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| 00:10.28 | mitrick | hello |
| 00:10.30 | mitrick | i got a question |
| 00:10.37 | mitrick | in konqueror i dont see my images preview |
| 00:10.45 | mitrick | how to enable that? |
| 00:10.52 | aseigo | check the following: |
| 00:11.28 | aseigo | in Settings -> Configure Konq, on the Previews and Metadata page ensure that local protocols are selected in the list. and ensure that the minimum file size is big enough. |
| 00:11.42 | aseigo | then in View -> Previews, make sure Images are turned on |
| 00:12.05 | aseigo | then in View -> Previews, make sure Images are turned on |
| 00:12.13 | mitrick | ah |
| 00:12.14 | mitrick | thx |
| 00:12.16 | mitrick | it works |
| 00:12.17 | mitrick | wow |
| 00:12.18 | mitrick | nice |
| 00:12.23 | mitrick | damn i really love kde |
| 00:12.37 | mitrick | it has been now 2 weeks that im using it so far |
| 00:12.39 | aseigo | =) |
| 00:12.47 | aseigo | 3.3? |
| 00:12.53 | mitrick | i was on gnome for like 4years |
| 00:12.57 | mitrick | 3.3.2 |
| 00:13.03 | aseigo | just wait for 3.4 =) |
| 00:13.04 | mitrick | on slackware 10.1 |
| 00:13.14 | aseigo | 3.4 is out in a few weeks |
| 00:13.17 | mitrick | kde is something that is fast and good |
| 00:13.25 | mitrick | but still i got a little prob |
| 00:13.33 | aseigo | yes? |
| 00:13.35 | mitrick | when i browse a cdrom |
| 00:13.40 | mitrick | or copy files |
| 00:13.41 | mitrick | from it |
| 00:13.44 | mitrick | my pc lags |
| 00:13.46 | mitrick | like hell |
| 00:14.46 | aseigo | hm ... did this happen previous to KDE, or is this new with KDE for you? |
| 00:15.13 | snugglemonkey | hdparam might be wrong. google for information on that and see what your settings are. I'm going to be away for a bit and won't be able to help. My guess is DMA is off on your CDROM. |
| 00:15.39 | mitrick | its new for me |
| 00:16.02 | mitrick | where to set dma? |
| 00:16.08 | mitrick | i had to do that on suse before |
| 00:16.17 | mitrick | in yast and no lag after |
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| 00:22.39 | mitrick | is there a way to set my icon text to be like all word to view correcty |
| 00:22.46 | mitrick | example my limewire is |
| 00:22.54 | mitrick | LimeWi |
| 00:22.56 | mitrick | re |
| 00:22.59 | mitrick | like that |
| 00:23.02 | mitrick | on 2 lines |
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| 00:35.46 | PabloEscobar | when is the beta due final? |
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| 00:36.11 | aseigo | mitrick: yes.. i forget when that option went in, but i thin it's in 3.3 |
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| 00:36.47 | aseigo | mitrick: Settings -> Config Konq -> Appearance, Height for icon text |
| 00:36.50 | aseigo | PabloEscobar: a few weeks |
| 00:36.55 | moe_ | is there a way to findout if KDE is changing my volume levels to high everytime i login |
| 00:36.59 | mitrick | yea mine is set to 3 |
| 00:37.26 | mitrick | do i set to 1? |
| 00:37.54 | aseigo | mitrick: yes... though it will still concactenante labels that are too long |
| 00:38.12 | mitrick | i did 1 |
| 00:38.16 | mitrick | its not working better |
| 00:38.16 | moe_ | mm |
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| 00:43.40 | spanglesontoast | what's the best text editor for kde |
| 00:44.06 | moe_ | why does KDE change default sound settings |
| 00:44.34 | moe_ | or what is a good sound mixer in kde |
| 00:44.40 | moe_ | that will save the sound volumes |
| 00:45.04 | HuntsMan | kmix ? |
| 00:52.14 | spanglesontoast | there a gedit for kde? |
| 00:52.25 | aseigo | kwrite |
| 00:52.28 | aseigo | kate |
| 00:52.28 | chavo | spanglesontoast, there's a kedit |
| 00:52.36 | aseigo | depending on whether you like MDI or not |
| 00:52.42 | pilaf | Should GMail work with Konqueror 3.4? |
| 00:52.43 | aseigo | well, kedit is just a notepad like thing |
| 00:52.47 | aseigo | gedit is more of a code editor, right? |
| 00:52.57 | chavo | yeah |
| 00:53.01 | aseigo | pilaf: here's hoping. i haven't heard more on it recently |
| 00:53.09 | chavo | kate is the closest |
| 00:53.17 | aseigo | ok.. for code editing you want kate (or kwrite if you prefer one window -> one docu) |
| 00:53.33 | pilaf | k... |
| 00:53.34 | aseigo | both kate and kwrite use the SAME text editor, so its just a choice of GUI around that =) |
| 00:54.05 | pilaf | aseigo: I love the new effects on kpanel, thanks :) |
| 00:54.06 | spanglesontoast | ah |
| 00:54.07 | spanglesontoast | ty |
| 00:54.23 | spanglesontoast | fair enough |
| 00:54.35 | aseigo | pilaf: =) |
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| 00:59.18 | FransE | aseigo: Hi, btw :) |
| 01:00.37 | aseigo | FransE: hey =) |
| 01:01.10 | FransE | I'll answer your mail on kde-guidelines when picking up doc. work again |
| 01:01.22 | FransE | But over to something much more important: |
| 01:01.34 | FransE | Did Roblimo hit on your mother?!?! :) |
| 01:01.43 | FransE | Now.. all the details :)) |
| 01:02.27 | aseigo | FransE: hahah.. yeah, he did. it was pretty sad =P |
| 01:02.33 | FransE | Was it? |
| 01:02.41 | FransE | He have wife.. |
| 01:02.45 | aseigo | yeah, i know |
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| 01:02.48 | FransE | Or was it just for fun? |
| 01:02.49 | FransE | :)) |
| 01:03.11 | aseigo | i'm sure he was fun ... nothing too, too serious. just lots of playful flirting |
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| 01:03.20 | aseigo | all through dinner |
| 01:03.21 | aseigo | hahah |
| 01:03.36 | FransE | heh.. |
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| 01:04.16 | aseigo | best moment: "they once auctioned me off. the winner got to have lunch with me. they winning bid was $<someamount>" mom, "wow. and here we get to eat with you for free", rob, "i'm famous you know" |
| 01:05.01 | FransE | Heh.. |
| 01:05.02 | aseigo | at which point my mom just laughed. and went back to eating. |
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| 01:06.12 | FransE | One of those moments one wants to zink through the chair |
| 01:06.46 | aseigo | yep |
| 01:07.13 | aseigo | my mom thought it was pretty funny. her view of computer geeks wasn't improved much that night though. |
| 01:07.50 | aseigo | that did change eventually... her, maddog and i spent the day on the North Shore on a Sunday and he's an amazing guy. she got to see what some of the more impressive people in our community are like =) |
| 01:08.08 | FransE | Yes, I got hope :) |
| 01:08.25 | FransE | But that is true: open source have a _very_ broad spectrum of different people |
| 01:10.20 | aseigo | so.. what have you been up to lately? |
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| 01:10.41 | FransE | A testing framework, will commit in a couple of days. |
| 01:10.54 | FransE | It's the "next level" of what Benjamin started |
| 01:11.19 | FransE | Written in Python and various XML techs. such as XSLT and Schema. Have been a useful learn. |
| 01:11.32 | FransE | You're busy with Kicker? |
| 01:12.07 | aseigo | mostly... finished out the kfd changes, some kontact stuff and finally convinced the konq guys to get rid of cut/copy/paste in the toolbar |
| 01:13.31 | aseigo | so, been keeping busy. |
| 01:13.58 | aseigo | heh.. just had a BR that i've closed three times now. started out with a guy who found qframe where the frameStyle was set wrong in kicker config |
| 01:14.09 | aseigo | nadeem fixed it, closed it before i even got to it |
| 01:14.15 | aseigo | then the guy found 3 others elsewhere in kde... |
| 01:14.22 | aseigo | ... i fixed those... closed it again |
| 01:14.30 | aseigo | ... he found another .. i fixed it.. closed it again.. heh |
| 01:14.34 | FransE | :) |
| 01:14.43 | aseigo | great that he's being thorough but it's going to be the most recycled bug in the world. =P |
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| 01:18.22 | moijk | hi. What is the best msn messenger clone for kde? |
| 01:19.15 | aseigo | kopete |
| 01:21.42 | FransE | aseigo, in what way does XEmbed make the menuapplet cumbersome(if it's that)? |
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| 01:24.08 | moijk | you use kmail or thunderbird? |
| 01:24.33 | moijk | I'm back with linux on this box, it's a year since i last ran linux on desktop. so I'm just updating myself on the changes |
| 01:26.04 | moijk | so far I've put up my g550 on dualheads, installed firefox and thunderbird since it's those i'm most familiar with, installed zend studio and configured kopete. anything I lack then? hum, media player is still noatun? |
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| 01:27.18 | Oleg_ | what's that word qtcurve? |
| 01:27.24 | oggb4mp3 | markey, where did you put it? |
| 01:28.26 | aseigo | FransE: no, it's not xembed |
| 01:28.44 | aseigo | FransE: it's just that when it was put into kicker orginally, it wasn't really well integrated |
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| 01:28.57 | aseigo | so people had to set it up all on their own |
| 01:29.06 | FransE | ok |
| 01:29.27 | aseigo | and that wasn't pleasant. it also meant we kept getting requests to make it so you could put other buttons and clocks and whatnot on the kdesktop version of it |
| 01:30.01 | aseigo | so.. i made it automagic in 3.4. and now i'm dealing with code to migrate existing, done-by-hand menubar configs to the new automatically created one =/ |
| 01:30.05 | aseigo | just finickey and annoying |
| 01:30.36 | aseigo | testing in particular is a bitch |
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| 01:37.42 | Vladi | hi, is the new 3.4 version of quanta the only one who has Clean Source Formatting? |
| 01:40.01 | aseigo | Vladi: not sure.. could be though. check the feature list at developer.kde.org perhaps |
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| 01:47.31 | daum | anyone know a good program that continously updates to monitor stocks? |
| 01:48.22 | aseigo | daum: hrm.. not personally.. |
| 01:48.55 | daum | since i already have the gkrellm plugin..but thats not neough lol |
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| 01:50.39 | PabloEscobar | man is there any friggin way to install non beta kde apps right now? |
| 01:50.45 | PabloEscobar | oops |
| 01:50.46 | PabloEscobar | wrong chan |
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| 01:53.04 | aseigo | PabloEscobar: heh... you mean stuff in kdenonbeta? |
| 01:54.18 | PabloEscobar | yeah |
| 01:54.25 | chris_121 | what do you think about integrating kdevelop with the kdedesktop - because its basic nature of opensource that many people help |
| 01:54.26 | PabloEscobar | portage only has the beta in it now |
| 01:54.37 | chris_121 | like klick on the window -> programm |
| 01:55.01 | chris_121 | and an wizard will checkout the code an start kdevelop |
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| 01:56.48 | chris_121 | there was proposal on kde-usability to have mimetypes for windows - like that you can add functionallity like : edit with kdevelop or something likde that |
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| 01:57.39 | chris_121 | np |
| 01:57.53 | anusaya | Anyone know why a text file containing " CFLAGS CFLAGS " is seen as a Makefile by konqueror? |
| 01:58.31 | chris_121 | listening : http://sb2.mthn.net:8200/ |
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| 02:00.27 | Omegatron | is there a way to get a disk space indicator on the "tray" area like the system monitor or a linux version of this: http://jongrieve.net/diskmon/ |
| 02:00.57 | chris_121 | i dont know of anything like this |
| 02:01.02 | Omegatron | ok |
| 02:01.13 | chris_121 | but you can use a karmaba monitor on your desktop background |
| 02:01.22 | chris_121 | tried that ? |
| 02:01.30 | Omegatron | never heard of it :-) that's why I'm asking |
| 02:01.51 | chris_121 | look for karmaba |
| 02:01.55 | chris_121 | on www.kde-look.org |
| 02:02.14 | Omegatron | I am looking |
| 02:02.36 | chris_121 | on the left panel there is "Karamba" |
| 02:02.57 | chris_121 | perhaps you short sort by "highest rated" then |
| 02:04.29 | Omegatron | hmm. karamba is a program, and most of these entries are skins for it? |
| 02:05.00 | chris_121 | its a programm to but little transparent goodies on the desktop |
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| 02:05.15 | chris_121 | you start karmaba , and choose a theme(program) |
| 02:05.22 | chris_121 | oder more than one theme |
| 02:05.31 | Omegatron | yes but I can't find the download for the program itself |
| 02:05.56 | Omegatron | superkaramba? |
| 02:06.24 | chris_121 | http://netdragon.so |
| 02:06.27 | chris_121 | yes |
| 02:06.39 | Omegatron | http://www.superkaramba.com |
| 02:06.39 | Omegatron | ok |
| 02:06.40 | chris_121 | http://netdragon.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:07.16 | chris_121 | there are packages for every system on kde-look |
| 02:07.45 | Omegatron | that would be better |
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| 02:07.59 | chris_121 | whats your system |
| 02:08.21 | Omegatron | fc3 |
| 02:09.32 | Omegatron | I don't understand how to navigate this site |
| 02:09.36 | Omegatron | is there a search somewhere? |
| 02:09.43 | chris_121 | yes but it never worked for me |
| 02:09.59 | chris_121 | on the left |
| 02:10.01 | chris_121 | scroll down |
| 02:10.29 | Omegatron | no results |
| 02:10.30 | Omegatron | bah |
| 02:11.31 | chris_121 | there is one - i know |
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| 02:12.24 | Agabus | could anyone tell me, is the there a limit to how many files/directories you can have in 1 directory? |
| 02:13.10 | chris_121 | hm |
| 02:13.16 | chris_121 | dont think so |
| 02:13.28 | chris_121 | i think it should be a linked list |
| 02:13.43 | Omegatron | I found the one for fc2 |
| 02:14.03 | Agabus | well i'm mounting a smb share across my network with music in it, and it is missing quite a few of the directories |
| 02:15.05 | PabloEscobar | is the new kdelibs backwards compatible? with the apps that i had built against the old kdelibs? |
| 02:15.50 | FransE | PabloEscobar: yes |
| 02:16.05 | Agabus | Omegatron - are u saying u found the directory/file limit for fedora core 2? if so what was it? |
| 02:16.21 | FransE | but KDE 4 won't have backwards compat with 3(etc), it only applies for minor releases |
| 02:16.47 | PabloEscobar | FransE, you mean, until it goes final? |
| 02:17.03 | FransE | What do you mean, final? |
| 02:17.29 | Omegatron | agabus: no, sorry. I was looking for a RPM for FC3 |
| 02:17.52 | Agabus | oh k |
| 02:17.55 | PabloEscobar | FransE, out of final |
| 02:17.59 | PabloEscobar | err |
| 02:18.00 | PabloEscobar | out of beta |
| 02:19.22 | FransE | An app compiled against kdelibs 3.1 will work with kdelibs 3.4 |
| 02:19.38 | FransE | but not kdelibs in kde 4.0 |
| 02:22.00 | PabloEscobar | whats the app that controls overall QT look? |
| 02:22.11 | PabloEscobar | when i don't have kdebase installed? |
| 02:22.23 | FransE | qtconfig |
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| 02:28.01 | FransE | tmorton: see kdelibs/kdecore/{netwm*.h, kwin*.h}, perhaps |
| 02:28.44 | tmorton | FransE: thnx |
| 02:29.07 | aseigo | tmorton: do you own the window? |
| 02:29.12 | aseigo | tmorton: if so.. just call raise() on it |
| 02:29.26 | tmorton | aseigo: It's a KFileDialog |
| 02:29.30 | chris_121 | hi Frans Englich |
| 02:29.34 | aseigo | tmorton: if you don't have the window, but have a window id, then yeah, use KWin:: |
| 02:29.46 | FransE | Haha.. zorder.. |
| 02:29.47 | tmorton | aseigo: KFileDialog::getOpenFileName or whatever it is |
| 02:29.52 | FransE | Hello chris_121 :) |
| 02:30.21 | aseigo | tmorton: hmmm.. that's a static call is it not? it should pop up on its own.. is focus stealing preventing getting in the way? |
| 02:30.50 | tmorton | aseigo: I'm opening getOpenFileName from a Gnome app |
| 02:31.05 | tmorton | And it's minimized instead of popping up correctly |
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| 02:31.44 | tmorton | getOpenFileName is owned by the main GTK window |
| 02:31.51 | tmorton | (in terms of the XID) |
| 02:32.47 | aseigo | tmorton: you're using KDE dialogs from a GTK app? heh. i see |
| 02:33.36 | aseigo | tmorton: then yes, you'll have to resort to more direct methods. except that getOpenFileName doesn't provide a reference to the window or the winId .. you'll need one or the other |
| 02:34.15 | tmorton | aseigo: I wrote one |
| 02:36.03 | aseigo | and yeah... that dialog should appear on top. is it appearing below your app window? |
| 02:36.41 | tmorton | aseigo: Just tried .raise...no go |
| 02:37.06 | tmorton | Actually, the first time the dialog is created, it comes up on top |
| 02:37.19 | tmorton | But then if I hit Open again, the dialog is minimized |
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| 02:45.08 | FransE | gtg, cu :) |
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| 02:55.58 | Alethes | aseigo: how hard would it be to patch gtk to use kde dialogs? |
| 02:56.25 | Alethes | print dialogs, too, for that matter |
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| 03:10.58 | _poison | hi |
| 03:11.12 | _poison | anybody using Knode with kde3.4 ? |
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| 03:30.48 | ep | I'm trying to emulate this Keramic theme used in a knoppix demo. Its buttons had cute little Icons -- the OK button had a check mark icon for instance. How do I make this happen? |
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| 03:32.36 | Dhraakellian | ep: a) keramik comes with kde, and b) kcontrol > Appearance & Themes > style > [x] Show icons on buttons |
| 03:33.18 | Alethes | c) keramik is about the ugliest theme ever created for kde |
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| 03:34.04 | Dhraakellian | Alethes: nah, motif beats it |
| 03:34.11 | Alethes | haha good point |
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| 03:34.35 | Dhraakellian | however, I think I would rather use notif than keramik |
| 03:35.00 | Dhraakellian | at least, that's what I did when I was using knoppix on my sis-in-law's computer last night |
| 03:35.11 | ep | I liked it better than the default I've been using. The folks at knoppix chose it, maybe thats because it sort o looks like XP? What do you like? |
| 03:35.25 | Dhraakellian | would you believe that knoppix doesn't have kdeartwork? |
| 03:35.30 | Dhraakellian | ep: plastik |
| 03:35.52 | Dhraakellian | nice and aesthetically pleasing, yet not distractingly so |
| 03:36.12 | Dhraakellian | professional, but not butt-ugly |
| 03:36.22 | Alethes | I'm diggin' lipstik |
| 03:37.13 | Dhraakellian | lipstik's scrollbar just doesn't look right to me |
| 03:37.34 | Dhraakellian | but I didn't have an "ick! uninstall" reaction, certainly |
| 03:40.42 | Alethes | it looks the most like gnome to me :D |
| 03:40.44 | Alethes | heh |
| 03:41.00 | Alethes | I'm off |
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| 04:02.13 | topgan1 | hi |
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| 04:19.30 | sarah03 | Hrm. I wish Qt supported changing where it found qtrc easily. |
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| 04:22.49 | mattr | hi |
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| 04:34.06 | sarah03 | Hm. It feels Wrong to set $HOME to somewhere that's not my home directory to keep Qt from reading ~/.qt/qtrc. |
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| 04:34.27 | slackd00d | still no .deb's for beta2 yet? =) |
| 04:34.42 | sarah03 | Hell if I know. |
| 04:35.00 | sarah03 | [And I don't run debian.] |
| 04:35.09 | aseigo | hey ho |
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| 04:39.37 | aseigo | sarah03: lol. yes, yes it does. in fact, it helps if that's first in your path even ;) |
| 04:40.00 | sarah03 | aseigo: *nods* Especially when you've got 'make -j 5' running. |
| 04:40.04 | aseigo | lol |
| 04:40.23 | sarah03 | I'm actually waiting for my dual celeron to explode at me when it tries swapping to NFS. |
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| 04:41.49 | oneforall | hey xmms in kde how do I get the frame up so I can take it off allways ontop? |
| 04:42.41 | Dhraakellian | alt+F3 should let you get it back |
| 04:42.58 | sarah03 | oneforall: You should also be able to change the always on top state with the taskbar button. |
| 04:43.00 | Dhraakellian | or even just disable always on top without getting the window borders |
| 04:43.37 | oneforall | damn I thought I triedthat before lol musta hit crlt both timelol thanks |
| 04:44.18 | oneforall | better:) |
| 04:44.54 | oneforall | ok next to fix the drivers for my printer. think like I did with nvidia this last upgrade i will need to recompile them |
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| 04:46.38 | Venson | Any ideas when the slackpacks will be out for kde 3.3.92 ? |
| 04:47.25 | slackd00d | when someone makes them |
| 04:47.58 | oneforall | donno just rsync'd today and nothing new for kde . just 6.8.2 for xorg |
| 04:48.06 | Venson | would usually be the first ones to turn up...not this time hmm |
| 04:48.31 | Venson | oneforall: yeah |
| 04:48.32 | oneforall | grab the slack.build scripts fromthe source and build them your self :) |
| 04:48.46 | Venson | righto |
| 04:50.00 | oneforall | iwill but tring to get all the good stuf i like done fiirst. like checkind\stall but stuff I use all the time it is time to make some scripts :) |
| 04:51.33 | oneforall | made one for ffmpeg to do stable or cvs. the cvs one it'll do new dload of it or # that out and do just an update. zip it up andsend it to the dir with the script then unpack.com[ile etc |
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| 05:00.59 | CapNemo | Hey :) anyone knows how to test the equality between two QMaps ? |
| 05:07.18 | sarah03 | template <class K, class V> bool compareQMap(const QMap<K,V>& v1, const QMap<K,V>& v2) { QMap<K,V>::const_iterator iter; if (v1.size() != v2.size()) return false; for (iter = v1.begin(); iter != v1.end(); iter++) { if (!v2.contains(iter.key()) || v2[iter.key()] != iter.data()) return false; } return true; } |
| 05:07.26 | sarah03 | [Yes. That's evil.] |
| 05:08.17 | CapNemo | hum :) |
| 05:11.00 | slayerbob | Does anyone know why when I click on a link in knode it opens in both firefox and navigator ? |
| 05:11.04 | sarah03 | That equality function doesn't depend on sort order, either. |
| 05:11.07 | slayerbob | or at least, does anyone have any ideas ? |
| 05:12.15 | sarah03 | CapNemo: If you want one that depends on sort order, it's: if (v1.keys() == v2.keys() && v1.values() == v2.values()) |
| 05:13.37 | sarah03 | But, then again, I consider a map of [foo=>1, bar=>2] to be equal to a map of [bar=>2, foo=>1]. |
| 05:15.40 | Venson | slayerbob: sounds like a bug to me...what kde are you using? |
| 05:15.40 | CapNemo | sarah03: too bad that your compareQMap is not integrated in the Qt lib |
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| 05:16.47 | sarah03 | CapNemo: That's partially because I just wrote said code when you asked about it, and because implementing it as an operator== depends on how you decide what equality is for what amounts to a list of key-value pairs. |
| 05:17.25 | CapNemo | true oki then i take it ;) |
| 05:18.48 | illogic-al | yay! |
| 05:18.54 | illogic-al | Uptime: 2 days and 2 minutes |
| 05:19.29 | CapNemo | ehehe |
| 05:20.13 | illogic-al | that's the highest uptime i've had without X DYING horribly since last year sometime. |
| 05:20.28 | Venson | illogic-al: how about the uptime of your computer? :> |
| 05:21.13 | sarah03 | illogic-al: Yeah... X has a tendency for dying horribly, doesn't it? |
| 05:21.27 | illogic-al | well, with gratuitous use of alt+sysrq+i, init 1, init 3, I've actually gotten up to 4 days |
| 05:22.14 | sarah03 | Hm. When X dies on me, I usually end up doing alt-sysrq-s, alt-sysrq-u, and alt-sysrq-b in rapid succession. |
| 05:22.19 | illogic-al | sarah03: the newer ones sure do. |
| 05:22.50 | sarah03 | Hm, haven't had any problems with X dying on me, except for when I specified BusID for my framebuffer devices. |
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| 05:23.56 | CapNemo | illogic-al: if you want crash your linux i give you a good recipe :) --> console in fb mode + X server nvidia and switch between then ;) |
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| 05:25.29 | slayerbob | venson: it's pretty old now |
| 05:25.31 | slayerbob | oh he left :( |
| 05:25.33 | slayerbob | lol |
| 05:25.35 | illogic-al | arr matey |
| 05:25.51 | slayerbob | and here was me thinking that it was not possible to be an open source pirate |
| 05:26.04 | gregday_ | talking about SCO? |
| 05:26.05 | illogic-al | oh it is. it is. |
| 05:26.34 | illogic-al | argh. |
| 05:27.12 | illogic-al | i need to call a travel agency to make arrangements to go somewhere but i can't dial there 800 number from the campus phones |
| 05:27.15 | illogic-al | EVIL! |
| 05:27.27 | illogic-al | I hate this bloody school sometimes. |
| 05:28.48 | illogic-al | GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! |
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| 05:30.44 | slayerbob | heh |
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| 05:31.05 | slayerbob | we had that problem at my uni when the 0800 numbers were first introduced |
| 05:31.22 | slayerbob | the first couple of fixes for it resulted in things like us being able to call cellphones from any phone in the uni :P |
| 05:31.31 | slayerbob | but eventually they sorted it out :P |
| 05:31.37 | slayerbob | took them several days though :P |
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| 05:38.14 | slayerbob | 1 :) |
| 05:38.38 | sarah03 | Right now I've got it set to 4 without blowing up the other system. |
| 05:38.43 | slayerbob | heh |
| 05:38.44 | sarah03 | [make -j6] |
| 05:39.00 | slayerbob | you're only saying that because your other system has not exploded yet :P |
| 05:39.04 | sarah03 | Yup. |
| 05:39.17 | slayerbob | can't rely on empirical evidence for such things :P |
| 05:39.19 | sarah03 | I'm expecting it to start trying to explode the moment it's got to start swapping. |
| 05:39.27 | slayerbob | heh |
| 05:40.06 | sarah03 | Well... 256M of swap on /dev/loop0. /dev/loop0 is mapped to /var/swapfile, which resides on 172.16.8.1:/nfsroot. |
| 05:40.25 | slayerbob | you have your swap on another machine ? |
| 05:40.31 | slayerbob | gigabit ethernet ? |
| 05:40.33 | sarah03 | I have the swap for my other machine on this machine. |
| 05:40.40 | sarah03 | 100baseTX. Full duplex. |
| 05:40.48 | slayerbob | :| |
| 05:40.59 | slayerbob | that's only about 1/3 the speed of a modern hdd |
| 05:41.05 | slayerbob | although i guess it would not matter too much |
| 05:41.14 | sarah03 | It hasn't touched it yet. But I'm more expecting it to explode because the Linux kernel wasn't made to swap over the network. |
| 05:41.15 | slayerbob | how often do things swap out realistically? |
| 05:41.19 | slayerbob | not much in my experience :P |
| 05:41.29 | sarah03 | The other system only has 128M of RAM in it. |
| 05:41.42 | slayerbob | oh i doubt that the kernel will have any trouble swapping out over the network |
| 05:41.52 | sarah03 | And besides for a video card and network card, it's only peripheral is a cdrom drive, which was used to boot it. |
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| 05:41.59 | slayerbob | my router has more ram than that :| |
| 05:42.52 | sarah03 | [Oh. And for NFS, I'm using an ancient version of unfsd, because it was what I had avaliable at the time.] |
| 05:43.00 | slayerbob | lol |
| 05:46.47 | CapNemo | sarah03: are you trying to enter in the record guiness book ;)? |
| 05:48.01 | _poison | c ya guys |
| 05:48.05 | sarah03 | CapNemo: No, I'm just trying to get my KDE compile to go faster. |
| 05:49.07 | CapNemo | oh yes i cant understand that :) |
| 05:50.11 | CapNemo | -cant |
| 05:50.13 | CapNemo | +can |
| 05:50.38 | sarah03 | I figured that's what you meant. :) |
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| 05:51.16 | CapNemo | sarah03: after midnight my english is not so good ;) sorry ;) |
| 05:51.43 | sarah03 | Now if there were only an easy way to make distcc go "Oh, they're sharing the same filesystem and everything, maybe I should just send stuff off wholesale to the other system." ... |
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| 06:01.15 | snugglemonkey | sarah03: what particular part of cvs are you testing? or are you playing with the whole thing? |
| 06:02.05 | sarah03 | snugglemonkey: I tend to track HEAD. |
| 06:02.14 | sarah03 | That's all. |
| 06:02.56 | snugglemonkey | hm. |
| 06:03.00 | sarah03 | [That, and I held off on building today's head until after I had Xorg 6.8.2 up and running, so that kompmgr could be built and I could toy around with it.] |
| 06:06.54 | snugglemonkey | sarah03: best of luck to you on the build. and I hope you get distcc running, as is neat. I hope to get it running sometime soon as well. :) |
| 06:07.06 | sarah03 | distcc is going just fine. |
| 06:07.14 | sarah03 | Or, rather, was. |
| 06:07.19 | aseigo | sarah03: have you tried icecream out at all? |
| 06:07.25 | sarah03 | And then: Swap: 262136k total, 2236k used, 259900k free, 16828k cached |
| 06:07.41 | sarah03 | At which point: distcc[19902] (dcc_connect_timed) ERROR: Connection to 172.16.8.2:3632 failed: Connection refused |
| 06:08.14 | sarah03 | It go boom. |
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| 06:13.51 | snugglemonkey | Icecream sounds neat. |
| 06:14.12 | sarah03 | aseigo: Not yet. I just barely took the time to get distcc up and running. |
| 06:14.18 | snugglemonkey | but, unfortunately, my "quicky setup" machines are on Mandrake. |
| 06:14.48 | sarah03 | [And just finished rebooting the secondary machine. I need to re-burn it's boot CD with a meaningful grub.conf.] |
| 06:15.48 | aseigo | sarah03: i see.. icecream basically is distcc, only with a built-in scheduler and nice visualization tools |
| 06:16.07 | sarah03 | Meaningful, being that it's already got all of the configuration parameters in it that I just entered again. |
| 06:16.34 | sarah03 | 'kernel (fd0)/bzImage root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=172.16.8.1:/nfsroot ip=172.16.8.2:172.16.8.1:172.16.8.1:255.255.255.0:test:eth0:off' |
| 06:16.58 | snugglemonkey | seems like everyone is doing a great job with programming as the build has gone perfect --unattended-- two times, with no hiccups. :) A nice and clean build from a nice and clean CVS. |
| 06:19.17 | aseigo | snugglemonkey: well, that's how it should be =) |
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| 06:20.46 | canllaith | aseigo: what is the term for describing what the systray does to applications? |
| 06:20.46 | canllaith | eg, docked? |
| 06:26.24 | slayerbob | "eats" |
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| 06:27.59 | snugglemonkey | would I happen to be able to kill a specific ssh connection if I know the address from which it is connecting? I can't seem to find the process to kill it... |
| 06:30.16 | sarah03 | snugglemonkey: 'netstat -p' will give you the process that's attached to the connection. |
| 06:30.50 | snugglemonkey | sarah03: you are my hero... |
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| 06:32.14 | aseigo | sarah03: sadly, no. |
| 06:32.40 | aseigo | sarah03: i've been pushing for acceptance of my "picture of naked aseigo when you press up up down down left right left right ctrl-a crtl-b" but it keeps getting rejected =( |
| 06:32.46 | sarah03 | lol |
| 06:32.48 | aseigo | s,but,patch but, |
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| 06:33.31 | aseigo | snugglemonkey: free lives, nekid aseigo. so similar, really. |
| 06:33.38 | sarah03 | lol |
| 06:33.41 | snugglemonkey | hah. |
| 06:34.05 | snugglemonkey | I think it might go over much better with someone less hetero than myself. |
| 06:34.40 | aseigo | snugglemonkey: dude, i've been known to make even the straightest of arrows consider bending a bit |
| 06:34.49 | aseigo | or was it run gagging? |
| 06:34.50 | aseigo | i forget |
| 06:34.53 | aseigo | one or the other |
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| 06:36.26 | *** topic/#kde is || KDE 3.3.2 and 3.4 Beta 2 are out - http://kde.org/announcements/announce-3.3.2.php || KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/ - the answer to your question might already be here =) || Don't flood the channel, use a paste service! http://rafb.net/paste/ || |
| 06:37.12 | snugglemonkey | aseigo: just wondering... are you happy with your 64 bit system? Do you run "other" os's on it besides linux? |
| 06:38.30 | aseigo | no |
| 06:38.44 | aseigo | some people run win64 on it and it blows |
| 06:38.51 | aseigo | moreso than usual |
| 06:38.55 | aseigo | (people at the office that is) |
| 06:39.16 | aseigo | win32 is slightly less frustrating on it, but its still not great |
| 06:39.24 | aseigo | and i haven't tried any other Unixy OSes on it |
| 06:39.39 | snugglemonkey | Hm. Ok. Just wondering. I'm running into some serious issues with the 32 bit arch. lately. Mostly to do with page file limitations and memory limitations. Makes me sniffle. |
| 06:39.51 | snugglemonkey | So, there is no hope on the horizon. |
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| 06:39.57 | aseigo | what other OS are you wanting to run on it? |
| 06:39.59 | aseigo | oh.. windows? |
| 06:40.13 | snugglemonkey | Yep. My design software doesn't have a linux brother. |
| 06:40.44 | snugglemonkey | ANd it bumps into the windows page limitations... and physical memory limitations rather quickly. |
| 06:41.03 | snugglemonkey | Oh well, just thought I would check to see if you knew by chance. |
| 06:41.13 | aseigo | which design software is this? |
| 06:41.25 | snugglemonkey | SolidWorks - specifically, FEA. |
| 06:41.57 | aseigo | ah.. i see |
| 06:42.04 | snugglemonkey | I've been doing some non-linear stuff that is creating matrices that are way huge.... last one took 2 weeks to solve. :'( |
| 06:42.30 | snugglemonkey | Also, KDE related... |
| 06:42.33 | chris_121 | In the CAD arena, several established software makers are already offering Linux versions, and others have announced that they are under consideration or development. They include Pro/Engineer and SolidWorks. SolidWorks have also ported Macsyma maths software and a 3D Java viewer to Linux. |
| 06:42.52 | snugglemonkey | Solidworks?!? |
| 06:43.07 | chris_121 | i just searched for solidworks linux in google |
| 06:43.12 | snugglemonkey | That's funny, I pay a shitload of money to them every year, nad I haven't hear of that. |
| 06:43.21 | sarah03 | Hmm. It's interesting to see g++ listed in the outp;ut of ' |
| 06:43.25 | sarah03 | 'netstat -tp'. |
| 06:44.57 | gregday_ | sarah03: havent you heard? gcc has product activation now <_< |
| 06:45.09 | sarah03 | lol |
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| 06:46.01 | pestil | hell |
| 06:46.03 | pestil | o |
| 06:46.43 | chris_121 | @snugglemonkey i thought ProE was already native for the big Unix Workstations , so its was no problem to have a linux version ready |
| 06:47.12 | slayerbob | i thought most CAD applications were developed for unix systems |
| 06:47.17 | slayerbob | i guess i was wrong :( |
| 06:47.20 | snugglemonkey | They were. |
| 06:47.24 | snugglemonkey | "were" |
| 06:47.28 | pestil | were |
| 06:47.32 | slayerbob | it must be my false information from when iwas atuniversity |
| 06:47.43 | slayerbob | which admittedly was a very long time ago now :P |
| 06:47.45 | pestil | How long ago was that lad? |
| 06:47.49 | snugglemonkey | Nope, I used catia on a sparc. |
| 06:48.07 | slayerbob | pestil: last millenium |
| 06:48.25 | slayerbob | that's potentially up to 1005 years ago :P |
| 06:48.26 | pestil | dikes! |
| 06:48.31 | gregday_ | Thank God I can use Kate on OS X |
| 06:48.41 | sarah03 | They were; but the PHBs didn't like having to spend the money on the Real Workstations so that the CAD guys could do their job, most likely. |
| 06:49.28 | snugglemonkey | chris_121: I think I have arrived at the article of which you are speaking. |
| 06:49.36 | pestil | snugglemonkey: How can I know when to draw the line with a big KDE problem? Meaning, how can I tell when reinstalling would probably be less trouble than fixing it? |
| 06:49.58 | aseigo | gregday_: heh. so you have a decent editor on OS X? ;) |
| 06:50.21 | gregday_ | aseigo: my vimrc is all screwed up, so i kinda need kate right now |
| 06:50.37 | gregday_ | aseigo: it blows my mind that stuff like BBEdit exists, and people pay for it |
| 06:50.46 | aseigo | erg. i would die w/out a decent vimrc. |
| 06:50.55 | gregday_ | kate is my favorite editor ever. after vim. |
| 06:50.58 | snugglemonkey | pestil: There are tons more KDE-Wise/intelligent people here than I. I personally reinstall nearly 3 times a week. |
| 06:51.03 | aseigo | gregday_: yeah.. though when you're starving a bowl of mush looks like a banquette ;) |
| 06:51.12 | snugglemonkey | petsil, I'm not the best at trouble shooting yet. |
| 06:51.14 | pestil | snugglemonkey: oh! |
| 06:51.16 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 06:51.32 | aseigo | that app is seriously ancient. good stuff when i used it. have no idea what it's like these days |
| 06:51.35 | pestil | snugglemonkey: would you be so kind to point me in the right direction? |
| 06:52.03 | sarah03 | snugglemonkey: Heh. I reinstall maybe once every few months, once a month at most. Mostly because I'm grabbing a new copy of HEAD and spending the few days required to build it. |
| 06:52.10 | gregday_ | aseigo: it has way more crap than can be allowed and still keep the name Bare Bones |
| 06:52.21 | aseigo | pestil: what is the problem? |
| 06:52.23 | snugglemonkey | pestil: what is your distro? |
| 06:52.31 | aseigo | gregday: haha.. yeah, it's always been like that though |
| 06:52.47 | sarah03 | I remember BBEdit. Long ago. On System 7. |
| 06:52.57 | aseigo | gregday: when it first arrived it was this really lean but seriously mean and featured app. much like kwrite is these days. |
| 06:53.22 | sarah03 | [Back when the default text editor shipped with the OS was closer to a word processor.] |
| 06:53.23 | aseigo | it'sa great example of why commercial software sucks: it will kill ANY application that's good due to sleekness because you have to keep updating it to make $ |
| 06:53.32 | gregday_ | i dont get the deal with kwrite. i use either kedit or kate |
| 06:53.34 | aseigo | so you will eventually kill that sleekness. sometimes you have to STOP doing that. |
| 06:53.48 | aseigo | same thing with languages. |
| 06:54.07 | gregday_ | OSX's TextEdit.app isn't bad. it opens MS Word docs too |
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| 06:54.12 | slayerbob | :P |
| 06:54.14 | aseigo | i have a theory with languages: once a language does most everything it's supposed to well, the designers should start a new language somewhere else |
| 06:54.23 | aseigo | or be shot. i'm not sure which really. |
| 06:54.24 | aseigo | slayerbob: =P |
| 06:54.28 | pestil_ | hello? I got disconnected. Did you people read my last posting? |
| 06:54.31 | pestil_ | again, here goes |
| 06:54.31 | gregday_ | the language will evolve until it can send email and then stop |
| 06:54.32 | pestil_ | See, I recompiled the kdelibs in Mandrake, taking the source from KDE website repository. I trimmed out all errors spewed by make. But, well, now, after all is said and done, Linux loads KDM, and then starts loading KDE (and shows the dialog starting up), but right when it's supposed to show the desktop, it just shows the background. No icons, no panel, just the background. The splash "reported" that the KDE Desktop was loaded. What chance have I of fixing th |
| 06:54.58 | slayerbob | is it possible to have a language that does everything it is supposed to ? |
| 06:55.11 | sarah03 | slayerbob: Look at Brainfuck. |
| 06:55.19 | sarah03 | ;) |
| 06:55.19 | pestil_ | aseigo: Do I know you from somewhere? Your f-- nick sounds familiar. |
| 06:55.22 | slayerbob | you know, given that we have so far barely scratched the surface of possible computer technology... |
| 06:55.38 | slayerbob | sarah03: don't know what that is :P |
| 06:56.21 | sarah03 | slayerbob: You've never heard of the language called brainfuck? http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/ |
| 06:57.58 | slayerbob | would not conditionals be tricky in such a language ? |
| 06:58.25 | pestil_ | sarah03: have you heard about c.o.w. programming language? http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/ |
| 06:58.34 | aseigo | snugglemonkey: that it is. i smell better though. |
| 06:58.54 | aseigo | pestil: do you keep up with kde devel at all? |
| 06:58.57 | sarah03 | slayerbob: You just asked if a it was possible to have a language that does everything it was supposed to. |
| 06:59.05 | slayerbob | oh :P |
| 06:59.18 | slayerbob | i meant in the context of languages being continually expanded :P |
| 06:59.51 | snugglemonkey | pestil_: mandrake has packages for 3.3, I believe... pre built, have you tried to use those? |
| 06:59.52 | pestil_ | aseigo: not much no |
| 07:00.31 | pestil_ | snugglemonkey: I rebuilt the kdelibs as part of the installation of a program which required an itsy modification of kdelibs source |
| 07:00.43 | aseigo | pestil_: ok. well. who knows then. =) my blog is aseigo.blogspot.com ... it gets picked up from time to time ... like the kde on windows thing on slashdot in december |
| 07:00.46 | pestil_ | aseigo: are you like the icaza of kde' |
| 07:00.59 | aseigo | well, i'm not mexican if that's what you're implying ;) |
| 07:01.31 | aseigo | and i don't know if i'm particularly the icaza of kde, but i do get around from time to time =) |
| 07:01.46 | snugglemonkey | pestil_: ah. mandrake is perhaps the worst distro to try and "customize" things. It is very weird. I have it on a few machines myself. |
| 07:01.46 | pestil_ | yeah the blog! nice, I just met a celebrity! I didn't remember you so ugly though |
| 07:02.04 | aseigo | ahahahaa... so ugly? damn! |
| 07:02.11 | pestil_ | snugglemonkey: any suggestions (besides gentoo, debian, slackware please) |
| 07:02.29 | slayerbob | slackware :) |
| 07:02.44 | snugglemonkey | pestil_: no suggestions. keep mandrake. Just be prepared for the extra battles. |
| 07:02.47 | pestil_ | aseigo: you prolly did some kde/gnome rant or somn |
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| 07:03.22 | pestil_ | aseigo: you're probably the legendary guy that switched from gnome to kde. |
| 07:03.23 | rekcahx_ | debian is very easy to install & use |
| 07:03.41 | |QuaD| | is there a good OOo/koffice comparison sheet? i am not sure which will best suit me |
| 07:04.30 | snugglemonkey | |QuaD|: do you interface with MSOffice often? |
| 07:04.41 | |QuaD| | snugglemonkey: occassionally |
| 07:05.06 | rekcahx_ | slayerbob: i am :) |
| 07:05.09 | |QuaD| | everything will be written on my linux box, occassionally edited from MSoffice |
| 07:05.24 | snugglemonkey | |QuaD|: Then, at the moment, Koffice doesn't do the best job translating. So, OOo is the only one for you currently. |
| 07:05.26 | slayerbob | rekcahx_: you are particularly legendary ? |
| 07:05.37 | rekcahx_ | ah, sorry |
| 07:05.38 | pestil_ | aseigo: ok so you look knowledgeable. Whaddaya recommend for my afore mentioned problem. Try to invest time troubleshooting, or just plain reinstall (is it really that bad if it says it "loads the desktop" message). ? |
| 07:06.12 | slayerbob | pestil_: if you have to ask that question you are probably better off to reinstall :) |
| 07:06.17 | |QuaD| | snugglemonkey: ok... but if i plan to stay purely on my linux box, what awould your reccomendation be? |
| 07:06.20 | pestil_ | dikes |
| 07:06.55 | aseigo | pestil_: sorry. i was out and just got back in and missed your original problem. |
| 07:07.00 | aseigo | pestil_: what was it exactly? |
| 07:07.08 | pestil_ | slayerbob: yeah, the thing is that I invested over 36 hours without sleep to get mandrake to sort out all dependency problems to be able to install that particular app |
| 07:07.09 | aseigo | snugglemonkey: haha.. dude, you ARE the legend. |
| 07:07.31 | gregday_ | mismouses |
| 07:07.34 | gregday_ | that's a new word for me |
| 07:07.35 | snugglemonkey | |QuaD|: Soley in linux, then I'd still go with Ooo just because of the fact that I use many office functions that I know where to find in Ooo due to my "cross pollination" in the windows software. |
| 07:07.39 | pestil_ | ok, if everybody here doesn't mind, i will post the whole thing again for aseigo |
| 07:07.40 | pestil_ | See, I recompiled the kdelibs in Mandrake, taking the source from KDE website repository. I trimmed out all errors spewed by make. But, well, now, after all is said and done, Linux loads KDM, and then starts loading KDE (and shows the dialog starting up), but right when it's supposed to show the desktop, it just shows the background. No icons, no panel, just the background. The splash "reported" that the KDE Desktop was loaded. What chance have I of fixing th |
| 07:07.56 | |QuaD| | snugglemonkey: so you reccomenend OOo all around? |
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| 07:08.16 | snugglemonkey | |QuaD|: regretfully, yes. :( |
| 07:08.31 | snugglemonkey | people might beat me up for that, but yes. |
| 07:08.40 | slayerbob | ah she not here :( |
| 07:08.49 | snugglemonkey | |QuaD|: what distro are you using? |
| 07:08.50 | pestil_ | where is canllaith |
| 07:08.51 | |QuaD| | snugglemonkey: why regrettfully? |
| 07:08.53 | |QuaD| | ubuntu |
| 07:08.55 | pestil_ | I invoke thee |
| 07:09.02 | pestil_ | canllaith, I invoke thee |
| 07:09.05 | aseigo | pestil_: ah.. i see... you just compiled kdelibs only? |
| 07:09.15 | snugglemonkey | |QuaD|: I wish koffice were better, as it has great potential. |
| 07:09.18 | aseigo | pestil_: if so ... did you install it over the old ones? |
| 07:09.19 | pestil_ | uhm. yesss? why? |
| 07:09.25 | pestil_ | yes, why? |
| 07:09.32 | slayerbob | heh |
| 07:09.47 | pestil_ | i used the ./configure --prefix=/usr command |
| 07:09.50 | aseigo | if you do `ldd /usr/bin/kdesktop` does it show any missing libs? |
| 07:09.56 | pestil_ | but they were the same version! |
| 07:10.12 | snugglemonkey | |QuaD|: But Ooo has tons of support and developers, and has come a long way really fast. Some say it's bloated, but I'd say it's "big boned" |
| 07:10.32 | pestil_ | aseigo: lemme write that command down, cuz im not in mdk now. |
| 07:10.39 | pestil_ | aseigo: would you hold on while I reboot? |
| 07:10.40 | pestil_ | brb |
| 07:10.41 | |QuaD| | snugglemonkey: that works :) how is koffice reading ooo files? |
| 07:10.45 | aseigo | pestil_: i'll be here all night |
| 07:10.47 | snugglemonkey | bad. |
| 07:10.59 | pestil_ | aseigo: in short, what is the message you would be saying between the lines? |
| 07:11.02 | |QuaD| | snugglemonkey: so koffice is just for koffice? |
| 07:11.23 | aseigo | pestil_: well, it'll show a bunch of lines. one for each library that kdesktop relies on |
| 07:11.29 | aseigo | pestil_: and it will say things like: |
| 07:11.39 | aseigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.47 | pestil_ | snugglemonkey: please don't forget that OOo has not been open source from the ground up. Before being open source, it was a multimillion dollar commercial project |
| 07:11.48 | snugglemonkey | |QuaD|: Really bad.... so your assumption is right. I dream of being able to code in C so i can someday take the OOo translators and use them in Koffice. |
| 07:11.57 | aseigo | but if something got MUNGED, it won't have that address on the end. it'll say something about not finding hte lib |
| 07:12.21 | pestil_ | aseigo: woo! you do know your stuff! you might help me ! yay! brb |
| 07:12.27 | snugglemonkey | pestil_: scroll up and read where I said that same thing. :) It had tons of backing. |
| 07:12.37 | |QuaD| | snugglemonkey: hehe, ok :) is the view point of most others the same as yours? |
| 07:12.44 | pestil_ | like they say, its better been smarter than you look! :-D |
| 07:13.19 | pestil_ | snugglemonkey: you did? sorry. Maybe it was the moment I was briefly disconnected. |
| 07:13.36 | pestil_ | snugglemonkey: ok, I take the points away from aseigo and pass them to you |
| 07:13.37 | aseigo | yes... OOo is also ~20 yrs old... devel started on it in the 80s |
| 07:13.43 | aseigo | lol |
| 07:13.46 | pestil_ | ok ppl, bbiaw cuz gotta reboot to linux |
| 07:13.51 | aseigo | pestil_: see ya son |
| 07:13.53 | aseigo | er, soon |
| 07:14.47 | snugglemonkey | how much longer to star wars anyway? |
| 07:15.03 | aseigo | who cares. it's going to suck. |
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| 07:15.19 | snugglemonkey | haha, always the pessimist. |
| 07:15.28 | snugglemonkey | they have been going downhill. |
| 07:15.36 | aseigo | pessimist. or realist? =) |
| 07:15.57 | aseigo | yeah. lukas is beyond being creative now. |
| 07:15.59 | snugglemonkey | like red m&m |
| 07:16.00 | aseigo | he's just pandering |
| 07:16.11 | snugglemonkey | ...padding retirement... |
| 07:16.21 | lippel|zzz | does episode 2 suck as much as episode 1? |
| 07:16.35 | aseigo | lippel|zzz: no .. it's better |
| 07:16.47 | aseigo | but that's only because they didn't spend time with jar jar and the amphibians |
| 07:16.51 | lippel|zzz | i fell asleep in the cinema watching episode1. |
| 07:16.57 | aseigo | hhhahaha |
| 07:17.08 | aseigo | yeah... the dvd versions of the original trilogy are amazing. still. |
| 07:17.21 | aseigo | 20-30 yrs on and they still rock. that's the defintion of "classic" |
| 07:17.29 | CapNemo | time to sleep .. already 2am .. good night all :) |
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| 07:17.55 | aseigo | trying to make 12 year olds and people who'd rather watch Gone With the Wind anyways is a recipe for stupidity and forgetful film |
| 07:18.04 | aseigo | snugglemonkey: heh. the dvd's are an improvement. |
| 07:18.26 | |QuaD| | i asked in kontact, but they said to ask in the mailing list. while iam here i figuredi will give it one last shot, does anyone knw how to export mail from thunderbird to contact? |
| 07:18.36 | aseigo | snugglemonkey: the sound and visuals are great. i just wish he'd cut out some of the new stuff from episode III though |
| 07:18.49 | aseigo | |QuaD|: you don't have to! |
| 07:18.57 | |QuaD| | aseigo: ... |
| 07:18.58 | aseigo | |QuaD|: they both store in standard formats.. |
| 07:19.09 | |QuaD| | ok... how do i import it then |
| 07:19.10 | aseigo | |QuaD|: just move the files over to ~/Mail and voila |
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| 07:20.22 | aseigo | |QuaD|: there's also a less manual wway |
| 07:20.50 | aseigo | |QuaD|: in kontact, click on the mail icon.. go under the Tools menu. select Import Mail.. choose the "UNIX / Evolution" option an go for it |
| 07:21.17 | |QuaD| | aseigo: i just did a mv... and it worked beautifully! |
| 07:21.33 | aseigo | yay! |
| 07:22.00 | snugglemonkey | aseigo continues to decimate the help channel statistics tonight.... ladies and gentlemen, this is truely amazing.... |
| 07:22.10 | aseigo | lol |
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| 07:22.31 | aseigo | years of reading code in kde's cvs finally pays off! =P |
| 07:22.47 | slayerbob | you found another joke to tell at parties then ? |
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| 07:23.19 | aseigo | snugglemonkey: you have one of those too, huh? |
| 07:23.26 | snugglemonkey | :'( |
| 07:23.29 | snugglemonkey | damn. |
| 07:23.35 | aseigo | gregday__: oh my. soon it will be gregday____________________________________________ |
| 07:23.40 | snugglemonkey | you are my long lost twin brother. |
| 07:23.51 | snugglemonkey | and you took all the damn brains. |
| 07:23.55 | aseigo | snugglemonkey: i've always felt i had a twin out there somewhere |
| 07:23.56 | snugglemonkey | jerque. |
| 07:24.12 | snugglemonkey | I look a tad more freeky though. |
| 07:24.16 | aseigo | |QuaD|: btw, regarding the CLI kmail ... no plans atm |
| 07:24.36 | |QuaD| | aseigo: :) how come? |
| 07:24.46 | aseigo | |QuaD|: the efforts right now are primarily going into polishing kontact and getting support in for every groupware server known to humankind |
| 07:25.06 | snugglemonkey | HEY! I found out why my Kmail won't talk with my imap server... and the previous kmail does.... |
| 07:25.08 | aseigo | perhaps someone will come around with the skills and motivation though =) |
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| 07:25.30 | aseigo | maybe after allen winter gets done with konsole calendar he'll move on to other things? =) |
| 07:25.41 | aseigo | but really, the easiest thing to do is just use imap + mutt |
| 07:25.42 | |QuaD| | snugglemonkey: why? |
| 07:25.46 | aseigo | and imap + kmail |
| 07:25.55 | snugglemonkey | they changed to some cyrus thing that apparently doesn't like my mail server. |
| 07:26.05 | |QuaD| | aseigo: maybe i will put myskills to work and make a konsolekmail |
| 07:26.05 | |QuaD| | haha |
| 07:26.10 | |QuaD| | who am i kidding, no idea how |
| 07:26.30 | |QuaD| | there is no way to filter and move to a remote (imap) folder? |
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| 07:27.02 | |QuaD| | though i am decent at c :) |
| 07:27.07 | snugglemonkey | The error I get is: Authorization failed, An error occured during authentication: SASL(-4): no mechanism available: No worthy mechs found authentication not supported |
| 07:27.30 | aseigo | snugglemonkey: oi ... tried changing the auth method then? |
| 07:27.46 | snugglemonkey | I've tried every permutation. |
| 07:28.16 | |QuaD| | whats the difference between disconnected imap and imap? |
| 07:28.34 | snugglemonkey | |QuaD|: one had bad relationships in highschool. |
| 07:28.39 | |QuaD| | lol |
| 07:29.02 | aseigo | dimap allows you to read mail offline by storing local copies |
| 07:29.15 | |QuaD| | does it ALWAYS sync back to the imap server though? |
| 07:29.17 | aseigo | basically, it's like syncing to a PDA, where the PDA is your mail server |
| 07:29.18 | snugglemonkey | like pop, but not really. |
| 07:29.30 | aseigo | no, not always. only when needed |
| 07:29.57 | aseigo | it's nice because you get the "available from other locations" niceness of imap |
| 07:30.03 | aseigo | but the filterability and offline capabilities ofpop |
| 07:30.23 | |QuaD| | define "only when needed" |
| 07:31.12 | PaT- | hi guys... just seen the the thread on lists.kde.org about "Future of KDE Development"... I cant believe were heading for KDE 4! Its seems like yesterday when i was downloading KDE 1.x snapshots and compiling them on my 486... So scary :) |
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| 07:31.30 | snugglemonkey | aseigo: I think that the issue is that i need to connect to my smtp through port 587, and it seems like kmail doesn't like to do that for some reason. The old version (kde 3.2) worked with the same settings... and also with autodetect. This version peters out. |
| 07:31.37 | aseigo | PaT-: yeah. time goes by quickly =) |
| 07:31.46 | aseigo | PaT-: and just you wait. kde4 is going to be seriously unreal |
| 07:31.52 | |QuaD| | PaT-: what is coming up in KDE4 ? |
| 07:32.17 | PaT- | quad: If only I knew :) |
| 07:32.36 | aseigo | qt4, for one. which is more efficient and even more powerful. |
| 07:32.42 | aseigo | a new multimedia framework that sucks less. |
| 07:33.00 | |QuaD| | :) |
| 07:33.00 | aseigo | some new concepts in information storage and retrieval. |
| 07:33.10 | PaT- | new multimedia framework... just when arts was starting to work nicely... :) |
| 07:33.10 | aseigo | and a lot of application development =) |
| 07:33.12 | snugglemonkey | ...usability... |
| 07:33.25 | aseigo | PaT-: well ... thing is we've hit the wall with arts. |
| 07:33.28 | |QuaD| | kontact is soooo nice |
| 07:33.56 | aseigo | oh, and we'll have a brand new HIG in KDE 4 |
| 07:34.16 | PaT- | yeah... and with dmix by default in the next alsa, "do-it-all sound servers are finally gonna die :) |
| 07:34.37 | aseigo | all the apps will conform to it ... konqueror will have a filemanager and a webbrowser incarnation that's clearer than the one now. the control center is getting re done. |
| 07:34.59 | aseigo | developmentally, we're moving to subversion and a new build system. |
| 07:35.07 | aseigo | that will make devel go a bit smoother =) |
| 07:35.33 | aseigo | the panel is going to become a lot more dynamic. less "grey square" more "unobtrusively useful" |
| 07:35.36 | PaT- | yup... i think konqy needs some love.. dont get me wrong: i love konqy... but the ui sucks a little... |
| 07:36.01 | aseigo | and if things go as they appear to be going, what's really great is that all these improvements will actually result in a desktop that takes FEWER resources! |
| 07:36.15 | aseigo | PaT-: workin' on it =) |
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| 07:36.27 | snugglemonkey | I'm taking off. Time to sleep. It was fun talking tonight. Bis Spater. |
| 07:36.35 | aseigo | snugglemonkey: see ya |
| 07:36.47 | slayerbob | aseigo: nice :) |
| 07:36.50 | |QuaD| | in calendar in contact, how do i import from a remote ical server? |
| 07:37.02 | aseigo | |QuaD|: you need to set up a calendar resource... |
| 07:37.15 | |QuaD| | how do i do that? |
| 07:38.46 | aseigo | this kind of sucks.. but. go to the control center. KDE Components -> Resources.. select calendar from the drop down.. hit Add.. |
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| 07:39.01 | PaT- | aseigo: i do also work on it... as an amateur coder you know, and a long-time kde user... but some things are just horrible, the toolbars configuration with arbitrary limitations (why cant i put the Print... icon in the khtml_view toolbar???) |
| 07:39.08 | aseigo | and hopefully you have an option built in there that supports ical servers =) |
| 07:39.42 | aseigo | PaT-: yeah... we're looking into improving XMLGUI for kde4 fairly significantly |
| 07:40.14 | aseigo | "ecks em el you-ee what? |
| 07:41.31 | PaT- | anyway... the ui-review freeze is a nice idea... |
| 07:41.33 | |QuaD| | aseigo: it worked |
| 07:41.48 | PaT- | most needed. |
| 07:42.27 | aseigo | |QuaD|: another happy customer =) |
| 07:42.33 | aseigo | PaT-: i think so =) |
| 07:42.56 | slackd00d | finally fot 3.4beta 2 up and running yay |
| 07:43.59 | aseigo | ding! ding! ding! |
| 07:48.05 | PaT- | i just wonder what will happen when all the kde devs start porting to qt4... currently, the biggest customer of trolltech qt technology is probably KDE, and almost no testing has happened by kde devs... i fear the bugs count will grow quite quickly... is it realistic to think qt can deliver a qt 4.0 final in june... |
| 07:48.48 | lauri | there's been quite a lot of testing going on in fact |
| 07:49.20 | PaT- | not in public i guess... thats why i wasnt aware... |
| 07:49.54 | lauri | and I'm not entirely sure we're their biggest customer either (depends greatly what metric you use to define 'biggest') |
| 07:50.35 | lauri | we could probably death match against adobe and find out |
| 07:50.44 | PaT- | well, at least, in the "linux world" were surely their best publicity :) |
| 07:51.01 | aseigo | PaT-: zrusin and i have written nearly a whole bittorrent client in qt4 |
| 07:51.12 | aseigo | PaT-: so to say we haven't been testing it is a bit of a stretch =) |
| 07:51.20 | PaT- | aseigo : and u keep it for yourself! :) |
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| 07:51.49 | aseigo | PaT-: heh. for now.. we'll release soon after qt4 goes production i'm sure |
| 07:52.10 | aseigo | PaT-: a lot of us are actually grabbing daily snapshots of qt4 over subversion |
| 07:52.37 | aseigo | PaT-: and Trolltech has been really responsive, more so than usual even, to our requests... |
| 07:54.21 | lauri | oh and aseigo did you notice who finally discovered irc |
| 07:54.25 | aseigo | and yes, i thin it's realistic that Qt 4.0 will go outin june.. |
| 07:54.33 | aseigo | lauri: no. who? |
| 07:54.55 | lauri | FransE was visiting yesterday |
| 07:55.07 | aseigo | oh yeah... we chatted today |
| 07:55.17 | aseigo | he seems to be in better spirits these days |
| 07:55.31 | lauri | actually yeah |
| 07:55.59 | lauri | we've managed to have an entire email conversation lately that didn't devolve into us calling each other names by the third mail |
| 07:57.29 | mobtek | were there naah nahh's? |
| 07:57.33 | mobtek | :0 |
| 07:57.34 | mobtek | :P |
| 07:58.53 | aseigo | lauri: yeah.. he sent some design concepts by email and we discussed those as well.. good times. |
| 07:59.16 | aseigo | seriously, i think that both ben and frans can be great allies in the great HIGification of KDE4 |
| 07:59.27 | aseigo | they are both able to put in lots of effort when given direction |
| 07:59.58 | aseigo | as long as they can maintain sanity, we'll have a couple of great workhorse |
| 07:59.59 | aseigo | s |
| 08:00.07 | lauri | yeah they're kinda like spooky horses though, needing blinders to get them to even see the right direction before you can point 'em in it |
| 08:00.09 | aseigo | lauri: are you going to malaga this year? |
| 08:00.14 | slayerbob | there are sane developers ? |
| 08:00.15 | lauri | looks like it |
| 08:00.29 | lauri | slayerbob: yes, but we try to keep them drunk so nobody can tell |
| 08:00.46 | slayerbob | lauri: good plan :) |
| 08:01.05 | |QuaD| | are there plans to make kopete's UI nicer? |
| 08:01.23 | aseigo | |QuaD|: done in 3.4 |
| 08:01.29 | aseigo | PaT-: canadian? |
| 08:01.38 | |QuaD| | aseigo: i tried using 3.3's and kopete is horrible |
| 08:01.39 | |QuaD| | :( |
| 08:01.43 | PaT- | export |
| 08:01.50 | aseigo | PaT-: and kicker in CVS? if so... ask away and and i'll answer |
| 08:02.06 | aseigo | |QuaD|: yeah. it's a lot nicer in 3.4. nice eye candy, good functionality. great integratoin. |
| 08:02.17 | aseigo | |QuaD|: i love how when i'm reading emails i can see the online status of the person who wrot eit =) |
| 08:02.30 | aseigo | or how it shows the pic of the person in kopete from the addressbook |
| 08:02.34 | aseigo | etc, etc |
| 08:02.40 | |QuaD| | aseigo: its just so hard to use now... hhah.... i will look forward to that |
| 08:02.55 | |QuaD| | aseigo: are there screenshots of the beta anywhere? |
| 08:03.55 | aseigo | |QuaD|: yeah.. i think someone posted some links to the articles on dot.kde.org and osnews.com |
| 08:04.06 | |QuaD| | is there a version number? |
| 08:04.31 | aseigo | a versoin number for......? |
| 08:04.36 | |QuaD| | the beta :) |
| 08:04.53 | PaT- | is it just me (drinkin too much) or does xorg 6.8.2 feels faster (displaying fonts) |
| 08:05.07 | aseigo | yeah, it's faster.. |
| 08:05.11 | aseigo | |QuaD|: 3.3.92 |
| 08:05.30 | slayerbob | how can you tell ? |
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| 08:05.42 | PaT- | slayerbob : in konsole |
| 08:05.56 | slayerbob | they display pretty much instantly here :S |
| 08:06.12 | slayerbob | maybe i will notice when my X.org magically updates itself |
| 08:06.36 | aseigo | slayerbob: it's the little things, esp with AA fonts on slower boxes |
| 08:06.46 | aseigo | or quickly scrolling screens, like konsole |
| 08:06.54 | PaT- | when im in mc, moving in dirs... somehow, the blue selector bar goes up and down faster than before... now my 10 year training is all fucked up and i miss half of my targets... |
| 08:06.54 | slayerbob | heh |
| 08:06.56 | aseigo | konsole with AA on is, really, the ultimate torture test |
| 08:07.08 | slayerbob | my konsole scrolling is limited by the fact that i am on a 256kbps connection |
| 08:07.10 | aseigo | PaT-: ahahahaa... |
| 08:07.15 | aseigo | PaT-: so.. where are you exactly? |
| 08:07.18 | slayerbob | and most of the things running in it are on remote boxes |
| 08:07.44 | slayerbob | so you already know then aseigo ? |
| 08:08.01 | PaT- | aseigo: in quebec, a little region called lac-st-jean, in a little town called normandin |
| 08:08.23 | aseigo | PaT-: i'm in calgary! |
| 08:08.53 | aseigo | lauri: i'm sure i could. customs, "um. what's in your pants sir?" me, "i'm emberessingly well endowed." *klink* |
| 08:09.00 | PaT- | aseigo: so now u know why i dont drink no molson "canadian", just kiddin |
| 08:09.19 | aseigo | PaT-: hahaha... |
| 08:09.33 | PaT- | aseigo: in fact, the molson canadian here is called "laurentides" |
| 08:09.36 | PaT- | no joke |
| 08:09.37 | aseigo | PaT-: one of the kde devs is actually from montreal (love that city, btw).. he's in ottawa now though.. chouimat |
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| 08:11.15 | PaT- | yeah... i love montreal too... but a little far away from me (6 hours car ride) |
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| 08:13.32 | PaT- | aseigo: as a true canadian, do u miss the flames?? or maybe the flames babes we saw last year.. :) |
| 08:16.00 | aseigo | dude, i was on the red mile EVERY night of that party |
| 08:16.10 | aseigo | even took my son out with me on a few occassions =) |
| 08:16.18 | aseigo | and yeah, no hockey == suckage. |
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| 08:23.50 | MEMEyou | what is the most cnvenient way to do web development over ssh/sftp? |
| 08:24.15 | MEMEyou | is there somethinhg like vfs? |
| 08:24.29 | lauri | fish, sftp |
| 08:24.36 | MEMEyou | fish? |
| 08:24.44 | lauri | both work in konqueror, and all file save/open dialogs in KDE apps |
| 08:25.07 | MEMEyou | what is fish? |
| 08:25.28 | lauri | help:/kioslave/fish.html |
| 08:25.58 | MEMEyou | is sftp a synonym for fish? |
| 08:26.02 | MEMEyou | or visa versa |
| 08:26.03 | lauri | no, sftp is sftp |
| 08:26.32 | MEMEyou | i just sued fish in konq |
| 08:26.34 | MEMEyou | used |
| 08:26.39 | MEMEyou | sexy thumbnails and all =P |
| 08:26.40 | lauri | http://docs.kde.org/en/3.3/kdebase/kioslave/fish.html if you don't have konqueror handy to look at the help locally |
| 08:27.01 | lauri | sftp does that too, use whichever (or both :) |
| 08:27.46 | MEMEyou | any thoughts on how they compare? sftp vs MC's vfs handler |
| 08:27.49 | lauri | in fact, since you can set different thumbnail settings and things for either, I use both (I have it turned off for sftp, so it's faster, if I want to do some quick moving things around, and fish for day to day) |
| 08:27.52 | lauri | what's MC? |
| 08:28.06 | aseigo | MEMEyou: if you wish to see all the protocols supported, open kinfocenter and click on protocols:/ |
| 08:28.08 | MEMEyou | "It uses the same protocol as MidnightCommander's #sh VFS handler." |
| 08:28.10 | aseigo | lauri: midnight commander |
| 08:28.13 | lauri | oh |
| 08:28.23 | aseigo | MEMEyou: fish is the same as MC's ssh stuff |
| 08:28.50 | aseigo | MEMEyou: but we also support ftp, sftp, scp, webdav, nfs, smb, camerca (gphoto), etc, etc, etc, etc |
| 08:28.50 | MEMEyou | it even works on the win2k3 boxes,cool |
| 08:28.57 | MEMEyou | (cygwin) |
| 08:29.05 | aseigo | MEMEyou: and it's available in any kde open file dialog, save dialog, konqi, etc. |
| 08:29.43 | MEMEyou | is kvim any good? |
| 08:29.59 | aseigo | it's decent. |
| 08:30.22 | aseigo | if i use a gui editor, it's kate all the way |
| 08:30.28 | aseigo | otherwise it's vim all the way |
| 08:30.32 | aseigo | but then, i'm a bit of a purist |
| 08:30.41 | MEMEyou | the shell vim isn't too interactive sometimes |
| 08:30.50 | aseigo | unless it's women or free drinks. then i have flexibility. =P |
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| 08:31.05 | MEMEyou | cos the remote is only on a t1 =\ |
| 08:31.14 | MEMEyou | on a diff backbone |
| 08:31.23 | PieD | hi |
| 08:31.31 | aseigo | lauri: i was thinking hte same thing |
| 08:31.33 | lauri | to think we'd ever see the day anything was "only on a t1" |
| 08:31.36 | aseigo | "only a t1" |
| 08:31.46 | MEMEyou | wel,, i get 3mbit @home |
| 08:31.53 | aseigo | yep. in MY day, a t1 was more than i made in a year =P |
| 08:31.55 | MEMEyou | they pay thousands, i pay $40 |
| 08:32.00 | MEMEyou | rofl |
| 08:32.39 | lauri | yeah, but back when we were young, and had to climb up a hill in the snow both ways to get to school which was the only place there *was* an internet connection |
| 08:33.01 | MEMEyou | until then Azureus and Kaffeine will do... |
| 08:33.03 | lauri | a T1 was ungodly amount of connection :) |
| 08:33.18 | MEMEyou | (poor man's tivo) |
| 08:33.45 | lauri | you can actually do full blown tivo setups with a tuner |
| 08:33.49 | lauri | freevo or mythtv |
| 08:33.58 | aseigo | because i couldn't afford a real unix box |
| 08:34.05 | aseigo | and i didn't want to go without, you know =P |
| 08:34.08 | MEMEyou | i rmember trying to get free internet though uvm.edu's dial-through 2400baud |
| 08:34.33 | lauri | aseigo: I started an ISP just so I could get internet connectivity :) |
| 08:34.39 | lauri | our first node had 8 modems |
| 08:34.43 | aseigo | lauri: that's initiative! |
| 08:34.43 | lauri | some days they were all used at once too! |
| 08:34.48 | aseigo | lol |
| 08:34.49 | PaT- | is "baud" still in the dictionnary? |
| 08:34.55 | aseigo | 8 people at ONCE?! |
| 08:35.07 | aseigo | PaT-: yes. under "olde english terms" |
| 08:35.15 | lauri | yeah, it was scary indeed |
| 08:35.16 | PaT- | :) |
| 08:35.25 | lauri | mind, at the time I ran a hardware store |
| 08:35.39 | lauri | we were still selling single floppies, most people didn't want a whole box :) |
| 08:35.41 | aseigo | nail and screws hardware? |
| 08:35.45 | lauri | no, computer hardware |
| 08:35.48 | aseigo | or nics and cpus hardware? |
| 08:35.48 | MEMEyou | we could have built a house with all the old 300baud XT modems |
| 08:35.50 | aseigo | ah.. ok. |
| 08:36.12 | lauri | I could run a nails and bolts hardware store though |
| 08:36.19 | aseigo | though the first ISP in hawaii, where he found the 'net, was started by shrimp farmers |
| 08:36.25 | lauri | my ex, when he bothered, was a carpenter :) |
| 08:36.44 | aseigo | he didn't bother much then? =) |
| 08:37.04 | lauri | let's say not, and leave it at that heh |
| 08:37.13 | PaT- | oh yeah... i remember learning computers trying to unfuck my 14,400 baud modem that was on COM1, IRQ3 |
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| 08:37.53 | oficinzilla | aseigo? |
| 08:38.04 | lauri | other than, I know arcane trivia about nails, probably more than any home depot salesperson I ever met |
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| 08:38.47 | Rama | Hello everybody ! I'd like to find an image out of Konqueror cache (default settings), is there any hope ? |
| 08:39.05 | lauri | well, define hope |
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| 08:39.34 | oficinzilla | how long ago did aseigo post here last time? |
| 08:39.40 | Rama | lauri: Hmmm reasonable probability of sucess |
| 08:39.53 | lauri | yes, you can probably find it fairly easily actually, if you dig for it |
| 08:39.55 | MEMEyou | i'm wauting for kdemultimedia to recompile w/ cdparanoia |
| 08:40.03 | MEMEyou | missing audiocd:/ |
| 08:40.28 | Rama | lauri: is it in .kde/cache-XXX/http/ ? |
| 08:40.31 | lauri | Rama: ok, find the cache is the first thing (~/.kde/cache-<yourhostname> |
| 08:40.32 | lauri | aye |
| 08:40.37 | lauri | http |
| 08:40.42 | Rama | OK |
| 08:40.51 | Rama | I was close then ! :) |
| 08:40.52 | lauri | then they're sorted by the domain name, and the files get the name in the front of them |
| 08:41.00 | oficinzilla | is there a way to beep people here? |
| 08:41.13 | oficinzilla | like /beep or somn |
| 08:41.13 | lauri | oficinzilla: calm down |
| 08:41.20 | oficinzilla | :( |
| 08:41.41 | lauri | oficinzilla: he's here, he was talking just a minute ago, and if there was a way to beep people, you can bet most of us would have it turned off |
| 08:42.12 | lauri | Rama: then they get a random bit on the end of the filename, but they're not altered or anything |
| 08:42.18 | aseigo | beep? don't mess with my music, boy! ;) |
| 08:42.40 | oficinzilla | lauri: :p |
| 08:42.44 | lauri | so you should be able to find them without too much trouble |
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| 08:43.07 | lauri | ohoh, markey is here, I have to go hide |
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| 08:43.18 | markey | moin |
| 08:43.23 | markey | saw you! |
| 08:43.26 | MEMEyou | damn, there is no vimpart 3.3 |
| 08:43.27 | lauri | heh |
| 08:43.56 | markey | too much chatting |
| 08:43.58 | Rama | lauri: it is weird, things which I had seen long ago appear, but not the one I'm looking for, which is only two days old :/ |
| 08:43.59 | lauri | our infamous raid server blew *another* disk out of the bad batch |
| 08:44.01 | markey | :) |
| 08:44.16 | MEMEyou | bad power? |
| 08:44.18 | lauri | markey: naw, I'm chatting at work, while pdf generation otherwise eats the cpu |
| 08:44.24 | lauri | no, it was a bad batch of disks |
| 08:44.42 | lauri | so far 4 out of 8 in that machine, and two others in two other machines, all from the same box |
| 08:44.43 | MEMEyou | ahh, i misswed that |
| 08:44.56 | sredna | Hello * |
| 08:44.57 | MEMEyou | what kind? |
| 08:45.09 | lauri | 160Gb Maxtor SATA's |
| 08:45.16 | MEMEyou | oi, i never buy maxtor |
| 08:45.22 | MEMEyou | or compusa |
| 08:45.25 | lauri | they're usually fine, this was a bad lot |
| 08:45.34 | MEMEyou | wd is as low as i go |
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| 08:45.55 | lauri | anyway, markey I need to take apart the raid server and blow it clean with all new disks, which means rearranging the 600Gb of data that's on it first |
| 08:45.55 | MEMEyou | else it's seagate, yum |
| 08:46.10 | markey | I see |
| 08:46.26 | MEMEyou | sounds liek fun |
| 08:46.43 | lauri | and that's also got the home directories for all my bulid machines (and mail storage) so until I get some of those back in shape, I can't fix the build error that i hit on sunday when I was actually making you a package :) |
| 08:46.44 | MEMEyou | (not) |
| 08:47.04 | Rama | Thanks for everyting ! |
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| 08:53.14 | MEMEyou | ok thats sweet, bookmarking the fish |
| 08:53.39 | lauri | fish is cool indeed |
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| 08:54.04 | MEMEyou | tree view is good to me right now |
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| 08:54.20 | lauri | heh, so I commandeer my 5 year olds computer, since she's not home in the days anyway, to be a builder box while the big ones are down |
| 08:54.38 | lauri | and think "oh, must to be updating gstreamer and friends, before testing this build" (since it is amarok) |
| 08:54.48 | lauri | well, that's been going since Tuesday |
| 08:55.18 | MEMEyou | what is gstreamer? |
| 08:55.31 | lauri | it's an audio... thingy |
| 08:55.44 | MEMEyou | i knew somewhat that much |
| 08:55.48 | lauri | it's not really a sound server, but it sort of is one |
| 08:56.09 | MEMEyou | an sdk for multimedia ala gnome? |
| 08:56.14 | lauri | thingy is about as close as I get to a real description (it's just got a million billion dependencies) |
| 08:57.11 | MEMEyou | cool, my audiocd:/ works now, and i didn't even have to purge my session |
| 08:58.06 | MEMEyou | hmm, file size view doesn't work with it though |
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| 09:03.11 | canllaith | Hey there lippel :) |
| 09:03.18 | PieD | hi |
| 09:03.28 | lippel | hi canllaith ;) |
| 09:04.14 | canllaith | Hey there PieD |
| 09:04.33 | canllaith | lippel: you are well? :) |
| 09:05.08 | lippel | canllaith: yeah, exam stress is over, so i feel pretty well now :) and you? |
| 09:05.51 | canllaith | Contemplating moving to Australia :) |
| 09:05.56 | canllaith | So a bit stressful, but exciting. |
| 09:06.13 | canllaith | I'm coming full circle, back to the town I was born in but left as a baby (so I don't really remember much about it) |
| 09:07.08 | lippel | job-related? or fed up with NZ? ;-) |
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| 09:07.21 | canllaith | Job related, my partner is a scientist and there is not so much work for him in NZ |
| 09:07.30 | canllaith | NZ is paradise and when I am rich and famous and do not need to work anymore, I will come back here ;) |
| 09:09.08 | MEMEyou | how come when i "Open With.." on a .php file it shows a "remember" checkbox. but not on a .tpl file |
| 09:09.37 | lippel | heh, i will go there then, too. in the summer i will reside in scandinavia, and in the winter in nz. |
| 09:10.01 | lippel | northern hemisphere summer/winter that means |
| 09:10.27 | canllaith | :) The weather here is glorious right now |
| 09:10.37 | canllaith | 30 degree days, hot and sunny with a cool breeze |
| 09:11.25 | lauri | that pretty much describers swedish summers too |
| 09:11.28 | lippel | sounds good. my personal optimum is around 25 C though. |
| 09:11.45 | lauri | except, we get it for 20+ hours a day (you can sunbathe at 11 pm in the summers) |
| 09:12.04 | MEMEyou | i had to add the extension in the CC |
| 09:12.28 | lauri | so what lippel said, june through october here, december through about april in NZ, the rest of the time hmm, perhaps I will just sail around being pampered on my private yacht |
| 09:12.55 | lippel | lauri: where can you sunbath at 11 pm? |
| 09:13.26 | aseigo | anywhere in the arctic circle in the summer |
| 09:13.49 | lippel | in sweden?? that must be the very north? |
| 09:13.55 | lauri | and a fair way south of it, for a month or so in midsummer (we don't have like 6 months of no dark) |
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| 09:15.13 | lauri | aseigo: I am not sure I'm even that far north |
| 09:15.49 | canllaith | To me, it's like gravity. The sun rises at 6am and sets at 7pm and that's just -how it is- |
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| 09:16.56 | luciash | hello |
| 09:17.02 | lauri | http://www.sunrisesunset.com/calendar.asp?comb_city_info=Stockholm,%20Sweden;-18;59.5;1;2&month=6&year=2005&time_type=0 |
| 09:17.31 | lauri | we're slightly north of there - if you drive 6 hours directly north, is where our summers are mostly spent though |
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| 09:18.11 | aseigo | canllaith: that's how it was in hawaii |
| 09:18.23 | canllaith | It's interesting how much you come to rely on it. |
| 09:18.25 | lauri | so ok, I was pushing it for 11pm, *here*, on the other hand, since the sun is only down at 10, it doesn't get dark until nearly midnight |
| 09:18.42 | canllaith | My parent would be 'be home by 7' so I'd start walking at dusk |
| 09:18.52 | lauri | oddly, I got used to *that* really quickly - the idea of having actual "seasons" still freaks me out a bit :) |
| 09:19.04 | canllaith | When I joined the military and got shipped down south for training it was really disorienting |
| 09:19.09 | lauri | canllaith: see, and in in winter, you'd have to leave at lunchtime to start at dusk :) |
| 09:19.15 | canllaith | I'd be sitting out the back having a smoke thinking 'Yep, it's daylight I have - heaps - of time' |
| 09:19.26 | canllaith | Go inside and go YIKES 9pm what IS this rubbish? |
| 09:19.34 | canllaith | heh yes, seasons freak me out. |
| 09:19.41 | canllaith | In Darwin there are two seasons. |
| 09:19.47 | lauri | hot and hotter? |
| 09:19.53 | canllaith | Stick your head out the window. Is it wet? Then it's the wet season. |
| 09:19.59 | canllaith | If it's not wet, it's the dry season. |
| 09:20.02 | lauri | heh |
| 09:20.10 | canllaith | and yes, it's explained to tourists as 'hot and hotter' :P |
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| 09:20.45 | Borg^Queen | Hey |
| 09:20.49 | canllaith | Heya borgy |
| 09:20.49 | lauri | here, some day in april or so, I will wake up and the snow will be gone, *all* the spring flowers will be out, the apple tree which looks like it's dead right now, will be all fuzzy and green, and it will be immediately 10 degrees C hotter than the day before |
| 09:21.01 | Borg^Queen | I'm getting an odd messege form a computer I'm working on here |
| 09:21.03 | lippel | canllaith: why do you have no seasons? since when do you live at the equator? |
| 09:21.04 | Borg^Queen | It says |
| 09:21.06 | Borg^Queen | Hey canllaith |
| 09:21.10 | Borg^Queen | WEll not that |
| 09:21.19 | luciash | :-D |
| 09:21.22 | lauri | then in june or so, I'll wake up agian and it's isn't raining, and it's again 10C hotter - and summer has arrived |
| 09:21.31 | canllaith | lippel: I grew up in Darwin in the very north of Australia |
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| 09:21.36 | canllaith | lippel: I have only lived in NZ for 2 years |
| 09:21.38 | lauri | lippel: and i grew up in the very far north of NZ |
| 09:21.44 | Borg^Queen | It says "can't get local yp domain.: Local domain name not set |
| 09:22.12 | canllaith | So I speak rough indonesian, am used to monsoonal rains and generally dress in sarongs and bare feet. |
| 09:22.12 | lippel | canllaith: ah, ok. found it on my map :) that's really near the equator. |
| 09:22.18 | lauri | where it's not as hot as darwin, but, daffodils flower most of the year round, trees drop their leaves all year round (but never all at once) and summer's just a bit hotter and less windy than winter |
| 09:22.25 | canllaith | Very strange part of Australia :) |
| 09:22.29 | Borg^Queen | I can't find where to set that |
| 09:24.26 | MEMEyou | could a developer's productivity be influenced by the font he uses? |
| 09:24.26 | canllaith | um |
| 09:24.31 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.47 | canllaith | my productivity is influenced by IM and IRC and mail clients not having monospaced fonts by default :| |
| 09:24.56 | lippel | MEMEyou: make a controlled experiment :) |
| 09:25.05 | lauri | I think so |
| 09:25.06 | canllaith | the amount of times I've confused I and l before deciding that this is really too much and changing them all |
| 09:25.28 | lauri | fonts that don't distinguish 0 and O or l and 1 clearly, can make it very hard to spot a typo or fix a bug |
| 09:25.37 | canllaith | Yup |
| 09:25.43 | canllaith | and not being able to clearly see -- for what it is |
| 09:25.54 | Borg^Queen | did anyone see my question? |
| 09:25.54 | lauri | too small and you still can mistake rn for m |
| 09:25.54 | canllaith | some fonts make it look like a slightly longer - |
| 09:25.56 | lauri | and so on |
| 09:25.58 | MEMEyou | serif and monospaced are best then |
| 09:26.05 | canllaith | Borg^Queen: Yes, we just don't know the answer |
| 09:26.16 | canllaith | Unless it's /etc/hosts, like I mentioned before |
| 09:26.24 | lauri | that's why there are 'programmers fonts' specially to deal with these things (I like neep if you can find it) |
| 09:26.25 | lippel | serif sucks on monitors imho |
| 09:26.48 | canllaith | I use Bitstream vera sans mono on kopete, kate, konversation, kmail and konsole |
| 09:26.52 | canllaith | and on drscheme heh |
| 09:27.00 | canllaith | I am wondering though |
| 09:27.05 | canllaith | for some reason I can't select certain fonts in KDE |
| 09:27.08 | lauri | it's pretty nice, it's missing a lot of non-english characters though, so I don't use it much |
| 09:27.10 | canllaith | I only have a choice of like, 5 fonts |
| 09:27.17 | lauri | http://www.jmknoble.net/fonts/ |
| 09:27.18 | canllaith | helvetica and lucida and other non true type fonts just don't show up |
| 09:27.19 | lauri | there is neep |
| 09:27.28 | canllaith | Does anyone know why this might be? |
| 09:27.34 | lauri | canllaith: put them in your X config the old fashoined way (with fontpaths) |
| 09:27.41 | canllaith | They are, I don't use a font server |
| 09:27.42 | MEMEyou | lippel: serif, meaning any font like times/bistream serif, book.. |
| 09:27.57 | canllaith | in drscheme and xterm and the like I can select say, lucida |
| 09:28.08 | lauri | it's not about font servers |
| 09:28.09 | MEMEyou | easier to read and distinguish 0 and l |
| 09:28.09 | canllaith | I can't in KDE, bitstream vera and luxi are like the only ones I can use :( |
| 09:28.19 | canllaith | lauri: they are in my x config as fontpaths |
| 09:28.19 | lippel | MEMEyou: yeah, that's what i meant. i don't like them as GUI fonts. |
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| 09:28.41 | lauri | check your fonts.conf (and the system one) and make sure they are included there (unlike font paths, it recurses directories9 |
| 09:28.45 | ciga | hello |
| 09:28.46 | canllaith | ok then |
| 09:29.07 | lauri | also check there aren't any substitutions (bitstream vera, will by default usurp helvetica, on a lot of distributions) |
| 09:29.16 | canllaith | Yes, it is on mine |
| 09:29.40 | lauri | so if the only helvetica you have is a bitmap one, you can't get it no matter how hard you try, and even if you pick it, you'll see vera |
| 09:29.41 | lippel | MEMEyou: the only problem with my sans serif fonts here is to distinguish l and I |
| 09:29.50 | lauri | (that bugs me, if I want helvetica, give me helvetica damnit) |
| 09:30.04 | ciga | the first make in quanta stops with errors: undefined reference to `xmlCharStrndup'. I have sarge and quanta from head. why it stops? I have libxml2 2.6.16-2. |
| 09:30.35 | lauri | canllaith: run fc-cache -fv as root, in a console, see if it whines about anything being unreadable |
| 09:30.41 | canllaith | ok |
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| 09:31.22 | lauri | then you can play with fc-list <string>, or fc-list | grep <string> make sure it really does see your helvetica and lucida etc |
| 09:31.24 | MEMEyou | 1l !lll |
| 09:32.03 | lauri | then see if you can run xfontsel from that console |
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| 09:32.21 | canllaith | aha |
| 09:32.23 | canllaith | no, it doesn't |
| 09:32.35 | canllaith | it only has the small handful I see in kde apps |
| 09:32.51 | lippel | ciga: that looks like a packaging problem. quanta is built against another libxml version than you use or something. |
| 09:32.55 | CrashBoxLNX | can ne1 tell me how to add support for c++ programming to kdevelop, i keep getting an error msg saying it cant find the plugins |
| 09:33.06 | lauri | ok, so, how to fix that heh |
| 09:33.41 | lauri | canllaith: they shouldn't actually need old style aliases and things, but I don't know the result of having them but they're not correct |
| 09:33.43 | lippel | CrashBoxLNX: that's unusual, actually there is no need to add something extra for C++ |
| 09:33.47 | lauri | so check that (the whole mkfontdir stuff) |
| 09:34.13 | lauri | which i've completely forgotten how to do anymore sorry :) |
| 09:34.17 | lippel | CrashBoxLNX: maybe an installation problem? did you compile from source or use binary packages? |
| 09:34.19 | CrashBoxLNX | that what i had though...... |
| 09:34.28 | CrashBoxLNX | using gentoo build |
| 09:34.41 | lauri | but if you can see them in some applications (the ones that don't as X for their fonts, and go get them directly, evidently) I would think they're fine |
| 09:34.51 | canllaith | yup |
| 09:35.12 | lauri | what else.. perms? on the font dirs? add them explicitly in fonts.conf (it won't hurt, it will give you one non-fatal warning when you start X if there is a dupe) |
| 09:35.15 | canllaith | neep |
| 09:35.29 | lauri | yeah, neep is my absolutely favourite terminal font |
| 09:35.40 | canllaith | can I use the kde font installer to install it? :) |
| 09:35.44 | lauri | yup :) |
| 09:35.56 | lauri | ohh, the kde font installer might give a hint what's up with the system fonts too |
| 09:35.57 | canllaith | yay! |
| 09:36.08 | canllaith | fonts under linux are black magic to me |
| 09:36.14 | lauri | you should be able to go to fonts:/System/ and look around in there |
| 09:36.18 | canllaith | slackware 9.1, which is still on andrews machine has the most beautiful fonts I have ever seen |
| 09:36.26 | canllaith | I recompiled freetype especially for him |
| 09:36.37 | canllaith | then slack 10 came out and I happily did exactly the same thing as I did on 9.1 |
| 09:36.40 | canllaith | and they were HORRIBLE |
| 09:36.50 | canllaith | I don't know what they changed, but I'm too scared to touch my fonts now |
| 09:36.51 | lauri | heh, I think that's the hinting bytecode thingy |
| 09:37.02 | canllaith | yeah, I rebuilt freetype for it explicitly |
| 09:37.03 | lauri | some people are patent scared |
| 09:37.08 | canllaith | which works fine on 9.1 and not fine on 10 |
| 09:37.12 | lauri | oh, I gotcha |
| 09:37.20 | canllaith | which makes no sense to me, how someone could have changed something so much between versions :\ |
| 09:38.26 | lauri | oh well, let's get yours sorted first (I've noticed, the defaults are actually not awful usually, if I let X set up it's own fonts all over again, rather than try to keep configs through an upgrade) |
| 09:38.52 | lauri | so i've been known to rip out /usr/X11R6/fonts/* before I upgrade X and let it set itself up |
| 09:39.03 | lauri | that's a bit of a sledgehammer to kill an ant solution though |
| 09:39.18 | canllaith | I find at least the KDE font installer doesn't break things :) |
| 09:39.23 | lauri | and it's really fontconfig, but that comes along with upgrades together |
| 09:39.31 | lauri | canllaith: ok, can you *see* the missing fonts in thre? |
| 09:39.44 | canllaith | Not yet, as I'm waiting for my clunky pc to finish loading things. |
| 09:40.03 | canllaith | It's doing something, I can feel the cpu warming up :P |
| 09:40.05 | lauri | heh |
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| 09:41.46 | canllaith | ok I have added a few more paths so I"ll restart X and see :) |
| 09:41.51 | sredna | Hi carles |
| 09:41.57 | sredna | Ba |
| 09:41.58 | aseigo_home | damn cats |
| 09:41.58 | sredna | Sorry |
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| 09:44.55 | ciga | lippel: yes, I seems to me. But I compile quanta from source. So I just don't understand... I can only think that my libxml2 version is not good, I used to compile quante before and I have a running version. |
| 09:45.16 | oficinzilla | aseigo: did you disconnect? |
| 09:45.23 | aseigo | my cat did |
| 09:45.37 | aseigo | he sat on the cable 'modem' and turned it off |
| 09:45.43 | oficinzilla | aseigo: did you get my DCMI link? |
| 09:45.47 | aseigo | no |
| 09:45.50 | aseigo | resend |
| 09:45.58 | lippel | ciga: maybe your libxml2 and libxml2-dev don't match for some reason? |
| 09:46.13 | PaT- | Is it a known bug that the print:/ io slave does not load? wait im chekin on bko |
| 09:46.23 | oficinzilla | aseigo: as I said, you're probably already aware of this http://dublincore.org/ |
| 09:46.25 | lippel | ciga: or multiple libxml2 installations? |
| 09:46.27 | ciga | lippel: no. they matches. |
| 09:46.39 | ciga | lippel: no, I have only one. |
| 09:46.51 | oficinzilla | aseigo: if you don't already know this model by hear. heck maybe even helped write it. http://dublincore.org/documents/abstract-model/ |
| 09:46.57 | aseigo | ah. dublincore.. =) |
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| 09:47.06 | canllaith | oh excellent, I now seem to have STACKS of fonts |
| 09:47.15 | aseigo | STAX! |
| 09:47.19 | canllaith | although a fair few seem to be aliased to bitstream vera, but I can see lots that are definitely unique |
| 09:47.29 | canllaith | and, interestingly enough KDE is performing super snappy |
| 09:47.36 | canllaith | I wonder if my font cache was in some way not at peak performance? |
| 09:47.52 | PaT- | damn... no... aseigo: i bet its the visibility stuff again? |
| 09:47.56 | oficinzilla | aseigo: I see you definitely know a lot of this stuff already. Perhaps I've been barking up the wrong trees? Maybe there's a club I didn't know about I should affiliate? |
| 09:47.57 | aseigo | i'm now exactly one bottle of wine and 02:46 into the day. yep. i'm good =P |
| 09:48.01 | canllaith | all I did was add the directories containg my tex fonts |
| 09:48.05 | canllaith | aseigo: w00t! |
| 09:48.52 | aseigo | PaT-: hrm. dunno... print:/ or print://? |
| 09:48.59 | ciga | lippel: to tell you the truth configure does not find my libxml2, I had to add it manually to Makefile. Maybe I forgot to add the libs. could this be? |
| 09:49.03 | canllaith | lauri: thanks :) I did a slocate on lucida, discovered it -wasn't- in one of the fontpaths explicitly set and fixed it :) |
| 09:49.39 | PaT- | An error occurred while loading print:/: Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_print'. |
| 09:49.50 | aseigo | oficinzilla: no. we've been "innovating"[1] a lot of this stuff |
| 09:50.06 | aseigo | [1] innovation is the combined act of taking inventions AND bringing them to the public |
| 09:50.19 | lippel | ciga: don't know, but there is high potential in breaking things when modifying makefiles manually ;-) |
| 09:50.41 | lippel | ciga: why is your libxml version not found? unusual paths? old version? |
| 09:50.44 | ciga | lippel: the problem with this I dunno where to add. for the include there was DEFAULT_INCLUDES, |
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| 09:50.52 | ciga | ii libxml2 2.6.16-2 GNOME XML library |
| 09:51.01 | ciga | lippel: do you think it is old? |
| 09:51.07 | ciga | lippel: I dunno the reason. |
| 09:51.28 | canllaith | oh gosh and modd is gorgeous... still waiting on neep to finish installing |
| 09:52.30 | lippel | ciga: seems to be uptodate. you need to add -lxml2 somewhere i think. |
| 09:52.52 | lippel | otherwise, quanta is not linked against libxml2. |
| 09:52.57 | ciga | lippel: yes, that's what I think.. the question is to where? :) |
| 09:53.01 | aseigo | PaT-: hrm.. yes, that works here, but i don't have visibility enabled |
| 09:53.49 | lippel | ciga: don't know, search for other -lsomething flags and add it there :) maybe LDFLAGS or something. |
| 09:53.50 | lauri | canllaith: modd is really funky, neep is a bit more conservative, but still very nice and readable |
| 09:53.56 | PaT- | aeigo: there is no configure switch anymore to disable visibilty? am i right? |
| 09:54.09 | aseigo | yes there is |
| 09:54.53 | canllaith | bbs :) |
| 09:55.23 | PaT- | hmm... --disable-new-ldflags? |
| 09:56.09 | aseigo | yerp |
| 09:56.39 | PaT- | it should be --disable-that-thing-that-breaks-other-things |
| 09:57.13 | PaT- | ok... gone testin, brb |
| 09:57.14 | aseigo | ahaha |
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| 09:57.54 | ciga | finally. |
| 09:58.06 | ciga | I had to put -lxml2 and -lxslt |
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| 09:58.10 | ciga | interesting. |
| 09:58.20 | canllaith | :D |
| 09:58.20 | oficinzilla | canllaith: helloouuhhhh!!!! |
| 09:58.30 | lauri | heh |
| 09:58.31 | canllaith | well for monospaced anyway |
| 09:58.45 | canllaith | it's sooo readable and compact, I'm in love |
| 09:58.45 | aseigo | who you callin' monospaced? |
| 09:59.10 | canllaith | ahhh and you can -really- tell the difference between ` and ' |
| 09:59.29 | canllaith | :):):) |
| 09:59.30 | oficinzilla | aseigo: canllaith: amarok lately is indeed very neat |
| 09:59.32 | lauri | canllaith: I use it for everything monospaced too, and pimp it to everyone who asks, it's such a nice font heh |
| 09:59.39 | canllaith | and, I can ls -l /usr/bin |
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| 09:59.46 | canllaith | and my terminal doesn' t shudder and jerk |
| 09:59.55 | canllaith | cause it's not heavy AA like bloody bitstream vera has to be to be readable |
| 10:00.20 | _joey | I am curious if you can install true type fonts in konsole |
| 10:00.29 | canllaith | Yup. |
| 10:00.30 | oficinzilla | *** |
| 10:00.31 | lauri | nah, bitmap fonts get a bad rap (mostly because of historical X reasons, and people trying to scale them) |
| 10:00.46 | lauri | _joey: you can, but a good bitmap font at the right size is *much* nicer to use |
| 10:00.54 | _joey | I don't rate them |
| 10:01.00 | _joey | I just install the on3es I like |
| 10:01.47 | canllaith | Although I have to admit, I do really like bitstream vera sans mono. |
| 10:01.49 | _joey | canllaith how do you install true type fonts? |
| 10:01.53 | canllaith | It is really gorgeous with exactly the right hinting |
| 10:02.01 | ciga | lippel: thanks |
| 10:02.02 | canllaith | _joey: Through the KDE font installer :) |
| 10:02.12 | canllaith | in Kcontrol -> System Administration -> Fonts |
| 10:02.15 | _joey | what is it called?:) |
| 10:02.20 | sredna | Hi canllaith |
| 10:02.21 | canllaith | it will install just about every font you can think of. |
| 10:02.21 | _joey | oki |
| 10:02.24 | canllaith | Heya sredna |
| 10:02.29 | sredna | What is neep? |
| 10:02.34 | aseigo | there's also fonts:/ in konqi ... |
| 10:02.36 | canllaith | I'll screenshot in a moment |
| 10:02.40 | aseigo | which is rather cool |
| 10:02.40 | oficinzilla | aseigo: considering my obsession. You think it'd be wise if I try to sort out my docms issues? ( :-) ) |
| 10:02.43 | lauri | sredna: http://www.jmknoble.net/fonts/ |
| 10:02.50 | sredna | Thanks, lauri |
| 10:02.53 | lauri | a very nice monospaced bitmap font face |
| 10:02.55 | aseigo | the control centre panel is a front end to that |
| 10:03.01 | lauri | (I use it in kate too :) |
| 10:03.04 | aseigo | oficinzilla: lol ... |
| 10:03.15 | oficinzilla | i'm serious :( |
| 10:03.32 | sredna | It it works with curses dialogs, I'll change konsole immediately |
| 10:03.39 | aseigo | oficinzilla: yeah, i just liked how you put it... and yes... the more exploration people do, the better |
| 10:03.47 | lauri | it does, I've used nothing but for years |
| 10:03.58 | lauri | rikkus actually used to be the neep pimp, the duty seems to have fallen to me :) |
| 10:04.33 | lauri | aseigo: well, ok, so long as I get my cut |
| 10:04.45 | oficinzilla | aseigo: I would like to believe that my problem is not so serious, given that the splash screen and sound and cursor show up. But perhaps I need professional assessment of the situation... |
| 10:04.55 | aseigo | lauri: fair 'nuff |
| 10:05.00 | lauri | I'll be sure to leave you enough to keep up your supply of platinum blonde wigs and thigh high snakeskin boots though |
| 10:05.21 | aseigo | how about nylons. those get runs so easily |
| 10:05.39 | oficinzilla | aseigo: if you point me one way or another (fix or reinstall), I'll try to dig up the details myself. I just want the assessment |
| 10:05.57 | sredna | Gtg |
| 10:06.24 | aseigo | _joey: thx |
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| 10:06.31 | _joey | any time |
| 10:06.47 | aseigo | oficinzilla: i'm officially too gone to do tech support now =O |
| 10:07.16 | oficinzilla | ok. next in turn then. canllaithhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 10:07.23 | oficinzilla | canllaith: yooohooo |
| 10:07.31 | canllaith | yup? |
| 10:07.36 | oficinzilla | canllaith: hello young fella |
| 10:07.46 | oficinzilla | canllaith: much much younger than 23 fella |
| 10:07.46 | canllaith | Young lass, actually |
| 10:07.53 | oficinzilla | dikes |
| 10:07.57 | canllaith | erm? |
| 10:08.08 | oficinzilla | yeah I meant lass |
| 10:08.11 | oficinzilla | :p |
| 10:08.23 | oficinzilla | remember me? from a few days ago? |
| 10:08.30 | canllaith | Aye, I remember |
| 10:08.38 | oficinzilla | :-D |
| 10:08.39 | oficinzilla | hello |
| 10:08.51 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/neep.png |
| 10:09.11 | canllaith | yes actually I should see what it does to curses dialogs... |
| 10:09.31 | canllaith | hahaha oh I didn't even notice that - check dir listing in konsole lauri :P |
| 10:10.13 | aseigo | canllaith: that screenshot is proof your involvement with kicker dev! aha! |
| 10:10.25 | oficinzilla | canllaith: ok, since I'd really like you to have you in a good mood, I'm just gonna lurk around here till you're not busy, and well, nice. :-D |
| 10:10.30 | canllaith | aseigo: another sign of my sordid affair |
| 10:10.54 | canllaith | aseigo: I went in file -> recently opened to open something for the screenie and that was the top heh |
| 10:12.06 | oficinzilla | aseigo: from canllaith's screenshot. I didn't know KDE app settings were stored in XML |
| 10:12.27 | aseigo | kconfigxt =) |
| 10:12.32 | canllaith | :) |
| 10:12.40 | canllaith | All very new and interesting and exciting |
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| 10:14.16 | lauri | heh |
| 10:14.40 | lauri | and wants to know what "yet-again-smaller.png" is |
| 10:15.11 | canllaith | it's online actually |
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| 10:18.58 | oficinzilla | ok. seems quiet now |
| 10:19.34 | oficinzilla | ok, multitasking canllaith: remember my whole oddyssey? I managed to defeat all my dependency monsters. And I did make (as user). and make install (as root) |
| 10:19.40 | canllaith | yay! |
| 10:19.50 | oficinzilla | now, here's the clinger |
| 10:20.34 | PaT- | well... thats what i thought... visibility again, recompiled without it and print:/ works... reporting a bug now.... (aseigo: btw, i dont what --disable-new-ldflags does but it doesnt disable --fvisibility... etc.) |
| 10:22.44 | oficinzilla | I log out of X. Now, better I preferred to reboot. And Linux starts booting. everything fine. partitions, runlevels, etc, fine. Then KDM comes up! and it's ok. Then KDE splash dialog! wee! "Initializing peripherals". "Initializing devices" "Initializing desktop". all fine. even the startup sound. then the splash thingie goes away, it finished. But, whoa! no icons appear! no wallpaper, no... |
| 10:22.45 | oficinzilla | ...panel! just the mouse cursor on the default blue background. I can move the mouse and all, but no clicking. no no. |
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| 10:24.32 | canllaith | yeah |
| 10:24.57 | canllaith | i thought there was a reasonable chance you would bork your KDE using such an old patch. |
| 10:25.02 | canllaith | iirc, I mentioned that at the time |
| 10:25.10 | PaT- | format, reinstall, upda... oops not windows... |
| 10:25.13 | canllaith | one thing you can try is a: creating an entirely new user and attempting to log in as that |
| 10:25.18 | oficinzilla | canllaith: so, in summary, I bring it down to this. Now that I have gone through *all* this trouble, I am in front of this new problem. Now here's my dilemma: what's the prognosis? Will this new problem be real hard to fix? Or is it just a matter of tinkering with some heretheres? In other words: how bad is this that is happening? Bad enough that I should try reinstalling, (this time with... |
| 10:25.20 | oficinzilla | ...the *whole* enchilada), and then going through the odyssey again? Or, should I give it a shot fixing this? |
| 10:25.21 | canllaith | b: logging in using the failsafe Xterm session |
| 10:25.52 | canllaith | and trying to run like, 'kicker --nofork' by hand and seeing if it tells you anything meaningful |
| 10:25.53 | oficinzilla | canllaith: I think I'm looking for a professional assessment of how bad this is. |
| 10:26.05 | canllaith | try those things, and then I'll tell you. |
| 10:26.21 | oficinzilla | asiego had started pointing me towards a ldd something command to check a log with registers, but we got interrupted |
| 10:26.44 | oficinzilla | canllaith: ok. let me write that down. |
| 10:26.48 | canllaith | Try those things, and then we'll look at ldd :) |
| 10:26.58 | oficinzilla | brb |
| 10:28.49 | oficinzilla | canllaith: I guess I will have to restart right? I can't just log out of x |
| 10:28.57 | canllaith | why do you have to restart? |
| 10:30.00 | oficinzilla | failsafe as in failsafe linux restart. |
| 10:30.15 | canllaith | um no |
| 10:30.22 | canllaith | just log out of X, and then you're back at kdm or gdm |
| 10:30.29 | oficinzilla | ok, at least I have to close this chat session then :D |
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| 10:30.37 | canllaith | in the session list, pick something that looks vaguely like ' failsafe xterm' |
| 10:30.45 | oficinzilla | canllaith: you're right. I'm just nervous |
| 10:31.01 | oficinzilla | brb then |
| 10:31.13 | _joey | is konversation a nice client? |
| 10:31.22 | canllaith | Very nice |
| 10:31.24 | MrGrim | is there anyone here who uses an adaptec nic that uses the starfire driver? |
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| 10:31.28 | MrGrim | _joey: the best imho |
| 10:31.39 | MrGrim | especially cvs :D |
| 10:31.41 | _joey | irssi |
| 10:31.43 | _joey | is good too |
| 10:31.54 | _joey | does it come with many scripts ? |
| 10:32.06 | MrGrim | yup, when I'm in a console irssi is my client of choice as well |
| 10:32.36 | MrGrim | _joey: "scripting" is still very basic and consists of calling shell commands with a few command line args to make a dcop call |
| 10:32.43 | _joey | I always in console |
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| 10:38.43 | dolphin | hmm |
| 10:39.10 | dolphin | doesn't the new version of kde wallet support old files |
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| 10:39.43 | dolphin | because at here, I'm unable to make any program to use the old passwords |
| 10:40.14 | dolphin | kopete for example doesn't want to go online at all... (which is due missing wallet I guess) |
| 10:40.29 | _joey | MrGrim it is basic, it's good to have available scripts |
| 10:40.39 | canllaith | is this kde cvs head ? cause if so, kwallet is a bit broken |
| 10:41.07 | MrGrim | _joey: I'm not sure what you require... I just need enough functionality to connect, join channels, and piss ppl like canllaith off |
| 10:41.21 | _joey | :)) |
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| 10:41.23 | dolphin | "bit broken" sounds slight to me :P |
| 10:41.24 | MrGrim | preferably w/ a pretty interface |
| 10:41.28 | _joey | I did piss her off yesterday |
| 10:41.30 | MrGrim | which konvi gives :) |
| 10:41.35 | canllaith | dolphin: well, depends what version you're using :P |
| 10:41.46 | canllaith | and if you are using either a very old or a completely new wallet or something inbetween |
| 10:41.55 | dolphin | I can't even make a new wallet |
| 10:41.56 | _joey | MrGrim I dns and clones scripts |
| 10:42.05 | MrGrim | _joey: canllaith can be very helpful and is usually a nice girl, but she gets mad at me easy :/ |
| 10:42.07 | dolphin | all programs just refuse to use any passwords |
| 10:42.43 | _joey | MrGrim Yeah I know, there are days when they are real grumpy |
| 10:42.46 | _joey | :) |
| 10:43.01 | canllaith | nah, poke me when you're done so I can turn it back on |
| 10:43.06 | MrGrim | we're done :) |
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| 10:43.35 | canllaith | good lord, I almost disabled it permanantly until I discovered how to disable notifications for oleg.... :| |
| 10:43.39 | MrGrim | hmm I hope the kernel dev's actually use their bugzilla system |
| 10:43.44 | MrGrim | so my patch gets noticed and applied |
| 10:44.03 | _joey | I installed kde yesterday for the first time |
| 10:44.27 | _joey | and I like it |
| 10:44.31 | MrGrim | :) |
| 10:44.32 | _joey | It's slick:) |
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| 10:44.55 | _joey | Quite a difference after using ratpoison:) |
| 10:44.58 | oficina | hello |
| 10:45.26 | oficirssi | canllaith: hello. I'm currently in failsafe mode under irssi |
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| 10:46.15 | canllaith | so.. why are you in irssi rather than launching kicker and making note of what it says? :) |
| 10:46.40 | oficirssi | canllaith: Here is the output I got from your command "kicker:symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkonq.so.4:undefined symbol: _ZN9KIconView21contentsDragMoveEventEP14QDragMoveEvent |
| 10:46.53 | canllaith | heh |
| 10:47.01 | oficirssi | canllaith: you subestimate me |
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| 10:47.09 | PaT- | i see the light. |
| 10:47.33 | oficirssi | I meant "underestimate". dammit |
| 10:48.02 | canllaith | lol |
| 10:48.18 | canllaith | oficirssi: using a patch for the wrong version of kdelibs has probably broken things nastily. |
| 10:48.20 | oficirssi | canllaith: I tried googling for something useful for this on google thru links, but didn't get much useful |
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| 10:48.32 | canllaith | oficirssi: reinstall kdelibs package from your cd |
| 10:48.52 | PieD | KDE 3.4 beta2 with composite (on X.org) roxor :) |
| 10:49.01 | canllaith | PieD: so pretty :) |
| 10:49.26 | oficirssi | canllaith: I guess you mean I should get the source for kdelibs included in the mdk disc and do the same stuff I did before, right? |
| 10:49.35 | canllaith | No |
| 10:49.41 | PaT- | PieD : do you get screen corruption when u resize windows? |
| 10:50.23 | canllaith | I mean, that patching KDE 3.2.3 sources with 3.1 patches is not a good idea |
| 10:50.27 | canllaith | (which I told you at the time :) |
| 10:50.28 | oficirssi | canllaith: I don't think you'll suggest I can urpmi myself out of a problem I sourced myself into? |
| 10:50.35 | canllaith | Easily |
| 10:50.50 | canllaith | Grab your kdelibs-3.2.3 foo rpm and install right over the top. |
| 10:50.52 | oficirssi | canllaith: I know you told me. But I *needed* to test the software. |
| 10:51.00 | canllaith | heh that's cool |
| 10:51.06 | canllaith | you can test it for yourself if you want :P |
| 10:51.07 | PieD | PaT-: yes |
| 10:51.13 | oficirssi | canllaith: MDK installation could be damned. well, apparently it has |
| 10:51.17 | PieD | It's surprising |
| 10:51.31 | PieD | Resizing windows create a lot of corruptions |
| 10:51.35 | PaT- | PieD: do u have an nvidia card with nvidia drivers? |
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| 10:51.41 | PieD | it is like the first release of Looking Glass |
| 10:51.42 | oficirssi | canllaith: are you getting poignant on me? |
| 10:51.51 | canllaith | oficirssi: just look on your mandrake cd (cd 3 iirc) and find kdelibs |
| 10:51.53 | MrGrim | I think it is quite possible I am one of 3 people on earth who use adaptec nic's |
| 10:51.58 | oficirssi | canllaith: where's the sweet smilies everywhere canllaith I knew? |
| 10:51.59 | PieD | but yet on Looking glass resizing a window doesn't corrupt anything ! |
| 10:52.19 | canllaith | PieD: kompmgr is unstable software, you cannot expect everything and a bag of chips too from a beta ;) |
| 10:52.44 | PieD | canllaith: I know that :) |
| 10:52.44 | MrGrim | unstable indeed |
| 10:52.58 | MrGrim | kompmgr really doesn't like it when other apps use argb visuals |
| 10:53.13 | MrGrim | it gets testy |
| 10:53.47 | PieD | going to try a video (using X11 driver for xine, off course) |
| 10:54.11 | oficirssi | canllaith: seriously now. Please don't patronise me ("I told you" thing). I understand that this could be risky. I'm not crying or in panic. Worse case scenario I know I can just reinstall |
| 10:54.13 | PaT- | pied: it has no probs with xvideo |
| 10:54.19 | PieD | shit, xine doesn't support it |
| 10:54.22 | PieD | PaT-: really ? |
| 10:54.39 | canllaith | oficirssi: I'm not patronising you I'm telling you what to do !:p |
| 10:54.47 | PieD | it has problems ! |
| 10:54.49 | PaT- | well... with kmplayer anyway (but since it uses xine...) |
| 10:54.51 | oficirssi | canllaith: ok I got the CD. |
| 10:55.06 | PieD | it didn't like when I moved the window ;) |
| 10:55.12 | canllaith | just mount your cdrom, `find /mnt/cdrom | grep kdelibs` |
| 10:55.19 | canllaith | and try again with other cds until you find it |
| 10:55.48 | PaT- | hrm... kompmgr works perfectly here... except for two things (no im not complaining, im trying to be informational) : resizing windows, and maximizing/resotring windows... if it was not of those two things, it would be rock solid |
| 10:55.51 | oficirssi | canllaith: what next? |
| 10:56.20 | canllaith | once you've found it, as root `rpm -ivh /path/to/kdelibs-foo.rpm` |
| 10:56.27 | canllaith | type 'ldconfig' as root into a terminal |
| 10:56.32 | canllaith | and then hope and pray. |
| 10:56.42 | oficirssi | canllaith: btw, how do I do that straight bar? My kb doesn't have it. Maybe I should log back into X for the rest? what do you say? |
| 10:56.57 | canllaith | the pipe? |
| 10:57.06 | canllaith | on your keyboard it will probably not look like that |
| 10:57.12 | canllaith | but generally it is the key \ is on |
| 10:57.19 | canllaith | and shift + \ to get the | |
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| 10:58.15 | oficirssi | canllaith: no my keyboard doesn't have it. Is there a code, like in windows, where you could go alt+xxx combination of numbers? |
| 10:58.38 | oficirssi | canllaith: I guess I can manage to get the pipe from back in x. |
| 10:58.50 | oficirssi | canllaith: can I do this procedure while back in x? |
| 10:58.52 | canllaith | are you positive your keyboard doesn't have it? |
| 10:58.56 | oficirssi | positive |
| 10:59.00 | canllaith | I mean, it's on every keyboard I have ever seen |
| 10:59.04 | _joey | konversation --rules |
| 10:59.13 | oficirssi | canllaith: this is an internation keyboard |
| 10:59.19 | oficirssi | canllaith: latin american |
| 10:59.31 | canllaith | well I'll take your word for it, it's on german and korean keyboards though |
| 10:59.53 | oficirssi | canllaith: unless you know some cool command to make it like US keyboard (however even then I haven't found the pipe, back in windows) |
| 11:00.04 | canllaith | heh ok then |
| 11:00.13 | oficirssi | canllaith: my poor man's solution for pipes is copy paste character symbols |
| 11:00.30 | canllaith | well that works although you'll have to log into gnome or something since your kde is broke |
| 11:00.32 | canllaith | twm? |
| 11:00.35 | PaT- | PieD: but i dont dare report bugs about it... seems like composite is a taboo |
| 11:00.45 | oficirssi | canllaith: I will logout then. see ya. again thanks so far |
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| 11:00.47 | oficirssi | bye |
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| 11:01.15 | _joey | canllaith how do I configure xscreensaver ?:) |
| 11:01.30 | canllaith | xscreensaver -demo or use the kde tool |
| 11:02.43 | _joey | i want to use kde tool |
| 11:02.45 | canllaith | um you can get to it from Kcontrol -> Appearance & Themes -> Screensavers |
| 11:02.50 | _joey | is it from the menu? |
| 11:03.16 | _joey | oki doki |
| 11:03.35 | _joey | In the lat couple of days I have been looking for various new gui programs |
| 11:03.41 | _joey | I found an interest rss reader |
| 11:03.50 | _joey | called rssowl, if anyone is interested |
| 11:04.09 | PaT- | joey: did you try akregator? |
| 11:04.17 | _joey | I did |
| 11:04.24 | _joey | I thin rssowl is far better client |
| 11:04.32 | PaT- | why? |
| 11:04.36 | _joey | It's been voited the project of the month on sourceforge:) |
| 11:04.46 | _joey | It offers you more features |
| 11:04.51 | PaT- | ok... |
| 11:04.58 | PaT- | ill take a look... |
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| 11:07.05 | _joey | akregator is interesting too |
| 11:07.34 | PaT- | its in java... does it integrate (look) with gtk or kde? |
| 11:07.44 | frerich | hi all |
| 11:09.36 | PieD | I've got a translucent video playing ! :) |
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| 11:09.56 | canllaith | heh yeah I thought that was the coolest when I first tried it |
| 11:10.03 | canllaith | and noatun, with the open gl visualisation plugin |
| 11:10.10 | canllaith | true transparency on it? that was very cool |
| 11:10.19 | canllaith | I had pulsating cool pink things all over my document |
| 11:10.30 | PieD | glxgears works too |
| 11:10.54 | PaT- | canllaith: you can run glx AND composite at the same time?? |
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| 11:11.05 | Niaihahaha | http://www.cotedeporc.org/team_concept/ |
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| 11:11.24 | PieD | PaT-: yes it works ! |
| 11:11.31 | oficirrsi | canllaith: hey back. *embarrasment* I found the darn pipe hidden in the 104th key. :p I'm doing everything from console, I feel cool. UPDATE: I have a chicken and egg problem. I found the kdelib, but they depend on libkdecore...rpm, and libkdecore..rpm requires kdelibs to install |
| 11:11.31 | PieD | you can run GLX and composite |
| 11:11.56 | canllaith | oficirrsi: ok what you do is resolve these circular dependancies by specifying -both- rpms at once |
| 11:12.02 | oficirrsi | how? |
| 11:12.06 | PaT- | with an nvidia card? |
| 11:12.09 | canllaith | so, rpm -ivh kdelibs-foo.rpm libkdecorefoo.rpm |
| 11:12.12 | canllaith | like that, both at once :) |
| 11:12.15 | oficirrsi | ok. |
| 11:12.19 | oficirrsi | cool |
| 11:12.21 | oficirrsi | cya |
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| 11:12.36 | PieD | yes, nvidia card |
| 11:12.41 | PaT- | i mean, i know about Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" |
| 11:12.43 | PieD | there is an option |
| 11:12.48 | PieD | yes it is that |
| 11:12.51 | PieD | and it works :) |
| 11:12.51 | PaT- | but i never dared try it... |
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| 11:16.45 | PaT- | ok... i want translucent 3D! :) ill be back... restarting X... |
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| 11:20.09 | oficirrsi | canllaith: hey again. It seems some other dependency problems crop up while installing these two, also. Well, fortunately, I feel more comfortable now dealing around with those issues {thanks in great part to you}. It is almost 5am here, so this will be my checkout goodbye for today. Just one last thing, in case, in worst-case scenario, where I just weren't able to get things back tonormal, and I'd have to reinstall. I know that I should install *all* this ti |
| 11:20.21 | canllaith | lol |
| 11:20.25 | canllaith | I'd be inclined to --nodeps |
| 11:20.30 | canllaith | since you KNOW your kde is already installed. |
| 11:20.55 | oficirrsi | ok i didn't know that |
| 11:20.58 | oficirrsi | damn. |
| 11:21.20 | oficirrsi | ok i'll try that. but before I leave, could you just answer the "worst case scenario" question? please? |
| 11:22.02 | canllaith | ok reinstalling is very unlikely to be necessary :) |
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| 11:22.18 | canllaith | we are -very- close to fixing it. |
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| 11:22.53 | oficirrsi | canllaith: ok. i assume that too, and think it's very likely. i'll do it right now. i was just thinking in my beloved software obsession. |
| 11:23.12 | oficirrsi | canllaith: because I will find a way to try again. buahaha |
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| 11:23.19 | canllaith | :) |
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| 11:30.00 | ArtyObs | why won't kmail allow me to select my gpg key for encryption? the key appears in options, but there is a red cross on it, and i can't select it |
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| 11:34.23 | MrGrim | ArtyObs: kmail can be a bit tricky to get working with gpg... try this page: http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html |
| 11:34.58 | _joey | PaT- in akregator, there's built-in web browser |
| 11:35.08 | _joey | do you know how to configure it? |
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| 11:36.36 | oficirrsi | canllaith: *sigh* I think I spoke too soon about my abilities :( http://saks.port5.com/nicecallainth/nowwhat.txt |
| 11:37.11 | canllaith | Given that you're borked already |
| 11:37.14 | canllaith | --force --nodeps |
| 11:38.55 | PaT- | hmm.. i dont have it installed right now... but as far as i remember, its in the settings... |
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| 11:44.06 | oficinaGRATEFUL | canllaith: WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:44.14 | oficinaGRATEFUL | canllaith: YYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 11:44.26 | oficinaGRATEFUL | canllaith: if you were a girl I'd kiss you! |
| 11:44.32 | canllaith | I am a girl |
| 11:44.41 | oficinaGRATEFUL | damn you're right! |
| 11:44.47 | canllaith | :) |
| 11:44.47 | oficinaGRATEFUL | SMUAAAAAAAACK |
| 11:44.51 | canllaith | :o |
| 11:44.52 | oficinaGRATEFUL | smooooooooch |
| 11:45.06 | oficinaGRATEFUL | no wonder people stalk you. men and women i bet |
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| 11:45.40 | oficinaGRATEFUL | the cool thing is i was able to do all this deal without rebooting, and with the added challenge of doing it from console only failsafe! |
| 11:45.53 | canllaith | :) |
| 11:46.10 | oficinaGRATEFUL | canllaith: If you ever come by my country, you already have a tour, a diner and a shelter ready for you |
| 11:46.22 | canllaith | aw :) cool |
| 11:46.34 | oficinaGRATEFUL | this feels so great |
| 11:46.38 | oficinaGRATEFUL | thank you |
| 11:47.05 | oficinaGRATEFUL | yikes it's 6am here already. |
| 11:47.09 | oficinaGRATEFUL | I think I better leave |
| 11:47.11 | canllaith | sleep! |
| 11:47.13 | oficinaGRATEFUL | canllaith: you rule |
| 11:47.20 | oficinaGRATEFUL | greetings to all |
| 11:47.31 | oficinaGRATEFUL | bye |
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| 11:51.53 | lippel | _joey: which akregator version do you use? |
| 11:56.37 | _joey | 1.0 |
| 11:56.46 | PieD | re |
| 11:56.51 | _joey | beta8 |
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| 12:09.59 | lippel | _joey: what do you want to configure? fonts? wait an hour or so and install beta9 :) |
| 12:10.04 | lippel | beta10 even |
| 12:10.27 | dolphin | hmm |
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| 12:13.36 | mikkel | is it possible to change the order the groups in kopete? |
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| 12:15.53 | MaSterNet | Hello, I'm on debian sarge... I don't find kdb2html, needed to compile an application, ... what's the package of this util ? |
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| 12:17.14 | koomi | MaSterNet: packages.debian.org ? |
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| 12:22.23 | PieD | does somebody know what is currently planned for KDE 4 with the composite extension ? |
| 12:22.59 | MaSterNet | kdelibs-dev provides this util... but kdelibs4-dev (actually the one that works on testing) doesn't provide it |
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| 12:27.23 | ArtyObs | MrGrim: thanks |
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| 12:47.19 | ArtyObs | MrGrim: i can't find env in .kde ..? |
| 12:49.12 | sredna | ArtyObs: If you want it, create it |
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| 12:53.10 | _joey | which program do I need to take screenshot of my desktop? |
| 12:54.22 | ArtyObs | _joey: use ksnapshot |
| 12:55.41 | PieD | kompmgr is great ! :) |
| 12:57.38 | ArtyObs | MrGrim: in .kde/env/gpgagent.sh i put 'gpg-agent' or "eval '$(gpg-agent --daemon)"' ?? |
| 12:57.51 | sredna | _joey: Or simply press CTRL + PrintScreen and paste in a folder or kde app that can paste a image, for example kolourpaint |
| 12:58.21 | _joey | kate? |
| 12:58.31 | ArtyObs | does anyone know how to take a screenshot from ogle frozen display without the screenshot being blue? |
| 12:59.20 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.21 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.21 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.21 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.31 | sredna | ArtyObs: That is my version of that |
| 12:59.46 | _joey | which package do I need for ksnapshot and kolourpaint? |
| 12:59.55 | sredna | _joey: Kdegraphics |
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| 13:05.52 | canllaith | hmmm no wonder I thought the channel was quiet since konversation didn't scroll |
| 13:05.54 | canllaith | :P |
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| 13:09.09 | infodroid | apt: what's that supposed to mean? |
| 13:10.02 | sredna | canllaith: Maybe konvi didn't scroll because the channel is quite.. :P |
| 13:10.28 | infodroid | canllaith: i think you need to keep your scrollbar at the bottom |
| 13:11.02 | sredna | infodroid: Apt yells when someone with the username 'root' arrives, because irc'ing as root is silly, dangerous and discouraged by all sane people |
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| 13:11.32 | infodroid | sredna: thats a nice bot =) |
| 13:11.54 | sredna | Yeps |
| 13:12.18 | canllaith | and apt likes any excuse to yell |
| 13:12.45 | infodroid | sredna: also alerts the l33t h7x0rs |
| 13:13.35 | sredna | The what? |
| 13:13.52 | infodroid | sredna: thats the kids that spend their time hacking people's boxes |
| 13:14.02 | frerich | Well |
| 13:14.17 | frerich | sunguy: You look like somebody who would want to try my new '.hosts' file? |
| 13:16.14 | canllaith | lol frerich |
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| 13:17.00 | sredna | He |
| 13:17.05 | sredna | Too bad he left... |
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| 13:39.59 | _joey | is there chm viewing program for kde? |
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| 13:40.10 | Akbar | is it possible to turn off kopete's "person has left chat" messages? |
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| 13:47.30 | StarScream | trying to script a mute with DCop but it wants a deviceid for the mute() call...how can i get this? |
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| 13:47.47 | markey | yay annma |
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| 13:48.10 | annma | hi! |
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| 13:53.03 | infodroid | Akbar: in conversation you can "hide" join/part messages so they don't fill up your screen |
| 13:53.14 | infodroid | Akbar: conversation = konversation |
| 13:56.12 | Akbar | oh I was talking about kopete, and instant messaging |
| 13:57.02 | Akbar | the ones in the chatwindow |
| 13:57.28 | infodroid | Akbar: is this kopete IRC or just kopete anything |
| 13:57.38 | Akbar | kopete anything |
| 13:57.53 | Akbar | I'm using konversation for irc |
| 13:58.21 | Akbar | but kopete shows when a person is closing it's window |
| 13:58.46 | infodroid | Akbar: i think those are just kopete "system" messages, dunno if you can disable those. you mean like when it say "person x is offline"? |
| 13:59.26 | Akbar | yeah and when a person is closing the window it says, blahblah has left the chat |
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| 14:00.36 | infodroid | Akbar: i never tried, i mean. i only get such messages if the other person leaves a chat before i do. otherwise i don't get any messages. |
| 14:00.42 | Moid_ | i was born here, but never went to school here. |
| 14:01.19 | Akbar | but if you like.. chatting with a person and that person is closing the window about 50 times |
| 14:02.03 | Akbar | it's not that important but was just wondering if I could turn that off |
| 14:02.27 | infodroid | why don't you close the window if that person has quit the chat? |
| 14:03.00 | Akbar | no not only that.. but a person "leaves chat" on msn when closing the window :) |
| 14:03.12 | Akbar | so if you're talking to someone |
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| 14:04.03 | Akbar | that person closes the window |
| 14:04.03 | Akbar | you can see that.. |
| 14:04.06 | Moid_ | ugh i fucking hate it when shit opens in an existing window |
| 14:04.10 | Moid_ | speaking of armies...there was that guy in ninja scroll who said he was gonna use funds to make a ninja army. why the hell would you want a ninja army? doesnt that defeat the purpose of a ninja? :) |
| 14:04.24 | Akbar | lol |
| 14:04.26 | Moid_ | lol |
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| 14:04.38 | infodroid | Akbar: i think i am beginning to understand what you are trying to say |
| 14:04.47 | infodroid | Akbar: you want a way to not let the other person know that you have closed the chat window? |
| 14:04.50 | Moid_ | 21 ? nope closed |
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| 14:05.24 | Akbar | I don't want to see when someone else has closed the chat window :) |
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| 14:06.06 | Akbar | but yeah that would be cool too :p |
| 14:06.22 | infodroid | Akbar: disable "show events" in chat window? |
| 14:06.47 | infodroid | Akbar: its actually in behaviour > chat > "show events in chat window"? |
| 14:06.54 | yo2lux | Pentium III 529MHz, 384MB RAM, 30GB HDD enough for KDE ? |
| 14:07.14 | Akbar | I've already turned that off |
| 14:07.19 | infodroid | yo2lux: don't go overboard with the eye candy or you get sluggish system |
| 14:07.32 | annma | yo2lux: yes but sme thigs might be slow |
| 14:07.55 | infodroid | Akbar: that should be a bug no? if you disabled events but you are still receiving events? |
| 14:09.38 | Akbar | I don't know if that's the same thing |
| 14:09.39 | Moid_ | but its the same as aids |
| 14:09.58 | Akbar | lol, what is? |
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| 14:13.25 | canllaith | bahahahaha this dilbert is -great- |
| 14:13.35 | yo2lux | why kde want much much system resource, the goal is not to make more faster ? |
| 14:13.45 | Moid_ | sorry you guys im pretty much stuck with wow |
| 14:13.54 | canllaith | it just makes me think of KDE just before the alpha one where the kcm changes were made that made the whole thing have epileptic fits |
| 14:14.25 | canllaith | yo2lux: I use KDE as my development environment on a 5 year old laptop, 500MHz processor and it runs great. I don't think that is too high a standard, mmm ? |
| 14:14.27 | infodroid | Moid_: what are you saying? and who are you talking to? |
| 14:14.46 | canllaith | oh no! you can't save exported pdf chunks over fish:/ :( |
| 14:14.52 | infodroid | yo2lux: yeah there is eye candy if you want eye candy, but otherwise its lean and mean |
| 14:15.41 | Frost^ | good afternoon folks |
| 14:15.51 | Frost^ | (no I won't ask anything) |
| 14:16.17 | yo2lux | thanks ! |
| 14:16.17 | Moid_ | awesome, thanks :d |
| 14:17.59 | canllaith | yo2lux: but yeah that system will be enough for KDE if you do not turn all the eye candy on:) that much ram is plenty I only have 256 on my laptop |
| 14:18.15 | Frost^ | yo2lux, I ran kde 3.4 on a p3 450mhz 256mb ram not so long ago |
| 14:18.25 | Frost^ | your machine will do just fine |
| 14:18.35 | canllaith | The slowest I've tried is a pII 350MHz/192MB |
| 14:18.36 | yo2lux | Thanks guys ! |
| 14:18.37 | Moid_ | k, thanks |
| 14:18.42 | canllaith | That was quite ok, but obviously not like zippy |
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| 14:18.47 | canllaith | it was perfectly usable though :) |
| 14:18.53 | infodroid | Moid_: are you a bot? |
| 14:18.59 | Frost^ | I love this p4 of mine now |
| 14:19.00 | Frost^ | :p |
| 14:19.01 | Moid_ | but i dont know what to order :p |
| 14:19.08 | annma | infodroid: I think it is |
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| 14:19.22 | yo2lux | thanks for much help , sorry i need to go.. |
| 14:19.24 | infodroid | Moid_: lets go play in channel #123 (nobody else go there) |
| 14:19.27 | Moid_ | so yeah, the play is pretty much a play within a play |
| 14:19.38 | infodroid | Moid_: come to channel #123, chat with you there |
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| 14:20.14 | hennewou | which command do I have to use to activate de kde screensaver? |
| 14:21.02 | DexterF | none. enable it in kcontrol. |
| 14:21.26 | flosch | hi |
| 14:21.27 | Moid_ | hi |
| 14:21.49 | hennewou | so the equivalent to "xscreensaver-command -activate" does not exist? |
| 14:22.23 | annma | hennewou: you don't have KCntrol? |
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| 14:23.41 | annma | hennewou: there is a comand for it of course |
| 14:23.51 | infodroid | Moid_: shut up |
| 14:23.51 | Moid_ | moid. |
| 14:23.52 | annma | but don't ask me which oe |
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| 14:24.21 | hennewou | Yes, after five minuts, the screensaver activates by himself (I have set this option in kcontrol), but I want to activate the screensaver at a random time (like locking the screen, but I don't want the screen get locked). |
| 14:24.53 | infodroid | what does "at a random time" mean? |
| 14:25.28 | hennewou | infodroid: the time that I run the command. |
| 14:25.58 | infodroid | you can set advanced options to start the screensaver in different screen corners |
| 14:26.01 | Moid_ | and theres a big beer hq with a big screen on, like they have with the stock market, with all the beer volumes on, and everyones running about and instead of buy buy buy and all that, theyre all shouting drink drink drink when it goes up and piss piss piss when it goes down |
| 14:26.04 | infodroid | Screen Saver > Advanced |
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| 14:27.05 | infodroid | hennewou: if thats not what you want, then write a script that makes a DCOP call |
| 14:27.22 | infodroid | canllaith: me too |
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| 14:28.14 | canllaith | could someone say my name ? :) |
| 14:28.20 | Frost^ | canllaith |
| 14:28.21 | annma | canllaith |
| 14:28.23 | Frost^ | queen canllaith |
| 14:28.29 | canllaith | Thanks guys :) |
| 14:28.38 | Frost^ | welcome |
| 14:28.39 | snugglemonkey | queen_snark |
| 14:28.44 | Frost^ | how is konversation really? |
| 14:28.45 | canllaith | heh |
| 14:28.49 | canllaith | Reall, really good |
| 14:28.52 | Moid_ | *cough* vedder *cough* |
| 14:28.53 | Moid_ | and its really blurry right now |
| 14:29.11 | infodroid | the gui needs a lot of work though |
| 14:29.17 | canllaith | Nah, the gui is fantastic |
| 14:29.23 | Frost^ | canllaith, 0.15.1? |
| 14:29.44 | canllaith | Nope, cvs head |
| 14:29.44 | infodroid | like you can't sort the nicks and put the ops on top |
| 14:29.47 | Frost^ | ah ok |
| 14:29.52 | canllaith | The topic editor is fantastic |
| 14:29.54 | chavo | there's a lot of new stuff in koncersation since .15.1 |
| 14:29.57 | Frost^ | I'll wait for the next stable then :) |
| 14:30.22 | infodroid | although its needs some usability work, its the best i've tried yet |
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| 14:30.34 | hennewou | infodroid: the option doesn work. (I try to put the mouse into the upper right corner) |
| 14:30.45 | hennewou | infodroid: would be cool if that worked |
| 14:31.05 | infodroid | i think it does work |
| 14:31.07 | infodroid | for me |
| 14:31.14 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/konversation.png |
| 14:31.25 | infodroid | hennewou: figure out what yuo're not doing right |
| 14:31.32 | canllaith | The topic editor is fantastic, it saves all the previous topics in a list |
| 14:31.47 | canllaith | so if someone changes it and you want to revert it you can select which topic you want, and the nick of the person that originally set it is beside it |
| 14:31.50 | infodroid | canllaith: wow, i guess 0.14 is ancient |
| 14:32.07 | canllaith | I'm using 0.16 |
| 14:32.33 | annma | what are those squares near the nicknames? |
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| 14:32.35 | Moid_ | then you have to go wwii and use those refueling planes |
| 14:32.59 | canllaith | annma: just little icons for the users, there are 5 'themes' that come with it so you can pick a theme that shows voice/ops etc a bit better |
| 14:33.04 | hennewou | infodroid: I think I set everything right. I don't understand. |
| 14:33.12 | annma | what do they tell? |
| 14:33.12 | infodroid | hennewou: you need to leave your mouse there a couple of sec |
| 14:33.13 | canllaith | That one looks pretty but not very meaningful in the information it shows about the user |
| 14:33.22 | Moid_ | ever had that stuff? is pretty wierd |
| 14:33.27 | annma | some have a red square |
| 14:33.37 | annma | lol |
| 14:33.40 | canllaith | I only know ops/non ops :P |
| 14:33.40 | Moid_ | why dont you go cry to the doctor about your ass some more |
| 14:33.43 | Moid_ | lol |
| 14:33.43 | canllaith | anything else I don't know |
| 14:33.52 | infodroid | maybe its away or not away ? |
| 14:33.53 | Moid_ | well, its slightly annoying when someone says oh go and kill this bloke miles away :) |
| 14:33.56 | canllaith | ok, so that Moid_ thing is definitely a bot? |
| 14:34.02 | annma | maybe you can kick the bit |
| 14:34.05 | annma | the bot |
| 14:34.05 | canllaith | should we kick it out? |
| 14:34.07 | canllaith | ok |
| 14:34.14 | annma | :) |
| 14:34.19 | *** mode/#kde [+o canllaith] by ChanServ |
| 14:34.21 | Moid_ | i also placed tutorialclassic on the watermarsh of vandaron 3 - which housed the original ut99 map ctf-dreary. small stuff like that... |
| 14:34.25 | *** mode/#kde [+b Moid_!*@*] by canllaith |
| 14:34.29 | *** kick/#kde [Moid_!~canllaith@jhall.developer.kde] by canllaith (User terminated!) |
| 14:34.34 | annma | nice |
| 14:34.36 | annma | thanks |
| 14:34.37 | *** mode/#kde [-o canllaith] by canllaith |
| 14:34.43 | canllaith | The only thing I do not like about konversation |
| 14:34.47 | hennewou | infodroid: nope, doen't work :( |
| 14:34.49 | canllaith | is if you try to right click on a user and do 'kick ban' |
| 14:34.53 | canllaith | it does not get THAT user! |
| 14:34.57 | annma | no! |
| 14:35.02 | canllaith | can you believe I banned lauri?? |
| 14:35.04 | canllaith | by accident |
| 14:35.04 | hennewou | anyway, thanks for the help |
| 14:35.08 | annma | lol |
| 14:35.12 | annma | lauri! |
| 14:35.18 | Akbar | or if you are connecting to a server and that server is connecting, you can't close the tab :) |
| 14:35.20 | canllaith | So now I always type /mode |
| 14:35.22 | infodroid | hennewou: give it at least five seconds and don't move your mouse, make sure its exactly in the corner |
| 14:35.26 | canllaith | instead of using the mouse lol |
| 14:35.38 | canllaith | That was embarrassing |
| 14:35.42 | annma | quite a serious bug |
| 14:35.43 | canllaith | first ever kickban in #kde and I ban lauri :( |
| 14:35.44 | canllaith | :P |
| 14:35.47 | annma | yeah |
| 14:35.53 | canllaith | hehehe, I should report it |
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| 14:36.00 | canllaith | file a bug report |
| 14:36.05 | annma | yes |
| 14:36.34 | hennewou | infodroid: ok it works :) . Sorry to be so confused. |
| 14:36.54 | hennewou | thank you |
| 14:37.00 | canllaith | I didn't like konversation much when I first used it, but it has improved in leaps and bounds. |
| 14:37.14 | infodroid | hennewou: np |
| 14:37.41 | infodroid | canllaith: i was considering kopete for irc, i hear the newer versions have much better irc support |
| 14:37.49 | canllaith | Actually |
| 14:37.57 | canllaith | I hear from one of the kopete developers that irc support might get dropped |
| 14:38.01 | canllaith | he feels it's not ready for release |
| 14:38.29 | infodroid | do you think its quite buggy? |
| 14:39.26 | canllaith | It's not particularly good no |
| 14:39.33 | annma | yes, kopete is not an irc client |
| 14:39.36 | canllaith | well I guess it depends what kind of user you are |
| 14:39.46 | annma | it's not good wanting to do too much stuff |
| 14:39.50 | canllaith | I'm involved in two open source projects and tend to be in 4 - 10 channels |
| 14:40.03 | annma | 2? |
| 14:40.06 | canllaith | kopete just makes that too cumbersome, I need a full fledged irc client |
| 14:40.06 | infodroid | you think it can't handle it? |
| 14:40.08 | canllaith | annma: yup two |
| 14:40.20 | canllaith | I'm the RPM maintainer for gwydion-dylan |
| 14:40.28 | annma | ohhh |
| 14:40.31 | annma | coool |
| 14:40.33 | canllaith | and I am meant to be doing some documentation for them too, but that must wait until I learn more. |
| 14:40.45 | canllaith | annma: it is a project brucehoult is also involved in. |
| 14:40.53 | canllaith | He is a smart lad, hacking on a programming language ;) |
| 14:41.03 | annma | yes |
| 14:43.52 | canllaith | So at any rate, being a complete irc addict kopete does not support enough features for me ;) |
| 14:43.56 | qfh | i'm running kde (of course ;). a gtk2 program (xchat) does not use the skin i set in gnome. if i run gnome-theme-manager, the selected style is applied, though. how can i make this permanent? |
| 14:44.16 | canllaith | qfh: easiest way is to install gtk-qt engine |
| 14:44.24 | canllaith | then you get a kcontrol module for gtk styles and fonts |
| 14:44.40 | qfh | do i need to recompile gtk or gtk programs then? |
| 14:44.45 | canllaith | no |
| 14:44.55 | canllaith | This is in the faq, people should read the topic :) |
| 14:45.02 | _joey | canllaith: http://users.tpg.com.au/galutva/snap.png |
| 14:45.03 | canllaith | http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/non-kde-apps.html#id2880328 |
| 14:45.09 | _joey | screenshot of my irc client |
| 14:45.25 | _joey | whoho, I've got kdegraphics compiled |
| 14:45.30 | canllaith | Yup, I use irssi + screen lots |
| 14:45.35 | qfh | sounds fine :) i thought the gtk-qt-engine does something different |
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| 14:45.43 | _joey | It takes a while to compile any application written in C++ |
| 14:46.32 | canllaith | When I am getting up to like, 8 channels + queries though irssi I find too hard to keep up with everyone |
| 14:47.04 | annma | _joey: depends of your CPU |
| 14:47.07 | _joey | 8 channels would difficult to keep with using any client:) |
| 14:47.19 | canllaith | True |
| 14:47.50 | _joey | annma doesn't matter wht cpu you use , C++ source will taker longer on the same cpu |
| 14:47.54 | snugglemonkey | heah! compilation took under 6 hours, and no errors again... THIS is what it's supposed to work like. ;) |
| 14:48.06 | annma | longer than what? |
| 14:48.16 | _joey | longer than C |
| 14:48.30 | _joey | compiling an application written in C |
| 14:48.49 | _joey | It's just I've got gentoo running and I have to compile applications |
| 14:48.58 | annma | ohh |
| 14:49.01 | annma | nice |
| 14:49.07 | _joey | no way |
| 14:49.09 | canllaith | Depends on which compiler that you use |
| 14:49.15 | annma | you should compare gnome base versus kde base |
| 14:49.22 | canllaith | gcc has been optimised to hell and back for C |
| 14:49.50 | _joey | imagine you have to compile Open Office, well I don't compile it there's prebuilt package available for this application but most applications only available in source |
| 14:49.51 | annma | I have actually no idea how much time gnome base takes versus kdebase |
| 14:50.01 | canllaith | gnome is not much quicker really |
| 14:50.06 | canllaith | ... and has far less in it |
| 14:50.17 | _joey | canllaith that's because most application are written in C , probably |
| 14:50.20 | annma | this is how it must be seen |
| 14:50.22 | canllaith | No thanks, I speak English, not your perversion. |
| 14:50.26 | snugglemonkey | lol |
| 14:50.38 | _joey | :) |
| 14:50.43 | annma | not a C app versus a C++ app but the same app in C and in C++ |
| 14:50.48 | canllaith | I write in en_US for KDE because I'm told to, but I'll speak my native language in IRC. |
| 14:50.53 | annma | C is quicker but requires much loc |
| 14:51.01 | annma | more loc |
| 14:51.16 | _joey | what's loc? |
| 14:51.22 | annma | lines of code |
| 14:51.32 | _joey | absolutely |
| 14:51.32 | canllaith | and the string handling gives me nightmares |
| 14:51.46 | annma | so all in all C is not much faster |
| 14:51.49 | canllaith | I don't like c++ much better of course, but anything would have to be an improvement over C |
| 14:51.50 | _joey | :) |
| 14:52.03 | canllaith | hehehe |
| 14:52.10 | canllaith | you have the skill, to make it behave ;) |
| 14:52.10 | annma | I only know C++ in fact.... |
| 14:52.19 | canllaith | maybe I'll like it better when I learn more, but right now I prefer perl |
| 14:52.40 | _joey | There's a nice set of utilities to core dump caused by unsafe string functions |
| 14:52.44 | annma | perl is nice but then it won't make you a desktop |
| 14:52.47 | infodroid | annma: do you code for kde? |
| 14:52.54 | _joey | Perl? |
| 14:52.54 | annma | infodroid: a bit, yes |
| 14:53.02 | _joey | hmmm |
| 14:53.07 | _joey | It's actually ugly |
| 14:53.10 | canllaith | Very true annma, but then any desktop made by me will have bigger problems than what language to be written in ;) |
| 14:53.22 | canllaith | No, you can write well in almost any language if you try. |
| 14:53.24 | canllaith | Perl can be elegant |
| 14:53.32 | canllaith | sredna agrees with me on this one ;) |
| 14:53.41 | annma | perl is elegant, yes |
| 14:53.47 | infodroid | is it just me or do other people realise that gtk is just a brittle and crummy toolkit to build a desktop from? |
| 14:53.57 | annma | good programmers make all languages easy to understand |
| 14:53.58 | canllaith | Well, I'm biased :) |
| 14:54.01 | canllaith | I like qt. |
| 14:54.02 | _joey | have you written mmuch Perl, it's OO is unsuitable for large projects |
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| 14:54.26 | canllaith | depends how you define 'much' or 'large' of course |
| 14:54.33 | infodroid | canllaith: yes, i haven't used a gnome program that didn't crash, like they don't have try-catch blocks or something |
| 14:54.35 | canllaith | my website is written in perl |
| 14:54.54 | _joey | no provicy on methos and variables, polymorphism and iheritance is bloted on |
| 14:54.57 | canllaith | Well, I say 'website' |
| 14:55.05 | canllaith | It's an invoicing and ordering system |
| 14:55.19 | infodroid | _joey: yea and i'm surprised that they got big companies backing the desktop |
| 14:55.31 | _joey | no nothing, they have only slogs, that's why Larry Wall decided to change 35% of syntax ond sematics in Perl 6 |
| 14:55.44 | _joey | slogs/slogans |
| 14:56.00 | _joey | the only good thing about Perl is CPAN |
| 14:56.14 | _joey | imho |
| 14:56.32 | _joey | :)) |
| 14:58.01 | infodroid | canllaith: it pissess me off to think gnome may get more commercial support despite the fact its technically inferior |
| 14:58.12 | canllaith | Why care? |
| 14:58.22 | canllaith | and I think you could debate that one all day, really. |
| 14:58.31 | canllaith | darn konversation lost my highlighting again :( |
| 14:58.32 | infodroid | you have a point |
| 14:58.48 | infodroid | maybe its indicative of something kde isn't doing? |
| 14:58.51 | canllaith | Well, you can discuss whatever you like of course :) |
| 14:59.02 | canllaith | but I'd rather spend time talking about ways to promote our fantastic product |
| 14:59.06 | infodroid | to make this conversation constructure |
| 14:59.09 | infodroid | constructive |
| 14:59.17 | canllaith | rather than negativity about others producs |
| 14:59.30 | infodroid | is there a marketing department |
| 14:59.39 | canllaith | there is kde-promo |
| 14:59.41 | _joey | hey |
| 14:59.46 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: Mine was gone too this morning, but I think it's just a matter of checking it again. |
| 14:59.53 | _joey | I installed kde yesterday and I think it's awesome |
| 14:59.53 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: I've done it 3 times :( |
| 15:00.10 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: well, messages to my nick are highlighted after a check. |
| 15:00.17 | canllaith | Yep same here |
| 15:00.21 | canllaith | but then they vanish again very quickly |
| 15:00.28 | snugglemonkey | Hm. |
| 15:00.56 | snugglemonkey | I suppose I'll see if something changes here in a few minutes... message me back later. |
| 15:01.03 | canllaith | Ah well. CVS head does that :P |
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| 15:01.31 | canllaith | ah, so nervous. Applying for a job .. :( |
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| 15:01.38 | snugglemonkey | !!!! |
| 15:01.42 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: why? |
| 15:01.49 | canllaith | a friend of mine is begging me on his hands and knees to come work for him |
| 15:01.52 | snugglemonkey | I thought you like what you wer doing? |
| 15:02.08 | canllaith | he really actually begged, I'm so flattered... heh |
| 15:02.28 | canllaith | The money is adequate, the environment is fantastic, I'd love the job. I'd be part of a reasonably large scale migration to OSS |
| 15:02.36 | canllaith | It's in a city Andrew can work as a scientist again |
| 15:02.39 | snugglemonkey | hmmm... can you do contract work instead? "1099" |
| 15:02.58 | snugglemonkey | Oh, nevermind. Seems like you are content with either way. :) |
| 15:03.04 | canllaith | I wouldn't take it for anyone else, but this guy is a dear :) |
| 15:03.08 | _joey | konversation is a good client but I don't think I can swap it with my beloved irssi:) |
| 15:03.33 | canllaith | unfortunately, while he ultimately decides who gets the position there has to be a paper trail, and I have to be interviewed by more than just him |
| 15:03.34 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: send a message to me again.... |
| 15:03.38 | canllaith | so nervewracking :( |
| 15:03.44 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: so I'm just -dying- of terror here. |
| 15:03.52 | snugglemonkey | hm. still highlighted. |
| 15:03.54 | canllaith | I hate official processes and interviews and it's in another country |
| 15:04.00 | StarScream | canllaith: what job is this? who are you going to work for? |
| 15:04.02 | snugglemonkey | whoa. |
| 15:04.11 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: you will have to leave NZ? |
| 15:04.15 | canllaith | a network engineer. |
| 15:04.29 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: well I'm not actually a NZ citizen, it's back in the country I was born in. |
| 15:04.35 | snugglemonkey | AU? |
| 15:04.38 | canllaith | Yup |
| 15:04.44 | snugglemonkey | Sydney? |
| 15:04.48 | StarScream | snugglemonkey: the sheep are kicking her out :) |
| 15:04.48 | canllaith | Yup |
| 15:04.57 | canllaith | City I was born in too :) (Well, penrith close enough) |
| 15:04.58 | snugglemonkey | damn, I'm good. |
| 15:04.58 | _joey | heyy |
| 15:05.11 | canllaith | oh :) |
| 15:05.21 | _joey | :) |
| 15:05.35 | _joey | and I go through job interviews at the moment too |
| 15:05.39 | canllaith | So I've been in New Zealand close to two years now (wow! I had no idea) |
| 15:05.40 | StarScream | surprising the amount of ozzies around.. |
| 15:05.52 | canllaith | What's really surprising is the amount of kiwis |
| 15:05.58 | canllaith | sycofly, renze, brucehoult, slayerbob |
| 15:06.20 | canllaith | Although darnit it means I wont be the first dot on the NZ part of the KDE contributers map! |
| 15:06.30 | canllaith | Maybe physos will put me there anyway as an honourary kiwi ;) |
| 15:06.31 | StarScream | canllaith: heh ...they're not kiwis if they're are any good at what they do...they're australian...just like russel crow et al |
| 15:06.49 | canllaith | I think you'll find they disagree with you. |
| 15:07.17 | StarScream | canllaith: still doesn't stop us from laying claim to them =) |
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| 15:08.50 | qfh | wow, now gnome-theme-manager crashes upon startup :] |
| 15:08.53 | _joey | canllaith what are you doing in NZ? |
| 15:09.06 | canllaith | I'm a unix systems consultant, and my b/f is a New Zealander |
| 15:09.09 | canllaith | he's a physicist |
| 15:09.14 | _joey | I see |
| 15:09.32 | _joey | I may get myself a job and start next week:) |
| 15:09.39 | canllaith | :) |
| 15:10.15 | _joey | it's called isp engineer but half of it is RH Linux and half is writing Perl programs |
| 15:10.24 | canllaith | sounds good |
| 15:10.44 | _joey | I hope it is good |
| 15:10.51 | _joey | It 's only 6 months contract |
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| 15:13.34 | _joey | It's time to go to bed for me |
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| 15:30.40 | coachz | Is there a macro program for KDE ? |
| 15:31.05 | annma | macro? |
| 15:31.07 | Blissex | coachz: what kind of macros? Do you mean scripting? |
| 15:31.20 | coachz | to run firefox |
| 15:31.21 | annma | in Unix you can script many ways |
| 15:31.25 | coachz | click here, click there |
| 15:31.27 | coachz | type this |
| 15:31.42 | annma | run firefox from where? |
| 15:31.47 | Blissex | coachz: to run Firefox you create a '.desktop' file, which can be put in a menu or on the desktop. |
| 15:31.49 | annma | there's the dcop |
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| 15:33.39 | coachz | i want a macro program that i can use for apps in KDE |
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| 15:34.35 | EtherNet | how do I start kde? .xinitrc: exec kdeinit |
| 15:34.35 | EtherNet | ? |
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| 15:34.50 | Blissex | coachz: you want a scripting language to put in applications or to control applications with? |
| 15:34.53 | Cerulean | EtherNet: startkde |
| 15:34.56 | Blissex | EtherNet: 'startkde' |
| 15:34.57 | Cerulean | EtherNet: Not kdeinit |
| 15:35.05 | EtherNet | Blissex, okas, lemme find that binary |
| 15:35.14 | Blissex | EtherNet: it is a script... |
| 15:35.23 | coachz | I want to click on a button, say Record macro, have it record all my keystrokes and mouse moves/click and play it back |
| 15:35.25 | Blissex | EtherNet: but it should be where all other KDE programs are. |
| 15:35.53 | Blissex | coachz: ah that's a completely different thing. But that's not exactly how you do things in GNU/Linux... |
| 15:35.55 | K9-Cop | Is anyone else having the 'keyboard doesn't work/causes problems at login page' problem? |
| 15:36.19 | coachz | i have reports that have to be run from a web browser and we have hundreds to run |
| 15:36.25 | coachz | so i want a macro to do the clicking |
| 15:36.32 | coachz | and me go home and drink vodka |
| 15:37.10 | chavo | mmmm vodka |
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| 15:37.14 | douglas | hi ! |
| 15:37.31 | coachz | absolutely |
| 15:37.50 | Blissex | coachz: then it is better for you to click hundreds of times than to drink vodka, as carpal tunnel is better than cirrosis... |
| 15:37.56 | douglas | kde 3.4 beta 1 is really good |
| 15:38.05 | chavo | yes vodka > reports |
| 15:38.08 | coachz | Blissex, vodka is nutritious |
| 15:38.11 | douglas | is there any 3.4 beta 2 packages for slackware ? |
| 15:38.22 | coachz | in moderation |
| 15:38.28 | Blissex | coachz: that's another bad problem -- makes you fat :-) |
| 15:38.45 | chavo | well if you're already fat, then it's not so bad |
| 15:38.50 | Blissex | coachz: however under Linux you typically write a script to do that kind of thing, and usually it is pretty easy :-) |
| 15:38.58 | coachz | in X ? |
| 15:39.09 | Blissex | coachz: same, nice little script. |
| 15:39.27 | coachz | including mouse moves/clicks ? |
| 15:39.41 | Blissex | coachz: what you want to do if I understand well is to submit many similar URLs and then save the resulting web pages? |
| 15:40.02 | Blissex | coachz: or are those reports coming out of forms where you have to really enter and click? |
| 15:41.18 | coachz | yes, it's all web based with lots of clicking |
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| 15:42.45 | Cerulean | coachz: Well, you can write a script to automate that if you're using Konqueror. |
| 15:43.17 | Cerulean | coachz: It is pretty long though, so its usefulness if you're not familiar with javascript may be limited. |
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| 15:43.47 | KoMpLoT | hi everyone, would like to know how can I get rid of artsd on startup |
| 15:43.49 | Blissex | coachz: but how do you program the clickings that different in each case? |
| 15:44.05 | coachz | thats' what macros do |
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| 15:44.16 | Hyde | hello |
| 15:44.26 | KoMpLoT | the first time it started, knotify crashed because of it and then i mark the option to not to ask again, and put retry |
| 15:44.33 | Hyde | is there a place where i could get the crystal icons in svg format? |
| 15:44.56 | KoMpLoT | ever since, i can't login using my user to kde, because artsd is always looking to load and it doesn't work... |
| 15:44.58 | KoMpLoT | any clue? |
| 15:45.02 | Blissex | coachz: there are X Windows click-recorders/macro handlers, not specific to KDE, but I can't remember any right now. |
| 15:45.21 | Cerulean | Hyde: Crystal-svg is the package name.. |
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| 15:45.31 | Blissex | coachz: the GNU/Linux approach would be to write a shell script that invokes 'wget' with slightly different URLs for each page. |
| 15:46.12 | Hyde | Cerulean: yes but there not in svg format |
| 15:46.45 | coachz | bummer |
| 15:46.48 | Cerulean | Blissex: No, I wouldn't think so. What would passing variables in the URL do if the page isn't designed to take them like that? |
| 15:46.53 | coachz | so many linux apps and no macro recorder |
| 15:47.02 | Cerulean | Hyde: Is that so? |
| 15:47.23 | Hyde | do you have the package under your hands? can ua send it to me? |
| 15:47.41 | Blissex | Cerulean: you can always use something that does 'POST' tooo |
| 15:47.49 | Cerulean | /usr/kde/3.4/share/apps/kbstateapplet/icons/crystalsvg/scalable/actions/keypress |
| 15:47.49 | Cerulean | ok.svg |
| 15:48.00 | Cerulean | That looks like an svg file to me |
| 15:48.10 | Cerulean | Blissex: Sure. |
| 15:48.28 | Hyde | can ya send it to me? |
| 15:48.41 | Hyde | the package i mean |
| 15:49.00 | Hyde | or where can i download only that package |
| 15:49.02 | Cerulean | Hyde: It should be included de-facto. What KDE version? |
| 15:49.14 | Hyde | yes, but i need only the icons |
| 15:49.19 | Hyde | in svg format |
| 15:49.25 | Cerulean | Hyde: KDE version? |
| 15:49.40 | Hyde | don't know that |
| 15:49.45 | Hyde | i think the last |
| 15:51.44 | Cerulean | Go to the menu |
| 15:51.49 | Cerulean | go to 'run' |
| 15:51.51 | Cerulean | and type |
| 15:52.13 | Cerulean | kdialog --msgbox "`kde-config --version | grep KDE`" |
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| 15:52.22 | Cerulean | Paste what the message box says. |
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| 15:54.01 | Hyde | Cerulean: i'm not in kde... i'm on a windows box now |
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| 15:54.39 | Hyde | Cerulean: don'0t need the package for installation, but only for the icons themself |
| 15:55.33 | Cerulean | Hyde: So you just want to take KDE artists' work for usage in some Windows related thing? |
| 15:55.38 | Cerulean | Nice ;-) |
| 15:55.48 | Hyde | no |
| 15:56.13 | Hyde | i need them to see the colors and transparency use |
| 15:56.23 | Hyde | just to learn |
| 15:56.31 | Hyde | i'm a graphic |
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| 15:57.19 | Cerulean | Urm, base new images off the already created ones? |
| 15:57.44 | Hyde | no... just to learn |
| 15:58.14 | Hyde | but ok, if you don't want... it doesn't matter |
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| 15:58.53 | Cerulean | Then why do you need the SVG's? |
| 15:59.05 | Cerulean | If you just want to look at the colors and transparency, raster pngs should do fine? |
| 15:59.05 | Hyde | i told ya..... |
| 15:59.23 | Hyde | to see how the author did the transparency and the use of colors |
| 15:59.40 | Hyde | in the other formats, you can't see it that good as in svg |
| 15:59.51 | Hyde | becaus an svg can be resized |
| 16:00.05 | Hyde | so i can enlarge image and see it well |
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| 16:27.00 | s1amson | so, ive searched the kde docs, and searched google, for 'Could not start process Cannot talk to klauncher.' and, the results are vague to say the least. can anyone tell me what causes this error. the only time that ive ever got it is when trying to use 'File Browser - Super User Mode' -- KDE 3.3.0 in SuSE 9.2 |
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| 16:33.47 | lymz | is there a way to rebuild my menu? |
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| 17:02.34 | colyte | My icons in KDE refuse to anti alias themeselves. Reinstall including deleting files in $HOME doesn't help. Any ideas? |
| 17:03.55 | Cerulean | colyte: Got AA fonts set up? |
| 17:04.16 | colyte | Yeap! |
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| 17:05.58 | colyte | Tho it's just konq and amarok from KDE i use, it's extremely annoying. Ruining my eyes... slowly.. day by day :P |
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| 17:15.09 | Archdevil | question. I use kdm to start kde (using archlinux). I want to execute the command "xmodmap xmodmap.conf" everytime I start kde. Where do I place this command to accomplish that? |
| 17:15.24 | SteamedPenguin | Archdevil: .xinitrc ? |
| 17:16.00 | Archdevil | it does not get executed, because I do not use xdm (so I was told) |
| 17:16.07 | Archdevil | I placed it there, but it did not work |
| 17:16.34 | SteamedPenguin | you could put it into a bash script, and make he file executable, and put it in KDE's autostart folder |
| 17:17.04 | astro76 | arcade: put it in ~/.kde/env/ |
| 17:17.13 | astro76 | argh, Archdevil |
| 17:17.14 | Archdevil | fantastic idea. Is the folder called autostart? |
| 17:17.44 | astro76 | there's also ~./kde/Autostart/, but stuff in env gets executed earlier |
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| 17:18.41 | Archdevil | It needs to be executed before I start using it. So I guess it might be early enough when I place it in Autostart. I will try that first! |
| 17:18.47 | Archdevil | thanks both! |
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| 17:20.27 | bushwakko | Is there a way to get the stuff in media :/ to automount? like in gnome? |
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| 17:22.57 | SteamedPenguin | bushwakko: you need to have HAL |
| 17:23.38 | bushwakko | I have HAL |
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| 17:23.53 | bushwakko | but automounting should be some sort of setting |
| 17:24.06 | bushwakko | if I go to media:/ I see my media pop up when inserted |
| 17:24.13 | bushwakko | but I have to doubleclick it to make it mout |
| 17:24.19 | bushwakko | that should be automatic :/ |
| 17:24.30 | bushwakko | I mean, if I insert a media, I usually want to use it |
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| 17:27.18 | Archdevil | It worked! I placed it in Autostart. Thanks alot! |
| 17:27.31 | vlad | i just installed kde 3.4 beta 2... i can't get kdm to let me login as root. how can i fix this? (and please don't say use the control center, because i have looked over all the options and i swear there is nothing in there that would help... is there a config file somewhere?) |
| 17:27.59 | Archdevil | kdmrc => AllowRootLogin=Yes ? |
| 17:28.09 | vlad | where is kdmrc? |
| 17:28.09 | Pyre | I don't know vlad. They're not connected to IRC. |
| 17:28.19 | Archdevil | locate / find files |
| 17:28.42 | vlad | i think i looked in that... i'll give it a shot, though, thanks |
| 17:28.53 | Archdevil | let me know |
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| 17:29.35 | vlad | ah... nm, i looked in ~/.kde and the file was empty. what i wanted was in /usr/share/kde... |
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| 17:30.22 | _poison | hi ^^ |
| 17:30.48 | _poison | anybody with kde3.4 and a multimedia keyboard in here ? |
| 17:31.19 | Archdevil | partly |
| 17:31.23 | Archdevil | why? |
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| 17:31.55 | vlad | yeah, it worked, thanks |
| 17:32.29 | _poison | the XF86Audio(Raise|Lower)Volume keys start kmix here and a really big grey box pops up with the volume setting ... but I can't find that keymapping anywhere in the controlcenter ... |
| 17:32.52 | _poison | ... to disable it |
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| 17:34.37 | Archdevil | ~/.kde/share/config/khotkeysrc ? |
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| 17:36.06 | Archdevil | found it _poison ? |
| 17:36.16 | rich_B | Hmm I wish kpdf had bookmarks:) |
| 17:36.18 | _poison | Archdevil: no ... I can neither grep kmix nor any XF* key in there ... |
| 17:36.22 | s1amson | ctrl center > regional & accessability > keyboard shortcuts? |
| 17:36.34 | Archdevil | possible too |
| 17:36.39 | s1amson | theres an application tab in that menu |
| 17:37.01 | _poison | s1amson: no ... it isn't in there ... and not even under Command shortcuts ... |
| 17:37.53 | _poison | s1amson: the application tab is specific to general application actions (copy/paste/..) |
| 17:38.38 | _poison | thats the reason why I'm really curious where this keymapping is defined |
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| 17:43.08 | _poison | this is weird ... I've wiped out my .kde dir bevor upgrading to 3.4beta2 =( |
| 17:43.37 | _poison | really nobody got an idea where this keybinding could be defined ? |
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| 17:46.34 | ArtyObs | how can i make kmail trust signatures i have signed? |
| 17:46.35 | PieD | re |
| 17:47.09 | _poison | ArtyObs: did you mark them as trustful ? |
| 17:47.43 | ArtyObs | _poison: how do i do that? |
| 17:48.07 | ArtyObs | i looked at the manpage but saw no such command |
| 17:48.14 | ArtyObs | only how to change trust mode |
| 17:49.07 | _poison | ArtyObs: in kgpg right click on the key,choose edit key and adjust the owner trust to your prefs ... |
| 17:49.47 | ArtyObs | kpgp?? |
| 17:50.10 | ArtyObs | i use cli gpg |
| 17:50.34 | _poison | ArtyObs: hmmm ... can't remember the cmd for cli ... sorry ... |
| 17:51.00 | ArtyObs | kpgp isn't even in ports |
| 17:51.50 | _poison | ArtyObs: it's in kdeutils |
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| 17:52.34 | marcus000000001 | Hi there |
| 17:53.57 | marcus000000001 | Currently I use aRts, and I think of installing ALSA (fedora core1). If I install ALSA will sound work with apps such as noatun, juk etc ?? |
| 17:54.28 | _poison | marcus000000001: if alsa works with your soundcard, yes ... |
| 17:54.39 | bushwakko | Is there a way to get the stuff in media :/ to automount? like in gnome? |
| 17:55.05 | ArtyObs | _poison: not on my install |
| 17:55.25 | _poison | ArtyObs: freebsd ? |
| 17:55.29 | _poison | what kde version ? |
| 17:55.40 | marcus000000001 | _poison, Well I installed ALSA for a try a few month ago, and had to give up because I couldn't select ALSA in the KDE control panel... |
| 17:55.57 | marcus000000001 | (although I have a classic AC97 sound chip) |
| 17:56.06 | _poison | marcus000000001: I can, but alsa doesn't play nice with my soundcard ... |
| 17:56.27 | marcus000000001 | _poison, So you kep using arts ? |
| 17:56.29 | marcus000000001 | keep* |
| 17:56.55 | _poison | marcus000000001: I keep using oss ... |
| 17:57.04 | marcus000000001 | hum ok |
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| 17:57.32 | marcus000000001 | But oss doesnt allow multiple sounds at the same time non ? |
| 17:57.34 | meio | is there a kde app that i can use to open and edit a pdf? |
| 17:58.04 | ArtyObs | you can't edit an existing pdf without a commercial editor, but you can convert other documents into pdf |
| 17:58.07 | _poison | marcus000000001: no, thats why there are jack, arts, ... soundservers ... |
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| 17:58.37 | marcus000000001 | ok |
| 17:58.40 | ArtyObs | _poison: 3.3.2 |
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| 17:59.19 | _poison | ArtyObs: hmmm ... are you sure ? alt+f2: kgpg |
| 18:01.05 | ArtyObs | _poison: i remapped all combos, and there is no kgpg or kpgp in my utils menu |
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| 18:01.58 | marcus000000001 | _poison, what sound card do you have ? |
| 18:02.12 | _poison | hmmm .... update your menu maybe ? it's in kdeutils ... I'm using it since kde 3.2 ... °0%sure ... I also have it on my bsd istall ... |
| 18:02.33 | marcus000000001 | btw Is there anybody else running ALSA here ? |
| 18:04.21 | _poison | marcus000000001: 00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 05) that one doesn't wan't very well with arts ... exactly the same card ...purchased some months before (00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 02)) works like a charm with alsa ... (there Soundblaster live 128 cards ... ) |
| 18:04.48 | marcus000000001 | hehe ok thanks :) |
| 18:05.25 | marcus000000001 | So my best bet having nice sound on linux is buying a real sound card ? |
| 18:06.39 | PieD | yes :) |
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| 18:06.58 | _poison | marcus000000001: probably =) ... I didn't bother since It's connected to a shitty hi-fi system, which wouldn't result in good sound no matter how good the soundcard would be =P |
| 18:07.03 | PieD | I had no problems with true sound cards ! |
| 18:07.24 | PieD | (always sound blaster : my first one was a 128, the second was a 4.1) |
| 18:07.56 | marcus000000001 | humm how much is in average such a card ? |
| 18:08.12 | _poison | PieD: I'd try terratec if I had the money =P |
| 18:08.31 | _poison | mine was about 10? *g* |
| 18:09.05 | marcus000000001 | (well actually I've got a quite nice hifi connected to it and well my ac97 does the job pretty well, as long as I don't use amarok |
| 18:09.13 | marcus000000001 | _poison, lol |
| 18:09.21 | _poison | marcus000000001: using arts ? |
| 18:09.26 | marcus000000001 | yep |
| 18:10.17 | marcus000000001 | but for instance amarok won't work with arts (dunno why) I must use the xine engine... I installed gstreamer (wich I'm not quite sure what it is) but that doesn't work either... |
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| 18:10.20 | _poison | hmm ... I find the sound quality better with arts than with the xine engine or gstreamer .... |
| 18:10.57 | marcus000000001 | But is the arts developpment over ? Their website hasn't been updated for 3years |
| 18:11.51 | marcus000000001 | Oh does somebody now where I can set the default volume for arts ? |
| 18:12.46 | _poison | marcus000000001: well ... the thing seems quite undocumented ... don't know why kde doesn't switch to a decent sound deamon like jack ... wich also is MUCH nicer on resources ... does REAL realtime mixing ...and is in general prefered by all 'professional' sound apps on GNU/linux |
| 18:13.25 | aseigo | _poison: does jack do encoding? |
| 18:13.30 | _poison | but jack needs alsa *g* |
| 18:13.35 | marcus000000001 | aha |
| 18:13.36 | aseigo | marcus000000001: yes, arts is finished. |
| 18:13.45 | _poison | aseigo: yes ... I know ... it doesn't ... |
| 18:14.06 | marcus000000001 | basically, if I install ALSA and then jack, will I be able to have sound with kde ? |
| 18:14.48 | aseigo | _poison: that's your answer then |
| 18:14.50 | _poison | marcus000000001: if you compiled kde with jack support through arts *ggg* |
| 18:15.27 | aseigo | _poison: we're less in need of a sound daemon than we are with a media layer |
| 18:15.40 | marcus000000001 | aseigo, why doesn't someone pick it up and continue developping it ? Like I saw on the Klax cd there is no sound because of some arts issues... Why using it if it's so little reliable ? |
| 18:15.41 | _poison | aseigo: k ... |
| 18:16.13 | marcus000000001 | _poison, hehe ok its one of those forget-it things then ^^ |
| 18:16.41 | _poison | marcus000000001: yes ^^ |
| 18:16.58 | aseigo | marcus000000001: there are limitations inherent in the design. |
| 18:17.13 | aseigo | it's also so complex that not even the author understands the code anymore! |
| 18:17.28 | marcus000000001 | and start a new one from scratch ? a sound server just for kde ? |
| 18:17.36 | aseigo | so.... we're going to move to something with a more appropriate design for desktop software and that has a devel community |
| 18:17.40 | marcus000000001 | (I know its a lot of work) |
| 18:17.44 | aseigo | marcus000000001: no ,that would be silly |
| 18:17.50 | aseigo | marcus000000001: we'll be adopting one of the ones that exists |
| 18:18.03 | marcus000000001 | hum, like jack ? |
| 18:18.36 | aseigo | no, like gstreamer |
| 18:18.38 | aseigo | or mas |
| 18:18.39 | aseigo | or nmm |
| 18:18.54 | _poison | aseigo: what we need is a decent sound server build into the kernel *g* that would end this soundserver hell ... I mean ... I wanna play sound with amarok (arts) at the same time edit some soundfile (jack) and some other app I'm currently running needs esd/gstreamer/ ... whatever ... =( It makes me cry everytime ... they even built a webserver into the kernel ... but no sound server that can do software mixing =( |
| 18:18.54 | marcus000000001 | ah ok... but gstreamer is based on alsa, if I understood ? |
| 18:18.58 | aseigo | something that does the codecs and what not that desktop software tends to need |
| 18:19.02 | aseigo | marcus000000001: no. |
| 18:19.11 | ArtyObs | how do i make kmail not encrypt the copy of a crypted mail stored in sent-mail? |
| 18:19.48 | chris_121 | only the ancient ac97 card have no hardware mixing |
| 18:19.52 | chris_121 | every other card has |
| 18:19.56 | markey | hey aseigo |
| 18:19.57 | marcus000000001 | ok then so I _could_ install gstreamer without touching alsa and having sound on kde ? or I'd have to wait for KDE 4 for that ? |
| 18:19.57 | chris_121 | most of them |
| 18:20.09 | aseigo | markey: yo |
| 18:20.10 | markey | I've taken the freedom to link to your blog :) |
| 18:20.18 | markey | http://dot.kde.org/1108660920/ |
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| 18:20.39 | aseigo | marcus000000001: you'll have to wait for kde 4 ... though juk and amaroK can optionally support certain gstreamer versions today |
| 18:20.45 | aseigo | markey: so i noticed =) |
| 18:21.15 | marcus000000001 | ok well some good news for the future, then ! |
| 18:21.56 | marcus000000001 | chris_121, uhm, how can I know if my ac97 is old or new ?? |
| 18:22.17 | marcus000000001 | I mean I know I baught it in 2002... |
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| 18:22.53 | devurandom | Hi! |
| 18:23.24 | chris_121 | ac97 is old by default |
| 18:23.28 | chris_121 | its from 1997 |
| 18:23.34 | marcus000000001 | heh ok |
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| 18:23.42 | chris_121 | intel already made a successor |
| 18:24.57 | devurandom | I am using kconfig and want to use a KComboBox. An item in it should be : "Two words" (with a space in between). How do I access it in my file.kcfg? |
| 18:26.24 | devurandom | I cant say "<choice name="Two words"/>" as this would produce an enum called "Two words" which is not allowed. |
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| 18:27.13 | aseigo | devurandom: hrm... does it allow a name= and a key=? |
| 18:27.29 | devurandom | Don't know... |
| 18:27.39 | devurandom | How does this stuff work? |
| 18:27.41 | aseigo | or.. <choice name="Twowords">Two Words</choice>? just guessing here w/out looking =P |
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| 18:27.57 | devurandom | Ok, I'll try... |
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| 18:31.56 | _poison | nobody can help me ? with Keinstein the XF86Audio(Raise|Lower)Volume keys start kmix here and a really big grey box pops up with the volume setting ... but I can't find that keymapping anywhere in the controlcenter ...to disable it ... |
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| 18:33.20 | Flendor | Hello. |
| 18:33.24 | _poison | hi ^^ |
| 18:34.19 | devurandom | aseigo: Thanks. Seems it worked. |
| 18:34.51 | aseigo | devurandom: which one? name/key? or <choice></choice>? |
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| 18:35.09 | aseigo | _poison: khotkeys, probaby? |
| 18:35.12 | aseigo | er, probably |
| 18:35.14 | _poison | aseigo: no. |
| 18:35.20 | devurandom | <choice></choice> |
| 18:35.21 | aseigo | _poison: either that or perhaps kmilo? |
| 18:35.32 | devurandom | I didn't try the other one. |
| 18:36.06 | devurandom | aseigo: What would name and key mean? (What is the meaning of key and what is that of name?) |
| 18:36.56 | _poison | aseigo: kmilo == ? |
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| 18:37.23 | aseigo | devurandom: name is the name it gets in the code.. key is used for the actual lookup in the config file |
| 18:37.38 | aseigo | _poison: multimedia keyboard tools |
| 18:38.26 | devurandom | aseigo: name is for the actual enum in the compiled code and key is for the .ui file? |
| 18:39.07 | aseigo | devurandom: well, i don't know if it works in that context. i've just used it for when the key in the rc file isn't what i want to appear in the code.. |
| 18:40.08 | devurandom | aseigo: thx |
| 18:41.23 | _poison | aseigo: thx ... I deactivated the service ... now its gone ^^ |
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| 18:42.19 | Paleo | HI |
| 18:43.04 | Paleo | I'm running an aRts-free KDE 3.3.3 , and I set "use an external player" to use aplay |
| 18:43.12 | _poison | strange ... I've setup the XF86Audio* keys as global shortcuts ... now amaok doesn't seem to receive the keyboard events ='( |
| 18:43.15 | Paleo | HOwever, there is no sound playing out |
| 18:43.33 | _poison | *global shortcuts for amarok ... |
| 18:44.21 | CapNemo | hello :) Im using kde 3.4beta2 and i have activate the preview on video in konqueror .. but whatever the type of video file it doesnt work ! an idea ? |
| 18:44.58 | _poison | xev reports the XF86AudioRaiseVolume keys =( |
| 18:45.52 | _poison | CapNemo: what type ? it's working here ... |
| 18:47.22 | CapNemo | _poison: mpeg or avi .. i can see a process started when i enter in the directory up to 100% cpu and then nothing |
| 18:47.42 | devurandom | Paleo: I have the same problem... |
| 18:47.43 | CapNemo | _poison: is there a way to trace that process ? |
| 18:47.46 | devurandom | Paleo: But I don't know how to solve it... |
| 18:48.01 | devurandom | Paleo: Could you tell if you find out? |
| 18:48.12 | devurandom | s/tell/tell me/ |
| 18:48.28 | Paleo | sure |
| 18:48.50 | veton | Waow! : http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/875 -> and you will be able to easily read the cvs-digest on saturday morning! |
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| 18:49.42 | _poison | CapNemo: what cpu ? |
| 18:49.51 | CapNemo | _poison: p4 2.8 |
| 18:50.00 | _poison | hmm ... |
| 18:50.45 | _poison | CapNemo: maybe some codec that can't be handled in konqi =/ |
| 18:51.47 | CapNemo | _poison: in fact, it begins to create thumbnails for 2 files .. and then stop like a file was not correct for it .. perhaps it's that |
| 18:52.57 | SteamedPenguin | nice |
| 18:53.01 | SteamedPenguin | autoscroll rocks |
| 18:55.35 | aseigo | veton: we've had autoscroll for ever =) |
| 18:55.49 | aseigo | veton: control + up/down arrow |
| 18:56.41 | CapNemo | is there a way to launch konqueror with lots of verbose messages ? |
| 18:56.55 | aseigo | er, shift.. bleh. not control. |
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| 18:57.18 | veton | aseigo: I just discover it! It so cool ! |
| 18:57.21 | illissius- | aseigo: didya get my last email? |
| 18:57.24 | aseigo | CapNemo: turn off video perviews. |
| 18:57.31 | aseigo | illissius-: about what? |
| 18:57.42 | CapNemo | aseigo: ?? |
| 18:57.45 | illissius- | aseigo: the usual :) kicker handle thingies |
| 18:58.16 | aseigo | illissius-: oh.. right.. i haven't had a chance to look at them. let me apply the patch... |
| 18:58.30 | aseigo | CapNemo: if you turn off previews for video it won't hand on videos. |
| 18:58.35 | aseigo | er, hang on |
| 18:58.38 | illissius- | aseigo: it doesn't apply very well atm I don't think |
| 18:58.43 | illissius- | not to cvs at any rate |
| 18:58.51 | illissius- | it did 2-3 days ago... heh |
| 18:59.10 | aseigo | CapNemo: View menu -> Previews -> Video Files |
| 18:59.26 | CapNemo | aseigo: yup i wont be able to trace why some videos have not thumbnails ! |
| 18:59.44 | CapNemo | +but |
| 19:00.16 | illissius- | i'll update it if you like |
| 19:00.51 | aseigo | illissius-: oh. heh. sure... |
| 19:00.56 | aseigo | btw, i see the problem in drawButton... |
| 19:01.18 | aseigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.30 | aseigo | at least, iirc, that's an issue. |
| 19:01.55 | aseigo | hrm. or maybe not.. because it should get call to repaint when orientation changes =/ |
| 19:01.56 | Paleo | is there a tool that use XMLTV listing to create nice TV Guide ? |
| 19:03.14 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: do you think it is possible to have a kicker panel that you can make say normal size, but sub-divide into two 'tiny' panels? |
| 19:04.12 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: sub divide? |
| 19:04.22 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: so you have two rows of applets? or ... |
| 19:04.27 | SteamedPenguin | yeah |
| 19:04.35 | illissius- | hm. |
| 19:05.02 | illissius- | is it possible that a patch fails simply when running 'patch' yet looks perfectly fine in kompare? |
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| 19:05.13 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: it's possible, but not going to happen for kde3. i'm not even sure i want it to happen in 4 either =) |
| 19:05.15 | illissius- | (apparently it is) |
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| 19:05.19 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: we'll see, though |
| 19:05.22 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: heh. |
| 19:05.36 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: fair enough |
| 19:05.47 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: what would be the benefit of it over, say, two stacked, small panels? |
| 19:06.32 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: well then the logical step is to have 'container' applets in the panel |
| 19:06.49 | SteamedPenguin | so you could have 'normal' sized icons on one side |
| 19:07.04 | aseigo | illissius-: define "fails" |
| 19:07.12 | SteamedPenguin | but have two stacked applets on the other like 'clock' and 'kpanel' |
| 19:07.41 | aseigo | erg.. that would be hard to make look nice |
| 19:07.45 | aseigo | it would work if nothing moved |
| 19:08.01 | SteamedPenguin | hmm |
| 19:08.04 | illissius- | aseigo: n-1 hunks fail |
| 19:08.44 | aseigo | but the moment something shifted in size it would look pretty harsh... i'll end up playing with these concepts during the KDE 4 "kicker stops being an inert grey rectangle" developments |
| 19:08.57 | aseigo | illissius-: the target file has probably just changed significantly |
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| 19:09.29 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: why would it look harsh? |
| 19:09.38 | Mathman | hi there. anyone happen to know the difference between "focus follows mouse", and "focus under mouse"? They seem to be the exact same as far as I can tell. |
| 19:10.30 | _poison | hmmm .... kcmshell --list|grep kmilo -> nothing =( |
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| 19:10.50 | _poison | is kmilo configurable ? |
| 19:10.56 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: i'm just imagining uneven edges... unless vertical stacks where kept left aligned and all items in it the width of the widest item.. consider: |
| 19:11.08 | aseigo | [ ] [ ] |
| 19:11.36 | aseigo | | | [ ] |
| 19:11.44 | aseigo | | |[ ] |
| 19:11.51 | aseigo | er, that sucked. anyways |
| 19:12.02 | marcus000000001 | hehe |
| 19:12.05 | lauri | Mathman: one's a bit stricter |
| 19:12.12 | aseigo | the concept i was going for is two stacks side by side where stack 1 had 2 items, stack 2 has three |
| 19:12.15 | marcus000000001 | weel thanks for your help earlier |
| 19:12.17 | marcus000000001 | ++ |
| 19:12.21 | lauri | in fact, there is documentation about the difference (in both a what's this and in the user manual) |
| 19:12.54 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: I think I get what you are saying |
| 19:13.05 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: so either the stacking is constrained quite a bit ... or panels quickly get messing looking. and one of my goals with kicker is to make it look unugly and keep management of it fairly low |
| 19:13.18 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: that makes sense |
| 19:13.33 | aseigo | e.g. the new "automatically create a menubar when macos style menus are selected" functionality |
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| 19:13.39 | lauri | Mathman: basically, focus follows mouse, newly created windows will (depending on your focus stealing configuration) be able to take focus without you haveing to point at them) |
| 19:13.43 | SteamedPenguin | the panel subdividing would probably be a fairly esoteric feature |
| 19:13.47 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: but yeah... i'll get to playing with these things in a few months =) |
| 19:13.58 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: speaking of that |
| 19:14.01 | lauri | Mathman: focus strictly under mouse is just that -only the thing directly under the mouse can possibly get focus |
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| 19:14.06 | Mathman | lauri: ah, thanks. |
| 19:14.08 | Mathis | hello |
| 19:14.30 | lauri | otherwise pretty much the same (I like focus under mouse and no auto-raise myself) |
| 19:14.37 | SteamedPenguin | when you automatically create a menubar with OSX styles it creates a panel that you can't configure + you can't remove the hiding widget |
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| 19:15.30 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: i'd suggest you cvs up in that case |
| 19:15.36 | gourdin | hi there |
| 19:15.37 | Tzuqris | I've got a question about using kdesktop with icewm |
| 19:15.42 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: sweetness. :) |
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| 19:15.58 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: I'll wait for RC1 then. |
| 19:16.00 | Tzuqris | when i start it up it stacks all the kdesktop icons on top of eachother |
| 19:16.02 | gourdin | is there a date for the release of the 3.4 ? |
| 19:16.04 | PieD | hey, first crash of kompmgr ! |
| 19:16.05 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: the hide arrow was a regression, it's been fixed. and no, you can't change the size/position of it. you can add stuff to it |
| 19:16.08 | PieD | increadible |
| 19:16.20 | PieD | 10 hours without any crash |
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| 19:16.31 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: but the whole idea of an external menubar makes no sense unless its at the top of the screen, really =) |
| 19:16.36 | PieD | but X crashed totally |
| 19:16.49 | Mathis | I have KDE 3.3.0 and X.org 6.8.1, 2 displays (19" and 18" display, each 1280x1024 resolution) attached to it, why is the font on one screen smaller than on the other? |
| 19:16.51 | Tzuqris | i don't know if i did this right but what i did is just made a xinitrc to start kdesktop and then icewm |
| 19:17.05 | Tzuqris | anybody have a solution perhaps? |
| 19:17.42 | sarah03 | Mathis: That's because the DPI between the displays aren't the same. |
| 19:17.50 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: do you think KDE 4 might see kicker with text going sideways? |
| 19:17.52 | Mathis | sarah03: jf |
| 19:18.08 | sarah03 | If you're running with Xinerama, you'll have to tweak the resolution of one or the other to equalize it. |
| 19:18.13 | Mathis | sarah03: if I open NEdit on both screens, they have nearly the same font size |
| 19:18.15 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: like the side panels in kdevelop/quanta+ ? |
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| 19:18.27 | Mathis | I dont have Xinerama enabled |
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| 19:18.43 | Mathis | other fonts are much smaller on the 18" display |
| 19:18.51 | sarah03 | Does X know what the display size is? |
| 19:18.53 | Beineri | gourdin: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.4-release-plan.html |
| 19:18.57 | Mathis | no |
| 19:19.09 | Julianyus | hi |
| 19:19.23 | lauri | yo aseigo |
| 19:19.27 | Mathis | it really looks like a KDE problem, since only KDE apps are affected |
| 19:19.34 | gourdin | Beineri: of course... ;) thx |
| 19:19.47 | sarah03 | That's because KDE uses fonts specified in point sizes. |
| 19:19.54 | aseigo | lauri: yo yo |
| 19:20.06 | lauri | you busy on the the 12-15th of may? |
| 19:20.12 | aseigo | me? |
| 19:20.15 | lauri | yeah |
| 19:20.20 | lauri | bsdcan |
| 19:20.26 | aseigo | no, i'm not busy yet. |
| 19:20.27 | lauri | and gnomes will be giving a talk |
| 19:20.31 | Mathis | is it possible to set a different point size for my 18" display? |
| 19:20.32 | aseigo | oh cool. where is that being held? |
| 19:20.36 | gourdin | omg, I got to wait march before using it, I really need to compile the cvs version... |
| 19:20.39 | Mathis | or do I have to correct it per DPI setting? |
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| 19:20.42 | sarah03 | And a 12pt font should be the same display size [1/6"] regardless of monitor resolution. |
| 19:20.46 | lauri | aseigo: ottawa |
| 19:20.53 | Mathis | its not |
| 19:20.57 | sarah03 | Correct the DPI setting, and the fonts will correct themselves. |
| 19:20.59 | lauri | aseigo: http://www.bsdcan.org/2005/ |
| 19:21.05 | lauri | I told Dan you always have plenty to say |
| 19:21.11 | aseigo | hahahaa |
| 19:21.12 | aseigo | i do? |
| 19:21.18 | Mathis | is there a way to calculate the new DPI setting? |
| 19:21.28 | sarah03 | Tell X what your display size is. |
| 19:21.34 | Mathis | how? |
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| 19:21.49 | lauri | aseigo: do we have anyone up there? bsd folks are easy, there will be much beer, anyone can pretty much go talk about anything :) |
| 19:21.56 | Mathis | my 19" display isnt listed |
| 19:21.56 | sarah03 | In xorg.conf, add a "DisplaySize [hsize] [vsize]" in each Monitor section. |
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| 19:21.59 | aseigo | lauri: let me see what i can arrange ... would be fun, and would give me an excuse to visit the east coast hackers |
| 19:22.03 | Stuttergart | Is there something like MS Project or GNOME planner for KDE? |
| 19:22.13 | sarah03 | Where hsize and vsize are specified in mm. If you have to, pull out a ruler and measure it. |
| 19:22.28 | Mathis | panel size? |
| 19:22.30 | aseigo | lauri: george is in toronto. choiumat is in ottawa. ian and zack are in philli. |
| 19:22.30 | delmonico | is there a way to customize the display of encrypted messages in kopete? this "{Incoming,Outgoing} encrypted message:" wastes so much space :( |
| 19:23.12 | Mathis | well, thank you, sarah03 |
| 19:23.19 | lauri | aseigo: george can't do it |
| 19:23.26 | lauri | he's apparently the only person who replied |
| 19:23.45 | aseigo | when do they need to know by? |
| 19:24.10 | sarah03 | Mathis: :) |
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| 19:24.15 | lauri | heh, pop over to #kde-freebsd and talk to Dan Langille :) |
| 19:24.20 | lauri | this is probably much easier |
| 19:24.34 | aseigo | lauri: aw. it's more fun bugging you ;) |
| 19:24.56 | ArtyObs | how do i make kmail able to re-read a crypted sent-mail after it has been sent? |
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| 19:28.56 | lippel | Stuttergart: there is "kplato" (check www.koffice.org), but i don't know in which state it is. |
| 19:28.56 | Stuttergart | thans |
| 19:28.56 | Stuttergart | thanks |
| 19:28.56 | lippel | Stuttergart: "It is in the very early stages of development." |
| 19:28.57 | aseigo | kplato is very much a work in progress, but fortunately someone stepped up in the last few months |
| 19:28.57 | aseigo | it was pretty much alpha-quality abondonware until that happened =) |
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| 19:28.57 | dreamlogi | Can anyone recommend a good HTML editor for KDE? |
| 19:28.57 | SteamedPenguin | dreamlogi: can we? |
| 19:28.57 | SteamedPenguin | dreamlogi: of course |
| 19:28.57 | dreamlogi | :) |
| 19:28.58 | SteamedPenguin | Quanta Plus |
| 19:29.13 | dreamlogi | SteamedPenguin: Thanks I`ll check it out. :) |
| 19:29.14 | SteamedPenguin | dreamlogi: I do all my work in it. |
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| 19:29.32 | Theory | is there a summary anywhere of the differences between imap and disconnected-imap in kmail? |
| 19:29.38 | Phoebus | Does kde have a sound control applet? |
| 19:30.02 | Stuttergart | And also this: |
| 19:30.03 | Stuttergart | http://www.taskjuggler.org/ide.php |
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| 19:31.19 | aseigo | yeah, taskjuggler rocks. but the gui part of it is just a viewer still |
| 19:31.24 | Stuttergart | ic |
| 19:31.30 | aseigo | if you don't mind messing around with xml, it's amazing |
| 19:31.38 | sushimako | where to file feature requests/suggestions? |
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| 19:31.50 | aseigo | sushimako: bugs.kde.org |
| 19:31.55 | aseigo | Phoebus: yes |
| 19:32.06 | Phoebus | aseigo how do I enable it..? |
| 19:32.12 | sushimako | aseigo, thank you |
| 19:32.12 | aseigo | Theory: i imagine you've looked in the docs? |
| 19:32.45 | sushimako | do u guys think, ipod:// would be nice? |
| 19:32.49 | SteamedPenguin | anybody here using HAL and DBUS with KDE 3.4 betas and udev? |
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| 19:33.06 | aseigo | Phoebus: right click on the panel, Add -> Applet -> Sound Mixer |
| 19:33.25 | Theory | aseigo: I've looked through the handbook |
| 19:33.39 | lauri | aseigo: you know how kicker can be set to pop up only if the mouse is in a specific part of the screen |
| 19:33.40 | aseigo | sushimako: yes, would be cool. i think there are already such things on apps.kde.org though .. |
| 19:33.55 | lauri | would it be impossible to make it not show even there, with say, a modifier key? |
| 19:34.07 | sushimako | aseigo, actually i consider it a killer feature :) |
| 19:34.08 | aseigo | sushimako: and if that's what you wanted to report to bugs.kde.org, note that wishlist items of the "can you please code an entirely new app" are generally not particularly helpful =) |
| 19:34.19 | Phoebus | aseigo and what do I do if its not on that list? :/ |
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| 19:34.39 | sushimako | aseigo, of course, thanks for the info! |
| 19:35.22 | illissius_ | aseigo: ok, patch is teh works now. dcc or email? |
| 19:35.37 | aseigo | Phoebus: install it =) it comes with kmix, which is part of the kdemultimedia package |
| 19:35.44 | aseigo | illissius_: email please. |
| 19:35.52 | Phoebus | yum install kmix will do I hope.. |
| 19:36.20 | Phoebus | I have kde.redhat in my repo's. |
| 19:36.56 | aseigo | lauri: you mean the unhide trigger location feature of the "allow other windows to cover panel" hiding mechanism? |
| 19:37.19 | lauri | right |
| 19:37.28 | aseigo | lauri: if so... um... should be. would have to make it grab the global keyboard state... |
| 19:37.30 | lauri | but trying to spit that out confused myself even |
| 19:37.48 | aseigo | lol |
| 19:37.49 | lauri | alternately, a way to send to back once it's up, without having to move the mouse |
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| 19:38.05 | lauri | thinking, kicker at top, small laptop screen, going for a menu and going a bit high |
| 19:38.06 | sushimako | aseigo, well, u were right. http://tinyurl.com/4cnk2 |
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| 19:38.29 | sarah03 | Hmm. I love Kate's syntax highlighter sometimes. In PHP, a string whose first character is '_' causes it to go all to hell. |
| 19:38.38 | lauri | a shift click on the panel to send it back or something, would be nice, if a modifier key pre-show-trigger-thingy-whatsit is too hard |
| 19:38.58 | rich_B | noobish question-is there any advantage using the QT containers over the STL ones? |
| 19:39.13 | lauri | yes, STL is teh evil |
| 19:39.15 | aseigo | ok. we want to have a "don't really unhide" modifier, or a "send to back" action or both or? |
| 19:39.32 | dvl | "don't really unhide" is what I was thinking of. |
| 19:39.33 | lauri | aseigo: I dunno, dvl is hte one who wants it (I would use a send to back more, but it was his wishlist :) |
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| 19:39.56 | rich_B | lauri: I kind of like it >< hehe |
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| 19:40.06 | aseigo | rich_B: portability used to be more of an issue... not as bad anymore, but still crops up now again. mostly i find them to be more useful and better documented =) |
| 19:40.08 | lauri | rich_B: I was just saying that first, before anyone else did :) |
| 19:40.10 | dvl | send to back is interesting too. because that would be useful if you forgot to invoke the "don't really unhide" action. |
| 19:40.26 | aseigo | rich_B: and in qt4 they have nicer iterators... like foreach() {} and java-style iterators. |
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| 19:40.50 | lauri | dvl: well, I was thinking it's easier than remembering to press a modifier before shoving the mouse flying up to the top (bottom, side, whatever) |
| 19:40.57 | rich_B | aseigo: neat-I will convert then, will be usefull learning if nothing else |
| 19:41.18 | impact_ | Anyone here have experience with multiple monitors (dual screens?) |
| 19:41.18 | dvl | lauri: I agree. Holding down the shift key while moving the mouse up [in my case] would be simple for me. |
| 19:41.22 | lauri | and it's not like you get the panel showing itself every time, sometimes you actually get the bit of window you were aiming for |
| 19:41.44 | sarah03 | impact_: What about? |
| 19:41.45 | lauri | aseigo: I think we'd like both |
| 19:41.49 | dvl | lauri: with me, more often than not, I get the panel, not the window I want. ;) |
| 19:41.49 | lauri | with a cherry on top |
| 19:42.10 | dvl | lauri: imagine remote desktop, with that little insert that appears... |
| 19:42.20 | aseigo | impact_: some, yes |
| 19:42.26 | lauri | I'm the opposite, I mostly get what i want, but it's annoying if I do get the panel to have to move the mouse to get my window back when it's covering the window decoratoin I'm trying to click |
| 19:42.39 | impact_ | sarah03, I have two screens running right now. But unfortunately, either I have to run xinerama, and deal with it stretching everything over both screens, or no-xine and have it not let me open multiple instances of programs in two monitors |
| 19:42.44 | lauri | dvl: heh, oh yeah, that one in particular is annoying |
| 19:42.53 | aseigo | dvl / lauri: can one of you file a wishlist item on b.k.o so i don't forget? thanks. |
| 19:43.08 | sarah03 | impact_: As in, when you maximize something, etc, it stretches across both displays? |
| 19:43.11 | impact_ | sarah03, in the 2nd case, I cant open a firefox window in each screen, once a program is started in one screen, all instances start in the ssame screen... (if that makes sense) |
| 19:43.12 | dvl | aseigo: I'll do it if someone gives me a URL. |
| 19:43.14 | lauri | can I file that as one, or you want 'em separate? |
| 19:43.17 | impact_ | sarah03, thats with Xinerama, yes |
| 19:43.20 | lauri | dvl: bugs.kde.org (b.k.o :) |
| 19:43.26 | dvl | lauri: going. |
| 19:43.30 | sarah03 | If that's the case, then Qt doesn't know anything about Xinerama. |
| 19:43.42 | impact_ | hmmm |
| 19:43.55 | dvl | lauri: what if I file my original then you append to it? |
| 19:44.08 | lauri | I have dual head, non-xinerama and can (and do) happily open windows on either and both desktop all the time |
| 19:44.11 | lauri | dvl: sure |
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| 19:44.18 | impact_ | lemme recompile QT real quick... |
| 19:44.27 | impact_ | lauri, can you drag between screens? |
| 19:44.36 | sarah03 | I don't run without Xinerama [bugs the hell out of me that I can't drag a window from one screen to the other.] |
| 19:44.39 | aseigo | dvl: bugs.kde.org |
| 19:44.39 | lauri | no, but that's a known problem |
| 19:44.47 | aseigo | lauri: together is fine |
| 19:44.47 | lauri | I can drag icons, not wndows |
| 19:45.02 | impact_ | the other problem is, one screen only goes up to 1024x768 (bad graphics card), and the other at 1280x768 |
| 19:45.13 | impact_ | so stretched suckss, because I lose a good chunk of my screen |
| 19:45.28 | dvl | interesting... the password provided by b.k.o has trailing spaces. Makes double-click copy paste harder. |
| 19:45.42 | impact_ | I'm recompiling qt real quick to see if anything changes |
| 19:45.49 | lauri | with the -xinerama option? |
| 19:45.57 | impact_ | yeah |
| 19:46.04 | impact_ | I thought I did already, but apparently I didn't =P |
| 19:46.17 | gnumdk | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91357 , if you have this bug, please vote, it make konqueror totally unusable and it affect kde 3.3 and kde 3.4 :( |
| 19:46.29 | sarah03 | impact_: I've got 1152x864 running on one head and 1280x960 on the other; rebuilding Qt with -xinerama made it work for the most part; the next time I rebuilt KDE it all worked just fine. |
| 19:46.45 | dvl | lauri: what product is this? |
| 19:46.48 | impact_ | sarah03, thats what I wanted to hear =P |
| 19:47.01 | PieD | If I say you Opacity slider in kwin 3.4 |
| 19:47.06 | impact_ | sarah03, didn't think of recomp. qt.... |
| 19:47.08 | PieD | do you understand what I mean ? |
| 19:47.26 | lauri | dvl: kicker, I guess (just a sec) |
| 19:47.32 | PieD | (It is for a bug report) |
| 19:48.18 | lauri | yup, kicker |
| 19:48.19 | sarah03 | impact_: The only issue I've had is with CVS HEAD [I ran both displays at 1152x864 for the longest time, but then tweaked the resolution on one so I could have a consistent DPI & font size on both], and that's that on the smaller display, you don't want to stick a kicker at either the top or bottom of the display. |
| 19:50.40 | impact_ | sarah03, Never heard of CVS head =P |
| 19:51.01 | Lunar_ | Question: Has anyone here been able to get KDE to work with a Matrox G400 DualHead and 2 monitors? *Assuming this is a proper question for this room. |
| 19:51.15 | sarah03 | impact_: That's the current development tree. |
| 19:51.32 | illogic-al | why has someone using aol established a connection to my computer...? |
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| 19:53.12 | illissius_ | illogic-al: congratulations. you are now an isp ;p |
| 19:53.16 | impact_ | lol |
| 19:53.17 | illissius_ | unfortunately, you are aol. |
| 19:53.58 | ponto | Is it possible to save or print a whole Thread at once with knode? |
| 19:54.15 | aseigo | Lunar_: certainly. configure X properly and it works nicely AFAIK |
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| 19:55.53 | Lunar_ | aseigo: I've gotten it to load and in Yast hardware configured the card and monitors, but upon restart xconfig is messed up and KDE will not load. |
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| 19:55.59 | illogic-al | ah |
| 19:56.02 | illogic-al | it was aim |
| 19:56.14 | illogic-al | killing koete took care of that |
| 19:56.15 | lanius | why does kde use "helvetica", "times"... as default fonts and not general fonts like "sans" or "serif" or "monospace" |
| 19:56.18 | Lunar_ | aseigo: would it be possible to get a copy of your xconfig? |
| 19:56.35 | dvl | lauri: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99638 |
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| 19:57.27 | illissius_ | lanius: possibly because those don't have international characters... though I don't know whether helvetica does either |
| 19:57.54 | illogic-al | lanius: good question. |
| 19:58.15 | lanius | well, it would be the distributions/user choice then, gnome and xfce4 use sans... and work fine here |
| 19:58.33 | lanius | using this general names would eliminate all those "my kde looks not antialiased" bugs |
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| 19:59.04 | illogic-al | illissius_: those are font types and not actual fonts so that would not be a problem |
| 19:59.10 | aseigo | lauri: do you have the ability to rotate the screen on one of your monitors, btw? |
| 19:59.29 | aseigo | lauri: e.g Option "rotate" "ccw" in your xconfig? |
| 19:59.32 | illogic-al | it would be up to the user/distro to then provide those types of fonts. |
| 19:59.51 | lanius | right, i think that would be much better |
| 19:59.52 | aseigo | Lunar_: i'm on a single head machine atm. and my config at the office is for nvidia atm. |
| 19:59.54 | illogic-al | oh. lanius said that already :-) |
| 20:00.03 | aseigo | Lunar_: google would probably be a better friend to you than me |
| 20:00.19 | aseigo | lauri: and if so... i need to test http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65944 =P |
| 20:00.32 | lanius | i opened a bug, maybe somebody can pay it a bit of attention ;) http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98392 |
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| 20:00.56 | lauri | aseigo: I've never tried heh |
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| 20:01.06 | EtherNet | how do I do for binding Alt + F2, for opening "run a program" application ? |
| 20:01.18 | PieD | will there be a special event for the bug number 100000 ? |
| 20:01.31 | lauri | aseigo: I will, as soon as the big upgrade I forgot to run in screen is done |
| 20:01.35 | aseigo | PieD: balloons, streamers and a BRAND NEW CAR! |
| 20:01.42 | PieD | yes ! |
| 20:01.43 | illogic-al | lanius: you've got my vote :-) |
| 20:01.48 | PieD | Going to do that report :) |
| 20:01.53 | aseigo | lauri: awesome. i love you. |
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| 20:02.02 | Lunar_ | Thank You. |
| 20:02.12 | CapNemo | how long does it take to launch the sound server in kde3.4b2 ?? |
| 20:02.19 | lauri | 'sec, while I get matt in here, so you can say that again and make him jealous? |
| 20:02.38 | lauri | CapNemo: a second, two maybe |
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| 20:03.05 | hellz_hunter | hi |
| 20:03.15 | CapNemo | lauri: ... it never end here the progress bar goes on and on |
| 20:03.30 | PhilRod | EtherNet: |
| 20:03.43 | lauri | CapNemo: start it in a konsole, see if you get any error messages |
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| 20:03.47 | PhilRod | erm, EtherNet: control center->regional & a11y -> keyboard shortcuts |
| 20:03.59 | EtherNet | PhilRod, thanks, and how is the name of the "run" application? kderun ? |
| 20:03.59 | CapNemo | lauri: good idea ^^ |
| 20:04.08 | lauri | do ps axwww | grep artsd, get the whole command line, kill any running artsd's, and run that commandline |
| 20:04.24 | ArtyObs | how do i make kmail save a cleartext copy in sent-mail of a crypted mail i send? |
| 20:04.27 | hellz_hunter | im using gentoo (cant get an answer out of them) and i upgraded my kde package to 3.3.2, all was well, but my opengl screensavers wouldnt work, thats ok so i emerged my nvidia-glx package and i re emerged kdeartwork, but now i only have a few screensavers (i didnt have xscreensaver before or after i lost the opengl ssavers) and now i dont know how to get those back |
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| 20:05.16 | EtherNet | PhilRod, done! |
| 20:05.18 | EtherNet | PhilRod, thank you man |
| 20:05.31 | PhilRod | EtherNet: it's part of kdesktop or kwin, so it doesn't have its own appname, but it'll be in that list |
| 20:05.36 | PhilRod | oh, you found it :-) |
| 20:05.38 | PhilRod | yw |
| 20:05.40 | lauri | unfortunately, I haven't a clue how to fix the problem heliz_hunter |
| 20:05.44 | ArtyObs | many linux dist support crews are overwhelmed with support mails |
| 20:05.49 | sarah03 | Hrm. '"_' in Kate's PHP syntax highlighter causes it to not recognize a string. [The '_' can appear anywhere else. Just not immediately following an open quote.] |
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| 20:06.58 | sredna | hellz_hunter: It's possible that there is useflags that needs to be set. Try 'equery uses kdeartwork' |
| 20:07.37 | sredna | hellz_hunter: It's possible that useflags set for qt and kdelibs affects it too |
| 20:08.05 | hellz_hunter | sredna: well it is weird cause they were there until i re emerged kdeartwork |
| 20:08.10 | hellz_hunter | then i have like the most basic ones |
| 20:08.15 | hellz_hunter | and like one opengl screensaver (space) |
| 20:08.16 | ArtyObs | when i get a crypted email, kmail says Error: Bad passphrase and Encrypted data not shown. how do i make kmail ask me for my passphrase? |
| 20:08.20 | lauri | if this is with the split up ebuilds |
| 20:08.33 | lauri | is the opengl screensavers now separate perhaps? |
| 20:08.46 | sredna | sarah03: That is fixed, you must be using a somewhat old cvs version |
| 20:09.05 | sarah03 | sredna: Last month's, actually. I'm building yesterday's CVS right now. |
| 20:09.06 | hellz_hunter | lauri: i dont think so, i didnt think i installed anything else other than 'kde' which it was fine with |
| 20:09.23 | sredna | sarah03: Be back if it doesn't go away then |
| 20:09.26 | hellz_hunter | but unfortunely emerging kdeartwork again caused me to lose most of them |
| 20:09.38 | lauri | hellz_hunter: and gl is actually working (ie, glxgears runs) |
| 20:09.49 | hellz_hunter | yea glxgears works as with glxinfo |
| 20:10.01 | lauri | I'm out of ideas again :( |
| 20:10.05 | hellz_hunter | heh |
| 20:10.10 | hellz_hunter | thx n e ways |
| 20:10.13 | sredna | hellz_hunter: Look at the use flags anyway, they could have changed them |
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| 20:10.25 | hellz_hunter | they shouldnt have changed without me knowing |
| 20:10.27 | sarah03 | sredna: *shrug* I fixed it in my current version by moving the rules to detect a string up above everything else. |
| 20:10.38 | hellz_hunter | im thinking it might have to do with me running kde while emerging kdeartwork |
| 20:10.56 | sredna | sarah03: Yes, just above the detectidentifiers rule |
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| 20:11.28 | sredna | sarah03: But the code for that has been fixed in cvs, just so that you know. |
| 20:11.40 | sarah03 | *nods* |
| 20:11.48 | sredna | I think I moved the rules initially too, which led me to fix the code |
| 20:11.59 | sarah03 | Well, yet another reason for me to finally upgrade [which is what I'm doing, slowly.] |
| 20:12.05 | sredna | Yea :) |
| 20:12.32 | sarah03 | distcc does seem to be making things progress a bit faster. |
| 20:13.35 | sredna | He, I want a compile farm for christmas or birthday |
| 20:13.50 | sarah03 | *shrug* The other box needs a bit more memory in it. |
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| 20:14.11 | sarah03 | I'm sending roughly half of the KDE compile to the other system, which is a dual celeron 500 with 128M of memory. |
| 20:14.13 | CapNemo | lauri: in fact i have the message : unable to connect to sound server in the .xsession-errors ! |
| 20:14.26 | sarah03 | I've exploded it twice on out-of-memory. |
| 20:14.29 | CapNemo | the arts demon is launched but nobody can access to it |
| 20:14.42 | PhilRod | apt: artstr |
| 20:14.43 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, artstr is http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=aRts+Troubleshooting |
| 20:14.47 | PhilRod | CapNemo: take a look there ^^^ |
| 20:15.06 | CapNemo | PhilRod: good idea |
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| 20:19.06 | CapNemo | PhilRod: all i can see is "cannot connect to the sound server" even launch manually |
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| 20:20.01 | Cerulean | %remember artstrouble http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=aRts+Troubleshooting |
| 20:20.01 | Pyre | Cerulean: Sure |
| 20:20.21 | carsten | does anyone in here know how to download yzis with svn? the homepage where the data is to be found is down |
| 20:20.30 | illogic-al | PhilRod: yo. sup? |
| 20:21.11 | illogic-al | carsten: Dhraakellian was going off about it a while back. maybe he knows. |
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| 20:21.35 | hellz_hunter | sredna: had a better idea, install really slick screensavers package and i got my euphoric SS along with other goodies thanks for the help, all |
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| 20:22.02 | devurandom | Is it possible to add functions to the list of functions qt executes periodically? (I am currently calling functions in a while(true) loop, but that blocks the gui.) |
| 20:22.14 | PhilRod | hey illogic-al - not a lot. I was going to do some work, but then I opened xchat... |
| 20:22.21 | Cerulean | devurandom: QTimer? |
| 20:22.25 | illogic-al | lol |
| 20:22.31 | illogic-al | me too. |
| 20:22.38 | Cerulean | devurandom: #kde-devel ;) |
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| 20:23.14 | illogic-al | i came here from the library after finishing one lab report, meaning to start the other and "accidentally" click on my konvi icon |
| 20:24.50 | CapNemo | does arts communicate with clients thru a port ?? |
| 20:25.46 | PhilRod | illogic-al: lab reports - just what I was going to do. What subject do you study? |
| 20:25.59 | illogic-al | biochem. |
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| 20:26.43 | impact_ | Alrighty, recompiled QT with xinerama support, and put Option Xinerama in my xorg.conf |
| 20:26.50 | PhilRod | hrm, now I've been told that biology experiments are interesting, but chemistry ones dull, so I suppose biochem sits somewhere in between :-) |
| 20:27.04 | impact_ | And the maximizing thing is all better... (maximizes to the desktop its in) |
| 20:27.12 | illogic-al | i find it exactly the opposite. |
| 20:27.25 | illogic-al | i love chem and biology sucks ass. sooooooo boring. |
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| 20:27.59 | impact_ | Problem is, my background tries to slide across both screens, is there a way using xinerama and KDE to have each have their own background (and possibly their own panel?) |
| 20:28.07 | PhilRod | illogic-al: chacun à son goût, I suppose :-) |
| 20:28.11 | illogic-al | anything that can potential kill you while working with it gets to be exciting in my book :-) |
| 20:28.14 | PhilRod | salut annma :-) |
| 20:28.22 | PhilRod | lol illogic-al |
| 20:28.26 | annma | hi! |
| 20:28.33 | illogic-al | we don't get a lot of that over in the bio dep't (scaredy cats :-) |
| 20:28.40 | illogic-al | hey annma |
| 20:28.46 | annma | :) |
| 20:29.13 | illogic-al | impact_: yes! there is a way. |
| 20:29.21 | illogic-al | no i don't know how to do it... |
| 20:29.25 | impact_ | illogic-al, thats very good to hear... thats not... |
| 20:29.26 | impact_ | lol |
| 20:29.32 | impact_ | any idea on what to look for? |
| 20:29.33 | illogic-al | lol |
| 20:29.39 | CapNemo | PhilRod: execpt your tips about arts do you know docs about arts ? |
| 20:29.58 | illogic-al | impact_: xinemera vs. dual head? |
| 20:30.06 | illogic-al | mayhaps. |
| 20:30.38 | impact_ | Yeah, I had dual-head just a minute ago.. |
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| 20:31.14 | impact_ | Problem is that I cant drag across screens without Xinerama, and can't get firefox to open one window in each screen without xinerama |
| 20:31.31 | impact_ | But with xinerama, the one desktop wants to eat both screens... Need a median =P |
| 20:31.39 | PhilRod | CapNemo: you could look at arts-project.org |
| 20:31.45 | PhilRod | I think that's what it is |
| 20:31.49 | PhilRod | something like that |
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| 20:38.59 | froggero1 | what happened to the multiple monitor thing in the control center (kde) under peripherals? |
| 20:39.04 | impact_ | Anyone know of any way to use Xinerama to accomplish Dual-head? |
| 20:39.16 | Flendor | Hello illogic-al, annma, PhilRod |
| 20:39.29 | annma | hi Flendor :) |
| 20:39.44 | Flendor | Bon appetit :) |
| 20:39.49 | Flendor | How's it going? |
| 20:40.33 | illogic-al | coffee cake. or so the box says. |
| 20:40.35 | PhilRod | mmm, cheese |
| 20:40.39 | froggero1 | does anyone here run kde? |
| 20:40.46 | PhilRod | froggero1: no |
| 20:40.49 | illogic-al | nah. we hate it. |
| 20:40.50 | froggero1 | i see... |
| 20:40.54 | Shaikun | i run gnome |
| 20:40.54 | illogic-al | gnome for life. |
| 20:40.59 | froggero1 | anyone have dual monitors/ |
| 20:41.12 | froggero1 | gnomes are perfect size for drop kicking |
| 20:41.46 | Shaikun | i used to have dual monitors.. then i had to give one away =/ |
| 20:41.57 | froggero1 | how'd you go about setting that up? |
| 20:42.35 | Shaikun | first i plugged em both in, and then i messed with XF86Config =D |
| 20:42.53 | Flendor | Bon appetit a toi aussi, illogic-al. |
| 20:42.54 | froggero1 | kde picked it up automagically/ |
| 20:43.08 | illogic-al | Flendor: merci, mon ami. |
| 20:43.13 | Shaikun | by /, do you mean '?'? |
| 20:43.17 | froggero1 | usually |
| 20:43.27 | Flendor | Gotta go..have to shave, sleep, wake up early..*sigh* |
| 20:43.28 | Flendor | See you. |
| 20:43.29 | Shaikun | =) |
| 20:43.37 | illogic-al | adios :-) |
| 20:43.38 | anisX | bubye Flendor |
| 20:43.39 | Shaikun | no, i had to edit XF86Config manually |
| 20:43.40 | anisX | :) |
| 20:43.57 | impact_ | froggero1, run "X -configure" |
| 20:44.01 | impact_ | it shoudl pick them both up |
| 20:44.03 | impact_ | did for me.. |
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| 20:44.13 | Shaikun | where's the geek cred in that? ^^ |
| 20:44.14 | froggero1 | in init 3 or 5? |
| 20:44.22 | impact_ | but then its dual-head, if you want one giant monitor, you gotta use xinerama |
| 20:44.22 | impact_ | 3 |
| 20:44.37 | froggero1 | dual-head as in cloned? |
| 20:45.31 | froggero1 | wait a sec, I have two monitors in my xord.conf |
| 20:45.56 | impact_ | do you have two devices (graphics cards)? |
| 20:46.08 | froggero1 | one graphics card |
| 20:46.16 | froggero1 | ATI 8500DV all-in-wonder |
| 20:46.18 | impact_ | check this out: |
| 20:46.19 | impact_ | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors |
| 20:46.19 | froggero1 | tv-outs |
| 20:46.25 | impact_ | thats for gentoo, but it should help a lot |
| 20:46.29 | froggero1 | k |
| 20:47.42 | froggero1 | looks like I'll need to get this xinerama... |
| 20:49.42 | froggero1 | why doesn't Xorg just include xinerama? |
| 20:51.08 | impact_ | cause xorg offers two options |
| 20:51.15 | impact_ | Xinerama stretches one desktop over two monitors |
| 20:51.28 | impact_ | Generic Xorg just gives you two different desktops |
| 20:51.37 | froggero1 | hmm |
| 20:51.45 | froggero1 | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=22788 |
| 20:51.54 | froggero1 | where does xinerama keep thier files? |
| 20:52.10 | impact_ | no idea.. I use gentoo =P |
| 20:52.17 | froggero1 | yum sucks |
| 20:53.20 | ThisBullet | hi |
| 20:53.57 | sarah03 | froggero1: Xinerama support comes with XFree86 at least >= 4.3.0 [which includes Xorg.] |
| 20:54.00 | ThisBullet | can somone tell me EVERY dir where there is downloaded temp files/history, anything that has to do w/ internet. including firefox please. my dad needs to inspect everything |
| 20:54.18 | froggero1 | sarah03, sweeeeet |
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| 20:54.50 | froggero1 | ok, going to init 3 then, i'll be back in a few |
| 20:55.08 | bietch | hmm.. |
| 20:55.20 | bietch | how to resize the icon on the desktop ? can anyone help me with it ? |
| 20:55.47 | impact_ | sarah03, have any idea how to use Xinerama, and have it treat it like two separate desktops? |
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| 20:56.43 | MrGrim | hmm.. kio_imap4 really likes to block indefinately for no reason :/ |
| 20:56.48 | sarah03 | impact_: Xinerama's intent is to make multiple screens appear as one desktop, so what you're asking is mutually exclusive of running Xinerama. |
| 20:57.21 | MrGrim | impact_: just don't enable xinerama |
| 20:57.45 | sarah03 | If you don't enable Xinerama, you get X displays :n.0 .. :n.[nr displays - 1] |
| 20:57.49 | MrGrim | it's been a while since I configured a dual head setup, but you can have dual head w/ or w/o xinerama |
| 20:58.02 | MrGrim | and w/o is what you want I think |
| 20:58.16 | impact_ | MrGrim, But then the problem is: |
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| 20:58.37 | impact_ | MrGrim, If I open Firefox on screen0, I can't get any to open on screen1 |
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| 20:58.52 | sarah03 | impact_: Without Xinerama, you get 2 distinct desktops with one keyboard & mouse. With Xinerama, you get 1 big desktop. |
| 20:58.57 | impact_ | MrGrim, they all have to be on 0 (all instances of firefox) |
| 20:59.54 | [miles] | hi, can anyone tell me if there are any dvd reauthoring apps for kde? |
| 20:59.55 | MrGrim | hmm |
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| 21:00.37 | MrGrim | impact_: if I understand you correctly that might be a firefox bug/feature |
| 21:00.55 | froggero1 | X -configure gave me a boat load of errors |
| 21:02.41 | impact_ | MrGrim, I think it is with multiple programs.. |
| 21:02.58 | impact_ | MrGrim, running xinerama right now.. lemme switch out and check again |
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| 21:04.08 | ThisBullet | can somone tell me EVERY dir where there is downloaded temp files/history, anything that has to do w/ internet. including firefox please. my dad needs to inspect everything |
| 21:04.35 | froggero1 | ThisBullet, surfing the pr0n eh? |
| 21:04.37 | annma | inspect? |
| 21:04.45 | annma | how old are you??? |
| 21:05.08 | devurandom | bye |
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| 21:05.23 | ThisBullet | froggero1: yes :( |
| 21:05.30 | ThisBullet | if he finds that my mom would be horified |
| 21:05.32 | illogic-al | who dares me to speak in #idlerpg? |
| 21:05.35 | ThisBullet | please you gotta help |
| 21:05.35 | annma | how old are you??? |
| 21:05.38 | ThisBullet | 14 ! |
| 21:05.44 | annma | wwoooh |
| 21:05.49 | MrGrim | hahahahahahaha |
| 21:06.00 | annma | ,cough> |
| 21:06.26 | froggero1 | ThisBullet, `find / |grep firefox |more` |
| 21:06.30 | illissius | ThisBullet: do a search on .jpg or something |
| 21:06.45 | illogic-al | who's got the pr0n?! |
| 21:07.02 | illogic-al | oh. kiddie. tsk tsk. another programmer is born. |
| 21:07.04 | annma | ThisBullet: create a new user named 'innocent' |
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| 21:07.22 | impact_ | Well, it looks like it is a Firefox problem, cause other programs open fine in both windows.... |
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| 21:07.50 | impact_ | carge it! |
| 21:07.54 | impact_ | charge* |
| 21:08.13 | *** part/#kde _fernando (~fernando@pool-151-205-81-211.char.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:08.35 | impact_ | use stolen cards! |
| 21:08.46 | *** part/#kde Mathis (~Mathias@D9e83.d.pppool.de) |
| 21:08.55 | illogic-al | i don't steal, i use open source projects. |
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| 21:09.30 | impact_ | charge it to the gnome project =P |
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| 21:10.17 | illogic-al | i think i'll just place the mouse on the charger :) |
| 21:11.16 | impact_ | fair enough |
| 21:11.28 | ThisBullet | somone is :D |
| 21:11.39 | annma | not me |
| 21:11.45 | illogic-al | lol |
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| 21:12.53 | illogic-al | it has been my experience that the more you try to prevent someone from doing something the better the get at doing it. |
| 21:13.03 | illogic-al | bittorrent and file sharing anyone... |
| 21:14.10 | impact_ | indeed |
| 21:14.46 | MrGrim | illogic-al: and why won't ya help teh poor soul? :) |
| 21:15.39 | illogic-al | MrGrim: if he's old enough to go pornlunking he's old enough to deal with the consequences |
| 21:15.52 | MrGrim | hehe, about the same reason I won't :P |
| 21:15.53 | illogic-al | and yes, I have, yet again, created a new word. |
| 21:16.04 | SteamedPenguin | pornlurking? |
| 21:16.06 | SteamedPenguin | hah |
| 21:16.13 | MrGrim | pornlunking |
| 21:16.22 | illogic-al | aye |
| 21:17.05 | MrGrim | as in, how do you spell the word it's derived from |
| 21:17.09 | MrGrim | cave exploring word |
| 21:17.11 | MrGrim | :P |
| 21:17.49 | MrGrim | spelunking is it? |
| 21:18.07 | illogic-al | pornlunking, n. spelunking (sp?) for porn |
| 21:18.22 | illogic-al | MrGrim: you got it :-) |
| 21:18.24 | impact_ | lol |
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| 21:19.46 | illogic-al | exploring the deep, dark crevaces of the intarweb in search of teh pr0n |
| 21:20.15 | illogic-al | but i should get back to work... |
| 21:20.33 | infodroid | i been shopping for an mp3 player |
| 21:21.11 | illogic-al | eeeeeew |
| 21:21.17 | illogic-al | country music! |
| 21:21.43 | illogic-al | oh wait. nm. it changed. |
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| 21:24.55 | bietch | orville so excited today :p |
| 21:27.27 | illogic-al | bietch: how come |
| 21:27.28 | rich_B | hmm is QTIODevice similar to std:fstream? |
| 21:27.36 | rich_B | *QIODevice |
| 21:27.49 | Theory | can I manipulate the korganizer calendar through dcop? |
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| 21:28.00 | bietch | illogic-al: hmm..im just make-up the desktop.. ( bored with the current one ) |
| 21:28.07 | illogic-al | Theory: you can use kdcop to check |
| 21:28.20 | bietch | illogic-al: do u have any idea how to resize the icon on my desktop ? |
| 21:28.23 | Theory | illogic-al: I've looked and failed, but I might have missed it |
| 21:28.56 | illogic-al | bietch: kcontrol -> Appearance -> Icons -> second tab |
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| 21:29.18 | froggero1 | phef, that was good |
| 21:30.17 | froggero1 | anywho... here's what's going on now; when i goot into init 3, the monitors are mirrored (cloned), then when I go into init 5, the tv-out one turns black... ideas? |
| 21:30.27 | illogic-al | hah! that's hot. |
| 21:31.49 | froggero1 | no ideas then?/ |
| 21:32.04 | froggero1 | that means if I figure this out, I'm the smartest person alive... |
| 21:32.11 | froggero1 | do you really want that to be true? |
| 21:32.12 | bietch | illogic-al: yeah..thanks a lot |
| 21:32.14 | bietch | :) |
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| 21:34.15 | Iwantlove | http://members.msn.com/?mpp=4263~5AAeAAAAAC8HES9v6zP2R7c6PUoIFwvefOjKk*N8aBEj1CkYQ9elq2JA$$~5AAfAAAAAEjVDniB!gWfo!wBf8PaLSts8DAgn*pO!6LiU$&pps=k |
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| 21:34.26 | froggero1 | thanks spammy! |
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| 21:40.25 | b00zy | RE: KDE CVS... why won't my lines auto-indent to the previous indentation when i press enter in Kate (PHP files)? |
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| 21:41.07 | aseigo | b00zy: is autoindent turned off? |
| 21:41.23 | nollie | hola, is there an easy way to reload kdeglobals or otherwise export env. vars across kde (on the fly)? |
| 21:42.17 | aseigo | env vars? no. and good thing too.. it would let users get around kiosk settings too easily =P |
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| 21:42.48 | b00zy | aseigo: where is that setting? i can't locate it |
| 21:43.19 | aseigo | nollie: as for kdeglobals .. it will get reparsed when its changed whenever its accessed next.. |
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| 21:44.18 | aseigo | borndbad_: in the editor config... Indentation -> first box at the top |
| 21:44.19 | b00zy | aseigo: got it... Identation -> Auto Indentation -> Normal |
| 21:44.22 | nollie | aseigo: i'm trying to programatically change languages (via a shell script) ala the way the languages panel in the control center does it. i need a way to say LANG=es and have all open apps respect the change. any way you can see? |
| 21:44.24 | b00zy | Indentation* |
| 21:44.27 | aseigo | yep |
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| 21:45.28 | PhilRod | doesn't language change only apply to newly started apps? |
| 21:45.29 | eckhart | hi |
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| 21:45.42 | PhilRod | that was for nollie, btw |
| 21:46.26 | aseigo | nollie: hrm. let's see.. |
| 21:46.45 | eckhart | i want to update my suse linux 9.2 system to kde 3.4b2 |
| 21:46.57 | nollie | PhilRod: yup, and in the script i'm running I'm killing off apps the user has access to (gaim, firefox, etc). but there are a few places (some, but not all of the text in the kicker) that doesn't recognize the change |
| 21:47.03 | eckhart | i already found the correct rpms |
| 21:47.35 | nollie | the control center seems to be able to do this (w/o restarting the Panel btw). |
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| 21:48.29 | eckhart | my problem is that kde 3.4b2 requires qt 3.3.4 |
| 21:48.45 | eckhart | so i downloaded the corresponding rpm from the suse server |
| 21:48.55 | aseigo | nollie: if you change the kde settings, they'll be picked up by all newly started apps. |
| 21:49.03 | aseigo | nollie: env vars, no |
| 21:49.54 | eckhart | now, trying to update qt3, i got the following rpm error message: |
| 21:49.58 | eckhart | "qt_library_3.3.3 is needed by (installed) qt3-mysql-3.3.3-24" |
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| 21:50.58 | wftl | Hello all. Is there anyone out there actually creating KDE themes (as opposed to styles)? "Themes" in the sense of going into kcontrol's Theme configuration. |
| 21:51.05 | aseigo | eckhart: you need to update all the qt3 rpms.. |
| 21:51.16 | eckhart | aseigo: seems to be a problem |
| 21:51.19 | aseigo | wftl: i think so ... |
| 21:51.22 | nollie | aseigo: that's what i'm doing now, and it seems to be working...i just gotta learn more about kiosk framework so i can better control what apps can be opened. |
| 21:51.29 | eckhart | aseigo: i only found the qt3 rpm itself |
| 21:51.42 | aseigo | nollie: you know about http://kde.org/areas/sysadmin ? |
| 21:51.46 | aseigo | eckhart: erf. |
| 21:52.09 | erika | hello world |
| 21:52.24 | wftl | aseigo: I'm writing about it now, but actually finding an honest to goodness theme is pretty hard to do. Styles galore. |
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| 21:52.50 | PhilRod | nollie: and also, the user guide, which has some stuff about kiosk |
| 21:52.52 | PhilRod | apt: ug |
| 21:52.53 | apt | i guess ug is http://people.fruitsalad.org/phil/kde/userguide-tng |
| 21:52.53 | hareldvd__ | Is there a way to disable the "bell" in konsole? |
| 21:52.57 | aseigo | wftl: lol ... you're refering to the new Theme thing in 3.3 and on, right? |
| 21:52.57 | PhilRod | nollie: there ^^^ |
| 21:52.59 | erika | why is ther eno other irc client that uses irssi's tab-completion code? |
| 21:53.02 | erika | I don't get it |
| 21:53.07 | wftl | aseigo : yep |
| 21:53.13 | slackd00d | aseigo: will you do me a favor and see if you can connect to http://24.19.219.0/ |
| 21:53.21 | aseigo | erika: how does it work in irrsi? |
| 21:53.28 | nollie | aseigo: thanks. i believe i have that page. the goal is a multi-language kiosk (desktop shortcut driven language changes). |
| 21:53.40 | nollie | kiosk = lab computer (or whatever) |
| 21:53.45 | aseigo | slackd00d: isn't .0 a network? |
| 21:53.51 | slackd00d | no |
| 21:53.57 | slackd00d | its my ip |
| 21:54.07 | aseigo | slackd00d: i get "temp site for hosting files while *.oceighty.net is down." |
| 21:54.13 | slackd00d | cool, thanks |
| 21:54.46 | slackd00d | i appreciate it |
| 21:55.08 | PhilRod | nollie: are you setting up a system for a business/uni or something? |
| 21:55.41 | slackd00d | my hosting company shut my site down because i missed 1 payment by 3 days...they didnt even notify me and now they said they turned it back on but its still down = \ |
| 21:55.53 | PhilRod | nollie: just that, if you are, and you have success with KDE, you might like to write a short article about it - we'd love the publicity |
| 21:57.35 | nollie | PhilRod: it's a school project - i'm trying to prove that easy-to-use mulit-language (locked down) computer stations could be put in classrooms, run on donated hardware - linux/kde/etc. |
| 21:57.51 | aseigo | nollie: cool. ltsp? |
| 21:59.14 | nollie | aseigo: i haven't gotten past how this would be deployed past a single workstation. but, yeah, assuming i can get it working on one machine, ltsp would be a GREAT way to roll this out in a lab or whatever mutli-machine environment. |
| 21:59.44 | aseigo | nollie: ltsp is very simple to set up |
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| 22:01.11 | aseigo | nollie: it also makes it really economical. the stations can be POS Pentium I's |
| 22:01.21 | aseigo | nollie: only the central machine needs to be anything decent... |
| 22:01.32 | nollie | aseigo: i'll keep it mind for 'phase 2'. i'm showing this off tomorrow as a 'proof of concept' |
| 22:01.40 | aseigo | nollie: best of luck! =)) |
| 22:02.27 | nollie | i'm including a 'what to do next' (like dealing with non-latin character input and some other language specific issues. deployment across multiple machines is a great addition to that list...thanks for the info. |
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| 22:03.36 | aseigo | for those of you who read the dot, that's gotta be funny. |
| 22:04.48 | PieD | what appends ? |
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| 22:05.24 | PieD | s/appends/happens |
| 22:05.57 | PieD | does somebody know how to compile OpenOffice2 with KDE integration |
| 22:06.07 | PieD | (and not that horrible gnome integration |
| 22:06.32 | PieD | which is for me an insult : I feel like considered as nothing because I'm a KDE user) |
| 22:06.42 | erika | aseigo: sorry for my late answer: irssi uses the nick in its completion that has the corresponding first character to what is in the textbox and that has the shortest idletime |
| 22:06.54 | erika | every other client sorts its tab-completion results by alphabet |
| 22:07.00 | erika | which is extremely stupid |
| 22:08.04 | erika | imho |
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| 22:10.49 | aseigo | PieD: google for it.. it's there somewhere =) |
| 22:11.18 | aseigo | erika: hrm. yes, that does make sense |
| 22:11.37 | aseigo | erika: konvi seems to sort by last used... |
| 22:11.57 | aseigo | erika: so 'e' tab right now gives me 'erika' rathre than 'eckhart' |
| 22:12.17 | aseigo | erika: but from there it's alpha.. =/ |
| 22:12.27 | aseigo | oh wait.. no, it's not.. hum. |
| 22:12.47 | aseigo | ah.. it's case sensitive .. haha.. even worse |
| 22:13.53 | lauri | konvi can best be described as "aaron" |
| 22:13.58 | lauri | ie, cute, but eccentric |
| 22:14.19 | aseigo | lol |
| 22:15.00 | aseigo | i like to think of it as "cute AND eccentric" ... more like a selling point and less like a bug ;) |
| 22:15.17 | aseigo | though i'm not nearly the most eccentric kde dev.. |
| 22:15.23 | lauri | it's not a bug if it's documented |
| 22:15.51 | lauri | I'm not sure eccentric really reaches to ossi :) |
| 22:16.05 | lauri | who is adorable, impossibly smart, and completely bonkers |
| 22:16.10 | aseigo | he's of the eccentrometer! |
| 22:16.12 | aseigo | er, off the |
| 22:16.34 | lauri | and definitely has the best hair in KDE |
| 22:16.48 | erika | lol |
| 22:17.27 | erika | anyways what do you think is the reason.. I mean this is pretty obvious the best solution - what irssi does - still no other clients use this... |
| 22:17.58 | lauri | a lot of them use the one you last talked to as first choice |
| 22:18.04 | aseigo | lauri: yeah. and his rain slicker thing at aKademy was awesome. |
| 22:18.06 | lauri | equally sensible, imho |
| 22:18.18 | lauri | aseigo: must to be protecting the hair |
| 22:18.53 | aseigo | lauri: it's this colourful crazy thing... and when i asked him to pose fora picture in it he got this HUUUGE smile on his face and started flapping his arms like a bird |
| 22:18.55 | lauri | the charming thing about ossi being so nutso, he's completely aware of and ok with it :) |
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| 22:19.16 | aseigo | yep. he's awesome. =) |
| 22:19.34 | aseigo | i like to think of him as just being FREE |
| 22:19.47 | aseigo | like he realizes he can just be and do whatever the heck he feel like |
| 22:19.49 | lauri | yeah |
| 22:19.54 | aseigo | that's a rare gift |
| 22:19.55 | lauri | so he does, and we love him for it |
| 22:21.06 | lauri | look how many s people we have here |
| 22:21.08 | aseigo | you know, that would make it really hard to know when the nick you wanted was going to come up |
| 22:21.12 | lauri | by the time you get an idle time on them |
| 22:21.18 | aseigo | 166! =) |
| 22:21.29 | lauri | no, s people, like, people starting with s :) |
| 22:21.56 | aseigo | oh. 's' people. yes. can't trust them, really. =P |
| 22:22.07 | wftl | lauri : Just shows how popular this channel is . . . and KDE by extension. |
| 22:22.10 | lauri | but defaulting to the last person who you talked to, then the last people who talked in the channel, would be a compromise (and take no time to work out) |
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| 22:22.39 | lauri | s/channel/window |
| 22:22.53 | aseigo | .. showed him around kde 3.4 a bit .. amarok, kpdf, translucency, konqi... aside from our crappy browser history he was pretty much consistently impressed or even jealous... =) |
| 22:23.10 | aseigo | "huh. can i get iTunes to do that?" |
| 22:23.27 | lauri | I've spotted a couple of ex KDE/FreeBSD people who went to Macs, and are back |
| 22:23.44 | lauri | (like, developers) |
| 22:23.47 | PieD | aseigo: I can't find any way to know how to compiler OOo 680 with KDE integration ! |
| 22:24.01 | eckhart | "after the freeze" - nice new splash :-) |
| 22:24.01 | PieD | I find only how to compile OOo 1.1 with KDE integration |
| 22:24.06 | aseigo | we're getting to the point where we can take on MacOS =) KDE4 is going to kill. |
| 22:24.37 | aseigo | and then next it will be on to Windows... |
| 22:24.49 | aseigo | (that may sound a bit odd... but it's the applications, really) |
| 22:25.10 | aseigo | lauri: personally, os x just drives me nuts |
| 22:25.11 | PieD | ... |
| 22:25.23 | PieD | windows is far beyond KDE for usability |
| 22:25.25 | PieD | and simplicity ! |
| 22:25.31 | aseigo | lauri: they only reason i'd ever use it seriously is if i were doing something like nonlinear video editing |
| 22:26.09 | PieD | the bigger things that make windows "easier" is that near of everybody was educated with windows ! |
| 22:26.20 | aseigo | PieD: a study showed <10% difference, and that was using kde 3.1 .... |
| 22:26.20 | PieD | they learned how to use a computer with windows |
| 22:26.36 | aseigo | compared win98 users moving to XP or KDE .. |
| 22:26.38 | lauri | they were? |
| 22:26.53 | PieD | I know a person who doesn't know anything about computers |
| 22:27.00 | PieD | he was lost with windows |
| 22:27.01 | aseigo | or maybe it was just over 10%.. something like 34 vs 30 minutes |
| 22:27.16 | PieD | (viruses...) |
| 22:27.17 | lauri | aseigo: os X is so pretty |
| 22:27.27 | PieD | with KDE 3.2 he isn't lost ! |
| 22:27.38 | lauri | aseigo: all shiny slick and stuff |
| 22:27.40 | PieD | kontact and konqueror are great enough |
| 22:27.51 | PieD | the only problem is closed with KDE 3.4 : kpdf ! |
| 22:27.54 | wftl | My parents never learned Windows. They started with Linux and KDE. Windows looks foreign and unfriendly to them. |
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| 22:28.00 | lauri | aseigo: I think it's actually less usable than the classic mac os though (and hence, I don't use 'em anymore) |
| 22:28.11 | PieD | wftl: welcome to the club :) |
| 22:28.17 | lauri | but I never was a big mac fan |
| 22:28.36 | aseigo | lauri: i would agree with you about MacOS 9... |
| 22:28.45 | PieD | I learned with a Thomson TO8 |
| 22:28.51 | erika | I like mac... |
| 22:28.55 | erika | that is why I use xfce... |
| 22:28.56 | aseigo | lauri: but it's this really annoyingly hard situation that people want to do more complex things =/ |
| 22:28.57 | erika | :) |
| 22:29.01 | PieD | does somebody here know what it is ? |
| 22:29.06 | lauri | os/2 had that control panel first, interestingly |
| 22:29.25 | lauri | and when I mentioned that a few years ago, we should do our CP like that, I got laughed at very hard :) |
| 22:29.34 | lauri | but it's ok now, mac has it, so we must |
| 22:29.48 | lauri | but I'm not bitter... |
| 22:30.18 | lauri | (heh, no, I'm really not, it was pretty hard to describe really how it worked, so I probably didn't do a good enough job of it, whereas now with the mac version around, people 'get' it) |
| 22:30.50 | aseigo | lauri: are you referring to that systempreferences thing? |
| 22:31.11 | lauri | yup |
| 22:33.22 | wftl | I love the folding system tray icons. There was always too much there I didn't want to see. |
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| 22:40.18 | slackd00d | damn, i forgot howto gzip man pages =\ |
| 22:40.53 | MrGrim | same way you gzip any file |
| 22:41.05 | aseigo | using, um, gzip. |
| 22:41.17 | aseigo | wftl: we aim to please. |
| 22:41.25 | slackd00d | heh, i forgot the command |
| 22:41.27 | erika | << gone |
| 22:41.30 | erika | bye |
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| 22:44.57 | pestilence | is there any way to configure kde so that when running with dual heads i can move windows between the monitors? |
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| 22:45.32 | pestilence | or, for that matter, allow communication between the heads (i.e. click on a link in gaim opens the link in a browser on the other head) |
| 22:45.51 | pestilence | could somebody point me to some documentation about dual heads and kde |
| 22:45.54 | aseigo | xinerama. |
| 22:46.01 | pestilence | hmmm |
| 22:46.30 | pestilence | aseigo: that looks like it might be what i need :) |
| 22:46.54 | pestilence | right now it is opening two seperate desktops when i start kde |
| 22:49.00 | eckhart | what i really found useful under windows |
| 22:49.14 | sredna | teatime|afk: Ping |
| 22:49.21 | eckhart | you could just move your mouse into the upper right corner of the screen |
| 22:49.23 | PieD | eckhart: the viruses ? |
| 22:49.34 | eckhart | klick, and each maximized window was closed |
| 22:49.46 | PieD | ?? |
| 22:50.10 | PieD | don't know that ! |
| 22:50.26 | PieD | (here on my computer I had at the upper right corner a clock :) |
| 22:51.04 | eckhart | in kde, the close button always is located some pixels away |
| 22:51.13 | eckhart | so i only get the resize function |
| 22:51.47 | pestilence | eckhart: is that a function of the theme? |
| 22:53.26 | eckhart | pestilence: no, i think it's of kde |
| 22:53.35 | eckhart | the resize mouse cursor |
| 22:54.11 | pestilence | eckhart: oh. i see |
| 22:54.20 | pestilence | alt-f4 still works :) |
| 22:54.40 | eckhart | well, yes |
| 22:55.10 | eckhart | it's less a problem for me than for my grandfather |
| 22:55.20 | eckhart | he does not really like shortcuts |
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| 22:55.47 | eckhart | i think this is a usability problem |
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| 22:56.21 | Loki | morning |
| 22:56.41 | PieD | morning ? |
| 22:56.56 | Loki | PieD: ouwais, façon de parler |
| 22:56.57 | PieD | you're coming from the states ? |
| 22:57.13 | Loki | nope, Belgium actually |
| 22:57.26 | PieD | ben morning c'est bien matin non ? |
| 22:57.31 | Loki | but I tend to get awake at 22:00 ;) |
| 22:57.38 | Loki | oui oui :) |
| 22:57.40 | PieD | ok |
| 22:58.11 | Loki | anyone in here coming to FOSDEM ? |
| 22:58.55 | eckhart | with kde 3.4b2, i have no sound messages anymore |
| 22:59.17 | PieD | my hearth will be at FOSDEM, but I must go to school :( |
| 22:59.50 | Loki | PieD: during the week-end ? |
| 22:59.55 | SteamedPenguin | eckhart: you are lucky |
| 23:00.03 | eckhart | SteamedPenguin: why? |
| 23:00.09 | SteamedPenguin | eckhart: noatun and juk just lock up here |
| 23:00.10 | SteamedPenguin | :) |
| 23:00.19 | SteamedPenguin | they do some crazy flickering and bam die |
| 23:00.22 | PieD | Loki: don't forget the homework ! |
| 23:00.29 | PieD | @+++ |
| 23:00.37 | eckhart | SteamedPenguin: amarok still does work |
| 23:00.46 | eckhart | at least with me |
| 23:00.55 | SteamedPenguin | hmm, I haven't tried amarok |
| 23:01.01 | eckhart | i'll try the others |
| 23:01.06 | SteamedPenguin | I will once I am done with emerge world |
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| 23:01.57 | eckhart | hm, juk does work |
| 23:02.16 | SteamedPenguin | weird |
| 23:02.19 | eckhart | so, that's not the problem |
| 23:02.33 | SteamedPenguin | my KDE hates me then |
| 23:02.59 | Loki | amarok might use gstreamer or xine for output, though |
| 23:03.15 | eckhart | Loki: amarok uses arts |
| 23:04.52 | je4d | Loki: i'll be there |
| 23:05.15 | je4d | Loki: there's a wiki page about it on kde.me.uk |
| 23:08.36 | Loki | je4d: I'm managing the devrooms at FOSDEM |
| 23:08.47 | Loki | je4d: you've been in touch with fab ? |
| 23:09.10 | _joey | how do I add fonts to konsole? |
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| 23:11.26 | _joey | how do I add the *#%U$(* fonts to konsole? |
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| 23:12.42 | pestilence | _joey: what are the *#%U$(* fonts |
| 23:13.05 | _joey | it means the fucking fonts |
| 23:13.13 | pestilence | oh. |
| 23:13.14 | sredna | Kartoonswear.ttf? |
| 23:13.20 | rich_B | fonts do that?:P |
| 23:13.24 | pestilence | i thought it was some cryptic font |
| 23:13.46 | _joey | my own to censor swear words:) |
| 23:13.52 | _joey | my own wy to censor swear words:) |
| 23:14.32 | pestilence | so, what kind of fonts are you trying to add |
| 23:14.50 | je4d | Loki: oh, cool.. and yea, fab knows i'm going |
| 23:14.53 | pestilence | i know that for things like chinese fonts you have to regenerate your locale |
| 23:15.39 | _joey | pestilence any font |
| 23:15.49 | _joey | I just want to the procedure of adding fonts |
| 23:15.57 | Loki | je4d: the website you just mentioned.. is the list of people in there up-to-date ? (I'm just interested in the number, actually, for the hacker evening ;)) |
| 23:16.02 | _joey | mate |
| 23:16.21 | _joey | don't worry about LOOCALE, do you how to add the fonts to konsole? |
| 23:16.25 | pestilence | _joey: i would guess you just put them with all of your other system fonts |
| 23:16.29 | pestilence | but, what do i know |
| 23:16.35 | _joey | oh man |
| 23:16.46 | pestilence | patience is a virtue, my friend |
| 23:16.49 | je4d | Loki: good queston - I think it is. at least, i don't know of anyone (kde-related) going who's not on the list |
| 23:16.50 | MrGrim | anyone successfully using gstreamer with juk? |
| 23:16.50 | _joey | why would someone *#$&%*$ around if they don't know the answer |
| 23:16.56 | chavo | _joey, I just add fonts to ~/.fonts |
| 23:17.12 | chavo | MrGrim, yes |
| 23:17.13 | Loki | je4d: ok, thanks |
| 23:17.34 | Loki | je4d: see you on saturday evening then ;) |
| 23:17.34 | pestilence | _joey: buzz off, i was trying to help. you aren't going to get very far with that attitude (here, or in life) |
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| 23:18.15 | obennett | hiiiiiiiii! |
| 23:18.19 | MrGrim | chavo: did you have to do anything special? I am getting an annoying error "GStreamer-WARNING **: element pipeline claimed state-change success,but state didn't change to PLAYING. State is PAUSED (NONE_PENDING pending), fix the element" |
| 23:18.22 | je4d | Loki: yea, i meant to ask about that - is the buffet open to dev room people like last year? |
| 23:18.56 | obennett | it is the boring. |
| 23:19.03 | chavo | MrGrim, no I just installed gstreamer and then built juk, juk is from recent cvs though |
| 23:19.14 | _joey | pestilence listen you chinese scum, I asked how to add fonts to konsole and you started bullshitting about locale, theyen putting in a _system_ what stupid chinese man you are |
| 23:19.22 | obennett | lmao |
| 23:19.43 | obennett | now now joey. be nice. |
| 23:19.46 | Loki | je4d: http://www.fosdem.org/2005/index/support |
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| 23:19.50 | _joey | bullshit |
| 23:19.52 | pestilence | _joey: i've been called a lot of things in my life. chinese, now that's a first |
| 23:19.59 | MrGrim | google is being really lame... apparantly I am the only person to ever get this error |
| 23:20.00 | _joey | I am not going to be nice to a nutcase |
| 23:20.09 | _joey | who can't rub two brain cells together |
| 23:20.12 | obennett | be nice OR ELSE. |
| 23:20.12 | MrGrim | as google has never heard of it... which is becoming more and more frequent for google these days |
| 23:20.41 | obennett | MrGrim, your errors are too exotic :-) |
| 23:21.29 | _joey | pestilence so you have been called many things, have you? I amnot surprised:) |
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| 23:21.59 | pestilence | _joey: but most of them are respectful |
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| 23:22.13 | Loki | je4d: buffet is only free for speakers (in the tracks). remember that we try our best to keep the entrance free of charge ;) |
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| 23:23.12 | je4d | Loki: ok, thanks |
| 23:23.52 | _joey | in xterm I just a line in .Xdefaults XTerm etc |
| 23:23.59 | Loki | je4d: note that if you come to the hacker evening, there prolly won't be time to get to the buffet first. there are a lot of places to get food around there though. |
| 23:24.06 | _joey | should be a way installing fonts in konsole |
| 23:24.25 | obennett | joey you install fonts for kde |
| 23:24.28 | je4d | Loki: what exactly is the hacker evening? is there a page on the fosdem site? |
| 23:24.31 | obennett | they are then available for konsole |
| 23:24.34 | _joey | obennett how? |
| 23:24.42 | obennett | fonts:// |
| 23:24.46 | Loki | je4d: nope, it's not an "official FOSDEM" thing ;) |
| 23:24.49 | _joey | fonts:// ? |
| 23:24.52 | _joey | what's this? |
| 23:24.57 | obennett | type that in konqueror |
| 23:25.02 | je4d | Loki: there's no info on the web anywhere? |
| 23:25.15 | obennett | or, right click on your font, and choose install. |
| 23:25.34 | Loki | je4d: fab asked me to find some place with internet connectivity where KDE devs can meet saturday evening, discuss, code, get some pizza |
| 23:25.35 | obennett | fonts:/ or fonts:// one of them |
| 23:25.39 | _joey | obennett there's a directory listing |
| 23:25.53 | Loki | je4d: I guess that Fabrice must have put some info together |
| 23:25.53 | obennett | then drag your font in |
| 23:26.03 | je4d | Loki: aaah, it's the same as the thing fab was talking about.. ok |
| 23:26.07 | [GR]Hellblade | hi. i'm trying to compile amarok from CVS, with "make -f Makefile.cvs" but it sais i'm using autoconf 2.13 (needs 2.53+) althought I have the latest available in sid (2.59...) installed. how can i set this? |
| 23:26.09 | _joey | in what? |
| 23:26.11 | Loki | je4d: yes |
| 23:26.13 | _joey | for fuck sake man:) |
| 23:26.28 | obennett | into the directory? |
| 23:26.38 | obennett | where else would they go? |
| 23:26.42 | Loki | je4d: as there's "only" room for up to 60 people, we cannot make that an "official FOSDEM" thing, it would be full in 5 minutes' time ;) |
| 23:26.44 | _joey | where to drag it from if there's a _directory_ list of directories |
| 23:27.09 | obennett | OPEN ANOTHER BLOODY WINDOW and find your font there |
| 23:27.09 | je4d | Loki: yea, quite (: |
| 23:27.19 | obennett | then drag from one to the other |
| 23:27.21 | Loki | [GR]Hellblade: first do "rm -rf autom4te.cache", if it exists |
| 23:27.42 | _joey | there' s another cretine |
| 23:27.48 | obennett | or <obennett> or, right click on your font, and choose install. |
| 23:27.52 | _joey | obennett did you have anything to smoke? |
| 23:28.05 | s1amson | so, ive searched the kde docs, and searched google, for 'Could not start process Cannot talk to klauncher.' and, the results are vague to say the least. can anyone tell me what causes this error. the only time that ive ever got it is when trying to use 'File Browser - Super User Mode' -- KDE 3.3.0 in SuSE 9.2 |
| 23:28.20 | _joey | there are not *$%&*$ fonts in the directory listing |
| 23:28.21 | _joey | obennett: |
| 23:28.21 | obennett | you have now earned a spot in my as yet unoccupied ignore list |
| 23:28.24 | obennett | congrats |
| 23:28.41 | _joey | yeah piss off |
| 23:28.41 | pestilence | obennett: he earned that honor from me as well |
| 23:30.55 | Loki | je4d: I went to Brussels yesterday to check the place.. it will definately be fun, there are 4 rooms of about 10 to 20 ppl, perfect :) |
| 23:31.18 | obennett | illogic-al, dude i thought you were away. |
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| 23:31.30 | obennett | get to work yah bum :-) |
| 23:31.41 | Loki | well, I'm off |
| 23:31.45 | Loki | cheers yall |
| 23:33.30 | [GR]Hellblade | Loki> there is no such file |
| 23:33.41 | [GR]Hellblade | Loki> bye then... |
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| 23:39.00 | _joey | How do I install fonts in konsole? |
| 23:39.26 | Stof | which distro ? |
| 23:39.38 | _joey | fonts are independent of distros |
| 23:39.47 | _joey | and I need to install fonts in konsole |
| 23:39.49 | volty | install or change fonts? |
| 23:40.02 | _joey | fucking install |
| 23:40.12 | _joey | am I using English? or not?:) |
| 23:40.17 | _joey | unbelievable |
| 23:40.37 | volty | you want to install fonts using cli? |
| 23:40.48 | Stof | you install fonts in the system |
| 23:40.49 | _joey | I don't care how |
| 23:41.03 | Stof | standard procedure will have you checking the font provider configuration |
| 23:41.08 | _joey | as long I have them avaialbe in _konsole_ |
| 23:41.11 | Stof | font provider can be distribution specific :) |
| 23:41.13 | Cerulean | _joey: Clarify and calm down. Is konsole not displaying fonts? |
| 23:41.31 | _joey | most of the fonts already installed syste,-wide. and i repeate again I NEED TO INSTALL FONTS IN KONSOLE |
| 23:41.46 | _joey | how much more clear can I be? |
| 23:41.51 | volty | ahah |
| 23:42.07 | volty | you want to use different font for your konsole sessions? |
| 23:42.18 | volty | or want to install new fonts from konsole? |
| 23:42.19 | _joey | omg:) |
| 23:42.22 | _joey | stupid:) |
| 23:42.39 | Cerulean | _joey: People are asking you these 'stupid' questions because what you're saying makes no sense |
| 23:42.41 | _joey | damn it |
| 23:42.44 | Cerulean | KDE applications share fonts |
| 23:43.00 | Cerulean | It is illogical to say "install them for an application" |
| 23:43.13 | Stof | Konsole menu -> Settings -> Font -> Custom... |
| 23:43.19 | _joey | okay, let's try in another way, how do I add already system-wide installed fonts to KDE? |
| 23:43.23 | Stof | if the font isn't there, it isn't installed correctly in the system |
| 23:43.28 | _joey | Stof thanks |
| 23:43.43 | Stof | of course, it's not like that thing is hidden :/ |
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| 23:43.59 | _joey | I installed kde yesterday |
| 23:44.18 | _joey | and not familiar with it |
| 23:44.19 | volty | yes, nice, we wish you all the best, but be more polite next time please :) |
| 23:44.31 | _joey | volty go and have a drink |
| 23:44.50 | Alethes | know what would be a fun game? |
| 23:44.55 | Alethes | if we took bets on _joey's age |
| 23:44.56 | _joey | very nice contribution after suggesting loads of crap:) |
| 23:45.22 | _joey | another one:) |
| 23:46.04 | _joey | Stof there's no Font under Settings |
| 23:46.05 | obennett | Alethes, whois joey, as you'll see he is a "professional troll" |
| 23:46.10 | Alethes | *nod* |
| 23:46.11 | Alethes | I saw that |
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| 23:46.14 | volty | ahahah |
| 23:46.27 | Alethes | I wonder who pays him |
| 23:46.32 | _joey | you are all curious about me, I can see that:) |
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| 23:46.37 | Stof | too bad for you, there's one in my version :) |
| 23:46.42 | _joey | especially , the clueless ones |
| 23:46.49 | volty | Sent by MS to taste the friendlyness |
| 23:46.53 | _joey | Stof I have 3.3.2 |
| 23:46.57 | obennett | lol |
| 23:47.05 | Stof | I have 3.2.1 |
| 23:47.08 | Stof | can't help you here |
| 23:47.10 | volty | Menu - setttings - font |
| 23:47.37 | _joey | there's not fucking Font under Setting |
| 23:48.06 | Marrs|vroc | what options do you see under Settings? |
| 23:48.26 | aseigo | _joey: only monospace fonts appear in konsole. perhaps that's tripping you up? |
| 23:48.38 | Marrs|vroc | Do you see "Schema" and "Keyboard" for example? |
| 23:48.40 | volty | he's probably looking another menu |
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| 23:48.52 | aseigo | _joey: i've also seen broken font setups where some monospace fonts aren't reported as such by X |
| 23:48.59 | aseigo | well, fontconfig, but whatever |
| 23:49.03 | MrGrim | juk: ERROR: Couldn't resolve the mime type of "" -- this shouldn't happen. <- is this some sick idea of a joke? :( |
| 23:49.19 | aseigo | MrGrim: yes |
| 23:49.23 | aseigo | MrGrim: ha ha ha |
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| 23:49.48 | _joey | with these pesky n00bs |
| 23:49.58 | Alethes | heh |
| 23:49.59 | MrGrim | so how would I go about discovering how the impossible happened? |
| 23:50.01 | volty | ahah, _joey you drunk too much |
| 23:50.02 | Alethes | you're the one asking questions |
| 23:50.10 | Alethes | who's the n00b? |
| 23:50.16 | aseigo | MrGrim: what led to the error? |
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| 23:50.34 | MrGrim | playing an ogg vorbis file in juk |
| 23:50.37 | _joey | aseigo the fonts are available in other X applications so that 's not the issue |
| 23:50.51 | Ashdurbat | I added a user but I can't get him to be able to ftp into his home dir |
| 23:51.09 | volty | MrGrim: probably juk's fault, something else fails but it says it's mime type fail |
| 23:51.12 | Alethes | aseigo: how difficult would it be for the pager applet to be as featureful as the pager window (thumbs of the windows, etc) |
| 23:51.15 | _joey | it's only konsole, I've been asking and asking quetion to get the fonts in konsole and recieve lots of interesting suggestions, such to change locale and install them system wide etc |
| 23:51.18 | _joey | :)) |
| 23:51.43 | chavo | _joey, only monospace fonts show up in konsole |
| 23:51.59 | Stof | of course, you should install the fonts system wide since there is no other way to get them working :) |
| 23:52.17 | _joey | how do I know what monospace fonts are? I've got some fonts and that's all |
| 23:52.25 | Marrs|vroc | oh dear |
| 23:52.35 | aseigo | Alethes: not particularly difficult. just means spending a day doing it. |
| 23:52.41 | chavo | _joey, if they don't show up in konsole, they aren't monospace |
| 23:52.43 | MrGrim | I would say hey... it's a beta juk will work fine in 3.4 proper, but... then I remember it had nasty bugs in the last 2 stable releases :/ |
| 23:52.44 | Alethes | aseigo: any interest in doing so? |
| 23:52.50 | Stof | monospace fonts are fonts where the char size is always the same |
| 23:52.59 | aseigo | Alethes: of course. it's the time i'm short on. |
| 23:52.59 | Stof | a l and a M will take the same space |
| 23:53.00 | _joey | oh man |
| 23:53.00 | Marrs|vroc | char width |
| 23:53.00 | volty | never mind if you know what's monospace, anyway a list to choose from would be displayed unless only one installed |
| 23:53.02 | _joey | fuck you all:) |
| 23:53.04 | MrGrim | it's gone from a wonderful, basic, simple, working jukebox to buggy :( |
| 23:53.19 | _joey | Does anyone have any fuicking idea how to add fonts to KDE here or not?:) |
| 23:53.20 | Alethes | aseigo: hehe, yeah, y'need me to get C++ happening so I can implement some of these ideas? :) |
| 23:53.26 | volty | naa MrGrim, it just happens |
| 23:53.39 | volty | _joey: what distro you have? |
| 23:54.04 | _joey | listen you pathetic n00b, X and KDE are indpedent of distros |
| 23:54.07 | MrGrim | _joey: ever read a paper called "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments" |
| 23:54.16 | chavo | _joey, I told you over 30 minutes ago, how to add fonts to X |
| 23:54.20 | _joey | MrGrim have a look at users here |
| 23:54.27 | _joey | :)) |
| 23:54.28 | MrGrim | _joey: look in th emirror |
| 23:54.30 | Alethes | why is everybody still feeding the troll? |
| 23:54.42 | aseigo | MrGrim: hr.m looks like your system is having problems identifying ogg files... |
| 23:54.44 | _joey | MrGrim well, no comments |
| 23:54.47 | volty | he's amusing, probably drunk |
| 23:54.54 | Marrs|vroc | I'm not sure, I'm seeing great amounts of patience here :) |
| 23:55.00 | _joey | chavo I didn't see, I saw you suggesting about monspace |
| 23:55.03 | chavo | we're hoping he'll implode from all of the input |
| 23:55.15 | _joey | Perhaps, I am addressing wrong people with my questions:) |
| 23:55.19 | chavo | _joey, this was like about 40 minutes ago |
| 23:55.27 | _joey | I didn't see it |
| 23:55.37 | Marrs|vroc | then scroll back |
| 23:55.42 | aseigo | MrGrim: do you have a audio/x-vorbis mimetype? |
| 23:55.46 | MrGrim | aseigo: other kde music players can play them |
| 23:55.47 | volty | installing fonts is not distro neutral thing |
| 23:55.55 | _joey | someone suggested menu-setting-font, but I don't have font under settings |
| 23:55.57 | MrGrim | checking |
| 23:56.06 | chavo | you can install them in ~/.fonts , for personal fonts |
| 23:56.27 | MrGrim | I do, but it has nothing in the filename patterns list |
| 23:56.29 | MrGrim | interesting |
| 23:56.44 | _joey | chavo just copy the fonts into this directory? |
| 23:56.45 | chavo | _joey, control center -> system administration -> font installer |
| 23:56.47 | aseigo | that's fine.. it uses mime magic to do that |
| 23:56.53 | aseigo | MrGrim: hum... here's a thought... |
| 23:57.07 | aseigo | MrGrim: i take it you compile from source? |
| 23:57.15 | chavo | _joey, yes, but like I said fonts in ~/.fonts are only available to that user |
| 23:57.48 | MrGrim | in fact a large number of my mimetypes have nothing in the filename patterns list |
| 23:57.49 | MrGrim | ya I do |
| 23:57.56 | aseigo | MrGrim: ok ... kdemultimedia/juk/mediafiles.cpp line 40, change x-vorbis to just vorbis |
| 23:57.59 | MrGrim | so how do I reconstruct a default mimetype database? |
| 23:58.07 | aseigo | MrGrim: recompile juk .. and see if that works. |
| 23:58.18 | chavo | or you can use control center -> system administration -> font installer, for a gui way to install them system wide |
| 23:58.34 | volty | it's so strange, even if konsole disables settings - font if only one available, strange that only one monospace present |
| 23:59.15 | MrGrim | aseigo: not needed, adding the proper extensions to the audio/x-vorbis mimetype fixed it |
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| 23:59.33 | aseigo | MrGrim: well, i'm kind of thinking of other users here =) |
| 23:59.34 | MrGrim | aseigo: it seems tho my mimetype database is very incomplete, do you know how to rebuild it? |
| 23:59.45 | MrGrim | the audio/vorbis mimetype had the same problem |
| 23:59.45 | lofi-rev | is there a setting in the configurator that makes konsole start with the -ls flag? |
| 23:59.47 | _joey | chavo I installed the fonts , restarted konsole and the fonts still not apppearing in konsole |
