| 00:00.10 | aseigo_work | Zxcvb: you most certainly can have any number of versions. |
| 00:00.11 | Zxcvb | chavo: I don't see anything in the docs about setting qt2dir=foo, qt3dir=bar, etc |
| 00:00.11 | m1lkc0w | chavo: love it. Much easier to figure out the stacking order of windows as well |
| 00:00.12 | aseigo_work | hell, i've had KDE2, KDE3 stable AND KDE3 devel installed and running in one session |
| 00:00.27 | aseigo_work | Zxcvb: because you don't need to set QTDIR.. |
| 00:00.28 | Zxcvb | aseigo_work: how did you do that since you can only have one qtdir= environment variable |
| 00:00.32 | aseigo_work | Zxcvb: because you don't need to set QTDIR.. |
| 00:00.37 | aseigo_work | it's not a requirement. |
| 00:00.41 | aseigo_work | it's nice for compiling, but that's about it |
| 00:01.12 | chavo | Zxcvb, you just add the lib dir to LD_LIBRARY_PATH and the app will use the correct version |
| 00:01.44 | code__ | n8 |
| 00:01.52 | Zxcvb | don't most apps link to libfoo.so rather than libfoo.so.1.3.4? |
| 00:02.15 | polok | aseigo_work: thanks very much, my mistake |
| 00:02.48 | aseigo_work | see ya peeps later |
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| 00:06.53 | willwork4foo | OK, sod this. Can someone tell me if it's possible in KDE to get an "XDMCP login window" from a remote computer in a box on the screen? |
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| 00:07.15 | willwork4foo | <---- is beginning to get pissed off. |
| 00:07.23 | canllaith | Yes |
| 00:07.41 | willwork4foo | how do I achieve this holy grail of a target I have set myself? |
| 00:07.46 | canllaith | Xnest :1 -query remotehost |
| 00:07.52 | Ashdurbat | Is it possible to diable the panel? |
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| 00:08.05 | canllaith | If xdmcp is already set up and you're wanting to log into it from a KDE box |
| 00:08.15 | canllaith | if you're wanting to log into a KDE box using KDM then there is a wee bit more to i |
| 00:08.41 | canllaith | that's really weird, the wireless router went all funky and I had 8000ms pings to machines one foot away from me 0_0 |
| 00:08.48 | willwork4foo | canllaith: it didn't work. |
| 00:08.55 | willwork4foo | I'm doing this onto a Solaris 9 box |
| 00:09.05 | canllaith | willwork4foo: well then you need to set up your solaris box properly |
| 00:09.36 | willwork4foo | canllaith: it's a fresh install. I've not changed anything to do with it since it was installed. surely xdmcp should work normally, yes? |
| 00:09.38 | canllaith | given that we're not clairvoyant, you might want to read our 'how to ask smart questions' section in the faq :P |
| 00:09.49 | willwork4foo | ooo, that was bitchy... |
| 00:09.49 | canllaith | willwork4foo: what, on a solaris 9 box? Dude you're the sun certifiable dude you tell me |
| 00:09.54 | canllaith | No, that was not bitchy at all |
| 00:10.01 | willwork4foo | canllaith: not covered in my course. |
| 00:10.02 | canllaith | That was an honest suggestion, go and read the faq. |
| 00:10.57 | canllaith | The peculiarities of your xdmcp setup on your solaris box are going to make that question impossible to answer if we don't know more about it. |
| 00:13.15 | willwork4foo | canllaith: fair enough. it's a bog standard xdmcp setup as far as I know - I've not changed anything to do with it. I am getting error messages when trying to run that Xnest command... basically, I get a black window with the X cursor on it for a few seconds, then in the terminal where I entered the Xnest command I get the error (pasted into pastebin): http://www.pastebin.com/237862 and I have no idea what any of that means. |
| 00:13.24 | willwork4foo | any suggestions would be welcome... |
| 00:13.40 | canllaith | ok then |
| 00:14.08 | canllaith | just out of curiosity |
| 00:14.12 | willwork4foo | yes? |
| 00:14.14 | canllaith | can you try Xnest :8 -query blah |
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| 00:14.56 | willwork4foo | same shit. |
| 00:14.57 | canllaith | if The problem looks very much like it is on the local box at any rate |
| 00:14.59 | m1lkc0w | willwork4foo: Search google. xdm seems to be buggy on S9, crashing remote connections. use dtlogin. |
| 00:15.11 | Ashdurbat | Never mind, got it |
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| 00:15.20 | m1lkc0w | willwork4foo: Don't ask me for details.... |
| 00:15.28 | canllaith | mmm ok :) it looks very much like problems I have when I have stale lock files in /tmp but that sure could be it too |
| 00:15.41 | willwork4foo | </me is confused.> |
| 00:16.09 | canllaith | http://forum.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=19598&tstart=105 |
| 00:16.12 | willwork4foo | by the way - if I use gdm and go to runlevel 4, and then I use the xdmcp chooser from there, it works |
| 00:16.42 | canllaith | I don't think I have ever used a free X11 implementation to connect to solaris |
| 00:17.09 | canllaith | I used Exceed (which btw is really really crappier than using X11 from cygwin or natively on a unix) |
| 00:17.28 | willwork4foo | aha. I shall go and follow that doc you just posted canllaith - wish me luck |
| 00:17.37 | willwork4foo | thanks - my googling was kinda fruitless |
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| 00:19.21 | canllaith | gah |
| 00:19.34 | canllaith | can't wait until kicker lets you have a 3 row taskbar at like 48px or something instead of 54 |
| 00:19.50 | canllaith | (hint hint, love you lots aseigo_afk ) |
| 00:21.49 | willwork4foo | right. have decided that xdmcp is going to be more of a headache than VNC. so I'm going to continue to attack VNC. |
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| 00:22.50 | [Aura]kingwanja | is 2004.3 the lastest version of gentoo ? |
| 00:25.20 | sredna | Good night * |
| 00:25.24 | jepel_tailweaver | night sredna |
| 00:25.59 | jepel_tailweaver | Hello all, has anyone here used the network sound thingy with aRts? I would have gone to arts-project.org to look up docs except I can't get to it |
| 00:26.30 | [Aura]kingwanja | i was going to say goodnight sandra then :s |
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| 00:27.36 | bobesponja | is famd necessary on kde 3.4? it uses a lot of CPU on some apps? |
| 00:27.55 | darkcmd | KDE 3.4 is out? |
| 00:28.05 | StevenR | bobesponja: afaik fam is not a requirement, only an optional extension |
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| 00:28.39 | darkcmd | what is fam? |
| 00:28.46 | bobesponja | darkcmd: I was talking about cvs |
| 00:29.06 | darkcmd | what's fam though :) |
| 00:29.09 | canllaith | KDE 3.4 beta 2 is about to be tagged |
| 00:29.13 | bobesponja | famd is a daemon that monitors the different mounted filesystems that you have mounted and notifies other programs of any changes |
| 00:29.32 | chavo | bobesponja, it's not necessary, but it's nice. |
| 00:31.10 | bobesponja | chavo: it's nice but when I try to open several big directories for amarok it uses 99% of CPU and freezes everything, without it amarok loads the directory just fine |
| 00:31.50 | chavo | bobesponja, never had that happen here |
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| 00:36.27 | canllaith | bah stupid xchat and unicode characters :\ bbs |
| 00:36.52 | slackd0Od | canllaith: do you want a million dollars? |
| 00:36.59 | slackd0Od | oops, he missed his chance |
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| 00:38.38 | willwork4foo | slackd0Od: canllaith is not a he. |
| 00:38.48 | canllaith | I most certainly am not a he. |
| 00:38.50 | canllaith | I think I'd remember that |
| 00:38.57 | slackd0Od | whatever, typo |
| 00:39.02 | slackd0Od | = P |
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| 00:40.10 | [Aura]kingwanja | ok some folks are scaring me with gentoo now because its a pain to install . |
| 00:40.39 | slackd0Od | its not a pain |
| 00:40.54 | jepel_tailweaver | it's not that hard once you've done it 3 or 4 times |
| 00:41.03 | jepel_tailweaver | the first time is not easy at all tho |
| 00:41.23 | slackd0Od | if you follow the handbook it is |
| 00:41.39 | slackd0Od | its not the easiest, buts not hard |
| 00:41.51 | jepel_tailweaver | it's very hard if you don't know your system |
| 00:41.58 | slackd0Od | true |
| 00:42.07 | [Aura]kingwanja | the handbook is massive though isnt it |
| 00:42.15 | slackd0Od | theres a qucik version |
| 00:42.18 | slackd0Od | quick |
| 00:42.25 | jepel_tailweaver | the quick version is not for beginners |
| 00:42.29 | aseigo | you can do a stage 3 install |
| 00:42.30 | jepel_tailweaver | the long version explains everything |
| 00:42.34 | slackd0Od | wich is simple and straight forward |
| 00:42.34 | aseigo | much easier in general |
| 00:42.47 | jepel_tailweaver | the quick version assumes you know what you're doing and just want to be reminded what order you have to do everything in |
| 00:42.49 | slackd0Od | ya, stage3 is the way to go |
| 00:43.03 | slackd0Od | i used the quick version the first time |
| 00:43.15 | slackd0Od | = ) |
| 00:43.22 | aseigo | it was an afternoon of "i have to WHAT?"s |
| 00:43.37 | aseigo | felt like 1994 all over again |
| 00:43.53 | slackd0Od | heh |
| 00:43.54 | [Aura]kingwanja | I was i had real physical IT friends here :( |
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| 00:44.06 | aseigo | you just have imaginary ones? |
| 00:44.10 | chavo | I spent a minute of "I have to WHAT's" on the Gentoo website. Then I hit the back button and got out of there. |
| 00:44.12 | aseigo | or real ghost ones? =) |
| 00:44.13 | slackd0Od | hah |
| 00:44.19 | [Aura]kingwanja | yeah , you folks , lol |
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| 00:44.53 | canllaith | I'm not smart enough to use gentoo |
| 00:44.57 | canllaith | or anything that has a packaging system |
| 00:45.02 | canllaith | I can handle configure;make;make install |
| 00:45.03 | chavo | If some one was paying me for it, maybe. But running a computer shouldn't be a full time job. |
| 00:45.11 | slackd0Od | i cant decide if i want to use gentoo or slackware...heh im stuck |
| 00:45.16 | canllaith | trying to train my poor little brain into using anything else is just bah |
| 00:45.43 | chavo | I think my brain is full, I need to figure out how to delete some of the crap. |
| 00:45.47 | slackd0Od | emerge kde if you want to install kde....its not too hard |
| 00:45.50 | [Aura]kingwanja | canllaith: are you kidding , you are the smart IQ one |
| 00:45.59 | slackd0Od | = P |
| 00:46.14 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith: slack has a packaging system |
| 00:46.23 | jepel_tailweaver | tho I never figured out completely how to make slack packages |
| 00:46.28 | slackd0Od | http://glis.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:46.33 | slackd0Od | that makes it even easier |
| 00:46.43 | jepel_tailweaver | thanks |
| 00:46.54 | jepel_tailweaver | interesting |
| 00:46.55 | canllaith | jepel_tailweaver:yeah, I make slackpacks of everything |
| 00:47.02 | canllaith | but dependancies yuck |
| 00:47.15 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith: If I want to install something non-standard, I would just slap it in /usr/local or /opt |
| 00:47.22 | jepel_tailweaver | after all, that's why we have /usr/local |
| 00:47.29 | slackd0Od | make install into a tmp dir...cd to that dir...then makepkg package-1.0-i386-1.tgz |
| 00:47.31 | slackd0Od | = ) |
| 00:48.06 | jepel_tailweaver | slackd0Od: do you do 'make DESTDIR=/tmp/packageroot install' or ./configure --prefix=/tmp/packageroot? |
| 00:48.14 | canllaith | No |
| 00:48.16 | canllaith | the second doesn't work |
| 00:48.25 | [Aura]kingwanja | does gentoo have a gui install then ? |
| 00:48.25 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.33 | canllaith | make DESTDIR=/home/pkgroot install |
| 00:48.39 | slackd0Od | [Aura]kingwanja: no |
| 00:48.40 | jepel_tailweaver | I wondered how people made slack packages |
| 00:48.46 | canllaith | You do need a bit more to it |
| 00:48.49 | jepel_tailweaver | because I knew stuff would screw up with --prefix |
| 00:48.53 | [Aura]kingwanja | no :o .. i will be sizzled |
| 00:48.53 | canllaith | No |
| 00:49.00 | canllaith | oh |
| 00:49.01 | canllaith | yes :P |
| 00:49.01 | slackd0Od | [Aura]kingwanja: theres a diffrent distro that is based on gentoo, but uses redhats anaconda installer |
| 00:49.06 | jepel_tailweaver | vidalinux |
| 00:49.38 | [Aura]kingwanja | which one is that ? |
| 00:49.47 | slackd0Od | vidalinux |
| 00:49.51 | slackd0Od | = ) |
| 00:49.51 | [Aura]kingwanja | oh |
| 00:50.03 | canllaith | lots of work done on kicker lately, fantastic stuff |
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| 00:50.32 | slackd0Od | heh, i think i wanna install gentoo now |
| 00:50.44 | canllaith | aseigo: I see you're starting to kconfigxtize stuffs and generally clean up the code |
| 00:51.16 | aseigo | kconfigxt is done |
| 00:51.17 | jepel_tailweaver | I don't wanna install gentoo |
| 00:51.26 | jepel_tailweaver | Gentoo's install is okay, but installing all the good stuff takes a lot of time |
| 00:51.34 | canllaith | Niiiiiceness :) |
| 00:51.35 | aseigo | code cleaning is happening, getting rid of unecessary dependencies, bug squishing |
| 00:51.47 | [Aura]kingwanja | damn how many versions of linux are there , so many distros , im confused |
| 00:51.49 | canllaith | I'm assuming that I have to wait till after the freeze to finish up my shit |
| 00:52.04 | canllaith | Yeah, I noticed that from readin cvs filter. Lots of stuff that is (to me) exciting |
| 00:52.53 | [Aura]kingwanja | clean code ; here let me wash your mouth out with soap , canllaith |
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| 00:53.03 | aseigo | well, it's interesting how some of the decisions made a few months ago are having nice though unintended consequences |
| 00:53.20 | aseigo | like how we can assign the unique extension id to the extension on creation rather than sometimes after that |
| 00:53.34 | aseigo | which in turn allows for a rather clean way to store our hidden state for when we start up next |
| 00:54.19 | canllaith | :)) very cool stuff |
| 00:55.11 | aseigo | next three things: |
| 00:55.27 | aseigo | o fix taskbar updating on reconfig properly, which i broke last night a wee bit |
| 00:55.33 | aseigo | o fix autoexpand |
| 00:55.50 | aseigo | o fix new icon adding (e.g. don't slap it at the end, or over another button/applet) |
| 00:55.54 | aseigo | if i get all three done this week i'll be mad happy |
| 00:55.55 | canllaith | heh yes please |
| 00:56.14 | [Aura]kingwanja | wow vidalinux looks like they have cracked it |
| 00:56.17 | canllaith | You know where to yell if you want a bumbling clueless newbie to 'help' it take twice as long as it should :) |
| 00:56.26 | aseigo | [Aura]kingwanja: cracked what? |
| 00:56.37 | aseigo | canllaith: lol |
| 00:56.41 | [Aura]kingwanja | easy install and its gentoo |
| 00:56.52 | aseigo | canllaith: speaking of which. documentation? |
| 00:57.11 | canllaith | aseigo: your wish is my command. What do you want done? :) |
| 00:57.21 | aseigo | it needs to be updated. |
| 00:57.26 | aseigo | features are finished, so... |
| 00:57.47 | canllaith | consider it done, although I'm not home till monday so it might be slow going until then. That's cool? :) |
| 00:58.13 | aseigo | absolutely =) |
| 00:58.19 | aseigo | docs are frozen till end of the month anyways |
| 00:58.28 | canllaith | aren't ** |
| 00:58.38 | aseigo | er, yes |
| 00:58.41 | canllaith | kdebase docs at any rate which rocks for me :) |
| 00:58.47 | canllaith | kdebase/doc/userguide and kdebase/doc/faq |
| 00:59.00 | aseigo | i think we all are |
| 00:59.08 | aseigo | means we have a hope in hell of having decent docs |
| 00:59.18 | canllaith | :) So sure thing I'll pop kicker docs on my to do list, since mattr ended up getting bored and doing kopete for me |
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| 00:59.55 | aseigo | doc writing. wow. he MUST'VE been bored ;) |
| 00:59.55 | canllaith | nah it works fine |
| 01:00.09 | canllaith | indeed, He asked me to do it at like 10pm my time and I said sure |
| 01:00.17 | canllaith | I woke up the next morning and he's like 'oh btw it's done' |
| 01:00.24 | aseigo | nice |
| 01:00.36 | canllaith | heh yeah :) |
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| 01:02.54 | aseigo | lesbian horse trainers! |
| 01:02.58 | aseigo | breeders |
| 01:03.29 | aseigo | i swear, i'm going to think of that everytime i think of you people working on stuff together... my brain has been corrupted! |
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| 01:04.32 | aseigo | (doom doom doom) |
| 01:06.18 | canllaith | lol |
| 01:06.23 | canllaith | you're a strange person |
| 01:06.33 | canllaith | mmm |
| 01:06.39 | canllaith | ok we have an interesting glitch here |
| 01:06.53 | canllaith | With the drop shadows on, mplayer behaves strangely and there are all kinds of redraw bugs with all apps, including KDE ones ... |
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| 01:10.17 | willwork4foo | canllaith: another related interesting bug is that if you have xcompmgr running and you start xine, everything is fine - if you fullscreen xine and then return to windowed xine afterwards, xcompmgr is magically closed. |
| 01:10.28 | canllaith | interesting |
| 01:10.31 | willwork4foo | yep. |
| 01:10.37 | willwork4foo | I found that out today. |
| 01:10.50 | willwork4foo | I was like, "aw, where's my lovely shadows gone." |
| 01:11.35 | willwork4foo | OK - sleeps time for me. goodnight y'all |
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| 01:19.29 | aseigo | omg. i have a remix of Barbie Girl .. by Orbital. i'm suddenly slightly ashamed of my music collection. |
| 01:20.10 | jepel_tailweaver | aseigo: that's why we have things like rm -f or cryptoloop |
| 01:20.50 | canllaith | aseigo: the frightening part of that sentence |
| 01:20.54 | canllaith | is the word 'slightly' |
| 01:21.30 | aseigo | canllaith: hahaha.. yeah, i have a shameless sot part of me |
| 01:21.33 | canllaith | 0_0 |
| 01:21.40 | aseigo | PR0N! |
| 01:21.47 | aseigo | how nasty is it? |
| 01:21.51 | canllaith | I'm just so used to Andrew |
| 01:21.58 | canllaith | where I can slocate *.jpg *.png *.gif *.tiff |
| 01:22.00 | aseigo | used to his pr0n viewing habits? |
| 01:22.01 | aseigo | hehe |
| 01:22.08 | canllaith | and not come up with anything scarier than our family christmas photos |
| 01:22.13 | canllaith | (which admittedly is pretty damn scary) |
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| 01:22.17 | aseigo | "at least he sticks to the vanilla stuff, not the animals and shit" |
| 01:22.19 | canllaith | No, Andrew doesn't actually view porn at all |
| 01:22.33 | canllaith | and as much as everyone tells me 'bullshit' I'm his sys and mail admin. Trust me. I know. |
| 01:22.35 | aseigo | ... or else he has it better hidden? ;=P |
| 01:22.37 | canllaith | I read his proxy server logs. |
| 01:22.40 | aseigo | lol |
| 01:22.53 | Ali7 | kde or gnome? |
| 01:22.58 | aseigo | well, not every guy finds such stuff worth the time |
| 01:23.02 | aseigo | damn. flogging molly rocks. |
| 01:23.12 | canllaith | No, he prefers to do the whole caveman drag woman to bed thing |
| 01:23.16 | aseigo | Ali7: want to stay or go? |
| 01:23.36 | Ali7 | stay sir |
| 01:23.39 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith: (s)he who controls the proxy, controls the world -BOFH |
| 01:23.41 | aseigo | canllaith: haha.. yes, that is a few orders of magnitude better |
| 01:23.46 | canllaith | aseigo: ;) |
| 01:23.48 | aseigo | Ali7: then i'd suggest not trolling |
| 01:23.57 | canllaith | jepel_tailweaver: indeed. Fear me! I am woman, hear me clickety-click |
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| 01:24.28 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith: I think it's clicky clicky, lemme check |
| 01:24.39 | canllaith | jepel_tailweaver: clickety-click ;) trust me |
| 01:24.43 | canllaith | or clickety-clickety |
| 01:24.50 | canllaith | either are acceptable BOFH sound effects |
| 01:25.30 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith: I have the original BOFH in front of me now, and it is in fact clickety clickety |
| 01:25.40 | rombeh | Dummy Mode ON |
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| 01:27.04 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith: 'Cliquetis, cliqueta' in French BOFH |
| 01:28.39 | canllaith | jepel_tailweaver: there you go. So it is not acctually clickly clicky |
| 01:29.13 | canllaith | heh omg my friends KDE hates him. I have set it up the same as mine and it's not doing the same things .... |
| 01:31.32 | jepel_tailweaver | wow |
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| 01:31.49 | Oleg_ | hi |
| 01:32.07 | canllaith | heh over a completely saturated 11MBps connection. Yikes. |
| 01:32.10 | Oleg_ | canllaith: hello |
| 01:32.13 | jepel_tailweaver | all this time, I've been saying 'simon trah vaal gee ah' or travalgia when it was really supposed to be 'simon trah vag lee ah' |
| 01:32.22 | Oleg_ | slayerbob: hi |
| 01:32.45 | brucehoult | trah vah lee aye is how simon says it |
| 01:32.53 | brucehoult | or did in 1983/84ish anyway |
| 01:33.01 | Oleg_ | brucehoult: hi to you too |
| 01:33.31 | canllaith | So about when I was learning to walk? |
| 01:33.47 | brucehoult | if yo were a fast learner, I guess :-) |
| 01:33.59 | canllaith | I was walking by very early 84 |
| 01:34.13 | canllaith | possibly late 83 |
| 01:34.26 | canllaith | and how can you doubt that I was a fast learner? ;) |
| 01:34.27 | brucehoult | in '84 I was flatting at 82 Insoll Ave. |
| 01:34.43 | brucehoult | Simon lived with his parents (still) in #79 |
| 01:34.45 | brucehoult | er, 78 |
| 01:35.02 | Oleg_ | In 1984, I was 2 years old |
| 01:35.11 | jepel_tailweaver | In 1984, I was -6 years old! |
| 01:35.15 | canllaith | Yep, oleg you are the same ages as me :) |
| 01:35.18 | canllaith | age** |
| 01:35.25 | canllaith | What month were you born? |
| 01:35.29 | Oleg_ | January |
| 01:35.35 | canllaith | Ah, you are 9 months older |
| 01:35.45 | Oleg_ | ok |
| 01:35.57 | aseigo | damn. you peeps are younguns. |
| 01:36.05 | aseigo | or, conversely, i'm not. |
| 01:36.09 | canllaith | :P |
| 01:36.17 | Oleg_ | so, beta 2 will be released tomorrow |
| 01:36.31 | aseigo | well, dunno about tomorrow. but it's been tagged, tarballs made. |
| 01:36.43 | jepel_tailweaver | aseigo: I'm the youngest regular in the Linux from Scratch IRC channel |
| 01:36.57 | canllaith | I suspect you'd be the youngest reg in most |
| 01:37.09 | jepel_tailweaver | true |
| 01:37.20 | canllaith | Since my friend Wilf used to be the youngest in every freenode channel we inflicted him on... |
| 01:37.22 | canllaith | and he's 17 now |
| 01:37.43 | canllaith | (he was 14 then though) |
| 01:38.48 | Theory | now I guess I'm no longer the youngest |
| 01:39.03 | aseigo | Theory: ahahaha |
| 01:39.10 | aseigo | Theory: just the most clueless? ;-) |
| 01:39.15 | jepel_tailweaver | I might be 14.5 as of thursday, unless I have the wrong month |
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| 01:39.27 | canllaith | mm |
| 01:39.34 | canllaith | Do I attempt to use alsa with my neomagic again |
| 01:39.38 | canllaith | and suffer possible kernel panics |
| 01:39.45 | canllaith | or do I just stick with the suckier but more stable OSS |
| 01:39.52 | Theory | I think a half-birthday-party is coming up at some point soon |
| 01:39.56 | Theory | no idea when though |
| 01:40.03 | canllaith | Yeah I think I will |
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| 01:40.14 | canllaith | the last time i tried it was 2.6.5 |
| 01:40.18 | jepel_tailweaver | 2.6.5 seems ages ago |
| 01:40.22 | aseigo | happy half birthday to jepel_tailweaver and Theory then |
| 01:40.25 | jepel_tailweaver | even 2.6.7 seems a while ago to me |
| 01:40.27 | canllaith | alsa works sweet with basically all my machines, just this particular one has a nasty chipset. |
| 01:40.28 | aseigo | and a very merry unbirthday to the rest |
| 01:40.28 | jepel_tailweaver | thank you, aseigo |
| 01:40.37 | canllaith | Linux abacus 2.6.7 #2 Tue Oct 5 14:32:13 NZDT 2004 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux |
| 01:40.44 | canllaith | 2.6.7 wasn't that long ago lol |
| 01:40.45 | jepel_tailweaver | 2.6.10 here |
| 01:40.55 | canllaith | Yeah, 2.6.10 on some machines here |
| 01:40.55 | jepel_tailweaver | Anyone here familiar with aRts network audio btw? |
| 01:40.58 | canllaith | 2.6.3 on others |
| 01:41.14 | canllaith | since the interrupt handling changed in a way that is death to certain via usb chipsets after that |
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| 01:41.29 | jepel_tailweaver | hiya AssociateX |
| 01:41.49 | AssociateX | Hwllo |
| 01:52.05 | Alethes | Uptime: 14 days, 11 hours and 3 minutes |
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| 01:52.07 | Alethes | errr |
| 01:52.10 | Alethes | weird |
| 01:52.21 | Alethes | konversation doesn't handle that the same way xchat does |
| 01:52.48 | Alethes | I want /exec -o dammit |
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| 01:52.53 | canllaith | lol yeah |
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| 01:53.24 | Alethes | I'm using a fairly old version of fbsd |
| 01:53.26 | Alethes | 4.9 heh |
| 01:53.42 | Alethes | gonna update when kde 3.4 is out |
| 01:54.31 | Alethes | find anything that seems lacking with those icons, canllaith? |
| 01:54.32 | thiago | 3.4beta2 should be out within a week |
| 01:54.40 | canllaith | Alethes: Nope, what is there looks great |
| 01:54.45 | Alethes | groovy |
| 01:54.46 | canllaith | obviously it needs to be more complete :) |
| 01:54.49 | Alethes | yeah |
| 01:54.52 | Alethes | long way to go |
| 01:54.59 | Alethes | haha |
| 01:55.17 | Alethes | the ones I did look like I know what I'm doing even? |
| 01:55.21 | Alethes | heh |
| 01:56.56 | Alethes | btw, the guy that did the originals doesn't work for redhat anymore, so it'll be interesting to see what happens with it |
| 01:57.42 | Alethes | I was looking at reinhardt lastnight, and I saw over 1000 icons in the actions :/ |
| 01:57.50 | Alethes | I wonder if bluecurve will ever be complete heh |
| 01:58.07 | canllaith | yikes lol |
| 01:58.30 | Alethes | thing is, crystal has to be complete, right? |
| 01:58.38 | canllaith | Yes |
| 01:58.48 | Alethes | if I do something for each crystal icon, that should be about as complete as it needs to be |
| 01:58.50 | canllaith | except lots of apps install their own icons that aren't in the base crystal |
| 01:58.54 | canllaith | but yeah :) |
| 01:59.02 | canllaith | interesting |
| 01:59.06 | canllaith | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `konq.css', needed by `all-am'. Stop. |
| 01:59.10 | canllaith | I guess create_makefiles should fix that |
| 01:59.14 | aseigo | crystal is fairly complete ... |
| 01:59.19 | canllaith | It is |
| 01:59.23 | Alethes | canllaith: yeah, I noticed kopete does that |
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| 01:59.30 | canllaith | but lots of apps that aren't in the core KDE distro install their own icons |
| 01:59.35 | aseigo | yes |
| 01:59.42 | Alethes | and everybody's using crystal :/ |
| 01:59.48 | canllaith | No |
| 01:59.49 | canllaith | not at all |
| 01:59.55 | Alethes | no? |
| 01:59.56 | canllaith | the konversation and amarok icons aren't overly crystally |
| 02:00.07 | Alethes | true |
| 02:00.38 | Alethes | I guess over time, I'll do bluecurve for everything |
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| 02:01.08 | aseigo | crystaleseque? |
| 02:02.32 | Alethes | I guess all I can do is try to come up with something for every crystal icon, release the theme and hope other people help me keep it up to date |
| 02:03.09 | aseigo | so you are filling in the gaps of the Red Hat icon theme, or.... |
| 02:03.21 | aseigo | ... doing a completely separate theme in the style of bluecurve? |
| 02:03.22 | Alethes | yep |
| 02:03.29 | Alethes | filling in the huge gaps |
| 02:03.37 | Alethes | gonna do a new kmenu icon, too, of course |
| 02:03.46 | Alethes | the redhat has to go |
| 02:04.02 | Alethes | I'm also considering making it less color scheme dependent |
| 02:04.13 | Alethes | with more neutral arrows, instead of the darkbluish/purple arrows |
| 02:05.34 | Alethes | aseigo: it seems that it should be possible and even easy to make kde's configs hide more of the options |
| 02:05.45 | Alethes | optionally, of course :) |
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| 02:06.16 | Alethes | of course, I'm speaking as a former gnomer |
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| 02:15.12 | frankenstein | heh |
| 02:15.17 | gregday | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.19 | gregday | *cough* |
| 02:15.35 | Alethes | heh |
| 02:15.55 | gregday | cant believe there hasnt been a flame over the new About stuff. what's wrong with you people |
| 02:16.06 | Alethes | new About stuff? |
| 02:16.16 | gregday | was just in some apps |
| 02:16.20 | gregday | but now added to kdeui |
| 02:16.48 | frankenstein | anyone know the easiest way to stop kde3.3.2 from loading all its bloat and just load neceesities its a poor lil 350Mhz with 64mb mem and it slows it to its knees |
| 02:17.50 | gregday | what do you consider necessities? |
| 02:17.54 | chavo | frankenstein, there's probably some things you can trim out, but man that machine is pathetic |
| 02:18.06 | chavo | what do you expect? |
| 02:18.42 | frankenstein | chavo, its for my daughter to play games like frozen-bubble and type and play on barbie.com |
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| 02:19.11 | chavo | frankenstein, No way to get more ram? |
| 02:19.33 | frankenstein | I suppose I could get some more |
| 02:19.55 | Alethes | I don't know why that machine wouldn't work as is |
| 02:20.10 | Alethes | just disable stuff like dropshadows on menus and showing window contents when moving/resizing |
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| 02:20.40 | frankenstein | in the kde setup wizard I set the special effects to nil |
| 02:20.44 | gregday | are the menu dropshadows going to be removed since they dont place nice with kompmgr? |
| 02:21.00 | chavo | 64M of ram is just not enough, a machine like that prob has a slow hardrive also, so swapping will be painful. |
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| 02:21.19 | shawn | hi |
| 02:21.27 | Alethes | you could always just use icewm and run the apps you want |
| 02:21.27 | frankenstein | was just wonderin if there was a way to tell kde to only load a bare minimum amount of apps |
| 02:21.37 | Alethes | you can make icewm look pretty nice |
| 02:21.42 | chavo | gregday, good question. Maybe they could disable the dropshadow when kompmgr is running. |
| 02:21.52 | shawn | hey |
| 02:22.02 | shawn | wheres the setting to change time formats to unix time |
| 02:22.10 | chavo | xfce is pretty nice also. |
| 02:22.23 | Alethes | yeah, xfce is nice, but the file manager sucks big time heh |
| 02:22.26 | frankenstein | Alethes, its not about looking nice she just needs 3 things she is only 7 1 game barbie.com and a typing tutor |
| 02:22.35 | shawn | wheres the setting to change time formats to unix time |
| 02:22.37 | frankenstein | would icewm be a better choice then |
| 02:22.43 | Alethes | yeah, definitely |
| 02:22.46 | Alethes | or xfce |
| 02:22.49 | Alethes | either one |
| 02:22.58 | frankenstein | k thanks Guys i will try em both out |
| 02:23.03 | chavo | frankenstein, yes I would recommend that also |
| 02:23.08 | frankenstein | thanks guys |
| 02:23.15 | Alethes | np |
| 02:23.34 | shawn | can someone help me |
| 02:23.41 | shawn | wheres the setting to change time formats to unix time |
| 02:23.41 | Alethes | with what? |
| 02:23.53 | shawn | that |
| 02:24.27 | shawn | i cant find it anymore |
| 02:24.35 | Alethes | no clue here |
| 02:24.42 | Alethes | oh wait |
| 02:24.45 | Alethes | hang on |
| 02:25.48 | Rockchops | I have a question about konversation :-) whats the diff between starting with "linux console" and "shell"? |
| 02:26.02 | shawn | notin much really |
| 02:26.09 | shawn | infact i dont think there is one |
| 02:26.16 | shawn | but there might be i dunno |
| 02:26.23 | Alethes | shawn: pref/regional and accessiblity/Time & Dates maybe? |
| 02:26.50 | shawn | hmmm |
| 02:27.03 | shawn | ok ill try kthx |
| 02:28.27 | shawn | nope |
| 02:28.54 | Alethes | see how you can specify the time format? |
| 02:29.02 | Alethes | I bet if you mess with that you can get what you want |
| 02:29.06 | shawn | prolly |
| 02:31.01 | shawn | well i guess ill bbl |
| 02:31.50 | Alethes | keramik sure is ugly |
| 02:32.22 | chavo | yes, who decided to make that default? |
| 02:32.36 | Alethes | no idea, but man, it's an eyesore |
| 02:32.53 | chavo | and those colors? |
| 02:33.10 | Alethes | hehe |
| 02:33.12 | chavo | plastik is default in 3.4 I believe. |
| 02:33.30 | Alethes | plastik is nicer |
| 02:33.45 | Alethes | I'm using Lipstik |
| 02:34.33 | chavo | I'm using QT-Curve , but I hacked some text shadows from Active-Heart into it. |
| 02:34.46 | Alethes | cool |
| 02:36.14 | Alethes | I think if I ever finish bluecurve, I'm gonna do gnome icons for kde |
| 02:36.42 | Alethes | bluecurve is kinda cool, 'cause it works well for kde and gnome apps both |
| 02:36.52 | Alethes | thing is, it's very task-based |
| 02:36.56 | chavo | that would be nice. I'm using gorilla right now because I miss the gnome icons |
| 02:37.03 | Alethes | meaning, it works well if you use one app per task |
| 02:37.23 | Alethes | yeah, I was actually thinking of using gorilla, but making it not so gorilla-ish |
| 02:37.31 | Alethes | the yellow is fine, but the apes have to go |
| 02:37.55 | Alethes | although, I'd probably make that a more neutral color |
| 02:38.11 | chavo | well I have Kool-Gorilla and it has blue accents instead of yellow |
| 02:38.20 | Alethes | yeah, I've seen that |
| 02:38.27 | Alethes | blue is getting old |
| 02:38.33 | Alethes | that's why I wanna make bluecurve more neutral |
| 02:38.47 | Alethes | mostly just the browser arrows that are bluish-purple |
| 02:39.08 | chavo | but blue goes with a lot of colors that work on a desktop. |
| 02:39.17 | Alethes | I always liked the color scheme for Simple |
| 02:39.19 | chavo | yeah that color is kinda wird |
| 02:39.27 | Alethes | I did a gtk theme called SmoothSimple |
| 02:39.33 | Alethes | hang on, I'll find a screenshot |
| 02:39.48 | chavo | yes simple color scheme is nice |
| 02:40.11 | Alethes | http://www.alethes.net/screenshots/SimpleSmooth.png |
| 02:40.43 | Alethes | I did this not long before I switched to kde |
| 02:40.43 | chavo | I made one with xfce-engine and smooth colors. |
| 02:40.48 | chavo | me too |
| 02:40.59 | Alethes | cool |
| 02:41.04 | chavo | I have a kde color scheme with simple colors in it also |
| 02:41.06 | Alethes | that's a nice engine |
| 02:41.15 | Alethes | me too haha |
| 02:41.26 | chavo | yes xfce-engine is real nice for gtk |
| 02:41.27 | Alethes | I couldn't find a decent icon theme to go with it though |
| 02:42.22 | Alethes | smooth is cool 'cause it's flexible |
| 02:42.23 | chavo | There's a version of stock gtk icons with blue arrows instead of green, real nice |
| 02:42.45 | Alethes | yeah, I dig that |
| 02:42.56 | chavo | http://2sdw.com/images/12_26.jpg that's xfce-simple |
| 02:44.00 | Alethes | I tried to make kde look like that SmoothSimple screenshot, but it wasn't working well |
| 02:44.05 | Alethes | mostly because of the icons |
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| 02:44.57 | chavo | http://2sdw.com/images/12_26.jpg qt-curve with simple color scheme |
| 02:45.10 | Alethes | I bet gorilla could be made to be nice and neutral |
| 02:45.44 | chavo | It's pretty neutral already |
| 02:45.48 | Alethes | isn't gorilla all svg, too? |
| 02:46.08 | Alethes | I'm not sure how complete gorilla is either |
| 02:46.28 | Alethes | yeah, I'm not crazy about the yellow though |
| 02:46.34 | Alethes | not sure whatelse I'd use :) |
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| 02:47.05 | chavo | get Kool.Gorilla it's all pngs |
| 02:47.20 | Alethes | I bet if it was possible to make kde look more like gnome (including the configs), gnome would lose a lot of users, because of kde's functionality |
| 02:48.06 | chavo | Outside of the icons, you can make kde look like gnome now. |
| 02:48.22 | Alethes | right |
| 02:48.24 | Alethes | but the icons are the biggest issue |
| 02:48.25 | chavo | I could never get into KDE because of the look. |
| 02:48.30 | Alethes | that's why I'm working so much on that |
| 02:48.37 | Alethes | the configs are so cluttered to me, too |
| 02:48.44 | chavo | gradient toolbars are yucky |
| 02:48.59 | Alethes | hehe |
| 02:48.59 | Alethes | crux has that |
| 02:49.06 | Alethes | I used crux for a long time |
| 02:49.12 | Alethes | I did a crux theme for icewm too |
| 02:50.02 | Alethes | I'm not sure why the kde devs feel like every option needs to be shown in the gui |
| 02:50.43 | chavo | The default for konq web browsing profile is different in 3.4 |
| 02:50.53 | chavo | a lot less stuff in the toolbars |
| 02:50.59 | Alethes | how is it different? |
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| 02:51.05 | Rockchops | i cant stand gnome 90% b/c of nautilus |
| 02:51.10 | Alethes | good |
| 02:51.15 | Alethes | heh |
| 02:51.25 | Alethes | nautilus is the pits |
| 02:51.31 | Alethes | I call it Lenny software |
| 02:51.37 | Alethes | after lenny from Of Mice and Men |
| 02:51.42 | Rockchops | oh |
| 02:51.44 | Alethes | y'know, the big dumb guy |
| 02:51.46 | Rockchops | i was thinking the simpsons |
| 02:51.47 | Rockchops | lol |
| 02:51.56 | Alethes | the one that had to be taken care of |
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| 02:52.34 | Alethes | nautilus and X are both like that |
| 02:52.50 | Rockchops | what is there besides X tho? |
| 02:52.51 | Alethes | everybody in the respective communities cater to their needs, but they're big and dumb |
| 02:53.07 | Alethes | not much heh |
| 02:53.22 | Rockchops | thought not |
| 02:54.18 | Alethes | I'd like to find a way to make konq as a file manager totally seperate from konq the browser |
| 02:54.32 | Alethes | not sure if it'd be possible though |
| 02:54.34 | Rockchops | I like the idea that they are one in the same |
| 02:54.53 | Rockchops | especally with the split wondow view thingy |
| 02:54.56 | chavo | I like it too |
| 02:55.07 | Rockchops | *window |
| 02:55.19 | Alethes | I don't like it, 'cause my web browser profile shows file views different from my file manager profile |
| 02:55.24 | Rockchops | except I use firefox all the time anywayheh |
| 02:55.34 | Alethes | that's just an example |
| 02:56.04 | Rockchops | any of you prefer konq to firefox? |
| 02:56.10 | chavo | It would be nice to have different views, also different icon zooms |
| 02:56.20 | Alethes | I was wondering lastnight if it'd be possible to do a view for konq that makes work well as an image viewer |
| 02:56.24 | Alethes | kinda like gthumb |
| 02:56.35 | chavo | Rockchops, I prefer konq |
| 02:56.39 | Alethes | I do too |
| 02:56.47 | Alethes | khtml is majorly fast |
| 02:56.48 | chavo | Alethes, have you tried gwenview? |
| 02:56.51 | aseigo | Alethes: there's one in 3.4.. could use some polishing but... |
| 02:56.52 | Alethes | no |
| 02:56.53 | Rockchops | how come? |
| 02:56.57 | Alethes | I've just tried kuickview |
| 02:57.01 | chavo | it's in kde-extragear |
| 02:57.37 | Alethes | don't have that port :/ |
| 02:57.41 | Alethes | gotta run for a bit |
| 02:57.45 | Alethes | bbl |
| 02:57.54 | chavo | later |
| 02:58.28 | chavo | Rockchops, I used to use firefox, but konq and khtml have improved so much lately. |
| 02:58.47 | chavo | plus it's just nice to have an app that uses native widgets |
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| 03:00.32 | Rockchops | ah. what's khtml? |
| 03:00.59 | AssociateX | how do you like this screenshot ---> http://img154.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img154&image=xtop9vl.gif |
| 03:01.37 | cinix | I can't get KOrganizer to export a file that's compatible to import into Evolution. I know this isn't a KDE problem, but I'm hoping someone might be familiar with some reason why programs would omit calendar entries when trying to import a ical or vcal file |
| 03:02.21 | aseigo | well, either the [iv]cal file is wrong, or the importing app is broken |
| 03:02.32 | chavo | Rockchops, khtml is the kde html rendering widget |
| 03:03.19 | Rockchops | ah cool |
| 03:03.20 | Rockchops | :) |
| 03:03.37 | chavo | AssociateX, looks nice, quite a mix there . |
| 03:03.50 | AssociateX | bb with kicker |
| 03:04.07 | AssociateX | and thank you |
| 03:06.17 | thiago | cinix: don't try to export. Tell Evolution to read KOrganizer's main iCal file. |
| 03:08.13 | aseigo | AssociateX: i just wish bb would get netwm finally |
| 03:08.41 | AssociateX | aseigo, what is netwm? |
| 03:09.07 | aseigo | the standardized window manager hints that allow the window manager and things like pagers, taskbars, system trays, etc work well together |
| 03:13.52 | cinix | thiago, I have done that. |
| 03:14.12 | cinix | It doesn't make a difference. |
| 03:14.36 | cinix | I was hoping to try to import it into another application to proove to myself it's Evolution, but I can't find anything else to import it into. |
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| 03:20.31 | canllaith | goddamn I hate ndiswrapper |
| 03:20.53 | slayerbob | let that be a lesson to you :P |
| 03:21.03 | canllaith | I thought 1.0 would be in some way an improvement over 0.11 |
| 03:21.05 | canllaith | Silly me |
| 03:21.42 | slayerbob | i thought i had 0.12 here... |
| 03:22.02 | canllaith | Not sure |
| 03:22.12 | canllaith | 0.11 is my favourite version since it is the only one that doesn't interfere with suspend/resume on dell |
| 03:22.19 | canllaith | I might have found 0.12 to be stable on holly |
| 03:22.23 | canllaith | dmesg | grep ndiswrapper will tell you |
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| 03:36.25 | canllaith | ooooh |
| 03:37.02 | canllaith | http://counter.li.org/ |
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| 03:37.28 | canllaith | Darn, we'd better inform the myriad religions that believe only 144,000 will get into heaven that it's already too full ;) |
| 03:37.41 | gregday_ | billdar? is that how one detects if they are near a Windows box? |
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| 03:39.40 | aseigo | hahaha.. billdar |
| 03:42.38 | dstambou | hrmm |
| 03:42.40 | dstambou | odd |
| 03:43.03 | slayerbob | aseigo being drunk is odd ? |
| 03:43.10 | dstambou | for some reason, using the internal player for kde sound system notifications doesn't seem to work? sending it to mplayer does though |
| 03:43.17 | dstambou | what is it using? arts I assume? |
| 03:43.19 | slayerbob | :P |
| 03:43.37 | aseigo | slayerbob: (psst, your line is, "well now, that is odd" |
| 03:43.54 | canllaith | I was just about to say that. |
| 03:43.55 | slayerbob | aseigo: indeed |
| 03:44.00 | slayerbob | am a little tired though :( |
| 03:44.10 | dstambou | 3 instances of artsd all owned by my user when I do 'ps aux', but for some reason the sound system notification wont work? |
| 03:44.14 | slayerbob | else you would not have escaped such an obvious opening :) |
| 03:44.42 | canllaith | dstambou: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/sound.html |
| 03:45.07 | aseigo | canllaith: slayerbob: heh.. that's it. you're both fired. |
| 03:45.39 | slayerbob | :P |
| 03:45.41 | dstambou | interesting, artsplay seems to work |
| 03:46.30 | aseigo | "she dances in a photograph when it was good to joke and have a laugh... but that was yesterday, if only today." |
| 03:46.32 | dstambou | no error messages, nothing, just works fine - but from sound system notifications - no sound at all |
| 03:46.35 | aseigo | great lyrics. |
| 03:46.53 | aseigo | dstambou: sounds like perhaps the knotify daemon got stuffed |
| 03:47.14 | dstambou | aseigo: anything I can check ? |
| 03:48.13 | dstambou | I remember something about this on b.k.o, trying to find it now though |
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| 03:50.29 | dstambou | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79924 |
| 03:50.32 | dstambou | that seems to be my problem |
| 03:52.29 | dstambou | or http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94918 |
| 03:53.06 | KillerDOC | anyone ever have problems with kontact kpilot and synching |
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| 04:19.30 | Marupa | hi, um, problem with konquerer, DNS is resolved, can open port 80, but no web pages can be loaded. |
| 04:20.19 | slayerbob | can you load pages with any other browsers such as firefox or links ? |
| 04:20.34 | Marupa | don't have another browser...what's links? |
| 04:20.44 | slayerbob | it is a clone of lynx |
| 04:20.53 | gregday_ | ha it is not! |
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| 04:20.55 | aseigo | well, a vastly improved lynx |
| 04:20.55 | slayerbob | which is a text-based browser |
| 04:20.58 | Borg^Queen | Hello Humans |
| 04:21.00 | gregday_ | it's like infinity billion times better |
| 04:21.05 | gregday_ | although ELinks is the best |
| 04:21.07 | aseigo | gregday_: or more |
| 04:21.08 | slayerbob | well... they cloned and then improved :P |
| 04:21.23 | Borg^Queen | Clones? |
| 04:21.25 | aseigo | gregday_: is elinks a fork or an independant devel? |
| 04:21.27 | aseigo | Borg^Queen: haha |
| 04:21.29 | Borg^Queen | Now we're talking |
| 04:21.29 | aseigo | Borg^Queen: never you mind |
| 04:21.31 | gregday_ | aseigo: fork, |
| 04:21.32 | slayerbob | in any case, practically speaking Marupa is likely to have links installed :) |
| 04:21.37 | Marupa | wtf? |
| 04:21.41 | gregday_ | aseigo: ELinks has tabbed browsing :) |
| 04:21.41 | Marupa | it works now... O.o |
| 04:21.53 | slayerbob | Marupa: try typing this at a terminal: links http://www.google.com |
| 04:22.12 | slayerbob | ah so problem solved then :) |
| 04:22.22 | slayerbob | man we are good |
| 04:22.24 | Borg^Queen | elinks? |
| 04:22.29 | Marupa | or not..... >.< |
| 04:22.33 | canllaith | links with tabs |
| 04:22.34 | Marupa | doing the terminal thing |
| 04:22.34 | canllaith | very cool |
| 04:22.38 | canllaith | I prefer links -g though |
| 04:22.40 | gregday_ | it has more stuff too... |
| 04:22.43 | slayerbob | all we had to do was argue about text-based browsers and konqueror got scared and worked :D |
| 04:22.44 | canllaith | links with graphics, frames & javascript |
| 04:22.50 | Marupa | links...command not found. |
| 04:23.00 | gregday_ | Marupa: ELinks is much superiorerorerer |
| 04:23.18 | canllaith | I don't think someone who is trying to get their konqi working cares too much :) |
| 04:23.19 | slayerbob | gregday_: links is often a symlink to elinks :) |
| 04:23.22 | Marupa | not found eitheer. |
| 04:23.34 | slayerbob | lynx perhaps Marupa ? |
| 04:23.38 | slayerbob | even wget ? |
| 04:23.39 | slayerbob | :P |
| 04:24.14 | canllaith | ping......... |
| 04:24.33 | slayerbob | i was thinking more of checking that port 80 was working :P |
| 04:24.45 | canllaith | ah |
| 04:24.46 | canllaith | :P |
| 04:24.51 | Marupa | lynx works. |
| 04:25.10 | Borg^Queen | what is elinks? |
| 04:25.14 | Marupa | (dunno if it's gonna connect, though) |
| 04:25.17 | Borg^Queen | A social disease? |
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| 04:25.26 | slayerbob | Borg^Queen: must be :) |
| 04:25.45 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 04:25.47 | slayerbob | i think the entire net is a social disease isn't it ? |
| 04:26.06 | Borg^Queen | Eeeeeww, |
| 04:26.14 | Marupa | it's just sitting there saying: Making HTTP connection to www.google.com |
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| 04:26.21 | Borg^Queen | Well only if you use whineDOH!s |
| 04:26.33 | slayerbob | Marupa: ok so it sounds like something outside of konqueror is causing the problem then :) |
| 04:26.45 | Marupa | if I telnet www.google.com 80 it works, though. |
| 04:26.47 | slayerbob | since otherwise it would be unlikely to affect lynx as well |
| 04:27.01 | slayerbob | Marupa: it is probably something to do with your firewall settings |
| 04:27.08 | Marupa | firewall's on DMZ. |
| 04:27.16 | slayerbob | er |
| 04:27.19 | slayerbob | i meant on your linux box... |
| 04:27.25 | slayerbob | type: iptables -L |
| 04:27.30 | slayerbob | and it will list the firewall rules... |
| 04:27.53 | Marupa | nothing listed. |
| 04:27.54 | BlackBsd | i was using menuedit to edit my start menu and when i saved, some things disappered, like the toys entry and the utilities entry, i cannot get to any program that was in those catagories. ? any one know how i can fix this |
| 04:27.56 | Borg^Queen | I need more nifty apps! |
| 04:28.16 | slayerbob | and what addiction is that ? |
| 04:28.20 | Marupa | mind a 8 line paste? |
| 04:28.25 | Borg^Queen | I collect apps and viruses |
| 04:28.36 | slayerbob | Marupa: use pastebin.com then paste the url into here |
| 04:28.43 | Marupa | um...can't? |
| 04:28.46 | Borg^Queen | slayerbob: didn't you stop eating paste? |
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| 04:28.54 | slayerbob | LOL Marupa :P |
| 04:28.59 | Marupa | >.< |
| 04:29.08 | slayerbob | Marupa: #flood |
| 04:29.11 | Borg^Queen | poor guy |
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| 04:29.21 | Marupa | sent |
| 04:29.30 | slayerbob | ok firewall looks standard |
| 04:29.37 | Marupa | thought so. |
| 04:29.39 | slayerbob | although i would make it a little more secure than it is :P |
| 04:29.48 | slayerbob | but not until you have konqueror working properly |
| 04:29.50 | Marupa | well, for now, I just want this to work. |
| 04:30.17 | Marupa | nothing on this computer but an 80GB hdd. |
| 04:30.19 | slayerbob | Marupa: what type of router are you using ? |
| 04:30.31 | Marupa | Actiontec GT701-WG |
| 04:30.37 | Marupa | router/modem |
| 04:31.10 | Marupa | Borg^Queen: All of my chocolate's on my laptop. |
| 04:31.11 | slayerbob | ok i do not know that one sorry |
| 04:31.18 | Borg^Queen | Oooh ok |
| 04:31.20 | Marupa | it's a Qwest modem. |
| 04:31.28 | slayerbob | again, don't know them :P |
| 04:31.30 | Borg^Queen | So you know a person without chocolate is a communist then |
| 04:31.50 | slayerbob | Marupa: do you have windows installed and if so does your web browser work in that ? |
| 04:31.56 | Marupa | yes, and yes. |
| 04:32.03 | canllaith | ipv6 ? |
| 04:32.04 | slayerbob | ok is not your router then :) |
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| 04:32.18 | Marupa | confusing problem, no? |
| 04:32.30 | slayerbob | so not netfilter, not router, not konqueror itself |
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| 04:32.36 | slayerbob | what site are you using to test it ? |
| 04:32.40 | Marupa | google |
| 04:32.59 | canllaith | ipv6?? |
| 04:33.06 | Marupa | hmm? |
| 04:33.30 | canllaith | http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/filemanager.html#id2873516 |
| 04:33.32 | slayerbob | are you using ipv6 or ipv4 ? |
| 04:33.37 | Marupa | no clue. |
| 04:33.53 | canllaith | sorry eatin with left hand |
| 04:33.54 | Marupa | I think it may be 6...don't know though. |
| 04:33.56 | slayerbob | ok you have an ipv4 address here |
| 04:34.01 | slayerbob | so i guess you are using v4 |
| 04:34.12 | canllaith | so cannot type lengthy explanations |
| 04:34.15 | Borg^Queen | canllaith: you're eating your left hand? |
| 04:34.18 | Borg^Queen | Wouldn't that only leave you with one? |
| 04:34.22 | canllaith | aye |
| 04:34.23 | aseigo | eating WITH left hand |
| 04:34.26 | canllaith | but i hungry : |
| 04:34.28 | Borg^Queen | oOOooh |
| 04:34.30 | canllaith | :( |
| 04:34.33 | canllaith | :P |
| 04:34.34 | Marupa | :D |
| 04:34.55 | canllaith | slayerbob: i still do every now and then |
| 04:35.04 | slayerbob | lol |
| 04:35.07 | canllaith | just so i can assert moral superiority |
| 04:35.09 | Borg^Queen | Ooh my |
| 04:35.18 | Marupa | any ideas, slayerbob? |
| 04:35.26 | canllaith | when i go 'bah, you children havr filthy minds' |
| 04:35.27 | aseigo | superior-what? |
| 04:35.39 | slayerbob | Marupa: well what we need to do is figure out what is happening to the packets |
| 04:35.39 | Borg^Queen | aseigo: we don't need to know lol |
| 04:35.46 | canllaith | aseigo: a word not in your vocabulary ;) |
| 04:35.47 | slayerbob | do you have tcpdump installed ? |
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| 04:35.53 | Marupa | don't think so. |
| 04:35.54 | slayerbob | or something like ethereal ? |
| 04:36.08 | Marupa | this is a fresh install of Mandrake, first disc only. |
| 04:36.24 | Marupa | mandrake 10.1 |
| 04:36.34 | canllaith | and other browsers -do- work? |
| 04:36.36 | slayerbob | don't know mandrake sorry |
| 04:36.39 | Borg^Queen | How do you like it so far Marupa ? |
| 04:36.40 | slayerbob | no they don't |
| 04:36.49 | Marupa | dunno, having problem after problem. |
| 04:36.52 | slayerbob | the only other browser that Marupa has is lynx and it does not work |
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| 04:36.57 | canllaith | ok |
| 04:36.58 | Marupa | (first problem was tiny problems.) |
| 04:37.02 | Borg^Queen | Hm Oooh you can't access web sites? |
| 04:37.03 | Marupa | (er fonts) |
| 04:37.04 | canllaith | look at |
| 04:37.06 | slayerbob | Marupa: is your chat on the mandrake box ? |
| 04:37.10 | Marupa | yep |
| 04:37.16 | Marupa | using gaim on mandrake right now. |
| 04:37.18 | slayerbob | ok so internet itself is fine :) |
| 04:37.24 | canllaith | Marupa: http://people.fruitsalad.org/phil/kde/userguide-tng/troubleshooting.html#troubleshooting-network-x |
| 04:37.28 | canllaith | woth a look at |
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| 04:37.35 | canllaith | worth* |
| 04:37.37 | Marupa | timeed out. |
| 04:37.40 | slayerbob | and indeed if he had a working browser he could look at it :) |
| 04:37.41 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 04:37.45 | canllaith | of course, you poor sod |
| 04:37.45 | canllaith | I suck |
| 04:37.46 | Borg^Queen | That left hand thing eh canllaith |
| 04:37.47 | canllaith | ok |
| 04:37.50 | canllaith | what's in your /etc/hosts |
| 04:38.07 | Marupa | no such directory |
| 04:38.12 | Borg^Queen | Marupa: MDK has a firewall wizard. Try using that |
| 04:38.14 | canllaith | tis a file |
| 04:38.16 | slayerbob | it is a file... |
| 04:38.33 | canllaith | aye finished sandwich tyvm it was yummy :) |
| 04:38.34 | unperson | I'm looking for an app that I think is a KDE app. It's for monitoring wireless signal strength and you can set it to beep to indicate signal strength. Anyone know the one I'm talking about? |
| 04:38.35 | Borg^Queen | o0 |
| 04:38.45 | canllaith | unperson: mmm is it knemo by any chance? |
| 04:38.51 | Borg^Queen | unperson: check kde-apps.org |
| 04:38.56 | canllaith | which reminds me I should build that |
| 04:39.06 | slayerbob | yes please :) |
| 04:39.07 | Marupa | 127.0.0.1 bashir.net bashir localhost |
| 04:39.11 | slayerbob | and then install on holly :P |
| 04:39.14 | canllaith | hmmm |
| 04:39.18 | canllaith | should localhost be on that line? |
| 04:39.24 | canllaith | Usually I'd have a seperate line for localhost is all |
| 04:39.34 | unperson | canllaith, Hmm...doesn't ring a bell. |
| 04:39.38 | slayerbob | i have two separate lines |
| 04:39.41 | canllaith | aye |
| 04:39.50 | canllaith | I have |
| 04:39.53 | canllaith | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 04:39.57 | canllaith | 192.168.0.1 hal.btl hal (static) |
| 04:40.02 | canllaith | ignore the (static) |
| 04:40.06 | canllaith | just typing this in from a tutorial |
| 04:40.10 | Marupa | ah |
| 04:40.11 | slayerbob | on mine both lines are 127.0.0.1 |
| 04:40.16 | canllaith | oh god I should probably take 'btl' out of KDE documentation |
| 04:40.18 | Marupa | so edit it to 'match'? |
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| 04:40.25 | canllaith | and yeah if you don't have a static IP you can make it 127.0.0.1 |
| 04:40.45 | Borg^Queen | What? |
| 04:41.10 | xevix | hello? |
| 04:41.16 | Marupa | ok, now that that's updated, now what? |
| 04:41.21 | canllaith | try again |
| 04:41.21 | Borg^Queen | xevix: hello |
| 04:41.32 | slayerbob | xevix: not a good idea to use irc while logged in as root :P |
| 04:41.37 | Marupa | still times in. |
| 04:41.39 | Marupa | er...out |
| 04:41.40 | xevix | yes.... i got banned from #fluxbox |
| 04:41.41 | Marupa | >.< |
| 04:41.44 | canllaith | ok then |
| 04:41.46 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 04:41.50 | xevix | but my question kinda spans across window managers anyway..... |
| 04:41.53 | Borg^Queen | xevix: why? |
| 04:41.55 | canllaith | what happens if you do something like 'host www.google.co.nz' |
| 04:41.55 | xevix | so i can ask you guys the same thing |
| 04:41.59 | xevix | here goes: |
| 04:42.11 | xevix | root can programs, a regular user can't.... any ideas? |
| 04:42.15 | canllaith | Borg^Queen: irc'in as root gets you instantly banned from most irc channels |
| 04:42.15 | xevix | *can run |
| 04:42.18 | Marupa | bash: host: command not found. |
| 04:42.22 | canllaith | xevix: permissions! |
| 04:42.25 | xevix | did that |
| 04:42.28 | canllaith | oh man, mandrake sucks soo much |
| 04:42.28 | xevix | no go |
| 04:42.30 | canllaith | what do you mean 'did that' |
| 04:42.35 | canllaith | permissions not actually being a verb |
| 04:43.03 | xevix | chown -R xevix:users /home/xevix |
| 04:43.05 | xevix | something like that |
| 04:43.08 | canllaith | uhuh |
| 04:43.11 | brucehoult | but "repermissions" is |
| 04:43.11 | Marupa | oddest part is, the internet worked this morning...but not any more. |
| 04:43.13 | canllaith | when you try to run a program from a terminal |
| 04:43.21 | canllaith | Marupa: cat /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 04:43.27 | canllaith | You're on freenode on the same machine or a different one? |
| 04:43.27 | slayerbob | Marupa: what have you changed since then ? |
| 04:43.37 | canllaith | xevix: at any rate when you try to run a program what happens |
| 04:43.37 | Marupa | search domain.actdsltmp local |
| 04:43.37 | Marupa | nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 04:43.38 | Marupa | nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 04:43.38 | Marupa | nameserver 205.171.3.65 |
| 04:43.39 | Marupa | nothing. |
| 04:43.41 | canllaith | and when you say run a program |
| 04:43.43 | slayerbob | ah |
| 04:43.44 | xevix | canllaith, it just doesn't come up |
| 04:43.52 | canllaith | xevix: can you execute your login shell |
| 04:43.58 | canllaith | and can you start X and run apps from the command line? |
| 04:43.58 | slayerbob | Marupa: try removing the first two entries from your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:43.58 | xevix | canllaith, except for konqueror, after i tell it "ignore" when it asks for a root password to run... |
| 04:44.03 | canllaith | um |
| 04:44.20 | Marupa | the second entry is the gateway, however, to my router/modem. |
| 04:44.21 | xevix | canllaith, when i try bringing up konsole, it comes up.... with a blank cursor, but doesn't show bash shell |
| 04:44.26 | canllaith | No, I am asking you |
| 04:44.27 | xevix | everything else just refuses to open |
| 04:44.29 | canllaith | if you can execute your login shell |
| 04:44.36 | canllaith | and if you can run apps from the command line, outside of the X windowing system |
| 04:44.36 | xevix | login from console? |
| 04:44.39 | canllaith | Yes |
| 04:44.43 | Borg^Queen | ANARCHY! |
| 04:44.48 | xevix | yeah, believe i can |
| 04:44.50 | canllaith | If so, I'd suggest reading this: http://people.fruitsalad.org/phil/kde/userguide-tng/troubleshooting.html#troubleshooting-network-x |
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| 04:44.56 | xevix | with the exception of screen for some mysterious reason |
| 04:45.01 | canllaith | Assuming you can get to it as root or something to read it :P |
| 04:45.01 | xevix | ok.... i'll read that |
| 04:45.02 | xevix | thanks |
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| 04:45.11 | canllaith | (it's pretty short.) |
| 04:45.13 | Marupa | first two lines, as in search, and nameserver, or two of the nameservers/ |
| 04:45.14 | xevix | you guys are much better than #fluxbox ^^ |
| 04:45.29 | canllaith | awwww feel the love |
| 04:45.29 | canllaith | ;) |
| 04:45.34 | hypercooljake | where do i get kdelibs? i need it ot compile a theme |
| 04:45.36 | Borg^Queen | xevix: we rock |
| 04:45.40 | slayerbob | Marupa: did not see the search line, but get rid of any search lines and any local nameserver lines |
| 04:45.52 | slayerbob | that way your dns should look the same as in window |
| 04:45.54 | slayerbob | *windows |
| 04:46.01 | Marupa | 192.168.0.1 isn't local though.... |
| 04:46.03 | canllaith | hypercooljake: download.kde.org ....... but I don't think that is actually what you want |
| 04:46.04 | slayerbob | so you can exclude it as a possibility |
| 04:46.07 | Borg^Queen | xevix: We do much better when given chocolate and cheesecake |
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| 04:46.13 | Marupa | .4 is this comp. |
| 04:46.15 | slayerbob | Marupa: 192.168.0.1 had better be local :) |
| 04:46.15 | xevix | =D |
| 04:46.25 | canllaith | hypercooljake: I think you probably want kde headers, yes? |
| 04:46.26 | Marupa | .1 is the router itself. |
| 04:46.28 | slayerbob | well... same network in any case :) |
| 04:46.34 | hypercooljake | this is the error: checking if UIC has KDE plugins available... configure: error: not found - you need to install kdelibs first. |
| 04:46.38 | slayerbob | Marupa: routers on the same network are local :P |
| 04:46.45 | canllaith | hypercooljake: are you already using KDE ? |
| 04:46.49 | hypercooljake | yes |
| 04:46.55 | canllaith | Then you have KDE libs. |
| 04:46.55 | Marupa | so only the last line, then? |
| 04:47.02 | slayerbob | Marupa: yuppers |
| 04:47.06 | canllaith | When you ./configure, do you do it as a user or as root? |
| 04:47.14 | Marupa | and then retry, or anything else I need to check? |
| 04:47.15 | hypercooljake | user |
| 04:47.22 | canllaith | ok |
| 04:47.23 | slayerbob | Marupa: then after that try host www.google.com |
| 04:47.23 | canllaith | try it with |
| 04:47.30 | slayerbob | from a terminal |
| 04:47.32 | canllaith | ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` |
| 04:47.34 | xevix | ok well, the launcher must obviously be working, as the root user can easily pop open any application. it's just any other user that can't run anything except for konqueror, after clicking "ignore" to needing to log in as root... |
| 04:47.35 | canllaith | note the backticks there :) |
| 04:47.40 | Marupa | command not found. |
| 04:47.52 | slayerbob | erm |
| 04:48.00 | canllaith | hypercooljake:also make sure you have a high enough minimum KDE version to install that theme |
| 04:48.01 | slayerbob | Marupa: try nslookup www.google.com |
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| 04:48.13 | Marupa | command not found |
| 04:48.27 | slayerbob | Marupa: ping www.google.com |
| 04:48.40 | Marupa | 63.3ms |
| 04:48.54 | slayerbob | ok so it resolves the address correctly then :) |
| 04:49.03 | canllaith | so DNS is working.... |
| 04:49.08 | canllaith | slayerbob: 63ms pings to google |
| 04:49.08 | canllaith | lol |
| 04:49.11 | xevix | have you ever seen anything in a faq/forum about this? (cuz i can't think of a good name for a topic to search for...) |
| 04:49.14 | Borg^Queen | jealous of? |
| 04:49.19 | canllaith | xevix: you're not giving us enough information mate |
| 04:49.28 | Marupa | I used to get 33ms pings.... |
| 04:49.28 | slayerbob | yeah i know - is pretty quick :( |
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| 04:49.35 | Esuirin | hi friends |
| 04:49.35 | canllaith | What distro, who are you logged in as, has it always done this ? |
| 04:49.36 | Marupa | >.> |
| 04:49.38 | canllaith | Is this a fresh install? |
| 04:49.41 | Esuirin | where can i get openoffice 1.1.4 for kde? |
| 04:49.45 | canllaith | Have you upgraded your kernel or any hardware recently? |
| 04:49.52 | Borg^Queen | 1.1.4? |
| 04:49.53 | xevix | canllaith, what more do you want to know? |
| 04:49.54 | Borg^Queen | Kool |
| 04:50.00 | canllaith | slayerbob: given that I had 8500ms pings to the wireless router on the shelf beside me this morning |
| 04:50.02 | canllaith | I'm very jealous. |
| 04:50.05 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 04:50.10 | Marupa | ouch |
| 04:50.10 | canllaith | xevix: actual information that could help solve the actual problem. |
| 04:50.12 | slayerbob | what did bruce buy ? |
| 04:50.16 | slayerbob | for the ap i mean :P |
| 04:50.18 | canllaith | dunno but it crashed lol |
| 04:50.21 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 04:50.25 | canllaith | something much much more expensive than ours |
| 04:50.29 | canllaith | with flashy antennas and stuff |
| 04:50.30 | Marupa | so, what else can you think of to get it to work? |
| 04:50.30 | slayerbob | :P |
| 04:50.38 | brucehoult | yeah but now that it's rebooted pings to gateway are 20 mS |
| 04:50.38 | slayerbob | best one seems to be that trendnet one so far |
| 04:50.43 | sarah03 | Ouch. It shouldn't take 8 seconds to ping something 20 feet away from you. |
| 04:50.46 | slayerbob | 20 ? |
| 04:50.48 | Marupa | puh....works for now... |
| 04:50.49 | slayerbob | that's pretty high |
| 04:50.50 | xevix | canllaith, right but... which information exactly? i mean, i don't know what could be causing this, but i know that it spans across window managers, i get the same thing happening in fluxbox for example |
| 04:50.52 | brucehoult | ... including a hop over the wireless |
| 04:50.52 | canllaith | sarah03: it's not even 20 feet :| |
| 04:51.05 | canllaith | xevix: I already gave you a long list of things that could help us troubleshoot this |
| 04:51.16 | slayerbob | brucehoult: i get 1.5ms for the same ping :) |
| 04:51.21 | xevix | canllaith, that long list was about 2 pages of stuff...... and not very much at that ^^ |
| 04:51.29 | slayerbob | and we have our cheapest and most crappy ap here :P |
| 04:51.31 | canllaith | xevix: and you have not answered me |
| 04:51.33 | brucehoult | yeah but you're 350 km closer... |
| 04:51.40 | slayerbob | bah :P |
| 04:51.42 | canllaith | distro, $USER, kde version, etc etc |
| 04:51.52 | canllaith | kernel version, have you recently upgraded your kernel kde or your network |
| 04:52.00 | xevix | gentoo, $XEVIX, 3.3.2 |
| 04:52.03 | canllaith | has this always happened from a fresh install or did it just happen one day |
| 04:52.11 | BlackBsd | could anyone help with my problem with my kmenu entries, i have some that just disappered!! |
| 04:52.15 | xevix | this happened just this install |
| 04:52.22 | canllaith | Then you're best to ask #gentoo |
| 04:52.27 | Marupa | um, ok, now then, got a few more questions.... |
| 04:52.30 | xevix | they're very........ quiet there |
| 04:52.35 | xevix | i've already asked once every hour for 5 hours |
| 04:52.37 | Borg^Queen | BlackBsd: check in your /home/user/.kde dir |
| 04:52.38 | canllaith | if it happens across all winndow managers it definitely is not a KDE related problem (which is cool, you can still ask here) |
| 04:52.44 | canllaith | but gentoo ? |
| 04:52.54 | canllaith | I'd rather smack my head against the wall, it's more productive ;) |
| 04:53.00 | Marupa | whenever I log in, my sound card comes up with an error to the effect of cannot initialize card. |
| 04:53.01 | xevix | ok here's the thing |
| 04:53.03 | BlackBsd | i did i think the file lookes like xml |
| 04:53.05 | canllaith | Troubleshooting gentoo problems is quite frankly painful |
| 04:53.08 | xevix | i had gentoo working with everything beautifully for 4 months |
| 04:53.11 | anis[x] | what player to play *asf extension ? |
| 04:53.17 | xevix | then one day i was a smartass and tried experimental packages, so i had to reinstall the system |
| 04:53.19 | canllaith | heh |
| 04:53.20 | BlackBsd | what issues with gentoo are we having?? |
| 04:53.24 | BlackBsd | its not that bad |
| 04:53.27 | hypercooljake | xevix: what problem are you having |
| 04:53.31 | canllaith | No, but the newbies that use it are |
| 04:53.36 | slayerbob | anis[x]: xine works fine with .asf so long as you have the codecs installed |
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| 04:53.49 | xevix | in any given window manager, i can programs as root, but not as a user |
| 04:53.54 | canllaith | and often it's highly distro specific that only another gentoo user can help them with. |
| 04:53.56 | xevix | i have set the path variable correctly, i have checked already |
| 04:54.00 | anis[x] | slayerbob: thanks uncle bob |
| 04:54.08 | Borg^Queen | well good night/day/regenerative period to all |
| 04:54.08 | slayerbob | >.< |
| 04:54.10 | xevix | *can run |
| 04:54.11 | Marupa | any way to get my sound card to work? sound blaster 16 AWE. |
| 04:54.16 | slayerbob | nite Borg^Queen |
| 04:54.18 | canllaith | I think it's the gentoo kde cvs ebuilds that really set my teeth on edge about gentoo :) |
| 04:54.20 | xevix | night Borg^Queen |
| 04:54.28 | Marupa | night Borg^Queen |
| 04:54.29 | Borg^Queen | night slayerbob |
| 04:54.33 | canllaith | and make me cringe every time I hear the word |
| 04:54.33 | xevix | i don't think i'm using cvs |
| 04:54.35 | canllaith | night borgy! |
| 04:54.36 | Borg^Queen | night xevix welcome aboard |
| 04:54.37 | xevix | i'm staying the hell away from 3.4 |
| 04:54.40 | Borg^Queen | Marupa: |
| 04:54.40 | xevix | heh, thanks |
| 04:54.41 | canllaith | xevix: lol no you're not. So that's cool. |
| 04:54.41 | BlackBsd | anyways, Borg^Queen; my toys and utilities entries are gone. is there a way to replace these items. |
| 04:54.46 | Borg^Queen | Nite canllaith |
| 04:54.51 | canllaith | :) |
| 04:54.57 | Borg^Queen | BlackBsd: look in ... |
| 04:55.01 | Borg^Queen | one sec |
| 04:55.26 | Borg^Queen | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.29 | xevix | hah, this is one of the bigger problems i'm dealing with right now |
| 04:55.39 | xevix | the other big problem is an alsa thing, but i'm sure i can figure that out sooner or later |
| 04:55.44 | Borg^Queen | Depending on your distro it will be in there somwhere |
| 04:55.49 | canllaith | erm |
| 04:55.51 | Borg^Queen | applinks usually |
| 04:55.53 | canllaith | actually that's not the case |
| 04:56.02 | canllaith | Sorry |
| 04:56.06 | hypercooljake | xevix: so you cant run any programs as a normal user? |
| 04:56.19 | BlackBsd | ok are u talking about the kdemenurc file |
| 04:56.19 | hypercooljake | canllaith: i get the same error doing what you suggested |
| 04:56.19 | canllaith | but the personally customised menu is actually in ~/.config/menus |
| 04:56.24 | xevix | except for konqueror, after it says "log in as root" and i click "ignore" |
| 04:56.32 | BlackBsd | under .kde/share/config/ |
| 04:56.43 | Borg^Queen | BlackBsd: nope the actually simlinks |
| 04:56.44 | canllaith | BlackBsd: your customised menu if you have used kmenu edit is in ~/.config/menus/ |
| 04:56.44 | hypercooljake | xevix: does it do that for every user? or just certain ones |
| 04:56.49 | canllaith | Borg^Queen: no that's not right |
| 04:56.53 | Borg^Queen | Oh ok |
| 04:56.53 | xevix | hypercooljake, all users, except root |
| 04:56.57 | Borg^Queen | That's how I do it |
| 04:57.04 | xevix | i'll create a new user |
| 04:57.07 | canllaith | Borg^Queen: you're using an ancient KDE version. It's not the case. |
| 04:57.07 | xevix | and test again |
| 04:57.10 | xevix | to see if something has gone strange |
| 04:57.14 | hypercooljake | whats groups are your users in? |
| 04:57.25 | Borg^Queen | Ooh ok |
| 04:57.32 | canllaith | BlackBsd: You can try renaming that file to something else and running kbuildsycoca |
| 04:57.34 | xevix | wheel, games, audio.... uhhh, i'd have to check the list, hold on |
| 04:57.37 | canllaith | That will give you the default menu |
| 04:57.47 | Borg^Queen | Anyway good night..... |
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| 04:58.23 | Marupa | anyone get my question about my sound card? |
| 04:58.30 | canllaith | Try #alsa |
| 04:58.45 | canllaith | tis prolly easy to set up though if you go to the alsa project homepage and have a squiz at their documentation |
| 04:58.51 | hypercooljake | canllaith: have any other suggestions to get this theme to compile? ive got a high enough version of kde |
| 04:59.13 | canllaith | hypercooljake: Dunno what distro are you using, but do you have kde and qt -devel packages installed |
| 04:59.14 | canllaith | ? |
| 04:59.41 | hypercooljake | i dont think i have the devel packages. im using gentoo |
| 04:59.56 | canllaith | Ok gentoo seperates runtime and devel libraries |
| 05:00.02 | BlackBsd | canllaith; thanx, that kida worked, i mean i got some menu items back but it is no longer customized. where can i find info on kbuildsycoca |
| 05:00.07 | canllaith | then you'll need to install -devel type packages |
| 05:00.21 | canllaith | BlackBsd: Yes, I told you that resets to the default menu |
| 05:00.43 | canllaith | As far as adding directories back to your old menu, you can basically do it by hand and that's the only way I know of :) |
| 05:00.54 | xevix | hmmmmmm |
| 05:00.58 | canllaith | sorry s/gentoo/if gentoo/ |
| 05:00.59 | xevix | i'm gonna go try some things i just read about ^^ |
| 05:01.02 | xevix | i'll be around |
| 05:01.05 | BlackBsd | thanx |
| 05:01.05 | canllaith | (I don't actually have a clue what gentoo does) |
| 05:01.14 | canllaith | I think |
| 05:01.18 | canllaith | kmenueditor could really use a work over |
| 05:01.24 | canllaith | a 'restore to defaults' would be kinda cool |
| 05:01.28 | canllaith | and a 'merge with defaults' |
| 05:01.31 | BlackBsd | hypercooljake; are you having problems with gentoo, |
| 05:01.54 | BlackBsd | true |
| 05:02.32 | BlackBsd | i like how gentoo gives use flags when compinling software, like kde and stuff like.. |
| 05:02.49 | Marupa | um, so, now that my internet is working properly, if I'm going to run an FTP server, HTTP server, and a few other servers as well, what should be up on my firewall? |
| 05:03.03 | canllaith | mmmmm I have to wonder about it not having xinerama support in QT by default |
| 05:03.10 | canllaith | That's a bit silly |
| 05:03.17 | BlackBsd | where can i find out what comprizes the "default menu items" |
| 05:03.25 | canllaith | heh um |
| 05:03.30 | canllaith | that's fairly intricate |
| 05:03.36 | canllaith | we're in the process of writing documentation about the kmenu |
| 05:03.54 | canllaith | basically it follows the freedesktop.org standard |
| 05:03.58 | canllaith | but... it's kinda complex |
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| 05:04.13 | canllaith | As soon as we actually understand how it works we'll be glad to pass that info on ;) |
| 05:04.14 | canllaith | bbs:P |
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| 05:04.44 | BlackBsd | any way i could lend a hand |
| 05:04.47 | BlackBsd | ? |
| 05:05.08 | BlackBsd | i guess look at the kmenu code ha? |
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| 05:07.34 | aseigo | BlackBsd: etc/xdg/menus/ |
| 05:07.42 | aseigo | under `kde-config --prefix` |
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| 05:08.00 | aseigo | you'll find menu files there.. they reference properties found in the application .desktop files |
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| 05:09.13 | BlackBsd | aseigo, i have no /etc/kdg/ |
| 05:09.23 | aseigo | etc/xdg |
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| 05:10.11 | straw | xevix: um, you're root. bad idea |
| 05:10.21 | arrummzen | Can I configure Konqueror to be able to edit text files? |
| 05:10.43 | AssociateX | arrummzen, kwrite does that for you |
| 05:10.46 | aseigo | arrummzen: edit them? no, it's just a viewer.. but you can open the editor from konqi |
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| 05:11.05 | xevix | straw, it's not for long.... i'm about to post in the gentoo forums for help with my situation, and then go back to knoppix ='( |
| 05:11.26 | BlackBsd | aseigo, sorry to ask again, where is the etc target. could you give me an example full path. |
| 05:11.28 | arrummzen | It would be nice if I could use konqueror like I use emacs... |
| 05:11.45 | aseigo | `kde-config --prefix`/etc/xdg/menus/ |
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| 05:15.06 | xevian | fancy that........... it IS the user that's f'ing with things |
| 05:15.10 | xevian | lord only knows how =/ |
| 05:15.24 | xevian | oh well |
| 05:16.27 | straw | gotta love the pebkac :) |
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| 05:17.09 | slayerbob | :D |
| 05:17.14 | canllaith | mmm |
| 05:17.53 | canllaith | knemo not working :( |
| 05:20.10 | slayerbob | there is a kde cat ? |
| 05:20.22 | canllaith | erm ? |
| 05:20.35 | slayerbob | isn't nemo usually a cat ? |
| 05:20.59 | slayerbob | i heard a disturbing rumour that wellington airport is closed :( |
| 05:21.25 | AssociateX | bye |
| 05:21.28 | *** part/#kde AssociateX (~SouthBoun@24-117-138-21.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 05:21.57 | canllaith | it was two days ago |
| 05:21.58 | canllaith | fog |
| 05:22.01 | canllaith | I doubt it is today |
| 05:22.04 | slayerbob | ah ok |
| 05:22.12 | slayerbob | just so long as it is open on monday :) |
| 05:22.16 | canllaith | :) |
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| 05:25.59 | canllaith | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/04/reboot_tablet_xp/ |
| 05:30.24 | straw | that's just pathetic |
| 05:32.07 | aseigo | s,pathetic,what we've come to expect, |
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| 05:34.54 | pembo13 | is it possible to find out what track (mp3) is playing in kplayer , via a script of course |
| 05:35.41 | eille-la | maybe via dcop |
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| 05:35.55 | pembo13 | and dcop is script accesible? |
| 05:36.11 | eille-la | yes, if the script can execute the "dcop" bin |
| 05:36.23 | pembo13 | ok cool, i shall google dcop |
| 05:36.49 | eille-la | or try executing "dcop" in your console |
| 05:36.57 | canllaith | panelbutton.cpp:795: error: `showMouseOverEffects' undeclared (first use this |
| 05:36.57 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.58 | canllaith | aseigo: what is the go with this? |
| 05:37.14 | pembo13 | # dcop |
| 05:37.14 | aseigo | rm core/kickerSettings* |
| 05:37.15 | pembo13 | ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server! |
| 05:37.33 | aseigo | pembo13: running as a different user or over ssh? |
| 05:38.09 | pembo13 | aseigo: my appologies, i used an sshed term instead of a local term |
| 05:38.18 | aseigo | pembo13: welcome to security. |
| 05:38.19 | pembo13 | i got a return list of what looks like running apps |
| 05:38.28 | pembo13 | aseigo: i like security |
| 05:38.37 | aseigo | yep. those would be running apps =) |
| 05:38.46 | aseigo | now do `dcop <one othose apps>` |
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| 05:39.12 | canllaith | aseigo: do you have any idea how I can fix that? :( |
| 05:39.24 | xevix | well canllaith making a new user has resolved the issues |
| 05:39.29 | canllaith | xevix: ok then |
| 05:39.31 | xevix | now i just can't open xterm or konsole as a user, lol, but no biggie |
| 05:39.32 | aseigo | canllaith: rm core/kickerSettings* |
| 05:39.32 | canllaith | so when you reinstalled gentoo |
| 05:39.33 | xevix | now i'm unbanned in fluxbox |
| 05:39.35 | xevix | and i can ask around |
| 05:39.40 | canllaith | aseigo: oh :$ |
| 05:40.04 | xevix | note to self: when reinstalling an OS, create a new user with same name as old user, and slowly but surely copy neceessary files over |
| 05:40.09 | canllaith | OH |
| 05:40.11 | xevix | else conflicts occur and shit goes wrong >< |
| 05:40.15 | canllaith | xevix: you are a goose |
| 05:40.16 | aseigo | OH? |
| 05:40.19 | xevix | =p |
| 05:40.22 | xevix | i was trying to be lazy |
| 05:40.24 | xevix | it didn't work |
| 05:40.25 | canllaith | you needed to tell us that user and it home dir was froma previous install |
| 05:40.25 | pembo13 | aseigo: i dcoped one kplayer, and i've gotten what looks like a list of public objects |
| 05:40.28 | canllaith | you -really- needed to tell us that |
| 05:40.30 | canllaith | lol |
| 05:40.35 | xevix | lol |
| 05:40.43 | xevix | well, now konsole is having that issue still so.... |
| 05:40.45 | xevix | any ideas? |
| 05:40.49 | aseigo | pembo13: you're good at this game! =) no do `dcop kplayer <one of those object>` |
| 05:40.54 | xevix | it'll pop up... and have a cursor... but not bin/bash or anything |
| 05:40.56 | aseigo | s,no do,now do, |
| 05:41.57 | pembo13 | aseigo: tsk tsk tsk, these devs have thouhght of everything, now all I need to do is find which object has the string of the playing song right? |
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| 05:43.13 | pembo13 | aseigo: is there a way I can cat all the values and grep it to find where it should be? or do I have to search manually? |
| 05:43.21 | aseigo | pembo13: yep. in fact there's a standard interface for that... |
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| 05:43.32 | Borg^Queen | Hey I have question. I want to add a hd to one of my systems. The drive is currently a vphat. I want to reformat it to use ext3. How do I do that? |
| 05:43.45 | aseigo | cat all values? you mean in ALL objects for an app? hrm... you could write up a little script that did that |
| 05:44.18 | canllaith | mke2fs -j /dev/hd'n' |
| 05:45.08 | Borg^Queen | Tanks |
| 05:45.08 | pembo13 | aseigo: short of writing a script, any suggestions on how to pin point the string that I'm looking for? |
| 05:45.18 | aseigo | pembo13: common sense =) |
| 05:45.24 | Borg^Queen | mke2? |
| 05:45.25 | aseigo | pembo13: nothing overly useful |
| 05:45.28 | Borg^Queen | Not 3 |
| 05:45.34 | canllaith | lol |
| 05:45.47 | canllaith | e3 = e2 + j |
| 05:46.02 | Borg^Queen | oh |
| 05:46.09 | pembo13 | aseigo: ok cool: how do i dcop to 'QCStringList interfaces()' the space and () seem to mess thigns up |
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| 05:46.40 | aseigo | just interfaces ... don't put the () |
| 05:46.42 | Borg^Queen | ok so it's mke2=j /dev/the damn drive? |
| 05:46.50 | Borg^Queen | Oops + |
| 05:47.07 | pembo13 | aseigo: just found that (trial and error) |
| 05:47.27 | aseigo | pembo13: and for parameters, you just put them in a list on the command line... |
| 05:47.42 | aseigo | dcop app obj call param1 param2 ... |
| 05:48.25 | canllaith | have a look at the man page for mkfs |
| 05:48.30 | pembo13 | aseigo: hmm, i tried `man dcop` shoudl have tried dcop --help |
| 05:48.37 | pembo13 | aseigo: no man pages for dcop by the way |
| 05:48.38 | canllaith | on my system |
| 05:48.42 | Borg^Queen | canllaith: mke2+j /dev/hd-whatever |
| 05:48.46 | canllaith | it is mke2fs -j |
| 05:48.47 | canllaith | No |
| 05:48.50 | canllaith | Read the manpage for mkfs |
| 05:48.55 | canllaith | and go to the 'see also' |
| 05:49.01 | aseigo | pembo13: yeah. you should write one and contrib it and thereby be an open source hero =) |
| 05:49.05 | canllaith | that will show you the related binaries, of which one is mke2fs :) |
| 05:49.11 | Borg^Queen | Oooh ok damn forget about them |
| 05:49.25 | Borg^Queen | ok |
| 05:49.47 | pembo13 | aseigo: i'll consider that...dont' think i'm competent however |
| 05:50.03 | aseigo | pembo13: i'll be happy to proofread and answer questions. |
| 05:50.07 | Borg^Queen | thanks |
| 05:50.11 | Borg^Queen | GN |
| 05:51.04 | aseigo | pembo13: http://www.volny.cz/bwian/dcop.html |
| 05:51.14 | aseigo | http://linuxgazette.net/issue97/oregan2.html |
| 05:51.33 | aseigo | http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/kdeqt/dcop.html |
| 05:51.47 | aseigo | pembo13: this is about where i'm supposed to say, "google is your friend".. 3.. 2.. .1... |
| 05:51.49 | aseigo | google is your friend |
| 05:52.31 | aseigo | (is it worrysome that i not only offer myself stage directions, but direct them to myself via msgs to others? hrm.) |
| 05:52.51 | canllaith | From anyone else but you, yes. |
| 05:53.03 | pembo13 | aseigo: excitement has kept me from googling for dcop yet, failure would have undoublty brought me there however |
| 05:53.31 | aseigo | hehehe ... excitement! that's exactly what we like to hear from people using kde =))) |
| 05:54.08 | pembo13 | aseigo: thanks for your help, i just found a QString which has the necessary info...i suspect it can be found somewhere else, but I'll search further for it later |
| 05:54.27 | aseigo | canllaith: my how people quickly cease worrying about my oddities |
| 05:54.38 | canllaith | We love you just how you are. |
| 05:54.40 | canllaith | Making us look saner. |
| 05:54.47 | aseigo | pembo13: btw, check out kdcop |
| 05:55.06 | aseigo | pembo13: it's a GUI for it... you can click around, including double click to execute... drag 'n drop to shell, python or even C++ |
| 05:55.26 | pembo13 | aseigo: hmm, i guess you K guys have thought of almost everything |
| 05:55.47 | pembo13 | aseigo: low and bbehold i already haev kdcop |
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| 05:56.28 | aseigo | SuperL4g: woah, you're an aaron too? |
| 05:57.07 | canllaith | there are so many aarons in this channel |
| 05:57.10 | canllaith | it's scary |
| 05:57.49 | aseigo | i'm the aseigo, yes i'm the real aseigo, all you other aseigo's are just imitatin' |
| 05:57.54 | SuperL4g | crap |
| 05:58.05 | SuperL4g | yeah, I'm an Aaron too |
| 05:58.22 | canllaith | so is the snugglemonkey, whereever he's vanished too now |
| 05:58.28 | sarah03 | aseigo: lol. |
| 05:58.28 | canllaith | wherever* |
| 05:58.32 | straw | hm. gtk-qt-engine should store it's gtk settings in ~/.kde/share/config/gtkrc or something |
| 05:58.34 | SuperL4g | my caps lock seems to be backwards, and I don't get how this happened |
| 05:58.46 | SuperL4g | I have to have it on, to type lower case |
| 05:58.52 | canllaith | For the gtk apps to pick it up |
| 05:59.01 | canllaith | it kinda has to be ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 05:59.07 | canllaith | KDE has no control over that...... |
| 05:59.25 | aseigo | SuperL4g: turn your keyboard right side up. DUH! ;) |
| 05:59.37 | straw | but a ~/.gtkrc-2.0 breaks gnome's theme manager |
| 05:59.39 | canllaith | aseigo: whatever you're on baby, I want some |
| 05:59.49 | aseigo | msg |
| 05:59.52 | aseigo | and nori |
| 05:59.53 | canllaith | straw: KDE can't control how gtk apps pick things up ......... |
| 06:00.06 | aseigo | oh yeah, and extreme unhapiness of being stuck at home on a friday night |
| 06:00.19 | straw | canllaith: it's controlling the colour scheme |
| 06:00.25 | aseigo | my usual stress relief of going out, drinking, dancing and if i'm lucky making a new friend or two is not to be |
| 06:00.36 | canllaith | awwwww |
| 06:00.37 | chavo | canllaith, yes you can change $GTK2_RC_FILES |
| 06:00.50 | canllaith | Aye, but that wouldn't stop it breaking gnome-theme-manager |
| 06:01.11 | canllaith | The apps would still go for your gtkrc you'd specified first |
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| 06:01.31 | SuperL4g | lets try this again |
| 06:01.35 | SuperL4g | Okay. It works now. |
| 06:01.54 | SuperL4g | aseigo: we've talked before. You don't remember me being an "Aaron"? |
| 06:02.07 | aseigo | SuperL4g: no. i tend to block these things from my memory. |
| 06:02.22 | SuperL4g | bah |
| 06:02.28 | SuperL4g | you're not THAT old yet :) |
| 06:02.46 | aseigo | in fact, it has been determined that i'm younger than i am |
| 06:02.59 | canllaith | yay |
| 06:03.06 | aseigo | all that near light speed travel you know |
| 06:03.13 | canllaith | kdebase building happily now |
| 06:03.15 | straw | canllaith: it works :) |
| 06:03.42 | Oleg_ | yo, whassup homies |
| 06:04.28 | aseigo | yo 'g |
| 06:04.42 | straw | at least, engine "thinice" ~/.kde/share/config/gtkrc does |
| 06:04.54 | aseigo | zogje |
| 06:07.14 | aseigo | canllaith: have you had the pleasure of interacting w/zogje? |
| 06:07.19 | canllaith | no |
| 06:07.25 | aseigo | (waldo b.) |
| 06:08.34 | canllaith | I have not. You don't introduce me to your friends *sob* |
| 06:08.38 | canllaith | </irrational female> |
| 06:09.24 | canllaith | ahahahaha: <Dram> XP is basicly 98 with a lot more extra features to hunt down and disable |
| 06:10.07 | aseigo | (implying there's </rational female>) |
| 06:11.00 | aseigo | canllaith: you must know waldo bastian by name at least though |
| 06:11.04 | canllaith | um duh. |
| 06:11.12 | canllaith | I first heard that name years ago. |
| 06:11.27 | canllaith | Before I'd ever noticed the name Aaron Seigo actually :) |
| 06:11.44 | aseigo | bah, that aseigo guy is completely forgettable |
| 06:11.49 | aseigo | zogje's where it's at |
| 06:12.05 | aseigo | seriously, he's awesome. here, let me get The Picture |
| 06:12.13 | canllaith | ok :) |
| 06:12.19 | canllaith | pics I have seen he's cute. |
| 06:12.33 | aseigo | of course, because KDE has....... |
| 06:12.41 | canllaith | The most fuckable devels |
| 06:13.01 | straw | goodness me |
| 06:13.07 | aseigo | http://bddf.ca/~aseigo/germany2k4/aKademy/pages/dscn0420.jpg.html http://bddf.ca/~aseigo/germany2k4/aKademy/pages/dscn0419.jpg.html http://bddf.ca/~aseigo/germany2k4/aKademy/pages/dscn0421.jpg.html |
| 06:13.14 | aseigo | straw: well, it IS true |
| 06:13.19 | canllaith | oh most definitely |
| 06:13.23 | straw | uhhh... |
| 06:13.25 | canllaith | I'd take most of KDE devels to bed. |
| 06:13.29 | canllaith | Not like, all at once or anything |
| 06:13.37 | aseigo | i mean, it's practically impossible to even concentrate when we have conferences |
| 06:13.38 | canllaith | Well, I guess it depends on the circumstances |
| 06:13.50 | aseigo | (though that might be the alcohol and endless coding) |
| 06:14.02 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.03 | slayerbob | :'( |
| 06:14.14 | aseigo | hahaa... so given the right circumstances you would take them all to bed at once? hahaaha.. the ktrain |
| 06:14.24 | canllaith | not all |
| 06:14.30 | aseigo | slayerbob: it's all in jest, promise. maybe. |
| 06:14.36 | canllaith | anders, binner, mattr |
| 06:14.45 | canllaith | oh physos |
| 06:14.46 | canllaith | definitely |
| 06:14.59 | straw | so kde devels are aligned evil *and* good looking. hrm |
| 06:15.00 | canllaith | the rest ? hmmm not sure. |
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| 06:15.33 | aseigo | chaotic neutral |
| 06:15.34 | straw | shoulda been a "with" in there... |
| 06:15.59 | canllaith | slayerbob: you know I'm kidding baby lol |
| 06:16.11 | aseigo | you know, it's sad when the stories they tell are still the stories from times 12-15 years ago |
| 06:16.18 | straw | <slayerbob> :'( |
| 06:16.22 | straw | aww... |
| 06:16.24 | canllaith | lol those pics are classic aseigo |
| 06:16.46 | canllaith | and honestly, I'm kidding. |
| 06:16.47 | aseigo | personally i love the hands in the air one |
| 06:16.51 | canllaith | KDE -does- have cute devels though |
| 06:17.06 | aseigo | the infamous "zrusin as lovesick traveller" http://bddf.ca/~aseigo/germany2k4/aKademy/pages/dscn0417.jpg.html |
| 06:17.27 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 06:17.38 | canllaith | I'm predisposed to find him less cute after looking at kconfig creator thingo |
| 06:17.56 | canllaith | ... but ok, he's cute too |
| 06:18.33 | slayerbob | aseigo: they tell stories from 12-15 years ago repeatedly ? why ? what happened back then ? : P |
| 06:18.37 | canllaith | you can be pretty liberal with pasty |
| 06:19.16 | slayerbob | lol |
| 06:19.26 | aseigo | slayerbob: well, that was when we hung out together as a group |
| 06:19.37 | slayerbob | lol |
| 06:19.39 | aseigo | slayerbob: and apparently i'm the only one who continued living after high school |
| 06:19.40 | slayerbob | you don't any more ? |
| 06:19.44 | slayerbob | :P |
| 06:19.58 | aseigo | nah... some are still in hawaii, some in texas, washington state, cali, boston |
| 06:20.12 | slayerbob | weird |
| 06:20.16 | slayerbob | why did they leave germany ? |
| 06:20.23 | aseigo | germany? |
| 06:20.30 | aseigo | i went to high school in hawaii |
| 06:20.34 | slayerbob | ah i must be thinking of something else :P |
| 06:20.41 | slayerbob | yup you said :P |
| 06:21.37 | slayerbob | oh wait... no that was hondje :P |
| 06:21.59 | canllaith | speaking of my favourite misogynist |
| 06:23.04 | slayerbob | i should build an irc fact database :P |
| 06:23.11 | slayerbob | and plug a bot into it |
| 06:23.28 | slayerbob | with basic linguistic capabilities :P |
| 06:23.44 | canllaith | gosh |
| 06:23.48 | canllaith | you have to be about the only person I know |
| 06:23.51 | canllaith | who talks as much as I do |
| 06:24.05 | slayerbob | i don't talk much |
| 06:24.09 | aseigo | yes you do |
| 06:24.15 | slayerbob | just when i do talk it is in lots of lines in the same place |
| 06:24.26 | canllaith | heh you so cute |
| 06:25.51 | slayerbob | it could have a display for the number of GB of data stored on each irc name |
| 06:26.04 | canllaith | :$ no |
| 06:26.09 | canllaith | I don't like it when people have stats like that |
| 06:26.11 | slayerbob | awww |
| 06:26.16 | slayerbob | :P |
| 06:26.17 | canllaith | it turns out to say like, TOP 3 TALKERS |
| 06:26.24 | canllaith | 1: canllaith |
| 06:26.26 | canllaith | 2: aseigo |
| 06:26.29 | canllaith | 3: sredna |
| 06:26.31 | slayerbob | i could make it so that stuff about canllaith goes straight into /dev/null :P |
| 06:26.32 | canllaith | or something like |
| 06:26.35 | canllaith | ok that works |
| 06:27.14 | straw | misleading statistics are a modern art |
| 06:27.22 | aseigo | not true, actually |
| 06:27.38 | sarah03 | 83% of statistics are made up on the spot. [Ok, not really.] |
| 06:27.42 | aseigo | it's a well known fact that at least 18% of ancient civilizations dabbled in misleading statistics as well |
| 06:28.16 | straw | not according my polls |
| 06:28.24 | aseigo | straw polls? |
| 06:28.26 | aseigo | ahahahaha |
| 06:28.43 | straw | me, myself, and i :D |
| 06:29.34 | straw | jeez, i'm dropping whole words |
| 06:29.56 | slayerbob | and overpuctuating |
| 06:30.01 | slayerbob | *overpunctuating |
| 06:30.06 | aseigom | canllaith: am i the only one who found "straw polls" funny? |
| 06:30.16 | aseigom | ok |
| 06:30.18 | aseigom | whew! |
| 06:30.39 | canllaith | oooh |
| 06:30.42 | canllaith | puck! |
| 06:31.00 | canllaith | now of course that makes me think of aseigom |
| 06:31.03 | straw | me too, slayerbob. i think they're gonna be mean to me again :/ |
| 06:31.08 | canllaith | he's too diminutive to be an oberon |
| 06:31.20 | aseigom | ahhaha |
| 06:31.21 | slayerbob | straw: you mean they stopped ? |
| 06:31.22 | canllaith | as much as he'd wear a title like 'king of the faeries' with pride |
| 06:31.33 | slayerbob | heh |
| 06:31.41 | straw | polls n : the place where people vote |
| 06:31.41 | slayerbob | perhaps he could be a titania instead |
| 06:31.43 | straw | hrm |
| 06:31.52 | canllaith | nah, he's definitely very puckish |
| 06:31.53 | aseigo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_poll |
| 06:31.58 | canllaith | I think I'd have to be titania |
| 06:32.04 | slayerbob | lol |
| 06:32.04 | canllaith | being a non-human and a naiad and all |
| 06:32.08 | slayerbob | :P |
| 06:32.28 | slayerbob | i think you might be right about puck... he does tend to talk a lot |
| 06:32.34 | aseigo | non-human ... or INhuman? discuss. |
| 06:32.51 | canllaith | non-human :P |
| 06:32.53 | straw | hahaaa! aseigo that's hilarious |
| 06:33.02 | canllaith | Indeed :P hence us laughing |
| 06:33.03 | aseigo | straw: what, straw poll? |
| 06:33.11 | straw | yup |
| 06:33.21 | aseigo | straw: yeah, i thought it was fucking hilarious. i sat here laughing as my cats stared wondering what the hell i was doing |
| 06:33.46 | aseigo | though i have to say, this is like deja vu |
| 06:34.00 | slayerbob | lol |
| 06:34.07 | aseigo | i only attended the last few months of kindergarten ... and was pretty out of place |
| 06:34.15 | slayerbob | your cats have stared at you as though you are insane before ? |
| 06:34.17 | slayerbob | oh |
| 06:34.20 | aseigo | i couldn't tie my shoelaces, didn't know my letter names or how to tell time |
| 06:34.29 | aseigo | but i could read fluently, do math and other more interesting things |
| 06:34.30 | slayerbob | lol |
| 06:34.40 | aseigo | so on this one show and tell day it was my turn |
| 06:34.44 | aseigo | and i had brought a joke with me |
| 06:35.05 | aseigo | "What's the longest word in the English language," i ask, grinning because i know the joke and am already humoured by it |
| 06:35.07 | aseigo | silence. |
| 06:35.26 | aseigo | "Smiles. <pause> BECAUSE IT HAS A MILE BETWEEN THE TWO S's!" |
| 06:35.32 | aseigo | i'm laughing until i realize nobody else is |
| 06:35.38 | sarah03 | lol |
| 06:35.39 | slayerbob | lol |
| 06:35.45 | slayerbob | even back then huh aseigo ? |
| 06:35.46 | slayerbob | :P |
| 06:35.46 | aseigo | at which point i'm asked to explain the joke by the teacher |
| 06:35.52 | slayerbob | :| |
| 06:35.54 | aseigo | by this point i knew it was a lost cause |
| 06:35.56 | slayerbob | by the teacher ? :| |
| 06:36.00 | slayerbob | :| |
| 06:36.01 | canllaith | LOL |
| 06:36.03 | aseigo | she was old and stupid |
| 06:36.11 | slayerbob | apparently so |
| 06:36.12 | aseigo | she wanted me to explain it to the class or something |
| 06:36.23 | straw | antidisestablishmentarianism |
| 06:36.27 | aseigo | or maybe she thought i didn't understand it and therefore wanted to show me up so the other kids would feel better or something |
| 06:36.39 | slayerbob | lol |
| 06:36.43 | aseigo | in any case, that was the beginning of my inkling that i was, in a word, socially fucked |
| 06:36.46 | slayerbob | and she was too stupid to know better ? :P |
| 06:36.47 | aseigo | well, in two words |
| 06:37.02 | canllaith | :P |
| 06:37.03 | aseigo | hell, when i went into grade one at a different school my mom told the teachers i could read |
| 06:37.31 | aseigo | the didn't believe her .. on the first day they gave us these booklets for the parents about bus rules and what not |
| 06:37.38 | aseigo | i was reading it because i figured i should know this too |
| 06:37.40 | canllaith | http://bash.org/?454203 |
| 06:37.43 | canllaith | LOL |
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| 06:37.45 | ^JM^ | isnt there an app that make spossible to surf in the cache when offline? |
| 06:37.47 | brucehoult | you sound wierd, aseigo |
| 06:37.54 | canllaith | lol don't all kids read in grade one? :\ |
| 06:38.00 | canllaith | isn't that like 5 years old or something |
| 06:38.02 | brucehoult | but then I suppose you shouldn't criticise someone until you're walked a mile in their shoes |
| 06:38.09 | aseigo | the teacher comes up and asks what i'm doing... and i tell her i'm reading it.. she says, "Ok. Why don't you read some to me?" when i start to do so she freaks out and grabs another teacher and hauls the other teacher and makes me start over |
| 06:38.30 | aseigo | canllaith: not back then |
| 06:38.32 | brucehoult | .. becuse then you're safely a mile away, and anyway you've got their shoes |
| 06:38.39 | aseigo | canllaith: the whole early education thing is pretty new. and i'm old, remember? |
| 06:38.45 | brucehoult | pfffft |
| 06:38.46 | canllaith | aseigo: lol um |
| 06:38.53 | canllaith | My father learned to read from his father at 3 years of age |
| 06:38.56 | canllaith | and he taught me the same |
| 06:39.01 | brucehoult | I was reading newspapers (according to my Mum) at 4 |
| 06:39.14 | canllaith | It's a country thing, you sit kids down and read to them when you live on farms n stuff |
| 06:39.15 | aseigo | canllaith: hahahaha.. that bash.org is great |
| 06:39.18 | canllaith | instead of playing video games |
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| 06:39.21 | canllaith | aseigo: omfg yes hahaha I love it |
| 06:39.25 | brucehoult | and I'm .. um .. a little older than you |
| 06:39.36 | canllaith | lol I thought we were the same age brucehoult |
| 06:39.38 | slayerbob | most people i know could read at 3-4... |
| 06:39.41 | aseigo | canllaith: i can almost see peyton and i in that scenario some years from now actually.. haaha |
| 06:39.43 | canllaith | ;) at least to hear you talk |
| 06:39.43 | slayerbob | maybe it is an american thing |
| 06:40.00 | canllaith | aseigo: lol yes, I can so see your son walking in on you masturbating at the pc |
| 06:40.22 | aseigo | well, it would at least take a ruby tutorial to get me off |
| 06:40.29 | aseigo | javascript lost its fun a long time ago |
| 06:40.39 | aseigo | at first the soft stuff does it for you |
| 06:40.48 | canllaith | perl for me baby |
| 06:40.50 | ^JM^ | isnt there an app that make spossible to surf in the cache when offline? |
| 06:40.52 | aseigo | but after a while it doens't and you start craving something harder, something a bit more "out there" and explicit you know? |
| 06:40.53 | canllaith | all that grepping and chomping |
| 06:40.56 | slayerbob | asm :) |
| 06:41.11 | canllaith | actually I need to behave |
| 06:41.19 | canllaith | the last time I laced computer terms with innuendo |
| 06:41.23 | canllaith | I got bashed :( |
| 06:41.24 | slayerbob | this being the official kde support channel and all :) |
| 06:41.32 | brucehoult | yeah but ruby has eachDo |
| 06:41.42 | brucehoult | and yield |
| 06:42.19 | straw | this sort of talk is unhealthy |
| 06:42.25 | canllaith | I know <grin> |
| 06:42.27 | slayerbob | since hwen ? |
| 06:42.29 | canllaith | isn't it great? |
| 06:42.30 | slayerbob | *when |
| 06:42.32 | aseigo | women.each { i aseigo.makeLove(i); } |
| 06:42.38 | straw | heh |
| 06:43.04 | brucehoult | e.g. dylan_devels.eachDo { |dev| yield dev } |
| 06:43.23 | canllaith | lol they wish. |
| 06:43.28 | canllaith | well, gabor is pretty damn cute. |
| 06:43.58 | aseigo | you kow, when you think about it... sleeping with soeone's identical twin is sort of like polymorphism. |
| 06:44.06 | aseigo | the interface is the same and to the caller it's indistinguishabe |
| 06:44.12 | brucehoult | you might think you'd forked |
| 06:44.16 | aseigo | but it's certainly a different instantiation. |
| 06:44.25 | straw | heheh |
| 06:45.05 | brucehoult | hmm .. does the twin protocol implement copy-on-write? |
| 06:45.25 | brucehoult | or is it eager? |
| 06:45.36 | aseigo | lol |
| 06:45.42 | aseigo | it's implicitly shared, of course |
| 06:46.10 | aseigo | so, yes, cow |
| 06:46.16 | aseigo | though don't call them that to their face |
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| 06:46.47 | brucehoult | let's not mention "placid", shall we? |
| 06:46.53 | canllaith | lol |
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| 06:47.18 | canllaith | placide .... |
| 06:47.31 | canllaith | not quite the bovine connotations |
| 06:47.55 | aseigo | ahaha.. a fat cow. nice |
| 06:48.37 | canllaith | mmm I wonder |
| 06:48.52 | canllaith | what actually exec's the X session? |
| 06:48.53 | canllaith | kdeinit ? |
| 06:49.03 | canllaith | eg, if I kill kdesktop & kwin & kicker etc etc one at a time will I stay there? |
| 06:49.22 | canllaith | although I came close. |
| 06:50.16 | sarah03 | Well, I was going to attempt to respond... |
| 06:51.27 | slayerbob | i guess she figured it out :P |
| 06:51.39 | straw | heh. the hard way :) |
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| 06:52.07 | aseigo | yep. answer: NO |
| 06:52.13 | canllaith | hahaha |
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| 06:52.14 | xevix | wb canllaith |
| 06:52.14 | canllaith | I guess that answers that |
| 06:52.18 | canllaith | killed one to many kdeinit processes |
| 06:52.19 | canllaith | ty xevix :) |
| 06:52.27 | xevix | well, not bad for a few days work |
| 06:52.30 | aseigo | the X sessions execs the X session =P |
| 06:52.38 | xevix | gentoo's up, 3d rendering working, X is going, and my users can run everything but terminals |
| 06:52.42 | canllaith | oooh |
| 06:52.45 | canllaith | segmentation fault from konqueror |
| 06:52.55 | xevix | ouch |
| 06:53.05 | canllaith | meh |
| 06:53.08 | aseigo | they can't be trusted with a command line anyways |
| 06:53.09 | canllaith | usually that means I have copied my new kdelibs over |
| 06:53.25 | canllaith | and forgot to tar xzfC kdelibs-`date +%F`.tar.gz / |
| 06:53.30 | canllaith | I do that. |
| 06:53.43 | canllaith | then everyone runs around trying to figure out why I have unresolved symbols, because I -do- remember to untar kdebase. |
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| 06:54.03 | aseigo | you're not blonde |
| 06:54.09 | brucehoult | pffft |
| 06:54.14 | canllaith | sorry bub |
| 06:54.18 | canllaith | interesting |
| 06:54.22 | canllaith | bash.org is crashing konqueror |
| 06:54.39 | canllaith | NOOOOO! |
| 06:54.44 | aseigo | that's konqueror's "stop wasting your life" feature kickingin |
| 06:54.46 | canllaith | oh, that' s ok then. |
| 06:54.52 | canllaith | google.com is also crashing konqueror |
| 06:54.56 | slayerbob | lol |
| 06:54.59 | slayerbob | same principle ? |
| 06:55.03 | aseigo | basically |
| 06:55.21 | canllaith | ok lets try a bit of ldconfig and see if that helps |
| 06:55.24 | aseigo | if (url.protocol() == "http") |
| 06:55.28 | sarah03 | Hm. So when is this new "stop wasting your life" feature going to be built into Konsole? |
| 06:55.31 | canllaith | heh |
| 06:55.42 | canllaith | so I can run konqueror (my homepage is about:blank) |
| 06:55.43 | aseigo | sarah03: the command line is, by definition, sacrosanct |
| 06:55.51 | canllaith | I then actually load a page |
| 06:55.54 | canllaith | and it crashes and burns |
| 06:55.55 | canllaith | nice. |
| 06:56.10 | straw | you broke it. |
| 06:56.21 | canllaith | I completely support both assumptions. |
| 06:56.28 | straw | you make it go! |
| 06:56.58 | straw | netscape? |
| 06:57.00 | canllaith | File browsing still works, I'll get through this. |
| 06:57.09 | straw | that's so 90s |
| 06:57.12 | canllaith | Yeah, gtk 2 & xft is so amazingly hoggy |
| 06:57.14 | canllaith | lol so is my pc |
| 06:57.22 | canllaith | Well, it' s a 2000 model |
| 06:57.40 | aseigo | 1998 to be exact |
| 06:57.41 | straw | oh, 4.x |
| 06:57.46 | canllaith | My 2004 model is at home :( |
| 06:58.03 | straw | understandable |
| 06:58.25 | canllaith | yeah. CRT screens are a bit much for cabin baggage |
| 06:58.34 | canllaith | Which I thought was pretty unreasonable |
| 06:58.39 | canllaith | I mean, babies count as cabin baggage |
| 06:58.54 | canllaith | why can't my devel machine count as a baby? It's quieter and smells better |
| 06:59.03 | straw | heh |
| 06:59.09 | canllaith | heh |
| 06:59.21 | canllaith | as I was getting off the plane a lady with a baby was standing infront of me |
| 06:59.29 | canllaith | it was staring at me with huuuuuuuge huuuuuge blue eyes and chuckling |
| 06:59.48 | sarah03 | canllaith: Babies don't explode into millions of shards of glass and other such things? [Yes, they do emit noxious chemicals, but that's another thing.] |
| 06:59.55 | canllaith | he was very cute, at any rate. |
| 07:00.11 | brucehoult | I'm a baby? |
| 07:00.16 | canllaith | well |
| 07:00.21 | canllaith | ...... I guess that depends |
| 07:00.25 | canllaith | if a baby is one unit of cute |
| 07:00.28 | canllaith | would that make you 115 units of cute? |
| 07:00.34 | slayerbob | sarah03: you are only assuming that about babies because you have not seen it happen yet |
| 07:00.41 | straw | oh for the love of pete |
| 07:00.47 | brucehoult | 116.2 today :-( |
| 07:00.53 | brucehoult | too much good cooking |
| 07:00.56 | canllaith | so 116.2 units of cute |
| 07:01.03 | slayerbob | 116.2 ? |
| 07:01.05 | slayerbob | kg ? |
| 07:01.06 | canllaith | well, I can stop if you prefer. I can eat macdonalds until we go home |
| 07:01.27 | slayerbob | heh - certainly can't eat macdonalds after you go home :P |
| 07:01.40 | sarah03 | slayerbob: Oh, I don't have any of my own. I do have 2 younger brothers, and among other things, I've never witnessed them physically explode. :) |
| 07:01.58 | canllaith | ok |
| 07:02.10 | canllaith | given that most smallish babies are around 6 lbs |
| 07:02.17 | canllaith | I guess that would make you 38.7 or so units of cute |
| 07:02.22 | brucehoult | is that the royal "we'? |
| 07:02.30 | canllaith | me and my baby-dell of course :) |
| 07:02.36 | brucehoult | aaaahhh |
| 07:02.47 | canllaith | and slayerbob is about 28 units of cute. |
| 07:02.55 | slayerbob | i is ? |
| 07:02.59 | canllaith | yup |
| 07:03.05 | canllaith | cause you're only little. |
| 07:03.07 | slayerbob | i think you are making some false assumptions here |
| 07:03.12 | slayerbob | like cuteness being linear |
| 07:03.15 | canllaith | mmm |
| 07:03.22 | brucehoult | yeah, it may be square |
| 07:03.24 | aseigo | it's logarithmic |
| 07:03.25 | aseigo | duh |
| 07:03.25 | brucehoult | or exponential or something |
| 07:03.26 | canllaith | and cute being relative to mass |
| 07:03.33 | slayerbob | parabolic |
| 07:03.48 | aseigo | slayerbob: which is flat given the right geometry |
| 07:03.51 | aseigo | er, straight |
| 07:03.53 | brucehoult | just as long as it's not hyperbolic I don't care |
| 07:03.55 | canllaith | it all depends on the reference frame |
| 07:04.21 | canllaith | as far as I am concerned, a slayerbob is a unit of cute and the level of cute is in inverse proportion to mass. |
| 07:04.39 | canllaith | So that makes me a single unit of cute too :) |
| 07:04.45 | aseigo | so what you're saying is you have a midget fetish |
| 07:04.47 | brucehoult | you;'re un-coordinated now? |
| 07:04.54 | straw | you all talk silly talk! |
| 07:05.03 | canllaith | aseigo: you better believe it baby ;) |
| 07:05.08 | brucehoult | we could tka e a straw poll on it I suppose |
| 07:05.20 | sarah03 | lol |
| 07:05.42 | canllaith | lol poor straw |
| 07:06.11 | canllaith | Now why on earth don't we talk like this in #physics, discuss religion with student_1 in #christianity and talk about KDE in here? |
| 07:06.22 | canllaith | I think everyone accidentally shifted one tab to the left |
| 07:08.29 | ^JM^ | is pois possible to have konq browsing the cache in offline mode? |
| 07:08.37 | ^JM^ | is possible to have konq browsing the cache in offline mode? |
| 07:08.53 | ^JM^ | simpifying: is possible to use konq in offline mode? |
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| 07:15.19 | slayerbob | :o |
| 07:15.29 | aseigo | ^JM^: konqi does'nt have an offline mode, no |
| 07:16.17 | ^JM^ | aseigo: is there an app that cand do it? |
| 07:16.56 | canllaith | you do remember what Drew's IRC nick is, yes slayerbob ? |
| 07:17.12 | slayerbob | not as such |
| 07:17.16 | canllaith | lol |
| 07:17.18 | canllaith | cuddles |
| 07:17.21 | slayerbob | lol |
| 07:17.28 | slayerbob | but he's like 8ft tall |
| 07:17.31 | slayerbob | or something |
| 07:17.32 | canllaith | exactly |
| 07:17.45 | canllaith | he was cuddles IRL too |
| 07:17.53 | canllaith | and he'd mention it with slightly raised eyebrows as if to say |
| 07:18.02 | canllaith | 'go on. Make an issue of it <grin>' |
| 07:18.15 | slayerbob | lol |
| 07:18.18 | aseigo | ^JM^: probably. don't know what it is off the top of my head though |
| 07:19.13 | ^JM^ | english isnt my native so i dont get it |
| 07:19.34 | canllaith | ooh. At 50k a second. Yay. |
| 07:19.58 | aseigo | 1990s tech at 1990s speed =) |
| 07:20.27 | canllaith | firefox(gtk2 xft) = 50MB of bloody memory |
| 07:20.29 | ^JM^ | so firefox beats konq |
| 07:20.37 | canllaith | mozilla(gtk2 xft) = 50MB of bloody memory |
| 07:20.48 | canllaith | Netscape(gtk+ damn ugly) = 30MB of bloody memory |
| 07:22.43 | aseigo | wow. heightForWidth is called 12 times during start up on an applet. crazy shit. |
| 07:30.50 | aseigo | are there any? |
| 07:30.58 | canllaith | oh stacks |
| 07:31.05 | canllaith | check out ftp.mozilla.org and hunt around |
| 07:31.16 | canllaith | there are even a few in contrib that do have xft fonts and no gtk2 |
| 07:31.21 | canllaith | so they even look ok |
| 07:33.08 | canllaith | sod what HAVE I done to my flash plugin? :( |
| 07:34.06 | canllaith | :(:( no strongbad |
| 07:34.42 | slayerbob | no sound ? |
| 07:34.49 | canllaith | No flash |
| 07:34.51 | canllaith | at all |
| 07:34.53 | slayerbob | or no flash at all ? |
| 07:34.53 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 07:34.59 | canllaith | Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) |
| 07:35.05 | slayerbob | :( |
| 07:36.34 | canllaith | what is kdegraphics/kamera again? |
| 07:38.31 | Oleg_ | slayerbob, canllaith: whassup |
| 07:39.42 | Oleg_ | hello? |
| 07:41.11 | canllaith | ok |
| 07:41.13 | canllaith | that was a really bad update |
| 07:41.19 | canllaith | basically all my kde apps are segfaulting and nothing is usable. |
| 07:41.55 | Oleg_ | canllaith: what's the version of kde? |
| 07:42.11 | slayerbob | weird |
| 07:42.13 | slayerbob | what did you do ? |
| 07:42.18 | canllaith | updated kdelibs & base |
| 07:42.29 | slayerbob | :S |
| 07:42.35 | Oleg_ | Andrew? |
| 07:42.42 | Oleg_ | are you down, homie? |
| 07:43.05 | Oleg_ | you ever been down, homie? |
| 07:43.11 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 07:43.15 | slayerbob | this movie is strange |
| 07:43.20 | slayerbob | it's called "the terminal" |
| 07:43.30 | slayerbob | but so far there is no sign of any kind of terminal |
| 07:43.41 | slayerbob | not even a simple xterm :( |
| 07:43.47 | Oleg_ | canllaith: how's life? |
| 07:44.13 | Oleg_ | I am a white boy. |
| 07:44.43 | Oleg_ | ok, forgive me for acting weird |
| 07:45.04 | Oleg_ | I am doing it because I saw a gangsta movie |
| 07:45.14 | Oleg_ | about the Los-Angeles ghetto |
| 07:47.53 | Oleg_ | has Beta 2 been tagged? |
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| 07:51.40 | manu | Greetings ! |
| 07:53.06 | canllaith | has anyone cvs upped in the last half hour? |
| 07:53.55 | aseigo | no |
| 07:54.06 | aseigo | Oleg_: yes |
| 07:54.12 | manu | Sorry for the silliness of the question but I've not found anything on the Wired: when I click on a link (in kmail for instace), a new Konqueror is fired up and the page is downloaded and opened from its location on the disc. Can anyone point me to the way to change this ? (KDE 3.00.00) |
| 07:54.28 | canllaith | yeah |
| 07:54.45 | canllaith | in file associations |
| 07:54.55 | canllaith | sod 2 secs lol |
| 07:55.13 | canllaith | crashy crashy konqi.... |
| 07:56.05 | canllaith | ok :) in the file associations dialog |
| 07:56.05 | manu | Oh dear, of course ! Thank you so much ! |
| 07:56.21 | canllaith | Just make sure under 'command' |
| 07:56.25 | manu | I was feeling so ridiculous :p |
| 07:56.38 | canllaith | Konqueror is kfmclient openURL %u |
| 07:56.41 | canllaith | and not %f |
| 07:57.31 | canllaith | ok so one way of checking this :) |
| 07:57.40 | canllaith | is go to into ~/.local/share/applications |
| 07:57.53 | canllaith | and see if you have a file called konqueror.desktop or maybe kde-kfmclient.desktop in there |
| 07:58.12 | manu | hmm, no |
| 07:58.29 | canllaith | no? Ok, well at any rate you can look through the file associations dialog (just put 'html' into the little search box) |
| 07:58.42 | canllaith | or you can look at it through the kmenu, that works too :) |
| 07:58.56 | canllaith | Just make sure the 'exec' for konqueror is right. |
| 08:00.02 | manu | it seems to be... |
| 08:00.35 | canllaith | This used to happen to me a wee bit with older versions of KDE (It's a bit more robust now) |
| 08:00.53 | canllaith | and generally clearing out anything to do with konqi in ~/.local/share/applications helped |
| 08:01.05 | canllaith | It's been a while since I used 3.0 though :| |
| 08:01.18 | canllaith | and I am not sure if it used that standard yet |
| 08:01.19 | manu | Yes ! Success ! :) |
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| 08:01.22 | canllaith | ah ok :) |
| 08:01.40 | manu | for some reason there were two "konqueror" in this menu... |
| 08:01.45 | canllaith | and one was wrong? :) |
| 08:01.52 | manu | obviously |
| 08:01.58 | canllaith | glad it's fixed |
| 08:01.58 | manu | or not as riht as the other |
| 08:02.09 | manu | thnk you, you've been very helpful |
| 08:02.13 | canllaith | ye |
| 08:02.15 | canllaith | yw ** |
| 08:02.56 | manu | amazing at how really difficult things are challenging and tiny things are just a pest :) |
| 08:10.49 | slayerbob | argh |
| 08:11.32 | canllaith | LOL |
| 08:11.40 | aseigo | slayerbob: ooooh |
| 08:11.42 | slayerbob | :( |
| 08:11.46 | aseigo | at leaset you have S&V chips |
| 08:11.48 | Renze | slayerbob: try it after chopping jabanero chillies :) |
| 08:11.55 | aseigo | in the states people just look at you funny when you suggest such a thing |
| 08:12.36 | Renze | malt vinegar |
| 08:12.44 | canllaith | chips = crisps & fries = chips where my family comes from |
| 08:14.18 | canllaith | damn |
| 08:14.25 | canllaith | cant open mail in kmail |
| 08:14.36 | canllaith | cant load webpages in konqi :( |
| 08:15.31 | slayerbob | at least chat with your andrew works :) |
| 08:16.40 | canllaith | :) yeah, in gaim lol |
| 08:17.59 | aseigo | canllaith: yeah... mmm.. vingar on french fries.. yum yum... |
| 08:18.01 | aseigo | or mustard... |
| 08:18.14 | aseigo | poutine rocks too |
| 08:18.31 | canllaith | or gravy |
| 08:18.36 | canllaith | mmmmm |
| 08:18.39 | aseigo | though i have to make my own if i ever want it (veggie gravy) |
| 08:18.50 | canllaith | at uni you could get this tub of chips & gravy for like $2 that was soooo yum |
| 08:18.56 | aseigo | poutine is gravy + cheeze curd... |
| 08:19.00 | canllaith | ah ok :) |
| 08:19.33 | aseigo | yeah, we used to go to the Beach Buoy, this family own fast food-ish place, and get chips 'n gravy |
| 08:20.00 | aseigo | sit on the picnic tables that they had outside (there was no inside, except for the small video arcade in the back) or across the street on the beach |
| 08:20.04 | canllaith | yummmmmmo |
| 08:20.11 | aseigo | or on the dock... ah.. that dock was awesome |
| 08:20.16 | aseigo | a big old government warf... |
| 08:20.22 | canllaith | I think I spent most of my childhood eating $2 chips |
| 08:20.26 | aseigo | people would fish off it, jump off it, hang out on it |
| 08:20.30 | aseigo | hahaha |
| 08:20.37 | canllaith | it's cheap, you only need pocket change and the lady at the fish & chip shop took pity on mum for being a single mum |
| 08:20.50 | canllaith | and would sneak dim sim and sometimes fish pieces into our $2 chips we'd ordered |
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| 08:21.04 | aseigo | dim sim? |
| 08:21.11 | aseigo | is that like dim sum, only virtual? |
| 08:21.14 | canllaith | So I'd come wandering home sometimes completely unaware I was carrying a feast |
| 08:21.16 | canllaith | lol |
| 08:21.31 | canllaith | yeah |
| 08:21.37 | canllaith | it's Australianized asian food |
| 08:21.47 | aseigo | ah... |
| 08:21.56 | aseigo | that's cool that they would do that |
| 08:22.00 | canllaith | yeah :) I liked her |
| 08:22.09 | canllaith | Then mum married mark and he'd go down to that same shop and buy smokes |
| 08:22.21 | canllaith | and she'd say to mum 'you got a good one this time' |
| 08:22.25 | aseigo | (again) |
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| 08:24.03 | aseigo | ah, spam... "Urgent Message" body: "Cathy hasn't practiced reading yet." wow... good thing they let me know! |
| 08:24.20 | canllaith | lol |
| 08:24.27 | canllaith | spam assasin + kmail is so awesome |
| 08:24.36 | aseigo | canllaith: i'm sure you don't. but i'm not abjectly poor anymore, so it would be nice to in a small coastal town again |
| 08:24.56 | canllaith | heh |
| 08:25.03 | canllaith | you have just been on fire last few days |
| 08:25.18 | canllaith | every 30 seconds *DING kmail new message, subject: kdebase/kicker* |
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| 08:26.42 | rabauke | Greetings! |
| 08:27.27 | rabauke | Slightly OT: What could cause X.org server to go from 36MB RAM usage to 200, not giving anything back although all windows are closed. |
| 08:27.44 | canllaith | mmm |
| 08:28.02 | canllaith | being part of the programs that can be loosely grouped together under the title 'X Windowing System' |
| 08:28.05 | canllaith | is quite often the cause. |
| 08:28.46 | canllaith | The way the X server works, once it has taken memory for itself it wont give it back, so that is why you've closed windows and it's still doing it. As to why it did in the first place no idea |
| 08:29.09 | rabauke | why does it work that way? |
| 08:29.23 | rabauke | would it not make sense to give back some memory? |
| 08:29.57 | rabauke | i.e. would it make sense to file a bug? |
| 08:29.57 | canllaith | The annoying thing about X11 is that it wasn't originally designed to be efficient for a single desktop machine |
| 08:30.07 | canllaith | but to be efficient for a very very large network of thin clients |
| 08:30.33 | brucehoult | you'd think thin clients might not have much memory, though |
| 08:30.47 | canllaith | only the X server runs locally though so |
| 08:30.51 | canllaith | it doesn't matter if it eats all of them |
| 08:30.57 | canllaith | and that's for very broad definition of 'runs locally' |
| 08:31.05 | rabauke | yet as it is clear that it will be used for single desktops a lot this should be changed/be optional |
| 08:31.23 | canllaith | rabauke: Given that the X windowing system is older than I am |
| 08:31.30 | canllaith | xorg are starting to make some changes from this model |
| 08:32.11 | slayerbob | heh |
| 08:32.14 | rabauke | aseigo: Because they did not understand what you are trying to tell them, or because you do not understand their need...common problem of misunderstanding between two human beeings |
| 08:32.16 | slayerbob | i think X is just about older than me :P |
| 08:32.24 | canllaith | Almost |
| 08:32.32 | canllaith | I was just informed at any rate :p |
| 08:32.46 | slayerbob | how old ? |
| 08:32.48 | canllaith | rabauke: basically X was deliberately designed that way, from the ground up |
| 08:32.51 | canllaith | 30ish apparently |
| 08:33.08 | canllaith | rabauke: xorg are slowly making changes to bring things more up to date with a more modern model of computing |
| 08:33.15 | canllaith | ok |
| 08:33.20 | canllaith | so X is actually slightly younger than I am ;) |
| 08:33.25 | brucehoult | X originated at MIT in 1984 |
| 08:33.29 | canllaith | but no there is no point filing a bug |
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| 08:33.38 | brucehoult | X11 was released in 1987 |
| 08:33.48 | rabauke | canllaith: yet 200 MB is huge, imagine I just had 256, 512 MB is already quite tight for that kind of server growing endlessly |
| 08:33.56 | canllaith | I have 256MB |
| 08:34.16 | brucehoult | in 1984 1 MB was a lot of RAM for a system |
| 08:34.16 | canllaith | 200MB does sound really excessive |
| 08:34.19 | canllaith | it shouldn't have grown that far |
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| 08:34.32 | rabauke | so it's a memory leak? |
| 08:34.52 | slayerbob | no that was a moral "shouldn't" |
| 08:34.53 | slayerbob | :P |
| 08:34.57 | canllaith | well |
| 08:35.01 | canllaith | my X very rarely does that |
| 08:35.08 | canllaith | if ever |
| 08:35.19 | rabauke | using KDE 3.4? |
| 08:35.22 | canllaith | aye |
| 08:35.27 | rabauke | damn |
| 08:35.28 | canllaith | my X is using 35MB memory |
| 08:35.29 | rabauke | ;) |
| 08:35.34 | canllaith | using latest xorg |
| 08:35.41 | rabauke | mine to, when starting the session |
| 08:36.04 | canllaith | chances are it's an app you're running and not actually X itself |
| 08:36.51 | slayerbob | and yet ms office does not work in linux :P |
| 08:36.54 | slayerbob | well... not without wine |
| 08:36.55 | canllaith | indeed |
| 08:37.12 | slayerbob | cos you have to get linux drunk to make it run ms software |
| 08:37.48 | canllaith | mmm kdrive |
| 08:37.51 | canllaith | that reminds me |
| 08:37.55 | rabauke | I thought it was my desktop beckground which is changing every 1 minute, yet I could not verify that, I guess I 'll have to be lucky to find the cause |
| 08:38.02 | canllaith | lol |
| 08:38.06 | canllaith | why is it changing every minute? |
| 08:38.24 | canllaith | at any rate what I said does not explain why it got to 200MB. Only why it's still there. |
| 08:38.38 | rabauke | canllaith: because I use the slideshow |
| 08:40.28 | canllaith | damnit |
| 08:40.31 | canllaith | every single bloody module |
| 08:40.39 | canllaith | in modulename/appname/about |
| 08:40.45 | canllaith | 'no rule to make target appname.css' |
| 08:40.51 | canllaith | that new bloody about dialog is really really annoying me |
| 08:41.19 | canllaith | oh you're kidding me |
| 08:41.25 | canllaith | because it's really called kmail-about.css |
| 08:45.16 | rabauke | ok, for the last 4 times when the desktop background image changed, memory usage went up by 400-600 k |
| 08:45.20 | canllaith | lol |
| 08:45.26 | rabauke | that should not happen, should it? |
| 08:45.37 | aseigo | you have an auto-rotating background? |
| 08:45.45 | rabauke | yes |
| 08:46.32 | rabauke | too many beautiful pictures to have just one |
| 08:47.07 | aseigo | ok.. so that's the image cache |
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| 08:47.33 | aseigo | it caches a certain number of images in memory so if it switches back to an image recently viewed it doesn't have to rerender it |
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| 08:47.38 | aseigo | it just fetches it from the cache |
| 08:48.26 | aseigo | the cache does max out a certain number of images though |
| 08:48.35 | canllaith | every minute though, and if some are large images...... |
| 08:48.37 | aseigo | and you can throttle it down to less RAM usage if you want |
| 08:48.50 | rabauke | That could be a problem for people like me using slideshow |
| 08:49.09 | aseigo | so then throttle the size of it... it's in the Advanced page of the background dialg |
| 08:49.21 | rabauke | ok, let me have alook |
| 08:49.45 | rabauke | was already set to 1048 |
| 08:49.47 | rabauke | 2048 |
| 08:49.49 | rabauke | sorry |
| 08:49.50 | aseigo | rabauke: oh, i think i'm pretty clear |
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| 08:50.17 | canllaith | aseigo: do you know how I clear that lost and found thing in the menu? |
| 08:50.19 | aseigo | rabauke: "this is fixed" or "i won't be implementing it for reasons x, y, z" or "you're mistaken because <foo bar blaz>" |
| 08:50.30 | aseigo | lost and found thing? |
| 08:50.30 | canllaith | somehow it's ended up so big |
| 08:50.32 | canllaith | yeah |
| 08:50.34 | aseigo | in the menu? |
| 08:50.36 | rabauke | aseigo: That's what I think too when I report a bug and re-open it ;) |
| 08:50.44 | aseigo | well, don't reopen my bugs |
| 08:50.46 | aseigo | they are my bugs |
| 08:50.48 | aseigo | not yours |
| 08:50.51 | canllaith | rabauke: but it's not your app and it's not your development time and it's not your bugs |
| 08:50.57 | aseigo | comment on them, SURE... then i can reopen htem |
| 08:50.59 | rabauke | :D ok, I'll remember |
| 08:51.01 | canllaith | aseigo: heh yeah kmenu -> lost & found |
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| 08:51.13 | canllaith | um basically there are so many things in it that the menu fills my screen |
| 08:51.20 | canllaith | as in, up and down & side to side |
| 08:51.24 | aseigo | when someone adds something to the bug and i go "aaaaah! NOW i see." or "what the hell was i on?" i reopen it |
| 08:51.37 | aseigo | otherwise i have to go and deal with it even if the person is a wank.. |
| 08:51.41 | rabauke | canllaith: I know, yet if users think they are right, they do what developers do when they think they are right, just in the opposite way |
| 08:51.45 | aseigo | most annoying are the repeat openner |
| 08:51.47 | aseigo | s |
| 08:51.52 | canllaith | rabauke: but it is not their system to abuse |
| 08:51.59 | canllaith | it's for the developers, not the users. |
| 08:52.06 | aseigo | i've had people re-open the same bug 2, 3, 4 times just because they didn't like my (valid) answer |
| 08:52.31 | aseigo | slayerbob: you're not the first. |
| 08:52.52 | aseigo | slayerbob: but i now where you live, and who you live with, and she's sworn to do my kde biddings |
| 08:52.59 | slayerbob | lol |
| 08:53.10 | aseigo | ;) |
| 08:53.29 | rabauke | aseigo: I re-open bugs, if I add something new and do not get an answer, because in that case I think that the owner does not care about comments to closed bugs |
| 08:53.33 | aseigo | rabauke: yes, i think we do have a very real communicatoin problem with users over the purpose of bugs.kde.org |
| 08:53.54 | aseigo | rabauke: well, don't re-open it, just comment on it |
| 08:53.59 | aseigo | comments still get CC'd to the owner |
| 08:54.13 | aseigo | i get messages for every comment to every bug i've ever owned, closed or open |
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| 08:54.39 | canllaith | ok kde really hates me today |
| 08:54.47 | slayerbob | awww :( |
| 08:54.56 | rabauke | aseigo: If my X goes up every time the background changesa and has gone up already more than the 2048 kb, the limit seems to be broken? |
| 08:55.06 | canllaith | I hope that whatever happens to it, unhappens quick |
| 08:55.09 | aseigo | if (getUserName() == "jhall") { crashHumerously(); } |
| 08:55.23 | canllaith | aseigo: bah. I should have known. |
| 08:55.28 | canllaith | It's great to be loved ;) |
| 08:55.28 | aseigo | rabauke: could well be |
| 08:55.29 | Danar | anyone have any idea why my screen resolution would change when i log into kde? |
| 08:55.42 | slayerbob | LOL |
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| 08:55.56 | canllaith | check in Kcontrol -> Peripherals -> Display |
| 08:55.57 | aseigo | rabauke: hard to know without actually measuring the cache though... if it continues to rise 2 or 3 times more than that then yes |
| 08:55.59 | rabauke | Danar: because you enabled it in kcontrol? |
| 08:56.00 | Danar | it's normal at the login screen |
| 08:56.01 | canllaith | to see if it has 'apply settings on kde startup' |
| 08:56.10 | Danar | rabauke: not that i recall... |
| 08:56.13 | manuc66 | I'd like to know it there is a shell command to open afile with defaut kde association program, like open for mac and start for windows. Thanks |
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| 08:56.21 | canllaith | manuc66: yeah there is ...... |
| 08:56.33 | rabauke | aseigo: ok, waiting, it has already increassed by 7 MB |
| 08:56.37 | canllaith | built into kfmclient I'm sure |
| 08:56.45 | manuc66 | canllaith: do you knwo it ? |
| 08:56.56 | canllaith | Yes |
| 08:57.06 | canllaith | I think |
| 08:57.08 | canllaith | kfmclient exec |
| 08:57.20 | Danar | thx |
| 08:57.33 | canllaith | if you take a look at kfmclient --commands |
| 08:57.38 | canllaith | it shows you lots of nifty stuff liket his |
| 08:57.48 | manuc66 | canllaith great! |
| 08:58.03 | aseigo | rabauke: looks broken =) |
| 08:58.09 | aseigo | rabauke: what version of kde? |
| 08:58.16 | rabauke | 3.4 beta 1 |
| 08:58.35 | manuc66 | canllaith: i'm also looking for gnome, i know i'm on kde channel but maybe you know |
| 08:59.17 | rabauke | anybody using kopete, could you try to autocomplete Danar, I get DagaZ instead when typing a D TAB |
| 08:59.49 | slayerbob | rabauke: that would be because g comes before n :) |
| 08:59.49 | canllaith | uh well |
| 08:59.52 | Danar | i think it goes to the first in alphabetical order |
| 08:59.53 | canllaith | g is kinda before n in the alphabet :) |
| 09:00.05 | canllaith | hit tab again, it might cycle through (although I haven't used kopete for irc) |
| 09:00.31 | slayerbob | although i have noticed the occasional bug in xchat where sometimes it will pick the next name up in the list :S |
| 09:00.38 | rabauke | slayerbob: should it not behave like command-line auto-complete? |
| 09:00.52 | slayerbob | so you type dan-tab and it would complete with dagaz |
| 09:01.01 | slayerbob | but only erratically does it behave like that :P |
| 09:01.04 | rabauke | i.e. auto-complete aonly what is certain and wait for the next letter? |
| 09:01.20 | Danar | xchat displays a list if there's not enough typed |
| 09:01.21 | canllaith | well |
| 09:01.23 | canllaith | it's not a console :) |
| 09:01.34 | canllaith | I guess the developers prefer a different style of auto complete |
| 09:01.40 | rabauke | slayerbob: no, d tab should only auto-complete da and then wait for a letter |
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| 09:01.48 | Danar | dan<tab> is enough for my nick |
| 09:01.48 | rabauke | yet people are used to the konsole |
| 09:01.52 | canllaith | rabauke: that isn't the only kind of tab completion in the world |
| 09:02.02 | slayerbob | Danar: usually it does but sometimes it breaks |
| 09:02.05 | canllaith | some IRC clients allow you to configure whether you have shell type or irc type |
| 09:02.14 | rabauke | sure, yet D tab always fails |
| 09:02.19 | Danar | slayerbob: what version you using? hasn't broken for me |
| 09:02.32 | canllaith | rabauke: that would be because in the alphabet, g comes before n :) Simple concept really |
| 09:02.32 | slayerbob | 2.4.1 |
| 09:02.38 | Danar | hrm |
| 09:02.42 | Danar | me too |
| 09:02.56 | rabauke | physos: did you get my mail, any response from the wiki owners? |
| 09:02.56 | slayerbob | do you leave xchat running for weeks on end ? |
| 09:03.02 | Danar | er, no |
| 09:03.03 | Danar | lol |
| 09:03.27 | slayerbob | well there you go - different environment :) |
| 09:03.45 | physos | rabauke: I was told the wiki should come back RealSoonNow. Since this was false I will recontact. |
| 09:04.24 | rabauke | physos: thanks a lot, bringing it back will be far better than giing me date, yipeehh! |
| 09:05.00 | physos | rabauke: Seems it depends on the PHP installation on the server the wiki is on. |
| 09:05.12 | physos | rabauke: somebody is working in resolving the issues. |
| 09:05.31 | rabauke | can't wait, thanks again! |
| 09:07.56 | physos | canllaith: why? |
| 09:08.17 | canllaith | because kmail and konqi are so badly broken |
| 09:08.28 | canllaith | and that are lots of problems with this new about dialog |
| 09:08.30 | canllaith | stupid stupid ones |
| 09:08.38 | physos | canllaith: works fine here |
| 09:08.48 | physos | both of them. |
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| 09:09.03 | canllaith | like kmail.css in the makefile, but the filename is kmail-about.css |
| 09:09.25 | canllaith | did you cvs up half an hour ago? |
| 09:09.30 | physos | canllaith: no |
| 09:09.34 | physos | yesterday. |
| 09:09.35 | canllaith | well there you go. |
| 09:09.40 | physos | canllaith: ah, ok. |
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| 09:16.11 | physos | canllaith: why sylpheed and not thunderbird? Never heard about sylpheed before. |
| 09:16.30 | canllaith | because sylpheed takes 6MB of my memory |
| 09:16.39 | physos | canllaith: heh, thats nice. |
| 09:16.42 | canllaith | and I don't think thunderbird could do this in it's wildest dreams |
| 09:16.43 | canllaith | :P |
| 09:17.05 | canllaith | I used to use sylpheed under icewm when I had even less memory than now |
| 09:17.11 | canllaith | and dillo for my webbrowser :P |
| 09:17.18 | canllaith | even on 128MB I would not swap out then |
| 09:18.32 | slayerbob | how do i make ps display the memory usage of each process ? |
| 09:18.38 | canllaith | ps aux |
| 09:18.53 | canllaith | but you're best to cat /proc/<pid>/stat |
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| 09:19.15 | llpamies_ | How can I set kdevelop if I want to it generates the *ui classes before try to compile any cpp ?? |
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| 09:27.39 | ponto | llpamies_: when you have a qmake project it is done automatically. |
| 09:27.57 | ponto | llpamies_: i guess it is also done for the kde projects. |
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| 09:28.25 | llpamies_ | poto: I didn't happen |
| 09:28.34 | llpamies_ | ponto, .. :) |
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| 09:47.10 | llpamies_ | hey ponto. I've played with kdevelop, but in a standard Make project I can set for compile first *ui |
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| 09:49.44 | ponto | llpamies_: is this a question or a statement? |
| 09:50.35 | llpamies_ | is a statment, Know yoy what can be the problem ? |
| 09:50.43 | llpamies_ | yoy = you :p |
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| 10:11.44 | hareldvd | cdrom icon failes to mount. What can I do? |
| 10:14.32 | slayerbob | hareldvd: i would start by starting up a konsole and typing mount /dev/cdrom as root to see if it works that way |
| 10:14.40 | ponto | hareldvd: which error message? |
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| 10:19.53 | aseigo | slayerbob: is canllaith still around there? |
| 10:21.23 | slayerbob | not sure |
| 10:21.27 | slayerbob | she seems to have vanished |
| 10:21.37 | slayerbob | i am guessing that she fell asleep at her notebook again |
| 10:21.45 | Renze | she's still on msn |
| 10:21.48 | slayerbob | apparently kde is badly broken on dell atm :( |
| 10:22.25 | Renze | yes, canllaith is not a happy camper |
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| 10:24.22 | c-101 | Hi |
| 10:24.29 | hareldvd | ponto: could not mount device ... only root can mount... |
| 10:25.14 | slayerbob | hareldvd: not sure about kde, but in general in linux that means that you need to edit your /etc/fstab file |
| 10:25.19 | hareldvd | slayerbob: root mount works just fine. Thanks. |
| 10:25.37 | slayerbob | hareldvd: yes it would |
| 10:26.09 | ponto | hareldvd: mormally one adds user to the options of the mountpoint |
| 10:26.48 | hareldvd | ponto: slayerbob: I think the problem has to do with a util with a setuid bit which is not set for some reason. |
| 10:27.15 | slayerbob | quite possibly - i always mount my cds with mount /dev/cdrom :) |
| 10:27.16 | ponto | hareldvd: for mounting you do not need the setuid bit. |
| 10:27.20 | hareldvd | ponto: I didn't get it. What do you mean add user to mount option? |
| 10:27.21 | slayerbob | so i am not familiar with the kde tools |
| 10:28.02 | hareldvd | ponto: if mount is a previledged command that only root can perform then how will a plain user mount if not with a setuid bit util? |
| 10:28.14 | ponto | hareldvd: /dev/brenner /mnt/brenner udf,iso9660 noauto,user,kudzu,ro 0 0 the user option tells the kernel that a normal user is allowed to mount the device. |
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| 10:28.52 | hareldvd | ponto: that's something I was not aware of. Is it Linux specific? |
| 10:29.02 | ponto | hareldvd: however modern distributions as suse 9.3 do not require you to mount devices, because they are automatically mounted on demand. |
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| 10:29.14 | ponto | hareldvd: i guess it's not linux specific. |
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| 10:31.59 | hareldvd | ponto: thanks, It works fine now. I never bumped into this option on Solaris before. I'll double check. Thansk a bundle. |
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| 10:32.27 | apokryphos | Has anyone else here got taskbar v2.0 running, from kde-look? |
| 10:32.59 | Renze | yes |
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| 10:34.19 | apokryphos | Renze: After the make install is done correctly, just what do you do? |
| 10:34.38 | Renze | apokryphos: right click on the panel, select Add -> Applet -> Taskbar v2 |
| 10:34.58 | hareldvd | ponto: talking about mount, do you know if there is a mount option to enable mandatory lock? |
| 10:35.09 | apokryphos | Renze: I feel like an idiot :D |
| 10:35.11 | ponto | hareldvd: no, read the mount manpage. |
| 10:35.17 | apokryphos | Thanks for your help, renze :) |
| 10:35.23 | Renze | no problem |
| 10:35.38 | hareldvd | ponto: for mandatory lock I did read the man but didn't find anything. |
| 10:36.14 | apokryphos | Renze: When hovering over... is it meant to only give you a screeenshot of the window you're in? |
| 10:36.27 | Renze | apokryphos: I turned that option off |
| 10:36.35 | hareldvd | ponto: one more thing if you please, I changed mount points to some partitions and now on fsck on boot time I see old names. Do you know where I should change partition names? |
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| 10:36.48 | c-101 | Hi again :-) |
| 10:36.49 | apokryphos | Renze: Ahh, no worries. I see I had to originally check each one out. It's pretty cool, though I don't doubt it'll get annoying. =) |
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| 10:39.05 | apokryphos | Renze: How would you configure it? |
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| 10:39.38 | Renze | apokryphos: there's a minor bug in that particular applet... you need to do a "dcop kicker kicker restart" before the config options appear |
| 10:40.20 | willwork4foo | sup yo Renze |
| 10:40.29 | Renze | yo, crazy foo |
| 10:40.31 | willwork4foo | yay |
| 10:40.51 | willwork4foo | hey dude - you wouldn't happen to know anything about getting VNC working on a Solaris 9 box? |
| 10:41.00 | willwork4foo | I'm having fun doing it now... it's a biyatch |
| 10:41.05 | apokryphos | Renze: Thanks again. |
| 10:41.09 | Renze | willwork4foo: send me a solaris 9 box and I'll sort it out for you :) |
| 10:41.17 | Renze | apokryphos: no problem |
| 10:41.18 | willwork4foo | Renze: no can do mate |
| 10:41.22 | willwork4foo | sorry |
| 10:41.27 | willwork4foo | I need all three of mine |
| 10:41.30 | Renze | worth a try :) |
| 10:42.30 | slayerbob | Renze: install vodka |
| 10:42.36 | Renze | slayerbob: I would if I had any |
| 10:42.53 | slayerbob | at the very least it will replace the heat-induced headache with a vodka-induced headache :P |
| 10:43.24 | slayerbob | apparently it is some german drink |
| 10:43.35 | slayerbob | or maybe it is czech |
| 10:43.38 | slayerbob | somewhere in europe in any case |
| 10:44.05 | Renze | I've been recommended to try Luksusowa... polish potato vodka |
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| 10:44.10 | slayerbob | it is 20% non-alcohol though :( |
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| 10:48.11 | slayerbob | lol |
| 10:48.15 | slayerbob | solaris 9 ? |
| 10:48.20 | sgnut | Hi all!! A question that I don't have find the answer yet... what is the best way for make that a thread changes a widget? I mean, I have a qtable and I want that it be changed (with setText method, for example) by the thread |
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| 10:48.26 | slayerbob | yay! |
| 10:48.29 | canllaith | ok, note to self |
| 10:48.31 | canllaith | do not ever |
| 10:48.33 | canllaith | ever |
| 10:48.34 | willwork4foo | slayerbob: yep. I use a Sun Ultra 10 box as a server. |
| 10:48.38 | canllaith | use both unsermake & gnu make on kdelibs |
| 10:48.39 | willwork4foo | lo canllaith |
| 10:48.40 | slayerbob | believe aseigo ? |
| 10:48.42 | slayerbob | ah |
| 10:48.43 | slayerbob | :P |
| 10:48.49 | willwork4foo | been having fun then? |
| 10:48.53 | canllaith | cause that's Very Bad News(tm) |
| 10:49.02 | slayerbob | willwork4foo: you do know that solaris 10 is free now ? |
| 10:49.04 | aseigo | sgnut: with qt3 you have to send a msg to the main thread |
| 10:49.13 | willwork4foo | slayerbob: yep I do. I work for Sun.# |
| 10:49.14 | aseigo | sgnut: with qt4 you can connect signals/slots across threads |
| 10:49.25 | willwork4foo | I knew about Solaris 10 before you folks did. |
| 10:49.35 | aseigo | slayerbob: believe what? |
| 10:49.36 | canllaith | gosh, do you want a medal ? |
| 10:49.45 | slayerbob | aseigo: anything you say :P |
| 10:49.45 | aseigo | oh.. do not ever ever believe me |
| 10:49.46 | aseigo | =P |
| 10:49.54 | willwork4foo | sod off canllaith you sarky cow... :) |
| 10:50.01 | Renze | aseigo: I don't believe you :) |
| 10:50.01 | canllaith | It's ok, we don't. |
| 10:50.07 | slayerbob | aseigo: i figured it had been at least half an hour since someone had picked on you |
| 10:50.07 | aseigo | ahahahaah |
| 10:50.12 | slayerbob | can't let the standards slip :P |
| 10:50.14 | aseigo | fuck all of you. |
| 10:50.18 | slayerbob | lol |
| 10:50.19 | canllaith | we adore you and regard you with awe |
| 10:50.21 | sgnut | aseigo: mmm nice, like in VC and PostMessage in windows :P I'm not familiarized with qt yet :( What is the method that I must call to send a message to another thread? |
| 10:50.25 | canllaith | but none of us trust you, even though we could throw you far |
| 10:50.30 | canllaith | :) |
| 10:50.37 | aseigo | canllaith: i no longer believe you. line up with the rest of them up against the Fuck You wall |
| 10:50.40 | willwork4foo | aseigo: I'm feelin there's a lotta love here for ya |
| 10:50.48 | willwork4foo | LOL |
| 10:50.50 | canllaith | aseigo: I refuse ;) Make me |
| 10:50.50 | aseigo | willwork4foo: oh yeah. it just radiates. |
| 10:51.08 | aseigo | there. |
| 10:51.14 | willwork4foo | looks like you're there canllaith |
| 10:51.23 | aseigo | ok. that's creepy. i'm actually eating a sandwich with tomato right now |
| 10:51.35 | Renze | aseigo: we know... we're watching you |
| 10:51.36 | canllaith | <grin> |
| 10:51.38 | slayerbob | you think we can't see you ? |
| 10:51.39 | slayerbob | :| |
| 10:51.39 | willwork4foo | obviously you've not found the cameras yet |
| 10:51.41 | aseigo | aaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 10:52.17 | willwork4foo | I've got three windows open now with camera feeds. one on aseigo, one on canllaith... I turned the one on Renze off because it was too... unsettling |
| 10:52.18 | willwork4foo | :) |
| 10:52.29 | Renze | well, I am naked :) |
| 10:52.33 | willwork4foo | yep. |
| 10:52.35 | willwork4foo | I know. |
| 10:52.45 | slayerbob | willwork4foo: actually you only think that's canllaith - we actually routed the camera elsewhere :) |
| 10:53.13 | willwork4foo | slayerbob: ah... so that's why she doesn't look anything like her picture - I thought it was a trick of the light. |
| 10:53.13 | canllaith | bahahahaha |
| 10:53.17 | slayerbob | LOL aseigo |
| 10:53.20 | canllaith | aseigo: I thought it was ruby ;) |
| 10:53.31 | c-101 | mmm |
| 10:53.39 | c-101 | aseigo, is there software tint on the kicker in beta2 ? |
| 10:54.08 | aseigo | c-101: yes. why? |
| 10:54.11 | physos | BTW, I just reconfigured my tint colour and tint is gone. |
| 10:54.12 | willwork4foo | c-101: there's software tint on the kicker since like ages ago? |
| 10:54.28 | aseigo | canllaith: well, i thought i'd keep the joke straigthforward so even you people'd get it quickly =P |
| 10:54.43 | aseigo | (gloves? what gloves? they were never on to come off in the first place) |
| 10:54.44 | c-101 | because i donwloaded the snapshot for yesterday and software tint works like a switch |
| 10:54.57 | aseigo | like a switch? |
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| 10:55.05 | c-101 | 0 tint means transparent, anything else is solid kicker |
| 10:55.06 | willwork4foo | erm |
| 10:55.12 | Cerulean | What is the dcop call to refresh the system tray? |
| 10:55.16 | canllaith | mmm works fine here |
| 10:55.21 | Cerulean | or restart |
| 10:55.33 | aseigo | refresh the systray? |
| 10:55.41 | aseigo | why do you need to refresh the systray? |
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| 10:56.05 | c-101 | wel.. i mean software tint + transparency |
| 10:56.07 | Cerulean | aseigo: To see a new applet that (should be) in the menu |
| 10:56.17 | Cerulean | under Add .. |
| 10:56.20 | aseigo | c-101: yes, that should work.... |
| 10:56.27 | aseigo | Cerulean: oh. the panel. kicker. hahaha. |
| 10:56.30 | c-101 | well... it does not work for me |
| 10:56.33 | c-101 | :-( |
| 10:56.54 | Renze | Cerulean: it helps when you use the right terms :) |
| 10:56.55 | aseigo | Cerulean: if it doesn't show up it probably isn't installed properly. but if you want to double check do `dcop kicker kicker restart` |
| 10:56.57 | canllaith | Cerulean: dcop kicker kicker restart |
| 10:57.09 | canllaith | and if you're not using cvs head then yeah, you need to restart kicker sometimes for new applets to show up |
| 10:57.11 | Cerulean | hrm, my bad. |
| 10:57.12 | aseigo | canllaith: oh. yes. i wanted to ask you something. |
| 10:57.24 | canllaith | ok |
| 10:57.25 | aseigo | canllaith: you have the new xcomposite support in kde working right? |
| 10:57.26 | c-101 | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93575 <---- this is exactly what i am seeing |
| 10:57.29 | Cerulean | yeah, thanks. |
| 10:57.30 | canllaith | aseigo: Yes |
| 10:57.32 | flosch | hi |
| 10:57.44 | aseigo | canllaith: does it bugger up with the kicker mouse over animations? |
| 10:57.56 | canllaith | aseigo: 2 secs |
| 10:58.06 | aseigo | c-101: hrm. well, it certainly works here. |
| 10:58.07 | aseigo | er, work here |
| 10:58.17 | aseigo | c-101: that was the fix near the end, actually =) |
| 10:58.24 | flosch | hi |
| 10:58.25 | c-101 | mmm |
| 10:58.49 | c-101 | mmmm |
| 10:58.57 | aseigo | c-101: does your kicker.cpp have that line in it, or something different? |
| 10:59.03 | Cerulean | systray v2 is pretty cool. Any chances of its features being integrated? |
| 10:59.04 | canllaith | It most definitely is fixed :) |
| 10:59.06 | canllaith | aseigo: yes it does |
| 10:59.14 | canllaith | aseigo: it paints the drop shadows before the animation finishes |
| 10:59.26 | canllaith | so there is this ugly black rectangle, then the tips ripple over it |
| 10:59.29 | c-101 | aseigo, well... my cpp has no any reference to m_tintValue |
| 10:59.43 | c-101 | that's why i asked you about support of software tint in beta2 |
| 10:59.59 | aseigo | c-101: oh... right. the new settings. |
| 11:00.02 | aseigo | that was post 3.2 |
| 11:00.18 | aseigo | that was earlier tonight.. er.. yesterday.. whenever |
| 11:00.28 | aseigo | canllaith: right.. ok... |
| 11:00.48 | aseigo | canllaith: but you aren't seeing this, right: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96804 |
| 11:01.37 | canllaith | Is it possible it's specific to xcompmgr, and not present in kompmgr ? |
| 11:01.44 | canllaith | but no, that doesn't happen for me |
| 11:01.52 | physos | aseigo: it is no longer working (again) transparency that is. CVS from yesterday. I worked fine, until I changed the settings. |
| 11:01.55 | canllaith | tooltip functions perfectly normally, just the drop shadow is painted immediately |
| 11:01.58 | aseigo | motherfuckers. it's an int in the config... and i need to post-process it. |
| 11:02.23 | c-101 | lol |
| 11:02.30 | canllaith | lol |
| 11:04.37 | slayerbob | stroh! |
| 11:05.03 | c-101 | itemTintValue = new KConfigSkeleton::ItemInt( currentGroup(), QString::fromLatin1( "TintValue" ) <--- ¿This? |
| 11:05.18 | canllaith | ack |
| 11:05.20 | canllaith | NO |
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| 11:05.25 | canllaith | don't drink the stroh !!! |
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| 11:05.29 | canllaith | :P bbs |
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| 11:05.38 | slayerbob | is not too bad in minute quantities with an entire glass of coke :P |
| 11:06.05 | physos | slayerbob: you know this stuff is expensive for a reason? ;) |
| 11:06.09 | apokryphos | Renze: Had some dcop problems (just installed new distro), so only got to restart it now. Did a restart, and can't see the Configure option anywhere... |
| 11:06.20 | canllaith | damn I hate meinproc |
| 11:06.25 | Renze | apokryphos: do you have applet handles visible? |
| 11:06.31 | aseigo | ok.. fix coming up |
| 11:06.44 | apokryphos | Renze: Not sure what that is, so probably not. |
| 11:07.03 | slayerbob | physos: is it ? |
| 11:07.04 | Renze | apokryphos: do you have little drag handles next to your applets so you can move them around? |
| 11:07.09 | slayerbob | seems to be free to me :P |
| 11:07.37 | physos | slayerbob: yeah, because it gives you lots of acoholic coke ;) |
| 11:07.40 | apokryphos | Renze: Yup, but they're invisible till I hover over. |
| 11:07.43 | physos | alcoholic |
| 11:07.50 | Renze | apokryphos: click on the little arrow pointing up |
| 11:07.52 | physos | yeah, I can still type. |
| 11:08.02 | apokryphos | Renze: I see it. I was selecting the one to the right of the panel. Ergh. Thanks. |
| 11:08.04 | slayerbob | physos: it's only 80% |
| 11:08.12 | aseigo | ok... cvs up and you'll have your tint back |
| 11:08.13 | slayerbob | that's 20% just wasted |
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| 11:08.39 | slayerbob | ullo :) |
| 11:08.45 | aseigo | canllaith: ok.. i'm going to close that bug then and just say it's a bug in xcompmgr because it sucks =P |
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| 11:09.31 | canllaith | aseigo: do it ;) |
| 11:10.33 | aseigo | does it |
| 11:10.53 | c-101 | ouahj! dude, new about:konqueror really rocks! |
| 11:11.16 | Cerulean | c-101: Is it that new blue thing? |
| 11:11.23 | c-101 | Celestar, yep |
| 11:11.31 | Celestar | ? |
| 11:11.35 | Cerulean | c-101: Is that also in KControl |
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| 11:12.11 | willwork4foo | do I remember hearing that there was a special KDE version of xcompmgr? |
| 11:12.23 | c-101 | yes... but it is not only the new appearence |
| 11:12.37 | willwork4foo | what's it called? |
| 11:12.47 | Cerulean | willwork4foo: kompmgr? |
| 11:12.51 | willwork4foo | aha. |
| 11:13.00 | Cerulean | I'm not too sure what it is, just heard it being mentioned a few days ago |
| 11:13.39 | physos | willwork4foo: when in doubt, replace x with k --> replace g with k --> replace c with k --> add k's as needed. |
| 11:13.51 | willwork4foo | ok |
| 11:14.04 | aseigo | hahahaha |
| 11:14.06 | aseigo | or rather |
| 11:14.07 | aseigo | kakakakaka |
| 11:14.16 | aseigo | it's Mars Attacks! |
| 11:14.23 | Renze | akakakakakak <-- popeye |
| 11:14.27 | aseigo | the martians are kde hackers! |
| 11:14.31 | aseigo | and popeye too! |
| 11:15.15 | willwork4K | does anyone actually know where the K in KDE comes from? |
| 11:15.16 | Renze | we kan do without apps kalled KKK though |
| 11:15.22 | willwork4K | this is true. |
| 11:15.29 | willwork4K | that kould be embarrassing. |
| 11:15.34 | willwork4K | and fairly bad taste. |
| 11:17.35 | Cerulean | Anyone running KDE 3.4 via portage? |
| 11:17.42 | Kanllaith | damn it takes a while on a 500 |
| 11:17.58 | Renze | hot wax strips? |
| 11:18.07 | willwork4K | dammit this .iso.bz2 file is being a bitch to uncompress. |
| 11:18.12 | willwork4K | Konqueror can't handle it. |
| 11:18.26 | Kanllaith | erm |
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| 11:18.31 | willwork4K | and bunzip on the command line can't do it either. |
| 11:18.31 | Kanllaith | s/on/at/ |
| 11:18.46 | Renze | ,':) |
| 11:19.01 | Kanllaith | heh |
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| 11:19.08 | Kanllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.10 | Kanllaith | is more like it |
| 11:19.16 | sarah03 | Kanllaith: Your freudian slip is showing. ;) |
| 11:19.30 | canllaith | :P |
| 11:19.37 | canllaith | and being sleepy and building kde cvs |
| 11:19.47 | canllaith | which always turns my brain to a puddle of molten rock or something |
| 11:20.02 | canllaith | what's that charming word for what happens to metal exposed to extremely high radiation? |
| 11:20.03 | canllaith | slag. |
| 11:20.18 | canllaith | My brain has dissolved into slag |
| 11:21.24 | aseigo | it's 2:20 there? |
| 11:21.24 | canllaith | nah |
| 11:21.24 | canllaith | only just past midnight |
| 11:21.24 | aseigo | 1:20? |
| 11:21.26 | aseigo | 0:20? |
| 11:21.31 | Renze | 0:21 |
| 11:21.32 | canllaith | last |
| 11:22.47 | Renze | aseigo: yeah, but I bet it's not Sunday :) |
| 11:22.57 | aseigo | right |
| 11:25.39 | canllaith | heh ok this is siggable |
| 11:25.45 | canllaith | "Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature." |
| 11:25.57 | slayerbob | my brain has dissolved into stroh |
| 11:26.02 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 11:26.04 | canllaith | aseigo: you should make that your 'tagline' for all bugs you close etc on b.k.o :P |
| 11:26.28 | canllaith | see how many flamewars you can start |
| 11:26.28 | slayerbob | lol |
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| 11:28.17 | willwork4foo | OK... Konqueror's file decompression thing is buggered in 3.4 beta 1. |
| 11:28.42 | willwork4foo | I've just tried to decompress three different large files, and none of them worked. |
| 11:29.20 | willwork4foo | One of them is a compressed iso file (.iso.bz2 file) which was 467MB in size - the resulting .iso file that konqueror gave me was 8.9MB. |
| 11:30.24 | slayerbob | willwork4foo: that's quite impressive compression |
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| 11:30.37 | slayerbob | it's not every day that you get a negative amount of compression on such a large file |
| 11:30.48 | aseigo | it's a feature |
| 11:30.48 | willwork4foo | slayerbob: yeah I thought so. except it was supposed to DEcompress. |
| 11:30.59 | slayerbob | aseigo: you wrote that one then ? :P |
| 11:31.00 | aseigo | willwork4foo: so they say |
| 11:31.12 | brucehoult | every non-trivial file can be compressed by at least one bit |
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| 11:31.32 | slayerbob | brucehoult: that is logically flawed and you know it |
| 11:31.34 | brucehoult | or so went a claim I once saw |
| 11:31.42 | brucehoult | and dissected |
| 11:31.44 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 11:31.52 | willwork4foo | aseigo: it's a kind of weird feature. especially since it used to work fine. |
| 11:32.02 | brucehoult | and applied iteration to |
| 11:32.09 | slayerbob | willwork4foo: see his previous comment about it being a feature :) |
| 11:33.12 | brucehoult | see the comp.compression FAQ :-) http://www.cd.sc.ehu.es/DOCS/mice/compression-faq/part1/faq-doc-8.html |
| 11:33.28 | chimaera | hi. |
| 11:34.02 | chimaera | any chance that kdeextragear-1 depends on kdeextragear-libs-1? |
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| 11:34.49 | brucehoult | <pre>virtually any amount of computer data can |
| 11:34.49 | brucehoult | be compressed to under 1024 bytes using DataFiles/16 to compress its |
| 11:34.49 | brucehoult | own output files muliple times. Then, by repeating in reverse the |
| 11:34.49 | brucehoult | steps taken to perform the recusive compression, all original data |
| 11:34.50 | brucehoult | can be decompressed to its original form without the loss of a single |
| 11:34.50 | brucehoult | bit.</pre> |
| 11:35.17 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 11:35.30 | slayerbob | i see the person that wrote did not know anything about information theory |
| 11:35.38 | brucehoult | you think? |
| 11:35.42 | willwork4foo | seems that way. |
| 11:36.02 | slayerbob | :P |
| 11:36.08 | willwork4foo | ah, that's a bit better. |
| 11:36.09 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 11:36.18 | willwork4foo | it decompressed the file properly that time. on the fourth attempt. |
| 11:36.19 | sarah03 | That would be nice, if it were true. |
| 11:36.20 | slayerbob | according to dave there was going to be a duke nukem movie |
| 11:36.24 | slayerbob | but sadly we do not have it :( |
| 11:36.54 | sarah03 | I suppose if you're willing to go for extremely lossy compression, any file can be compressed to 0 bytes in size. |
| 11:37.10 | slayerbob | :P |
| 11:37.27 | physos | aseigo: ok, now I get a left screen border panel with an empty .kdecvs |
| 11:37.53 | aseigo | physos: no, you get a panel at the top, not the left. |
| 11:37.56 | willwork4foo | sarah03: I've got the ultimate in lossy compression right here |
| 11:37.57 | willwork4foo | rm |
| 11:37.59 | aseigo | physos: how old is your check out? |
| 11:38.04 | physos | yesterday. |
| 11:38.04 | aseigo | physos: i'm guessing at least a few hours |
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| 11:38.12 | sarah03 | willwork4foo: Hm. I like /dev/null myself. :) |
| 11:38.14 | physos | aseigo: Yeah I saw your commits. |
| 11:38.23 | willwork4foo | sarah03: mv /dev/null |
| 11:38.27 | physos | aseigo: I just wondered why it was left and not top. |
| 11:38.33 | willwork4foo | mv mylovelyfile /dev/null |
| 11:38.36 | Renze | sarah03: I've always been partial to echo -n >filename |
| 11:38.46 | willwork4foo | Renze: echo -n ? |
| 11:38.50 | willwork4foo | echo null? |
| 11:38.56 | Renze | willwork4foo: no newline :) |
| 11:38.56 | canllaith | chomps newlines iirc ? |
| 11:38.57 | brucehoult | no newline |
| 11:38.59 | canllaith | yeah :) |
| 11:38.59 | willwork4foo | ah. |
| 11:39.14 | brucehoult | echo \r on some systems |
| 11:39.39 | slayerbob | brucehoult: not on any systems worth speaking of :) |
| 11:39.41 | physos | aseigo: but I got kontact ?? ok, some more investigation on the config files from hell which appear to interfere. |
| 11:39.46 | brucehoult | HP/UX |
| 11:39.51 | brucehoult | well, as you said.... |
| 11:39.57 | slayerbob | :P |
| 11:40.00 | willwork4foo | yay! |
| 11:40.03 | willwork4foo | k3b fanfare |
| 11:40.40 | canllaith | it is for me after great stuffing around |
| 11:41.02 | aseigo | RAH RAH rasputin lover of the russian queen! |
| 11:41.59 | brucehoult | eeek! boney M!!! |
| 11:42.06 | canllaith | what's wrong with boney M? ? |
| 11:42.19 | brucehoult | you probably have Kylie as well. |
| 11:42.24 | Renze | * by the rivers of babylon... where we sat down... * |
| 11:42.25 | brucehoult | And Village People |
| 11:42.33 | canllaith | village people? |
| 11:42.35 | canllaith | what is that? |
| 11:42.47 | physos | canllaith: Y M C A |
| 11:42.58 | aseigo | new pet peeve with b.k.o: users who try and diagnose problems. |
| 11:43.05 | aseigo | just report. don't diagnose. |
| 11:43.07 | aseigo | gah! |
| 11:43.10 | canllaith | mmmm k |
| 11:43.11 | slayerbob | :| |
| 11:43.17 | slayerbob | you don't know village people ? |
| 11:43.20 | StevenR | canllaith: do you have cvs kate? |
| 11:43.21 | canllaith | no, I don't...... |
| 11:43.24 | canllaith | StevenR: sure do |
| 11:43.27 | slayerbob | soon fix that :P |
| 11:43.29 | physos | time for food. |
| 11:43.38 | slayerbob | brucehoult probably has their cd :P |
| 11:43.48 | canllaith | prolly on the ipod somewhere |
| 11:43.54 | aseigo | (walks into doctor's office) "doc, it hurts when i breath. i think i have scabes." doc: "no you don't. let me look" me: "no no, i'm sure it's scabes" |
| 11:43.58 | StevenR | canllaith: does it have any syntax highlighting for any high-level math languages, like algae or octave? |
| 11:44.00 | brucehoult | I'm a frayed knot |
| 11:44.24 | canllaith | octave I know it does already |
| 11:44.25 | canllaith | and matlab |
| 11:44.28 | canllaith | others... let me check |
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| 11:44.43 | canllaith | GDL matlab octave and scilab |
| 11:44.47 | praseodymium | when I log in to kde my keyboard stops working after it inits the peripherals - how do I fix it |
| 11:45.01 | slayerbob | ah the experimental drink: beer + stroh |
| 11:45.15 | slayerbob | gdl ? |
| 11:45.23 | canllaith | ew |
| 11:45.27 | canllaith | I am so glad I am not there |
| 11:45.29 | slayerbob | yup |
| 11:45.31 | slayerbob | nooo |
| 11:45.38 | StevenR | ok, thanks canllaith |
| 11:45.39 | slayerbob | canllaith should be here :( |
| 11:46.17 | slayerbob | anyways, gdl ? |
| 11:46.43 | canllaith | no idea |
| 11:46.44 | canllaith | google :p |
| 11:46.50 | canllaith | the only two I recognised were matlab and octave |
| 11:46.50 | slayerbob | lol |
| 11:48.46 | canllaith | heh heh heh |
| 11:48.54 | canllaith | VMS, n.: The world's foremost multi-user adventure game. |
| 11:49.02 | StevenR | aseigo: "user: i think the networking on this is rubbish, i can't access the shares....tech: no it's the switch that's off.....user: no the switch is is on, it must be the drivers or something....(click of power switch).tech: does it work now?.....user: o " |
| 11:49.31 | aseigo | StevenR: things that make me dislike people fervently, yes |
| 11:49.34 | brucehoult | "do you still have the box your computer came in?" |
| 11:49.50 | aseigo | "do you still have that cyanide capsule i gave you?" |
| 11:50.01 | StevenR | canllaith: i think solaris is quite good as an adventure game |
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| 11:50.59 | brucehoult | AOS/VS was quite good. It even had an "xyzzy" command |
| 11:51.02 | praseodymium | when I log in to KDE my keyboard doesnt work, how do I fix? |
| 11:51.21 | StevenR | aseigo: i like my mum w.r.t computer problems...she just says "I dont care why it's broken...just fix it please" |
| 11:51.44 | slayerbob | ah the blank cheque customers :) |
| 11:51.59 | slayerbob | except when they don't want to pay like family members :( |
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| 11:52.35 | brucehoult | I have few problame swith that. "I'm sorry ... I don't know anything about Windows..." |
| 11:52.42 | StevenR | slayerbob: no, i get paid in hardware.....dad's a programmer....i'm the sysadmin/tech-support |
| 11:53.15 | slayerbob | hmmm.... that's a good tactic brucehoult |
| 11:53.25 | canllaith | bahahahaha |
| 11:53.26 | StevenR | brucehoult: slackware linux on every machine here.....windows is banned from accessing the internet...tends to break less |
| 11:53.31 | canllaith | http://www.zorg.org/unixhumour/whack_1.html |
| 11:53.40 | brucehoult | with the follow-up: "have you considered a nice little iMac?" |
| 11:53.44 | canllaith | ew |
| 11:53.47 | praseodymium | StevenR: how do you ban windoze? or cant u do that automatically |
| 11:53.52 | canllaith | :P |
| 11:53.58 | aseigo | yeah, a nice little mac is certainly the answer |
| 11:54.06 | aseigo | because everyone can figure that out |
| 11:54.21 | canllaith | Yep, it's certainly not the worst user interface I have ever used or anything. |
| 11:54.23 | aseigo | like that client of mine which has all macs, have had for years and years, and their users get along so well |
| 11:54.27 | aseigo | oh wait. no. they don't. |
| 11:54.34 | aseigo | they constantly have usage problems |
| 11:54.46 | slayerbob | heh |
| 11:54.51 | StevenR | praseodymium: by telling everyone. "DO NOT go on the internet in windows. Just DONT....use the nice little buttons on the kde desktop labelled 'intenet stop' and 'internet go' " |
| 11:54.59 | slayerbob | i worked in a computer lab at my uni for a few years |
| 11:55.04 | slayerbob | we had 20% macs and 80% pcs |
| 11:55.04 | aseigo | Apple: We used to be awesome compared to everything else and just continue to lie to you that we still are and you SUCKERS believe it! AAHAAHAHHA |
| 11:55.11 | slayerbob | and noone used the macs |
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| 11:55.24 | slayerbob | and even so the vast majority of the problems we had were with the macs |
| 11:55.53 | praseodymium | StevenR: huh what do those buttons do then |
| 11:55.54 | Julianyus | hi |
| 11:56.04 | StevenR | praseodymium: they dial or hangup the modem |
| 11:56.18 | praseodymium | StevenR: ohhh... I'm used to cable |
| 11:56.19 | aseigo | ok. i'm done abusing kicker and not sleeping. |
| 11:56.24 | StevenR | praseodymium: and it's working thus far.....they all like kde so much |
| 11:56.29 | slayerbob | imo managing to be more unstable than windows is quite a feat |
| 11:56.31 | praseodymium | StevenR: :) |
| 11:56.38 | slayerbob | although the windows was nt4 |
| 11:56.39 | slayerbob | but even so |
| 11:57.27 | willwork4foo | I'm considering getting a Mac Mini |
| 11:57.29 | praseodymium | but anyway... when I log in to KDE my keyboard doesnt work, how do I fix this? |
| 11:57.42 | StevenR | our school used to have an entire network running thin client style off of a dx2/66 with os2/warp on it....win3.1 was the workstation os....whole network used to go down at a time |
| 11:57.46 | canllaith | praseodymium: create a new user and try as that user. See if the problem is still there |
| 11:57.52 | willwork4foo | because I've never had a mess around with OSX and I'm intrigued |
| 11:58.03 | praseodymium | canllaith: its only after it inits the peripherals |
| 11:58.11 | canllaith | praseodymium: did you try as another user |
| 11:58.15 | StevenR | willwork4foo: it's not that great, my flatmate has a mac....i prefer kde...tis just better |
| 11:58.16 | praseodymium | canllaith: I will |
| 11:58.17 | slayerbob | canllaith: as in "the macintosh os is not even remotely intuitive" ? |
| 11:58.26 | willwork4foo | hey canllaith - question for ya. I've got a 5 button mouse... does KDE offer anything cool that I can use to set my two spare buttons to do? |
| 11:58.29 | aseigo | nothing's intuitive |
| 11:58.31 | aseigo | everything's learned |
| 11:58.36 | canllaith | exactly |
| 11:58.43 | willwork4foo | aseigo: agreed |
| 11:58.43 | canllaith | willwork4foo: you actually have a 7 button mouse |
| 11:58.48 | slayerbob | i am sure it was not always that way |
| 11:58.50 | StevenR | the nipple is intuitive |
| 11:58.53 | willwork4foo | canllaith: alright, smart ass... |
| 11:58.55 | canllaith | willwork4foo: and I have a short tutorial for you |
| 11:58.55 | willwork4foo | :) |
| 11:58.56 | slayerbob | although i cannot remember it not being so |
| 11:58.58 | praseodymium | willwork4foo: use some x hacks, nothing KDE for it |
| 11:59.01 | slayerbob | then again, i can't remember last week |
| 11:59.02 | willwork4foo | canllaith: ooo |
| 11:59.05 | aseigo | StevenR: you've never had kids have you? |
| 11:59.06 | canllaith | willwork4foo: but I think I just completely lost the motivation to remember where I put it |
| 11:59.14 | StevenR | aseigo: nope |
| 11:59.21 | willwork4foo | canllaith: aww, I was only playin |
| 11:59.26 | aseigo | StevenR: when you do, get back to me on the "nipple is intuitive" thing... |
| 11:59.26 | canllaith | http://bryson.co.nz/linuxtip.cgi?22 |
| 11:59.28 | aseigo | spoiler: it isn't |
| 11:59.29 | praseodymium | my 8 button mouse works fine |
| 11:59.38 | aseigo | you actually have to teach a baby to nurse |
| 11:59.45 | aseigo | they know how to suck on things |
| 11:59.55 | aseigo | but the nipple/breast thing and latching is completely foreign |
| 12:00.01 | StevenR | aseigo: ok, fair enough.... |
| 12:00.04 | aseigo | so no, the nipple is not intuitive =) |
| 12:00.05 | aseigo | nothing is |
| 12:00.10 | aseigo | we learn everything external to us |
| 12:00.21 | canllaith | I've heard quite a few times lately that 'kde is not intuitive' |
| 12:00.31 | slayerbob | yeah i know |
| 12:00.31 | aseigo | that we even manage to shit and breath without lessons is something of a feat for us ..hahaha |
| 12:00.35 | slayerbob | i had a lot of difficulty using kde |
| 12:00.43 | slayerbob | but once i got used to it it was nice |
| 12:00.43 | aseigo | slayerbob: that's because you grok qm |
| 12:00.46 | canllaith | which has to be the most ridiculous thing I have heard |
| 12:00.53 | slayerbob | oh qm is easy |
| 12:00.55 | aseigo | slayerbob: your brain is wired countergrain to kde=P |
| 12:00.56 | slayerbob | kde on the other hand... |
| 12:00.59 | StevenR | i find kde very intuitive....always always been easy to use for me |
| 12:01.03 | canllaith | since it implies that some things are |
| 12:01.09 | willwork4foo | brb - restarting X (thanks canllaith! |
| 12:01.11 | willwork4foo | ) |
| 12:01.26 | aseigo | slayerbob: not that that'sa bad thing. this world needs as many countergrain brains as we can get |
| 12:01.34 | slayerbob | i mean... what is with the menu being not on right-click by default ? |
| 12:01.52 | canllaith | slayerbob: you -like- how twm works. Nothing more has to be said. |
| 12:01.57 | slayerbob | the kmenu thingo i mean :P |
| 12:02.14 | willwork4foo | canllaith: I reckon KDE is just as "intuitive" as all the other WMs, more so in quite a few places |
| 12:02.20 | willwork4foo | rb |
| 12:02.26 | aseigo | slayerbob: you can make it that way... but it's not what most people expect, since the desktop is the context. |
| 12:02.34 | Cerulean | Is kompmgr included in 3.4-beta1? |
| 12:02.37 | canllaith | No I think intuitive is an amazingly stupid concept |
| 12:02.38 | canllaith | Cerulean: no |
| 12:02.44 | aseigo | consistent, explicity and learnable is about all one can hope for. |
| 12:02.46 | Cerulean | canllaith: Is it in CVS? |
| 12:02.52 | canllaith | Cerulean: obviously :P |
| 12:02.54 | Cerulean | well, i'm sure it is |
| 12:02.55 | aseigo | oh god i need sleep. |
| 12:02.56 | Cerulean | but what module |
| 12:02.57 | canllaith | otherwise it wouldn't exist |
| 12:03.00 | canllaith | kdelibs/kdebase |
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| 12:03.12 | slayerbob | aseigo: i know - i can use kde much more easily now that it is configured nicely :) |
| 12:03.16 | slayerbob | awww |
| 12:03.17 | Cerulean | oh. No suprises there. |
| 12:03.21 | slayerbob | who are we going to pick on now ? |
| 12:03.32 | aseigo | pretend i was a horse |
| 12:03.34 | aseigo | then kick me |
| 12:03.37 | willwork4foo | canllaith: xmodmap bit doesn't work... my .xinitrc file looks like this: kdm & |
| 12:03.38 | willwork4foo | xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5" |
| 12:03.38 | willwork4foo | startkde |
| 12:03.48 | canllaith | kdm & ?? |
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| 12:04.24 | willwork4foo | isn't it better to use kdm rather than xdm with kde? |
| 12:04.37 | sarah03 | kdm doesn't belong in your ~/.xinitrc. |
| 12:04.40 | willwork4foo | ok |
| 12:04.46 | willwork4foo | so where does it go then? |
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| 12:05.40 | canllaith | and startkde? wtf? |
| 12:05.49 | sarah03 | KDM is the login manager; if you want to use it, it goes whereever xdm startup would otherwise go. |
| 12:05.53 | canllaith | indeed |
| 12:05.56 | canllaith | which for you, is rc.M |
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| 12:06.14 | canllaith | .xinitrc is what is run if you use startx..... not kdm |
| 12:06.31 | canllaith | So if you are logging in via kdm |
| 12:07.03 | canllaith | typing in your username & password |
| 12:07.03 | canllaith | from a graphical login manager |
| 12:07.03 | canllaith | then you want to put your xmodmap settings elsewhere |
| 12:07.03 | canllaith | fire up konqueror, go to go -> Autostart |
| 12:07.04 | canllaith | and drop a shell script in there. |
| 12:08.01 | willwork4foo | aw, I'm confused. I start from runlevel 3 in slackware... all I want to be able to do is use KDM and KDE, and use xmodmap. |
| 12:08.04 | willwork4foo | :( |
| 12:08.20 | canllaith | uh |
| 12:08.40 | sarah03 | willwork4foo: How are you getting into X right now? |
| 12:08.49 | willwork4foo | sarah03: I type "startx" |
| 12:09.05 | canllaith | You're right, you are a bit confused |
| 12:09.05 | canllaith | Then why on earth do you think that you want to use KDM ? |
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| 12:09.22 | sarah03 | Ok: Remove 'kdm &' from ~/.xinitrc, and change 'startkde' to 'exec startkde'. |
| 12:09.27 | canllaith | indeed |
| 12:09.29 | willwork4foo | k |
| 12:09.33 | canllaith | even better would be exec /path/to/startkde :) |
| 12:10.19 | willwork4foo | k - restarting X. |
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| 12:11.54 | willwork4foo | K. extra mouse buttons still don't do anything at all. Is it possible to set one of them so that if I click it, it does the equivalent of "show desktop" (minimizes all windows) |
| 12:11.56 | canllaith | Did you set your mouse protocol to explorer ps/2 ? |
| 12:12.08 | canllaith | Of course, first you need to actually get them working |
| 12:12.25 | willwork4foo | lol |
| 12:12.42 | canllaith | if you have scroll mouse over desktop changes desktop |
| 12:13.03 | canllaith | then your other buttons will also which is a good way to test them |
| 12:13.08 | willwork4foo | my protocol is "auto". I'll change that. anything else I should look for in /etc/X11/xorg.conf regarding this? my scroll wheel works fine by the way |
| 12:13.20 | canllaith | Yes, you need to change it |
| 12:13.31 | canllaith | basically in order for it to actually work you need to (funnily enough) actually follow the instructions. |
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| 12:17.46 | willwork4foo | sincerest apologies canllaith. |
| 12:17.55 | canllaith | silly internet connection threw me off :O |
| 12:17.58 | willwork4foo | I missed part of your instructions... I read them too quick. |
| 12:18.00 | canllaith | it's workin now? |
| 12:18.05 | willwork4foo | yes |
| 12:18.09 | canllaith | excellent |
| 12:18.27 | willwork4foo | is it possible to map the buttons to other functions? |
| 12:19.04 | canllaith | I imagine through the keyboard shortcuts dialog? |
| 12:19.25 | canllaith | I can't check right now, having only a 5 button mouse actually on me |
| 12:19.59 | willwork4foo | nope. not possible sadly. |
| 12:20.01 | canllaith | mmm |
| 12:20.07 | canllaith | I used to use imwheel on fluxbox |
| 12:20.09 | willwork4foo | it only recognises keystrokes and not mouse clicks. |
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| 12:20.28 | canllaith | gah excuse me while I go massacre my kicker |
| 12:20.35 | willwork4foo | hit it hard canllaith |
| 12:20.40 | canllaith | :) |
| 12:20.43 | slayerbob | yay |
| 12:20.45 | slayerbob | although may fall off again shortly :( |
| 12:21.04 | willwork4foo | lo slayerbob |
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| 12:21.17 | slayerbob | isp is doing work on their network apparently |
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| 12:22.41 | willwork4foo | I have a network engineer coming to visit me soon today from my ISP |
| 12:22.54 | willwork4foo | my bandwidth keeps dropping off to near zero in bad weather |
| 12:23.14 | canllaith | I'd really really love it if someone could tell me what to do about this |
| 12:23.27 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/kde0017.png |
| 12:23.37 | canllaith | Every time I try to mouse up my kmenu, I flicker over 'lost & found' and end up with -that- |
| 12:24.04 | willwork4foo | bugger me. |
| 12:24.12 | canllaith | it fills my entire screen and is driving me insane |
| 12:24.24 | canllaith | The delay seems to be less on that item |
| 12:24.28 | willwork4foo | is there a way of emptying the lost and found menu? |
| 12:24.41 | willwork4foo | or alternatively just removing it altogether? |
| 12:24.41 | canllaith | eg, I drag my mouse up the menu at a constant pace it wont trigger any other submenu but it WILL that one |
| 12:24.47 | slayerbob | empty lost+found ? |
| 12:24.50 | canllaith | No removing it I don't think so |
| 12:24.53 | canllaith | slayerbob: where? I can't see it |
| 12:24.55 | slayerbob | or is it not linked to one of your partitions ? |
| 12:25.06 | canllaith | The menu is scrolling off the damn screen and I can't get to the end of it |
| 12:25.07 | slayerbob | isn't there a lost+found on each partition ? |
| 12:25.16 | canllaith | um ? |
| 12:25.21 | willwork4foo | there is if it's an ext2 partition |
| 12:25.31 | willwork4foo | but I don't think this is related to that... is it? |
| 12:25.50 | canllaith | I don't think I have one |
| 12:25.55 | fuat | can I also ask QT related questions here? |
| 12:26.13 | willwork4foo | there's a lost+found directory on all UFS solaris partitions, and that's where files get put if the entry dissappears from the disk's VTOC |
| 12:26.16 | canllaith | there is, iirc no option in kicker to disable the lost and found menu |
| 12:26.19 | Cerulean | fuat: Development related? |
| 12:26.25 | willwork4foo | but that's Solaris. and I don't know about linux. |
| 12:26.25 | fuat | Cerulean: yes |
| 12:26.31 | Cerulean | fuat: #kde-devel or #qt |
| 12:26.33 | canllaith | ext does reiserfs iirc does not |
| 12:26.35 | sarah03 | willwork4foo: There's a 'lost+found' always on ext2/ext3 partitions; I dunno about anything else, but XFS, which creates it if necessary. |
| 12:26.44 | fuat | Cerulean: ok kde-devl |
| 12:26.59 | willwork4foo | sarah03: does the KDE lost+found menu link to that? |
| 12:27.05 | sarah03 | willwork4foo: No. |
| 12:27.18 | willwork4foo | didn't think so. that was kind of what I was getting at in my round-about way. |
| 12:27.21 | sarah03 | Those are applications that aren't properly categorized, AFAICT. |
| 12:27.33 | willwork4foo | k |
| 12:27.37 | canllaith | unfortunately, grepping for lost or found in $KDEDIR/share/config isn't coming up with anything |
| 12:27.49 | canllaith | and I am 99.9% confident there is no option in kicker to simply disable that menu |
| 12:28.18 | willwork4foo | so move it |
| 12:28.23 | canllaith | only bookmarks & quickbrowser |
| 12:28.24 | canllaith | move it? |
| 12:28.37 | willwork4foo | open up the menu editor in settings, and just drag it into another menu directory - like "Utilities" |
| 12:28.43 | willwork4foo | that way, it won't trigger. |
| 12:28.45 | canllaith | yeah, that could work |
| 12:28.54 | canllaith | I didn't even think of the menu editor :) |
| 12:29.00 | willwork4foo | :) |
| 12:29.19 | willwork4foo | see I not an idiot 100% of the time... |
| 12:29.19 | canllaith | ........ and crashes kmenuedit :P |
| 12:29.21 | willwork4foo | argh |
| 12:29.42 | willwork4foo | that's not meant to happen is it? |
| 12:29.51 | canllaith | heh no but my kde is slightly borked today |
| 12:30.00 | canllaith | silly me mixing my makes |
| 12:30.10 | canllaith | tyvm for a very sensible suggestion |
| 12:30.14 | willwork4foo | awwwww ty# |
| 12:30.22 | willwork4foo | ty for putting up with me being an idiot earlier. |
| 12:30.34 | canllaith | lol |
| 12:30.42 | canllaith | you're very rarely an idiot you know. |
| 12:31.05 | willwork4foo | although I still don't know how to map my extra buttons to do certain things. |
| 12:31.17 | canllaith | I'll have a look at it later when I have my 7 button mouse back |
| 12:31.26 | canllaith | I brought the cheap one with me incase I lost/smashed/otherwise impaired it |
| 12:31.27 | willwork4foo | I've got multimedia buttons on my keyboard that kshortcut won't recognise either. most annoying. |
| 12:31.36 | canllaith | yeah you'll need to use xmodmap for those |
| 12:31.36 | willwork4foo | fair enough |
| 12:31.44 | willwork4foo | hmm. |
| 12:32.06 | willwork4foo | I seem to remember some funky gnome program that could capture those buttons and do something with their input |
| 12:32.12 | willwork4foo | forget it's name though. |
| 12:32.40 | canllaith | which I can also help you with, but later ;) Need access to my desktop for this. |
| 12:33.03 | willwork4foo | k :) |
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| 12:37.56 | willwork4foo | aha, good stuffs. /opt/sfw/bin |
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| 12:38.14 | slayerbob | wb dessa |
| 12:38.17 | slayerbob | :) |
| 12:38.29 | sarah03 | dessa: Need some glue? |
| 12:38.51 | slayerbob | our isp is apparently fiddling with their network tonight |
| 12:38.57 | sarah03 | Where did my Konqueror go? |
| 12:39.18 | linux-addict | I killed him |
| 12:39.24 | sarah03 | Oh. It was hiding. |
| 12:39.47 | slayerbob | weird... some services drop out and other do not :S |
| 12:39.55 | slayerbob | i guess msn messenger is just badly designed :P |
| 12:40.39 | sarah03 | *shrug* I don't use MSN... so *shrug* |
| 12:40.49 | slayerbob | heh |
| 12:41.01 | slayerbob | i need to write an encrypted chat program anyways |
| 12:41.15 | slayerbob | well... don't need to, but the technology interests me |
| 12:42.35 | willwork4foo | YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:42.45 | willwork4foo | I have managed to get a vncserver working on my solaris box! |
| 12:42.49 | slayerbob | you got vnc working ? |
| 12:42.50 | slayerbob | :P |
| 12:42.54 | willwork4foo | yeah baby |
| 12:42.57 | slayerbob | although vnc is pretty trivial |
| 12:42.58 | willwork4foo | thank fsck |
| 12:43.13 | slayerbob | so really nothing to write home about |
| 12:43.18 | slayerbob | or indeed write to #kde about :P |
| 12:43.25 | willwork4foo | well - it is if you use the right program. tightvnc, realvnc, blastwave's CSWvnc, none of those worked. |
| 12:43.32 | willwork4foo | SFWvnc worked. |
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| 12:46.25 | ficoos | Hi, sometimes my keyboard stops responding and the responds but I cant use key combination (SHIFT+Z) properly |
| 12:47.00 | slayerbob | have you tried capslock z capslock ? |
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| 12:47.51 | DexterF | hi |
| 12:48.13 | DexterF | does anyone know how the smtp passs in kmailrc is scrambled? |
| 12:48.21 | ficoos | slayerbob, capslock is the layout switcher key on my system |
| 12:48.37 | slayerbob | ficoos: that could make for some interesting effects :) |
| 12:49.09 | ficoos | Havn´t had any problems with it in gnome |
| 12:49.35 | slayerbob | awww :( |
| 12:50.10 | slayerbob | anyone else here or did i fall off too ? |
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| 13:00.07 | Flendor | Hello! |
| 13:00.23 | linux-addict | what is a vnc? |
| 13:00.28 | linux-addict | helo Flendor |
| 13:01.29 | Flendor | Hey linux-addict, how goes? |
| 13:03.45 | Blissex | linux-addict: VNC is a system equivalent to remote desktop sharing that allows you to access a remote desktop in a window... |
| 13:04.35 | slayerbob | sort of like a cut-down not as good version of remote X :P |
| 13:05.12 | Flendor | Hey! Bob! :D |
| 13:05.14 | Flendor | How are you? |
| 13:07.49 | chakie | um, can konqueror show .swf files (shockwave, i think)? |
| 13:07.56 | chakie | like the one here: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/841 |
| 13:08.21 | chakie | my konqueror shows zip and nada. normal flash works fine (banners, games etc) |
| 13:08.38 | radiohead | hello Flendor :) |
| 13:08.46 | radiohead | whats up man ? |
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| 13:08.59 | radiohead | willwork4foo: |
| 13:09.24 | Flendor | 'ello radiohead! |
| 13:09.27 | Flendor | Things are fine here.. |
| 13:09.39 | Flendor | ..visited a steelworks in the morning, and chilling to MP3's now. |
| 13:10.42 | radiohead | Flendor: :) im trying 2 figure out how can i do an easy way multi dick with cdrecord :) |
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| 13:10.45 | dpy | hi |
| 13:11.13 | dpy | does anyone here know how to let kate use Makefile syntax highlighting when opening a makefile |
| 13:11.28 | dpy | I can only set extensions for syntax highlighting |
| 13:11.34 | dpy | not regexps for name |
| 13:11.38 | dpy | or content |
| 13:12.49 | Flendor | multi dick..sure sounds scary.. |
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| 13:22.05 | dpy | where do I edit mime-types again ? |
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| 13:22.18 | dpy | I always thought there was an option in the the konqueror filebrowsers menus |
| 13:22.24 | dpy | but cant seem to find it anymore |
| 13:23.08 | ShadowJK | Anyone have any idea where kmail stores resume data? It went bezerk and opened up 250 new mail windows before I killed it, now that I start it again, it tries to resume those 250... |
| 13:23.27 | sarah03 | dpy: Konqueror->Settings->File Associations? |
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| 13:24.09 | sarah03 | [In "Configure Konqueror", anyway.] |
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| 13:26.29 | gourdin | hi there |
| 13:26.48 | dpy | ah yes |
| 13:26.51 | dpy | thanx |
| 13:27.07 | gourdin | is there some "howto" installeing cvs-head kde somewhere? |
| 13:27.28 | dpy | hmm |
| 13:27.40 | dpy | the patterns for text-x-makefile are correct |
| 13:27.56 | dpy | but kate doesn't start syntax highlighting the makefile |
| 13:28.06 | ralf | Hola! |
| 13:28.16 | Flendor | Hello ralf |
| 13:28.30 | dpy | sarah03: have you seen this before ? |
| 13:28.33 | sarah03 | gourdin: The only thing I'm aware of are at http://developer.kde.org/build/compile_cvs.html |
| 13:28.40 | ralf | hi Flendor |
| 13:28.41 | sarah03 | s/are/is/ |
| 13:29.06 | sarah03 | dpy: I don't typically use kate, or syntax highlighting. *shrug* |
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| 13:29.24 | ShadowJK | christ, now it's launching an aspell for each 250 windows |
| 13:29.29 | dpy | hardcore vi (without the im) |
| 13:29.42 | sarah03 | No... I' |
| 13:29.50 | sarah03 | I've used pico/nano as my primary text editor for the past 8 years. |
| 13:31.11 | dpy | I only know pico as being a small programming language |
| 13:31.15 | dpy | the smallest possible I believe |
| 13:31.27 | sarah03 | No, I think that's brainfuck. |
| 13:31.39 | sarah03 | 'pico' is the text editor that comes with 'pine'. |
| 13:31.45 | gourdin | sarah03: thx |
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| 14:18.30 | willwork4foo | schweeeeeeeeeeeet |
| 14:18.33 | willwork4foo | it works! |
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| 14:37.55 | willwork4foo | lo. |
| 14:43.05 | PhilRod | hi. |
| 14:43.17 | PhilRod | hehe, that's a nice pun |
| 14:43.25 | willwork4foo | middle. |
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| 14:58.30 | chimaera | i have problems compiling kdemultimedia: |
| 14:59.39 | chimaera | index.docbook:55: parser error : Entity 'docked_windows' not defined |
| 14:59.39 | chimaera | &docked_windows; |
| 15:00.20 | chimaera | pls check http://debian.consistencies.net/other/build-2.log |
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| 15:01.16 | PhilRod | I/O error : failed to load external entity "docked_windows.docbook" |
| 15:01.39 | PhilRod | ^^ that's the important error. any problems with permissions, disk space, etc? |
| 15:01.49 | chimaera | is this supposed to be a file? |
| 15:02.02 | chimaera | doskspace & permissions sould be all right. |
| 15:02.08 | PhilRod | yes, docked_windows.docbook should exist |
| 15:02.17 | PhilRod | give me ten minutes and I'll check it here |
| 15:02.23 | chimaera | thanks. |
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| 15:08.07 | PhilRod | chimaera: same problem here. Let me find a workaround |
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| 15:10.11 | PhilRod | go to kdeextragear-1/doc/gwenview, open index.docbook and delete lines 10 and 55 |
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| 15:10.50 | PhilRod | I'll contact the developers and ask them what's up (presumably just forgot to cvs add the file) |
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| 15:12.03 | chimaera | thanks. |
| 15:14.01 | chimaera | is there an easy way to implement the 2nd kde to kdm (including appropriate env.-settings)? |
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| 15:15.02 | dpy | grrr |
| 15:15.12 | dpy | why doesnt kate see my makefile as a makefileeeeee |
| 15:15.26 | dpy | it sees other Makefiles as such |
| 15:15.47 | jepel_tailweaver | dpy: open up a terminal and do 'file <filename>' and what does it give you? |
| 15:16.51 | dpy | kate sees as makefile: /tmp/docwordcompletion/Makefile: ASCII English text |
| 15:17.01 | dpy | kate doesn't see as makefile: Projects/EwokTracker/ewok/Makefile: ASCII make commands tex |
| 15:17.24 | dpy | now if anything... file detects MY file as a makefile |
| 15:17.29 | dpy | and the other as english text |
| 15:17.38 | dpy | and kate does so exactly the other way around |
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| 15:18.34 | dpy | jepel_tailweaver: any suggestions ? |
| 15:18.42 | dpy | filemodes are the same |
| 15:18.58 | lac | Does anybody know what the name of the kde theme with the thumbtacks that used to be the standard is called? |
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| 15:25.59 | Muhahah | do you know any p2p for downlaoding from kazaa network or any one that had many files?a qt one if possible thanks ;) |
| 15:26.37 | sarah03 | lac-dinner: Er, "KDE 1" or "KDE 2". KDE3 defaults to Keramik, which is über-ugly IMHO. |
| 15:26.37 | PhilRod | apollon |
| 15:26.38 | chimaera | Muhahah: giFT + appolon |
| 15:27.16 | Muhahah | if try appolon but it never connects |
| 15:27.19 | chimaera | s/appol/apoll/ |
| 15:27.31 | chimaera | Muhahah: aou have giFTd instaleld? |
| 15:27.36 | Muhahah | and i have set correctly the patth to gift |
| 15:28.06 | chimaera | does giFT start correctly? (verbose) |
| 15:29.34 | allanon_ | keramik sucks a bit, yes. |
| 15:29.41 | allanon_ | plastik should be default, imho. |
| 15:29.48 | sarah03 | I like Glow myself. |
| 15:30.04 | sarah03 | Glow+Plastik, anyway. |
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| 15:30.08 | chimaera | well, s/a bit/big time/ ;) |
| 15:30.19 | allanon_ | baghira and glocean are quite fancy, but a bit too unstable for everyday use. |
| 15:30.28 | chimaera | i use knifty for windec and plastik as style.. |
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| 15:31.03 | sarah03 | ... Glow, Plastik, lila-svg. Lots of dark colors. |
| 15:31.25 | chimaera | sarah03: can you provide a screeshot? |
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| 15:33.38 | chimaera | i once saw a schreenshot og baghira w/o a border/line between titlebar and the rest window. but i can't find a setting or even a patch to achieve this. using brushed metal this look amazing ;) |
| 15:34.07 | sarah03 | Lemme shrink the damned thing down to something I can have sent over my 56k modem without killing it... |
| 15:34.27 | chimaera | sarah03: heh ;) |
| 15:35.12 | chimaera | using tiff with lzw and a quality setting of ~75% gives nice results. |
| 15:35.53 | sarah03 | http://home.b0rked.dhs.org/~sarah/snapshot.jpg |
| 15:36.22 | sarah03 | jpeg, q=60 dct=float. Looks reasonable enough to me. |
| 15:36.25 | dpy | has anyone here got a working mimetype description for text/x-makefile ? |
| 15:36.36 | dpy | konqueror here does not detect makefiles |
| 15:36.37 | dpy | or is this broken ? |
| 15:36.58 | dpy | it detects all makefiles as plain text |
| 15:37.16 | sarah03 | [And that image is only half of my desktop, but that's because if I actually try putting up the *whole* desktop, it's absurdly huge.] |
| 15:37.20 | dpy | eventhough the filename patterns for text/x-makefile are correct |
| 15:37.29 | dpy | Makefile.* makefile.* Makefile makefile |
| 15:38.14 | chimaera | sarah03: looks good, a bit too dark for my taste. |
| 15:38.30 | sarah03 | *shrug* I like it darker; easier on the eyes over the course of a day. |
| 15:38.57 | chimaera | heh, guess i try to keep me away from my machine at any cost then ;) |
| 15:39.07 | sarah03 | And yes, that password field that you see contains MD5('password'). |
| 15:39.25 | sarah03 | Or... no, that was MD5('admin'). |
| 15:39.34 | chimaera | well, i considered it ;) |
| 15:40.34 | sarah03 | Not like it matters; it's the [current] l/p for the admin part of the CMS that I'm building. |
| 15:40.49 | chimaera | whch one you're using? |
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| 15:41.14 | sarah03 | Custom-built thing. |
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| 15:41.43 | sarah03 | To replace the utter hunk of junk that I'm being paid to work on & replace. |
| 15:42.25 | dpy | grrr |
| 15:42.28 | sarah03 | [Emphasis on *utter hunk of junk*.] |
| 15:42.41 | dpy | Makefile mime-type detection is buggy in KDE :( |
| 15:42.46 | jepel_tailweaver | sarah03: so you're going to be the new hero of the office as one who brings in CMS that doesn't suck? |
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| 15:43.17 | chimaera | there'S one that doesn't suck? you're going to be famous.. |
| 15:43.39 | jepel_tailweaver | chimaera: CMS is one of those 'use whatever sucks least' things, I believe |
| 15:43.53 | sarah03 | jepel_tailweaver: They *all* suck. |
| 15:43.55 | chimaera | agreed ;) |
| 15:44.07 | sarah03 | Some, admittedly, suck less than others. |
| 15:44.13 | sarah03 | But they all suck. |
| 15:44.14 | chimaera | i guess there are different levels of sucking. |
| 15:44.17 | AssociateX | Hello people |
| 15:44.30 | jepel_tailweaver | and some of them have integrated scripting that makes it easier to ease the suckiness factor |
| 15:44.33 | allanon_ | it is like linux distros. they all sucks, just some suck less than others. |
| 15:44.33 | jepel_tailweaver | hiya AssociateX |
| 15:44.42 | AssociateX | Hi |
| 15:44.49 | chimaera | allanon_: can't agree on that one ;) |
| 15:44.49 | sarah03 | jepel_tailweaver: I just went with a powerful and easily extensable template system. |
| 15:44.56 | jepel_tailweaver | allanon_: I don't think Linux distros are quite that bad |
| 15:45.11 | jepel_tailweaver | sarah03: extensibility is always god |
| 15:45.12 | allanon_ | what do you compare to? |
| 15:45.13 | jepel_tailweaver | *good |
| 15:45.37 | jepel_tailweaver | allanon_: As a desktop OS, Linux is anywhere from Utopia to hell depending on who uses it and what they use it for |
| 15:45.48 | sarah03 | "Oh, I need a new template tag... I'll write the code behind it, and tell the system it exists." |
| 15:46.38 | sarah03 | I know the template system works, at the very least, because I've been using it to write the rest of the interface. |
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| 15:49.31 | chfn | Whats the name of the tool to setup the username and the password to browse Samba File System? I dont want to mount using /etc/fstab . I want browse using network:/// or smb:// in KDE but I need to setup the username and password |
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| 15:49.51 | chimaera | lisa? |
| 15:50.07 | chfn | chimaera, is lisa name ? |
| 15:50.18 | chimaera | not sure, but somethings ringing.. |
| 15:50.19 | allanon_ | lisa is a nisse. |
| 15:50.25 | allanon_ | or a daemon, depending of who you ask. |
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| 15:50.41 | allanon_ | try running "lisad" |
| 15:50.59 | PhilRod | there's something about it in the userguide |
| 15:51.01 | PhilRod | apt: ug |
| 15:51.02 | apt | somebody said ug was http://people.fruitsalad.org/phil/kde/userguide-tng |
| 15:51.14 | PhilRod | ^^ the 'networking with windows' chapter there |
| 15:51.17 | allanon_ | "/etc/rc.d/lisa start" on my system. |
| 15:54.28 | chfn | allanon_, but I want use a tool to setup the passwd in client side when i will try to browse using smb:/// or network:/// it will be seted up with the username and password recorded |
| 15:54.48 | chfn | allanon_, lisad does that ? |
| 15:55.09 | allanon_ | no idea. |
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| 15:56.32 | chfn | allanon_, i already used this tool but i dont remember the name |
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| 16:05.34 | mrwoody | i am not sure if this is the right channel... but is there any way to set konqueror in such a way that it would find as you type, as in mozilla? |
| 16:06.10 | slayerbob | er |
| 16:06.17 | slayerbob | you mean autocomplete urls ? |
| 16:06.40 | slayerbob | if so, just type out a bit of it then hit tab :) |
| 16:06.41 | mrwoody | slayerbob: nope... |
| 16:07.07 | mrwoody | slayerbob: you can set mozilla so that if you type something, it would look for that word autoamtically |
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| 16:07.16 | PhilRod | type '/' I think |
| 16:07.17 | mrwoody | slayerbob: it is very useful, once you get used to it |
| 16:07.34 | PhilRod | yup, that's it |
| 16:07.38 | mrwoody | PhilRod: that works.. thanks... but is there anyway to avoid / |
| 16:08.10 | PhilRod | chimaera: I just emailed the gwenview developer about the docs, so it should get fixed in cvs |
| 16:08.26 | PhilRod | mrwoody: I expect you can change the shortcut if you want |
| 16:08.34 | chimaera | PhilRod: great, thanks! |
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| 16:09.53 | [sLiM] | hi when i type startkde for kde3.4 beta1 i get an error |
| 16:10.04 | [sLiM] | stating it can't find a display |
| 16:10.20 | chimaera | wrong user.. |
| 16:11.03 | [sLiM] | huh? |
| 16:11.13 | PhilRod | [sLiM]: you'd usually want to start KDE by putting 'exec startkde' in your .xinitrc file, and running 'startx' from the terminal |
| 16:11.23 | nvd | Hi. Is there any transfer manager for KDE lie kget, whch support transfer rate limiting? |
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| 16:12.57 | [sLiM] | PhilRod, after i do that startkde will start te beta version? |
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| 16:14.09 | PhilRod | [sLiM]: do you have two versions of KDE installed? |
| 16:14.26 | [sLiM] | yea |
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| 16:14.38 | PhilRod | then it becomes more complicated |
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| 16:15.18 | PhilRod | in your .xinitrc file, put: export KDEDIR=/path/to/new/kde |
| 16:15.34 | PhilRod | along with export PATH=$KDEDIR/bin |
| 16:16.06 | PhilRod | and you'll probably want to keep separate .kde directories, so put export KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde-beta |
| 16:16.19 | chimaera | make that PATH=$KDEDIR/bin:$PATH |
| 16:16.33 | PhilRod | chimaera: err, yes :-) |
| 16:16.40 | [sLiM] | ok i have no .xinitrc file |
| 16:16.47 | PhilRod | create it |
| 16:16.54 | PhilRod | in your home dir |
| 16:17.30 | PhilRod | and then after all that, put 'exec startkde' |
| 16:17.54 | PhilRod | you'll want to ensure that your old version of KDE doesn't appear in PATH for tidiness |
| 16:18.23 | PhilRod | (you can probably get away without ensuring that, but it could bite you in the butt later) |
| 16:18.31 | chimaera | depending on the distor, that might be difficult. |
| 16:18.37 | PhilRod | yes, that's true |
| 16:18.48 | chimaera | debian uses /usr/bin as prefix. |
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| 16:18.56 | [sLiM] | im on debian |
| 16:19.06 | chimaera | so, forget about that.. ;) |
| 16:19.38 | [sLiM] | i dont have a .kde-beta folder :( |
| 16:19.54 | chimaera | it'll be created.. |
| 16:20.10 | chimaera | like the .kde one on the 1st kde start |
| 16:20.10 | [sLiM] | ok so the initrc file should look like this |
| 16:20.17 | [sLiM] | KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde-beta |
| 16:20.17 | [sLiM] | export KDEDIR=~/kde3.4-beta1 |
| 16:20.17 | [sLiM] | PATH=$KDEDIR/bin:$PATH |
| 16:20.40 | chimaera | you're using konstruct to build? |
| 16:21.06 | [sLiM] | yea |
| 16:21.45 | chimaera | so add 'exec startkde' and you should be set. |
| 16:21.49 | chimaera | btw: |
| 16:22.16 | sarah03 | ... It's probably a good idea to export KDEHOME and PATH as well in .xinitrc. |
| 16:22.23 | chimaera | http://developer.kde.org/build/konstruct/unstable/README the path-setting are explained in the bottom. |
| 16:22.31 | c-101 | re |
| 16:23.00 | chimaera | sarah03: guess he meant Xinitrc.. |
| 16:25.07 | [sLiM] | ok this is the final result i have |
| 16:25.12 | [sLiM] | KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde-beta |
| 16:25.12 | [sLiM] | export KDEDIR=~/kde3.4-beta1 |
| 16:25.12 | [sLiM] | export KDEDIRS=~/kde3.4-beta1 |
| 16:25.12 | [sLiM] | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=~/kde3.4-beta1/lib |
| 16:25.12 | [sLiM] | export PATH=~/kde3.4-beta1/bin:$PATH |
| 16:25.13 | [sLiM] | exec startkde |
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| 16:25.28 | [sLiM] | some exports are from the README |
| 16:25.39 | PhilRod | you'll want to export ALL of those envars (ie, KDEHOME too) |
| 16:26.01 | [sLiM] | the startkde too? |
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| 16:26.04 | chimaera | and maybe, backup ~/.kde.. just in case. |
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| 16:26.11 | chimaera | nono, it'S calling kde. |
| 16:26.22 | chimaera | the other stuff is variables. |
| 16:26.24 | dpy | chimaera: always backup ~/.kde |
| 16:26.36 | chimaera | dpy: ;) |
| 16:26.45 | dpy | mine is 76MB |
| 16:26.46 | dpy | :) |
| 16:27.02 | PhilRod | you might also want to back up ~/.config and ~/.local |
| 16:27.06 | jepel_tailweaver | mine is 47 megs |
| 16:27.14 | jepel_tailweaver | but backed up every day anyway |
| 16:27.24 | chimaera | 95,8mb ;) |
| 16:27.28 | [sLiM] | ok |
| 16:27.37 | [sLiM] | export KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde-beta |
| 16:27.38 | [sLiM] | export KDEDIR=~/kde3.4-beta1 |
| 16:27.38 | [sLiM] | export KDEDIRS=~/kde3.4-beta1 |
| 16:27.38 | [sLiM] | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=~/kde3.4-beta1/lib |
| 16:27.38 | [sLiM] | export PATH=~/kde3.4-beta1/bin:$PATH |
| 16:27.39 | [sLiM] | exec startkde |
| 16:27.41 | [sLiM] | is ok now |
| 16:27.46 | [sLiM] | ? |
| 16:27.54 | chimaera | just go for it ;) |
| 16:27.58 | [sLiM] | k brb |
| 16:28.00 | c-101 | mine is 226 Mb |
| 16:28.02 | c-101 | :) |
| 16:28.03 | PhilRod | yeah, looks fine |
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| 16:28.15 | [sLiM] | brb |
| 16:28.30 | chimaera | c-101: man, glad this probably doesn't appl yto penis-length ;) |
| 16:28.56 | c-101 | lol |
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| 16:30.59 | chimaera | the interesting question is, how to manage 2 versions using kdm? guess i dig through /etc a bit.. |
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| 16:33.48 | jepel_tailweaver | chimaera: take a look in /etc/X11/Sessions and poke around there, also look in `kde-config --prefix`/share/apps/kdm |
| 16:34.13 | chimaera | jepel_tailweaver: will do, thanks. |
| 16:40.14 | jepel_tailweaver | chimaera: that's why we (hopefully) have backups |
| 16:40.50 | Theory | what are these 'backup' things you talk of? |
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| 16:41.05 | chimaera | mhh, well, ahh.. thatnks, theory to the rescue. |
| 16:41.05 | [sLiM] | didnt work |
| 16:41.19 | chimaera | *gg* |
| 16:41.54 | chimaera | [sLiM]: what happenedß |
| 16:42.16 | [sLiM] | i get the same error about kdeinit and not finding a display |
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| 16:42.45 | chimaera | but X is working? -> 'xinit' |
| 16:43.54 | [sLiM] | yea |
| 16:44.41 | chimaera | can you give the exact msg? |
| 16:45.16 | [sLiM] | xset: Unable to open display """" |
| 16:45.18 | [sLiM] | xset: Unable to open display """" |
| 16:45.20 | [sLiM] | xset: Unable to open display """" |
| 16:45.22 | [sLiM] | xsetroot: unable to open display " |
| 16:45.24 | [sLiM] | xset: Unable to open display """" |
| 16:45.28 | [sLiM] | ksplash: cannot connect to x server |
| 16:45.30 | [sLiM] | kdeinit: Aborting. $DISPLAY is not set |
| 16:45.36 | [sLiM] | Warning: connect () failed: no such file or directory |
| 16:45.38 | [sLiM] | Error: Can't contact kdeinit |
| 16:45.40 | [sLiM] | startkde: Running shutdown scripts |
| 16:45.42 | [sLiM] | startkde: done |
| 16:46.11 | chimaera | is $DISPLAY set? 'env' |
| 16:46.56 | chimaera | $ env | grep DISPLAY |
| 16:46.56 | chimaera | DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 16:47.13 | [sLiM] | yep |
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| 16:47.50 | fuat | can anyone tell me where to find icons * |
| 16:48.00 | chimaera | fuat: kde-look.org |
| 16:48.04 | [sLiM] | kde-look.org |
| 16:48.13 | [sLiM] | icon-king.com i think it is |
| 16:48.39 | fuat | I need some 16x16 for a QListBox |
| 16:48.47 | chimaera | [sLiM]: beats me, maybe traing to export it in your .xinitrc? but it'S only a wile guess |
| 16:50.35 | PhilRod | [sLiM]: did you run 'xinit' or 'startx'? |
| 16:50.38 | PhilRod | d'oh |
| 16:51.02 | chimaera | ;) |
| 16:51.09 | nh | I get the following compile error in kdebase with current anonymous CVS: |
| 16:51.13 | nh | kicker.cpp: In constructor `Kicker::Kicker()': |
| 16:51.13 | nh | kicker.cpp:90: error: `instance' is not a member of `KickerSettings' |
| 16:51.23 | nh | does anybody know what's going on? |
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| 16:55.35 | PhilRod | I got similar errors too. I rm'd kdebase and re-checked it out, and it worked, but I assume there's a better solution |
| 16:56.01 | nh | well, I didn't rm everything, but I did a make distclean |
| 16:56.09 | PhilRod | oh, are you building with unsermake? |
| 16:56.12 | nh | no |
| 16:56.22 | PhilRod | hrm, then that's not it |
| 16:56.43 | chimaera | checked out yesterday and didn't get that one.. |
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| 16:59.46 | nh | i rm'd kickerSettings.*, so far it seems to work |
| 17:00.18 | nh | those files are autogenerated according to a comment in them, so there's probably something missing from the dependency list |
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| 17:14.53 | dpy | is it possible to change the cellborders in kspread ? |
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| 17:21.00 | florent | hello |
| 17:21.43 | eean | is beta2 in some sort of twilight zone? |
| 17:22.38 | chakie | any recommendations on an app that can work as a frontend for ffmpeh/mencoder for encoding mpeg2 to divx? |
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| 17:22.55 | HuntsMan | chakie: kmencoder :) |
| 17:22.58 | florent | Is there someone that had memory leak problems with kde or some kde app ? |
| 17:23.11 | chakie | HuntsMan: hm, is it good? |
| 17:23.15 | HuntsMan | yep |
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| 17:24.41 | chakie | HuntsMan: ok, i'll try it. thanks |
| 17:24.50 | florent | because when I let my computer running during a long time I have a lot of memory leak |
| 17:26.13 | florent | and I use a lot of k app (kmail, ksirc, kopete, amarok, kmix, konsole, superkaramba, ...) |
| 17:26.28 | chakie | kmencoder seems to be dead |
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| 17:28.11 | eean | florent: superkaramba isn't part of the KDE project, so I blame it :P |
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| 17:29.22 | DocterD | anyone can help me? i have a problem with KDE |
| 17:29.42 | DocterD | i've got a problem with KDE |
| 17:29.43 | florent | eean: ok, I will try to run without superkaramba now, to see |
| 17:29.59 | DocterD | it needs 10 Mins to start without DCHP |
| 17:30.15 | DocterD | can i change this anyway? i really dont need DCHP |
| 17:30.23 | DocterD | because i dont have any network at home |
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| 17:33.03 | chfn | Hi Guys, How do I report KDE.org for new stuff that might be in the new version ? |
| 17:33.33 | chakie | DocterD: reconfigure your network using your distro:s tools and hardcode 192.168.1.1 as your IP |
| 17:33.48 | DocterD | i'm a gentoo user |
| 17:34.21 | DocterD | you mean change the localhost ip? |
| 17:34.23 | chakie | so check gentoo's tools and make it not use dhcp |
| 17:34.33 | chakie | it's not really a kde problem |
| 17:34.39 | jepel_tailweaver | DocterD: edit /etc/conf.d/net, that's the file you want |
| 17:34.47 | DocterD | yeah i know |
| 17:34.57 | chakie | DocterD: yeah, if you have no dhcp server hardcode a local ip |
| 17:35.08 | DocterD | config_eth0=( "adsl" ) |
| 17:35.22 | DocterD | thats currently in my /etc/conf.d/net |
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| 17:35.34 | chakie | sorry, i don't know about gentoo |
| 17:36.16 | eean | onfig_eth0=( "adsl" ) looks seriously wrong |
| 17:36.25 | eean | config_eth0 even |
| 17:36.36 | DocterD | well its from the net.example |
| 17:36.40 | chfn | Hi Guys, How do I report KDE.org for new stuff that might be in the new version ? |
| 17:36.44 | eean | oh, well nevermind then :P |
| 17:36.46 | DocterD | and it starts when i boot my adsl connection |
| 17:37.07 | eean | chfn: you mean a changelog? |
| 17:39.13 | chfn | eean, no, i want report new stuff that could be in the new version |
| 17:39.32 | chakie | DocterD: hm, you have adsl, but you just said you have no network at home? |
| 17:40.01 | eean | chfn: you mean make suggestions? |
| 17:40.04 | chfn | eean, yes |
| 17:40.07 | willwork4foo | Is there any way of removing the trash can icon from my KDE desktop? |
| 17:40.08 | chfn | eean, where in the site |
| 17:40.22 | eean | chfn: well, there won't be more features in 3.4 |
| 17:40.30 | DocterD | adsl is connected via my network card |
| 17:40.32 | DocterD | thats all |
| 17:40.36 | willwork4foo | ah. stupid question. deleted it. |
| 17:40.42 | chfn | eean, what? why not ? |
| 17:40.46 | DocterD | ADSL Modem > my network card |
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| 17:40.50 | DocterD | thats my network |
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| 17:40.56 | chfn | eean, what? why not ? |
| 17:41.00 | eean | because, kde 3.4 is in a freeze |
| 17:41.28 | eean | they're doing bug fixes |
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| 17:42.49 | chfn | eean,hum, but can i let the suggestion in theier maillist to let then know ? I can develop for kde and send but i'm without freetime for that |
| 17:43.11 | DocterD | is KDE writing some Logs where i can check my problem? |
| 17:43.27 | chfn | issues |
| 17:43.32 | chfn | s/bugs/issues/ |
| 17:44.31 | eean | well, you report wishs the same way you report bugs |
| 17:44.35 | eean | in the bugzilla |
| 17:44.49 | chfn | eean, hm, sorry ! I forgot about bugzilla |
| 17:44.57 | chfn | eean, i will report bug in quanta too |
| 17:45.15 | chfn | eean, can i use the bugzilla ? |
| 17:45.22 | eean | yes |
| 17:45.23 | chfn | for that too? |
| 17:45.24 | chfn | thanks |
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| 18:02.10 | rikva | how do i use the camera KIOslave? |
| 18:02.19 | rikva | camera:// .. and then? |
| 18:04.08 | cribbe | try with only one / |
| 18:05.55 | rikva | cribbe: thank you! |
| 18:06.05 | cribbe | rikva: n p |
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| 18:13.57 | archpollux | hi all |
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| 18:15.22 | Zaki | hi |
| 18:15.28 | archpollux | it seems i can't set an icon for kdelirc modes |
| 18:15.33 | rikva | hi Zaki |
| 18:15.55 | Zaki | where is the channel name for Quanta plus / KdeWebDev? |
| 18:16.02 | Zaki | rikva, :) |
| 18:17.30 | rikva | Zaki: sorry cant help you |
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| 18:18.48 | c-101 | Re |
| 18:20.27 | archpollux | where the heck is the kdelirc config file? |
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| 18:25.07 | Theory | irkirkrc ? |
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| 18:36.49 | archpollux | Theory: yeah |
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| 18:37.04 | archpollux | Theory: found it... what icon files does it take? |
| 18:38.00 | [sLiM] | how do i add kde3.4 too the login manager |
| 18:38.03 | [sLiM] | im on debian |
| 18:38.53 | chavo | woah, speaking of 3.4 I just found the locate:/ kioslave, good stuff |
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| 18:39.07 | [sLiM] | chavo, what distro you on? |
| 18:39.09 | rikva | chavo: yes, it r0x ;) |
| 18:39.15 | chavo | mandrake |
| 18:39.26 | Theory | locate:/ is in main cvs now? |
| 18:39.30 | [sLiM] | i can start it up but i have to go into konsole and all that stuff |
| 18:39.40 | chavo | Theory, yes |
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| 18:39.51 | rikva | Theory: i got it from www.kde-apps.org if i recall correctly |
| 18:40.00 | rikva | i mean .com |
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| 18:40.36 | chavo | I'm running cvs head from a day or two ago, so it must be in there now. |
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| 18:40.40 | Theory | I must find a way to build extra kde-apps stuff as part of my build process |
| 18:40.45 | chavo | I didn't install it seaprately |
| 18:41.02 | chfn | I can't find the bugzilla of KDE. whats the name of it ? bugzilla is for Mozilla . |
| 18:41.12 | Theory | bugs.kde.org ? |
| 18:41.32 | chavo | Theory, I just wrote a little shell script. Luckily the build hasn't bombed out on me in a couple of weeks. |
| 18:41.47 | chfn | Theory, but is there any application for KDE to report issues ? |
| 18:42.14 | chavo | chfn, yes open up konqueror and go that url |
| 18:43.05 | chfn | chavo, Theory sorry i'm dunno |
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| 18:53.11 | [sLiM] | is thee away to replace kde 3.3 with the new beta |
| 18:53.13 | [sLiM] | ? |
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| 18:54.37 | Diavolo | Hello |
| 18:54.45 | rikva | hi Diavolo |
| 18:54.46 | Diavolo | i have a question to ksystray |
| 18:55.02 | Diavolo | I have places Mozilla Sunbird in tray but it shows not the original icon |
| 18:55.09 | Diavolo | i have a black X as icon :D |
| 18:55.27 | rikva | Sunbird is still beta, isnt it? maybe that is the problem |
| 18:55.35 | Diavolo | don't know |
| 18:55.50 | Diavolo | perhaps it is possible to change the icons that ksystray shows |
| 18:55.56 | Diavolo | that's what i wanted to ask :) |
| 18:55.58 | rikva | how do you start sunbird, using a shortcut or what? |
| 18:56.21 | Diavolo | "sunbird-bin" |
| 18:56.31 | rikva | from the command line? |
| 18:56.34 | Diavolo | no |
| 18:56.35 | MrGrim | I'm gonna miss the old kde cvs digest format when he finally drops if *sniff* |
| 18:56.37 | Diavolo | from the menu |
| 18:56.49 | rikva | ok, and does the menu shortcut have the sunbird icon? |
| 18:57.04 | Diavolo | yes |
| 18:57.08 | rikva | hmm :s |
| 18:57.24 | rikva | afaik you cannot change the systray icons... but thats me |
| 18:58.13 | Diavolo | what Icons does ksystray load/use? |
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| 19:03.02 | [sLiM] | what file/folder contains what DE you can switch too? |
| 19:04.20 | rikva | [sLiM]: you mean /etc/X11/Sessions ? |
| 19:04.51 | [sLiM] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:05.40 | [sLiM] | rikva, i don't have that file |
| 19:05.46 | rikva | oh |
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| 19:06.07 | rikva | with selection, i guess you mean the list in KDM ? |
| 19:06.12 | [sLiM] | yea |
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| 19:06.34 | rikva | hm, I don' t know how to do that, my DE' s always show op automagically |
| 19:07.42 | [sLiM] | aw |
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| 19:09.12 | rikva | [sLiM]: hmm i got something here file:/usr/kde/3.3/share/config/kdm/sessions |
| 19:09.42 | rikva | but don't ask me how it works ;) |
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| 19:21.13 | [sLiM] | rikva, thanks |
| 19:21.20 | [sLiM] | i think it was you lol |
| 19:24.55 | Zaki | hi again |
| 19:25.15 | Zaki | anyone use KdeWebDev (Quanta previously) here ? |
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| 19:31.54 | Beineri | Zaki: what's your problem? |
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| 19:32.50 | Zaki | Beineri, does KdeWebDev support Debugging for PHP? |
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| 19:34.46 | Worf | i wonder why something annoying like http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77381 is so hard to fix |
| 19:35.29 | Beineri | Zaki: dunno :-) |
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| 19:36.42 | Beineri | Worf: you know that KNode is cleaning up some time after quitting? |
| 19:37.07 | Worf | Beineri: if some time is > 1h then i don't know |
| 19:37.12 | Beineri | the report is also not assigned to the current KNode maintainer |
| 19:37.18 | Beineri | 1h should not be :-) |
| 19:37.58 | [sLiM] | how do i stop from kmix from starting at boot? |
| 19:40.05 | Worf | Beineri: the weird thing is that i only have the bug on the systems with a nptl glibc, and tough i did clearely state that very early in the bug report no dev seems to be able to track it down |
| 19:40.44 | Beineri | because no developer has that setup? |
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| 19:41.47 | Beineri | Worf: what distribution are you using? |
| 19:41.50 | Worf | well - at least no identical one. i had a talk ages ago, and one dev told me he also would have a nptl glibc... and not the bug... |
| 19:42.20 | Worf | Beineri: sourcemage - so all built myself from original sources |
| 19:42.36 | Worf | and now the bug seems to appear on other distros too |
| 19:43.05 | Worf | initially only bleeding edge people like me got it :-) |
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| 19:46.23 | DaoPhung | how do i add a new launcher to the kde start menu ppl? |
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| 19:49.08 | Beineri | not interested in an answer? |
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| 19:50.13 | obe1 | anyone here know my redhat's bluecurve, the metacity window decoration is updated, but the kde uses the `classic' one, before I decide to make a kwin client, i really like that theme.. :) |
| 19:50.28 | obe1 | my/why |
| 19:51.19 | Beineri | obe1: does your question make sense? :-) |
| 19:51.50 | Beineri | obe1: metacity is the GNOME window manager |
| 19:52.22 | obe1 | yea but bluecurve has themes for both kwin and metacity |
| 19:52.25 | daum | anyone know how to fix knotify? it seems not to be doing its job(making sounds nad wha tnot )- |
| 19:52.37 | Beineri | daum: suse? |
| 19:52.45 | obe1 | i was wonder why the kwin of bluecurve is still the old one and metacity bluecurve is newer and nicer |
| 19:53.00 | Beineri | obe1: because KDE has a low priority at RedHat? |
| 19:53.06 | daum | gentoo |
| 19:53.12 | obe1 | hah good answer. ;) |
| 19:53.31 | Beineri | obe1: what has the "new" bluecurve? core 3? |
| 19:53.53 | daum | but somehow i guess i made it bugged so it isnt' working..the kde sounds just won't work..at all..like even if i try to test what sound would play(in conrtrol panel) i get no sound |
| 19:54.18 | Beineri | daum: how does your knotifyrc look like? |
| 19:54.18 | ironfroggy | I just tried to start KAudioCreator and it said it cant use the cd audio ioslave, and then crashes. is this a known problem with a quick fix, maybe i have something configured wrong? |
| 19:54.24 | obe1 | Beineri: yea i think. anything with redhatartwork-x.x.120... |
| 19:54.29 | daum | hm Beineri what are ya talking about i'm not that great with kde=0 |
| 19:54.49 | Beineri | daum: cat ~/.kde/share/config/knotifyrc |
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| 19:55.08 | [sLiM] | is there a way to add a timestamp to konsole? |
| 19:55.19 | daum | ah! |
| 19:55.19 | daum | it has usearts false |
| 19:55.19 | daum | lol |
| 19:55.25 | daum | can i pm you |
| 19:55.30 | daum | so i can spam the out put to you |
| 19:55.32 | daum | =-p |
| 19:56.05 | Beineri | daum: just try to set the three [StartProgress] to true |
| 19:56.12 | daum | ok |
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| 19:56.18 | Beineri | [sLiM]: what do you want to timestamp? |
| 19:56.57 | [sLiM] | Beineri, like when you type a command it shows what time you put in the command |
| 19:56.57 | daum | restart kde beineri? |
| 19:56.57 | Beineri | obe1: possible that it's not from a release version but their unstable repository? |
| 19:57.10 | [sLiM] | like <slim>1:25 : $su |
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| 19:57.28 | daum | brb |
| 19:57.31 | rikva | [sLiM]: it is possible |
| 19:57.38 | Beineri | daum: dunno, perhaps "dcop knotify default reconfigure" helps |
| 19:57.55 | rikva | i think i have a small tutorial but it is in dutch |
| 19:58.10 | [sLiM] | rikva, i can translate it...thanks for before im in 3.4 :P |
| 19:58.15 | Beineri | [sLiM]: why not add the time to your prompt, then you have the time of previous command at next prompt :-) |
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| 19:58.31 | [sLiM] | Beineri, huh? |
| 19:58.34 | obe1 | Beineri: yea i am fetching it from CVS now |
| 19:58.37 | daum | wuwu that worked you rock=) |
| 19:59.04 | rikva | [sLiM]: give it your best go ;) http://susehelp.l4l.be/console/bashprompt.html |
| 19:59.09 | Beineri | obe1: than hope that they will adapt kwin BlueCurve theme before release :_) |
| 19:59.37 | obe1 | no fc3 i believe the 2 themes don't match |
| 20:00.15 | chimaera | ok, to have kdecvs showing up within kdm, just add an appropriate .desktop-file to /usr/share/apps/kdm/session. |
| 20:03.05 | ironfroggy | how can i find what ioslaves i have? |
| 20:04.07 | obe1 | info center ususally in the System folder of the KMenu... |
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| 20:04.49 | cribbe | ironfroggy, kcmshell ioslaveinfo |
| 20:06.43 | ironfroggy | hmm yep im missing the audiocd protocol |
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| 20:06.53 | Flendor | Hello. |
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| 20:09.13 | Sophie_ | Is there a way to make only icons show up in the taskbar applet, and not the names of the applications? |
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| 20:11.48 | massctrl | hi is there a room especially for kmail ? |
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| 20:12.09 | bietch | heya all |
| 20:13.01 | daum | massctrl, just ask yyour quexiton |
| 20:13.12 | Beineri | massctrl: #kontact |
| 20:16.11 | massctrl | daum: I'm new to kmail / I wan't to add a company logo (jpeg) to my signature, this doesn't seem to be possible ? |
| 20:16.30 | daum | oo let mes see i haven't really used kmail sig appends |
| 20:16.31 | daum | one moment |
| 20:17.23 | daum | you might be able to have your sig attached in as a file? |
| 20:17.28 | daum | so store the picture in that file? |
| 20:17.45 | daum | under identities...go to signature...from file-then add a pic |
| 20:18.44 | massctrl | nope apparently that needs to be a text file, a jpeg gives garbage |
| 20:19.01 | daum | it has to be a .txt? |
| 20:19.40 | chimaera | is the kicker within 3.4 located on the left side by default? |
| 20:20.09 | massctrl | the extension doesn't matter i guess, it just shows the file in ascii, which gives garbage in case of a jpeg |
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| 20:21.11 | daum | hm |
| 20:21.18 | daum | try #kontact then=p |
| 20:21.19 | daum | lol |
| 20:22.24 | massctrl | okido tnx anyway :-) |
| 20:23.37 | chimaera | [sLiM]: i have kdecvs working with kdm... |
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| 20:25.00 | [sLiM] | chimaera,im on debian tho..maybe something was different |
| 20:25.14 | [sLiM] | i got it to work too just had to add a file to some folder |
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| 20:31.00 | Sophie_ | it doesn't appear that the screen saver configuration tool sees all my screensavers in /usr/lib/xscreensaver |
| 20:31.17 | Sophie_ | for example i can run /usr/lib/xscreensaver/flurry from the command line, and it works fine |
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| 20:31.25 | Sophie_ | but I can't see it in the list of screensavers |
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| 20:32.28 | Sophie_ | doh! I didn't know that kd-screensaver was diffent from xscreensaver |
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| 20:32.45 | ^JM^ | please some help |
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| 20:33.31 | Ashdurbat | How do I set firefox as my default browser in KDE |
| 20:33.43 | Ashdurbat | Instead of konquerer |
| 20:34.32 | Beineri | why would someone ever want to do that? :-) |
| 20:34.33 | ^JM^ | in my linux machine i need to put some folders shared to be able to see them in my windows machine, so i right click in the folder (using konqueror) and click in share tab but says that i can only share folders in my home dir, and i need to share folders in my ext3 partition in /mnt/ext3 any help? |
| 20:35.02 | chimaera | Ashdurbat: re-associate html? |
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| 20:35.24 | Beineri | Ashdurbat: Use the "Component Chooser" |
| 20:35.31 | chimaera | heh, just found that one. |
| 20:36.14 | Ashdurbat | Oh that's beautiful :) |
| 20:36.17 | Ashdurbat | Thank you :) |
| 20:36.35 | [sLiM] | is there a way to reinstall ARK? |
| 20:36.49 | chimaera | [sLiM]: apt-get install --reinstall ark |
| 20:37.06 | [sLiM] | seems like the 3.4 one is corrupted |
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| 20:37.40 | chimaera | oh, for your 3.4 environment.. well, just call /usr/bin/ark and see if it works.. |
| 20:38.13 | [sLiM] | ok that works |
| 20:38.21 | [sLiM] | how do i change it in the service menu? |
| 20:38.21 | chimaera | is it possible to move an application (e.g. xchat) to another) xsession? |
| 20:38.40 | chimaera | yuo mean the k-menu? |
| 20:38.53 | chimaera | right-klick k-menu and edit. |
| 20:39.03 | [sLiM] | no service menu |
| 20:39.10 | [sLiM] | you know when you right click on a .tar |
| 20:39.14 | [sLiM] | it says extract |
| 20:39.25 | chimaera | ah, one sec. |
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| 20:39.40 | ods15 | i have a rather odd request. i am developing a kde program, and a friend of mine, using gentoo, said she has trouble using the program. i do not use gentoo, and she's not very good at debugging. i am looking for a volunteer running gentoo to help me debug my program. it's an mencoder frontend, so i need someone with mplayer and has any avi file somewhere... |
| 20:40.25 | mattr | what's her problem with the application? |
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| 20:40.50 | chimaera | [sLiM]: check /usr/share/services/ark_part.desktop edit or create an appropriate one in your $KDEHOME |
| 20:40.53 | ods15 | in 2 words? it doesn't work... it refuses to load any files |
| 20:41.16 | ods15 | i managed to get from her the exact error, she's gone now anyway so i won't get any more help from her |
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| 20:44.17 | mattr | ods15: well, i run gentoo, but i don't have any avi files... |
| 20:44.19 | [sLiM] | what do i edit in the file? |
| 20:44.43 | ods15 | mattr: heh, simple then, i can send you some file, it's not a big qualification :) |
| 20:44.46 | ods15 | can i pm you? |
| 20:44.49 | mattr | k |
| 20:44.50 | mattr | sure |
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| 20:47.22 | Ashdurbat | How do I tell FC3 that I want to start up KDE by default |
| 20:47.39 | Renze | ask in #fedora |
| 20:47.49 | Ashdurbat | hahaha |
| 20:48.07 | Ashdurbat | A good one, really |
| 20:48.24 | mattr | that's not a kde question, please go ask in #fedora |
| 20:48.39 | mattr | i'm sure they don't care whether you use gnome or kde |
| 20:49.13 | Ashdurbat | The problem with asking in #edora is that I'm actually looking for an answer :) |
| 20:49.42 | dessa | do you use startx or kdm |
| 20:49.45 | chimaera | [sLiM]: isn't there a call for ark or something? |
| 20:49.57 | [sLiM] | chimaera, nope |
| 20:50.16 | Ashdurbat | Dessa, can I whisper? |
| 20:50.25 | slayerbob | :o |
| 20:50.32 | dessa | I'd rather you didn't :) |
| 20:50.33 | slayerbob | good morning :D |
| 20:50.38 | slayerbob | can i ? |
| 20:50.40 | dessa | and gosh it changed my nick |
| 20:50.54 | Renze | mornin' canllaith :) |
| 20:50.56 | canllaith | slayerbob: lol of course -you- can. |
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| 20:51.07 | [sLiM] | Exec=ark -caption "%c" %i %m %U |
| 20:51.07 | [sLiM] | Icon=ark |
| 20:51.07 | [sLiM] | TerminalOptions= |
| 20:51.07 | [sLiM] | Path= |
| 20:51.11 | [sLiM] | the path option? |
| 20:51.12 | canllaith | Ashdurbat: at any rate, do you have a graphical or text based login ? |
| 20:51.20 | Ashdurbat | Graphical |
| 20:51.55 | canllaith | and KDE is not already part of the default sessions list? |
| 20:52.04 | chimaera | [sLiM]: see, there'S a call: exec= . just replace arl with /usr/bin/ark. this should use the old one, then. |
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| 20:52.19 | Ashdurbat | I can open a menu and choose kde |
| 20:52.31 | Ashdurbat | But by default it opens twm or similar |
| 20:52.42 | canllaith | Ashdurbat: ok then and do you use KDM or GDM ? |
| 20:52.55 | canllaith | GDM generally asks you if you'd like to make a new session default if you pick a different one from last time |
| 20:53.05 | Ashdurbat | kdm |
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| 20:53.46 | [sLiM] | still crashes |
| 20:54.05 | canllaith | ok then. Mmm interesting |
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| 20:54.12 | canllaith | I wonder how you tell KDM what the default session is |
| 20:54.47 | Ashdurbat | I don't want to overwrite the ability to start up twm, because you can't choose that separatel |
| 20:54.48 | Ashdurbat | y |
| 20:55.19 | canllaith | mmm |
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| 20:56.25 | mattr | canllaith: quit that! make konversation always use the right nick |
| 20:56.37 | canllaith | mattr: quit what? :P |
| 20:56.38 | Ashdurbat | bah I'll try *again* in #fedora |
| 20:56.46 | canllaith | Ashdurbat: dude, I'm looking |
| 20:56.55 | canllaith | either be patient or fix it yourself, that's kinda rude |
| 20:57.06 | Ashdurbat | sorry man, didn't mean it that way |
| 20:57.10 | mattr | canllaith: quit changing nicks w/o my noticing. ;) |
| 20:57.12 | Ashdurbat | I was bahing at #fedora, not you |
| 20:57.20 | neom | I'd just like to state, that kde pwnz gnome for a graphical user interface. ty |
| 20:57.29 | Ashdurbat | +1 |
| 20:57.31 | canllaith | mattr: It is set to use the right nick, I imagine during the night I have reconnected and canllaith was still there |
| 20:57.46 | mattr | canllaith: that when you tell it to get the hell out. :D |
| 20:57.52 | canllaith | mattr: How is my favourite bug comin along? :D |
| 20:57.59 | PhilRod | neom: and if you want to help it pwn even more, there are plenty of ways to contribute |
| 20:58.04 | canllaith | heh I was asleep, gimmie a break! Even I have to sleep -sometimes- |
| 20:58.05 | mattr | canllaith: it's in the hands of the KHTML developers ATM |
| 20:58.28 | canllaith | mattr: ok then. Damn :( Why can't you fix it, I trust you ...... |
| 20:58.29 | neom | canllaith - KDE swag? D: |
| 20:58.29 | canllaith | ;) |
| 20:58.48 | mattr | canllaith: what?!? you mean you actually slept? i'm in shock. ;) |
| 20:58.51 | canllaith | PhilRod: do you happen to know how you can set the default KDM session ?? |
| 20:58.55 | mattr | canllaith: because i get lost in khtml |
| 20:59.02 | PhilRod | canllaith: no idea, sorry |
| 20:59.11 | canllaith | mattr: well, don't tell anyone. You'll ruin my reputation. That's no excuse! I get lost in c++ and that doesn't stop me committing stuff to kicker |
| 20:59.25 | canllaith | <grin> it just stops me knowing what the hell it was I just did |
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| 21:00.04 | canllaith | PhilRod: grep 'efault' in $KDEDIR/share/kdm doesn't come up with anything :\ |
| 21:00.26 | mattr | canllaith: no, i mean like seriously lost, even to the point of forgetting what C++ is. ;) |
| 21:00.40 | canllaith | mattr: You still have an advantage over me since I -never- knew ;) |
| 21:00.44 | PhilRod | canllaith: just seeing if there's an option in the control center module for it... |
| 21:00.47 | canllaith | ahahahaha ok then |
| 21:01.11 | canllaith | ok |
| 21:01.15 | canllaith | I think there is something in kdmrc |
| 21:01.38 | canllaith | oh and PhilRod *looks guiltily for anders before saying the dirty E word( |
| 21:01.41 | canllaith | I got my emacs workin :D |
| 21:01.48 | canllaith | it tab completes entities and stuffs |
| 21:01.51 | PhilRod | ooh, nice |
| 21:02.02 | Flendor | Hey hello Phil |
| 21:02.06 | neom | Are there KDE t-shirts? I'd like on. :D |
| 21:02.08 | PhilRod | hiya Flendor |
| 21:02.08 | canllaith | I gave a complete lisp-head friend of mine your .emacs and lauris |
| 21:02.11 | neom | *one |
| 21:02.13 | canllaith | and said that I want it to do this, this and this |
| 21:02.20 | canllaith | and then an hour later he presented me with a .emacs file that would do it ;) |
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| 21:02.28 | PhilRod | neom: yup - take a look round www.kde.org - you'll find them sooner or later |
| 21:02.56 | canllaith | Ashdurbat: ok well the string 'Default' occurs about a zillion times in the kdmrc, so let me read through it and see if there is a default 'session' section |
| 21:03.14 | mattr | canllaith: nothing wrong with being spoiled |
| 21:03.15 | Ashdurbat | canllaith, thx |
| 21:03.21 | Ashdurbat | canllaith, Aha. |
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| 21:03.42 | Ashdurbat | canllaith, /etc/sysconfig/desktop |
| 21:03.56 | canllaith | I don't have that on Slackware |
| 21:04.00 | canllaith | so that's fedora specific |
| 21:04.07 | Ashdurbat | yeah ;/ |
| 21:04.16 | canllaith | (hence us tellin ya to try #fedora) :P |
| 21:05.34 | Ashdurbat | hehe |
| 21:05.41 | canllaith | oh nice |
| 21:05.47 | Ashdurbat | whoa |
| 21:05.55 | mattr | canllaith: yeah, it's hidden |
| 21:06.03 | canllaith | Indeed |
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| 21:06.12 | ironfroggy | neom: you can get t-shirts made cheap at print shops, so go make one. |
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| 21:06.31 | canllaith | brb just gonna crank up KDM and try it :) |
| 21:07.27 | neom | I notice two things about the kde developers gallery. No one is female, and no one is from canada. |
| 21:07.47 | PhilRod | neom: no, buy an official KDE one - some of the money will go back to the project |
| 21:08.08 | PhilRod | neom: it's outdated, there are both female and Canadian KDE develops |
| 21:08.12 | PhilRod | developers* |
| 21:08.37 | mattr | neom: there's plenty of developers from canada |
| 21:09.01 | neom | Good. |
| 21:09.08 | neom | I can't find the kde t-shirt page though. :( |
| 21:09.10 | mattr | neom: that page isn't an exact representation of kde developers anyways |
| 21:11.07 | Ashdurbat | take care; thank you beineri and canllaith |
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| 21:29.22 | Eagle101 | help. can someone please help me..im trying to isntall kde beta 3.4 with konstruct... |
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| 21:30.19 | canllaith | interesting |
| 21:30.30 | canllaith | every time I try to connect via xdmcp I crash KDM |
| 21:30.48 | canllaith | That's not very friendly. |
| 21:33.36 | mattr | canllaith: hehe. |
| 21:33.47 | mattr | canllaith: you're not having much luck with KDE from cvs these days... |
| 21:33.47 | canllaith | Or is that a new feature? ;) |
| 21:33.58 | canllaith | Protect your computer from unauthorized remote logins! |
| 21:34.11 | canllaith | KDM senses incoming connections and shuts down to save your machine ;) |
| 21:34.25 | mattr | lol |
| 21:34.31 | slayerbob | lol |
| 21:34.33 | canllaith | mattr: lol I never have any luck with KDE cvs |
| 21:34.39 | canllaith | It's always horrible to me. |
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| 21:35.01 | mattr | canllaith: quit doing normal stuff with it. ;) |
| 21:35.20 | mattr | j/k |
| 21:35.25 | canllaith | at least I can read emails now without Kmail crashing after each one ;) |
| 21:35.36 | canllaith | Unsermake + Automake in the same build is Bad News |
| 21:35.47 | mattr | that is true |
| 21:35.56 | mattr | oh, and amarok still plays files for me here. ;) |
| 21:36.31 | canllaith | Yeah it gave up after lots of beatings |
| 21:36.40 | canllaith | and actually grudgingly allowed me to play music on it |
| 21:36.54 | canllaith | it then appeased it's wounded feelings by crashing horribly when I tried to edit a id3 tag |
| 21:37.00 | mattr | i have too many windows open... |
| 21:37.24 | MrGrim | that's what multiple desktops are for :) |
| 21:37.47 | mattr | i have them open in multiple desktops |
| 21:39.37 | canllaith | There is never enough screen space on a 13". I think I was insane to even contemplate a 10" |
| 21:39.46 | mattr | canllaith: you were. ;) |
| 21:40.05 | canllaith | mattr: actually you're a clever lad, you'll prolly know this :) |
| 21:40.19 | canllaith | I've always assumed kcheckpass needs to be setuid root so that it can read /etc/shadow |
| 21:40.22 | canllaith | is this correct? :) |
| 21:40.50 | mattr | i believe so, yes |
| 21:40.52 | Renze | mine is |
| 21:41.23 | canllaith | ok :):) |
| 21:41.27 | canllaith | I know it has to be setuid root |
| 21:41.34 | canllaith | it's entertaining trying to get out of kdesktop lock when it's not ;) |
| 21:41.35 | canllaith | just checking on why |
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| 21:42.32 | mattr | canllaith: LOL |
| 21:42.39 | mattr | i never lock my desktop |
| 21:42.46 | mattr | but well, that's because it'd be hard to steal |
| 21:43.13 | canllaith | heh I have an auto timeout thingo for a screensaver |
| 21:43.33 | mattr | yeah, i should do that, but yeah, i'm lazy |
| 21:43.53 | canllaith | lol |
| 21:44.03 | canllaith | Well at least that way I can wander off and not come back to find people using my pc |
| 21:44.15 | canllaith | the amount of times I have impersonated my b/f in #physics is a bit scary. |
| 21:44.25 | mattr | ROTFL |
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| 21:46.07 | canllaith | So when some people get their exam marks back |
| 21:46.14 | canllaith | they're probably going to come looking for me with a big stick |
| 21:46.25 | slayerbob | lol |
| 21:46.29 | canllaith | I'll point them at Andrew though, I mean leaving your laptop unlocked on the kitchen bench is just an invitation ;) |
| 21:47.08 | slayerbob | even if i locked it it is not like you don't know the password :P |
| 21:47.13 | canllaith | mmm good point |
| 21:47.15 | canllaith | or all your root passwords |
| 21:47.22 | canllaith | you on the other hand seem incapable of remembering mine |
| 21:47.28 | canllaith | (Which suits me fine) |
| 21:47.37 | slayerbob | you have passwords ? |
| 21:47.38 | mattr | LOL |
| 21:47.39 | slayerbob | :| |
| 21:47.40 | slayerbob | :( |
| 21:47.46 | canllaith | lol you so cute |
| 21:48.02 | mattr | slayerbob: that's ok. my wife can't remember my passwords. ) |
| 21:48.07 | mattr | err. :) |
| 21:48.56 | mattr | hahaa |
| 21:48.57 | slayerbob | :P |
| 21:49.07 | slayerbob | which could explain my apparent forgetfulness :) |
| 21:49.09 | Theory | canllaith: you're meant to write them on post it notes and leave them on the monitor |
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| 21:49.12 | canllaith | :P |
| 21:49.25 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 21:49.27 | canllaith | Theory: heh I actually think one of our passwords is written on a monitor somewhere in lead pencil |
| 21:49.35 | mattr | lol |
| 21:49.45 | slayerbob | only postit notes on my monitor have domain names that canllaith wants me to register written on them :P |
| 21:49.48 | canllaith | but I figure if someone is physically sitting down at the machine in my own house I have bigger problems. |
| 21:49.54 | canllaith | YES you suck so much when are you gonna do that? |
| 21:50.35 | canllaith | Mail out a public domain ebook + review every month, kinda like book of the month club but free :) |
| 21:50.47 | canllaith | I guess I could invite myself to e-bookworm@gmail.com but it's not the same. |
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| 21:51.05 | Morrowyn | morning |
| 21:51.05 | canllaith | :( |
| 21:51.10 | canllaith | big meany |
| 21:51.24 | mattr | and who said i was going to keep it for myself? ;) |
| 21:51.30 | canllaith | :o |
| 21:51.52 | Morrowyn | when i go into devices in konqueror and double click the cdrom to mount it, when i try to unmount it, it says : device is busy and i cant seem to unmount it via konqueror |
| 21:51.53 | mattr | especially when you can get domain names for like $20 or less |
| 21:52.01 | canllaith | actually I reckon that would make a nice email address |
| 21:52.04 | canllaith | canllaith@ebookworms.org |
| 21:52.05 | Morrowyn | any idea how i can solve this by not using the terminal? |
| 21:52.36 | canllaith | Morrowyn: you'll have to issue the command 'fuser /mnt/cdrom' to see what's using it |
| 21:52.49 | mattr | ooh, it's even available |
| 21:52.57 | canllaith | mattr: Aye. I know :( |
| 21:53.33 | canllaith | someone offered to buy me a domain name for christmas. I guess I should have taken him up on that |
| 21:53.39 | mattr | slayerbob: dude, what you waiting for? ;) |
| 21:53.51 | massctrl | anyone has an idea when 3.4 hits stable? |
| 21:53.59 | canllaith | massctrl: mid march apparently |
| 21:54.04 | mattr | never. ;) |
| 21:54.07 | massctrl | hehe |
| 21:54.31 | mattr | of course, depends on whether you mean stable release, or debian stable. :D |
| 21:54.37 | slayerbob | er what sorry mattr ? |
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| 21:54.43 | canllaith | and if I have my own domain name of course I can vacate aseigo's mail server and run my own. |
| 21:54.50 | slayerbob | oh :P |
| 21:54.58 | slayerbob | we still talking about the domain names :P |
| 21:55.21 | canllaith | lol man |
| 21:55.24 | canllaith | debian stable is so evil |
| 21:55.35 | canllaith | that tall guy who's name I don't remember was using debian stable |
| 21:55.42 | Morrowyn | it says: /media/cdrom: |
| 21:55.44 | Morrowyn | thats all |
| 21:55.54 | canllaith | lsof /dev/hdc or whatever it is |
| 21:56.23 | Morrowyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.28 | canllaith | ok that |
| 21:56.30 | Morrowyn | thats the pid i assume? |
| 21:56.31 | canllaith | is the process of an open file |
| 21:56.32 | canllaith | yeah |
| 21:56.36 | canllaith | ps ax | grep 2015 |
| 21:56.41 | canllaith | and then you find out that it's konqueror |
| 21:56.42 | canllaith | and you kill it. |
| 21:56.57 | canllaith | ;) gmta |
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| 21:57.06 | mattr | gmta? |
| 21:57.10 | mattr | ahh, right |
| 21:57.11 | canllaith | great minds think alike |
| 21:57.12 | mattr | sorry |
| 21:57.13 | canllaith | heh |
| 21:57.17 | mattr | a little slow on the uptake over here |
| 21:57.22 | mischko | I have the same problem when I put in my sd card. It won't unmount unless I kill a process that kde's holding up. |
| 21:57.29 | canllaith | Morrowyn: generally closing every konqueror window before attempting to unmount your cdrom works |
| 21:57.36 | Morrowyn | kdinit: kio_audiocd audiocd /tmp/ksocket |
| 21:57.36 | canllaith | This is actually a linux kernel issue, not a KDE issue as such. |
| 21:57.40 | canllaith | interesting |
| 21:57.41 | Morrowyn | thats the pid |
| 21:57.43 | canllaith | Well, there you go |
| 21:57.53 | canllaith | kill it :) Unless you're ripping atm of course |
| 21:58.02 | mattr | you can either kill it, or wait for the kioslave to die |
| 21:58.06 | canllaith | aye that too |
| 21:58.18 | Morrowyn | so i have to kill this, close konq and then i can umount it with konq? |
| 21:58.26 | canllaith | No you don't have to close konq |
| 21:58.27 | canllaith | just kill that |
| 21:58.30 | Morrowyn | ok |
| 21:58.39 | canllaith | It would be really nice if the kernel guys could implement a signal |
| 21:58.40 | Morrowyn | thats the audio cd browser in konq? |
| 21:58.49 | canllaith | no idea I don't have a cdrom drive of any kind |
| 21:58.56 | Morrowyn | ok |
| 21:59.03 | mattr | Morrowyn: yes, that's correct |
| 21:59.06 | canllaith | that would signal a pid - 'hey dude, you're blocking my umount. Can you clean up and exit please?' |
| 21:59.08 | mattr | canllaith: you don't have a cdrom drive?!? |
| 21:59.19 | canllaith | mattr: 4lb notebook and it's 5 years old |
| 21:59.24 | mattr | ahh, ok |
| 21:59.25 | mattr | good point |
| 21:59.27 | canllaith | in those days they made them light by takin bits out ;) |
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| 21:59.50 | Morrowyn | hmm, annoying, see im setting this up for my gf, and i want to make it simple as possible |
| 22:00.25 | PhilRod | I would imagine there's a way to reduce the timeout before ioslaves die |
| 22:00.34 | mischko | It may be that if you close Konq and just wait a bit, it will release the drive. |
| 22:00.42 | mattr | it will |
| 22:00.56 | canllaith | Well go and kick the kernel developers for saying this is a problem that needs to be worked around in userspace |
| 22:01.01 | mattr | kioslaves are kept around for a bit after they're not being used so you don't have to start another one |
| 22:01.15 | PhilRod | (that kio_audiocd process was hanging round in case it needed to be reused, but ... d'oh, mattr beat me to it) |
| 22:01.27 | Morrowyn | ok |
| 22:01.38 | Morrowyn | can i turn off the audio cd thing in konq? |
| 22:01.53 | canllaith | So has anyone encountered KDM crashing horribly when you try to connect via xdmcp ? |
| 22:01.57 | Morrowyn | there is no need to play audio cd's from this box, since the speakers are utter crap |
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| 22:02.19 | canllaith | (and of course, I've stripped my binaries cause I'm just that intelligent :\) |
| 22:02.24 | mattr | lol |
| 22:02.31 | mattr | and probably starved for HDD space |
| 22:02.35 | canllaith | heh no :$ |
| 22:02.46 | canllaith | I havea a 40GB in this notebook :$ |
| 22:02.52 | canllaith | but noisy chattery binaries are soooo slow to load. |
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| 22:02.56 | slayerbob | it has more space than my p4 notebook |
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| 22:03.34 | canllaith | yes well the less said about that the better, Mr I don't believe that your HDD is faulty |
| 22:04.08 | dardo | hello |
| 22:04.14 | slayerbob | has not caused me any problems since that first fault that i corrected... |
| 22:04.14 | canllaith | Hiya dardo :) |
| 22:04.15 | slayerbob | :P |
| 22:04.24 | mattr | lol |
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| 22:05.21 | ExElNe1 | is there a programm to move a subtitle of an avi file? |
| 22:07.12 | dardo | how to use kprinter to print to pdf from the console? |
| 22:08.06 | canllaith | kprinter filename ? |
| 22:08.37 | canllaith | kprinter --help shows you the options |
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| 22:09.20 | dardo | i've already read it of course |
| 22:09.20 | mattr | or you can just run kprinter to get the window |
| 22:09.34 | mattr | i don't know a way to do it all from the console... |
| 22:09.40 | naut | question |
| 22:09.56 | dardo | i don't want the gui, i want to use it from console! |
| 22:10.01 | naut | artsd is compalining that it doesn't have permiisions to open the default sound device |
| 22:10.05 | naut | (which is alsa) |
| 22:10.13 | naut | but mplayer works |
| 22:10.18 | Morrowyn | weee, disbaled the audiocd thing, works peachy now :) |
| 22:10.40 | naut | I also know that openmotif is a bit broken (missing libXm.so.2) |
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| 22:10.52 | naut | but I hope that's unrelatd |
| 22:11.08 | naut | any idas what my roblm might be? |
| 22:11.17 | dardo | i need to know how to tell to kprinter the output pdf file name ... |
| 22:12.51 | dardo | anyone can help me? |
| 22:14.01 | mattr | what exactly are you trying to print to pdf? |
| 22:14.31 | derelm | dardo: well its rather easy, if you switch to "print to pdf" then you can enter a output file below ... at least here with kde 3.x |
| 22:14.45 | dardo | an html page |
| 22:15.08 | dardo | derelm: i don't want the gui, i want to use it from console! |
| 22:15.22 | mattr | dardo: i wouldn't use kprinter for that, but rather something like " html2ps | ps2pdf " |
| 22:15.22 | canllaith | naut: check permissions in /dev/dsp (or whatever you have) |
| 22:15.31 | canllaith | also check fuser & lsof /dev/dsp |
| 22:15.35 | canllaith | just to make sure something else isn't hogging it |
| 22:15.38 | dardo | html2ps? |
| 22:16.02 | PhilRod | naut: there's an 'arts troubleshooting' section in the user guide, which you can find at: |
| 22:16.02 | PhilRod | apt: ug |
| 22:16.03 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, ug is http://people.fruitsalad.org/phil/kde/userguide-tng |
| 22:16.10 | PhilRod | ^^ there |
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| 22:16.27 | mattr | dardo: that would be the only way i know to do it. i don't think you can use kprinter from the commandline to do it |
| 22:16.58 | canllaith | PhilRod: there is? |
| 22:17.00 | canllaith | PhilRod: since when? |
| 22:17.19 | canllaith | http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/sound.html |
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| 22:19.25 | dardo | so i can choose to print to pdf but not the output file name from cli? |
| 22:19.47 | PhilRod | canllaith: erm, yes. That's what I meant :-) |
| 22:20.06 | PhilRod | canllaith: I'm glad at least one of us knows what we're on about :-) |
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| 22:20.38 | borndbad | wasnt 3.4 beta2 released? |
| 22:20.51 | Morrowyn | how do i enable the lisa browsing option in konqueror, i have lisa installed, but the dropdown tree thing isnt showing up in konq, any ideas? |
| 22:21.02 | vanRijn | re, all |
| 22:21.09 | Renze | Morrowyn: do you have lisa configured and running? |
| 22:21.10 | canllaith | have you configured lisa? |
| 22:21.13 | canllaith | PhilRod: lol |
| 22:21.19 | vanRijn | borndbad: I thought it was too, but I didn't see anything about it. |
| 22:21.20 | Morrowyn | yup |
| 22:21.37 | PhilRod | dardo: "kprinter -P 'Print to File (PDF)' --nodialog somefilename" comes oh so close, but it pops up a dialog asking for the output filename |
| 22:21.40 | canllaith | Morrowyn: Kcontrol -> Internet & Network -> LISa Daemon ? |
| 22:21.43 | Morrowyn | i have set it up in the control center -> network |
| 22:21.53 | canllaith | As the administrator? :) |
| 22:22.00 | Renze | Morrowyn: and is lisa running? |
| 22:22.04 | PhilRod | dardo: I expect you have to specify an option with the -o argument |
| 22:22.07 | vanRijn | does anyone know if better support for changing mouse cursors is being planned or talked about? i.e. having to restart KDE to change your mouse cursor just sucks. |
| 22:22.09 | Morrowyn | yup |
| 22:22.14 | naut | PhilRod: ty |
| 22:22.19 | dardo | PhilRod: right, i've already found it! |
| 22:22.35 | Morrowyn | oh wait my bad |
| 22:23.36 | Morrowyn | i had it set to localhost :P |
| 22:25.46 | vanRijn | blargh |
| 22:27.29 | dardo | PhilRod: i was thinking so too but -o is for the printer (driver?) options, like the ones from lphelp! |
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| 22:30.02 | PhilRod | dardo: dunno, sorry - I've never really used kprinter |
| 22:30.13 | Morrowyn | hmm, the thing still isnt showing up |
| 22:30.38 | Renze | Morrowyn: did you stop/start lisa after the config changes? |
| 22:30.41 | Morrowyn | but when i use lan:/ it works |
| 22:31.03 | Morrowyn | yup |
| 22:31.39 | dardo | PhilRod: where can i ask for help? |
| 22:32.40 | PhilRod | dardo: you could try tracking down pipitas, although he might be afk. Alternatively, the kde@mail.kde.org mailing list might help |
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| 22:38.22 | Morrowyn | im off |
| 22:38.23 | Morrowyn | laterz all |
| 22:38.51 | mattr | bye |
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| 22:40.03 | vanRijn | re, all |
| 22:40.25 | vanRijn | does anyone know if there are plans on making X less sucky with regards to changing your mouse cursor without having to log out and log back in again? |
| 22:42.12 | mattr | we wouldn't know |
| 22:42.17 | mattr | the X developers would know though |
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| 22:43.54 | vanRijn | well, is it an X problem or a KDE problem, do you know? |
| 22:44.11 | vanRijn | I suppose it's X, being that you have to restart apps for X to change their cursor... |
| 22:44.30 | mattr | X |
| 22:44.35 | rikva | indeed |
| 22:44.46 | rikva | (i think that sucks too) |
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| 22:45.28 | grepper | hm, for some reason I am getting squares and numbers for some localization entries in desktop files, and it is (I think) killing my compile. My $LANG is en_US.UTF-8. Any ideas what I am missing ? |
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| 22:45.43 | mattr | not sure, since that's my LANG too. |
| 22:46.11 | grepper | not that I need these particular localizations, but it would take a while to remove them all |
| 22:46.40 | mattr | well, having a UTF-8 system is a good thing (tm) |
| 22:47.33 | mattr | yea, that's what my lang is, i don't know why you'd be getting compiler errors from that |
| 22:47.35 | grepper | yeah, that is why it is strange. Never had this problem before compiling, even when *not* using utf8 |
| 22:47.42 | mattr | anyways, need to leave. later |
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| 22:47.59 | grepper | things like: ERROR: suse_update_desktop_file: unable to read |
| 22:49.55 | lauri | that's nothing out of KDE's cvs, so I expect you should ask SuSE for help |
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| 22:52.54 | grepper | lauri: yeah, my other machine reads this same files just fine |
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| 23:07.35 | obe1 | 'enable multi monitor virtual desktop' is that a config somewhere in kcontrol? |
| 23:07.58 | obe1 | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78664 <= they mention it in this bug report |
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| 23:19.45 | jepel_tailweaver | wb canllaith |
| 23:19.58 | canllaith | :) |
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| 23:21.29 | canllaith | goddamn stupid konversation rejoining |
| 23:21.29 | canllaith | brb while I go slap my laptop |
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| 23:21.36 | jepel_tailweaver | the nice thing about laptops is that they are easier to discipline |
| 23:21.42 | slayerbob | canllaith and dessa ? |
| 23:21.43 | jepel_tailweaver | just lift them up from the desk and drop them |
| 23:21.44 | slayerbob | lol |
| 23:21.49 | jepel_tailweaver | or just throw one out the window |
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| 23:23.43 | [sLiM] | is there anyway to replace old kde with 3.4 |
| 23:23.46 | [sLiM] | im on debian |
| 23:23.53 | canllaith | you can build it by hand |
| 23:24.02 | canllaith | but in all honesty you're probably best to wait for a release |
| 23:24.08 | slayerbob | jepel_tailweaver: my laptop is impossible to discipline :( |
| 23:24.37 | [sLiM] | aw ok because somethings arent working..i think because of the 2 different kde dirs |
| 23:25.47 | [sLiM] | canllaith, is there a known release date? |
| 23:26.23 | Renze | mid-March for source... for debian, maybe 2008 |
| 23:26.28 | aseigo | lol |
| 23:27.00 | canllaith | Mid marchish :) |
| 23:27.14 | canllaith | aseigo: doing kicker handbook today |
| 23:27.28 | canllaith | :D wow hugs! |
| 23:27.38 | canllaith | I should do stuff for you more often |
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| 23:32.53 | jepel_tailweaver | it seems I can actually install the KDE 3.4 Beta, in a seperate dir, with Gentoo's Portage and a bit of tweaking |
| 23:33.12 | canllaith | of course you can install it in a seperate dir ;) |
| 23:33.16 | canllaith | ./configure --prefix=/opt/kde-unstable |
| 23:33.49 | jepel_tailweaver | I knew how to do it by hand |
| 23:33.58 | jepel_tailweaver | I just didn't realize I could do it with Gentoo's tools |
| 23:34.33 | jepel_tailweaver | In theory, I *could* have it blend right in because of /usr/kde/<version>, but I'll just build packages and install them in /opt |
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| 23:41.23 | Borg^Queen | Hey humans |
| 23:41.36 | jepel_tailweaver | 'lo |
| 23:41.58 | Renze | 'lo borgy |
| 23:42.05 | Borg^Queen | EYE have a question is there a frontend for scp or sftp for KDE? |
| 23:42.13 | Borg^Queen | Hey Renze |
| 23:42.16 | slayerbob | other than fish ? |
| 23:42.21 | Borg^Queen | Fish? |
| 23:42.29 | Renze | Borg^Queen: sftp:/ or fish:/ |
| 23:42.29 | jepel_tailweaver | Borg^Queen: fish:/ is like sshing ing |
| 23:42.30 | slayerbob | in konqueror type fish:// |
| 23:42.49 | slayerbob | basically does scp in konqueror :) |
| 23:42.55 | Renze | fish:/ is a graphical ssh |
| 23:43.10 | slayerbob | erm |
| 23:43.21 | slayerbob | fish://username@ipaddress i guess :P |
| 23:43.27 | Borg^Queen | Great I knew you guys would know. TRying to help keep a crack monkey from using whineDOH!s |
| 23:43.34 | slayerbob | lol |
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| 23:46.11 | Borg^Queen | brb! Pray for him! |
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