| 00:00.06 | miqorz | *sigh* I'm not going to go over this with someone who doesn't accept the basic flaws of the xinerama API. |
| 00:00.29 | miqorz | That's KDE's doings. |
| 00:00.34 | miqorz | But Xinerama's advantages. |
| 00:00.43 | aseigo | miqorz: dude. i'm the one responsible for kicker working half decently on xinerama. i'm somewhat familiar with it. |
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| 00:00.57 | aseigo | miqorz: _what_ user visible issues do you have with it? |
| 00:01.13 | sarah03 | Xinerama and a host of other X11 extensions are mutually incompatible. [Most specifically, DRI.] |
| 00:01.24 | miqorz | aseigo: In almost every window manager I've used Xinerama with there has ALLWAYS been bleeding when switching between monitors. |
| 00:01.32 | miqorz | Windows however is immune to that. |
| 00:01.35 | slougi | sarah03: not really |
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| 00:01.52 | sarah03 | slougi: Only if you're running on purely NVidia hardware. |
| 00:01.59 | miqorz | I have yet to try composite w/ xinerama but I'm sure it's a hoot. |
| 00:02.01 | miqorz | haha |
| 00:02.05 | slougi | sarah03: at least xinerama and DRI can work together, afaik, with mergedfb, at least on radeons |
| 00:02.06 | sarah03 | That's the *only* way Xinerama and DRI are mutually incompatible. |
| 00:02.08 | aseigo | miqorz: are you talking about physiclaly replacing the monitor, or moving windows between monitors, or? |
| 00:02.10 | sarah03 | Er, are not. |
| 00:02.26 | sarah03 | slougi: And what about if you're not running a single radeon with 2 video outputs? Do you see where I'm going? |
| 00:02.29 | miqorz | aseigo: window moving |
| 00:02.44 | slougi | sarah03: mergedfb should still work in that case? |
| 00:02.45 | sarah03 | I can have DRI and 2 distinct desktops, or no DRI and one big desktop. |
| 00:03.11 | aseigo | miqorz: kwinIII handles it well IME =) |
| 00:03.42 | aseigo | i'll admit that X.org's Xinerama implementation blows goats |
| 00:03.50 | miqorz | It's a shame you NEED that much power to make up for Xinerama's shitty performance. |
| 00:03.53 | aseigo | but Xinerama itself, done well (e.g. twinview), works nicely |
| 00:04.06 | aseigo | miqorz: it's not the cpu, it's the video card driver |
| 00:04.09 | sarah03 | slougi: You know, I've *never* gotten Xinerama and DRI working simultaneously. |
| 00:04.21 | miqorz | aseigo: I know this... |
| 00:04.38 | miqorz | I have a GeForce4 and that SHOULD be plenty to not have bleeding. |
| 00:04.42 | miqorz | I know Windows never did. |
| 00:04.44 | sarah03 | I think I might have a way to work around that, if I feel like running Xdmx, too. But if that doesn't qualify as ugly hack, I don't know what does. |
| 00:04.53 | slougi | sarah03: well i have to admit i haven't tried it myself, but mergedfb should work according to posts on some freedesktop mailing lists, and according to the docs |
| 00:05.07 | aseigo | miqorz: drivers. yes. this is where X needs help. it's not something inherent in the Xinerama API or design though |
| 00:05.10 | slougi | heh, that _would_ be an ugly hack |
| 00:05.39 | miqorz | aseigo: I'm sure your coding skills could put me to shame ANY day. But some things I DO know about. =) |
| 00:05.45 | aseigo | X badly needs high end 3D video card drivers ... the matrox ones tend to be quite good, but they are limited to 2D |
| 00:05.59 | slougi | aseigo: that applies to pre-parhelia cards only |
| 00:06.26 | slougi | for the parhelia they are ATM telling you to go out and buy a commercial X server |
| 00:06.27 | aseigo | slougi: oh? i haven't tried the more recent matrox stuff ... 3D is good in the X drivers now? |
| 00:06.27 | miqorz | I stopped using Xinerama mainly due to the ass like performance I got from it but I NEED it for coding these days. |
| 00:06.31 | slougi | forget the name right now |
| 00:06.32 | aseigo | oh. |
| 00:06.45 | aseigo | commercial X ... feh. |
| 00:06.49 | slougi | they have free drivers, but they suck _HARD_ |
| 00:07.00 | aseigo | miqorz: yeah, i hear you about needing it for coding |
| 00:07.01 | miqorz | I would consider paying for a commercial X if it meant excellent xinerama. |
| 00:07.10 | aseigo | slougi: that is shitty =( |
| 00:07.12 | sarah03 | Hm. Looks like MergedFB works only if you're using 2 cards that work with the same driver. |
| 00:07.16 | slougi | xig is the comp i think? not 100% sure |
| 00:07.20 | slougi | aseigo: yep it is |
| 00:07.25 | miqorz | aseigo: hehe. I only know high level stuff like ruby.. =\ |
| 00:07.50 | slougi | aseigo: afaik they actually are guilty of illegal marketing, having promised linux support on their site and the box |
| 00:08.04 | slougi | sarah03: hmm, my bad then |
| 00:08.07 | miqorz | slougi: Which product? |
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| 00:08.20 | aseigo | slougi: heh. if it's available commercially, it's available, i suppose? =( |
| 00:08.21 | slougi | miqorz: Matrox Parhelia line |
| 00:08.23 | miqorz | sarah03: MergedFB? |
| 00:08.28 | miqorz | slougi: Ah. =) |
| 00:08.29 | slougi | slougi: true :/ |
| 00:08.53 | miqorz | i wish I could get my TERM settings to stick with konsole -_- |
| 00:08.56 | sarah03 | miqorz: Puts 2 displays into one framebuffer, if I'm reading the docs correctly. |
| 00:09.02 | miqorz | i had to stick something in my bashrc to get trick it |
| 00:09.12 | miqorz | sarah03: Wow! |
| 00:09.16 | miqorz | That's awesome. |
| 00:09.23 | miqorz | =) |
| 00:09.37 | miqorz | My mother is pushing me to get a job. |
| 00:09.38 | miqorz | =( |
| 00:10.01 | miqorz | I never wanted to run 16.. |
| 00:10.18 | MrGrim | miqorz: make the most of your last days of freedom |
| 00:10.23 | MrGrim | life is all downhill from here |
| 00:10.30 | miqorz | yeah... |
| 00:10.34 | MrGrim | the older you get, the more it sucks |
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| 00:10.40 | slougi | sarah03: as i read the docs, works on single cards too |
| 00:10.41 | MrGrim | and I'm only 22 :/ |
| 00:10.48 | brucehoult | lolol |
| 00:11.03 | slougi | sarah03: i have this picture in my head it was _created_ for dual-head cards |
| 00:11.04 | miqorz | MrGrim: I refuse to grow up! |
| 00:11.20 | sarah03 | slougi: *nods* And I'm not running such a card. |
| 00:11.21 | slougi | MrGrim: pffft, go out and get drunk |
| 00:11.29 | miqorz | Mutt is the best email client evar |
| 00:11.30 | MrGrim | all in good time |
| 00:11.32 | slougi | MrGrim: it'll all be worse in the morning ;) |
| 00:12.06 | slougi | sarah03: ahh, sorry, what are you running then? two separate cards? |
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| 00:12.37 | MrGrim | brucehoult: I see into my future, I see a police state and a theocracy, I see mind numbingly dull dead end jobs, I see the downfall of an already crappy education system, I see inflation and the loss of the value of the USD |
| 00:12.41 | miqorz | Okay. I want to take a small poll. NO ONE FLAME... What distro is everyone using? ;) |
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| 00:12.43 | MrGrim | I see nothing but crap in my future |
| 00:12.54 | sarah03 | slougi: *nods* Radeon 9000 and Matrox Millenium. |
| 00:12.55 | miqorz | I use Arch Linux =) |
| 00:13.06 | MrGrim | miqorz: gentoo |
| 00:13.07 | Omegatron | I complain about linux all the time. The usability is horrible. It gives me headaches to use this crap. But whoever wrote the "File Already Exists" window for Konqueror that actually lets you LISTEN to the two music files that have a name conflict, you get a HUGE gold star! That is awesome and perfect and great! |
| 00:13.07 | slougi | sarah03: right, sorry |
| 00:13.13 | miqorz | MrGrim: Cool =) |
| 00:13.19 | miqorz | Alot of KDE users seem to like gentoo. |
| 00:13.19 | slougi | sarah03: yeah, no working dri+xinerama on those |
| 00:13.29 | slougi | Linux gondolin 2.6.10 #7 Sat Feb 5 03:40:51 EET 2005 i686 AMD Duron(tm) Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
| 00:13.29 | MrGrim | Omegatron: amen to the second part |
| 00:13.34 | Omegatron | :-) |
| 00:13.34 | slougi | whoops |
| 00:13.38 | slougi | sry |
| 00:13.51 | sarah03 | slougi: Yup. I can have DRI or I can have Xinerama. If I want both, I suppose I could run a complete and utter hack like Xdmx. |
| 00:13.54 | MrGrim | Omegatron: must disagree with the linux not usable stuff tho |
| 00:13.56 | miqorz | slougi: :P |
| 00:14.08 | miqorz | Linux tobias 2.6.10-ck5 #1 Wed Feb 16 18:25:50 EST 2005 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
| 00:14.11 | miqorz | for me |
| 00:14.12 | Omegatron | yeah, yeah |
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| 00:14.16 | MrGrim | at least on a relative basis... but then again can usability be measured in an absolute way? |
| 00:14.20 | slougi | sarah03: not sure xdmx will work either, why not run it with two screens? |
| 00:14.35 | MrGrim | but, as for the big 3, un*x, windows, and mac, linux is by far th emost usable imho |
| 00:14.39 | slougi | only drawback is not being able to drag from one screen to the other |
| 00:14.43 | sarah03 | slougi: Xdmx would work just fine, because the base server would have DRI, and Xdmx would provide Xinerama. |
| 00:14.54 | sarah03 | That's the thing I can't stand about having it configured without Xinerama. |
| 00:14.59 | miqorz | What is the X commercial Unix's use? |
| 00:15.13 | slougi | sarah03: only one of the base displays has dri, not sure xdmx is smart enough |
| 00:15.34 | sarah03 | slougi: It just sits on top of the servers. Hell, if I want, I can run it inside of a bunch of Xnest servers. |
| 00:15.35 | slougi | sarah03: in any case, remote glx is not accelerated afaik, which might be another factor |
| 00:15.47 | slougi | sarah03: realize that, yes |
| 00:16.16 | sarah03 | The idea there is if I want DRI acceleration for a certain app [generally games, though other things occasionally too], I start it against :0.foo; otherwise against :1. |
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| 00:16.47 | sarah03 | Otherwise Xdmx just provides Xinerama on top of existing X servers... they have to be running @ the same depth, but that's about it., |
| 00:17.32 | slougi | sarah03: *shrug* I've not had the time to really look into Xdmx, so if you wanna try it, good luck |
| 00:17.40 | miqorz | Does the debian kdeartwork include plastik? |
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| 00:18.43 | chavo | miqorz, plastik is in kdebase in 3.4, not sure about earlier. It's the new default. |
| 00:18.57 | miqorz | I'm asking for a friend, I don't use debian. |
| 00:19.12 | hitu | i use debian :P |
| 00:19.43 | miqorz | i use arch linux |
| 00:19.48 | chavo | neom, I've got synergy working and controlling KDE running on cygwin on my XP laptop. |
| 00:19.56 | miqorz | i got sick of source distros and binary distros that have -dev packages. |
| 00:19.59 | miqorz | :D |
| 00:20.02 | sarah03 | slougi: *shrug* Not worried about it right now, actually. |
| 00:20.05 | neom | How are you findint it? |
| 00:20.18 | chavo | well synergy is pretty cool |
| 00:21.05 | chavo | but running kde in cygwin on my XP laptop is kind of slow. |
| 00:21.24 | hitu | windows is slow. |
| 00:21.36 | chavo | 3.1.4 is the latest versio of KDE that runs in cygwin. |
| 00:21.47 | chavo | hitu, it's probably just you. |
| 00:21.49 | sarah03 | chavo: That's because KDE assumes a UNIX process model, not a Windows process model. |
| 00:22.04 | chavo | no it's my laptop. |
| 00:22.16 | hitu | hehe |
| 00:22.20 | miqorz | Does ruby have qt bindings? |
| 00:22.26 | aseigo | yes |
| 00:22.28 | aseigo | and kde bindings |
| 00:22.29 | miqorz | im using ruby-gtk2 right now.. |
| 00:22.30 | sarah03 | No, KDE forks off various processes to do lots of things. Creating processes on Windows is espensive. |
| 00:22.39 | sarah03 | Expensive, too. |
| 00:22.44 | miqorz | aseigo: =) |
| 00:22.54 | sarah03 | fork()/exec() on Linux and most other Unix-type systems is cheap. |
| 00:22.58 | chavo | yeah, I'm pretty surprised how well it runs actaully. |
| 00:23.06 | aseigo | miqorz: do a search for korundum |
| 00:23.14 | miqorz | aseigo: thanks |
| 00:23.15 | aseigo | miqorz: in fact: http://rubyforge.org/projects/korundum/ |
| 00:23.22 | aseigo | aseigoogle |
| 00:23.48 | chavo | I have a wireless net connection from verizon and the modem won't work in Linux, so I keep Windows on the laptop and share the connection. |
| 00:23.54 | miqorz | aseigo: thank you =) |
| 00:24.02 | miqorz | I'm too lazy to learn C++ |
| 00:26.53 | miqorz | Allright, I've saved my qt color scheme. How do I send it someone? Like where is the file located? |
| 00:27.56 | brucehoult | miqorz: most people are incapable of properly learning C++. And I include 90% of programmers I've worked with in that. |
| 00:28.10 | miqorz | Haha |
| 00:28.11 | slougi | c++ is pretty huge |
| 00:28.23 | miqorz | I've wanted to learn C for a while but I'm lazy. |
| 00:28.28 | slougi | C is easy |
| 00:28.35 | miqorz | i just learned ruby and ferite |
| 00:28.37 | miqorz | =P |
| 00:28.47 | miqorz | Now, how do i extract my custom color scheme? |
| 00:28.49 | slougi | C++ compared to C is like comparing an elephant to a cat |
| 00:28.51 | slougi | :P |
| 00:28.57 | brucehoult | yes, C is easy to understand, btu very hard to use without creating bugs and vulnerabilities all over the place |
| 00:29.22 | slougi | c++ is not that much better in that regard |
| 00:29.27 | miqorz | neom wantrs the colors I use o.o |
| 00:29.47 | brucehoult | slougi: not unless you toally forbid the use or C-style arrays and the C std library |
| 00:30.01 | neom | There is a button that says "save scheme" |
| 00:30.14 | slougi | brucehoult: STL only then? |
| 00:30.14 | brucehoult | yes |
| 00:30.30 | slougi | brucehoult: the problem here is that sometimes STL stuff _ |
| 00:30.33 | slougi | whoops |
| 00:30.34 | brucehoult | which sucks in it's own way, and is often very slow |
| 00:30.36 | slougi | let's try again |
| 00:30.43 | slougi | brucehoult: the problem here is that sometimes STL stuff is way too slow |
| 00:30.44 | slougi | yeah |
| 00:31.22 | slougi | miqorz: ~/.kde3.3/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes/ |
| 00:31.28 | miqorz | thank you |
| 00:31.39 | slougi | np |
| 00:31.46 | slougi | just a test color scheme + find ;) |
| 00:31.55 | miqorz | hehe |
| 00:31.56 | brucehoult | the STL seems to being C++ down to the same sort of speed (or slower than) as COmmon Lisp, Dylan and OCaml. |
| 00:32.03 | brucehoult | *bring |
| 00:32.16 | brucehoult | .. while being far harder to use effectively than those languages |
| 00:32.18 | slougi | i don't really have experience with any of those |
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| 00:32.52 | lysek | hello |
| 00:33.08 | slougi | still, the thing with C++ is that you can use only STL and the C++ standard library for safety, or then go with libc and C arrays when you need speed |
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| 00:33.32 | slougi | heh |
| 00:33.52 | slougi | is objective-c as bad? |
| 00:35.05 | MrGrim | what's wrong with C++? |
| 00:35.11 | MrGrim | loaded question I know.. but.. |
| 00:35.12 | brucehoult | Objective C is two languages mashed together. Fast ANSI C for non-OO stuff and then a very powerful but very slow (similar in speed to Ruby/Python etc) object-oriented facility |
| 00:35.25 | slougi | righto |
| 00:35.30 | brucehoult | it's just great for doing UI's, but is too slow for real number-crunching OO stuff |
| 00:36.04 | slougi | hmm weird apple is using it for a lot of things then |
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| 00:37.07 | brucehoult | slougi: well, Apple has Objective-C++, which is even more of a mess :-) But let's you do OO stuff that needs to be fast using C++, and OO stuff that needs to be flexible and reflective and dynamic in Obj-C -- and all in the same source file |
| 00:37.54 | lysek | is vim-component working well with kdevelop in Beta 2? |
| 00:38.03 | slougi | c + c++ + python + $ |
| 00:38.14 | slougi | = objective-c++ then ;) |
| 00:38.24 | brucehoult | pretty much |
| 00:39.37 | brucehoult | but s/python/ruby/ and it's closer, since both Obj-C and Ruby take a *lot* from SmallTalk |
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| 00:40.17 | slougi | heh, it's sad that the only one of those languages i have ever used is python |
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| 00:40.32 | slougi | i keep on hearing smalltalk is great though, should look into that |
| 00:40.37 | slougi | or was |
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| 00:42.32 | brucehoult | slougi: *is*. Download "squeak" and play with it |
| 00:42.41 | MrGrim | brucehoult: you think maybe your enthusiam for C++ skewed your ultimate judgement of it... something similar to what I call "sequel syndrom" with movies? |
| 00:42.42 | miqorz | yes play it with |
| 00:42.45 | miqorz | but not too much |
| 00:42.48 | miqorz | it might squirt |
| 00:43.02 | ScytheBlade1 | anyone here use kdevelop on gentoo with the SVN plugin? because I can't get it to work |
| 00:43.05 | ScytheBlade1 | or do much anything |
| 00:43.14 | slougi | miqorz: ... |
| 00:43.17 | miqorz | Emacs is my IDE of choice. :D |
| 00:43.22 | miqorz | slougi: :P |
| 00:43.25 | ScytheBlade1 | well you're useful ;) |
| 00:43.37 | miqorz | ScytheBlade1: I must spread the word of the all mighty RMS! |
| 00:43.42 | miqorz | hehe |
| 00:43.43 | MrGrim | ScytheBlade1: ok this might be a dumb question, but you did emerge subversion before kdevelop? |
| 00:43.45 | slougi | ScytheBlade1: can't get the SVN plugin to work, or kdevelop? |
| 00:43.47 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah I did |
| 00:43.49 | ScytheBlade1 | SVN plugin |
| 00:43.55 | slougi | right |
| 00:43.57 | ScytheBlade1 | SVN and then kdevelop |
| 00:44.14 | brucehoult | MrGrim: hmm .. I don't think so. It was my 4th or 5th programming language, and I've learned another half dozen (at least) since then |
| 00:44.20 | ScytheBlade1 | from there, I made a new project, checked the SVN plugin and... |
| 00:44.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't find *anything* related to SVN, other than the plugin info, and that's just a bunch of checkboxes |
| 00:44.41 | ScytheBlade1 | no place to configure server, etc |
| 00:44.59 | brucehoult | MrGrim: don't get me wrong .. C++ is very powerfual and is one of the best all-round langugaes out there. In the hands of a real expert it can do very great things. |
| 00:45.16 | brucehoult | BUt it's so *hard* to be an expert, and it's dangerious in the hands of a non-expert |
| 00:45.21 | MrGrim | I've never actually used the SVN plugin.. I just remember reading what was said at the end of the kdevelop emerge :P |
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| 00:45.33 | ScytheBlade1 | plus my Import Existing Project, the "Fetch From" is grayed out when I try to import it |
| 00:45.38 | ScytheBlade1 | MrGrim, heh, yeah me too ;) |
| 00:45.52 | MrGrim | brucehoult: I would say something, but I don't trust anyone but me to judge who is an expert :P |
| 00:46.10 | MrGrim | so my idea wouldn't work |
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| 00:47.24 | MrGrim | heck, I'm not an expert yet.. at least not with C++ |
| 00:47.27 | miqorz | is there a way to disable the most used applications thing? |
| 00:48.24 | chavo | miqorz, I'm not sure, I set mine to 0 and it's still showing 2 there |
| 00:48.55 | miqorz | chavo: Interesting. |
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| 00:49.44 | chavo | might need to restart kicker |
| 00:50.36 | chavo | yup, that did it |
| 00:50.46 | miqorz | where are the settings for that at? |
| 00:50.47 | miqorz | =) |
| 00:51.14 | chavo | control center -> desktop -> panels, or right click panel and Configure |
| 00:51.25 | chavo | go to menus tab. |
| 00:52.28 | miqorz | sweet |
| 00:52.29 | miqorz | thanks |
| 00:52.30 | miqorz | =) |
| 00:52.37 | chavo | no problem |
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| 00:53.36 | chavo | Well, by the time I get Control Center completely memorized they'll be coming out with a new one. |
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| 01:00.24 | miqorz | neom: dork |
| 01:00.25 | miqorz | ;p |
| 01:00.32 | neom | ~~techno~~ |
| 01:00.42 | miqorz | time for some paul van dyk methinks |
| 01:00.58 | neom | I put some surround in my bedroom last weekend. |
| 01:01.02 | miqorz | ddue |
| 01:01.03 | miqorz | er |
| 01:01.03 | miqorz | dude |
| 01:01.06 | miqorz | im moving in with you |
| 01:01.07 | neom | 5.1 |
| 01:01.10 | miqorz | :D |
| 01:01.19 | miqorz | ill sleep in your floor with my computer |
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| 01:02.56 | neom | And the company I work for has an audio division. So I had them install a thing where when my phone rings, I have speaker phone via my surround and a mic just next to my desk that picks up my voice, it's quite nice. |
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| 01:03.08 | miqorz | hehe |
| 01:03.12 | miqorz | :D |
| 01:07.13 | miqorz | techno pisses me off |
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| 01:15.17 | oguz28 | hi all |
| 01:15.27 | oguz28 | which Linux? or UNIX? |
| 01:15.41 | oguz28 | I am a home user |
| 01:15.55 | oguz28 | I like WinXP very much |
| 01:16.06 | oguz28 | advise me a Linux or UNIX |
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| 01:24.24 | Underlord | im trying to use the kde rdc client, it complains i need rdesktop 1.3.2 (even though that version seems to not exist yet), it mentions finding a patch in the kde cvs, where in the cvs would that be and how would i apply it? |
| 01:24.26 | neom | http://neom.ca/OHNOZ.jpg |
| 01:24.57 | miqorz | lmfao |
| 01:25.10 | miqorz | is that windows? |
| 01:25.27 | neom | yup |
| 01:25.35 | neom | @ w0rk |
| 01:25.38 | miqorz | ;) |
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| 01:27.09 | miqorz | What an annoying nick and address. |
| 01:30.43 | slackd00d | ahh too bad =P |
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| 01:37.41 | neom | .sh? |
| 01:37.56 | neom | I mean, what in the context of the host does it stand for? |
| 01:38.01 | neom | oh |
| 01:38.02 | neom | girlish |
| 01:38.04 | neom | hm |
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| 01:43.09 | neom | Should be mandrake. |
| 01:44.26 | miqorz | lol |
| 01:44.27 | miqorz | :P |
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| 01:50.51 | notroot | hello |
| 01:51.20 | notroot | what about kontact and kumula? what's better fot bussines contact database? |
| 01:51.22 | miqorz | ;,fap |
| 01:51.23 | miqorz | errrr |
| 01:51.24 | miqorz | lmfao |
| 01:51.30 | miqorz | Don't run X as root!!! |
| 01:53.43 | notroot | i'm not running X as root :) |
| 01:54.01 | neom | lies |
| 01:54.36 | notroot | i can't run X because I have no X |
| 01:55.10 | miqorz | DONT RUN IRC AS ROOT |
| 01:55.24 | notroot | i'm not running IRC client as root |
| 01:55.30 | notroot | :) |
| 01:55.35 | miqorz | ..... |
| 01:55.41 | miqorz | dont make me stab you in the face. |
| 01:55.56 | notroot | stab my mask! :D |
| 01:56.47 | notroot | I'm now on gentoo install environment, don't worry about irssi uid |
| 01:57.24 | miqorz | =P |
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| 01:58.02 | neom | What's the kde tool to view all the machines on a network called? |
| 01:58.25 | notroot | miqorz :O |
| 01:58.29 | notroot | neom, lisa daemon? |
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| 01:58.59 | miqorz | smb2k? |
| 02:00.33 | hitu | neat |
| 02:00.37 | hitu | kdebase is installed |
| 02:00.43 | notroot | Do you know any tool as Visio? to build diagrams? |
| 02:00.44 | hitu | now what kdegraphics or kdenetwork |
| 02:00.57 | neom | lisa daemon? |
| 02:00.58 | infodroid | notroot: kivio |
| 02:01.05 | notroot | thz infodroid :) |
| 02:01.14 | miqorz | neom: you're asking for a samba browser, I just forgot the name. lol |
| 02:01.15 | infodroid | notroot: kivio, also dia (the gnome competition) |
| 02:01.27 | notroot | i know dia :) |
| 02:01.42 | notroot | but i dont like gtk at all |
| 02:02.03 | miqorz | i hate all that "gtk sucks" "qt sucks" bullshit. |
| 02:02.05 | infodroid | notroot: its a crap app but its got a lot of features |
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| 02:02.39 | notroot | miqorz, I don't hate anything :) |
| 02:02.39 | infodroid | miqorz: well i am not deliberately biased, i have good reasons for believing that gtk is a flawed api |
| 02:03.02 | miqorz | all toolkits suck |
| 02:03.05 | miqorz | motif owns them all |
| 02:03.24 | infodroid | hehe compared to motif anything looks good |
| 02:03.25 | Alethes | I like the look of gnome/gtk, but I want the functionality of kde/qt |
| 02:03.48 | infodroid | Alethes: you can theme your kde to look like gnome, not that i would do that |
| 02:03.51 | miqorz | Alethes: Yeah. I'm kind of like that. |
| 02:03.55 | Alethes | infodroid: I do :) |
| 02:03.57 | Alethes | somewhat |
| 02:04.01 | notroot | do you know qt-qtk-engine (or similar)? :) |
| 02:04.05 | Alethes | http://www.alethes.net/bckontact.png for instance |
| 02:04.13 | miqorz | Alethes: have you tried the gartoo icon set? |
| 02:04.13 | notroot | it's cool to use gtk tools on qt environment |
| 02:04.15 | Alethes | or http://www.alethes.net/kdesimple.png |
| 02:04.21 | Alethes | miqorz: no thanks |
| 02:04.33 | miqorz | It reminds me of gnome |
| 02:04.34 | Alethes | I'm in the process of completing the bluecurve icon set for kde |
| 02:04.34 | miqorz | hehe |
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| 02:05.12 | Alethes | oops |
| 02:05.14 | Alethes | wrong kontact shot |
| 02:05.27 | Alethes | http://www.alethes.net/bckontact5.png |
| 02:05.30 | Alethes | that one's better |
| 02:06.50 | slackd00d | doesnt kde all ready have bluecurve icons? |
| 02:06.53 | Alethes | no |
| 02:07.00 | Alethes | well, kinda |
| 02:07.04 | miloc | hey guys... i upgraded slackware from 10.0 to 10.1, but it's still running kde 3.2... any help? |
| 02:07.04 | Alethes | it's horribly incomplete |
| 02:07.09 | slackd00d | true |
| 02:07.19 | Alethes | and it clashes with crystal, which it imports |
| 02:07.21 | neom | man, I just switched to kde from gnome about a week ago, having problems finding all the stuff, hah. |
| 02:07.22 | slackd00d | miloc, then you didnt upgrade |
| 02:07.43 | slackd00d | Alethes: very true, i forgot about that |
| 02:07.56 | miloc | but i followed Pat's Instructions in upgrade.txt???? |
| 02:08.08 | slackd00d | if you didd then it would of upgraded |
| 02:08.17 | slackd00d | where did you get the 10.1? |
| 02:08.34 | miloc | slackware.com |
| 02:08.44 | slackd00d | cd's or did you download |
| 02:09.09 | miloc | i downloaded *.iso |
| 02:09.29 | slackd00d | whats the output of "kde-config --version" |
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| 02:09.57 | orangey | hey all! |
| 02:10.10 | anisX | heya too =) |
| 02:10.31 | miloc | qt3.3.2 |
| 02:10.45 | orangey | I was wondering if someone could help a smidge with hunting down bug reports for kmail.. I have been using 3.4b2 and writing down all the stuff I've found, but I'm not sure how I could make sure they're not dupes. |
| 02:10.46 | miloc | kdee3.2.3 |
| 02:10.57 | miloc | kde-config 1.0 |
| 02:11.24 | slackd00d | what does your /etc/slackware-version or whaatever say? |
| 02:11.42 | miloc | i have kernel *.29 |
| 02:12.24 | slackd00d | open /etc/slackware-version (i think thats the name) with pico or whatever andd tell what it says |
| 02:12.47 | miqorz | just cat /etc/slackware-release |
| 02:12.51 | miloc | 10.1.0 |
| 02:12.55 | slackd00d | ok, thats easier |
| 02:13.48 | slackd00d | miloc: do this mount the slackware cd2, the one wiith gnome and kde, and cd into /mnt/cdrom/slackware/kde/ and do "upgradepkg --install-new *.tgz" |
| 02:14.47 | neom | http://neom.ca/nixsc.png |
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| 02:16.12 | neom | pkg, best command ever! |
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| 02:17.02 | miqorz | lol |
| 02:17.13 | miqorz | nice wallpaper |
| 02:17.15 | miloc | slackd00d do i have to typt telinit? |
| 02:17.19 | slackd00d | no |
| 02:17.25 | miloc | thx |
| 02:17.27 | anisX | neom: water and fire! |
| 02:17.48 | neom | yup. :) |
| 02:17.57 | slackd00d | miloc: let me know if you need more help |
| 02:20.01 | miloc | ok thaks, just a second to do this first part |
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| 02:21.45 | miloc | slackd00d, is it necessary to remove old files after the upgrade?? |
| 02:22.09 | slackd00d | no |
| 02:22.27 | neom | whoha! |
| 02:22.41 | neom | I just mounted my windows drives using smb4k |
| 02:23.00 | miloc | ok, just thinking, is there a problem doing the upgrade inside kde??? |
| 02:23.10 | miqorz | neom: samba is great |
| 02:23.56 | slackd00d | miloc: not really....but avoid it if possable |
| 02:24.21 | slackd00d | just restart afterward.....but also do it in consolle if you can |
| 02:24.35 | miloc | i already did it inside it, ups!! |
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| 02:24.54 | slackd00d | its ok then |
| 02:25.34 | notroot | does anybody use kompose? does it work faster than older versions? |
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| 02:32.09 | miloc | slackd00d, kde3.3 running! thanks a lot! |
| 02:32.17 | neom | How do I edit "links" in the kde menu system bar thinger? |
| 02:32.19 | slackd00d | no problem |
| 02:34.12 | slackd00d | miloc: enjoy |
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| 02:40.44 | neom | anyone? |
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| 02:41.31 | slackd00d | neom: what do you mean |
| 02:42.53 | neom | Well basically there is an application I always want to run using sudo. |
| 02:43.12 | neom | So when I click it on the start menu thinger, I want to add sudo to the start of the path. |
| 02:43.24 | slackd00d | kmenuedit |
| 02:43.34 | JThundley | kdesu program |
| 02:43.41 | slackd00d | change it to run as a difrent user |
| 02:44.36 | neom | ERROR: Communication problem with kmenuedit, it probably crashed. |
| 02:44.38 | neom | lol |
| 02:44.59 | JThundley | is there a way to suggest a window position for a newly started program using bash? |
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| 02:45.24 | slackd00d | goto the menu then settings then menu editor |
| 02:46.10 | neom | alt + f3 |
| 02:49.08 | grepper | JThundley: -geometry |
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| 02:58.04 | JThundley | grepper: but doesn't the program that I'm running have to support that? |
| 02:58.27 | JThundley | holy crap, it does support it |
| 02:58.29 | JThundley | I was googling first |
| 02:58.35 | JThundley | and google told me it didn't support it! |
| 02:58.46 | JThundley | sonofabitch! Thank you grepper! |
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| 03:01.06 | sh0n | with konsole, can you stop the menu from popping up when you want to paste? |
| 03:01.08 | JThundley | frickin awesome, thanks dude! |
| 03:01.16 | sh0n | i just want to select text, then right click to paste it |
| 03:01.18 | JThundley | sh0n: yes, it's the klipper that does that though |
| 03:01.21 | sh0n | NOT have a pop up menu |
| 03:01.24 | JThundley | right click on klipper |
| 03:01.33 | JThundley | and uncheck "Enable Actions" |
| 03:01.40 | sh0n | i need klipper running? |
| 03:02.02 | JThundley | no |
| 03:02.18 | JThundley | it's like a cache for your clipboard |
| 03:02.18 | sh0n | its not selected |
| 03:02.24 | JThundley | remembers the last 5 things you had selected |
| 03:02.39 | sh0n | konsole is still popping up for a menu when i want to paste |
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| 03:03.28 | sh0n | i want to paste directly not have to select a menu option |
| 03:03.37 | sh0n | putty does this |
| 03:04.33 | can|zzZZz | Why don't you just use normal X clipboard |
| 03:04.36 | FransE | Hi all :) |
| 03:04.45 | FransE | Anyone, do you reach this page? http://83.72.134.122/ |
| 03:04.51 | can|zzZZz | Highlight with mouse, click by middle click or emulate 3 buttons |
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| 03:05.02 | FransE | (Mozilla based browser required) |
| 03:05.03 | Alethes | FransE: So, this is the start page. This greeting message is very interesting. |
| 03:05.09 | FransE | Alethes: thanks |
| 03:05.11 | can|zzZZz | Alethes: ? |
| 03:05.14 | Alethes | I'm using konq |
| 03:05.16 | Alethes | heya can|zzZZz :) |
| 03:05.25 | marcusU | hi canllaith |
| 03:05.30 | FransE | Alethes: try with Moz |
| 03:05.34 | FransE | or firefox |
| 03:05.51 | Alethes | mozilla seems so painful now that I have konq |
| 03:06.12 | canllaith | heh it just took me like 20 seconds to load mozilla .. :\ |
| 03:06.14 | canllaith | looks good |
| 03:06.42 | Alethes | I see a white page with some links and some text |
| 03:06.54 | FransE | Alethes, ok, thansk |
| 03:08.22 | sh0n | im a touchpad |
| 03:08.45 | sh0n | i want right mouse button for paste in KDE |
| 03:08.48 | sh0n | not menu popups |
| 03:09.18 | canllaith | Why can't you just use normal X paste |
| 03:09.25 | canllaith | Click both buttons at once |
| 03:09.32 | Alethes | or click your scrollwheel |
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| 03:10.42 | Borg^Queen | Hello |
| 03:10.50 | sh0n | there isn't one in a touchpad ;) |
| 03:11.06 | Alethes | oh yeah |
| 03:11.07 | Alethes | heh |
| 03:11.10 | canllaith | I use a touchpad for about wow, 10 hours a day |
| 03:11.20 | canllaith | you can emulate3buttons and click both buttons. |
| 03:11.21 | Alethes | I hate laptops |
| 03:11.22 | Borg^Queen | glide point |
| 03:12.18 | puetzk | canllaith: a lot of touchpads can do multiple-finger touches too |
| 03:12.25 | puetzk | I actually rather like that approach :-) |
| 03:12.33 | puetzk | touch with 2 or 3 buttons |
| 03:12.36 | puetzk | err fingers :-) |
| 03:13.22 | canllaith | maybe not :P |
| 03:13.26 | puetzk | heh |
| 03:13.37 | puetzk | well, that's why you do a corner tap or something for drag lock :-) |
| 03:13.46 | puetzk | synaptics touchpads are rather configurable beasts :-) |
| 03:13.51 | canllaith | I just don't have that kind of precision working on a touchpad |
| 03:13.58 | sh0n | synaptics rule |
| 03:14.03 | Borg^Queen | ouch |
| 03:14.08 | sh0n | the kde tool to manipulate them is amazing |
| 03:14.14 | canllaith | Might work for people who don't have bad hands :) |
| 03:16.55 | Alethes | canllaith: any ideas for the kopete and konversation icons? |
| 03:17.02 | Alethes | for bluecurve that is |
| 03:17.11 | canllaith | the systray icons, or like the buddy type icons? |
| 03:17.23 | Alethes | the ones that indicate status |
| 03:17.29 | Alethes | online, away, etc |
| 03:17.42 | Alethes | I'm ok with the different service logos |
| 03:17.56 | Borg^Queen | Is there away to get a symlink to an app to shutdown one app before starting up the other? |
| 03:18.01 | Alethes | I don't like having an icon next to each user on irc, that's for sure |
| 03:18.08 | Alethes | I might just make it a transparent pixel :) |
| 03:18.23 | canllaith | for gaim to indicate status I have the icon I use at 60% opacity for away |
| 03:18.26 | canllaith | and greyscale for offline |
| 03:18.46 | Alethes | yeah, the logo for the service does that in kopete |
| 03:18.55 | Alethes | PLUS it does its own icon too, which doesn't make sense |
| 03:19.19 | canllaith | it doesn't in cvs head |
| 03:19.24 | Alethes | it does its own icon to the left, then say, the msn or aim logo on the right |
| 03:19.27 | Alethes | both indicating the status |
| 03:19.35 | canllaith | it's already changed lol |
| 03:19.48 | Alethes | just the msn, aim, etc logos? |
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| 03:20.47 | canllaith | I've been gaiming until someone in particular (looks firmly at mattr) unbreaks typing notifications |
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| 03:24.30 | Alethes | so kopete's icons make more sense now? |
| 03:24.47 | Alethes | I'd like to see the service's icon aligned on the left side of the user's name |
| 03:24.54 | Alethes | of course that's not an option |
| 03:25.14 | canllaith | Well in the view I use |
| 03:26.46 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/kopete1.png |
| 03:27.02 | canllaith | That's the view I used and they removed a completely redundant icon which is nice |
| 03:27.16 | brucehoult | pretty cumulus clouds! |
| 03:27.21 | canllaith | It used to have -ANOTHER- icon to the right :| |
| 03:27.30 | canllaith | brucehoult: awwwww I wonder who that would be with pretty cumulus? :) |
| 03:27.32 | Alethes | that's what's bugging me about it now |
| 03:27.46 | Alethes | it's totally redundant |
| 03:27.54 | Alethes | I wonder if I can hack it up just to fix it for now |
| 03:27.58 | Alethes | just to not show that icon at all |
| 03:28.28 | Alethes | you're using that burgandy scheme? |
| 03:28.46 | canllaith | Not right now, I just changed to plastik. I was up until 30 seconds ago :) |
| 03:28.55 | Alethes | ah heh |
| 03:29.09 | Alethes | I was kinda surprised since you liked that other one so much |
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| 03:29.52 | canllaith | I tend to change them a lot |
| 03:30.12 | Alethes | haha |
| 03:30.20 | Alethes | hmm |
| 03:30.28 | Alethes | I bet you could change'em with a cron job and dcop :) |
| 03:31.21 | canllaith | I'm very fussy though |
| 03:31.32 | canllaith | a particular colour scheme needs particular icons needs particular wallpaper .. ;) |
| 03:31.50 | Alethes | yeah |
| 03:31.58 | Alethes | is that what the Themes are for in kde? |
| 03:32.22 | Alethes | oooo |
| 03:32.28 | Alethes | it is it is :D |
| 03:33.45 | Alethes | hehehe |
| 03:33.50 | Alethes | hmmm |
| 03:34.00 | Alethes | how about this |
| 03:34.15 | Alethes | how about we do a theme changer that picks that stuff for you based on the data from kweather and the time of day? |
| 03:34.19 | canllaith | :P:P |
| 03:34.23 | Alethes | that'd be interesting, huh? |
| 03:34.35 | canllaith | and takes a blood sample for me to analyse factors influencing my mood? |
| 03:34.38 | Alethes | hahaha |
| 03:34.45 | canllaith | ;) |
| 03:34.59 | Alethes | what's that app called? klot? |
| 03:37.20 | canllaith | bbs] |
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| 04:03.59 | vlad | does anyone know what the command is to lock session? like what i would run from the console? |
| 04:05.49 | vlad | nm, kdesktop_lock |
| 04:06.27 | jakollasch | does KDE (3.3) use fontconfig? (basicly do i need to change my entire font to get certian glyphs) |
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| 04:11.29 | orangey | hey all! |
| 04:11.41 | orangey | is it possible to get kopete to flash the system tray whenever a person sends a new message? |
| 04:11.59 | orangey | it appears to do so at the moment on the FIRST message (i.e., before a window is open) |
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| 04:35.05 | marcusU | Hmmm. When I'm viewing a PDF in Konqueror using the KPDF part, and I go to Settings -> Configure PDF View to open the configuration dialog, shouldn't the "HELP" button open KPDF's help rather than Konquerors' help? |
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| 04:37.45 | marcusU | canllaith: Is there someplace I should report misspellings in the Help? |
| 04:37.57 | canllaith | bugs.kde.org, product docs :) |
| 04:38.03 | CyrusPY | problem with kjobviewer (print job manager), can anybody help? |
| 04:38.07 | marcusU | canllaith: Okay. |
| 04:38.28 | CyrusPY | Suse Pro 8.2, have cups working fine, i can send jobs and manage them with cups' web interface, but i would like to manage the queue with kjobviewer |
| 04:38.59 | CyrusPY | kde3.1.1 |
| 04:39.15 | CyrusPY | i started kjobviewer, can select de printers, but the jobs doesn't apper (current or past) |
| 04:39.20 | marcusU | CyrusPY: I'm not sure, but I remember one of those versions of SuSE highly recommended using YaST2 and not other configurators because of some SuSE customizations. |
| 04:39.58 | marcusU | I'm using SuSE 9.0 and used to use 8.2, but I don't recall all the details (nor the details about KDE 3.1.x). |
| 04:40.33 | CyrusPY | marcusU: the printer is working, indeed i configured it with yast. Now i want to manage print jobs and spools with kjobviewer |
| 04:45.55 | CyrusPY | someone? |
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| 04:47.24 | marcusU | Why is Konqueror so slow when typing/editing text in a multi-line textbox? |
| 04:48.12 | jakollasch | marcusU: good question |
| 04:48.21 | marcusU | jakollasch: Have you noticed it, too? |
| 04:48.53 | marcusU | I'm talking about like on the KDE bug report "long description", or in web-based email pages. |
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| 04:52.01 | marcusU | Konqueror is almost unusable in this respect. |
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| 04:52.13 | somekool | hello |
| 04:52.33 | marcusU | hi somekool |
| 04:52.36 | somekool | does kde has any service on RendezVous ? yet ? |
| 04:53.02 | somekool | talking about 3.4cvs latest |
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| 05:18.30 | aseigo | somekool: yes ... but it'll take another release to get it into everything.. |
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| 05:19.44 | bsdb0xen | Can somebody tell me why K3B would say "Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format" when I try to add working MP3s to an audio project to burn? |
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| 05:21.02 | canllaith | omg! |
| 05:21.09 | aseigo | bsdb0xen: because you don't have the transcoding tools to turn them into .wav? |
| 05:21.17 | aseigo | omg becky. look at her BOOK. |
| 05:21.37 | canllaith | kpdf remembers what page I was up to!!!!! |
| 05:21.46 | aseigo | yeah. kpdf kicks ass. |
| 05:22.16 | canllaith | ok that's very cool |
| 05:22.26 | canllaith | no longer do i have to have a zillion sticky notes with the names of books and what page I'm up to |
| 05:22.52 | brucehoult | hopefully it remembers the zoom and scroll settings too then |
| 05:22.55 | rwilco | a really nice app listed on the kde.org site. Ktoon, a 2d cartoon animation tool. |
| 05:23.08 | canllaith | It didn't remember the zoom no |
| 05:23.23 | canllaith | but given that my preferred level of zoom depends on how much sleep I've had that's ok |
| 05:24.17 | PaT- | hi guys! do any of you have used the lipstik style? If so, what do you think should be better or changed or added or removed? i dont have any ideas about what to do with it... |
| 05:24.51 | miqorz | canllaith: lol |
| 05:24.54 | miqorz | long time no see. |
| 05:25.05 | canllaith | miqorz: jesus christ, don't pop up like that and scare me |
| 05:25.17 | miqorz | ;) |
| 05:25.23 | miqorz | hehe |
| 05:25.23 | PaT- | nah... be cruel :) i need motivation :) |
| 05:26.11 | miqorz | i need some drugs |
| 05:26.12 | miqorz | :( |
| 05:26.46 | canllaith | 'ludes ? |
| 05:26.47 | brucehoult | sorry -- wrong decade |
| 05:26.54 | miqorz | fuckin' ludes man! |
| 05:26.55 | miqorz | :D |
| 05:26.58 | miqorz | hehe |
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| 05:27.24 | miqorz | Using irssi and mutt in konsole makes it kind of like a KDE app, right? ;) |
| 05:27.35 | brucehoult | canllaith: quaaludes |
| 05:28.09 | canllaith | mmm ok |
| 05:28.11 | miqorz | KMFDM is a drug against war! |
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| 05:29.38 | canllaith | aseigo: man, no comment on the title of my latest blog? I'm disappointed. |
| 05:30.02 | miqorz | You have a blog? |
| 05:30.15 | brucehoult | pheer her blog. |
| 05:30.26 | miqorz | i fear any woman |
| 05:30.29 | canllaith | I was forced into it, all negative feedback can be piped directly to aseigo |
| 05:30.29 | miqorz | they're pure evil |
| 05:31.09 | canllaith | OH NO |
| 05:31.14 | canllaith | can you get schoc in australia, brucehoult ? |
| 05:31.26 | brucehoult | no, I'm afraid not |
| 05:31.30 | canllaith | NOOOOOOO |
| 05:31.32 | canllaith | ok so |
| 05:31.35 | canllaith | we set up a smuggling ring |
| 05:31.44 | canllaith | you send me parcels of schoc concealed in knitted socks, k? |
| 05:31.51 | brucehoult | sure, ok then |
| 05:31.59 | brucehoult | oh no! |
| 05:32.04 | brucehoult | you mean I have to knit socks? |
| 05:32.06 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 05:32.10 | canllaith | Yup, fraid so. |
| 05:32.24 | canllaith | hang on |
| 05:32.27 | canllaith | hang on hang on |
| 05:32.46 | brucehoult | bvtw I was just kidding... |
| 05:33.10 | canllaith | !!!! |
| 05:33.13 | canllaith | "selection of Schoc tablets at Essential Ingredient, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia." |
| 05:34.26 | miqorz | I wish there was a real way for me to date ledbians. |
| 05:34.28 | miqorz | er |
| 05:34.30 | miqorz | lesbians |
| 05:34.40 | bsdb0xen | miqorz, I'm a lesbian trapped in a mans body. |
| 05:34.43 | miqorz | slackd00d: You have a bowel control problem. |
| 05:34.52 | miqorz | bsdb0xen: Works for me, I'm bi. |
| 05:35.07 | slackd00d | heh...either that or because the dev's did such a great job perfectting their code and ideas |
| 05:35.07 | bsdb0xen | So you're strong enough for a man but pH balanced for a woman? |
| 05:35.12 | brucehoult | so you could date bi girls then and pretend? |
| 05:35.23 | miqorz | haha |
| 05:35.30 | miqorz | No.. lesbians are awesome. |
| 05:35.38 | miqorz | They're SO themselves. |
| 05:35.39 | slackd00d | ya like the 400 butch ones |
| 05:35.44 | canllaith | last I checked, this wasn't #smut :) |
| 05:35.44 | miqorz | Unlike normal women. |
| 05:35.45 | slackd00d | 400 pound |
| 05:35.50 | miqorz | lmfao |
| 05:36.02 | miqorz | Sexuality isn't just about sex. |
| 05:36.03 | miqorz | o.o |
| 05:36.31 | miqorz | Flowing Glower |
| 05:37.23 | aseigo | canllaith: yeah, i caught the title... =P |
| 05:37.45 | canllaith | * break me shake me hate me take me over... * |
| 05:38.08 | miqorz | :P |
| 05:38.16 | canllaith | ok, this is is nice, using amarok playlists in noatun |
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| 05:38.51 | sugoi | im looking for how to get kdevelop on mac |
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| 05:39.07 | miqorz | ew |
| 05:39.12 | miqorz | savagae garden |
| 05:39.18 | canllaith | I think that's about what the neighbours are saying, yes |
| 05:39.35 | canllaith | sugoi: iirc there is a qtmac port of KDE 3.2 something |
| 05:39.42 | canllaith | is there a kdevelop package in that ? |
| 05:41.52 | aseigo | sugoi: install linux on it =) |
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| 05:44.25 | miqorz | I'm bored.. |
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| 05:47.55 | miqorz | Hmm |
| 05:50.43 | canllaith | So when did you start using KDE miqorz ? |
| 05:51.19 | miqorz | hmm |
| 05:51.21 | miqorz | this morning. |
| 05:51.23 | miqorz | lol |
| 05:51.24 | somekool | aseigo which RendezVous service can I enable and test ? |
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| 05:55.39 | miqorz | canllaith: I still use Mozilla though, I hacked the source to get the old file selector back. |
| 05:56.19 | canllaith | and qtfirefox, sometimes. |
| 05:56.31 | miqorz | I use Mozilla CVS |
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| 05:56.41 | canllaith | That's where one gets qtfirefox from, yup :) |
| 05:57.07 | miqorz | lol |
| 05:57.08 | miqorz | :P |
| 05:57.39 | eean | is qtfirefox coming along? |
| 05:57.54 | miqorz | it's coming along about as good as ron jeremy I suppose |
| 05:57.57 | canllaith | It's not quite usable yet |
| 05:57.58 | canllaith | Well |
| 05:58.09 | canllaith | It wasn't quite usable the last time I checked it out, which was before Christmas since I've barely been home since. |
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| 05:58.34 | jmh | hi |
| 05:58.41 | eean | now that there's qt for windows |
| 05:58.46 | canllaith | kmozilla (gecko rendering engine in konqi) is amazingly broken, there are no words to describe. |
| 05:58.49 | canllaith | There always was qt for windows. |
| 05:58.55 | eean | well, for GPL |
| 05:59.00 | eean | though I suppose Mozilla is MPL |
| 05:59.01 | canllaith | That's not happening till qt4 :) |
| 05:59.05 | eean | so thats irrelevant |
| 05:59.52 | eean | I'd rather have gecko rendering in konq then mozilla in qt |
| 06:00.22 | jmh | would you say the activity in their freenode channel is a way to judge the popularity of major open source prodcuts? :) |
| 06:00.39 | eean | jmh: not really |
| 06:00.49 | miqorz | jmh: look at #windowmaker then tell me. |
| 06:01.05 | eean | some open source projects aren't very IRC-oriented |
| 06:01.12 | miqorz | http://left-foot.org/Images/kde3.png |
| 06:01.13 | miqorz | yay |
| 06:01.17 | miqorz | desktop goodness. |
| 06:01.19 | jmh | miqorz: well, looks about right, right? :) |
| 06:01.29 | miqorz | lmfao |
| 06:01.34 | miqorz | WindowMaker is VERY popular. |
| 06:01.46 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/snapshot1.png |
| 06:01.54 | eean | maybe its only a positive indicator... an active IRC channel is a sign of a active project, but an inactive channel doesn't mean anything. |
| 06:02.05 | brucehoult | phew |
| 06:02.09 | jmh | I'm just a bit confused that there are only 48 people in #gnome and nobody said somethign there for about 30 minutes now |
| 06:02.32 | miqorz | Someone is using kde3.4beta2 with exessive composite |
| 06:02.34 | miqorz | :P |
| 06:02.34 | jmh | miqorz: oh, didn't know that, so that's a real good indicator my proposed indicator is no indicator at all, right :) |
| 06:02.39 | canllaith | No, it's not beta 2 |
| 06:02.44 | eean | hehe, there's often twice as many people in #amarok |
| 06:02.44 | miqorz | cvs? |
| 06:02.59 | canllaith | Yes, 'beta 2' implies a certain stability that I just haven't encountered. |
| 06:03.07 | miqorz | lmao |
| 06:03.12 | canllaith | cvs head. Hopefully it will get less insane after release. |
| 06:03.20 | miqorz | canllaith: yay, a fellow emacs user |
| 06:03.39 | eean | at this point in the game, CVS going to be more stable then a beta |
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| 06:04.05 | canllaith | lol no I'm afraid it's not. |
| 06:04.08 | miqorz | Im just using 3.3.2 because Im lazy. |
| 06:04.14 | eean | heh, really? |
| 06:04.27 | eean | my cvs is a couple of weeks old I guess |
| 06:05.45 | canllaith | There are some annoying brokeness with writing out to configuration files |
| 06:05.58 | canllaith | So unless you periodically say, make screenshots for documentation with a clean user account.... |
| 06:05.59 | miqorz | konverdation doesn't look like it offers me ANYTHING irssi in konsole doesn't |
| 06:06.14 | canllaith | You might not notice that the bloody bouncing cursor refuses to turn off, and kwallet is broken :P |
| 06:06.19 | canllaith | miqorz: so don't use it :) |
| 06:06.35 | jmh | miqorz: where can I get this wallpaper of yours? it looks really nice. |
| 06:06.51 | miqorz | jmh: No clue. I found it on deviantART one night. |
| 06:07.12 | miqorz | I like communism art |
| 06:07.33 | jmh | miqorz: min gicing me the name so i get a chance to find it myself? or better yet, mind safting or dccing it to me? :) |
| 06:07.48 | miqorz | ill fire up lftp |
| 06:07.50 | miqorz | hold on |
| 06:08.00 | jmh | allthough I'm not sure dcc works here, for I am not at home |
| 06:08.18 | miqorz | actually |
| 06:08.20 | miqorz | hold on |
| 06:08.23 | jmh | lftp? I can only offer saft/dcc/mail |
| 06:08.53 | miqorz | http://www.deviantart.com/view/15088755/ |
| 06:09.02 | jmh | ah, perfect, thanks a lot :) |
| 06:09.12 | miqorz | lftp is just what i use for ftp upload to my webspace |
| 06:09.13 | miqorz | lol |
| 06:09.24 | jmh | ah, ok :) |
| 06:09.31 | miqorz | gui ftp clients suck |
| 06:10.47 | jmh | ack, I also like lftp in particular but I just thought you thought I would offer you an upload facility on a ftp server of mine :) |
| 06:11.05 | miqorz | lol |
| 06:11.07 | miqorz | ;) |
| 06:11.18 | miqorz | i use mutt. irssi and lftp. im soooo leet |
| 06:11.18 | miqorz | ;) |
| 06:11.47 | jmh | u r teh leetness!!11eleven |
| 06:11.54 | miqorz | omgod wtf penis1111 |
| 06:12.07 | miqorz | i didnt |
| 06:12.07 | miqorz | lol |
| 06:12.12 | miqorz | and it looks fine |
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| 06:12.28 | jmh | well everything's just black&white right now |
| 06:12.52 | jmh | went well with the old wallpaper but hurts the eyes with the new one ;) |
| 06:12.56 | miqorz | slackd00d: still looking for that slackchix0r to share the /dev/null that is your heart? |
| 06:13.03 | miqorz | jmh: ;P |
| 06:13.06 | jmh | lol |
| 06:13.26 | jmh | might i quote you on bash.org? :) |
| 06:13.28 | slackd00d | yes i am |
| 06:13.31 | miqorz | jmh: sure |
| 06:14.05 | miqorz | ive become so insanely good at faking being romantic it's not even cool. |
| 06:14.24 | miqorz | No wonder women get pregnant so much, it's too easy to manipulate them. |
| 06:14.44 | miqorz | Spit off some cheesey lines about how wonderful they are and maybe you're better for knowing them. BAM. |
| 06:14.47 | miqorz | She's yours |
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| 06:15.08 | NOthsouth | Hii.. can anyone help me to install ktouch please ? |
| 06:15.27 | NOthsouth | i just do everythings.. bus I'm still receiving error .. |
| 06:15.56 | NOthsouth | hUAHUHA.. humm can you download it? |
| 06:16.10 | miqorz | what is it? |
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| 06:17.06 | slackd00d | man i couldnt figure out why my screen and kde desktop was going so slowwwww...i installed the real nvidia drivers, not the nv one, and now it hauls ass |
| 06:17.08 | jmh | is there a way to apply a new color scheme to kicker without restarting kde? |
| 06:17.10 | miqorz | it's like a mario teaches typing for kde |
| 06:17.11 | miqorz | except less fun |
| 06:17.21 | miqorz | jmh: mine did instantly |
| 06:17.37 | slackd00d | mine too |
| 06:17.43 | jmh | miqorz: you're using 3.4 leetness, right? |
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| 06:17.58 | miqorz | jmh: Nope. |
| 06:18.00 | miqorz | 3.3.2 |
| 06:18.03 | jmh | hum |
| 06:18.05 | jmh | me too |
| 06:18.08 | miqorz | im too lazy to build 3.4 |
| 06:18.15 | jmh | what could be broken here? |
| 06:18.34 | jmh | applying a new color scheme leaves kicker (and only kicker) untouched |
| 06:18.34 | miqorz | Are you using a panel background? |
| 06:18.46 | jmh | the panel background is transparent |
| 06:18.51 | miqorz | kill kicker |
| 06:18.54 | miqorz | it wil restart |
| 06:18.56 | miqorz | will |
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| 06:19.19 | jmh | hum |
| 06:19.20 | jmh | erm |
| 06:19.21 | jmh | no |
| 06:19.24 | jmh | it doesn't |
| 06:19.25 | jmh | :) |
| 06:19.39 | miqorz | killall -9 kicker && kicker & |
| 06:19.52 | jmh | yeah, manually restarting it worked fine |
| 06:19.57 | miqorz | =p |
| 06:20.02 | canllaith | dcop kicker kicker restart is far cleaner |
| 06:20.05 | jmh | and now the new color scheme's applied, too \o/ |
| 06:20.10 | miqorz | i havent used kde since whatever came with Mandrake 9.1 |
| 06:20.21 | canllaith | given that kill -9 may cause you to lose settings |
| 06:20.32 | miqorz | meh |
| 06:20.33 | jmh | I sent SIGINT, not SIGKILL |
| 06:20.40 | canllaith | :) |
| 06:20.43 | jmh | so I gave kicker a chance to save its settings :) |
| 06:20.58 | miqorz | o_o |
| 06:21.02 | canllaith | mmm this monteiths summer ale is almost drinkable |
| 06:21.04 | miqorz | i just took a picture of me |
| 06:21.06 | miqorz | my haid is big |
| 06:21.27 | miqorz | err |
| 06:21.27 | miqorz | head |
| 06:21.37 | miqorz | not to mention i look like shit due to being sick |
| 06:21.39 | miqorz | lol |
| 06:21.48 | miqorz | Wanna see? :D |
| 06:22.32 | miqorz | http://left-foot.org/Images/me.jpg |
| 06:22.39 | miqorz | look! it's the famous mirror trick. |
| 06:22.43 | miqorz | I'm SO original |
| 06:22.53 | jmh | you look quite happy... 8) |
| 06:23.01 | miqorz | im sick.. very sick |
| 06:23.58 | miqorz | im fitting into a size smaller of shirts |
| 06:24.02 | NOthsouth | can anyopne make an RPM file of ktouch to me pleasseee ?? |
| 06:24.23 | miqorz | NOthsouth: Ask in #fedora |
| 06:24.24 | miqorz | =) |
| 06:24.37 | NOthsouth | ok i do that |
| 06:24.41 | miqorz | I'd do it but I haven't used an RPM distro in ages. |
| 06:25.08 | brucehoult | somehow I don't think that's going to make it into ishotmyself |
| 06:25.25 | miqorz | lol |
| 06:25.40 | CyrusPY | any cups saavy? |
| 06:25.49 | miqorz | my cup protects my balls |
| 06:25.53 | miqorz | i dont know about yours |
| 06:27.06 | CyrusPY | err, wrong windows |
| 06:27.29 | miqorz | lol |
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| 06:32.35 | miqorz | People still use BitchX |
| 06:32.38 | miqorz | Shocking. |
| 06:38.07 | canllaith | damn I can't concentrate on writing -anything- :( |
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| 06:38.21 | Ripe_ | Hello guys, Do you know if exist a opensource tool like Visual Chart? :) |
| 06:39.53 | miqorz | what IS visual chart? |
| 06:40.22 | jmh | if there is more than one kicker panel, is there a way to make only one transparent? |
| 06:41.34 | miqorz | I wonder what they did with Regular K |
| 06:41.49 | jmh | and: is there a way to show the tooltips on system tray icons but not on launcher icons? |
| 06:42.09 | miqorz | i mean you got 'Special K' so there MUST be regular K right? |
| 06:42.24 | brucehoult | miqorz: yes, we already got it, ok? |
| 06:42.35 | miqorz | brucehoult: I'm still wondering. |
| 06:43.03 | brucehoult | d'oh .. it's made by Kellogs. You never heard of Kellogs' Cornflakes? |
| 06:43.10 | miqorz | Ah. |
| 06:43.12 | miqorz | Good point. |
| 06:43.44 | miqorz | i just ate a bowl of Special K |
| 06:43.47 | miqorz | it was delicious |
| 06:46.25 | brucehoult | do let us know if it makes you slim |
| 06:46.38 | miqorz | lol |
| 06:47.45 | canllaith | jmh: easily on the tooltips |
| 06:47.57 | canllaith | jmh: just disable tooltips on the panel, the systray icons are controlled by kdeglobals |
| 06:48.19 | jmh | canllaith: oh, perfect, thanks and sorry for the dumbness :) |
| 06:48.27 | canllaith | lol that's ok it's not obviously apparant |
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| 06:48.35 | canllaith | erm apparent** |
| 06:48.48 | miqorz | lol |
| 06:49.03 | miqorz | you're austrialian. it comes naturally |
| 06:49.10 | miqorz | australian |
| 06:49.24 | miqorz | im sick, i have a real excuse. ;) |
| 06:59.14 | NOthsouth | what files I realy need to upgrade my kde? |
| 06:59.37 | NOthsouth | just SRPMS ? |
| 06:59.48 | canllaith | best to ask #yourdistro about their packages :) |
| 06:59.56 | NOthsouth | hum |
| 06:59.59 | NOthsouth | ok |
| 07:00.23 | canllaith | They might have changed the structure in ways we don't know about unless we happen to use that distro. |
| 07:00.57 | NOthsouth | i use fedora core3 |
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| 07:07.22 | npx | Hi, I'm using 3.3.2, and when I activate a menu item in any KDE app and move the mouse across the menubar, the menu items I move the mouse over become active |
| 07:07.36 | npx | and when I'm running apps over X on a dialup it sorta sucks |
| 07:07.55 | npx | so I was wondering if there was a way to turn it off that I haven't been able to find |
| 07:09.27 | npx | I spend about a week writing out my site using CSS as much as possible when I do a site |
| 07:09.32 | npx | err |
| 07:09.37 | npx | misfire |
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| 07:40.17 | NOthsouth | for install kde 3.3.2 i just give rpm -ivh packages?? |
| 07:45.38 | slackd00d | for what distro? |
| 07:45.54 | NOthsouth | fedora core 3 |
| 07:46.14 | slackd00d | doesnt it come with 3.3 ? |
| 07:46.40 | Ilpo | I think that Fedora contains KDE |
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| 07:47.53 | slackd00d | it does |
| 07:48.25 | slackd00d | it comes with 3.3.0, dont know why yoou dont just use that |
| 07:48.34 | slackd00d | theres no major diffrance |
| 07:48.44 | Ilpo | and you can update kde with yum |
| 07:48.51 | slackd00d | and if you dont know how to update it properly why bother |
| 07:49.05 | slackd00d | ya, thats the besst way |
| 07:49.29 | Ilpo | Thus you should user force option to install new KDE when there is older version |
| 07:49.49 | Ilpo | and maybe you get depedency problems in future |
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| 07:55.15 | slackd00d | why do people ask for help then ignore you? |
| 07:55.25 | chimaera | wow, the current cvs-digest hold's wuite some information on kde's next steps.. |
| 07:55.53 | slackd00d | link? |
| 07:56.12 | chimaera | http://cvs-digest.org |
| 07:56.16 | slackd00d | heh, thanks |
| 07:56.32 | chimaera | np |
| 07:57.35 | slackd00d | windows port? |
| 07:57.41 | slackd00d | for kde? |
| 07:58.17 | chimaera | slackd00d: old news ;) |
| 07:58.52 | slackd00d | but i dont get it |
| 07:59.05 | brucehoult | queue aseigo rant :-) |
| 07:59.15 | slackd00d | kde will run on windows or what? like litestep? |
| 07:59.20 | brucehoult | .. or counter rant |
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| 08:00.08 | chimaera | slackd00d: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39187111,00.htm |
| 08:00.18 | slackd00d | thanks |
| 08:00.52 | chimaera | slackd00d: porting the whole de wouldn't make sense, imho, but makeing the applications work.. |
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| 08:02.11 | slackd00d | the applications would be cool |
| 08:02.16 | slackd00d | like k3b =) |
| 08:02.30 | slackd00d | but i dont use windows so i guess it doesnt affect me |
| 08:03.43 | Ripe_ | I neew a tool that does not exist :( |
| 08:03.51 | Ripe_ | s/neew/need/ |
| 08:03.52 | Ripe_ | :> |
| 08:05.23 | Ripe_ | tar cjf file.tar.bz2 directory |
| 08:05.31 | Ripe_ | ops, not here |
| 08:05.50 | slackd00d | chimaera: thatt article had some good points...if windows has everything linux has and linux doesnt have what windows has then why would people switch to linux from windows? |
| 08:06.09 | canllaith | I think he's up to a counter-counter rant, eh brucehoult ? |
| 08:06.23 | Ripe_ | I need some tool like "Visual Chart" |
| 08:06.27 | Ripe_ | but it does not work :( |
| 08:06.31 | canllaith | What is 'visual chart' ? |
| 08:06.43 | chavo | I've been running KDE on my Windows laptop, but it runs under cygwin. |
| 08:06.44 | canllaith | What do you need the tool to actually -do- ? |
| 08:06.50 | brucehoult | canllaith: anything for a good slashdotting I guess |
| 08:07.00 | canllaith | brucehoult: ooh that's harsh |
| 08:07.19 | chimaera | slackd00d: thatS' short-eyed. i don't use linux becasue i think wintendo's ui sucks. i don't use it becasue i don't like it'S philosophy, lots of it'S mechanisms, insecurity and so on.. |
| 08:07.36 | brucehoult | canllaith: harsh about Locke? really? |
| 08:08.02 | canllaith | :P |
| 08:08.08 | Ripe_ | Visual Chart is a technical analysis and charting software which provides you with everything you ever wanted in such a program: |
| 08:08.12 | Ripe_ | RealTime, automatic trading systems, indicators, studies, quotes, different chart types, alerts... |
| 08:08.15 | Ripe_ | :) |
| 08:08.16 | chimaera | well, i screwed that sentence up.. |
| 08:08.34 | brucehoult | canllaith: I assume you'll take on the mantle of D ? |
| 08:08.54 | canllaith | you may assume what you wish, I wont stop you. |
| 08:09.02 | chimaera | i should either get some coffee or back to bed. |
| 08:09.09 | brucehoult | :-) |
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| 08:09.55 | slayerbob | well that was fortunate :) |
| 08:11.00 | canllaith | What was fortunate ? |
| 08:11.14 | slayerbob | aseigo missing the rant opportunity... |
| 08:11.16 | aseigo | me coming in. duh |
| 08:11.21 | aseigo | oh. damn. i missed it? |
| 08:11.30 | aseigo | someone set me up the log paste |
| 08:11.33 | canllaith | aseigo: if you go out then come back in we can time it better |
| 08:11.40 | aseigo | hahhaa... ok. |
| 08:11.42 | canllaith | and talk about you just as you walk in the door instead of just before |
| 08:11.43 | canllaith | ;) |
| 08:12.02 | canllaith | yay kdelibs done lets see |
| 08:12.08 | canllaith | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah sod |
| 08:12.16 | aseigo | and here i was going to share pictures and stuff. well stuff you all. |
| 08:12.24 | slayerbob | lol |
| 08:12.26 | brucehoult | greedy! |
| 08:12.30 | canllaith | usr/lib/qt/include/qvaluelist.h:561: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
| 08:12.34 | canllaith | I HATE HAL |
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| 08:12.47 | brucehoult | canllaith: temp, you think? |
| 08:12.53 | canllaith | stupid me |
| 08:12.57 | canllaith | not running teh sensor |
| 08:13.57 | aseigo | canllaith: wanna see a big ass icicle? planetkde.org |
| 08:14.02 | canllaith | k |
| 08:16.23 | aseigo | hrm. it fecked u pmy layout. |
| 08:16.43 | canllaith | hehehe |
| 08:16.53 | canllaith | can you sent peyton over here with the big ass chunk of COLD please? |
| 08:16.59 | canllaith | he can stand on my pc and stop my gcc segfaulting |
| 08:17.25 | canllaith | and um, I respecfully point out 'and yes, it's taller than my son' isn't much of a measurement ;) |
| 08:17.44 | slayerbob | :P |
| 08:18.25 | brucehoult | gawd |
| 08:18.42 | canllaith | and, I love the little drama that kicker & xembed are playing out there |
| 08:18.46 | chavo | you've been compiling KDE everyday, your processor just needs a break |
| 08:18.54 | canllaith | No, not every day |
| 08:19.08 | brucehoult | I remember wandering around Chicago for the first time in March '94 and looking up at the tall buildings and going ... fuuuuuck ... do those things ever break off? They would *kill* someone |
| 08:19.59 | slayerbob | lol |
| 08:20.10 | slayerbob | so you migrated to nz after that then brucehoult ? |
| 08:20.32 | aseigo | yeah, i got hit on the shoulder by a softball sized ice ball that slid off an office building some 5 years ago here |
| 08:20.32 | brucehoult | slayerbob: you might care to visit the northern parts of the country sometime... |
| 08:20.40 | slayerbob | heh |
| 08:20.55 | slayerbob | wait... you went to the us before travelling around the rest of nz ? |
| 08:21.23 | canllaith | damn, I have kdelibs/base/network/pim to update, koffice to build and then qtmozilla (tryin it again) |
| 08:21.25 | canllaith | poor hal :( |
| 08:21.34 | brucehoult | slayerbob: I've been all over the South Island. Many times. But, curiosuly enough, never between .. oh .. Easter and Labout Day |
| 08:21.38 | canllaith | and I'm not going to get it done before dave goes to bed ...... |
| 08:21.50 | brucehoult | *Labour |
| 08:21.59 | slayerbob | i am sure he can put up with a bit of noise from hal :P |
| 08:22.05 | aseigo | canllaith: heh.. i figured you'd comment on the size thing =P |
| 08:22.08 | canllaith | no he wanted him shut down last night |
| 08:22.19 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 08:22.22 | canllaith | aseigo: good to know I'm predictable |
| 08:22.25 | slayerbob | prolly just need to put more vodka in him |
| 08:22.36 | chavo | canllaith, have you built qt mozilla before? |
| 08:22.43 | canllaith | lol - hal or dave? I want my kde to RUN! :P |
| 08:22.50 | canllaith | chavo: more than once |
| 08:22.57 | kendrick | anyone here tried it? |
| 08:23.04 | brucehoult | oooh |
| 08:23.16 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/screenshots/kde/qt-firefox2.png |
| 08:23.16 | brucehoult | canllaith: you just *have* to program your computer to say... |
| 08:23.22 | brucehoult | "I'm sorry Dave, ..." |
| 08:23.24 | chavo | hmm, I've only tried it once, but it wouldn't compile. |
| 08:23.26 | canllaith | hahaha |
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| 08:23.28 | canllaith | at like 3am |
| 08:23.29 | aseigo | canllaith: btw, i used one of your screenies to make a mac friend die |
| 08:23.30 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 08:23.33 | brucehoult | ".. but I can't do that" |
| 08:23.34 | kendrick | canllaith: ooh! |
| 08:23.36 | aseigo | canllaith: i had him on the ropes with a demo of amarok |
| 08:23.37 | canllaith | aseigo: oooooooooooooh do tell doo telllllllllll :):) |
| 08:23.44 | canllaith | Nice! |
| 08:23.46 | aseigo | canllaith: and then knocked him out with the translucency picture |
| 08:23.49 | aseigo | mwuahhaha |
| 08:23.50 | kendrick | i'd tell my wife to use that, since she uses ffox, but i think she likes her ffox themes :^P |
| 08:24.01 | canllaith | That was the screenshot my possibly future boss said 'You're missing your calling, you should be selling KDE to mac users for the asthetics' |
| 08:24.21 | canllaith | lol unless your wife likes beating her head against mozilla and kde cvs, it's not a good idea |
| 08:24.23 | kendrick | what's the pager at the top, OOC? |
| 08:24.29 | canllaith | Kpager |
| 08:24.31 | kendrick | canllaith: no, she does not ;) |
| 08:24.52 | canllaith | That is really boring stock standard kde 3.3.1, before I got corrupted by phil & lauri |
| 08:24.53 | kendrick | ah, just w/o window title/borders |
| 08:24.54 | kendrick | got it |
| 08:25.08 | canllaith | :D |
| 08:25.23 | canllaith | Although, you do nothing but whine about it! |
| 08:25.25 | kendrick | hehehe |
| 08:25.30 | canllaith | (Well ok, I lie. You have said you liked it a few times) |
| 08:25.32 | kendrick | my wife gets pissed when i apt-get upgrade |
| 08:25.40 | kendrick | cuz crap kept breaking in debian/testing >:^P |
| 08:25.42 | canllaith | my boyfriend gets no choice |
| 08:25.49 | canllaith | he has 'magical upgrade pixies' |
| 08:25.52 | kendrick | my wife gets no choice :) |
| 08:25.58 | kendrick | she did pick her own laptop though |
| 08:25.59 | kendrick | got it off ebay |
| 08:26.01 | canllaith | doesn't he slayerbob ?:P |
| 08:26.03 | kendrick | she loves her laptop :) |
| 08:26.17 | kendrick | okay, time to actually LOOk at ktoon... |
| 08:26.18 | brucehoult | ok, so now that I've copied my 14 GB of mp3s from my iPod to the Linux box's hard disk ... what program do you recommend I run there? |
| 08:26.24 | canllaith | to do what? |
| 08:26.25 | canllaith | oh baby |
| 08:26.26 | canllaith | amarok! |
| 08:26.27 | aseigo | well, b-time for bonzo.. g'nite peeps. love you all. |
| 08:26.32 | canllaith | Nite aseigo :) |
| 08:26.34 | brucehoult | do I have it? |
| 08:26.37 | canllaith | brucehoult: maybe |
| 08:26.42 | kendrick | cya aseigo |
| 08:26.45 | brucehoult | yep |
| 08:26.49 | canllaith | if not, I can send you a bin for your glibc/kde version |
| 08:27.12 | kendrick | damn this has a crazy UI |
| 08:27.28 | kendrick | no! MDI!!!!!! |
| 08:27.59 | brucehoult | "sorry the requested engien could nto be loaded" :-( |
| 08:28.06 | brucehoult | wants OSS by the look :-( |
| 08:28.08 | canllaith | go look in engins |
| 08:28.10 | canllaith | engines* |
| 08:28.13 | canllaith | and see what it loaded. |
| 08:28.31 | canllaith | you prolly want arts, until I set up dmix for you |
| 08:28.47 | CyrusPY | kjobviewer, anyone? |
| 08:28.51 | brucehoult | it doesn't do alsa? |
| 08:28.52 | canllaith | * erase and rewind... cause I've been changing my mind... erase and rewind... * |
| 08:29.10 | canllaith | brucehoult: ultimately, everything on your system is 'doing' alsa |
| 08:29.17 | canllaith | It can do gstreamer, xine or arts |
| 08:29.22 | brucehoult | um .. and I don't see any "engines" thing |
| 08:29.24 | brucehoult | where si that? |
| 08:29.24 | canllaith | You probably want to use arts. |
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| 08:29.33 | canllaith | ummm Settings -> configure amarok |
| 08:29.34 | canllaith | engines |
| 08:29.41 | brucehoult | ok |
| 08:30.03 | brucehoult | have a choice of xine or GStreamer |
| 08:30.25 | canllaith | interesting you should have arts |
| 08:30.37 | canllaith | ok I'll rebuild your amarok, can you IM me your ip again? :):) |
| 08:30.40 | kendrick | shit this thing uses opengl so it's SLOW |
| 08:30.45 | canllaith | for now try juk |
| 08:30.51 | canllaith | it's itunish |
| 08:31.06 | canllaith | Do you have juk? I don't recall |
| 08:31.15 | canllaith | poke about in Kmenu->Multimedia |
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| 08:31.31 | brucehoult | juk not in path |
| 08:31.40 | kendrick | apt-get install juk :) |
| 08:31.45 | brucehoult | lol |
| 08:31.51 | shevegen | heya, is is possible /are there keybindings for a window, to quickly switch whether it is always in foreground, or not? reason: I have a small console window open, and want to copy/paste stuff into it, but right now i have to move with the mouse cursor to sessions, then select this foreground, and deselect it again with mouse... would rather like to use key-bindings for this. sorry for the long note |
| 08:31.51 | canllaith | that doesn't work on slackware |
| 08:31.53 | canllaith | and it doesn't work on cvs head |
| 08:32.06 | canllaith | hang on bruce I'll poke aorund and tell you what you have |
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| 08:32.30 | Flendor | Hello. |
| 08:32.51 | kendrick | shevegen: 'always in foreground' as in 'always on top'? |
| 08:33.30 | slayerbob | hiya Flendor |
| 08:33.37 | kendrick | "Keyboard Shortcuts" under the Control Center (aka Preferences, if you have it as a menu in the K menu) might help |
| 08:33.42 | kendrick | It's under "Regional & Accessibility" |
| 08:33.45 | shevegen | yes i think so |
| 08:34.08 | Flendor | Hey there Bob, how goes? :) |
| 08:34.18 | kendrick | "Keep Window Above Others" is the action then, I guess... |
| 08:34.24 | kendrick | just give it a keyboard shortuct :) |
| 08:35.37 | shevegen | okies thanks |
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| 08:35.53 | kendrick | hth! |
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| 08:39.08 | PieD | hi |
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| 08:42.53 | Selecter | What syntax? |
| 08:44.21 | solsTiCe | i have set specific settings for a window. in which are these per-window settings stored ? I got konversation changing is size all alone every time a launch it. I don't know if it is a bug of konversation or kwin. ui just want to read the file were the settings are stored, just to look and eventualy erase old settings unused ... |
| 08:44.33 | solsTiCe | humm.. firstly hello |
| 08:44.56 | solsTiCe | in which +file+ |
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| 08:46.13 | Celestar | hi peops |
| 08:46.15 | Celestar | I'm running KDE 3.4b1 |
| 08:46.17 | Celestar | er .. |
| 08:46.19 | Celestar | b2 |
| 08:46.45 | Celestar | now when my system starts, kdm is loaded by default. It starts up, but doesn't take any keyboard input whatsoever |
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| 08:47.12 | Celestar | however the mouse is working. Then I select "Restart Computer" twice, which causes the kdm to shut down and enter CLI mode. |
| 08:47.32 | Celestar | there I log in as root, do "init 3 && init 5", kdm fires up again and is fully operational. |
| 08:47.40 | Celestar | how do I find the source of that problem? |
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| 08:49.02 | PieD | Celestar: wait for the next KDE 3.4 release :( |
| 08:49.06 | Flendor | Hello anders :) |
| 08:49.14 | Celestar | PieD: is that a known problem? |
| 08:49.34 | sredna | Hi Flendor , all :) |
| 08:49.55 | Flendor | How'S it going? |
| 08:50.03 | sredna | Fine, thanks |
| 08:50.05 | PieD | I think that it is |
| 08:50.14 | sredna | And you? |
| 08:50.15 | solsTiCe | Celestar: ay be check the keyboard config in xorg.conf (or XFree86.conf) or the keyboard config for root in kde control center (?) |
| 08:50.16 | PieD | because one of my friends had it |
| 08:50.19 | PieD | I had it too |
| 08:50.40 | PieD | and since a recent update of KDE it works |
| 08:50.55 | PieD | (we are using suse 9.2 => KDE CVS snapshot) |
| 08:51.16 | Celestar | solsTiCe: PieD: thanks |
| 08:51.26 | Celestar | PieD: I'm using SuSE 9.2 as well, but just the KDE rpms |
| 08:51.32 | solsTiCe | Celestar: or go ask some suse folks :-) |
| 08:51.33 | Celestar | possibly I'll do a CVS checkout later |
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| 08:52.51 | PieD | Celestar: they are available with APT4RPM |
| 08:53.38 | Flendor | I'm pretty fine :) |
| 08:53.45 | Flendor | Sorry, I missed that line of yours.. |
| 08:53.52 | Celestar | PieD: ah ok |
| 08:54.00 | Flendor | ..I'm using a client that doesn't highlight when your name is mentioned |
| 08:54.06 | Celestar | .oO(how would I disassemble/decompile a program?) |
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| 08:56.44 | PieD | One month to wait and KDE 3.4 will be released :) |
| 08:59.02 | Celestar | no b3 meanwhile? ;) |
| 09:00.21 | Ilpo | Do you know if extragears programs are released with KDE or not? |
| 09:00.44 | sredna | They are meant to be released seperatepy |
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| 09:01.57 | Ilpo | I localized krecipes... and hope that it comes with KDE or is available as rpm. |
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| 09:05.44 | sredna | Ilpo: I'm not sure how localizations of those apps are distributed |
| 09:09.18 | sredna | Ilpo: But judging from the just released version of KMPlayer (http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=10004) part of a release ofr an app is to update the localizations (look at the changelog) |
| 09:09.33 | chimaera | drrr, is there a channel where i might get help regarding udev/usb issues? |
| 09:09.53 | sredna | #linux I'd say |
| 09:12.30 | NOthsouth | how did I install KDE 3.2.2 on fedora core 3, I just download i386 folder fill w/ rpms .. |
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| 09:22.01 | chimaera | sredna: i'll try, thanks. |
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| 09:26.20 | canllaith | mmm I think amarok has gotten a wee bit less cpu hoggy |
| 09:28.11 | grepper | I feel like such a moron, I can't figure out how to get this Slot 1 processor and hs/fan out of this box |
| 09:29.02 | chimaera | grepper: a hammer? |
| 09:29.03 | slayerbob | grepper: chainsaw :) |
| 09:29.21 | shevegen | i am happy. the keybindings work :) |
| 09:29.22 | grepper | may have to use money |
| 09:29.39 | chimaera | slayerbob: well, i think that's oversized. :-p |
| 09:29.47 | sredna | Hi canllaith |
| 09:29.54 | canllaith | Hey there sredna :) |
| 09:30.05 | sredna | How are yuo doing? |
| 09:30.27 | grepper | I'd prefer not to also be pulling out ic's at the same time :P |
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| 09:34.49 | brucehoult | ok, so this amaroK is quite nice: http://www.hoult.org/bruce/covers.png |
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| 09:37.01 | ServerCrash | hi |
| 09:37.16 | ServerCrash | i have installed kde on fc3 |
| 09:37.23 | ServerCrash | everything is working fine |
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| 09:37.38 | ServerCrash | only problem is that when i do logout, it lands up in blank page |
| 09:37.56 | ServerCrash | i mean it doesnt go back to gdm/ login manager |
| 09:38.05 | ServerCrash | where as gnome works fine |
| 09:38.12 | ServerCrash | any idea what could be causing this |
| 09:38.26 | Stof | gdm is buggy ? |
| 09:38.58 | ServerCrash | well didnt had any problem with gnome |
| 09:39.03 | ServerCrash | easy login and logout |
| 09:39.09 | ServerCrash | its only with kde |
| 09:39.11 | canllaith | I'd look at how you set up gdm perhaps ? |
| 09:39.38 | ServerCrash | did nothing to gdm its the default one |
| 09:39.47 | ServerCrash | the fc3 default |
| 09:39.56 | ServerCrash | all i do is select the sesion as kde and do a login |
| 09:40.09 | ServerCrash | and when i try to logout it lands up into a blank screen |
| 09:40.34 | ServerCrash | then if i do ctl+ backspace the x server restarts and gets back the login page |
| 09:42.00 | canllaith | mmm |
| 09:42.12 | canllaith | I wanted to export my amarok collection to another pc and it's behaving a bit strangely |
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| 09:45.26 | ServerCrash | how to get shutdown option in kde |
| 09:45.29 | ServerCrash | all i get is logout |
| 09:50.26 | ServerCrash | other thing is how to setup kde as default option on fc3 instead of gnome |
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| 09:53.00 | ponto | ServerCrash: when kdm is your login manager, you will get a shutdown option |
| 09:53.31 | ServerCrash | how to set kdm as login manager |
| 09:53.47 | ponto | You might ask the Fedora peopel |
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| 10:01.58 | canllaith | oh! tag editing in amarok seems to actually work now |
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| 10:06.01 | brucehoult | .. especially since iTunes already has them right anyway |
| 10:07.56 | canllaith | Some of mine I haven't ripped from cs :$ so the tags aren't very good |
| 10:08.11 | canllaith | erm, cds |
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| 10:14.29 | LinuxNIT | hey guys i am useing fedora core and i just installed the rpm for a new kde theme. how do i load use that them now? |
| 10:15.17 | LinuxNIT | let me restate the question. How do i use the theme i just installed? |
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| 10:21.25 | sredna | The taskbar is misbehaved -- if I click on the task for a window that is not on top, it is minimized |
| 10:21.54 | sredna | If the task is in a group |
| 10:22.18 | sredna | @since some days ago |
| 10:24.12 | grepper | yes ! |
| 10:24.51 | grepper | this processor I rescued from scrap just more than doubled my processor speed |
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| 10:29.40 | shevegen | does one of you know where the keybindings are stored per default? |
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| 10:32.38 | cocozz | Hi, where is the Trash of Konqueror ? |
| 10:32.53 | _cerulean | cocozz: trash:/ |
| 10:33.31 | sredna | shevegen: Standard keys are in the code |
| 10:33.33 | cocozz | protocol not supported |
| 10:34.03 | sredna | cocozz: Then it is in the trash directory, you can find the path in the control center |
| 10:34.05 | shevegen | hmm yeah well what if i overrule some of them, and add my own keycuts? want to back only these up and put them on another pc |
| 10:34.57 | sredna | shevegen: Modifications are stored in a local copy (under ~/.kde/share/apps/<app>) the applicatins ui xml file |
| 10:35.14 | shevegen | oh |
| 10:35.53 | sredna | shevegen: I'm not sure where modifications to the standard keys goes |
| 10:36.15 | shevegen | yeah... cant find them... well i will keep on searching anyway, thanks :) |
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| 10:45.14 | chimaera | the media:/ protocol only shows me optical-drives (if a cd is inserted). can i convice it to also show storage-devices (usb/iee1394) somehow? |
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| 10:49.39 | guerby | hi, I'm trying to use knx to connect to a freenx server (all under suse 9.2), after setting things up on server and client, connect says starting remote session then nothing happens |
| 10:49.44 | guerby | what do I do wrong? |
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| 10:59.55 | Noldo | is there a way to integrate subversion in to kdevelop? |
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| 11:04.02 | sredna | It's allready done, afaik |
| 11:04.26 | sredna | Noldo: But you're better off asking in #kdevelop |
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| 11:04.54 | canllaith | Nice, I love this new kde 3.4 splash screen (although, the 'freeze' one was pretty too) |
| 11:05.10 | Noldo | done |
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| 11:05.55 | karunakar | hello all is there a kde-i18n channel? |
| 11:07.48 | sredna | karunakar: The closest you get is #kde-doc I think |
| 11:10.50 | karunakar | sredna: hmm, no one around there |
| 11:11.07 | sredna | karunakar: Sorry, #kde-docs |
| 11:11.20 | sredna | List claims there are 7 people in there |
| 11:11.32 | karunakar | i basically wanted to ask - where do translation for 3.4 go , in HEAD or KDE_3_4_BETA_2 ? |
| 11:11.44 | sredna | HEAD |
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| 11:12.30 | canllaith | heya lippel :) |
| 11:12.57 | lippel | hi canllaith. they do not? |
| 11:13.02 | canllaith | No :( |
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| 11:15.41 | karunakar | sredna: thanks, i hav already chekd in there |
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| 11:30.05 | flosch | hi |
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| 11:32.54 | Flendor | Hello. |
| 11:33.06 | PieD | hi |
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| 11:33.34 | PieD | A riddle : what is the name of the program which need more time than KDE to compile and do less things ? |
| 11:33.47 | PieD | Answer : |
| 11:33.50 | PieD | mozilla :p |
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| 11:34.00 | canllaith | PieD: heh |
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| 11:34.07 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/splash1.png |
| 11:34.12 | canllaith | mmm, this is a nice new splash |
| 11:34.22 | canllaith | I like it the best of all the ones I have seen I think |
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| 11:34.36 | PieD | the new splash is nice, yes ! |
| 11:34.39 | canllaith | :):) |
| 11:34.49 | sredna | Yay, sporting the new K logo :) |
| 11:34.55 | canllaith | :) yep |
| 11:34.56 | Flendor | New K logo? |
| 11:35.46 | rich_B | hmm, nice:-0 |
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| 11:36.54 | canllaith | Yep so new kmenu button, splash screen, new K logo everywhere |
| 11:36.59 | canllaith | in the documentation all the heaters |
| 11:37.00 | canllaith | erm |
| 11:37.01 | canllaith | headers* |
| 11:37.20 | Flendor | :D |
| 11:37.25 | Flendor | Let me see what it looks like.. |
| 11:37.35 | Flendor | Ooh, looks cool :) |
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| 11:38.07 | sredna | 2D is becomming cool, after a long period of 3D ... funny, right ;P |
| 11:38.22 | Flendor | Heh, I dunno, I like simplicity |
| 11:38.29 | canllaith | Here we go :) |
| 11:38.48 | Flendor | sredna - are there long-term plans to make KDE 3-d ? |
| 11:38.56 | PieD | canllaith: http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/uptime.png |
| 11:39.02 | PieD | which kernel ? |
| 11:39.02 | canllaith | PieD: yes? :) |
| 11:39.08 | canllaith | 2.4..... sod |
| 11:39.12 | canllaith | 2.4.24 I think |
| 11:39.28 | PieD | Flendor: no plan for 3D in KDE |
| 11:39.29 | PieD | thanks |
| 11:39.38 | canllaith | It has been upgraded now and rebooted |
| 11:39.50 | canllaith | That was taken the night before we rebooted it into new kernel ;) |
| 11:39.50 | Flendor | ..but what are we going to do if every OS gets a 3-D GUI in the future? :/ |
| 11:40.02 | canllaith | I don't see any other OS getting a 3d gui by default :P |
| 11:40.05 | PieD | no plan doesn't mean nothing ! |
| 11:40.18 | PieD | the only true 3D GUI I know is Looking Glass |
| 11:40.24 | sredna | Flendor: In kde 17.0, text in kate will be represented by a virtual ballet performing a dance that visualizes the meaning of your text |
| 11:40.26 | PieD | You can see looking glass on my website : |
| 11:40.27 | Flendor | Well Windows wil get one I think.. |
| 11:40.32 | Flendor | \o/ |
| 11:40.35 | rich_B | 3D seems less intuative than 2D:) |
| 11:40.37 | canllaith | sredna: LOL I am quoting you on that |
| 11:40.41 | PieD | http://pinaraf.robertlan.eu.org/site |
| 11:40.57 | Flendor | (The \o/ was to the ballet) |
| 11:41.00 | sredna | It will simply rock for programming... |
| 11:41.23 | Flendor | Hmm..why not give Konqi a ballerine costume..(Damnit there was a name for this fluffy skirt thingy :/ ) |
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| 11:41.29 | canllaith | tutu |
| 11:41.38 | canllaith | Flendor: http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/New-K.png |
| 11:41.46 | canllaith | Some more examples of new K ! |
| 11:41.47 | nh | Flendor: If you're talking about Longhorn, that isn't 3D, it's using 3D acceleration primitives for 2D rendering, and that's something that you'll (or can already see, actually) in X windows today |
| 11:42.02 | Flendor | Oh, yes, Tutu! :D |
| 11:42.06 | Flendor | Thanks canny :) |
| 11:42.21 | Flendor | Oh, nice. |
| 11:42.43 | Cerulean | PieD: How is looking glass with ATI cards? |
| 11:42.44 | Flendor | nh - Well I've never seen a Longhorn video or anything... |
| 11:42.52 | Flendor | I just hope KDE doesn't fall behind :/ |
| 11:43.07 | nh | I'm pretty sure that as soon as we actually know that going 3D on the desktop makes sense, KDE deelopers will be all over it :) |
| 11:43.15 | Cerulean | PieD: I was intending to give it a go but I hear scattered information about the support being bad |
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| 11:43.36 | PieD_ | re |
| 11:43.38 | PieD_ | [12:40:27] <PieD> You can see looking glass on my website : |
| 11:43.40 | PieD_ | [12:40:41] <PieD> http://pinaraf.robertlan.eu.org/site |
| 11:43.44 | PieD_ | [12:41:02] <PieD> Flendor: windows will get a 3D interface for marketing ! |
| 11:44.00 | Flendor | Ooh :) So this new KDE logo will be in 3,4, right? |
| 11:44.10 | canllaith | Yep yep |
| 11:44.10 | PieD | the marketing people will say : "3D interface" |
| 11:44.10 | Flendor | Nice thing I just installed Slack 10.1 then :) |
| 11:44.21 | PieD | but it is not 3D, I don't agree |
| 11:44.29 | Flendor | PieD - LOL, I just hate marketing people :) |
| 11:44.45 | PieD | I think that there are plans for KDE 4 to use more and more the new X technologies like Composite |
| 11:44.48 | canllaith | oh wow that looks so cool |
| 11:44.57 | PieD | this could allow nice effects |
| 11:45.02 | PieD | what looks so cool ? |
| 11:45.11 | Flendor | ...a computer shop's marketer tells to one friend that wants to buy 128 MB GF 6800 to choose a 256 MB GF Fx 5700 over it :) |
| 11:45.27 | nh | http://pinaraf.robertlan.eu.org/site/LG3D/galerie.php?photo=zoom.jpg <-- are these images scaled? I don't like that the fonts look blurry :/ |
| 11:45.30 | PieD | hey, it is my graphic card ! |
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| 11:45.38 | canllaith | Although I am too messy |
| 11:45.40 | PieD | nh : this is only a demo |
| 11:45.50 | PieD | it is not planned to be usable |
| 11:45.53 | canllaith | I would throw windows all over the desktop |
| 11:45.55 | canllaith | ;) |
| 11:45.55 | PieD | especially that demo-app |
| 11:45.57 | Flendor | :0 the 256 MB GF 5700? |
| 11:46.06 | PieD | that "help window" is not, and won't be usable ! |
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| 11:46.11 | PieD | the clock is usable :) |
| 11:46.13 | clusty | hey |
| 11:46.26 | Flendor | Hello klusty :) |
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| 11:46.34 | PieD | they will do a true help system later |
| 11:46.39 | Flendor | Mine is 128 MB too...and I think my next one will be 128 as well. |
| 11:46.40 | canllaith | but later this year I am getting a nice 256MB one for my desktop and hopefully upgrading to laptop that will have 128MB |
| 11:46.42 | clusty | what does this error message mean "Unknown protocol:file" |
| 11:46.45 | canllaith | rich_B: heh I have 4MB in my laptop |
| 11:46.45 | PieD | canllaith: GeForce FX with 256 Mb :) |
| 11:46.59 | clusty | I get it whenever i try to run some kde related stuff |
| 11:46.59 | Flendor | Canllaith - Get a 6600GT, I'd say |
| 11:47.10 | rich_B | canllaith:rage mobility thing here-mach64 heh |
| 11:47.11 | Flendor | Or a 6800 (but it's kinda expensive :( ) |
| 11:47.13 | canllaith | mm what was I looking at |
| 11:47.21 | canllaith | rich_B: mine is far worse :( neomagic 256zx |
| 11:47.58 | rich_B | canllaith: I get a DRM driver with exploits in it though ^^ |
| 11:48.13 | Flendor | Heey, PieD is a Francophone :) |
| 11:48.20 | rich_B | Although I think they fixed that |
| 11:48.21 | PieD | and ? |
| 11:48.24 | canllaith | which was I looking at |
| 11:48.27 | pjv | hi is there a way i can disable kwrited, cause it always pops up with Message from syslogd@prime at Sat Feb 19 22:47:24 2005 prime kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode. |
| 11:48.28 | canllaith | This one I think |
| 11:48.37 | PieD | join me at #kde-fr |
| 11:48.38 | canllaith | FX5700 256MB |
| 11:48.40 | PieD | I'm a bit alone |
| 11:48.55 | canllaith | pjv: Kcontrol -> KDE Components -> Services |
| 11:48.57 | Flendor | OK |
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| 11:49.27 | clusty | well guyz. anybody? |
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| 11:49.48 | Flendor | and.. well, nothing, it's just that I want to learn more French :) |
| 11:50.10 | Flendor | (Note: I'm not asking you to teach or anything ;) ) |
| 11:51.02 | pjv | canllaith: thank you ;) |
| 11:52.39 | canllaith | ok update kdenetwork/kopete then I think I will build koffice |
| 11:52.55 | canllaith | and I am not touching amarok now tag editing is workin :P |
| 11:53.01 | canllaith | it can stay frozen in version forever |
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| 11:58.14 | Flendor | I think I have to learn grub sometime.. |
| 11:58.24 | Flendor | I just don't understand a bit of it :/ |
| 12:00.10 | canllaith | What's wrong Flendor ? |
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| 12:00.51 | Flendor | Well, it's not wrong..but one day Slack might turn to grub |
| 12:01.11 | canllaith | heh |
| 12:01.23 | Flendor | And I don't want to caught unprepared :/ Well, I guess there's still time. |
| 12:01.25 | canllaith | Well, you never know. Probably when people are saying 'Gosh, that grub bootloader is getting old....' |
| 12:01.45 | Flendor | :) |
| 12:02.02 | Flendor | Hey, how's it going over there? What's Slayer doing? |
| 12:02.32 | canllaith | He's experimenting with squid on one of our servers |
| 12:02.33 | canllaith | oh dear :| |
| 12:02.41 | Flendor | Hey, that's a nice quote: |
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| 12:03.02 | Flendor | "Remember my child: Without innocence, the cross is only iron..Hope is only illusion." |
| 12:03.11 | canllaith | What song is that ? |
| 12:03.21 | Flendor | Hey, something went wrong? |
| 12:03.26 | Flendor | Nightwish - Bless the Child |
| 12:03.35 | Flendor | It might be part of a Christian ritual, I don't know :/ |
| 12:04.02 | guerby | hi, I'm trying to use knx to connect to a freenx server (all under suse 9.2), after setting things up on server and client, connect says auth ok, starting remote session then nothing happens |
| 12:04.08 | guerby | any idea? |
| 12:04.13 | Flendor | Hehe...whenever I see "squid" I don't think of the program, but the soft, wet, tentacly thing :/ |
| 12:05.28 | brucehoult | http://lyrics.songtext.name/Nightwish/Bless-The-Child-17236.html |
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| 12:08.59 | Flendor | hmm..seems like there's quite a bit of religious reference. |
| 12:09.15 | Flendor | BTW, how are you Mr. Hoult? How was the latest flight? |
| 12:10.32 | slayerbob | there's a tentacly thing named after squid ? |
| 12:11.07 | Flendor | Isn't squid a small octopus? *confused* |
| 12:11.29 | brucehoult | Flendor: I am well. But I haven't flown since last Sunday :-( |
| 12:11.34 | Flendor | Oh. :/ |
| 12:11.47 | slayerbob | brucehoult: otoh, it is sunday now :D |
| 12:12.06 | brucehoult | slayerbob: yes, but not *last* SUnday. Rather it is *this* Sunday |
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| 12:12.31 | slayerbob | brucehoult: ah but are the flights not a weekly occurrence ? |
| 12:12.54 | brucehoult | they can be. It depends on the weather and on whether I have anything else I really should do |
| 12:13.26 | slayerbob | gliding > other things :P |
| 12:13.44 | brucehoult | slayerbob: I didn't know you cared :-) |
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| 12:24.25 | m0ns00n | Hello |
| 12:24.33 | m0ns00n | I have a question regarding kwin |
| 12:24.33 | m0ns00n | :-) |
| 12:24.45 | m0ns00n | Is it possible to prevent windows from being moved outside the screen space? |
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| 12:26.00 | m0ns00n | Would be great if this was possible |
| 12:27.27 | robin | you can lock a window to a position at least |
| 12:27.34 | m0ns00n | Well, I mean |
| 12:27.52 | m0ns00n | My desktop is 1280x1024, and I don't want the windows to move out of the screen |
| 12:27.59 | m0ns00n | To constrain them within the view |
| 12:28.09 | m0ns00n | Like the desktop pager acts |
| 12:28.32 | m0ns00n | The desktop pages stays onscreen, except for the bottom of the screen |
| 12:29.01 | Flendor | I wish I could help you, m0ns00n, but I never tried that. |
| 12:29.06 | m0ns00n | Ok |
| 12:29.15 | m0ns00n | Kinda missed the functionality which were in AmigaOS |
| 12:29.41 | m0ns00n | Makes it much easier to move windows next to each other and get everything placed. |
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| 12:33.24 | sredna | m0ns00n: Kwin has a snappy mode, which means that windows will snap to each other as welll as screen borders when moved or resized |
| 12:33.42 | robin | I was just going to suggest that... |
| 12:33.44 | sredna | m0ns00n: It's not a constraint, but an aid |
| 12:33.53 | robin | set upp the zone to a huge value |
| 12:34.02 | m0ns00n | sredna: I have that on 20 pixels |
| 12:34.02 | m0ns00n | :-D |
| 12:34.15 | m0ns00n | It works great |
| 12:34.20 | robin | 100 pixels will make the window make a short pause before going offscreen |
| 12:34.33 | m0ns00n | robin: It does that even with 10 pixels |
| 12:35.08 | robin | it is more apparent with 100 pixels |
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| 13:10.09 | chimaera | the media:/ protocol only shows me optical-drives (if a cd is inserted). can i convice it to also show storage-devices (usb/iee1394) somehow? |
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| 13:19.21 | nsar | hi |
| 13:19.53 | nsar | to have everything under my control and restrict the users of what are able to do i need the kiosk tool? |
| 13:21.50 | sredna | nsar: http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin |
| 13:22.11 | nsar | thanks |
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| 13:31.12 | ataxic | I'm looking how to change the kmenu button to a rectangle shaped one, I have seen some sort of patch in the paste but I can't find it on the web anymore, is something like his already buildin or do I have to patch and recompile (kde3.3.2) |
| 13:31.35 | canllaith | You'll have to patch and recompile, and for the life of me I cannot find the patch anymore. |
| 13:32.24 | ataxic | damn, I think i saw it on some italian site who was providing that winxp style plus hacks |
| 13:36.36 | sredna | How about using a rectangular icon? |
| 13:38.19 | ataxic | well if that does the trick |
| 13:38.58 | ataxic | havent tried that because I'm assuming its not working because of the patching stuff I have seen |
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| 13:43.33 | PaT- | ataxic : something like this? http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=18223&file1=18223-1.png&file2=18223-2.png&file3=18223-3.png&name=Lipstik |
| 13:44.14 | PaT- | i hope not... because now i that i think of it... i cant remember where i put that patch... |
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| 13:47.58 | ataxic | let me check |
| 13:48.07 | ataxic | i found the hack i think |
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| 13:49.18 | ataxic | PaT-: yeh |
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| 13:49.44 | ataxic | I want a QNX like button, or atleast something close to it |
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| 13:52.57 | ataxic | http://www.speleoalex.altervista.org/download/rectangular_kde_start_menu-0.3.tar.gz |
| 13:53.02 | ataxic | PaT-: that one? |
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| 13:54.41 | PaT- | ataxic, yeah i used this... im starting to remember now... brb |
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| 13:55.11 | PaT- | ataxic, what version of kde do you use? |
| 13:55.16 | ataxic | 3.3.2 |
| 13:55.30 | ataxic | comes with slack 10.1 |
| 13:55.36 | ataxic | i dont mind recompiling |
| 13:55.56 | PaT- | ataxic, i understand you, takes three damn days :) |
| 13:56.12 | Flendor | Folks, what do I do to use the 2.6 kernel that comes with Slack 10.1 CD 2? Just point lilo to it? |
| 13:56.17 | ataxic | nah its a day for me |
| 13:56.40 | ataxic | Flendor: i tried on an older box but it didn't work, but that should do the trick |
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| 13:56.52 | Flendor | OK, will try. |
| 13:57.12 | Flendor | Also, I just installed Slack 10.1..However chickened out of the post-install configuration and under Win now. |
| 13:57.35 | Flendor | I only have to create a new user, install the new kernel, then configure xorg, and install nvidia drivers, no? |
| 13:57.49 | Flendor | (And then customization, but it changes for everyone..) |
| 13:58.02 | ataxic | yeh adduser |
| 13:58.19 | ataxic | and add video drivers if needed |
| 13:58.31 | ataxic | just 'startx' first maybe it work out of the box |
| 13:58.42 | Flendor | I don't like configurinh XOrg.. :/ |
| 13:58.46 | Flendor | I'll try. |
| 13:59.02 | ataxic | PaT-: its for : kdebase-3.2.1 |
| 13:59.08 | Flendor | Now downloading NForce drivers. |
| 13:59.21 | ataxic | i'll try anyway |
| 13:59.27 | ataxic | <-stubborn |
| 13:59.27 | PaT- | Flendor, when you install the new kernel package, also dont forget to also install the alsa modules package for kernel 2.6 |
| 14:00.34 | Flendor | Oh..Is that on the CD's, PaT? |
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| 14:00.55 | PaT- | its in the testing dir along with the kernel 2.6 packages |
| 14:01.01 | Flendor | OK, thanks. |
| 14:01.16 | PaT- | dont install kernel-header-2.6.10 pack though... not recommended |
| 14:01.23 | Flendor | OK. |
| 14:01.55 | PaT- | and one last thing... try upgradepkg |
| 14:02.51 | Flendor | Hmmm.. So I'll use "upgradepkg" instead of "installpkg"..OK. |
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| 14:03.39 | DexterF | hi. kopete problem: entered new contact in kabc. now kopete keeps crashing when that user comes online. uses icq5 |
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| 14:09.19 | sredna | DexterF: File a BR |
| 14:11.34 | Flendor | Hey PaT |
| 14:12.27 | PaT- | hey |
| 14:12.43 | Flendor | I'm going to boot under Slack.. |
| 14:12.50 | Flendor | Do some modifications, like add user.. |
| 14:12.57 | Flendor | Then install the new kernel. |
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| 14:13.26 | Flendor | After the compulsory reboot, I'll install alsa drivers, NVidia and NForce drivers and configure X. |
| 14:13.37 | Flendor | I guess I'll be able to get in KDE within an hour, hopefully. :/ |
| 14:13.40 | Flendor | See you! |
| 14:13.54 | PaT- | Flendor, when you add a new user (use the adduser command) dont forget to add audio,video,cdrom,floppy when it asks you about additionnal groups. |
| 14:14.12 | Flendor | OK, I will. (LOL, I'm not saying I will forget, but I will add ;) ) |
| 14:14.25 | PaT- | :)< |
| 14:14.37 | Flendor | BTW, I guess I'll ask for a second opinion in ##slack on whether just pointing lilo to new kern el will work. |
| 14:14.54 | PaT- | recommended :) |
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| 14:18.06 | PaT- | ataxic : check out kde-look.org tonight (check for Lispstik) I will update it and will put a patch for the rectangular kmenu button (even though its an horrible hack). |
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| 14:20.26 | DexterF | sredna: what do you know, it's already a know bug, but the solution makes me hurl: "fixed in kde 3.4". great. |
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| 14:20.41 | sredna | DexterF: Cool then :) |
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| 14:26.27 | DexterF | sredna: there's absolutely nothing cool about that - i need a fix for my stable release 3.3.2 |
| 14:26.35 | DexterF | not for some soon to be released beta version |
| 14:27.34 | DexterF | "bugfix for the current release? nah, wait til kingdom come for the next version, til then your production system lies bare or use other software" |
| 14:27.40 | ataxic | ow missed pats msg |
| 14:27.50 | ataxic | ah well I'll try his when this one fails |
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| 14:33.37 | DekanyZ | Hi! I try to use Kdevelop 3, and don't know where can i set up the libs, what i want to be linked! |
| 14:33.43 | DekanyZ | Do anyone know this? |
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| 14:36.32 | sredna | lauri_: Is there a way to make formatted markup in docbook, for examplifying purposes? |
| 14:37.04 | sredna | lauri_: I ask on behalf on dh_ |
| 14:37.40 | sredna | DekanyZ: You may have more luck asking in #kdevelop |
| 14:41.22 | lippel | DekanyZ: check the "automake manager" |
| 14:41.24 | DekanyZ | Yeah...but they are sleeping! :((( |
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| 14:54.09 | shurik | It's quiet here today |
| 14:54.26 | shurik | canllaith did you buy yourself some vodka for this weekend? |
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| 14:59.23 | bietch | greetings =) |
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| 15:04.50 | shurik | :)) |
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| 15:05.27 | slayerbob | it's only quiet if you don |
| 15:05.32 | slayerbob | t know where the noise is |
| 15:05.34 | shurik | About the other day, those 3 <censored> whom I had argument with complaint to my admin :)) |
| 15:05.41 | shurik | lmao |
| 15:05.46 | anisX | slayerbob: where is your honey money ? |
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| 15:06.04 | shurik | As if channel operators could not metigate the problem |
| 15:06.07 | slayerbob | already spent it on the honey |
| 15:06.20 | anisX | aha :p |
| 15:06.32 | anisX | slayerbob: kiss her for me pls!!! |
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| 15:06.45 | slayerbob | kiss the jar of honey ? |
| 15:06.46 | slayerbob | :| |
| 15:06.53 | anisX | grr.. |
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| 15:06.59 | anisX | slayerbob: your "honey"! |
| 15:07.03 | anisX | not the jar of honey |
| 15:07.08 | slayerbob | ohhhhhh |
| 15:07.11 | canllaith | your kasih! |
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| 15:07.13 | canllaith | your sayang! |
| 15:07.15 | canllaith | me, you goose! |
| 15:07.25 | anisX | ahaks canllaith ! |
| 15:07.25 | slayerbob | oh right |
| 15:07.27 | shurik | slayerbob have you notced that I arued only with 2-3 reghulars on this channel and not anybody else? |
| 15:07.29 | slayerbob | but i already did that |
| 15:07.36 | canllaith | ahaks ! adik gila :p |
| 15:07.47 | anisX | canllaith: yer kakak busuk! |
| 15:07.51 | slayerbob | shurik: can't say i ever noticed that you existed, let alone argued with someone... |
| 15:07.51 | canllaith | ahahaha |
| 15:08.11 | shurik | slay oki doki |
| 15:08.11 | anisX | canllaith: what are u doing ? fire up the kde ? |
| 15:08.41 | wolffc | Hi, can someone tell me, where mime-type/application associations are stored in KDE3.3? |
| 15:09.48 | slayerbob | (8) out of the tree of life i just picked me a plum (8) |
| 15:10.10 | slayerbob | so how is the python programming coming along anisX ? |
| 15:10.51 | anisX | slayerbob: ah..i dont start yet with coding |
| 15:10.58 | slayerbob | lol |
| 15:11.02 | anisX | i just install wxpython modules in my fc3 |
| 15:11.22 | anisX | slayerbob: im not expert like ya..takes time to code program in py |
| 15:11.23 | anisX | :( |
| 15:11.34 | slayerbob | i thought you started with it a few months ago |
| 15:11.57 | anisX | slayerbob: yes..i already start it..but coding in the design/implementation |
| 15:12.07 | anisX | and now im doing planning and analysis |
| 15:12.07 | anisX | :p |
| 15:12.09 | slayerbob | oh right |
| 15:12.10 | slayerbob | :P |
| 15:12.37 | anisX | slayerbob: wanna help me ? :p |
| 15:12.40 | slayerbob | lol |
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| 15:12.47 | slayerbob | i don't know python :( |
| 15:13.01 | anisX | slayerbob: same here..we can learn it together ;) |
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| 15:13.22 | anisX | slayerbob: you are good and know linux..im just nothing..but maybe on september i fly to NZ! |
| 15:13.23 | anisX | hoho` |
| 15:13.27 | slayerbob | but it's so much work to learn a new language :( |
| 15:13.40 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 15:13.50 | shurik | blollocks |
| 15:13.53 | slayerbob | you're going to fly to nz just to kick canllaith ? |
| 15:13.56 | anisX | slayerbob: so what are u doing right now ? fire up the physics thingy ? |
| 15:14.04 | anisX | slayerbob: yes..i think so |
| 15:14.05 | anisX | haha |
| 15:14.06 | slayerbob | fire up the physics thingy ? |
| 15:14.12 | shurik | if you know how to program in one or two langauges , 3rd one is easy pick up |
| 15:14.21 | anisX | or u want me to kick you too ? |
| 15:14.26 | canllaith | :O want kick me? |
| 15:14.33 | r00tsh3ll | lol |
| 15:14.34 | canllaith | but maybe I not be in NZ anymore adik ;) |
| 15:14.40 | anisX | grr! |
| 15:14.45 | anisX | where r u going sista ? |
| 15:14.51 | canllaith | maybe Sydney :) |
| 15:15.03 | shurik | Recently, I read an article that NZ official caught Isreali spies:) |
| 15:15.13 | anisX | ah okey..i still have uncle slayer and uncle Renze :p |
| 15:15.18 | shurik | I would ever be interested in going to NZ in first place:)) |
| 15:15.20 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 15:15.22 | slayerbob | i won |
| 15:15.33 | slayerbob | *i won't be in NZ either if canllaith is not here |
| 15:15.51 | anisX | uncle slayer and sista leave me :( |
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| 15:16.09 | slayerbob | well there is a good chance we could be back by around september anyways :P |
| 15:16.16 | slayerbob | depends on how things turn out :P |
| 15:16.24 | anisX | slayerbob: i want pizza! |
| 15:16.30 | slayerbob | me too :( |
| 15:16.35 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 15:16.38 | anisX | slayerbob: maybe i bring my pc there |
| 15:16.44 | anisX | install gentoo for me! |
| 15:16.44 | slayerbob | there are no pizza restaurants here :( |
| 15:16.48 | slayerbob | :| |
| 15:16.51 | slayerbob | gentoo ??? |
| 15:17.00 | slayerbob | :| |
| 15:17.00 | canllaith | lol I would install gentoo if you wanted it |
| 15:17.12 | anisX | slayerbob: nah..we can find pizza restaurants at NZ |
| 15:17.27 | anisX | canllaith: install is not enough for me though..teach me also |
| 15:17.28 | anisX | :p |
| 15:17.28 | shurik | canllaith would make pizza for you two |
| 15:17.40 | anisX | shurik: i hope so ;) |
| 15:17.57 | shurik | let's see if she's agreeing |
| 15:18.21 | canllaith | of course I would :P |
| 15:18.25 | slayerbob | :o |
| 15:18.28 | slayerbob | :D |
| 15:18.54 | slayerbob | hmm |
| 15:18.57 | anisX | canllaith: u dont like pizza ? |
| 15:18.59 | slayerbob | we have lots of mushrooms |
| 15:19.06 | slayerbob | and there is probably chicken in the freezer |
| 15:19.14 | slayerbob | -> chicken + mushroom pizza :D:D:D |
| 15:19.14 | anisX | slayerbob: cheese pizza is very good for me |
| 15:19.28 | slayerbob | well it would not be pizza if it did not have cheese :P |
| 15:19.33 | shurik | I don't think if you two get together will learn any python programming |
| 15:19.33 | anisX | haha! |
| 15:19.37 | shurik | :) |
| 15:19.47 | canllaith | mmm |
| 15:19.50 | canllaith | those mushrooms were for soup |
| 15:19.56 | anisX | slayerbob: just cheese..no mushroom..just put chicken over it |
| 15:19.57 | canllaith | mushroom & thyme soup with white wine |
| 15:20.07 | anisX | ngaa :D |
| 15:20.13 | anisX | i dont drink *wine* |
| 15:20.13 | slayerbob | okie soup it is then |
| 15:20.14 | anisX | hoho |
| 15:20.20 | slayerbob | i do :D |
| 15:20.20 | anisX | coke coke! |
| 15:20.33 | slayerbob | i do not drink coke though |
| 15:20.36 | anisX | ok..i fly to NZ now |
| 15:21.35 | anisX | slayerbob: your pizza and soup thingy make me hungry! |
| 15:21.36 | anisX | grrr |
| 15:21.37 | shurik | Do kiwis make good barbeque there? |
| 15:21.47 | shurik | in NZ |
| 15:22.00 | shurik | way better than chicken pizza, imho |
| 15:22.42 | anisX | shurik: where are u come from ? |
| 15:23.05 | shurik | rom cyberspace |
| 15:23.18 | shurik | :) |
| 15:23.18 | anisX | rom cyberspace ? |
| 15:23.19 | anisX | :/ |
| 15:23.31 | shurik | well, *from |
| 15:23.36 | anisX | i dont understand it..i found my english is very to communicate here |
| 15:23.47 | anisX | *very had |
| 15:23.50 | anisX | damn |
| 15:23.52 | anisX | *hard |
| 15:23.54 | shurik | :)) |
| 15:23.56 | slayerbob | heh |
| 15:24.09 | slayerbob | you seem to be doing well enough with the english :P |
| 15:24.22 | shurik | Your English is fine, beides, communication skills is what counts on irc |
| 15:24.22 | anisX | [genetics@owned azureus]$ ./azureus <-- how to edit the KMENU with this command ? |
| 15:24.48 | anisX | just dont use extreme english with me..lol |
| 15:24.59 | slayerbob | extreme english ? |
| 15:25.19 | anisX | slayerbob: sigh..see..u dont understand what i said |
| 15:25.19 | shurik | I'd teach eXtreme programming |
| 15:25.25 | shurik | once I know it myself:) |
| 15:25.47 | anisX | shurik: what kind of prog language do you exTreme ? |
| 15:25.47 | slayerbob | anisX: i understand just fine - i just do not know what extreme english is :P |
| 15:25.51 | shurik | Can you believe she's complaing about her English skills? |
| 15:26.10 | shurik | My English is far worst than yours, anisX |
| 15:26.19 | shurik | worse* |
| 15:26.22 | anisX | slayerbob: maybe weird english words dear |
| 15:26.58 | shurik | anisX eXtreme is well known among programmers |
| 15:27.07 | anisX | wahh..azureus rawks..downloading constantine right now |
| 15:27.13 | shurik | hit the search eggine and you'd find millions of queries on it |
| 15:27.38 | anisX | if i were good on search engine..i will not come here |
| 15:28.35 | shurik | www.extremeprogramming.org |
| 15:28.38 | slayerbob | ah so we're not good enough for you then ? you only come here for the help ? :P |
| 15:29.05 | anisX | haha slayerbob |
| 15:29.27 | anisX | i come here just not for help..i come here to slap you! |
| 15:29.30 | shurik | It's very theoritcal but it's always good to know different ideas |
| 15:30.08 | anisX | cries is good..i always cries when something wrong happened to my computer |
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| 15:30.16 | Flendor | Re. |
| 15:30.25 | infodroid | anisX: no no, just reinstall everything, no need to cry |
| 15:30.30 | anisX | welcome back Flendor !!! |
| 15:30.39 | Flendor | Thanks anis |
| 15:31.06 | anisX | infodroid: reinstall means i lost everything..but at least i can make backup the files into another hdd |
| 15:31.32 | anisX | many people dont like fedora..but i started linux with it about 6 months ago... |
| 15:32.19 | shurik | :) |
| 15:32.42 | shurik | don't listen to them all linux distributions about 90& the same |
| 15:32.56 | shurik | same software with different setup and policies |
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| 15:33.28 | anisX | shurik: i should listem to them..because "them" teach me how to handle linux dude |
| 15:33.35 | h3lios | hi |
| 15:33.41 | h3lios | i am trying to compile kdebase-3.3.2 on ppc, but the uic doesn't properly add includes for the kdewidgets in the auto-generated cpp-files. adding them by hand works, but i don't want to add hundreds of includes myself. any ideas? |
| 15:33.43 | anisX | heya h3lios =) |
| 15:33.51 | h3lios | hi anisX |
| 15:34.12 | shurik | anisX I see |
| 15:35.03 | anisX | shurik: i dont know nothing linux at first..but now at least i know how to use terminal :p |
| 15:35.49 | shurik | That's quite an ahcievment, anisX :) |
| 15:36.07 | anisX | shurik: yes i guess so ;) |
| 15:36.29 | anisX | i dont switch to windows for several months..that is pretty cool! |
| 15:36.31 | anisX | haha |
| 15:36.44 | shurik | I depednds, do y uwant to be an adminsitrator, testing and supporting linux distrubtions or just to use desktop appliciations\ |
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| 15:37.16 | shurik | If you want to know linux inside out build a distrubtion yourself, eventually . This will help to understand a lot about linux |
| 15:37.18 | mg_ | I have a error when running amarok: GStreamer-ERROR **: No default scheduler name - do you have a registry ? |
| 15:37.27 | mg_ | After this, amarok crashes. Any tips ? |
| 15:37.44 | chavo | mg_, run gst-register |
| 15:38.19 | anisX | shurik: yeah..thanks a lot for that information |
| 15:38.28 | StevenR | mg_: could try #amarok |
| 15:39.00 | mg_ | chavo, it helped, thx |
| 15:39.09 | mg_ | StevenR, will remember. |
| 15:39.15 | mg_ | cya |
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| 15:39.56 | shurik | anisX www.linuxfromscratch.org provides excellent documations o how linux distros are built |
| 15:40.17 | shurik | but it's boring , python programming would be more interesting:) |
| 15:40.30 | anisX | ahh python.. |
| 15:40.38 | shurik | and then there's ruby |
| 15:40.43 | anisX | i learned python with someone here..im grateful! |
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| 15:40.53 | shurik | very elegant, everybody loves it |
| 15:42.35 | Stof | shurik: not everybody, there are still some who find Ruby syntax weird and too close to Perl :) |
| 15:44.06 | shurik | too close to Perl? |
| 15:44.15 | shurik | you must be kidding |
| 15:44.39 | PieD | re |
| 15:45.01 | Flendor | Hi. |
| 15:45.01 | shurik | well, I don't think this channel is appropriate for such argument go to the relelvant channels and ask the guys who hang around there |
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| 15:46.08 | infidel | anyone here familiar with kradio |
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| 15:47.15 | infodroid | infidel: never used it, what is that |
| 15:47.42 | infidel | it's a radio program for my radio card |
| 15:48.49 | shurik | quiet again |
| 15:49.00 | shurik | everyone has gone about his/her bussiness:) |
| 15:49.18 | shurik | canllaith is making a chicken pizza?:) |
| 15:49.49 | canllaith | but konversation flashes a popup when someone calls my name |
| 15:49.57 | Cerulean | Why does Konsole not respond to the --noframe option? |
| 15:50.04 | Cerulean | Is it a bug? |
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| 15:50.18 | canllaith | No, it does respond to --noframe - it just doesn't make it -entirely- frameless |
| 15:50.21 | Roey | hi |
| 15:50.22 | canllaith | well assuming yours does the same as mine |
| 15:50.26 | Roey | From code, how do you get a list of a Konqueror session's open tabs? |
| 15:50.34 | Cerulean | canllaith: It use to |
| 15:50.45 | Cerulean | s/use/used |
| 15:50.50 | Roey | canllaith: hello (I'm still having trouble getting KDE's translucency working) |
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| 15:52.15 | Cerulean | Actually no, it has asolutely no effect |
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| 15:56.06 | shurik | where are those three *$&%$& who were shouting the other day? |
| 15:56.18 | canllaith | shurik: don't start again |
| 15:56.20 | canllaith | just don't |
| 15:56.27 | shurik | Must have gone to taker their computers out for a walk |
| 15:56.39 | shurik | canllaith I don't start it and I never did |
| 15:57.09 | canllaith | if you want to pick a fight, may I suggest #gentoo? :) |
| 15:57.41 | shurik | why do I want to pick up a fight? |
| 15:57.52 | shurik | #gentoo is not place to go either:) |
| 15:58.01 | shurik | dont' know anything about it |
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| 15:58.38 | shurik | I may just leave in peace here guys:) |
| 15:59.02 | shurik | It looks like it's boring get together for 5-6 people |
| 15:59.19 | shurik | see ya canllaith and everyone else:) |
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| 15:59.25 | anisX | bubye shurik |
| 15:59.26 | anisX | :) |
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| 16:02.16 | Cerulean | canllaith: http://cerulean.pyresoft.com/snapshot.png |
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| 16:02.26 | Cerulean | canllaith: The active konsole has been started with --noframe |
| 16:02.32 | Cerulean | Looks exactly the same to me. |
| 16:03.13 | canllaith | that colour scheme is cute, and I should redownload nuvola |
| 16:03.53 | canllaith | I can't see any bloody difference either on my machine |
| 16:04.01 | canllaith | launch konsole, use it to launch konsole --noframe |
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| 16:04.06 | canllaith | can't tell any difference - I'm using cvs head |
| 16:04.25 | Cerulean | beta2 here |
| 16:04.46 | canllaith | looks so clean and crisp on your screenie |
| 16:05.21 | Cerulean | Yeah |
| 16:05.28 | Cerulean | nuvola is pretty cool |
| 16:06.45 | PhilOut | --noframe doesn't work here either, although --noscrollbar and --notabbar do |
| 16:07.33 | Cerulean | Yeah - I usually go for the transparent borderless Konsole look |
| 16:07.43 | Cerulean | but upgraded to 3.4-beta2 and saw it doesn't work anymore |
| 16:07.55 | PhilRod | you can probably get rid of it with 'kstart' or the window menu |
| 16:08.03 | Cerulean | No, already tried |
| 16:13.52 | PhilRod | http://users.ox.ac.uk/~chri1802/stuff/konsole-borderless.png |
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| 16:13.58 | PhilRod | I can get that much - is that what you want? |
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| 16:14.49 | Cerulean | I can get that far, it's just the frame :-) |
| 16:15.44 | PhilRod | oh, that little remaining bit of frame? I see |
| 16:16.07 | PhilRod | so that's what the --noframe option should remove |
| 16:16.21 | chavo | --noframe isn't working here either |
| 16:17.32 | Cerulean | I'll file a bug report and see if I can write a quick patch |
| 16:17.40 | PhilRod | cool |
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| 16:28.47 | nsar | i am using the kiosktool of waldo bastian and i am trying to lockdown completly the icons on the screen so users cannot change any icons but it seems that the option for locking down the icons do nothing |
| 16:28.52 | nsar | any idea why? |
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| 16:36.21 | canllaith | oh man, that's really awkward |
| 16:36.29 | canllaith | damn where is aseigo when you want him |
| 16:36.41 | nsar | canllaith: you have addressed to me? |
| 16:36.51 | canllaith | No. |
| 16:36.57 | nsar | ah ok |
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| 16:39.15 | charolastra | hi |
| 16:42.26 | charolastra | can i somehow define a key shortcut which inserts smilies (i.e. a defined string) on the cursor position? |
| 16:43.23 | PieD | charolastra: it is possible with khotkeys |
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| 16:44.36 | PhilRod | hrm, does khotkeys have any docs? |
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| 16:44.54 | PhilRod | it looks like something really cool that could do with promotion |
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| 16:45.19 | rabauke | Does anybody know whether the new Logitech mouse module is already available in beta2? |
| 16:45.24 | s3m10s | i thought you had to use konversation to get in here |
| 16:45.26 | rabauke | I cannot find it in kcontrol |
| 16:45.34 | s3m10s | it is. but its a pain in the ass to get it to work |
| 16:46.09 | s3m10s | you have to install libusb and libusb-devel to get it to compile |
| 16:46.44 | minahd | I'm trying to konstruct 3.4b2 and i'm getting the following error: /bin/sh: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 16:46.48 | s3m10s | and unless you use a really newer model, it doesn't do much |
| 16:46.53 | minahd | is this common? or am i just special in some way |
| 16:47.14 | canllaith | if you're on a linux it's damn near impossible |
| 16:47.20 | s3m10s | I never saw it |
| 16:47.31 | richmoore | http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/khotkeys/ has some docs |
| 16:47.37 | minahd | hmm, konstruct hates me |
| 16:47.39 | PieD | minahd: which distribution ??? |
| 16:47.45 | minahd | Gentoo |
| 16:47.52 | canllaith | Do you have sh installed? |
| 16:48.02 | minahd | my /bin/sh is -s to /bin/bash |
| 16:48.08 | canllaith | and are you being some strange user or using chroot or something? |
| 16:48.13 | canllaith | Yeah that's cool |
| 16:48.24 | minahd | nope, i'm just in my normal shell |
| 16:48.27 | minahd | as me |
| 16:48.35 | canllaith | Interesting |
| 16:48.44 | rabauke | s3m10s: At least the battery status would help a lot |
| 16:48.49 | canllaith | try just popping a little shell script in your home dir that does |
| 16:48.58 | s3m10s | well, that's about what works. |
| 16:49.00 | canllaith | echo 'This is working!' |
| 16:49.04 | canllaith | and then sh shellscript |
| 16:49.09 | minahd | sec |
| 16:49.11 | s3m10s | I think its not even at beta status yet. its just too much a pain |
| 16:49.22 | canllaith | If that doesn't work I'd suggest ls -lah /bin/sh to make sure the symlink isn't broken or the permissions aren't dodgy |
| 16:49.31 | minahd | that worked |
| 16:49.35 | rabauke | I use the suse packages and it's not in there, shold it be an extra tab in the mouse kcontrol module? |
| 16:49.59 | rabauke | s3m10s: It has green status on the feature plan |
| 16:50.04 | minahd | canllaith: that worked for me just fine |
| 16:50.17 | canllaith | minahd: iiiiiinteresting. In that case |
| 16:50.25 | canllaith | is the script sh is trying to execute in that dir? |
| 16:50.25 | minahd | canllaith: declare war on konstruct? |
| 16:50.27 | minahd | oh |
| 16:50.40 | minahd | i'm just following the instructions |
| 16:50.45 | s3m10s | it just took me an hour to get it to install |
| 16:50.46 | canllaith | Just have a look |
| 16:50.48 | minahd | cd meta/kde;make |
| 16:50.49 | canllaith | :) |
| 16:51.03 | s3m10s | it wou.d be more usefull with a applet i think |
| 16:51.05 | canllaith | 'bad interpreter' that's bizzare |
| 16:51.07 | canllaith | mmm |
| 16:51.30 | minahd | there is no configure in meta/kde |
| 16:51.53 | minahd | and there isn't one in the konstruct main dir, either |
| 16:52.13 | canllaith | Give me a moment, I'll look at the source tree |
| 16:52.24 | minahd | actually |
| 16:52.28 | minahd | i just did: find | grep configure |
| 16:52.40 | canllaith | That wont do much :) |
| 16:52.49 | minahd | i know, i'm just trying to find any occurence of it |
| 16:53.03 | minahd | there's on in kdebase and kdelibs, arts and glib |
| 16:53.04 | minahd | but that's it |
| 16:53.28 | s3m10s | i got bad interpreter like that when I was compiling something in single user mode |
| 16:53.58 | canllaith | So you've downloaded |
| 16:53.58 | minahd | i did google searches on it, but none that i found seemed to help |
| 16:54.35 | minahd | konstruct-unstable.tar.bz2 |
| 16:54.36 | rabauke | Could it be that features got removed from the 3.4 feature plan? |
| 16:54.51 | minahd | unstable might be the keyword, here |
| 16:55.10 | rabauke | I cannot find: make login manager themeable anymore |
| 16:55.34 | s3m10s | sometimes your menu editor botches that stuff up. |
| 16:55.48 | s3m10s | delete ~/.config/* and then restart |
| 16:56.00 | canllaith | Don't delete anything please |
| 16:56.05 | s3m10s | haha |
| 16:56.07 | canllaith | Just move the directory to dirname-bak |
| 16:56.10 | s3m10s | back it up first |
| 16:56.13 | canllaith | Then you don't lose data |
| 16:56.35 | s3m10s | theoretically deleting that configrc shouldn't loose anything. |
| 16:56.54 | canllaith | Except any custom menu modifications someone might have slaved over ;) It's possible. |
| 16:57.16 | s3m10s | true. |
| 16:57.30 | minahd | maybe i'll just wait until 3.4 gets released |
| 16:58.29 | s3m10s | the worst problem with beta 2 is kompmgr. its going to be killer, but its pretty bugginf right now |
| 16:58.44 | canllaith | Check that all the configure scripts have execute permission on them |
| 16:58.52 | canllaith | find . | grep configure | xargs chmod +x |
| 16:58.53 | minahd | ok |
| 16:58.59 | canllaith | :) that might help, we can hope |
| 16:59.10 | minahd | that'll make my configure.in's +x? |
| 16:59.12 | minahd | i guess it don't matter |
| 16:59.23 | canllaith | It wont hurt them and I'm lazy at 5:50 am :P |
| 16:59.47 | minahd | same |
| 17:01.36 | minahd | and they are owned by my user |
| 17:02.07 | minahd | aw, well. i think i'll just wait for 3.4 release. it's not too far away anyway, right? |
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| 17:02.16 | canllaith | mid march |
| 17:02.21 | canllaith | no gentoo ebuild of the beta 2 ? |
| 17:02.27 | minahd | hmm |
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| 17:03.32 | minahd | i can't find it, but probably not, since portage would install it globally unlike konstruct which would just install it for my user |
| 17:03.45 | canllaith | True, but they get different slots |
| 17:03.50 | canllaith | there was an ebuild for beta 1 iirc |
| 17:04.28 | minahd | bah, only a month to wait. and then however long for KDE4 :p which is what i'm waiting for. |
| 17:04.42 | s3m10s | I'm running the beta as my main system. I don't think i have another window manager |
| 17:04.45 | canllaith | heh a little while. |
| 17:04.54 | canllaith | I'm running current CVS head |
| 17:04.59 | PieD | CVS too |
| 17:05.01 | canllaith | I think I have xfce on here for emergencies |
| 17:05.04 | PieD | compiled by suse folks |
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| 17:05.36 | canllaith | I noticed on cvs up'ing today the cvs freeze splashscreen was replaced by a nice new shiney one |
| 17:05.48 | minahd | i tried to do CVS head, but i couldn't find instructions that told me exactly what to type. |
| 17:06.02 | canllaith | lol it's pretty trivial and the instructions are there. |
| 17:06.04 | minahd | i'm not a newbie, but i'm not familiar with some of this stuff |
| 17:06.21 | minahd | hmm, lemme look again |
| 17:06.24 | s3m10s | actually I have windowmaker for emergencies. |
| 17:06.44 | canllaith | I wonder if the bot knows about it |
| 17:06.46 | canllaith | apt: cvs |
| 17:06.47 | apt | cvs stands for concurrent versions systems. more info here http://www.cvshome.org/. The asterisk CVS can be found at http://asterisk.espia-net.net/horde/chora/cvs.php |
| 17:06.52 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 17:06.54 | canllaith | ok ignore the bot |
| 17:06.57 | minahd | lol |
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| 17:07.10 | canllaith | http://developer.kde.org/source/anoncvs.html |
| 17:07.28 | canllaith | That's what you'd want, and then compile KDE is just generic for cvs sources |
| 17:07.40 | canllaith | make -f Makefile.cvs; ./configure --options; make; make install etc. |
| 17:08.22 | s3m10s | gotta love american ginger snaps |
| 17:08.22 | minahd | as root, i imagine |
| 17:08.35 | canllaith | Depends if the prefix or any other option requires it |
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| 17:08.52 | canllaith | I tend to make DESTDIR=/pkgroot install then tar it up as a user and ship it off to other machines |
| 17:08.58 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/screenies/New_KDE_Splash.png |
| 17:09.07 | s3m10s | I use destdir=/opt/kde |
| 17:09.10 | canllaith | rather cute new splash screen. At least, I think so :) |
| 17:09.20 | minahd | oh, i saw that on kde-look |
| 17:09.25 | canllaith | --prefix and DESTDIR are rather different..... |
| 17:09.26 | s3m10s | than copy it to other machines |
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| 17:09.32 | canllaith | fair enough s3m10s :) |
| 17:09.40 | s3m10s | , i use prefix, your right. |
| 17:09.52 | s3m10s | hell, what do I know. I havent' been messing with linux that long |
| 17:09.57 | canllaith | hehehe |
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| 17:10.13 | s3m10s | I don't even know how to use cvs. but I do learn fast. I'm an evil geniuus |
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| 17:10.51 | canllaith | mmm I probably should remove things like my shopping list etc from the webserver |
| 17:10.58 | s3m10s | haha |
| 17:11.50 | apollo2011 | Is anyone here familiar with Captive NTFS? I am trying to use it get write access to my NTFS partitions but I can't get them mounted |
| 17:12.07 | s3m10s | it is kinda screwy |
| 17:12.19 | s3m10s | I'm running it but it is really good at letting you loose all changes |
| 17:12.32 | s3m10s | it can't hadnle more than 1 gig files either |
| 17:14.17 | s3m10s | does it give you an error while trying to mount them? |
| 17:14.34 | minahd | i like your screenshots |
| 17:14.38 | minahd | of beta2 |
| 17:14.49 | canllaith | mmmm ? |
| 17:14.52 | s3m10s | mount -t captive-static /dev/hda2 /mnt/captive-data ? |
| 17:15.59 | minahd | oh man, i love the transluscency and shadows |
| 17:17.07 | canllaith | Alethes is finishing up bluecurve icon set for KDE since it's not very complete |
| 17:17.47 | canllaith | ( grep canllaith /var/log/httpd/access | tail ) |
| 17:17.49 | canllaith | ;) |
| 17:18.49 | s3m10s | there are some kewl icon sets on kde-look. |
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| 17:22.51 | minahd | yes, i'm being snoopy |
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| 17:23.05 | EzoNaan | Hello.. I need some help with KCheckGmail.. I enter my password in it, close the config dialog down, and when i open it up again.. my password appears as 3 ***, but its actually much longer. |
| 17:23.07 | canllaith | and you're using w2k ? :\ |
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| 17:23.14 | minahd | i most certainly am not |
| 17:23.16 | minahd | oh |
| 17:23.25 | minahd | maybe i set my browser identification to win2k |
| 17:23.28 | minahd | rofl |
| 17:23.30 | canllaith | oh of course heh |
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| 17:23.32 | minahd | i was trying to do some workarounds |
| 17:24.18 | minahd | lol |
| 17:24.31 | canllaith | however, the 'about' dialog and the uptime most definitely are. |
| 17:24.41 | canllaith | Me on a mac? Never, you're hallucinating. |
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| 17:25.24 | rich_B | only 40 days on my router:( hehe |
| 17:25.30 | s3m10s | i was surprised what underneath all that mac spiffy stuff. a good ole linux base |
| 17:25.42 | minahd | hmm |
| 17:25.44 | canllaith | that screenie reminds me |
| 17:25.46 | minahd | you didn't know that? |
| 17:25.47 | rich_B | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.48 | canllaith | I should finish documenting konstruct |
| 17:25.53 | minahd | oh |
| 17:25.55 | canllaith | and it's actually BSD and not linux :) |
| 17:25.55 | rich_B | big loads:) |
| 17:26.03 | s3m10s | I did when i started setting up cups and samba! |
| 17:26.32 | s3m10s | I thought it was darwin |
| 17:26.38 | rich_B | canllaith: which bsd ? |
| 17:26.40 | canllaith | darwin is not linux |
| 17:27.06 | canllaith | Darwin is a BSD style unix :) |
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| 17:27.09 | s3m10s | well, I'll concede you that. :> |
| 17:27.11 | rich_B | canllaith: 5.3 freebsd here, tried it on my laptop, but it didnt get on:0 |
| 17:27.39 | canllaith | rich_B: I use Slackware linux myself, and occasionally am forced to use Darwin/BSD through no fault of my own |
| 17:27.48 | canllaith | and there are a few redhat and freebsd boxes lying around the place |
| 17:28.25 | rich_B | canllaith: using arch on my laptop, compiling is painfull for it:) |
| 17:28.42 | canllaith | All I build by hand are kernels, qtmozilla and KDE cvs head |
| 17:28.49 | canllaith | I don't have TIME for anything else heh |
| 17:29.02 | s3m10s | I run the same distro on mydesktop and laptop, so I can compile on the fast machine and then install with out losing time or melting the laptop |
| 17:29.09 | canllaith | I use slackware current packages or do with out. |
| 17:29.21 | canllaith | s3m10s: indeed, although I'm lazy with upgrading |
| 17:29.28 | rich_B | Well on freebsd 5.3 it took 23 hours to build a kde package |
| 17:29.43 | canllaith | So we have a slack 9.1 desktop, a slack 10 laptop, a slack 10 desktop and a slack 10.1 laptop |
| 17:29.46 | s3m10s | wow. that's slow. what cpu is that? |
| 17:30.02 | rich_B | p3 600 is a little underpowered;) I should upgrade but I like this laptop:) |
| 17:30.05 | s3m10s | I have a mdk 10.1 htpc, a 10.0 server, a 10.1 desktop and a 10.1 laptop |
| 17:31.01 | canllaith | From a 166Mhz to a 2.4GHz and everything in between heh |
| 17:31.02 | rich_B | Never really tried slackware:) |
| 17:31.14 | canllaith | I think we estimated we have 7 machines over 1GHz and that we were too lazy to count the ones under |
| 17:31.27 | s3m10s | where do you work ? |
| 17:31.32 | canllaith | hahaha this is at home |
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| 17:31.34 | rich_B | hehe |
| 17:31.37 | s3m10s | haha |
| 17:31.40 | canllaith | but I currently work at http://www.bryson.co.nz |
| 17:32.10 | canllaith | Hopefully not much longer :) |
| 17:33.29 | s3m10s | a page on the ndiswrapper . |
| 17:33.55 | canllaith | It is a wee bit out of date |
| 17:34.06 | canllaith | I need to fix it |
| 17:34.17 | s3m10s | its pretty easy to use now days. except stupid mandrake includes the module without the utils |
| 17:34.38 | s3m10s | so you can't load the ndis driver! ha |
| 17:34.43 | canllaith | Yup, although I'm still using 0.11 since any later version simply refuses to work with my card. |
| 17:34.48 | minahd | take care guys |
| 17:35.03 | s3m10s | really? i'm using 10 and it works great. can't turn if off though! |
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| 17:35.22 | canllaith | This version occasionally wakes my pc up from suspend |
| 17:35.38 | canllaith | which is a wee bit annoying since I often suspend when I'm low on battery and I don't want it to wake up by itself in the back of the car! :P |
| 17:35.51 | s3m10s | my supsend to disk finally works under kernel 2.6.8.10, so I don't suspend to ram |
| 17:35.51 | s3m10s | anymore |
| 17:36.00 | rabauke | is the X config file /etc/X11/XF86config, even for X.org? |
| 17:36.04 | canllaith | Suspend to ram is so fast I rather like it |
| 17:36.09 | canllaith | rabauke: no it is /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 17:36.51 | rabauke | canllaith: that one points to the former |
| 17:36.55 | s3m10s | me too, but it has malfunctioned a couple times recently. I just close the lid and let it suspend to disk now though. the wake up is fast enough, and I don't loose all the battery time |
| 17:36.56 | rabauke | is linked |
| 17:37.04 | canllaith | rabauke: ok, then it does not matter which you use eh? :) |
| 17:37.20 | canllaith | I use about 2 - 3 % of my battery suspending overnight |
| 17:37.25 | canllaith | So that's acceptable to me |
| 17:37.27 | rabauke | so why does translicency not work for me? :'( |
| 17:37.44 | jjazz | Does k3b rip CDs to MP3 or Ogg? If not, what ripper has a nice KDE interface? |
| 17:37.48 | s3m10s | how?! mine would use alot more than that |
| 17:38.06 | canllaith | jjazz: there is an audiocd ioslave that lets you rip by drag and drop |
| 17:38.07 | Theory | jjazz: there's kaudiocreator |
| 17:38.08 | canllaith | try audiocd:/ |
| 17:38.11 | s3m10s | you have to have xorg 6.8.2? is that right? |
| 17:38.15 | canllaith | in the konqueror titlebar |
| 17:38.25 | canllaith | addressbar* |
| 17:38.30 | canllaith | 6.8.X |
| 17:38.31 | rabauke | s3m10s:: It says >= 6.8 |
| 17:38.43 | jjazz | canllaith, Theory: I'll try them both. Thanks. |
| 17:38.48 | canllaith | s3m10s: I have no idea, what is your normal battery life? mine is 3.5 hours |
| 17:38.52 | s3m10s | with 6.8.1, mine wouldn't work. |
| 17:39.04 | rabauke | that would be an explanation |
| 17:39.12 | s3m10s | umm, right around 2 hours |
| 17:39.18 | jjazz | canllaith: audiocd protocol not supported. :( |
| 17:39.24 | s3m10s | you must have funcitonal speedsetep |
| 17:39.27 | canllaith | Mine worked with 6.8.0 but that was using xcompmgr and not kompmgr |
| 17:39.34 | canllaith | s3m10s: not at all, I have a 500MHz processor |
| 17:39.51 | canllaith | it is the last model that does not support speedstep! |
| 17:39.51 | s3m10s | ah |
| 17:40.07 | canllaith | So I use APM rather than ACPI, perhaps this has a difference too ? |
| 17:40.13 | s3m10s | well, my celeron doesn't support it. got a bad stepping i htink |
| 17:40.20 | s3m10s | maybe so. this uses acpi |
| 17:40.31 | canllaith | The acpi laptop I don't have suspend working on |
| 17:40.42 | canllaith | belongs to my b/f and he's very fussy |
| 17:40.58 | canllaith | If things do not work -perfectly- *rolls eyes* |
| 17:40.59 | s3m10s | understood |
| 17:41.04 | s3m10s | haha |
| 17:41.10 | canllaith | so he has no suspend, because if it panicked once he would be whinging. |
| 17:42.03 | s3m10s | sounds like my mom! |
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| 17:45.07 | s3m10s | lates |
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| 17:45.28 | hitu | http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=32187 |
| 17:48.06 | hitu | plays Title: ( Klopfgeister - Sweet Compromise ) Time: ( 0:03/5:19 (0%) ) BitRate: ( 256 kbit/s - 44100 Hz ) |
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| 17:49.29 | hitu | dammit |
| 17:49.49 | hitu | the file was named "copying" in my sources folder |
| 17:49.49 | hitu | hehe |
| 17:50.04 | hitu | just renamed it to caps and nows it working |
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| 18:01.54 | PieD | grrr, firefox ;) |
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| 18:09.49 | kapde | Hi, anyone knows how to override global language setting in order to test translations? |
| 18:10.19 | kapde | e.g in order to launch the app from command line |
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| 18:13.58 | LinuxMafia | ataxic: no i found it , i have to go to control center |
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| 18:14.09 | LinuxMafia | ataxic: and session manager |
| 18:14.18 | LinuxMafia | :P |
| 18:14.22 | LinuxMafia | thanks all |
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| 18:15.09 | bogigi | hi all, i have a very strange problem, my konqueror crashes after any action from mouse 'right click' menu. where is the problem? :) |
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| 18:15.22 | CapNemo | is there a way to restart the mediamanager in kde ??? |
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| 18:23.17 | StevenR | bogigi: what platform? |
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| 18:28.21 | _poison | hi ^^ |
| 18:30.50 | _poison | I have a question about kdevelop ... since there is already rough support for code completion, is it possible to have it parse the included libraries as well to have completion support for them ? |
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| 18:33.54 | bogigi | StevenR: debian testing/unstable |
| 18:34.39 | StevenR | bogigi: which would be what version of kde? |
| 18:34.51 | thiago | _poison: libraries aren't included |
| 18:34.54 | thiago | headers are included |
| 18:35.01 | bogigi | StevenR: 3.3 |
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| 18:35.23 | StevenR | bogigi: which 3.3? |
| 18:36.39 | bogigi | kdebase 3.3.2-1 |
| 18:36.42 | _poison | thiago: sorry for my wording, still is it possible to get completion ? |
| 18:37.28 | StevenR | bogigi: maybe a problem with the debain packages being compiled wrongly? have you checked with oterh debian users? |
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| 18:38.17 | bogigi | i looked in google for info, but didn't find anything about this |
| 18:39.48 | hitu | StevenR: wanna check out my konqueror crash log :) |
| 18:39.51 | hitu | am on debian too |
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| 18:40.13 | minux | You guys know of any really really boring black n' white icons? |
| 18:40.16 | StevenR | hitu: are you suffering the same issue as bogigi ? |
| 18:40.28 | minux | I haven't found anything on k-l.o |
| 18:40.44 | hitu | no but somethin like it |
| 18:41.05 | StevenR | hitu: pastebin the log, so we can look |
| 18:41.07 | hitu | when i try to change the default application for a program to run with |
| 18:41.09 | thiago | _poison: no idea |
| 18:41.13 | hitu | konq. crashes |
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| 18:41.42 | bogigi | my konqueror crashes for example after creating file from "rigth click" menu |
| 18:41.45 | hitu | http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=32193 |
| 18:42.02 | bogigi | if file is created from konq menu, it's all fine |
| 18:42.11 | hitu | doesn happen to me .. bogigi |
| 18:42.38 | StevenR | hitu: well it might be useful to a developer, but I dont know what most of that means sorry |
| 18:42.47 | hitu | hehe |
| 18:42.48 | hitu | okay |
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| 18:43.26 | scotepi | its been so long since i have done this, how do i get it so i have to double click stuff to open it? |
| 18:43.43 | hitu | heh .. it didn crash now. |
| 18:43.46 | hitu | strange |
| 18:44.19 | hitu | scotepi: i think its somewhere in Control Center |
| 18:45.32 | scotepi | thanks ;) |
| 18:45.36 | scotepi | any more specific? |
| 18:46.08 | c-101 | scotepi, control center |
| 18:46.10 | c-101 | peripherics |
| 18:46.11 | c-101 | mouse |
| 18:46.23 | scotepi | thanks |
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| 18:47.03 | ThisBullet | hi |
| 18:47.15 | ThisBullet | anyone know where i can find some different backgrounds for the taskbar. |
| 18:47.21 | ThisBullet | nice gradient ones? |
| 18:47.23 | scotepi | how do i get my forward and back buttons working? i have logitech mx 700 |
| 18:47.40 | ThisBullet | kde-apps.org ? |
| 18:47.43 | ThisBullet | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.00 | ThisBullet | can i have yer mouse lol :D |
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| 18:49.35 | hitu | forward backward |
| 18:49.36 | hitu | sounds cool |
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| 19:08.11 | oneforall | hi when are they goingf to make the left tree in konq showthe hidden dir(be able to enable it) sicks of having to open 2 konq just to drag and drop between 2 hidden dirs. was a long time ago whenit worked |
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| 19:08.51 | c-101 | oneforall, why don't you split the konqueror window? |
| 19:09.28 | oneforall | well why do that all the time thats as annoying as opening another , have it enabled and ti allways there a lot simpler |
| 19:10.07 | c-101 | well..... i woudln't like to have hidden dirs showed in the tree all the time (too much dirs) but... maybe it should be an option |
| 19:10.08 | c-101 | :-? |
| 19:10.48 | oneforall | it small enough looking in dirs with out making it samller too |
| 19:11.11 | oneforall | yeah to enable it just liek you do witht he right |
| 19:11.56 | c-101 | well.....post a wish in bugs.kde.org |
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| 19:16.34 | ThisBullet | anyone know where i can find some different backgrounds for the taskbar. |
| 19:17.15 | LinuxNIT-sleeps | hey guys i am useing fedora core and i just installed the rpm for a new kde theme. How do i use the theme i just installed? |
| 19:18.17 | Blissex | LinuxNIT-sleeps: if it was installed right, just use the Control Center to select the new theme. You may have to logout and login again... |
| 19:18.32 | LinuxNIT-sleeps | ok ill try that |
| 19:18.34 | LinuxNIT-sleeps | thanks |
| 19:18.39 | miqorz | http://www.sonymusic.com/artists/KrisKross/html/mackin.html |
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| 19:19.22 | terra1 | hello guys |
| 19:19.55 | terra1 | may someone answer me a kind of stupid question... what is the default font for kde that is set up the first time you start kde? |
| 19:20.43 | Blissex | terra1: that may depend on the distribution... I think that's usually Helvetica. |
| 19:21.09 | sredna | I think we lost him, to either bad connection or patience |
| 19:21.20 | sredna | Lack of patience I mean |
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| 19:28.00 | estel | hi |
| 19:28.55 | estel | is there a script that is executed before kde starts or that starts very soon after loading? |
| 19:29.32 | ponto | estel: thert |
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| 19:29.39 | ponto | there is an autostart folder |
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| 19:30.37 | richmoore | startkde is the earliest script - it starts all the components of the desktop |
| 19:31.08 | estel | ponto: my problem is: i'm using kiosk to forbid the user almost anything, but he can still delete the .DCOP... file, and that's not good if you want to start konqueror afterwards... |
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| 19:31.56 | estel | so I'm looking for a possibility to forbid writing this file - but if i do it before kde starts it can't touch that file and that's also bad :) |
| 19:33.31 | Blissex | estel: you can always change the permissions on the directory containing the file in an autostart script. |
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| 19:34.03 | sredna | estel: You can put scripts in KDEDIR/env/*.sh which will be sourced but startkde, or put a script in the KDEDIR/share/autostart folder which is run by kdesktop when started |
| 19:34.25 | ponto | when a user deletes his .DCOP... he does not deserve a working konqueror. |
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| 19:35.22 | PhilRod | estel: scripts in ~/.kde/env are run by startkde |
| 19:35.30 | PhilRod | apt: autostart |
| 19:35.31 | apt | autostart is probably http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/configure.html question 9.10 |
| 19:35.35 | PhilRod | estel: ^^ see there |
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| 19:36.01 | PhilRod | you could also modify the startkde script |
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| 19:37.20 | estel | when is .DCOP touched? |
| 19:37.47 | thiago | when dcopserver starts |
| 19:38.04 | estel | when starts dcopserver? |
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| 19:38.19 | thiago | when the first KDE application starts |
| 19:39.43 | estel | idea... |
| 19:41.04 | sredna | But why on earth would anyone want to delete that file? |
| 19:41.18 | estel | i replace dcopserver by script; that gives everyone the right to write .DCOP..., then starts the 'real' dcopserver (that i've renamed) and then run chmod a-w... ? |
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| 19:41.37 | estel | sredna: because some idiots like to ruin your system, because it is not their ... |
| 19:43.13 | PieD | Does somebody know something about plans for a search system (like Beagle) for KDE ? |
| 19:44.23 | PhilRod | it's called klink, or see a recent message on the kde-devel list |
| 19:44.36 | PhilRod | actually, klink may be something slightly different |
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| 19:44.52 | PhilRod | but there's a message on the -devel list about something similar |
| 19:45.51 | PieD | thanks, yet google works to find informations :) |
| 19:46.07 | sredna | Klink looks not like beagle |
| 19:46.23 | sredna | Beagle in the principle indexes file meta information + a text index |
| 19:47.03 | sredna | Klink looks like it will log more esoteric connections |
| 19:47.30 | sredna | PieD: It's allmost on idea level, nothing you can actually use yet |
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| 19:49.02 | PieD | I saw that on google :) |
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| 19:52.28 | PieD | kill gnome, kill gnome !! |
| 19:53.01 | PieD | sorry :/ I told it because it is too natural :) |
| 19:55.33 | Blissex | PieD: GNOME is a wonderful project, it makes KDE look even better :-) |
| 19:56.29 | PieD | yes :) |
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| 19:58.14 | kendrick | Blissex: haha |
| 20:00.39 | PieD | why did they do gconf ? |
| 20:00.42 | PieD | it is horrible ! |
| 20:01.00 | Blissex | this could apply to GNOME (or Gentoo): http://www.despair.com/mis24x30prin.html |
| 20:01.52 | Blissex | PieD: as to GConf, I recently had a terrible moment with it: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/swhwAnnotations.html#200502 |
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| 20:06.02 | kendrick | hehe, nice |
| 20:06.11 | kendrick | i think i saw this with something recently: The GTK 2 per-user theme file is called .gtkrc-2.0 even in the 2.2 and 2.4 released of GTK 2. |
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| 20:11.29 | UyCaRumBa | konqueror: ERROR: Error in BrowserExtension::actionSlotMap(), unknown action : searchProvider |
| 20:11.29 | UyCaRumBa | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.40 | SadEagle | UyCaRumBa: just ignore that |
| 20:13.18 | UyCaRumBa | SadEagle, but that is that message? |
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| 20:14.22 | MrGrim | rofl UyCaRumBa |
| 20:14.23 | MrGrim | hahahaha |
| 20:14.27 | MrGrim | that's an awesome nick |
| 20:14.46 | SadEagle | UyCaRumBa: dunno. |
| 20:15.14 | MrGrim | UyCaRumBa: thank you sir for a good morning laugh |
| 20:15.23 | illogic-al | i don't get it... |
| 20:16.06 | MrGrim | just the spelling mixed with the way it's capitalized and that I haven't heard that term since TMNT |
| 20:16.08 | MrGrim | I found it funny |
| 20:16.08 | UyCaRumBa | jjejeje ok MrGrim |
| 20:16.17 | UyCaRumBa | alguien aqui habla espaniol |
| 20:16.19 | UyCaRumBa | :P |
| 20:17.05 | UyCaRumBa | SadEagle, but that error is normal? |
| 20:17.05 | MrGrim | http://grinvader.free.fr/pics/emotion_sim.jpg |
| 20:17.33 | SadEagle | I think so |
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| 20:31.38 | moijk | hum |
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| 20:31.57 | moijk | What is the preffered irc client for use with KDE? |
| 20:32.37 | PhilRod | ksirc or konversation |
| 20:32.38 | MrGrim | konversation |
| 20:32.44 | Slackman | moijk, ksirc or konversation |
| 20:32.57 | rich_B | irssi is nice for console too |
| 20:33.01 | moijk | oh, have to try konversation |
| 20:33.04 | Slackman | moijk, don't think konversation is in by default is it? |
| 20:33.07 | moijk | thanks for the imput |
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| 20:33.35 | moijk | i apt'ed it so. just ran chatzilla and it's a bit laggy on kde. |
| 20:33.56 | moijk | tried ksirc now but looks more like an amiga irc client than anything else |
| 20:34.03 | Slackman | moijk, xchat isn't kde but its pretty good too |
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| 20:47.55 | Dhraakellian | hehh |
| 20:48.14 | Dhraakellian | I just turned off "mousewheel over background changes desktop" |
| 20:49.18 | Dhraakellian | I'm wanting to see if I'd actually be doing things more efficiently by using the taskbar to switch desktops |
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| 20:53.07 | anisX | heya Dhraakellian |
| 20:53.18 | illogic-al | anisX: hi. |
| 20:53.36 | anisX | nah illogic-al ! |
| 20:53.37 | Dhraakellian | heh... this could take some getting used to |
| 20:53.39 | anisX | orville |
| 20:53.52 | illogic-al | ? |
| 20:53.56 | anisX | orville : i still cant play mp3 with amarok! |
| 20:54.06 | illogic-al | anisX: how come? |
| 20:54.12 | illogic-al | it built right? |
| 20:54.27 | anisX | illogic-al: yes it built..but i cant play mp3 with arts or xine engine |
| 20:56.08 | illogic-al | anisX: join me in #amarok |
| 20:56.32 | Dhraakellian | or maybe my problems have something to do with all these amarokrc.lock<randomstring>.tmp files in ~/.kde/share/config |
| 20:56.38 | anisX | okie smallville |
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| 20:56.46 | Dhraakellian | mischan |
| 20:57.57 | CapNemo | what is the component which create the thumbnails of video files in konqueror 3.4 ??? |
| 20:58.25 | sredna | CapNemo: Kio_thumb |
| 20:59.28 | CapNemo | sredna: do you know is there a way to configure it ? because when it try to create a thumbnail of big video file (> 250Mo) it try to copy it to /tmp then /tmp is full then it stops ... pretty stupid |
| 20:59.57 | sredna | CapNemo: File a bug report |
| 21:00.38 | CapNemo | oki |
| 21:01.48 | sredna | CapNemo: ... and keep a bit of space in yout 7tmp too :) |
| 21:02.28 | CapNemo | sredna: it's a ram tmp :) |
| 21:02.42 | CapNemo | sredna: all the space are take by the thumbnail process |
| 21:02.50 | Dhraakellian | might as well have it right up in the corner if I'm going to be using it more |
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| 21:14.38 | hitu | how do i get back the navigation bar on Konqueror ? |
| 21:15.37 | sredna | hitu: Settings->Toollbars->Location Toolbar |
| 21:15.52 | juztin | what's the command to view a jpg from the cmd line? |
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| 21:16.21 | sredna | juztin: To get KDE to run it, use 'kfmclient exec <file>' |
| 21:16.49 | |QuaD| | is there a way to change the background color on konsole? |
| 21:16.57 | sredna | juztin: If you want to use a specific view, the command is usually '<app> <file>', e.g. 'kview my.jpg' |
| 21:17.06 | |QuaD| | never mind, found it :) |
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| 21:17.58 | hitu | naa sredna not that one.. |
| 21:18.05 | hitu | the one thats on the left side |
| 21:18.18 | hitu | navigation panel ? |
| 21:18.21 | sredna | hitu: Ah.. window->show navigation panel |
| 21:18.40 | sredna | hitu: Or press F9 - at least that is the default |
| 21:18.40 | hitu | oh found a shortcut |
| 21:18.44 | hitu | F9 |
| 21:18.49 | hitu | yah thanks |
| 21:21.26 | hitu | i like that Image Gallery option |
| 21:23.54 | chimaera | re.. |
| 21:23.59 | markey | guys you have the chance to test the new amaroK LIVE cd |
| 21:24.02 | markey | http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/AmaroK_Live |
| 21:24.11 | markey | test it |
| 21:24.26 | markey | and send feedback to us |
| 21:24.34 | chimaera | media:/ only works for optical-devices, is there a way to convince it to work with storage devices (usb/ieee1394), too? |
| 21:25.18 | c-101 | i think media:/ works based in fstab |
| 21:25.30 | Theory | works fine for my usbstick here |
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| 21:26.58 | chimaera | c-101: i have those devices in my fstab.. |
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| 21:27.20 | chimaera | Theory: neither my flash.stick, mp3player or ieee1394 hd is displayed. |
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| 21:28.30 | PhilRod | do they have entries in fstab |
| 21:28.34 | PhilRod | ? |
| 21:28.42 | apollo2011 | anyone know of a DVD Decrypter and DVD Shrink equivalent for Linux so I can backup 8.xGB movie to a 4.7GB DVD? |
| 21:28.46 | chimaera | PhilRod: like i siad, they do. |
| 21:29.07 | Theory | are they marked as user mountable? |
| 21:29.17 | chimaera | /dev/ihp1201 /media/ihp120 auto rw,noauto,user,sync |
| 21:29.23 | chimaera | ..for example |
| 21:30.44 | chimaera | apollo2011: afaik there'S a toll to do this on heise.de (german publisher) |
| 21:30.54 | chimaera | s/toll/tool/ |
| 21:32.47 | Slackman | apollo2011, i think mplayer can do that..not sure though |
| 21:33.23 | apollo2011 | I would like to keep the menus and everything and the people on the mplayer channel didn't think I could do that |
| 21:34.03 | Slackman | apollo2011, not sure sorry..i don't even have a dvd player. |
| 21:34.05 | chimaera | apollo2011: iirc that'S not possible with the tool i'm refering to. |
| 21:34.20 | apollo2011 | oh |
| 21:34.23 | apollo2011 | course |
| 21:34.30 | apollo2011 | I don't speak German either lol |
| 21:34.37 | Theory | anyone else having juk issues with latest head? |
| 21:34.49 | apollo2011 | I should just do it with DVD Shrink in Windows |
| 21:35.29 | chimaera | apollo2011: try running dvd-shring with wine. |
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| 21:35.46 | apollo2011 | I have to figure out how to use that... |
| 21:35.53 | apollo2011 | I can't get WINE to run anything |
| 21:36.28 | apollo2011 | it complains that it hasn't been configured |
| 21:36.48 | chimaera | no ideas why my storage devices aren't displayed? |
| 21:36.51 | Slackman | apollo2011, i'm sure there is something to do it, but a lot of OSS developers are going to be less inclined to breach copyright |
| 21:37.02 | apollo2011 | yeah |
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| 21:37.14 | Slackman | apollo2011, it just may be in CLI form |
| 21:37.22 | chimaera | apollo2011: so configure it.. there's a gui to do it: winesetuptk(?). |
| 21:37.39 | apollo2011 | where in usr/bin? |
| 21:37.41 | Slackman | apollo2011, or Cross Over Office is worth it |
| 21:37.49 | Slackman | apollo2011, makes wine easy |
| 21:37.56 | apollo2011 | what does it do? |
| 21:38.23 | Slackman | apollo2011, www.codeweavers.com |
| 21:38.35 | Slackman | apollo2011, its really quite good |
| 21:38.47 | Slackman | we use it to run Photoshop at work |
| 21:39.12 | chimaera | well, actually i had good results with winehq, using winesetuptk. |
| 21:39.43 | Slackman | chimaera, i'm lazy..it was easier to get the boss to buy crossover :) |
| 21:40.10 | chimaera | Slackman: well, no boss at home to give me the budget ;) |
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| 21:40.30 | apollo2011 | same here |
| 21:40.54 | chimaera | apollo2011: there are quite some hotos around.. |
| 21:41.01 | chimaera | howtos |
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| 21:43.38 | apollo2011 | I got it configed... |
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| 21:44.58 | rootleak | Can someone help me, I removed the kicker icons to switch the desktops, how do I get it back? |
| 21:45.17 | chimaera | rootleak: add the pager applet |
| 21:45.35 | rootleak | ahh, awesome, thanks chimaera |
| 21:45.42 | chimaera | rootleak: np |
| 21:46.42 | chimaera | PhilRod: Theory: what do your fstab entries for usb-storage devices look like? |
| 21:46.58 | Theory | /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdisk auto users,noauto 0 0 |
| 21:47.38 | hitu | i got a better line |
| 21:47.40 | ThisBullet | hi |
| 21:48.02 | chimaera | Theory: no sync? |
| 21:48.04 | ThisBullet | is there a way to download more gradients for the kde taskbar. i like the default one but i want some more spice :) |
| 21:48.05 | hitu | /dev/sda1/usbflashvfatuser,auto,exec,umask=00000 |
| 21:48.08 | Theory | no |
| 21:48.19 | PhilRod | chimaera: I don't have any (usb storage devices) |
| 21:48.34 | Theory | I unmount before removing |
| 21:48.45 | ThisBullet | also. i emerged kde 3.3.2 a while ago. i wish to upgrade to the meta. thats seperate in portage from kde-base/kde and kde-base/kde-meta. so i dont know how to upgrade. |
| 21:48.51 | PhilRod | ThisBullet: if there are, they'll be on kde-look.org . If not, you can probably create your own |
| 21:49.17 | chimaera | hitu: well, i don't use exec / umask.. |
| 21:49.18 | PhilRod | and for the second one, ask in #gentoo or some other gentoo forum |
| 21:49.29 | hitu | chimaera :P |
| 21:50.05 | apollo2011 | I can't get wine working.... |
| 21:50.18 | chimaera | hitu: never been that desperate to execute anything from a vfat formated usb-stick. :-P |
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| 21:50.39 | hitu | yah i wonder why i added that too .. i cant run .sis files in here anyway |
| 21:50.44 | hitu | ehhe |
| 21:51.20 | chimaera | mhh, i wish device:/ back. |
| 21:51.55 | chimaera | anyhow, any idea how i can fix icons at the desktop? everytime i restart kde, the line-up is screwed up. |
| 21:52.22 | hitu | lol |
| 21:52.31 | hitu | yah same thing for me |
| 21:52.45 | hitu | happens in konqueror sometimes too |
| 21:53.56 | chimaera | hitu: within konqi, only the toolbars get mixed up here. |
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| 22:34.38 | anisX | kde keeps going and going! |
| 22:34.42 | anisX | i need to sleep |
| 22:34.43 | anisX | :) |
| 22:35.02 | PhilRod | heh, g'night anisX |
| 22:35.18 | anisX | good night Uncle Phil |
| 22:35.31 | rich_B | hmm composite isnt quite as slow as I remembered on my laptop |
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| 22:38.26 | PhilRod | heya Borg^Queen |
| 22:38.27 | Borg^Queen | Hey people |
| 22:38.45 | Borg^Queen | I have what will hopefully be an easy problem to fix. I just downloaded the latest bit defender frontend, and it needs libstdc++.so.6. |
| 22:38.45 | Borg^Queen | If I understand correctly that's part of gcc |
| 22:38.51 | Borg^Queen | Hey PhilRod |
| 22:40.24 | Borg^Queen | brushed theme? |
| 22:43.16 | thr1ce | OS X theme |
| 22:43.22 | thr1ce | baghira doesn't work very well here |
| 22:43.23 | Dhraakellian | baghira |
| 22:43.25 | Dhraakellian | nm |
| 22:43.28 | straw | rpm -qf /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 |
| 22:43.29 | straw | libstdc++-3.4.2-6.fc3 |
| 22:43.30 | Borg^Queen | Aye, I made one. |
| 22:43.45 | thr1ce | Borg^Queen, screenshots? |
| 22:43.46 | Borg^Queen | Thanks straw downloading now. |
| 22:44.12 | Borg^Queen | One sec thr1ce |
| 22:44.14 | straw | whee :) |
| 22:44.30 | Borg^Queen | `lol |
| 22:46.36 | Dhraakellian | would that be a strawman attack? |
| 22:46.58 | Borg^Queen | Aye |
| 22:47.02 | Borg^Queen | I'm going to beat the hey out of him |
| 22:47.10 | Borg^Queen | Ooop hay |
| 22:47.15 | Borg^Queen | either way, |
| 22:48.10 | straw | hit me baby, one more time |
| 22:48.22 | Borg^Queen | Eeeewww |
| 22:48.25 | Borg^Queen | Never mind |
| 22:48.29 | straw | lol |
| 22:48.39 | thr1ce | Borg^Queen, what does your theme look like? |
| 22:49.18 | Borg^Queen | One sec thr1ce I'm uploading to screenshots for you to look at |
| 22:49.45 | Borg^Queen | Mind you, I'm maxing out my bandwidth. I'm downloading about a gig of stuff |
| 22:51.27 | Borg^Queen | one more minute |
| 22:52.52 | Borg^Queen | straw: that rpm doesn't work, it breaks about a dozen apps if I install it. |
| 22:52.56 | Borg^Queen | Dep hell, DEP HELL! |
| 22:53.32 | straw | err... don't install the exact pkg i gave |
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| 22:54.00 | straw | install the rpm for the distro rev you've got |
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| 22:55.16 | Borg^Queen | DOH! |
| 22:55.22 | Borg^Queen | Arrrrrrrrgggh |
| 22:55.45 | Borg^Queen | thr1ce: ? |
| 22:55.48 | Borg^Queen | http://home.earthlink.net/~borgqueen/ |
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| 22:58.08 | rich_B | nice theme:-) |
| 22:58.22 | Borg^Queen | Tanks, I assilmilated about 10 themes to do it |
| 22:58.32 | Borg^Queen | Then made my own wallpaper |
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| 22:58.42 | rich_B | :) |
| 22:59.04 | thr1ce | i like it |
| 22:59.21 | thr1ce | I really want one that has only metal look, with the buttons built in; like, you can't tell where the window b order starts |
| 22:59.33 | thr1ce | if that makes any sense |
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| 23:00.12 | Borg^Queen | I think so. You want metal buttons that blend in with the background |
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| 23:00.40 | thr1ce | yeah...like, where you have blue-ish borders, I want that the same as the metal background of your window |
| 23:01.07 | thr1ce | like your xmms skin, where there it all blends together |
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| 23:02.27 | Borg^Queen | Well you can take what I have to create you own clear buttons |
| 23:03.09 | thr1ce | i'm very bad at theming...I"ll keep lookin' around |
| 23:03.11 | thr1ce | very nice though! |
| 23:03.35 | Borg^Queen | Look, I'm an UBER NOOB and I did it. |
| 23:04.04 | Borg^Queen | All you do is make your own buttons using sodi podi, save them and pngs and rename them to replace the ones aready there. |
| 23:04.09 | Borg^Queen | Thank you |
| 23:04.35 | thr1ce | haha |
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| 23:05.31 | Borg^Queen | Ask anyone in here, I don't know what I'm doing! |
| 23:05.54 | Blissex | with the defaul, GNOME-style :-) font selection dialog, does one select X fonts, or Fontconfig fonts? If either, which one has priority? |
| 23:06.25 | SadEagle | l |
| 23:06.26 | SadEagle | [18:05:17] <lypanov> SadEagle: python ain't bad :) |
| 23:06.26 | SadEagle | [18:05:29] <lypanov> SadEagle: ugly :) lots of stuff in the stdlib that should be in the base. but its not bad :) |
| 23:06.38 | ponto | Blissex: imho both. |
| 23:06.49 | SadEagle | grr, sorry |
| 23:07.00 | lippel | does anybody here use lilypond or something similar? |
| 23:07.07 | Blissex | ponto: yes, that's my impression too. But if a font is available in both, which one gets selected? The X11 one or the Fontconfig one? |
| 23:07.56 | ponto | Blissex: i don't know |
| 23:08.27 | Blissex | ponto: but I hope you see my point :-). So if you meet a KDE developer, pester him to make it less sucky. |
| 23:08.44 | ponto | Blissex: what point? |
| 23:09.09 | Borg^Queen | bbiab |
| 23:09.25 | PhilRod | Blissex: if you have a particular problem with the font handling, report it as a bug/wishlist on bugs.kde.org |
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| 23:10.56 | PhilRod | lippel: I've used lilypond a tiny amount |
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| 23:12.08 | Linux-addict | is msn down? |
| 23:12.52 | lippel | PhilRod: i used it years ago, just wondered which version to install... there are _two_ "stable" versions, a "development" and an "old" one. |
| 23:12.54 | s3m10s | doesn't look like it |
| 23:13.10 | lippel | and the ebuild is the "old" one (2.0.3) and doesn't compile. |
| 23:13.12 | amth | Is there any way to cram multiple pdf files to single file? kpdf (and others like kghostview) doesn't seem to be able to do it, could they even do it? |
| 23:13.38 | Blissex | ponto: that the KDE font selection dialog is missing some vital details, like selecting fonts from only one of the two fonts systems. |
| 23:13.47 | s3m10s | anyone have problems with smb and 2.6.8 kernels? |
| 23:14.24 | ponto | Blissex: the font system is not essential. imho one of them should vanish. preferably the old X one. |
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| 23:14.40 | Blissex | s3m10s: not quite the right channel, try #samba or #linuxhelp. |
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| 23:15.02 | Blissex | ponto: no, Fontconfig should vanish, it is appallingly designed and implemented. |
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| 23:15.13 | s3m10s | BLissex just wondering, I'm not really researching it. |
| 23:15.18 | lippel | PhilRod: so i wondered if it's worth the hassle or if i should go for something else, e.g. musictex |
| 23:15.56 | Blissex | ponto: in any case, if one has two font system that ender things quite differently, one should be able to select which rendering one prefers, or at leat _know_ which one the D.E. one uses will prefer... |
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| 23:18.28 | PhilRod | lippel: I think I used the 'development' one without problems |
| 23:18.38 | PhilRod | although I didn't do anything particularly advanced wit it |
| 23:18.45 | PhilRod | s/particularly/at all/ |
| 23:19.39 | lippel | hmm, i will try the 2.4 branch... |
| 23:22.37 | s3m10s | where do I find a list of freenode channels? |
| 23:22.52 | PhilRod | s3m10s: msg chanserv list * |
| 23:22.59 | PhilRod | or something like that |
| 23:23.06 | s3m10s | msg chanserv list |
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| 23:23.34 | PhilRod | lippel: as for musixtex, afaict it's more advanced but also a lot more difficult than lilypond |
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| 23:24.04 | PhilRod | and probably only really designed for TeXperts, but I didn't use it, so I could be wrong |
| 23:24.15 | amth | Found pdftk (pdf toolkit) that can combine/split/decrypt/encrypt/repair and other cool things to pdf files, could kpdf start to use it if it's available? It's even GPL <http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/>. |
| 23:25.27 | lippel | PhilRod: yeah, i think lilypond will suffice. iirc it's powerful yet easy to use. and i don't want to layout symphonies. |
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| 23:28.33 | Ripe_ | Hello |
| 23:29.17 | MrGrim | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/8Js63o61.html <- script to mute/unmute JuK if you have a mute button on your keyboard and wanna map it |
| 23:29.19 | Ripe_ | Do you know any contact web tool that allow to get info from CVF file? |
| 23:29.38 | Ripe_ | and allowme to send mail to all contacts to compleat their information |
| 23:30.24 | PhilRod | MrGrim: doesn't juk already have an option for that? IIRC it's mapped to Ctrl+Alt+M here |
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| 23:30.35 | PhilRod | or at least it was |
| 23:30.35 | Blissex | Ripe_: «contact web tool»? This channel is about KDE, which is not a web hosted suite... |
| 23:32.37 | PhilRod | MrGrim: oh, actually, it's not mapped to anything, but it's there in settings->configure shortcuts |
| 23:33.33 | PhilRod | !sleep |
| 23:34.30 | Ripe_ | Blissex, yes i know :) |
| 23:34.45 | Ripe_ | but since kontact support some web tools... |
| 23:34.46 | Ripe_ | :) |
| 23:35.27 | Ripe_ | I wanna complete my contacts information from kontact |
| 23:35.57 | Ripe_ | sending a mail to all contacts with a URL that allow to edit his/her info |
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| 23:36.29 | MrPingouin | ohayo |
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| 23:46.39 | MrGrim | hmm |
| 23:47.03 | MrGrim | in response to PhilRod, even tho he isn't here, I prefer to use khotkeys with dcop fo rkeyboard shortcuts so they are all kept in one location |
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| 23:49.37 | miqorz | Anyone here listen to LUG Radio? |
| 23:49.43 | miqorz | its the only linux radio show i know of |
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| 23:57.31 | _poison_ | =/ how can I make the sidebar display hidden folders ? |
| 23:58.22 | _poison_ | ( in konqi of course ^^) |
| 23:59.59 | miqorz | Ask nicely? |
