid path for what the installation asks |
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| 19:06.59 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: ok buddy, now u mess with the X, thats it, KDE is not the problem here |
| 19:07.25 | ra21vi_ | Nemezis: what path & apps u talking abt, Firefox |
| 19:07.36 | Diavolos | i am not sure ra21vi_ |
| 19:07.49 | sredna | Damned crashy kicker :/ |
| 19:07.59 | Nemezis | Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, |
| 19:08.00 | Nemezis | or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): |
| 19:08.02 | Nemezis | ra21vi_: ^^ |
| 19:08.25 | ra21vi_ | Diavolos: only way u be assure that X server running properly is trying another WM, like twm |
| 19:08.57 | ra21vi_ | Nemezis: when u get this>? |
| 19:09.13 | Nemezis | ra21vi_: when I start the installer of flash for linux |
| 19:09.20 | Nemezis | ./flashplayer-installer |
| 19:09.31 | Diavolos | wow |
| 19:09.33 | Diavolos | i don't get it |
| 19:09.37 | Diavolos | what a fucking problem |
| 19:09.48 | Panzerboy | ra21vi_: in which folder should that flashplayer.so be copied? |
| 19:09.59 | Panzerboy | cause i've just noticed flash doesn't work in konqi |
| 19:10.06 | Panzerboy | it works though in firefox |
| 19:10.15 | Diavolos | are "xloadimage" and "xli" packages that have to be installed? |
| 19:10.21 | Diavolos | can this be the problem? |
| 19:10.37 | ra21vi_ | Nemezis: see, the path is of browser installed, where inside u must find a plugin directory, but i will tell u just to install Firefox and let me know where is prob |
| 19:11.29 | ra21vi_ | Panzerboy: $your_browser_directory/plugins |
| 19:11.54 | Panzerboy | Tuxmachines has a KDE 3.4 review and declares it to have "more shine and polish than ever experienced with any desktop environment in existance today."] |
| 19:11.57 | Panzerboy | heh |
| 19:12.08 | Nemezis | ra21vi_: This what I get when I try to install firefox: "free(): invalid pointer 0x81f4750! |
| 19:12.08 | Nemezis | free(): invalid pointer 0x81f4728! |
| 19:12.08 | Nemezis | ./firefox-installer: line 56: 4173 Segmentation fault ./${BINNAME}-bin $@ |
| 19:12.08 | Nemezis | " |
| 19:12.16 | ra21vi_ | Panzerboy: or if u have Mozilla compt. browser, ~/<config_brow>/plugin |
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| 19:12.55 | Panzerboy | i have ff |
| 19:13.22 | ra21vi_ | Nemezis: corrupt download |
| 19:14.12 | Nemezis | damn :) |
| 19:14.15 | Nemezis | ra21vi_: thanks |
| 19:14.22 | Nemezis | urpmi'ed it |
| 19:14.24 | Nemezis | :) |
| 19:14.41 | ra21vi_ | Panzerboy: then browse ur home for ~/.mozilla/plugin |
| 19:14.58 | Panzerboy | well, in ff it works |
| 19:14.58 | Panzerboy | flash |
| 19:15.02 | Panzerboy | it doesn't though in konqi |
| 19:15.04 | Panzerboy | it doesn |
| 19:15.13 | Panzerboy | it doesn't find the plugin apparently |
| 19:15.21 | ra21vi_ | Panzerboy: I have used it in konq. some 6 months back |
| 19:15.33 | Panzerboy | i see |
| 19:15.40 | Panzerboy | there must be a setting somewhere |
| 19:15.46 | kayali | Panzerboy: goto plugins preferences and check if the path to flash is in the list |
| 19:15.47 | ra21vi_ | and what that plugin was GNU flash plugin |
| 19:16.14 | kayali | Panzerboy: that's of course in konqi's prefs |
| 19:16.26 | ra21vi_ | Although firefox has better repu to get macromedia involed |
| 19:17.24 | ra21vi_ | Nemezis: wat happened? dl'ing firefox again |
| 19:17.59 | Nemezis | ra21vi_: yes |
| 19:18.30 | ra21vi_ | i came in this channel to get help on changing the icon of KDE-menu,disappointed / i m going now |
| 19:18.46 | Nemezis | i know that |
| 19:18.50 | Nemezis | wait :) |
| 19:18.53 | Nemezis | using Mandrake ? |
| 19:19.16 | Panzerboy | well, the path is there |
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| 19:19.52 | ra21vi_ | Nemezis: attending me?> |
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| 19:20.16 | Nemezis | ra21vi_: ?? |
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| 19:21.01 | ra21vi_ | Nemezis: i mean r u going to tell me the path??? :) |
| 19:21.08 | ra21vi_ | Nemezis: shud i wait? |
| 19:21.38 | Nemezis | ra21vi_: ok, I asked if u are using Mandrake cause I know how to change the stupid 'Star' that appears as KMenu icon |
| 19:21.59 | ra21vi_ | Nemezis: no, i m using Gentoo |
| 19:22.24 | SteamedPenguin | ra21vi_: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/ |
| 19:22.26 | ra21vi_ | Nemezis: and u can tell me the path, as kde path is almost same |
| 19:22.30 | Nemezis | well u can change the icon in ~/.kde/share/icons/<the_theme>/kmenu.png with other icon |
| 19:22.34 | SteamedPenguin | ra21vi_: there is an entry there that tells you how |
| 19:22.59 | ra21vi_ | Nemezis: thanks :) |
| 19:23.17 | Nemezis | np :) |
| 19:23.21 | ra21vi_ | SteamedPenguin: hi, lets see what info bank u provided me, :) thanks buddy |
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| 19:24.08 | ra21vi_ | Nemezis: ok, wish u good luck in installing Firefox, and well i know u will love it more than any other |
| 19:24.45 | Nemezis | I am using Firefox @home that's why I don't know how to install Flash in Konq |
| 19:24.45 | ra21vi_ | BYE, see u ppl soon, i mean as soon as i get next problem |
| 19:24.48 | Nemezis | (: |
| 19:24.50 | Nemezis | Firefox rox |
| 19:25.10 | Nemezis | hope Kecko will improve Konq. much more |
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| 19:25.50 | tcaira | Could someone tell me the email address of the webmaster of www.kdevelop.org? |
| 19:25.54 | Panzerboy | well, unfortunatelly firefox integrates better with gnome than with kde |
| 19:26.01 | Nemezis | mail@kdevelop.org |
| 19:26.03 | Nemezis | :))))))))0 |
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| 19:26.05 | Panzerboy | tcaira: webmaster@kdevelop.org ? |
| 19:26.06 | Panzerboy | :) |
| 19:26.12 | Nemezis | Panzerboy: I have noticed that too, pity |
| 19:26.15 | Panzerboy | or postmaster@kdevelop.org :) |
| 19:26.28 | tcaira | I'd check, but this is the very reason I'm emailing |
| 19:26.31 | Nemezis | could be master_of_disaster@kdevelop.org :) |
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| 19:26.40 | Nemezis | to ask him what is his mail ?? |
| 19:26.44 | Nemezis | :)))0 |
| 19:26.44 | tcaira | No |
| 19:26.53 | tcaira | Because it doesn't work with lynx |
| 19:27.04 | tcaira | I can't access his site to check |
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| 19:27.36 | tcaira | Is anyone up and running on a compiled version of release KDE 3.4 |
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| 19:27.52 | tcaira | Not counting developers. |
| 19:28.36 | Panzerboy | tcaira: the gentoo people :) |
| 19:28.52 | Panzerboy | tcaira: can you run an *uncompiled* version ? |
| 19:29.01 | tcaira | You can run binaries |
| 19:29.09 | tcaira | Like RPMs |
| 19:29.22 | tcaira | I mean people who compiled it /themselves/ |
| 19:29.22 | Panzerboy | oh, that's what you mean |
| 19:29.27 | Panzerboy | ask gentoo people |
| 19:29.32 | Panzerboy | they are compilling everything :) |
| 19:29.45 | tcaira | It took me all day yesterday to download KDE |
| 19:29.51 | tcaira | Until I found belnet.be |
| 19:30.02 | tcaira | Which is 100x faster than ftp.kde.org |
| 19:30.03 | Panzerboy | tcaira: mail is webmaster@kdevelop.org |
| 19:30.08 | Panzerboy | i've just checked |
| 19:30.09 | tcaira | Panzerboy: thanks |
| 19:30.18 | Panzerboy | well, that's the role of mirrors :) |
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| 19:30.29 | tcaira | Only one mirror had 3.4 |
| 19:30.31 | tcaira | belnet |
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| 19:31.15 | Panzerboy | maybe more will have it in the future |
| 19:31.19 | r00tsh3ll | tcaira: already compiled? |
| 19:31.25 | Panzerboy | it takes a while to sync with the master server |
| 19:31.30 | SteamedPenguin | yah, ten more ebuilds and I am all upgraded |
| 19:31.34 | tcaira | r00tsh3ll: No, I'm 5 packages in |
| 19:31.35 | Mafteah | kde3.4 works good? |
| 19:31.46 | tcaira | I dunno |
| 19:31.47 | Mafteah | i have problem to maximize |
| 19:31.49 | t35t0r | i use fluxbox with kde progs |
| 19:31.51 | tcaira | I haven't started |
| 19:32.13 | njaard | sredna: no more #kde-devel for you? |
| 19:32.21 | t35t0r | tcaira: yea i'm running gentoo |
| 19:32.52 | SteamedPenguin | Mafteah: what's the problem? things work well here |
| 19:32.54 | sredna | njaard: I don't care to be patronized of better-knowing geniuses, so no :o |
| 19:33.11 | njaard | sredna: uh... I don't understand you :) |
| 19:33.40 | sredna | njaard: Doesn't matter. I didn't feel well in there in a couple of occations, so I decided not to waste my time there |
| 19:33.50 | njaard | sredna? :( |
| 19:33.57 | sredna | I come in there if I need to ask something, and leaves again |
| 19:34.47 | tcaira | Hooray! KDE Multimedia compiled after 5 hours |
| 19:34.55 | Panzerboy | heh |
| 19:35.37 | tcaira | I'm making a semi-complete (everything except i18n) Slackware package set |
| 19:35.43 | Tpo1 | doesn't match up to an OOo compile |
| 19:36.01 | Tpo1 | I started it last nite, the build will be done when I wake up tomorrow |
| 19:36.09 | tcaira | Firefox :^) |
| 19:36.10 | lippel | tcaira: it took 5 hours to compile or 5 hours to fix problems? |
| 19:36.14 | tcaira | lippel: compile |
| 19:36.29 | Panzerboy | well, for me was just apt-get install kde :P |
| 19:36.32 | lippel | tcaira: uh, slow box i suppose ;-) |
| 19:36.33 | tcaira | lippel: Same as kdebase; libs took 4 1/2 |
| 19:36.35 | Panzerboy | and voila! |
| 19:36.38 | tcaira | lippel: 500 MHx |
| 19:36.39 | tcaira | z |
| 19:36.44 | Panzerboy | 20 minutes later i had 3.4 :) |
| 19:37.00 | lippel | kdelibs takes about an hour here |
| 19:37.07 | kayali | Panzerboy: you'll make me switch... please stop ;) |
| 19:37.22 | r00tsh3ll | lippel: which processor? |
| 19:37.33 | lippel | r00tsh3ll: pentium m 1.4mhz |
| 19:37.49 | tcaira | That's pretty slow :) |
| 19:37.56 | Panzerboy | kayali: heh :) |
| 19:38.29 | tcaira | I could compile by hand faster than tha |
| 19:38.29 | tcaira | t |
| 19:38.31 | kayali | Panzerboy: only reason I don't run debian on my ibook is the total lack of java support ;) |
| 19:38.37 | Panzerboy | ?? |
| 19:38.51 | lippel | tcaira: lol |
| 19:39.10 | lippel | is there a tutorial to compile C code by hand? ;-) |
| 19:39.22 | lippel | for the "i want full control" crowd |
| 19:39.32 | Panzerboy | kayali: is it a ppc issue? |
| 19:39.35 | kayali | lippel: by hand it's pretty hard. you'll need a compiler.... |
| 19:39.50 | lippel | kayali: compilers are girlish |
| 19:40.03 | Tpo1 | man make |
| 19:40.43 | lippel | nah, mapping c code to asm manually |
| 19:41.03 | Tpo1 | cut to the chase and code in asm |
| 19:41.14 | kayali | Panzerboy: a debian-ppc issue :) I could still install those things by hand, but I like when the package manager does it all. PPC has the IBM-JDK (which can be distributed freely, not as sun's), and konqueror knows how to make good use of it. eclipse, java support in kdevelop... all this must be a pain in debian-ppc |
| 19:41.46 | Tpo1 | or even better, machine language... 1s and 0s |
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| 19:42.20 | Panzerboy | kayali: i see |
| 19:42.31 | Panzerboy | because in x86 is not an issue |
| 19:43.27 | kayali | Panzerboy: anyway, my ibook is so slow at compiling everything, that I might as well install debian and take care of java manually, I'd still win a ton of time ;) |
| 19:44.24 | njaard | deb ftp://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.blackdown.org/java-linux/debian unstable non-free |
| 19:44.27 | njaard | apt-get install j2re |
| 19:44.30 | njaard | apt-get install j2re1.4 |
| 19:44.32 | Panzerboy | kayali: :) |
| 19:44.46 | illogic-al | DEATH TO ARTS! MUAHAHAHAHAH! |
| 19:44.46 | njaard | (that's a UK mirror) |
| 19:45.00 | Panzerboy | njaard: yeah, but if you need the jdk ? |
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| 19:45.11 | njaard | apt-get install j2sdk1.4 |
| 19:45.12 | njaard | I think.. |
| 19:45.19 | njaard | I have it installed, and I used apt :) |
| 19:46.01 | Panzerboy | from which repo? |
| 19:46.04 | Panzerboy | official debian? |
| 19:46.05 | njaard | that one. |
| 19:46.09 | Panzerboy | i see |
| 19:46.14 | Panzerboy | it's the blackdown version ? |
| 19:46.17 | njaard | yes |
| 19:46.23 | njaard | presumably |
| 19:46.26 | njaard | it works, so it's not the Sun one :) |
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| 19:46.44 | Panzerboy | lol |
| 19:46.47 | Panzerboy | LOL |
| 19:47.56 | Panzerboy | well, i've found a repo with sun's |
| 19:48.01 | njaard | ftp://xenia.sote.hu/pub/mirrors/java.blackdown.org/debian |
| 19:48.02 | njaard | behold! |
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| 19:48.58 | tcaira | I'm praying this install worked |
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| 19:51.51 | Panzerboy | tcaira: well, i bet you do ... after all, you've waited for ... how many hours? :) |
| 19:52.16 | tcaira | More than just waiting |
| 19:52.33 | tcaira | Actively monitoring my system and trying to fix things |
| 19:52.46 | Panzerboy | heh |
| 19:52.47 | tcaira | Well, a lot of waiting too :^P |
| 19:52.51 | tcaira | And some sleeping. |
| 19:52.57 | Panzerboy | u're the official kde packager for slackware |
| 19:52.58 | Panzerboy | ? |
| 19:53.08 | tcaira | No, that would be Pat Volkerding. |
| 19:53.16 | tcaira | He's the only official Slackware anybody |
| 19:53.21 | Panzerboy | yeah, "The" Pat :) |
| 19:53.30 | tcaira | P. for short |
| 19:53.31 | kayali | Pat "The Slow" |
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| 19:54.32 | Rocksteady_ | Does anyone know of any Linux liveCD with 3.4 on it yet? |
| 19:54.33 | Panzerboy | so how much time it takes him, on average, to package someting like kde 3.4? |
| 19:54.36 | Panzerboy | i am just curious |
| 19:54.43 | tcaira | Rocksteady_: Klax |
| 19:54.47 | tcaira | Rocksteady_: But that's RC1 |
| 19:54.47 | Panzerboy | i mean, after the release |
| 19:55.08 | tcaira | Panzerboy: He does't release Slackware versions based on KDE releases |
| 19:55.19 | tcaira | Panzerboy: Nobody knows when Slackware 11's coming out |
| 19:55.23 | Panzerboy | no man |
| 19:55.33 | Panzerboy | you mean there are no official kde 3.4 packages? |
| 19:55.35 | kayali | Panzerboy: slackware-current usually has the new KDE within a week or so |
| 19:55.35 | tcaira | I am going to distribute these packages. |
| 19:55.43 | Rocksteady_ | thanks tcaira |
| 19:55.55 | Panzerboy | kayali: i see |
| 19:56.09 | tcaira | Panzerboy: Oh, sorry, I misinterpreted your question. :$ |
| 19:56.13 | Panzerboy | well, i'll go watch law & order: criminal intent :) |
| 19:56.22 | tcaira | Panzerboy: My apologies. |
| 19:56.25 | Panzerboy | so see you later |
| 19:56.26 | kayali | Panzerboy: slackware-stable is stuck with 3.3.2 unless a remote root exploit hits it ;) |
| 19:56.29 | Panzerboy | tcaira: no problem :) |
| 19:57.15 | kayali | see you all later |
| 19:57.58 | Oleg_ | people, why can't you merge kmix with timidity? |
| 19:58.12 | Oleg_ | Timidity doesn't take a lot of CPU usage |
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| 19:59.10 | Oleg_ | kmix without timidity is nothing for people who don't have midi on their cards |
| 19:59.21 | Oleg_ | I mean kmid |
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| 19:59.22 | Oleg_ | kmid |
| 19:59.25 | Oleg_ | not kmix |
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| 20:03.15 | Diavolos | heeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp |
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| 20:08.02 | Diavolos | my system crashed/freezes when starting kde |
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| 20:12.58 | eisregen | hi ^^ |
| 20:14.56 | Diavolos | it is really incredible |
| 20:15.04 | tcaira | Wish me luck... testing my new install |
| 20:15.51 | lippel | Diavolos: when does it freeze? |
| 20:16.25 | Diavolos | lippel: when the kde splash screen appears, i only see a part of it and then it freezes |
| 20:16.44 | lippel | Diavolos: i have read about this problem several times... |
| 20:16.48 | Diavolos | where? |
| 20:16.51 | lippel | Diavolos: but i don't know the final solution |
| 20:16.56 | lippel | here, in forums etc. |
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| 20:17.01 | lippel | try another user |
| 20:17.20 | Diavolos | where do i disable autologin? |
| 20:17.39 | lippel | if somebody knows what the problem is and how to fix it, we should write it down somewhere |
| 20:18.20 | lippel | Diavolos: either in your distribution-specific config tools or in kdm setup |
| 20:18.57 | lippel | kdm setup is in kcontrol->system administration->login manager |
| 20:19.07 | [_]illogic-al | www.illogic-al.org/~orville/desktop_current.png |
| 20:19.07 | Diavolos | i wi don't have kde at the moment lippel :) |
| 20:19.31 | [_]illogic-al | bah. wong chan. |
| 20:19.32 | lippel | Diavolos: ah, i thought you have an old kde running ;-) |
| 20:19.40 | Billthe4th | what is the best way to remove the extension from a filename? |
| 20:19.44 | Diavolos | well i was so stupid to uninstall kde 3.3 |
| 20:20.13 | Billthe4th | i have cut -d. -f1 |
| 20:20.38 | lippel | i wonder if it's a problem with using old kde 3.3 settings |
| 20:20.51 | Billthe4th | but that only returns everything before the first dot, which isnt the whole filename :( |
| 20:20.51 | Diavolos | well i deleted .kde3.4 and .kde |
| 20:21.15 | Diavolos | ordoes it always look for .kde3.3 and try to copy it? |
| 20:21.26 | lippel | Diavolos: is there any .kde* left? |
| 20:21.32 | Diavolos | yes |
| 20:21.56 | Diavolos | i move it |
| 20:22.03 | lippel | yeah, try moving it |
| 20:22.21 | lippel | maybe it has to do with ICE stuff in /tmp, /var/tmp |
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| 20:22.41 | Diavolos | no it did not help |
| 20:22.53 | Diavolos | i got the kwizard but now it freezed |
| 20:23.43 | lippel | i never followed the discussion completely... i am sure some users here would know what to do... |
| 20:23.54 | lippel | canllaith: ping :) |
| 20:24.12 | lippel | Diavolos: well, you could try another user for a start |
| 20:24.14 | Diavolos | i am really frustaded |
| 20:24.31 | Diavolos | i only have me and root on that maschine |
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| 20:24.44 | Diavolos | ah |
| 20:24.45 | Diavolos | http://www.ibiblio.org/onebase/onebaselinux.com/Community/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=764& |
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| 20:26.04 | lippel | ah, yeah. try that. |
| 20:26.12 | lippel | i wonder how many people have that problem... |
| 20:27.09 | Diavolos | i wonder if i will ever see kde 3.4 |
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| 20:28.04 | Ashdurbat | r00tsh3ll: It works |
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| 20:30.13 | Ashdurbat | I can send you the packages |
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| 20:32.47 | Ashdurbat | KDM didn't work though :( |
| 20:32.56 | Ashdurbat | I don't know why... /opt/kde/bin was in my path |
| 20:33.36 | Vladi | hi, what is the package/program name for the konqueror plugin that shows up in konqueror's tool menu and does w3c validation on the current page? |
| 20:34.00 | Ashdurbat | I dunno, probably tidy something |
| 20:34.27 | Vladi | Ashdurbat: hmm it use's w3c's server not the tidy app |
| 20:34.39 | Ashdurbat | Ok |
| 20:34.49 | Ashdurbat | Then I have no clue, sorry |
| 20:34.57 | Vladi | Ashdurbat: thanks anyway :) |
| 20:35.06 | Vladi | just that gentoo split their kde ebuilds |
| 20:35.23 | Vladi | and now im piceing together my own kde :) |
| 20:35.34 | Vladi | and looking for the package/plugin that adds that |
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| 20:35.39 | Ashdurbat | I'm almost certain it's in KDE addons though |
| 20:36.42 | Vladi | kate-plugins ? i doubt that |
| 20:37.17 | Ashdurbat | KDE addons |
| 20:37.18 | Ashdurbat | ftp://ftp.belnet.be/packages/kde/stable/3.4/src/kdeaddons-3.4.0.tar.bz2 iirc |
| 20:37.40 | Ashdurbat | I downloaded it two days ago so that might not be right |
| 20:37.45 | Vladi | yeah im just looking at whats thats made up of |
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| 20:39.37 | Ashdurbat | I'm 100% certain this is what you want |
| 20:39.39 | itscooly | hello |
| 20:39.56 | Ashdurbat | Plugins for Konqueror |
| 20:39.56 | Ashdurbat | --------------------- |
| 20:39.56 | Ashdurbat | * validators: validates a HTML or CSS file against W3's html validor |
| 20:40.04 | Ashdurbat | Hi itscooly |
| 20:40.28 | itscooly | can somebody help me with screensavers? if possible..in german (because my english is very bad) |
| 20:41.17 | Vladi | Ashdurbat: plugins-for-konq is in kde-addons? |
| 20:41.36 | itscooly | hmm.. ok.. can somebody help me in english? gggggggggggg |
| 20:41.44 | lippel | itscooly: what's the problem? |
| 20:41.45 | apokryphos | itscooly: #ubuntu-de |
| 20:41.51 | Ashdurbat | Vladi: Yes |
| 20:41.56 | lippel | or #kde.de |
| 20:42.01 | lippel | which is quite dead |
| 20:42.08 | itscooly | i have installed all kde-screensavers.. but... no screensavers are there.. :-( |
| 20:42.08 | apokryphos | whoops, sorry; wrong channel |
| 20:42.32 | lippel | itscooly: which distribution? |
| 20:42.41 | itscooly | kanotix... |
| 20:42.50 | itscooly | its like debian |
| 20:43.15 | lippel | check if there is a kanotix channel |
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| 20:43.36 | lippel | join #kanotix |
| 20:43.46 | lippel | grmbl |
| 20:43.57 | itscooly | i did this before.. but.. no one can help me there |
| 20:44.11 | lippel | heh, the typo made sense |
| 20:45.06 | lippel | itscooly: are you sure you have the right package installed? |
| 20:45.32 | itscooly | i installed the screensaver via apt-get install kscreensaver |
| 20:46.19 | itscooly | but.. in .kde/applnk/system is no entry for the screensavers |
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| 20:47.22 | lippel | i am not sure, but maybe that's only the screensaver program itself, without the actual screensavers |
| 20:47.41 | lippel | itscooly: check if there are other packages with "screensaver" in it |
| 20:48.57 | itscooly | yeah.. there are.. but they are also installed |
| 20:50.11 | itscooly | i think.. the problem are the entrys in .kde.... they missing.. |
| 20:50.20 | itscooly | but.. how can I installed them? |
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| 20:51.30 | lippel | itscooly: the entries should be read from the system-wide files somewhere $KDEDIR/share |
| 20:52.20 | lippel | itscooly: i still think this is a kanotix issue |
| 20:52.21 | Ashdurbat | r00tsh3ll: You there? |
| 20:52.43 | itscooly | ok.. i go back to the channel.. thx anyway |
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| 20:57.16 | r00tsh3ll | Ashdurbat: ya |
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| 20:58.19 | Frost^ | wow |
| 20:58.32 | Frost^ | kde's support for composite is real sweet now |
| 20:58.37 | Ashdurbat | What is composite? |
| 20:58.45 | Frost^ | well, with xorg 6.8.2 and the new nvidia drivers at least |
| 20:59.05 | Frost^ | Ashdurbat, you know, translucent windows and other eye candy effect |
| 20:59.36 | Ashdurbat | pl |
| 20:59.37 | Ashdurbat | ok |
| 20:59.46 | Ashdurbat | Kopete is behavine real strangely |
| 20:59.56 | Ashdurbat | I can't switch between tabs with Alt-right anymore |
| 20:59.58 | Frost^ | as always :\ |
| 21:00.04 | Ashdurbat | And there are some duplicates in my buddy list |
| 21:00.07 | Frost^ | can't use kopete unfortunately |
| 21:00.10 | Frost^ | so I'm using sim |
| 21:00.16 | Frost^ | good client, but quite some bugs |
| 21:00.19 | Ashdurbat | I tried IMing someone, and the little accept message thing popped up with their response |
| 21:00.33 | Ashdurbat | And it opened in another window |
| 21:01.08 | Ashdurbat | Apparently it's case sensitive |
| 21:01.20 | Ashdurbat | And it likes capitalized |
| 21:01.39 | Frost^ | hmm that's odd |
| 21:01.41 | tuxinou | H3ll0, !$ !t p0$$!bl3 t0 4dd H4x0r l4ñgu4g3 t0 Kd3 ??? |
| 21:01.51 | Ashdurbat | Stop that |
| 21:02.11 | PieD | tuxinou: I don't think a lot of people will appreciate such jokes! |
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| 21:02.44 | tuxinou | but H4x0r !$ $p0K3ñ b¥ l0t 0f p30pl3 !ñ©lud!ñg m3, 4ñd .... m3 |
| 21:02.51 | Ashdurbat | Yeah, stop that now |
| 21:03.00 | PieD | is there any op here ? |
| 21:04.05 | Frost^ | that 1337 talk is one of the more annoying things in among the geeks |
| 21:04.31 | PieD | tue : that kind of language is for kids |
| 21:04.46 | eisregen | Frost^: it was cool a very long time ago ... =P |
| 21:04.57 | PieD | it is "spoken" by that kind of people needing a way do distinguish from others |
| 21:05.01 | tue | yah.. i meant how you actually pronounce an "1$" etc. |
| 21:05.01 | tuxinou | PieD, it's very interesting, there are also varriants |
| 21:05.02 | SteamedPenguin | Frost^: real geeks don't talk like that |
| 21:05.20 | SteamedPenguin | Frost^: kiddies on the other hand, or aollers... |
| 21:05.21 | Frost^ | eisregen, well it's annoying nonetheless ;) |
| 21:05.35 | Ashdurbat | SteamedPenguin: Or 12 year old CSers |
| 21:05.37 | Frost^ | hehe |
| 21:05.44 | Frost^ | CSers is right |
| 21:05.52 | SteamedPenguin | Ashdurbat: see AOLlers :) |
| 21:06.01 | eisregen | Frost^: I agree, well there were times when you didn't wan't your chan to be grepped ... |
| 21:06.02 | Ashdurbat | r0fl I pwnd t4ht newb!! |
| 21:06.05 | Ashdurbat | kill me first |
| 21:06.06 | lippel | FYI: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/kidtalk.mspx |
| 21:06.22 | tuxinou | arg |
| 21:06.42 | lippel | even microsoft calls it "kidtalk" in the url ;-) |
| 21:06.43 | Frost^ | grepped? |
| 21:06.55 | Ashdurbat | eisregen: How do you use grep with channel lists? |
| 21:07.18 | eisregen | Ashdurbat: lol ^^ |
| 21:07.19 | tue | verbose l337-speak might have something to it. imagine two twelve year olds: r-zero-f-one one p-w-bigN-d seven-four-h-seven n-three-w-8. |
| 21:08.13 | Ashdurbat | That's a terrible article |
| 21:08.15 | Ashdurbat | "joo" and "u": Used instead of "you." This is also commonly written as "j00" or "_|00." |
| 21:08.17 | Frost^ | ThErE aRe AlSo ThOsE wHo TyPe LiKe ThIs |
| 21:08.23 | Frost^ | which is also annoying |
| 21:08.24 | Ashdurbat | No tr00 haxx0r says u |
| 21:08.29 | eisregen | tue: yes .. it's funny ? |
| 21:08.32 | Ashdurbat | eisregen: ? |
| 21:08.42 | eisregen | s/?/=D/ |
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| 21:08.47 | eisregen | sorry ^^ |
| 21:08.51 | lippel | Ashdurbat: what do you expect from ms ;-) |
| 21:09.01 | _Diavolo | re |
| 21:09.10 | tue | eisregen: it actually reminds me of the way my instructor in mathematics speak. |
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| 21:09.35 | eisregen | tue: sometimes it reminds me of ugly perl hacks ^^ |
| 21:09.43 | lippel | _Diavolo: i suppose you're identical with Diavolos? ;-) |
| 21:09.46 | Ashdurbat | =~P |
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| 21:09.55 | Ashdurbat | (perl smiley) |
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| 21:10.42 | Ashdurbat | No laughs? :( |
| 21:11.02 | Ashdurbat | That was a clever joke. |
| 21:11.05 | Frost^ | so what did I miss? |
| 21:11.07 | tue | you came to close to the truth... |
| 21:11.13 | tue | ( :-) ) |
| 21:11.13 | Ashdurbat | You missed my kickass joke, FrostByte |
| 21:11.16 | Ashdurbat | Frost^: |
| 21:11.27 | Ashdurbat | It's lost now |
| 21:11.32 | Frost^ | haha |
| 21:12.35 | Ashdurbat | lippel: I expect their article to be at least non-shit- |
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| 21:12.44 | Ashdurbat | Point taken |
| 21:13.26 | _Diavolo | lippel:yes, but now my nick was free :D |
| 21:13.43 | lippel | _Diavolo: progress? |
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| 21:14.29 | Diavolo | x11 is compiling, i think the problem is really the nvidia driver |
| 21:14.33 | Diavolo | the new version |
| 21:15.04 | m-e-t | is there a new? |
| 21:15.15 | Diavolo | yes |
| 21:15.17 | Diavolo | 1.0.7xxxx |
| 21:15.22 | Frost^ | nvidia is tricky |
| 21:15.38 | Diavolo | nvidia has cost me many many hours :) |
| 21:15.40 | Frost^ | it works much better for some and breaks everything for others |
| 21:15.42 | m-e-t | nvidia is not as trcky as ati |
| 21:15.49 | Frost^ | fortunately I'm in the former |
| 21:15.54 | Frost^ | ...for now |
| 21:15.54 | Frost^ | :) |
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| 21:19.28 | Ashdurbat | r00tsh3ll: sorry, konversation crashed |
| 21:21.07 | Ashdurbat | Haha |
| 21:21.22 | Ashdurbat | Konversation Terminated! Core dumped! |
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| 21:29.11 | tsb | I've enabled trancluceny on inactive windows etc... yet I don't see any of it. I have direct rendering. What could be wrong? |
| 21:29.47 | njaard | dri doesn't do it, you need Xorg with the compose and a compose manager |
| 21:30.03 | njaard | and you also need to be tolerant of lots of bugs and crashes |
| 21:30.03 | xzz | xcompmgr ? |
| 21:30.16 | PieD | xzz: no, kompmgr :) |
| 21:30.18 | Cerulean | *Composite extension |
| 21:30.27 | njaard | composite, yes |
| 21:30.29 | tsb | njaard, yeah? I probably won't use it, I just wanted to try it out |
| 21:30.47 | Cerulean | tsb: And if you don't have an NVidia you're pretty much out of luck :-( |
| 21:30.56 | tsb | Shite, I'm on ATI |
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| 21:31.15 | tsb | that's a no-go then? |
| 21:31.22 | Cerulean | tsb: Yes :( |
| 21:31.26 | tsb | yarr |
| 21:31.30 | tsb | oh well :) |
| 21:31.32 | PieD | tsb: ask ATI to do good drivers |
| 21:31.35 | Cerulean | tsb: With a few windows semi-transparent it runs at around 1/0.5 fps |
| 21:31.45 | PieD | Cerulean: great score :p |
| 21:31.46 | tsb | what about the rounded corners I keep seeing? xomposite ext as well? |
| 21:31.54 | tsb | Cerulean, LOL |
| 21:32.03 | njaard | tsb: do consider that you're not actually losing out on anything :) |
| 21:32.04 | PieD | here with nvidia I can run Looking Glass at around 50 fps :p |
| 21:32.18 | Cerulean | OoOoh |
| 21:32.21 | PieD | (no, more than 50 fps) |
| 21:32.39 | tsb | haha, I'm not worried |
| 21:32.43 | njaard | nvidia cards probably run looking glass faster than "normal X" |
| 21:32.49 | njaard | because nvidia's 2d is incredibly slow |
| 21:32.50 | PieD | Cerulean: you can take a look at screenshots if you want |
| 21:33.12 | njaard | (and yes, I use an nvidia chip, because it's the only card with actual drivers) |
| 21:33.22 | tsb | When will xorg add REAL 3d support? I want my hardware accelerated desktop like the maccers have! |
| 21:33.37 | tsb | First time I saw exposè in action I almost wet myself |
| 21:33.49 | tsb | It's pretty useless, but cool still. :) |
| 21:33.51 | Cerulean | PieD: Where? |
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| 21:34.07 | PieD | http://pinaraf.robertlan.eu.org/site |
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| 21:34.27 | tsb | oh, lookingglass? |
| 21:34.30 | tsb | dude4545, is that out? |
| 21:34.37 | tsb | i remember seing a movie of it like 2 years ago |
| 21:34.50 | tsb | eh, that should be "dude, is that out" :) |
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| 21:35.31 | Cerulean | I tried it out at the Linux Expo 2004 stand |
| 21:35.34 | apokryphos | it's nice to play around with; cool features. |
| 21:35.41 | PieD | Looking Glass isn't ready yet |
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| 21:35.47 | PieD | but it is getting better :) |
| 21:35.48 | Cerulean | apokryphos: Too bad you couldn't get it working though ;) |
| 21:36.01 | tsb | i realize it's not "released"; I'd have heard about it. |
| 21:36.05 | PieD | currently, they are working a lot at API design |
| 21:36.17 | tsb | is there a beta lying around? |
| 21:36.20 | apokryphos | Cerulean: silence, mortal. |
| 21:36.24 | Alethes | what is looking glass? |
| 21:36.25 | tsb | guess you need nvidia hardware for it |
| 21:36.27 | PieD | tsb: look at my link |
| 21:36.28 | apokryphos | tsb: there's instructions on the site for getting it working.. |
| 21:36.30 | tsb | Alethes, http://pinaraf.robertlan.eu.org/site/LG3D/galerie.php?photo=menu.jpg |
| 21:36.35 | tsb | suns 3d-desktop shot |
| 21:36.40 | PieD | you'll find there any info you want |
| 21:36.41 | Alethes | going |
| 21:36.46 | tsb | PieD, okay cool |
| 21:36.52 | Cerulean | PieD: Worth trying to get it working under an ATI using the open source radeon driver? |
| 21:36.57 | tsb | are you using it daily or just when friends drop by? |
| 21:37.11 | PieD | Cerulean: this is not the LG3D folks work ! |
| 21:37.23 | tsb | it doesn't use x does it? |
| 21:37.30 | PieD | They have enough works with working together with Java3D folks |
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| 21:37.47 | PieD | tsb: it uses X.org 6.8.2, with small patches and special extensions |
| 21:37.48 | Cerulean | PieD: I meant is it worth me giving it a shot. |
| 21:37.52 | Diavolo | hm |
| 21:37.56 | tsb | PieD, k |
| 21:38.00 | PieD | I'm using it when I've time |
| 21:38.07 | Diavolo | i get a message "API mismatch" for X and my nvidia driver |
| 21:38.10 | Diavolo | how can fix that? |
| 21:38.14 | PieD | and when I really don't worry about crashes |
| 21:38.28 | tsb | it's like that 3d desktop switcher... funny a few times, but complete shit to use daily :) |
| 21:38.31 | tsb | just gets in the way |
| 21:38.55 | PieD | tsb: I consider LG3D as better to use daily than a 2D desktop |
| 21:39.03 | apokryphos | tsb: nice to show off momentarily, though ;-) |
| 21:39.05 | Ashdurbat | I like KGet now |
| 21:39.06 | PieD | the only problem is that it is quite unstable :( |
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| 21:39.51 | apokryphos | eisregen: water, water is good. |
| 21:39.53 | eisregen | 3d desktopm in java ? what kind of hardware does one need ? |
| 21:40.23 | PieD | eisregen: because of java, it needs more memory |
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| 21:40.36 | PieD | but the bigger part of the work is the OpenGL one |
| 21:40.49 | PieD | it is done by the graphic card |
| 21:40.56 | PieD | you need a decent graphic card |
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| 21:41.14 | CrazyNorman | Hello |
| 21:41.21 | PieD | so forget LG3D if you're using a Geforce 2 or such old card, with less than 64Mb ! |
| 21:41.24 | eisregen | PieD: ok ... but you get the jni overhead when using OpenGL .. no ? |
| 21:41.39 | PieD | eisregen: it is really really small |
| 21:42.08 | CrazyNorman | Does anyone know if its possible to get alt-tab to use a glass pane system similar to OSX (ie, all the windows from one process get minimized or raised, like the gimp) in KDE? |
| 21:42.10 | PieD | I think that the time lost in CPU is won with an easier development |
| 21:42.24 | PieD | CrazyNorman: do you mean kompose ? |
| 21:42.29 | eisregen | PieD: lol... for the hardware I'm running at home it's anything but small =P |
| 21:42.36 | CrazyNorman | I tried that. |
| 21:42.40 | Diavolo | yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeha |
| 21:42.41 | Diavolo | it works |
| 21:42.42 | CrazyNorman | Not quite what i'm looking for, or else I configured it wrong. |
| 21:42.47 | Diavolo | it was the fucking nvidia driver |
| 21:43.01 | CrazyNorman | For example, if I'm running Glade, and I click one window in it, only that window comes up. |
| 21:43.12 | CrazyNorman | I want it so, I click one window of Glade, and all the glade windows come up. |
| 21:44.05 | CrazyNorman | I'm probably thinking of the wrong term when I say "glass pane." |
| 21:47.54 | CrazyNorman | PieD: Have you gotten kompose to act like that? |
| 21:48.24 | PieD | I don't really understand what you mean |
| 21:48.38 | CrazyNorman | Lets say in one desktop |
| 21:48.43 | PieD | you mean, with MDI apps |
| 21:48.56 | PieD | when clicking on the main app "link" on the taskbar |
| 21:49.03 | PieD | all the windows from that app appears ? |
| 21:49.08 | Diavolo | hm |
| 21:49.10 | CrazyNorman | I was thinking something like that |
| 21:49.16 | Diavolo | i don't get a login screen |
| 21:49.19 | CrazyNorman | Except, they aren't all in one window, but are treated that way by alt-tab or something |
| 21:49.22 | Diavolo | it automatically logs in as root |
| 21:49.24 | PieD | ok, that's not the kompose purpose |
| 21:49.38 | PieD | I only use K apps |
| 21:49.40 | CrazyNorman | Thats what I thought. |
| 21:49.43 | CrazyNorman | k |
| 21:49.44 | PieD | so I don't have that problem |
| 21:49.55 | PieD | they are all tabbed windows :p |
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| 21:50.17 | PieD | my desktop is quite funny : all my apps have tabs ! |
| 21:50.19 | w00dst0ck | hello folks |
| 21:50.20 | CrazyNorman | Do you know any good Form designers? (python compatible) that are K? |
| 21:50.29 | eisregen | PieD: what do you use as Gimp replacement ?*g* |
| 21:50.31 | PieD | Qt Designer ? |
| 21:50.51 | PieD | eisregen: I don't do pictures edition |
| 21:50.55 | eisregen | k ^^ |
| 21:51.03 | PieD | but... krita seems to be a good projekt :p |
| 21:51.06 | Diavolo | help |
| 21:51.15 | Diavolo | why does kde automatically login as root |
| 21:51.23 | CrazyNorman | Do you still need to pay a fee to distribute the app you made under windows |
| 21:51.23 | w00dst0ck | simple question. Haas anyone noticed a strange little bug in firefox under kde. When i'm surfing and I place my mouse of some images (forums especially) they shift over a tiny bit. |
| 21:51.45 | illogic-al | Diavolo: because you set it up that way? |
| 21:51.52 | Diavolo | no :) |
| 21:51.52 | w00dst0ck | This doesnt prevent me from using firefox normally, its just a little annoying. |
| 21:51.59 | eisregen | Diavolo: it doesn't, except you set up the conveinice options .. |
| 21:52.05 | PieD | CrazyNorman: the form designer integrated in kdevelop is good also, but the python compatibility is done with the latest versions |
| 21:52.31 | PieD | (perhaps only the CVS) |
| 21:52.32 | HolyGoat | I wonder if I can keep chatting while I burn this dvd. :) |
| 21:52.32 | CrazyNorman | k |
| 21:52.32 | CrazyNorman | I don't know. |
| 21:52.32 | CrazyNorman | I'd get a bucket of water first. |
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| 21:53.19 | PieD | (trying a new wireless card position... I hope it will be ok) |
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| 21:56.24 | lethal_dose | how can i view smb shares? why does smb:// with konquerer says protocol not suported |
| 21:57.11 | njaard | try smb:/ |
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| 21:58.04 | tsb | By the way what about rounded corners I keep seing on the screens? compmngr as well? |
| 21:58.18 | njaard | what rounded corners? |
| 21:58.33 | njaard | that just might be the SHAPE extension |
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| 21:59.20 | tsb | ah, fine |
| 21:59.32 | tsb | doesn't matter really, just wondered if these things were integrated |
| 21:59.41 | sundial | re topic : you do know that 4.0 is out right |
| 22:00.21 | CrazyNorman | I realized what I'm looking for |
| 22:00.30 | CrazyNorman | Is it possible to get Fluxbox style automatic window tabbing? |
| 22:00.41 | CrazyNorman | wait |
| 22:00.42 | CrazyNorman | nvm |
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| 22:01.35 | sundial | any way - which qt should be used with 4.0 - does qt 3.4 work? |
| 22:02.00 | kayali | 4.0 isn't out ;) |
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| 22:02.14 | sundial | ? i just downloaded it |
| 22:02.23 | kayali | you meant 3.4 I guess ;) |
| 22:03.35 | sundial | yes - sorry |
| 22:03.53 | lethal_dose | njaard, smb:/ also doesnt work |
| 22:04.06 | lethal_dose | njaard, it worked before i upgraded to 3.4 |
| 22:04.11 | sundial | i was thinking gcc 4.0 |
| 22:04.31 | njaard | lethal_dose: so install it :) |
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| 22:04.58 | lethal_dose | njaard, install what? |
| 22:05.38 | njaard | smb support |
| 22:05.54 | sundial | will the at 3.3.4 work with the kde 3.4? |
| 22:06.03 | sundial | will the qt 3.3.4 work with the kde 3.4? |
| 22:06.13 | lethal_dose | njaard, i use gentoo, i dont now the name of the package, i already searched |
| 22:06.23 | njaard | sundial: I run qt 3.3.3 |
| 22:06.36 | sundial | njaard - with the kde 3.4? |
| 22:06.44 | njaard | lethal_dose: I believe it is part of kdebase |
| 22:06.50 | njaard | sundial: yes |
| 22:06.54 | njaard | sundial: I run cvs HEAD |
| 22:06.57 | tsb | lisa? |
| 22:07.09 | njaard | kio_smb |
| 22:07.20 | lethal_dose | njaard, yes it is. but now kdebase was splited into several packages |
| 22:07.40 | kayali | lethal_dose: doesn't having 'samba' in your useflag push all required packages when you emerge kdebase or konqi ? |
| 22:08.00 | njaard | lethal_dose: I don't know about gentoo |
| 22:08.15 | kayali | lethal_dose: and the monolothinc ebuilds are still there until 4.0 btw |
| 22:08.24 | kayali | monolithic |
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| 22:08.32 | kayali | what a strange word |
| 22:09.16 | njaard | mono=one lith=stone |
| 22:09.35 | sundial | monolith -> 2001 a space oddessy |
| 22:10.14 | tsb | lol |
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| 22:11.51 | sundial | was konqueror originally an addon to kde or part of the 'plan'? |
| 22:12.22 | elcuco | part of the plan |
| 22:13.11 | sundial | is there a reason you never hear of konqueror when they talk of firefox, mozilla, ie etc |
| 22:13.36 | Alethes | probably 'cause konq doesn't use gecko like those other browser do |
| 22:13.37 | Alethes | browser |
| 22:13.38 | Alethes | s |
| 22:13.45 | njaard | because we have virtually no market share |
| 22:13.56 | njaard | even though Konqueror is the best web browser currently in existence |
| 22:13.59 | sundial | but it 'seems' to be so much faster and cleaner |
| 22:14.00 | njaard | existance |
| 22:14.03 | lethal_dose | kayali, konqueror doesnt have the samba flag, and i dont like the monolitic ebuilds |
| 22:14.18 | PieD | sundial: it doesn't only seem to be faster :p |
| 22:14.37 | PieD | it is the faster to start ! |
| 22:14.39 | ponto | konqueror lacks ad blocking, besides that it is the best browser |
| 22:14.45 | Ashdurbat | njaard: Excluding lynx, of course |
| 22:14.53 | Ashdurbat | Which has the best ad blocking I've ever seen |
| 22:14.57 | kayali | ponto: ad blocking? |
| 22:14.58 | PieD | ponto: ad blocking ? easy ! |
| 22:15.00 | Ashdurbat | :^P |
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| 22:15.08 | ponto | PieD: how? |
| 22:15.10 | njaard | if you don't want to see the ads, don't look at them :) |
| 22:15.12 | PieD | squid is my friend |
| 22:15.21 | ponto | PieD: without using any proxy |
| 22:15.28 | PieD | harder :/ |
| 22:15.33 | Alethes | I use a custom stylesheet and /etc/hosts to block ads |
| 22:15.34 | PieD | edit /etc/hosts |
| 22:15.41 | PieD | :) |
| 22:15.53 | njaard | body { font-family: sans-serif ! important; } |
| 22:15.55 | sundial | how can you see ads with javascript disabled? |
| 22:15.58 | njaard | that is my custom stylesheet :) |
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| 22:16.36 | tsb | adblocking is morally questionable imo. anyway, opera > all. =) |
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| 22:16.53 | ponto | PieD: one often does not want to block the whole server. only some folders on it. |
| 22:17.03 | PieD | did somebody see the latest new about opera ? |
| 22:17.10 | PieD | the opera8 beta3 su |
