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| 00:03.07 | illogic-al | rdancer: maybe you'd have more luck with that in #kde-docs |
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| 00:14.24 | kouiskas | heya, I've just changed from fluxbox to kde, I just wanted to know if it's possible to have an application start in a specific desktop even when launched from another? (a feature I liked in fluxbox |
| 00:14.42 | chowells | kstart can help, it hink |
| 00:14.43 | chowells | think |
| 00:14.48 | Renze | kouiskas: go to a konsole and type kstart --help |
| 00:15.03 | kouiskas | thanx I'll check that out |
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| 00:18.36 | rdancer | illogic-al: thx |
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| 00:20.52 | kouiskas | Renze, unfortunately I just tried it with gnucash, the splash window shows up in the desktop I want but then the main window appears on the active desktop :/ |
| 00:21.14 | Renze | kouiskas: sorry, can't help there... I don't use gnome apps :) |
| 00:22.08 | Renze | kouiskas: the other option is to right click on the titlebar and select Advanced -> Special Window Settings, and set it in there |
| 00:23.00 | Dhraakellian | let's see, I think i heard somewhere that the main reason that Firefox's preferences menu item is in the Edit menu is due to gnome's HIG |
| 00:23.16 | Dhraakellian | if this is true, would a Qt version have it in the Tools menu? |
| 00:23.17 | illogic-al | Dhraakellian: aye. |
| 00:23.22 | Dhraakellian | </pondering> |
| 00:23.36 | illogic-al | It has been bent to the gnome will. phear them. |
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| 00:23.41 | illogic-al | phear them harder. |
| 00:24.27 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 00:24.51 | Dhraakellian | the Qt Firefox stuff is still alive and kicking, unlike the gecko kpart, right? |
| 00:25.38 | Renze | illogic-al: only when you start swearing at opera :) |
| 00:26.15 | Renze | is it less fugly than it used to be? |
| 00:26.22 | illogic-al | read my words -> www.illogic-al.org |
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| 00:26.31 | Dhraakellian | ah... opera |
| 00:26.34 | illogic-al | tell your freinds. i got money if you go there |
| 00:26.46 | illogic-al | ok. not really. but i can dream right? |
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| 00:40.08 | LeStat- | anyone know how to take a program like gdeskcal (the eyecandy desktop calender) and make it auto launch on each startup |
| 00:40.38 | Renze | LeStat-: open a file manager window, go to the Go menu, select Autostart |
| 00:41.34 | LeStat- | damn thats easy |
| 00:41.37 | LeStat- | thanks renze |
| 00:41.43 | Renze | no problem |
| 00:42.20 | LeStat- | i would copy the wrapper into that autostart dir it opens then? |
| 00:42.40 | LeStat- | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.09 | Renze | you can put links, .desktop files, scripts, whatever in there, and they will start when you log in |
| 00:43.26 | LeStat- | excellent |
| 00:44.49 | LeStat- | now if i could just figure out how to take a window decoration file downloaded from kde-look and install it...i tried the directions there but it didnt work, theres no install new theme button in the control center as the directions say |
| 00:45.11 | Renze | window decorations aren't themes |
| 00:45.24 | LeStat- | well i mean the win dec section of the control center |
| 00:45.30 | LeStat- | dont see options for installing new ones |
| 00:45.44 | Renze | of course not... window decorations need to be compiled |
| 00:45.56 | Renze | they're native code, unless they're icewm themes |
| 00:46.02 | Dhraakellian | or have binary packages made |
| 00:46.10 | Renze | or that, yes |
| 00:46.45 | LeStat- | yea i was looking into IceWM ones |
| 00:47.02 | LeStat- | and the directions said in the list of win decos there was one that said icewm, but its no where to be found |
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| 00:47.23 | Renze | perhaps your distro chose to exclude it? |
| 00:47.38 | LeStat- | that is possible |
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| 00:50.43 | illogic-al | hahaha |
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| 01:25.14 | vanRijn | I have this really weird problem. I have built kde 3.4 beta1 with konstruct and have it installed. Whether I log in through kdm or gdm, I can only successfully start my kde session once--the first time after a reboot. Any other time, ksplash (and my whole kde session) hangs when it's trying to start up. |
| 01:25.24 | vanRijn | does this sound familiar to anyone? |
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| 01:28.36 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 01:28.44 | Dhraakellian | I think i've had it happen a few times |
| 01:28.52 | Dhraakellian | I have no idea what causes it |
| 01:29.23 | vanRijn | I can't get it to work! |
| 01:29.28 | Dhraakellian | most of my X restarts have involved some teeth-gnashing since moving to 3.4beta1 |
| 01:29.44 | Dhraakellian | mostly because it seems to be handling ~/.kde differently |
| 01:30.06 | vanRijn | I rm -rf /tmp/*gideon* (my userid is gideon), and rm $HOME/.ICEAuthority, and even kill every single one of my processes. But it still hangs. |
| 01:30.13 | Dhraakellian | but I suspect that the .kde issue is a gentoo thing |
| 01:30.47 | vanRijn | I can't figure out what it's doing different on other-than-the first time KDE starts per reboot, but something is different, and it doesn't look like it's caused by any leftover running processes, at least not for my userid. |
| 01:31.08 | Dhraakellian | (it renames ~/.kde to ~/.kdeX.Y after exiting instead of just using a symlink to ~/.kdeX.Y) |
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| 01:34.36 | vanRijn | erm |
| 01:34.41 | vanRijn | you're talking about your problem? |
| 01:37.26 | Dhraakellian | vanRijn: yeah |
| 01:38.14 | Dhraakellian | but, yes, I have had the thing where it seems to stop on the second icon of the splash screen |
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| 01:38.23 | Dhraakellian | it just sits and blinks |
| 01:38.51 | Dhraakellian | and doing ctrl+alt+F1 doesn't show much activity |
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| 01:40.37 | gregday_ | check permissions on the audio devices |
| 01:40.39 | gregday_ | and wipe out /tmp/kde* |
| 01:41.48 | Dhraakellian | hmm... I don't think I've restarted KDE since setting up dmix |
| 01:41.49 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
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| 01:42.48 | zack | when konqueror is launched without any arguments, which profile is it supposed to load? |
| 01:42.55 | vanRijn | gregday_: I've wiped out /tmp/kde* and it still hangs on me |
| 01:43.06 | vanRijn | I just tried it with a new user to this machine and it doesn't hang. |
| 01:43.19 | vanRijn | so there must be something that's making it go nuts. How can I figure out what it is? |
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| 01:46.19 | aseigo | zack: webbrowser iirc |
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| 01:52.42 | illogic-al | aseigo recalls correctly |
| 01:52.51 | Dhraakellian | aseigo: what was the answer? |
| 01:53.11 | aseigo | to what? |
| 01:53.14 | aseigo | 42 |
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| 01:55.14 | zack | aseigo: odd. i overwrote the "Web Browsing" profile, and when i launch konqueror it loads... i have no idea what profile it's loading. it's not in my list. |
| 01:55.56 | zack | aseigo: it thinks it's loaded "Web Browsing" but if i re-load that profile i get something different |
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| 01:57.45 | receptor | hi |
| 01:58.27 | Dhraakellian | aseigo: the problem with kde not finishing its startup |
| 01:58.47 | Dhraakellian | 'lo |
| 01:58.57 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: ah... usually it's due to stale iceauthority or xauthority files |
| 01:59.04 | receptor | im trying to connect to kdm, getting XDMCP: manager not willing display not authorized to connect |
| 01:59.14 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 01:59.22 | receptor | what am i doing wrong/where to tweak? |
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| 02:06.16 | receptor | hmm |
| 02:06.43 | receptor | i'm gonna stick here for a while, no need to rush with your answers... ;D |
| 02:07.29 | annma | please paste your question |
| 02:08.45 | Renze | receptor: do you have in the [Xdmcp] section of kdmrc a line that reads "Enable=true"? |
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| 02:12.35 | xevious | where is the K menu icon set? i'd like to change it. |
| 02:14.17 | gregday_ | quickly approaching 10,000 messages in kmail and no slowness yet :) |
| 02:14.33 | chowells | pfft |
| 02:14.42 | chowells | I have about 150k messages in kmail |
| 02:15.02 | gregday_ | maildir i hope |
| 02:15.06 | chowells | yes |
| 02:15.31 | chowells | i think 40k is the max per folder |
| 02:17.29 | Dhraakellian | Yay! Netsplit1 |
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| 02:17.30 | illogic-al | Dhraakellian: make a wish |
| 02:17.30 | illogic-al | officially... |
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| 02:18.52 | Dhraakellian | if only in passing while asking for a way to turn off the preview pane at all |
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| 02:19.55 | illogic-al | Dhraakellian should check b.k.o. and make sure |
| 02:20.19 | illogic-al | cause sure won't file that wish for you :-) |
| 02:20.28 | Dhraakellian | illogic-al: heh |
| 02:21.18 | illogic-al | of course upon it being file someone _could_ make it a junior job and some other benevolent _could_ decide to implement it... |
| 02:21.35 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 02:21.57 | illogic-al | insert words as necessary for that to make complete sense :-) |
| 02:23.42 | _poison | *g* what hardware is kde intended to run on ? |
| 02:23.53 | Dhraakellian | illogic-al: not at peak performance at the moment, eh? |
| 02:24.01 | annma | 128Mb RAM _poison |
| 02:24.12 | Dhraakellian | it can be done |
| 02:24.16 | Dhraakellian | albeit slowly |
| 02:25.12 | Dhraakellian | _poison: heh |
| 02:25.50 | Dhraakellian | I don't know how well I'd tolerate it now, even with a newer, faster KDE and a newer, faster kernel |
| 02:25.56 | annma | I remember compiling KDE with 128Mb RAM |
| 02:26.02 | annma | 1 year ago |
| 02:26.03 | Dhraakellian | now that I'm used to this 2.4GHz p4 |
| 02:26.08 | Dhraakellian | annma: masochist |
| 02:26.11 | annma | lol |
| 02:26.20 | annma | broke you mean |
| 02:26.26 | Dhraakellian | or that |
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| 02:26.33 | _poison | hmm .. kde 3.2 is slugginsh on a pII@66 with 224MB ram ... |
| 02:26.39 | _poison | -n |
| 02:26.51 | _poison | damn PII266 that is .. |
| 02:26.54 | annma | p2 66Mh |
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| 02:27.29 | annma | well probably |
| 02:27.44 | annma | kde is a desktop environment, it's heavy |
| 02:27.53 | _poison | annma: so was geos =P |
| 02:27.55 | _poison | *g* |
| 02:28.04 | Renze | it still runs faster than windows on the same hardware :) |
| 02:28.09 | gregday_ | annma: permission to LART people who call KDE a window manager? |
| 02:28.11 | annma | true, Renze |
| 02:28.22 | annma | gregday_: yeah, go! |
| 02:29.44 | gregday_ | it's like windows for linux right |
| 02:29.53 | gregday_ | it's a competitor to that other window manager, gnome |
| 02:30.03 | Renze | thank you mistress, may I have some more? :) |
| 02:30.07 | annma | lol |
| 02:30.16 | annma | Renze: don't forget I practce karate |
| 02:30.23 | Renze | ooooo :) |
| 02:30.30 | Dhraakellian | gregday_: not funny and yes, if by competitor you mean "something that grinds the competition into the dust based on merit" |
| 02:30.31 | gregday_ | annma: you should fight Tove |
| 02:30.33 | annma | in fact tomorrow I'll head for a intensive international session |
| 02:30.35 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 02:30.44 | annma | gregday_: she is black belt |
| 02:30.52 | annma | I am not (yet) |
| 02:31.23 | gregday_ | annma: would you fight Melinda Gates? |
| 02:31.30 | annma | lol, yes! |
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| 02:32.00 | gregday_ | shes responsible for MS Bob |
| 02:32.00 | gregday_ | that's your motivation |
| 02:32.30 | _poison | annma: geos used about 20k ram with word processor and 'graphics editor' running and was more responsive on an 1MHZ processor.... thats why I'm really beginning to nwonder where all the RAM and CPU cycles get lost ... |
| 02:32.38 | no0b | is there any way to get the active task windows off of the panel and on to a seperate panel? (kde 3.3.1 sparc/solaris) |
| 02:32.47 | Renze | _poison: eye-candy |
| 02:33.00 | annma | _poison: and what did geos provide? all what kde provides/ |
| 02:33.18 | annma | _poison: run a light w m |
| 02:33.27 | annma | noody forces you to run kde |
| 02:33.44 | annma | it does not make sense anyway |
| 02:33.49 | _poison | annma: yes ... the argument sounded a little stupid ... it is too ... but you get the idea what I wanted to say ? |
| 02:34.00 | annma | no, I don't |
| 02:34.02 | illogic-al | just because. |
| 02:34.08 | annma | _poison: I don't get the idea at all |
| 02:34.10 | Renze | illogic-al: you'd kick a man when he's down? :) |
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| 02:34.25 | illogic-al | Renze: glady |
| 02:34.31 | annma | illissius-: hi man! |
| 02:34.38 | annma | illogic-al I mean |
| 02:34.49 | illogic-al | illissius-: stop stealing my nick completions! |
| 02:34.55 | annma | lol |
| 02:35.01 | illogic-al | :-D |
| 02:35.05 | illogic-al | hey annma |
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| 02:35.32 | illogic-al | I'm doing excel stuff o_0 |
| 02:35.53 | illogic-al | learning to use a spreadsheet for my biochem class. |
| 02:35.58 | annma | lol |
| 02:36.01 | annma | hmmm |
| 02:36.05 | annma | not funnt |
| 02:36.07 | annma | funny |
| 02:36.41 | illogic-al | by learning i mean doing the pitiful intro exercises the teacher assigned thinking he'd actually be helping the class learn something |
| 02:36.48 | annma | lol |
| 02:36.51 | annma | yeah |
| 02:37.04 | illogic-al | it's more an excercise in tedium. |
| 02:37.11 | no0b | is there a way to get the active window tabs off the main kde panel? |
| 02:37.32 | annma | no0b: main kde panel? you mean kicker? |
| 02:37.36 | Renze | no0b: remove the applet |
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| 02:37.48 | illogic-al | it probably doesn't help that I go back and forth between irc and the web while doing this... |
| 02:37.52 | annma | lol |
| 02:37.55 | annma | no |
| 02:38.04 | no0b | annma: yes kicker |
| 02:38.28 | annma | active window tabs: define that pease |
| 02:38.37 | no0b | Renze: not app icons, I want those, I want the active window tabs on a seperate panel |
| 02:39.02 | no0b | when you minimize an app, the window tab goes on the pane |
| 02:39.11 | Renze | no0b: remove the taskbar applet from the main panel, and add it to another panel |
| 02:39.23 | annma | it goes on an applet called taskbar, no0b |
| 02:39.28 | no0b | thanks, I'll try that |
| 02:39.44 | annma | this applet has a small handle on the left, right clcik on it, remove it |
| 02:39.47 | Renze | maybe I should just type slower, or something |
| 02:39.57 | annma | then add applet -> taskbar on your other panel |
| 02:40.24 | annma | Renze: well I had trouble getting what he meant |
| 02:40.44 | Renze | yeah, they all seem to assume we're psychic and know what they want |
| 02:40.56 | annma | _ |
| 02:41.03 | annma | _ |
| 02:41.05 | annma | god |
| 02:41.09 | annma | no matter |
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| 02:45.40 | no0b | annma: I tried to explain what I meant to the best of my ability, You seem to have understood, because it is working exactly as I wanted. Thank-you. |
| 02:46.16 | annma | :) |
| 02:46.19 | annma | you're welcome |
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| 02:52.27 | illogic-al | 3rd problem finished (and probably wrong) |
| 02:52.38 | illogic-al | I'll have to check these when I can be arsed. |
| 02:52.44 | annma | ll |
| 02:52.55 | annma | +o |
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| 03:02.50 | foobar | would someone be willing to help me on a konsole issue?? |
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| 03:06.15 | cbbvj | foobar: just ask your question, someone might be able to help |
| 03:13.38 | foobar | ok :), well..i am a gentoo user and i recently rebuilt my box due to a harddrive crash :(. everythink seems to work properly, but konsole refuses to load my schema setting from the profiles file in my home dir. it keeps defaulting back to the konsole default (black text, white background) |
| 03:14.45 | Renze | foobar: do you save defaults after selecting your schema? |
| 03:15.04 | Renze | Settings -> Save as Default |
| 03:15.59 | foobar | yes, as i have done many times befor |
| 03:16.19 | foobar | this is why it is confusing me so |
| 03:16.20 | Renze | hmmm |
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| 03:16.47 | Renze | perhaps a permissions problem in ~/.kde/share/config/ ? check konsolerc |
| 03:16.51 | foobar | it has always just worked!! lol and i am not that great of a linux user yet to figure out thes issues |
| 03:17.03 | foobar | ok |
| 03:19.27 | foobar | schema=Transparent_darkbg.schema << that is in there..is that what you are talking about?? |
| 03:19.27 | foobar | however the root one is blank |
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| 03:19.35 | Renze | no, I mean the permissions/ownership of the file itself |
| 03:20.24 | foobar | oh |
| 03:20.53 | foobar | -rw------- 1 foobar users 705 Feb 1 21:09 /home/foobar/.kde3.3/share/config/konsolerc |
| 03:21.38 | foobar | it writes to the file cause i can see my changes take effect |
| 03:22.44 | Renze | then I'm at a loss |
| 03:23.38 | foobar | lol...just like everyone else i have asked!! lol |
| 03:26.30 | Renze | you've broken something... because it works fine here on my gentoo |
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| 03:28.02 | foobar | how can i have broken something, i haven't done anything!! lol |
| 03:28.58 | foobar | ok, it has to be my user, cause it works in root |
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| 03:31.39 | aseigo | foobar: it works with the exact same konsolerc? e.g. you just copied it over? |
| 03:31.48 | canllaith | what is the time Renze ? |
| 03:31.53 | Renze | 4:31pm |
| 03:32.01 | foobar | aseigo, yes |
| 03:32.02 | canllaith | cool :) Just making sure |
| 03:32.21 | canllaith | I swear every time I cvs up, KDE seems to get faster |
| 03:32.31 | aseigo | foobar: hrm. oddness. that would seem to imply that Transparent_darkbg.schema isn't visible to your user |
| 03:32.33 | Renze | that's a good thing :) |
| 03:32.35 | foobar | where else are settings pulled from ?? |
| 03:32.55 | aseigo | canllaith: http://aseigo.bddf.ca/dms/32/106_snapshot3.png |
| 03:33.01 | aseigo | have you seen that yet? |
| 03:33.19 | aseigo | foobar: if you do a `locate Transparent_darkbg.schema` what do you get? |
| 03:33.31 | canllaith | so um yes. |
| 03:33.40 | foobar | aseigo, yes..it is..i can sellect it and any others all day long and it works...until i open a new tab or window...THEN it uses the defaults and i have to reset it |
| 03:33.46 | aseigo | canllaith: oh.. heh.. i see =) |
| 03:34.06 | canllaith | Not that I have contributed to the final design, but I did some graphics for frerich that ended up not being used |
| 03:34.15 | canllaith | but basically, yes I have been hearing all about it and looking at in progress stuff forever. |
| 03:34.17 | aseigo | foobar: ah! you want to set it as the default schema then... |
| 03:34.30 | canllaith | and it is sooooo sexy and cool :) |
| 03:34.31 | aseigo | canllaith: ok fine, so you're bored with it =P |
| 03:34.38 | canllaith | No no, not bored :) |
| 03:35.19 | foobar | yes..and in the config files i have seen for konsole as my user, they are exactly the same as root |
| 03:36.12 | foobar | i coppied my user config directly to my root config and it works just fine, so something somewhere else has to be resetting it |
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| 03:38.37 | foobar | what about /etc/profile ...would anything in there cause it?? |
| 03:39.45 | mattr | aseigo: btw, i like snapshot3 |
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| 03:44.15 | menteers | I have been using gnome as my frontend for awhile now...I have just started using KDE much out of curiousity...I was wondering what are somethings that KDE can do that gnome can't |
| 03:45.04 | ideafix | gnome can't miau |
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| 03:47.49 | canllaith | mmm |
| 03:48.01 | mattr | menteers: it's been awhile since i've used gnome, but i think kde integrates into itself better |
| 03:48.06 | canllaith | is unsermake -supposed- to do any compiling or linking on unsermake install if you have already run unsermake?? |
| 03:48.14 | mattr | canllaith: yes, if something changed, it will |
| 03:48.22 | canllaith | mattr: what could have changed? |
| 03:48.31 | canllaith | between me typing 'unsermake' and 'unsermake install' ? |
| 03:48.41 | mattr | canllaith: don't have a clue. which module is it? |
| 03:48.44 | canllaith | kopete. |
| 03:48.56 | mattr | and it's compiling again? |
| 03:49.00 | canllaith | Yes |
| 03:49.05 | ideafix | kopete is the best kde app |
| 03:49.40 | canllaith | which sucks. Lots. I don't know why it is being so amazingly stupid. |
| 03:49.46 | canllaith | Why compile it twice? |
| 03:50.05 | mattr | canllaith: that's a good question. it shouldn't compile twice |
| 03:50.17 | mattr | canllaith: especially if you did, 'unsermake' then 'unsermake install' right after |
| 03:50.28 | canllaith | unsermake; sudo unsermake install |
| 03:50.35 | canllaith | sorry I used su rather than sudo |
| 03:51.03 | mattr | the difference between su and sudo could be what does it... |
| 03:51.22 | canllaith | Well, I also find it does it on unsermake DESTDIR=/foo install |
| 03:51.26 | canllaith | and I don't su or sudo before that |
| 03:51.56 | mattr | hmm |
| 03:51.57 | mattr | weird |
| 03:52.29 | canllaith | Well, I'm sittin here watching it do it :) So it definitely exists. |
| 03:52.35 | mattr | except when switching between cvs branches. :) |
| 03:52.42 | canllaith | This is a completely clean checkout |
| 03:52.44 | menteers | newbie question, how do you change the volume in kde |
| 03:52.45 | menteers | lol |
| 03:52.53 | canllaith | menteers: kmix if it's installed :) |
| 03:52.53 | Renze | menteers: kmix |
| 03:53.08 | canllaith | look in KMenu -> Mutimedia |
| 03:53.27 | grepper | canllaith: I had problems with unsermake redoing the compile in a loop, but I assumed it was because it was not compatible with the debian rules script |
| 03:53.35 | canllaith | grepper: interesting. |
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| 03:54.02 | mattr | err, cvs up -D '1 day ago' |
| 03:54.07 | canllaith | mmm ? |
| 03:54.12 | mattr | because frerich changed some stuff and unsermake went all wonky |
| 03:54.19 | mattr | so i'm using like a two day old checkout |
| 03:54.27 | canllaith | fair enough, I'll just switch back to make for the moment |
| 03:55.20 | canllaith | Compiling it twice doesn't do anything for the performance either :) |
| 03:55.23 | mattr | hmm, let's see, what to start on next, webcams or file transfers... |
| 03:55.51 | canllaith | and now it's compiling it a third time |
| 03:55.56 | canllaith | with make DESTDIR=/foo |
| 03:56.06 | mattr | i wonder if you clock is broken... |
| 03:56.10 | mattr | s/you/your |
| 03:56.12 | canllaith | (ok so I did unsermake, then unsermake install, then unsermake DESTDIR=/foo install so that I can distribute it elsewhere) |
| 03:56.16 | canllaith | my clock? |
| 03:56.26 | mattr | yeah, sounds like a classic case of clock skew |
| 03:56.32 | canllaith | 'clock skew' ? |
| 03:57.19 | mattr | basically, something went all wonky with your clock, so *make thinks it needs to recompile. |
| 03:57.23 | canllaith | um |
| 03:57.39 | canllaith | and what would cause something all wonky to happen with my clock between typing make and make install? |
| 03:58.05 | mattr | i haven't a clue |
| 03:58.05 | aseigo | you live in kiwiland. 'nuff said. |
| 03:58.09 | mattr | LOL |
| 03:58.14 | aseigo | that's sort of like living in the bermuda triangle. |
| 03:58.31 | aseigo | only instead of being named after a cool pair of shorts, it's named after a fruit. cognito ergo sum. |
| 03:58.42 | mattr | canllaith: this is a brand new checkout? |
| 03:58.57 | canllaith | mattr: yes |
| 03:59.03 | canllaith | fresh install of slackware on a blank hdd |
| 03:59.09 | canllaith | as brand new as it possibly can get |
| 04:00.22 | mattr | canllaith: hmm, i don't know then. sorry |
| 04:01.04 | mattr | and now pardon me, i must dive into the fiery depth of code known as libyahoo2 so i can figure out how to make webcam receiving work |
| 04:01.18 | mattr | callbacks. ick |
| 04:04.15 | canllaith | there are days that I hate KDE, and continue using it simply because I cannot find anything I hate less :\ |
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| 04:04.31 | mattr | hate is such a strong word... |
| 04:04.32 | aseigo | sort like a bumb boyfriend huh? |
| 04:05.05 | canllaith | No, I don't think I've ever been so pathetic as to be with someone simply because I can't find another person I despise less. |
| 04:07.03 | Dhraakellian | or if it already has it, how do I enable it? |
| 04:07.34 | mattr | Dhraakellian: i think there's some exchange supporting stuff in kde 3.4 along with some other groupware things |
| 04:07.37 | mattr | not sure though |
| 04:07.45 | Dhraakellian | heh... |
| 04:07.57 | Dhraakellian | I've never actually used anything other than pop for email clients |
| 04:08.20 | snugglemonkey | Dhraakellian: I hear it's supported mainly if the server is posting the info as an imap server. |
| 04:08.32 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 04:08.51 | Dhraakellian | !order burnination to MCC IT staff who haven't apparently enabled IMAP for student email |
| 04:09.12 | snugglemonkey | evil IT. |
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| 04:12.38 | Dhraakellian | outlook web access, on the other hand |
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| 04:24.33 | _poison | hey ... somebody knows an app like kplato ... only finished ? ^^ |
| 04:25.28 | Renze | no idea what kplato is |
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| 04:28.30 | _poison | Renze: http://www.koffice.org/kplato/index.php ... project management ... |
| 04:28.39 | mattr | _poison: if you're looking for something that's finished, i think the only thing available is something called 'Planner' at http://www.imendio.com/projects/planner/ |
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| 04:29.23 | mattr | _poison: it's not KDE based, but it's the only thing i know of |
| 04:30.09 | _poison | mattr: thank you ... was looking for that one ... couldn't google it cause the name is too generic =D |
| 04:32.25 | _poison | gnome =( *sighs* |
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| 04:44.19 | moemar | whats the difference between themes/styles and color schemes? |
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| 04:44.36 | Renze | moemar: I'd think that would be obvious |
| 04:44.38 | marcusU | themes are a combination on color scenes, widget styles, and backgroundds. |
| 04:44.45 | marcusU | No it's not obvious. |
| 04:45.04 | moemar | do most themes come with sounds? |
| 04:45.22 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 04:45.44 | marcusU | moemar: No, sounds are separate. |
| 04:46.30 | marcusU | moemar: Think of "themes" in Appearance & Themes -> Theme Manager as being a collection of settings for the background, colors, widget style, icons, fonts, and screensaver. |
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| 04:47.47 | mattr | wb canllaith |
| 04:47.48 | mattr | hi tim_h__ |
| 04:48.04 | canllaith | :) |
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| 04:48.42 | canllaith | oooh konversation has some new icons |
| 04:49.02 | _poison | 0.15 ? |
| 04:49.28 | canllaith | cvs head |
| 04:49.31 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 04:50.29 | _poison | ^^ |
| 04:50.42 | Dhraakellian | ... |
| 04:55.27 | straw | what release, Dhraakellian? |
| 04:55.40 | Dhraakellian | 3.4 beta1 |
| 04:55.52 | Dhraakellian | and it's not the USE="-cdparanoia" problem |
| 04:55.58 | Dhraakellian | I think |
| 04:56.22 | straw | hand built or packages? |
| 04:56.37 | Dhraakellian | gentoo monolithic ebuilds |
| 04:57.25 | straw | oh, i should've noticed the USE= flag |
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| 04:58.32 | straw | what's going wrong? and stop talking in the third person, it's unnerving ;) |
| 04:59.37 | Dhraakellian | I was just observing |
| 04:59.43 | Dhraakellian | I haven't actually tried to rip a CD in ages |
| 04:59.58 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: btw, had to reboot that machine yesterday =p |
| 05:00.02 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: heh |
| 05:00.04 | canllaith | so 308 days was as high as I got |
| 05:00.42 | straw | there's so much evil in the world |
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| 05:06.14 | straw | there you have it, folks. kde devs are known to be aligned with evil |
| 05:06.26 | foobar | just to let you guys know...recreating my user fixed my konsole issue |
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| 05:09.07 | Kr0nd0r | I am not sure if this channel provides help at all, or if it is for developers. I am looking for a kde applet to allow me to join and disconnect from available wifi networks. Is there any? |
| 05:09.21 | Kr0nd0r | kwifimanager lets me look at networks that I am already joined to, but that's it.. |
| 05:09.39 | mattr | i think there's one under development, but i don't know if it's actually been released yet |
| 05:09.43 | Dhraakellian | Kr0nd0r: yes, this is the tech support and misc KDE discussion channel |
| 05:09.45 | mattr | you might try searching on kde-look.org |
| 05:09.50 | mattr | err, kde-apps.org |
| 05:09.53 | mattr | not kde-look.org |
| 05:09.53 | Dhraakellian | #kde-devel is the developer chan |
| 05:10.03 | Kr0nd0r | mattr: checking now thanks :) |
| 05:13.41 | Kr0nd0r | hmm looks like Kifi and Kwirelessmonitor may fit the bill.. thanks :) |
| 05:15.49 | aseigo | Kr0nd0r: the devel channel is #kde-devel.. this is the users channel =) |
| 05:15.59 | aseigo | well, users and developers (because they're users too(tm)) |
| 05:16.52 | Dhraakellian | "Hi, I'm aseigo, and I'm... I'm a user." |
| 05:16.52 | Dhraakellian | "Hi, aseigo!" |
| 05:17.07 | aseigo | =) |
| 05:17.43 | aseigo | "I've been using KDE for 6 years..." |
| 05:17.55 | aseigo | (quiet mumblings and nods ...) |
| 05:18.07 | aseigo | "I .. .I use it every day. and i can't get enough of it" |
| 05:18.11 | mattr | heh |
| 05:18.39 | Dhraakellian | hehhehheh |
| 05:19.46 | Kr0nd0r | is it possible for me to use the wifi section of the control center to setup profiles or something so it first tries to connect to a network I specify and if it fails then auto tries for any other open network? |
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| 05:23.02 | jorgp | the way for various files? am I using a wrong cvs flag? |
| 05:23.39 | jorgp | C kresources/groupdav/groupdavcalendaradaptor.h |
| 05:23.39 | jorgp | cvs update: move away `kresources/groupdav/groupdavglobals.cpp'; it is in the way |
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| 05:32.41 | Borg^Queen | Hello humans |
| 05:32.51 | Renze | 'lo borgy |
| 05:33.17 | Borg^Queen | Hey Renze |
| 05:33.57 | Borg^Queen | What's the skinny? |
| 05:34.08 | aseigo | jorgp: delete that file and try again |
| 05:34.12 | Borg^Queen | Oh yes, and hello to "others" |
| 05:34.17 | Renze | Calista Flockhart is kinda skinny |
| 05:34.18 | straw | not much, Borg^Queen. you? |
| 05:34.26 | mattr | Renze: you're just noticing? ;) |
| 05:34.33 | Dhraakellian | Hey! What's brown and sticky? |
| 05:34.34 | Borg^Queen | Well off to bed soon |
| 05:34.34 | Renze | mattr: not at all :) |
| 05:39.49 | Borg^Queen | Well wanted say hello and good night. |
| 05:39.55 | Borg^Queen | HEY |
| 05:40.06 | Borg^Queen | Get your hands off my shiney metal ass |
| 05:40.10 | mattr | lol |
| 05:40.13 | Renze | 'twas a goodnight goose :) |
| 05:40.13 | aseigo | Borg^Queen: g'nite =) |
| 05:40.26 | Borg^Queen | Oh ha Renze |
| 05:40.31 | Borg^Queen | Night aseigo |
| 05:40.50 | Borg^Queen | If Flendor should turn up, ask him how his grandmother is doing. She was in the hospital. |
| 05:42.15 | Borg^Queen | Right, I'm off (literaly) |
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| 06:20.11 | kendrick | re |
| 06:20.55 | Renze | ..nze :) |
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| 06:48.22 | h | hey eeverybody |
| 06:49.54 | h | is there a way to get the stop, back, forward, refresh buttons toolbar to be on the same level as the address toolbar? |
| 06:50.13 | h | similar to the way firefox is configured? |
| 06:52.37 | h | and similar to the way k-meleon is set up as well |
| 06:53.22 | aseigo | h: settings -> configure toolbars =) |
| 06:54.20 | h | i'm there, but i can't figure it out |
| 06:54.59 | aseigo | you want to take the location bar items off of the Location Toolbar, then add them to the Main Toolbar |
| 06:55.17 | h | alright |
| 06:55.21 | h | thank you |
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| 07:19.19 | h | later |
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| 08:22.07 | octan | does anyone got a "creative zen touch" mp3 player? working under linux?? |
| 08:22.19 | octan | its a hard drive based mp3 player.. 20 Gb.. usb v2,, how i i mount it as a mass storage?? mount /dev/sda? /mnt/mp3player |
| 08:26.05 | Renze | octan: send me one and I'll sort it out for you :) |
| 08:26.15 | octan | lol :) |
| 08:26.31 | Renze | can't blame a guy for trying :) |
| 08:26.43 | octan | no,, it's worth a shot ;P |
| 08:27.17 | Renze | but if I had to guess, not knowing what other scsi devices you might have, or what kernel version... sda1 might work |
| 08:27.30 | octan | anyway.. i googles and fount out that i can use gnomad 2,6,2 for it,, |
| 08:27.54 | octan | but i get errors compiling it |
| 08:28.01 | octan | ukebox.c:1890: error: `njb_playlist_track_t' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 08:28.01 | octan | jukebox.c:1890: error: `track' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 08:28.01 | octan | make[1]: *** [jukebox.o] Error 1 |
| 08:28.01 | octan | make[1]: Leaving directory `/Backup/Tar-Gz/gnomad2-2.6.2/src' |
| 08:28.01 | octan | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 08:28.09 | octan | +++ more errors above |
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| 08:28.25 | Renze | the first error is the important one, not the last :) |
| 08:28.48 | octan | jukebox.c:112: error: structure has no member named `njbid' |
| 08:28.52 | octan | 1 one |
| 08:29.27 | Renze | can't help with that one... |
| 08:29.33 | Renze | it's not a KDE app :) |
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| 08:29.50 | octan | i know.. ;( do kde have a simelar app |
| 08:30.20 | Renze | having no idea what gnomad actually is, I can't answer that :) |
| 08:30.37 | Renze | but it should be simple enough to just mount it as mass storage and copy files to it |
| 08:30.57 | octan | i use k.2.6.9 |
| 08:31.03 | Renze | I'm guessing, of course, as I do not yet own a hd based mp3 player :) |
| 08:31.23 | octan | do you think it sda1 ? |
| 08:31.32 | octan | i shall mount it as |
| 08:31.34 | Renze | it'll either be sda1 (assuming it's the first "scsi" device) or uba1 |
| 08:31.38 | octan | err dev |
| 08:32.22 | octan | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 08:32.28 | Renze | just try it and see if it works... you'll know when it does, because it won't complain :) |
| 08:32.35 | octan | i dont know what filesystem it uses |
| 08:32.42 | Renze | I'm guessing vfat |
| 08:33.17 | sredna | Hi * |
| 08:33.21 | octan | hi |
| 08:33.24 | Renze | hola anders |
| 08:33.37 | octan | sda1 doe not exsists |
| 08:33.45 | octan | same with uba1 |
| 08:34.13 | Renze | octan: try "modprobe usb-storage" as root |
| 08:34.19 | sredna | What is your device octan ? |
| 08:34.19 | Frost^ | I noticed that with konqueror 3.4b1 I get a lot of pages to time out when I first try to access them. when I refresh it's all good. is that a bug or something which makes pages time out faster than ususal? |
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| 08:34.42 | octan | sredna a creative zen touch |
| 08:34.54 | octan | hd based 20 gb mp3 player |
| 08:35.14 | sredna | Connected via usb? |
| 08:35.19 | octan | yepp |
| 08:35.39 | sredna | And you are using kernel 2.6.9 and udev? |
| 08:35.47 | Renze | and hotplug? |
| 08:36.00 | octan | dont get so tekincal now ;P |
| 08:36.05 | octan | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.13 | octan | hotplug yea |
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| 08:36.19 | octan | udev i dont know |
| 08:36.19 | Renze | octan: did you try modprobe usb-storage? |
| 08:36.24 | octan | yepp |
| 08:36.26 | octan | error' |
| 08:36.32 | Renze | what error |
| 08:36.38 | octan | modprobe usb-storage |
| 08:36.38 | octan | WARNING: Error inserting scsi_mod (/lib/modules/2.6.9/kernel/drivers/scsi/scsi_mod.ko): Invalid module format |
| 08:36.38 | octan | WARNING: Error inserting usbcore (/lib/modules/2.6.9/kernel/drivers/usb/core/usbcore.ko):Invalid module format |
| 08:36.38 | octan | root@octan:/Backup/Tar-Gz/gnomad2-2.6.2# |
| 08:37.02 | Renze | looks like you have some messed up modules |
| 08:37.20 | octan | dont sai that word ;C |
| 08:37.27 | octan | messed up ;C |
| 08:37.33 | sredna | Hm, food |
| 08:39.07 | Renze | octan: did you build your own kernel, or is this from a binary package? |
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| 08:40.02 | octan | build my own.. im thinking of that,, maybe i didnt add usb support since i didnt have any usb devices at the time i compiled it |
| 08:40.21 | Renze | might pay to check |
| 08:40.39 | octan | yea.. |
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| 08:42.16 | octan | hmm yea i did add support for it |
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| 08:42.33 | octan | Renze look at this,, i did a lsusb |
| 08:42.37 | Renze | octan: and the scsi stuff it needs? |
| 08:42.41 | octan | sh: line 1: lsusb: command not found |
| 08:42.50 | octan | root@octan:/usr/src/linux-2.6.9# lsusb |
| 08:42.50 | octan | Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 08:42.50 | octan | Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 08:42.50 | octan | Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 08:42.50 | octan | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 041e:411b Creative Technology, Ltd |
| 08:42.51 | octan | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 08:43.03 | Renze | so it sees it |
| 08:43.37 | octan | looks like that yea |
| 08:44.11 | octan | what scsi stuff do i need? |
| 08:44.25 | Renze | hang on... |
| 08:44.50 | Renze | I have a 2.6.10 kernel, but it should be the same |
| 08:45.17 | octan | yea.. just minor changes |
| 08:45.41 | octan | i got scsi support too.. |
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| 08:45.59 | Renze | i have SCSI disk support and SCSI generic support as modules |
| 08:46.09 | octan | same here |
| 08:46.35 | Renze | you might just need to run make && make modules_install again |
| 08:47.02 | Renze | they might have gotten corrupted somewhere along the way |
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| 09:22.16 | Kuwanger | Another possibly stupid question, but does anyone here know the name of the 16x16 image display on a timeout? I'm trying to locate the reason why said image is displayed if an image isn't d/led by 60seconds after the initial command to d/l the image is made. |
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| 09:39.43 | Winblowz | no one about then |
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| 09:41.26 | sredna | Sure, Winblowz |
| 09:42.40 | Winblowz | just wondering |
| 09:42.49 | Winblowz | how i can make my kde desktop different |
| 09:42.58 | Winblowz | if uve ever seen slax |
| 09:43.04 | Winblowz | i really like the colour scheme used |
| 09:43.18 | marjo | what in the ~/.kde or ~/.share has gone rye as one of the users complain that "home" button complains about "kfmclient: ERROR: Couldn't start konqueror from konqueror.desktop: could not find service 'konqueror.desktop'."? |
| 09:43.24 | Winblowz | and i want to make one the same |
| 09:43.46 | Renze | Winblowz: why not just use the one on the slax disc? |
| 09:44.56 | Winblowz | cause i dont use slax |
| 09:45.06 | Winblowz | and im still very new to linux |
| 09:45.06 | Renze | so? just steal the colour scheme file |
| 09:45.14 | Winblowz | how can i do that |
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| 09:45.31 | Winblowz | <-noob to linux |
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| 09:46.21 | Winblowz | its got a funky taskbar too |
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| 09:46.38 | Winblowz | i assume thats part of the colour scheme |
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| 09:46.48 | c-101 | Hi |
| 09:47.02 | Winblowz | hi |
| 09:47.03 | Renze | Winblowz: no, it'll be in the setup... all of which can be done on any distro |
| 09:47.25 | Renze | Winblowz: have a browse through the KDE Control Center to start with |
| 09:47.33 | Winblowz | k |
| 09:47.46 | Winblowz | setup ? |
| 09:47.52 | Renze | Winblowz: you might like Appearance & Themes -> Colors |
| 09:48.12 | Winblowz | someone was showing me about compiling a new kernel |
| 09:48.27 | Winblowz | think i got that part faily understood |
| 09:48.44 | Renze | configuring KDE is easier than compiling a kernel |
| 09:50.59 | slayerbob | it is ? |
| 09:51.13 | Winblowz | ill have a play around |
| 09:51.17 | Renze | slayerbob: it is |
| 09:51.23 | Winblowz | i forgot how to get into the kernel now |
| 09:51.24 | slayerbob | Renze: hmmm |
| 09:51.28 | marjo | what in the ~/.kde or ~/.share has gone bad as "home" button complains about "kfmclient: ERROR: Couldn't start konqueror from konqueror.desktop: could not find service 'konqueror.desktop'." (can't find differences between user's .kde or .share dirs/files...)? |
| 09:51.31 | Winblowz | the person who showed me |
| 09:51.33 | slayerbob | i have always found kernel compilation particularly easy |
| 09:51.40 | Winblowz | did it all in the root shell |
| 09:51.42 | slayerbob | type in the commands, wait for it to finish... |
| 09:51.48 | Winblowz | and ive forgotten all the cmds |
| 09:52.02 | Winblowz | i know its /usr/src |
| 09:52.06 | Renze | you can only build kernels as root |
| 09:52.06 | Winblowz | thats bout it though |
| 09:52.08 | slayerbob | configuring a kernel prior to compilation is of course a different matter :) |
| 09:52.17 | slayerbob | Renze: nonsense |
| 09:52.27 | slayerbob | it is recommended by linus that you not build them as root |
| 09:52.30 | Renze | slayerbob: I count the configuration as part of the build |
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| 09:52.32 | sredna | Winblowz: There are plenty of nice instructions for compiling your linux kernel on the internet |
| 09:52.58 | Winblowz | still cant use my modem yet though |
| 09:53.02 | Winblowz | not until i buy a new one |
| 09:53.23 | Winblowz | i dont think it works |
| 09:56.11 | Renze | slayerbob: you mean you change the ownership of /usr/src/linux before you build a kernel? |
| 09:56.32 | slayerbob | Renze: i do not build kernels in /usr/src as per linus' instructions |
| 09:57.02 | Renze | slayerbob: care to point me to these instructions? |
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| 09:59.22 | sarah03 | Mm. "Installing the kernel", first bullet-point - "Do NOT use the /usr/src/linux area! This area has a (usually incomplete) set of kernel headers that are used by the library header files. They should match the library, and not get messed up by whatever the kernel-du-jour happens to be." |
| 09:59.56 | sarah03 | [Granted, I've never followed that particular instruction.] |
| 10:00.51 | Renze | ah, sorry, it's halfway down |
| 10:01.44 | Renze | I just find it easier to keep everything in one place |
| 10:02.10 | slayerbob | lol |
| 10:02.12 | slayerbob | so do i |
| 10:02.17 | slayerbob | it is called my home directory :) |
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| 10:02.44 | Renze | of course /usr/src/linux is a symlink to whichever kernel I happen to be running |
| 10:02.53 | sarah03 | The kernel is the only thing I've got currently residing in /usr/src. My home directory is cluttered all to hell. |
| 10:03.02 | Renze | same here |
| 10:08.23 | Kuwanger | Well, I've tracked down the area where the problem might be, but I see only one thing timer related that'd give me any clue why it's a problem. :/ |
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| 10:14.43 | canllaith | Beineri: hey there :) |
| 10:15.17 | canllaith | How are you? |
| 10:15.25 | Beineri | stressed? ;-) |
| 10:15.33 | canllaith | This seems like your normal state! :P |
| 10:15.45 | Beineri | it will be better in one, two days |
| 10:15.49 | canllaith | Yeah :) |
| 10:17.02 | sarah03 | Hm. It would appear that the top of my monitor isn't a good place for chocolate. |
| 10:17.12 | canllaith | So for what reason are you graceing us with your presence tonight? ;) |
| 10:17.21 | Renze | sarah03: melty? |
| 10:17.39 | slayerbob | LOL sarah03 |
| 10:17.45 | Beineri | canllaith: me? |
| 10:17.52 | canllaith | Beineri: yes, you :) |
| 10:18.13 | sarah03 | Renze: Not melty, just soft. |
| 10:18.14 | Beineri | canllaith: need distraction from boring wait on compilers, greps, ... |
| 10:18.19 | sarah03 | *really* soft. |
| 10:18.28 | Renze | sarah03: leave it for a bit longer :) |
| 10:19.14 | sarah03 | Nah, I want to actually be able to eat my chocolate... if I wanted to drink chocolate, I could have done that earlier. |
| 10:19.21 | Renze | heh |
| 10:19.24 | canllaith | Beineri: heh you poor dear. |
| 10:19.28 | Renze | nothing wrong with drinking chocolate :) |
| 10:19.43 | canllaith | I am waiting for just kdepim to build and that alone feels like an eternitiy |
| 10:27.22 | sredna | Beineri: Did all your issues with akte go away? |
| 10:27.26 | Kuwanger | Ah..it's the site that's giving up. :/ |
| 10:27.31 | sredna | Kate |
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| 10:29.42 | Beineri | sredna: the Document List Settings dialog one seems to be still there |
| 10:30.42 | sredna | Beineri: If you disable the shading and press apply or OK, the shading is still there? |
| 10:31.09 | Beineri | sredna: when shading is disabled and you enter the dialog the lower widgets are not disabled |
| 10:31.35 | sredna | Beineri: Aaah... that slipped me |
| 10:31.51 | sredna | The enabling horror.. I'll fix that |
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| 10:32.42 | canllaith | yay kdepim is done finally |
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| 10:34.13 | sredna | Beineri: That is the sort of issue I don't catch, like when we get bug reports that 'copy' should be disabled when there is no selection. |
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| 11:00.25 | mustasj | Any other cool styles for a plastik fan? |
| 11:00.38 | mustasj | suggestions, I know about kde-look.org ,) |
| 11:03.37 | Skiver | lipstick |
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| 11:11.40 | AchiestDragon | having problems compileing kdebase from cvs |
| 11:11.48 | Beineri | AchiestDragon: kicker? |
| 11:12.08 | AchiestDragon | favicons.cpp:269: error: visibility arg must be one of "default", "hidden", |
| 11:12.55 | AchiestDragon | "protected" or "internal" |
| 11:12.55 | mustasj | Skiver: I like it, thanks |
| 11:13.17 | Beineri | AchiestDragon: too old kdelibs |
| 11:13.22 | Skiver | no problem |
| 11:13.41 | AchiestDragon | did kdelibs |
| 11:13.57 | AchiestDragon | from cvs last night |
| 11:14.08 | AchiestDragon | and arts |
| 11:14.24 | Beineri | AchiestDragon: btw, which favicons.cpp - there are at least two :-) |
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| 11:15.59 | AchiestDragon | http://rafb.net/paste/results/yNTXp817.html |
| 11:17.20 | Beineri | AchiestDragon: /opt/kde3 contains your "last night kdelibs"? |
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| 11:18.28 | willwork4foo | morning/afternoon/evening. |
| 11:18.28 | AchiestDragon | no /usr/local/kde |
| 11:18.43 | Renze | willwork4foo: I pity da foo you work for :) |
| 11:18.45 | Beineri | AchiestDragon: then fix your paths/prefix |
| 11:19.08 | AchiestDragon | but i set $KDEDIRS |
| 11:19.34 | willwork4foo | Renze: because I've never ever heard that one before. |
| 11:19.38 | willwork4foo | honest, I haven't. |
| 11:19.40 | willwork4foo | really. |
| 11:19.54 | Renze | willwork4foo: I guessed as much, but it was worth one more shot :) |
| 11:20.04 | willwork4foo | you is a dayam foo. |
| 11:20.23 | Renze | yessuh |
| 11:20.43 | willwork4foo | there is a Sun course I want to do. SA-225-S10. |
| 11:20.49 | slayerbob | so do it |
| 11:20.57 | willwork4foo | sadly, it costs a lot of money. and my boss won't send me on it. |
| 11:21.02 | willwork4foo | £1,830. |
| 11:21.25 | PhilRod | AchiestDragon: you possibly have /opt/kde3/bin in your $PATH. You should remove it |
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| 11:21.30 | AchiestDragon | ok |
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| 11:24.47 | slayerbob | willwork4foo: blackmail is your friend :) |
| 11:24.56 | slayerbob | bietch! :P |
| 11:25.03 | bietch | erks! |
| 11:25.09 | bietch | uncle bob!!..how ya doing ? |
| 11:25.17 | slayerbob | lol |
| 11:25.21 | willwork4foo | slayerbob: nooooo. I am an intern. I need a decent reference from my boss. |
| 11:25.23 | slayerbob | still alive :P |
| 11:25.27 | willwork4foo | ergo I cannot blackmail him. |
| 11:25.32 | bietch | slayerbob: where is your lover ? |
| 11:25.43 | willwork4foo | plus - he is in Colorado USA, I am in UK. and I have nothing to blackmail him with |
| 11:25.45 | slayerbob | willwork4foo: you could blackmail him for the good reference as well :) |
| 11:26.06 | Renze | long-distance internship |
| 11:26.21 | bietch | huh Renze |
| 11:26.24 | Renze | hiya anis busuk :) |
| 11:26.39 | bietch | arr..u start calling me busuk..just canllaith busuk..mine are not! |
| 11:26.53 | Renze | anis busuuuuk |
| 11:26.58 | slayerbob | busuk ? |
| 11:27.14 | slayerbob | and various math dialects |
| 11:27.38 | AchiestDragon | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.38 | Skiver | smelly it means |
| 11:27.47 | bietch | arr Skiver ! |
| 11:27.50 | bietch | L(\\:) |
| 11:27.55 | slayerbob | ah i see |
| 11:28.12 | slayerbob | you abusing my canllaith bietch ? |
| 11:28.18 | slayerbob | >.< |
| 11:28.19 | Skiver | hi bietch, m'sian ? |
| 11:28.24 | slayerbob | :P |
| 11:28.30 | bietch | huhh! |
| 11:28.36 | bietch | slayerbob: nope i dont |
| 11:28.40 | slayerbob | :P |
| 11:28.42 | bietch | Skiver: sighs..i am anis lol! |
| 11:29.37 | Skiver | ahh..hey u ! |
| 11:29.56 | slayerbob | lol Renze |
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| 11:34.58 | bietch | hahaa |
| 11:35.03 | bietch | Renze: no no..u are not! |
| 11:35.15 | Renze | sure I am :) |
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| 11:40.03 | AchiestDragon | what rc file holds the default $PATH ? |
| 11:40.51 | sredna | AchiestDragon: That is system dependant, but I'd say /etc/profile |
| 11:41.05 | AchiestDragon | ty |
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| 11:43.35 | Beineri | AchiestDragon: dunno if "configure" respects KDEDIRS |
| 11:44.40 | AchiestDragon | i set path with export and it works , just setting it so it will be there on next boot |
| 11:45.04 | Skiver | awwwwwwww, damn my housemate |
| 11:45.14 | Beineri | KDEDIR feels like a safer bet for compilation |
| 11:45.38 | Beineri | or --prefix=foo |
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| 11:47.13 | Kuwanger | Sorry. |
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| 11:48.15 | Skiver | winter whites is the dumbest hamster in this world |
| 11:50.33 | sredna | I set KDEDIR solely for convenience running configure scripts in kde apps |
| 11:53.42 | PhilRod | AchiestDragon: 'set | grep /opt/kde3' might also be another way to check that there are no other envars pointing to /opt/kde3 |
| 11:54.25 | AchiestDragon | its ok , sorted it out now |
| 11:54.35 | AchiestDragon | but thanks :) |
| 11:55.31 | Renze | heavy petting? |
| 11:56.32 | PhilRod | perhaps I'll stick to light petting - this *is* a family channel after all :-) |
| 11:56.45 | Renze | glad to hear it :) |
| 11:56.54 | snugglemonkey | what's the command to killall by a certain user? I was looking through and there's kde programs still running from a dead user. |
| 11:57.59 | sarah03 | pkill -u [name] |
| 11:57.59 | Renze | pkill? |
| 11:58.19 | snugglemonkey | cool.... |
| 11:58.55 | PhilRod | ooh, I didn't know about pgrep and pkill. Useful-looking stuff |
| 12:01.26 | lauri_ | there there |
| 12:01.44 | chowells | heh |
| 12:01.49 | Renze | that's a big job :) |
| 12:02.04 | slayerbob | it would also spoil unix |
| 12:02.11 | lauri_ | most of them are entirely intuitive and logical |
| 12:02.23 | lauri_ | if you're a long haired hippie from berkely at least |
| 12:02.48 | lauri_ | f'rinstance: cat |
| 12:03.26 | Renze | chowells: throw them at the wall... anything that doesn't stick is fine :) |
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| 12:03.45 | chowells | Renze: haha |
| 12:04.21 | Renze | grok? I use that fairly often :) |
| 12:04.35 | PhilRod | is there a word in standard English that means the same as 'grok'? |
| 12:04.38 | Renze | had lecturers at uni that used "grok" |
| 12:04.52 | Renze | grok == to understand completely |
| 12:04.58 | slayerbob | i think the whole point of "grok" is that there is no work in english |
| 12:05.05 | slayerbob | grok == to drink |
| 12:05.07 | lauri_ | no, that's why heinlein invented it :) |
| 12:05.09 | slayerbob | iirc |
| 12:05.15 | slayerbob | yup :) |
| 12:05.26 | lauri_ | "To understand profoundly" |
| 12:05.33 | slayerbob | more or less |
| 12:05.35 | Renze | that's the one |
| 12:05.41 | lauri_ | and literally martian for drink |
| 12:05.51 | slayerbob | argh |
| 12:05.57 | PhilRod | oh dear, I'm going to start showing my complete ignorance of sci-fi very soon |
| 12:05.59 | slayerbob | how is it that we have all read ancient scifi ? |
| 12:06.04 | slayerbob | lol PhilRod |
| 12:06.06 | lauri_ | and in the emphatic form, "to grok in fullness" |
| 12:06.13 | Renze | I remember reading heinlein at school |
| 12:06.16 | sredna | Beineri: Why did you remove the elipsis in 'View Difference...'? It does eventually lead to a new window |
| 12:06.18 | kapishonas | does anyone know how i could make win98 bootable floppy disc? |
| 12:06.23 | lauri_ | slayerbob: I once accidentally found myself in an email conversation with heinlein's wife |
| 12:06.30 | slayerbob | lol |
| 12:06.35 | Renze | kapishonas: asking in the wrong place, man |
| 12:06.36 | lauri_ | and had to fess up I'd read like one of his stories, when i was about 9 |
| 12:06.37 | slayerbob | accidentally ? |
| 12:06.45 | slayerbob | kapishonas: lots of people :) |
| 12:06.46 | lauri_ | heh, yes, entirely accidentally :) |
| 12:06.48 | Beineri | sredna: leading to a new window is not a criteria |
| 12:06.48 | kapishonas | well nobody's answering |
| 12:06.59 | sredna | Beineri: What is then? |
| 12:07.02 | PhilRod | kapishonas: waaaay off topic, but there's an option in the 'format floppy' dialog to "copy system files" |
| 12:07.13 | slayerbob | kapishonas: this channel is not #win98 |
| 12:07.14 | sarah03 | kapishonas: Download an image of one from somewhere. dd if=win98.img of=/dev/fd0. |
| 12:07.15 | Beineri | sredna: Requiring further input before the action happens |
| 12:07.17 | lauri_ | anyway, she made me a reading list (and who could turn that down) so I actually read most of them not so very long ago for the first time |
| 12:07.31 | slayerbob | lol |
| 12:07.49 | kapishonas | slayerbob, i don't think that ppl from #win98 could say how i can make bootable floppy in LINUX :) |
| 12:07.52 | sredna | Beineri: Thank you. I allways thought it would indicate that one more dialog would show up |
| 12:08.21 | slayerbob | kapishonas: whereas we can all tell you how to make a win98 boot floppy but few of us actually will :) |
| 12:08.21 | kapishonas | sarah03, i'll try. thx |
| 12:08.26 | Beineri | sredna: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/standards/kde/style/menus/index.html |
| 12:08.46 | lauri_ | heh, exactly :) |
| 12:08.48 | slayerbob | olden days ? |
| 12:08.52 | slayerbob | when was that ? :P |
| 12:09.09 | lauri_ | usenet rocks for random celebrity interaction |
| 12:09.13 | slayerbob | on a wyse terminal |
| 12:09.15 | PhilRod | slayerbob: yeah, like five or ten years ago. So long ago |
| 12:09.19 | slayerbob | lol |
| 12:09.32 | slayerbob | i am thinking of 15 years ago i think |
| 12:09.36 | lauri_ | me too |
| 12:09.59 | kapishonas | well PhilRod did but i don't have kde at the moment :) (this option is in kde right?) |
| 12:10.08 | PhilRod | kapishonas: no, in windows |
| 12:10.10 | slayerbob | kapishonas: no he means in windows 98 |
| 12:10.17 | kapishonas | i don't have windows |
| 12:10.20 | slayerbob | lol |
| 12:10.21 | PhilRod | you didn't specify that you wanted to do it in !windows |
| 12:10.29 | slayerbob | then why do you want a win98 boot floppy ? |
| 12:10.36 | lauri_ | although it wasn't so long ago I talked to mrs heinlein (sci-fi people are big on usenet though, it was pretty cool to be able to post questions to people like Joe straczynski whlie watching a Babylon 5 episode, about a plot point, and get an answer back before the episode's over) |
| 12:10.38 | kapishonas | to install win98 :) |
| 12:11.00 | slayerbob | if not in windows, do what sarah03 said :) |
| 12:11.12 | kapishonas | ;d |
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| 12:11.17 | lauri_ | many many sci-fi authors actively posting, lots of TV writers too |
| 12:11.26 | slayerbob | heh |
| 12:11.41 | lauri_ | if Renze remembers that, he must remember when all the internet traffic used to go out via the edu link up to waikato university |
| 12:11.42 | slayerbob | i have never frequented those groups :P |
| 12:11.46 | sarah03 | Replace 'win98.img' with the name of the file you downloaded, of course. |
| 12:11.49 | ZeeGeek | i got problem shutting down kde's screensaver |
| 12:11.52 | Renze | lauri_: yup :) |
| 12:11.54 | sredna | Beineri: Well, I'm greatfull that somone is haunting down all my linguistic errors and style violations. I try to get better at it, but it seems I don't, judging from the number of corrections :( |
| 12:12.06 | slayerbob | i remember paying $10 per MB for international traffic through waikato |
| 12:12.09 | lauri_ | slayerbob: oh well, I have met a few porn stars on usenet too, oddly enough (one of them in person even :) |
| 12:12.14 | PhilRod | ZeeGeek: what's the problem exactly? |
| 12:12.15 | ZeeGeek | I've shut it down but it's still blanking the screen |
| 12:12.18 | lauri_ | Renze: and the BOFH himself was the boss of it :) |
| 12:12.24 | slayerbob | heh |
| 12:12.29 | Renze | lauri_: I found that out later :) |
| 12:12.32 | slayerbob | well... boss might be overstating things a little :P |
| 12:12.58 | lauri_ | me too (I knew his name, I didn't realise until many years later that the bofh had the same name, and thought "oh how curious, and that's not a very common name.." |
| 12:13.00 | slayerbob | although it does explain where the $10 per MB fee originated :) |
| 12:13.02 | lauri_ | dense, me |
| 12:13.08 | slayerbob | lol |
| 12:13.31 | ZeeGeek | PhilRod: actually, I've set a shortcut to poweroff the screen by "xset -dpms" |
| 12:13.35 | slayerbob | it is in some of the early bofhs :) |
| 12:13.43 | slayerbob | oi! |
| 12:13.48 | slayerbob | liquor man |
| 12:13.53 | slayerbob | pipes indeed |
| 12:14.02 | slayerbob | heh |
| 12:14.06 | Renze | young whippersnapper |
| 12:14.14 | kapishonas | erm. i have all system files needed (some1 made a win98 bootable floppy and put it to ftp), maybe somehow i can make that win98.img myself? ;d |
| 12:14.31 | lauri_ | well, where I came across him, he was the go to guy for getting uplink to the proxies at the time, and since we were paying per kb for data traffic, and going overseas was enormously expensive... yeah, that's exactly where it came from :) |
| 12:14.45 | ZeeGeek | PhilRod: sorry, it's "xset +dpms". when I typed "xset -dpms", it should be kept on, but it starts to blank |
| 12:14.58 | lauri_ | interestingly, that's where cachine proxies were not precisely invented, but certainly saw most of their early development |
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| 12:15.08 | slayerbob | heh |
| 12:15.10 | lauri_ | cheaper pr0n websites for early adopter kiwi surfers |
| 12:15.17 | cirkit | what is the destination directory for the KDE icons???? |
| 12:15.18 | PhilRod | ZeeGeek: doesn't really sound like a KDE problem - what happens if you do it in a different window manager? |
| 12:15.23 | sarah03 | kapishonas: If it's an actual floppy disk image, you just dump it to the disk. If not, find another. |
| 12:15.25 | cirkit | the pixmaps |
| 12:15.28 | PhilRod | cirkit: KDEDIR/share/icons I think |
| 12:15.38 | ZeeGeek | PhilRod: in xfce there's no prob |
| 12:15.52 | PhilRod | lunchtime |
| 12:16.18 | cirkit | hmm not there |
| 12:16.28 | ZeeGeek | PhilRod: actually, is there a command line to shutdown the screensaver or to show the state? |
| 12:16.45 | slayerbob | killall -9 xscreensaver :) |
| 12:16.46 | Renze | cirkit: you mean where they're installed through kde control center? |
| 12:17.18 | ZeeGeek | slayerbob: I don't use xscreensaver, I mean the one kde comes with |
| 12:17.50 | slayerbob | kde has its own screensaver ? :| |
| 12:18.09 | ZeeGeek | slayerbob: then what's that in the control center? |
| 12:18.57 | sredna | Lauri_, Beineri, canllaith: Can I use the word 'unhandeled' in the sense 'not taken care of yet'? |
| 12:19.16 | Beineri | unhandled, think so |
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| 12:19.22 | sredna | Thank you |
| 12:19.28 | snugglemonkey | sredna: undone might be better. :) |
| 12:19.42 | lauri_ | yes, but you might spell it right (unimplemented maybe?) |
| 12:19.50 | sredna | "Removes the modifed flag from the selected documents. Closes the dialog " |
| 12:19.51 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:19.58 | sredna | The above is the context |
| 12:20.14 | lauri_ | I'd say modified again |
| 12:20.34 | lauri_ | Removes the modified flag from the selected documents, closing the dialog when the operation is complete. |
| 12:20.35 | lauri_ | how's that |
| 12:20.36 | sredna | I didn't get to spellcheck yet |
| 12:20.45 | sredna | That is fine |
| 12:21.01 | sredna | Ah, and maybe not |
| 12:21.36 | sredna | It's a list, and you can select one of 3 actions to apply to the selected items |
| 12:21.49 | sredna | So the operation might not complete |
| 12:23.32 | sredna | "Removes the modified flag from the selected documents and closes the dialog " |
| 12:23.32 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.39 | sredna | Is that ok? |
| 12:26.29 | lauri_ | yup |
| 12:26.53 | sredna | Thanks for helping |
| 12:26.56 | bietch | arh..i cant burn cd using k3b |
| 12:27.08 | sredna | Maybe for once it will pass the language controls :o |
| 12:27.09 | bietch | k3b doest not copy multiple track ? |
| 12:27.10 | bietch | sighs |
| 12:27.27 | sredna | bietch: What are you trying to do? |
| 12:27.33 | bietch | copy a cd |
| 12:28.00 | sredna | bietch: A audio cd? |
| 12:28.15 | bietch | movies |
| 12:28.18 | chowells | ZeeGeek: you can do it using dcop i think, try kdcop |
| 12:28.33 | ZeeGeek | chowells: aight |
| 12:28.36 | sredna | bietch: So, a data cd |
| 12:28.55 | sredna | Or a vcd? |
| 12:29.01 | bietch | yes vcd |
| 12:29.14 | bietch | [root@owned cdrom]# ls |
| 12:29.14 | bietch | CDI EXT MPEGAV PICTURES SEGMENT VCD |
| 12:30.03 | sredna | If it is mounted and shows that in a file listing, it would be just one filesystem |
| 12:34.24 | bietch | ah ok |
| 12:34.29 | bietch | forget about it..done! |
| 12:34.30 | bietch | sighs |
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| 12:40.16 | ZeeGeek | chowells: sorry to bother u, i'm in kdesktop->KScreensaverIface, but which value am i lookin' for? |
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| 13:00.21 | PhilRod | my turn to ask a dumb compile-related question: http://rafb.net/paste/results/2xXEoH75.html |
| 13:00.48 | PhilRod | I've used --disable-dnssd, so presumably it wouldn't try to do anything with dnssd |
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| 13:06.52 | sredna | H, how come it I have two apps starting kdesktop doesnt juggle the icons? :P |
| 13:07.57 | sredna | PhilRod: If you have explicitly disabled the feature, then the makefile obviously fails to take advantage of that information |
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| 13:18.08 | flosch | hi |
| 13:18.57 | sredna | Ho |
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| 13:30.57 | sredna | http://83.73.136.202:8002/katemodonhddialog.png |
| 13:31.10 | sredna | The dialog with the whatsthis strings from before |
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| 13:55.13 | jm_ | I forgot to ask - we have a KDE user, who has installed some recent KDE version and is now annoyed by the switch to adjacent desktop whenever mouse cursor approaches screen borders; how to disable this behaviour? |
| 13:56.18 | jm_ | we looked in KDE control center but couldn't find anything about it |
| 13:56.54 | Trevelyan | what version? i've not seen kde do that since 2 |
| 13:57.38 | jm_ | he says that old version didn't do it, but new one does it, I'll ask him after he tries a suggestion by someone from #debian ("Desktop" -> "Window behaviour" -> "Advanced", "Active Desktop Borders") |
| 13:59.54 | Trevelyan | your #debian peep is right, its there, just me getting it wrong. i was thinking you couldn't realy do that any more because it would conflict with multihead systems which is becoming more common |
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| 14:02.24 | lauri_ | it's one of the things ex enlightenment users used to ask for alllllll the time |
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| 14:04.17 | jm_ | ok thanks |
| 14:07.06 | mobtek | hehe I plan to remain an ex-e16 user :P |
| 14:07.06 | Trevelyan | kde's edge virtual desktop aint half as nice as e16 was |
| 14:07.12 | Trevelyan | so i dont ues it |
| 14:07.34 | lauri_ | the one that amuses me is mousewheel on the pager |
| 14:07.45 | mobtek | I use it with komposé |
| 14:07.48 | lauri_ | who on earth uses that |
| 14:07.52 | lauri_ | ok, mobtek does :) |
| 14:08.00 | mobtek | hehe yuppers |
| 14:08.18 | mobtek | mousewheel on thepager is fast and helpful :) |
| 14:08.30 | mobtek | komposé kicks butt too :) |
| 14:08.36 | lauri_ | I like middleclick on the desktop |
| 14:08.59 | lauri_ | I don't have a taskbar, so I now and then lose a window :) |
| 14:09.00 | Trevelyan | i use mouse wheel and pager and desktop. it means i can be lazy and just get pointer in gerneral area |
| 14:09.21 | mobtek | komposé and ctrl-d :P |
| 14:09.48 | Trevelyan | s/l and p/l on p/ |
| 14:10.08 | mobtek | heh nice |
| 14:11.17 | jm_ | what does that do? |
| 14:11.20 | willwork4foo | lauri_: now THAT's classy. |
| 14:11.24 | willwork4foo | I LIKE that!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:11.48 | willwork4foo | single-direction (vertical or horizontal) maximisation. |
| 14:11.55 | jm_ | ohh |
| 14:12.01 | jm_ | reminds me of larswm :) |
| 14:12.33 | Big_Bozz | does anyone know if Umbrello (the wonderful KDE UML modelling tool) will support using Interfaces in sequence diagrams sometime in the near future? or is there a rational why this is not supported? |
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| 14:13.57 | lauri_ | Big_Bozz: I suggest you hunt down jonathan riddell and ask him that very nicely |
| 14:15.27 | Big_Bozz | lauri_: thanks - just trying #umbrello |
| 14:15.35 | Trevelyan | that nice, but does kde do e16's fill remaining unused screen space as opposed to fill screen maximise? |
| 14:16.35 | willwork4foo | I dunno |
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| 14:28.13 | willwork4foo | hiya sredna |
| 14:28.35 | sredna | Hi willwork4foo |
| 14:29.07 | willwork4foo | <-- is studying for "Sun Certified Network Administrator" |
| 14:29.10 | willwork4foo | :S |
| 14:29.18 | willwork4foo | much much brain hurty. |
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| 14:31.42 | sarah03 | willwork4foo: That does sound painful. |
| 14:34.59 | willwork4foo | sarah03: yep. |
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| 14:47.01 | willwork4foo | urrrrrrrrrnnnnnnnnnngh |
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| 14:50.04 | sagge^^ | hmm, I have a problem.. I have enabled tv-out in my xorg-config, and it works fine.. but the windows on the tv doesnt have any windowsborder :/ and kaffeine and such(mplayer to) cant go to fullscreen.. can it be something wrong with kwin? maybe worth to mention, it has worked before, but I can't recall anything i've done that may have screwed something up.. someone got an idea? |
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| 15:03.44 | [Aura]kingwanj | had a job interview yesterday which would have been a comdey writers dream |
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| 15:10.30 | [Aura]kingwanj | \o sredna |
| 15:10.37 | sredna | Hi [Aura]kingwanj |
| 15:10.45 | [Aura]kingwanj | hey there :) |
| 15:11.01 | sredna | Which would have been a comedy writers dream, the job or the interview? |
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| 15:11.15 | [Aura]kingwanj | the interview |
| 15:11.27 | [Aura]kingwanj | it was for an IT assistant is cardiff hospital |
| 15:12.23 | [Aura]kingwanj | the interview went fine but then as you do .. my coat was on the chair and nearly forgot that **MIstake number 1*** and then as i left the one of the guys that were interviewing me , opened the door and i walked out and collided with a guy coming through with a trolley pushing boxes .. -_- |
| 15:13.27 | [Aura]kingwanj | I was saying the F word all day yesterday because of those little mistakes |
| 15:13.36 | sredna | Eew :( |
| 15:13.47 | sredna | !order beer for [Aura]kingwanj |
| 15:14.00 | sredna | ~order beer for [Aura]kingwanj |
| 15:14.03 | sredna | ? |
| 15:14.10 | [Aura]kingwanj | I was cursing ... that guy with the boxes may have lost me that job and the hospital is huge and has a linux server also |
| 15:14.22 | sredna | Too bad |
| 15:15.39 | [Aura]kingwanj | why is it in interviews ppl dont want to know about qualifications , all they want to know is what you have done ? |
| 15:16.35 | [Aura]kingwanj | ive had 10 interviews so far , no one seems to be bothered with papers , only what you have to say . |
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| 15:17.26 | sarah03 | [Aura]kingwanj, Define 'papers' in this case. |
| 15:17.28 | sredna | A deadlock... you need work experience to get work ... that is stupid |
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| 15:18.00 | sredna | Maybe examn certificates? |
| 15:18.12 | sarah03 | sredna: Yup. It is stupid. But that's the way it is. :\ |
| 15:18.16 | sredna | Yea |
| 15:18.41 | sarah03 | I'm thinking "papers" as in "certifications". Which IMHO are just papers that belong in the Round File. |
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| 15:19.41 | sredna | Does anyone in here know how to trick a (kde) dialog with a richtext label to behave well wrt resizing? |
| 15:20.29 | sredna | It seems that a layout with a richtext label in it looses it's abilty to calculate the correct minimumsize :( |
| 15:21.45 | [Aura]kingwanj | of course qualifications but then when i worked before as an IT support engineer , my boss said that people from uni havnt got a clue when it comes to real life work problems |
| 15:22.41 | [Aura]kingwanj | so he doesnt employ them because he said they think they know everything when they dont , he said |
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| 15:23.34 | [Aura]kingwanj | i guess im lucky in a way as ive worked as a schoo IT engineer and done alot , so i can waffle on and on , lol |
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| 15:24.01 | PotajiTo | hi |
| 15:24.05 | PotajiTo | where do i donwload kasbar? |
| 15:24.16 | [Aura]kingwanj | do a google -_- |
| 15:24.32 | sredna | PotajiTo: Kasbar is part of KDE |
| 15:24.47 | [Aura]kingwanj | is it not on google @@ |
| 15:25.02 | PotajiTo | and how do i run it [Aura]kingwanj ¿ |
| 15:25.07 | sredna | PotajiTo: When you add a panel, kasbar is one of the available types |
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| 15:59.20 | sagge^^ | hmm, I have a problem.. I have enabled tv-out in my xorg-config, and it works fine.. but the windows on the tv doesnt have any windowsborder :/ and kaffeine and such(mplayer to) cant go to fullscreen.. can it be something wrong with kwin? maybe worth to mention, it has worked before, but I can't recall anything i've done that may have screwed something up.. someone got an idea? |
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| 16:02.12 | sredna | sagge^^: It could be the output device you set, at least in the case of mplayer |
| 16:04.07 | sagge^^ | sredna: okey.. but NO window has windowborders when they are "started" on the tv-out screen... |
| 16:06.06 | praseodymium | whats a good id3 editor for kde |
| 16:06.15 | praseodymium | for mp3 files u know |
| 16:08.14 | sredna | praseodymium: Juk or amaroK can edit tags internally |
| 16:08.36 | sredna | sagge^^: Sorry, I dont' know why that would happen |
| 16:08.50 | sagge^^ | sredna: okey, thanks anyway :( |
| 16:08.54 | sagge^^ | :) |
| 16:09.07 | sredna | Np, sorry I can't help more |
| 16:09.21 | sagge^^ | it realy beats me :/ |
| 16:10.13 | praseodymium | sredna: but then I need to manually edit every file |
| 16:10.33 | praseodymium | or not |
| 16:10.42 | sredna | I don't know, praseodymium |
| 16:11.33 | praseodymium | ok |
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| 16:12.44 | DeadS0ul | in finally got my motherbaord back =D |
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| 16:13.31 | Julianyus | hi |
| 16:13.35 | DeadS0ul | hello |
| 16:15.02 | sredna | Nothing like a good crash to clean up the memory... |
| 16:15.36 | DeadS0ul | not even a kill `pidof <app name>`? |
| 16:17.29 | sagge^^ | is there some way to bind the vnc-server in kde to a port belov 1024? |
| 16:18.05 | PhilRod | sagge^^: is it running as root? |
| 16:18.35 | sagge^^ | PhilRod: nope.. thats why i wonder if there is some "hack" :p |
| 16:19.06 | sagge^^ | the damn proxy at school only allows outbound connections to port web,ftp ans ssl. |
| 16:19.44 | sarah03 | sagge^^: Add a port redirect via ipchains/iptables/ipf/pf, or add similar via inetd. |
| 16:20.10 | sagge^^ | sarah03: ahh, i'll look into that :) thanks alot |
| 16:21.09 | sagge^^ | or maybe use an other vnc-server? |
| 16:21.37 | sarah03 | That is an option; you can always run Xvnc on a custom port. |
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| 16:22.07 | sagge^^ | yeah, well.. thanks again sarah03 |
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| 16:27.44 | ShereKhan | Does anybody know what kind of compression settings is used on the LAN-preset in the remote desktop connection-viewer used in KDE? I have a FreeBSD-5.3-RELEASE-p5 server with TightVNC installed from ports. When connecting to it from KDE 3.3 with the LAN/high quality setting response is very smooth, but using the VNC-viewer from Windows is always sluggish no matter what kind of compression I use |
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| 16:31.09 | ethicsgradient | hey, I'm trying to get my multimedia keys to work and having some trouble. |
| 16:31.32 | ethicsgradient | at this point the keys aren't generating any output in xev, so I know I have the wrong keyboard model defined, but I can't figure out the right one. |
| 16:32.13 | DeadS0ul | those thigns actually work? |
| 16:32.51 | ethicsgradient | ethicsgradient, for some people, it would seem |
| 16:32.59 | ethicsgradient | seems to be a matter of finding the right xeyboard model |
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| 16:34.58 | Trevelyan | ethicsgradient, wrong model may not be the porblem, to why you dont see them in xev |
| 16:35.15 | Trevelyan | it probably is because the scancode dont have a keycode set |
| 16:35.47 | ethicsgradient | I've read about that too, a bit. Someone said I could see the scancodes on the console or in dmesg, but I haven't been able to get that to work |
| 16:35.53 | Trevelyan | to the a real console (ie atl+ctrl+f1) and press the keys see if the kernel says something (on screen or in dmesg) |
| 16:36.06 | Trevelyan | *go to... |
| 16:36.49 | Trevelyan | it may say it seen an unreciognised scancode and suggect you use setkeycodes to set a keycode for it |
| 16:37.40 | Trevelyan | alternately if its being quite, you can try "showkey" in a real console |
| 16:37.48 | Trevelyan | *quiet |
| 16:38.22 | ethicsgradient | hrm, maybe I don't know how to go to the real console....alt+ctrl+f1 gets me to a console where it looks like I could potentially log in, and I can't seem to get any system messages there |
| 16:39.02 | Trevelyan | thats the one (ie not an X console/term) |
| 16:40.02 | Trevelyan | login run showkey |
| 16:40.08 | sagge^^ | talking about multimedia keys? try this app: mmkcd |
| 16:40.49 | sagge^^ | btw, anyone know why my cpu starts working at 100% when someone connects to the vnc-server in kde? |
| 16:41.02 | Trevelyan | i used xbindkeys to bring my extra keys to life (after i set a keycode for them with setkeycodes) |
| 16:41.28 | ethicsgradient | someone in the debian room also pointed me to lineak |
| 16:42.47 | ethicsgradient | hrm, showkey doesn't respond to thoes keys either |
| 16:43.27 | Trevelyan | they may be acpi or some such |
| 16:43.39 | Trevelyan | did you try lineak? |
| 16:44.43 | Trevelyan | xbindkeys is just a general bind a command to a key (any) i have not heard of lineak but apt says its specifically for mm keys |
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| 16:50.27 | wonko | good morning |
| 16:50.47 | Khaii | hi |
| 16:51.40 | ethicsgradient | I'm messing with lineak right now |
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| 16:51.54 | ethicsgradient | seems it has support for my keyboard, but lineakd gives me xlib errors |
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| 16:53.56 | wonko | i've been looking for a deent rpm builder for KDE, I was using KRPMBuilder, but it has many problems, the most troublesome of which is that it seems to convert everything to lowercase before it tries to process, so if I giv e a title of "wxGTK" K RPMBuilder looks for/uses "wxgtk". I've discovered that Kconfigure works pretty well to create packages using 'checkinstall'. I'm wondering if tehre is another reccomended RPM builder (other than rpmbuild comm |
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| 16:56.21 | PotajiTo | how can i record a video of my desktop? |
| 16:56.54 | sagge^^ | take screenshots at 25fps :) |
| 16:57.03 | mitchenjeep | hi, |
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| 16:57.23 | mitchenjeep | I need to fix kde on mandrake 10.1 official |
| 16:58.14 | mitchenjeep | is it possible ? |
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| 17:15.43 | Flendor | Hello. |
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| 17:28.51 | Coax | does enyone know of a tray inbox monitor? |
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| 17:31.14 | Beineri | Coax: the one of KMail? :-) |
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| 17:42.34 | Coax | Beineri, no... i use mozilla, so i just want to know of a app that is only a tray app |
| 17:42.57 | Beineri | Coax: korn |
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| 17:43.32 | Beineri | Coax: kbiff |
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| 17:50.25 | ethicsgradient | if I want to make kde hotkeys for certain shell commands, how can I do that? |
| 17:53.00 | Beineri | with khotkeys ;-) |
| 17:54.40 | Beineri | honestly, not joking :-) |
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| 18:03.37 | plagerism2 | How do I make a specific application load on startup?? |
| 18:03.50 | plagerism2 | Can I find that in control center?? |
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| 18:03.56 | Flendor | Re. |
| 18:04.16 | Theory | plagerism2: you can add a desktop entry to ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 18:04.43 | plagerism2 | Theory thanks |
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| 18:05.16 | Theory | remember the session manager starts up apps you had running when you logged out anyway |
| 18:05.27 | PhilRod | apt: autostart |
| 18:05.28 | apt | i guess autostart is http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/configure.html question 9.10 |
| 18:05.34 | ethicsgradient | khotkeys? I went into the konsole and looked around at the hotkey stuff, but couldn't figure out how I would run commands with them |
| 18:05.34 | PhilRod | plagerism2: and see that entry ^^^ |
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| 18:08.01 | plagerism2 | :q |
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| 18:13.16 | eidolon | hey folks - KDE 3.3.1 new debian testing install. acpi is active (apt-get install acpi), but i don't see a battery applet in the toolbar. I've gone to kcontrol and 'show batteyr monitor' is enabled. any ideas? |
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| 18:17.55 | Beineri | dumb question :-), does someone know some sites which open onload-Popups? |
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| 18:27.12 | vanRijn | re, all |
| 18:28.09 | vanRijn | where would one go to ask questions about kicker? or, specifically, about systemtray/systemtray2? |
| 18:28.43 | annma | what is systray2? |
| 18:29.05 | vanRijn | it's an alternative to systemtray |
| 18:29.10 | vanRijn | hang on, I'll get the URL |
| 18:29.11 | we2by | systemtray version 2 |
| 18:29.26 | we2by | lised in kde-apps.org |
| 18:29.41 | vanRijn | yeah |
| 18:29.44 | annma | ok so what's your question? |
| 18:31.04 | eidolon | hmm, any ideas on my battery monitor? |
| 18:31.12 | vanRijn | I would LOVE to see some of the features that systemtray2 provides (like customizing the arrow icon, like allowing for priority of icons in it (if I always want the power icon to be the left-most icon), like specifying an animation speed for the collapse/expansion) integrated into systemtray for KDE 3.4 |
| 18:31.50 | vanRijn | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=17732 |
| 18:32.30 | vanRijn | It's some VERY nice features that feel like they're missing from systemtray in 3.4 beta1 |
| 18:34.20 | annma | just use systray2 |
| 18:34.25 | vanRijn | lol |
| 18:34.27 | annma | that's why it's there |
| 18:34.31 | vanRijn | hah |
| 18:34.43 | annma | the hide/show is already implemented |
| 18:34.46 | PhilRod | no new features will get into 3.4, but it could be on the cards for kde 4 |
| 18:34.52 | vanRijn | well, who's the maintainer of system tray? |
| 18:35.01 | annma | see the bugs database |
| 18:35.03 | vanRijn | should I file a WISH bug for this? |
| 18:35.03 | annma | but |
| 18:35.12 | annma | see if it's not already filed |
| 18:35.20 | annma | but is it good for all users? |
| 18:35.21 | vanRijn | yeah, I did |
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| 18:35.42 | vanRijn | you're asking... is allowing for more configurability good for all users? |
| 18:35.44 | annma | kde cannot become bloated with eye candy |
| 18:35.49 | vanRijn | um |
| 18:35.52 | annma | animations for ex |
| 18:36.02 | vanRijn | you mean like the kicker animation when it hides? |
| 18:36.10 | vanRijn | this is no different |
| 18:36.13 | annma | ike specifying an animation speed for the collapse/expansion |
| 18:36.20 | annma | what you said |
| 18:36.22 | eidolon | hm, which is the best tool for KDE toolbar monitoring of wireless? kwavecontrol? kwifimanager? |
| 18:36.46 | annma | vanRijn: you have also to think about not adding too much settings |
| 18:36.51 | vanRijn | annma: mmm. but that's a standard configuration setting that has been in other kde components for quite some time. |
| 18:36.56 | annma | vanRijn: see how KControl is bloated |
| 18:37.09 | annma | customizing the arrow |
| 18:37.18 | PhilRod | wheels wrote a good blog entry about this |
| 18:37.18 | vanRijn | annma: I understand what you're saying, but I disagree with the gnome/dumb-things-down approach quite strongly. |
| 18:37.39 | annma | PhilRod: oh, I am gonna read it |
| 18:37.53 | annma | vanRijn: propose an exact way for doing things then |
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| 18:38.09 | vanRijn | if you want a kcontrol interface that limits the available settings, I'm okay with that, but don't limit the power of the application itself. |
| 18:38.20 | annma | as long as what you want exist, I don't see why it must be in kde official |
| 18:38.57 | vanRijn | just seems kind of silly to have 2 apps that do the same exact thing, but with the second thing (the thing not in kde proper) having a couple of more configuration options.... |
| 18:39.09 | PhilRod | annma, vanRijn: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/692 |
| 18:39.13 | annma | it's not silly, it's choice |
| 18:39.38 | vanRijn | I'm wondering if this author even offered a patch to the systemtray maintainer. |
| 18:39.44 | vanRijn | at any rate, do you guys know who that maintainer is? |
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| 18:39.55 | annma | the freeze is tonight |
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| 18:40.01 | annma | in a few hours, vanRijn |
| 18:40.08 | vanRijn | ahh. heh. well, not 3.4, then, but maybe 4? |
| 18:40.13 | annma | make it a bug wish, nothing more will go to 3.4 |
| 18:40.24 | annma | bug wish will do, 4.0 is in 1 year |
| 18:41.02 | vanRijn | that's fine. I wasn't trying to convince anyone to cram code into a freeze, but was wondering if the maintainer of the system tray even knew that this alteration was available and see what he/she thought of it. |
| 18:41.16 | vanRijn | is kicker | systemtray the right component to put this request into? |
| 18:41.28 | annma | it's not possible to add anything in the code that is not in the feature plan |
| 18:41.32 | annma | yes |
| 18:42.23 | vanRijn | where is the feature plan? |
| 18:43.13 | annma | developer.kde.org |
| 18:43.31 | annma | and read the url PhilRod pasted please |
| 18:44.00 | annma | personnally I would not even have the idea of changing the arrow |
| 18:45.18 | PhilRod | I think the applet handles are too small, and they're a pain to explain in documentation |
| 18:45.35 | PhilRod | but I don't have an alternative suggestion, so I'll shut up |
| 18:46.02 | annma | don't they depend of the style? |
| 18:46.17 | annma | mine are quite easy to spot, 2 rows of dots |
| 18:46.25 | PhilRod | I mean the little arrows on the panel that display a panel menu when you click on them |
| 18:47.41 | annma | hmm, I don't see those |
| 18:47.50 | annma | I have an hide panel arrow |
| 18:48.01 | annma | and hide/expand systray icons |
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| 18:51.33 | PhilRod | http://people.fruitsalad.org/phil/junk/desktop1.png |
| 18:52.13 | vanRijn | er |
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| 19:02.35 | larry_cow | hi there |
| 19:03.15 | annma | PhilRod: ohhh, I never saw them |
| 19:03.26 | annma | besides I use kicker transparent on black |
| 19:03.47 | annma | what's the point of these? |
| 19:04.44 | larry_cow | strange thing: when I launch some kdepim-related apps (namely konversation and kabc) kmail is starting too. is there any reason to that? |
| 19:04.48 | annma | larry_cow: launch from where? |
| 19:05.02 | annma | what about typing: konversation in konsole? |
| 19:05.18 | vanRijn | um |
| 19:05.44 | annma | vanRijn: what's up? |
| 19:05.46 | vanRijn | Scott Wheeler's blog entry wasn't exactly enlightening to my question |
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| 19:06.02 | larry_cow | annma: from K menu |
| 19:06.13 | annma | larry_cow: try from konsole and see what happens |
| 19:06.27 | annma | tell me if kmail also starts |
| 19:06.35 | larry_cow | annma: yes, it does |
| 19:06.40 | annma | larry_cow: lol |
| 19:06.42 | annma | wooow |
| 19:06.44 | larry_cow | when running kaddressbook from konsole, kmail starts |
| 19:06.54 | annma | and konversation? |
| 19:06.57 | larry_cow | (and kaddressbook too, hopefully) |
| 19:07.26 | vanRijn | ahh. asiego |
| 19:07.30 | vanRijn | er |
| 19:07.31 | vanRijn | aseigo |
| 19:07.31 | annma | paste the konsole putput in a pastebin from when you type: konversation |
| 19:07.39 | vanRijn | aseigo: *ping* |
| 19:08.04 | larry_cow | same for konversation |
| 19:08.06 | larry_cow | so strange |
| 19:08.16 | annma | larry_cow: paste the konsole putput in a pastebin from when you type: konversation |
| 19:08.20 | annma | output |
| 19:08.21 | larry_cow | and nothing special on the output |
| 19:08.40 | larry_cow | really nothing |
| 19:08.44 | annma | vanRijn: bug report number/ |
| 19:08.55 | annma | larry_cow: how did you install kde/ |
| 19:08.56 | vanRijn | annma: eh? |
| 19:09.01 | larry_cow | annma: through portage |
| 19:09.03 | annma | your wish number? |
| 19:09.05 | larry_cow | (yeah, gentoo) |
| 19:09.08 | annma | larry_cow: ah, ok |
| 19:09.17 | annma | what kde version? |
| 19:09.21 | larry_cow | actually, it worked all right before |
| 19:09.26 | annma | before what? |
| 19:09.27 | larry_cow | 3.3 |
| 19:09.28 | vanRijn | I wanted to ask aseigo if he even knew about systemtray2 before I went and put a wish bug in. |
| 19:09.33 | larry_cow | some time ago, I mean |
| 19:09.33 | vanRijn | though I suppose it doesn't matter too much... |
| 19:09.37 | annma | of course he knows about it |
| 19:09.46 | larry_cow | I played a bit with kontact's groupware features |
| 19:09.51 | larry_cow | but nothing too advanced |
| 19:10.01 | annma | larry_cow: just try a new user to see what happens |
| 19:10.03 | larry_cow | and I certainly didn't ask for kmail to launch everytime ;) |
| 19:10.06 | larry_cow | good ide |
| 19:10.08 | larry_cow | idea |
| 19:10.26 | PhilRod | annma: clicking on them brings up a menu appropriate to the kicker item in question (move/remove item, panel menu, etc) |
| 19:10.43 | annma | like right-click on the handle, PhilRod |
| 19:11.05 | PhilRod | oh yeah, so it is :-) |
| 19:11.15 | larry_cow | annma: is it ok to launch it on the same X session? |
| 19:11.19 | PhilRod | *I* never noticed *that* :-) |
| 19:11.22 | larry_cow | because it work OK this way |
| 19:11.28 | larry_cow | no kmail |
| 19:11.28 | annma | PhilRod: seriously? |
| 19:11.44 | larry_cow | I wrecked something, cool... |
| 19:12.01 | annma | larry_cow: yeah, dig in .kde and rename some files |
| 19:12.17 | PhilRod | dinnertime |
| 19:12.31 | annma | or back up your whole .kde and restart configuring kde |
| 19:12.42 | annma | bon appétit ! |
| 19:13.15 | larry_cow | one day, I'll store all my config files in a CVS repo |
| 19:13.19 | larry_cow | :> |
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| 19:13.55 | vanRijn | heh. |
| 19:14.01 | vanRijn | that's not a bad idea, really |
| 19:14.07 | vanRijn | I already do. :) |
| 19:14.12 | annma | there's a config backup tool in kdenonbeta |
| 19:14.19 | vanRijn | ~/Backup/home/me/.kde/CVS |
| 19:14.43 | annma | I have at least 8 .kde named .kde.ol, .kde.not.so.old and so on |
| 19:16.28 | vanRijn | lol |
| 19:16.31 | vanRijn | I have 2. :) |
| 19:16.36 | vanRijn | .kde .kde.old |
| 19:16.42 | vanRijn | .kde.old == KDE 3.3.2 |
| 19:18.03 | annma | I test kde from tme to time with a new KDEHOME and a new KDEDIR |
| 19:18.09 | annma | that's why |
| 19:18.46 | vanRijn | yeah, I did that too, but I have cron jobs that put stuff in ~/.kde/share/apps/kpilot/.../install.... |
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| 19:21.28 | vanRijn | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98436 |
| 19:21.33 | vanRijn | there. I filed a wishlist. |
| 19:22.56 | annma | vanRijn: there was none already? |
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| 19:27.10 | vanRijn | annma: I didn't see one. |
| 19:27.28 | annma | hmmm, so that's not very hot |
| 19:27.41 | vanRijn | eh? |
| 19:28.15 | annma | if it was hot there would habe been a wish already |
| 19:28.28 | annma | the hide/show had many many voters |
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| 19:32.31 | sagge^^ | uhmm.. when i create a "link to application" on the desktop, and them click it, it sais that the .desktop file is malformed.. shat can the problem be? |
| 19:33.04 | sagge^^ | what* |
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| 19:40.53 | canllaith | good mornin kde peoples |
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| 19:41.23 | canllaith | heya Renze :) |
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| 19:43.09 | vanRijn | re, canllaith |
| 19:43.24 | IpSwItCh_ | excuse me folks, I have a problem that is really bugging me, I cannot physically move my windows to the top of the screen |
| 19:43.33 | IpSwItCh_ | they snap |
| 19:43.53 | IpSwItCh_ | but there is still a one pixel space between the top of the menubar and the top of the screen |
| 19:44.06 | canllaith | menubar? |
| 19:44.11 | IpSwItCh_ | sorry |
| 19:44.16 | IpSwItCh_ | not menubar |
| 19:44.19 | canllaith | :) k |
| 19:44.22 | IpSwItCh_ | title bar |
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| 19:44.31 | canllaith | what version KDE |
| 19:45.21 | IpSwItCh_ | 3.3.2 level A |
| 19:45.38 | Renze | level A? |
| 19:46.00 | IpSwItCh_ | thats what it says: K Desktop Environment. Release 3.3.2 Level "a" |
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| 19:46.16 | canllaith | what distro? |
| 19:46.21 | IpSwItCh_ | suse 9.1 |
| 19:46.24 | canllaith | that's kinda weird |
| 19:46.26 | canllaith | mmm ok then |
| 19:46.29 | IpSwItCh_ | it's an unofficial build |
| 19:46.34 | IpSwItCh_ | but still... |
| 19:46.37 | vanRijn | when is beta2 targetted for? |
| 19:46.38 | canllaith | well, I know for sure that it works fine here using cvs head. |
| 19:46.44 | IpSwItCh_ | oh :( |
| 19:46.47 | canllaith | vanRijn: pretty soon, we're already in cvs freeze |
| 19:46.52 | IpSwItCh_ | cvs head eh? |
| 19:46.57 | Renze | and I know for sure it works here with 3.3.2 built from source |
| 19:47.06 | vanRijn | sweet mama |
| 19:47.15 | canllaith | IpSwItCh_: you can try as another user just to make sure it is not some strange config issue |
| 19:47.18 | vanRijn | I need a new 2.5" hard drive |
| 19:47.20 | IpSwItCh_ | ok canllaith |
| 19:47.49 | canllaith | and try with defailt windeco borders |
| 19:47.55 | canllaith | :) just to see |
| 19:48.10 | canllaith | gah one handed typing, ignore spelling |
| 19:48.29 | Renze | one handed, eh? :) |
| 19:48.48 | IpSwItCh_ | canllaith, it works with the other user |
| 19:49.03 | IpSwItCh_ | canllaith, not sure what config issue - maybe border size? maybe window decoration ? |
| 19:49.23 | canllaith | IpSwItCh_: not sure, I would change one and see if that helps, then change the other. Try and narrow it down to which exactly it is. |
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| 19:50.43 | IpSwItCh_ | I've discovered what it is |
| 19:50.49 | canllaith | ? |
| 19:50.53 | IpSwItCh_ | it is the Thin Keramik theme |
| 19:51.01 | IpSwItCh_ | it has a bubble in the title bar |
| 19:51.10 | IpSwItCh_ | and that bubble is snapping to the top of the screen |
| 19:51.23 | canllaith | ahhhhhh |
| 19:51.44 | IpSwItCh_ | leaving the remaining (less bubble like) part of the title bar sticking down slightly |
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| 19:52.24 | IpSwItCh_ | canllaith, can you verify that thin keramik does this for you aswell ? |
| 19:52.37 | Renze | that's what thinkeramik is supposed to do |
| 19:53.01 | Renze | you can turn the bubble off or force it to the same size as the rest of the titlebar |
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| 19:54.38 | Renze | a window decoration is always a rectangle, regardless of which parts are transparent |
| 19:55.16 | vanRijn | lol |
| 19:55.24 | vanRijn | I have a funky question |
| 19:55.52 | vanRijn | why would the fonts inside KDE be smaller when started from KDM than they are when starting from GDM or startx? |
| 19:56.13 | vanRijn | and to answer your next question, yes, both kdm and gdm and startx are all using -dpi 75 when starting X |
| 19:56.13 | Renze | different dpi setting for X? |
| 19:56.28 | vanRijn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.30 | IpSwItCh_ | Renze, this one is not a rectangle :) |
| 19:56.33 | vanRijn | that's what it is for the other scenarios too |
| 19:56.35 | IpSwItCh_ | It's got a bubble! |
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| 19:57.04 | null_ | How can I change the theme for QT when I'm using GNOME? Where do I need to copy the themes to? |
| 19:57.04 | Renze | IpSwItCh_: it only looks that way... it's a rectangle with transparent bits around the edges. Trust me :) |
| 19:57.07 | vanRijn | canllaith: you sleep with your laptop? |
| 19:57.22 | IpSwItCh_ | Renze, oh ok. u know ur stuff I guess |
| 19:57.24 | IpSwItCh_ | :) |
| 19:58.31 | vanRijn | aseigo: *ping* |
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| 20:04.04 | Skolem | I'm using the kde package that comes with Debian testing. About 5 minutes ago my load average went up to around 4, and has stayed there. A process called 'kio_file' is taking all my CPU. 'man kiofile' turned up nothing. What is this process and how can I configure it to use less CPU (or not to do anything at all, if what it's doing isn't important?) |
| 20:04.07 | Skolem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:13.16 | PhilRod | Skolem: it's the ioslave which does file access |
| 20:13.49 | PhilRod | try closing as many kde apps as you can. If that doesn't fix it, you can probably safely kill (SIGTERM) the process |
| 20:14.33 | vanRijn | so... |
| 20:14.41 | vanRijn | nobody has any idea on the font size difference thing? |
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| 20:14.51 | Skolem | Thanks for the suggestion. Exiting firefox fixed it! |
| 20:16.01 | teatime | null_: have a look at ~/.qt/qtrc |
| 20:16.45 | teatime | null_: the style plugin needs to be in one of the paths in "libraryPaths" |
| 20:16.51 | vanRijn | I thought there used to be a qconfig or something application that let you specify qt settings? |
| 20:16.59 | teatime | qtconfig, yes |
| 20:17.09 | teatime | not always installed though |
| 20:17.20 | Beineri | canllaith: cvs freeze? you're in the wrong timezone ;-) |
| 20:17.41 | vanRijn | rpm -q --whatprovides `which qtconfig`? |
| 20:19.43 | Skolem | Every so often in KDE, I'll type 'ctrl-d' in an rxvt to exit, and the window will "freeze". Hitting the "x" button won't close it. I'd kill it with kill(1), but I don't know its process id (since I have many rxvt's running). Is there any way to "force kill" a window in KDE, or, short of that, to get the ID of the process running in a window? |
| 20:20.11 | vanRijn | um |
| 20:20.20 | vanRijn | try xkill? |
| 20:20.33 | vanRijn | are you trying to kill the whole window? |
| 20:20.41 | Skolem | Sweet. I wasn't aware of xkill. That worked. Thanks. :-) |
| 20:21.10 | vanRijn | surely. :) |
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| 20:22.08 | PhilRod | Skolem: also, Ctrl+Alt+Esc does the same sort of thing |
| 20:22.23 | PhilRod | in fact, it might just be a shortcut that invokes xkill |
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| 20:24.55 | emiraga | i want to modify kde ex. use fox-filer instead kdesktop etc... where are startup scripts? |
| 20:25.22 | Skolem | Ctrl+Alt+Esc doesn't have any visible effect here. Though Ctrl+Esc works, oddly enough (brings up the Session Mgr) |
| 20:25.22 | PhilRod | emiraga: $KDEDIR/bin/startkde |
| 20:25.50 | PhilRod | well, Ctrl+Alt+Esc is the default - it might be changed on your system |
| 20:26.00 | emiraga | PhilRod: tnx |
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| 20:47.56 | tdi_away | hi all |
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| 20:48.26 | tdi_away | what can be the reason of absence of the Delete option in right click menu i konq in the ftp mode |
| 20:48.27 | tdi_away | ? |
| 20:48.51 | vanRijn | um. it's in the konqueror preferences |
| 20:49.02 | vanRijn | "show delete in menu" or some-such. I think it's in the top level of configuration options |
| 20:49.24 | Beineri | tdi_away: reason? that you're using beta 1 |
| 20:49.42 | tdi_away | yep |
| 20:49.53 | tdi_away | can be that fixed ? |
| 20:50.01 | Beineri | tdi_away: it's fixed in beta 2 |
| 20:50.19 | tdi_away | sic! |
| 20:50.30 | tdi_away | i have t w8 for that to appear in portage |
| 20:50.34 | tdi_away | thank anyway :) |
| 20:50.36 | tdi_away | bye |
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| 20:51.04 | Beineri | vanRijn: don't think that he understood your hint :-| |
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| 20:55.40 | sredna | Re |
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| 20:55.58 | vanRijn | er |
| 20:55.59 | vanRijn | lol |
| 20:56.09 | vanRijn | I thought I spoke clearly enough |
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| 21:11.46 | CarlosAlex | how do I reset taskbar, my one is so strange |
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| 21:12.36 | vanRijn | blargh |
| 21:12.43 | vanRijn | CarlosAlex: what do you mean? |
| 21:13.18 | CarlosAlex | The taskbar is ugly |
| 21:13.26 | CarlosAlex | theres no KDE menu |
| 21:13.26 | vanRijn | if you want to completely start from scratch, just exit out of kde, go to a shell/console, and mv .kde/share/config/kickerrc to .kde/share/config/kickerrc.funky. then the next time you restart kde, you will start with the default taskbar. |
| 21:14.09 | Coax | how can i make the taskbar transparent as my |
| 21:14.14 | sredna | ... or move it and restart kicker |
| 21:14.28 | vanRijn | sredna: I thought kicker would save its settings on exit? |
| 21:14.32 | vanRijn | I'm pretty sure it does |
| 21:14.43 | sredna | Coax: It's in the configuration, in the apperance tab press the advanced button |
| 21:14.52 | Coax | how can i make the taskbar transparent as the rest f my panel? |
| 21:15.19 | sredna | Coax: The taskbar.. you need a replcacment, or patience (lots of that) |
| 21:15.53 | sredna | Coax: There is a taskbar v2 at http://www.kde-apps.org that supports transperancy similar to the panel |
| 21:16.01 | vanRijn | yeah, I was just going to say... |
| 21:16.04 | Coax | sredna, do you know of eny replacements? |
| 21:16.16 | sredna | Coax: Read above :) |
| 21:16.31 | sredna | Coax: Try this in konqueror: 'apps:taskbar' |
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| 22:01.22 | sredna | Why is this place so boring tonight? |
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| 22:01.45 | Renze | tonight? it's 11:01am :) |
| 22:02.01 | sredna | 23:02 u mean, Renze :) |
| 22:02.18 | Renze | no no, it's definitely 11:02am |
| 22:02.21 | sredna | Lol |
| 22:02.22 | Renze | Thu Feb 3 11:02:15 NZDT 2005 |
| 22:02.24 | Renze | see? |
| 22:02.47 | sredna | Why is this place so boring this morning?, then |
| 22:03.02 | Renze | no yowling newbies? |
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| 22:04.01 | sredna | ... or everybody beeing obssively adding new strings, it's 56 mins to the freeze :o |
| 22:04.30 | Renze | heh |
| 22:04.40 | Renze | too warm for a freeze here :) |
| 22:04.57 | bietch | Renze no yowling newbies? <-- calling me de ruiter ? |
| 22:05.04 | lauri_ | I'm quite sure I'm gonna win the "most new strings added on the last day" prize for this release |
| 22:05.11 | sredna | lauri_: I thought your crowd postponed your part? |
| 22:05.11 | bietch | go and take your showered |
| 22:05.18 | Renze | bietch: not specifically :) |
| 22:05.21 | lauri_ | well, sorta |
| 22:05.26 | Renze | I just got out of the shower :P |
| 22:05.43 | bietch | Renze: but why r u still busuk ? |
| 22:05.58 | Renze | I'm not, you're smelling somebody else :) |
| 22:06.14 | bietch | arr |
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| 22:06.55 | praseodymium | how do I put aspell in my path? |
| 22:07.40 | Renze | um, you install it? |
| 22:07.44 | praseodymium | yes |
| 22:07.47 | PhilRod | export PATH=/path/to/aspell:$PATH |
| 22:07.58 | praseodymium | where do I put that? I use gentoo |
| 22:08.13 | Renze | praseodymium: if you have emerged aspell, it's already in your path |
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| 22:08.22 | praseodymium | Renze: it isnt :S |
| 22:08.30 | drzed | hi! |
| 22:08.33 | PhilRod | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.40 | Renze | praseodymium: open a konsole and type "which aspell" |
| 22:08.53 | praseodymium | Renze: /usr/bin/aspell |
| 22:08.59 | Renze | there you go, it's in your path |
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| 22:09.10 | drzed | just a quick question: is the rotation from the context menue (konqueror) lossless? |
| 22:09.14 | praseodymium | Renze: /usr/bin you mean |
| 22:09.25 | Renze | praseodymium: /usr/bin is already in your PATH |
| 22:09.36 | Renze | praseodymium: echo $PATH and see for yourself |
| 22:09.44 | praseodymium | then why does kmail give me this when I try to run the spellcheck: ISpell/Aspell could not be started. Please make sure you have ISpell or Aspell properly configured and in your PATH. |
| 22:10.04 | praseodymium | btw ops, put on topic protection |
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| 22:10.36 | Renze | praseodymium: I have no idea... do you have the "spell" USE flag set? |
| 22:10.42 | *** topic/#kde by praseodymium -> KDE 3.3.2 and 3.4 Beta 1 are out - http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.3.2.php | How to ask smart questions: Â http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/questions.html | Please don't flood the channel, use a pastebin! | Topic protection is handy if you don't want everyone to change the topic! |
| 22:10.45 | praseodymium | Renze: yes |
| 22:11.25 | m1lkc0w | Anyone knows if there is any active development going on for KDE-PIM synchronization? I *really* need to sync my data with a Palm... |
| 22:11.33 | Renze | praseodymium: before or after emerging kde? |
| 22:11.55 | praseodymium | Renze: before probably |
| 22:12.12 | Renze | well, it works in my kmail in gentoo |
| 22:12.18 | praseodymium | :/ |
| 22:12.26 | Renze | so you've missed something |
| 22:12.48 | praseodymium | kopete spellcheck doesnt do much either |
| 22:13.03 | illogic-al | praseodymium: if they did that then we wouldn't be able to change the topic... |
| 22:13.10 | Renze | admittedly I'm using ispell rather than aspell, but it works here |
| 22:13.11 | praseodymium | oh :/ |
| 22:13.26 | praseodymium | oh why do I get aspell then :S which is best |
| 22:13.46 | illogic-al | dunno. i've only got aspell to work. |
| 22:14.00 | praseodymium | :( |
| 22:14.00 | illogic-al | *gotten |
| 22:14.13 | praseodymium | I cant get either working |
| 22:14.23 | praseodymium | although I only tried aspell o_O |
| 22:14.29 | praseodymium | lol |
| 22:14.36 | PhilRod | praseodymium: change the topic back please |
| 22:14.45 | *** topic/#kde by praseodymium -> KDE 3.3.2 and 3.4 Beta 1 are out - http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.3.2.php | How to ask smart questions: Â http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/questions.html | Please don't flood the channel, use a pastebin! |
| 22:14.51 | PhilRod | thank you |
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| 22:16.13 | xevious | hiya. i'm using mandrake 10.1 and kde 3.2.3 and i want to use ssh-agent. i was told in #mandrake that it should just work if i have my keys all set up, but when kde starts, it doesnt ask me for my passphrase. can anyone help me out? |
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| 22:17.20 | PhilRod | xevious: I don't understand - do you want to run some command at KDE startup that will ask for your passphrase? |
| 22:17.33 | PhilRod | or do you mean that ssh-agent doesn't work at all while running KDE? |
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| 22:18.34 | xevious | PhilRod: ssh-agent has to load startkde so that it can control all the child processes |
| 22:19.19 | xevious | PhilRod: i have my ~/.ssh/id_rsa and id_rsa.pub and i'm trying to figure out how to make that happen |
| 22:19.55 | PhilRod | can you put 'exec ssh-agent <ssh-agent-command-to-run-startkde>' in your ~/.xinitrc? |
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| 22:20.22 | xevious | i could if i wasnt using mandrake. |
| 22:20.44 | PhilRod | ? |
| 22:20.47 | xevious | i suppose i should ask in #mandrake, but i've been trying there for days and no one's helped |
| 22:20.57 | xevious | mandrake doesn't pay attention to ~/.xinitrc |
| 22:21.46 | PhilRod | are you using [xkg]dm to log in? |
| 22:21.50 | xevious | yup |
| 22:22.07 | PhilRod | then s/xinitrc/xsession/ |
| 22:22.54 | PhilRod | although kdm uses some other method to define the session, which I don't know |
| 22:23.05 | PhilRod | someone else here would know, I expect |
| 22:23.20 | Renze | $KDEDIR/share/apps/kdm/sessions/ |
| 22:25.02 | PhilRod | is this in the faq? cos it really should be |
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| 22:26.45 | PhilRod | ah, it's in the kdm docs: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/kdm/different-window-managers-with-kdm.html |
| 22:26.51 | PhilRod | xevious: take a look there ^^^ |
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| 22:27.06 | xevious | thanks! |
| 22:27.54 | duffbeer | hello .. i actually did some very stupid just now. deleted my kmail folders ... i somehow managed to restore my mail, but not all of it ... only the top directories showed up. all the subfolders are gone. any idea why subfolders would disappear but not main ones? |
| 22:29.14 | PhilRod | the actual messages are stored in ~/Mail. Is that what you deleted? |
| 22:30.01 | duffbeer | yep |
| 22:30.10 | illogic-al | half an hour should be enough. |
| 22:30.18 | illogic-al | sooooooooo. what's up folks |
| 22:30.19 | duffbeer | philrod i deleted /home/f2/ which had Mail/ in it |
| 22:30.52 | duffbeer | but i somehow had a copy of the current top directories in /mnt/hdg/newt-copy/Mail/ |
| 22:31.28 | PhilRod | duffbeer: there's some sort of weird format where subfolders are stored in Mail/.<foldername>.directory, so make sure you copied everything including dot-files |
| 22:31.29 | duffbeer | although all the subdirectories (where the main info was) are gone. vanished. it's just so ... X-ed-out files. |
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| 22:32.17 | duffbeer | philrod .. welll i did "cp -Rf /path/to/Mail/ /path/to/new/" ... shouldn't that have taken care of it? |
| 22:32.38 | PhilRod | s'pose so, but worth checking |
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| 22:35.57 | duffbeer | ah hah! philrod i see ... |
| 22:36.07 | duffbeer | it did NOT copy the . directories |
| 22:36.07 | Narg | Hrm... this is slightly off topic, but on it to, since kde has k3b: Can you listen to an audio cd burnt with music files in mp3 format on a portable cd player? |
| 22:37.00 | PhilRod | only if the player has mp3 support - afaik some do |
| 22:37.39 | Narg | hrm... |
| 22:37.44 | Narg | meh, time for reseach. |
| 22:38.43 | duffbeer | ah hah .. ok ... i thinki saved my own butt here... but now i am just trying to tell kmail to use another location to read its files. how do i do that? |
| 22:39.08 | illogic-al | you can't |
| 22:39.19 | illogic-al | you symlink the old location to the new one |
| 22:39.40 | duffbeer | ah yes symlink will do it. thanks. |
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| 22:46.19 | illogic-al | dude4545: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51550 |
| 22:49.08 | illogic-al | i suggest you vote for that bug. |
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| 23:01.13 | illogic-al | dude4545: from reading some more bug reports it seems that there's a way to change the mail folder in kmailrc |
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| 23:06.04 | illogic-al | aha! |
| 23:06.20 | illogic-al | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55185 <- dude4545 if you're still curious |
| 23:06.28 | illogic-al | Now i can get back to work :-) |
| 23:14.33 | illogic-al | blah. I'm goinna bad. |
| 23:14.57 | Renze | your goanna is bald? |
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| 23:22.32 | mikmorg | hello |
| 23:22.55 | mikmorg | i was wondering if there is any way to move a window to a different screen without restarting the app? |
| 23:23.33 | The-eh | use vnc :) |
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| 23:23.48 | mikmorg | eh... no thanks |
| 23:24.16 | mikmorg | i find it silly that there isn't a general tool built into kde to move windows between screens |
| 23:24.23 | mikmorg | if there isn't, that is |
| 23:24.30 | Renze | mikmorg: you mean virtual desktops, or physical monitors? |
| 23:24.38 | mikmorg | physical monitors |
| 23:24.47 | mikmorg | different desktops |
| 23:24.54 | Renze | mikmorg: xinerama? dual head? two separate logins? |
| 23:25.00 | mikmorg | dual head |
| 23:25.03 | mikmorg | same login |
| 23:25.12 | mikmorg | same session, 2 desktops |
| 23:25.14 | mikmorg | gimp can do it |
| 23:25.18 | The-eh | the xinerama should solve that?.. |
| 23:25.19 | mikmorg | but i haven't found a general option |
| 23:25.22 | Renze | sorry, can't help with that... I only have one monitor |
| 23:25.32 | mikmorg | hrmm |
| 23:25.33 | mikmorg | :( |
| 23:25.42 | mikmorg | thanks anyway |
| 23:25.52 | mikmorg | its the only prob i have w/ using dual mons & dual desktops |
| 23:26.00 | mikmorg | i can't on-the-fly move a window |
| 23:26.28 | The-eh | mikmorg: do you know if the programs are compiled with the xinerama extension_ |
| 23:26.29 | The-eh | ? |
| 23:26.42 | mikmorg | no, i don't know jack about xinerama |
| 23:26.56 | The-eh | mikmorg: what distro are you using? |
| 23:26.59 | mikmorg | i'm dealing with binaries (most progs are rpm pkg'd) |
| 23:27.14 | mikmorg | FC2 |
| 23:27.14 | The-eh | ah.. |
| 23:27.21 | mikmorg | er.. 3 asap |
| 23:27.24 | Renze | ick, binaries :) |
| 23:27.29 | The-eh | :) |
| 23:27.30 | mikmorg | right now i can't spare downtime to reformat |
| 23:27.35 | mikmorg | yeah i know, i hate them too |
| 23:27.41 | mikmorg | but i deal with whats given and make due |
| 23:27.55 | The-eh | I'm using gentoo where you can set a flag for most packages to compile in support for xinerama.. |
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| 23:41.00 | AssociateX | Hello people |
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| 23:41.40 | ExElNeT | heya ... krusader: is it possible to add icons with folder shortcuts in the icon / symbols bar? |
| 23:45.07 | Coax | i have seen a screeshot where the window border vas transperent (http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=16532) does enyone know how? |
| 23:46.47 | mobtek | install that theme :) |
| 23:46.52 | mobtek | an voila~! |
| 23:47.19 | snugglemonkey | Coax: that theme I tried with KDE 3.4 and it was not a good thing. I lost all of my toolbar and start menu icons. |
| 23:47.34 | snugglemonkey | Coax: make sure you save your current theme before switching. |
| 23:48.44 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 23:48.47 | slayerbob | do i know UML ? |
| 23:48.56 | slayerbob | oh - canllaith not here :( |
| 23:49.01 | slayerbob | er ? |
| 23:49.06 | slayerbob | anyone else know if i know UML ? |
| 23:49.23 | Renze | slayerbob: do you know what a use case is? |
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| 23:49.57 | slayerbob | a use case ? |
| 23:50.01 | slayerbob | describe it to me :P |
| 23:50.38 | Renze | then you don't know UML :) |
| 23:50.39 | slayerbob | if canllaith was here i would just ask her "is knowledge of UML something that i could acquire in half an hour" :P |
| 23:50.41 | ExElNeT | and where can i tell krusader to mark files with rightclick and to pop up the menu with a long rightclick? |
| 23:50.45 | slayerbob | since i know she knows what it is :P |
| 23:51.56 | Renze | I have a textbook on UML... |
| 23:52.01 | snugglemonkey | http://www.comptechdoc.org/independent/uml/begin/ |
| 23:52.16 | chowells | uml is t3h suckage |
| 23:52.39 | snugglemonkey | not so current of a link, but hey... how much do languages change anyway? :) |
| 23:52.40 | Renze | uml is there to make non-programmers feel good about themselves :) |
| 23:52.43 | chowells | I banged my head against the desk so much when I had to do a uni assigment on it |
| 23:53.00 | slayerbob | ok so it is trivial then Renze :) |
| 23:53.21 | Renze | slayerbob: extensive would be a better description |
| 23:53.38 | slayerbob | extensively trivial :P |
| 23:54.08 | Renze | slayerbob: if you have kdesdk installed, have a look at umbrello |
| 23:54.17 | slayerbob | ok i am just going to claim that i know it :) |
| 23:54.23 | slayerbob | i can worry about actually learning it later :P |
| 23:55.53 | slayerbob | Renze: i only have a 4.8GB hdd on this notebook |
| 23:56.03 | Renze | slayerbob: ah, ok :) |
| 23:58.31 | slayerbob | i will just get canllaith to teach me uml when she returns :D |
| 23:58.37 | slayerbob | <-- lazy :) |
| 23:58.43 | Renze | obviously :) |
| 23:59.06 | slayerbob | have been writing applications for jobs :P |
| 23:59.11 | slayerbob | gotta acquire more cash :P |
