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| 00:17.49 | ironfroggy | im having trouble with k3b complaining about not being able to allocate memory, but i have plenty. what might i be doing wrong? |
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| 00:20.41 | Metrol | Not enough space in /tmp? |
| 00:21.05 | ironfroggy | i have plenty of space. ive just got done clearing out a few gigs of junk on my drive. |
| 00:21.54 | Metrol | Well, you could try pointing k3b to a different place for it's cache storage. Maybe a directory under your $HOME perhaps? |
| 00:22.58 | ironfroggy | its all on one disc, that shouldn't make a difference.. |
| 00:23.35 | Metrol | If you're sure /tmp isn't it's own partition, then I dunno |
| 00:24.01 | Metrol | Or /var/tmp... depending on where it's pointing by default |
| 00:24.49 | ironfroggy | yeah its all on one. and i just checked, ive got 15 gig free. more free than ive had in years. |
| 00:25.20 | Metrol | Is cdrecord and cdrdao set SUID? |
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| 00:25.47 | Metrol | Mind you, I've never had this problem myself... just taking some stabs at possible glitchies |
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| 00:26.12 | ironfroggy | hmm... cdrecord is saying "Cannot get SCSI I/O buffer" |
| 00:26.32 | Metrol | Sounds like you're starting into your real problem |
| 00:26.48 | Metrol | What OS are you running? |
| 00:27.06 | ironfroggy | Gentoo |
| 00:27.21 | ironfroggy | ive never had trouble with this before.. and i burn all the time. |
| 00:27.32 | ImNotMark | when did it start happening? |
| 00:27.39 | ironfroggy | -rws--x--- 1 root burning 349500 Oct 23 03:46 /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 00:27.41 | ironfroggy | just today. |
| 00:27.47 | Metrol | I'd give a real hard look at your /dev permissions |
| 00:27.51 | ImNotMark | did any changes to the system? |
| 00:27.54 | ironfroggy | im moving in two days and i will not have this computer for weeks. i need my files! |
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| 00:28.11 | ironfroggy | i dont remember changing anything device related or cdrecording related. |
| 00:28.39 | Metrol | Is it possible you opened up permissions, then later performed a system update |
| 00:28.50 | Metrol | That used to bite me a lot :( |
| 00:28.51 | s3m10s | so how is the release schedule going for 3.4 gold? |
| 00:29.00 | ironfroggy | Metrol: how should i check that? |
| 00:29.17 | Metrol | Thing is, I'm not sure which devices you need permissions to |
| 00:29.29 | ironfroggy | my personal user account owns the cd device, so permissions shouldn't be an issue. |
| 00:29.35 | Metrol | On FreeBSD here, which is a different kinda beast when it comes to permissions |
| 00:29.53 | ironfroggy | been thinking of a switch to FreeBSD, or at least trying it out. |
| 00:30.21 | Metrol | Over here I need the cd, as well as other pass through devices as the CD burnin stuff sees the drive as SCSI |
| 00:30.29 | Metrol | Even if it's an IDE drive |
| 00:30.29 | ImNotMark | FreeBSD has poor hardwear support |
| 00:30.53 | ironfroggy | linux recently moved away from that scsi emulation route, if i remember correctly. |
| 00:31.04 | Metrol | It all works sweet here, but that's for another time |
| 00:31.06 | ironfroggy | or, at least, it is done transparently or something. |
| 00:31.32 | ImNotMark | i wonder if kde 3.4 is still masked for my system |
| 00:31.34 | Metrol | Might need to go reading through some of that Gentoo web site |
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| 00:31.50 | Metrol | They've got quite a bit up there about all kinds of stuff |
| 00:32.05 | ironfroggy | trying to find some help on #gentoo, but its so crowded. |
| 00:32.26 | Billthe4th | does anyone know where keyboard shortcuts are stored please? |
| 00:32.36 | Billthe4th | i loose all my shortcuts when i restart |
| 00:32.53 | Billthe4th | although when i goto control centre and try to set them again they are all listed |
| 00:33.02 | Billthe4th | and i just have to click apply and they all come back |
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| 00:35.17 | Metrol | shortcuts are stored in $HOME/.kde/config/kdeglobals |
| 00:35.56 | Billthe4th | thankyou |
| 00:36.07 | ImNotMark | isnt it $HOME/.kde/share/config |
| 00:36.18 | Metrol | woops, you're right |
| 00:36.25 | Ringwraith` | give him karma! |
| 00:36.27 | Metrol | shortcuts are stored in $HOME/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals |
| 00:36.33 | Billthe4th | got it cheers :) |
| 00:37.13 | Billthe4th | ah yeah |
| 00:37.28 | Billthe4th | i set custom command shortcuts too |
| 00:37.50 | Billthe4th | for example to load terminal, web browser etc. |
| 00:38.07 | Billthe4th | they dont seem to be listed in kdeglobals... should they be? |
| 00:38.15 | ironfroggy | running k3b-setup seems to have fixed it, just be reapplying the settings. |
| 00:38.38 | Metrol | ironfroggy: Very cool! |
| 00:39.17 | Metrol | Billthe4th: khotkeysrc might have some of your stuff |
| 00:39.27 | ironfroggy | maybe a k3b-apply-settings script could be run as root at k3b start (optionally?) to fix such problems in the background? |
| 00:39.55 | Metrol | ironfroggy: Too many variables with the different OS's I'd guess |
| 00:40.30 | ironfroggy | shouldn't be any harm in reapplying settings the user already chose. |
| 00:41.08 | Metrol | I'd bet most k3b problems had to do with /dev permissions and such |
| 00:41.39 | ironfroggy | yeah ive seen lots of such issues before. |
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| 00:42.32 | Billthe4th | thanks Metrol the shortcuts are in khotkeysrc |
| 00:42.39 | Metrol | Very cool |
| 00:43.29 | Billthe4th | can i just put a script to replace khotkeysrc with the correct one in my Autostart or something? |
| 00:44.23 | Metrol | Shouldn't need to |
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| 00:44.35 | Oleg_ | I wanna change my name. |
| 00:44.36 | Metrol | Check the permissions on the file in question |
| 00:44.45 | ImNotMark | hrmmm all these superkaramba themes i download thery all want /sbin/ip to find my ip but i dont have it |
| 00:44.53 | Oleg_ | I regret I didn't change it when I became a citizen of the USA |
| 00:45.02 | Billthe4th | -rw------- |
| 00:45.33 | Billthe4th | i am owner |
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| 00:46.14 | Metrol | Billthe4th: something else goofy is going on there |
| 00:46.20 | Billthe4th | yeah |
| 00:46.24 | Billthe4th | it's really annoying |
| 00:46.33 | Metrol | I could imagine |
| 00:46.37 | Billthe4th | i havent changed anything important |
| 00:46.52 | Billthe4th | this is pretty much a fresh install |
| 00:46.57 | Billthe4th | (suse 9.2) |
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| 00:47.09 | Garibaldi_ | Hey all, I'm trying to login to KDE and X locks up when the banner says "Setting up interprocess communications" |
| 00:47.23 | Metrol | Billthe4th: I wonder if Suse is doing something funky with the kiosk to setting up new users |
| 00:47.26 | Garibaldi_ | I have to ctrl-alt-sysrq-s-u-b to restart |
| 00:47.34 | Garibaldi_ | anyone have any idea what might be causing that? |
| 00:47.47 | Garibaldi_ | I've tried removing my .kde3.3 directory, but that didn't help |
| 00:47.58 | Metrol | Garibaldi_: Try clearing out any and all kde related file in /tmp |
| 00:48.03 | Metrol | files that is |
| 00:48.06 | Garibaldi_ | Metrol: ok, let me try that |
| 00:48.33 | Billthe4th | what is the kiosk sorry Metrol ? |
| 00:48.55 | Metrol | Billthe4th: too much to get into here... probably not the case anyway |
| 00:49.03 | Billthe4th | ok then |
| 00:49.11 | Metrol | The kiosk is a way to centralize default settings for admins |
| 00:50.00 | Metrol | Well, for users by admins I should say |
| 00:50.49 | Billthe4th | uh huh |
| 00:50.53 | Billthe4th | i see it, kiosktool |
| 00:51.59 | Garibaldi_ | Metrol: I still get the same behavior |
| 00:52.08 | Metrol | It's possible to prevent you from making changes to user settings with the right kiosk configs |
| 00:52.24 | Metrol | Garibaldi_: Did you see any .ICE or X files in /tmp? |
| 00:52.27 | Billthe4th | yeah i see |
| 00:52.40 | Garibaldi_ | I dropped down to runlevel 1, removed everything from /tmp (including the .xxx directories), then rebooted |
| 00:53.04 | Metrol | Garibaldi_: You might also look for .ICE files in your home dir |
| 00:53.06 | Garibaldi_ | Metrol: yeah, I blew away the .ICE and .X11 directories too |
| 00:53.09 | Garibaldi_ | Metrol: ok |
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| 00:56.38 | Ashdurbat | Kopete is having a hell of a time trying to remove contacts from my list |
| 00:57.14 | Metrol | Kopete is a tempermental little thingy |
| 00:58.09 | Garibaldi_ | Metrol: same behavior :-( |
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| 00:58.25 | Metrol | Damn, that usually fixes that glitch |
| 00:59.07 | Metrol | Can you start KDE with a brand new user? |
| 00:59.41 | Metrol | I'll brb |
| 01:01.03 | Garibaldi_ | hum, that's a good idea |
| 01:01.05 | Garibaldi_ | let me try |
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| 01:04.27 | Garibaldi_ | Metrol: no |
| 01:04.56 | Garibaldi_ | Metrol: I went through the "yay, this is your first time with kde" wizard, afterwards it dies at the same place. |
| 01:05.20 | Garibaldi_ | I've tried reinstalling kdelibs and kdebase, that didn't seem to help either. |
| 01:07.37 | Metrol | This one jumped over my head then |
| 01:08.20 | Garibaldi_ | :-( |
| 01:08.41 | Garibaldi_ | well, thanks for trying |
| 01:08.57 | Metrol | Not a problem... wish it could have worked out better for ya though |
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| 01:11.04 | Garibaldi_ | yeah, I have a conference presentation on Friday |
| 01:11.12 | Garibaldi_ | need to get something working |
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| 01:13.21 | Garibaldi_ | I'll try reinstalling all of kde, and see what that gets me. |
| 01:13.24 | Garibaldi_ | thanks again |
| 01:13.27 | Metrol | Good luck! |
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| 01:18.42 | ^JM^ | amarok isnt is kde wencvs? |
| 01:18.49 | ^JM^ | webcvs* |
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| 01:24.11 | mobtek | ^JM^: nope amaroK is a application separate to KDE |
| 01:24.15 | mobtek | an even |
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| 01:25.49 | Mano1979 | Does anyone know a program wich plays and orders my MP3 FILES? |
| 01:26.37 | mobtek | amaroK |
| 01:26.44 | mobtek | or JuK |
| 01:26.56 | ^JM^ | with cervisia is only possible to update? isnt possible checkout? |
| 01:27.11 | Mano1979 | wELL I NEED SOMETHING THAT ORDERS MY MP3'S ON THE HARD DRIVE LIKE ITUNES DOES |
| 01:27.29 | Tronic | XMMS has quite horrible UI and lacks several features, but I still think that it's the best option. |
| 01:27.53 | Tronic | Mano1979: There are several apps for that (but I guess that they won't play the files). |
| 01:28.19 | Mano1979 | XMMS give's a terrible false sound and i don't like it |
| 01:28.31 | Mano1979 | tronic; can you name one? |
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| 01:32.32 | Tronic | Mano1979: SmarTagger, mp3check (and the other program with the same name), prokyon3, ... |
| 01:32.36 | Tronic | Bah. |
| 01:33.42 | Tronic | I *totally* hate it when people quit irc right before you can answer their questions. |
| 01:36.46 | Ashdurbat | afk |
| 01:37.07 | The3_14ed|er | heh |
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| 01:46.24 | mobtek | Tronic: xmms is shite :) |
| 01:46.38 | mobtek | juk and and especially amaroK kick butt :) |
| 01:47.52 | The3_14ed|er | heh |
| 01:48.12 | The3_14ed|er | amar0xx0rz? |
| 01:48.23 | mobtek | hahaha |
| 01:48.30 | mobtek | is does r0xx0rz |
| 01:49.17 | Tronic | juk and amarok both crash when I try to load my collection on them. |
| 01:49.38 | Tronic | (too many songs) |
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| 01:50.29 | mobtek | Tronic: I can load more than 6gb worth of songs on either :) |
| 01:50.37 | mobtek | or is it about 8 now hehehe |
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| 01:52.55 | mobtek | Tronic: what distro are you using? |
| 01:54.46 | Tronic | You are more than order of magnitude away from what I am talking here. |
| 01:55.07 | Tronic | Gentoo, on all desktops, of course. |
| 01:55.25 | annma | <cough> |
| 01:55.43 | The3_14ed|er | Tronic: you mentioned the g-word in annma's presence |
| 01:56.06 | illogic-al | lol |
| 01:56.10 | annma | :> |
| 01:56.15 | The3_14ed|er | heh |
| 01:56.16 | illogic-al | hey annma |
| 01:56.21 | annma | hi illogic-al :) |
| 01:56.24 | annma | hi The3_14ed|er |
| 01:56.25 | illogic-al | und das The3_14ed|er |
| 01:57.03 | illogic-al | The3_14ed|er: probs? |
| 01:57.24 | The3_14ed|er | anytime I try to do anything other than move the mouse around or type, X just freezes on me for a bit while X takes up ~99% cpu |
| 01:57.49 | annma | hmmm |
| 01:57.53 | The3_14ed|er | the mouse doesn't move, and I might or might not be able to see updates in gkrellm or ksysguard |
| 01:58.39 | illogic-al | if it worked w/ 6.7 then X is to blame |
| 01:58.45 | illogic-al | or gentoo }:-) |
| 01:58.55 | The3_14ed|er | heh |
| 01:58.59 | illogic-al | flip a coin and lay your blame :-) |
| 01:59.05 | The3_14ed|er | hehheh |
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| 01:59.18 | The3_14ed|er | !;) |
| 01:59.22 | illogic-al | ooch |
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| 02:01.22 | fuzzbawl | hey all. I'm using KDM on bootup, but I'd like ssh-agent to get launched for my user when I login so all my apps can access my ssh keys |
| 02:02.18 | fuzzbawl | but I have no idea where KDM makes it's window manager launch call at or how to get ssh-agent to fire on boot so that session works with it. any ideas? |
| 02:02.33 | illogic-al | will krdp work so that someone on an XP computer will be able to connect to a KDE machine? |
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| 02:02.55 | mobtek | Tronic: hehe same here gentoo :) |
| 02:03.10 | je4d | fuzzbawl: KDM should source your bashrc, so try starting it in there |
| 02:03.36 | Tronic | When it comes to desktop use, there really isn't much debate over that... |
| 02:03.57 | Tronic | On servers, Debian is a fine choice, but there are many others as well. |
| 02:04.09 | Tronic | (well, /some/ others, at least) |
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| 02:05.09 | Latem | what, why is gentoo the best for desktop |
| 02:05.11 | handpaper | I'm having trouble configuring artsd - can anyone help? |
| 02:05.12 | Latem | ? |
| 02:05.21 | Latem | whats wrong with Mandrake, or Suse? |
| 02:05.22 | annma | Latem: no, it's not |
| 02:05.33 | handpaper | Coincidentally, on Gentoo :) |
| 02:05.33 | annma | they're all ok |
| 02:06.03 | mobtek | hehe Suse is ok |
| 02:06.03 | Tronic | Easiest (not fastest) to install, has all the games (even commercial ones) available via package management, has more software, has more recent versions. |
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| 02:06.17 | grepper | handpaper: what's to configure ? |
| 02:06.19 | mobtek | mandrake I find is a bit like My First Linux |
| 02:06.22 | mobtek | :P |
| 02:06.41 | Latem | is My First Linux a distro? |
| 02:06.42 | grepper | mobtek: which it pretty much was here |
| 02:06.53 | mobtek | grepper: ? |
| 02:06.54 | handpaper | I'm not running it as part of a full KDE desktop |
| 02:07.05 | mobtek | Latem: kekeke |
| 02:07.06 | fuzzbawl | k, thanks je4d |
| 02:07.13 | handpaper | I'm trying to get sound over a network |
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| 02:07.25 | Tronic | For advanced users, the flexibility of build options is very nice. Being able to select exactly which functions are to be included in the programs installed. |
| 02:07.53 | mobtek | Tronic: it's vera powerful, sorta like a freebsd :P |
| 02:08.21 | Quinn_Storm | anyone know perhaps why screensavers aren't starting on kde/freeBSD? they work fine in the kcontrol module (both the mini version & test), but they will never start no matter how long the computer is left idle, even with the autostart option turned on |
| 02:08.26 | Tronic | (where other distros just ship some package, often lacking JACK support, MP3 support, W32CODEC support or whatever that you might find useful, and then you'll be installing it by hand) |
| 02:08.48 | handpaper | grepper - the box doing the decoding has no /dev/dsp |
| 02:09.06 | Tronic | Quinn_Storm: Try running (starting) xscreensaver on a terminal. |
| 02:09.20 | grepper | handpaper: you are using alsa ? |
| 02:09.26 | Tronic | If that fixes the problem, then your KDE probably isn't running it on startup for some reason. |
| 02:09.32 | Quinn_Storm | Tronic: kde doesn't use xscreensaver, it calls the xscreensaver separate binaries |
| 02:09.42 | grepper | if you are using alsas drivers, pick the oss sound system to get oss emulation |
| 02:09.43 | Tronic | Oh, ok. |
| 02:09.53 | grepper | s/alsas/alsa |
| 02:10.03 | Tronic | I only use the KDE WM, not the desktop. |
| 02:10.30 | Tronic | (however, I consider getting rid of the wm too, because it loads *so* slowly) |
| 02:10.57 | mobtek | really? |
| 02:11.11 | mobtek | should take about a second :P |
| 02:11.12 | handpaper | grepper - The client machine is an x86 running Mandrake 10.1, all the bells and whistles |
| 02:11.29 | handpaper | No, no alsa |
| 02:11.49 | grepper | and your sound works other than artsd ? |
| 02:12.18 | handpaper | Sound works locally, but the box is too slow with complex MIDIs |
| 02:12.25 | Quinn_Storm | I just set it to autostart after 1 minute, and sat and watched xclock tick through a whole minute and a half, with no screensaver startup |
| 02:12.47 | grepper | er, you are talking about midi ? |
| 02:12.55 | handpaper | So I'm trying to get the Bloody Great Sun Box to do the hard work |
| 02:13.02 | Tronic | mobtek: My laptop is a 1.8 GHz P4-M w/ only 512 megs of RAM and a very slow HDD. It does take like forever to load. |
| 02:13.16 | Tronic | (even after the desktop has otherwise finished loading) |
| 02:13.21 | grepper | midi doesn't take much resources I thought |
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| 02:13.34 | handpaper | It does in software :( |
| 02:13.46 | mobtek | Tronic: bizarreness |
| 02:14.07 | slayerbob | Tronic: i have a 500MHz P3 with 256MB RAM and a very slow HDD and KDE loads in maybe 10 seconds |
| 02:14.08 | mobtek | that should be enough to have kde up and running in about 10 secs |
| 02:14.12 | Quinn_Storm | Tronic: it must be the hdd, I've got a desktop here w/ "only" 512MB ram and a 1.2GHz Athlon and KDE loads quite quickly...of course I"m running under FreeBSD...though I remember it loading almost as fast under Linux |
| 02:14.15 | mobtek | haha slackd00d |
| 02:14.19 | mobtek | slayerbob even |
| 02:14.23 | Tronic | Remember that the WM must start whatever KDE stuff it relies on (that would normally get started by the kde session manager). |
| 02:14.24 | grepper | handpaper: ah, what card do you have ? |
| 02:14.34 | slayerbob | the tab completion monster strikes again :P |
| 02:14.35 | mobtek | Tronic: got udma running on the hdd's? |
| 02:14.42 | Quinn_Storm | Tronic: not to mention until something starts leaking memory (I think xorg has a slow leak), I never even touch my swapfile |
| 02:14.56 | handpaper | SBLive - emu10k driver |
| 02:15.11 | Tronic | mobtek: Yeah, and unmark IRQ, 32 bit I/O, -m16. |
| 02:15.14 | mobtek | Quinn_Storm: I found running tail -f var/log/syslog in konsole was leaking into swap for some reason |
| 02:15.17 | grepper | handpaper: that card does hw midi, I"m using it here |
| 02:15.19 | Tronic | *unmask |
| 02:15.23 | Tronic | IRQ |
| 02:15.26 | mobtek | stopped it and no swap usage now :) |
| 02:15.29 | handpaper | driver? |
| 02:15.37 | grepper | emu10k |
| 02:15.42 | mobtek | Tronic: is this a dell laptop? |
| 02:15.43 | mobtek | :P |
| 02:15.45 | handpaper | ?? |
| 02:15.48 | Tronic | mobtek: HP. |
| 02:15.50 | grepper | emu10k1 |
| 02:15.56 | mobtek | if so hammerthrow it through a window :) |
| 02:16.06 | mobtek | ahh the HP's aren't too bad |
| 02:16.12 | Tronic | HP-Compaq are the only ones that have decent keyboards :/ |
| 02:16.43 | aseigo | ever notice how only software gets bigger when it leaks? |
| 02:16.45 | Tronic | IBM has pretty good layout as well, but they have messed up the left Ctrl key. |
| 02:16.52 | aseigo | i mean... a pool leaks.. the water level drops |
| 02:16.56 | Tronic | The Fn key is where the Ctrl should be. |
| 02:16.57 | grepper | handpaper: switch to alsa, then load your sound fonts and you should be set |
| 02:16.58 | Quinn_Storm | mobtek: heh, strange...I think mine might be related to my screensaver not starting problem...b/c XOrg's usage climbs and climbs over time, or at least seems to, it starts out at less than 90,000 VmSize and climbs to over 500,000 VmSize sometimes |
| 02:16.59 | aseigo | a tire leaks... it goes flat and gets smaller |
| 02:17.03 | handpaper | Yep, driver is emu10k1 |
| 02:17.06 | aseigo | what else leaks BUT gets bigger |
| 02:17.39 | slayerbob | lol |
| 02:18.21 | slayerbob | it would be quite easy to construct a physical system that grew in size as it leaked |
| 02:18.41 | slayerbob | simple case: a pressurised container within a balloon |
| 02:19.04 | aseigo | the balloon would leak and the container would grow? |
| 02:19.08 | slayerbob | lol |
| 02:19.27 | slayerbob | :P |
| 02:19.29 | aseigo | GLAREOFF! |
| 02:19.33 | grepper | babies grow when certain containers leak |
| 02:19.37 | mobtek | Quinn_Storm: hmm weirdness as well, the only xorg probs I have atm are with 3.4.0-rc1 and random xorg restarts, all the time if I have translucency enabled :), but with shadows, it's only occasionally :P |
| 02:19.58 | Tronic | An empty balloon grows if it leaks. |
| 02:20.06 | mobtek | hahah grepper |
| 02:20.11 | Quinn_Storm | mobtek: the XOrg leak could easily be the result of something leaking pixmaps or something, a component of kde that is, or some other app I'm running on it, so a message to the freedesktop.org mailing list says, so perhaps I have something leaking pixmaps. next time I see it happening I'll close apps one by one to see what owns them... |
| 02:20.31 | mobtek | Quinn_Storm: yuppers thats my thought too |
| 02:20.47 | slayerbob | aseigo: perhaps you could design a new type of memory leak that caused a program to decrease in memory usage :) |
| 02:20.58 | mobtek | aseigo: please do! |
| 02:21.07 | Tronic | slayerbob: Random calls to free() would do. |
| 02:21.15 | slayerbob | you could test it on oleg :P |
| 02:21.34 | Quinn_Storm | rofl@slayerbob |
| 02:21.43 | Quinn_Storm | &Tronic |
| 02:22.17 | slayerbob | have not seen tronic about much, but i doubt he is as annoying as oleg :P |
| 02:23.53 | mobtek | heh |
| 02:23.55 | aseigo | slayerbob: heh.. what a wonderful idea! |
| 02:24.10 | Quinn_Storm | lol |
| 02:25.25 | slayerbob | :P |
| 02:26.05 | Quinn_Storm | I do want to point out how amazed I am that all the complexity of KDE (or gnome or whatever) can load in 512MB ram, including plenty of apps like Firefox and such, and still barely touch my swapfile...while in windows it hits the swapfile at boot just about, and under normal usage has like 300MB in swap |
| 02:26.33 | slayerbob | Quinn_Storm: that sounds a little excessive even for windows :S |
| 02:26.43 | Quinn_Storm | slayerbob: well it is windows xp |
| 02:27.05 | slayerbob | windows xp is nowhere near as nice as kde+linux, but it still should not behave that badly :S |
| 02:27.40 | Quinn_Storm | slayerbob: well it could be one app I use that does expose-like functionality, it keeps screenshots of all the windows in many scaled sizes in ram |
| 02:27.45 | slayerbob | winxp should pretty much fly on a 512MB machine... |
| 02:27.50 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 02:27.55 | slayerbob | yes that might do it :P |
| 02:28.06 | mobtek | Quinn_Storm: I don't get that in my winXP box |
| 02:28.21 | Quinn_Storm | slayerbob: I do indeed keep my ad-aware & spybot & etc. up to date...and in general it runs okay but freebsd & even linux beat it by a decent amount |
| 02:28.27 | mobtek | unless I really start hammering it :) |
| 02:28.38 | Quinn_Storm | mobtek: well I tend to hammer my machines in general, lol |
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| 02:29.03 | slayerbob | Quinn_Storm: the fact that you even have adaware and spybot installed suggests to me that you might be having things installed on it automatically that can cause problems... |
| 02:29.27 | mobtek | Quinn_Storm: hehe I do this machine |
| 02:29.29 | mobtek | :) |
| 02:29.43 | slayerbob | i kick my machine :P |
| 02:29.45 | mobtek | which is why I have 10 virtual desktops |
| 02:29.46 | slayerbob | works a treat :D |
| 02:29.53 | mobtek | slayerbob: I lick mine a lot |
| 02:30.06 | Latem | lick or kick? |
| 02:30.10 | Pupeno | What program do you recomend to turn wavs into ogg vorbis ? |
| 02:30.10 | Quinn_Storm | slayerbob: no...I just have them on in case I screw up somehow, I use firefox and such, so I don't really get crapware installed (use gaim for IM, etc.), but I keep them around & run once in a while in case a worm gets through 3 levels of nat firewalling (thanks to a bizarre network setup that requires such insanity) |
| 02:30.34 | slayerbob | Quinn_Storm: hmmm |
| 02:30.44 | Latem | Pupeno, wav2mp3 |
| 02:30.45 | slayerbob | Quinn_Storm: and the same system runs fine under linux ? |
| 02:30.45 | Quinn_Storm | Pupeno: if you're not afraid of the command-line, oggenc should be fine for you |
| 02:30.50 | mobtek | kekeke |
| 02:31.01 | mobtek | oggenc -q 10 or whatever it is :) |
| 02:31.20 | Pupeno | I'm not afraid, but my wife needs a GUI, something that is KDE friendly prefered, since she uses KDE (me too). |
| 02:31.26 | Quinn_Storm | slayerbob: yeah, like I said it runs fine under winxp, just better under linux/freebsd...I'm pretty sure its just things like that winplosion program using extra ram. |
| 02:31.35 | slayerbob | ah :P |
| 02:31.39 | slayerbob | as you said :P |
| 02:32.00 | aseigo | Pupeno: hrm.. does kaudiocreator do that? or is it CD's only? |
| 02:32.15 | Quinn_Storm | I still want to figure if I can get the performance of my debian install up to something matching my freeBSD install |
| 02:32.19 | Pupeno | she normally uses audiocd:// to rip CDs, but now she needs to turn wavs into oggs. |
| 02:32.37 | Quinn_Storm | well, really I'd rather get my ubuntu install up since debian is still stuck on xfree rather than xorg |
| 02:36.30 | Pupeno | kaudiocreator doesn't work for files. |
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| 02:37.43 | handpaper | Quinn_Storm - back before I discovered transcode, and while I was still dual-booting, I used an app called DVDx for ripping and encoding. It ran about 30% faster on Wine than native, and allowed me to cache twice as much data in RAM. This was under Win98 - is XP's memory management any better? |
| 02:38.24 | Quinn_Storm | handpaper: yeah XP's memory management is a lot better, I avoid 9x like the plague and advise everyone else to do the same |
| 02:38.50 | slayerbob | handpaper: winxp has the nt kernel so it has fairly decent memory management |
| 02:38.54 | slayerbob | by microsoft standards at least |
| 02:39.06 | SteamedPenguin | slayerbob: which isn't exactly saying much |
| 02:39.17 | slayerbob | :P |
| 02:40.24 | handpaper | I'll be killing off my last Windows box soon - the kids have discovered that Learning Land runs better under Wine than native, too :) |
| 02:40.32 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 02:40.45 | aseigo | Linux is Learning Land. |
| 02:40.53 | slayerbob | i only keep my windows install because i am too lazy to make the games i like work under linux :P |
| 02:41.00 | aseigo | i'm too lazy to play games. |
| 02:41.07 | slayerbob | aseigo: :P |
| 02:41.10 | handpaper | And they can print from the Linux box... |
| 02:41.14 | Quinn_Storm | slayerbob: lol...I keep my windows install in case I want to develop cross-platform apps |
| 02:41.33 | slayerbob | Quinn_Storm: oh you can develop gtk apps on linux too |
| 02:41.34 | underlord | sim city 3000 is a nice game, the only one i bother to play actualy, and it has a linux port too |
| 02:41.38 | slayerbob | you don't need windows for that |
| 02:41.49 | handpaper | Win98 doesn't like HP LaserJet print drivers |
| 02:41.53 | Quinn_Storm | slayerbob: lol, I mean so I can test stuff under each platform I want to release for |
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| 02:42.04 | Quinn_Storm | slayerbob: that's why this box triple-boots windows/freebsd/linux |
| 02:42.06 | slayerbob | handpaper: win98 has no problems at all with laserjet printer drivers... |
| 02:42.21 | slayerbob | Quinn_Storm: vmware is your friend :) |
| 02:42.22 | Quinn_Storm | and soon I hope to add PearPC and darwin or even OSX to that mess |
| 02:42.33 | Quinn_Storm | slayerbob: not when developing OpenGL apps, lol |
| 02:42.38 | slayerbob | :P |
| 02:42.43 | handpaper | It does if you want to use JetDirect |
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| 02:43.55 | slayerbob | handpaper: has always worked fine for me |
| 02:44.04 | slayerbob | although it has been a while since i have done anything with win98 |
| 02:44.16 | handpaper | Lucky you :) |
| 02:44.38 | slayerbob | i imagine that jetdirect compatibility is only being pursued with win2k+ now... |
| 02:44.42 | Quinn_Storm | I say for lower-end hardware if you absolutely can't make xp work (even turning off themes and stuff) at least try 2k before you go with 98 (and from what I've heard, avoid ME like the plague) |
| 02:44.44 | slayerbob | i suggest trying an older version |
| 02:44.49 | slayerbob | or linux :P |
| 02:45.09 | thiago | why "like the plague"? |
| 02:45.10 | slayerbob | Quinn_Storm: xp works fine on anything that will run win2k |
| 02:45.17 | thiago | that implies it isn't the plague |
| 02:45.21 | slayerbob | yeah the plague is much easier to cure |
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| 02:45.34 | Quinn_Storm | slayerbob: okay, never ran into anything I couldn't put xp on so that confirms that |
| 02:45.47 | handpaper | 2k might work - but on a PII-350 with 64MB of ram, I don't think I want to try:) |
| 02:45.50 | Ashdurbat | At least the plague is free |
| 02:45.51 | Quinn_Storm | slayerbob: of course I never tried on ancient P-133 systems or anything |
| 02:46.01 | slayerbob | :P |
| 02:46.04 | Quinn_Storm | handpaper: I've done XP on a similar system |
| 02:46.15 | Quinn_Storm | handpaper: just turn off all the graphical doodads |
| 02:46.20 | handpaper | Ouch - boot time? |
| 02:46.24 | slayerbob | i just installed server 2003 on an ancient machine with no ram |
| 02:46.29 | slayerbob | have been very impressed so far |
| 02:46.34 | thiago | no RAM? |
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| 02:46.39 | slayerbob | well... 256MB |
| 02:46.41 | thiago | computers don't boot anymore without RAM |
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| 02:47.08 | Quinn_Storm | handpaper: hmm, I rarely reboot it...not too long...it connects to the wireless network in the house and forms one of the links in my bizarre network, ICS-sharing the connection to a linksys "router" that then shares it to my desktop |
| 02:47.15 | handpaper | Quinn_Storm -just turn off all the graphical doodads -- and make it look like '98? |
| 02:47.18 | SteamedPenguin | but but but Eugenia can make WIndows XP work just fine on 128 megs of RAM! |
| 02:47.21 | aseigo | heh. 256MB.. no ram. .hehe. |
| 02:47.30 | Quinn_Storm | handpaper: yeah, it may look like 98 but it functions far better |
| 02:47.30 | aseigo | Eugenia sees pink elephants. |
| 02:47.34 | aseigo | or so i've heard. |
| 02:47.37 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: hah hah |
| 02:47.45 | aseigo | but they run away whenever she complains to them about how they parade aobut |
| 02:47.53 | aseigo | she thinks they should go clockwise, for the obvoius reasons |
| 02:47.57 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: they didn't follow the manual? |
| 02:48.01 | Ashdurbat | 256 isn't no ram |
| 02:48.03 | aseigo | they think she should piss off. so she blogs about them or something. |
| 02:48.12 | Ashdurbat | 32 MB is no ram |
| 02:48.21 | Ashdurbat | For a GUI |
| 02:48.25 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: man I think I love you. |
| 02:48.25 | aseigo | heh.. |
| 02:48.26 | slayerbob | Ashdurbat: oh come on... noone would have only 32MB on anything other than a thin client |
| 02:48.31 | Quinn_Storm | Ashdurbat: tell me about it...I was stuck on that for a while...even xfce had trouble |
| 02:48.40 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: speaking of which. did you catch the LUG Radio show today? |
| 02:48.41 | handpaper | Don't get me wrong - '98 looks far better to me than XP's default 'Fischer-Price' theme |
| 02:48.43 | Ashdurbat | slayerbob: I have a computer upstairs with 32 MB |
| 02:48.52 | Ashdurbat | handpaper: Yes! |
| 02:48.54 | slayerbob | Ashdurbat: i have a stack of them in the cupboard |
| 02:48.58 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: nope. were you on? |
| 02:48.58 | Ashdurbat | handpaper: Perfect description |
| 02:49.00 | slayerbob | i call them "spare parts" |
| 02:49.01 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: yes |
| 02:49.06 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: drats! |
| 02:49.14 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: link! |
| 02:49.16 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: it's not live.. it's pre-recorded. |
| 02:49.16 | Ashdurbat | slayerbob: Running windows 95 |
| 02:49.23 | aseigo | http://www.lugradio.org |
| 02:49.26 | Alethes | handpaper: funny you should refer to XP that way, 'cause exactly how I refer to Plastik and Crystal :) |
| 02:49.35 | slayerbob | Ashdurbat: now we know you're just making it up - noone would run win95 :P |
| 02:49.36 | Ashdurbat | slayerbob: Couldn't tell you how it works with linux, the bios doesn't support booting from CD |
| 02:49.50 | aseigo | Alethes: that's why we started with Keramik |
| 02:49.57 | aseigo | Alethes: after than, anything looks mundane |
| 02:49.58 | slayerbob | Ashdurbat: you don't need a cd to install linux... |
| 02:50.04 | Alethes | man, keramik is just wrong |
| 02:50.05 | handpaper | Not my comment originally - somebody on /. got there first :) |
| 02:50.06 | Quinn_Storm | Alethes: I don't mind Plastik much...Keramik is far worse to my tastes |
| 02:50.06 | Alethes | haha |
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| 02:50.14 | Alethes | yeah, plastik is actually ok |
| 02:50.22 | Alethes | it's the crystal icons I can't get into |
| 02:50.23 | aseigo | see, wear a pink tuxedo on the first date, and you can get away with anything after that |
| 02:50.27 | SteamedPenguin | Plastik is nice. |
| 02:50.33 | Ashdurbat | slayerbob: You're right. But this means no live CDs, and 150 floppies |
| 02:50.33 | mobtek | lipstick :P |
| 02:50.37 | Quinn_Storm | aseigo: lol |
| 02:50.43 | slayerbob | Ashdurbat: er since when ? |
| 02:50.44 | Alethes | I use lipstik now |
| 02:50.52 | Ashdurbat | slayerbob: I made up 150 |
| 02:50.55 | Alethes | wow |
| 02:51.02 | slayerbob | Ashdurbat: this machine i am on now has no cdrom drive and the install of slackware 10 required only 5 floppies |
| 02:51.02 | Ashdurbat | slayerbob: I don't know how many, and I don't *want* to know |
| 02:51.04 | Alethes | anybody here ever had Jamaican Jerk Sauce? |
| 02:51.09 | Alethes | it's really good |
| 02:51.09 | Ashdurbat | slayerbob: Only 5? |
| 02:51.18 | slayerbob | and that was only because i need one to start pcmcia |
| 02:51.18 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: lugradio is not resolving for me. |
| 02:51.21 | Ashdurbat | slayerbob: Well you have an internet |
| 02:51.22 | Quinn_Storm | when I'm in a retro mood, Qinx is kinda nice |
| 02:51.23 | handpaper | Ashdurbat - 32MB is indeed no ram - I have a machine beside me with almost twice that in L2 cache :) |
| 02:51.28 | Ashdurbat | connection |
| 02:51.35 | Ashdurbat | handpaper: Sheeeit |
| 02:51.38 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: http://www.lugradio.org |
| 02:51.45 | Ashdurbat | This computer has 256 MB |
| 02:51.51 | Ashdurbat | It runs fine |
| 02:51.56 | aseigo | hrm.. is it down? |
| 02:51.56 | Quinn_Storm | all I know is that there's nothing uglier than the X11 Athena widgets |
| 02:51.57 | Alethes | I have 256 too |
| 02:52.01 | aseigo | it was up earlier... this is odd =/ |
| 02:52.05 | handpaper | This has 4.5GB |
| 02:52.10 | handpaper | It runs hot :) |
| 02:52.12 | Ashdurbat | handpaper: You're stupid |
| 02:52.21 | Alethes | Quinn_Storm: what about gtk 1.x widgets? :) |
| 02:52.22 | thiago | Quinn_Storm: oh, yes, there is |
| 02:52.27 | Alethes | unthemed, that is |
| 02:52.31 | thiago | Quinn_Storm: hand-written X11 widgets |
| 02:52.33 | Ashdurbat | handpaper: 4.5 GB is stupi |
| 02:52.34 | Ashdurbat | d |
| 02:52.38 | slayerbob | twm :) |
| 02:52.42 | Alethes | haha |
| 02:52.46 | Quinn_Storm | lol yeah gtk1.x is horrible...but its even worse to code for than it is to look at |
| 02:52.56 | aseigo | wow it is down. |
| 02:52.58 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: I posted clearlooks vs Plastik comparisons on my site and some GNOMEr asshat comments some ueber-detailed missive about how clearlooks is sooooo different because it is sandy, and soft not rounded and plasticky like plastik. |
| 02:53.10 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: you are a superstar! |
| 02:53.11 | Quinn_Storm | thiago: thank some god that I've been spared that horror |
| 02:53.44 | Ashdurbat | Quinn_Storm: It makes us all want to destroy X and write everything for ncurses |
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| 02:53.51 | mobtek | haha SteamedPenguin |
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| 02:54.10 | handpaper | Ashdurbat - it'll have 8 tomorrow - I can go back to mastering DVDs in ram |
| 02:54.11 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: yeesh.. so very typical of them.. |
| 02:54.29 | Ashdurbat | handpaper: wtf |
| 02:54.35 | Quinn_Storm | of course I remember using kde2 prerelease (I think?) way back when I had my first linux on slackware on a 32MB/PI-166w/MMX desktop box |
| 02:54.38 | Ashdurbat | handpaper: That's ridiculous |
| 02:54.48 | simmerz | how do i set kde 3.4 so that the panel icons grow when i mouseover them? |
| 02:54.51 | handpaper | I know - but it's fun |
| 02:54.59 | slayerbob | simmerz: you don't :) |
| 02:55.04 | aseigo | simmerz: you can't. |
| 02:55.05 | SteamedPenguin | so while I was dealing with a 39.3 degree fever my thought went along the lines of 'do you want to know where I can shove something sandy?' |
| 02:55.12 | simmerz | slayerbob: removed feature from 3.3? |
| 02:55.15 | aseigo | simmerz: yes. |
| 02:55.19 | simmerz | why? |
| 02:55.21 | aseigo | simmerz: replaced with something better. |
| 02:55.24 | simmerz | oh? |
| 02:55.24 | aseigo | simmerz: let me get you a link. |
| 02:55.28 | simmerz | cheers |
| 02:55.33 | Ashdurbat | Why not? |
| 02:55.36 | slayerbob | simmerz: was a cheap ripoff of a nasty feature from another os :) |
| 02:55.43 | simmerz | macos? |
| 02:55.44 | SteamedPenguin | slayerbob: hah hah |
| 02:55.45 | simmerz | i liked it |
| 02:55.53 | Ashdurbat | Me too |
| 02:56.02 | Ashdurbat | I'll have to make a rogue patch to restore it |
| 02:56.03 | simmerz | each to his own |
| 02:56.06 | slayerbob | in any case, why copy osx ? |
| 02:56.06 | Ashdurbat | Bwahahaha |
| 02:56.11 | SteamedPenguin | slayerbob: that same OS has a hard time with a simple cp it appears |
| 02:56.24 | slayerbob | i am sure you could write a patch for kde 3.4 to do that if you really wanted it to :) |
| 02:56.25 | aseigo | Ashdurbat: do the world a favour and port one of the parabolic zooming hacks to KPanelExtension |
| 02:56.28 | simmerz | slayerbob: not copy. just take some of the nicer visual features it has |
| 02:56.30 | mobtek | hehe die icon zooming die :P |
| 02:56.31 | slayerbob | SteamedPenguin: you're kidding ? |
| 02:56.45 | slayerbob | simmerz: there is a chance that it is covered by some obscure patent |
| 02:56.48 | aseigo | simmerz: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2004/10/zoomers-and-menubars-answering.html |
| 02:56.49 | Ashdurbat | aseigo: Since I don't know what you're talking about, no |
| 02:56.57 | aseigo | simmerz: then: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2004/10/hello-kicker-helpers-bye-bye-icon.html |
| 02:56.58 | simmerz | aseigo: cheers |
| 02:57.01 | aseigo | oh wait.. reverse the order |
| 02:57.04 | aseigo | the last one first. |
| 02:57.12 | simmerz | ok |
| 02:57.14 | aseigo | as usual, i'm bass ackwards |
| 02:57.23 | aseigo | but that's because i'm living in reverse time |
| 02:57.24 | SteamedPenguin | slayerbob: nope, brother was trying to debug his ex's iBook having issues cp'ing to an external hard-drive |
| 02:57.27 | aseigo | like merlin. without the hat. |
| 02:57.31 | aseigo | or the magic. or the beard. |
| 02:57.36 | aseigo | or the english accent |
| 02:57.38 | slayerbob | you let oleg poke around in kicker ? |
| 02:57.39 | aseigo | so. nothing like merlin. |
| 02:57.40 | slayerbob | :| |
| 02:58.12 | SteamedPenguin | slayerbob: those are the moments you realize ok, OSX is not UNIX + GUI it is GUI + unixy functions tacked on |
| 02:58.32 | slayerbob | SteamedPenguin: well it is an apple product - that's pretty much a given |
| 02:58.37 | aseigo | Ashdurbat: it would allow people to run one of the zooming panel thingies from kde-apps.org inside kicker |
| 02:58.43 | mobtek | SteamedPenguin: haha well not really but funny nevertheless :) |
| 02:58.45 | aseigo | Ashdurbat: they could even run it as the main panel in 3.4 |
| 02:58.53 | slayerbob | man that anonymous person is really prolific with their replies |
| 02:59.08 | aseigo | Ashdurbat: then everyone can have what they want, and they don't have to try and get rid of kicker in the process |
| 02:59.32 | aseigo | slayerbob: yeah. fucker follows me around everywhere, i swear. =P |
| 02:59.37 | slayerbob | lol |
| 02:59.52 | slayerbob | aseigo: maybe he has a crush on you or something |
| 02:59.58 | aseigo | maybe. |
| 03:00.04 | aseigo | i think i saw him on the street the other day. |
| 03:00.10 | aseigo | though i'm not really sure if it was him or not. |
| 03:00.10 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 03:00.23 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: man, you need to put down the blogspot hashish and get real blogging software. :) |
| 03:00.32 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: yeah. i probably should. |
| 03:00.36 | Ashdurbat | aseigo: (I don't really care enough to make a patch. I was just kidding. Hell, I don't even go to kde-look anymore) |
| 03:00.37 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: but that would take effort. |
| 03:00.43 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: hah hah. |
| 03:00.48 | aseigo | Ashdurbat: (kde-apps.org) |
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| 03:00.58 | Ashdurbat | aseigo: (Whatever :-P) |
| 03:01.04 | aseigo | Ashdurbat: (and you could encourage the authors to do it for you...) |
| 03:03.05 | Oleg_ | hi |
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| 03:04.05 | Alethes | aseigo: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=142184&cid=11915057 |
| 03:04.12 | slayerbob | aseigo has an interview tomorrow ? |
| 03:05.47 | annma | already had |
| 03:05.56 | annma | it's on the Dot |
| 03:06.15 | simmerz | aseigo: thanks for that |
| 03:06.30 | aseigo | simmerz: np |
| 03:06.40 | annma | it'll help improve my english |
| 03:06.48 | aseigo | Alethes: hehe |
| 03:06.53 | aseigo | slayerbob: today. |
| 03:07.01 | slayerbob | ah sadly my english is beyond help now :( |
| 03:07.09 | slayerbob | the dot ? |
| 03:07.09 | aseigo | annma: haha.. is that why lugradio is down? =P |
| 03:07.20 | annma | ;) |
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| 03:07.57 | aseigo | oh. and osnews.com. huh. |
| 03:08.01 | annma | slayerbob: the Dot!!! dot.kde.org!!! Got The Dot? |
| 03:08.07 | annma | osnews! |
| 03:08.11 | annma | eeeerk |
| 03:08.32 | annma | what next? |
| 03:08.37 | slayerbob | lol |
| 03:08.37 | aseigo | funny how i mentioned taking care of our users |
| 03:08.48 | annma | http://dot.kde.org/1110840283/ |
| 03:08.52 | aseigo | that was recorded on the seventh |
| 03:09.02 | annma | ohh, nice coincidence |
| 03:09.03 | aseigo | way before the osnews "gnome hates its users" stupidity |
| 03:09.05 | annma | ;) |
| 03:10.15 | SteamedPenguin | no no |
| 03:10.20 | SteamedPenguin | you misread that! |
| 03:10.26 | thiago | crystal ball? |
| 03:10.46 | SteamedPenguin | it is GNOME doesn't ask Eugenia to be 'The One' to mediate between developer and user |
| 03:11.27 | Alethes | ever tried to explain problems with UI in #gnome on irc.gimp.org? |
| 03:11.36 | Alethes | that link I posted is _exactly_ the response you'll get |
| 03:11.43 | aseigo | lol |
| 03:11.54 | Alethes | they're so damned stubborn |
| 03:12.08 | Alethes | good ol' seth and havoc heh |
| 03:12.44 | Alethes | GNOME's HIG: An excuse to be dysfunctional |
| 03:13.14 | Alethes | "Why is nautilus so damned slow?" |
| 03:13.22 | Alethes | "errr...because if it was faster, it would confuse new users" |
| 03:13.35 | slayerbob | "works fine on my quad xeon with 4GB RAM" |
| 03:13.36 | mobtek | hahha |
| 03:13.45 | SteamedPenguin | slayerbob++ |
| 03:14.09 | mobtek | I think LUGradio has been hammered into oblivion by outraged KDE users :P |
| 03:14.23 | Quinn_Storm | okay, now this is quite strange...I was just looking...when kde invokes the xscreensaver applets, ones that do gl 3d don't operate properly (z ordering of polygons is messed up, etc.) but when they are invoked from the xscreensaver preferences panel they work fine... |
| 03:14.23 | slayerbob | lol |
| 03:14.28 | slayerbob | not working for you either mobtek ? |
| 03:14.41 | mobtek | nope |
| 03:14.44 | thiago | slashdotted |
| 03:14.48 | slayerbob | lol |
| 03:14.56 | mobtek | thiago: ahhhh |
| 03:15.03 | SteamedPenguin | aseigoed |
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| 03:15.10 | mobtek | I can see all the /. comments now |
| 03:15.14 | mobtek | oh god |
| 03:15.16 | slayerbob | heh |
| 03:15.27 | thiago | the only reason I read /. comments is for amusement |
| 03:15.32 | mobtek | thiago: hahaha same |
| 03:15.36 | Quinn_Storm | they work fine when run from command line too |
| 03:15.37 | mobtek | it's getting funnier |
| 03:15.43 | slayerbob | but aseigo always presents such a balanced perspective - how could he ever be slashdotted ? |
| 03:15.49 | thiago | by the way, "slashdotted" has made into the wikipedia |
| 03:15.50 | Quinn_Storm | anyone have any idea where I could look to troubleshoot this? |
| 03:15.52 | aseigo | slayerbob: lol |
| 03:16.12 | SteamedPenguin | thiago: great criteria. so have the personalities of Babylon 5 |
| 03:16.13 | aseigo | slayerbob: indeed. what would i ever say that would be worthy of the hallowed /. ? |
| 03:16.20 | slayerbob | thiago: it was probably added by slashdot :) |
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| 03:16.42 | aseigo | slayerbob: did you read http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2005/01/roblimo-thinks-my-mom-is-hot.html ? |
| 03:17.04 | mobtek | hehe I can't see it on /. anywhere :P |
| 03:17.10 | thiago | it isn't there |
| 03:17.20 | thiago | but the term "to slashdot" is coined. That's what I am referring to. |
| 03:17.31 | aseigo | the donald knuth interview was great =) |
| 03:17.37 | aseigo | NPR rocks. |
| 03:17.57 | mobtek | thiago: ahhh kekek |
| 03:18.15 | mobtek | thiago: I thought the 'real' effect was effecting :P |
| 03:19.07 | aseigo | er, "and then /. it" |
| 03:19.07 | mobtek | hahaha |
| 03:19.23 | mobtek | hmm ok amaroK really needs an option to record streams |
| 03:19.26 | Quinn_Storm | okay, I think I found part of the problem...for some reason the kde screensaver system is executing them and passing a -visual argument rather than letting them negotiate it by themselves...and its passing a visual thats not supported by the 3d driver |
| 03:19.32 | Quinn_Storm | that explains the polygon problems |
| 03:19.40 | Quinn_Storm | still can't figure out why they won't run |
| 03:19.40 | aseigo | erf.. that's not good |
| 03:20.48 | Quinn_Storm | kxsrun glsnake -- -visual 0x23 for example, duplicates the polygon problem |
| 03:21.12 | Quinn_Storm | but I can't figure out how kde launches them to save the screen yet & thus why they don't do so |
| 03:23.23 | Quinn_Storm | is there a good way to just use the basic xscreensaver with kde instead? I can turn off kde's screensaver of course, but I need a good config interface to xscreensaver itself |
| 03:25.46 | Alethes | xscreensaver-demo |
| 03:26.19 | Quinn_Storm | Alethes: yeah, I just meant is there a way to use xscreensaver as part of my kde session easily? I guess I could put a link to xscreensaver in my Autostart folder or something |
| 03:27.03 | Quinn_Storm | not to mention...looking at xscreensaver reminds me why I don't like unthemed GTK1.x widgets |
| 03:27.09 | Quinn_Storm | that is what they are right? |
| 03:27.12 | Alethes | what command does kde use to launch the screensaver? |
| 03:27.39 | Quinn_Storm | Alethes: it uses a built-in screensaver system that launches various screensavers as specified by desktop files...I figured I'd just use xscreensaver properly instead |
| 03:27.56 | Alethes | ah ok |
| 03:28.17 | Alethes | I was gonna say, if kde calls xscreensaver somehow, you could probably create a bash script to fake it out and make it run the way you need it to |
| 03:28.37 | Quinn_Storm | Alethes: unfortunately it isn't that simple, or I'd have already done that |
| 03:28.46 | Alethes | yeah, figures ;) |
| 03:29.26 | Quinn_Storm | lol@the memscroller xscreensaver hack...it dumps its own process memory |
| 03:29.35 | Oadae-away | Hello folks. Can someone direct me to a Web site/FAQ/channel/something that will explain how to get Konqueror to play RealMedia? |
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| 03:30.57 | The3_14ed|er | aaaah, back in KDE |
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| 03:33.18 | can|powerbook | Heya MrGrim |
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| 03:34.52 | slayerbob | can|powerbook: so you got linux working on it ? |
| 03:35.33 | can|powerbook | lol no I'm using osx |
| 03:35.35 | can|powerbook | basically |
| 03:35.40 | can|powerbook | I'm too lazy to go upstairs and get my own laptop :) |
| 03:35.56 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 03:36.09 | The3_14ed|er | ew... now all my fonts in xchat are antialiased |
| 03:36.30 | The3_14ed|er | antialiasing 8pt fonts is something I like to avoid |
| 03:37.23 | slayerbob | hmmm |
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| 03:37.30 | slayerbob | my antialiased 8pt fonts are nice here... |
| 03:37.46 | The3_14ed|er | they just don't seem quite as bright |
| 03:37.54 | The3_14ed|er | or clean |
| 03:38.01 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 03:38.04 | mobtek | je4d: I get file does not exist :) |
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| 03:38.22 | je4d | mobtek: blurgh, lemme test |
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| 03:38.42 | je4d | mobtek: http://www.bluelinux.co.uk/~jefford/lugradio-s2e11-150305-high.ogg? |
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| 03:38.58 | mobtek | ooh gstreamer internal error kekekeke |
| 03:39.11 | mobtek | ok it could see it that time hehehe |
| 03:39.17 | je4d | gdgd |
| 03:40.23 | je4d | hmm.. when I download it from that server to uni, it averaged 4.91 MB/s (: |
| 03:41.10 | mobtek | ahh it was amaroK pooped for some weird reason :) |
| 03:41.18 | mobtek | wget to the rescue :) |
| 03:41.28 | je4d | wget++ |
| 03:42.08 | Oadae-away | Okay, how about playing Windows Media in Konqueror? |
| 03:43.16 | Alethes | is there an mplayer plugin for konq? |
| 03:43.38 | mobtek | Oadae-away: I use embedded kaffeine |
| 03:43.53 | Oadae-away | Okay, I'll look into that. |
| 03:46.11 | Oadae-away | g2g, biab |
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| 03:51.10 | dwango | mobtek, "kmplayer" will embed mplayer in konq |
| 03:51.27 | dwango | oops, wrong person |
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| 03:56.53 | notbadname | what happend to KPPP development? |
| 03:58.21 | notbadname | does KPPP progressing? |
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| 03:59.26 | mobtek | dwango: yeah but kaffeine is better :P |
| 04:00.44 | notbadname | anybody there? |
| 04:00.53 | Ashdurbat | Yeah |
| 04:00.58 | slayerbob | where ? |
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| 04:01.32 | notbadname | does KPPP progressing? |
| 04:02.04 | slayerbob | are you asking if kppp is still in active development ? |
| 04:02.13 | notbadname | yes |
| 04:02.48 | notbadname | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.42 | notbadname | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.02 | slayerbob | oh sorry i have no idea |
| 04:05.17 | slayerbob | i was just clarifying since your original question did not actually make sense... |
| 04:05.27 | slayerbob | hopefully someone here will know though :) |
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| 04:15.47 | scrooge | is there gonna be an rc2? |
| 04:16.01 | aseigo | for 3.4? |
| 04:16.08 | scrooge | yea |
| 04:16.08 | aseigo | no. it's already final. announcement impending. |
| 04:16.12 | scrooge | oh |
| 04:16.17 | scrooge | tarballs hit the mirrors yet? |
| 04:16.23 | slayerbob | impending ? |
| 04:16.33 | slayerbob | sounds kinda fatal... |
| 04:16.36 | slayerbob | :P |
| 04:16.44 | aseigo | IMPENDING! DOOM! |
| 04:16.48 | slayerbob | :P |
| 04:16.52 | scrooge | haha |
| 04:17.09 | mobtek | Doom doom doom doom de doom doom doom dooom de DOOOM! |
| 04:17.23 | mobtek | invader zim > * |
| 04:17.32 | slayerbob | invader zim ? |
| 04:17.46 | scrooge | heh |
| 04:17.56 | scrooge | is that a no? |
| 04:17.58 | scrooge | heh |
| 04:18.00 | mobtek | slayerbob: very funny cartoon |
| 04:18.07 | scrooge | gentoo added the ebuilds to portage but the mirrors is 404 |
| 04:18.11 | slayerbob | ok now i know :P |
| 04:18.16 | mobtek | scrooge: awesome |
| 04:18.30 | scrooge | mobtek, ebuilds hit this morning at like 4am EST! |
| 04:18.31 | mobtek | scrooge: so I will have to remove it all from package.unmask then methinks yes? |
| 04:18.36 | scrooge | and we cant even upgrade |
| 04:18.36 | scrooge | haha |
| 04:18.42 | scrooge | mobtek, yep |
| 04:18.43 | mobtek | scrooge: I pissed now :P |
| 04:18.45 | scrooge | its ~arch |
| 04:18.46 | scrooge | lmao |
| 04:18.48 | mobtek | kekeke |
| 04:20.08 | zack | aseigo: doh. i just got access to rc1 builds for debian, and have found some breakage - still waiting for a reply from the maintainers though, so i'm not sure if it's their fault |
| 04:20.13 | mobtek | yay hopefully having transuclency enabled won't crash xorg all the time with 3.4.0-final |
| 04:20.23 | scrooge | lol |
| 04:20.28 | scrooge | yea rite :S |
| 04:20.35 | scrooge | xorg is teh crazy |
| 04:20.43 | kendrick | heh |
| 04:20.44 | zack | heh |
| 04:20.56 | scrooge | i broke it all the time with xcompmgr |
| 04:21.10 | zack | you think xorg is crazy, use xserver... you don't even need a composite manager to break it! :) |
| 04:21.11 | scrooge | xchat buffer would somehow get a drop shadow 0.o |
| 04:21.17 | scrooge | lol |
| 04:21.19 | scrooge | :P |
| 04:21.25 | mobtek | well seems to be ok in rc1 if you have 100% opacity on apps and shadows without active desktop borders :P |
| 04:21.47 | scrooge | lmfao |
| 04:22.22 | mobtek | and their needs to be an option to turn off shadows when resizing too :) |
| 04:22.27 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: listening to LUGradio now. |
| 04:22.49 | scrooge | have yall tried xfce 4.2? |
| 04:23.07 | scrooge | they have compositing in there. and shadows |
| 04:23.11 | scrooge | handles it pretty good to |
| 04:23.20 | illogic-al | it doesn't have a K in the name. why on wearth would we do that? |
| 04:23.26 | scrooge | haha |
| 04:23.34 | scrooge | to prove kde is better ^_^ |
| 04:23.42 | scrooge | gotta test out the inferior products |
| 04:25.14 | mobtek | muhahah what drugs are these chuckleheads rofl |
| 04:25.18 | mobtek | on too |
| 04:25.39 | zack | you clearly haven't seen e17 |
| 04:25.42 | zack | ;P |
| 04:25.46 | kendrick | hahahaha |
| 04:25.53 | scrooge | e17 is nice? |
| 04:25.55 | kendrick | they're gonna be in their 80s |
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| 04:26.01 | scrooge | i seen this d00ds screenie...looked nice |
| 04:26.09 | zack | it is *pretty* |
| 04:26.15 | kendrick | "we're about to release *cough cough* e19... it's going to *cough* kick ass... where are my pills?" |
| 04:26.17 | zack | granted, i don't love the default theme |
| 04:26.22 | scrooge | lol |
| 04:26.54 | zack | i had a good long talk with raster about it a couple weeks ago... do you know e17 uses a binary config file format? |
| 04:27.05 | zack | lovely. |
| 04:28.00 | scrooge | heh |
| 04:28.02 | scrooge | sucky :S |
| 04:28.16 | scrooge | does kde have a pdf of like all the docs or sumtin? |
| 04:28.26 | zack | doubt it |
| 04:28.28 | scrooge | instead of browsing the many pages online |
| 04:28.30 | scrooge | aww :/ |
| 04:28.52 | zack | yeah |
| 04:29.49 | SteamedPenguin | zack: oh gross |
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| 04:31.44 | zack | SteamedPenguin: yeah, gross. there's a big shell script and a howto for adding launchers to the menu. |
| 04:32.02 | zack | SteamedPenguin: oh, btw, it doesn't use the fdo xdg menu system |
| 04:32.13 | SteamedPenguin | zack: of course not |
| 04:32.25 | SteamedPenguin | enlightenment is too enlightened to use such things as standards |
| 04:32.31 | zack | it's a shame, i was going to use it for a bit |
| 04:32.49 | aseigo | scrooge: user or devel docs? |
| 04:32.51 | zack | i loved e16 ... for a while |
| 04:33.05 | scrooge | aseigo, both if possible |
| 04:33.15 | scrooge | i'd be more interested in devel :) |
| 04:33.26 | aseigo | scrooge: i believe there are user doc pdfs about... it's all in docbook so it would be easy to make happen |
| 04:33.36 | aseigo | scrooge: the devel docs are a different matter.. that's another KDE4 issue |
| 04:33.43 | scrooge | ahh i ok |
| 04:33.44 | zack | who wrote the fancy new tooltip code for 3.4? |
| 04:33.50 | scrooge | yea |
| 04:33.53 | scrooge | those are HUGE |
| 04:34.12 | scrooge | (tooltips)^^ |
| 04:34.15 | scrooge | hehe |
| 04:34.29 | zack | i *hate* yellow tooltips |
| 04:34.47 | scrooge | aseigo, are they community made? |
| 04:35.03 | scrooge | zack, lol. cant u modify source and make is green? |
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| 04:35.18 | canllaith | colour is hard coded in qt |
| 04:35.25 | scrooge | oh |
| 04:35.25 | zack | scrooge: sure, i could - but i'm not about to build evert qt version for that |
| 04:35.35 | scrooge | zack, heh |
| 04:35.44 | aseigo | scrooge: the docs? yes |
| 04:35.51 | scrooge | canllaith, those are normal qt tooltips? |
| 04:35.56 | scrooge | aseigo, k...to google i go |
| 04:35.59 | aseigo | zack: the fancy tooltips are partly my fault. |
| 04:36.03 | scrooge | haha |
| 04:36.10 | zack | aseigo: hate! flame! ;) |
| 04:36.13 | scrooge | restraining order time |
| 04:36.20 | aseigo | zack: you'll have to do better than that baby. =P |
| 04:36.40 | aseigo | zack: btw, i think i made the anim configurable in CVS HEAD |
| 04:36.55 | zack | woohoo |
| 04:37.02 | aseigo | zack: unless i was on acid, 'shrooms or some other hallucination inducing combination of chemicals, i certainly remember committing such code |
| 04:37.20 | aseigo | in fact, i believe the commit log message was something like, "my gift to all the tweakers out there" |
| 04:37.21 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: nice interview. |
| 04:37.22 | zack | aseigo: yeah, i'm a bit surprised at you :) |
| 04:37.39 | zack | the 'ugeness of them was a great idea though |
| 04:37.50 | aseigo | zack: i try to keep people surprised. so while they may be surprised, they won't be surprised to be surprised. |
| 04:38.05 | scrooge | heh |
| 04:38.06 | aseigo | zack: that way they are never really surprised. only just .. um.. surprised. yeah. mindfuck baby. all. the. way. |
| 04:38.13 | scrooge | lmfao |
| 04:38.17 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: thx =) |
| 04:38.34 | zack | aseigo: you're one of life's great mysteries. |
| 04:38.41 | zack | the eighth wonder, if you will ;) |
| 04:38.44 | aseigo | like the klein bottle. |
| 04:38.48 | canllaith | LOL |
| 04:39.27 | zack | i can't decide - would that make a good pipe, or no? |
| 04:39.45 | aseigo | it is not a pipe. |
| 04:40.13 | zack | which one? |
| 04:40.36 | zack | oh, they actually do have them in pyrex |
| 04:40.56 | aseigo | http://www.cgecwm.org/art/this-is-not-a-pipe.jpg |
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| 04:41.10 | aseigo | magritte. fucking genios. |
| 04:41.10 | SteamedPenguin | fuck I am nuts |
| 04:41.12 | aseigo | er, genious. |
| 04:41.15 | zack | yes! i love that one. |
| 04:41.19 | SteamedPenguin | I am talking back to the radio show |
| 04:41.31 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: heh... it's ok. i can hear you. =P |
| 04:41.39 | aseigo | zack: oh? |
| 04:41.46 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: well it is so conversational. I like it. |
| 04:41.51 | aseigo | zack: you know the joke behind the name of that painting right? |
| 04:41.57 | zack | aseigo: oh, not originals or anything :) |
| 04:42.18 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: have you gotten to the "what's cool in kde?" question yet? ;) |
| 04:42.39 | zack | aseigo: joke? not sure. |
| 04:42.45 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: oh, I am done with the KDE interview. |
| 04:42.56 | aseigo | in french, "pipe" is a slang for a blowjob. |
| 04:43.03 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: ah.. the after talk now |
| 04:43.04 | zack | hah |
| 04:43.09 | aseigo | so.. "this is not a pipe" |
| 04:43.21 | aseigo | well, right.. it's not a pipe. it's a picture of a pipe. |
| 04:43.28 | aseigo | and... it's not a blowjob either. |
| 04:43.37 | zack | in fact, it's not plenty of things. |
| 04:43.40 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: what's the single cool thing in KDE? Aaron Seigo. badum-tish |
| 04:43.49 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: hehehe ... i couldn't help it. |
| 04:43.52 | aseigo | not that i tried. |
| 04:43.58 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: hah hah |
| 04:44.18 | zack | slayerbob: hmm, we haven't discovered every species yet... |
| 04:44.28 | aseigo | it's a pipefish! |
| 04:44.29 | mobtek | haha aseigo |
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| 04:44.53 | mobtek | aseigo: they did have some odd idea about the current state of usability in kde |
| 04:45.00 | mobtek | aseigo: I found that puzzling :) |
| 04:45.09 | aseigo | mobtek: it's the GNOME influence... |
| 04:45.13 | aseigo | ... which goes something like this: |
| 04:45.29 | SteamedPenguin | people saw KDE 2.2.2 and that's the image left in their heads. |
| 04:45.36 | aseigo | "ooooh look! the applications menu says 'Applications'.. keep your eyes on the applications and places menus. pay no attention to the file dialog." |
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| 04:45.45 | mobtek | aseigo: SteamedPenguin yeah wierd |
| 04:45.47 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: yep |
| 04:46.06 | tmorton | Anybody here care to test an autopackage for me under vanilla autopackage? |
| 04:46.08 | aseigo | but who knows.. maybe some of these people will go try 3.4 for real now =) |
| 04:46.15 | SteamedPenguin | where GTK movex from 1.x to 2.x and with every point release GNOMErs scream like orgasmin nun |
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| 04:46.40 | mobtek | haha SteamedPenguin |
| 04:46.42 | zack | heh. i like the file dialog a lot, except for the fact that the location widget is hidden |
| 04:47.35 | zack | i like kde's too, though, but i wish it didn't scroll horizontally :) |
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| 04:48.11 | aseigo | zack: select the detail view.. vertical scroll only |
| 04:48.14 | zack | heh, we need something like CSS for Qt ;) |
| 04:48.23 | aseigo | XMLGUI |
| 04:48.43 | SteamedPenguin | umm |
| 04:48.50 | SteamedPenguin | CSS != XML |
| 04:49.14 | zack | aseigo: wrong, it *always* has a horizontal scroller because it has 6 columns. |
| 04:49.52 | mobtek | aseigo: good answer on the HAL DBUS question, hahaha oooh new shiny thing, lets just jump on the nearest bandwagon :P |
| 04:50.06 | aseigo | zack: yeah, it could be better... |
| 04:50.12 | aseigo | mobtek: =) |
| 04:51.13 | zack | mobtek: whether or not hal/dbus are the answer, some very cool things are being done with it that aren't being done without it... |
| 04:51.27 | zack | though iirc hal is linux-only which is kinda crappy |
| 04:51.50 | mobtek | zack: yes I know |
| 04:52.19 | zack | heh. my 'media:/' has only my floppy drive, and konq's sidebar still hardcodes 'devices:/ |
| 04:52.23 | zack | ' |
| 04:52.31 | straw | re-inventing the wheel wastes everyone's time, shiny bandwagon or not |
| 04:53.07 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: don't BSD users use GNOME? and don't GNOME users care about BSDers? |
| 04:53.40 | zack | straw: i don't know enough about dbus to dislike it, but hal doesn't have any competition that i'm aware of. |
| 04:54.00 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: for all the vaunted larifari about how much more open GNOME is over KDE because it is LGPL they certainly don't seem to put much effort into playing open. |
| 04:54.01 | zack | SteamedPenguin: dude, users don't *really* matter - developers do. |
| 04:54.14 | SteamedPenguin | zack: yeah yeah, :) |
| 04:54.40 | SteamedPenguin | and apparently KDE has BSD devs while GNOME doesn't. :) |
| 04:54.45 | zack | SteamedPenguin: they have the attitude of "if they want it, they'll port it" |
| 04:55.26 | zack | which is valid - if i were to write hal, am i going to install bsd just for that? |
| 04:55.32 | SteamedPenguin | simon willison is going to be online next week. |
| 04:55.56 | mobtek | straw: jeejh they should be taking up dcop :) |
| 04:55.59 | zack | honestly i do like gnome's banning of "ok/cancel" "buttons |
| 04:56.04 | zack | verbs good. |
| 04:56.32 | SteamedPenguin | zack: that's backwards though. |
| 04:56.41 | straw | watching competing camps doing the same thing but different for years gets frustrating |
| 04:56.51 | zack | straw: yeah :( |
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| 04:57.10 | straw | competition's great, mind you |
| 04:57.20 | zack | sometimes |
| 04:57.27 | SteamedPenguin | here, let's base a good amount of project X's functionality on NewShinyProject, but that's only available for Linux. |
| 04:57.59 | SteamedPenguin | so BSD users are left with Project X but no shiny stuff. |
| 04:58.02 | mobtek | straw: difference is great too |
| 04:58.03 | SteamedPenguin | that makes no sense |
| 04:58.03 | zack | it's less great when you have one product that's awesome at half of all use cases but sucks for the over half, and another product that has the opposite problem. |
| 04:58.09 | canllaith | banning of ok cancel? |
| 04:58.12 | straw | but when it's "our solution's better and will be done in 3 years by which time it's irrelevant |
| 04:58.14 | mobtek | I like what gnome does and I like what kde does |
| 04:58.27 | mobtek | they achieve very different desktops |
| 04:58.53 | zack | canllaith: the HIG basically commands you to use verbs on your buttons - Save/Don't Save etc. |
| 04:58.56 | mobtek | hahah aseigo hahah they admitted their prejudiuce at the end :) |
| 04:59.00 | canllaith | :\ ooook then |
| 04:59.05 | zack | haha |
| 04:59.16 | zack | canllaith: er, that bothers you? |
| 04:59.19 | canllaith | That's kinda strange |
| 04:59.35 | canllaith | Lots of things about gnome bother me, that's why I'm here. |
| 04:59.35 | marcusU | Cancel is a verb. |
| 04:59.46 | zack | i think it kinda makes sense... "buttons shall say what they do" |
| 04:59.49 | slayerbob | so is ok :) |
| 05:00.00 | mobtek | and the diversity in desktops is elite |
| 05:00.03 | zack | marcusU: it's needlessly vague |
| 05:00.06 | marcusU | Most people don't think of OK as a verb. |
| 05:00.10 | canllaith | 2.6 was so amazingly unusable I switched to KDE through a zealous, burning hatred of attempting to do anything useful under gnome. |
| 05:00.12 | mobtek | I'd like to see a third groovy desktop coming out as well :) |
| 05:00.12 | zack | OK is not a verb. |
| 05:00.13 | straw | consistency is useful, though |
| 05:00.13 | canllaith | slayerbob: lol! |
| 05:00.16 | slayerbob | marcusU: to ok |
| 05:00.22 | mobtek | canllaith: wow I switched at 2.6 too |
| 05:00.30 | marcusU | zack: I okayed his installing the light switch. That's a verb. |
| 05:00.35 | canllaith | I guess 'accept/cancel' would be grammatik correctness |
| 05:00.45 | zack | canllaith: heh, i get the same feeling every time i switch desktops :) |
| 05:00.48 | marcusU | I like "Cancel". It's very clear most of the time. |
| 05:00.51 | zack | marcusU: er, that's a sentence. |
| 05:00.55 | canllaith | zack: Funny, I only did it once. |
| 05:01.09 | marcusU | zack: It's a sentence, and "okay" is used as a verb in that sentence. |
| 05:01.13 | slayerbob | although some programs call for something more aggressive than cancel |
| 05:01.18 | canllaith | Yes |
| 05:01.20 | canllaith | FOAD |
| 05:01.25 | slayerbob | for example, clippy should have a "sod off and die" button |
| 05:01.29 | canllaith | I'm still waiting for philrod to implement that for me ;) |
| 05:01.45 | straw | ok is an adjective |
| 05:01.47 | canllaith | We wanted a FOAD button for annoying stuff like that. He said he'd do it for me :( |
| 05:01.51 | slayerbob | heh |
| 05:01.53 | zack | marcusU: ugh, you're right ;P |
| 05:02.00 | slayerbob | straw: ok is also a verb |
| 05:02.01 | marcusU | straw: It depends on the context. |
| 05:02.08 | straw | or possibly an adverb |
| 05:02.11 | canllaith | OK is one of those words that isn't technically a word, really. It's passed into common usage as a verb. |
| 05:02.14 | marcusU | Or an interjection. |
| 05:02.18 | zack | it's a horrible, horrible verb :) |
| 05:02.29 | zack | canllaith: exactly. 'cancel' is a real live verb though. |
| 05:02.30 | straw | oh wait, v : give sanction to |
| 05:02.50 | scrooge | is it ok with you? |
| 05:02.53 | scrooge | like so?^^ |
| 05:02.59 | zack | but if you can say 'don't kill me' instead of 'cancel', sometime's it's helpful |
| 05:03.01 | SteamedPenguin | wow |
| 05:03.15 | SteamedPenguin | I always assume #kde denizens are old timers |
| 05:03.20 | canllaith | if you were going to be a pedant, then 'accept/cancel' would be an acceptable combination. |
| 05:03.27 | SteamedPenguin | I've been hooked on KDE since 2.2.2 |
| 05:03.34 | slayerbob | or ok/not ok :) |
| 05:03.51 | marcusU | You click <Cancel>. Then you get a dialog box that says, "Can't cancel," and the buttons say "Cancel" and "Don't cancel." |
| 05:04.01 | canllaith | SteamedPenguin: I used KDE, then switched to gtk related stuff, then switched back to KDE when it got stupid |
| 05:04.03 | zack | canllaith: yes, but the point is that you can often be more specific with about the same amount of letters. |
| 05:04.03 | straw | i tend to waffle between the kde/gnome for months at a time |
| 05:04.07 | marcusU | So you click "Cancel" to cancel canceling. |
| 05:04.14 | canllaith | 3.1.4 was the first version I really liked, of KDE |
| 05:04.25 | marcusU | I used GTK+/GNOME then switched to KDE and never looked back. |
| 05:04.38 | marcusU | I liked version 2.0. Version 1.x was kind of ichy. |
| 05:04.44 | marcusU | 1.x of KDE |
| 05:04.47 | zack | i used e, then kde, then gnome, then kde, then gnome, then gnome + kde |
| 05:04.53 | mobtek | canllaith: 3.0.4 I think it was was the one I really first liked |
| 05:04.54 | straw | although more so kde since the "great stupification" |
| 05:05.03 | mobtek | moving from 2.2.22 or whatever it was at the time :) |
| 05:05.08 | canllaith | I just can't *use* a text editor that wont allow me to type and tab complete a path name |
| 05:05.14 | canllaith | and gedit wouldn't let me in 2.6 |
| 05:05.17 | SteamedPenguin | canllaith: well, KDE 2.2.2 was no beauty, but GNOME at that period made me wonder if sleeping with her was some sort of divine punishment |
| 05:05.35 | zack | canllaith: heh. they must have thought that was a "crack" feature :) |
| 05:05.35 | canllaith | SteamedPenguin: I used to use gtk apps under lightweight WM's rather than actually use gnome |
| 05:05.49 | canllaith | given that you needed to use sawfish to get decent keybindings |
| 05:05.55 | SteamedPenguin | canllaith: I suppose. |
| 05:05.57 | mobtek | marcusU: after seeing how easy it is to code and design GUI stuff in KDE I was sold, I havent had as much chance as I'd like to develop in it but wow it was way ahead of dev stuff in gnome at the time :) |
| 05:06.15 | canllaith | SteamedPenguin: you do :| Metacity wont let you configure ANYTHING |
| 05:06.28 | mobtek | canllaith: new austerity, stop complaining :P |
| 05:06.31 | canllaith | so I used sawfish, which was pretty nice actually |
| 05:06.38 | zack | mobtek: i have a task then: implement gnome-volume-manager or similar for kde :) |
| 05:06.43 | SteamedPenguin | canllaith: oh yeah, I remember when metacity came out |
| 05:06.46 | mobtek | yeah you could hack up the lisp |
| 05:06.57 | SteamedPenguin | I even tried it. OMG I ran back to KDE so fast. |
| 05:06.59 | marcusU | canllaith: You weren't around when I made the (joking) quote, ``I want my desktop configured exactly the way I like it, but I don't want to get confused by too many options.'' |
| 05:07.06 | mobtek | zack: ? whats the volume manager? |
| 05:07.09 | mobtek | kmix works great |
| 05:07.10 | mobtek | :) |
| 05:07.11 | zack | hey, metacity has a few hidden gconf keys! |
| 05:07.12 | zack | heh |
| 05:07.20 | zack | mobtek: poorly named. it automounts media. |
| 05:07.29 | mobtek | oh |
| 05:07.35 | zack | pops up nautilus windows, etc. |
| 05:07.39 | mobtek | ahhh |
| 05:07.46 | mobtek | right click on devices in konqi works great though |
| 05:07.47 | SteamedPenguin | mobtek: it is the Five Year Plan for GNOME. In five years we won't have users! |
| 05:07.57 | mobtek | I don't want stuff automounted |
| 05:07.58 | slayerbob | :P |
| 05:08.01 | canllaith | If I wanted to use a mac, I'd use a mac :) |
| 05:08.03 | zack | mobtek: right-click on devices? |
| 05:08.06 | mobtek | I want to mount it easily |
| 05:08.09 | zack | mobtek: you can turn it off, anyhow |
| 05:08.10 | mobtek | zack: bingo |
| 05:08.10 | canllaith | Which reminds me is my yellowdog iso's finished...... |
| 05:08.22 | slayerbob | mobtek: i dunno - there are advantages to having things like /boot and /sbin automounted |
| 05:08.28 | zack | mobtek: no that was a question. i don't know what you mean :) |
| 05:08.28 | canllaith | slayerbob: make 426.32s user 33.38s system 94% cpu 8:05.22 total |
| 05:08.36 | mobtek | hahah slayerbob yeah fstab is your friend :{P |
| 05:08.43 | canllaith | slayerbob: the athlon here building my laptop kernel - Takes 13 minutes on hal |
| 05:08.48 | zack | shit, fstab is my mortal enemy |
| 05:08.50 | mobtek | zack: yes right click mount |
| 05:09.01 | slayerbob | so twice as fast as hal ? |
| 05:09.05 | zack | mobtek: ah. and if you've just plugged the device in for the first time? |
| 05:09.06 | mobtek | SteamedPenguin: rofl |
| 05:09.07 | canllaith | slayerbob: almost yeah |
| 05:09.10 | slayerbob | :P |
| 05:09.12 | marcusU | I'm annoying that my broken Linux kernel won't compile with GCC 3.4.x |
| 05:09.20 | mobtek | zack: I dunno, I don't have devices to plug in :) |
| 05:09.25 | canllaith | mmmm I don't have that many devices. |
| 05:09.34 | canllaith | I have an external drive, and a camera. |
| 05:09.42 | zack | mobtek: ok, fine, don't write it :) |
| 05:09.42 | slayerbob | speaking of which |
| 05:09.44 | canllaith | I have two icons on my kde desktop. 'External drive' 'camera' |
| 05:09.47 | slayerbob | do you have the cam working yet ? :P |
| 05:09.49 | mobtek | zack: rofl :) |
| 05:09.54 | canllaith | slayerbob: no I pulled it apart yesterday |
| 05:09.58 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 05:10.01 | slayerbob | you pulled it apart ? |
| 05:10.02 | canllaith | slayerbob: got all the serial numbers off it's chips |
| 05:10.05 | canllaith | so I'll google for it |
| 05:10.07 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 05:10.12 | canllaith | yeah and the damn thing is soooo hard to put back together |
| 05:10.22 | canllaith | you're having to put really long screws into a bit that swivels |
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| 05:10.29 | canllaith | so it swivelled |
| 05:10.31 | canllaith | I slipped |
| 05:10.37 | canllaith | and stabbed myself in the hand with the screwdriver |
| 05:10.38 | canllaith | ......... 4 times |
| 05:10.42 | slayerbob | awww :( |
| 05:10.44 | straw | heh |
| 05:11.16 | snugglemonkey | wow. carnage. on the kde channel. |
| 05:11.21 | straw | i can imagine the expletives uttered on the fourth stab :) |
| 05:11.24 | canllaith | Nah |
| 05:11.37 | straw | yeah right |
| 05:11.53 | canllaith | So I said 'oh for goodness sake you stupid bloody thing' |
| 05:11.59 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 05:12.00 | straw | lol |
| 05:12.03 | canllaith | which doesn't count as an expletive to an australian |
| 05:12.13 | canllaith | since bloody and bugger are our national words. |
| 05:12.18 | mobtek | hahaha |
| 05:12.20 | slayerbob | and crikey :) |
| 05:12.22 | mobtek | and fuck :P |
| 05:12.23 | mobtek | oops |
| 05:12.28 | canllaith | NOONE REALLY SAYS CRIKEY!:P |
| 05:12.31 | zack | heh |
| 05:12.36 | canllaith | awwwwww man |
| 05:12.40 | slayerbob | :P |
| 05:12.42 | mobtek | canllaith: they did in '50s |
| 05:12.44 | canllaith | last night I'm talking to some lycoris geek |
| 05:12.50 | canllaith | surrounded by kiwi's |
| 05:12.56 | straw | so the croc guy has been misleading us? |
| 05:13.13 | slayerbob | straw: nah mate all australians are just like him :P |
| 05:13.16 | straw | bloody bugger |
| 05:13.16 | canllaith | anyway, I'm like 'gaarn mate, on with the sales pitch!' |
| 05:13.22 | mobtek | straw: his effigy is burnt every australia day to ward off the deamons of Arseholes :P |
| 05:13.22 | canllaith | then cringed :$ |
| 05:13.31 | slayerbob | lol |
| 05:13.35 | canllaith | and all the kiwis picked on me :( |
| 05:13.36 | straw | slayerbob: that was my theory... |
| 05:13.50 | canllaith | ok that guy named his DAUGHTER after his favourite crocodile and his favourite dog. |
| 05:13.52 | canllaith | BINDY SUE |
| 05:14.05 | straw | jesus |
| 05:14.06 | canllaith | in the NT, Bindy is what you call blond stupid girls who giggle too much |
| 05:14.13 | canllaith | Who would name their daughter Bindy????? |
| 05:14.22 | slayerbob | so she will fit right in with the steve irwin family then ? :P |
| 05:14.22 | canllaith | "After me favourite dog, and me favourite crocodile"" |
| 05:14.24 | canllaith | I mean really |
| 05:15.06 | canllaith | I mean, there are no words to describe the evil things I'd do to him :P |
| 05:15.28 | mobtek | haha canllaith |
| 05:15.34 | slayerbob | luckily i am more creative than that :) |
| 05:15.38 | slayerbob | that's how i got the name bob |
| 05:15.44 | slayerbob | creativity |
| 05:15.47 | canllaith | :| |
| 05:15.55 | mobtek | slayerbob: it soooo shows man :) |
| 05:16.00 | slayerbob | :'( |
| 05:18.48 | canllaith | oh sod, and I also need to download ndiswrapper sources before I boot into my new kernel or I'm a bit screwed |
| 05:19.19 | slayerbob | lol |
| 05:19.33 | mobtek | canllaith: deviantart |
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| 05:22.10 | mobtek | some great wallpapers on there |
| 05:22.51 | SteamedPenguin | wallpaper takes too much graphics card memory for just sitting there |
| 05:23.06 | SteamedPenguin | at least my apps are almost always full-screen |
| 05:23.26 | mobtek | kekek |
| 05:23.34 | mobtek | nope I like my groovy wallpapers |
| 05:24.34 | mobtek | http://www.mobtek.net/images/currentdesktop/kde340rc1-opacitykonsolekopetekonvi.png |
| 05:24.37 | mobtek | purdy :P |
| 05:26.45 | SteamedPenguin | mobtek: how did you get the k menu to change the icon? |
| 05:27.17 | canllaith | SteamedPenguin: use an icon theme, or read the faq where the answer has been for basically forever |
| 05:27.53 | SteamedPenguin | canllaith: heh, ok, good to know/ |
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| 05:30.07 | mobtek | SteamedPenguin: installed the icon theme with it in it aka SNOWE-RAD8 |
| 05:30.09 | mobtek | :) |
| 05:30.28 | mobtek | and you can manually change it with other icons themes which I've done before |
| 05:30.30 | SteamedPenguin | mobtek: hah hah, ok |
| 05:30.47 | mobtek | but this icon theme is so complete I don't feel the need to use anything else hehe |
| 05:30.49 | canllaith | nice, I especially like the lime. |
| 05:30.58 | mobtek | the orange is cool too |
| 05:31.08 | canllaith | what do I have |
| 05:31.11 | canllaith | aqua, graphite and lime |
| 05:31.32 | mobtek | same |
| 05:31.35 | canllaith | :) |
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| 05:33.08 | aseigo | CRIKEY! it's already 22:30. i need to sleep |
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| 05:36.46 | snugglemonkey | I offered to host koffice.org, and today there was over 701mb transferred through that domain name... should I be worried. :| |
| 05:37.16 | mobtek | aseigo: go to bed mediastar :P |
| 05:37.24 | mobtek | aseigo: good interview too btw :) |
| 05:37.27 | aseigo | yes. i will.. g'nite all =) |
| 05:37.29 | aseigo | mobtek: thx =) |
| 05:37.36 | snugglemonkey | gnight. |
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| 06:05.11 | pankey | heh |
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| 06:16.38 | orville | hi |
| 06:17.21 | orville | can someone here give me a copy of $KDEDIR/share/config/kdm/Xserver |
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| 06:17.36 | orville | or $KDEDIR/share/config/kdm/Xservers |
| 06:19.53 | orville | anyone? |
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| 06:32.23 | arango | How do I set the default audio device in KDE ? |
| 06:32.23 | nick01stupidwork | hi |
| 06:32.46 | nick01stupidwork | when I open more tabs lots of toolbars show up on the left side of the screen |
| 06:32.54 | nick01stupidwork | how do I stop that ? |
| 06:33.29 | marcusU | orville left. :-( |
| 06:33.55 | nick01stupidwork | huh ? |
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| 06:34.19 | nick01stupidwork | KDE 3.3.2 btw |
| 06:34.30 | nick01stupidwork | hi Gumby ! |
| 06:34.53 | Gumby | could anyone possibly tell me where kde stores its default mime types? I'd like to change some but I can only login remotely right now. |
| 06:34.56 | Gumby | lo nick |
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| 06:35.40 | nick01stupidwork | Gumby, do u know how to get rid of all those toolbars that pop up on the left side in konqueror when I open new tabs ? |
| 06:35.49 | nick01stupidwork | KDE 3.3.2 |
| 06:37.55 | Gumby | nick01stupidwork: probably in the koqueror settings I am sure |
| 06:39.12 | nick01stupidwork | don't think so- must be a bug- from top to bottom LOTS of those toolbars show up- they end up taking half the screen and the buttons are grayed out |
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| 06:41.05 | f00f | ummm |
| 06:41.09 | f00f | why cant ANY of my KDE apps do DNS? |
| 06:41.12 | nick01stupidwork | Gumby, "document relations" toolbars |
| 06:41.18 | f00f | all of my other apps have no problem doing DNS |
| 06:41.22 | f00f | i can ping google |
| 06:41.38 | f00f | but....... if i try to go to google.com in konqueror unknown host |
| 06:41.45 | f00f | ..... |
| 06:41.53 | f00f | anyone? |
| 06:42.11 | f00f | this is specifically KDE apps. :/ |
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| 06:42.21 | f00f | i can even download updates for eclipse |
| 06:42.52 | nodfasa | do you have a proxy set in konq or something? |
| 06:43.05 | f00f | hmm |
| 06:43.16 | f00f | maybe i accidentilly hit something in kcontrol |
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| 06:45.16 | f00f | nodfasa: negative |
| 06:46.32 | f00f | :( |
| 06:46.43 | f00f | bloody |
| 06:48.46 | f00f | hmm |
| 06:48.56 | f00f | should i turn my eth interfaces on then off? |
| 06:48.58 | f00f | err off then on |
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| 06:58.45 | f00fbug | w00000t! |
| 06:58.52 | f00fbug | i rebooted and it magically unbroke |
| 06:59.10 | neom | lol |
| 06:59.16 | f00fbug | this is scary |
| 06:59.22 | f00fbug | kde is beginning to sound like windows |
| 06:59.26 | f00fbug | 0.0 |
| 06:59.56 | f00fbug | well now that i have xorg 6.8 |
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| 07:02.14 | f00fbug | im downloading the slax cd |
| 07:02.16 | f00fbug | err klax |
| 07:02.23 | f00fbug | gonna try out KDE 3.4 for myself |
| 07:02.23 | f00fbug | :D |
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| 07:05.13 | f00fbug | well |
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| 07:48.28 | LongJohn | hi |
| 07:58.40 | f00fbug | burning klax |
| 07:58.40 | f00fbug | :D |
| 07:58.45 | f00fbug | this is gonna be sweet |
| 07:58.54 | f00fbug | i hear 3.4 is the best thing since sliced bread |
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| 08:02.25 | paloris_J | I am having trouble compiling kdebase kdebase/libkonq |
| 08:02.31 | paloris_J | can any one help |
| 08:02.52 | paloris_J | knewmenu.h:177: warning: `visibility' attribute does not apply to types |
| 08:03.02 | paloris_J | is the type of error |
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| 08:03.40 | paloris_J | any thoughts |
| 08:04.43 | nodfasa | that's a warning, not an error |
| 08:05.10 | f00fbug | :) |
| 08:05.37 | f00fbug | paloris_J: make >& file; cat file | grep error |
| 08:06.27 | paloris_J | konq_popupmenu.cc:337: error: `NoDeletion' is not a member of `KParts::BrowserExtension' |
| 08:06.46 | f00fbug | paloris_J: is this CVS? |
| 08:06.52 | f00fbug | hmm |
| 08:07.25 | paloris_J | konq_popupmenu.cc:337: error: `NoDeletion' is not a member of `KParts::BrowserExtension' |
| 08:07.25 | paloris_J | konq_popupmenu.cc:339: error: 'class KFileItem' has no member named 'isWritable' |
| 08:07.26 | paloris_J | konq_popupmenu.cc:366: error: 'class KFileItem' has no member named 'mostLocalURL' |
| 08:07.26 | paloris_J | konq_popupmenu.cc:399: error: 'class KFileItem' has no member named 'isWritable' |
| 08:07.27 | paloris_J | konq_popupmenu.cc:619: error: no matching function for call to `KDEDesktopMimeType::userDefinedServices(const QString&, KSimpleConfig&, bool)' |
| 08:07.27 | paloris_J | konq_popupmenu.cc:639: error: no matching function for call to `KDEDesktopMimeType::userDefinedServices(QString&, KSimpleConfig&, bool)' |
| 08:07.29 | paloris_J | konq_popupmenu.cc:751: error: no matching function for call to `KDEDesktopMimeType::userDefinedServices(const QString, KSimpleConfig&, bool) |
| 08:07.42 | paloris_J | f00fbug: yes |
| 08:08.07 | paloris_J | KDE_3_4_BRANCH |
| 08:08.27 | paloris_J | Which I thought would have been quite stable |
| 08:10.00 | f00fbug | hmm |
| 08:10.19 | f00fbug | me too |
| 08:10.21 | f00fbug | damn |
| 08:13.48 | f00fbug | hmm |
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| 08:14.25 | f00fbug | paloris_J: can you find the file that contains KParts::BrowserExtension and paste it at rafb.net/ |
| 08:14.46 | f00fbug | id checkout but i dont have enough HDD space |
| 08:14.57 | f00fbug | :(= |
| 08:15.58 | f00fbug | yaay! |
| 08:16.00 | paloris_J | I will have a go |
| 08:16.06 | f00fbug | time to boot into klax from lappy |
| 08:17.42 | lippel | kdelibs/kparts/browserextension.h/cpp is your friend |
| 08:19.13 | f00fbug | OMG |
| 08:19.18 | f00fbug | i burned it on a bad CD |
| 08:19.19 | f00fbug | :( |
| 08:19.20 | f00fbug | crap |
| 08:19.23 | f00fbug | argh |
| 08:23.12 | lippel | paloris_J: you're probably trying to build kdebase from 3.4 branch against kdelibs 3.3.x |
| 08:24.05 | lippel | e.g. BrowserExtension::NoDeletion was introduced in 3.4 |
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| 08:24.57 | lippel | paloris_J: install kdelibs 3.4 first and make sure it is used when compiling kdebase |
| 08:25.01 | Garibaldi_ | Hi, when I try to login to KDE, X hangs (mouse moves, but nothing else will work) on "Setting up interprocess Communication" |
| 08:25.17 | Garibaldi_ | I've cleaned out everything in /tmp and rebooted as well as removed all the ~user/.ICE* files |
| 08:25.41 | Garibaldi_ | I've recompiled all of the core KDE components (kdebase, kdelibs, etc...) |
| 08:25.52 | Garibaldi_ | I'm recompiling X now |
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| 08:26.19 | Garibaldi_ | I've added a new user, and tried to login with that account. I get the "Welcome to KDE" wizard, after which I get the same lockup at the same place. |
| 08:26.30 | Garibaldi_ | anyone have any ideas as to what might be the problem? |
| 08:26.32 | paloris_J | f00fbug: http://rafb.net/paste/results/dwz6lp88.html i hope that is right |
| 08:27.16 | lippel | paloris_J: see above, update kdelibs :) |
| 08:27.34 | paloris_J | lippel: I am pritty sure that I have KDE_3_4_BRANCH for kde libs |
| 08:27.40 | paloris_J | but I will check |
| 08:27.55 | lippel | paloris_J: then you have both and kdebase uses the wrong one |
| 08:28.58 | lippel | paloris_J: try kde-config --version before running configure |
| 08:29.19 | paloris_J | That could be the problem |
| 08:29.26 | paloris_J | I am running mandrake |
| 08:29.33 | paloris_J | 10.1 |
| 08:30.24 | lippel | then set KDEDIR to your 3.4 dir, and export PATH=$KDEDIR/bin:$PATH |
| 08:30.47 | lippel | then rerun configure |
| 08:31.23 | pusling | hmm... is it possible to get Konsole to make links clickable ? |
| 08:31.41 | paloris_J | I am doing a cvs update -r KDE_3_4_BRANCH and It appers to be updating quite a lot of files |
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| 08:34.19 | paloris_J | lippel: Although I could have swarn that I used cvs co -r KDE_3_4_BRANCH kdelibs to check out kdelibs |
| 08:35.03 | lippel | paloris_J: was there a kdelibs dir before? |
| 08:35.16 | lippel | where you checkout it now |
| 08:35.33 | paloris_J | yes there was |
| 08:35.50 | lippel | if you forgot to use 3_4_BRANCH, you had HEAD, which doesn't explain the problem |
| 08:36.12 | paloris_J | I moved the original to kdelibs-tmp |
| 08:36.12 | paloris_J | then checked it out again |
| 08:37.27 | paloris_J | Hopefully the problem is that I had 3.3 libs |
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| 08:38.32 | vlad | i keep getting an error that kontact is already running on this display, even though nothing relevant shows up in ps... does anyone know what i need to kill/delete to start it? |
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| 08:42.25 | omry | is that normal the kdeinit listens on vnc ports (5900, 5800) using ipv6? |
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| 08:42.52 | Garibaldi_ | anyone have any suggestions for my problem? |
| 08:43.12 | Garibaldi_ | please? |
| 08:44.51 | Garibaldi_ | this is not my post, but describes my problem: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-241399-highlight-interprocess+communication.html |
| 08:46.49 | paloris_J | Garibaldi_: is x working ok |
| 08:47.29 | Garibaldi_ | paloris_J: yeah, X generally works |
| 08:47.40 | Garibaldi_ | I can log in with twm |
| 08:48.31 | paloris_J | It could be worth creating a new tempory user and trying to start things with that |
| 08:48.35 | Garibaldi_ | I did |
| 08:48.37 | Garibaldi_ | nada |
| 08:48.42 | Garibaldi_ | I removed everything in /tmp |
| 08:48.48 | Garibaldi_ | and rebooted - nada |
| 08:48.57 | Garibaldi_ | I reinstalled kde - nada |
| 08:49.01 | Garibaldi_ | :-( |
| 08:50.18 | paloris_J | Garibaldi_: sorry I cant help you |
| 08:51.17 | Garibaldi_ | :-( |
| 08:51.19 | Garibaldi_ | thanks anyway |
| 08:51.24 | Garibaldi_ | this is very painful |
| 08:51.42 | Garibaldi_ | I have a presentation friday and I need something other than twm :-) |
| 08:53.28 | Garibaldi_ | I've seen some posts on forums.gentoo.org about it needing a proper hostname |
| 08:53.43 | Garibaldi_ | I've been using this configuration for several years, I can imagine something associated with that has caused a problem |
| 08:54.30 | paloris_J | lippel: you were right |
| 08:54.56 | paloris_J | /opt/kde/bin/kde-config -v |
| 08:54.56 | paloris_J | Qt: 3.3.3 |
| 08:54.56 | paloris_J | KDE: 3.3.2 |
| 08:54.57 | paloris_J | kde-config: 1.0 |
| 08:55.08 | lippel | paloris_J: see? :) |
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| 08:56.31 | paloris_J | lippel: yes |
| 08:58.03 | lippel | it's sometimes a bit tricky to keep versions separated - i put all the necessary exports etc. to a file, and do "source cvs-settings" before configure |
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| 08:59.15 | paloris_J | yes I put them into a file as well . but then just cat the file and paste it |
| 08:59.34 | paloris_J | usuallt that prevents any mistakes |
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| 09:00.01 | overseer | any quick hint on how to disable the /mnt/cdrom automount magicness in KDE/konqueror? I just had it start reading a CDR in the middle of a cdrecord session |
| 09:00.25 | overseer | (which made cdrecord barf) |
| 09:01.19 | sredna | overseer: Kde does not do automounting. Which OS do you run? |
| 09:01.41 | overseer | Fedora-Core-2 distro |
| 09:02.00 | overseer | nothing does "autorun" or its ilk? |
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| 09:02.07 | overseer | for cd-insertion events? |
| 09:02.08 | paloris_J | overseer: You could try editing the /etc/fstab file. |
| 09:02.14 | sredna | overseer: You probably need to turn automount off in the fedora configuration then |
| 09:02.19 | paloris_J | and remove the automount |
| 09:02.36 | overseer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:03.44 | overseer | if a konqueror browser window popped up -- and I didn't ask for it -- and I know autofs (the automounter) only issues 'mount' commands -- who opened the konq window? |
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| 09:07.51 | overseer | what is 'fam' ? |
| 09:08.18 | overseer | n/m -- file alteration monitor |
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| 09:10.37 | Garibaldi_ | When I try to login to KDE, X hangs (mouse moves, but nothing else will work) on "Setting up interprocess Communication" |
| 09:10.54 | Garibaldi_ | I've cleaned out everything in /tmp and rebooted as well as |
| 09:10.59 | overseer | look in your /var/log/Xorg.X.log |
| 09:11.05 | Garibaldi_ | hum, ok |
| 09:11.07 | Garibaldi_ | will do |
| 09:12.45 | overseer | where the second X is an integer |
| 09:12.48 | Garibaldi_ | yeah, 0 |
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| 09:13.22 | Garibaldi_ | right now my X recompile is finishing up, I think I've started and stopped X (w/o kde) a few times, so I lost anything that might be kde related |
| 09:13.38 | Garibaldi_ | and I don't wanna hangup my system before the X compile finishes |
| 09:13.51 | Garibaldi_ | anything specific I should be looking for in there? |
| 09:14.32 | overseer | have you been killing the X server when it "hangs" - using Ctrl-Alt-Backspace ? |
| 09:15.02 | Garibaldi_ | no |
| 09:15.06 | Garibaldi_ | ctrl-alt-backspace is a no-go |
| 09:15.15 | Garibaldi_ | so it ctrl-alt-F<n> |
| 09:15.25 | Garibaldi_ | I've been doing a ctrl-alt-sysrq-s-u-b |
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| 09:16.04 | overseer | you should be able to go back to the VT where you started it (ttyX) and hit Ctrl-C ? |
| 09:16.15 | overseer | or Ctrl-Z and then kill %1 |
| 09:16.39 | overseer | the sysrq only needs alt btw, no ctrl is necessary |
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| 09:17.19 | Garibaldi_ | but I'm in X |
| 09:17.44 | Garibaldi_ | I can't switch back to the vt |
| 09:17.47 | overseer | ctrl-alt Fn doesn't work? |
| 09:17.52 | Garibaldi_ | no |
| 09:18.00 | overseer | then you should use a remote console to kill it |
| 09:18.05 | overseer | ssh into your box ? |
| 09:18.24 | Garibaldi_ | one sec |
| 09:18.26 | overseer | it would also let you see where in the startup process it's hanging |
| 09:18.29 | overseer | pstree |
| 09:19.41 | overseer | B*^#%@*#^ redhat has a package called 'autorun' -- it sucks -- you should delete it |
| 09:19.58 | overseer | it helps you make coasters while burning CD-R's -- or worse DVD-R 's |
| 09:20.16 | Garibaldi_ | overseer: okay, I'll crank up sshd and login remotely next time I try |
| 09:20.50 | overseer | ok all-wise KDE folk -- get this: |
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| 09:21.11 | overseer | kdeinit runs 'autorun' -- apparently a redhat supplied package |
| 09:21.20 | overseer | how do i kill this 'autorun' from starting up? |
| 09:21.28 | overseer | where could they have put it |
| 09:21.51 | overseer | not in /etc/kderc nor /etc/kde/* |
| 09:23.50 | Garibaldi_ | overseer: okay, nothing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:23.57 | overseer | like -- empty file? |
| 09:24.01 | overseer | 0 bytes? |
| 09:24.03 | Garibaldi_ | (btw, still locks up after an X rebuild) |
| 09:24.09 | Garibaldi_ | no, just nothing unusual |
| 09:24.14 | Garibaldi_ | last thing is: Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/CID/, removing from list! |
| 09:24.18 | overseer | pstree show the X server still running? |
| 09:24.30 | overseer | is your x font server running 'xfs' ? |
| 09:24.30 | Garibaldi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.30 | Garibaldi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.30 | Garibaldi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.30 | Garibaldi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.35 | Garibaldi_ | no |
| 09:24.43 | overseer | killall X |
| 09:24.49 | overseer | service xfs start |
| 09:24.51 | overseer | and try again |
| 09:24.54 | overseer | ? |
| 09:25.00 | slayerbob | stroh! |
| 09:25.11 | Garibaldi_ | I've never used xfs on this machine... I don't even think I have it installed |
| 09:25.56 | Garibaldi_ | everything was working fine until yesterday |
| 09:26.03 | overseer | well -- maybe not then... |
| 09:26.03 | Garibaldi_ | all of the sudden it just stopped working |
| 09:26.10 | overseer | klauncher looks like it's stuck |
| 09:26.47 | Garibaldi_ | what's odd is I created a totally new user |
| 09:27.01 | Garibaldi_ | that user can login, go through the 'new kde user' wizard |
| 09:27.18 | Garibaldi_ | then, when it gets to "Setting up interprocess Communication," it locks up in the same way. |
| 09:27.49 | Garibaldi_ | (which is the same place my normal user locks up) |
| 09:27.58 | Garibaldi_ | I've tried rebuilding X, I've tried rebuilding kde |
| 09:28.08 | Garibaldi_ | I'm running out of ideas |
| 09:28.11 | Garibaldi_ | I've cleaned out /tmp |
| 09:28.23 | Garibaldi_ | I've verified the proper permissions on /tmp |
| 09:29.10 | Garibaldi_ | my hostname is set, I have an entry in /etc/hosts mapping the hostname to my loopback interface |
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| 09:32.43 | slayerbob | ullo :P |
| 09:32.47 | Garibaldi_ | if I start it, then kill off klauncher, it starts a new one |
| 09:32.49 | Garibaldi_ | but it's still stuck |
| 09:33.07 | Garibaldi_ | overseer: dcop will talk |
| 09:33.14 | Garibaldi_ | dcop --user ard |
| 09:33.14 | Garibaldi_ | kded |
| 09:33.14 | Garibaldi_ | klauncher |
| 09:33.48 | overseer | run X as a newly created user |
| 09:33.51 | canllaith | :P |
| 09:34.06 | overseer | that way your old configs can be excluded as being a reason |
| 09:34.23 | Garibaldi_ | 04:26 < Garibaldi_> what's odd is I created a totally new user |
| 09:34.23 | Garibaldi_ | 04:26 < Garibaldi_> that user can login, go through the 'new kde user' wizard |
| 09:34.34 | Garibaldi_ | (tried that) |
| 09:34.47 | Garibaldi_ | after the user goes through the setup wizard, it locks up at the same point |
| 09:35.54 | Garibaldi_ | it doesn't look like dcop can invoke anything on klauncher |
| 09:36.04 | Garibaldi_ | everything I try I get "call failed" |
| 09:36.36 | Garibaldi_ | what's 'kded' |
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| 09:36.53 | Garibaldi_ | I just tried a dcop on that and dcop is hanging |
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| 09:38.22 | lippel | Garibaldi_: did you report this problem here some days ago? |
| 09:38.32 | Garibaldi_ | lippel: nope |
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| 09:38.42 | Garibaldi_ | lippel: just started happening yesterday |
| 09:38.43 | Garibaldi_ | (for me) |
| 09:38.53 | Garibaldi_ | this is on my laptop, my desktop machine works fine |
| 09:39.06 | lippel | without updating anything? |
| 09:39.24 | Garibaldi_ | lippel: nothing kde related that I know of |
| 09:39.27 | Garibaldi_ | let me check the logs |
| 09:39.44 | Garibaldi_ | reinstalled xorg-x11 today |
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| 09:40.07 | Garibaldi_ | reinstalled kde-env kdelibs kdebase arts kdegraphics kdeaccessibility kdeartwork kdeutils kdemultimedia today |
| 09:40.57 | canllaith | Garibaldi_: what about your networking settings or firewall? |
| 09:41.04 | canllaith | apt: userguide-networking-x |
| 09:41.08 | canllaith | mmmm |
| 09:41.14 | canllaith | I can't remember what I told the silly bot |
| 09:41.20 | canllaith | apt: ug-networking-x |
| 09:41.21 | apt | from memory, ug-networking-x is http://people.fruitsalad.org/phil/kde/userguide-tng/troubleshooting.html#troubleshooting-network-x |
| 09:41.33 | canllaith | Garibaldi_: That URL may help |
| 09:41.34 | overseer | Ok, I found Autorun -- and it's within KDE: Configure - Desktop - Paths - Autostart path |
| 09:42.19 | Garibaldi_ | updated librsvg libexif curl ethereal nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel libxslt xterm perl gpm before that |
| 09:42.34 | Garibaldi_ | that was the last 'update' I did prior to the breakage |
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| 09:42.50 | Garibaldi_ | canllaith: thanks, I'll take a look |
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| 09:43.43 | Garibaldi_ | http://people.fruitsalad.org/phil/kde/userguide-tng/troubleshooting.html#troubleshooting-network-x |
| 09:43.49 | Garibaldi_ | oops, sorry |
| 09:44.07 | Brianetta | Does anybody have any idea why digikam can't get my pictureds from my camera? It autodetects it fine (and it works on my machine at home) and gphoto2 has no trouble fetching the images. It just tells me that it "Failed to initialize camera. Please ensure camera is connected..." |
| 09:45.16 | Garibaldi_ | canllaith: I have my hostname in /etc/hosts |
| 09:45.36 | Garibaldi_ | it's set to 'sinclair' and in /etc/hosts I have: 127.0.0.1 localhost sinclair |
| 09:45.55 | Garibaldi_ | I stopped my firewall just to make sure that it wasn't causing a problem |
| 09:46.00 | Garibaldi_ | still get the same behavior |
| 09:46.35 | Brianetta | Wait, root can do it |
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| 09:46.54 | Brianetta | Anybody knows what I need to change permissions on so that digikam can do its thing? (: |
| 09:47.46 | Garibaldi_ | canllaith: maybe it's some nvidia problem? |
| 09:47.57 | Garibaldi_ | though I can't imagine how |
| 09:48.07 | canllaith | I think it's very unlikely... although I haven't updated my nvidia driver in about 2 weeks so... if there is a new one... who knows. |
| 09:48.12 | Garibaldi_ | the desktop manager starts, I can login |
| 09:48.19 | Garibaldi_ | I can use twm all day long |
| 09:48.28 | Garibaldi_ | (as impressive as that is) |
| 09:48.48 | canllaith | What about gnome, do you have it installed? |
| 09:48.50 | Garibaldi_ | I've not changed any of my networking configuration |
| 09:48.59 | Garibaldi_ | I don't have gnome installed |
| 09:49.09 | canllaith | ok, just wondering. Gives us something else to test to see if it's broken too :) |
| 09:49.09 | Garibaldi_ | I have gnome components installed, but now the wm itself |
| 09:49.27 | lippel | you could install fluxbox to avoid eye cancer ;-) |
| 09:49.50 | Garibaldi_ | yeah, I was thinking about installing something else until I can get this fixed. |
| 09:49.58 | Garibaldi_ | v. frustrating |
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| 09:50.42 | Garibaldi_ | guess I'll install fluxbox, don't so much care for gnome |
| 09:50.54 | Garibaldi_ | aside from it would take a while |
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| 09:51.52 | Garibaldi_ | are there any known issues with KDE and any particular version of xorg-x11? |
| 09:51.59 | winjer | this is really really weird |
| 09:52.04 | winjer | konsole is ignoring my shift key |
| 09:52.07 | winjer | but nothing else is |
| 09:52.35 | winjer | 11111 |
| 09:52.35 | winjer | 9those were plings0 |
| 09:52.36 | winjer | and those were parentheses ;0 |
| 09:52.36 | canllaith | Garibaldi_: no, none at all |
| 09:52.50 | Garibaldi_ | sadness |
| 09:52.56 | canllaith | I've used it on 6.8.0, 6.8.1 and 6.8.2 |
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| 09:53.31 | Garibaldi_ | I wish I knew what when on when it was "Setting up interprocess Communication" |
| 09:53.44 | Garibaldi_ | that seems to be the sticking point |
| 09:54.03 | Garibaldi_ | does kde itself keep logs anywhere? |
| 09:54.20 | canllaith | You can check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 09:54.28 | slayerbob | :P |
| 09:55.21 | sredna | Garibaldi_: "Setting up interprocess Communication" mewans starting dcopserver |
| 09:55.22 | overseer | that might be more helpful than var/log/Xorg.N.log |
| 09:55.44 | Garibaldi_ | Setup done, will execute: /usr/bin/ssh-agent -- /usr/kde/3.3/bin/startkde |
| 09:55.52 | Garibaldi_ | xset: bad font path element (#150), possible causes are: |
| 09:56.48 | Garibaldi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.48 | Garibaldi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.48 | Garibaldi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.48 | Garibaldi_ | startkde: Starting up... |
| 09:56.58 | Garibaldi_ | then |
| 09:57.01 | Garibaldi_ | QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used |
| 09:57.04 | Garibaldi_ | (twice) |
| 09:57.10 | Garibaldi_ | and that's the last thing in there |
| 09:57.15 | Garibaldi_ | I'm not sure what that xset error is |
| 09:57.49 | daimoni | .. and what is the problem exactly? |
| 09:58.10 | Garibaldi_ | daimoni: X locks up when I log into KDE |
| 09:58.16 | Garibaldi_ | on ""Setting up interprocess Communication" |
| 09:58.35 | daimoni | hm i've got that sometimes too |
| 09:58.42 | daimoni | some permission problem |
| 09:58.50 | daimoni | i'd remember... |
| 09:58.54 | sredna | Garibaldi_: Try romvong ~/.DCOP* and ~/.ICE* |
| 09:59.01 | Garibaldi_ | sredna: did that |
| 09:59.15 | Garibaldi_ | sredna: even went so far as to create a totally new user on the system |
| 09:59.31 | overseer | are there any related files in /tmp ? |
| 09:59.33 | Garibaldi_ | sredna: the user could login, but after going through the setup wizard, I got the lockup in the same place. |
| 09:59.42 | Garibaldi_ | overseer: I cleaned out /tmp totally too |
| 10:00.08 | Garibaldi_ | well, went to single user mode, cleaned out /tmp, then rebooted |
| 10:00.09 | sredna | Garibaldi_: So you have a system wide misconfiguration of some sorts |
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| 10:00.32 | Garibaldi_ | sredna: I guess that's possible, but I'm not aware of any misconfiguration I've done in the last two days |
| 10:00.36 | lippel | what about /var/tmp? |
| 10:00.43 | Garibaldi_ | lippel: haven't checked /var/tmp |
| 10:00.50 | sredna | Those should be links, lippel |
| 10:01.18 | lippel | hmm, i have kdecache_frank in /var/tmp |
| 10:01.24 | lippel | the rest is in /tmp |
| 10:01.34 | Garibaldi_ | yeah, I have kdecache-ard there |
| 10:02.01 | Garibaldi_ | and in /tmp/kdecache-ard I have: ksycoca -> /var/tmp/kdecache-ard/ksycoca |
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| 10:02.55 | Garibaldi_ | maybe I should clean out /var/tmp/kde* and /tmp/kde* and try again |
| 10:03.05 | Garibaldi_ | since the /tmp stuff was only a symlink |
| 10:04.44 | Garibaldi_ | no-go, same error |
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| 10:07.26 | f00fbug | klax sucks |
| 10:07.31 | f00fbug | im getting kubuntu livecd |
| 10:07.48 | Garibaldi_ | well |
| 10:07.53 | Garibaldi_ | fluxbox works, hehe |
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| 10:08.19 | Garibaldi_ | guess I'll go with that until kde 3.4 goes stable, maybe upgrading to that will magically fix whatever's broken |
| 10:09.37 | f00fbug | i love kde 3.4 |
| 10:09.47 | f00fbug | but in klax my keyboard wouldnt work |
| 10:10.41 | rootkit | klax? |
| 10:10.47 | f00fbug | i have 20 minutes until (ahhhhh heavenly angles singing) kubuntu dls |
| 10:10.47 | Garibaldi_ | well, thanks to everyone that tried to help |
| 10:11.00 | Garibaldi_ | I'm sure I'll be back sometime soon to try to get this worked out |
| 10:11.00 | f00fbug | rootkit: a livecd with kde3.4 |
| 10:11.09 | Garibaldi_ | goodnight all |
| 10:11.31 | rootkit | oh |
| 10:12.16 | rootkit | f00fbug: based off slackware? |
| 10:12.28 | f00fbug | yeah |
| 10:12.40 | rootkit | ahh ok |
| 10:12.49 | rootkit | sounds like slax :P |
| 10:12.56 | rootkit | the other slackwar elivecd |
| 10:12.58 | rootkit | :) |
| 10:13.15 | f00fbug | s/la/ux |
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| 10:23.49 | slayerbob | :P |
| 10:23.53 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 10:23.58 | slayerbob | this channel all quiet now :( |
| 10:24.11 | slayerbob | aseigo: say something contentious |
| 10:29.17 | anisX | hai uncle bob! |
| 10:29.20 | anisX | ;) |
| 10:29.28 | anisX | uncle bob bored ? |
| 10:29.31 | anisX | that is weird :p |
| 10:30.11 | slayerbob | who said i was bored ? :P |
| 10:30.18 | slayerbob | hiya anisX |
| 10:30.38 | slayerbob | you speak japanese ? |
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| 10:32.30 | rabauke | hello, hello |
| 10:32.35 | slayerbob | greetings |
| 10:33.58 | anisX | slayerbob: no im not..i dont know japanese..why uncle bob ? |
| 10:34.11 | slayerbob | "hai" is japanese |
| 10:34.36 | anisX | oh okie |
| 10:34.38 | anisX | thanks |
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| 10:45.10 | slayerbob | so what have you been up to anisX ? |
| 10:45.51 | anisX | slayerbob: nothing much uncle bob , i just went back from computer shope |
| 10:45.53 | anisX | *shop |
| 10:46.08 | anisX | im very tired..i just done test 2 today |
| 10:46.10 | slayerbob | :P |
| 10:46.14 | slayerbob | test 2 ? |
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| 10:46.38 | anisX | yes..exam..subject system analysis and design II |
| 10:46.45 | slayerbob | ah :P |
| 10:46.51 | anisX | i love that subject compares to Java subject |
| 10:47.01 | slayerbob | heh |
| 10:47.24 | anisX | soon i must buy pci card raid for HDD |
| 10:47.32 | anisX | i still has 30 GB hdd |
| 10:47.38 | slayerbob | and you want a raid array ? |
| 10:47.44 | anisX | dont have ide cable available to plug in |
| 10:47.57 | slayerbob | oh they are only something like $2 anyways |
| 10:48.09 | anisX | for now , i has 3 hdd on my pc, i want add 2 more hdd on myc |
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| 10:48.19 | anisX | *my pc |
| 10:48.26 | slayerbob | heh |
| 10:48.28 | anisX | that is cheap slayerbob |
| 10:48.42 | anisX | here is 30 usd |
| 10:48.48 | slayerbob | for a cable ? |
| 10:48.48 | slayerbob | :| |
| 10:48.53 | anisX | no |
| 10:48.56 | anisX | for the pci card |
| 10:49.03 | slayerbob | that's a cheap card |
| 10:49.23 | anisX | i can buy the ide cable with 0.50 usd here |
| 10:49.40 | slayerbob | :P |
| 10:49.57 | anisX | you also can buy any windows cd with 1.50 usd here..pirate one! :p |
| 10:50.18 | f00fbug | hoary live, here i come! |
| 10:50.24 | slayerbob | lol |
| 10:50.30 | slayerbob | or you can get linux for free :P |
| 10:50.33 | slayerbob | better and cheaper :P |
| 10:50.44 | anisX | slayerbob: that is why i am on Linux now! |
| 10:50.53 | anisX | i just log off to windows for printing :/ |
| 10:51.18 | daimoni | define "better" ... |
| 10:51.19 | f00fbug | anisX: you need a HP printer |
| 10:51.19 | anisX | hope someone can build the driver for canon pixma ip1000 :/ |
| 10:51.37 | anisX | f00fbug: no virus or blue screen!! :p |
| 10:51.53 | slayerbob | daimoni: can run kde :) |
| 10:51.59 | f00fbug | bastards!! |
| 10:51.59 | anisX | f00fbug: i just buy it , i cant afford to buy more printer dude |
| 10:52.06 | f00fbug | i cant get the last CD off the stack!! |
| 10:52.07 | slayerbob | anisX: what type of printer do you have that won't run with linux ? :| |
| 10:52.09 | f00fbug | ARGH! |
| 10:52.27 | anisX | slayerbob: Canon PIXMA IP1000 |
| 10:52.28 | daimoni | slayerbob: yeah well, in my opinion Mac OS X is better than lin+win together ;) |
| 10:52.44 | f00fbug | but macosx is commercial |
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| 10:53.06 | f00fbug | besides macosx dosent have KDE |
| 10:53.07 | f00fbug | :P |
| 10:53.08 | slayerbob | daimoni: osx can run kde then ? |
| 10:53.26 | daimoni | yes |
| 10:53.30 | slayerbob | f00fbug: thank you - that makes it incompatible with my contextual definition of better :P |
| 10:53.31 | anisX | slayerbob: http://www.canon.com.au/products/printers/colour_bj_printers/ip1000.html |
| 10:53.39 | daimoni | f00fbug: bullshit |
| 10:53.51 | daimoni | http://kde.opendarwin.org/ |
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| 10:54.13 | f00fbug | daimoni: well im quite content with my cheaper x86 |
| 10:54.13 | anisX | believe me..im falling in love with kde and linux now..just 6-7 months migrate to linux |
| 10:54.14 | f00fbug | :) |
| 10:54.15 | daimoni | native build there, X11 build available through Fink |
| 10:54.29 | anisX | slayerbob: can u build the driver for me ? |
| 10:54.35 | daimoni | i run kde/slackware at work anyway, macs at home :) |
| 10:54.44 | slayerbob | anisX: sadly i do not know how to program |
| 10:54.58 | f00fbug | i program |
| 10:55.00 | f00fbug | but im busy |
| 10:55.07 | f00fbug | i have midterms tomarrow |
| 10:55.27 | anisX | slayerbob: hmm..that is okey,hope soon some programmer can build it for us |
| 10:55.35 | f00fbug | i already blew a lot of study time on my CMS |
| 10:56.05 | slayerbob | canon is notorious for not releasing specs for their products which makes it difficult to develop drivers |
| 10:56.20 | slayerbob | after the hassles i had with my canon scanner under linux i would not buy another canon product |
| 10:56.37 | f00fbug | i hate cannon |
| 10:56.42 | daimoni | "falling in love" with software sounds pretty stupid, no offence :) software is a tool which either works or not :) |
| 10:56.44 | anisX | slayerbob: but many people canon was good :/ |
| 10:56.49 | anisX | *said |
| 10:57.18 | f00fbug | software is life and death |
| 10:58.11 | f00fbug | booting hoary live |
| 10:58.11 | daimoni | life for me, at least since i get my living from it :) |
| 10:58.28 | slayerbob | oh canon products are good - but their new ones are often a pain to make work under linux because of their policies |
| 10:58.30 | anisX | slayerbob: uncle bob!..i need to sleep..very tired |
| 10:58.43 | slayerbob | anisX: i suggest unconscious |
| 10:58.50 | slayerbob | *unconsciousness |
| 10:59.04 | f00fbug | HP makes the best printers |
| 10:59.04 | anisX | ah..why ? |
| 10:59.06 | f00fbug | hands down |
| 10:59.19 | slayerbob | f00fbug: well the best cheap printers in any case :) |
| 10:59.29 | f00fbug | most their printers are more efficient than their competitors |
| 10:59.33 | anisX | bubye |
| 10:59.35 | anisX | muahh! |
| 10:59.36 | anisX | -x- |
| 10:59.41 | f00fbug | mine uses 40% less ink than the rest |
| 10:59.42 | slayerbob | although i have been very impressed with some of the kyocera printers over the past couple of years |
| 10:59.44 | slayerbob | nite anisX |
| 10:59.57 | f00fbug | and besides |
| 11:00.12 | f00fbug | hpijs.sf.net is reason enough to go HP |
| 11:00.17 | slayerbob | heh |
| 11:00.39 | f00fbug | and ZSNES is reason why i stay on x86 |
| 11:00.40 | f00fbug | lol |
| 11:00.50 | f00fbug | i cant live w/o that program |
| 11:00.51 | f00fbug | lol |
| 11:00.55 | f00fbug | well i could |
| 11:01.01 | f00fbug | but life would be more boring |
| 11:01.14 | f00fbug | YAAY |
| 11:01.19 | f00fbug | and kde loads on my laptop |
| 11:01.26 | f00fbug | in the superior hoary disk |
| 11:01.30 | f00fbug | with... 3.4!! |
| 11:01.52 | mobtek | slayerbob: yeah I have a kyocera fs-1010 laser printer, it ROCKS, I print a newletter avg'ing 14 pages every 2 months, a cartridge last almost 12 months :) |
| 11:02.03 | mobtek | thats 50 copies of each newletter too :) |
| 11:02.23 | f00fbug | mobtek: how is kyocera in linux? |
| 11:02.28 | f00fbug | thats the big thing here |
| 11:02.34 | f00fbug | it absolutely must work in linux |
| 11:02.45 | f00fbug | the only way we use windows here is on one box and its on vmware |
| 11:02.50 | mobtek | f00fbug: ahh I haven't tried it on linux since I was doing all my newsletter stuff on windows |
| 11:02.54 | mobtek | but thats about to change |
| 11:03.05 | f00fbug | vmware is nice for usb printers |
| 11:03.06 | mobtek | so I'll let you know when I've made the changeover hehehe |
| 11:03.16 | f00fbug | just connect it via SMB |
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| 11:03.50 | paza | hi, is there any other cd cover making software than kcdlabel availlable for kde ? |
| 11:03.57 | slayerbob | mobtek: the kyocera a couple of models up does something like 15000 pages on a $200 cartridge |
| 11:04.06 | slayerbob | iirc |
| 11:04.27 | f00fbug | sweet |
| 11:04.32 | f00fbug | inkjet or laser? |
| 11:04.36 | f00fbug | ahh laser |
| 11:04.37 | slayerbob | laser |
| 11:04.37 | mobtek | slayerbob: I worked out the other day I had done over 12000 pages on that cartridge |
| 11:04.38 | f00fbug | xD |
| 11:04.46 | slayerbob | mobtek: nice |
| 11:04.52 | f00fbug | I love lasers |
| 11:04.52 | mobtek | so I'm happy kekeke |
| 11:04.59 | f00fbug | brain lasers ;) |
| 11:05.12 | mobtek | plus I have my very very usage HP psc1210 |
| 11:05.18 | mobtek | which owns for colour printing |
| 11:05.18 | slayerbob | my hp 1100 only does 3500 pages on a $100 cartridge |
| 11:05.20 | mobtek | ink jet |
| 11:05.29 | slayerbob | heh |
| 11:05.38 | slayerbob | i have an old deskjet 970Cxi |
| 11:05.38 | mobtek | slayerbob: heh |
| 11:05.51 | slayerbob | has photo printing and a duplex unit |
| 11:06.02 | slayerbob | i never use it :P |
| 11:06.45 | f00fbug | great |
| 11:06.53 | f00fbug | w000t! |
| 11:07.00 | f00fbug | the default theme in 3.4 is plastik! |
| 11:07.07 | f00fbug | now they have acquired taste! |
| 11:07.31 | mobtek | hahah |
| 11:07.35 | StarScreem | hmm can't wait for 3.4 |
| 11:07.50 | mobtek | how long before the 3.4.0 announcement? must be vera vera close I would think |
| 11:08.32 | slayerbob | should be released some time in the next month |
| 11:08.56 | f00fbug | wait |
| 11:08.58 | slayerbob | or if you believe the kde people, tomorrow :P |
| 11:09.03 | f00fbug | its targeted for 16th |
| 11:09.17 | slayerbob | erm... today now :P |
| 11:09.43 | mobtek | in 2 hours it's the 16th here :) |
| 11:10.02 | slayerbob | you australians are always behind the times :P |
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| 11:10.19 | f00f|kde34 | :D |
| 11:10.24 | f00f|kde34 | it rocks!!!!!! |
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| 11:17.12 | mobtek | hehehe |
| 11:17.21 | mobtek | I forgot you are a kiwi :P |
| 11:17.28 | slayerbob | :P |
| 11:18.01 | slayerbob | the only downside to picking on australians is that there are 6 times as many of you as there are of us :P |
| 11:20.01 | mobtek | kekeke |
| 11:20.16 | mobtek | me and my 500 mates are coming to get drunk in your town |
| 11:20.16 | slayerbob | what exactly does kekeke mean ? |
| 11:20.19 | mobtek | your screwed now :) |
| 11:20.24 | slayerbob | only 500 ? |
| 11:20.24 | mobtek | it means hehehehe |
| 11:20.34 | slayerbob | there are already more than 500 australians here :P |
| 11:20.34 | mobtek | slayerbob: just immediate mates |
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| 11:21.54 | canllaith | in our home town you'd have to compete with hundreds of overseas tourists |
| 11:22.10 | canllaith | 500 aussies wouldn't get noticed |
| 11:22.28 | mobtek | heh |
| 11:23.03 | slayerbob | :P |
| 11:23.43 | slayerbob | but if you noticed them you could pick on their accent canllaith :D |
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| 11:24.17 | canllaith | only if they're from qld |
| 11:24.27 | slayerbob | :P |
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| 11:32.15 | mobtek | what version of arts is in 3.4.0-rc1 |
| 11:32.16 | mobtek | ? |
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| 11:39.36 | mobtek | 3.4.0 actually HEH |
| 11:40.35 | slayerbob | funny that :P |
| 11:40.36 | sarah03 | Dunno about 3.4, but 3.3.92 has arts 1.3.92, so I would suspect arts 1.4? |
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| 11:42.49 | apokryphos | thiago: what non-gui option? :) |
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| 11:44.32 | thiago | it's in the page you linked |
| 11:45.14 | apokryphos | thiago: oh, the page has changed since I last visited. |
| 11:45.22 | apokryphos | will try that now |
| 11:45.44 | canllaith | interesting, I'm still using artsd 1.3.9.1 lol |
| 11:45.56 | canllaith | but kde-config --version claims 3.4.0 |
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| 11:46.13 | slayerbob | :P |
| 11:47.19 | apokryphos | thiago: it works, yes. :) |
| 11:48.05 | thiago | please close the bug report :) |
| 11:48.43 | apokryphos | will do; though, still -- don't you think konqueror should handle that in a better way when the option isn't enabled? |
| 11:48.55 | apokryphos | I'll leave that up to you guys. |
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| 11:56.27 | jyl57 | Hello ! I've a problem when starting a KDE session for a new user |
| 11:56.51 | jyl57 | The log says : "Permission denied |
| 11:56.52 | jyl57 | failed to create //.kde/share/config/ |
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| 11:58.21 | slayerbob | you probably need to change some permissions :) |
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| 11:58.42 | sarah03 | You probably need to make sure $HOME is set correctly, too. |
| 11:59.10 | slayerbob | heh |
| 11:59.31 | slayerbob | doesn't everyone have their home directory in / ? |
| 11:59.40 | canllaith | :P LOL |
| 11:59.40 | slayerbob | :P |
| 11:59.43 | jyl57 | sarah03 : how to check if $HOME is OK ?! |
| 12:00.05 | canllaith | jyl57: grep username /etc/passwd |
| 12:00.11 | canllaith | Then as that user, echo $HOME |
| 12:00.13 | sarah03 | echo $HOME |
| 12:00.14 | canllaith | make sure both are ok..... |
| 12:01.31 | jyl57 | echo $HOME ==> /home/koha (koha is my new user!) |
| 12:04.47 | jyl57 | It's Ok also with password, and I can logg in console with my user |
| 12:05.37 | jyl57 | strange thing for the grep koha /etc/passwd |
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| 12:05.49 | jyl57 | koha:x:1002:500:koha:/home/koha:/bin/bash |
| 12:06.08 | jyl57 | 1002 & 500 are two different groups ?! |
| 12:06.24 | sarah03 | 1002 is your uid, 500 is your gid. |
| 12:06.25 | Noldo | 1002 is uid 500 is gid |
| 12:06.35 | jyl57 | Ha ok |
| 12:07.58 | jyl57 | Will try to add another user to check... |
| 12:08.39 | sarah03 | Hm, it could also be /home/koha doesn't exist. |
| 12:08.48 | sarah03 | [Just another idea.] |
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| 12:09.22 | Skiver | hello |
| 12:10.47 | jyl57 | sarah03 : /home/koha is here... |
| 12:12.10 | cryos | thiago: On the bug you commented - did you mean the patch was bad? Any links I can check out - I am still learning more on KDE/Qt programming. |
| 12:12.38 | jyl57 | My other user 'test' seems OK... ggrrr... Can I rename it easily to 'koha' ? |
| 12:12.49 | sarah03 | jyl57: Is /home/koha owned by koha? |
| 12:13.02 | bushwakko | Im using rc1 but suddenly my konqueror icon is gone, and the entire control panel is gone... only thing in there is gtk-layout |
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| 12:14.59 | jyl57 | sarah03: yes it is ! |
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| 12:15.45 | sarah03 | Hm. Then I'm without a clue as to why it's not working. Renaming 'test' to 'koha' should be fully possible ... it'll take a bit of editing of /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, and renaming /home/test -> /home/koha. |
| 12:15.51 | cryos | thiago: Guess you aren't around right now. It was the kasteroids bug and I would really like to help fix it properly if I haven't :) |
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| 12:17.10 | jyl57 | hhmmm... Will come back on that later ! thank sarah03 ! |
| 12:18.08 | sarah03 | :) |
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| 12:33.05 | snugglemonkey | Anyone have problems getting kdelibs to compile, due to kdesu/su.cpp? Due to lines 214, 247, 265. "Jump to case label" seems to be the problem. |
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| 12:45.50 | mobtek | is it the 16th yet? |
| 12:45.52 | mobtek | :P |
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| 12:50.50 | dStruct- | where do i stop Klipper from starting at? |
| 12:55.05 | mobtek | from teh klipper configuration dialog |
| 12:55.10 | mobtek | iirc |
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| 12:57.36 | snugglemonkey | mobtek: I didn't understand the "16th yet comment?" |
| 12:57.53 | snugglemonkey | is there some release date or something? |
| 12:58.01 | illissius | snugglemonkey: yes, 3.4 iirc |
| 12:58.12 | snugglemonkey | oh, ok. :) |
| 12:58.36 | snugglemonkey | So, build issues should be at a minimum at this point. ;) |
| 12:58.57 | canllaith | I had that same error snugglemonkey |
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| 12:59.17 | canllaith | sooo lets see. |
| 12:59.22 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: you'd be proud. I found the file, and tried to fix it. |
| 12:59.29 | canllaith | :) |
| 12:59.29 | snugglemonkey | "tried" |
| 12:59.37 | canllaith | su.cpp: In member function `int SuProcess::ConverseSU(const char*)': |
| 12:59.38 | canllaith | ? |
| 12:59.48 | snugglemonkey | which resulting in several middle fingers, as it all looks right. |
| 12:59.54 | snugglemonkey | "right" |
| 13:00.49 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: the error is identical. |
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| 13:01.44 | canllaith | :P |
| 13:01.56 | canllaith | whoops |
| 13:02.00 | canllaith | and I hope that was running in screen |
| 13:03.13 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: I'm hosting koffice.org. I had NO idea that people went to that website so much. Simply amazing to watch the bandwidth use. |
| 13:03.20 | canllaith | hehehe |
| 13:03.21 | canllaith | :) |
| 13:03.42 | snugglemonkey | ls |
| 13:06.35 | dStruct- | i found it |
| 13:06.37 | dStruct- | when i closed it |
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| 13:10.55 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: it fails again. |
| 13:11.04 | canllaith | not having a dually I don't think I'm up there yet heh |
| 13:11.30 | snugglemonkey | dually got new processors... and is faster now. |
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| 14:04.29 | mobtek | ooh 3.4.0 ebuilds seem to be in |
| 14:06.42 | dwango | monolithic ones? |
| 14:06.48 | MrPingouin | prepare your cpu then ;) |
| 14:08.09 | mobtek | split |
| 14:08.24 | mobtek | well I haven't tried downloading yet kekeke |
| 14:08.36 | mobtek | I suspect the mirrors aren't fully updated yet |
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| 14:13.31 | dwango | monolithic builds are in too |
| 14:13.32 | dwango | yay |
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| 14:22.10 | bushwakko | both split and mono has been there for a few days |
| 14:22.30 | bushwakko | a little annoying though |
| 14:22.30 | bushwakko | that I can't upgrade because there is no tarballs yet |
| 14:23.04 | dwango | yea |
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| 14:24.38 | Roey | hi all |
| 14:24.47 | dwango | hi |
| 14:25.00 | bushwakko | the most annoying part though is that I had a buggy kdebase-data and I didn't see the -r1 of it, because of 3.4.0-final |
| 14:25.45 | SteamedPenguin | ok, I spent 5 minutes looking to see if KDE 3.4 was on some servers, and it isn't. now back to slashdot |
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| 14:26.06 | Roey | SteamedPenguin: are you making your own kde debs still? |
| 14:26.21 | SteamedPenguin | nope |
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| 14:27.54 | Roey | I'm giving up with Debian.. |
| 14:27.57 | Roey | I'm thinking to go to Alioth |
| 14:28.02 | Roey | Kanotix/64 |
| 14:28.15 | Roey | debian doesn't have xorg, it doesn't have amd64 support.. arg. |
| 14:28.24 | Roey | the biggest thing for me is the amd64 support. |
| 14:28.25 | Roey | anyhow |
| 14:28.41 | annma | hi robin |
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| 14:28.51 | annma | Roey I mean |
| 14:28.53 | mobtek | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-308179.html <-- for the gentoo users :) |
| 14:29.00 | bushwakko | Roey: gentoo it is then |
| 14:29.01 | mobtek | heeh SteamedPenguin |
| 14:29.03 | annma | completion should read my mind |
| 14:29.10 | ht990332 | just downloaded kde 3.4 RC1 packages for Fedora Core 3 ( I haven't tried any kde 3.4 yet ). Should I install or just wait for the final? |
| 14:29.19 | Roey | annma: hear, hear |
| 14:29.22 | mobtek | Roey: you coming to gentoo? /me does a dance |
| 14:29.24 | SteamedPenguin | ht990332: really just wait |
| 14:29.39 | illogic-al | http://illogic-al.org/~orville/desktop_3.4.png |
| 14:29.59 | illogic-al | :-D |
| 14:30.04 | annma | mobtek: did you try gentoo 3.4 ebuild? |
| 14:30.09 | SteamedPenguin | Roey: one of the lead ebuild creators is Israeli. Dan Armak |
| 14:30.30 | mobtek | annma: packages aren't there yet |
| 14:30.31 | annma | ht990332: should be quite stable as RC1 owever 3.4 final is out in a few days |
| 14:30.35 | mobtek | still masked |
| 14:30.36 | annma | mobtek: no? |
| 14:30.49 | Roey | SteamedPenguin: I don't know if I want to use gentoo just yet -- sounds too ricer-y |
| 14:31.05 | annma | The ebuilds are for kde developers for testing before they relase kde 3.4.0. |
| 14:31.10 | annma | so they are there |
| 14:31.19 | SteamedPenguin | Roey: it is the middle east, we always like more rice. :) |
| 14:31.23 | ht990332 | annma: I'm currently using 3.3.2. I'm counting the minutes till 3.4.0 :) |
| 14:31.24 | dwango | It's not ricer-y. |
| 14:31.25 | mobtek | Roey: use this |
| 14:31.34 | Roey | SteamedPenguin: do you eat basmati |
| 14:31.42 | mobtek | CFLAGS="-O -march=pentium4 -pipe" <-- roey non-riceh :P |
| 14:31.42 | SteamedPenguin | Roey: I eat any rice |
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| 14:31.47 | Roey | SteamedPenguin: but which do you like though |
| 14:31.51 | Roey | SteamedPenguin: I mean, prefer |
| 14:31.54 | Roey | SteamedPenguin: I like basmati |
| 14:32.01 | mobtek | Roey: it's called fantastic package management with portage :) |
| 14:32.03 | Roey | mobtek: oooh sounds so conservative :) |
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| 14:32.23 | Roey | mobtek: is it possibel to emerge a CVS HEAD KDE? |
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| 14:32.30 | Roey | HAHAHAH |
| 14:32.32 | mobtek | omg the neons are burning my eyes!? |
| 14:32.37 | SteamedPenguin | Roey: I am no rice-expert. I get the stuff in 50 pounds bags. if it has more korean/chinese/thai than english on the bag, then it is good. |
| 14:32.39 | mobtek | jejeje |
| 14:32.40 | dwango | CFLAGS="-O2 -march=pentium4 -pipe" <- my system is faster than mobtek's!!!11 |
| 14:32.46 | bushwakko | what excactly is reicer-y ? |
| 14:32.47 | Roey | mobtek: funroll-loops.org man, it's all about them funrools. |
| 14:32.50 | Roey | *funrolls |
| 14:32.52 | mobtek | muhahah dwango |
| 14:33.25 | mobtek | roey is in #gentoo |
| 14:33.32 | mobtek | getting a screenshot@ |
| 14:34.21 | annma | hmm, good luck asking something there |
| 14:34.51 | annma | Roey: well, if you want HEAD just do it like real men |
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| 14:35.24 | Roey | annma: that's currently what I do now |
| 14:35.34 | Roey | annma: :) it used to be friendly at least |
| 14:35.43 | annma | Roey: that's way better then an emerge |
| 14:35.56 | annma | because you have control |
| 14:35.58 | Roey | "...The single biggest performance boost I have yet to see-now I can have gnome2.2 running using gnome-terminal to compile the latest j2sdk from source (nice -n 19)while browsing with mozilla while running e17 in a seperate login with two eterms and run Unreal Tournament at full speed (this with an apache webserver running for my dyndns pseudo-domain and a mysql for my answering-machine software for my isdn card-which keeps track of all incomming |
| 14:35.58 | Roey | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.06 | mobtek | http://www.mobtek.net/images/currentdesktop/roeyon%23gentooOMGROFLBBQ!.jpg <-- gagaghafhfaa |
| 14:37.08 | mobtek | :P |
| 14:39.45 | mobtek | CFLAGS="-g0 -DTT_CONFIG_OPTION_BYTECODE_INTERPRETER -pipe -O3 -march=pentium4 -fweb -funswitch-loops -funroll-all-loops -funit-at-a-time -fsched2-use-traces -fsched2-use-superblocks -fsched-stalled-insns=12 -frename-registers -fprefetch-loop-arrays -fpeel-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -fmerge-all-constants -finline-limit=32768 -finline-functions -ffunction-sections -ffast-math -fdata-sections -fbranch-target-load-optimize2" |
| 14:39.46 | mobtek | muhahahahah |
| 14:40.04 | illogic-al | hahah |
| 14:40.08 | illogic-al | + |
| 14:40.27 | Roey | mobtek: is this your flags string??? |
| 14:40.32 | mobtek | muhahah no |
| 14:40.36 | mobtek | funroll-loops.org |
| 14:40.37 | mobtek | :P |
| 14:40.42 | Roey | I wonder if it is any good?? |
| 14:41.08 | mobtek | it's from a bug report |
| 14:41.16 | mobtek | the dude had ld errors :P |
| 14:41.22 | Roey | HA, HA HA. |
| 14:41.22 | mobtek | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74072 |
| 14:41.29 | mobtek | that is gold |
| 14:41.58 | Roey | how did you find it? |
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| 14:42.55 | bushwakko | apparently the final tarballs are here: |
| 14:43.03 | illogic-al | lmao |
| 14:43.19 | bushwakko | http://ftp.pl.debian.org/PLD/software/kde/ |
| 14:43.34 | bushwakko | made from the marked cvs point |
| 14:43.45 | bushwakko | tagged even |
| 14:45.09 | mobtek | annma: I'm just trying to figure out why I still have kde 3.3.2 stuff showing up in the emerge -uDvp world when I have emerged -C all of kde 3.3.2 already |
| 14:45.18 | mobtek | I'll have to mask those perhaps |
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| 14:46.49 | redeeman | hello |
| 14:47.04 | annma | mobtek: lol, ah ah ah |
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| 14:51.13 | redeeman | if i were to get kde 3.4.0 now, should i fetch the tag 3.4.0 release from cvs, or the branch 3.4? i guess there have been made changes since the rc1 release |
| 14:51.40 | PhilRod | wait a day or two and use the packages from your distro |
| 14:51.52 | PhilRod | unless you're doing development |
| 14:51.56 | redeeman | well the kde ebuilds are already made |
| 14:52.16 | mobtek | yay masked :) |
| 14:52.19 | redeeman | so if no changes are to be made to the tag/branch before release, i might aswell just fetch myself and tar up |
| 14:52.25 | redeeman | i can unmask :) |
| 14:52.36 | PhilRod | PLEASE PLEASE create a #gentoo-kde channel |
| 14:52.41 | mobtek | redeeman: oh no I was talking to me :P |
| 14:52.48 | snugglemonkey_ | anyone find the solution to kdelibs not compiling compiling today? |
| 14:52.57 | redeeman | lol PhilRod |
| 14:53.04 | PhilRod | or #kde-gentoo, whatever - but there's obviously a need for one |
| 14:53.06 | mobtek | PhilRod: there is one :) |
| 14:53.13 | redeeman | this is not a gentoo question |
| 14:53.19 | redeeman | this is a kde question |
| 14:53.36 | PhilRod | redeeman: ok, but the answer is still "wait for 3.4 to be *released*" |
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| 14:54.01 | redeeman | is there going to be made changes to the branch/tag before release? |
| 14:54.24 | PhilRod | not to the tag |
| 14:54.45 | mobtek | annma: keke no packages to find anywhere yet :P |
| 14:54.49 | redeeman | and the official 3.4.0 tarballs will be from the 3.4.0-RELEASE tag? |
| 14:54.55 | PhilRod | yes |
| 14:55.13 | PhilRod | BRANCH will become 3.4.1, 3.4.2 et |
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| 14:55.13 | PhilRod | etc* |
| 14:55.21 | redeeman | well okay.. then i will just fetch those and tar them up :D |
| 14:55.22 | lippel | if you want to compile manually anyway, I'd go for the 3.4 branch |
| 14:55.39 | PhilRod | but seriously, wait, like, a day, and it'll all work without messing around |
| 14:55.43 | redeeman | i am going to compile them.. or well.. ill use the ebuilds |
| 14:55.55 | redeeman | PhilRod: i have no problems fetching abit from cvs |
| 14:56.40 | redeeman | though, i most surely will be pleased when they move to subversion |
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| 14:57.27 | mobtek | hehe I love how excited everyone gets over new releases :) |
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| 14:57.49 | PhilRod | it'd be even better if everyone waited until the *release* before getting excited... |
| 14:58.28 | redeeman | well.. you said urself nothing is gonna change |
| 14:58.36 | lippel | PhilRod: well, it's their spare time ;-) |
| 14:59.30 | PhilRod | lippel: yeah, I guess |
| 14:59.34 | mobtek | PhilRod: the fact that they are excited immediately prior to the release is funnier :) |
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| 15:00.07 | lippel | people should get excited when betas are released |
| 15:00.25 | illogic-al | i get excited when alphas are released. |
| 15:00.25 | mobtek | lippel: I was :) |
| 15:00.37 | annma | illogic-al: aren't you always excited? |
| 15:00.39 | mobtek | hehe illogic-al |
| 15:00.40 | illogic-al | then i know i'll be able to make some poor developer cry with my bug reports |
| 15:00.46 | annma | lol |
| 15:00.55 | mobtek | ok sleep time |
| 15:01.06 | mobtek | it's like christmas eve :P |
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| 15:01.14 | illogic-al | reports bugs. inflict pain. feel good about yourself. |
| 15:01.36 | illogic-al | lo mobtek |
| 15:02.05 | dwango | will there be another 3.x before kde4? |
| 15:02.09 | bushwakko | http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1453 |
| 15:03.13 | Roey | dwango: 3.5 I believe |
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| 15:04.50 | illogic-al | grarr. (more) death to artsd. |
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| 15:05.09 | illogic-al | nothing messes with amarok and lives |
| 15:06.45 | dwango | a little protective are we =) |
| 15:07.03 | illogic-al | just a tad :-) |
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| 15:08.51 | mBob | hi - for some reason ive just lost the entries in the kmenu and all the entries in kcontrol. fortunately i have a backup. which files do i need to recover? |
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| 15:09.45 | mBob | illogic-al - ive just started using amarok recently, i think its great except the tabs |
| 15:10.31 | illogic-al | mBob: sadly we seem to be in the minority :-( |
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| 15:11.02 | annma | I am also a minority by using arts in amarok |
| 15:11.17 | dwango | Why arts? |
| 15:11.32 | annma | because it's kde's daemon |
| 15:11.37 | annma | what else? |
| 15:11.40 | illogic-al | annma: likes doing things the hard way :-p |
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| 15:12.03 | mBob | annma - arts is going in kde4 apparently anyway |
| 15:12.04 | annma | gstreamer is shit, I installed it and it's picked by amarok but misses something so it cannot be played |
| 15:12.16 | annma | mBob: well we are in kde 3, no? |
| 15:12.23 | annma | noone knows what kde4 will be |
| 15:12.31 | qwertz | Hi! I'd like to set the position on that kdialog appears on the screen but "kdialog --passivepopup text 2 -geometry 200x400+100+200" doesn't respect the geometry option - any suggestions? |
| 15:12.45 | annma | mBob: I code my sound played with arts in kde |
| 15:12.46 | mBob | annma - arts is also a PITA to use with anything else (mythtv for example) |
| 15:12.54 | annma | mBob: are you a kde developer? |
| 15:12.57 | mBob | no |
| 15:13.10 | annma | do you know how to play sounds in a kde app without arts? |
| 15:13.15 | mBob | yes |
| 15:13.24 | annma | how? |
| 15:13.26 | annma | point me to a class |
| 15:13.37 | annma | I use KAudioPlayer at the moment |
| 15:13.41 | annma | based on arts |
| 15:13.45 | mBob | in amarok > settings > configure amarok > engine > sound system |
| 15:13.56 | dwango | hah |
| 15:13.59 | mBob | and in kcontrol, turn off the sound system |
| 15:14.20 | annma | mBob: wrong |
| 15:14.23 | mBob | and in kde system notifications click advanced (i think) and change it to use an external player |
| 15:14.27 | annma | it does not work for all apps |
| 15:14.52 | mBob | what kde apps are there other than knotify and amarok/juk/noatun that need sound? |
| 15:14.53 | annma | I code my app with KAudioPlayer which is a kde class to play sound and which uses arts |
| 15:15.04 | annma | mBob: lots |
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| 15:15.09 | illogic-al | well then use knotify instead :-p |
| 15:15.14 | annma | me? |
| 15:15.21 | mBob | yes |
| 15:15.28 | annma | illogic-al: example of code? |
| 15:15.48 | illogic-al | in the docs |
| 15:15.55 | annma | KAudioPlayer::play(soundFile); |
| 15:16.02 | annma | see how easy it is |
| 15:16.09 | annma | and it works well |
| 15:16.22 | annma | so that eans KDE relies on aRts |
| 15:16.26 | annma | means |
| 15:16.47 | illogic-al | annma: if you seriously want an example i could try to do it with knotify for whatever app your talking about. |
| 15:16.48 | mBob | annma - i dont have arts installed and i have a perfectly fine kde install |
| 15:16.53 | annma | and aRts works very well while GStreamer or xine don't |
| 15:17.02 | mBob | the xine engine works fine for me |
| 15:17.13 | annma | illogic-al: my pleasure! go in KLettres and see in SoundFactory class |
| 15:17.20 | annma | mBob: not for me |
| 15:17.24 | illogic-al | argh. kdeedu? |
| 15:17.29 | annma | illogic-al: yes |
| 15:17.32 | illogic-al | that thing is HUUUGE |
| 15:17.32 | annma | also some games |
| 15:17.36 | illogic-al | to check out... |
| 15:17.44 | annma | just check out KLettres |
| 15:17.49 | annma | cvs co -l kdeedu |
| 15:17.57 | annma | cvs co kdeedu/admin |
| 15:18.06 | annma | cvs co kdeedu/klettres |
| 15:18.19 | annma | you're free to commit anything |
| 15:18.54 | annma | illogic-al: it's huge but I moved the sounds away, I got Hindi sounds for it that are about 20Mb |
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| 15:19.28 | annma | most people who talk about sounds just see kde notifications and amarok |
| 15:19.29 | illogic-al | annma: i'll try after I get kdevelop re-install. should be sometime tonight. |
| 15:19.40 | illogic-al | annma: are these sounds oggs? |
| 15:19.44 | annma | yes |
| 15:19.46 | illogic-al | all oggs i mean? |
| 15:19.46 | annma | all oggs |
| 15:19.50 | illogic-al | nice. |
| 15:19.59 | annma | hey, I had wavs at first |
| 15:20.05 | annma | imagine the Mb |
| 15:20.15 | illogic-al | yeah. |
| 15:20.16 | dwango | hmm |
| 15:20.27 | dwango | klettres doesn't play any sounds here. |
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| 15:21.03 | annma | dwango: dis you compile with aRts? |
| 15:21.11 | annma | dis/did |
| 15:21.44 | annma | dwango: ? |
| 15:21.54 | annma | is aRts running, dwango? |
| 15:22.10 | dwango | that's what i'm looking to find out right now. =) |
| 15:22.18 | annma | Gentoo? |
| 15:22.24 | annma | or what distro? |
| 15:22.38 | dwango | gentoo |
| 15:22.45 | dwango | amarok w/ aRts works |
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| 15:23.11 | annma | because in Gentoo it's said ti compile --without-arts |
| 15:23.13 | grivell | Amarok w/ Xine better :) |
| 15:23.18 | annma | grepper: not there |
| 15:23.19 | illogic-al | annma: where are the sounds? |
| 15:23.21 | dwango | Oh really |
| 15:23.25 | annma | grivell: not there |
| 15:23.31 | illogic-al | the klettres checkout is only 3.2 mb |
| 15:23.38 | annma | illogic-al: en and fr with KLettres |
| 15:23.39 | grivell | annma: Not where? |
| 15:23.47 | annma | the other is the correct i18n module |
| 15:24.00 | annma | grivell: amarok does not work with xine on my machine |
| 15:24.15 | annma | xine and gstreamer are not for normal users yet |
| 15:24.15 | grivell | Huh? How so. It supports ALSA and OSS. |
| 15:24.20 | illogic-al | woah. gotta jet to class. |
| 15:24.24 | illogic-al | ttyl annma |
| 15:25.08 | grivell | annma: Xine uses less cpu. I learned this on a Celeron 366 mhz :) My uncle's system. GStreamer "skipped" a lot. Arts "skipped". Xine just worked. |
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| 15:25.31 | grivell | But I just disable artsd anyway. |
| 15:25.39 | boldii | hi |
| 15:25.57 | annma | grivell: then some kde apps won't work, that's all |
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| 15:26.10 | annma | grivell: it's just what I explained |
| 15:26.23 | annma | but anyway |
| 15:27.05 | dwango | The only problem I have with amaroK and xine is that pausing often causes a crash. |
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| 15:27.12 | LordGrunt | hi |
| 15:27.12 | grivell | annma: Amarok for music, Kaffeine for video. Then use alsaplayer, or xine, etc whatever for KDE event sounds. |
| 15:27.13 | grivell | You can't tell me you would actually want to use Kaboodle, can you? :) |
| 15:27.26 | annma | grivell: yes, I see |
| 15:27.40 | annma | I am speaking about other kde apps but you probably don't use them |
| 15:27.58 | LordGrunt | im running kde 3.4, and my kmail refuses to start. i have kontact as well, and kmail opens fine inside |
| 15:28.00 | annma | GENERALLY speaking (not for your own usage) aRts is needed |
| 15:28.10 | annma | that's my point, grivell |
| 15:28.27 | grivell | Ah, sorry scrolled back to read. |
| 15:28.32 | annma | but YOU with your kde usage probably don't need it |
| 15:28.43 | annma | other KDE applications MUST have it |
| 15:28.49 | annma | MUST |
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| 15:29.33 | LordGrunt | does anyone know why kmail wont start? |
| 15:29.38 | grivell | I hope KDE 4 solves that problem for you's though. artsd is a memory waster/cpu waster. |
| 15:29.45 | annma | nope |
| 15:29.56 | annma | that's all false assumptions |
| 15:30.11 | annma | until recently I had a low tech laptop and aRts was fine |
| 15:30.14 | dwango | does artsd do software mixing of its streams? |
| 15:30.24 | grivell | dwango: yep |
| 15:30.29 | dwango | ah ok |
| 15:30.30 | annma | and I compile KDE |
| 15:30.47 | lippel | LordGrunt: what's the konsole output |
| 15:31.10 | grivell | artsd does take memory. And does take cpu processing power. Whether it is big enough to make a difference on most systems today is not the point. |
| 15:31.23 | grivell | It is a waste that ALSA+Dmix help out with. |
| 15:31.40 | annma | well my CPU was a 1100 celeron |
| 15:31.46 | lippel | LordGrunt: ...when trying to start kmail outside of kontact |
| 15:31.51 | grivell | annma: And my uncle's was a 366 Celeron :) |
| 15:31.55 | annma | and aRts did not take much |
| 15:31.59 | grivell | s/was/is |
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| 15:32.05 | annma | your uncle does not compile KDE everyday |
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| 15:32.10 | annma | I do |
| 15:32.16 | grivell | annma: Nah, Debian. |
| 15:32.22 | annma | so see |
| 15:32.25 | LordGrunt | lippel: segfault ;) |
| 15:32.43 | annma | I compile kde while listening to music through aRts |
| 15:32.49 | lippel | LordGrunt: so you get the crash dialog? |
| 15:32.57 | *** topic/#kde by LordGrunt -> KDE 3.4 RC 1 is out - http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-announce&m=110943281419778&w=2 | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/ - the answer to your question might already be here! | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/pasnopete | |
| 15:33.17 | LordGrunt | nope |
| 15:33.20 | grivell | annma: Yes but 1 ghz is enough for most people. I am on a 1 GHz iBook right now. It is enough to do whatever I want. |
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| 15:33.44 | lippel | LordGrunt: so you get "segmentation fault" on the console and nothing else? |
| 15:33.54 | annma | grivell: well was not enough to play DVDs while compiling |
| 15:34.06 | LordGrunt | lippel: exactly |
| 15:34.20 | lippel | LordGrunt: weird, considering that it works in kontact... |
| 15:34.42 | lippel | LordGrunt: which distri, packages? |
| 15:34.46 | grivell | annma: :-) Never tried it. I rarely compile anymore. Use to use CVS's a lot. But Debian unstable keeps up good enough and the apps I use have nothing that I can't wait for anymore. |
| 15:35.07 | LordGrunt | lippel: ubuntu hoary, kde 3.4 |
| 15:35.12 | annma | grivell: so on my machine aRts was not a strain |
| 15:35.23 | annma | has never be |
| 15:35.37 | lippel | LordGrunt: maybe the packages are broken... you should wait for the official ones i guess |
| 15:35.45 | grivell | annma: Got you. Still, it would be better to not have a dependency on it. |
| 15:36.00 | annma | so dependency on what? |
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| 15:36.08 | grivell | annma: On artsd |
| 15:36.09 | annma | GStreamer? </laugh> |
| 15:36.18 | annma | if not artsd |
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| 15:36.26 | annma | what else? and don't answer ALSA |
| 15:36.33 | rich_B | Hello all :-) |
| 15:36.36 | grivell | annma: No. Have KDE's system be able to use Gstreamer, artsd, oss, alsa, etc. |
| 15:36.39 | annma | or I'll know you know nothing about sound |
| 15:36.50 | annma | you did it |
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| 15:37.03 | DexterF | hi |
| 15:37.23 | annma | problem is that people should not talk about what they don;tunderstand |
| 15:37.29 | grivell | annma: artsd does not decode mp3's ;) |
| 15:37.41 | DexterF | kwallet: for months i kept it open, it just ran fine, logged me into sites and such. now all of a sudden it won't anymore, and opening it i find it to be empty. wtf? |
| 15:37.57 | grivell | annma: If you are talking about decoding, I don't care what is used. But artsd itself just mixes. |
| 15:38.10 | grivell | Which is what ALSA can do. |
| 15:38.16 | LordGrunt | lippel: might the kontact be a problem here? |
| 15:38.17 | lippel | LordGrunt: or did you compile manually? |
| 15:38.34 | annma | grivell: wrong |
| 15:38.41 | LordGrunt | lippel: no, from packages |
| 15:38.43 | lippel | LordGrunt: actually not, when kontact is running, starting kmail should bring kontact to foreground |
| 15:38.55 | lippel | LordGrunt: at least it should never segfault |
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| 15:39.48 | grivell | annma: The arts library can decode. I care not about that. That is not a daemon. |
| 15:39.52 | dwango | try `strace kmail` ? |
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| 15:40.37 | lippel | LordGrunt: however, that seems to be a packaging problem, so a debian/ubuntu channel might be more useful |
| 15:40.40 | amichai | can someone tell me how i can get my kmenu to be transparent plz |
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| 15:42.25 | amichai | anyone? i can't find an answer anywhere |
| 15:42.40 | LordGrunt | lippel: looks like known problem |
| 15:43.50 | lippel | LordGrunt: you asked in a ubuntu channel? |
| 15:44.45 | LordGrunt | yes |
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| 15:45.39 | boldii | anybody has an idea how to change "The new DBUS/HAL-media-kioslave combination allows the user to insert external pluggable storage media to be mounted and displayed on the desktop instanly and unmounted/removed from the desktop as soon as the media are removed." in the announcement? |
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| 15:47.04 | lippel | LordGrunt: is only kmail or also other kontact apps like kaddressbook, korganizer or akregator? |
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| 15:47.58 | LordGrunt | lippel: <Riddell> LordGrunt: it's because KDE PIM 3.4 isn't in hoary yet, and KDE 3.3 kmail doesn't like KDE 3.4 libs for some reason |
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| 15:49.06 | lippel | LordGrunt: ah, i see. version conflicts... |
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| 15:50.23 | annma | LordGrunt: KDE version must be the same for all packages |
| 15:50.40 | annma | kde 3.4 libs are for other kde 3.4 modules |
| 15:51.21 | LordGrunt | now i know :) |
| 15:51.48 | LordGrunt | but they are expecting fix anytime, lets have a hope :) |
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| 15:54.34 | lippel | well, you can use kdepim 3.4 with kdelibs 3.3, but not the other way around |
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| 16:02.22 | borndbad | what ever happend to kspell2 |
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| 16:02.50 | DexterF | i heard 3.4 is to be released tomorrow - will happen? |
| 16:04.07 | lippel_ | DexterF: probably |
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| 16:04.35 | lippel_ | some people in kde-devel are discussing the announcement right now... |
| 16:05.03 | Blissex | according to allegations in KUbuntu http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE is it already available for Ubuntu |
| 16:05.19 | boldii | DexterF, it will be, for quite sure. |
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| 16:06.08 | PhilRod | ok, this has come up before, so it's like this: KDE tagged 3.4 a fortnight or so ago. Tarballs were then sent to packagers to make packages/customizations, etc |
| 16:06.10 | annma | Blissex: the tarballs are ready for a while now |
| 16:06.25 | annma | Blissex: distros should have time to make their packages |
| 16:06.38 | Blissex | annma: and KUbuntu seem to have been pretty quick :_) |
| 16:06.40 | annma | but official release from KDE is tomorrow |
| 16:06.46 | PhilRod | the packagers (and *not* the KDE project) make packages, so they might be ready before the official release date |
| 16:07.04 | annma | releasing before kde announce is silly, Blissex |
| 16:07.19 | annma | because people don't know what the release is about |
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| 16:08.12 | PhilRod | annma: I might set up an "unofficial 3.4 release notes" page on the wiki, that we can use to put up FAQs about 3.4 tomorrow |
| 16:08.16 | PhilRod | what do you think? |
| 16:08.22 | Blissex | annma: well, KUbuntu has not exactly publicized that a lot :-). Also consider that KUbuntu is sort of an unofficial project, to bring decency and self respect to a distribution that made the wrong DE choice :-) |
| 16:08.30 | PhilRod | questions like "does distroX have packages?" |
| 16:08.40 | PhilRod | how do I install on distroY, etc |
| 16:08.40 | annma | PhilRod: seems a good idea, yes! |
| 16:09.15 | PhilRod | ok, I'll go off and do it now :-) |
| 16:10.13 | lilalinux | I have an authentication problem in konqueror |
| 16:10.44 | lilalinux | quitting konqueror doesn't log me off from a .htaccess protected site |
| 16:11.03 | apokryphos | Blissex: it hasn't been publicized that much because it's still really in the making. 3.4 is available in the repositories with several of the major kde stuff (kdepim/kdenetwork etc.), but kubuntu customizations are still in-the-making; kubuntu-logo/site etc. still needs to be done. |
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| 16:11.15 | Crissi | hi |
| 16:11.18 | lilalinux | A new instance of konqueror should ask for the user/pass again |
| 16:11.18 | Crissi | how i can get the addresses from opengroupware into the kde addressbook? |
| 16:11.39 | lilalinux | Crissi: google kitchensync opengroupware |
| 16:11.51 | Crissi | ah |
| 16:12.03 | boldii | apokryphos, they want to release a preview release right after the 3.4 release. |
| 16:12.09 | apokryphos | Blissex: not so sure what is meant by an "official" product, but kubuntu is part of Ubuntu; more so as it goes on. |
| 16:12.33 | apokryphos | boldii: preview kubuntu release, do you mean? They're already out. |
| 16:12.58 | boldii | apokryphos, I know that, but one with kde 3.4. |
| 16:13.03 | Blissex | apokryphos: well, Ubuntu made the strategic decision to be a GNOME based distro... |
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| 16:13.56 | PhilRod | annma: heh, the wiki layout has changed and I can't find the 'new page' link :-} |
| 16:14.24 | annma | oh lol |
| 16:14.33 | annma | it's supposed to be better organized |
| 16:14.45 | PhilRod | lilalinux: the kio_http slave is hanging around - there was some discussion about this on one of the lists, with mention of mounting CDs |
| 16:14.57 | PhilRod | I can't remember what list, otherwise I'd link you to it |
| 16:14.58 | apokryphos | boldii: erm, the current kubuntu ISOs *do* have 3.4 |
| 16:15.09 | apokryphos | if a little incomplete in some parts; there are "daily releases" |
| 16:15.23 | Crissi | hmm.. i start kitchensync but i cant select opengroupware in settings |
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| 16:15.34 | Crissi | there is no ressource |
| 16:15.40 | apokryphos | Blissex: they did, but as kubuntu grows kde is getting more love there. |
| 16:15.48 | Doktoreas | hope we'll get 3.4 on portage early |
| 16:15.57 | Blissex | apokryphos: we hope so, we hope so... |
| 16:16.03 | apokryphos | :) |
| 16:16.22 | boldii | apokryphos, sorry, didn't know that, according to a mail in kde-promo they want to release their "first preview release" on march 16th or 17th ... |
| 16:17.02 | PaT- | hello everybody! a little question needing an expert here :) : where, in the source, will i find the code that mounts a device automatically when i click on it, when its not already mounted (for example, if i click an hard drive in the sidebar, it gets automatically mounted)... |
| 16:17.22 | apokryphos | boldii: probably referring to a more "official" kubuntu version, though it seems a little quick to me. Ubuntu meeting is taking place today, so some things might be resolved. Still some work for them to do, but they're moving pretty fast; diligent/dedicated devs. |
| 16:17.47 | cdc | apokryphos, will ubuntu ship KDE at all? |
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| 16:18.27 | apokryphos | cdc: for ubuntu with kde there is kubuntu. At the moment, kubuntu is basically just ubuntu with kde -- different default setup etc. |
| 16:18.48 | cIclops | how do you read pdf files? kpdf is so slow, it's useless on my 1GHz system |
| 16:19.02 | rich_B | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.06 | boldii | try xpdf, or kghostview. |
| 16:19.07 | apokryphos | cdc: they're not so much "different distros" at all; kde is easily installable from ubuntu. |
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| 16:20.55 | apokryphos | heh, and LinuxQuestions has just anounced a new distro joining -- ubuntu. |
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| 16:23.05 | PhilRod | PaT-: try #kde-devel - someone there might know |
| 16:23.09 | PhilRod | annma: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Unofficial+KDE+3.4+Release+Notes |
| 16:23.20 | PhilRod | in fact, everyone might like to use that page ^^^ |
| 16:24.44 | PaT- | PhilRod, ahh! a kde-devel channel exists! thanks a lot! |
| 16:26.23 | cIclops | boldii: thx, xpdf is much faster |
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| 16:48.24 | annma | PhilRod: I bookmarked the page |
| 16:49.04 | PhilRod | cool- once we have some content, it could be a good one for the channel topic |
| 16:49.13 | annma | :) yes |
| 16:49.29 | annma | I'll write that not having arts is wrong |
| 16:49.38 | annma | :) |
| 16:49.39 | SteamedPenguin | yeah |
| 16:49.45 | SteamedPenguin | please do |
| 16:49.49 | annma | that's my battle of the day |
| 16:50.10 | SteamedPenguin | I spent 40 minutes with some gentoo ricer two days ago |
| 16:50.19 | SteamedPenguin | he was complaining of not having sound |
| 16:50.28 | annma | ;) |
| 16:51.04 | SteamedPenguin | annma: seriously though. |
| 16:51.07 | SteamedPenguin | it was aggravating. |
| 16:51.15 | annma | yeah |
| 16:52.08 | grivell | My Gentoo system is the fastest around when it is not running GCC at 99%. |
| 16:52.26 | SteamedPenguin | grivell: mind you I use gentoo all the time |
| 16:53.20 | PhilRod | grivell: you meq |
| 16:53.29 | PhilRod | grivell: you mean when it's switched off :-) |
| 16:53.29 | grivell | I used Gentoo on a Dell i5150 when XFree on Debian didn't support 3D accel with Radeon 9000. It was an experience in wasting time. |
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| 16:54.35 | boldii | I used gentoo a while ago and I used it for more than a year, but now I am on debian testing, and I am lucky with it. |
| 16:55.22 | grivell | I stay with Debian unstable. I do plan on making the server stable when it is released. At this point I am not patient enough to use testing ;) |
| 16:56.09 | SteamedPenguin | boldii: despite the name, you really are better off either using debian stable, or debian unstable. |
| 16:56.26 | SteamedPenguin | testing tends to be less 'stable' than unstable in my experience. |
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| 16:59.44 | boldii | SteamedPenguin, I used debian unstable for exactly two days, then I wasn't able to use apt anymore because of some depency error that couldn't be fixed. |
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| 17:00.16 | soebbi | maybe a package isn't yet uploaded |
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| 17:00.38 | boldii | well, I am now with testing and that is fine for me ;) |
| 17:02.08 | soebbi | Unstable always worked for me...if a program fails, the problem is normally fixed in experimental, from which i install it then |
| 17:03.54 | Trevelyan | i have both testing and unstable in my sources, but with testing set to default. |
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| 17:04.53 | soebbi | couldn't life with testing...with not having the latest software :) |
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| 17:07.41 | PieD | hi |
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| 17:08.21 | KonvIRC | hi there |
| 17:08.25 | Trevelyan | well if i want the unstable version can apt-get -t unstable install ... |
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| 17:10.06 | soebbi | that's what i do occasionally with experimental packages |
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| 17:20.50 | ciga | I'm playing with inst-app, but make -f Makefile.cvs stop with an error. |
| 17:21.00 | ciga | how do I know what dir is missing? |
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| 17:22.14 | PhilRod | what's the error? |
| 17:22.37 | ciga | make[1]: *** [cvs] Error 1 |
| 17:22.38 | ciga | :) |
| 17:23.02 | ciga | but I give you the line before: |
| 17:23.04 | ciga | korganizer/plugins/Makefile.am:1: include_exchange_SUBDIR does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL |
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| 17:24.09 | ciga | maybe libkpimexchange ? |
| 17:25.09 | ciga | wow |
| 17:25.29 | ciga | seems to be a nice guess :) |
| 17:25.45 | annma | inst-app, what is that? |
| 17:26.17 | ciga | well, I don't want to compile the whole kdepim, but only some apps. |
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| 17:26.34 | ciga | so I put it into inst-app, run make -f Makefile.cvs; and then configure. |
| 17:30.07 | annma | what do you put in there? |
| 17:30.13 | annma | exactly? |
| 17:30.26 | ciga | directory names. |
| 17:30.44 | ciga | annma: http://www.kexi-project.org/compiling.html |
| 17:30.54 | ciga | annma: search for inst-apps |
| 17:31.07 | annma | korganizer is not kexi |
| 17:31.13 | ciga | :) |
| 17:31.27 | ciga | it's okay, but the method is described there a little. |
| 17:31.46 | annma | well obviously it's not ok |
| 17:32.01 | annma | what dirs do you have in your inst-app? |
| 17:32.04 | ciga | unfortunately, I just can't find the homepage where inst-apps is described. |
| 17:32.25 | annma | usually compiling 1 app only in a package is easy |
| 17:32.42 | annma | usually means when that app does not depend on a lib in the package |
| 17:33.02 | annma | korganizer depends on at least one lib in kdepim |
| 17:33.16 | annma | libkdepim |
| 17:34.16 | annma | ciga: so what exatly do you have in your dir? |
| 17:34.21 | ciga | well, I have a fresh start: libkpimexchange kmail korganizer akregator |
| 17:34.32 | annma | you want kmail? |
| 17:34.37 | ciga | but I just started kdepim. |
| 17:34.43 | annma | started what? |
| 17:34.51 | ciga | annma: I want kmail, korganizer, akregator. |
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| 17:35.07 | annma | what's left out then? |
| 17:35.24 | ciga | annma: I have a working inst-apps file for kdelibs if you are interested. |
| 17:35.37 | annma | what do you NOT want in kdepim? |
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| 17:37.05 | trans_err | can konqueror be configured to set video icons to a clip of film? like nautilus does? |
| 17:37.23 | ciga | annma: I want only kmail, korganizer and akregator. So what I don't want are: others. |
| 17:37.47 | annma | why if I may ask? |
| 17:38.06 | annma | can't you build it all and make uninstall in those you don't want? |
| 17:38.07 | ciga | compilation time, disk space |
| 17:38.20 | annma | hmmm, seems little to save |
| 17:38.35 | annma | compared to the mess you'll have |
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| 17:38.58 | annma | lauri: ping |
| 17:39.06 | ciga | annma: you don't need to do this! Just let me do it. thanks. |
| 17:39.23 | annma | lippel: ;) yeah |
| 17:39.32 | annma | ciga: you asked for help here |
| 17:39.52 | ciga | annma: yes, you said help. |
| 17:40.00 | lippel | there are several libs having dependencies everywhere... to build akregator, you need to build half of kdepim before |
| 17:40.14 | ciga | lippel: and kmail is still without imap filtering. :/ |
| 17:40.23 | annma | yes that's why I asked you what dirs you currently have, ciga |
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| 17:40.57 | ciga | libkdenetwork libkpimexchange kmail korganizer akregator |
| 17:41.04 | lippel | what again is the env var to set to exclude dirs from compilation? |
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| 17:43.06 | ciga | lippel: is there any? if there is maybe you can find in admin/cvs.sh |
| 17:44.01 | lippel | dependencies are listed in Makefile.am.in... |
| 17:44.31 | ciga | hm, good to know |
| 17:44.45 | ciga | it is a big step for me :) |
| 17:44.57 | ciga | COMPILE_BEFORE_kmail= libkdepim libkpimidentities certmanager libkpgp libkmime |
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| 17:45.13 | annma | yes |
| 17:45.28 | annma | I was about to say you need libkpgp and libkmime |
| 17:45.54 | annma | lol |
| 17:45.59 | lippel | to get an overview |
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| 17:47.34 | lippel | ah, export DO_NOT_COMPILE="blub blub2" |
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| 17:51.08 | Tpo1 | I can't find XGrab... what is the screenshot command for KDE por favor? |
| 17:51.19 | lippel | ksnapshot |
| 17:51.27 | PaT- | how can i add a qpushbutton "off-screen", then get the "pixmap" of this and paint it somewhere??? |
| 17:51.29 | Tpo1 | I'm showin' off to friends... thanks |
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| 17:51.52 | PaT- | is it possible? |
| 17:51.56 | Roey | btw.. is it possible to donate to a specific kde projec |
| 17:51.56 | Roey | t |
| 17:51.58 | lippel | Tpo1: :) |
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| 17:53.36 | lippel | ;) |
| 17:54.32 | lippel | Roey: i think that should be possible |
| 17:54.57 | Roey | hehehe |
| 17:55.17 | Roey | I wanna donate to things I am using -- req#1 would be PDF forms |
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| 17:57.08 | lippel | Roey: read the discussion on #kde-devel? |
| 17:57.16 | SteamedPenguin | I would donate to removing that DRM shite from kpdf |
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| 17:58.05 | PhilRod | SteamedPenguin: it's a configure option, or maybe even disabled by default, I can't remember |
| 17:58.49 | Roey | lippel: I will look for it |
| 17:58.53 | SteamedPenguin | I think it is enabled by default, not that it bothers me too much since nodrm is a gentoo flag. :) |
| 17:58.54 | Roey | SteamedPenguin: is there drm in kpdf? |
| 17:58.54 | Roey | arg. |
| 17:59.06 | Roey | SteamedPenguin: you've moved to gentoo? |
| 17:59.11 | SteamedPenguin | Roey: yes. |
| 17:59.25 | Roey | SteamedPenguin: what were your prime reasons? |
| 17:59.38 | SteamedPenguin | productivity |
| 17:59.44 | Roey | ok |
| 17:59.54 | SteamedPenguin | and custumization |
| 18:00.10 | Roey | I am looking to move to gentoo |
| 18:00.14 | Roey | I've had enough with debian |
| 18:03.45 | Blissex | Roey: ... and with an easy life :-) |
| 18:03.46 | ciga | arg |
| 18:03.48 | ciga | Out of Memory: Killed process 30426 (cc1plus). |
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| 18:04.00 | Roey | Blissex: no really, this thing is nuts |
| 18:04.10 | ciga | annma: thanks |
| 18:04.23 | Roey | Blissex: the package system doesn't have issues with dependencies so much (as before), |
| 18:04.38 | Roey | Blissex: but debian doesn't support amd64, it doesn't have xorg, etc. |
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| 18:04.43 | annma | ciga: hmm, what? are you sracastic? |
| 18:04.50 | Roey | Blissex: and they can't commit to their own release dates. |
| 18:05.38 | Blissex | Roey: because gentoo doesn't? I am not sure you completely understand Debian, the ''project'' works... |
| 18:06.04 | Blissex | Roey: I use Debian even if it is sometimes very frustrating, but wait until you have used Gentoo for a while :-) |
| 18:06.19 | Blissex | Roey: you might want to consider Debian derivatives like Ubuntu or Kanotix. |
| 18:06.36 | Blissex | Roey: for example, you can easily get a Kanotix-64 LiveCD and install it to HD. |
| 18:06.39 | ciga | annma: no, I'm not, just I had no chance to respond earlier. |
| 18:06.46 | annma | ah :) |
| 18:06.56 | annma | how much RAM do you have? |
| 18:07.02 | ciga | 1G |
| 18:07.23 | annma | and Out of memory? |
| 18:07.25 | Roey | Blissex: that's what I was going to do actually |
| 18:07.30 | annma | my! |
| 18:07.33 | Roey | Blissex: pffft, I'm not going to gentoo -just yet- |
| 18:07.34 | ciga | annma: yup :) |
| 18:07.48 | ciga | annma: I have some apps running. |
| 18:07.53 | Roey | Blissex: I'm friends with the Kanotix folks; I want to give /64 a try. |
| 18:07.53 | annma | hmmm |
| 18:08.08 | annma | ciga: I compile several kde modules while having apps running |
| 18:08.26 | annma | 512Mb RAM only |
| 18:09.05 | ciga | annma: I have 10 workspaces and two screens. the second is empty atm |
| 18:09.10 | dwango | is there a way to get konqueror to scale large images to fit the screen (similar to firefox)? |
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| 18:10.32 | paines | hi |
| 18:10.55 | Roey | dwango: I believe that is a wishlist item |
| 18:11.07 | Roey | dwango: ask SadEagle, he told me it was. |
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| 18:11.17 | dwango | okay |
| 18:11.23 | Roey | dwango: or rather, he said scaling embedded images in konqueror was a wishlist item |
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| 18:15.14 | Roey | Does this work for anyone with kde 3.3.2: http://www.microsoft.com/BusinessSolutions/content/demos/MSCRMdemos/full_demo.htm |
| 18:15.31 | spiral | hi |
| 18:16.34 | cIclops | Roey which browser? |
| 18:16.54 | Roey | Konqueror of course. |
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| 18:17.02 | Roey | it does not work with Konqueror; it works with Firefox though |
| 18:17.09 | Roey | it looks like a flash animation. |
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| 18:18.03 | cIclops | yes |
| 18:18.12 | PieD | Roey: I don't have the flash plugin in Konqueror currently |
| 18:18.21 | PieD | but it should work if you add the plugin ! |
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| 18:18.37 | FrostByte | its a flash 7.+ animation |
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| 18:18.58 | ciga | and in linux there is 6.0.something. |
| 18:19.04 | ciga | or not. |
| 18:19.12 | FrostByte | I thought it was 5.x |
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| 18:19.15 | FrostByte | but I could be wrong |
| 18:19.16 | PieD | ciga: isn't 7 available for linux ? |
| 18:19.18 | ciga | 7.0.25.0 |
| 18:19.19 | FrostByte | I have been before ;) |
| 18:19.26 | dwango | roey: its working for me |
| 18:19.26 | PieD | I'm sure the 6 is available |
| 18:19.40 | FrostByte | 6 is available, but out of the box, its 5.x something |
| 18:19.41 | FrostByte | I think |
| 18:19.43 | ciga | no, I was wrong, there is 7.0.25.0 for linux |
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| 18:20.19 | Roey | ciga: what's the package name? |
| 18:20.26 | Roey | ciga: swf_player or something like that? |
| 18:20.44 | PieD | Roey: probably no package |
| 18:20.50 | ciga | -rwxr-xr-x 1 ciga ciga 2096844 May 20 2004 libflashplayer.so |
| 18:20.52 | PieD | you'll have to download that from macromedia |
| 18:20.57 | Roey | :( ok |
| 18:20.59 | Roey | arg |
| 18:21.02 | PieD | but the last time I saw the licence... |
| 18:21.09 | PieD | it was illegal for me to install it ! |
| 18:21.11 | Roey | *license, aye |
| 18:21.14 | Roey | hahah |
| 18:21.27 | PieD | Roey: licence is in french :/ |
| 18:21.37 | PieD | license is english |
| 18:21.37 | Roey | PieD: ah |
| 18:21.41 | Roey | PieD: ok ok |
| 18:22.26 | PieD | I often do the mistake |
| 18:22.32 | Roey | heh |
| 18:22.32 | PieD | wouaw :) |
| 18:22.32 | Roey | PieD: well the brits spell it licence |
| 18:22.32 | Roey | but they spell a lot of things in English wrong |
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| 18:22.32 | Roey | and even worse, they're convinced they're right |
| 18:22.33 | Roey | %-) |
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| 18:22.39 | ciga | or maybe they spell it right :) |
| 18:22.43 | Roey | er |
| 18:22.50 | Roey | I considered it once |
| 18:22.50 | Roey | but |
| 18:22.50 | Roey | no, it's wrong. |
| 18:23.17 | Roey | storey, tyre, weird constructions like "what with all" instead of "considering" |
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| 18:23.58 | Roey | licence, tonne, programme, encyclopaedia.. |
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| 18:24.04 | Roey | the list goes on and on. |
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| 18:24.30 | esposito | hi people are u all right? |
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| 18:24.57 | Doktoreas | yup |
| 18:25.01 | Doktoreas | compiling 3.4 |
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| 18:25.14 | esposito | i'm just finished to compile kde 3.4 ...it's wonderfull! |
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| 18:25.30 | esposito | but I have 2 problems...may U help me? |
| 18:25.39 | Doktoreas | tell me |
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| 18:26.11 | esposito | first: when logout kdm crashes! :( |
| 18:26.33 | Roey | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5563490518 |
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| 18:27.02 | esposito | second: when login kdm don't run startkde ...a term open and i need to call /opt/kde/bin/startkde ... |
| 18:27.31 | Julianyus | hi |
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| 18:28.02 | esposito | the solution maybe simple (i think) but i cant solve :( |
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| 18:29.25 | ryanoe | Anyone here know much about mencoder in here? |
| 18:29.32 | esposito | if I solve this my slack will perfect |
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| 18:30.00 | ciga | ryanoe: if not you can still try on #mplayer |
| 18:30.07 | ryanoe | okay |
| 18:30.50 | HBB3 | hi |
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| 18:31.06 | HBB3 | i want to know if there is some way to know why an app crash.... i mean if i can see any report |
| 18:31.23 | esposito | and about my kdm problem..anybody can help? :) |
| 18:31.28 | astro76 | HBB3: what program is it? |
| 18:31.37 | HBB3 | i have suse 9.2 and open office crash every time |
| 18:31.52 | astro76 | HBB3: generally if it's a graphical app, you run it from a terminal to see if there are error messages |
| 18:31.58 | HBB3 | i have an athlon dual 2800 |
| 18:32.08 | HBB3 | ummm i see |
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| 18:32.43 | HBB3 | some times this machine crash and i have to reset |
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| 18:34.38 | HBB3 | hey guys im watching google suggest toolbar 0.2 for linux is that real? |
| 18:35.15 | ryanoe | ciga |
| 18:35.16 | ryanoe | okay |
| 18:35.17 | ryanoe | :) |
| 18:35.18 | ryanoe | Thanks |
| 18:35.29 | ciga | anytime :) |
| 18:36.01 | esposito | anybody have problems with kdm + kde 3.4 still me? |
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| 18:38.06 | esposito | :( |
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| 19:07.32 | ciga | anyone uses akregator? It seems to display the time wrong. |
| 19:08.01 | lippel | ciga: which feed? |
| 19:08.15 | lippel | (url) |
| 19:08.29 | lippel | or a general problem? |
| 19:09.54 | ciga | http://www.hup.hu/backend_ext.php |
| 19:10.45 | ciga | Wednesday 16 March 2005 01:48 |
| 19:11.10 | ciga | this is for the last news. |
| 19:12.19 | lippel | ciga: ah, timezone problems? |
| 19:12.53 | lippel | it's 2005-03-15T19:48:53-05:00 in the source |
| 19:13.17 | ciga | it should display 19:48:53 |
| 19:13.28 | ciga | or the feed is wrong? |
| 19:13.35 | lippel | your local KDE setting is GMT-5? |
| 19:14.06 | lippel | what's your timezone setting? |
| 19:14.26 | ciga | moment |
| 19:15.57 | ciga | Europe/Budapest |
| 19:16.12 | alexissoft | akregator is good for you |
| 19:16.28 | ciga | alexissoft: yes, it is good for me. |
| 19:16.48 | lippel | i hope so =) |
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| 19:18.25 | ciga | well, I don't have other feeds to test. |
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| 19:19.05 | ciga | for the first time, akregator sets the date & time for the time of fetching |
| 19:19.44 | lippel | ciga: akregator does that when a feed has no dates or it can't parse them for some reason |
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| 19:20.29 | ciga | KDE Dot News |
| 19:21.07 | ciga | yes, it could be possible, cos The Rumbling Edge feeds seem older then today. |
| 19:22.09 | ciga | (I've compiled akregator couple of hours ago) |
| 19:22.17 | xzz | KDE 3.4 tomorrow? |
| 19:23.28 | lippel | ciga: hungary is actually UTC+2, isn't it? |
| 19:24.00 | ciga | Tue Mar 15 19:24:12 UTC 2005 |
| 19:24.11 | ciga | and 20:24 is here. |
| 19:25.00 | ciga | lippel: actually same as in Berlin :) |
| 19:25.27 | lippel | yeah... i thought it was berlin+1 ;) |
| 19:25.48 | ciga | are you from there? |
| 19:27.13 | lippel | no, but from germany |
| 19:27.20 | xzz | Guten Tag! |
| 19:27.37 | lippel | hehe, tach auch ;-) |
| 19:28.04 | ciga | :) |
| 19:28.40 | xzz | Ich komme aus Norwegen ;) |
| 19:30.12 | xzz | What is the diff between UTC and GMT? |
| 19:30.44 | Noldo | daylight saving |
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| 19:35.57 | lippel | ciga: the feed is wrong, 19:00-05:00 is 19:00 on the US east coast |
| 19:36.02 | lippel | and that's in the future |
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| 19:36.50 | frerich | hi |
| 19:37.24 | dwango | http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/kidtalk.mspx <- hahah |
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| 19:40.09 | spiral | hi again |
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| 19:42.35 | lippel | dwango: nice. but pleate don't use "leetspeak" here just to confuse your parents ;) |
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| 19:42.59 | funky | hi |
| 19:43.07 | lippel | hi funky |
| 19:43.09 | funky | will be kde 3.4 released tomorrow ? |
| 19:43.15 | lippel | yes |
| 19:43.17 | funky | :D |
| 19:43.20 | pulse00 | hi there, i've seen some screenshots of kde where the drop-down menus are transparent. Is this theme-dependent or is there a way to configure it that way? |
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| 19:46.11 | Dhraakellian | I might have asked before, but is there any particular reason why kopete's contactlist statusbar icons are the same when offline as when online? |
| 19:47.29 | Trevor_ | It isn't for me |
| 19:48.02 | Dhraakellian | 3.4 RC1 |
| 19:48.11 | Dhraakellian | and beta2, iirc |
| 19:48.17 | Dhraakellian | not sure about beta1 |
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| 19:53.22 | MasterFu | has ever anyone tried to get kde running on mounted home-dirs (smbfs)? |
| 19:54.50 | Dhraakellian | anyone know how to get kcmshell icons to not show gnome icon sets? |
| 19:56.04 | MasterFu | does anyone know wich permission must be set for /home/username/.kde3.3? |
| 19:57.22 | xzz | 700 |
| 19:57.33 | Dhraakellian | dude |
| 19:57.50 | Dhraakellian | I think I just figured out the permission numbers |
| 19:58.24 | Dhraakellian | 3 3-bit numbers (that would be octal, right?) |
| 19:59.04 | Dhraakellian | 700 = 111000000 = rwx------ |
| 19:59.31 | MasterFu | hmm, these permissions are set |
| 20:00.10 | MasterFu | but when I try to start kde the lock files in /home/user/kde3.3/share/config can not be deleted |
| 20:00.47 | Dhraakellian | shouldn't those be deleted on exiting kde? |
| 20:01.13 | Dhraakellian | such would make sense to me |
| 20:01.20 | MasterFu | I don't know |
| 20:02.17 | MasterFu | I'll try to get a log till tomorrow |
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| 20:07.27 | xzz | Dhraakellian: 700 = rwx------, yes. But 1 = x; 2 = w; 4 = r; --> 1+2=3, 300 = r-x------ ; 1+4=5, 500 = r-x------ ; 2+4=6, 600 = rw------- |
| 20:07.34 | xzz | Dhraakellian: You get the point? |
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| 20:10.01 | Dhraakellian | it's a bitmask |
| 20:10.16 | Dhraakellian | with the binary converted to octal |
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| 20:12.00 | mnemoc | hi, i had a dtd error building kde-i18n-es (docs/kdewebdev/kxsldbg/kxsldbg_mainwindow.docbook:66), with 050308 and now with 050315. should i update another package to get this fixed? |
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| 20:14.14 | sredna | Re |
| 20:14.53 | PhilRod | hi sredna |
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| 20:15.14 | sredna | I had problems connecting to some servers at freenode.net |
| 20:15.29 | MasterFu | me too |
| 20:15.32 | PhilRod | mnemoc: could you put the file online somewhere - I'll take a look |
| 20:15.33 | alindeman | freenode.net/faq.shtml#loopback |
| 20:16.04 | sredna | alindeman: Is that for me? |
| 20:16.06 | mnemoc | PhilRod: mom |
| 20:16.11 | alindeman | Yes |
| 20:16.18 | sredna | Because I didn't change anything. |
| 20:16.27 | sredna | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#loopback |
| 20:16.34 | sredna | Clickable link :o |
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| 20:18.48 | mnemoc | PhilRod: http://www.geeks.cl/kxsldbg_mainwindow.docbook |
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| 20:19.19 | sredna | alindeman: Does that mean that I have to email someone? |
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| 20:19.25 | alindeman | ?? |
| 20:19.33 | illogic-al | Dhraakellian: impressive |
| 20:19.44 | alindeman | Why is my client trying to connect to 127.0.0.1 when I try to connect to your network? You've tried to connect to freenode during a massive clonebot attack. IRC suffers from the lack of a reputation-based system for filtering out malicious clients. Until we can evolve the protocol to remedy this lack, we must sometimes turn off new connects or shut down servers for (hopefully brief) periods of time. We apologize for the inconvenience and want |
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| 20:21.06 | Dhraakellian | illogic-al, out of politeness, I will not actually send you a 4 |
| 20:21.39 | illogic-al | um. yay? |
| 20:22.04 | illogic-al | wait, no. :cry: |
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| 20:26.12 | Dhraakellian | well, if you really like being flipped the bird |
| 20:31.35 | illogic-al | Dhraakellian: flipped birds are tasty :-) |
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| 20:31.49 | Dhraakellian | impolitely flipped ones? |
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| 20:34.57 | illogic-al | time 2 log off |
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| 20:39.45 | x0563511 | can anyone help me out with my fonts? |
| 20:40.46 | x0563511 | they all look particularly nasty no matter what i do, and im at my LCDs native resolution |
| 20:41.09 | PhilRod | probably an X issue |
| 20:41.18 | x0563511 | any idea how to resolve it? |
| 20:41.29 | Dhraakellian | well, the need for AA, that is |
| 20:41.37 | PhilRod | well, you could post a screenie |
| 20:42.05 | PhilRod | then anyone who would like to help has an idea what the problem is |
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| 20:42.19 | x0563511 | ok, let me get one |
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| 20:43.02 | x0563511 | http://img119.exs.cx/img119/1051/snapshot16mh.png |
| 20:43.15 | _apollo2011_ | How do I get KGet to open multiple connections to dl the same file. I currently have 1 file downloading and it appears to only have 1 connection established to the server |
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| 20:43.47 | x0563511 | any ideas what isn't set right? (i know it can look much better than that) |
| 20:44.40 | PhilRod | looks OK to me, but you probably want to switch AA on/off |
| 20:44.59 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 20:45.18 | Dhraakellian | I think something got "messed up" in my abortive attempt to upgrade xorg |
| 20:45.26 | Dhraakellian | fontwise |
| 20:45.32 | x0563511 | PhilRod: ive seen it look MUCH better than that before. AA is already on (off it looks like windows... bleh) and i have tried subpixel smoothing |
| 20:45.37 | Dhraakellian | since things don't look quite as clean anymore |
| 20:45.42 | Dhraakellian | and I had to turn AA back on |
| 20:46.24 | x0563511 | what is hinting style? |
| 20:49.30 | PhilRod | your font in kolourpaint isn't being AA'ed - it's probably a bitmap font |
| 20:49.42 | PhilRod | choose a vector font, and it should be plain sailing |
| 20:50.09 | PhilRod | (although, I'm coming round to the POV that good bitmap fonts are better than AA) |
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| 21:06.46 | PieD | @++++ |
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| 21:08.35 | Ph0nK | does anyone use Kate to edit Ruby code? |
| 21:09.32 | sredna | Ph0nK: I did a bit |
| 21:09.48 | Ph0nK | do you have any idea how to set it up to autoindent correctly? |
| 21:10.31 | sredna | Ph0nK: Uhm, I could possibly get some way using the variable indenter that is in kde 3.4, but I didn't try yet |
| 21:10.53 | Ph0nK | how do you configure the variable indenter? |
| 21:11.07 | sredna | Ph0nK: You can find a a bog about it at my website, http://alweb.dk |
| 21:11.15 | Ph0nK | sredna: thanks |
| 21:11.19 | sredna | Blog |
| 21:11.53 | sredna | Ph0nK: Since ruby is using word delimited blocks, you should look at what I use for sh |
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| 21:12.12 | Ph0nK | sredna: what am I looking for on htere? |
| 21:12.20 | sredna | Moment |
| 21:12.50 | Ph0nK | sredna: Thanks |
| 21:13.58 | sredna | http://alweb.dk/node/43 <- phonk |
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| 21:14.38 | Ph0nK | sredna: thanks |
| 21:14.46 | Ph0nK | sredna: the Normal indentation works ok |
| 21:14.47 | sredna | Otherwise it works ok though |
| 21:15.09 | sredna | Ph0nK: Yea, but getting it to do the rest would be cool, right? ;) |
| 21:15.11 | canllaith | hey sredna |
| 21:15.14 | sredna | Hey canllaith |
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| 21:15.23 | canllaith | :) |
| 21:15.58 | sredna | I've been crawled at by young girls all day, so just go on (mainly 4 year olds..) |
| 21:16.11 | canllaith | lol :P |
| 21:16.56 | canllaith | :O |
| 21:17.32 | sredna | I'm listening to aseigo on lugradio |
| 21:17.44 | canllaith | heh I was listening last night. He talks much, yes? :P |
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| 21:17.55 | sredna | Lol :) |
| 21:18.02 | frerich | Is that streamed? |
| 21:18.05 | Bille | sredna: what do you think? |
| 21:18.11 | sredna | http://lugradio.broken-monkey.org/ogg-high/season2/lugradio-s2e11-150305-high.ogg |
| 21:18.15 | canllaith | frerich: nah as mp3 or ogg |
| 21:18.19 | canllaith | Hey there, btw :) |
| 21:18.46 | sredna | Bille: I think the lugradio is funny :) |
| 21:19.33 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 21:19.35 | Bille | sredna: i listened to it this morning - there was too much laughter for 9am |
| 21:22.34 | frerich | so |
| 21:22.45 | frerich | lugradio folks are drunk? |
| 21:22.53 | canllaith | hahaha |
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| 21:37.44 | Roey | are LUGRadio streams still available?? |
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| 21:39.06 | sredna | http://lugradio.broken-monkey.org/ogg-high/season2/lugradio-s2e11-150305-high.ogg |
| 21:39.22 | Ringwraith` | what kind of moooosic |
| 21:39.42 | Roey | sredna: thanks |
| 21:40.05 | sredna | ! Stream, it's a file :) |
| 21:40.28 | Roey | ah :) |
| 21:40.37 | Roey | anyway I hope it was a good interview |
| 21:40.56 | Roey | I wonder if Aaron is as meticulous and unrelenting in real life as he is on-line |
| 21:41.10 | Roey | (hope he smashed them good) |
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| 21:45.40 | YHCIR | hi |
| 21:46.45 | Ringwraith` | Hi you must have a question, so please ask. |
| 21:47.03 | YHCIR | http://www.kde-look.org/help/index.php?type=35 |
| 21:47.04 | YHCIR | that ^ |
| 21:47.14 | YHCIR | where do i put the .png's? |
| 21:47.23 | YHCIR | in /pics/ ? |
| 21:47.45 | YHCIR | if so, why do i need to create the /Themes/ folder |
| 21:47.58 | canllaith | There is a button that says 'install new splash screen' if you're using a recent version for KDE |
| 21:48.02 | canllaith | Try that instead |
| 21:48.14 | YHCIR | i'm running 3.32 |
| 21:48.24 | YHCIR | 3.2.3* |
| 21:49.13 | YHCIR | and i dont have that option under 'look & feel' |
| 21:49.17 | YHCIR | i have 'add' |
| 21:49.24 | YHCIR | but it wants a theme file :/ |
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| 21:52.26 | Frost^ | good evening |
| 21:52.49 | Ringwraith` | wow it got cold in here all of a sudden |
| 21:53.02 | Frost^ | tiny question - seems to me that konqueror is never able to identify the size of the file I'm trying to download, while wget is |
| 21:53.09 | Frost^ | is this a bug or a bad setting? |
| 21:53.15 | canllaith | What version? |
| 21:53.18 | Frost^ | (kde3.4rc1) |
| 21:53.24 | canllaith | There was a bug in kio_http.. it's been fixed |
| 21:53.30 | canllaith | cvs up :) Or, wait for release |
| 21:53.37 | Frost^ | oh, ok |
| 21:53.43 | Frost^ | good to know :) thanks |
| 21:53.50 | Frost^ | I guess I'd wait |
| 21:54.02 | Frost^ | how often do you compile a new version, canllaith? |
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| 21:54.27 | canllaith | Frost^: every night really. |
| 21:54.56 | canllaith | ( for i in kdelibs kdebase kdenetwork kdepim kdegraphics kdemultimedia; do cvs up -A $i; pushd $i; make > makelog 2>&1; make DESTDIR=/home/dessa/pkdir install; popd; done ) |
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| 21:55.17 | canllaith | Then I come along later and tar up the binaries that are sitting in /home/me/pkgdir and move them over |
| 21:55.58 | Vandroy_Corp | canllaith, which distro? |
| 21:56.06 | canllaith | Why is that relevant? lol |
| 21:56.09 | canllaith | Slackware 10.1 |
| 21:56.17 | Vandroy_Corp | curiosuty ;) |
| 21:56.21 | canllaith | :P |
| 21:56.25 | Frost^ | canllaith, gotcha |
| 21:56.34 | Frost^ | did you ever time the compilation? |
| 21:56.46 | canllaith | No because I don't make clean or cvs-clean unless there is a build problem |
| 21:56.53 | Frost^ | took about 5 hours total on my machine if I recall correctly |
| 21:56.57 | canllaith | so I'd say, assuming I've updated 24 hours ago and haven't had to make clean |
| 21:56.58 | Frost^ | oh ok |
| 21:57.04 | canllaith | It takes maybe 2 hours to update, compile and package all the updates |
| 21:57.15 | Frost^ | ah, not bad |
| 21:57.29 | rich_B | heya:-) |
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| 21:58.17 | Frost^ | thanks once again for your help |
| 21:58.18 | Frost^ | :) |
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| 22:09.27 | jcurry | my ftp client barfed and cut my html file in half...is there a way i could recover the full page from konquie's cache? |
| 22:10.46 | jcurry | or maybe from /tmp? |
| 22:10.50 | jcurry | where could i look? |
| 22:11.55 | jcurry | i edited the file with kwrite, also |
| 22:14.54 | aseigo | jcurry: your cache will be somewhere in `kde-config --localprefix`/cache* |
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| 22:17.19 | canllaith | ullo aseigo :) |
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| 22:18.33 | Roey | aseigo: hi |
| 22:18.43 | Roey | how does KDE e.V. use donations? |
| 22:19.09 | jcurry | aseigo, ok, thanks |
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| 22:22.17 | aseigo | canllaith: hello |
| 22:22.19 | aseigo | Roey: 'lo ... |
| 22:22.25 | Tpo1 | e.V.? |
| 22:22.27 | aseigo | it uses them for things like conferences |
| 22:23.00 | aseigo | Tpo1: http://www.kde.org/areas/kde-ev/ |
| 22:23.20 | Roey | e.v. |
| 22:23.22 | Roey | ah ok |
| 22:24.07 | Tpo1 | hmm... it doesn't say what 'e. V.' stands for :x |
| 22:24.12 | Roey | aseigo: I'm interested in directly funding features or otherwise compensating developers, how would I do this? |
| 22:24.24 | Roey | aseigo: TSDiegos said there was no official way, unfortunately. |
| 22:24.39 | aseigo | no, there is no official way, as in "pay $N to KDE and KDE disburses the money" |
| 22:24.46 | aseigo | it's a rather tricky process to do that, really |
| 22:24.56 | aseigo | (if we wanted to =) |
| 22:25.05 | Roey | :) |
| 22:25.24 | Roey | well I can understand how one wouldn't want to make anyone feel bad by donating to someone else |
| 22:25.41 | Roey | I don't mind dropping some bucks for a feature though |
| 22:25.48 | aseigo | it's not just bad feelings, which is certainly a part of it, it's also legalities and promises |
| 22:25.52 | Roey | oh, ok. |
| 22:26.03 | aseigo | the easiest way is to just send some $ to the person |
| 22:26.07 | Roey | that's why it's a donation and not a bounty, yes? |
| 22:26.08 | aseigo | or pepole. or whatever. |
| 22:26.14 | aseigo | yes, that's why it's a donation =) |
| 22:26.17 | Roey | aseigo: but then you need to sign contracts and all |
| 22:26.23 | Roey | aseigo: (if you send ppl money) |
| 22:26.33 | aseigo | depending on the amount, that's probably a good idea, yes |
| 22:26.40 | aseigo | it keeps people focussed |
| 22:26.48 | Roey | so how do gnome bounties work |
| 22:26.52 | Roey | are those also donations, do you know? |
| 22:27.01 | aseigo | no, that's $ from Novell |
| 22:27.30 | aseigo | and the way they "work" (because i'm not sure how well they do, really) is someone sends in a patch to claim the bounty and if its accepted they get sent some $ |
| 22:27.37 | aseigo | nothing overly complex. |
| 22:27.55 | aseigo | Roey: hrm.. actually, i saw a page in the wiki somewhere.. hodl on |
| 22:28.37 | Roey | ok |
| 22:28.41 | kilrae | konqueror is annoying, web browsing and file managing are different things |
| 22:29.23 | Roey | *brb |
| 22:30.07 | aseigo | so is eating and breathing, yet our throat and mouth are involved in both processes |
| 22:30.10 | frerich | kilrae: debian sucks, ruby rules |
| 22:30.24 | kilrae | not using debian |
| 22:30.33 | frerich | aseigo: and here I was thinking "why did he skip giving head?" |
| 22:30.43 | canllaith | *blink* |
| 22:30.47 | aseigo | frerich: ha! |
| 22:31.05 | aseigo | Roey: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE+Bounties |
| 22:31.34 | aseigo | frerich: another fine use for the mouth |
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| 22:32.45 | c-101 | Hi |
| 22:33.38 | aseigo | hoi |
| 22:38.43 | Roey | "Once a pledge is make, announce it" |
| 22:40.26 | Roey | aseigo: on that link you provided there are English errors |
| 22:40.47 | Roey | aseigo: but I see how it works now... so you fill out a b.k.o item and then put a bounty on it |
| 22:40.47 | Plaidrab | I have a font question. |
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| 22:41.51 | Roey | neat |
| 22:41.52 | Plaidrab | I'm not primarily a KDE user, but I'm building a utility app that I'd like to be useful for KDE users as well - should they want it. :) |
| 22:42.01 | Roey | is it possible to give micro-bounties like $5, $10, etc? |
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| 22:42.35 | s3m10s | what's up with kde-apps and kde-look? |
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| 22:43.18 | Metrol | I'm having so darn much kiosk fun |
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| 22:43.54 | Metrol | Might someone have a clue as to what I might have done to my kiosk to make all my screensaver options vanish from the control center? |
| 22:44.14 | Metrol | Nothing is set immutable anywhere |
| 22:44.30 | aseigo | Roey: that's right |
| 22:44.32 | Plaidrab | Does KDE, by default, pay any attention to fontconfig? |
| 22:44.43 | aseigo | Roey: and sure.. i don't think there are any hard and fast rules at the moment. |
| 22:44.49 | WladyX | stupid question: does anyone know when the tarballs will be available? |
| 22:45.09 | s3m10s | which tarballs? |
| 22:45.17 | WladyX | the 3.4 ones :) |
| 22:45.22 | s3m10s | aha |
| 22:45.28 | Roey | aseigo: ok |
| 22:45.29 | s3m10s | due tomorrow means ? |
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| 22:45.42 | bobbyd | hi |
| 22:45.44 | WladyX | i'm on gentoo and i can't emerge world :P |
| 22:45.53 | Roey | aseigo: how about this... when I have an idea of what to donate to, i'll donate |
| 22:45.54 | s3m10s | lates |
| 22:45.58 | bobbyd | wnat are all these kdeinit processes that are taking up ram on my pc? :) |
| 22:46.06 | Roey | aseigo: er, not donate, but contribute monetarily |
| 22:46.17 | Metrol | Is 3.4 final expected out now, or we talking about the RC? |
| 22:46.23 | Roey | aseigo: difference being, I want to be exact in the input (money) and output (features, what kind of features, etc.) |
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| 22:49.20 | Metrol | Did it just get really quiet in here, or did I get lagged back to the stone age? |
| 22:50.44 | bobbyd | Metrol: it's quiet |
| 22:50.54 | Metrol | Yeah, it is that |
| 22:50.56 | bobbyd | Metrol: do you know what the kdeinit processes are? |
| 22:51.04 | Metrol | Sortta |
| 22:51.17 | Metrol | kdeinit is sort of a wrapper around other kde apps |
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| 22:51.37 | Metrol | stuff like kmail and such run as child processes of kdeinit |
| 22:51.48 | Metrol | That may be WAY off, so take it for what it's worth |
| 22:52.00 | Metrol | I'm not a developer |
| 22:52.07 | bobbyd | ok thanks |
| 22:52.47 | Metrol | I believe the idea behind kdeinit is to share what stuff has to open. This reduces startup time for KDE apps |
| 22:56.21 | Bille | Metrol: and ram |
| 22:56.40 | Metrol | Well, nice to know I was at least close to the mark :) |
| 22:56.54 | Bille | good answer :) |
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| 23:02.28 | morci | hi |
| 23:03.04 | morci | how can I change the sound kde makes when starting a session? |
| 23:03.11 | morci | is this possible? |
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| 23:03.48 | Ringwraith` | morci, go to the control center |
| 23:04.55 | StoffBox-Steve | someone here using "keyman" ? |
| 23:05.03 | morci | Ringwraith`: I have been looking to it about 1 hour, and didn't find it |
| 23:05.22 | Ringwraith` | morci kde 3.3? |
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| 23:06.01 | morci | Ringwraith`: yes, 3.3.2 |
| 23:06.43 | Ringwraith` | morci in control center sound & multimedia -> system notifications |
| 23:07.07 | morci | Ringwraith`: there I am, but cant found it |
| 23:07.08 | Ringwraith` | click on KDE system notifications in the event source |
| 23:07.37 | morci | Ringwraith`: ok, hold on, mine is in spanish :) |
| 23:07.42 | Ringwraith` | lol |
| 23:07.43 | Ringwraith` | ok |
| 23:08.26 | morci | Ringwraith`: right, and which is the event? |
| 23:08.34 | Ringwraith` | chasque encendido las notificaciones del sistema de KDE en la fuente del acontecimiento |
| 23:08.51 | morci | lol |
| 23:08.51 | Ringwraith` | KDE está empezando para arriba |
| 23:08.55 | morci | haha |
| 23:09.07 | Ringwraith` | heh |
| 23:09.07 | morci | Ringwraith`: eres español? |
| 23:09.12 | Ringwraith` | kde is starting up |
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| 23:10.21 | morci | haha |
| 23:10.49 | Metrol | Can someone point me to some info about kiosk and screensaver setup? |
| 23:11.05 | Metrol | I'm able to get a default screensaver, but then all the other options vanish |
| 23:12.04 | Ringwraith` | ive seen some old shit in the kde source header files |
| 23:12.30 | Metrol | In kdeartwork perhaps? |
| 23:12.43 | sonderblade | what is kded doing? |
| 23:13.05 | morci | Ringwraith`: found it!!, but now I know why I didn't have sound on startup, my player doesn't work |
| 23:15.41 | Dhraakellian | hmm... how is kopete's list of away messages in File > Set Status > Away determined? |
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| 23:34.51 | morci | does anyone know wich package of kde has the event sounds? |
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| 23:41.03 | grepper | morci: depends which sounds you mean |
| 23:41.14 | grepper | s/sounds/evernts |
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| 23:52.11 | humbolt | is kde 3.4 going to be released tomorrow? |
| 23:52.46 | aseigo | that's what the release schedule says |
| 23:53.13 | humbolt | yes, but you never know |
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