| 00:01.17 | s3m10s | kde-look and kde-apps have the smae login, right? |
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| 00:09.54 | koruptid | ugh.... I really wish I had a gigabit network |
| 00:10.38 | s3m10s | try copying hte main kde directory over a wirelessb network. took half an hour |
| 00:11.27 | koruptid | uh.... try copying 70 gigs of data across 100mb |
| 00:11.38 | s3m10s | that's why we have screwdrivers |
| 00:11.54 | s3m10s | how can I get a header file from kde 3.2? |
| 00:12.09 | koruptid | that would make sense... except that its from an xfs partition to a NTFS5 partition |
| 00:12.20 | sarah03 | s3m10s: webcvs? |
| 00:12.21 | s3m10s | mount them all up on linux |
| 00:12.31 | s3m10s | you can't mount them both/? |
| 00:12.53 | s3m10s | duh. ntfs5. |
| 00:12.55 | s3m10s | sorry |
| 00:12.59 | sarah03 | And the copying to an NTFS partition wouldn't work on Linux. The linux NTFS driver has very limited r/w support. |
| 00:13.02 | koruptid | ntfs writing in linux is flaky at best... you run a 50/50 chance of trashing the data |
| 00:13.22 | sarah03 | [The new one, anyway. The old one, you're pretty much guaranteed to trash it.] |
| 00:13.23 | s3m10s | captive-static hates me personally. the things it should write never get committed to the disk. |
| 00:13.37 | s3m10s | and files over 1gig won't work |
| 00:14.19 | koruptid | I'm going through all this pain because trying to get samba to use NT style permisions is like trying to pull teeth |
| 00:14.26 | koruptid | with tweesers |
| 00:15.00 | s3m10s | have to dl 16 mb to get a 565kb file. |
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| 00:19.53 | apow | koruptid: what the point of having a gigabit network? i doubt your hd can pump up 125 MB per second |
| 00:20.09 | apow | benefit would be minimal in your case |
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| 00:23.18 | sarah03 | apow: Depends on whether the network he's doing the transfer over is already saturated, really. |
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| 00:26.18 | s3m10s | the point isnt the 125, its the 12.5 |
| 00:26.44 | apow | sarah03: i dont think that's his case |
| 00:26.49 | apow | i might be wrong though |
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| 00:27.17 | sarah03 | And I dunno, but off of the drives I have in this machine, I can fully saturate 100baseTX-FD myself. |
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| 00:27.42 | apow | he could also have a scsi raid setup or some fiberchannel disk array, but i digress :P |
| 00:28.12 | sarah03 | You could do it with a pair of ATA-100 drives in a striped setup. |
| 00:28.30 | apow | in theory yeah |
| 00:28.43 | apow | my drives hardly go beyond 6 MB/s |
| 00:28.50 | sarah03 | And you've also got to keep in mind the overhead of whatever protocol you're dealing with. |
| 00:28.56 | apow | yup |
| 00:29.18 | sarah03 | ... Anyway, someone wants to use the phone here, and I hate dial-up. |
| 00:29.22 | motoom | Is it normal that the sounds are slow? When I message box is displayed, it takes 2 seconds before the alert sound is played. |
| 00:29.26 | apow | i second that. |
| 00:29.45 | sarah03 | [And I'm on dial-up.] |
| 00:29.49 | sarah03 | So... |
| 00:29.54 | apow | cya :) |
| 00:30.02 | motoom | by that time, I have already cliked Ok and the Messagebox is gone. Rather stupid to hear the sound only then |
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| 00:43.05 | dwango | http://digilander.libero.it/chiediloapippo/Engineering/iarchitect/tcpip2.gif <- best GUI ever |
| 00:46.27 | mobtek | heh |
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| 01:12.53 | Oleg_ | canllaith: slackware? yeah, gooh |
| 01:12.58 | Oleg_ | good |
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| 01:14.44 | motoom | Oleg, that name sounds familiar to me |
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| 01:14.55 | motoom | Yes! I read your C++ articles yesterday |
| 01:15.12 | Mojo_Jojo | question: how do I get return value of my IP address? |
| 01:15.20 | Mojo_Jojo | and not the masked IP address... the global one |
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| 01:15.40 | apollo2011 | Where is printer administration on SuSE 9.2? |
| 01:15.43 | ItamAri | When I start KDE I get a few errors about 'cannot load applet' what should I do ? |
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| 01:15.45 | apollo2011 | in Control Center |
| 01:15.52 | dwango | Mojo_Jojo, "ifconfig"? |
| 01:16.05 | HoraceF | Is there anyway I can boot into Knoppix and extract the XF86 settings so that I can use them on my Sarge installation. Knoppix picked up everything just fine but in my Sarge install I've got serious mouse issues |
| 01:16.23 | Mojo_Jojo | dwango, Im behind a router |
| 01:16.36 | Mojo_Jojo | it gives me the masked iP: 192.168.0.2 |
| 01:16.39 | ItamAri | Anyone? please... |
| 01:16.41 | dwango | Mojo_Jojo, in that case your machine doesn't know what the router's IP is |
| 01:16.49 | dwango | you'll have to use a different method |
| 01:17.05 | Mojo_Jojo | yeah, do you know any? |
| 01:17.17 | Oleg_ | int I_am_good; |
| 01:17.17 | dwango | Mojo_Jojo, http://www.whatismyip.com/ |
| 01:17.41 | Mojo_Jojo | yeah, I know those websites |
| 01:17.50 | Mojo_Jojo | but Im trying to write a program that will display that to me |
| 01:18.24 | dwango | I don't think you're going to be able to determine the outside address without either asking the router or asking some outside host. |
| 01:18.56 | Mojo_Jojo | hmm, I guess I could make a python program that goes to this website to check my IP |
| 01:19.09 | Mojo_Jojo | but that wont be efficient, or is this common ? |
| 01:19.28 | ItamAri | Doesn't anyone know how to handle this msg ??? ('cannot~ load applet') |
| 01:19.30 | dwango | It is a common problem |
| 01:19.48 | Mojo_Jojo | thanks buddy |
| 01:19.56 | dwango | the outside address is completely hidden from your machine by the NAT |
| 01:20.25 | Mojo_Jojo | yeah, I'll make python get the HTML code and then handle it |
| 01:20.58 | ItamAri | After I installed KDE I can't get the teskbar/desktop/ applets to work... any ideas ? |
| 01:21.50 | motoom | Well, does your X work? |
| 01:22.01 | Mojo_Jojo | ItamAri, where are you from? |
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| 01:22.25 | seelk | does anyone know where i can find the Kentoo icon set? |
| 01:22.28 | seelk | kde-look has a bad link |
| 01:22.32 | ItamAri | motoom: yes, My Xserver work, but it doesn't show teskbar and gives errors about it |
| 01:23.24 | Mojo_Jojo | ItamAri, where are you from? |
| 01:23.28 | motoom | What happens when you start your X server? Do you see a XTerminal window? |
| 01:24.35 | ItamAri | motoom: I can Use KDE normally Just without some shourtcuts and applets. I can't see the multidesktop little icons |
| 01:24.56 | motoom | Oh, in that case, I don't have a clue. |
| 01:27.04 | koruptid | anybody want a gmail address? |
| 01:27.18 | motoom | What is gmail? |
| 01:27.36 | koruptid | http://www.gmail.com |
| 01:28.07 | SteamedPenguin | koruptid: thanks, I have two, and 100 invites |
| 01:28.10 | SteamedPenguin | :) |
| 01:28.17 | koruptid | heh |
| 01:28.34 | koruptid | they should just open the system and stop with the invites |
| 01:29.02 | ItamAri | exit |
| 01:29.33 | motoom | Yeah, I'd like to try. I havent experienced it yet. |
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| 01:32.23 | koruptid | motoom: pm me your current email |
| 01:36.50 | sarah03 | Mm. DCOP fun. |
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| 01:42.39 | koruptid | well... I know what would be a nice feature for KDE now |
| 01:44.33 | dwango | perhaps Google will never open it globally. |
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| 01:45.43 | dwango | That would cause it to lose its exclusivity factor and become more of a hotmail. |
| 01:49.37 | koruptid | I wish you could apply some sort of fake xinerama layer to kde.... to get around the ATI fglrx big desktop problem |
| 01:49.47 | SteamedPenguin | dwango: except google apparently knows how to run a real mail service |
| 01:50.11 | koruptid | gmail rox! :) |
| 01:50.17 | sarah03 | koruptid: Xdmx |
| 01:50.24 | koruptid | xdmx? |
| 01:50.28 | dwango | i wish they would support imap |
| 01:50.47 | sarah03 | Xdmx is a distrubuted multi-head X server, capable of supporting Xinerama. |
| 01:51.02 | sarah03 | Basically... it overlays a bunch of X displays, and turns them into one big one. |
| 01:51.20 | sarah03 | It's Xnest on crack. :D |
| 01:51.35 | koruptid | sounds intresting... and a pain to impliment |
| 01:51.44 | sarah03 | It *does* work. |
| 01:52.12 | koruptid | but probably defeats the overall point of being able to run 3D stuff |
| 01:53.20 | dwango | I just wish ATI would get composite support in fglrx |
| 01:53.23 | SteamedPenguin | dwango: why? they can forward to an IMAP server and then you configure kmail to use their smtp. :) send out as yourgmailaddress@gmail.com |
| 01:53.26 | SteamedPenguin | :) |
| 01:53.52 | dwango | SteamedPenguin, true |
| 01:53.57 | SteamedPenguin | and they use TLS for SMTP, pretty darn cool |
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| 01:57.21 | Adylas | Hello ! I just update to KDE 3.4 RC1 .. Great job :-) but 2 things goes little bad here. First , K menu "pop" on the wrong screen (I got 3 display in full Xinerama) .. This is very bad for me .. And other little thing is .. Do we can active "auto hiding" on external taskbar ? Thanks |
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| 01:59.26 | motoom | Any idea how I tell konqueror to NEVER use spellchecking? |
| 01:59.45 | koruptid | motoom: not install it? :) |
| 02:00.19 | motoom | I'm not able to turn it off, Konq keeps highlighting words in red in input fields, very irritating |
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| 02:01.54 | Adylas | Ok, forget my 2nd question .. I just found .. Now the only glitch I got is "K menu pop on wrong screen ??" |
| 02:02.22 | dwango | adylas: where does it pop up? |
| 02:02.27 | dwango | in relation to the main screen |
| 02:02.33 | Adylas | dwango, On left screen |
| 02:02.35 | mobtek | ok turned off active desktop borders and using kompose instead hehehe |
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| 02:02.41 | motoom | I never installed any spellchecking on purpose... It must have been installed when I put KDE on the PC. |
| 02:02.52 | dwango | Adylas, does it pop up on the left side of the screen or the right side? |
| 02:02.59 | dwango | (of the left screeN) |
| 02:03.02 | Adylas | dwango, Right side .. |
| 02:03.09 | motoom | If anybody has any tips how to rip spellchecking out of KDE, I'm interested |
| 02:03.20 | dwango | adylas, what if you drag the K button to the middle of the panel |
| 02:03.24 | Adylas | dwango, Like if KDE want it near near of left on center but fall to left screen |
| 02:03.41 | dwango | Adylas, well it doesn't appear that you can do that =) |
| 02:03.49 | dwango | Adylas, try making the panel smaller, and center it |
| 02:03.52 | dwango | in the panel options |
| 02:04.01 | dwango | change the size to something below 100% |
| 02:04.04 | CapNemo | hello :) i have a problem with kmail : i put a disconnected imap and a check every 5 minutes : but the check seems a full scan each time of all folders and the computer where the imap is gets quickly warm !!! is there a way to parameter this ?? |
| 02:04.26 | Adylas | dwango, Ha , if I drag it at very very center , the menu pop on center screen (it good) .. But but .. Hee I dont want that boutton at center of my bar ? |
| 02:04.28 | mobtek | motoom: spelling checking is good mmkay ;) |
| 02:05.09 | dwango | Adylas, if theres no other way currently, a quick fix might be to make the pan size "99%" |
| 02:05.25 | dwango | Adylas, try that |
| 02:05.35 | Adylas | dwango, Nope .. |
| 02:05.54 | motoom | mobtek: You might find spellchecking nice, but to me the uninvited red highlighting of (dutch) words I write, is offensive. |
| 02:06.04 | dwango | Adylas, no it didn't work? |
| 02:06.21 | mobtek | motoom: hahah :) |
| 02:06.27 | Adylas | dwango, If I make it 99% whit the K boutton at left .. its pop on wrong screen |
| 02:06.42 | mobtek | then use a nederlands dictionary :) |
| 02:06.43 | dwango | Adylas, try something more like 95% then |
| 02:06.56 | Adylas | dwango, Still not |
| 02:07.06 | dwango | strange |
| 02:07.23 | motoom | I write all kinds of language, mixed. And I can spell fine, I don't need no automatic spellchecking. It reminds me of Microsoft and its irritating paperclip |
| 02:07.24 | dwango | Adylas, what happens if you move the k button to the second button position on the panel |
| 02:07.33 | Adylas | dwango, I didnt look at kde bugzilla , you think there is allrdy a bug filled ? |
| 02:07.43 | dwango | Adylas, probably |
| 02:08.17 | motoom | If this spellchecking can't be turned off, that will be a disappointment in KDE for me. |
| 02:08.18 | Adylas | dwango, Still .. To let it pop on good screen , I need to move it "VERY" away form border |
| 02:08.49 | mobtek | motoom: has to be done on a per app basis methinks has kcontrol doesn't seem to have an option to turn it off on 3.3.2 |
| 02:09.10 | Adylas | motoom, All GUI got disappointement .. Thats normal .. They (KDE coders) cant do all ? |
| 02:09.22 | motoom | They did too much, in this case ;-) |
| 02:09.35 | motoom | BTW any option should be configurable |
| 02:09.52 | motoom | That's what I like about Konversation (and a lot of other apps in KDE too) |
| 02:10.03 | Adylas | motoom, Life is not perfect .. Anyway, I like it in that way .. If things was all the time perfect .. humain will be useless P |
| 02:10.03 | motoom | Other windowing systems are a lot less configurable than KDE. |
| 02:10.22 | mobtek | kekek motoom just a tad |
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| 02:10.33 | motoom | It's this kind of configurability that made me prefer KDE over other windowing systems. |
| 02:10.54 | motoom | Would it be possible to just delete any spelling dictionaries |
| 02:11.32 | motoom | ...or disable the ispell program |
| 02:11.42 | dwango | but too much configurability can impede usability as well |
| 02:12.03 | Adylas | dwango, Got others idea dwango ? Because that make K menu very .. (this remplace a bad word) |
| 02:12.07 | motoom | dwango: I disagree with that. |
| 02:12.27 | Adylas | Bha users get lost .. (Normal user ..) |
| 02:12.30 | motoom | Things should have good defaults, and not need preconfiguring (i.e. work out of the box) |
| 02:12.47 | motoom | But they should be configurable for those who want to take control |
| 02:12.47 | dwango | Adylas, I don't know, sorry :( -- File a bug report and hope for a fix in the final =) |
| 02:13.20 | motoom | To prevent users getting lost, the configuration options could be split into basic & advanced options |
| 02:13.35 | Adylas | dwango, Well , you want to see my on front page of NY times ? Flying down form a bridge ? |
| 02:13.41 | motoom | With the advanced options initially hidden |
| 02:14.22 | dwango | motoom, well, to rephrase, too much readibly visible configurability is an impedence to usability |
| 02:14.34 | motoom | To that, I can agree |
| 02:14.38 | dwango | s/is/can be/ |
| 02:15.01 | dwango | example: Control Center has about 80 items and subitems in its tree view |
| 02:15.32 | motoom | Yes, maybe they should make a 'advanced' checkbox |
| 02:15.45 | motoom | Simple config and Advanced config |
| 02:16.01 | dwango | I don't know the answer, but it does perhaps need a bit of work. |
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| 02:18.18 | motoom | They seem to concentrate on putting more eyecandy fluff in the GUI, like transparent windows and shadows and other useless hypes |
| 02:19.53 | mobtek | motoom: those useless hypes are why average users decide to use a desktop, seriously :) |
| 02:20.05 | ama | i like control panel |
| 02:20.15 | ama | but i know alot dont |
| 02:20.15 | Adylas | dwango, there is a simple URL to KDE bugzilla ? |
| 02:20.21 | mobtek | those hypes are why I move windows users over to KDE :P |
| 02:20.47 | mobtek | cause they go OOOOOHHHHH! then start using KDE and start really disliking their windows desktop :P |
| 02:21.05 | motoom | mobtek: Ok, it could attract people who prefer eye candy over functionality, but that's not why I use KDE. After running KDE for a while, I switched off all eyecandy. |
| 02:21.06 | mobtek | but mainly because they can configure everything they way they want ot |
| 02:21.08 | mobtek | it even |
| 02:21.18 | mobtek | see above ^^ |
| 02:21.19 | mobtek | :P |
| 02:21.33 | mobtek | it's the configuration stuff that sells them, the eyecandy gets this interested |
| 02:21.38 | mobtek | s/this/them |
| 02:21.44 | motoom | I'd like to know tho, how to make the mouse cursor white. It's now black and ofter I can't see it. |
| 02:21.55 | mobtek | change your mouse theme |
| 02:22.04 | motoom | Ehm, that would change all mouse images? |
| 02:22.13 | mobtek | which seriously I wish didn't need x restarted |
| 02:22.21 | mobtek | but your right that would be really handy |
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| 02:23.32 | motoom | I want the 'old classic X cursors', but a white pointer instead of a black one... 'Mouse themes' doesnt offer that ;-( |
| 02:23.40 | japan | how can i find all the files/libs that kdevelop (or kwrite) use to run |
| 02:24.06 | japan | i want to know what are the most essentials actual files to get those running |
| 02:24.42 | Vortux | how do you take a screenshot? |
| 02:25.19 | japan | Vortux, i use imagemagick - it has a program called import you call from the console |
| 02:25.34 | motoom | Vortux: there is a small utility for that in KDE |
| 02:25.39 | motoom | but I forgot the name |
| 02:25.52 | Vortux | japan: ill have to try that |
| 02:25.56 | motoom | Ah, it's KSnapShot |
| 02:25.58 | motoom | ksnapshot |
| 02:25.58 | Vortux | motoom: found it... KSnapShot |
| 02:26.02 | motoom | Yes... |
| 02:26.03 | Vortux | lol |
| 02:26.10 | motoom | I use it often |
| 02:27.29 | Vortux | is there a way to do it just by pressing a key/key combo? like cmd+shift+3 on mac? |
| 02:27.56 | mobtek | khotkeys and dcop perhaps? |
| 02:28.38 | motoom | Have you tried PrintScreen key? |
| 02:28.58 | mobtek | heheh |
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| 02:29.28 | Vortux | motoom: that works, but it puts it on the clipboard, i want it to save automatically |
| 02:29.48 | motoom | I wrote a utility for that www.ovosoft.nl/snapper , but it's for Windows ;-( |
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| 02:30.25 | Vortux | motoom: well, when i have wine working (which may take me a while...), then maybe i can use that... |
| 02:30.34 | motoom | LoL |
| 02:30.43 | motoom | Let me know if it works ;-) |
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| 02:31.35 | mobtek | hehe motoom put icing sugar on it as well with the salt |
| 02:31.40 | mobtek | > * :) |
| 02:32.04 | mobtek | haha salty and sweet, yummy |
| 02:32.11 | Vortux | my friend puts nacho cheese on brownies... |
| 02:32.26 | mobtek | muhahaha |
| 02:32.39 | mobtek | sounds like your friend had the munchies |
| 02:32.52 | Vortux | no, he does it regularly, he just likes it |
| 02:32.52 | motoom | nono no sugar |
| 02:33.01 | Vortux | but everyone on his BUS has the munchies |
| 02:33.15 | Vortux | ive considered getting on his bus and selling twinkies... |
| 02:37.20 | chavo | Vortux, we're all going to get some twinkies. |
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| 02:41.43 | jmazaredo | do kwrite put some encoding on files?? |
| 02:42.22 | jmazaredo | ?? |
| 02:42.48 | mobtek | so with 3.4.0 will I be able to alter the transparency and xcomposite settings from kcontrol? |
| 02:43.27 | NaRCoT | I just reinstalled KDE and now I have problams. at first my taskbar Icons didn't work, now I found out that when I wanna add applet I have double of almost everything... (Ex:I can choose pager twice...) Anyone has any idea ? |
| 02:43.36 | chavo | mobtek, yes there's a settings dialog for kompmgr |
| 02:44.22 | motoom | Narcot: There was somebody here earlier with exactly the same problem as you have (ItamAri) |
| 02:45.03 | NaRCoT | motoom: That was me... but earlier I didn't realize I had everything doubled... |
| 02:45.35 | jmazaredo | do kwrite puts some enconding on .cf files??? |
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| 02:46.00 | NaRCoT | motoom, I think the reason is that I upgraded from woody to sarge I had lots of garbage left. now they're starting to come up... |
| 02:46.36 | NaRCoT | how do I make a clean install? even if it means removing KDE then cleaning everything and installing KDE |
| 02:46.59 | motoom | I think it depends on what OS you're running |
| 02:48.22 | mobtek | chavo: awesome :) |
| 02:48.36 | mobtek | chavo: is it per app? or just general? |
| 02:49.07 | chavo | mobtek, there are general sttings, plus you can change the opacity of each app, with a slider. |
| 02:50.21 | mobtek | chavo: noice :) |
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| 02:52.27 | NaRCoT | anyone knows where I can find help with it ? |
| 02:54.18 | chavo | NaRCoT, you can try removing /var/tmp/kdecache-username. |
| 02:54.54 | chavo | and the other temp files /tmp/kde-username |
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| 02:55.53 | NaRCoT | chavo, I think It's more then that cause I had to move files from /usr/share/applications/xxxxxxx to /usr/share/applnk/xxxxx and more. Do you still think it'll help? |
| 02:56.33 | chavo | NaRCoT, I don't know. But it's probably worth a try. It has cleared up some issues for me in the past. |
| 02:57.47 | NaRCoT | chavo, Ok, I'll try that... |
| 02:59.33 | mobtek | k3b: error while loading shared libraries: k3b: undefined symbol: _ZN3K3b19simpleKernelVersionEv |
| 02:59.34 | mobtek | grrr |
| 02:59.38 | mobtek | 0.11.20 |
| 03:02.55 | thiago | mobtek: recompile |
| 03:03.32 | motoom | "As you're using Gmail, you might also see some ads or related links." |
| 03:05.44 | mobtek | thiago: that was a recompile :P |
| 03:05.50 | thiago | not a full one |
| 03:05.55 | thiago | clean up and rebuild again |
| 03:06.22 | mobtek | I blame emerge then :) |
| 03:06.37 | motoom | "residual copies of email may remain on our systems for some time" |
| 03:06.39 | mobtek | emerge -C coming up :) |
| 03:06.56 | motoom | emerge, isn't that the Gentoo package system? |
| 03:07.07 | mobtek | thiago: reemerging :) |
| 03:07.44 | motoom | Whoa, time to go to bed. Cu laterz |
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| 03:21.29 | mobtek | dwango: same |
| 03:21.34 | mobtek | for gnome stuff I never use hehehe |
| 03:22.10 | mobtek | thiago: here goes |
| 03:22.33 | mobtek | same prob |
| 03:23.18 | thiago | fix the build then |
| 03:23.23 | thiago | or it's a code bug |
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| 03:23.49 | ScArE2100 | there should be an option to turn off transparency globally for a certain type of window |
| 03:23.55 | mobtek | yeah I'll put in a bug report after I have tested it from the other src not the ebuild |
| 03:23.56 | ScArE2100 | eg ones that use opengl |
| 03:24.22 | dwango | mobtek, yeah, against my best wishes i've got gnome stuff to :/ |
| 03:24.30 | mobtek | dwango: kekeke |
| 03:24.45 | dwango | guess i should have -gnome in my use flags =) |
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| 03:29.21 | _mark | I've tried to make KDE my default WM on a Sarge installation but after adding a .xinitrc file with startkde in it, I have to loggin at the console before issuing startx. How do I default into kde to login on bootup? |
| 03:33.48 | Lazydog | edit /etc/inittab and replace the 3 with a 5 like this id:5:initdefault: |
| 03:36.28 | mobtek | _mark: and install kdm and put in the default startup like rc-update or whatever it is |
| 03:36.39 | mobtek | s/like/with |
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| 03:39.15 | _mark | Ok I edited inittab, but KDE was installed at Debian installation time, should I apt-get upgrade it? |
| 03:40.00 | mobtek | which kde is it? |
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| 03:40.06 | mobtek | which kde is it? |
| 03:40.59 | _mark | 3.3.2 |
| 03:42.11 | dwango | _mark: apt-get install kdm |
| 03:44.10 | _mark | ok and that will do a fresh KDE install and I will then boot automatically into KDE? |
| 03:44.34 | dwango | that should only install the K display manager |
| 03:44.49 | dwango | and add an entry to /etc/init.d |
| 03:44.56 | dwango | and yes, it *should* start at boot |
| 03:46.17 | _mark | OK, so I need to add a link to the /etc/init.d for KDM |
| 03:46.45 | dwango | apt-get should add it automagically |
| 03:46.56 | _mark | also, should I delete the GDM entry in init.d |
| 03:47.06 | dwango | _mark, apt-get remove gdm |
| 03:47.55 | _mark | gotcha, one last thing, do I need the .xinitrc file in my home directory, it only needs that if I call startx right? |
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| 03:48.10 | dwango | right |
| 03:48.21 | dwango | kdm should give you a list of possible session types to choose from |
| 03:48.25 | dwango | one of which is kde |
| 03:48.40 | dwango | and it will store your choice |
| 03:48.56 | _mark | thanks, you guys have been awesome. It's been a while since I've messed with any linux GUI stuff. |
| 03:49.46 | dwango | you'll be impressed =) |
| 03:50.12 | gloin | I've seen a trick that certiain distros do for multi-booting where the logout dialog (I think it was in KDM but am not sure) presented the user with a list of reboot options - linux2.6, linux2.4, freebsd, memtestx86, etc, rather than having to try and catch the grub menu when the computer rebooted. Does anyone know what the trick is for this? |
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| 03:58.40 | _mark | Well I'm back. I rebooted and got KDM to log me in, and then it started up gnome, is there a config file for KDM telling it what to launch? |
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| 03:59.23 | Mojo_Jojo | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21396 |
| 03:59.25 | Mojo_Jojo | check it out ;) |
| 03:59.35 | Mojo_Jojo | and vote 'good' |
| 03:59.52 | gloin | heh, nice |
| 04:00.00 | gloin | looks like I'll stick with gkrellm though - smaller =] |
| 04:00.34 | Mojo_Jojo | I didnt do the graphics, Im too lame |
| 04:00.45 | Mojo_Jojo | I just made it work |
| 04:00.49 | Mojo_Jojo | did some python to it |
| 04:00.57 | gloin | looks smooth |
| 04:01.13 | Mojo_Jojo | now it can check POP3 SSL accounts |
| 04:01.33 | Mojo_Jojo | I'll take a look at gkrellm |
| 04:01.48 | illogic-al | Mojo_Jojo! |
| 04:02.53 | illogic-al | Mojo_Jojo: but why not just ask the other fantastik guy to add you features |
| 04:03.25 | Mojo_Jojo | hmm, well, I wrote them, and I thought I'd share |
| 04:03.41 | Mojo_Jojo | Im giving him his credit |
| 04:06.52 | illogic-al | just curious. it gets pretty annoying to see multiple versions of these things pop up for seemingly no good reason :-/ |
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| 04:07.58 | Mojo_Jojo | oh, I did pretty significant work. the whole E-mail feture was disfunctional, plus there were problems with IP, and the buttons linked to applications from Swaziland |
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| 04:14.22 | illogic-al | Mojo_Jojo: could've submitted a patch and then make a new version if it wasn't submitted methinks. |
| 04:16.58 | illogic-al | Mojo_Jojo: but looks good nonetheless. |
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| 04:32.45 | _mark | what's the best way to configure KDM. Is there a config file I can edit to force it to start KDE rather than Gnome on Debian? |
| 04:33.03 | gloin | _mark: look around in /etc/sysconfig |
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| 04:34.20 | _mark | I was just looking for it. I don't have it on my Debian Sarge install |
| 04:34.41 | gloin | oh debian |
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| 04:36.16 | _mark | yeah I know, from what I've read everywhere the sysconfig holds the setting. Switching desktops on debian is less than intuitive |
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| 05:12.56 | Paleo | anyone's using the new logitech feature in kcontrol ? |
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| 05:14.34 | jmedina | hi there |
| 05:14.49 | jmedina | im havin troubles with konqueror and relation documents bars |
| 05:17.01 | Octane | im tring to compile kompose and it cant find "imlib2-config" whats that all about? |
| 05:17.03 | chavo | jmedina, rm rellinks.desktop |
| 05:17.43 | jmedina | chakie, where is that file? |
| 05:18.27 | chavo | jmedina, $KDEDIR/share/apps/khtml/kpartplugins/plugin_rellinks.desktop |
| 05:18.38 | Octane | oops i needed imlib2-devel |
| 05:18.54 | jmedina | chakie, is there any explanation about that? |
| 05:19.11 | chavo | jmedina, no but it's fixed now. |
| 05:19.31 | Elsidox | anyone here use suse? |
| 05:19.50 | Elsidox | that would be willing to help me with yast? |
| 05:19.59 | Elsidox | no one in the suse chat will answere me |
| 05:20.00 | Elsidox | =( |
| 05:21.40 | jmedina | chakie, thants Im reading http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94814 |
| 05:21.53 | jmedina | chakie, thank you very mucho for the light :D |
| 05:22.46 | chavo | jmedina, no problem a lot of people have come here with that annoyance :) |
| 05:23.21 | jmedina | chavo, jeje, I never came here |
| 05:23.33 | jmedina | Im glad to see people helping |
| 05:23.42 | jmedina | chavo I put this solution in my page |
| 05:23.50 | jmedina | althought is in spanish |
| 05:23.57 | chavo | no I mean a lot of people have had that problem, including myself. |
| 05:26.12 | Octane | anyone know if fc3 3.4rc1 rpm's are out? |
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| 05:35.45 | jmedina | chavo, thanks again document relations are gone |
| 05:35.46 | jmedina | :D |
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| 05:36.47 | gregday | *thwack* thank you sir may i have another! |
| 05:38.01 | jmedina | gregday, DRM option? |
| 05:42.07 | Octane | is there a way to sort my menus alphabetically |
| 05:42.24 | SteamedPenguin | gregday: yeah the kpdf devs needs to have his privates DRM'd |
| 05:44.47 | ijuma82 | Octane: I think the kde-redhat project already has them....kde-redhat.sf.net |
| 05:45.13 | Octane | beatuiful! didnt know it existed |
| 05:45.14 | Octane | thank you sir |
| 05:45.24 | ijuma82 | Octane: pleasure :) |
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| 05:47.32 | Octane | YAY |
| 05:53.33 | Octane | ijuma82, actually i had the kde-redhat's project repos in my yum repo list but unstable/testing werent enabled |
| 05:53.34 | Octane | :D |
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| 06:06.16 | Paleo | is there a way to tell KDE to never give focus to a windows ? |
| 06:11.08 | dwango | you can keep a window below others.. |
| 06:12.02 | Paleo | it's a dock panel |
| 06:12.31 | dwango | oh, i dunno |
| 06:12.33 | Paleo | I want it over everything (this is fine now) but when I move mouse over it, it take focus |
| 06:13.06 | dwango | can you get window properties on it? |
| 06:13.41 | Paleo | yes |
| 06:14.23 | dwango | "Special window settings"? |
| 06:14.41 | Paleo | yes |
| 06:14.57 | dwango | under workarounds, theres an option called "focus stealing prevention" |
| 06:15.00 | dwango | you might try that |
| 06:15.18 | dwango | not entirely sure what it does |
| 06:15.42 | Paleo | okay |
| 06:16.43 | Paleo | I'm using kmoothdock... but there is many bugs and the developement seem to be halt... do you have any other recommendation for a nice shortcut bar , looking a bit like OSX ? |
| 06:16.50 | Paleo | ksmoothdock * |
| 06:17.43 | dwango | nope |
| 06:17.47 | dwango | search kde-apps.org |
| 06:17.50 | dwango | or kde-look.org |
| 06:22.32 | Octane | lame question -- gnome automatically added usb drives to my desktop, do i need to mount them manually with kde? |
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| 06:37.30 | Octane | time to restart x for kde 3.4! |
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| 06:47.08 | neom | :| |
| 06:48.57 | Vortux | sorry all, annoying little brother got to my comp |
| 06:49.16 | mobtek | hahaha |
| 06:49.23 | mobtek | sure Vortux sure :) |
| 06:49.55 | Vortux | tho by little i mean three minutes younger than me lol, i have a twin |
| 06:51.10 | mobtek | hahha evil twin? |
| 06:51.16 | mobtek | are you conjoined? |
| 06:51.22 | Vortux | ...yes, actually... i never really did like him much |
| 06:51.25 | Vortux | mobtek: no... |
| 06:51.26 | mobtek | kekeke |
| 06:51.55 | mobtek | man I wish I had had a twin, although I'm sure my mother is really really glad I didn't |
| 06:52.24 | Vortux | having a twin is horrible |
| 06:52.42 | Vortux | (fraternal btw... itd be even worse being identical) |
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| 07:02.45 | mobtek | hehe Vortux |
| 07:03.38 | lauri | canllaith is my virtual evil twin, my real life brother is just a twit |
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| 07:04.46 | gregday | hm. i wanna try Klax, but i dont wanna ruin my uptime |
| 07:04.53 | lauri | and we (boy and girl) used to get asked on around about a weekly basis "so, are you identical or the other kind of twins" |
| 07:05.36 | lauri | gregday: uptime is pointless, it's a big waving sign saying "hey, THIS many days since a security patch" - availability is the most valuable metric |
| 07:05.39 | mobtek | haha lauri |
| 07:06.56 | gregday | lauri: security patch...? against the kernel, perhaps... but i believe i can stop and restart most daemons without a reboot |
| 07:07.13 | gregday | besides, i was joking |
| 07:07.18 | lauri | gregday: so was I (mostly) |
| 07:08.17 | Vortux | lauri: we get that too, every so often. but weve mostly gotten people who dont believe were twins even after our mother tells them we are |
| 07:08.37 | Vortux | she says "I was there when they were born, trust me, they're twins" |
| 07:08.58 | lauri | Vortux: heh, yeah, that too |
| 07:09.24 | lauri | Vortux: especially as we got older (we barely look like siblings, let alone twins, not that we should look any more alike than any other pair of siblings) |
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| 07:09.52 | Vortux | HI MARCUSU!!! |
| 07:10.00 | Vortux | who are you? |
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| 07:10.20 | marcusU | Who am I? |
| 07:10.31 | Vortux | who am you? indeed |
| 07:10.58 | lauri | that'd be a trick |
| 07:11.10 | Vortux | ?? |
| 07:11.14 | marcusU | Do I know you, Vortux ? |
| 07:11.15 | Vortux | was ist das? |
| 07:11.38 | lauri | (my brothers name is Jamie) |
| 07:11.42 | Vortux | marcusU: sure, since yesterday night, dont you remember? im the one you called "goat-licker" |
| 07:12.00 | lauri | yeah, I can see why he'd make a special effort to remember you for that |
| 07:12.10 | Vortux | lol |
| 07:12.33 | marcusU | I do not recall that, but I generally have poor recall of events close to my bedtime (anterograde amnesia). |
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| 07:12.52 | Vortux | or alzheimers. |
| 07:13.01 | Vortux | or because it never happened. |
| 07:13.15 | marcusU | That's what I said that it did not recall that. |
| 07:14.19 | marcusU | One of the meds I take for sleep can affect memories after it's taken. |
| 07:15.52 | mobtek | marcusU: tried warm milk? |
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| 07:16.13 | marcusU | No, but I've tried Seroquel, Ambien, Xanax, and Klonopin. |
| 07:16.25 | marcusU | Actually, I have tried warm milk, but it does not help. |
| 07:18.55 | marcusU | Is there any way to eliminate things like Mode change "+tnl 100" on channel #468=1 by irc04.whatever.com in Kopete? |
| 07:19.36 | lauri | that's a good question, that'd be really annoying |
| 07:20.49 | marcusU | Actually, I said Kopete. I meant KSirc. |
| 07:27.49 | marcusU | I wish that the KDE handbooks had indices. I would think the text-tools used to process them would make it easy to create indexes. |
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| 07:29.13 | dwango | marcusU, try X-chat =) |
| 07:29.23 | marcusU | I like KSirc. |
| 07:29.55 | marcusU | Except for that annoyance, which is only a problem in one place. |
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| 07:31.20 | gimper | lippel: hy |
| 07:31.51 | lippel | ahoj gimper |
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| 07:33.38 | gimper | lippel: :)) |
| 07:33.43 | marcusU | Huh? |
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| 07:53.52 | mobtek | marcusU: heh |
| 07:55.56 | marcusU | mobtek: What? |
| 07:57.12 | mobtek | what you had tried to sleep :) |
| 07:57.29 | mobtek | I would suggest a valerian tonic but valerian is habit forming too |
| 07:58.30 | marcusU | mobtek: The jury is still out on Ambien's dependence liability. Some related drugs work just as well after 6 months as they do on the first night. |
| 08:00.01 | mobtek | yuppers |
| 08:00.36 | marcusU | Right now, Ambien isn't working that great for me. |
| 08:01.36 | marcusU | I'm waiting for eszopiclone to become available here. |
| 08:04.51 | mobtek | heh |
| 08:05.25 | mobtek | ok off to film group |
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| 09:16.31 | ImNotMark | something odd just happend to kde, when i try to open a folder on my desktop it tries to open in mplayer instead of konqueror |
| 09:18.34 | grepper | check the settings for filetype inode/directory |
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| 09:20.19 | Mafteah | someone knows where and what makes kde to enable numlock at startup? |
| 09:20.49 | Noldo | it's in the control center somewhere :) |
| 09:20.51 | PhilRod | control center->peripherals->keyboard |
| 09:22.23 | Mafteah | what should i compile to have it? |
| 09:23.54 | Mafteah | kde-base/khotkeys? |
| 09:25.20 | PhilRod | ask in #gentoo |
| 09:25.41 | PhilRod | you don't want to hear my opinion about gentoo's splitting of the ebuilds |
| 09:26.57 | ImNotMark | how would i go about resetting the kde desktop setting all to default, everything i try isnt changing how filetypes open |
| 09:27.20 | Mafteah | rm -rf ~/.kde* ? |
| 09:28.50 | PhilRod | don't do that |
| 09:29.16 | PhilRod | for problems with filetypes, mv ~/.kde/share/mimelnk somewhere else |
| 09:29.26 | PhilRod | if that doesn't fix it, move mimelnk back |
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| 09:31.19 | ImNotMark | that didnt work |
| 09:32.11 | PhilRod | did you restart KDE after mv'ing mimelnk? |
| 09:32.15 | ImNotMark | yep |
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| 09:36.04 | ImNotMark | i got it, i just moved the whole kde/share dir |
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| 09:38.36 | PhilRod | you should try to narrow it down a bit more, since .kde/share contains all your config files and app data |
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| 09:39.09 | PhilRod | (at least, move share/config and share/apps back and see if it works |
| 09:39.24 | ImNotMark | PhilRod id rather start all over anyway, kinda experimenting with kde |
| 09:39.44 | PhilRod | ok |
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| 09:40.15 | PhilRod | if you'd been using KDE for a while, you'd have a lot of stuff in there, which is a pain to replace :-) |
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| 09:40.26 | ImNotMark | yeah |
| 09:40.41 | ImNotMark | i just compiled it about 3 days ago and only been at the PC for like an hour |
| 09:40.54 | ImNotMark | no biggie to me |
| 09:41.14 | PhilRod | ImNotMark: some highlights: dcop and kdcop, ksystraycmd and kstart, and integration between kopete, kaddressbook and kmail |
| 09:41.22 | PhilRod | what version do you have? |
| 09:41.28 | ImNotMark | 3.3.2 |
| 09:41.48 | PhilRod | ah, then you won't have the new userguide - take a look at it online here: |
| 09:41.50 | PhilRod | apt: ug |
| 09:41.51 | apt | ug is, like, http://people.fruitsalad.org/phil/kde/userguide-tng |
| 09:42.11 | PhilRod | your timing was a little unfortunate - 3.4 is out in a week or two :-) |
| 09:42.22 | ImNotMark | ive had 3.4 |
| 09:42.36 | ImNotMark | but i hate dealing with masked packages in gentoo |
| 09:42.59 | PhilRod | hrmph, I'll hold my tongue about gentoo and the way it's dealt with KDE packages |
| 09:43.16 | PhilRod | (but suffice to say that I think it was a Bad Idea) |
| 09:43.46 | ImNotMark | once kde 3.4 is out in stable ill just upgrade |
| 09:45.02 | kolla | I upgraded from beta2 to rc1, and the menu panel applet vanished..hum |
| 09:45.30 | PhilRod | kolla: tried with a new user? |
| 09:45.43 | PhilRod | lecture time, bll |
| 09:45.45 | PhilRod | bbl* |
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| 10:32.20 | skip_ | how do I get the klaptop applet on the panel? |
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| 10:49.15 | skip_ | help please...how do I get the Klaptop applet on the panel? |
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| 10:55.23 | Noldo | right click on panel, add->applet-> |
| 10:55.43 | ods15 | is it possible in KMail to reply WITH the attachment as plain text?... |
| 10:55.59 | ods15 | ie, if someone sent me a text attachment, in a reply, it would be there, with the '> ' |
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| 11:09.22 | skip_ | help please: how do I get the KLaptop applet to appear on the panel? |
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| 11:13.47 | yairgo | anyone in here? |
| 11:13.55 | skip_ | yairgo: yes |
| 11:14.01 | yairgo | you good with kde? |
| 11:14.11 | skip_ | do you know how to show the KLaptop applet on the panel? |
| 11:14.16 | skip_ | no, not very good at all |
| 11:14.19 | yairgo | :( |
| 11:14.22 | yairgo | no i do not |
| 11:14.31 | yairgo | im trying to figure out how to make it so i can resize my desktop |
| 11:14.36 | yairgo | this stuff is too big |
| 11:14.41 | yairgo | i need 1280x something |
| 11:15.42 | skip_ | you need to edit XF86Config, I think |
| 11:15.51 | yairgo | to what though |
| 11:16.24 | skip_ | or you can run xf86config and it may detect what sizes are available for your monitor |
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| 11:16.33 | ods15 | yairgo: play with /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 , you'll figure it out |
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| 11:19.03 | yairgo | ods15 how do i resync it or do i have to restart? |
| 11:20.35 | ods15 | yairgo: you restart X |
| 11:20.53 | yairgo | thanks |
| 11:22.58 | Ambient | or xorg.conf |
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| 11:25.53 | yairgo | ods15: would i just have to change the resolution there or do i have to change something else in there? |
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| 11:28.02 | angystardust | 1,1 |
| 11:29.07 | yairgo | :( all i want is to change my resolution lol |
| 11:29.07 | ods15 | yairgo: umm, just there |
| 11:29.19 | yairgo | i restarted my comp and nothing changed |
| 11:29.27 | ods15 | no need for that |
| 11:29.30 | ods15 | just restart x |
| 11:29.32 | ods15 | anyway bye |
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| 11:29.38 | yairgo | thx |
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| 11:45.50 | glenna | anyone know why my icons do not stay in the place i put them on desktop |
| 11:46.13 | glenna | im using kde 3.4 |
| 11:46.18 | glenna | beta 2 |
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| 12:04.36 | kolla | that's a general problem.. wish there was some way to save location of icons, like on old desktop systems |
| 12:05.54 | kolla | also wish clicking on a directory icon didnt open a full fledge konqueror, but rather a tiny and fast filebrowser window |
| 12:06.50 | kolla | but I guess anyone who want something that is different than windows, is out of luck :) |
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| 12:14.21 | kolla | Geert: which Geert is you? :) |
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| 12:16.56 | kolla | ok, a different |
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| 12:37.43 | ^JM^ | i just installed KDE 3.4 RC 1, now to keep it updated, i download from cvs HEAD or what other? |
| 12:41.30 | ponto | you can make cvs update -Pd in each directory. |
| 12:43.16 | ^JM^ | i downloaded the source, not cvs |
| 12:43.28 | ^JM^ | now im asking what should i download |
| 12:43.41 | ponto | you can do this in the downloaded source |
| 12:43.46 | ^JM^ | HEAD or a tag? |
| 12:44.46 | ponto | i don't know, maybe #kde-devel can help you |
| 12:45.23 | ^JM^ | lol |
| 12:47.00 | Elsidox | whats a easy to use linux distro with the newest kde and up to date software? |
| 12:47.16 | Elsidox | or it that only a dream of mines? |
| 12:47.49 | ponto | what about suse or mandrake. |
| 12:47.55 | Elsidox | im on suse |
| 12:48.00 | Elsidox | and the packages are outdated |
| 12:48.05 | Elsidox | gaim 0.82 |
| 12:48.15 | Elsidox | and thats after i ran online update |
| 12:48.17 | ponto | maybe you use not the best sources |
| 12:48.24 | ponto | do you have packman configured? |
| 12:48.35 | Elsidox | packman? |
| 12:49.17 | Elsidox | you mean added to my yast config? |
| 12:49.43 | ponto | http://packman.links2linux.de/ |
| 12:50.09 | ponto | there are also other sources for new suse packages |
| 12:50.26 | Elsidox | meh this doesnt solve dependecy isues |
| 12:51.20 | ponto | Elsidox: guru also has gaim 1.1.4 |
| 12:51.24 | Elsidox | ya... |
| 12:51.27 | ponto | Elsidox: http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ |
| 12:51.30 | Elsidox | but than i have to downlaod all the rpms |
| 12:51.31 | Elsidox | one by one |
| 12:51.52 | ponto | Elsidox: no, this is done by yast or apt |
| 12:52.08 | Elsidox | I added it to my yast |
| 12:52.10 | Elsidox | guru |
| 12:52.17 | Elsidox | and it still ahs dpenecy sissues |
| 12:52.18 | ponto | Elsidox: yast is able to solve dependencies AFAIK |
| 12:52.18 | Elsidox | anyways |
| 12:52.22 | Elsidox | i gotta go to school |
| 12:52.25 | Elsidox | txh for ur time |
| 12:52.25 | Elsidox | peace |
| 13:02.09 | chew | is KDE 3.4 RC 1 stable enough to install? |
| 13:03.56 | kolla | sure |
| 13:05.39 | chew | do you know where i can find some slackware packages? |
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| 13:12.58 | xiando_ | chew: Not for work, but good enough for home |
| 13:13.10 | xiando_ | I would not throw it into a production environment. |
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| 13:32.07 | ImNotMark | anyone know a good place for kde 3.3.2 themes/styles besides kde-look.org, cant seem to find a nice dark theme for one there |
| 13:32.11 | kolla | xiando_: not for work? |
| 13:32.19 | kolla | I only use kde for work :P |
| 13:32.34 | kolla | work happens inside terminals anyways :) |
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| 13:35.53 | Celestar | I use KDE for home AND work :) |
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| 13:42.00 | StarScreem | i use work and home for kde |
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| 13:57.03 | ataxic | is there a to have 'kdevelop assitent' docked in Kate? |
| 13:57.17 | ataxic | a way |
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| 14:06.00 | Oleg_ | wow! we've got a new faq! |
| 14:06.30 | Oleg_ | why did konqueror change the way it shows downloads? |
| 14:06.54 | Oleg_ | It doesn't show how much is still left to be downloaded |
| 14:09.34 | Oleg_ | by the way, I noticed one SEXY change in the version 3.4. The only way we can change the size of the panel is to go into Configure Panel |
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| 14:10.13 | Oleg_ | before kde 3.4 we had Size option too when we right-clicked |
| 14:10.21 | Oleg_ | this is one SEXY change! |
| 14:11.19 | Trevelyan | the size entry has been in kickers right click menu for a long time, i thnk even before v3 |
| 14:14.05 | kolla | Oleg_: I agree in your sarcasm |
| 14:14.21 | kolla | Trevelyan: it's gone now |
| 14:15.35 | Trevelyan | oh i not seen 3.4, and was wondering how Oleg_ was so excited about it. it being removed and Oleg_ being sarcastic explains a lot |
| 14:15.45 | kolla | I've been thinking about delivering bug reports for 3.4 since beta1, but I never get around to doing it |
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| 14:16.51 | kolla | and now one of my main issues is impossible for me to implement, since the menu panel applet is missing |
| 14:17.01 | kolla | impossible to recreate |
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| 14:17.42 | frerich | hi all |
| 14:18.13 | Celestar | where can I find a list with what phones/pdas I can sync kontact with? |
| 14:18.20 | SteamedPenguin | Trevelyan: I think Oleg refers to /only/ being able to change panel size via right click |
| 14:18.59 | kolla | SteamedPenguin: that was never the case, now it is never via right click |
| 14:19.16 | frerich | Celestar: I'd have a look at help:/kpilot |
| 14:19.20 | kolla | it was always either via menu or kcontrol, now it is only kcontrol |
| 14:19.44 | SteamedPenguin | kolla: right click > configure panel |
| 14:20.19 | SteamedPenguin | kolla: one used to be able to resize panels with the mouse. not that I miss that feature. |
| 14:20.29 | Celestar | frerich lets see:) |
| 14:20.41 | kolla | SteamedPenguin: I miss it |
| 14:21.02 | SteamedPenguin | kolla: people miss the weirdest shit. |
| 14:21.25 | kolla | well, I dont miss being able to resize with mouse.. what I miss is the tiny menu entry "size" |
| 14:21.56 | kolla | now I have to go through that slow and tedious kcontrol :) |
| 14:22.01 | Celestar | hmm |
| 14:22.07 | Celestar | kpilot seems palm-only? |
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| 14:23.45 | woodefec | hello |
| 14:24.07 | woodefec | anyone aware how to enlarge subtitles in caffeine |
| 14:24.12 | woodefec | - cant find nuthin |
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| 14:26.08 | wuninstall | Someone can unban me? |
| 14:26.20 | Celestar | ? |
| 14:26.23 | Celestar | unban? |
| 14:26.43 | wuninstall | lauri, ??? |
| 14:27.20 | wuninstall | lauri You have banned me? Why? |
| 14:27.37 | woodefec | i have found it - xine expert options |
| 14:27.40 | woodefec | thx |
| 14:27.41 | woodefec | cya |
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| 14:30.38 | anhi | what would i have to do if i wanted to start a file (e.g. .html) from the console (via ssh) on a remote box running xorg+kde to be started (on the remote box) with the correct tool? |
| 14:32.14 | frerich | anhi: Use 'kfmclient exec <url>' |
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| 14:34.38 | wuninstall | Someone can unban me? |
| 14:34.47 | kolla | hm, is there a way to load a certain kicker applet from the console? |
| 14:36.02 | anhi | frerich: html was an example, it should work on all filetypes |
| 14:37.59 | kolla | bah.. menuapplet.desktop had "hidden=true" in it |
| 14:38.04 | kolla | no wonder it was gone |
| 14:38.09 | frerich | anhi: It works with pictures (for example) as well here |
| 14:38.28 | Celestar | hm |
| 14:38.54 | Celestar | can I sync kontact with, say, a Nokia 6230? |
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| 14:45.57 | edulix | hi ! |
| 14:46.26 | edulix | there's any key shortcut to change from view to view in split view (kate, konqueror..) |
| 14:46.27 | edulix | ? |
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| 14:47.29 | edulix | it belive it should have an <alt>-<tab>-like interface - very useful for coding in kate |
| 14:48.43 | dwango | whats the cvs view package called again? |
| 14:48.47 | kolla | I see.. the menuapplet is disabled now |
| 14:48.52 | dwango | ceversci or something |
| 14:49.03 | kolla | well, I guess that means that someone knows that it is buggy :) |
| 14:51.44 | edulix | if I want to report a wish report about the split view, where should I put it in ? because both konqueror and kate have split view, and maybe more |
| 14:52.06 | edulix | I think kdevelop got support for it but I'm not sure |
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| 14:52.25 | nutshell42 | dwango: cervisia i think |
| 14:53.31 | dwango | that's it, thanks |
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| 15:13.52 | W1ndstoss | I can't get german spellchecking to work.. although I've selected Ispell/german english is used |
| 15:14.17 | W1ndstoss | maybe because LANG is set to en_GB.ISO-8859-1? |
| 15:16.20 | Oleg_ | people, what's wrong with kopete? Why can't some people see messages I send them and other people can? |
| 15:17.17 | kolla | what kind of messages? |
| 15:17.52 | Oleg_ | let me see if I can change encoding in kopete |
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| 15:32.33 | Celestar | Is there a list of compatible mobile phones for kandy? |
| 15:33.38 | ldb | anyone know what could cause this |
| 15:33.41 | ldb | konqueror: symbol lookup error: /home/ldb/kde3.4/lib/libkdeui.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN12QProgressBarD2Ev |
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| 16:09.25 | wftl | Hello all. I can't restart Kontact/KOrganizer after an application crash. I tried to add another calendar through the Import function and that's what caused the crash. Removed KOrgac, KOrganizer, and Kontact's rc files in the config dir, but I still can't restart Kontact. It crashes every time. |
| 16:09.41 | Celestar | someone's obviously trying to hack me |
| 16:09.44 | wftl | This is KDE 3.4 RC1. Anyone else run into this. Filling out a bug report now. |
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| 16:19.23 | SuN | Hi -- my Gaim (GTK) window doesn't pop up when I receive a message, while it did in KDE 3.2 (using 3.3 now), is there a setting to enable it, or is it a bug? |
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| 16:21.19 | Celeuni|off | ich gehjetzt ins TRaining |
| 16:22.00 | PhilRod | SuN: look for 'focus stealing prevention' in control center |
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| 16:24.32 | SuN | Ah, found it... now to wait for someone to message me so I can find out if it works :P |
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| 16:24.55 | SuN | Thanks for pointing it out anyway :) |
| 16:27.06 | SuN | Ahh, it worked. |
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| 16:48.33 | Roey | I'm so happy that the 'improved' new-tab functionality has been rolled back in CVS. |
| 16:48.43 | vlad | does anyone know what config file the fonts specified in the control center are stored in? |
| 16:49.21 | vlad | basically, i want to go back to the default values, which i imagine should be somewhere in a .kde.backup folder i made |
| 16:49.36 | Trevelyan | some wher in ~/.kde/share/config |
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| 16:49.46 | gimper | hy people |
| 16:49.53 | vlad | yeah, that's where i'm looking, thanks |
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| 16:50.51 | Roey | anyone here feel that the Firefox project is getting too big for its britches (considering the marketing tie-ins to Google) |
| 16:51.03 | alexissoft | hi |
| 16:51.26 | Roey | hi |
| 16:51.44 | Trevelyan | no |
| 16:52.39 | SadEagle | Roey: getting? ;-) |
| 16:52.52 | Roey | SadEagle: IS? |
| 16:52.54 | Roey | SadEagle: is already? |
| 16:53.20 | SadEagle | Roey: well, Mozilla people always think they are the web standards. |
| 16:53.26 | Roey | right. |
| 16:53.33 | Roey | SadEagle: well do they? |
| 16:53.41 | Roey | SadEagle: they just spout off about how IE is not compliant. |
| 16:53.52 | SadEagle | they implement them, and many of them write them. |
| 16:54.00 | Roey | I see. |
| 16:54.02 | Roey | so does MS. |
| 16:54.05 | Roey | they do the same thing. |
| 16:54.18 | SadEagle | then when someone asks on a list like www-style, they say that proper rendering is what mozilla does, regardless of what the spec actually says ;-) |
| 16:54.28 | Roey | HA |
| 16:54.30 | Roey | oh man :( |
| 16:55.08 | SadEagle | well, I am exaggerating, really. But it's just that the same people write a lot of that stuff and mozilla, and I think they forget that their intent != the written text |
| 16:55.42 | Roey | ok. |
| 16:56.09 | Roey | SadEagle: do you think we're approaching a turning point in mozilla's development where some of the coders will be rejecting Google's sponsorship? |
| 16:56.26 | SadEagle | Roey: why do you think some will? |
| 16:56.29 | Roey | SadEagle: that is, Google will probably try to put in google-specific features |
| 16:56.44 | Roey | SadEagle: or Google may perhaps try to change the Web standards to accomodate itself. |
| 16:56.44 | SadEagle | and how is google worse than AOL-TimeWarner? |
| 16:56.51 | Roey | SadEagle: I'm saying it's all the sames |
| 16:56.52 | Roey | *same |
| 16:57.00 | Roey | big companies are interested in profits, |
| 16:57.41 | Roey | and if they can sucke^Wbuy a few Project leads into supporting them, then it is all for the better. |
| 16:58.00 | Roey | (at least, from Google's POV( |
| 16:58.04 | Roey | ) |
| 16:58.29 | SadEagle | I don't see why they need that. I bet it's just extra insurance against MS |
| 16:58.51 | Roey | need what? |
| 16:58.57 | Roey | google needing to buy off mozilla? |
| 16:58.57 | Oleg_ | can I someone create a game for KDE similar to Quake? |
| 16:59.16 | Roey | Oleg_: perhaps a wrapper around quake that integrates with KDE, you mean? |
| 16:59.29 | SadEagle | Roey: they have more power than even microsoft, in some way. |
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| 17:00.06 | Oleg_ | maybe |
| 17:03.47 | Roey | hi Alethes |
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| 17:13.06 | the_bender | where do i go to change the look of my kde menu? |
| 17:13.16 | the_bender | i want to change the kde image with a colour |
| 17:13.35 | Trevelyan | kcontorl (kde control center) |
| 17:13.52 | the_bender | i've been looking... |
| 17:14.03 | gimper | bad |
| 17:15.07 | Trevelyan | appearance & themes -> colours |
| 17:15.23 | Trevelyan | click something in preview and change its colour, then click apply |
| 17:15.35 | the_bender | http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=18223&file1=18223-1.png&file2=18223-2.png&file3=18223-3.png&name=Lipstik |
| 17:15.36 | gimper | KDE sux; fluxbox rulez |
| 17:15.54 | the_bender | in that picture, the left side of the menu is blue instead of the kde graphic |
| 17:15.57 | the_bender | thats what i want |
| 17:16.24 | Trevelyan | you mean the "kde 3.3" one in the k menu? |
| 17:16.37 | the_bender | yeah |
| 17:16.51 | the_bender | thats the one |
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| 17:17.10 | Trevelyan | you have to play with the config files manually to get at that one. ~/.kde/share/config somewhere |
| 17:17.16 | the_bender | ah |
| 17:17.18 | the_bender | okay |
| 17:17.31 | the_bender | thanks |
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| 17:18.49 | Cerulean | gimper: sux? |
| 17:19.08 | Cerulean | gimper: As in that version of su that works with X programs? |
| 17:20.04 | grivell | gimper: Yeah I like fluxbox, but it needs more cow bell |
| 17:20.29 | grivell | Cerulean: lol, yeah 'sux' is cool ;) |
| 17:21.01 | gimper | Celestar: yes |
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| 17:22.39 | Cerulean | gimper: Why are you here if you're of that opinion...? o_0 |
| 17:23.21 | gimper | Celestar: i don't understad |
| 17:25.02 | grivell | Cerulean: Kwin vs fluxbox. That is what he means. I half agree :) |
| 17:25.20 | Cerulean | grivell: If that's what he meant then why didn't he say it? |
| 17:26.33 | grivell | No idea. I just want more cowbell. Once kwin gets tabbed windows, it is done deal. fluxbox's only good feature. (Well, that and it is good for ancient systems) |
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| 17:31.54 | oneforall | hey in init 4 login screen how do i get the last login name not to be there but do the login name and password ? |
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| 17:32.42 | oneforall | I find the part to not have the left list of user names to click on but not to get rid of that |
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| 17:34.12 | devurandom | Hi! |
| 17:34.42 | devurandom | I want to use knotify without arts. Is that possible? (I tried but had no success.) |
| 17:35.23 | SadEagle | oneforall: see the convenience tab, the Preselect user thing |
| 17:35.23 | oneforall | that one thing I don't like at all is arts |
| 17:35.47 | grivell | devurandom: Yes it is. |
| 17:35.56 | grivell | devurandom: 1 sec |
| 17:36.27 | devurandom | grivell: How? I uninstalled arts (on Gentoo), enabled alsaplayer in kcm_knotify, but still have no sound... |
| 17:36.35 | oneforall | SadEagle in sytem admin>login manager ? |
| 17:36.43 | grivell | devurandom: Control Center -> System Notifications -> Player Settings. |
| 17:36.45 | SadEagle | yeah |
| 17:37.05 | devurandom | Yes... That is where I set up alsaplayer... |
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| 17:37.14 | devurandom | And afterwards? |
| 17:37.33 | grivell | oneforall: Then don't use arts :) Use Alsa+dmix, and Gstreamer (amarok, juk) |
| 17:37.41 | oneforall | yeah thats on none |
| 17:37.51 | oneforall | grivell I do :) |
| 17:38.05 | devurandom | (Use external player: /usr/bin/alsaplayer is currently set.) |
| 17:38.18 | grivell | devurandom: Not sure, I don't like sys events ;) |
| 17:38.27 | Frost^ | is there a way to make konqueror keep file download dialogues open by default (kde 3.4rc1)? |
| 17:38.59 | oneforall | whats weird it I had to test something so I backed up .asoundrc and xmms played but mplayer didn't and I stuck it back and it does but now I forget what else I did besides making that .asoundrc |
| 17:39.35 | devurandom | oneforall: Do you talk about dmix? |
| 17:40.04 | oneforall | yeah I have that setup in .asoundrc torun more than one device at a time :0 |
| 17:40.23 | oneforall | devurandom oh no my question was anbout login :) |
| 17:40.46 | oneforall | SadEagle so you mean in there put it on none ? |
| 17:40.55 | devurandom | Do you use a nForce2 ? I have a .asoundrc working for that piece of hardware. |
| 17:42.05 | oneforall | na it onboard piece of crap but it works . no pcm volume thou :( |
| 17:42.32 | oneforall | 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 17:43.31 | oneforall | one of these days when I finish workin on my boys computer I want to get back to try to do the fake midi |
| 17:44.14 | oneforall | so kguitar app and one for drums with work with no keyboard |
| 17:44.27 | oneforall | with/will |
| 17:44.50 | oneforall | damn I forgot to run distcc on the 350mhz :( |
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| 18:01.09 | anisX | heya people |
| 18:01.13 | anisX | greetings =)) |
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| 18:05.25 | PieD | hi |
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| 18:08.28 | oneforall | SadEagle so you mean set it to none ? running kde 3.3.2 and it isset to none but logout and the user name is stilll there |
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| 18:15.02 | M-ThijZ | Where can I change the syntax of the Konsole? If I start a shell it shows 'bash-3.00$' but a new Konsole prints '[user]@[host]$' I'ld like to replace the shell with it, but I can't find the right option. |
| 18:16.53 | Cerulean | M-ThijZ: Set the PS1 env var to what you want the prompt to be like in your ~/.bashrc |
| 18:17.05 | M-ThijZ | Oh I see, it's the konsole -ls option. |
| 18:17.48 | Cerulean | Oh.. |
| 18:18.05 | M-ThijZ | Well, when I run konsole -ls it displays it in the way I like it. But when I change it in the .bashrc it will be that way for all terminals? Even without KDE? |
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| 18:19.26 | M-ThijZ | It's just that I have this 'special button' called terminalsessions added to the taskbar. And when I launch a shell from it, it shows it the 'bash-3.00&' way. |
| 18:21.51 | M-ThijZ | Thanks Cerulean, I'll google something about the PS1 syntax, though PS1='C:\>' seems nice ;-) |
| 18:22.00 | Cerulean | M-ThijZ: ;) |
| 18:22.12 | Cerulean | There are some nice examples - adding color is nice too |
| 18:22.52 | Cerulean | What KDE application can import HTML and convert to PDF? |
| 18:23.06 | paztulio | how to run a shell in the desktop/root window ? |
| 18:24.30 | M-ThijZ | HTML to PDF? I don't know. If OO.o could import HTML maybe it's a way. Or look at some FireFox extension. |
| 18:25.09 | sarah03 | Cerulean: Uh, Konqueror. |
| 18:25.29 | sarah03 | Cerulean: Open your HTML file, go file->print, choose "Print to File (PDF)" as the printer. |
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| 18:27.44 | Cerulean | Oh, okay then |
| 18:27.49 | Cerulean | sarah03: thanks |
| 18:29.00 | M-ThijZ | paztulio: you mean a shell on the desktop doing some syslog tailing or what? |
| 18:29.33 | paztulio | yes, but interactive would be nice, too |
| 18:30.20 | M-ThijZ | You could use a borderless, transperant shell. |
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| 18:30.33 | paztulio | thx |
| 18:30.42 | M-ThijZ | But I wonder if there is a neat way for that. |
| 18:33.19 | Cerulean | paztulio: SuperKaramba? |
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| 18:34.17 | paztulio | Cerulean: which skin do i need |
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| 18:35.09 | Cerulean | paztulio: You don't - it's a one (or two) liner to make a theme that runs a certain command at a certain interval and displays the output |
| 18:35.14 | M-ThijZ | paztulio: you should take a look at the program called root-tail |
| 18:36.10 | paztulio | thx |
| 18:36.12 | M-ThijZ | http://images.google.nl/images?q=root-tail |
| 18:36.22 | M-ThijZ | I think that's what you want, isn't it? |
| 18:38.34 | paztulio | hmm, not exactly, i also want to use the shell interactively. Im about to figure out if a cutomized konsole works for me |
| 18:39.53 | Cerulean | paztulio: A konsole with --noborder still has a little border |
| 18:40.21 | Cerulean | Well, not so much a border as a 'defined edge' |
| 18:40.29 | paztulio | ive just seen, but 2px is ok |
| 18:41.01 | M-ThijZ | You should use aterm/xterm then. |
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| 18:42.37 | Ph0nK | kind of a strange question, might not be directly KDE related |
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| 18:42.50 | Ph0nK | a friend of mine has a laptop that runs at 1280x800 (widescreen) |
| 18:42.59 | Ph0nK | and everything in KDE (it's the desktop he uses) seems "big" |
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| 18:43.14 | Ph0nK | like he can easily read a 4pt font, which should be too small to read |
| 18:43.20 | maxo | does KDE install a file called 'xdmctl' ? |
| 18:43.31 | kolla | Ph0nK: 100DPI fonts? |
| 18:43.44 | Ph0nK | kolla: he's using TTF fonts as far as I know |
| 18:43.59 | Ph0nK | kolla: but even things like the Plastik window border is huge |
| 18:44.19 | maxo | because I've just found a folder on my system called '/it.be-available availQ' and inside it is a file called 'xdmctl' which is actually a 'pipe' file (what is that?) and there's also a 'socket' file?? |
| 18:44.20 | kolla | heh, are you sure that it's really running in 1280x800? :) |
| 18:44.41 | kolla | it's not 800x600 streched out by the gfx chip? :) |
| 18:44.46 | Ph0nK | kolla: yeah |
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| 18:45.05 | Buggaboo | hello |
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| 18:45.21 | kolla | Ph0nK: then I dont know :) |
| 18:45.28 | Buggaboo | what's that proggie again that locates new software and adds it to the taskbar? |
| 18:45.37 | paztulio | kappfinder |
| 18:45.49 | Buggaboo | aah. I keep bloody forgetting the name :) |
| 18:45.50 | Buggaboo | thanks. |
| 18:46.12 | Buggaboo | hm, it won't find openoffice. |
| 18:46.15 | Buggaboo | too bad. |
| 18:46.46 | maxo | what's a |
| 18:46.46 | maxo | pipe file? |
| 18:48.01 | Cerulean | maxo: A named pipe? |
| 18:48.13 | Cerulean | %google named pipe |
| 18:48.14 | Pyre | Introduction to Named Pipes | Linux Journal -- http://www2.linuxjournal.com/article/2156 |
| 18:48.27 | maxo | ok got it |
| 18:48.38 | kolla | mkpipe blurb ; mplayer blurb & cat blarb.avi > blurb |
| 18:48.54 | Ph0nK | kolla: yeah, he's running at 1280x800 |
| 18:49.25 | kolla | I wish there was support for fixed size FIFO files in linux |
| 18:49.43 | Ph0nK | Any other ideas? |
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| 18:49.59 | sarah03 | Ph0nK: Er, it sounds like the DPI on the display is misconfigured. Measure the display in mm, stick that into the display section of your X config file |
| 18:50.10 | sarah03 | In a line "DisplaySize [x-mm] [y-mm]". |
| 18:50.25 | sarah03 | Pull out a ruler if you have to. :D |
| 18:51.07 | Ph0nK | sarah03: yeah, we tried that, and Xorg is reporting the correct size in Xorg.0.log without us specifying it manually. Think it'll help to do it anyway? |
| 18:51.38 | sarah03 | (**) FBDEV(0): Display dimensions: (330, 240) mm |
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| 18:51.43 | sarah03 | Like so? |
| 18:51.51 | Ph0nK | sarah03: yes |
| 18:51.55 | sarah03 | Hm. |
| 18:52.03 | Ph0nK | sarah03: strange eh |
| 18:52.22 | sarah03 | Because it really sounds like the DPI is wrong. |
| 18:52.42 | Ph0nK | sarah03: yeah, that's what we thought too |
| 18:52.59 | sarah03 | Especially if you can manage to read 4pt fonts [which should fit about 18 lines of in 1" of space]. |
| 18:53.07 | Ph0nK | sarah03: yeah |
| 18:53.24 | sarah03 | What's xdpyinfo have to say about the display DPI? |
| 18:53.57 | Ph0nK | one sec |
| 18:54.38 | Ph0nK | like he has to specify an 8pt font for window titles in order to not have wildly huge window title bars |
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| 18:55.41 | Ph0nK | sarah03: 125x127dpi on a 10.25" screen |
| 18:57.57 | sarah03 | If the display aspect ratio is what I think it is... it should be closer to 150dpi. |
| 18:59.19 | sarah03 | Which... you said widescreen, which suggests 16:9. |
| 18:59.30 | Ph0nK | yeah |
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| 19:00.18 | sarah03 | *nods* What I worked out here says that it should be 157dpi on the vertical and 143dpi on the horizontal. |
| 19:01.29 | Ph0nK | 1280 / 10.25 = ~125 though |
| 19:01.43 | sarah03 | Displays are measured across the diagonal. |
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| 19:02.05 | Ph0nK | oh I'm sorry, it's 10.25 inches across |
| 19:02.17 | Ph0nK | 12.1" diagonal |
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| 19:02.57 | sarah03 | ... Yeah, you said 10.25", so I used that as a diagonal and figured out the rest from there. :D |
| 19:03.04 | Ph0nK | Sorry :-( |
| 19:03.52 | rabauke | can somebody confirm that 3.4 RC1 the wrong window is kept on top when one opens www.n-tv.de using konqueror, then clicks on the "n-tv Livestream" item in the left menu (grey background) and makes that pop-up window stay on top, i.e. right-click the title-baar, chose advanced and always ob top. When you click on the main-window, the pop-up will go into the background and the the main window will stay on top. |
| 19:04.30 | sarah03 | Ok... so I see 124dpi. Hm. |
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| 19:05.01 | Ph0nK | rabauke: confirmed |
| 19:05.16 | rabauke | Ph0nK: Strange, is it not? |
| 19:05.26 | Ph0nK | rabauke: yes, not what I would expect |
| 19:05.50 | rabauke | component for reporting the bug would be kwin?= |
| 19:06.42 | Ph0nK | try this: |
| 19:06.50 | Ph0nK | are you using ksirc? |
| 19:06.53 | rabauke | no |
| 19:06.55 | rabauke | kopete |
| 19:06.59 | Ph0nK | ok |
| 19:07.00 | rabauke | if you meant me |
| 19:07.01 | Ph0nK | good enough |
| 19:07.02 | Ph0nK | yeah |
| 19:07.20 | Ph0nK | rabauke: do the same with the kopete window and the room window you have |
| 19:07.31 | Ph0nK | rabauke: set one to always on top |
| 19:07.43 | Ph0nK | rabauke: and you can put the other window over it, but not another application's window |
| 19:08.04 | rabauke | true |
| 19:08.18 | rabauke | is this supposed to be a feature? |
| 19:08.23 | Ph0nK | rabauke: don't know :) |
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| 19:11.31 | Ph0nK | rabauke: it's a bug I think |
| 19:12.26 | Ph0nK | rabauke: and I'd file it under kwin |
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| 19:13.52 | Roey | man... KDE needs something like Windows Firewall |
| 19:14.00 | Roey | something stupid and simple (yet powerful) |
| 19:14.05 | Roey | (and versatile) |
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| 19:14.58 | kolla | Roey: except KDE isnt an OS |
| 19:15.08 | kolla | and firewalls are for wimps anyways |
| 19:15.27 | Roey | kolla: but KDE has semblance of being able to configure it. |
| 19:15.40 | Roey | kolla: some front-end for iptables or fireHOL |
| 19:16.39 | kolla | Roey: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=10073 |
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| 19:17.50 | kolla | and there's also http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14791 |
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| 19:19.36 | Flendor | Good evening. |
| 19:20.10 | Roey | kolla: OMG |
| 19:20.12 | Roey | kolla: thanks so much |
| 19:20.36 | kolla | you're welcome :) |
| 19:21.42 | Roey | kolla: looks like FirewallBuilder is more recent |
| 19:22.22 | kolla | ok |
| 19:23.15 | Roey | is it? |
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| 19:24.27 | kolla | no idea, I dont use firewalls :) |
| 19:24.44 | kolla | I simply make sure that I dont run all kinds of daemons and services |
| 19:25.11 | VirUZI | could somebody check http://www.novasoftware.se/WebViewer/(xwyyjs45ru43mue2lpn2x555)/design1.aspx?schoolid=EN002&code=1929394832 in konqueror, it crashes when I click below the dropdown menus |
| 19:25.30 | Roey | ;) |
| 19:25.36 | VirUZI | sorry about the long url... :/ |
| 19:26.51 | _chavo | VirUZI, killed it here too. |
| 19:28.32 | VirUZI | _chavo: what version of kde are you running? I got a cvs snapshot somewhere between beta2 and rc1 |
| 19:28.57 | _chavo | VirUZI, I'm running cvs from about 2 days ago |
| 19:29.55 | VirUZI | ok, guess I'd better file a bugreport then... |
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| 19:51.02 | Dexter_F | are there no shortcuts for volume up/down in kaffeine? |
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| 19:52.29 | koruptid | okay... in KMail how do I associate certain Identities with certain SMTP addresses? |
| 19:54.47 | StevenR | in kdvi the fonts look really terrible. Is there any way i can fix this? fonts look great in all other apps. |
| 19:56.28 | PhilRod | StevenR: is it just 'cos it's not antialiasing them? |
| 19:56.47 | StevenR | PhilRod: no, they seem to be antialiased, just really, really ugly |
| 19:57.26 | StevenR | PhilRod: KDVI was not able to locate all the font files which are necessary to display the current DVI file. Your document might be unreadable. |
| 19:57.34 | StevenR | ^ got that message |
| 19:57.50 | PhilRod | hrm, I haven't used kdvi much |
| 19:58.06 | PhilRod | I suppose it uses the TeX font stuff, rather than the Qt stuff |
| 19:58.28 | StevenR | PhilRod: xdvi looks absolutely fine |
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| 19:59.14 | PhilRod | maybe you need to set some path to TeX fonts, but I'm not really familiar with the TeX font mechanism, sorry |
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| 20:05.07 | jones | evening |
| 20:05.28 | jones | i'm on Gentoo, I've just emerged KDE 2.4. But when I login thru KDM it still loads 3.3 |
| 20:05.32 | jones | any suggestions? |
| 20:05.39 | jones | any place where I could look in? |
| 20:06.05 | PieD | jones: you should start upgrading : kde 2.4 is quite outdated ! :p |
| 20:06.17 | sarah03 | 2.4? I didn't know that Gentoo provided ebuilds for the KDE 2 series. :D |
| 20:06.27 | lippel | afaik 2.4 never existed :P |
| 20:06.51 | jones | er sorry, typo: 3.4 of course |
| 20:07.42 | SteamedPenguin | jones: how did you emerge KDE 3.4 ? |
| 20:07.43 | illissius_ | jones: in kdm's menu thingy see what sessions there are, and select 3.4 if it's there |
| 20:07.53 | SteamedPenguin | jones: is it slotted |
| 20:08.14 | PieD | how can I get kcontrol3 (from kdenonbeta in cvs) ? |
| 20:08.18 | jones | I emerged 3.4 using the x86 keyword |
| 20:08.25 | PieD | I downloaded kcontrol3 folder |
| 20:08.43 | jones | illissius_, there's no 3.4 session available in kdm |
| 20:08.43 | PieD | but what do I need more ? |
| 20:08.56 | PieD | jones: ? Did you install KDE 3.3 AND KDE 3.4 ? |
| 20:09.14 | illissius_ | jones: then look around in /etc/X11/Sessions and edit stuff if necessary |
| 20:09.16 | lippel | jones: you could also create your own .xsession and use "custom" or whatever that's called in kdm |
| 20:09.22 | illissius_ | or just search the forums |
| 20:09.25 | jones | PieD, I had 3.3, emerging created a new branch in my filesystem |
| 20:09.46 | PieD | jones: silly behaviour... (I don't use gentoo) |
| 20:10.02 | jones | PieD, yes, I was astonished by tat, actually |
| 20:10.14 | SteamedPenguin | jones: emerging 3.4 should only create a new branch if you tell it to |
| 20:10.22 | jones | PieD, I have both 3.3/ and 3.4/ dirs in /usr/kde/ |
| 20:10.37 | sarah03 | Hm. I still have KDE 3.2.1 installed. |
| 20:10.45 | sarah03 | [And 3.3.1, and 3.4b2.] |
| 20:11.58 | illissius_ | jones: you could just get rid of 3.3, emerge unmerge =kdelibs-3.3.2 et al, and then rm -rf /usr/kde/3.3... it's what I used to do anyways, I take no responsibility if it does bad things 8) |
| 20:12.17 | jones | :) |
| 20:12.33 | jones | illissius_, i won't sue you, don't worry |
| 20:14.52 | lippel | actually, different branches coexist peacefully in gentoo... and removing 3.3 won't solve the kdm problem i guess |
| 20:15.18 | jones | I agree |
| 20:15.33 | lippel | the only problem are maybe apps like k3b which are installed to /usr instead /usr/kde/branch |
| 20:15.36 | jones | and because of the fact that i'm running 3.3 but updated most programs to 3.4, they don't work |
| 20:15.39 | jones | like kopete |
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| 20:18.21 | jones | mmm |
| 20:18.55 | jones | theres no "startkde" in /usr/kde/3.4/bin/ |
| 20:19.08 | jones | did it get renamed to kdeinit maybe? |
| 20:19.13 | jones | anybody knows? |
| 20:19.20 | _chavo | jones, no |
| 20:19.30 | _chavo | kdeinit is something else |
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| 20:19.52 | jones | so... what the heck? why isnt it ther? |
| 20:19.55 | jones | there* |
| 20:20.10 | jones | if anyone's running 3.4, could check if stardkde is in /usr/kde/3.4/bin ? |
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| 20:21.55 | PhilRod | jones: did you install the whole of kdebase? |
| 20:22.04 | jones | phanni, yes, I believe |
| 20:22.08 | jones | ops |
| 20:22.13 | jones | PhilRod, yes, I believe |
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| 20:25.51 | jones | ok i've traced my problem: i have no "startkde" in /usr/kde/3.4/bin |
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| 20:26.26 | lippel | jones: weird. which kde 3.4 modules are installed? |
| 20:26.34 | jones | lippel, how do I check? |
| 20:26.58 | lippel | hmm, world file? |
| 20:27.02 | jones | ok wait |
| 20:27.22 | mart_k | jones: etcat -v kdebase |
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| 20:28.29 | jones | http://jonesnet.homelinux.org/kde.txt |
| 20:28.41 | jones | mart_k, lippel : there |
| 20:29.26 | lippel | jones: it looks like kdebase 3.4 rc1 is missing |
| 20:29.31 | mart_k | jones: You have to unmask each package of KDE and then emerge it. |
| 20:29.42 | jones | mart_k, it's what I did |
| 20:30.07 | jones | as I tried to emerge it, it complained about more and more masked packages, so I unmasked them as long as it kept asking me, one by one |
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| 20:31.09 | mart_k | jones: Did you unmask kdebase-3.4.0-rc1? |
| 20:31.21 | PhilRod | is there a 'kde on gentoo' channel, because there probably should be one |
| 20:31.24 | jones | i think i unmasked the beta one |
| 20:31.27 | lippel | because of that i compile manually when using experimental stuff =) |
| 20:31.49 | PhilRod | and if not, we seem to have a few gentoo users here at the moment - anyone want to go off and start one? |
| 20:32.21 | jones | mart_k, i've checked: i didnt |
| 20:32.29 | jones | too bad |
| 20:33.28 | mart_k | jones: It is not only bad: you have discovered the source of the problem, so that you can solve it... |
| 20:33.50 | jones | indeed :) thanks a lot |
| 20:34.10 | dwango | PhilRod, what exceptional issues are there to require a specific channel? |
| 20:34.21 | mart_k | jones: np |
| 20:34.37 | PhilRod | dwango: the fact that gentoo split up the KDE packages very aggressively |
| 20:35.16 | PhilRod | dwango: and it seems to be popular (or error-prone), so there's a demand in that case |
| 20:35.37 | Roey | gentoo, error-prone? |
| 20:35.42 | Roey | (asking sincerely) |
| 20:36.14 | PhilRod | dunno, never used it, but there are quite a lot of people here with questions - either it's just very popular, or has lots of problems. I don't know which |
| 20:36.27 | PhilRod | s/people/gentoo users/ |
| 20:36.41 | Roey | ok |
| 20:36.50 | Roey | there's a #debian-kde, why not a #gentoo-kde |
| 20:36.52 | jones | well gentoo users are not used to kde, that's it |
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| 20:37.10 | dwango | hmm, i'm using kde in gentoo without any problems. |
| 20:37.29 | Roey | ;) |
| 20:37.32 | jones | i'm not saying it causes problems |
| 20:37.32 | Roey | jones: gentoo is gnome? |
| 20:37.35 | Roey | jones: or xfce? |
| 20:37.39 | jones | Roey, mostly wmaker :) |
| 20:37.44 | Roey | aaaah |
| 20:37.49 | Roey | right, right the Other White Meat. |
| 20:37.52 | lippel | no, CLI |
| 20:37.58 | Roey | ha |
| 20:38.05 | Julianyus | hi |
| 20:38.05 | dwango | gentoo is neutral |
| 20:38.22 | PhilRod | ok, I wasn't specifically saying that gentoo causes problems, but that when they happen, it's hard for a non-gentoo user to know what to do, since the gentoo packages are very different from official KDE ones |
| 20:38.40 | PhilRod | lauri wrote a good explanation: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=110806759516927&w=2 |
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| 20:39.48 | annma | dwango: what kde on gentoo do you use: stable or unstable? |
| 20:39.58 | dwango | 3.4 rc1 |
| 20:40.15 | annma | so unstable? |
| 20:40.24 | dwango | i suppose so =) |
| 20:40.54 | annma | hmmm |
| 20:42.56 | dwango | i didn't use split ebuilds though, I don't think |
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| 20:44.18 | StevenR | PhilRod: fixed it....fiddled with font settings and now it magically works....i guess the defaults were wrong for my X/KDE/font setups |
| 20:44.34 | PhilRod | StevenR: welcome to the black art of fonts :-) |
| 20:44.52 | PhilRod | (not that I know anything about fonts other than that they're a black art) |
| 20:45.44 | annma | dwango: ok - we're trying to understand gentoo better because lots of users have gentoo |
| 20:46.06 | dwango | I guess I used the "monolithic" ebuilds |
| 20:46.19 | dwango | I'm just reading up on it now (should have read up on it before!) |
| 20:48.49 | PhilRod | dwango: what do the gentoo KDE packagers recommend? the full packages, or the split ones? |
| 20:48.53 | annma | so you emerged kde base for example |
| 20:49.16 | dwango | PhilRod, they're recommending the split, and the monolithic will be discontinued with KDE4 |
| 20:49.43 | dwango | annma, correct. "emerge kde", or "emerge kdebase", "emerge kdelibs", etc. |
| 20:50.06 | annma | dwango: monolithic will be stopped? |
| 20:50.09 | annma | why? |
| 20:50.15 | dwango | I don't know. |
| 20:50.16 | annma | it seems to be OK for you |
| 20:50.21 | dwango | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kde-split-ebuilds.xml |
| 20:50.30 | annma | thanks, dwango |
| 20:50.36 | PhilRod | dwango: I'm not very familiar with the gentoo system - does that mean that you will/won't be able to "emerge kdebase" in kde 4? |
| 20:50.44 | dwango | annma, the split method is preferable, if it works correctly |
| 20:50.55 | annma | preferable? |
| 20:51.01 | annma | but why? |
| 20:51.15 | annma | when you compile kde from cvs you compile whole modules |
| 20:51.21 | annma | that's what we devels do |
| 20:51.43 | dwango | annma, from a user's point of view, I suppose. |
| 20:51.44 | PhilRod | splitting kdebase is a bad idea - the other packages, not so bad, provided all the deps are correct |
| 20:52.00 | annma | if we have modules it's for a good reason |
| 20:52.07 | annma | this reason is shared code |
| 20:52.12 | dwango | Philrod: It appears that you can still do "emerge kdebase-meta", which essentially does the same thing (or it should) |
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| 20:52.31 | dwango | It installs all of the split packages contained in kdebase |
| 20:52.34 | PhilRod | dwango: ok - as long as they recommend that method over installing small modules |
| 20:52.50 | annma | they don't, PhilRod |
| 20:52.55 | cilkay | Anyone do PyQt development here? |
| 20:52.58 | PhilRod | I mean, we have people here who've got a control center without important entries, which is just dumb |
| 20:53.00 | annma | they stress to use the split ones |
| 20:53.20 | annma | look at that |
| 20:53.26 | annma | "You care about compilation time. emerge kdebase kdepim kdenetwork takes far too long when what you really need is konqueror, kmail and kopete." |
| 20:53.28 | PhilRod | (for an inexperienced user, it's dumb - for a KDE devel or power-user, maybe less so) |
| 20:53.45 | annma | they say it's possible to emerge konq only!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:54.04 | dwango | annma, yeah, that stuff I'm uncomfortable with. |
| 20:54.05 | PhilRod | that's just guaranteed to come back and bite you in the butt |
| 20:54.11 | annma | cilkay: maybe you can try #kde-devel |
| 20:54.22 | cilkay | annma, thanks, I will. |
| 20:54.43 | annma | "You faithfully adhere to the Gentoo Way, and can't stand packages being bundled together and forced on the user." |
| 20:54.48 | annma | weeeeeee |
| 20:54.55 | annma | why choose Gentoo then? |
| 20:55.22 | PhilRod | whilst I think that's a fairly dumb idea, I don't mind what they do as long as KDE isn't expected to pick up the pieces |
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| 20:55.29 | annma | please note another annmatopoeia |
| 20:55.40 | annma | yes |
| 20:56.34 | PhilRod | it's also suboptimal because someone may get a bad experience of KDE because they don't have the full stuff installed |
| 20:57.11 | PhilRod | (eg, can you install kmail without kaddressbook, as that page seems to suggest - kmail sans addressbook == suckage) |
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| 20:57.57 | PhilRod | well, OK, an email client without an addressbook isn't that bad, but many other examples are possible |
| 20:58.29 | sarah03 | ... Konqueror without the HTTP kioslave, perhaps? |
| 20:58.30 | dwango | Well, as I understand it, Gentoo is supposed to be all about the users choices. So if they choose to mess everything up, that's their deal. |
| 20:58.49 | PhilRod | sarah03: tell me you can't do that, *please* tell me you can't... |
| 20:59.02 | sarah03 | PhilRod: I dunno. I've been building 3.4 from CVS. |
| 20:59.31 | dwango | Gentoo will let you "emerge --unmerge glibc" and ruin everything. |
| 20:59.45 | annma | dwango: yes but they take it badly when we say it's not KDE fault |
| 20:59.47 | sarah03 | Yeah, it will let you do that. |
| 20:59.54 | PhilRod | dwango: fair enough, although gentoo seems to have (more than?) its fair share of, erm, less experienced users |
| 21:00.12 | dwango | PhilRod, well, that does seem to be true. |
| 21:00.22 | dwango | Gentoo seems to attract the "ricers", if you will. |
| 21:00.27 | dwango | unfortunately. |
| 21:00.27 | annma | lol |
| 21:00.29 | StevenR | dwango: most distros will let you uninstall the glibc package |
| 21:00.31 | sarah03 | lol |
| 21:00.36 | PhilRod | dwango: but it says "every friggin' package on your system depends on it, don't uninstall it", right? |
| 21:00.48 | dwango | PhilRod, I don't believe so |
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| 21:00.58 | dwango | I'm not about to attempt it =) |
| 21:01.06 | StevenR | PhilRod: slackware would let me remove glibc. |
| 21:01.15 | PhilRod | but it does dependency checking when you uninstall things, surely? |
| 21:01.21 | StevenR | PhilRod: no warnings, it just allows it |
| 21:01.30 | sarah03 | PhilRod: From emerge(1): '--unmerge (-C): WARNING: This action can remove important packages! Removes all matching packages. This does no checking of dependencies..." |
| 21:01.46 | dwango | The "emerge --help" screen lists the --unmerge option with "WARNING: This action can remove important packages! " |
| 21:01.53 | StevenR | PhilRod: slackware package management doesn't have dep chacking |
| 21:01.57 | PhilRod | ok, so it's kinda like rpm --force --nodeps |
| 21:02.09 | PhilRod | StevenR: ok |
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| 21:02.23 | StevenR | PhilRod: no. Slackware is designed to work this way. I consider it a good feature |
| 21:02.38 | sarah03 | Anything using RPM would tell you to screw off if you tried uninstalling glibc. |
| 21:02.52 | PhilRod | StevenR: oh, the '--force --nodeps' was about --unmerge |
| 21:02.53 | dwango | Similarily, gentoo will let you specify all kinds of crazy "optimization" compiler flags to render a completely unstable system. |
| 21:03.07 | StevenR | PhilRod: ahh i c. |
| 21:03.13 | jones | depends on you |
| 21:03.23 | jones | i've been running this system for 2 years without any problem |
| 21:03.27 | PhilRod | dwango: heh, yeah - there was a guy on the kde mailing list asking "which CFLAGS should I use to compile KDE?" LOL |
| 21:03.29 | sarah03 | dwango: I'm suprised Gentoo hasn't patched gcc to add a '-frice' patch. ;) |
| 21:03.37 | sarah03 | s/patch/flag/ |
| 21:03.40 | dwango | sarah03: haha. =) |
| 21:04.09 | dwango | My CFLAGS consist of "-O2 -march=pentium4 -pipe" |
| 21:04.36 | dwango | but, wow, some people go crazy |
| 21:04.37 | sarah03 | *nods* That looks familiar, s/pentium4/athlon/. |
| 21:05.23 | sarah03 | Which really doesn't appear to do much of anything terribly special. |
| 21:05.46 | sarah03 | Considering that I can run everything I've got on this machine built with -march=athlon on an older celeron box, too. |
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| 21:07.42 | dwango | sarah03, heh, yeah |
| 21:08.07 | dwango | perhaps there will be the rare occurance |
| 21:08.46 | sarah03 | Probably somewhere, but nothing that makes nfsmounting /usr on another machine and using distcc not work. |
| 21:11.27 | dwango | is there a common distrobution that many of the kde developers use? |
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| 21:12.02 | dwango | distribution.. |
| 21:12.23 | PhilRod | in fact, quite a few use gentoo, but SuSE is quite popular I think |
| 21:15.06 | lippel | hmm, can you use www.scirus.com in konq? |
| 21:15.23 | lippel | i can't enter anything in the lineedit |
| 21:17.18 | PhilRod | dwango: there's lots of easy ways to get into development - writing docs, translation, usability, junior jobs in the bugs db, etc etc |
| 21:17.44 | PhilRod | dwango: you can write to the kde-quality@kde.org mailing list to get some more specific hints |
| 21:19.06 | dwango | I need to get my bearings a bit more first -- I'm a very recent win32 convert =) |
| 21:19.59 | sarah03 | lippel: The lineedit seems functional to me. |
| 21:20.00 | lippel | another way is to join one of the smaller kde-related projects. |
| 21:20.50 | lippel | sarah03: hmm, weird. which branch do you use? |
| 21:21.24 | PhilRod | dwango: there's no need to dive in the deep end - find an app you like, see if there's something missing in the docs, for example |
| 21:21.25 | sarah03 | lippel: This is 3.4b2, CVS HEAD as of about 3 weeks ago. |
| 21:22.23 | Paleo | someone's using a logitech cordless MX duo keyboard/mouse set with kde 3.4 ? |
| 21:22.24 | lippel | sarah03: ah, mine is some days old... |
| 21:22.43 | lippel | anyone using a recent 3.4 branch checkout? |
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| 21:24.56 | _chavo | lippel, I am from about 2 days ago |
| 21:25.16 | lippel | _chavo: can you enter text at www.scirus.com? |
| 21:25.23 | _chavo | lippel, yes |
| 21:25.44 | koruptid | ugh..... I submitted a bug report... and the person who replied didn't know what they are talking about |
| 21:25.45 | lippel | hmm, thanks. i'll update and/or try another user |
| 21:26.09 | dwango | koruptid, at least you got a reply =) |
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| 21:38.44 | Zxcvb_ | is reaktivate part of kde now? |
| 21:39.56 | gnumdk | I've got this when trying to eject a media with recent kde-3.4 cvs(this week) => Usage: /opt/kde3.4/bin/kdeeject <name> where name is a device or a mountpoint. |
| 21:40.06 | PieD | Zxcvb_: no |
| 21:40.17 | PieD | I think it is because it rely on wine |
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| 21:40.29 | PieD | or... |
| 21:40.32 | PieD | don't know why :) |
| 21:40.38 | Zxcvb_ | wine is on the requirements list so I thought it was |
| 21:40.39 | PieD | ethical reasons ? |
| 21:41.04 | Zxcvb_ | when it first came out in kdenobeta it didn't support scripting or running in a chroot environment |
| 21:41.31 | troy | apt start a holy way |
| 21:41.35 | troy | apt start a holy war |
| 21:41.36 | apt | Xemacs is the worst editor ever |
| 21:41.38 | Zxcvb_ | from the 3.3.2 requirements list "The KDE web browser Konqueror can use some ActiveX controls, such as the Quicktime video player, with WINE." |
| 21:41.43 | troy | I've missed doing that :) |
| 21:42.03 | PhilRod | troy: you can make the bot do useful things nowadays too :-) |
| 21:42.12 | PhilRod | apt: ug |
| 21:42.13 | apt | from memory, ug is http://people.fruitsalad.org/phil/kde/userguide-tng |
| 21:42.24 | PhilRod | that's the online version of the new user guide |
| 21:42.36 | troy | I wonder if apt still has my name on file.... |
| 21:42.39 | troy | apt troy |
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| 21:43.24 | troy | pity :) |
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| 21:43.32 | troy | anyway, just popped into the channel |
| 21:43.45 | PhilRod | feel free to hang around :-) |
| 21:44.02 | Zxcvb_ | PieD: kmplayer supports everything needed except shockwave anyway |
| 21:44.15 | troy | was reminiscing about how for the 2.0 release we had a release party here and a whopping 100+ people showed up in this channel. Popped in to find 172 here now on a regular day... |
| 21:44.40 | PhilRod | well, the #kde-devel channel has a few less people |
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| 21:45.04 | PieD | and #kde-fr has far less people :( |
| 21:45.05 | troy | if you were to take a union of the two channels though, it'd surely surpass 200 |
| 21:45.36 | troy | mais je ne veux pas parler en francais :P |
| 21:46.35 | PhilRod | troy: ok, that makes your French as good as mine - so now you *have* to come to #kde-fr :-) |
| 21:47.22 | lauri | hey |
| 21:47.31 | lauri | if everyone i know goes in all the channels I'm in |
| 21:47.36 | lauri | I'll be even more often confused than I already am |
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| 21:47.43 | lauri | hi troy :) |
| 21:47.56 | troy | hey lauri, I posted a pic for you earlier |
| 21:48.12 | troy | to replace your image of fat bondage guy that you seem to have of me :) |
| 21:48.26 | lauri | fat nekkid bondage guy |
| 21:48.28 | lauri | get it straight |
| 21:49.14 | SteamedPenguin | eek |
| 21:49.25 | lauri | heh |
| 21:49.34 | lauri | naw, troy is not a fat nekkid bondage guy |
| 21:50.16 | lauri | it's just an unfortunate side effect of not checking what a very big picture of yourself looks like when some web server automatically shrinks said picture to a 64x64 avatar image |
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| 21:51.03 | SteamedPenguin | StevenR: oh man |
| 21:51.09 | lauri | several of us did go around for a couple of months thinking he *was* one, but hey, we're a fetish friendly crew, and weren't about to bring it up and ask |
| 21:51.18 | StevenR | SteamedPenguin: cherry cake== good; |
| 21:51.19 | troy | lauri: http://tblog.ath.cx:8000/~troy/dsci0003.jpg |
| 21:51.29 | SteamedPenguin | StevenR: exactly my thoughts |
| 21:51.43 | Zxcvb_ | if KDE doesn't include ActiveX support normally then wine should not be on the requirements list |
| 21:51.54 | lauri | hey! no hat! |
| 21:52.00 | lauri | Zxcvb_: it's not |
| 21:52.30 | Zxcvb_ | lauri: it is on here http://kde.org/info/requirements/3.3.php |
| 21:52.50 | Zxcvb_ | lauri: WINE- optional - "The KDE web browser Konqueror can use some ActiveX controls, such as the Quicktime video player, with WINE." |
| 21:52.59 | lauri | *optional* |
| 21:53.06 | Zxcvb_ | lauri: if activex is limited to kdenobeta then it should't be on there at all |
| 21:53.22 | Zxcvb_ | lauri: I was expecting it to work after getting all the kde source packages and compiling |
| 21:53.32 | lauri | well, it doesn't |
| 21:53.57 | Zxcvb_ | lauri: any reason why it isn't in kdeaddons yet? |
| 21:54.08 | troy | Zxcvb_: probably because it doesn't work :) |
| 21:54.20 | lauri | get over it, move on |
| 21:54.33 | lauri | things go into KDE modules on the request of their authors |
| 21:54.47 | lauri | so the simple answer, the author has never requested it (and likely never will) |
| 21:55.56 | PieD | @++++ |
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| 21:56.53 | koruptid | SteamedPenguin: are you on the dev team? |
| 21:57.01 | SteamedPenguin | koruptid: eh? |
| 21:57.07 | SteamedPenguin | koruptid: the KDE dev team? |
| 21:57.11 | koruptid | yes |
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| 21:57.34 | SteamedPenguin | no, but I promized the doc people ksig documentation |
| 21:58.20 | koruptid | damn.... one of my bugs got closed as a wontfix despite the fact taht I know that a fix can be done to it without a ton of hassle |
| 21:58.46 | lauri | WONTFIX doesn't mean "can't fix it" |
| 21:59.00 | lauri | it means the developer does not *wish* to fix it, or does not consider it a bug |
| 21:59.10 | koruptid | "Unfortuantely I don't see any way how this could be fixed." |
| 21:59.22 | lauri | then, if you say it can be, attach a patch |
| 21:59.56 | koruptid | I'm not a c++ coder.... I just know it can be done from overhearing conversations about it |
| 22:00.05 | lauri | then you don't know for a fact |
| 22:00.26 | PhilRod | SteamedPenguin: if you need any help with ksig documentation, pop into #kde-docs or kde-doc-english@kde.org |
| 22:00.44 | lauri | honestly, if the person who wrote the code can't see a way to fix it, there's probably a lot more going on than meets the eye, and that's why they closed it |
| 22:00.48 | PhilRod | SteamedPenguin: and remember, you can write in plain text, and we'll add the docbook markup - there's no need to learn it if you don't want to |
| 22:00.51 | lauri | you *might* try asking them to explain |
| 22:01.09 | lauri | or you might give us the bug number, someone here might know more about it |
| 22:01.26 | lauri | heh, PhilRod I think he's already had that precise lecture from me and canllaith :) |
| 22:01.34 | koruptid | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100680 |
| 22:01.37 | lauri | can we just apt it as 'docs-lecture' |
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| 22:02.33 | PhilRod | koruptid: and bear in mind that there are lots of other considerations that the maintainer has to take into account - usability, accessibility, i18n, etc |
| 22:03.27 | PhilRod | apt: docs-lecture is <reply>if you need any help with writing documentation, you can pop into #kde-docs or write to kde-doc-english@kde.org. And remember, you can write in plain text, and we'll add the docbook markup - there's no need to learn it if you don't want to |
| 22:03.28 | apt | okay, PhilRod |
| 22:03.29 | lauri | bic'ness, non-single-desktop dual head, release schedule (could be you simply reported this against an older version and that code has been completely rewritten now) |
| 22:03.47 | SteamedPenguin | PhilRod: yeah, I remember, I just haven't had a chance these last two weeks to sit down and go through ksig and play with all the stuff and write things down. |
| 22:04.04 | SteamedPenguin | hopefully tonight or tomorrow morning |
| 22:04.08 | lauri | it's really hard to say, I think if this is really bothering you, just write christian esken and ask him (nicely!) to explain why it's not fixable |
| 22:04.23 | PhilRod | SteamedPenguin: sure - there's no rush |
| 22:04.25 | koruptid | PhilRod: I had it in the same spot in 3.3.91 and it didn't have this issue |
| 22:04.34 | lauri | (in this case, I *know* there's been a ton of work going on the systray stuff |
| 22:04.38 | SteamedPenguin | PhilRod: I figure it won't get in until KDE 3.4.1 anyway |
| 22:05.56 | dwango | Anyone know what the difference between "Comment" and "Description" is in kmenuedit? |
| 22:06.07 | dwango | They seem a bit ambiguous |
| 22:06.08 | PhilRod | koruptid: you should add that information to the bug report |
| 22:06.33 | PhilRod | dwango: I expect "Description" gets displayed in the menu, like "Kmail (Mail client)" |
| 22:06.42 | PhilRod | where "Mail client" is the description |
| 22:07.13 | PhilRod | apt: kdelinks |
| 22:07.14 | apt | from memory, kdelinks is http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=apt+Bot+For+User+Support |
| 22:07.24 | lauri | dwango: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/0.9.4/ar01s04.html |
| 22:07.35 | troy | I'm going to go back to #kde-freebsd where it's much quieter :) *waves* |
| 22:07.43 | PhilRod | bye troy |
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| 22:07.45 | dwango | lauri, thanks. |
| 22:08.07 | lauri | hmm |
| 22:08.17 | lauri | and I see description is not on there |
| 22:09.05 | dwango | It is also not listed in kmenuedit's help. |
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| 22:10.46 | lauri | I'd have to make one to be sure, I think it's probably editing a key named something else in the file |
| 22:10.58 | canllaith | hey there lauri :) |
| 22:10.58 | nutshell42 | hmm, has anyone tried the 3.4 betas or the rc1 and can tell me if ark's going to be less sucky in 3.4? |
| 22:11.08 | canllaith | define 'less sucky' |
| 22:11.12 | canllaith | I don't think much has changed on it :) |
| 22:11.14 | nutshell42 | I think there's no instance of me ever using ark successfully |
| 22:11.20 | nutshell42 | if konqueror can't open an archive |
| 22:11.27 | nutshell42 | or create it, ark can't too |
| 22:11.33 | canllaith | Is ark what provides the service menus to tar/untar files within Konq? |
| 22:11.41 | canllaith | That's always worked for me. |
| 22:11.43 | nutshell42 | that's especially a problem with rars |
| 22:11.55 | lauri | do you have unrar installed? and in the path? |
| 22:11.55 | nutshell42 | I try to extract a rar with ark, it fails |
| 22:12.00 | nutshell42 | yes |
| 22:12.13 | lauri | that works perfectly well for me, always has |
| 22:12.33 | canllaith | I haven't tried with rar I'm afraid - but zip. bzip gzip and tar are all fine. |
| 22:12.42 | koruptid | canllaith: what's your take on this?... http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100680 |
| 22:12.45 | nutshell42 | my current problem is that ark was busy extracting for 5 minutes |
| 22:12.52 | nutshell42 | then I open the dir |
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| 22:12.53 | nutshell42 | empty |
| 22:12.56 | canllaith | stuck on dial up while the adsl gets upgraded :( |
| 22:13.06 | lauri | dwango: Description edits the GenericName key |
| 22:13.11 | nutshell42 | I try it again, no use |
| 22:13.28 | nutshell42 | I use rar on the command line, well the archive needs a password |
| 22:13.51 | nutshell42 | shouldn't ark at least tell me "needs pw, can't do that, try cli client" |
| 22:14.00 | canllaith | nutshell42: filed a bug/wish ? |
| 22:14.11 | SteamedPenguin | god KPDF is so awesome |
| 22:14.43 | nutshell42 | SteamedPenguin: it definitely is |
| 22:14.48 | nutshell42 | =) |
| 22:14.55 | canllaith | *sniff* |
| 22:15.05 | nutshell42 | I could only try it for a few minutes |
| 22:15.16 | nutshell42 | but it was faster from cd than the current one from disk =) |
| 22:15.38 | lauri | "use your words young lady, or I'll give you something to sniffle about" |
| 22:15.52 | canllaith | hehehe |
| 22:16.01 | canllaith | darn that's scary |
| 22:16.05 | nutshell42 | is there a way to set a path for the different extraction tools in ark? |
| 22:16.13 | canllaith | my mother: "Stop that snivelling or I'll give you something to cry about" |
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| 22:16.22 | nutshell42 | in debian unrar isn't part of the rar pkg because there seems to be an open source unrar |
| 22:16.38 | lauri | well no wonder we're so alike :) |
| 22:16.43 | dwango | lauri, hmm, GenericName isn't marked as required.. it seems to serve no point =) |
| 22:16.45 | canllaith | ;) |
| 22:16.53 | nutshell42 | perhaps ark tries to use that and it's simply not compatible with current rar archives |
| 22:16.55 | lauri | dwango: 'not required' doesn't mean 'not ever used' |
| 22:17.21 | lauri | in KDE you can have the menus show "name (GenericName)" "GenericName (name)" Name (comment)" and there's probably some others |
| 22:17.28 | lauri | and the 'comment' is also usually the tooltip |
| 22:17.34 | lauri | nutshell42: quite likely |
| 22:17.35 | dwango | okay |
| 22:18.04 | lauri | ark uses the unrar in your path, if your distribution chooses to emasculate that, I don't think it's entirely fair to call ark 'sucky' over it |
| 22:18.14 | lauri | (but do file a wish for a password prompt) |
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| 22:20.10 | canllaith | sick, and dial up. |
| 22:20.26 | canllaith | Although my new laptop is so cute I almost don't care :) |
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| 22:20.35 | luciash | hello |
| 22:20.59 | lauri | broken tooth, root canal fell out, waiting for swelling to go down for repairs, and tomorrow, doing an 11hour car trip with a 5 year old |
| 22:21.02 | lauri | do i win? |
| 22:21.07 | luciash | do i need automake 1.4 to compile KDE with konstruct ? |
| 22:21.38 | canllaith | you sure do, and my sympathies since I know -noone- wants to win a 'I feel sucker!' debate |
| 22:21.40 | luciash | i have 1.9 here and it failed saying "checking for working automake-1.4... missing" |
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| 22:22.11 | canllaith | luciash: export WANT_AUTOMAKE_1.4 I think it is if you're on mdk or gentoo |
| 22:22.36 | luciash | canllaith: thanks, i'm on mdk |
| 22:23.32 | lauri | canllaith: on the bright side, I've had matt running round like a little slave boy for the last 3 days |
| 22:23.37 | luciash | canllaith: i got "bash: export: `WANT_AUTOMAKE_1.4': not a valid identifier" |
| 22:23.48 | canllaith | yeah hang on |
| 22:23.49 | sarah03 | Try WANT_AUTOMAKE_1_4 |
| 22:23.59 | canllaith | yeah :) sorry, was looking up correct syntax |
| 22:24.15 | lauri | (and had to do much slightly tense explaining at preschool, where Kajsa somehow informed them "daddy broke mummy's tooth") |
| 22:24.17 | luciash | seems ok |
| 22:24.18 | sarah03 | Or WANT_AUTOMAKE=1.4 |
| 22:24.27 | canllaith | lauri: LOL |
| 22:24.31 | canllaith | oh dear |
| 22:24.52 | koruptid | lauri: uh.... how's that work? |
| 22:24.53 | luciash | sarah03: so which one :) |
| 22:24.56 | lauri | "and there was lots of blood" (she totally invented that bit, there wasn't any blood at all) |
| 22:25.00 | sarah03 | Either should work. |
| 22:25.07 | luciash | sarah03: ok, thx |
| 22:25.48 | lauri | it actually doesn't hurt too bad, just swelled up quite hilariously, and they won't fix it until that's gone down, so I get to go around looking like balloon girl for a few days |
| 22:26.17 | koruptid | lauri: how'd you manage to get so busted up in the first place? |
| 22:26.46 | lauri | I went through the windscreen of a car |
| 22:26.54 | koruptid | OW |
| 22:26.56 | lauri | many years ago |
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| 22:27.09 | koruptid | I was referring to more recently |
| 22:27.16 | lauri | reconstructive dental work doesn't last forever though, and coming up 15 years later, some of it's a bit creaky |
| 22:27.29 | luciash | sarah03: how can i avoid/clear cache when re-runing konstruct ? still reports the same prob |
| 22:27.45 | sarah03 | Dunno, never used konstruct. |
| 22:27.55 | lauri | so bit into an apple the other day, and snapped off one of the crowns all in one piece, which made the root canal under it fall out |
| 22:27.56 | canllaith | mmm yeah |
| 22:28.06 | koruptid | lauri: the only word that comes to mind for that is OW |
| 22:28.07 | canllaith | I'd export that then rerun configure if I ws doing it manually |
| 22:28.15 | canllaith | how you do that in konstruct I have no idea |
| 22:28.25 | koruptid | lauri: so why would she say that it is your husband's fault? |
| 22:28.39 | lauri | I don't think she did heh, at least not on purpose |
| 22:28.50 | lauri | but 5 year old girls are a bit vague on 'facts' and 'details' |
| 22:28.52 | luciash | canllaith: does anybody use that tool then ? ;) |
| 22:29.04 | canllaith | luciash: yeah heaps, although everyone seems to have problems |
| 22:29.20 | canllaith | using a tool to compile sources because you don't know how to do it by hand leads to problems when troubleshooting any errors you get |
| 22:29.38 | canllaith | since you're using the tool BECAUSE you don't have the pre-requisite knowledge to troubleshoot those kinda issues heh |
| 22:30.40 | luciash | damn, i did make clean and now i'm downloading all again :-p |
| 22:30.53 | canllaith | lauri: do you think it's enough detail to just say "If you're using a binary distro that seperates runtime and buildtime libraries, make sure you install all the relevant -devel packages' |
| 22:31.11 | canllaith | 'if you're on gentoo or mandrake, you can export WANT_AUTOMAKE_FOO.......' |
| 22:31.20 | canllaith | Without going into any detail why that fixes anything? |
| 22:31.32 | canllaith | cause I can draw up a list of konstruct FAQ easily enough |
| 22:31.43 | canllaith | actual detailed informative documentation from begining to end is a gargantuan task though |
| 22:32.21 | luciash | i think i'll compile it myself too |
| 22:32.39 | luciash | konstruct is confusing me |
| 22:34.01 | lauri | I think that is fine |
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| 22:34.22 | lauri | I think if people need a higher level of detail, or the problem isn't fixed quite simply, they should be looking at the compile faq's or not using konstruct |
| 22:35.52 | StevenR | does kde print manager support lp-rng instead of cups? |
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| 22:35.56 | mbevan | Anyone else encountered probelms with the kio_sftp IO-slave? Mine seems to never connect (if I run the same `ssh...` command I get an error) and leaves SSH processes hanging. |
| 22:36.21 | StevenR | mbevan: ssh !=sftp |
| 22:36.31 | StevenR | mbevan: they're completely different protocols |
| 22:36.53 | mbevan | From the process table I can see the SFTP IO-Slave calling SSH to create a tunnel. I run the same command, and I get an error about an argument missing a yes or no value. |
| 22:36.57 | mbevan | StarScreem: I know. |
| 22:37.31 | StevenR | mbevan: try fish:// instead..maybe that will work better....maybe the server you're trying to connect to lacks sftp support |
| 22:37.48 | mbevan | It used to work, that's the trick. But I'll try fish. |
| 22:37.52 | fred87 | wtf is fish? |
| 22:38.13 | StevenR | fred87: ssh/scp io_slave |
| 22:38.14 | mbevan | fred87: SFTP emulation via SSH terminal connections. |
| 22:38.20 | mbevan | ^_^ |
| 22:38.35 | mbevan | StevenR: fish:// just hangs. |
| 22:38.45 | fred87 | cool |
| 22:38.57 | StevenR | mbevan: "hangs" ? in what way....it'll take a while, fish is slower |
| 22:39.29 | mbevan | StevenR: It never connects. I.e. "hangs while connecting". I see two kio_fish processes, each with one ssh sub-process. |
| 22:39.52 | StevenR | mbevan: give it time |
| 22:40.22 | StevenR | mbevan: can you connect to the server you're trying to sftp/fish through ssh normally? |
| 22:40.45 | mbevan | StarScreem: ... sftp:// used to do wonderful things like ask me about usernames and passwords and such. I suspect fish:// would do the same. As it is not, I fear it suffers the same problem, using the same ssh command line to launch the sub-process. |
| 22:40.55 | mbevan | s/StarScreem/StevenR/g |
| 22:40.56 | lauri | fish doesn't abide by ~/.ssh/config settings, for what it's worth |
| 22:41.12 | mbevan | StevenR: Yes, I can SSH in normally. |
| 22:41.15 | StevenR | lauri: it does use the keys though |
| 22:41.32 | lauri | yes, but if you have things like different user name, protocol, hostname set up in there, it won't know them |
| 22:41.36 | mbevan | StevenR: I have a key... I'll try moving my .ssh directory out of the way and try again... |
| 22:41.50 | lauri | keys are fine, I use them day in day out, both sftp and fish |
| 22:41.59 | StevenR | mbevan: there's something odd with your ssh setup...what distro, kde version, ssh version? |
| 22:42.01 | lauri | you have the same username either side? |
| 22:42.27 | mbevan | lauri: Unfortunately, this is not a perfect world. No, they are different. |
| 22:42.40 | lauri | did you try fish://remote-user@hostname |
| 22:42.50 | mbevan | lauri: Many times. |
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| 22:42.52 | lauri | (sftp has the same syntax) |
| 22:42.58 | mbevan | lauri: That's how I differentiate between users. |
| 22:43.29 | mbevan | sftp:// just asked me for a key... then halted. |
| 22:44.08 | mbevan | Attempting to connect again gives me a status bar message of "Opening SFTP connection to..." |
| 22:44.11 | lauri | I've seen this before, but it was with a known server-side problem (it was running the wrong sshd binary) |
| 22:44.39 | lauri | what version of KDE is this? 3.4 has a whole bunch of fixes for similar stuff |
| 22:44.49 | mbevan | 3.3.2 |
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| 22:44.55 | mbevan | Latest Gentoo emerge. |
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| 22:45.25 | lauri | I suspect whatever your problem is, it's fixed in 3.4 |
| 22:45.28 | lauri | but it's a bit hard to tell |
| 22:45.37 | mbevan | lauri: Whatever my problem is, it wasn't a problem until a few days ago. |
| 22:45.49 | mbevan | lauri: And nothing has changed, either server-side or client. |
| 22:45.49 | lauri | and what did you change where a few says ago?= |
| 22:46.08 | lauri | *something* changed - things don't just stop working |
| 22:46.14 | lauri | rack your brain |
| 22:46.27 | mbevan | Things in this world often stop working of their own volition. I'm used to it. |
| 22:46.46 | lauri | heh, come on, you'd be surprised how often something like changing window decoration can make some-random-app completely stop working |
| 22:46.49 | lauri | *something* changed |
| 22:47.22 | lauri | were either side rebooted (are they normally rebooted on a schedule) - could an older change to a daemon configuration on the server side have suddenly been kicked into effect for instance |
| 22:47.28 | mbevan | I 'emerge sync'ed and didn't install or update any packages. I do that each morning I come in here. |
| 22:47.46 | lauri | I once had a typo in tcpwrappers sit there for 2 months, before a reboot made it take effect - and completely lock everyone out of the machine |
| 22:48.19 | lauri | but there's *always* something that changed, even if it's not obvious what it is |
| 22:48.23 | mbevan | lauri: (Bravo! I've had similar happen in the past...) Server uptime is 90+ days, workstation is up and down like a hoars drawers bouncing between Linux and Windows. Many times each day. |
| 22:48.41 | lauri | the server is yours |
| 22:48.41 | lauri | ? |
| 22:48.49 | mbevan | lauri: If only. ;) |
| 22:49.09 | lauri | ok, can you run another sshd in debug mode on another port, and fish:// to that |
| 22:49.13 | mbevan | lauri: OpenSSH may have been updated on the workstation - which is my initial thought as when I try to run SSH the same way the various kio slaves do, it fails on a command line argument. |
| 22:49.16 | lauri | very often it'll tell you exactly what's wrong |
| 22:49.19 | canllaith | Check /dev/null |
| 22:49.28 | canllaith | make sure it's a character device on the workstation |
| 22:49.32 | canllaith | (since you say it's up and down all day) |
| 22:49.34 | lauri | heh, oh yeah, that too (how *does* that happen?) |
| 22:49.35 | mbevan | canllaith: I've done that. And /dev/random... and /dev/urandom... and /dev/world. |
| 22:49.53 | canllaith | Double check /dev/null just to humour us :) |
| 22:50.08 | StevenR | yo canllaith ! |
| 22:50.16 | canllaith | StevenR: yo :) |
| 22:50.23 | mbevan | canllaith: Checked - it's fine. |
| 22:50.29 | canllaith | lauri: bloody mattr comes to me yesterday. 'So, if I cvs up kdebase now it will build, yeah? ;)' |
| 22:50.36 | canllaith | He had me going for like 10 minutes I'd broken something evilly |
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| 22:50.40 | lauri | oooh, cheeky little sod |
| 22:50.51 | lauri | where's a gentooer |
| 22:50.56 | lauri | SteamedPenguin: you're one aren't you? |
| 22:50.59 | sarah03 | For? |
| 22:50.59 | canllaith | Between him and frerich I'm amazed I still use cvs without curling up into the fetal position and whimpering each time |
| 22:51.04 | mbevan | Which KDE package does the kio_ftp, kio_sftp, and kio_fish IO slaves live in? |
| 22:51.10 | SteamedPenguin | lauri: I am |
| 22:51.16 | lauri | to check what bits one would need installed to make sure all thie kioslaves work |
| 22:51.20 | SteamedPenguin | lauri: how can I vex you? |
| 22:51.23 | lauri | mbevan: in kde land, they're in kdebase |
| 22:51.29 | ponto_ | mbevan: kdebase if i remember correctly |
| 22:51.32 | lauri | in gentooland, no idea |
| 22:51.38 | mbevan | Thanke. I'll verify that package... |
| 22:51.52 | SteamedPenguin | mbevan: gentoo/kde problem? |
| 22:51.56 | mbevan | SteamedPenguin: Yes. |
| 22:51.58 | mbevan | Oh yes. |
| 22:51.58 | lauri | SteamedPenguin: you don't vex me |
| 22:52.09 | SteamedPenguin | lauri: can I please? ;) |
| 22:52.14 | mbevan | SteamedPenguin: And a strange one, too. |
| 22:52.16 | lauri | you're a most unvexacious gentooer, I even have to abstain from calling you a ricerboy |
| 22:52.21 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 22:52.37 | SteamedPenguin | lauri: I much appreciate it. :) |
| 22:52.43 | canllaith | mmmm I believe the hitachi drive fitness test is one that provides an img I can dd to a floppy :o |
| 22:52.49 | lauri | and if you were rice, I'd have to call you wild brown, or basmati, or something classy, not short grain white like the rest of 'em |
| 22:52.53 | canllaith | hell yes!! |
| 22:53.05 | SteamedPenguin | lauri: heh heh |
| 22:53.14 | sarah03 | lol |
| 22:53.16 | SteamedPenguin | mbevan: so what's the problem? |
| 22:53.33 | SteamedPenguin | lauri: I really appreciate that. :) |
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| 22:53.52 | mbevan | SteamedPenguin: kio_sftp and kio_fish are completely unable to talk to my server. Checking the process table and running the thusly called ssh commands yields an error about a command line argument missing a yes/no value. |
| 22:53.57 | sarah03 | lauri: I actually half expect some of the people that run Gentoo to have various stickers applied to the side of their cases in an attempt to make it go faster. |
| 22:54.11 | SteamedPenguin | mbevan: which KDE version? |
| 22:54.39 | SteamedPenguin | sarah03: I just cat config files a couple of times to make me feel useful |
| 22:54.42 | luciash | later |
| 22:54.49 | mbevan | sarah03: I'm using a 4-5 year old beige box of my own hand crafted design. Sorta. The HD is sitting on the bottom of the case, and everything in it is that old. Lack of rice to the extreme. |
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| 22:54.59 | canllaith | and this is the house that jack built. |
| 22:55.01 | mbevan | SteamedPenguin: 3.3.2, latest ebuild |
| 22:55.05 | SteamedPenguin | mbevan: hmm |
| 22:55.22 | SteamedPenguin | mbevan: and kdebase emerged just fine? |
| 22:55.35 | sarah03 | mbevan: I've got a generic black case with a window fan pointed into it. |
| 22:55.36 | mbevan | SteamedPenguin: Without a hitch. I think openssh is an issue, too. |
| 22:55.53 | SteamedPenguin | mbevan: have you tried reemerging openssh? |
| 22:55.58 | canllaith | and then I'll take that hard disk and physically remove it from the machine with no networking and put it in another machine entirely |
| 22:55.59 | mbevan | SteamedPenguin: 3.9_p1-r1 |
| 22:56.06 | mbevan | SteamedPenguin: That's what I'm doing as we speak... or type. |
| 22:56.09 | canllaith | It's sad when it requires 4 machines to get a hdd low levelled and installed |
| 22:56.24 | SteamedPenguin | mbevan: hmm |
| 22:56.32 | SteamedPenguin | that's weird |
| 22:56.53 | sarah03 | canllaith: Yee. I own floppy drives... somewhere. The only one that I know of is for my laptop. |
| 22:57.00 | SteamedPenguin | the yes no thing sounds like it is looking for those ssh dialog thingies |
| 22:57.07 | canllaith | sarah03: 3 out of the 4 machines I'm doing this dance with are laptops |
| 22:57.19 | mbevan | SteamedPenguin: And is confused as to the current syntax of the command. |
| 22:57.28 | SteamedPenguin | yeah |
| 22:57.31 | canllaith | Otherwise I'd just stick a network card & floppy disk in heh |
| 22:57.33 | SteamedPenguin | that's just plain fscked |
| 22:57.43 | SteamedPenguin | mbevan: what are the USE flags for openssh ? |
| 22:57.47 | mbevan | SteamedPenguin: ... is it unhealthy to run more than one emerge at a time? |
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| 22:58.07 | SteamedPenguin | mbevan: as long as things don't depends on the other it should be fine |
| 22:58.16 | SteamedPenguin | mbevan: aside from slowing things down |
| 22:58.16 | mbevan | SteamedPenguin: USE: -X509 -chroot -debug +ipv6 -kerberos -ldap +pam (-selinux) -sftplogging -skey -smartcard -static +tcpd (-uclibc) |
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| 22:59.20 | mbevan | SteamedPenguin: The use flags are very simple compared to what they could be. |
| 22:59.35 | SteamedPenguin | mbevan: damn, I have the same USE flags and kiosftp works like butter |
| 23:00.01 | canllaith | sftp is enabled in sshd.conf yeah? |
| 23:00.19 | mbevan | canllaith: Yes. |
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| 23:01.43 | MrGrim | woo I found a liquor store that carries strongbow :D |
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| 23:02.31 | mbevan | MrGrim: I've yet to find a pub around here which has tap Guinness. |
| 23:02.37 | luciash | re |
| 23:02.43 | mbevan | SteamedPenguin: OpenSSH re-emerged... testing. |
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| 23:03.53 | mbevan | SteamedPenguin: Neither sftp:// nor fish:// connect. |
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| 23:04.29 | mbevan | SteamedPenguin: Console ssh works fine. |
| 23:05.03 | SteamedPenguin | mbevan: fsck |
| 23:05.22 | SteamedPenguin | mbevan: consider trying KDE 3.4 rc1 :) |
| 23:05.26 | mbevan | StarScreem: You're telling me. Windows has a God-awful siren call right about now. |
| 23:05.39 | mbevan | StarScreem: ebuilds for 3.4 are ready? |
| 23:05.56 | SteamedPenguin | mbevan: there are ebuild for KDE 3.4 rc1 |
| 23:06.07 | SteamedPenguin | I've been using KDE 3.4 since beta1 on gentoo |
| 23:06.26 | SteamedPenguin | mbevan: want my package.keywords and my package.unmask ? |
| 23:06.45 | mbevan | StarScreem: Yes please... #flood here I come. |
| 23:07.01 | SteamedPenguin | mbevan: email |
| 23:07.25 | mbevan | That works too. |
| 23:08.04 | luciash | i'm still getting "checking for working automake-1.4... missing" even after that export WANT_AUTOMAKE_1_4 |
| 23:09.11 | luciash | i also get "checking for working aclocal-1.4... missing" two lines before |
| 23:09.16 | canllaith | mmm to be honest I'd hack the build script up |
| 23:09.18 | canllaith | heh |
| 23:09.24 | canllaith | I'm lazy |
| 23:11.58 | SteamedPenguin | mbevan: you've got mail, but no Meg Ryan, sorry |
| 23:12.10 | luciash | actually, i get this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/5mKpY343.html |
| 23:12.43 | luciash | SteamedPenguin: heh :) |
| 23:13.45 | SteamedPenguin | luciash: :) |
| 23:14.05 | SteamedPenguin | god, why does GIMP have to be GTK |
| 23:14.13 | SteamedPenguin | sigh |
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| 23:15.09 | luciash | must be WANT_AUTOMAKE_1_4=1 ? |
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| 23:17.08 | apow | SteamedPenguin: give gtk-qt engine a try |
| 23:17.41 | luciash | also: do i need export WANT_AUTOCONF=2.5 ? |
| 23:19.19 | SteamedPenguin | apow: ah, pass |
| 23:19.41 | SteamedPenguin | apow: does it take fiddling? |
| 23:20.07 | canllaith | SteamedPenguin: you should just be able to emerge it and then you have a kcontrol center module that will set gtk themes/fonts |
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| 23:20.19 | canllaith | so even if you don't actually use the qt mimicking theme, it's a worthwhile install to easily tweak your fonts |
| 23:21.42 | _chavo | SteamedPenguin, it works very well actually. |
| 23:26.03 | luciash | hm, exports do not help. still the same |
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| 23:34.15 | SteamedPenguin | canllaith: sweet, |
| 23:34.25 | SteamedPenguin | you too _chavo |
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| 23:50.21 | lasindi | Hi all, is there a way to take screenshots in KDE without KSnapshot? |
| 23:50.32 | lasindi | Like with the Print Screen? |
| 23:50.35 | lasindi | *button |
| 23:51.06 | StevenR | lasindi: alt-print-screen |
| 23:51.20 | lasindi | Can I paste that into the GIMP? |
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| 23:51.36 | StevenR | lasindi: dunno, i can paste it into kolourpaint, so try it and see :) |
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| 23:57.04 | koruptid | hmmm... my kwallet has disappeared |
| 23:57.12 | koruptid | what's the command to launch it? |
| 23:57.31 | lasindi | OK thank you. |
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| 23:57.55 | Theory | kwalletmanager |
| 23:57.59 | ataxic | koruptid: in kmenu somewhere |
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| 23:58.28 | koruptid | ataxic: used to be... it went missing however |
| 23:59.56 | ataxic | well best thing is usually to type kwallet in a shell and tab-key to complete it |
