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| 00:11.06 | sycofly | canll is the blister on the left foot ? |
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| 00:22.04 | Theory | On one hand, I am annoyed with kword for crashing |
| 00:22.10 | Theory | on the other, I am glad it autosaves :-) |
| 00:26.26 | termo | I'm having the same with OO :( |
| 00:26.55 | Theory | OO.o crashes deterministically for me :_ |
| 00:27.04 | termo | :) |
| 00:27.41 | termo | but kate is fine :) |
| 00:28.41 | Theory | indeed, but I'm not hardcore enough to write in tex just yet :-p |
| 00:32.14 | Theory | (although I am getting tempted) |
| 00:33.29 | gregday | wow i love mplayer |
| 00:33.35 | gregday | making some mp3s from a concert DVD |
| 00:33.41 | gregday | mplayer -ao pcm is so cool |
| 00:34.28 | sredna | Theory: You could try kile for aided tex editing |
| 00:36.18 | StevenR | kile is great |
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| 00:38.11 | Theory | I will have a play with it tomorrow |
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| 00:51.19 | tdi | hi all |
| 00:51.40 | tdi | kde suddenly stopped playing system sounds |
| 00:51.42 | ideafix | rotflol |
| 00:51.44 | tdi | just like thata |
| 00:51.54 | tdi | even restarts did nothing |
| 00:52.24 | tdi | amarok works cool, |
| 00:52.28 | tdi | xmms works |
| 00:52.32 | tdi | mplayer works |
| 00:52.42 | tdi | but ogle has problems with PCM access |
| 00:52.53 | tdi | artsd is on and test sound works |
| 00:52.57 | tdi | please help |
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| 00:54.17 | sredna | tdi: Check that system sounds are still enabled |
| 00:54.38 | tdi | they are |
| 00:54.47 | sredna | tdi: And try the test button in the config panel |
| 00:55.06 | tdi | works fine i said |
| 00:55.17 | sredna | Uhm, right |
| 00:55.46 | sredna | I don't know then |
| 00:56.06 | tdi | ok i fixed that |
| 00:56.08 | tdi | so |
| 00:56.20 | tdi | apparently my very beta kde has problems |
| 00:56.22 | tdi | :):) |
| 00:56.29 | tdi | look |
| 00:57.00 | tdi | there was NO player given in the field use external playaer |
| 00:57.10 | tdi | i put there famous aplay |
| 00:57.14 | tdi | and works |
| 00:57.22 | tdi | but this does not solve problem |
| 00:57.22 | sredna | Good :) |
| 00:57.26 | tdi | it works |
| 00:57.38 | tdi | but i do NOT know why it suddenly stopped working |
| 00:58.04 | tdi | probably beta ALSA + beta KDE 3.4 is not as stable combination as i think :) |
| 00:58.16 | sredna | If you did not make changes to your sound configuration, it's odd |
| 00:58.24 | tdi | i did not make |
| 00:58.27 | sredna | It works fine with alsa here |
| 00:58.40 | tdi | i do not use music at all |
| 00:58.47 | tdi | as i do not like sth to bother me |
| 00:59.08 | tdi | i use only one sound --> wav from Eurotrip to noyify me about emails |
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| 01:01.13 | chavo | tdi that is a setting in kmail isn't it? |
| 01:03.21 | ideafix | hi illogic-al |
| 01:03.30 | ideafix | you play UrT ? |
| 01:03.35 | illogic-al | hi ideafix |
| 01:03.46 | illogic-al | UT you mean? |
| 01:03.55 | ideafix | nop |
| 01:04.09 | ideafix | thats not you nvm |
| 01:04.23 | illogic-al | guess not :-) |
| 01:04.34 | ideafix | i meant urban terror |
| 01:04.49 | tdi | chavo: yes |
| 01:05.01 | tdi | but now with aplay kde sounds does not wor |
| 01:05.02 | tdi | k |
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| 01:07.22 | tdi | aplay wants to play kde oggs |
| 01:07.27 | tdi | hmm .. what to do |
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| 01:11.56 | tdi | using KDE sound system as default player fails to play |
| 01:11.59 | tdi | why ? |
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| 01:14.18 | pidi1 | hey guys |
| 01:15.13 | pidi1 | Can anyone send me a kde icon theme file so I can check what it looks like cause mine never seem to be "valid" |
| 01:15.58 | sredna | pidi1: Usually, the files claimed to be invalid contains the string ",," |
| 01:16.01 | StevenR | pidi1: look at the ones in your kde icon directories.../opt/kde/share/icons/... on my system |
| 01:16.17 | sredna | pidi1: Replace that with "," to make the warning to away |
| 01:17.32 | pidi1 | it doens't have any .. |
| 01:18.12 | pidi1 | my /opt/ folder is empty |
| 01:18.18 | StevenR | pidi1: paste the errors you're getting, and the theme file to rafb.net/paste |
| 01:18.32 | pidi1 | k |
| 01:21.06 | pidi1 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/LfSByu69.html |
| 01:25.34 | StevenR | pidi1: you are missing sections.... have a look at one of the actual index.theme files in your kde install |
| 01:26.40 | ideafix | how do i shcedule a task ? |
| 01:27.36 | sredna | ideafix: There is a cron frontend in the kdeadmin or kdeutils module |
| 01:27.52 | pidi1 | where do i find these? |
| 01:28.10 | sredna | ideafix: Kcron |
| 01:28.36 | sredna | ideafix: Or you can use kalarm, but that of cause only works while kde is running |
| 01:29.11 | ideafix | kalarm good option |
| 01:30.23 | StevenR | pidi1: $KDEDIR/share/icons/... |
| 01:30.49 | sredna | pidi1: If KDEDIR isn't set, it defaults to /usr |
| 01:31.45 | ideafix | i can only find kalarmd ! |
| 01:32.19 | pidi1 | i dont have a folder icons in /usr/share |
| 01:32.32 | pidi1 | can u paste a good icon theme file on the site? |
| 01:32.48 | sredna | pidi1: Try running this: 'kde-config --prefix' |
| 01:32.58 | sredna | pidi1: That is usually the KDEDIR |
| 01:33.16 | sredna | pidi1: What OS are you running? |
| 01:34.24 | pidi1 | gentoo |
| 01:34.50 | sredna | pidi1: Then you have /usr/kde/3/ or thereabouts |
| 01:35.25 | sredna | ideafix: Kalarm is in the kdepim module |
| 01:35.34 | ideafix | kdepim ? |
| 01:35.43 | ideafix | were is that ? |
| 01:35.46 | pidi1 | I see..... |
| 01:35.53 | sredna | ideafix: Along with kmail, korganizer etc |
| 01:36.39 | sredna | ideafix: Or in older versions of KDE in kdeutils |
| 01:37.09 | ideafix | this distro dont have kalarm for some obscure reason |
| 01:38.15 | sredna | ideafix: Which distro is that? |
| 01:38.22 | ideafix | SuSE |
| 01:38.34 | sredna | Sounds odd |
| 01:39.17 | sredna | Good night all |
| 01:39.36 | Heratiki | Hello all.. |
| 01:39.47 | Heratiki | Need a little help... Figured this was the best place to come... |
| 01:40.05 | jepel_tailweaver | ask away and we shall try to help you |
| 01:40.11 | Heratiki | Thanx... |
| 01:41.08 | Heratiki | Ok... I've been working with KHotKeys trying to use the Keyboard Shortcut to Keyboard Input (simple)... |
| 01:41.43 | Heratiki | What I'm trying to do is type be able to type say "/C" and instead of it printing those keystrokes to the dialog box it would print something like Hello World... |
| 01:42.30 | Heratiki | Sounds idiotic I know but everytime I try and get it working it responds to and picks up the original keystrokes and then sends the Hello World directly to the window as Hotkeys... |
| 01:42.34 | pidi1 | damn man |
| 01:42.38 | pidi1 | this icon set is complete |
| 01:42.43 | pidi1 | whats the problem |
| 01:43.29 | Heratiki | Instead of to the Dialog box which is currently in focus... If kHotKeys won't do it is there something out there that will??? |
| 01:43.33 | pidi1 | I see |
| 01:43.49 | ideafix | query pidi1 FUCK OFF |
| 01:44.09 | pidi1 | when I try to install existing icon themes, it says that this is not a valid icon theme |
| 01:44.36 | pidi1 | nice... |
| 01:46.11 | Heratiki | Ok... |
| 01:46.16 | Heratiki | Sorry... Guess that was too much... |
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| 01:48.03 | _chealer | is there some alternative to GTK Ctrl+Shift+Unicode? or Windows Alt+Numpad |
| 01:50.54 | Heratiki | Guess I'll look somewhere else... |
| 01:51.19 | puetzk | which lets you type most things :-) |
| 01:51.31 | puetzk | and there's the commandline 'unicode' util for really odd stuff |
| 01:51.59 | puetzk | there's probably an input method that can tak numbers, but I don't know it :-) |
| 01:55.52 | _chealer | hey you're right (at least I get something on fr_CA) |
| 01:55.53 | Heratiki | Man I don't know what to do... I've been all over the place with this for a long period of time... |
| 01:56.56 | _chealer | I don't really get how it works though. it's hexadecimal or what? |
| 01:57.37 | Numz | hi, i'd like to remove the frame around a konsole window in transparent mode, is that possible? |
| 01:58.40 | Numz | i've done the "no border" and unchecked the "show frame" |
| 01:58.52 | Numz | but there's still a visible frame |
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| 02:14.19 | puetzk | _chealer: Multi_key? |
| 02:14.23 | puetzk | it's logical |
| 02:15.00 | puetzk | so u + " = ü |
| 02:15.07 | puetzk | c + , = ç |
| 02:15.08 | puetzk | etc |
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| 02:57.10 | Alethes | I've decided that the component bar items should have better feedback like a button rather than being more like links |
| 02:57.13 | Alethes | get to work kde devs |
| 02:57.14 | Alethes | :D |
| 02:57.19 | Alethes | in kontact, that is |
| 02:58.18 | Renze | Alethes: submit a patch :) |
| 02:58.25 | Alethes | I would if I could do c++ |
| 02:58.31 | Alethes | I'm just a lowly web dev |
| 02:58.37 | Renze | now's a good time to learn :) |
| 02:58.41 | Alethes | hehe |
| 02:58.51 | Alethes | yeah, I guess C++ would be good to have in my arsenal |
| 02:58.56 | Alethes | haha |
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| 02:59.36 | Renze | up your arsenal? |
| 02:59.53 | Alethes | hah |
| 02:59.58 | Alethes | I knew that was coming, actually |
| 03:00.06 | Alethes | I was thinking, "oh man, I shouldn't have said that" |
| 03:00.13 | Renze | it was kinda obvious :) |
| 03:00.36 | Alethes | yeah, but it was too late :) |
| 03:02.23 | Alethes | kmail's notification should also give you a hint about who the messages are from and what the subject is |
| 03:02.36 | Alethes | I mean, it might as well |
| 03:02.48 | Renze | I can tell just by which folder they're filtered to :) |
| 03:03.03 | Alethes | I just use Junk and Inbox, mostly |
| 03:03.06 | Renze | "1 new message in Spam" |
| 03:03.10 | Alethes | right |
| 03:03.17 | Alethes | anything not in my whitelist goes to Junk |
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| 03:03.56 | Renze | I'm still training spamassassin, but it's caught everything but one without my help :) |
| 03:04.10 | Renze | mostly Nigerian scam stuff |
| 03:04.10 | Alethes | cool |
| 03:04.19 | Alethes | I just use a whitelist that I manually update |
| 03:04.28 | Alethes | 'cause I don't get a lot of useful mail |
| 03:04.34 | Alethes | I don't get a lot of spam either, for that matter |
| 03:04.56 | Alethes | the guy that runs the mail server does some pretty slick filtering even before it hits my mailbox |
| 03:04.57 | Renze | I used to get LOTS, until I changed ISPs and email addresses :) |
| 03:05.20 | Renze | used to get 80-100 spams a day on my old ISP |
| 03:05.59 | Alethes | good god |
| 03:06.02 | Alethes | that makes email useless heh |
| 03:06.52 | Renze | but occasionally entertaining... "a pill that will add three inches? that's physiologically impossible... let's read" |
| 03:08.12 | Alethes | hah |
| 03:09.05 | Alethes | akgregator sure does save me a lot of time |
| 03:09.16 | Alethes | it makes it hard for me to kill time too, though hehe |
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| 03:13.17 | EstupendoCero | hi |
| 03:13.45 | EstupendoCero | does anyone here know a good KDE frontend for GPG/PGP? |
| 03:14.54 | Renze | kgpg |
| 03:15.07 | Renze | which I think is in kdepim... |
| 03:15.47 | EstupendoCero | sorry for the cluelessness, I'm a noob |
| 03:15.50 | EstupendoCero | thankx |
| 03:16.00 | Renze | hang on, checking which package it's in |
| 03:16.07 | Renze | kdeutils, sorry :) |
| 03:16.59 | EstupendoCero | roxor |
| 03:17.23 | EstupendoCero | Thanks, I'll check it out |
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| 03:22.21 | Heratiki | Does anyone know if there is a program that does Text Replacement in X... |
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| 03:22.39 | Heratiki | Sorta like Acronyms for IRC... |
| 03:22.53 | slayerbob | you can set up macros in emacs |
| 03:23.01 | Heratiki | Ok... |
| 03:23.19 | Heratiki | But that's only in Emacs... |
| 03:23.19 | Heratiki | Will that cover every program I use... |
| 03:23.22 | Heratiki | IE GAIM, WebPage... |
| 03:23.25 | slayerbob | one of the lecturers at my uni had so many set up that he could achieve around 3x his actual typing speed :P |
| 03:23.36 | slayerbob | Heratiki: there must be by now :) |
| 03:23.37 | Heratiki | Wow... |
| 03:23.43 | Heratiki | That's what I was thinking... |
| 03:23.46 | Heratiki | But can't find a thing... |
| 03:23.47 | Alethes | khotkeys might be able to swing, that, Heratiki -- just a guess |
| 03:23.57 | Alethes | ok, just a thought |
| 03:24.07 | Alethes | that wouldn't work for anything but kde apps though |
| 03:24.18 | Heratiki | Nah tried khotkeys and it will register the initial keys but then sends the text as single hotkeys to the active window instead of the active dialog box... |
| 03:24.23 | Heratiki | Yeah... |
| 03:24.23 | Alethes | ah yeah |
| 03:24.31 | Heratiki | It works for things other than KDE apps... |
| 03:24.36 | Alethes | oh ok |
| 03:24.37 | Heratiki | Now it does with 3.3.2 |
| 03:24.40 | Alethes | cool |
| 03:24.49 | Heratiki | But sends it to the window as Hotkeys... |
| 03:24.53 | Alethes | I bet khotkeys could easily be patched to do that |
| 03:25.09 | Heratiki | Yeah but I'm like you... No C++ experience... |
| 03:25.14 | Alethes | it's the same concept |
| 03:25.21 | Heratiki | Yeah... |
| 03:25.30 | Heratiki | It should work... It's supposed too but just won't do it... |
| 03:25.33 | Alethes | hehe |
| 03:25.44 | Heratiki | I'm thinking there is some sort of special command maybe... |
| 03:25.46 | Heratiki | I dunno... |
| 03:26.07 | Alethes | y'know |
| 03:26.14 | Alethes | one thing that you _could_ do |
| 03:26.22 | Heratiki | Yeah??? |
| 03:26.26 | Alethes | it's kinda messy, but it'd work, I think |
| 03:26.40 | Heratiki | Ok... |
| 03:26.45 | Heratiki | Anything right now will make me happy... |
| 03:26.47 | Alethes | you could probably somehow map every key to another app, right? |
| 03:26.56 | Alethes | then do the processing within that other pap |
| 03:26.58 | Alethes | err app |
| 03:27.01 | Heratiki | I guess I could... |
| 03:27.03 | Alethes | then have it output accordingly? |
| 03:27.08 | Heratiki | That would be really messy... |
| 03:27.12 | Alethes | hehe |
| 03:27.21 | Alethes | probably be easier to make khotkeys do it |
| 03:27.26 | Heratiki | Do you know anything about dcop... |
| 03:27.30 | Alethes | nada |
| 03:27.34 | Heratiki | Hmmmmmmm... |
| 03:27.34 | Alethes | I'm a knewbie |
| 03:27.43 | Alethes | I started using kde a the beginning of this month |
| 03:27.44 | Heratiki | Ditto sorta... |
| 03:27.47 | yanger | anyone here get vmware sound to work under alsa? |
| 03:27.53 | Heratiki | I've been using KDE for a while... |
| 03:28.06 | Heratiki | Yeah a while back yanger but only because I had a real basic sound card... |
| 03:28.19 | Heratiki | Something along the lines of SB Live will work... |
| 03:28.43 | yanger | realtek ac'97 sound card |
| 03:28.47 | yanger | is what i got :| |
| 03:29.04 | yanger | well not a card, kinda onboard 5 channel sound... |
| 03:29.09 | Heratiki | Hmmm onboard sound??? |
| 03:29.15 | Heratiki | Yeah that's what I thought... |
| 03:29.22 | Heratiki | Seems to be a standard thing for Onboard... |
| 03:29.32 | Heratiki | Don't see why when a Live chip would slap right on there... |
| 03:29.39 | Heratiki | And it's better processing... |
| 03:29.43 | Heratiki | What about OSS... |
| 03:29.50 | yanger | slack10-current |
| 03:30.12 | yanger | er oss? |
| 03:30.13 | yanger | open sound system? |
| 03:30.15 | Heratiki | Yeah... |
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| 03:30.43 | Alethes | Heratiki: I'd submit your idea for text replacement as a wish for khotkeys |
| 03:30.50 | Alethes | 'cause that seems like it'd be pretty easy to do |
| 03:30.56 | yanger | but can oss play multiple sounds at once? [mplayer, noatun, vmware] |
| 03:31.14 | Alethes | arts is the part that does that |
| 03:31.20 | yanger | oh |
| 03:31.24 | yanger | nothing to do with alsa? |
| 03:31.25 | Heratiki | True that... |
| 03:31.37 | Alethes | alsa is what replaces OSS |
| 03:31.43 | Heratiki | Nah... ALSA is what replaced it... |
| 03:31.45 | Heratiki | LOL... |
| 03:31.47 | Alethes | hehe |
| 03:32.02 | yanger | hmm, when i change my sound system, it causes knotify to crash, normal? |
| 03:32.09 | Heratiki | LOL Dcop won't work with Firefox... LOl... |
| 03:32.16 | Heratiki | Not for me... |
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| 03:32.38 | Heratiki | Hey this seems like a possiblity... |
| 03:33.05 | Heratiki | Make a bunch of klipper texts... Then call on them with DCOP to paste text since KHotKeys doesn't print the statement... |
| 03:33.41 | Alethes | bleh |
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| 03:33.58 | Heratiki | Nevermind... |
| 03:34.00 | Alethes | is dcop what's used for khotkeys to work? |
| 03:34.02 | Heratiki | Yet another mess... |
| 03:34.05 | Heratiki | Nah... |
| 03:34.06 | Alethes | it can't be, 'cause it works with gaim |
| 03:34.13 | Heratiki | dcop is just a possibility... |
| 03:34.13 | Alethes | I think khotkeys is the place to start |
| 03:34.18 | Heratiki | Yeah... |
| 03:34.42 | Alethes | that'd really make you a lazy typist though :) |
| 03:34.58 | Alethes | you'd get in the habit of doing all your shortcuts, and you wouldn't be able to type anywhere else heh |
| 03:35.12 | Heratiki | Well I run ladder games through Yahoo and don't like typing all the extras I have too... |
| 03:35.37 | Alethes | gotcha |
| 03:35.42 | Heratiki | A perfect solution would be that I could type /C and it would do some ASCII Art with a start for the game... |
| 03:35.45 | Heratiki | That kind of stuff... |
| 03:35.56 | Heratiki | And it's sad that I can't find any Macro software for Linux... |
| 03:36.22 | Heratiki | I mean Macro's have been around since Win 3.11 |
| 03:36.48 | slayerbob | Heratiki: i am sure it would be easy to write such a program :) |
| 03:37.01 | Heratiki | <------- No programming skills at all... |
| 03:37.24 | yanger | what's the device sound adapter to use with oss? /dev/dsp0 ? |
| 03:37.35 | Renze | yanger: /dev/dsp |
| 03:37.45 | slayerbob | yanger: i think it depends a little on your distro |
| 03:37.54 | yanger | dsp points to dsp0 |
| 03:38.01 | slayerbob | i have seen it on /dev/dsp, /dev/dsp0 and /dev/sound/dsp |
| 03:38.06 | slayerbob | and other variants |
| 03:38.12 | Heratiki | Just watch the keyboard buffer and wait for a predetermined set of keystrokes and grab it and backspace across it and send the necessary keystrokes to complete what I want... |
| 03:38.17 | yanger | if i can't access dsp, do i have to kill something? |
| 03:38.41 | slayerbob | yanger: i have found that usually the solution is to change the permissions on dsp for most sound problems :) |
| 03:38.55 | Heratiki | Does ALSA take control over /dev/dsp??? |
| 03:39.16 | yanger | dsp0 is crw-rw--w- |
| 03:40.09 | Heratiki | Well if it exists then try it... |
| 03:40.11 | yanger | what permissions should it be? |
| 03:40.28 | Heratiki | Or I can try and DCC you my SB 512K PCI |
| 03:40.48 | Alethes | I think you want rw for users, too |
| 03:40.48 | yanger | er.. but i don't have the sb 512k pci.. |
| 03:41.05 | Heratiki | I was joking... Sorry.. Trying to make ya think of something else... Always helps me when I'm lost... |
| 03:41.09 | Alethes | err what's the word I'm looking for |
| 03:41.17 | Alethes | 666 is what you want, I think |
| 03:41.17 | yanger | rw is for users |
| 03:41.25 | yanger | u mean +rw for other users? |
| 03:41.30 | Alethes | yeah, other :) |
| 03:41.31 | Renze | Alethes: the number of the beast :) |
| 03:41.39 | Alethes | *nod* |
| 03:41.47 | Renze | 668, the neighbour of the beast |
| 03:41.52 | Alethes | hehe |
| 03:41.57 | Alethes | I was thinking of that earlier tonight |
| 03:41.59 | slayerbob | i find that if i do not have /dev/dsp o+rw then i get odd sound problems like flash movie sounds not working |
| 03:42.02 | Alethes | can't remember why though |
| 03:45.23 | Heratiki | I just thought of something... |
| 03:45.35 | Heratiki | What about those programs that change your typing language... |
| 03:45.48 | Heratiki | IE your on a US keyboard and can type in Russian... |
| 03:45.51 | Heratiki | Unicode I think it is... |
| 03:48.03 | Heratiki | Ok I'm losing it... |
| 03:49.37 | Alethes | yes |
| 03:49.38 | Alethes | yes you are |
| 03:50.09 | Heratiki | Damn... This is killin me... |
| 03:52.32 | Heratiki | Ok another question... Are there any Macro Programs out there for X... |
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| 03:53.25 | luvers_cross | If kde doesn't move a file to "trash" after it's deleted .. where might it go? |
| 03:53.39 | Renze | to the void |
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| 03:54.10 | Heratiki | LMAO |
| 03:54.52 | luvers_cross | that's what I was afraid of |
| 03:55.19 | Alethes | anybody here ever seen xfce's iconbox? |
| 03:55.19 | luvers_cross | any ideas why kde might fail to move something to trash? |
| 03:55.32 | Alethes | it's like the taskbar, but it's only the icon |
| 03:55.47 | Alethes | 'cause you told it to delete instead of move to trash? |
| 03:55.49 | Renze | luvers_cross: did you select "delete" instead of "move to trash"? |
| 03:55.50 | chavo | Alethes, yes I've used xfce |
| 03:56.05 | Alethes | I'd love to have that iconbox instead of the taskbar |
| 03:56.14 | luvers_cross | crap |
| 03:56.28 | luvers_cross | how come i've never seen that difference .. |
| 03:56.30 | luvers_cross | *sigh* |
| 03:56.44 | chavo | You can use it, I'm using xfwm4 instead of kwin. |
| 03:57.12 | chavo | just install gtk-qt engine and it will look like it belongs |
| 03:58.15 | Alethes | chavo: yeah, I might use xfwm4-iconbox with kde |
| 03:58.23 | Alethes | I'm not crazy about xfwm's window manager |
| 03:58.35 | Alethes | although, I like being able to drag windows from desktop to desktop |
| 03:58.39 | Alethes | that's slick |
| 03:59.11 | Heratiki | Alethes... |
| 03:59.16 | Heratiki | You ever tried SuperKaramba |
| 03:59.17 | Alethes | yessir? |
| 03:59.18 | chavo | Alethes, the one thing I don't like is that if a window is not on top layer but has focus it will minimize it when you click the icon. |
| 03:59.25 | Alethes | I don't knwo what superkaramba is |
| 03:59.44 | Heratiki | Check it out at www.kde-look.org... Since your new to KDE I think you might like it... |
| 04:00.11 | chavo | Alethes, I have gtk-qt engine installed and fired up xfce4-iconbox, it looks pretty nice. |
| 04:00.17 | Alethes | cool :) |
| 04:00.23 | Alethes | I'll give it a shot later |
| 04:00.37 | Alethes | Heratiki: what is it? |
| 04:00.43 | Alethes | I'm looking at the karamba link on that site |
| 04:00.50 | Heratiki | It's a visual enhancer for KDE... |
| 04:01.01 | Heratiki | Basically allows you to add some really neat things to KDE... |
| 04:01.14 | Heratiki | Without going through the trouble of having to script everything in the world... |
| 04:01.14 | chavo | The things I like about xfwm4 are lots of themes and windowshade with the scroll button. |
| 04:01.47 | Alethes | chavo: yeah, the gtk is nice, but the window dec themes are ugly |
| 04:02.03 | Alethes | Heratiki: cool, I'll probably give that a shot too |
| 04:02.48 | Alethes | alrighty |
| 04:02.51 | Alethes | I'm gonna crash |
| 04:02.56 | Alethes | gotta work in the mornin' |
| 04:03.00 | Alethes | adios folks |
| 04:03.12 | Heratiki | Lata Alethes... |
| 04:07.29 | yanger | i'm trying to get vmware to use /dev/dsp.. and the only way to make it work is if I killall -9 artsd, which disables my sounds.. any way to work aroun this issue? |
| 04:08.05 | slayerbob | yanger: i have arts disabled and use a sound player |
| 04:08.35 | yanger | but with artsd disabled, can u play more than one sound at once? |
| 04:08.49 | yanger | i was hoping i could use an alternate device.. |
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| 04:09.11 | yanger | ... or is /dev/dsp the only one to play music on? |
| 04:09.18 | jariep1_ | can somebody help me with a problem i'm having with k3b? |
| 04:09.38 | yanger | jariep1_, ask and we'll see? |
| 04:11.18 | jariep1_ | I downloaded an ISO for a Distro named Linex, which is a debian based spanish oriented distro. The md5sum is ok, so I know the file is ok but when I try to copy the disc with k3b it says it can't read the last megabyte of the CD. this has happened with 4 cds |
| 04:11.54 | jariep1_ | the iso is 698 megabytes |
| 04:12.02 | jariep1_ | i have 700 meganyte cds |
| 04:12.25 | yanger | enable overburn? |
| 04:12.38 | jariep1_ | how do I do this in k3b? |
| 04:12.44 | yanger | somewhere in the options |
| 04:12.48 | yanger | not sure.. |
| 04:13.31 | jariep1_ | ok will look and see |
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| 04:16.37 | jariep1_ | yanger, I found it, I googled for it. Will try to burn a cd and tell you what happens |
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| 04:24.39 | Borg^Queen | No matter where you go.... |
| 04:24.42 | Borg^Queen | There you are. |
| 04:24.43 | Renze | 'lo borgy |
| 04:24.47 | Borg^Queen | Isn't that annoying? |
| 04:24.51 | Borg^Queen | Hey Renze |
| 04:24.56 | Borg^Queen | What's up? |
| 04:25.00 | Renze | the sky |
| 04:25.16 | Borg^Queen | Not from where I am |
| 04:25.42 | Borg^Queen | Renze: you should check into voip |
| 04:25.47 | Renze | there's no up on a borg cube |
| 04:25.53 | Borg^Queen | `Like gnomemeeting |
| 04:26.10 | Dhraakellian | is it possible to get mail from exchange servers with kmail? |
| 04:26.16 | Borg^Queen | It didn't work well for me. I guess I'm missing something |
| 04:26.32 | Borg^Queen | It keeps being reported as broken |
| 04:26.34 | Renze | I don't have anyone in my Skype contact list yet |
| 04:26.37 | Borg^Queen | but it works |
| 04:26.48 | Renze | except the echo test service |
| 04:26.53 | Renze | so I know it works |
| 04:27.01 | Borg^Queen | Aye, If I could figure out why it's "broken" I'd call you |
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| 04:28.13 | Renze | I really should get a headset though... |
| 04:28.15 | Borg^Queen | Ooh it's not GPL |
| 04:28.24 | Renze | nope, it's proprietary |
| 04:29.26 | Borg^Queen | Bastards |
| 04:29.44 | Dhraakellian | well, they are supporting the nice people at Trolltech with their licenses, aren't they? |
| 04:30.03 | Borg^Queen | Oh ok |
| 04:30.13 | Borg^Queen | I guess |
| 04:31.19 | Borg^Queen | Renze: I'm going to install it. Let's see if we can get it to work ok? As in calling. |
| 04:31.30 | Renze | um, ok... |
| 04:31.48 | Borg^Queen | umm? |
| 04:31.52 | Borg^Queen | o0 |
| 04:31.57 | Borg^Queen | What you don't want to test it? |
| 04:32.08 | Renze | sure... :) |
| 04:32.20 | Borg^Queen | Contain yourself |
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| 04:33.03 | Borg^Queen | Aye what's with this dmix? |
| 04:33.06 | Borg^Queen | What's it all about |
| 04:35.05 | Borg^Queen | Ah so if you have an high end card you don't need it? |
| 04:35.10 | Borg^Queen | I have Audigy |
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| 04:35.58 | Dhraakellian | Borg^Queen: it's something for those who don't have hardware mixing |
| 04:36.24 | Renze | Borg^Queen: if you have hardware mixing, you don't need anything :) |
| 04:37.07 | Borg^Queen | Ah I see a softare mixer |
| 04:37.32 | Renze | Audigy should have hardware mixing, and you shouldn't need to do anything to enable it |
| 04:37.40 | Renze | it just does it |
| 04:37.48 | Borg^Queen | You just could have said it was a software mixer |
| 04:38.01 | Borg^Queen | `aye, audigy rox |
| 04:38.06 | Dhraakellian | outlook web access |
| 04:38.16 | Dhraakellian | IMAP support "coming soon" |
| 04:38.17 | Borg^Queen | Dhraakellian: you can do anything, YOUR a nix user |
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| 04:39.26 | Borg^Queen | YOU ARE |
| 04:39.30 | Borg^Queen | There, happy? |
| 04:39.59 | Dhraakellian | yes |
| 04:40.01 | Dhraakellian | yes, I am |
| 04:40.21 | Dhraakellian | except for this thingy with having to use my webbrowser to access my student email |
| 04:42.59 | Borg^Queen | Later |
| 04:43.10 | Dhraakellian | "IMAP capability – Coming soon, watch for Student E-Mail Broadcast’s announcing availability." |
| 04:43.18 | Dhraakellian | it said the exact same thing a year ago |
| 04:43.29 | Borg^Queen | You have to wait |
| 04:43.35 | Borg^Queen | Keep waiting |
| 04:44.03 | oggb4mp3 | Hi guys |
| 04:44.07 | Dhraakellian | has any of the ximian connecter stuff made it into kmail |
| 04:44.10 | Borg^Queen | Hey |
| 04:44.28 | Dhraakellian | Aaaauugh! it's oggb4mp3!!!11 Oh Noes!! |
| 04:44.29 | oggb4mp3 | what package handles sytem notifications |
| 04:44.43 | Dhraakellian | kdeannoyances |
| 04:44.49 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 04:44.50 | Dhraakellian | ouch |
| 04:44.55 | Borg^Queen | Nice shot |
| 04:45.06 | oggb4mp3 | is it in kdemultimedia |
| 04:45.11 | Dhraakellian | that washn't very nishe of you |
| 04:45.12 | oggb4mp3 | or something else |
| 04:45.14 | Borg^Queen | You missed a tooth |
| 04:45.29 | Borg^Queen | Knotify? |
| 04:46.08 | Borg^Queen | Go on, you know you want to |
| 04:46.49 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
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| 04:47.12 | Dhraakellian | or ocular implants, as the case may be |
| 04:47.27 | Borg^Queen | my eyes are shielded |
| 04:47.35 | oggb4mp3 | I didn't think knotify was it's own package |
| 04:47.37 | Borg^Queen | Literally |
| 04:47.46 | Borg^Queen | I dont' think it is |
| 04:47.56 | Borg^Queen | It may be part of kdemultimedia |
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| 04:48.02 | Borg^Queen | I'm guessing |
| 04:48.46 | Borg^Queen | Is it still snowing in NZ? |
| 04:48.55 | Borg^Queen | sunburnt? |
| 04:49.18 | sycofly | 29.5 indoors yesterday |
| 04:49.27 | Borg^Queen | Huh? |
| 04:49.31 | sycofly | yep |
| 04:49.39 | Borg^Queen | What happened to the snow canllaith was talking about |
| 04:49.44 | Borg^Queen | Oh wait was it canllaith |
| 04:49.52 | Borg^Queen | Hmm, maybe not |
| 04:49.54 | sycofly | that was her drink .. screw driver |
| 04:49.56 | Borg^Queen | Never mind |
| 04:50.19 | oggb4mp3 | Borg^Queen: your pretty violent for a girl |
| 04:50.20 | sycofly | lol |
| 04:50.32 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 04:50.35 | Borg^Queen | Nah, |
| 04:50.43 | sycofly | plz replace the suntan location |
| 04:51.18 | sycofly | hey guys .. i want ot add a few setting for my CVS into bash .. whereis the bash file ?? |
| 04:51.20 | Borg^Queen | go back out there |
| 04:51.46 | Borg^Queen | What's your distro? |
| 04:51.50 | sycofly | slack |
| 04:52.03 | sycofly | all i get is binary |
| 04:52.03 | Borg^Queen | You're a slacker? |
| 04:52.08 | sycofly | dam right |
| 04:52.21 | Borg^Queen | dirty bum |
| 04:52.41 | Borg^Queen | LOL! |
| 04:52.56 | Borg^Queen | Actually I don't drink, smoke or take drugs. |
| 04:53.07 | sycofly | dam .. naturalist |
| 04:53.12 | Borg^Queen | I expect I'd be very boring on drugs |
| 04:53.21 | sycofly | like me .. but im burnt out from too much |
| 04:53.47 | Borg^Queen | Pardon, too much? |
| 04:54.44 | Borg^Queen | Why? |
| 04:54.56 | sycofly | U2 concert >> New Year party >> boarder crossing gone wrong |
| 04:55.15 | Borg^Queen | Renze: good for you |
| 04:55.18 | sycofly | 3 sperate incerdents |
| 04:55.24 | Borg^Queen | gone wrong |
| 04:55.45 | sycofly | last cost me 7 weeks of intense spanish speaking lessions |
| 04:55.59 | Borg^Queen | I don't follow |
| 04:56.15 | sycofly | i didnt use a passport to enter the USA and got caught day after .. |
| 04:56.36 | sycofly | once i entered the USA .. |
| 04:56.38 | sycofly | ehhe |
| 04:56.47 | Borg^Queen | Where are you? |
| 04:57.03 | sycofly | NZ |
| 04:57.05 | sycofly | welly |
| 04:57.07 | Renze | sycofly is in the same city as me |
| 04:57.16 | sycofly | here is another story http://www.sycofly.com/freddo/chapter1.php |
| 04:58.12 | Borg^Queen | Oh |
| 04:58.31 | Borg^Queen | How did you get in the US without a PP? |
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| 04:59.02 | sycofly | social engeering |
| 04:59.13 | Borg^Queen | Hey grep |
| 05:00.18 | Borg^Queen | Is that nekid guy you? |
| 05:00.31 | Borg^Queen | social engineering? |
| 05:00.55 | sycofly | yes .. |
| 05:01.07 | sycofly | many a year ago now though |
| 05:01.14 | sycofly | cough |
| 05:01.23 | Borg^Queen | I don't follow. Man speak I guess |
| 05:01.40 | sycofly | fellow what .. |
| 05:01.46 | Renze | man speak?!? |
| 05:02.12 | Borg^Queen | you know "man code" |
| 05:02.26 | Renze | I know not of what you speak |
| 05:02.27 | Borg^Queen | I'm actually writing a book called "Man Code" |
| 05:02.36 | Borg^Queen | Of course not |
| 05:02.44 | grepper | hi Borq^Queen |
| 05:02.59 | grepper | er, Borg^Queen |
| 05:03.26 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 05:03.39 | Renze | bork bork bork |
| 05:04.23 | oggb4mp3 | Thanks for the bar brawl, I'm out |
| 05:04.32 | Borg^Queen | Just a sec, my mic seems to be broken |
| 05:04.39 | Borg^Queen | Damn NZ products |
| 05:05.35 | Borg^Queen | It's broken. I'll have to run out and get another one tomorrow |
| 05:05.58 | jariep1_ | yanger, it still doen't work |
| 05:07.08 | jariep1_ | can somebody help me with a problem i'm having with k3b |
| 05:07.13 | Borg^Queen | Sorry Renze |
| 05:07.18 | Renze | s'okay :) |
| 05:07.21 | Borg^Queen | jariep1_: shoot |
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| 05:08.47 | jariep1_ | I was told to activate overburn because I have a 698MB ISO of a debian based spanish distro named linex. But when I try to read the disc, it stops at the last megabyte and say it can't read the disc |
| 05:09.09 | Renze | does your writer support overburning? |
| 05:09.31 | jariep1_ | I guess I need to verify this |
| 05:09.33 | Borg^Queen | you don't need to overburn if you have a 700mb disc |
| 05:09.39 | sycofly | Renze. .. your onto it .. |
| 05:09.47 | Borg^Queen | 700mb discs are actually 703mb |
| 05:09.49 | Renze | onto what? |
| 05:09.50 | Dhraakellian | oh... nm |
| 05:09.52 | Dhraakellian | it is |
| 05:10.11 | Borg^Queen | I think that anvil really hurt Dhraakellian |
| 05:10.13 | sycofly | Mr. Knowldge .. |
| 05:10.16 | Dhraakellian | it's just not showing up in kdcop |
| 05:10.18 | sycofly | eek |
| 05:10.27 | Borg^Queen | ? |
| 05:10.32 | Renze | sycofly: nah, I'm just a geek :) |
| 05:10.40 | sycofly | respect |
| 05:10.43 | Dhraakellian | dcop kicker kicker restart isn't working |
| 05:10.47 | jariep1_ | I verified the md5sum and it's ok |
| 05:11.04 | Borg^Queen | It may be off the readable end |
| 05:11.10 | jariep1_ | ok |
| 05:11.33 | Borg^Queen | That happens with winders a lot |
| 05:12.01 | canllaith | lol Dhraakellian what did you DO to it |
| 05:12.02 | jariep1_ | i'm using k3b on debian |
| 05:12.15 | Borg^Queen | canllaith: baby |
| 05:12.32 | Borg^Queen | jariep1_: it's doesn't matter |
| 05:12.34 | Dhraakellian | and the restart function apparently works |
| 05:12.58 | Borg^Queen | reboots too |
| 05:15.46 | jariep1_ | i did this on 5 cds already trying to write the same iso |
| 05:15.56 | jariep1_ | it supports overburning |
| 05:16.03 | jariep1_ | i just googled it |
| 05:16.36 | Borg^Queen | clearly it doesn't work |
| 05:16.41 | jariep1_ | don't know what's going on |
| 05:16.45 | Borg^Queen | Why are you overburning? |
| 05:16.58 | jariep1_ | the first 4 were not overburning |
| 05:17.11 | jariep1_ | the 5th i did but it didn't work |
| 05:17.17 | Borg^Queen | The overburn feature maybe software dependant, as in a whineDOH's software |
| 05:17.29 | Borg^Queen | the first 4 work? |
| 05:17.54 | jariep1_ | they all have the same problem where i can't read the last megabyte of the cd |
| 05:18.11 | jariep1_ | i try to copy the cd with k3b |
| 05:18.18 | jariep1_ | it reads the cd first |
| 05:18.35 | jariep1_ | then i switch discs and then record |
| 05:18.53 | jariep1_ | but it won't finish past 99% of the disc read |
| 05:18.55 | Borg^Queen | and you encounter a problem yes |
| 05:19.01 | sycofly | Renze. .. when we do beers ..? |
| 05:19.02 | Borg^Queen | Yeah that's a bug |
| 05:19.18 | Borg^Queen | Beer: Recycled Urine |
| 05:19.20 | sycofly | is Renze a bot ? |
| 05:19.30 | Borg^Queen | Yes |
| 05:19.35 | Renze | does not compute |
| 05:19.36 | Borg^Queen | A droid |
| 05:19.37 | sycofly | bugger |
| 05:19.41 | Dhraakellian | Renze: are you a bot? |
| 05:19.48 | sycofly | Borg^Queen. u in the UK |
| 05:19.51 | Borg^Queen | Did you think he was human? |
| 05:19.57 | Renze | Dhraakellian: what does a bot think about weevils? |
| 05:19.57 | Borg^Queen | No why do you ask? |
| 05:20.02 | jariep1_ | you say that this is a bug? |
| 05:20.11 | Borg^Queen | Aye |
| 05:20.15 | Dhraakellian | jariep1_: yes, weevils are bugs |
| 05:20.15 | Borg^Queen | Same thing happens here |
| 05:20.29 | jariep1_ | oh, i meant the recording problem |
| 05:20.39 | Borg^Queen | I try to burn more than one copy of an ISO, the ones after the first don't work |
| 05:20.50 | Borg^Queen | ? |
| 05:20.52 | Renze | sycofly: we'll do beers when I'm not poor :) |
| 05:21.15 | Borg^Queen | Dhraakellian: May you never drink beer again |
| 05:21.16 | sycofly | me poor too .. we'll have to do poor beers |
| 05:21.18 | sycofly | lol |
| 05:21.24 | jariep1_ | so what can i do to try to fix this? |
| 05:21.31 | Dhraakellian | Borg^Queen: what is this "again" of which you speak? |
| 05:21.35 | Borg^Queen | Wait until they fix it. |
| 05:21.46 | Borg^Queen | Until then, reload the ISO image |
| 05:21.58 | Borg^Queen | Dhraakellian: you don't drink? |
| 05:22.02 | jariep1_ | the md5sum is perfect |
| 05:22.12 | Borg^Queen | Aye but it doesn't work right? |
| 05:22.13 | Dhraakellian | Borg^Queen: not beer, at any rate |
| 05:22.22 | sycofly | Renze. you can drive while i'll do beers on the way to canllaith house |
| 05:22.23 | Borg^Queen | May you never drink again |
| 05:22.25 | Dhraakellian | even if I wanted to, I'm still underage |
| 05:22.36 | Borg^Queen | Ah |
| 05:22.37 | jariep1_ | i can't copy the disc because it can't read the very last portion of the disc |
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| 05:22.45 | Renze | sycofly: I don't have a car or a driver's license... and canllaith is in the South Island |
| 05:22.48 | canllaith | oook |
| 05:22.57 | canllaith | Renze: gosh you don't even have a license? I don't either :) |
| 05:22.59 | Borg^Queen | jariep1_: do you have the original ISOs? |
| 05:23.12 | Renze | canllaith: haven't had reason to get one yet :) |
| 05:23.14 | sycofly | i know .. i have car .. and a map .. we should be able to find her .. |
| 05:23.20 | canllaith | Renze: and besides, surely you can afford some speights ;) |
| 05:23.24 | Borg^Queen | Poor canllaith |
| 05:23.26 | canllaith | sycofly: lol! it is pretty easy to find me |
| 05:23.31 | canllaith | there are 3 wireless networks in hanmer |
| 05:23.32 | Renze | I'd rather get something a little stronger :) |
| 05:23.38 | jariep1_ | I downloaded the ISO from the website then verified md5sum, which is perfect |
| 05:23.40 | canllaith | mine is called 'icebridge' |
| 05:23.46 | canllaith | so that narrows it down ;) |
| 05:23.55 | canllaith | scan for icebridge and know you're within 400m of my house lol |
| 05:23.59 | Borg^Queen | jariep1_: ok so burn each one at a time |
| 05:24.04 | sycofly | hehe .. Renze .. you got the time to take a summer road trip ? |
| 05:24.14 | Renze | sycofly: probably :) |
| 05:24.18 | jariep1_ | It's only one ISO |
| 05:24.22 | Borg^Queen | ROAD TRIP! |
| 05:24.33 | canllaith | lol oh bother |
| 05:24.33 | Borg^Queen | jariep1_: ok so what's the problem? I'm lost. |
| 05:24.38 | canllaith | please don't turn up on my doorstep |
| 05:24.44 | canllaith | I travel so much I might not actually be here |
| 05:24.53 | canllaith | and hanmer is an expensive place to get stranded for a night lol |
| 05:25.00 | canllaith | $180 a night accomodation |
| 05:25.10 | Renze | I'll sleep in the snow :) |
| 05:25.10 | Borg^Queen | ouch |
| 05:25.15 | Borg^Queen | `LOL |
| 05:25.20 | canllaith | Borg^Queen: ski resort,. everything is expensive here |
| 05:25.26 | Borg^Queen | I love the cold. It helps to preserve me |
| 05:25.30 | sycofly | snow .. my god .. which montain you on canllaith |
| 05:25.31 | Borg^Queen | Aye |
| 05:25.38 | jariep1_ | I need to give this disc to somebody so that they can copy it en mass, they don't have broadband to download the ISO |
| 05:25.57 | Borg^Queen | Oh ok |
| 05:26.11 | Borg^Queen | Just open k3b, then have it burn the ISO. |
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| 05:26.21 | Borg^Queen | close the iso dialog and start over again from there |
| 05:26.34 | Borg^Queen | Dont' close down k3b just the burn ISO dialog |
| 05:27.30 | jariep1_ | I think the ISO is defective, and so I can't burn the complete ISO, almost all of it, but with the last megabyte missing |
| 05:27.37 | jariep1_ | not the ISO |
| 05:27.44 | jariep1_ | I mean the CD recording |
| 05:27.54 | Borg^Queen | Aye, I believe that. |
| 05:28.07 | Borg^Queen | Let me ask you what size disc are you using?> |
| 05:28.16 | jariep1_ | 700MB |
| 05:28.19 | Borg^Queen | Not 650 or those odd ball 680s |
| 05:28.27 | canllaith | sycofly: um I don't know the name of the mountain |
| 05:28.32 | canllaith | but I am in Hanmer Springs |
| 05:28.37 | jariep1_ | 80minute 700mb |
| 05:28.48 | canllaith | I dunno, this isn't my country I just live here |
| 05:28.51 | sycofly | ok .. |
| 05:28.54 | sycofly | hmmmmm |
| 05:29.02 | Borg^Queen | jariep1_: what size is the iso? |
| 05:29.21 | jariep1_ | 698.6mb |
| 05:30.29 | Borg^Queen | You don't need to overburn |
| 05:30.33 | jariep1_ | ok |
| 05:30.49 | jariep1_ | but i have 4 cds with exact same defect |
| 05:30.55 | Dhraakellian | oh, hey... |
| 05:30.56 | jariep1_ | without overburning |
| 05:31.03 | Borg^Queen | jariep1_: are they all over burned? |
| 05:31.09 | Dhraakellian | gtk-qt is following style changes, but not color changes |
| 05:31.12 | Borg^Queen | Ah ok |
| 05:31.16 | jariep1_ | no, non, only the 5th |
| 05:31.26 | Borg^Queen | jariep1_: try this. Use XCDRoast |
| 05:31.32 | jariep1_ | ok |
| 05:31.57 | Borg^Queen | If it works with that then k3b is borked. If it fails then the ISO is borked regardless of what the checksum says |
| 05:32.24 | jariep1_ | ok |
| 05:32.48 | Borg^Queen | stares |
| 05:32.57 | jariep1_ | I used to use xcdroast, but when I switched to debian, I need to enable SCSI emulation |
| 05:32.59 | Borg^Queen | Which one is correct |
| 05:33.06 | Borg^Queen | Aye |
| 05:33.08 | Renze | Borg^Queen: no no, the sun shines out of my ass :) |
| 05:33.08 | jariep1_ | I used to use redhat |
| 05:33.38 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 05:33.40 | Borg^Queen | That's not sunshine coming out of there dear. |
| 05:33.40 | jariep1_ | give me a few minutes, I need to go to the laundramat |
| 05:33.47 | Borg^Queen | LOL ok |
| 05:34.09 | Borg^Queen | Use Konversation |
| 05:34.31 | Dhraakellian | Borg^Queen: I do check it out every so often |
| 05:35.03 | Borg^Queen | Good, let the addiction begin slowly |
| 05:36.41 | canllaith | oooh that reminds me I need to go figure out why my pc is being naughty and not being on the network |
| 05:36.49 | canllaith | so I can cvs up kopete and gaim |
| 05:36.57 | Borg^Queen | canllaith: It's shy |
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| 05:37.27 | canllaith | Borg^Queen: he is pretty shy, all the other computers pick on him for being a celery (an overclocked celery, too) |
| 05:37.39 | Borg^Queen | rotfl |
| 05:37.48 | Borg^Queen | Poor thing |
| 05:37.53 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: give him some peanut butter? |
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| 05:38.30 | Renze | celery is good in stir-fry |
| 05:38.32 | canllaith | I know, I love him to bits though and I am going to buy him a real processor one of these days. |
| 05:38.33 | Borg^Queen | Mmmm peanut butter |
| 05:38.37 | canllaith | Renze: you are not stir-frying my hal :| |
| 05:38.43 | canllaith | and Dhraakellian is not peanut-buttering him |
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| 05:39.00 | Borg^Queen | Poor thing indeed |
| 05:39.25 | Renze | warm |
| 05:39.28 | canllaith | you can stirfry my abacus |
| 05:39.36 | Borg^Queen | Ouch |
| 05:39.38 | Renze | abacus misbehaving again? |
| 05:39.44 | canllaith | Renze: heh he is always misbehaving |
| 05:39.51 | Renze | true :) |
| 05:40.15 | canllaith | I am thinking of changing him from abacus to dessasnaughtypoota |
| 05:40.18 | canllaith | he is being so bad |
| 05:40.32 | canllaith | (when hal had his original duron and was always misbehaving that was his samba server description string thingo......) |
| 05:40.36 | Renze | not diedelldie? |
| 05:40.46 | canllaith | nooo I'd miss my dell if he died |
| 05:40.58 | Renze | how about the company? |
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| 05:41.17 | canllaith | oh the company can die |
| 05:41.25 | anis | kakak busuk was here..yucks~ |
| 05:41.42 | canllaith | ahaks |
| 05:41.45 | canllaith | adik gila!!! |
| 05:42.12 | Borg^Queen | Dell was a good company until they started with those Win-Computers |
| 05:42.15 | Renze | busuuuuuk |
| 05:42.17 | Borg^Queen | Big mistake |
| 05:42.24 | canllaith | :o |
| 05:42.40 | canllaith | Borg^Queen: mine is very good for linux even suspend/resume working great |
| 05:42.44 | canllaith | but then he's pretty old, 5 years now |
| 05:42.44 | anis | canllaith: see Renze also said you are busuk |
| 05:42.47 | anis | sigh |
| 05:42.50 | canllaith | anis: I shower :( |
| 05:42.55 | canllaith | just last week ! |
| 05:42.56 | Renze | no, I was referring to me :) |
| 05:42.56 | Borg^Queen | ? |
| 05:43.00 | Dhraakellian | so instead of Win/Win, we should have GNU/Linux? |
| 05:43.17 | Renze | it's too warm... I'm perspiring lots :) |
| 05:43.23 | jariep1_ | ok I'm back |
| 05:43.50 | Borg^Queen | jariep1_: give xcdroast a shot, don't overburn. I suspect it's the ISO |
| 05:44.02 | Borg^Queen | jariep1_: I'm Mozart |
| 05:44.07 | canllaith | it's about 22 in this room now and 28 outside |
| 05:44.21 | Borg^Queen | Yuck |
| 05:44.48 | anis | do u think 3 GB / pentium celeron / 128 MB on notebook ( twinhead ) is enuff for linux people ? |
| 05:45.02 | canllaith | anis: 3GB hard drive ? |
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| 05:45.24 | anis | canllaith: its 6 GB , but i want partition it |
| 05:45.33 | canllaith | Sure but you will have not much space to store files. I had Slackware + KDE taking up maybe 1.2GB on my 4GB drivve |
| 05:45.37 | anis | 50% windows 50% linux |
| 05:45.51 | Renze | what's windows? |
| 05:45.54 | canllaith | lol Dhraakellian ! |
| 05:46.10 | canllaith | anis: yeah that should be a good little linux box assuming the processor is of the same era and is something like 300 - 600MHz |
| 05:46.11 | chealer | hi, trying to help a total n00b in #debian that says sound doesn't work and kmix shows a red icon with a X, any idea how kmix diagnoses that souns is broken? |
| 05:46.13 | Borg^Queen | Renze: windows was a 20th century computer virus |
| 05:46.15 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: no, realy |
| 05:46.20 | Dhraakellian | really* |
| 05:46.23 | Renze | Borg^Queen: ah yes, I remember now :) |
| 05:46.33 | anis | canllaith: i have problem with my notebook kakak , when the notebook do the heavy operations,the lcd will blank suddenly..do u know why akak ? |
| 05:47.03 | canllaith | anis: no I do not, but if it is always when you are maxing out the cpu I would be inclined to say it may be a head related issue |
| 05:47.12 | canllaith | since notebooks don't disspiate heat terribly well |
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| 05:47.39 | anis | canllaith: but all functions still ON , just the lcd blank..or i had a failure hardware ? |
| 05:47.46 | canllaith | anis: it could be |
| 05:47.54 | anis | sighs.. |
| 05:47.59 | canllaith | how do you make the lcd come back ? |
| 05:48.03 | anis | Renze: i think that is why my dad gave it to me :p |
| 05:48.14 | Renze | typical :) |
| 05:48.16 | anis | canllaith: shut down back..then restart it |
| 05:48.25 | jariep1_ | I need to activate scsi emulation first |
| 05:48.30 | jariep1_ | I have 2.6 kernel |
| 05:48.54 | canllaith | anis: ok then. See if it still does this once you have installed linux, it could be to do with powermanagement software |
| 05:48.54 | anis | canllaith: i think notebook and desktop have the different system..what do u think ? |
| 05:48.57 | canllaith | or it could be hardware |
| 05:49.30 | anis | canllaith: i format the notebook same with desktop..and now its trouble! |
| 05:49.55 | Borg^Queen | Renze: how do you test skype? |
| 05:50.11 | Renze | one moment |
| 05:50.14 | canllaith | mmmmm who knows, did you ask your dad if it was like this when he had it? |
| 05:50.18 | anis | Borg^Queen: skype is calling cards..is it ? |
| 05:50.38 | Borg^Queen | It's a voip video conf thingy |
| 05:50.42 | Renze | Borg^Queen: add echo123 as a contact - it's a test service |
| 05:50.43 | anis | canllaith: my dad said this notebook like that..we cant format simply like desktop |
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| 05:51.09 | canllaith | anis: um ok then. When you installed windows did you install power management software for it, the drivers? |
| 05:51.37 | anis | canllaith: i have problem with drivers akak..i dont have any driver on it :( |
| 05:51.49 | canllaith | ahhh anis this might be why |
| 05:51.54 | canllaith | but, with linux all drivers you should need are in kernel |
| 05:52.00 | canllaith | so maybe it will be better with linux |
| 05:52.04 | anis | canllaith: but i think my batteries is totally OUT , i just used my notebook using adaptor |
| 05:52.24 | Borg^Queen | It says problem with sound device |
| 05:53.04 | Renze | Borg^Queen: make sure your microphone is selected as an input source in kmix |
| 05:53.29 | Borg^Queen | Aye but my mic is broken |
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| 05:54.17 | Renze | Borg^Queen: check File -> Options, Head/Handsets tab, make sure the correct devices are selected |
| 05:54.44 | Borg^Queen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:55.01 | Borg^Queen | Got it |
| 05:55.42 | Renze | actually we've never met :) |
| 05:55.57 | Borg^Queen | Ah |
| 05:56.11 | Borg^Queen | OK so I've beaten someone to death with a total stranger. |
| 05:56.13 | Borg^Queen | How rude |
| 05:56.21 | Borg^Queen | My apologies |
| 05:56.27 | canllaith | um I opened konqueror |
| 05:56.29 | canllaith | to do something |
| 05:56.43 | Borg^Queen | Not about meeting Renze about being rude |
| 05:57.10 | Borg^Queen | canllaith: It's the mind that goes first |
| 05:57.27 | canllaith | mmm except I should be a good 40 years away from that even starting to happen |
| 05:57.29 | canllaith | if not 50 or 60 |
| 05:57.37 | Renze | of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most |
| 05:57.48 | canllaith | heh |
| 05:58.02 | Borg^Queen | Ozzy Osbourne |
| 05:58.25 | Borg^Queen | for? |
| 05:58.33 | Borg^Queen | jariep1_: Hey dude, what's going on? |
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| 06:03.07 | Borg^Queen | Ok I'm off. Good day or night to all |
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| 06:03.53 | canllaith | night! |
| 06:04.05 | MrGrim | yo canllaith |
| 06:04.06 | Renze | nite borgy |
| 06:04.12 | MrGrim | yer off teh hook :D |
| 06:04.17 | canllaith | yo yo |
| 06:04.20 | canllaith | is sredna around |
| 06:04.23 | canllaith | damn no he isn't |
| 06:05.33 | Borg^Queen | jariep1_: if the burn doesn't work with xcdroast, the ISO is borked. Download a new one. |
| 06:06.50 | sycofly | miss u |
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| 06:20.00 | sycofly | cvs checkout: warning: failed to open /home/syco/.cvspass for reading: No such file or directory .. eeek |
| 06:21.11 | canllaith | does not matter |
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| 06:21.15 | canllaith | non fatal error |
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| 06:22.13 | kyron | got a quicky...how do I get the screen resolution applet in my taskbar... I had it, removed it because I don't use it but one of my users would definately need it... |
| 06:22.21 | canllaith | kyron: krandrtray is the name of it |
| 06:22.48 | kyron | canllaith, garh!...thanks! |
| 06:23.20 | canllaith | It is in Kmenu -> System if you want the gui way :) |
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| 06:24.22 | kyron | Aw !!...so I _was_ looking with my eyes closed... guess I am just too tired ..thanks again! |
| 06:25.06 | kyron | oh...hey...you wouldn't happen to know if ytalk works with kde^ |
| 06:25.08 | kyron | ? |
| 06:25.19 | canllaith | mmm ytalk? |
| 06:25.39 | kendrick | isn't ytalk just a fancy talk client? |
| 06:26.04 | kendrick | "and even communicates with the same talk daemons." |
| 06:26.18 | kendrick | ooh, apparently it has X support now... |
| 06:26.57 | kendrick | someone should write a kde/qt version |
| 06:27.03 | kendrick | or maybe a kopete plugin :) |
| 06:29.52 | kyron | kendrick, LOL...the point is _not_ to have to use kopete for this one :P |
| 06:30.03 | kendrick | hehehe |
| 06:30.06 | kendrick | well, just use the X client? |
| 06:30.25 | canllaith | mmm kde has some talk support I recall seeing something in kcontrol |
| 06:30.30 | canllaith | infact, I recall writing something on it from the userguide |
| 06:30.36 | canllaith | without having any idea what it did or how ;) |
| 06:30.37 | kyron | kendrick, meh...guess I just didn't figure out how to use it correctly... |
| 06:30.42 | slayerbob | i saw something in konsole :) |
| 06:31.28 | kyron | Wow...1:30!...I have class tomorrow morning, time to calle it quits!...thanks for the tips! |
| 06:31.37 | kyron | gnight all (for whom it applies! :P)< |
| 06:31.45 | Noldo | morning |
| 06:33.02 | anis | wow... slayerbob was here *ALERT* |
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| 06:33.14 | gilbo | i need help |
| 06:33.20 | gilbo | my kde just crashed |
| 06:34.33 | slayerbob | alert ? |
| 06:34.55 | anis | slayerbob: where have u been ? busy with games ? |
| 06:35.05 | slayerbob | oh i was kinda banned :P |
| 06:35.07 | slayerbob | :$ |
| 06:35.26 | anis | erks.. |
| 06:35.38 | anis | banned with ur beloved one or what ? :p |
| 06:35.40 | gilbo | i saved the error message if anyone wants to see it |
| 06:35.47 | gilbo | maybe someone can help |
| 06:36.41 | gilbo | im using gnome right now and i hate it |
| 06:36.46 | gilbo | i really need my kde back |
| 06:37.13 | Venson | gilbo: i feel your pain |
| 06:37.20 | slayerbob | er ? |
| 06:37.24 | Renze | unh? |
| 06:37.24 | slayerbob | who are we helping ? |
| 06:37.32 | slayerbob | oh hi Renze :P |
| 06:37.37 | Renze | hey bob |
| 06:37.41 | anis | slayerbob / Renze : gilbo |
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| 06:37.44 | slayerbob | how's life in wellington ? |
| 06:38.00 | slayerbob | anis: he hasn't posted the error message yet ... |
| 06:38.12 | anis | arr ok |
| 06:38.14 | Renze | slayerbob: kinda dull :) |
| 06:38.15 | gilbo | signal 11 |
| 06:38.28 | slayerbob | Renze: but you have internet :P |
| 06:38.37 | slayerbob | how can things be dull when you have the internet ? |
| 06:38.38 | Renze | slayerbob: yes, that's why I'm not outside :) |
| 06:39.08 | Renze | gilbo: signal 11 means segmentation fault... what we need to know is what app is segfaulting |
| 06:39.31 | gilbo | i can post the list but it is like 30 lines |
| 06:40.02 | Renze | use a pastebin |
| 06:40.10 | Renze | www.pastebin.com, I think |
| 06:40.14 | gilbo | im in flood |
| 06:40.29 | gilbo | ok |
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| 06:41.52 | sycofly | Renze. .. you a bit of a cvs guru ? |
| 06:42.03 | Renze | sycofly: not at all... hardly ever used cvs :) |
| 06:42.15 | sycofly | k |
| 06:43.10 | canllaith | sycofly: why do you ask ? |
| 06:43.19 | sycofly | well |
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| 06:43.35 | sycofly | it say to test use: rsh hongi.sycofly.com cvs -v |
| 06:43.41 | sycofly | but it hangs .. |
| 06:43.46 | sycofly | but if |
| 06:43.55 | sycofly | ssh hongi.sycofly.com cvs -v |
| 06:43.59 | gilbo | ok i past it |
| 06:44.03 | sycofly | i get instant responce |
| 06:44.06 | gilbo | in pastbin |
| 06:44.13 | canllaith | sycofly: that is because afaik 'rsh' means 'remote shell' |
| 06:44.23 | canllaith | and you should replace 'rsh' with what you are really using, in your case ssh |
| 06:44.29 | sycofly | and rsh uses ssh |
| 06:44.30 | sycofly | no |
| 06:44.30 | Renze | gilbo: yes, and now you need to tell us the URL to your paste... |
| 06:44.48 | gilbo | http://www.pastebin.com/233580 |
| 06:46.01 | Renze | gilbo: sorry, you're missing debug info in some libs, so that backtrace is mostly useless |
| 06:46.24 | gilbo | figures |
| 06:46.34 | canllaith | however |
| 06:46.44 | canllaith | it does give you a wee hint |
| 06:46.49 | canllaith | that this might have something to do with a kicker applet |
| 06:46.58 | Renze | yeah, it looks that way |
| 06:47.03 | canllaith | Try moving your $KDEHOME/share/config/kickerrc out of the way |
| 06:47.11 | gilbo | i know the k menu dosnt work it dosnt show |
| 06:47.18 | canllaith | and see if that helps |
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| 06:49.59 | gilbo | ok i wll try |
| 06:51.14 | gilbo | ok stupid question how to i get to that file |
| 06:51.15 | gilbo | ? |
| 06:51.17 | gilbo | using gnome |
| 06:51.28 | Renze | gilbo: open a gnome terminal |
| 06:51.38 | gilbo | i did |
| 06:52.08 | Renze | mv .kde/share/config/kickerrc .kde/share/config/kickerrc.bak |
| 06:52.20 | Renze | assuming your $KDEHOME is .kde |
| 06:53.08 | canllaith | that will reset your kicker settings to defaults |
| 06:54.21 | gilbo | no such file or directory |
| 06:54.34 | canllaith | gilbo: in the terminal |
| 06:54.36 | canllaith | echo $KDEHOME |
| 06:54.40 | Renze | gilbo: are you doing that from your user's home directory? |
| 06:54.53 | gilbo | as root |
| 06:54.57 | canllaith | gilbo: no |
| 06:54.57 | gilbo | sorry su - |
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| 06:55.02 | canllaith | do that as the user you experienced the crashes with |
| 06:55.23 | gilbo | ok |
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| 06:57.12 | gilbo | ok that time nothing happen so is that a good thing |
| 06:57.55 | canllaith | yeah lol |
| 06:57.59 | canllaith | now try starting KDE again |
| 06:58.04 | canllaith | don't configure or customise your kicker |
| 06:58.10 | gilbo | sorry noob<----- |
| 06:58.11 | canllaith | just leave it at defaults for a wee while, see if it crashes again |
| 06:58.19 | canllaith | once you're confident that it's not crashing |
| 06:58.22 | canllaith | add the same applets back to it |
| 06:58.32 | gilbo | ok |
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| 06:59.00 | luci | hi, how can i play audio cd with noatun ? |
| 07:00.58 | kendrick | shit |
| 07:01.07 | kendrick | openoffice was not kidding when it said this was going to be 54 pages |
| 07:01.11 | kendrick | ... 52 of which will be blank... |
| 07:01.16 | kendrick | i hate spreadsheets >:^( |
| 07:02.43 | luci | it's no plugin for noatun to play audio cds there ? |
| 07:03.51 | canllaith | I don't know I don't have any kind of cdrom drive |
| 07:04.33 | Renze | or I just rip 'em and listen to the oggs :) |
| 07:05.04 | luci | :) |
| 07:05.42 | MrGrim | ugh ppl need to stop outbidding me on ebay |
| 07:05.43 | luci | i just don't want ten different apps for ten differnet audio formats ;) |
| 07:06.36 | Renze | um, audio CD isn't an audio format... it just uses the playback features of the hardware |
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| 07:07.19 | gilbo | thank you so much |
| 07:07.47 | luci | Renze: well, to listen music then ;) |
| 07:07.58 | gilbo | my kde is back and running |
| 07:08.15 | Renze | luci: write an audio cd plugin for noatun, then :) |
| 07:08.21 | canllaith | gilbo: ok keep in mind it was probably a kicker applet you added that did it :) |
| 07:08.26 | canllaith | so....... don't add that map applet again!:P |
| 07:08.32 | gilbo | i think i know what it was |
| 07:08.47 | luci | Renze: i'll add it to my todo list :p |
| 07:09.11 | gilbo | i wanted to apply this theme that was for kde 3.2 and i have 3.3 and it didnt work |
| 07:10.50 | canllaith | :) sleep well adik |
| 07:10.57 | canllaith | heh |
| 07:11.15 | gilbo | does anyone know where i can get kde 3.3 themes |
| 07:11.21 | canllaith | kde-look.org |
| 07:11.23 | Renze | kde-look.org |
| 07:11.25 | Renze | snap! |
| 07:11.28 | gilbo | they have 3.2 |
| 07:11.29 | canllaith | the ones that say > KDE 3.2 |
| 07:11.31 | canllaith | no |
| 07:11.50 | gilbo | i have 3.3 |
| 07:11.50 | canllaith | http://kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=14&PHPSESSID=69fb0846a9c86f623c47da09309a31a3 |
| 07:11.52 | Renze | gilbo: if you build from source, it'll just work |
| 07:11.52 | canllaith | That section |
| 07:11.56 | canllaith | is for KDE 3 themes |
| 07:12.01 | canllaith | KDE > 3.2 |
| 07:12.18 | canllaith | kde greater than 3.2 |
| 07:12.41 | gilbo | ok thank you |
| 07:12.54 | gilbo | i can build my own theme? |
| 07:13.19 | canllaith | generally that is what you do with them. ./configure; make; make install |
| 07:13.28 | kendrick | KDE needs effects in icons |
| 07:13.41 | kendrick | like instead of just having PNG alpha, you can have a 'blur' layer |
| 07:13.59 | Renze | kendrick: write the support for it... and don't forget to support SVG too :) |
| 07:14.01 | kendrick | so an icon of a CD on the desktop can be semi-transparent, and blur the desktop background behind it |
| 07:14.03 | gilbo | this is so much better than wincrap |
| 07:14.05 | kendrick | Renze: heheheheh |
| 07:14.11 | kendrick | gilbo: tell me about it |
| 07:14.18 | kendrick | WinXP is like 'stone-aged' compared to Linux & KDE |
| 07:14.19 | canllaith | damn bloody konversation GAH |
| 07:14.24 | canllaith | brb :| |
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| 07:16.24 | luci | kendrick: why do u think so ? i used XP long long time ago and that could change thanks to various shell apps for winboze according to what i can see on various skinning sites |
| 07:16.41 | kendrick | my default KDE environment has lots of nice, useful apps built-in |
| 07:16.45 | canllaith | These don't have very good support though luci - microsoft don't sanction them and sometimes they make windows very unstable. |
| 07:17.04 | kendrick | window management in WinXP is a total joke... even with the "power toys"... (esp. when using Visual Studio, which is just completely fux0red for some reason...) |
| 07:17.15 | gilbo | did you know that some of the code from XP is really linux code |
| 07:17.21 | luci | can be, i just seen many screenies with much cooler themes than we still can do |
| 07:17.23 | kendrick | it's not |
| 07:17.58 | kendrick | my kde desktop is sufficiently advanced, compared to my winxp desktop at work :) |
| 07:18.06 | gilbo | it was said that windows 2000 pro and parts of windows xp was stolen from a linux code |
| 07:18.13 | kendrick | neither have as much 'candy' as mac os x... but there's a reason those things aren't running on 400MHz CPUs :) |
| 07:18.21 | Renze | gilbo: do you believe everything you read? |
| 07:18.26 | Venson | gilbo: you really shouldn't be insulting |
| 07:18.28 | kendrick | gilbo: there's BSD code in Windows |
| 07:18.30 | luci | kendrick: remember that e.g. dropshadows we have not so long since x.org introduced it in 6.8.0 |
| 07:18.34 | kendrick | but... the BSD license allows that, of course |
| 07:18.45 | luci | s/since/until |
| 07:18.49 | gilbo | sorry |
| 07:18.53 | kendrick | drop shadows are pretty, but i'm more concerned about being able to USE my environment |
| 07:19.41 | kendrick | maybe i've got a 'new toys' syndrome... but honestly, i had never felt that way about PCs/Windows |
| 07:20.39 | luci | i always did ;) |
| 07:20.55 | luci | btw, amaroK can play audio cd ? |
| 07:21.15 | slayerbob | people still have audio cds ? |
| 07:21.23 | luci | if yes, that's better than noatun then ;) |
| 07:21.25 | kendrick | Actions -> Play Audio CD :) |
| 07:21.48 | kendrick | (i THINk i have a CD in there :) ... i just ripped something with Konqueror the other night) |
| 07:21.49 | Renze | slayerbob: I keep mine for archival purposes only :) |
| 07:22.05 | canllaith | and they are good for proving you own your mp3s of course if that was to ever happen |
| 07:22.11 | kendrick | i finally got a USB ethernet adaptor for my TiVo, so now i have even more of a reason to rip all of my music :) |
| 07:22.30 | gilbo | ok here is the theme i tried to install before it came up with that error |
| 07:22.32 | gilbo | http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=13584&file1=13584-1.jpg&file2=13584-2.jpg&file3=13584-3.jpg&name=Energia |
| 07:22.32 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 07:22.38 | slayerbob | that raises an interesting question |
| 07:22.54 | Renze | gilbo: that is HIDEOUS! |
| 07:23.00 | slayerbob | in practice here if you are pirating stuff that you own then they only fine you for losses sustained by the business in question |
| 07:23.10 | gilbo | ok |
| 07:23.10 | slayerbob | so if you bought a cd and ripped say two tracks to ogg |
| 07:23.34 | canllaith | would they owe you 28/30 of the cost of aCD for trying to take you to court?:P |
| 07:23.40 | canllaith | or 18/20 depending |
| 07:23.41 | slayerbob | then surely if the recording company won the case against you for piracy they would have to pay you since the losses would be negative |
| 07:23.51 | canllaith | heh |
| 07:23.53 | canllaith | gmta |
| 07:23.54 | slayerbob | yuppers that was what i was thinking canllaith :P |
| 07:24.22 | Renze | nice money making scheme :) |
| 07:24.28 | slayerbob | :D |
| 07:24.31 | kendrick | damn.. that IS ugly |
| 07:24.36 | canllaith | lol |
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| 07:24.42 | canllaith | KDE probably crashed out of disgust |
| 07:24.47 | canllaith | 'I am NOT wearing that!' |
| 07:24.54 | gilbo | lol |
| 07:24.55 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 07:24.58 | gilbo | ok i get the point |
| 07:25.15 | kendrick | hrm... it looks like it WANTS to play the audio CD, but nothi's happening |
| 07:25.41 | luci | kendrick: check kmix cd volume level |
| 07:26.00 | canllaith | grepster? heh |
| 07:26.08 | slayerbob | kendrick: perhaps if you put a proper green cd in rather than one of those fake silvery ones... |
| 07:26.14 | kendrick | seems to work |
| 07:26.16 | kendrick | err... sorry |
| 07:26.21 | kendrick | seems to be up... the volume, that is |
| 07:26.30 | Venson | so pretty...and witty... |
| 07:26.53 | kendrick | someone needs to make a BBC TV version of Hitchhiker's Guide theme :) |
| 07:27.03 | kendrick | kinda like there are all those Star Trek: TNG "LCARS" themes |
| 07:27.19 | kendrick | with a big "DON'T PANIC" KDE splash :) |
| 07:27.32 | slayerbob | do people install them on the computers of enemies to make them unusable ? |
| 07:27.49 | gilbo | ok then what do yall recomend |
| 07:27.53 | slayerbob | "DON'T PANIC" followed by immediate segfault :P |
| 07:28.06 | canllaith | gilbo: umm nice styles |
| 07:28.11 | canllaith | lipstik is the current favourite |
| 07:28.15 | canllaith | i think active heart was the fashion before that |
| 07:28.26 | gilbo | so mine isnt good |
| 07:28.27 | Renze | gilbo: plastik is nice |
| 07:28.33 | canllaith | plastik is very nice :) |
| 07:28.42 | canllaith | gilbo: lol well it is your personal preference use whatever you wish |
| 07:29.00 | canllaith | I have never tried that style though so I cannot confirm if it was really what crashed your KDE or not |
| 07:29.01 | kendrick | ah, there we go... |
| 07:29.22 | kendrick | i wonder if realplayer was preventing amaroK from playing the CD |
| 07:29.27 | kendrick | it was able to play an MP3 |
| 07:30.21 | kendrick | oh woah! |
| 07:30.28 | kendrick | i've mostly listened to streams with amarok |
| 07:30.38 | kendrick | so i never noticed its systray icon 'fills up' as the track plays :) |
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| 07:30.58 | canllaith | it does? |
| 07:31.05 | kendrick | it does for m e :) |
| 07:31.14 | kendrick | i thought it was a graphics glitch |
| 07:31.24 | kendrick | but then it occured to me "if I /weren't/ a graphics glitch, what would i be?" |
| 07:31.43 | kendrick | so i moved the meter back and forth in amaroK's window and the color moved up and down in the systray icon ;) |
| 07:31.44 | canllaith | mmm |
| 07:31.48 | canllaith | amarok didn't import my media |
| 07:31.56 | canllaith | bad amarok |
| 07:32.26 | kendrick | OOC - anyone here in the SF Bay Area? |
| 07:32.31 | gilbo | ok i found one i like now how do i properly install it |
| 07:32.48 | gilbo | so it dosnt crash |
| 07:33.21 | luci | if there's package for your distro, use that |
| 07:33.31 | luci | otherwise you'll have to compile it |
| 07:33.40 | kendrick | oh sonofa |
| 07:33.45 | gilbo | ok |
| 07:33.47 | kendrick | i was tricked! |
| 07:33.51 | kendrick | (and am stupid) |
| 07:33.58 | kendrick | it played the ripped copy i made a few days ago... ;) |
| 07:34.01 | luci | gilbo: ... and install lots of devel stuff before |
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| 07:34.18 | luci | kendrick: lol |
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| 07:34.35 | canllaith | gilbo: if you download a style you just untar it, go into the directory and then ./configure;make as a user, make install as root |
| 07:34.44 | canllaith | if your KDE is properly configured that should be all you have to do |
| 07:34.54 | gilbo | ok |
| 07:35.40 | gilbo | where do i un tar it in the home folder? |
| 07:36.43 | mustasj | gilbo: does not matter, you can delete the source after make install |
| 07:36.58 | gilbo | ok |
| 07:37.26 | gilbo | well here goes nothing |
| 07:37.27 | gilbo | lol |
| 07:39.39 | canllaith | heh oh wow it does too! |
| 07:40.19 | canllaith | now to figure out how to make amarok not consistantly use 60% of my cpu |
| 07:44.29 | kendrick | so CD doesn't work so well for me |
| 07:44.45 | kendrick | with gstreamer engine, it actually works, but eats lots of cpu, since it's actually ripping it as it goes ;) |
| 07:44.51 | kendrick | which is silly, and they say it will be changed in 2.0 |
| 07:44.59 | kendrick | so /me apt-get install's kscd |
| 07:45.08 | kendrick | let's the hardware do the walking... |
| 07:46.09 | luci | kendrick: then it's not so good about amaroK and plying CDs |
| 07:46.18 | canllaith | LOL |
| 07:46.20 | canllaith | um interesting |
| 07:46.22 | kendrick | yeah :^/ |
| 07:46.25 | canllaith | dessa@abacus:~/media/ > du -cskh |
| 07:46.25 | canllaith | 17T . |
| 07:46.27 | kendrick | well, amaroK is pretty new, i think |
| 07:46.31 | canllaith | I had no idea I had a 17 TB hdd! |
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| 07:47.19 | luci | heh, gud ol' xmms |
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| 07:52.43 | canllaith | http://labrat.bryson.co.nz:8001/ermwtf.png |
| 07:52.45 | canllaith | :\ |
| 07:53.59 | Renze | that looks kinda wrong |
| 07:55.27 | canllaith | amarok crashed again :( |
| 07:55.33 | canllaith | it just refuses to scan my mp3's :( |
| 07:55.49 | luci | don't panic. same with noatun here ;) |
| 07:56.09 | canllaith | I guess I just kinda |
| 07:56.15 | canllaith | assume my music players will play music |
| 07:56.16 | jariep1_ | just wanted to mention that using xcdroast fixed the problem, thanks |
| 07:56.32 | jariep1_ | need to get some sleep |
| 07:56.38 | kendrick | try a different engine, canllaith :) |
| 07:56.41 | kendrick | just in case... |
| 07:56.54 | canllaith | kendrick: I don't see what the engine has to do with scanning my hdd for mp3's :) |
| 07:57.07 | canllaith | and it also crashes on switching engines |
| 07:57.09 | kendrick | oh, sorry :) |
| 07:57.12 | kendrick | oh wow, that sucks |
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| 08:00.06 | kendrick | this is a new one |
| 08:00.10 | kendrick | There was an error loading the module KHTML. |
| 08:00.16 | kendrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.29 | kendrick | maybe i should restart kde (or at least stop pre-loading konq) after that apt-get upgrade ;) |
| 08:00.43 | kendrick | heh... cool |
| 08:00.47 | kendrick | <html><head><title>about:blank</title></head><body></body></html> |
| 08:00.58 | canllaith | heh yikes |
| 08:01.01 | canllaith | your kdelibs needs updating |
| 08:01.06 | gilbo | well the one i wanted didnt work but i made my own so i can live with it |
| 08:01.30 | kolla_ | why bother with both -k and -h? :) |
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| 08:02.29 | kendrick | canllaith: i think my libs GOT upgraded, but konq was still running at the time ;) |
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| 08:03.31 | kendrick | brb |
| 08:03.53 | canllaith | heh that is weird |
| 08:04.13 | slayerbob | :P |
| 08:05.10 | lauri | me too |
| 08:06.49 | canllaith | heh I freaked my brother in law out doing it |
| 08:07.03 | canllaith | He wanted to look at pics, and I said 'hang on I just uninstalled KDE' |
| 08:07.21 | canllaith | sat there clicking konqui icon for maybe 2 minutes waiting for enough of kdelibs/base to be reinstalled |
| 08:07.32 | canllaith | he just couldn't comprehend how that was working and not crashing me out of X |
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| 08:14.02 | Flendor | Good morrow! |
| 08:14.18 | Renze | hola Flendor, what's the haps? |
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| 08:14.51 | Flendor | Everything's fine, I learned I passed from the two exams I took last semester :) |
| 08:14.58 | Flendor | How goes for you? |
| 08:15.03 | canllaith | oh excellent! :) |
| 08:15.09 | canllaith | is this for engineering? |
| 08:15.12 | Flendor | Thank you, Canny |
| 08:15.14 | Flendor | Yes. |
| 08:15.17 | canllaith | :) |
| 08:15.26 | Flendor | One of them was Kinetics and the other Measurement Technics |
| 08:15.40 | Flendor | I was going to say this to you in the morning at home, but, well, you were busy. |
| 08:15.47 | canllaith | yup |
| 08:15.58 | luci | bbl |
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| 08:23.39 | canllaith | um |
| 08:23.46 | canllaith | does anyone know if there is a C Shell channel on freenode? |
| 08:27.19 | Flendor | Sorry, I don't :/ |
| 08:27.23 | Flendor | Bye kendrick! |
| 08:27.40 | canllaith | anyone in here use csh and know how to export variables on it, and which file to put them in to have them sourced on login? :) |
| 08:29.49 | straw | rtfm, lazy bones ;) |
| 08:30.41 | straw | setenv <variable> <new_value> |
| 08:31.15 | canllaith | straw: I am writing documentation for someone else to RTFM |
| 08:31.21 | canllaith | if I was being a lazy bones I'd just not write it :) |
| 08:31.28 | straw | heh |
| 08:31.41 | canllaith | I know it's setenv ... but I know so little about csh |
| 08:31.47 | canllaith | eg, does ~ still expand to $HOME ? |
| 08:33.15 | straw | yup |
| 08:33.45 | canllaith | so setenv QTDIR=~/lib/qt ? :) |
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| 08:34.06 | canllaith | and, if I were to put this in a file to have it sourced on login would this be ~/.profile or ~/.cshrc ? :) |
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| 08:36.56 | straw | ~/.cshrc |
| 08:37.00 | canllaith | ty straw |
| 08:37.09 | straw | iirc ;) |
| 08:37.30 | straw | my experience with csh ends about there |
| 08:37.35 | canllaith | heh |
| 08:37.39 | canllaith | mmm ok that setenv didn't work |
| 08:38.09 | canllaith | I used it once apon a time. I don't bloody remember a thing though |
| 08:38.16 | xerxes1358 | whats the equivalent for setenv (csh) for zsh in .zshrc ? |
| 08:38.22 | canllaith | export |
| 08:38.26 | canllaith | KDEDIR=/opt/kde |
| 08:38.29 | canllaith | export KDEDIR |
| 08:38.42 | xerxes1358 | aha ty |
| 08:38.46 | straw | most shells seem to use export |
| 08:38.46 | canllaith | (or obviously a long list of them, with export foo foo2 foo3 at the end) |
| 08:38.54 | canllaith | well basically everything but csh is bourne compatible |
| 08:39.00 | canllaith | (and tcsh etc) |
| 08:40.20 | straw | "The .login script file is only read when you are actually logging in, whereas .cshrc is read every time csh starts up." |
| 08:40.34 | canllaith | ok then probably safest to do .cshrc then :) |
| 08:40.42 | canllaith | lol no way I can't stand csh |
| 08:40.50 | Flendor | Oh. |
| 08:40.52 | canllaith | I have never been able to, I was stuck with it at uni though |
| 08:41.04 | Flendor | :D |
| 08:41.23 | straw | i have enough trouble with plain old bash :) |
| 08:41.24 | lippel | canllaith: heh, we also got it on the solaris boxes at university |
| 08:41.28 | lippel | i hate it |
| 08:41.30 | canllaith | lippel: that is where I had to use it |
| 08:41.32 | lippel | the syntax sucks |
| 08:41.56 | lippel | i always want to use export, but it doesn't work... |
| 08:42.12 | canllaith | solaris boxes an der Universität |
| 08:42.23 | canllaith | if I recall my spelling correctly heh |
| 08:42.25 | canllaith | lol yes |
| 08:42.40 | canllaith | and then I do setenv and it goes 'syntax error' and I sit there wondering what the smeg I have done wrong |
| 08:43.01 | lippel | canllaith: correct :). solaris boxes would be "Solaris-Server" though. |
| 08:43.09 | canllaith | lippel: ah, I will remember this :) |
| 08:43.16 | lippel | but an der universität is even grammatically correct |
| 08:43.21 | canllaith | gosh |
| 08:43.28 | canllaith | that's unusual for me :P |
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| 08:43.44 | lippel | canllaith: you learned german? |
| 08:44.56 | canllaith | lippel: my sister in law is german |
| 08:45.14 | canllaith | she married my partners brother... and she was upset that no-one in the family thought it important to learn german for her |
| 08:45.20 | canllaith | always she was having to speak in english |
| 08:45.24 | canllaith | so I am trying to learn |
| 08:45.31 | lippel | heh |
| 08:45.48 | canllaith | when I said 'danke' to her for a drink she poured she said 'that is the first words of german anyone in this house has spoken to me' |
| 08:45.49 | canllaith | :\ |
| 08:45.57 | Renze | mein Luftkissenfahrzeug ist von den Aalen voll :) |
| 08:46.03 | canllaith | lol Renze you are such a goose |
| 08:46.10 | Renze | :) |
| 08:46.52 | Renze | don't blame me for the grammar... blame google translate :) |
| 08:46.54 | sycofly | lol |
| 08:47.02 | lippel | canllaith: so you learn german but her husband doesn't? |
| 08:47.09 | canllaith | lippel: he speaks German fluently |
| 08:47.13 | canllaith | even the bavarian dialect. |
| 08:47.14 | lippel | ah |
| 08:47.16 | canllaith | She meant other than him :) |
| 08:47.37 | canllaith | lippel: sister in law - die Schwägerin ? |
| 08:47.41 | canllaith | is this correct? :) |
| 08:47.46 | lippel | yup |
| 08:48.03 | canllaith | is this like 'the sister in law' or is this like, 'my sister in law'? |
| 08:48.27 | canllaith | eg, would I say mein Schwägerin ? |
| 08:48.38 | lippel | i am pondering if this is actually a schwaegerin. |
| 08:48.54 | canllaith | Well, I say that she is even though I am not married to her husbands brother |
| 08:49.08 | canllaith | it is easier than saying 'the woman who is married to my boyfriends brother... ':P |
| 08:49.59 | lippel | the brother of your friend is your schwager (or will be to be more exact ;) ), but i don't know about his wife. |
| 08:50.05 | canllaith | ah ok then lol |
| 08:50.26 | canllaith | Fair enough :) I will ask Doris (his wife) |
| 08:50.36 | canllaith | I try not to ask her though and just surprise her with the new words I am learning ;) |
| 08:50.52 | canllaith | I know enough now to play a game of kniffel with them entirely in German so she is pleased. |
| 08:53.11 | lippel | cool ;-). so you can count to 1000 or so. |
| 08:53.23 | canllaith | heh actually I just write the numbers |
| 08:53.30 | canllaith | I can count to 10 ... so I can call the dice.. lol |
| 08:53.37 | canllaith | everything else I write on the score card heh |
| 08:54.11 | lippel | this schwager-thing is complicated. there is schwippschwager as well... |
| 08:54.15 | canllaith | heh |
| 08:54.43 | lippel | i never cared, because i have no schwager yet. |
| 08:54.51 | canllaith | lol |
| 08:55.07 | lippel | well, i had kind of a schwaegerin once... |
| 08:55.10 | canllaith | isn't the schwippschwager the brother of your sister in law? |
| 08:55.15 | canllaith | Or is that the husband also |
| 08:55.22 | canllaith | I swear, this language is TOO complicated!:P |
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| 08:56.27 | lippel | schwippschwager isn't clearly defined it seems |
| 08:57.35 | lippel | schwippschwager := schwager of your partner, your brother/sister |
| 08:57.47 | lippel | according to duden |
| 08:57.52 | canllaith | hmm ok then |
| 08:58.23 | lippel | but even the germans in that dict.leo.org forum can't agree. |
| 08:58.35 | canllaith | lol ok then, I see this is a very complicated thing. |
| 08:59.39 | lippel | well, schwippschwager is more colloquial. so there is no real "official" meaning. |
| 08:59.45 | canllaith | I see |
| 08:59.50 | canllaith | and of course to complicate matters |
| 09:00.01 | PhilRod | I always have to get my friend to explain to me how 'second' cousins and 'once removed' work |
| 09:00.06 | canllaith | they are Bavarian... so they don't speak 'high' german |
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| 09:00.21 | [Aura]kingwanja | canllaith: are you originally welsh ? |
| 09:00.34 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja: my mother is scottish and my father from the very north of england |
| 09:00.42 | canllaith | (stockton on tees, near darlington I am sure PhilRod knows where that is) |
| 09:00.56 | PhilRod | heh, my geography is *awful* |
| 09:01.01 | [Aura]kingwanja | i know , i used to live in scotland |
| 09:01.04 | canllaith | heh well it is up vaguely near yorkshire |
| 09:01.13 | PhilRod | although I have a poster-sized map of Britain on the wall - let me look |
| 09:01.17 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja: ah well my mothers family are from glasgow |
| 09:01.20 | lippel | it's cool in polish, too. there are different words for nephew, depending on if it's your brother's or your sister's son. |
| 09:01.21 | canllaith | which everyone has heard of |
| 09:01.29 | canllaith | lippel: oh wow |
| 09:01.43 | [Aura]kingwanja | i lived in Barrhead in glasgow also edinburgh |
| 09:02.10 | [Aura]kingwanja | lippel , my wife is polish |
| 09:02.28 | PhilRod | ah, found it - south of newcastle |
| 09:03.00 | canllaith | around there |
| 09:03.05 | [Aura]kingwanja | canllaith: you are quite a mix then , you must have some odd accent , lol |
| 09:03.09 | canllaith | I have never been, he came to Australia when he was 17 |
| 09:03.24 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja: lol um yes. English, Australian, NZ and I am starting to pick up some small German from my sisters in law |
| 09:03.33 | canllaith | I now say 'Perfekt!'as a bavarian does :\ |
| 09:03.44 | canllaith | because Marion's enthusiasm is infectious. |
| 09:03.54 | [Aura]kingwanja | my dad is german , lol |
| 09:03.56 | canllaith | :) |
| 09:04.22 | lippel | canllaith: you can probably pronounce it better than non-bavarian germans, because of the R in perfekt. |
| 09:04.48 | MrPingouin | humphhh |
| 09:04.53 | canllaith | lippel: I find a german R a very easy sound to make, the more rolled R they use in bavaria because it is also in Indonesian, the other language I speak |
| 09:04.54 | [Aura]kingwanja | nein , moj polski jest malo dobre . |
| 09:05.02 | MrPingouin | for the first time, I don't understand the gecko rendering |
| 09:05.05 | canllaith | lippel: but I never, can ever get the 'ch' sound in 'ich' right |
| 09:05.09 | MrPingouin | and I prefer the khtml one |
| 09:05.15 | canllaith | or in the name Erich lol... it escapes me |
| 09:05.27 | lippel | canllaith: well, most germans don't roll R. it's dialects only. |
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| 09:05.37 | canllaith | lippel: I can speak a more northern german R as well |
| 09:05.48 | canllaith | I am good at R ;) shame about the rest of the alphabet |
| 09:06.02 | [Aura]kingwanja | they say that R in many euro lingos |
| 09:06.39 | lippel | [Aura]kingwanja: mówisz po polsku? |
| 09:06.39 | [Aura]kingwanja | Flendor: are you japanese ? |
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| 09:06.55 | Flendor | Nope, I'm Turkish |
| 09:07.08 | Flendor | I'm the only guy around me who cannot pronounce R |
| 09:07.29 | Flendor | I cannot get my name written correctly, so it sucks. |
| 09:07.33 | [Aura]kingwanja | tak , malwisz po polsku . lol |
| 09:07.36 | canllaith | Onur ? |
| 09:07.41 | Flendor | Yes |
| 09:07.52 | Flendor | And my surname has and L too |
| 09:08.34 | [Aura]kingwanja | The only way i can get that R is by pretending im holding a machine gun . |
| 09:08.38 | lippel | polish has far more perverted ch, sh, sch sounds than german "ich". |
| 09:08.41 | Flendor | Well no foreigner has been able to pronounce my name correctly :) |
| 09:09.02 | canllaith | heh I cannot say any ich sound except the harsh scottish ch |
| 09:09.08 | canllaith | which is more harsh than german |
| 09:09.19 | canllaith | at least, the german I have heard |
| 09:09.31 | Flendor | And I don't know how my name is written in phonetics :/ |
| 09:09.33 | [Aura]kingwanja | if you think thats bad , you should try welsh |
| 09:09.39 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja: lol I used to be in a welsh choir |
| 09:09.48 | canllaith | before every eisteddfordd (sorry I probably spell that wrong) |
| 09:09.50 | lippel | canllaith: you could learn russian then. they have a very harsh "ch". and they roll the R ;-) |
| 09:09.58 | canllaith | my first husband and his mother would have to coach me on my pronunciation |
| 09:10.30 | [Aura]kingwanja | ive been the the eisteddfordd (me too) in neath a few years ago . |
| 09:10.35 | canllaith | I could never get it quite right. The Welsh national anthem is the worst. |
| 09:10.47 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja: there are so many welsh in Australia that most towns have eisteddfordd there |
| 09:10.58 | [Aura]kingwanja | i see |
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| 09:13.02 | Flendor | What is an eisteddfordd? |
| 09:13.41 | canllaith | Flendor: it is a competition for music and reciting |
| 09:13.48 | Flendor | Oh. |
| 09:14.06 | Flendor | Is there such a thing as a Welsh national instrument? |
| 09:14.09 | canllaith | ah and apparently it is Esteddfod |
| 09:14.18 | Flendor | Like Scots' Bagpipe? |
| 09:15.07 | Flendor | Umm..I got to go to the bank :/ |
| 09:15.11 | Flendor | SEe you in a while.. |
| 09:17.52 | [Aura]kingwanja | well its a welsh cultural festival thats every 4 years and it has all types of music mainly its all in the welsh language . |
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| 09:18.40 | canllaith | In Australia it has been changed to basically a meeting of choirs, and a competition |
| 09:18.45 | MrPingouin | humph |
| 09:18.49 | MrPingouin | is there any css guru here ? :) |
| 09:19.01 | Aj` | does anyone know how to remove the google search bar from konqueror so it will go away and never come back ? |
| 09:19.02 | MrPingouin | I have written all the problem here : http://krystale.net/files/render/ |
| 09:19.09 | canllaith | Aj`: I think you can disable it under plugins? |
| 09:19.29 | [Aura]kingwanja | hmmm im trying to think of its national instrument |
| 09:19.43 | canllaith | Aj`: if not it comes with kdeaddons, you can simply remove the plugin .... I don't have it installed though so I am afraid I cannot tell you the name of the library |
| 09:19.58 | [Aura]kingwanja | maybe electric guitar as manics ans stereophonics are from wales , lol |
| 09:20.03 | [Aura]kingwanja | and* |
| 09:21.14 | Aj` | wow theirs all kinds of plugins/library's |
| 09:21.17 | [Aura]kingwanja | but the welsh sound is normally male voice choir . |
| 09:21.32 | canllaith | yeah |
| 09:22.42 | [Aura]kingwanja | I live in Barry which is south wales on the coast , just west of cardiff . |
| 09:22.47 | canllaith | ok then :) |
| 09:23.14 | [Aura]kingwanja | not new south wales :P |
| 09:23.19 | canllaith | I know ;) |
| 09:23.23 | [Aura]kingwanja | lol |
| 09:23.43 | slayerbob | um |
| 09:23.44 | slayerbob | er |
| 09:23.49 | slayerbob | not sure |
| 09:23.54 | canllaith | Christchurch dear lol |
| 09:23.56 | [Aura]kingwanja | i guess you know kylie |
| 09:23.58 | slayerbob | really ? |
| 09:24.05 | canllaith | I think so lol |
| 09:26.19 | lippel | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.25 | [Aura]kingwanja | i once met someone from austrailia online from some harbour area in sydney , she phoned me up and spoke to me on the phone for 8 hours both landline and mobile .. she worked as a caster for theatre and film and wouldnt tell me her second name , i think she was quite well known , lol |
| 09:26.30 | lippel | about 70 packages for installing gnome |
| 09:26.37 | canllaith | yikes |
| 09:27.06 | [Aura]kingwanja | hew phone bill must have been massive |
| 09:27.12 | [Aura]kingwanja | her* |
| 09:27.25 | lippel | well, i want to try some apps... so i will do it, even if i don't want to. |
| 09:27.53 | [Aura]kingwanja | Renze: most of the people in my clan are from netherlands |
| 09:27.58 | canllaith | so my / partition is using... gosh not so much |
| 09:28.03 | canllaith | 3.8GB including KDE source tree |
| 09:28.08 | lippel | yeah, but i am afraid i don't get rid of it later.. using gentoo. |
| 09:28.12 | canllaith | ok, that is not so bad |
| 09:28.18 | Renze | [Aura]kingwanja: I can't speak a word of Dutch any more... moved when I was four. |
| 09:28.35 | slayerbob | i can't speak a word of dutch any more either :( |
| 09:28.38 | Renze | well, except for a few swear words and some random words |
| 09:28.54 | [Aura]kingwanja | Renze: maybe you have one of those deep netherland accents ? |
| 09:29.01 | Renze | oliebollen... lekker :) |
| 09:29.06 | canllaith | actually he sounds 100% New Zealander |
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| 09:29.09 | Renze | no, 100% NZ accent |
| 09:29.13 | [Aura]kingwanja | lol |
| 09:29.29 | [Aura]kingwanja | a deep nz accent , lol |
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| 09:30.10 | edeca | Is it possible to launch the screensaver (or lock the screen) from the commandline? |
| 09:30.30 | Renze | dcop kdesktop KScreensaverIface lock |
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| 09:31.00 | edeca | If that works, I will forward you a cookie ;) |
| 09:31.05 | Renze | only one? |
| 09:31.07 | Renze | :( |
| 09:31.23 | edeca | It does! |
| 09:31.27 | Renze | I like cookies :) |
| 09:31.27 | canllaith | there are times when you and slayerbob could almost be twins |
| 09:31.36 | edeca | Thanks. I came a few weeks ago and asked about that and nobody had an idea :( |
| 09:31.42 | slayerbob | lol |
| 09:32.01 | canllaith | hehehe |
| 09:32.05 | [Aura]kingwanja | i went on windows yesterday ... only to check one particular site .. and guess what ... i get 12 viruses and IE gets hijacked :( |
| 09:32.12 | canllaith | little slayer |
| 09:32.18 | canllaith | pint sized slayer :) |
| 09:32.18 | Renze | :) |
| 09:32.19 | slayerbob | :o |
| 09:32.22 | canllaith | pocket sized! |
| 09:32.27 | canllaith | especially for on the go protection |
| 09:32.29 | canllaith | :) |
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| 09:33.19 | [Aura]kingwanja | i spent most of the day wrestling with viruses , scanning them over again and running adaware , over and over again |
| 09:33.55 | lippel | [Aura]kingwanja: when did you update win the last time? ;-) |
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| 09:35.24 | [Aura]kingwanja | it was fully updated minus sp2 as i didnt want it ... it was all upto date other than that because i made a fresh install of windows only a few days ago and added all the updates possible . |
| 09:35.39 | edeca | If you rebooted to Linux/BSD/other for the first time in ages and got bit by a remote root vunerability in a network service because you hadn't updated it in weeks.. would you complain? ;) |
| 09:36.19 | Renze | what is this reboot thing you speak of? |
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| 09:37.05 | Renze | hola anders |
| 09:37.14 | canllaith | hey there anders :) |
| 09:37.24 | canllaith | I was just about to fire up qtdesigner while my cvs builds |
| 09:37.30 | sredna | Hi :) |
| 09:37.56 | [Aura]kingwanja | sredna: \o |
| 09:39.33 | [Aura]kingwanja | time for coffee |
| 09:40.01 | sredna | Lol :) |
| 09:40.15 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.20 | canllaith | heh |
| 09:40.32 | sredna | It's all fresh, you cna have some too |
| 09:41.07 | canllaith | I do not drink coffee :) |
| 09:41.10 | canllaith | I do not like the flavour |
| 09:44.06 | sredna | Time to sleep? |
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| 09:57.38 | sycofly | hehe .. I "ci" command my /etc/profile .. tie to sleep I thinks |
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| 09:57.54 | sycofly | time* .. im losing it |
| 10:07.33 | [Aura]kingwanja | hey is there any data base stuff i can download like excel ? |
| 10:07.57 | edeca | Excel is a spreadsheet. |
| 10:08.01 | edeca | Access is a database. |
| 10:08.02 | edeca | Which do you want/ |
| 10:08.09 | [Aura]kingwanja | access sorry , lol |
| 10:08.38 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja: I thinkt here is a database front end on kde-apps.org |
| 10:09.17 | PhilRod | doesn't kexi (in koffice) aim to do that? |
| 10:09.19 | edeca | Me too, and phpMyAdmin |
| 10:09.20 | Renze | rekall is fairly good, and it interfaces with several different database engines |
| 10:09.20 | sredna | [Aura]kingwanja: Nothing really nice yet |
| 10:09.44 | sredna | There is rekall, but frankly I don't see that beeing any good |
| 10:10.34 | sredna | Then there is kexi, which aims to quite a lot like access, but kexi have at least man 10 years of development before beeing usefull |
| 10:12.06 | [Aura]kingwanja | hmmm |
| 10:12.29 | sredna | There is another one though that looks like it can actually be used -- knoda |
| 10:12.44 | sredna | Renze: Are you using rekall for anything productive? |
| 10:12.54 | Renze | sredna: not really... just personal stuff |
| 10:13.15 | sredna | Renze: It's been a while since I tried, but I never got it to do anything meaningfull |
| 10:13.25 | sredna | But cool, if it is possible |
| 10:13.32 | Renze | sredna: I used it to maintain a database of movies and stuff |
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| 10:13.57 | [Aura]kingwanja | so kexi is the one |
| 10:14.05 | sredna | I like the idea of using sqlite for small databases |
| 10:14.12 | Renze | sredna: but I'd built a web interface with PHP which I preferred using anyway :) |
| 10:14.25 | sredna | Mysqladmin :-) |
| 10:15.03 | Renze | at the time I was using PostgreSQL |
| 10:16.04 | [Aura]kingwanja | sq is server sided data base though , im not up on that stuff really |
| 10:16.35 | canllaith | what do you mean by server sided? |
| 10:16.51 | Renze | [Aura]kingwanja: most graphical database applications for linux are just front-ends to real database engines anyway |
| 10:17.07 | canllaith | for all values of real that are != to access or anything like it |
| 10:17.18 | Renze | exactly |
| 10:17.33 | Renze | access doth suck |
| 10:18.00 | [Aura]kingwanja | but you could use access with mysql , i think |
| 10:19.08 | [Aura]kingwanja | this is where i start getting dyslexic , lol |
| 10:19.27 | slayerbob | why would you want to ? |
| 10:19.31 | slayerbob | mysql is a proper database |
| 10:19.33 | slayerbob | access is not |
| 10:19.56 | sredna | Access can act as a frontend to a sql server |
| 10:20.13 | sredna | It just defaults to file storage |
| 10:20.19 | [Aura]kingwanja | yeah front end is all you need |
| 10:21.00 | [Aura]kingwanja | canllaith: your getting technical now :P |
| 10:21.22 | [Aura]kingwanja | think of poor mortals like me :) |
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| 10:33.16 | canllaith | oooh |
| 10:33.23 | canllaith | I am hearing a hint that crystal may be svg soon |
| 10:34.07 | sredna | The problem with svg icons is the small sizes |
| 10:34.28 | sredna | They should use javascript to adjust to the display size |
| 10:35.57 | PhilRod | presumably they'd still provide pngs in the default sizes |
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| 10:36.39 | PhilRod | since SVG seems quite CPU-intensive to process, and then you could manually touch up the small sizes |
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| 10:37.32 | StevenR | mornin PhilRod |
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| 10:37.48 | canllaith | Well |
| 10:37.58 | canllaith | I can use svg icon sets on my 500MHz and... reinhardt feels just as fast as crystal |
| 10:38.06 | canllaith | gartoon is noticibly slower but not annoyingly so |
| 10:38.39 | canllaith | I believe reinhardt uses pngs for some things though |
| 10:39.02 | PhilRod | heya StevenR |
| 10:39.37 | PhilRod | canllaith: did you try any of those svg wallpapers - very cool, but also *very* slow |
| 10:39.58 | canllaith | PhilRod: depending on how complex the design, they took between 10 and 20 seconds to render |
| 10:40.16 | canllaith | once rendered they seemed ok though - then again I don't use any pseudo transparency effects to cause repainting to be a very often thing |
| 10:40.17 | kos | ive just installed the new kopete but there no im plugins in it |
| 10:40.22 | kos | only gadu gadu |
| 10:40.42 | PhilRod | canllaith: yeah, same sort of thing here |
| 10:41.01 | PhilRod | kos: compiled or packages? |
| 10:41.13 | kos | compiled |
| 10:41.19 | kos | emerged (gentoo) |
| 10:41.58 | PhilRod | check the output of 'configure' to see if it says anything relevant |
| 10:42.23 | PhilRod | you might also want to ask in a gentoo channel whether there are any gotchas with their packaging of kopete |
| 10:50.20 | PhilRod | really? I didn't think there was anything blinkworthy on there |
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| 10:50.39 | canllaith | PhilRod: apart from sneakily plugging the faq. |
| 10:50.57 | canllaith | I get a nasty shock when I browse planetkde.org and see my name. Usually it means aseigo is saying something to embarrass me |
| 10:51.15 | slayerbob | you mean there are times when he doesn't ? |
| 10:52.06 | PhilRod | canllaith: "sneakily"? about the whole point of that blog is to plug docs :-) |
| 10:52.14 | PhilRod | not that I do it very well, but I try |
| 10:52.34 | canllaith | PhilRod: I see. I will have to look into ways I can plug docs. |
| 10:53.24 | PhilRod | cool :-) |
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| 11:11.40 | xerxes_IU | Hi canllaith |
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| 11:11.58 | canllaith | hi :) |
| 11:18.29 | xerxes_IU | canllaith: I need your help on some (bash)zsh csh environment changes |
| 11:18.33 | xerxes_IU | :) |
| 11:19.15 | xerxes_IU | canllaith: I am trying to change my bash into csh |
| 11:19.53 | canllaith | mmm well I think reading some bash documentation might help you there:) |
| 11:20.17 | xerxes_IU | so I did chsh but I get this message: chsh: can only change local entries; use ypchsh instead. When I use ypchsh though I get another error:ypchsh: Couldn't change password: RPC: Program not registered |
| 11:20.28 | xerxes_IU | I have read 2 books now already :( |
| 11:21.19 | xerxes_IU | on my own machine at home it works just fine (according to the documentation) but on these university machines are driving me mad |
| 11:21.19 | canllaith | read some more :) |
| 11:21.28 | xerxes_IU | isnt there anyone who know actually these things work :) ? |
| 11:22.35 | canllaith | the people who wrote the books :) |
| 11:22.50 | PhilRod | are you sure you have perms to change your shell on the uni machines? |
| 11:23.38 | canllaith | yay kdelibs kdebase kopete all built and packaged |
| 11:25.55 | xerxes_IU | PhilRod: I am not sure |
| 11:26.19 | xerxes_IU | PhilRod: but I know some guy changed my csh into bash 2 years ago (when I just came into this university) |
| 11:26.31 | xerxes_IU | now all of my friends have csh and I bash |
| 11:27.10 | xerxes_IU | the problem is I need to set some paths and I dont know how bash works exactly and all of the stuff we got from the teachers is for csh. |
| 11:27.15 | PhilRod | heh, gotta keep up with the Joneses, eh? |
| 11:27.28 | canllaith | hang on |
| 11:27.31 | xerxes_IU | ok |
| 11:27.32 | canllaith | you have had your bash set like that for two years |
| 11:27.36 | canllaith | and you don't know how to export paths? |
| 11:27.46 | PhilRod | lecture time |
| 11:27.51 | xerxes_IU | I never use Linux machines :( **ShAME** |
| 11:27.53 | canllaith | have fun PhilOut :) |
| 11:28.04 | PhilOut | canllaith: frisbee match straight afterwards, so I will :-) |
| 11:28.15 | canllaith | oh great, you'll have to put some more recent pics up sometime :) |
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| 11:32.47 | benjamindees | somehow kde keeps resetting my umask to 0022 |
| 11:34.07 | benjamindees | this user has been logged in for a week, and her umask is now 0022 even though it started out as 0002 |
| 11:34.50 | canllaith | why would KDE do that ? |
| 11:35.11 | benjamindees | I'm not sure how else it would happen |
| 11:35.22 | canllaith | I don't think it very likely that KDE would mess with the umask. |
| 11:35.56 | benjamindees | according to the bugs I've found, .bash_profile should be sourced on login, which sets my umask to 0002 |
| 11:36.07 | canllaith | mmm sourced on what login |
| 11:36.14 | benjamindees | and, somehow, a week later, it's reverted |
| 11:36.22 | canllaith | KDE login? No, it does not. On launching konsole as a login shell ? Yes, it does. |
| 11:36.23 | benjamindees | umm, kdm I think |
| 11:36.27 | canllaith | um no. |
| 11:36.40 | canllaith | kdm does not read .bash_profile afaik |
| 11:36.50 | Flendor | Whew. That bank's queue system SUCKS. |
| 11:37.01 | Flendor | In fact I think it sucks harder than anything or anyone I know |
| 11:37.03 | benjamindees | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53345 |
| 11:37.31 | canllaith | benjamindees: and did you read thiago's comment? |
| 11:37.41 | benjamindees | canllaith, is there a better place to set umask? |
| 11:38.07 | Flendor | fstab* |
| 11:38.08 | Flendor | ? |
| 11:38.19 | canllaith | kdm's default Xsession apparently already sources /etc/profile and ~/.profile |
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| 11:39.09 | benjamindees | I think my problem is somewhat different than that bug though... |
| 11:39.12 | HolyGoat | hello. anyone happen to know of a good xml editor for kde? (not kdexmleditor, that's very limited, it should be able to do wsdl and such) |
| 11:39.20 | canllaith | benjamindees: kdm was not designed to ever source .bash_profile |
| 11:39.38 | canllaith | for one thing that would completely not work on non bourne compatible shells |
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| 11:40.03 | benjamindees | canllaith, comment #17 says it was implemented |
| 11:40.20 | canllaith | Yes but was this done in head or your version or... ? |
| 11:40.32 | benjamindees | and it works okay... for about a week at a time |
| 11:40.46 | benjamindees | but I think some process is dying and getting restarted or something |
| 11:41.25 | benjamindees | if there's a kde-specific way to do this, I'd love to do it the "right" way |
| 11:41.26 | canllaith | This is not consistant with anything I know about inheriting shell variables. |
| 11:41.38 | canllaith | Well you can try ~/.kde/ENV I believe it is |
| 11:42.01 | benjamindees | haven't found too much documentation on that |
| 11:42.07 | canllaith | Although I am a little shaky on this - basically, I set all my variables in my .xinitrc which causes KDE to inherit them all from that process. |
| 11:42.15 | benjamindees | do I just put a umask.sh in that directory or something? |
| 11:42.32 | canllaith | I am not sure. |
| 11:42.37 | benjamindees | hrm |
| 11:42.37 | canllaith | Another thing you can do is modify the startkde script heh |
| 11:43.03 | benjamindees | I suppose as long as x doesn't get restarted, that will probably work better |
| 11:43.29 | benjamindees | I can see why nobody wanted to fix that bug :) |
| 11:43.42 | canllaith | I am not in agreeance that it was a bug at all |
| 11:44.10 | benjamindees | it's not at all clear how to set umask in kde |
| 11:44.27 | canllaith | you don't set it 'in kde' as such |
| 11:44.50 | canllaith | Like any other program, KDE will inherit variables from your shell. So pop them at the start of startkde or your .xinitrc or something like that. |
| 11:45.00 | benjamindees | right, that's not intuitive... that you have to set it in the parent process of the de |
| 11:45.05 | canllaith | um |
| 11:45.10 | canllaith | well that is pretty much the standard way you would do it |
| 11:45.46 | canllaith | and 'intuitive' is a complete load of rubbish I am afraid. |
| 11:45.54 | benjamindees | heh |
| 11:45.59 | canllaith | What is intuitive for you is not for me or for a third or fourth person. It is not an absolute value. |
| 11:46.06 | benjamindees | well, of course |
| 11:46.21 | canllaith | to me, to set it in the parent process seems perfectly logical :) |
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| 11:46.48 | HolyGoat | it's amazing how soap keeps sucking |
| 11:47.11 | HolyGoat | sorry wrong channel |
| 11:48.14 | benjamindees | I still think a process that has a login prompt shouldn't really have a "parent" as far as umask is concerned... |
| 11:48.56 | canllaith | if you like :) |
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| 11:49.13 | canllaith | I think it behaves perfectly normally and predictably for a unix application. |
| 11:49.48 | sarah03 | benjamindees: Uh, considering that at one point or another, every process on a UNIX-based system has a parent process, except init. |
| 11:49.58 | canllaith | hi there sarah03 |
| 11:50.02 | sarah03 | 'ello |
| 11:50.02 | sarah03 | :) |
| 11:51.26 | benjamindees | sarah03, but considering all the things that the 'login' process changes/sets rather than inheriting from *it's* parent... |
| 11:51.29 | [Aura]kingwanja | i need to wait for the next mandrake before i get my kde upgraded :( |
| 11:51.39 | sarah03 | benjamindees: Even the kernel threads on here are parented to /sbin/init. |
| 11:52.00 | benjamindees | umask is user-specific; it's set at login |
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| 11:52.06 | canllaith | um |
| 11:52.12 | canllaith | actually there is a global umask |
| 11:52.37 | sarah03 | benjamindees: Not strictly; umask is set to a reasonable default by the kernel or init before ever getting to login; it's set by the individual user in ~/.profile or equivalent, and generally in /etc/profile or equivalent as well. |
| 11:52.52 | canllaith | Which is what you should do if you want kdm to pick it up, and leave bash_profile out of it..... |
| 11:53.07 | benjamindees | ...fine, but there should be a *way* to source a user-specific umask at login |
| 11:53.31 | sarah03 | That's what ~/.xinitrc is for. |
| 11:53.54 | sarah03 | If you want KDE to have it's own, that's another story. |
| 11:54.20 | canllaith | benjamindees: yes, yes there is a way |
| 11:54.27 | willwork4foo | if I have a variable called $FILENAME that contains the string: "./testfile" and I want to chop off the ./ at the beginning and just have "testfile" in there, how do I do it within a script? |
| 11:54.27 | canllaith | look at ~/.profile and /etc/profile |
| 11:54.34 | [Aura]kingwanja | canllaith: you are one smart cookie .. can you tell me why no data appears in these boxes ... is there a way to get it to display .. http://www.jobcentreplus.gov.uk/cms.asp?Page=/Home/Customers/Searchforajob |
| 11:54.38 | willwork4foo | in a #!/bin/ksh script that is |
| 11:54.41 | canllaith | willwork4foo: with a regexp of course |
| 11:54.42 | sarah03 | But that gets hairy because then your shell doesn't necessarily have the same umask as your environment. |
| 11:55.01 | willwork4foo | canllaith: aw poo. I hate regex. |
| 11:56.16 | sarah03 | willwork4foo: 'basename --help': basename NAME [SUFFIX] - Prints name with any leading directory components removed. If specified, also remove a trailing SUFFIX. |
| 11:56.30 | canllaith | oooh I didn't even think of that |
| 11:56.30 | willwork4foo | aha! |
| 11:56.34 | willwork4foo | kewl idea. |
| 11:56.40 | willwork4foo | I was thinking of using basename |
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| 11:58.25 | canllaith | kaboom |
| 11:59.00 | canllaith | that was fast. |
| 11:59.06 | canllaith | Crash within 5 minutes of compiling |
| 11:59.16 | Flendor | :0 |
| 11:59.29 | canllaith | mmm |
| 11:59.36 | canllaith | and it is reproducable |
| 11:59.55 | canllaith | is trying to add me to my own icq account and then crashing and burning |
| 12:00.41 | Celestar | I'm somehow missing the "copy image location" for images on konqueror. where did it go? |
| 12:01.09 | sarah03 | Hm. I've had a few minor issues with Kopete, but no reason to stop using it, or upgrade it. |
| 12:01.14 | canllaith | heh |
| 12:01.16 | sarah03 | OTOH, I don't use ICQ. |
| 12:01.21 | canllaith | you're not using the oscar rewrite that got merged in just today |
| 12:01.32 | sarah03 | True. |
| 12:01.57 | [Aura]kingwanja | kopete is ok forme to use to cheesy chats |
| 12:02.07 | [Aura]kingwanja | the* |
| 12:02.47 | Flendor | The camera on the bid has been sold to another user :/ |
| 12:03.11 | canllaith | cheesy chats? ;\ |
| 12:03.20 | canllaith | damn, now I feel like cheezles or some other cheese chips |
| 12:03.26 | Flendor | Daddy is going to look for its price in the smugglers' building today |
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| 12:03.40 | Flendor | Hello Pinguin! :D |
| 12:05.27 | [Aura]kingwanja | well irc is the thinking man/womans tool but the rest are just for chatting up the opposite sex . |
| 12:05.32 | canllaith | uh |
| 12:05.37 | canllaith | if you say so |
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| 12:05.50 | [Aura]kingwanja | must be just me then :\ |
| 12:05.56 | canllaith | Yes I think it is just you |
| 12:05.58 | sarah03 | I beg to differ on that I have plenty of actual work-related conversations on Yahoo. [In fact... that's all I really have on Yahoo.] |
| 12:06.08 | canllaith | Indeed. |
| 12:06.30 | [Aura]kingwanja | well icq i always get pinged with porn . |
| 12:06.42 | canllaith | interesting I never have |
| 12:06.49 | sarah03 | And I've got an AIM account, which doesn't get used for much of anything except telling AIM that I want it to log me out of the other connections that I have. |
| 12:07.02 | canllaith | I think I have disabled messages from all users not on my list |
| 12:07.23 | [Aura]kingwanja | i dont use yahoo , or aol ... i find that most common is msn |
| 12:07.43 | [Aura]kingwanja | as its in your face when your install windows :\ |
| 12:08.03 | sarah03 | I was going to say... MSN is so common because "it's there". Kind of like IE and OE. |
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| 12:08.21 | [Aura]kingwanja | good job i know how to go into policies and kill it |
| 12:08.23 | canllaith | That depends if you install windows :) |
| 12:08.37 | benjamindees | well, ~/.xinitrc is completely ignored |
| 12:08.40 | canllaith | although I use msn cause family do - but with a multiprotocol client like kopete it is not hassle |
| 12:08.45 | canllaith | benjamindees: of course it is, you use KDM |
| 12:08.51 | sarah03 | canllaith: Do you think I install Windows? |
| 12:08.55 | sarah03 | :) |
| 12:09.09 | canllaith | sarah03: no that was related to [Aura]kingwanja 's comment |
| 12:09.33 | canllaith | benjamindees: .xinitrc is run when you use startx rather than a display manager. |
| 12:10.22 | [Aura]kingwanja | well i do because i play unreal tournament on there , thats the only thing thats got me using windows ....besides im still a baby learner on my own on linux .. AT 34 :( |
| 12:10.28 | benjamindees | uh-huh... |
| 12:10.39 | benjamindees | so there's no way to do this I'm guessing |
| 12:10.39 | canllaith | benjamindees: so I am not sure why you even vaguely thought that would work :) |
| 12:10.50 | canllaith | benjamindees: yes there is I have told you like half a dozen times...... and so has sarah03 |
| 12:10.54 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.07 | benjamindees | bleh, that's what I've been doing... |
| 12:11.13 | benjamindees | except .bash_profile |
| 12:11.14 | canllaith | you told me bash_profile |
| 12:11.16 | canllaith | benjamindees: no |
| 12:11.19 | canllaith | that is NOT what you have been doing |
| 12:11.28 | canllaith | Actually look at the words on your screen and pay attention. |
| 12:11.29 | sarah03 | I don't use KDM myself, because it doesn't deal with multiple "ServerLayout" sections in X's configuration. |
| 12:11.45 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.46 | apt | canllaith: okay |
| 12:12.00 | canllaith | hush apt |
| 12:12.11 | sarah03 | |lart apt |
| 12:12.18 | sarah03 | !lart apt |
| 12:12.24 | sarah03 | Feh. Which one is it? |
| 12:12.32 | canllaith | mmm |
| 12:12.36 | canllaith | apt: lart apt |
| 12:12.38 | canllaith | heh |
| 12:12.42 | canllaith | too true!!! |
| 12:12.58 | sarah03 | lol |
| 12:13.04 | [Aura]kingwanja | canllaith: you are some power brain .. are you master server control admin in a 40 story building ? |
| 12:13.23 | benjamindees | something tells me .profile is sourced by kdm at the same time as .bash_profile |
| 12:13.56 | [Aura]kingwanja | for that matter sarah are you ? lol |
| 12:14.31 | canllaith | benjamindees: I would suggest that you scroll up and read what was said again. I am not going to repeat myself if you have not the wit to listen. |
| 12:15.02 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja: I am a unix systems consultant, and a technical writer. I am afraid I have never heard of the term 'master server control admin' - sorry to spoil your daydream :P |
| 12:16.15 | [Aura]kingwanja | lol , yeah you are ... the terminology " Please be specific " come to mind when i hear you say that . lol |
| 12:16.50 | sarah03 | benjamindees: The other thing I noticed by reading $KDEDIR/bin/startkde, line 60: 'Source scripts found in <localprefix>/env/*.sh and <prefixes>/env/*.sh. This is where you can define environment variables that will be avaliable to all KDE programs." |
| 12:17.00 | canllaith | that is it, ty so much sarah03 |
| 12:17.11 | canllaith | I was thinking $KDEHOME/ENV |
| 12:17.12 | sarah03 | Where <localprefix> is $KDEHOME or ~/.kde, and <prefixes> is $KDEDIR. |
| 12:17.26 | sarah03 | And possibly each item in $KDEDIRS. |
| 12:17.56 | canllaith | hmm who in here knows much about the KDE_NO_IPV6 fix for slow loading on konqueror |
| 12:18.10 | sarah03 | benjamindees: So make a ~/.kde/env directory, place umask.sh into ~/.kde/env, and put 'umask [whatever]' into umask.sh. |
| 12:18.19 | [Aura]kingwanja | damn im like the scarecrow in the wizard of oz ... i need some brains to learn this stuff . |
| 12:21.43 | benjamindees | sarah03, I'll try that too |
| 12:25.00 | [Aura]kingwanja | if i knew where to get chequers and chess online , i will give you folks a game . |
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| 12:26.45 | benjamindees | well, ~/.kde/env/umask.sh doesn't work, perhaps my kde is too old (3.2.3) |
| 12:27.04 | canllaith | that is entirely possible I have a feeling that it was kde 3.3 it came out |
| 12:27.06 | benjamindees | .xsession doesn't appear to be sourced in Fedora |
| 12:27.10 | canllaith | benjamindees: have you tried ~/.profile yet ? |
| 12:27.41 | benjamindees | nope, I'll try that now |
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| 12:29.09 | benjamindees | no .profile either :( |
| 12:29.20 | canllaith | no .profile or no it did not source .profile |
| 12:29.30 | benjamindees | it isn't sourced |
| 12:29.37 | [Aura]kingwanja | i think i will get some webhosting and practice with msql and start a business site or something |
| 12:30.14 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: nowhere to run to, baby -- to the tune of nowhere to run to, baby. |
| 12:30.17 | sarah03 | umask doesn't need to be exported. |
| 12:30.26 | canllaith | nowhere to hide! |
| 12:30.30 | canllaith | oh of course this was umask |
| 12:30.35 | canllaith | well, either way. |
| 12:30.39 | canllaith | if it was set properly |
| 12:31.02 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: compiling went well. |
| 12:31.20 | canllaith | mmmhmmm |
| 12:31.51 | Flendor | :D |
| 12:31.51 | snugglemonkey | canllaith, but I can't seem to be able to use tab complete for you on kopete... hmmm.... |
| 12:32.03 | Flendor | 7me points to the opposite direction |
| 12:32.09 | Flendor | She went that way! |
| 12:32.17 | Flendor | >:/ I mean, /me points |
| 12:32.40 | snugglemonkey | real quick, what is this valgrind thing? |
| 12:33.52 | canllaith | mmm I think it is a memory profiler thing |
| 12:33.54 | canllaith | debugging tool |
| 12:34.09 | sarah03 | valgrind is a debugging tool that tracks memory allocation, dellocation, and usage. |
| 12:34.25 | sarah03 | And I'm sure other things too. |
| 12:34.36 | snugglemonkey | exciting. saweet. Hopefully not used too much.... |
| 12:35.11 | sarah03 | Basically it complains to the person running it if the program they're running with it is trying to read from uninitialized memory, write to unallocated memory, and other such things. |
| 12:35.46 | sarah03 | And it alerts you to memory leaks, and the place that they were allocated. |
| 12:36.19 | snugglemonkey | sarah03 ok, that makes sense, so you'd run that before a suspect _unstable_ program is initiated. |
| 12:36.32 | sarah03 | You'd run it: 'valgrind program arguments' |
| 12:36.51 | sarah03 | Or 'valgrind [valgrind opts] program arguments' |
| 12:37.17 | snugglemonkey | I'm going to restart kopete. brb |
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| 12:38.01 | benjamindees | okay, well, ~/.profile isn't sourced if ~/.bash_profile exists, at least on my system |
| 12:39.31 | benjamindees | so I suppose I'll try moving .bash_profile to .profile |
| 12:40.40 | snugglemonkey | is there a command to save your desktop layout without logging out? |
| 12:41.28 | canllaith | yes |
| 12:42.14 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: wow, you don't even show up on the online people for #kde in kopete. Weird. What is the command, if you don't mind my asking? |
| 12:42.17 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: dcop ksmserver ksmserver saveCurrentSession looks like it |
| 12:44.39 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: thanks for that. I built over this session, and weird things are happening. You have saved me from having to redo my desktop. :) |
| 12:44.51 | snugglemonkey | as I will need to restart, it looks like. |
| 12:44.52 | [Aura]kingwanja | im downloading flightgear here (bored) |
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| 12:49.51 | Flendor | Damnit |
| 12:49.57 | Flendor | Valentine Day's coming :( |
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| 12:54.19 | canllaith | wb snugglemonkey |
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| 12:54.50 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: thanks... you still don't show up on the kopete list for channel occupants. :( |
| 12:55.15 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: bizzare. |
| 12:55.15 | snugglemonkey | canllaith, I even restarted. |
| 12:55.28 | snugglemonkey | canllaith, oh well. |
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| 12:57.00 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: but you do show up on the "buddies" list in kopete. Crazy. |
| 12:57.09 | canllaith | buddies? :P |
| 12:57.12 | canllaith | oooook then |
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| 12:59.06 | canllaith | oh you have me on aim? :| |
| 13:01.21 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: Now, but since I added everyone after I had an established AOL account, the most logical category was "buddies." Lovers and Enemies didn't seem to fit you as well. :-D |
| 13:01.29 | snugglemonkey | /now/no/ |
| 13:01.40 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: I am deeply wounded |
| 13:01.47 | snugglemonkey | lol |
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| 13:05.10 | Flendor | Hello radio |
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| 13:06.15 | benjamindees | okay well now nothing works :( not .profile, not .bash_profile, but I've got to look at this later |
| 13:06.47 | benjamindees | canllaith, sarah03, thanks for all the help |
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| 13:07.03 | canllaith | yw |
| 13:07.07 | sarah03 | :) |
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| 13:08.18 | Skiver | hello |
| 13:08.20 | allllanon | I see several places that kmilo is the service that is supposed to bring up OSD messages, e.g. volume control. For me, it is running, but no OSD comes up? |
| 13:08.36 | allllanon | I want to see the volume plus/minus when changing volume in kmix |
| 13:08.52 | allllanon | any ideas where to configure? |
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| 13:09.00 | allllanon | 3.4 beta 1, btw. |
| 13:19.07 | [Aura]kingwanja | allllanon: you can set the volume when you open it |
| 13:20.40 | allllanon | I have assigned my MM keys on the keyboard to increase/decrease volume, and it works fine, but it does not show an OSD. I just want that. |
| 13:21.17 | allllanon | like the screenshot at http://www.kde.me.uk/index.php?page=kmilo |
| 13:22.20 | [Aura]kingwanja | i have different version sorry alll |
| 13:23.21 | edeca | Is kmilo a lineakd alternative? |
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| 13:24.18 | chugga | is there an official kde ftp client |
| 13:24.28 | edeca | chugga: Konqueror can handle it |
| 13:24.32 | edeca | chugga: As can any other KDE app, really |
| 13:24.46 | chugga | nah konq isnt working |
| 13:24.49 | chugga | something about SSL |
| 13:24.55 | canllaith | You can enable/disable this |
| 13:24.58 | allllanon | edeca: i dunno. never got lineakd to work. |
| 13:25.04 | allllanon | edeca: guess it is similar. |
| 13:25.09 | chugga | so there isnt a kftp? :-/ |
| 13:25.14 | edeca | chugga: Not that I know of |
| 13:25.18 | allllanon | you could try kbear |
| 13:25.19 | chugga | that sucks.. |
| 13:25.38 | allllanon | I used kbear before I accepted konqueror as my saviour. |
| 13:25.51 | chugga | its a damn browser tho |
| 13:26.19 | sarah03 | It's also a quite nice file browser. |
| 13:26.29 | chugga | not really ... |
| 13:26.37 | chugga | its slow, and it looks crap |
| 13:26.50 | chugga | and the icons are too small by default |
| 13:26.51 | chugga | etc |
| 13:26.59 | canllaith | you can change defaults |
| 13:27.15 | [Aura]kingwanja | the new knoq doesnt seem to have google search which is annoying for when i upgrade |
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| 13:27.20 | [Aura]kingwanja | konq* |
| 13:27.55 | sarah03 | I still use the commandline, myself. But that's out of habit [I started using Linux with a commandline; I started on computers with an Apple //e and BASIC, at the old ']' prompt; the commandline has always made more sense to me than trying to use a GUI tool to move files around.] |
| 13:28.53 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja: yes it does |
| 13:29.00 | [Aura]kingwanja | i have to do it the exciting way sarah and use gui , |
| 13:29.10 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja: the google toolbar is in kdeaddons |
| 13:29.21 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja: or you can use the url 'gg: stringtosearchfor' in the konqueror address bar |
| 13:29.25 | canllaith | or, the run box |
| 13:29.27 | [Aura]kingwanja | righteo |
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| 13:29.52 | [Aura]kingwanja | that gg command is not so cool |
| 13:29.58 | [Aura]kingwanja | for me * |
| 13:30.05 | chugga | oh well, konq isnt working and there isnt an alternative .. |
| 13:30.17 | canllaith | I like it because then it saves the history of all things I have searched for, like other urls in the drop down box |
| 13:30.18 | chugga | :( |
| 13:31.36 | [Aura]kingwanja | i just want the search line and typing in stuff just to get to it , does not create a natural rythym flow |
| 13:32.17 | canllaith | but then you have to type stuff into the search line |
| 13:32.34 | canllaith | If you prefer the seperate toolbar it is in kdeaddons. |
| 13:32.44 | canllaith | I don't see what is so hard about typing gg: what I want to search for though |
| 13:32.45 | Flendor | Good afternoon everyone. |
| 13:33.11 | [Aura]kingwanja | my hand are kind of limited in speed though , im not a natural keyboard typist/enthuisiast |
| 13:33.17 | canllaith | lol |
| 13:33.19 | canllaith | but when you get to the search bar |
| 13:33.21 | canllaith | you still have to type |
| 13:33.29 | sarah03 | Hell... I usually end up typing the full URL to the Google search page into the browser. |
| 13:33.42 | canllaith | :) yeah I should go to bed soon |
| 13:33.56 | anis | not soon..now :p |
| 13:34.10 | sarah03 | I should have gone to bed 2 hours ago, but I'm in no rush, either. |
| 13:34.14 | anis | heya kakak sarah! |
| 13:34.15 | anis | :p |
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| 13:34.24 | sarah03 | apt: lart anis |
| 13:34.33 | canllaith | oooh nasty. |
| 13:34.37 | sarah03 | Ow. |
| 13:34.54 | sarah03 | That's painful, just thinking about it. |
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| 13:35.12 | anis | ouch~! |
| 13:35.28 | [Aura]kingwanja | its 13.35 here ... i goto bed around 11pm normally , get up at about 7am |
| 13:35.31 | anis | canllaith: do u know how to install php in webhosting ? |
| 13:35.42 | sarah03 | The sad thing is I've got a full-height SCSI disk sitting here somewhere. |
| 13:35.43 | canllaith | Nope no idea about php we only use perl :) |
| 13:35.46 | sarah03 | I think it's like 20M. |
| 13:35.58 | anis | perl is also programming for website ? |
| 13:36.01 | sarah03 | And weighs a good 15lbs. |
| 13:36.09 | sarah03 | If not more like 25. |
| 13:36.13 | willwork4foo | how would one write an if statement in a ksh shell to see if a variable has ".content" at the end of it? I've tried: if [ $FILENAME == "*.content" ] |
| 13:36.15 | anis | sarah03: come here and buy new one :p |
| 13:36.17 | [Aura]kingwanja | anis: you could try #php and the other channels for that stuff |
| 13:36.17 | willwork4foo | but it doesn't seem to work |
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| 13:36.34 | sarah03 | anis: I don't have a SCSI controller, so it wouldn't matter. |
| 13:36.39 | anis | [Aura]kingwanja: thanks..i already read the manual...but im not good in reading |
| 13:37.28 | [Aura]kingwanja | yeah , im not a great reader , it makes me feel unsettled and i cant concentrate myself without wild thoughts running through my head :( |
| 13:37.41 | sarah03 | willwork4foo: echo $FILENAME | grep .content\$ >/dev/null 2>&1; if [ $? -eq 0 ] |
| 13:38.16 | canllaith | I would use grep yes |
| 13:39.44 | willwork4foo | that works fantastically |
| 13:39.47 | willwork4foo | thanks loads!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:40.16 | [Aura]kingwanja | i guess thats why im using linux now , kde came on the clouds like a messianic figure , curing the blind so that they shall see :D |
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| 13:42.40 | willwork4foo | :) |
| 13:42.54 | canllaith | ah yuck. Did you hit your wrist? |
| 13:43.30 | sarah03 | canllaith: That, and a mild friction burn on my right cheek, and my right leg is somewhat sore as well. |
| 13:43.40 | sarah03 | I think I landed on my wrist. |
| 13:43.58 | canllaith | aw poor wrist :( |
| 13:43.59 | sarah03 | It doesn't really hurt all that much, until I start moving it about. |
| 13:44.02 | [Aura]kingwanja | sarah03: how did you manage that , was it the wine ? |
| 13:44.05 | canllaith | (and cheek and leg) |
| 13:44.15 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja: for gods sake, have some maturity and tact |
| 13:44.29 | [Aura]kingwanja | ok beer ? |
| 13:44.43 | willwork4foo | [Aura]kingwanja: no. not alcohol related. |
| 13:44.46 | willwork4foo | twit. |
| 13:44.47 | sarah03 | [Aura]kingwanja: I was on the light rail train here, going out to get myself coffee. Had a seizure about 5 minutes into the ride. |
| 13:45.06 | sarah03 | No, it's not alcohol related. I was sober at about 8:30, which is when it happened. |
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| 13:45.13 | sarah03 | 8:30PM PST, anyway. |
| 13:45.46 | [Aura]kingwanja | i see , didnt know , sorry about upsetting the senstive , |
| 13:46.23 | sarah03 | I woke up in an ambulance [which I couldn't afford], on my way to the hospital [which I couldn't afford], where they prescribed me medication for the seizures [that I can't afford], and wanted to do an xray on my wrist [which I couldn't afford, and as far as I can tell, didn't need]. |
| 13:47.16 | anis | sarah03: how old are ya sista ? |
| 13:47.32 | sarah03 | anis: I'll be 23 in a little more than 2 weeks. |
| 13:47.53 | anis | sarah03: ah so young and expert in linux |
| 13:48.59 | [Aura]kingwanja | you`ll be ok sarah \o |
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| 13:49.44 | jaune | hi |
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| 13:53.25 | StevenR | anyone know a kde app to create a gantt chart? |
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| 13:54.15 | [Aura]kingwanja | gantt chart , hmm new to me |
| 13:54.34 | jaune | StevenR: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14021 ? |
| 13:54.56 | [Aura]kingwanja | or try google is the best bet |
| 13:55.02 | StevenR | jaune == star :) |
| 13:55.11 | StevenR | ty jaune |
| 13:55.53 | willwork4foo | http://www.pastebin.com/233666 |
| 13:55.59 | willwork4foo | my script I've just written. |
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| 13:56.04 | willwork4foo | in case anyone would ever find it useful. |
| 13:56.19 | jaune | StevenR: If you use it, tell me about, I'll need a tool to do gantt chart today :) |
| 13:56.34 | willwork4foo | (thanks loads to people for their help |
| 13:56.46 | StevenR | jaune: i need to do a chart for my poject |
| 13:56.50 | StevenR | *project |
| 13:58.17 | canllaith | heh wow |
| 13:58.22 | canllaith | that 's very.... |
| 13:58.51 | canllaith | well |
| 13:58.56 | canllaith | hang on |
| 13:59.00 | canllaith | why are you catting something to grep? |
| 13:59.12 | canllaith | that is really uncessary use of cat (and really the whole thing could be reduced to a one liner) |
| 13:59.40 | sarah03 | It is an unnecessary use of cat; yet it's something I do all the time out of habit. |
| 13:59.46 | jaune | StevenR: taskjuggler (http://www.taskjuggler.org/ide.php) seems to be better |
| 13:59.52 | canllaith | sarah03: I have just trained myself out of that one |
| 14:00.11 | StevenR | jaune: gonna try that maybe too :) |
| 14:00.24 | sarah03 | canllaith: I think I'm going to keep doing it that way, too. More because it's easier to change your grep arguments if you aren't going back over the filename every time you want to change them. |
| 14:00.37 | canllaith | sarah03: to me it does seem logical too |
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| 14:00.46 | canllaith | to put the filename first, arguments later |
| 14:00.51 | canllaith | look in this file, for that. |
| 14:00.53 | canllaith | Makes sense |
| 14:01.19 | sarah03 | It does, until you consider that grep can go through multiple files. |
| 14:01.57 | canllaith | The only time I generally do that is grepping through sources, in which case I tend to just do * |
| 14:02.10 | canllaith | there are heaps of other places you'd do that of course |
| 14:02.23 | canllaith | (multiple files) but yeah, that's the only time do it. |
| 14:02.25 | grepper | great, my printer feeder looks like its decided to die |
| 14:02.38 | grepper | I was printing out my tax stuff, is this a bad omen ? |
| 14:02.52 | canllaith | hehehe definitely |
| 14:03.09 | grepper | seems my printer can't swallow this stuff any better than me ;) |
| 14:03.48 | grepper | damn, that's money I was going to spend on a mobo/processor :( |
| 14:03.56 | canllaith | aw maybe you can fix it |
| 14:04.10 | grepper | kick it ? |
| 14:04.17 | grepper | I wouldn't know what to do |
| 14:04.55 | grepper | I may kick it anyway |
| 14:08.13 | lippel | yuk! i tried to start gnome and now i am stuck in twm. |
| 14:08.26 | lippel | that's a sign |
| 14:08.31 | canllaith | hahaha yes it is |
| 14:09.16 | lippel | someone told me in some forum he really uses twm. i can't believe that. |
| 14:09.45 | canllaith | i only use it if there is nothing else |
| 14:10.03 | lippel | i mean, there are icewm, firefox, fvwm2. |
| 14:10.33 | lippel | when i try to start metacity, it does nothing and hangs. |
| 14:10.34 | sarah03 | When did Firefox become a window manager? |
| 14:10.44 | lippel | heh |
| 14:10.47 | lippel | fluxbox |
| 14:11.05 | lippel | starts with f and end with ox ;-) |
| 14:11.55 | canllaith | hmmm akregator lost my settings |
| 14:11.57 | canllaith | how peculiar |
| 14:12.15 | lippel | canllaith: settings or feeds? |
| 14:12.38 | canllaith | lippel: I have not customised the settings at all, so I do not know |
| 14:12.51 | lippel | so you feeds are lost?? |
| 14:12.55 | canllaith | all I did was add a feed for planetkde.org (I thought that was on there by default?) |
| 14:12.56 | canllaith | yes |
| 14:13.07 | canllaith | only one I had added, and it is gone. There is nothing left :\ |
| 14:13.17 | lippel | and what's now? empty list or the default list? |
| 14:13.24 | canllaith | the default list was empty |
| 14:13.32 | canllaith | this is a brand new user and there was nothing in the default list |
| 14:13.36 | lippel | uh. |
| 14:13.49 | canllaith | so, now it is an empty list. |
| 14:14.45 | lippel | could you "ls -l $KDEHOME/share/apps/akregator/data/feeds.opml"? |
| 14:15.11 | canllaith | it does not exist |
| 14:15.46 | lippel | hmm, do you use recent cvs? danimo changed some path, maybe he broke something.. |
| 14:15.56 | canllaith | Yes cvs up just over an hour ago |
| 14:16.19 | canllaith | should I try to remove that folder and see if akregator recreates it? |
| 14:16.37 | lippel | i'll check. i have another user, whose feedlist gets corrupted every day or so.. but the feeds.opml is 0 bytes then. |
| 14:16.49 | lippel | and he's only one who reported it, using 3.4 beta1. |
| 14:16.57 | canllaith | mm ok |
| 14:17.21 | lippel | canllaith: no, actually it should create feeds.opml and fill it with standard feeds. |
| 14:17.31 | canllaith | I thought so |
| 14:18.00 | lippel | i'll check. i have to switch back to kde, this twm is unbearable. |
| 14:18.04 | canllaith | heh |
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| 14:22.57 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: what version of kopete are you using? |
| 14:23.04 | canllaith | cvs head as of 10 minute ago |
| 14:23.05 | canllaith | well |
| 14:23.09 | canllaith | actually right now I am using gaim |
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| 14:23.44 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: after you recompile, do you have to exit KDE and perhaps reboot? |
| 14:23.59 | canllaith | No |
| 14:24.07 | snugglemonkey | hm. |
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| 14:24.32 | lippel | canllaith: there wasn't an error message, was there? |
| 14:24.37 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: I think I might recompile Kopete then. It is acting super weird... everything else is fine. |
| 14:24.39 | canllaith | lippel: nah |
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| 14:26.53 | Barbelos | Have a slight problem with Konqueror as filemanager. It does not automatically update the view of a directory. For example, when I extract an archive I have to hit refresh before I can see it in the directory |
| 14:27.22 | Barbelos | Can't find the correct settings... |
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| 14:36.54 | lippel | canllaith: i can confirm that bug. |
| 14:37.47 | canllaith | lippel: ok then. Is there anything I can do to fix it/help troubleshoot ? |
| 14:38.58 | lippel | canllaith: it think i can track it down. printf debugging leads to strange results though. |
| 14:39.08 | canllaith | :) |
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| 14:42.57 | willwork4foo | heya canllaith - if I want this find command to run: find . -type f -name '*.content' but I want to avoid entering any directories with "SCCS" in the name, I've tried using this one: find . -type f -name '*.content' -not -name '*/SCCS/*' |
| 14:43.01 | willwork4foo | and it doesn't work |
| 14:43.10 | willwork4foo | it still looks in the SCCS directories |
| 14:43.14 | willwork4foo | any ideas at all? |
| 14:43.19 | willwork4foo | I'm a bit stumped. |
| 14:45.27 | lippel | debugging this, i wonder why akregator works at all |
| 14:45.27 | sarah03 | 'min find': '-name: Base of the filename (the path with the leading directories removed) ...' |
| 14:45.36 | sarah03 | Feh, s/min/man/ |
| 14:47.39 | willwork4foo | sarah03: I don't see how that's going to help me to stop this script looking in directories named "SCCS". |
| 14:48.28 | sarah03 | Try: 'find . -type f -name '*.content'-not path '../SCCS/*.content' |
| 14:48.41 | willwork4foo | http://www.pastebin.com/233687 |
| 14:48.47 | willwork4foo | sarah03: there's the full script. |
| 14:49.02 | willwork4foo | I've tried both those find commands |
| 14:49.05 | sarah03 | Meaning 'match files named *.content whose parent directory is not SCCS' |
| 14:49.08 | willwork4foo | (the one that's commented out) |
| 14:49.50 | sarah03 | Yeah, it's the fact that you're doing -name, not -path. |
| 14:50.30 | sarah03 | -path checks to see if the file in question matches the path specified in the argument. |
| 14:51.32 | sarah03 | soulreaper: 'find . -path SCCS/*.content' would find every file in an SCCS directory named *.content; 'find . -name '*.content' -not -path '../SCCS/*.content' would find files named *.content not contained in an SCCS directory. |
| 14:51.38 | sarah03 | Feh. |
| 14:51.44 | sarah03 | Silly autocompletion. |
| 14:51.44 | sarah03 | :) |
| 14:51.51 | sarah03 | s/soulreaper/so/ |
| 14:52.20 | willwork4foo | ah ok |
| 14:53.10 | sarah03 | Or, specifically, whose parent directory is not named 'SCCS'. |
| 14:55.43 | willwork4foo | still doesn't work. |
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| 14:56.24 | willwork4foo | hmm |
| 14:56.59 | willwork4foo | revised script at http://www.pastebin.com/233689 |
| 14:57.04 | willwork4foo | and I don't see what the problem is now. |
| 14:58.20 | StevenR | I'm trying to compile taskjuggler cvs...but make fails with the following: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ERYJ8G29.html |
| 14:58.46 | jaune | StevenR: taskjuggler compile on my computer |
| 14:58.54 | annma | StevenR: where is taskjuggler exactly? |
| 14:58.59 | StevenR | annma: ? |
| 14:59.14 | StevenR | jaune: the cvs version? |
| 14:59.22 | annma | in what cvs? |
| 14:59.46 | jaune | StevenR: Yes, downloaded from kde-apps.org |
| 15:00.03 | StevenR | annma: http://www.taskjuggler.org/ide.php |
| 15:00.37 | annma | StevenR: is there #include <stdlib.h> in the ktjview2view.cpp file? |
| 15:01.16 | ponto | or better: #include <cstdlib> |
| 15:01.45 | sarah03 | willwork4foo: Try './*/SCCS/*.content' instead... it seems to want to work off of pwd. |
| 15:02.45 | StevenR | annma: #include <unistd.h> #include <string.h> are the only system includes.. excluding local,qt,kde etc |
| 15:02.56 | annma | add the one I said |
| 15:03.14 | annma | some compilers don't need it but other do |
| 15:03.19 | annma | others |
| 15:03.26 | willwork4foo | sarah03: find . -type d -not -name 'SCCS' | xargs -ireplace-str find replace-str -type f -name '*.content' -maxdepth 1 |
| 15:03.29 | willwork4foo | that works. |
| 15:03.29 | sarah03 | So the '../SCCS/foo' was looking in the parent directory [of `pwd`] for 'foo' |
| 15:03.44 | StevenR | annma: ok...it's making...doing some test thingy...let you know when it's done.. Thanks. |
| 15:03.52 | sarah03 | I would have done 'find . -type f -name '*.content' | grep -f SCCS' myself. |
| 15:03.59 | ponto | #include <string.h> is also deprecated. |
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| 15:05.52 | lippel | canllaith: should be fixed now. |
| 15:06.00 | canllaith | lippel: so quickly, wow :) |
| 15:07.25 | StevenR | annma: that was it, make complete.... Thanks again |
| 15:07.32 | annma | you're welcome |
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| 15:10.02 | jaune | annma: There's is these uggly difference in different gcc versions? |
| 15:10.35 | annma | jaune: newest are stricter in that matter |
| 15:10.47 | annma | ugly, not really |
| 15:11.06 | annma | some people still uses gcc 2.95 when 4.0 is nearly out |
| 15:11.15 | annma | taht explains the gap |
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| 15:11.24 | jaune | ok |
| 15:11.34 | jaune | as if gcc 2.95 begins to be deprecated |
| 15:11.59 | annma | in kde source we have people testing compilation for all gcc versions |
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| 15:13.13 | jaune | isn't it libstdc++ the worse for kde compilation? |
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| 15:22.17 | vanRijn | re, all |
| 15:22.57 | vanRijn | is there a better channel to use for asking questions about proxy settings in konqueror? |
| 15:24.08 | StevenR | no...here is good |
| 15:24.44 | vanRijn | okay, well, I can't for the life of me figure out how to get konqueror (all of KDE) working with my SOCKS proxy. |
| 15:25.21 | vanRijn | I've checked "direct connection to internet" in the proxy tab and "enable SOCKS" on the SOCKS tab and have added /lib/libsocks.so as the custom library to use, and "test" reports success. |
| 15:25.32 | vanRijn | but still, konqueror (and everything else) does not use my SOCKS proxy. |
| 15:26.08 | vanRijn | if I run "socksify lynx http://google.com", it works |
| 15:27.15 | vanRijn | however, "socksify konqueror" or "socksify kopete" does NOT work, nor does just using the proxy settings in kcontrol. And yes, I've logged out of KDE and back in again, and it still doesn't look. |
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| 15:33.19 | anis | can anyone suggest me any apps for ftp client ? i already use gftp..but i want others than it |
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| 15:39.22 | [Aura]kingwanja | A Kmusic composer would be most kool for music sequencer and loops etc , fruity style |
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| 15:43.30 | rombeh | anis: Kbear? |
| 15:45.20 | vanRijn | help? |
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| 15:45.58 | [Aura]kingwanja | anis: smb4k |
| 15:47.53 | anis | i try with IglooFTP |
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| 15:50.56 | PWE | Hi, does somebody here have experience with artsd and network sound support? |
| 15:51.15 | PWE | Will it work without X11 or am I missing something? |
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| 16:03.46 | auTONYmous | can anybody here help with setting up KDE 3.3.2 on AMD64...I'm having a devil of a time with a couple of things |
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| 16:11.28 | [Aura]kingwanja | #pov |
| 16:12.04 | vanRijn | does nobody else use konqueror with a SOCKS proxy?? |
| 16:12.34 | canllaith | vanRijn: none of the regulars are here right now |
| 16:12.37 | canllaith | try the mailing list |
| 16:13.10 | vanRijn | k |
| 16:13.15 | vanRijn | which ML? |
| 16:13.23 | canllaith | kde, kde-linux depends |
| 16:13.26 | canllaith | have a look on kde.org |
| 16:13.41 | [Aura]kingwanja | i was going to pop a question , does anyone know how to start povray ? |
| 16:14.27 | [Aura]kingwanja | canllaith: for christmas im going to buy you a 4 poster bed |
| 16:14.37 | canllaith | mmm why is that ? |
| 16:14.53 | [Aura]kingwanja | so you can get a good night sleep |
| 16:16.12 | canllaith | heh |
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| 16:16.48 | [Aura]kingwanja | \o/ |
| 16:17.48 | Delemas | Uhm anyone know why kded would be running at 100% of a cpu on an idle box? |
| 16:18.49 | [Aura]kingwanja | canllaith: if we were in the future in a matrix typed world , you could plug your circuits into me while i absorb your linux skills and take over the help the others duties , but as we are not .... Can someone help me to start Pov Ray ... HELP !!! |
| 16:20.24 | [Aura]kingwanja | Delemas: well have you checked the bios .. also you are not overclocking your graphics card ? |
| 16:21.16 | Delemas | No bios settings have changed in months. heavens no I'm an engineer. I don't overclock things. |
| 16:21.53 | vanRijn | garrrr |
| 16:22.05 | vanRijn | I have wasted far too much time trying to get SOCKS working with konqueror |
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| 16:25.24 | [Aura]kingwanja | Delemas: run system guard monitor and check other software , keep monitoring ... make sure your not in root , check ports etc ... hardware |
| 16:25.28 | StarScream | question, i have some jpg's which i have copied from my digital camera. I can view some of them fine in kde/quickshow/konq etc...others just turn up black |
| 16:25.37 | StarScream | anyone know why this occurs? |
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| 16:26.20 | canllaith | vanRijn: did you ask the mailing list? |
| 16:26.34 | StevenR | StarScream: maybe over the preview size...are the black ones larger in file size? |
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| 16:27.02 | StarScream | StevenR: yeh they're quite large, but this shouldn't affect kuickshow should it? |
| 16:27.21 | StevenR | StarScream: maybe you had the lens cap on? |
| 16:27.42 | StarScream | StevenR: haha nah they open in gimp fine :) |
| 16:27.57 | StevenR | StarScream: dunno then...possibly a bug |
| 16:28.24 | StarScream | hmm they seem to display ok in konq so i guess it doesn't matter a whole heap |
| 16:29.09 | vanRijn | canllaith: I'm not on the kde or kde-linux mailing lists |
| 16:29.18 | canllaith | vanRijn: you can easily fix that :) |
| 16:29.24 | vanRijn | canllaith: I'm on the kdepim-users and kde-pim list. :) |
| 16:29.27 | vanRijn | yeah, I know |
| 16:29.38 | vanRijn | was hoping for a quicker solution |
| 16:30.05 | canllaith | well no-one is here, it's like 5am where I am |
| 16:30.32 | vanRijn | heh |
| 16:31.40 | [Aura]kingwanja | IT can lead to bad health , always make sure that there is a workout bench next to pc and on other side a bed (in canllaiths case) |
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| 16:43.10 | Theory | can the workout bench and bed be combined? |
| 16:43.19 | canllaith | not while my b/f is sleeping no |
| 16:43.23 | canllaith | <grin> |
| 16:44.14 | [Aura]kingwanja | i need the bench for sure , when you reach mid 30s , the shape starts to go .. fsat |
| 16:44.22 | [Aura]kingwanja | fast* |
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| 16:46.21 | Julianyus | hi |
| 16:46.30 | willwork4foo | canllaith: been to sleep yet during this "day" ? |
| 16:46.34 | canllaith | um no |
| 16:46.45 | canllaith | and I prolly wont since andrew will wake up in an hour and want me to come with him to chch |
| 16:46.53 | willwork4foo | alias day="a period of 24 hours starting and ending whenever you want it to" |
| 16:47.18 | willwork4foo | oh dearie dearie me. |
| 16:47.26 | willwork4foo | hey guess what - you know that script I was working on? |
| 16:47.49 | canllaith | mmm? :) |
| 16:47.58 | [Aura]kingwanja | canllaith: when you change your sleeping habbits to normal , it will take awhile for you to adapt , just to let you know it happened to me |
| 16:48.02 | willwork4foo | it works absolutely flawlessly and fabulously. |
| 16:48.06 | willwork4foo | on a linux machine. |
| 16:48.17 | willwork4foo | however, on the Solaris 8 machine it's supposed to run on, all is not so rosy. |
| 16:48.58 | willwork4foo | Sun's "find" is different from GNU "find". |
| 16:49.09 | willwork4foo | and Sun's "find" doesn't know about the -not option. |
| 16:49.13 | [Aura]kingwanja | damn when i made the switch to sleeping normal , i was thinking about computers in bed , the brain doesnt shut down . |
| 16:49.15 | canllaith | ooooooh. |
| 16:49.24 | willwork4foo | [Aura]kingwanja: sleeping what? |
| 16:49.27 | willwork4foo | normal? |
| 16:49.30 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja: lol define normal |
| 16:49.30 | [Aura]kingwanja | yeah |
| 16:49.40 | canllaith | I spent quite a while getting up at 5am for military breakfast |
| 16:49.40 | willwork4foo | nothing comes back |
| 16:49.43 | canllaith | going to bed at midnight |
| 16:49.46 | canllaith | working out every morning |
| 16:49.59 | canllaith | I sleep as much as I need to, when I need to. |
| 16:50.14 | [Aura]kingwanja | normal is bed at 11 pm and up at 6-7am |
| 16:50.27 | canllaith | mmmm that is your definition of normal |
| 16:50.33 | canllaith | it does not conform to mine |
| 16:50.37 | vanRijn | that's not normal |
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| 16:50.59 | vanRijn | bed at midnight && up at 7 is normal |
| 16:51.01 | [Aura]kingwanja | errr no that is normal as the body regenerates at night |
| 16:51.15 | vanRijn | if I was smart, that would be normal for me |
| 16:51.18 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja: actually, the hours between 12 and 3 are most important |
| 16:51.19 | vanRijn | I'm not smart, however. |
| 16:51.28 | vanRijn | I stay up far too late and wake up far too less-rested |
| 16:51.31 | canllaith | so really 11 - 7 or 12 - 5 it makes no difference. |
| 16:51.56 | canllaith | at any rate, I simply work on a longer schedule than you do. My internal body clock when it is left to it's own devices likes to be awake for 24 hours then asleep for 10. |
| 16:51.57 | [Aura]kingwanja | it does because those are the hours of deep rem |
| 16:53.19 | [Aura]kingwanja | but what do i know - im only going by experience and scientific proof |
| 16:53.40 | vanRijn | GAH! |
| 16:53.41 | vanRijn | finally |
| 16:53.42 | vanRijn | got it |
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| 16:54.17 | canllaith | lol |
| 16:54.42 | canllaith | vanRijn: Her. |
| 16:54.45 | [Aura]kingwanja | lolol |
| 16:54.48 | vanRijn | er |
| 16:54.48 | vanRijn | sorry |
| 16:54.51 | canllaith | heh |
| 16:55.14 | vanRijn | GOSH, this needs to be documented better!! |
| 16:55.14 | [Aura]kingwanja | canllaith: maybe you should change your name to betty , lol |
| 16:55.20 | vanRijn | heh |
| 16:55.26 | canllaith | heh am I in any programming related channels before I do this... |
| 16:55.47 | KDE_Gurl | There we go. |
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| 16:55.54 | bock | how stable is kde 2.4? |
| 16:55.59 | bock | 3.4 I ment |
| 16:56.06 | KDE_Gurl | bock: pretty damn stable |
| 16:56.08 | Delemas | [Aura]kingwanja: What I need is some way to figure out what the heck that process is doing. Documentation is non-existant. I'm already watching it in top. Unless I'm missing something system guard monitor doesn't give me anything more than gkrellm. I guess I'll try an strace... |
| 16:56.09 | KDE_Gurl | I use it day to day |
| 16:56.10 | vanRijn | hah |
| 16:56.17 | vanRijn | 3.4 is really, really really nice |
| 16:56.40 | vanRijn | though I wish they'd use the same mouseover eye-candy that they used on kicker with ALL tooltips instead of the hideous yellow square ones. |
| 16:56.47 | bock | ok since my distro has seperate pakages for every app, its really nice |
| 16:57.05 | vanRijn | KDE_Gurl: http://canllaith.deviantart.com/ <- that you? |
| 16:57.12 | KDE_Gurl | vanRijn: aye sure is |
| 16:57.19 | vanRijn | nice. :) |
| 16:57.20 | KDE_Gurl | although I have not posted anything in a while |
| 16:57.25 | KDE_Gurl | I should put the pic of me and my b/f up there |
| 16:57.48 | grivell | You just crushed him ;) |
| 16:58.10 | vanRijn | yep, especially now that you have a nick that will attract boys like mosquitoes to a light |
| 16:58.15 | KDE_Gurl | heh |
| 16:58.27 | KDE_Gurl | damn what is my DA password |
| 16:58.28 | vanRijn | I have been beating my head against the wall for this for 3 days. |
| 16:58.39 | grivell | lol |
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| 16:58.52 | vanRijn | now that the beating has stopped, it feels good. :) |
| 16:59.35 | KDE_Gurl | heh someone posted a comment woot |
| 17:00.10 | [Aura]kingwanja | Delemas: have you checled the process table in system gaurd , it should tell you all the software you have running and it point what is chewing on the cpu . |
| 17:00.16 | [Aura]kingwanja | checked* |
| 17:00.50 | KDE_Gurl | gosh darn |
| 17:00.54 | KDE_Gurl | konqueror is soooo unstable atm |
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| 17:01.00 | KDE_Gurl | constant segmentation faults |
| 17:01.13 | KDE_Gurl | (don't panic cvs head) |
| 17:01.13 | [Aura]kingwanja | huh konq is the best of the rest |
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| 17:01.25 | KDE_Gurl | [Aura]kingwanja: are you using cvs head from 2 hours ago? |
| 17:01.31 | KDE_Gurl | cause if not, you don't know what you're talkin about :) |
| 17:01.51 | vanRijn | heh |
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| 17:02.46 | grivell | ok KDE_Gurl, I have a personal question. What is a macro? (photography) |
| 17:03.03 | KDE_Gurl | grivell: macro photography is when you are working at a 1:1 ratio or closer |
| 17:03.05 | [Aura]kingwanja | well some of the time i dont , but dont let that fool you because some things i do :) |
| 17:03.10 | KDE_Gurl | so basically close up shots of very small things, that blow them up very large |
| 17:03.47 | grivell | Ahh! My digital camera has macro mode, it came out blurry ;) So I guess I did it wrong hehe. I have to be close eh? |
| 17:04.14 | KDE_Gurl | yeah and you have to be real careful with the focus |
| 17:04.21 | KDE_Gurl | my camera has an excellent macro mode, it's just fantastic |
| 17:04.29 | KDE_Gurl | it is a bit weak on colour balance though :\ |
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| 17:04.49 | grivell | arg. Medication making me drowsy. (rotator cup problem). good night all. Thanks for the photo lessons KDE_Gurl! |
| 17:04.49 | [Aura]kingwanja | ok then KDE_Gurl , what is a 35mm camera :P |
| 17:05.10 | KDE_Gurl | a standard film camera |
| 17:05.26 | KDE_Gurl | Well, a type of standard film camera |
| 17:05.34 | [Aura]kingwanja | no .... a camera that is 35mm long :P |
| 17:06.08 | Delemas | [Aura]kingwanja: That gives me basically the same info: kded is running as myself at 100%. The command is described as kdeinit: kded. |
| 17:06.29 | [Aura]kingwanja | i have a dig cam also 4mp 3xopt 6xdig zoom |
| 17:06.39 | KDE_Gurl | Mine is 3.2MP |
| 17:06.52 | KDE_Gurl | Sony, they have excellent quality lenses, gives you a really sharp image |
| 17:06.55 | vanRijn | dangit |
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| 17:07.20 | [Aura]kingwanja | even better i got mine for £75 |
| 17:07.33 | KDE_Gurl | mmm mine was a fair bit more I think |
| 17:08.11 | [Aura]kingwanja | i look for value and quality to get the best deal |
| 17:09.26 | KDE_Gurl | I look for quality and quality and only quality. |
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| 17:10.34 | [Aura]kingwanja | the main thing is , can you take a mean photo |
| 17:10.39 | [Aura]kingwanja | oooh poooey |
| 17:10.52 | [Aura]kingwanja | damn i have to give a drum lesson now |
| 17:10.54 | KDE_Gurl | photograph is me second favourite hobby. |
| 17:10.56 | KDE_Gurl | s/me/my/ |
| 17:11.09 | KDE_Gurl | there we go :) new deviation submitted |
| 17:11.30 | [Aura]kingwanja | drummer is my first passion and im a bit late |
| 17:11.36 | [Aura]kingwanja | see you later all \o |
| 17:11.54 | _poison | KDE_Gurl: where ? *g* |
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| 17:12.14 | KDE_Gurl | lol _poison |
| 17:12.24 | KDE_Gurl | http://canllaith.deviantart.com/ |
| 17:13.04 | canllaith | and lets go upload a fancy looking kde 3.4 beta screenshot |
| 17:13.09 | canllaith | :P |
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| 17:14.15 | canllaith | yeah it does sorry :( |
| 17:14.35 | _poison | canllaith: nice photos though ^^ |
| 17:14.39 | canllaith | heh ty |
| 17:15.21 | canllaith | the stuff from my old camera (oldest 3) is absolutey terrible |
| 17:15.33 | canllaith | heh and there are pics of andrew molesting some ducks in the scrapbook |
| 17:16.50 | _poison | lol ^^ |
| 17:16.59 | canllaith | they soooooo cute :) (the duckies) |
| 17:17.30 | canllaith | I have none of those :( |
| 17:17.46 | _poison | had 13 .... until I moved away from home =/ |
| 17:18.43 | Delemas | Oh well whatever it was doing it isn't anymore.. I just killed kded... |
| 17:18.46 | _poison | canllaith: your using flux =O |
| 17:18.48 | _poison | ? |
| 17:18.51 | _poison | *g* |
| 17:18.56 | canllaith | _poison: no that was a looong time ago |
| 17:19.09 | canllaith | I had my account at DA before I started contributing to KDE |
| 17:19.19 | _poison | ^^ |
| 17:19.34 | lippel | the default xmms skin sucks |
| 17:19.47 | _poison | lippel: then get yourself another ^^ |
| 17:19.53 | canllaith | i like it |
| 17:20.01 | lippel | canllaith: no, it's in your screenshot. |
| 17:20.17 | canllaith | yes, I know. I like it :) |
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| 17:22.00 | _poison | weee ... xfce 4.2 can also start the kde services =D |
| 17:22.15 | kofrad | How can I save my konqueror bookmarks into a file? Or is there a file where they are all stored so I save them onto another hd while I format? |
| 17:22.22 | canllaith | yep |
| 17:22.25 | Theory | urgh, what is with latex not supporting filenames containing spaces? |
| 17:22.27 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.31 | canllaith | the bookmarks file is in there |
| 17:22.47 | _poison | Theory: is is ... |
| 17:22.58 | _poison | *it is |
| 17:23.17 | _poison | this\ file\ has\ spaces |
| 17:23.19 | _poison | *g* |
| 17:23.36 | Theory | theo@kiss:~/SPS/Sociology/Lectures/Lent$ latex 01\ -\ Media\ and\ Public\ Life.tex |
| 17:23.42 | Theory | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.58 | grivell | canllaith: http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/ Whats with the "even windows has a use?" Am I missing something? |
| 17:24.07 | canllaith | grivell: ssh sessions dude |
| 17:24.13 | canllaith | heh my laptop broke |
| 17:24.21 | canllaith | and i was stuck writing KDE docbook in windows xp for a week |
| 17:24.23 | _poison | Theory: in double quotes ? |
| 17:24.30 | Theory | _poison: same |
| 17:24.35 | _poison | =/ |
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| 17:25.05 | grivell | lol I see. |
| 17:25.22 | canllaith | grivell: so I was doing all my work and hobbies via ssh. How did you find that url btw, is it on google? |
| 17:25.36 | grivell | ;-P I'll never tell. |
| 17:25.40 | canllaith | heh I am just curious |
| 17:26.30 | fred87 | what icons are they? |
| 17:26.32 | fred87 | some new crystal? |
| 17:27.50 | fred87 | i really wish you hadn't called the kicker screeny "sexy.png" |
| 17:27.52 | fred87 | that makes it filtered. |
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| 17:32.26 | canllaith | fred87: huh ? |
| 17:32.35 | canllaith | oh lol meh so don't look at it |
| 17:33.08 | canllaith | fred87: it is just the new tooltips lol |
| 17:33.34 | fred87 | new tooltips?! |
| 17:33.37 | canllaith | on kicker |
| 17:33.45 | fred87 | hmm i've not seen them... |
| 17:34.35 | _poison | this isn't possible =( ... what exactly does one have to do so konqi doesn't watch a dir anymore ? I have to close it all the time to unmount my usbstick ... |
| 17:36.19 | grivell | _poison: kill fam maybe ;) |
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| 17:43.55 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: is there somewhere I can check to see if there are people having trouble compiling a certain package? |
| 17:44.06 | canllaith | often they post to the mailing lists if so |
| 17:44.14 | snugglemonkey | ah. k. |
| 17:44.29 | snugglemonkey | I will update and then try again. |
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| 17:45.06 | canllaith | lol actually |
| 17:45.12 | canllaith | I think someone did complain of kdeedu in the last 24 hours |
| 17:45.56 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: Yeah, buc webdev and sdk also borked. When it's all done, i will look for each reason. |
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| 17:46.50 | _poison | kill -9 `lsof -F p +D /mnt/usbstick/|grep -o -P '[0-9]+'|uniq` |
| 17:46.53 | _poison | =D |
| 17:47.02 | _poison | <- psycho ^^ |
| 17:47.08 | snugglemonkey | hello annma. thanks for your help the other day. |
| 17:47.49 | annma | hi! |
| 17:47.55 | annma | how are you doing? |
| 17:48.03 | snugglemonkey | annma: moving foward. |
| 17:48.10 | annma | :) |
| 17:48.48 | snugglemonkey | annma: sort of slowly, but forward. Fewer errors in the various packages each time I try. Flushing by cvs clean did WONDEers. :) |
| 17:49.01 | annma | :) |
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| 17:50.10 | snugglemonkey | Is "icon zoom" going to be part of kde3.4? |
| 17:50.42 | _poison | off to work |
| 17:50.43 | _poison | c ya |
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| 17:51.54 | PhilRod | snugglemonkey: if you mean that nice new 'tooltip'-like icon zooming on the panel, then yes |
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| 17:52.46 | snugglemonkey | PhilRod: I noticed teh added "bling" for tool tips, wondered about the "old and dusty" mouse over the icon and it gets bigger - icon zooming. :) |
| 17:53.23 | PhilRod | doubt it - I think the maintainer said the code was ugly, as was the effect |
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| 17:53.29 | snugglemonkey | PhilRod: The new tool tips actually come through on a thin client nicely. It doesn't eat bandwidth too much at all. |
| 17:54.00 | PhilRod | good stuff :-) |
| 17:54.25 | PhilRod | remote X11 ROCKS, but it's such a bandwidth hog |
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| 17:54.52 | snugglemonkey | PhilRod: Try NX, it is doing great. avg of 7k/s |
| 17:55.57 | PhilRod | I keep planning to :-) |
| 17:56.12 | PhilRod | I had the hardsell on it from Kurt Pfeifle at aKademy |
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| 17:56.34 | DexterF | hi |
| 17:56.36 | snugglemonkey | PhilRod: Kurt helped me get it to work with 3.4, if you want to client in, you are welcome to try it. |
| 17:56.38 | humbolt | why the hell is quanta freaking out processor usage wise when I use shift cursor to mark text passages (syntay highlighting = script/php-html |
| 17:57.01 | DexterF | in the bottom right corner of konqueror there's a checkbox - what does it do? |
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| 18:11.57 | canllaith | heh |
| 18:12.10 | canllaith | seems changing screen res while running xcompmgr and the pretty drop shadows crashes X |
| 18:12.16 | canllaith | who would have thought?:P |
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| 18:17.33 | Borg^Queen | Hey people |
| 18:17.38 | Borg^Queen | Hey it's Larry the Cow |
| 18:17.44 | larry_cow | no |
| 18:17.45 | Borg^Queen | Hey man, nice distro |
| 18:17.47 | larry_cow | it's larry cow |
| 18:17.50 | larry_cow | no "the" ;) |
| 18:17.51 | Borg^Queen | Sorry |
| 18:17.56 | larry_cow | (but nice distro, I agree) |
| 18:17.58 | Borg^Queen | Touch bovin |
| 18:18.03 | larry_cow | hello, by the way |
| 18:18.04 | Borg^Queen | touchy |
| 18:18.07 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 18:18.35 | Borg^Queen | Anyway, I have a an app I want to know the version of via the commandline. How do I call up that info? |
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| 18:18.48 | larry_cow | ./yourapp --version? |
| 18:18.51 | Borg^Queen | Thanks |
| 18:18.55 | larry_cow | or -v |
| 18:18.56 | larry_cow | depends |
| 18:18.57 | Borg^Queen | let me try |
| 18:19.03 | larry_cow | try --help before if you wanna be sure |
| 18:19.21 | Borg^Queen | Aye, just checked it, makes no mention |
| 18:19.32 | larry_cow | :( |
| 18:19.34 | larry_cow | what app is it? |
| 18:20.04 | Borg^Queen | Got it, odd command |
| 18:20.08 | Borg^Queen | f-prot |
| 18:20.31 | larry_cow | protein folding distributed computing? (or something like that in another order) |
| 18:20.35 | canllaith | mmm |
| 18:20.42 | canllaith | the transparency in cvs head is so fast |
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| 18:20.52 | Borg^Queen | hi canllaith still up |
| 18:20.52 | canllaith | it's set to fade out inactive windows |
| 18:20.57 | canllaith | and it is doing pretty well |
| 18:21.05 | Borg^Queen | screenshot? |
| 18:21.44 | canllaith | Borg^Queen: in a moment :) |
| 18:21.56 | Borg^Queen | thanks |
| 18:22.32 | larry_cow | canllaith: it needs the Composite extension, am I wrong? |
| 18:22.56 | canllaith | larry_cow: yes |
| 18:23.07 | canllaith | On my fx5200 though it feels faster than running xcompmgr |
| 18:23.09 | canllaith | much faster |
| 18:23.11 | canllaith | this is so usable |
| 18:24.40 | larry_cow | on my crappy KM400, it's probably segfaulting |
| 18:24.42 | larry_cow | or freezing |
| 18:24.48 | canllaith | mmm dunno |
| 18:24.51 | larry_cow | not something I'd want to enable |
| 18:24.57 | larry_cow | (sadly) |
| 18:24.59 | canllaith | I know someone who runs it on a gforce2 mx easily |
| 18:25.07 | larry_cow | for sure |
| 18:25.10 | canllaith | but I have not tried it on my 4mb neomagic ;) |
| 18:25.13 | larry_cow | on nvidia cards, it should be easy |
| 18:25.15 | canllaith | because that would just be silly :P |
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| 18:25.20 | canllaith | yeah, it has the hardware support |
| 18:25.22 | larry_cow | on a via one, it's kinda tricky |
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| 18:25.34 | larry_cow | (read: undoable) |
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| 18:25.42 | code_ | cu & n8 |
| 18:25.52 | khert | is there a way to list All matching lines in kfind instead of just the first one? |
| 18:26.16 | larry_cow | mmmh, is there any way to make konqueror display thumbnails of video files? |
| 18:26.53 | larry_cow | or to make him compute thumbnails through a user-supplied script (since an mplayer-based command would do the thumbnail just fine) |
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| 18:27.26 | dju` | hi |
| 18:27.38 | dju` | i've just installed 3.4.0beta1 |
| 18:27.51 | dju` | and i can't remove files from konqueror, only put in the trash |
| 18:27.54 | dju` | any help please? |
| 18:28.17 | Borg^Queen | You can't delete? |
| 18:28.21 | canllaith | dju`: you have to look in the konqueror settings for the option to enable the delete function that bypasses the trash |
| 18:28.25 | canllaith | I will look for you now |
| 18:28.36 | canllaith | gah |
| 18:28.38 | dju` | ahh |
| 18:28.39 | dju` | ok |
| 18:28.42 | dju` | thanks canllaith |
| 18:28.42 | canllaith | if konqueror will stop crashing for a moment |
| 18:28.45 | canllaith | yw dju` |
| 18:28.47 | dju` | found it |
| 18:28.50 | canllaith | :) |
| 18:29.02 | Borg^Queen | Cool function though. I know a lot of stupid users that can constantly deleting items they need |
| 18:29.17 | dju` | that was the 1st question |
| 18:29.51 | dju` | the 2nd is: kuickshow can't create thumbs |
| 18:29.54 | dju` | "servicetype ThumbCreator not found" |
| 18:30.09 | dju` | what provides that please? |
| 18:31.57 | Borg^Queen | brb |
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| 18:35.29 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/kde.png |
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| 18:35.38 | canllaith | ok, that is the new transparency features built into kwin. |
| 18:35.50 | canllaith | I have it set there to fade out all unfocused windows |
| 18:36.55 | larry_cow | this is pretty nice, canllaith |
| 18:37.04 | larry_cow | I can't wait for good drivers for my card :) |
| 18:37.07 | canllaith | :) |
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| 18:38.58 | larry_cow | I'd be more glad if I had an Nvidia with opensource drivers |
| 18:39.13 | Noldo | me too |
| 18:39.18 | canllaith | I don't care if the driver isn't open source. It works really well, I can game under linux |
| 18:39.22 | larry_cow | at least, my crappy gfx card has OSS drivers |
| 18:39.31 | canllaith | and Nvidia really, have the right to release their software under any license they please. |
| 18:39.33 | larry_cow | canllaith: I had a TNT2 before |
| 18:39.46 | canllaith | heh I have a few of those lying around here |
| 18:39.55 | larry_cow | nice card |
| 18:39.58 | larry_cow | (really cheap) |
| 18:40.22 | larry_cow | (but it won't fit on my laptop) |
| 18:40.32 | canllaith | We have a pair of fx5200 in our main two machines.. i think everything else us mostly trident cyberblade or ew, the neomagic on my laptop |
| 18:40.41 | canllaith | oh, and some older ati cards |
| 18:40.42 | larry_cow | (without severely damageing the laptop, I mean) |
| 18:40.47 | canllaith | So we have a pretty big range of various cards |
| 18:40.53 | canllaith | and the nvidia ones are the least trouble under X |
| 18:41.06 | larry_cow | under X on X86/Linux |
| 18:41.21 | larry_cow | it's ok now under freebsd |
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| 18:41.32 | larry_cow | but there are some more obscure OSs |
| 18:41.44 | canllaith | I also run solaris x86 |
| 18:41.50 | larry_cow | if only they would conform to the DRI, being closed source wouldn't be such a problem |
| 18:41.59 | canllaith | and other unices. |
| 18:42.24 | edeca | The only problems I've had with the nvidia modules were down to user error. |
| 18:42.35 | edeca | It works fine for games (nwn, tuxracer) and general KDE |
| 18:42.41 | canllaith | heh nwn is awesome |
| 18:42.48 | canllaith | games under winex run pretty well too |
| 18:43.05 | edeca | canllaith: I've just got to the end of SoU |
| 18:43.13 | canllaith | edeca: I still have not completed the original |
| 18:43.18 | edeca | It's worth it. |
| 18:43.23 | canllaith | and I think I got it 2 years ago :| |
| 18:43.32 | edeca | I couldn't believe bioware released it though, amazing |
| 18:43.35 | canllaith | Every time I get 3/4 of the way through it something happens and I end up starting again :P |
| 18:43.36 | edeca | For linux, sorry |
| 18:43.55 | canllaith | edeca: yeah, my first husband had a genuine copy and I just copied his cds |
| 18:44.01 | canllaith | but then when they released linux binaries |
| 18:44.05 | *** part/#kde dmoyne (~dmoyne@dyn-83-154-125-164.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
| 18:44.06 | canllaith | I went out and bought my own copy. |
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| 18:44.16 | canllaith | I'll happily support them with my wallet if they are going to make linux games. |
| 18:44.21 | edeca | Gentoo offer the resources for free, I'm not sure how legit that is. |
| 18:44.24 | edeca | Yes, exactly. |
| 18:44.26 | canllaith | It is legit |
| 18:44.29 | Noldo | SoU? |
| 18:44.30 | edeca | Is is?! |
| 18:44.34 | canllaith | as long as you have a cd key you actually purchased |
| 18:44.37 | edeca | That's crazy, people should be paying. |
| 18:44.40 | edeca | Arr, yes, of course. |
| 18:44.44 | canllaith | It is only the key that is important, the resources can be from anywhere :) |
| 18:44.49 | edeca | Noldo: Shadows of Udrentine |
| 18:45.00 | Noldo | never heard |
| 18:45.01 | larry_cow | Undrentide? |
| 18:45.07 | edeca | larry_cow: Yes, sorry |
| 18:45.11 | larry_cow | no problem :) |
| 18:45.35 | edeca | I don't really get into the story that much, just like playing and making my little character a mean thing |
| 18:46.14 | Borg^Queen | lol |
| 18:46.23 | Borg^Queen | I take it this is a role playing game? |
| 18:46.28 | canllaith | yup |
| 18:46.45 | Borg^Queen | Ah |
| 18:46.48 | Borg^Queen | brb |
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| 18:49.19 | wnr | when i'm in kde (3.3), the fonts of gtk apps become a lot smaller than when i'm in xfce (for instance)... is the fontsize of these programs controlled by kde? |
| 18:49.19 | snugglemonkey_ | canllaith: can I send you a 3.4 oddity I would like you to take a look at? I have made a flash file of it to best illustrate what is happening. I will call it the "migratory trash can" error. :) |
| 18:49.32 | canllaith | snugglemonkey of course. You know where to send it. |
| 18:49.33 | edeca | Arrghh.. flash. |
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| 18:50.46 | ^JM^ | When i pass the mouse quickly over the icons in systray, the tooltips appear |
| 18:50.48 | ^JM^ | and stay there. |
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| 18:51.02 | ^JM^ | To make disapear the tooltips i have to pass again the mouse over the icons in |
| 18:51.02 | ^JM^ | systray that have the tooltips appearing, or just wait to disappear wich |
| 18:51.02 | ^JM^ | takes a long time. |
| 18:51.15 | ^JM^ | this is very annoying, any help? |
| 18:51.38 | snugglemonkey_ | ^JM^: What version of kde? |
| 18:51.45 | ^JM^ | 3.3.2 |
| 18:52.04 | canllaith | yeah it is a bug |
| 18:52.10 | canllaith | being fixed :) |
| 18:53.23 | snugglemonkey_ | canllaith: so, I should let it run then. |
| 18:55.03 | ^JM^ | canllaith: is already fixed? |
| 18:55.12 | canllaith | No, not yet. |
| 18:55.20 | ^JM^ | ok |
| 18:55.22 | canllaith | oh actually it might be |
| 18:55.25 | canllaith | as I am not experiencing it lately |
| 18:55.27 | [Aura]kingwanja | canllaith: omg , you will become soooo moody |
| 18:55.34 | canllaith | mmm ? |
| 18:55.37 | snugglemonkey_ | ^JM^: It doesn't show on 3.4 |
| 18:55.49 | ^JM^ | and when changing view in konq makes appear again the bookmarks toolbar, is this fixed? |
| 18:56.22 | canllaith | Why would I be moody? |
| 18:56.30 | ^JM^ | snugglemonkey: please tell me what are the files that handle the behaviour of tooltips in k panle |
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| 18:56.48 | [Aura]kingwanja | canllaith: how old are you ? |
| 18:56.50 | ^JM^ | panel* |
| 18:56.54 | Osato | is makekdewidgets available for kde 3.2? |
| 18:57.08 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja: 22 |
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| 18:57.19 | [Aura]kingwanja | hmmm still young , you should be ok for now |
| 18:57.20 | lippel | Osato: no, afaik it's new in 3.3 |
| 18:57.23 | ^JM^ | snugglemonkey: please tell me what are the files that handle the behaviour of tooltips in k panle |
| 18:57.28 | Osato | k, thx |
| 18:57.29 | ^JM^ | panel* |
| 18:57.45 | canllaith | mmm ? |
| 18:57.47 | snugglemonkey_ | ^JM^: I'd love to, but I'm new to all of this. :( |
| 18:57.55 | CapNemo | hi .. im testing konqueror 3.3.91 and i have seen that i try to move file in my usbkey it copies them instead of just moving .. is it a bug ? |
| 18:58.01 | ^JM^ | canllaith: cant u tell? |
| 18:58.07 | lippel | Osato: what do you try to build? |
| 18:58.13 | Osato | kmobiletools |
| 18:58.15 | canllaith | ^JM^: uhhh the systray is a bit borked |
| 18:58.16 | canllaith | but yeah |
| 18:58.26 | canllaith | have a look in kdebase/kicker/applets/ |
| 18:58.44 | lippel | Osato: in many cases this problem can be avoided by the developer when he creates the tarball... |
| 18:58.59 | ^JM^ | canllaith: please the files |
| 18:59.08 | ^JM^ | i need to know what files are to do a patch |
| 18:59.11 | [Aura]kingwanja | right im off now ... night all \o |
| 18:59.24 | canllaith | ^JM^: /usr/bin/grep, go to town with it. |
| 18:59.49 | ^JM^ | canllaith: great help |
| 18:59.59 | canllaith | Gosh, you're -so- welcome :) |
| 18:59.59 | ^JM^ | whats the se of grep now? |
| 19:00.07 | ^JM^ | ur smart |
| 19:00.12 | ^JM^ | very |
| 19:00.28 | ^JM^ | whats the use of grep now? |
| 19:00.33 | snugglemonkey_ | ^JM^: We are not all programmers. Some of us are users. |
| 19:01.04 | ^JM^ | so and for that u dont know how to answer simpe wuestions? |
| 19:01.08 | ^JM^ | questions* |
| 19:01.10 | lippel | Osato: you could try the cvs version. |
| 19:01.22 | lippel | Osato: that should work, most likely. |
| 19:01.27 | snugglemonkey_ | ^JM^: Take me for instance, I am like you... I can find bugs, but don't know how to fix them. :( |
| 19:02.03 | ^JM^ | snugglemonkey: i would only neeed to know what are the files that handle k panel tooltips behaviour to be able to do a patch |
| 19:02.47 | Osato | ok, lippel ! thx |
| 19:02.50 | snugglemonkey_ | ^JM^: You tell me how to find them, and I will gladly tell you what they are. |
| 19:02.53 | canllaith | ^JM^: so then go and look for what you want. |
| 19:03.05 | canllaith | Use grep, and read things, and find information out the way the rest of us do, through searching for it. |
| 19:03.33 | lippel | Osato: you could report that to the developer. and tell him that he can avoid that by setting MIN_CONFIG in configure.in.in to 3.2 ;-) |
| 19:04.04 | ^JM^ | canllaith: really? |
| 19:04.24 | snugglemonkey_ | ^JM^: I'm fairly sure that if you use the newer kicker files, you will need the newer configuration files, which you will also need the newer QT, which will bork your current version - or so I am told. |
| 19:04.37 | Osato | lippel, i'm doing so... |
| 19:04.49 | canllaith | you can have multiple versions coexisting (of qt) |
| 19:04.52 | ^JM^ | snugglemonkey: i dont thin so |
| 19:04.56 | canllaith | It is non-trivial though. |
| 19:05.32 | ^JM^ | canllaith: i dont have the time to do all, im already a kde mainteiner for mandrake, translation for mdk, kde , kvirc |
| 19:05.39 | ^JM^ | if i would the time... |
| 19:05.43 | canllaith | ^JM^: why do I have time to do it all? |
| 19:05.47 | canllaith | If you want to do it then go and do it. |
| 19:06.02 | snugglemonkey_ | ^JM^: I have the binaries for mdk, if you know which ones you want. |
| 19:06.24 | ^JM^ | binaries for mdk? |
| 19:06.48 | ^JM^ | for what do i want that for? i need sources |
| 19:07.10 | snugglemonkey_ | ^JM^: Then, once again, I am of no help to you. |
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| 19:18.00 | kapishonas | hello |
| 19:18.04 | kapishonas | anyone here using k3b? |
| 19:18.24 | Skiver | <-- |
| 19:18.43 | Borg^Queen | kapishonas: aye infact I'm building the newest version |
| 19:18.55 | kapishonas | tell me how can i continue writing to cd? i have cd with 220mb used and i want to put few more files |
| 19:19.07 | kapishonas | :> |
| 19:19.22 | Borg^Queen | Is it a multi-session or did you fix it |
| 19:19.42 | Skiver | kapishonas : did u start the disc with multisession ? |
| 19:19.47 | kapishonas | no |
| 19:20.02 | Borg^Queen | You can't then |
| 19:20.05 | Skiver | then i'm afraid u can't |
| 19:20.09 | Borg^Queen | The cd is completed and finalized. |
| 19:20.27 | kapishonas | well i started writing with nero |
| 19:20.35 | kapishonas | and i didn't put a tick on finalize cd |
| 19:20.50 | Borg^Queen | Skiver: this is the part where we get sticks and beat kapishonas mercelessly |
| 19:20.58 | Skiver | lol |
| 19:21.01 | Borg^Queen | a tick? |
| 19:21.03 | kapishonas | ;( |
| 19:21.11 | Borg^Queen | Dont' do that don't do that |
| 19:21.17 | Borg^Queen | I hate when people cry |
| 19:21.22 | kapishonas | ;d |
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| 19:21.31 | Borg^Queen | smart @$$ |
| 19:21.49 | Borg^Queen | Nero works on Linux? I thought it was just a whineDOH!s thing |
| 19:21.53 | kapishonas | no |
| 19:22.02 | kapishonas | this cd was burned on other pc ;] |
| 19:22.07 | Skiver | kapishonas : still u can't, because the disc is written in disc at once. |
| 19:22.08 | kapishonas | and here i don't have windows |
| 19:22.17 | Borg^Queen | GASP! Not a whinDOH!s box? |
| 19:22.37 | kapishonas | yup, something's wrong with my hdd |
| 19:22.38 | kapishonas | ;] |
| 19:22.38 | Skiver | if u did not choose Multisession |
| 19:22.47 | kapishonas | aw |
| 19:22.54 | kapishonas | sux |
| 19:22.57 | kapishonas | cd wasted ;] |
| 19:22.59 | Borg^Queen | kapishonas: don't burn cds on whineDOH!s, 90% you'll end up with a coaster |
| 19:23.07 | Skiver | but erm, is a cd-r really that expensive ? |
| 19:23.09 | kapishonas | what is coaster? |
| 19:23.39 | kapishonas | well i guess not |
| 19:23.40 | kapishonas | :) |
| 19:23.45 | Borg^Queen | A coaster is a little "plate" that you put cups and drinks on so they don't leave water rings on good furniture |
| 19:23.58 | canllaith | 90% ? |
| 19:24.23 | kapishonas | oh |
| 19:24.23 | kapishonas | ;dddd |
| 19:24.23 | canllaith | I hate to tell you this but that's rubbish..... |
| 19:24.23 | canllaith | windows is just as capable of burning decent cds..... |
| 19:24.23 | anis | sighs |
| 19:24.23 | Borg^Queen | canllaith: most of my friends on XP, get only 10 cds out of a hundred |
| 19:24.28 | canllaith | Borg^Queen: then I suggest they are doing it wrong. |
| 19:24.31 | canllaith | anis: LOL |
| 19:24.31 | Borg^Queen | I suspect though that it's the cd burner too |
| 19:24.35 | canllaith | Yeah |
| 19:24.38 | canllaith | or crappy cd brand |
| 19:24.47 | canllaith | I get much more coasters when I use generic scary brand |
| 19:24.50 | Skiver | Borg^Queen : or the users themselves |
| 19:24.50 | Borg^Queen | Try a generic version of a no name brand |
| 19:25.00 | anis | http://tsunami.myfedora.org <-- open if u dare :p |
| 19:25.07 | Borg^Queen | Skiver: of course it's the users, they choose whineDOH!s |
| 19:25.37 | CapNemo | anis, ouch !! |
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| 19:25.42 | Skiver | i've seen people burned .iso files as data |
| 19:25.44 | Borg^Queen | They all bought these $300 US "computers" with XP |
| 19:25.47 | canllaith | hmmm thre are some strange bugs in current konqui |
| 19:26.03 | anis | CapNemo ? |
| 19:26.05 | Borg^Queen | CapNemo: kool nic, loved that book |
| 19:26.05 | canllaith | Borg^Queen: did you see my translucent kwin shots? |
| 19:26.09 | Borg^Queen | Nope |
| 19:26.15 | CapNemo | Borg^Queen, thx :) |
| 19:26.15 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/kde-3.4/ |
| 19:26.19 | canllaith | Borg^Queen: last one on that page |
| 19:26.28 | Borg^Queen | YW CapNemo |
| 19:26.30 | kapishonas | Borg^Queen, don't be so hard on win;d |
| 19:26.31 | canllaith | It's a huuuuge file sorry, I am afraid as soon as you add translucency pngs seem to get massive. |
| 19:26.44 | CapNemo | Borg^Queen, dont try to assimilate the nautilus ;) |
| 19:26.49 | kapishonas | windows isn't so bad couse you can do everything by pressing NEXT :) |
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| 19:26.55 | Skiver | anis : that's quite a collection, u have a strange habit |
| 19:27.28 | Borg^Queen | Ooops ehehheh |
| 19:27.36 | canllaith | lippel: 0830 |
| 19:27.48 | CapNemo | Borg^Queen, arff :) |
| 19:27.50 | anis | arrr :p |
| 19:27.59 | Skiver | kapishonas : that's how they make u numb |
| 19:28.00 | anis | lol!! |
| 19:28.03 | Borg^Queen | my God, these poor people |
| 19:28.26 | Borg^Queen | Weird girls rock |
| 19:28.35 | canllaith | lippel: Why? :) |
| 19:28.45 | Skiver | i'm afraid not, Borg^Queen |
| 19:29.04 | Borg^Queen | Pardon? |
| 19:29.16 | lippel | canllaith: because i remember you saying something like "time for bed" many hours ago ;-) |
| 19:29.25 | canllaith | lippel: heh yeah I guess I am not sleeping today |
| 19:29.33 | anis | lippel: ah forget it..she wont sleep.. |
| 19:29.42 | anis | canllaith <-- KDE addicted |
| 19:29.43 | canllaith | I will, tomorrow sometime |
| 19:29.44 | anis | :/ |
| 19:29.44 | Skiver | Borg^Queen : about your statement "Weird Girls Rock" |
| 19:29.45 | kapishonas | Skiver, maybe, but most of ppl don't need to understand everything about comps :) |
| 19:29.57 | Borg^Queen | Skiver: they do too |
| 19:30.09 | kapishonas | if someone's working like only with autocad |
| 19:30.20 | anis | just put some sleeping pills on her milk tonight...and she "gone" for many hours |
| 19:30.24 | canllaith | Weird girls so totally rock. |
| 19:30.25 | canllaith | hey |
| 19:30.29 | canllaith | no-one is drugging me :| |
| 19:30.31 | Skiver | kapishonas : that is why u burned a cd-r with only 200mb of stuffs in it. |
| 19:30.33 | kapishonas | why they should know everything about making OS work and etc |
| 19:30.39 | Borg^Queen | canllaith: all I get is the thumbnail |
| 19:30.46 | canllaith | Borg^Queen: if you click on it? |
| 19:30.51 | Borg^Queen | Yep |
| 19:30.53 | kapishonas | Skiver, well my friend did ;d |
| 19:30.55 | canllaith | I get the full image here |
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| 19:31.03 | kapishonas | i just want to put more files in it ;d |
| 19:31.14 | Borg^Queen | Who was drugged? |
| 19:31.26 | Borg^Queen | Odd |
| 19:31.54 | canllaith | someone stop me :| |
| 19:32.03 | Skiver | kapishonas : some people just want to know 'what's actually going on' |
| 19:32.18 | kapishonas | and some don't :) |
| 19:32.30 | Borg^Queen | Going on where? |
| 19:32.39 | Skiver | on the machine, |
| 19:32.43 | canllaith | kapishonas: I completely agree with you |
| 19:32.51 | Borg^Queen | Aye indeed |
| 19:32.58 | kapishonas | aye? |
| 19:33.07 | Borg^Queen | sometimes you feel like a bit, sometimes you don't |
| 19:33.13 | Borg^Queen | Aye = Yes |
| 19:33.46 | Borg^Queen | I don't think that people that don't want to know about the machines they use aren't crazy, just lazy. |
| 19:33.56 | canllaith | I do not think they are lazy either |
| 19:33.58 | Borg^Queen | I will not use an item I don't understand. |
| 19:34.02 | canllaith | I think they simply have non-geek priorities |
| 19:34.18 | Borg^Queen | ALL the whineDOH!s users I know are, sadly. |
| 19:34.26 | canllaith | I do not think it is sad at all. |
| 19:34.26 | Skiver | hehhh |
| 19:34.39 | Borg^Queen | They're also very unhappy with everything |
| 19:34.44 | canllaith | Primarily, I am a not a computer geek. |
| 19:34.49 | canllaith | Is this 'sad' ? |
| 19:35.04 | Borg^Queen | No but you're not ignorant either |
| 19:35.07 | canllaith | (yes, amazingly enough I have passions above and beyond my computer, as much as most of you in here are all rolling your eyes going 'sure, sure') |
| 19:35.16 | canllaith | If I was, it would only be because I cared to gain knowledge elsewhere. |
| 19:35.20 | Borg^Queen | GASP! |
| 19:35.22 | lippel | i can understand them completely, there are many things i just want to work, and i don't care at all _how_ they work. |
| 19:35.43 | canllaith | Yup. |
| 19:35.59 | Skiver | this sony headphone rocks |
| 19:36.01 | canllaith | heh this is going to take a loooong time |
| 19:36.02 | Skiver | wee |
| 19:36.04 | canllaith | uploading 500k screenshot at 3k a second :( |
| 19:36.08 | lippel | !art Borg^Queen |
| 19:36.11 | canllaith | I don't know what is wrong with my connection this mornin |
| 19:36.22 | Borg^Queen | art? |
| 19:36.27 | lippel | mistyped |
| 19:36.31 | Borg^Queen | canllaith: it's sleepy |
| 19:36.34 | canllaith | apt lart Borg^Queen |
| 19:36.37 | canllaith | LOL |
| 19:36.38 | canllaith | him? |
| 19:36.39 | kapishonas | Borg^Queen, if you were a 40year old working man and you don't speak english i think you wouldn't be interested in understand how everything works |
| 19:36.42 | canllaith | we need to work on that |
| 19:36.51 | canllaith | yay! |
| 19:36.52 | canllaith | http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/14529759/ |
| 19:37.14 | Skiver | devianart hmm |
| 19:37.26 | canllaith | Tis cool, I'm pimpin KDE on there. |
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| 19:38.10 | Borg^Queen | kapishonas: some of my clients are 60 yo men that don't speak english and they want to know everything |
| 19:38.20 | kapishonas | 0.o |
| 19:38.22 | canllaith | This really is a ridiculous discussion |
| 19:38.24 | Skiver | hahahaha |
| 19:38.27 | Borg^Queen | They're also my best clients. Oddly, the young people are my worst |
| 19:38.34 | canllaith | If my mother does not want to know how her computer works because she would rather spend time with her kids |
| 19:38.38 | canllaith | I cannot find it in me to call her lazy or sad. |
| 19:38.42 | kapishonas | canllaith, sorry ;p |
| 19:38.49 | Skiver | don't argue on os flavor. |
| 19:38.49 | canllaith | She simply has different and sometimes broader priorities than us geeks. |
| 19:39.26 | Borg^Queen | canllaith: your mother doesn't need to know, that's why she had you. |
| 19:39.31 | Borg^Queen | Loop Hole |
| 19:39.35 | canllaith | Borg^Queen: actually I very rarely support her. |
| 19:39.45 | canllaith | Mostly because I live 4000km away. |
| 19:39.47 | Borg^Queen | GASPT! |
| 19:40.12 | Borg^Queen | you can pick up the phone, can't you? She carried you for 9 MONTHS! |
| 19:40.20 | Borg^Queen | All the time with one foot in the grave! |
| 19:40.28 | Borg^Queen | And you had such a big head |
| 19:40.35 | canllaith | She also threw me out of her house onto the streets when I was 16 for something I didn't do. |
| 19:40.43 | Borg^Queen | Ok you win |
| 19:40.48 | canllaith | So she can fix her own damn computer ;-) |
| 19:40.52 | kapishonas | 0.o |
| 19:41.15 | canllaith | (I sent her a brand new Duron 1300 last year, for christmas for my brothers. So they have a nice computer even if it does run Windows XP) |
| 19:41.20 | Borg^Queen | and = at |
| 19:41.25 | Skiver | i went shopping with my mom earlier on. |
| 19:41.27 | canllaith | Nice asus motherboard etc etc. |
| 19:41.32 | canllaith | Lucky little bastards. |
| 19:41.39 | Skiver | for chinese new year stuffs |
| 19:41.50 | Borg^Queen | Did you have a good time? |
| 19:42.38 | Skiver | i can't say shopping with old lady is a pleasant job... |
| 19:43.24 | Borg^Queen | Hey! Shopping is always fun. |
| 19:44.01 | Borg^Queen | canllaith: I got the screeny. |
| 19:44.06 | Borg^Queen | Just too forever to load |
| 19:44.13 | Skiver | the only reason i went is because she couldn't carry so many stuffs |
| 19:44.40 | Borg^Queen | Nice but it looks too much like xp for me. |
| 19:44.42 | kapishonas | bye everyone |
| 19:44.46 | Borg^Queen | bye |
| 19:44.53 | canllaith | huh? |
| 19:44.58 | Skiver | see ya kapishonas, don't be sad for the disc |
| 19:44.59 | canllaith | looks too much like windows xp ? |
| 19:45.01 | canllaith | how?? |
| 19:45.14 | canllaith | It's default KDE plastik and crystal |
| 19:45.26 | kapishonas | Skiver, ;)) i'll try ;dd |
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| 19:46.56 | Borg^Queen | Ok then M$ is once AGAIN, copying KDE |
| 19:47.01 | canllaith | damn kate damn indentation crap bugger shite |
| 19:47.10 | canllaith | (the editor, not our lovely borg) |
| 19:47.30 | Borg^Queen | There was an article on how M$ monitors the latest themes of GUIs like KDE and Gnome |
| 19:47.37 | Borg^Queen | LOL canllaith |
| 19:48.14 | canllaith | man |
| 19:48.28 | canllaith | it just will not turn off this SMEGGING INDENTATION ANDERS WHERE ARE YOU :| |
| 19:48.31 | canllaith | :( |
| 19:48.43 | Borg^Queen | OH and M$ is yet again at the @$$ end of another billion dollar lawsuit |
| 19:48.48 | canllaith | heh |
| 19:49.05 | canllaith | It is KILLING ME |
| 19:49.14 | canllaith | Kate is making a horrible mess of every file I check out of cvs |
| 19:49.19 | canllaith | because it insists on indenting everything |
| 19:49.20 | Borg^Queen | (insert dramatic music here) |
| 19:49.27 | canllaith | Like, automatically |
| 19:49.29 | canllaith | and I turned it off |
| 19:49.32 | canllaith | and it keeps coming back :( |
| 19:49.43 | Borg^Queen | Is there s settings save requirement? |
| 19:50.05 | Skiver | i wonder where can i get some decent xmms skins. |
| 19:50.13 | canllaith | Skiver: winamp.com |
| 19:50.15 | Borg^Queen | Yeah me too |
| 19:50.21 | Borg^Queen | winamp? |
| 19:50.23 | canllaith | Yeah |
| 19:50.28 | Skiver | yea i heard of that.. |
| 19:50.31 | canllaith | xmms is totally compatible with winamp skins |
| 19:50.33 | Borg^Queen | Well shoot my monkey |
| 19:50.33 | canllaith | and they look fantastic |
| 19:50.41 | Skiver | copying the wsz file or something |
| 19:50.47 | canllaith | So you have hundreds to choose from (If you avoid the ones that say 'winamp' but lots don't :) |
| 19:51.02 | Borg^Queen | ah thanks |
| 19:52.03 | Skiver | but b4 that, take a look at this guy's work http://www.schultz-net.dk/xmms.html |
| 19:52.17 | Skiver | just found that |
| 19:52.39 | Borg^Queen | LOl ok |
| 19:53.12 | Borg^Queen | They're not that bad |
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| 19:59.35 | Osato | what does --enable-final do? what is it good for? |
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| 20:02.36 | kapishonas | can i ask about floppies here? ;dd |
| 20:03.25 | Skiver | wb kapishonas |
| 20:03.41 | Borg^Queen | What kind of floppies are you talking about? |
| 20:03.56 | kapishonas | ;d |
| 20:04.02 | canllaith | :) |
| 20:04.05 | kapishonas | dos floppy |
| 20:04.08 | Borg^Queen | OK |
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| 20:04.23 | Borg^Queen | hello Cerulean |
| 20:04.43 | Cerulean | Borg^Queen: Hallo |
| 20:04.51 | kapishonas | root@darkstar:~# mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy/ |
| 20:04.51 | kapishonas | root@darkstar:/mnt/floppy# ls |
| 20:04.51 | kapishonas | ? ? ?½?.x ?.?2 ??.?? ?????±?? ??? --- i should see normal ms office doc files here, why do i see this? can some1 help me? maybe i mount wrong way or what..? |
| 20:04.57 | Borg^Queen | Have a seat, order a smoothy |
| 20:05.06 | kapishonas | paste ;> asked the same questions in linux channel |
| 20:05.28 | Cerulean | Borg^Queen: I think i'll do that.. |
| 20:05.42 | Skiver | kapishonas : specify "auto" may help to look for the filesystem |
| 20:06.00 | kapishonas | mount auto? 0.o |
| 20:06.00 | lippel | anyone here uses some kind of desktop search engine? |
| 20:06.14 | Cerulean | lippel: kio_locate |
| 20:06.25 | Borg^Queen | kapishonas: try floppy:/a put that into the konq addy bar |
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| 20:06.44 | kapishonas | i don't use kde ;) it eats too much ram |
| 20:06.49 | kapishonas | my box suck |
| 20:06.57 | Borg^Queen | Do you have mtools installed? |
| 20:07.06 | kapishonas | yup |
| 20:07.06 | Borg^Queen | No box running linux is bad |
| 20:07.07 | canllaith | works fine on my 5 year old laptop |
| 20:07.21 | Borg^Queen | open any file manager and put in floppy:/a |
| 20:07.42 | kapishonas | erm |
| 20:07.43 | Skiver | kapishonas : mount -t /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy |
| 20:07.47 | kapishonas | umount now? |
| 20:08.27 | lippel | Cerulean: i need something which indexes content. |
| 20:08.39 | kapishonas | root@darkstar:/home/mrb# mount -t auto /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy/ |
| 20:08.39 | kapishonas | root@darkstar:/home/mrb# cd /mnt/floppy/ |
| 20:08.39 | kapishonas | root@darkstar:/mnt/floppy# ls |
| 20:08.39 | kapishonas | ? ? ?½?.x ?.?2 ??.?? ?????±?? ??? |
| 20:08.57 | Cerulean | lippel: Is there such a project available? |
| 20:08.59 | kapishonas | same ;\ |
| 20:09.29 | lippel | Cerulean: gnome has beagle, there are doodle and i know quaneko, a little qt tool. |
| 20:09.52 | Skiver | kapishonas : is the filename english ? |
| 20:09.53 | lippel | Cerulean: i wondered if there is a great tool i missed |
| 20:09.58 | kapishonas | yea |
| 20:10.30 | kapishonas | well not but there is no letters which is not in english abc ;] |
| 20:10.48 | Cerulean | lippel: Not one that I know of. quaneko looks like something to look into. |
| 20:11.11 | kapishonas | Borg^Queen, nautilus doesn't help :] |
| 20:11.12 | Borg^Queen | kapishonas: try another disc to test |
| 20:11.16 | Cerulean | A KDE one seems like an excellent project - you can already keep track of when new files are added to a directory easily, so this seems like a logical extension. |
| 20:11.27 | Skiver | i can only think about the encoding |
| 20:11.41 | Borg^Queen | my RM's cat is going in sane |
| 20:11.54 | Borg^Queen | He running on my desk tossing off all the pens and pencils |
| 20:12.00 | kapishonas | floppy:///a is not a valid location |
| 20:12.01 | lippel | Cerulean: yeah, there are plans for KDE 4 i think. but it's a long time until KDE 4 ;-) |
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| 20:12.57 | Borg^Queen | floppy:/a not /// |
| 20:13.03 | Borg^Queen | only one / |
| 20:13.08 | kapishonas | i know |
| 20:13.12 | kapishonas | nautilus makes /// |
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| 20:13.26 | kaplanfx | can the kde clock sync with a time server? |
| 20:13.28 | Borg^Queen | try to get rid of it |
| 20:13.29 | lippel | Cerulean: i once thought about starting something like this, but i haven't found a search engine which fits my needs so far. and i won't write my own. |
| 20:14.25 | Cerulean | lippel: Yes |
| 20:15.18 | Osato | lippel, i don't know much about make but is it enough to edit the configure.in.in or do i have to execute make -f ...? |
| 20:15.20 | hedgehair | i know javahowto says the kjas needs blackdown to work best, but has anyone tried it with kaffe? im trying to use konq on my ipaq and i need java |
| 20:16.22 | lippel | Osato: iirc you have to edit the first line of configure.in.in and (re)run make -f Makefile.cvs then |
| 20:16.35 | lippel | and configure of course |
| 20:16.49 | kapishonas | Borg^Queen, maybe i should mount somehow through mtools? |
| 20:16.52 | Osato | ok, in the release there is no Makefile.cvs!^^ thx |
| 20:17.12 | Borg^Queen | kapishonas: have you tried to mount it as root |
| 20:17.20 | Osato | or can i just copy the Makefile.cvs from cvs? |
| 20:17.25 | kapishonas | ;) i always mount as root |
| 20:18.16 | lippel | Osato: nah, you have to use the cvs version i think. |
| 20:18.31 | Osato | all right! |
| 20:18.35 | lippel | Osato: it won't work with the release tarball |
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| 20:21.32 | kapishonas | fcuk;\ |
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| 20:23.00 | doru | hello |
| 20:23.03 | kapishonas | root@darkstar:/mnt# mmount -V a |
| 20:23.03 | kapishonas | Mmount version pre6-3.9.8, dated 27 May 2001 |
| 20:23.03 | kapishonas | configured with the following options: enable-xdf disable-vold disable-new-vold disable-debug enable-raw-term |
| 20:23.03 | kapishonas | root@darkstar:/mnt# |
| 20:23.13 | Borg^Queen | hello |
| 20:23.19 | kapishonas | is it mounted? 0.o |
| 20:23.25 | doru | can somebody help me with something ? |
| 20:23.30 | kapishonas | we can try |
| 20:23.38 | doru | i have a debug problem with KDEV |
| 20:23.47 | kapishonas | oh |
| 20:24.12 | doru | the problem is i can't see my console when i debug the program |
| 20:24.18 | Borg^Queen | kapishonas: use the cl to mnt it |
| 20:24.26 | doru | so can't enter text |
| 20:24.35 | kapishonas | cl? what is cl? |
| 20:24.47 | canllaith | command line. |
| 20:24.59 | Borg^Queen | command line, the shell |
| 20:25.00 | Borg^Queen | terminal |
| 20:25.15 | kapishonas | i always mount from terminal :] |
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| 20:25.57 | Borg^Queen | what is the command you're using |
| 20:26.04 | Skiver | hmm, too bad xmms can't extract the modern winamp skin |
| 20:26.15 | kapishonas | mount |
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| 20:28.09 | MrPingouin | is there a make firefox works with konqueror bookmarks ? |
| 20:28.15 | MrPingouin | I mean, if I add a bookmark to firefox |
| 20:28.20 | MrPingouin | I would be able to see it in konqueror |
| 20:28.51 | Borg^Queen | ladies and gentlemen, we have a new record |
| 20:29.35 | kapishonas | yay = |
| 20:29.36 | kapishonas | =] |
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| 20:30.20 | Skiver | MrPingouin : manually |
| 20:30.26 | Borg^Queen | kapishonas: try mount /mnt/floppy |
| 20:30.57 | kapishonas | root@darkstar:/mnt/floppy# ls |
| 20:30.57 | kapishonas | ? ? ?½?.x ?.?2 ??.?? ?????±?? ??? |
| 20:30.58 | kapishonas | same |
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| 20:31.22 | Borg^Queen | You get all that from one command? |
| 20:31.38 | kapishonas | yea |
| 20:31.54 | Borg^Queen | bloody hell |
| 20:32.00 | Borg^Queen | let me see the comamnd exactly |
| 20:32.26 | kapishonas | root@darkstar:/mnt# mount /mnt/floppy/ |
| 20:32.26 | kapishonas | root@darkstar:/mnt# cd floppy/ |
| 20:32.26 | kapishonas | root@darkstar:/mnt/floppy# ls |
| 20:32.26 | kapishonas | ? ? ?½?.x ?.?2 ??.?? ?????±?? ??? |
| 20:32.42 | illogic-al | Borg^Queen, your tenderness is heartwarming. |
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| 20:33.27 | Borg^Queen | kapishonas: you're typing in "mount /mnt/floppy" |
| 20:33.43 | kapishonas | http://powwow.dievai.net/src.jpg - mc shows this |
| 20:33.44 | illogic-al | Borg^Queen, cynderblock? the long lost cousin of the cinder block |
| 20:34.18 | kapishonas | Borg^Queen, i don't understand what you mean by saying this :) sorry |
| 20:34.21 | Borg^Queen | Aye illogic-al |
| 20:34.29 | illogic-al | kapishonas, looks like it has foreign characters your computer can't display. |
| 20:34.44 | kapishonas | well it's not |
| 20:34.53 | illogic-al | ? |
| 20:34.54 | Borg^Queen | so there |
| 20:35.12 | Borg^Queen | kapishonas: type in this exactly |
| 20:35.21 | Borg^Queen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.26 | Borg^Queen | Nothing more nothing less |
| 20:35.56 | kapishonas | and now? |
| 20:36.08 | Borg^Queen | hit enter |
| 20:36.09 | illogic-al | kapishonas, nice wallpaper by the way. |
| 20:36.26 | Skiver | try mount -t iso9660 /mnt/floppy |
| 20:36.26 | kapishonas | root@darkstar:~# mount /mnt/floppy |
| 20:36.27 | kapishonas | and? |
| 20:36.43 | kapishonas | i doubt that it's cd fs :) |
| 20:36.47 | Borg^Queen | See if you can see your floppy |
| 20:36.48 | illogic-al | Skiver, only cds use iso |
| 20:36.53 | kapishonas | illogic-al, thx |
| 20:37.30 | kapishonas | Borg^Queen, ;d it's xfce and i use terminal to get in my floppy |
| 20:37.40 | kapishonas | cd /mnt/floppy/ and ls |
| 20:37.40 | kapishonas | :) |
| 20:37.55 | Borg^Queen | ok ls the floppy what do you see? |
| 20:38.10 | kapishonas | ? ? ?½?.x ?.?2 ??.?? ?????±?? ??? |
| 20:38.56 | Borg^Queen | OK there's something mechanically wrong with the device |
| 20:39.07 | Borg^Queen | Do you have more than one floppy? |
| 20:39.10 | kapishonas | i hope so |
| 20:39.16 | kapishonas | yea |
| 20:39.25 | Borg^Queen | ok they're aren't in proper order |
| 20:39.53 | Borg^Queen | Those symbols are a machine feed back. That's the kind of thing you get when you put a zip drive as a slave to a cdrom |
| 20:40.11 | Borg^Queen | check your machine's floppy setup. |
| 20:40.22 | Borg^Queen | Also, check that the bios hasn't swaped the two |
| 20:40.43 | kapishonas | root@darkstar:/mnt/floppy# ls |
| 20:40.43 | kapishonas | ???+?8?v.??? ?ü??»x.dÅ7 ?e?(???°.x?? ???¹? ?.hdrs?? |
| 20:40.43 | kapishonas | ?t?° ??$.t?° ?t??Ö??.??? ????¨?.??¹ ??p??.0?? ?1??? ?;.??? |
| 20:40.43 | kapishonas | u???.u?? ¬?£????É.?s? É? ??? ?7 |
| 20:40.46 | kapishonas | other floppy |
| 20:41.08 | Skiver | w0w.. |
| 20:41.12 | CapNemo | nice hieroglyphs :) |
| 20:41.16 | kapishonas | ;d |
| 20:41.20 | Borg^Queen | My goodness |
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| 20:41.31 | Borg^Queen | Those are your files |
| 20:41.41 | kapishonas | it's normal windows files |
| 20:41.44 | kapishonas | Volcov Commander |
| 20:41.46 | CapNemo | kapishonas, you have a problem of encoding |
| 20:41.52 | kapishonas | no |
| 20:42.00 | kapishonas | i'm sure this is not encoding |
| 20:42.01 | kapishonas | :) |
| 20:42.12 | CapNemo | of the floppy is good for trash ..as usual ;) |
| 20:42.29 | Borg^Queen | This is a mechanical problem |
| 20:42.40 | kapishonas | how can i fix it? |
| 20:42.43 | canllaith | I would be inclined to assume the floppy was borked yes. |
| 20:42.43 | illogic-al | kapishonas, how're you sure it's not encoding? |
| 20:42.45 | Borg^Queen | Check the ribbon cable, check the whole thing |
| 20:42.52 | canllaith | They do fail very often. |
| 20:42.55 | Skiver | how do i make Konsole to read different encoding ?? |
| 20:43.44 | kapishonas | illogic-al, couse i am lithuanian and there is like 10 letters which is not used in english |
| 20:43.45 | kapishonas | BUT |
| 20:43.52 | Skiver | thanks to kapishonas, i just found my konsole can't read some characters which konq able to |
| 20:44.06 | kapishonas | this is windows Volcov (or Volkov) Commander |
| 20:44.10 | kapishonas | it's english |
| 20:44.14 | kapishonas | no lithuanian files |
| 20:44.25 | kapishonas | so it's not encoding |
| 20:44.36 | kapishonas | Skiver, =] |
| 20:45.02 | kapishonas | hm |
| 20:45.05 | kapishonas | by the way |
| 20:45.17 | kapishonas | when i format floppy |
| 20:45.20 | kapishonas | and write to it |
| 20:45.28 | kapishonas | it works fine on other comps |
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| 20:46.19 | kapishonas | Borg^Queen, you said something about bios. what can i do with it? |
| 20:47.19 | sredna | Hi * |
| 20:47.24 | kapishonas | ah |
| 20:47.27 | kapishonas | one more thing |
| 20:47.28 | illogic-al | hey sredna |
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| 20:47.35 | kapishonas | when i boot from floppy it works fine |
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| 20:47.46 | kapishonas | so i doubt that this is mechanical problem |
| 20:47.50 | jcapote-work | can kdevelop use subversin? |
| 20:48.02 | canllaith | I think there is a svn kioslave |
| 20:48.23 | jcapote-work | ? |
| 20:48.56 | Osato | lippel__, it does not work! i get errors! |
| 20:48.58 | ponto | there is also a subversion module in kdevelop |
| 20:49.40 | jcapote-work | ponto: where can i find this module? |
| 20:50.07 | ponto | jcapote-work: it's integrated. you can activate it in the project or kdevelop options. |
| 20:50.08 | lippel__ | Osato: what kind? mind that it doesn't _has_ to work with 3.2. |
| 20:50.15 | hedgehair | where should konqueror embedded look for its plugins? java/flash ? |
| 20:53.13 | jcapote-work | ponto: ive clicked around everywhere, can you be a little more specific |
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| 20:54.20 | kapishonas | blah |
| 20:54.23 | kapishonas | i give up |
| 20:54.27 | kapishonas | good night |
| 20:54.37 | ironfroggy | I tried adding an address written in an email to the address book (with the context menu) but it said "Cannot save to address book" any ideas why? |
| 20:54.42 | ironfroggy | using kmail of course |
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| 20:55.58 | canllaith | slayerbob: are you there? |
| 20:56.27 | ponto | jcapote-work: there is a subversion component in the project options |
| 20:57.19 | anis | canllaith: hehe... |
| 20:57.40 | canllaith | :P |
| 20:57.42 | snugglemonkey | :) |
| 20:57.45 | jcapote-work | ok thanks found it |
| 20:58.05 | anis | canllaith: u getting fat now..arr |
| 20:58.13 | canllaith | anis: huh? |
| 20:58.21 | snugglemonkey | ? |
| 20:58.28 | illogic-al | anis! |
| 20:58.40 | illogic-al | anis, when'd you change your nick? |
| 20:58.42 | anis | waaa |
| 20:58.44 | anis | orville!!! |
| 20:58.44 | snugglemonkey | hmmm. anus, that's not very accurate. |
| 20:58.55 | jcapote-work | ponto: ok found it, i dont see like a "svn import" button or something |
| 20:58.55 | anis | illogic-al: hehe..bietch is not suitable for me..im not bitch |
| 20:58.56 | anis | lol! |
| 20:59.02 | Borg^Queen | ironfroggy: !!!! |
| 20:59.10 | illogic-al | anis, heh. too tur. |
| 20:59.19 | canllaith | Yay :) http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/kde-3.4/ got lots of nice screenies and one of the new Kwin transparency features for those who aren't running current cvs head |
| 20:59.19 | ponto | jcapote-work: i have nevre used it. you have to find it yourself |
| 20:59.22 | ironfroggy | Borg^Queen: hey! long time. I stepped in here about 2 minutes after you left the other day. |
| 20:59.32 | Borg^Queen | Oh really |
| 20:59.38 | jcapote-work | ponto: ok thanks |
| 20:59.41 | anis | orville : where have u been ? |
| 20:59.44 | ironfroggy | yeah I'd wondered what you've been up to. |
| 20:59.49 | anis | sighs |
| 21:00.20 | illogic-al | anis, up and about. I'm back at college now and doing work |
| 21:00.24 | illogic-al | or so they tell me. |
| 21:00.26 | Skiver | ahah, konsole reads chinese now |
| 21:00.27 | Borg^Queen | ironfroggy: working, converting a lot of crack monkeys. Teaching them the ways of the source |
| 21:01.00 | Borg^Queen | Do your homework young human |
| 21:01.07 | ironfroggy | Borg^Queen: interesting, especially since i dont know what you're talking about. |
| 21:01.25 | Borg^Queen | whineDOH!s user = Crack Monkey |
| 21:01.30 | anis | illogic-al: gud luck with your studies orville :p |
| 21:01.33 | illogic-al | canllaith, sooo transparencies suck less now? |
| 21:01.34 | Borg^Queen | Converting = Getting them to use Linux |
| 21:01.43 | *** part/#kde jcapote-work (~capotej@vitani.cs.fiu.edu) |
| 21:01.53 | anis | roarr...php is not good for me..i dont know nothing..arr |
| 21:01.53 | illogic-al | anis, how'd your project go last semester (did you actually choose something :-) |
| 21:02.02 | ironfroggy | Borg^Queen: there are just so many different types of crack monkeys in the world today. i wasnt sure which you were talking about. |
| 21:02.03 | Skiver | anis : ask me =] |
| 21:02.20 | Borg^Queen | LOL ironfroggy |
| 21:02.20 | illogic-al | anis, we're using javascript (shudder) |
| 21:02.21 | Skiver | Borg^Queen : it can be harder than religion conversion. |
| 21:02.32 | Borg^Queen | Aye that it can |
| 21:02.34 | illogic-al | I already use php on my site (but I hide it well :-) |
| 21:02.40 | anis | illogic-al: arr..my pointer is worst :( |
| 21:03.03 | anis | and this semester is my final project..doing something with python+wxpython |
| 21:03.13 | ironfroggy | I'm actually getting more and more disgruntled as a linux user these days. |
| 21:03.20 | anis | Skiver: arr..i just want to install php in my webhosting |
| 21:04.05 | anis | http://www.sbpstudents.net/portal/ <--- nice one |
| 21:04.11 | Skiver | normal webhost would have that enabled |
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| 21:04.39 | ironfroggy | i think my address book has an invalid lock on it somewhere... |
| 21:04.43 | ironfroggy | any ideas what i can do about that? |
| 21:04.58 | anis | Skiver: yes i know that..but i want learn it,not just click and install |
| 21:05.59 | ironfroggy | Borg^Queen: so how are the conversions coming? |
| 21:06.09 | Skiver | anis : i'm confused, u rented a server or what ? |
| 21:06.26 | Borg^Queen | Very good. Once the get over the "But that not how we do it in WhineDOH!s |
| 21:06.30 | Borg^Queen | phase they're good |
| 21:06.39 | anis | Skiver: webhosting.yahoo.com , i have one webhosting which are my brother owned it |
| 21:06.51 | Borg^Queen | They usually become addicted to the power and can't stand the thought of going back |
| 21:06.57 | Borg^Queen | Although 3 have |
| 21:07.08 | Borg^Queen | They wanted "instant" everything |
| 21:07.10 | ironfroggy | Borg^Queen: I had a failed conversion recently... didnt anticipate the needs and was not able myself to help them find all the alternative tools they needed. |
| 21:07.23 | Borg^Queen | Aye, |
| 21:07.34 | Borg^Queen | Something like that happened too |
| 21:08.14 | anis | Skiver: if i can do the php-nuke thingy without database is fair enough for me |
| 21:08.18 | Skiver | anis : which package did your brother subcribe ? |
| 21:08.29 | ironfroggy | Borg^Queen: thing is tho, i think they should get instant everything. a powerful OS doesnt have to sacrifice usability and ease of learning. |
| 21:08.40 | anis | Skiver: small business... |
| 21:08.49 | ironfroggy | Borg^Queen: I'm thinking of saving up and getting an iBook. |
| 21:08.50 | anis | Skiver: supports php and perl... |
| 21:09.33 | Borg^Queen | They're very nice, ibooks |
| 21:09.41 | Borg^Queen | They run linux so well |
| 21:09.53 | Skiver | anis : they have installed php on the server, all u need to do is upload php scripts |
| 21:10.06 | ironfroggy | Borg^Queen: be honest, I'm really having my doubts about linux. |
| 21:10.21 | Borg^Queen | really why? |
| 21:10.32 | ironfroggy | Borg^Queen: besides, we have to ask ourselves what attracted us to linux in the first place, and if there are other systems out there which acheive those attributes better. |
| 21:10.45 | Borg^Queen | some distros are better at packaging it than others. What are you using? |
| 21:10.45 | ironfroggy | Borg^Queen: lots and lots of things to nag about. |
| 21:11.04 | Borg^Queen | pick a big one. |
| 21:11.15 | Borg^Queen | I'm so happy with Linux. |
| 21:11.26 | ironfroggy | Borg^Queen: I'll pick two. |
| 21:11.43 | ironfroggy | Borg^Queen: 1) distribution and packaging systems always leave something to be desired. |
| 21:11.48 | Skiver | anis : or u mean u want php running on your machine for development ? |
| 21:12.10 | anis | Skiver: yes..i want php which are i can install themes etc etc on it |
| 21:12.11 | ironfroggy | Borg^Queen: 2) the kernel and particularly its monolithic nature and the illusion of any value from modules. |
| 21:12.29 | anis | Skiver: wait..i try to install php on hosting..just click and install..wait i show ya |
| 21:12.52 | Borg^Queen | WhineDOH!s packaging is horrible. So no diff. |
| 21:13.05 | Borg^Queen | As for modules, well yes they're hard but it will become easier |
| 21:13.11 | Skiver | errr, what's a php theme ? |
| 21:14.55 | anis | Skiver: ar i think http://www.sbpstudents.net/portal/ use platinum theme |
| 21:15.08 | ironfroggy | Borg^Queen: windows has the benefit of not having so many conflicting fs layouts and such, but im not comparing it to windows. im just saying that in general, things leave a lot to be desired. |
| 21:15.51 | Borg^Queen | Sadly I work with whinedohs everyday. There are many problems with incompatibility |
| 21:16.09 | lauri | the conflicting fs layouts wouldn't be an issue if people would turn to their distribution for support before they turn upstream |
| 21:16.38 | Borg^Queen | Currently norton's isn't compatible with the scsi cdrom drivers on win 98 to xp so people can't rip without a great mess |
| 21:17.00 | Borg^Queen | lauri: good point |
| 21:17.08 | lauri | for every problem we spend an hour fixing in here that's distribution specific, the user could have probably got an answer in 2 minutes if they'd asked somewhere dedicated to their distribution - KDE doesn't provide the binary packages, the distributions do, and they are the ones who know how they customized them |
| 21:17.16 | Skiver | anis : i get what u mean, those are programs written by others. u want to install one of those ? |
| 21:17.29 | Skiver | anis : like phpnuke, phpbb etc ? |
| 21:17.33 | anis | hmm..i disturb #kde about php thingy ? |
| 21:17.50 | anis | Skiver: yes..i want php-nuke and modify it |
| 21:17.51 | Skiver | lol |
| 21:17.56 | Skiver | let's go private |
| 21:17.59 | ironfroggy | lauri: thats the main problem that i see tho. there are so many layers between the developers to the users, when a new version of KDE comes out, for example, how long can it take before your distribution has packages or what-not for it available? |
| 21:17.59 | lauri | you know, nobody is going to kick you out for asking, but this is exactly what I'm talking about |
| 21:18.18 | Borg^Queen | indeed |
| 21:18.20 | lauri | why not ask in #php? where there are people interested and available and actually know the answers? |
| 21:18.36 | lauri | ironfroggy: mine? they're ready for the release announcement - I'm one of the packagers |
| 21:18.52 | Borg^Queen | What distro? |
| 21:18.56 | lauri | and we get the final tarballs a week or more in advance especially so they *will* be ready for the release announcement |
| 21:19.01 | lauri | same as all the distributions |
| 21:19.29 | anis | Skiver: http://kde.myfedora.org/ |
| 21:19.40 | Borg^Queen | lauri: you package for who? |
| 21:19.46 | anis | see that..that php-nuke is easy installation on webhosting..just click and install |
| 21:19.48 | lauri | so if yours isn't done, (and ok, we're occasionally a day or two late, shit happens) - but if it routinely takes days weeks or months to get packages, then your distribution is just slacking |
| 21:19.51 | lauri | Borg^Queen: FreeBSD |
| 21:19.56 | anis | just takes 5 min doing that |
| 21:20.00 | lauri | which is not a linux distribution at all |
| 21:20.00 | Borg^Queen | Kool |
| 21:20.14 | Borg^Queen | Aye |
| 21:20.39 | lauri | but considering we're volunteer and open source, and we can do it, the distributions with paid packaging staff really have no excuses |
| 21:20.57 | Borg^Queen | Very true |
| 21:21.46 | anis | canllaith: she went to bed ? owh..thats great |
| 21:21.47 | Borg^Queen | ironfroggy: don't give up. All this will come to pass as you learn more. |
| 21:22.36 | *** part/#kde snugglemonkey (~snugglemo@24.247.4.118.gha.mi.chartermi.net) |
| 21:22.48 | Borg^Queen | There no obstacle in linux knowledge can not hurdle! |
| 21:23.16 | Borg^Queen | That's an orignal Borg Saying |
| 21:24.04 | anis | waaa... |
| 21:24.11 | anis | Remote closed the connection |
| 21:24.18 | Borg^Queen | lol |
| 21:24.34 | anis | he just want to help me..no luck today! :( |
| 21:24.58 | Borg^Queen | :( |
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| 21:25.49 | Borg^Queen | sleeps or weeps |
| 21:25.56 | Borg^Queen | Hey there he is! |
| 21:25.59 | anis | i have 200 USd...sighs |
| 21:26.00 | Skiver | nice, my X just restarted itself |
| 21:26.02 | anis | argg! |
| 21:26.17 | anis | Skiver: your X tired :p |
| 21:26.18 | Borg^Queen | Don't slap him if he's helping. Offer him chocolate |
| 21:26.42 | anis | thanks Borg^Queen for the suggestion |
| 21:28.56 | Borg^Queen | We're talking coke cola yes? |
| 21:29.29 | anis | do u like vanilla coke Borg^Queen ? |
| 21:29.36 | anis | :p |
| 21:29.46 | Borg^Queen | Vannilla nope |
| 21:29.52 | anis | cherry coke ? |
| 21:30.05 | Borg^Queen | nope classic, I'm very old |
| 21:30.15 | Borg^Queen | Well maybe cherry |
| 21:30.29 | lauri | american coke (classic or not) tastes funny to me, fake sugar |
| 21:30.43 | lauri | but not as funny as canadian sodas with no caffeine |
| 21:30.49 | Borg^Queen | I don't drink or use fake sugar. Too dangerous |
| 21:30.55 | lauri | (mountain dew with no caffeine? what's the *point*) |
| 21:31.00 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 21:31.10 | Borg^Queen | I don't uuuuuseeeeeee cccafffeiene |
| 21:31.13 | lauri | Borg^Queen: coke in the US uses corn syrup, in europe it's real sugar, there is a marked taste difference |
| 21:31.22 | canllaith | lauri: what do they use in NZ ? |
| 21:31.40 | canllaith | The glass bottled stuff tastes nice |
| 21:31.40 | Borg^Queen | I like corn |
| 21:31.43 | lauri | canllaith: used to be sugar back, but i haven't tried any in a long time |
| 21:31.57 | anis | Borg^Queen: old ? 65 yrs old ? |
| 21:31.58 | canllaith | lauri: I guess I should look at the label when I pick up breakfast then :P |
| 21:32.00 | lauri | it's got a sort of a sharper taste, the corn syrup stuff is actually sweeter |
| 21:32.04 | anis | kakak..pergi tido! |
| 21:32.08 | Borg^Queen | 4441 |
| 21:32.16 | anis | kakak gila..truly gila |
| 21:32.33 | lauri | it's a preference thing though, they've used the corn syrup in the US so long, in fact it's one of the reasons they did the "new recipe" that flopped like mad back in the 80s |
| 21:32.56 | Borg^Queen | lauri: it flopped because it tasted like shit |
| 21:32.59 | lauri | and when they went back to the original recipe, they didn't go back to real sugar - I've always thought it was actually all carefully planned to switch peoples tastes |
| 21:33.29 | Borg^Queen | the corn syp has been used since the late 70s |
| 21:33.33 | lauri | Borg^Queen: right, I reckon they did that on purpose, so they could sneak that sugar change in, and you all wouldn't notice, because even with that, the classic recipe is way better than that other tripe they were making |
| 21:33.37 | anis | corn syrup ? |
| 21:33.37 | lauri | Borg^Queen: regionally though |
| 21:33.52 | Borg^Queen | In the whole of North US |
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| 21:34.07 | lauri | there's still a couple of places you can get real sugar in the coke (I surprisingly got some in Georgia in the mid 90s) |
| 21:34.27 | Borg^Queen | LOL you can also get it with real coke too |
| 21:34.32 | Borg^Queen | In the south |
| 21:34.39 | lauri | heh, that wouldn't surprise me either :) |
| 21:34.47 | Borg^Queen | Aye |
| 21:35.05 | anis | i must go to NZ one day..arr when! |
| 21:35.13 | lauri | I also got chocolate flavoured coke in the south |
| 21:35.23 | lauri | they're really frigging weird sometimes down there |
| 21:35.24 | Borg^Queen | Aye, I plan to go to Aussie and NZ and Canada |
| 21:35.36 | canllaith | chocolate flavoured coke? |
| 21:35.39 | Borg^Queen | Germany, England, Ireland, Scottland |
| 21:35.44 | anis | i thought u are in canada right now Borg^Queen |
| 21:35.49 | Borg^Queen | They have chocolatge flavoured coke |
| 21:35.52 | lauri | and coke + peanut butter + chocolate milkshakes |
| 21:35.57 | Borg^Queen | Nope, I'm in the US now |
| 21:36.02 | lauri | I didn't actually dare taste *that* though |
| 21:36.09 | anis | Borg^Queen: Texas ? |
| 21:36.10 | Borg^Queen | ouch |
| 21:36.16 | lauri | just seeing it on the menu board made me feel green |
| 21:36.20 | Borg^Queen | TEXAS? Hell NO! |
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| 21:36.25 | Borg^Queen | New Joisey! |
| 21:36.44 | Borg^Queen | Nu Joisey that is |
| 21:36.52 | anis | New Jersey or Joisey ? |
| 21:37.04 | Borg^Queen | Nu Joisey |
| 21:37.07 | Borg^Queen | Say it right |
| 21:37.14 | Exis | Is there any way I can get a list of dependencies for installing KDE 3.3.2 on FC2? |
| 21:37.15 | anis | never heard it before... |
| 21:37.28 | Borg^Queen | Its New Jersey |
| 21:37.52 | Borg^Queen | The people are very nice here. |
| 21:37.53 | anis | hihi |
| 21:37.54 | Exis | When I attempt it, I get this laundry list of libraries without any indication of what rpms they're supposed to be in. |
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| 21:38.02 | Borg^Queen | Decent and polite |
| 21:38.02 | Flendor | Hello. |
| 21:38.12 | anis | alert alert *Flendor* was here! |
| 21:38.14 | anis | heya Flendor |
| 21:38.16 | Borg^Queen | Hello Flendor |
| 21:38.21 | Flendor | Hello anis |
| 21:38.23 | Borg^Queen | Stop talking about him |
| 21:38.24 | Flendor | Hello Borgy |
| 21:38.25 | canllaith | Exis: for something so very very distro specific you are best to ask in #fedora |
| 21:38.36 | canllaith | they can probably point you to an apt or yum repo that will sort it all out for you. |
| 21:39.02 | Borg^Queen | Exis: just do a google/linux search for each one. Itwill give you the package they come in |
| 21:39.20 | canllaith | Yep that is about what I do when on an RPM based system lol |
| 21:39.33 | canllaith | Lots of joyful hunts on google I have had :P |
| 21:39.36 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 21:39.47 | Exis | sigh |
| 21:39.51 | Exis | rpm hell |
| 21:39.53 | Exis | gotta love it |
| 21:39.58 | Borg^Queen | Exactly |
| 21:40.06 | Borg^Queen | Which is why I plan to go to Debian |
| 21:40.24 | Borg^Queen | Although I understand Mandrake has it under control |
| 21:40.29 | canllaith | I think I have installed a few rpms on my slack box actually |
| 21:40.49 | canllaith | which cracks me up, since the rpm database has nothing in it. You haven't seen a laundry list of dependancies until you try to install an rpm on slackware. |
| 21:41.02 | canllaith | It starts at /bin/sh not installed! and just goes on for pages and pages and pages |
| 21:41.15 | Exis | hehe |
| 21:41.56 | Exis | it's almost tempting just to use --nodeps |
| 21:42.05 | Exis | but that might really hose things up |
| 21:42.10 | canllaith | mmm it might |
| 21:42.42 | Borg^Queen | it will |
| 21:42.44 | canllaith | and sometimes in the past doing that I have ended up with weirdness |
| 21:43.01 | canllaith | eg, I use --nodeps and it doesn't quite work. So I uninstall every rpm I just instaleld, and replace them with the original system files |
| 21:43.09 | canllaith | and somehow it just refuses to go back |
| 21:43.29 | canllaith | at least slack lets me use and abuse it's non-packaging system maliciously and still work. |
| 21:44.20 | Borg^Queen | Ok so far this hard drive has 518 viruses |
| 21:44.35 | canllaith | :| |
| 21:44.45 | Borg^Queen | A crack monkey's hard drive |
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| 21:45.18 | Borg^Queen | 548 |
| 21:45.40 | Borg^Queen | about to break the record |
| 21:45.48 | Flendor | What is the record? |
| 21:45.49 | anis | Borg^Queen: worms ? |
| 21:45.51 | canllaith | I wonder where my NAV screenshot is |
| 21:46.00 | canllaith | I have over a thousand virii found on a single computer once |
| 21:46.17 | canllaith | I took a screenshot... he'd been downloading .vbs files off kazaa thinking they were mp3's |
| 21:46.18 | Borg^Queen | Get out |
| 21:46.25 | Borg^Queen | anis: everything |
| 21:46.26 | Borg^Queen | 601 |
| 21:46.36 | Flendor | Heh |
| 21:46.40 | Borg^Queen | canllaith: who did? |
| 21:46.45 | canllaith | Borg^Queen: just a customer |
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| 21:46.53 | Borg^Queen | I don't feel so bad now |
| 21:47.15 | Borg^Queen | I'm gonna hug you and kiss you and add you to my collective |
| 21:47.22 | Borg^Queen | Too late |
| 21:47.29 | snugglemonkey | :-D |
| 21:47.38 | Borg^Queen | 610 |
| 21:47.44 | Borg^Queen | Holly crap lol |
| 21:48.09 | Flendor | What are you using to search for virii? I heard Kaspersky is pretty good.. |
| 21:48.22 | Borg^Queen | this cat is throwing stuff at me from the shelf |
| 21:48.28 | anis | linux also got virus ? |
| 21:48.36 | snugglemonkey | So... anyone know if kdebase builds without problems today? |
| 21:48.42 | Flendor | "Let me hear you make decisions...without your tellyvision.." |
| 21:48.43 | Borg^Queen | I'm using bitdefender and f-prot |
| 21:48.54 | Borg^Queen | kaspersky? |
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| 21:49.07 | Flendor | Yup |
| 21:49.11 | Flendor | A Russian anti-virus |
| 21:49.30 | Borg^Queen | GPL? |
| 21:50.04 | Flendor | Nope |
| 21:50.08 | Flendor | Commercial |
| 21:50.27 | Flendor | Are the programs you listed GPL? I didn't know there were GPL Anti-viruses :/ |
| 21:50.58 | Borg^Queen | sort of, |
| 21:51.07 | Borg^Queen | f-prot is shared source |
| 21:51.24 | Borg^Queen | the rest are LGPL for home users. PL for com |
| 21:51.37 | Borg^Queen | poor snugglemonkey |
| 21:51.43 | Borg^Queen | He needs hugs |
| 21:52.07 | Borg^Queen | eeewww |
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| 21:52.37 | Borg^Queen | eeeww monkey poop |
| 21:53.07 | Borg^Queen | Oh how gross |
| 21:53.38 | Borg^Queen | just found a skin call ooozing maggots |
| 21:53.41 | Borg^Queen | lovely |
| 21:53.47 | canllaith | :| |
| 21:54.03 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: it works here at least it did |
| 21:54.18 | Borg^Queen | better check |
| 21:54.22 | canllaith | a few hours ago |
| 21:54.24 | Flendor | A skin call oozing maggots? |
| 21:54.25 | snugglemonkey | it borked on Konsole. |
| 21:54.27 | Borg^Queen | ok 610 complete scan |
| 21:54.35 | Borg^Queen | Flendor: yes, gross |
| 21:54.36 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: you really have no luck on konsole :| |
| 21:54.41 | Borg^Queen | lol |
| 21:54.44 | snugglemonkey | :) |
| 21:55.01 | snugglemonkey | hey now. I'm doing better. I deserve some props. |
| 21:55.10 | Borg^Queen | konsole doesn't like him |
| 21:55.16 | Borg^Queen | props |
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| 21:56.10 | Borg^Queen | wow pronto left quickly HA! I kill me! |
| 21:56.16 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: I've decided that I'm going to do nothing but compile the rest of my life, and read error messages. Screw designing things. |
| 21:56.29 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 21:56.31 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: oh it's just so fulfilling and interesting and fun isn't it :) |
| 21:56.37 | canllaith | I love it, it's the highlight of my day |
| 21:57.04 | Borg^Queen | canllaith: thanks to you I'm going over 500 skins |
| 21:57.10 | canllaith | :) |
| 21:57.46 | Exis | #fedora is about the most unhelpful place in the whole world |
| 21:57.57 | snugglemonkey | next to #mandrake |
| 21:58.00 | Borg^Queen | No no, a metal fettish |
| 21:58.09 | Borg^Queen | App fettish |
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| 21:58.23 | Exis | I was accused of being a n00b because I don't know all the ins and outs of the yum command line. |
| 21:58.42 | canllaith | ah well |
| 21:58.46 | Exis | happens |
| 21:58.46 | Borg^Queen | Where was this? |
| 21:58.48 | canllaith | who cares what they call you if you get an answer? :) |
| 21:59.05 | Exis | I didn't get much of an answer. |
| 21:59.15 | Borg^Queen | Hmm |
| 21:59.20 | Borg^Queen | Piss them then |
| 21:59.23 | bushwakko | Exis: the problem seemed to be your noobness then |
| 21:59.37 | snugglemonkey | Exis: I thought the whole purpose of Fedora was not HAVING to use the command line. |
| 21:59.40 | Exis | Only enough info to figure out that the files I'm looking for aren't in any of the rpm repositories I have listed. |
| 21:59.45 | Frost^ | Exis, is yum better than apt-rpm? |
| 21:59.59 | Exis | Honestly, I don't know. |
| 22:00.02 | Borg^Queen | If you get rid of the CL you're making a big mistake |
| 22:00.14 | Borg^Queen | Fedora? What's the deal exis |
| 22:00.16 | Exis | I've been using Linux since RH 5.2 |
| 22:00.27 | Borg^Queen | Aye |
| 22:00.40 | vmac | synthesizer control available on KDE ? |
| 22:00.42 | Frost^ | that's a long time |
| 22:00.43 | Exis | so I'm quite comfortable with the command line. |
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| 22:00.53 | vmac | heavy duty synth control |
| 22:01.01 | Exis | I use it over graphical tools a lot of the time, because I feel more comfortable knowing exactly what's going on. |
| 22:01.04 | Frost^ | I've been with linux for 18 months or so |
| 22:01.46 | Exis | cools |
| 22:01.54 | Skiver | ? |
| 22:02.06 | Skiver | Exis : what do u want to do with yum |
| 22:02.46 | Borg^Queen | exis what do you need, what is the problem? |
| 22:02.49 | Exis | Oh, I'm trying to install the dependencies for KDE 3.3 |
| 22:03.01 | Exis | And I think I finally hit on the right google search to find docs on what to do. |
| 22:03.09 | Borg^Queen | Ooooh, that's a nasty job on Fedora |
| 22:03.21 | Skiver | fedora core 3 has kde 3.3 |
| 22:03.50 | Exis | yeah |
| 22:04.03 | Exis | but every time I install a new version of linux, it slams all my customizations. |
| 22:04.09 | Exis | I'm trying to hold off until FC4. :) |
| 22:04.32 | Borg^Queen | Is it any better? |
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| 22:04.40 | Frost^ | it's so weird to have kontact loaded in 2 seconds |
| 22:04.43 | Borg^Queen | I mean I hear terrible things about fedora |
| 22:04.47 | Skiver | Exis : kde-redhat.org has apt/yum repo |
| 22:05.00 | Exis | yeah, just saw that |
| 22:05.27 | Exis | BQ: If what you have works, don't switch to Fedora. |
| 22:05.37 | Exis | I'm only using it because I'm most familiar with the way Redhat is set up |
| 22:05.57 | Frost^ | Exis, never tried anything else? |
| 22:06.00 | Exis | that said, now that I've got everything configured, it's stable and pleasant. |
| 22:06.03 | Exis | Nope. |
| 22:06.09 | Borg^Queen | I'm using RH 9.0 on this machine and testing Debian on others. Mandrake too |
| 22:06.17 | Frost^ | very persistent I must say :) |
| 22:06.18 | Exis | been thinking about Mandrake or Debian, though |
| 22:06.26 | Skiver | Debian is the only home |
| 22:06.28 | Frost^ | I used RH 9 for a month, I really liked it |
| 22:06.39 | Borg^Queen | Skiver: ? |
| 22:06.53 | Borg^Queen | RH9 is very stable but limited |
| 22:06.58 | Exis | yeah, RH9 was nice. |
| 22:07.00 | Flendor | Good night. |
| 22:07.05 | Borg^Queen | GN |
| 22:07.07 | Skiver | Redhat bundles everything in every release |
| 22:07.10 | Borg^Queen | Skiver: Debian user? |
| 22:07.22 | Exis | it's hard deciding whether to keep the stability or go for new features |
| 22:07.25 | Borg^Queen | Skiver: Not really but it was easy to get it all |
| 22:07.28 | Skiver | which makes your installation goes up to at least 3gb |
| 22:07.39 | canllaith | With updated kernels and services of course. |
| 22:07.43 | Exis | but since most of what I care about is part of the GUI, I'm hoping upgrading KDE will tide me over. :) |
| 22:07.44 | Borg^Queen | Yeah, 3gbs lol |
| 22:08.00 | Frost^ | hmm konqueror in 3.4b1 has quite some rendering issues |
| 22:08.02 | Skiver | Borg^Queen : yes debian |
| 22:08.02 | Borg^Queen | Skiver: are you a debian user? |
| 22:08.13 | Frost^ | I hope these are bugs and not new features |
| 22:08.14 | Frost^ | :) |
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| 22:08.17 | Borg^Queen | So you're the carbon based unit to go to if I need help |
| 22:08.44 | canllaith | Yikes. |
| 22:09.09 | Borg^Queen | The middle one? |
| 22:09.24 | Skiver | Borg^Queen : #debian is popular =P |
| 22:09.37 | Borg^Queen | Aye but why? Is it that good? |
| 22:09.40 | Borg^Queen | Say yes LOL |
| 22:10.59 | Borg^Queen | do you think I scared him? |
| 22:11.01 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: does a person "need" the kdesupport module? |
| 22:11.03 | anis | there u are.. |
| 22:11.11 | Renze | ow! |
| 22:11.14 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: ummm depends what you're building |
| 22:11.15 | anis | Renze: go and take the bath~! |
| 22:11.18 | canllaith | I think it has stuff in there juk wants |
| 22:11.33 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: I build it all... waste not, want not... |
| 22:11.36 | snugglemonkey | lol |
| 22:11.40 | canllaith | lol ok then |
| 22:11.51 | canllaith | I go the selective route :) |
| 22:12.30 | canllaith | I go into every module and only build what I want (only kopete from kdenetwork, only juk & noatun from kdemultimedia, etc) |
| 22:12.36 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: I like to build everything with like J4 or something, in a manner that no errors are traceable... and then, try to trace them |
| 22:12.58 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: I will probably go your route after the next fail. :) |
| 22:13.15 | canllaith | It will require some coaching and unsermake makes it easier |
| 22:13.17 | Skiver | alright people |
| 22:13.21 | Skiver | i'm going to sleep |
| 22:13.25 | Skiver | good night |
| 22:13.31 | Borg^Queen | gn |
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| 22:13.45 | Borg^Queen | slacker |
| 22:14.01 | canllaith | lol |
| 22:14.03 | Borg^Queen | LOL good |
| 22:14.04 | canllaith | Do you sing well ? |
| 22:14.11 | snugglemonkey | Like a bird. |
| 22:14.13 | Borg^Queen | Shanana |
| 22:14.17 | snugglemonkey | ...perhaps a crow. |
| 22:14.20 | Borg^Queen | Ah |
| 22:14.40 | Borg^Queen | snugglemonkey: relax dood I'm female |
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| 22:15.29 | Borg^Queen | I know I can see it |
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| 22:15.41 | Renze | we all can |
| 22:15.48 | Borg^Queen | We see everything |
| 22:16.34 | Borg^Queen | I'm glad we switched to the airborn, remote cam as opposed to the nostril cam. |
| 22:17.20 | canllaith | What was I doing.... |
| 22:17.26 | canllaith | I opened konqui for a reason |
| 22:17.36 | Borg^Queen | You were getting chocolate from me canllaith |
| 22:17.41 | canllaith | oooh I was? :D |
| 22:17.51 | Borg^Queen | You were ordering Godiva for me |
| 22:17.57 | Borg^Queen | :D |
| 22:18.02 | Borg^Queen | Hey thiago |
| 22:18.10 | Borg^Queen | OH well |
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| 22:19.49 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: how do I get on the list of cool people that get mailings of when stuff doesn't build - so on the RARE case that it isn't my fault, I don't keep trying to find why it isn't working? |
| 22:20.05 | canllaith | lol snugglemonkey um lets have a look on what list they whinge the most. |
| 22:21.01 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: yeah, kde-devel seems to have the most number of whinges |
| 22:21.04 | canllaith | according to grep |
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| 22:22.18 | Borg^Queen | or is it kaos |
| 22:22.46 | thiago | if it's KDE, then "kaos" :) |
| 22:22.48 | canllaith | Kaos definitely |
| 22:22.51 | canllaith | heh snap :) |
| 22:22.53 | canllaith | hi there thiago |
| 22:23.14 | Borg^Queen | :) |
| 22:23.42 | LinuxNIT | anyone know how to use kdialog? |
| 22:23.50 | Renze | at my university, KAOS was "Killing As-an Organised Sport" |
| 22:23.52 | illogic-al | Let me see your 1 - 2 step |
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| 22:27.04 | thiago | hey canllaith |
| 22:27.24 | canllaith | how are you? |
| 22:28.25 | Borg^Queen | How is he? How dare you question is existance! |
| 22:28.29 | Borg^Queen | Hey PhilRod |
| 22:28.49 | lauri | I'm not sure of the technological benefits |
| 22:28.53 | Borg^Queen | Well we are very careful now since that Beavus and Buttborg incident |
| 22:28.58 | lauri | but it may do great things for borg fashion sense |
| 22:29.05 | Borg^Queen | What? |
| 22:29.17 | Borg^Queen | Hey Black is ALWAYS in fashion |
| 22:29.25 | lauri | you could have leoben for the boyborgs too |
| 22:29.28 | PhilRod | hiya Borg^Queen |
| 22:29.38 | Borg^Queen | leoben? |
| 22:29.57 | lauri | one of the other models, dunno his number |
| 22:30.19 | lauri | for a robot, he's pretty hot stuff |
| 22:30.31 | Borg^Queen | I have no idea what you're talk about now |
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| 22:31.37 | Borg^Queen | lol |
| 22:31.50 | snugglemonkey | Yeah I do, in a private channel... |
| 22:31.51 | Borg^Queen | Is that song to the tune of "I sing the body electric" |
| 22:31.55 | snugglemonkey | :) |
| 22:31.56 | Exis | thanks for the help, folks. |
| 22:32.02 | Exis | Time to restart X and see if this worked. :) |
| 22:32.02 | Borg^Queen | :) |
| 22:32.14 | Exis | peace |
| 22:33.00 | Borg^Queen | I have about 3500 tunes on my master-B playlist |
| 22:33.10 | illogic-al | now I can listen to all the hip hop I want and not steal :-) |
| 22:33.16 | Borg^Queen | Not in the closest about anything babe |
| 22:33.43 | Renze | you're missing out... closets can be fun :) |
| 22:33.46 | snugglemonkey | 3500, that's about 3 months with no repeats. |
| 22:33.48 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 22:33.59 | Borg^Queen | snugglemonkey: aye |
| 22:34.10 | snugglemonkey | Out in public, in traffic barrel is much more exciting. |
| 22:34.15 | Borg^Queen | Renze: what do you mean? |
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| 22:34.27 | Borg^Queen | snugglemonkey: holy crap |
| 22:34.48 | Renze | Borg^Queen: do borg not have imagination? :) |
| 22:35.06 | Borg^Queen | Oh I do, my dear. I do. |
| 22:35.09 | andrewski | i just tried out gtk-qt and i'd like to revert to my normal gtk theme; do i need to delete .gtk or .qt or .kde in ~? |
| 22:35.14 | Borg^Queen | A dangerous one some would say. |
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| 22:35.46 | Renze | bob! |
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| 22:37.05 | canllaith | andrewski: most definitely not .kde |
| 22:37.21 | Borg^Queen | bob run for your life! |
| 22:37.23 | canllaith | andrewski: rename ~/.gtkrc-2.0 or use the control center applet for it |
| 22:38.10 | Borg^Queen | ok that was strange |
| 22:38.44 | Borg^Queen | Good they're working |
| 22:39.04 | Renze | ack! |
| 22:40.07 | Borg^Queen | Renze: lower your shields. You will be assimilated. You will comply. |
| 22:40.13 | Borg^Queen | Resistance is futile. |
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| 22:40.55 | Borg^Queen | slayerbob: why did you let it run out of power hmmm? Where you not paying attention? Don't you think you should take better care of your things? |
| 22:41.13 | slayerbob | Borg^Queen: was not paying attention :P |
| 22:41.14 | Borg^Queen | MY EYES MY EYES! |
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| 22:42.02 | Renze | borg are easy to defeat :) |
| 22:42.02 | snugglemonkey | Renze: where are you at that has Cicadas this time of year? |
| 22:42.10 | Borg^Queen | I shall not smile again, or know the good things of life. For I have seen the abyss of hell. |
| 22:42.12 | canllaith | He is near me. |
| 22:42.15 | Renze | snugglemonkey: somewhere where it is summer |
| 22:42.25 | lauri | Borg^Queen: other psylon dude you need to assimilate (in the middle) http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/s1/graphics/108_18.shtml |
| 22:42.31 | Borg^Queen | ok |
| 22:42.46 | snugglemonkey | Renze: but this is only every so many years though?!?? Not every year? |
| 22:42.58 | Renze | snugglemonkey: no, every year |
| 22:43.11 | canllaith | The same procedure as every year James....... |
| 22:43.17 | canllaith | (sorry couldn't help myself) |
| 22:43.20 | snugglemonkey | Whoa. We have them every 17 years. |
| 22:43.29 | Borg^Queen | Ooh Cylons! |
| 22:44.13 | Borg^Queen | Yeah they're cute |
| 22:44.15 | lauri | is it cylon? I never know how to spell that |
| 22:44.33 | Borg^Queen | Cylon yes |
| 22:44.46 | Borg^Queen | Not to worry. It doesn't matter |
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| 22:45.14 | Borg^Queen | I saw the pilot movie on TV |
| 22:45.42 | Borg^Queen | Ooh no, Hatch |
| 22:46.28 | Renze | Richard Hatch was Apollo |
| 22:46.34 | Renze | <--- old man |
| 22:46.36 | lauri | oooh, no, he was funny looking |
| 22:46.51 | lauri | but you can throw dirk benedict at me any day |
| 22:46.56 | Borg^Queen | Now he's cute |
| 22:47.00 | Borg^Queen | and Boomer |
| 22:47.01 | canllaith | http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222&from=rss |
| 22:47.08 | lauri | ok, hatch was ok, but had really really dorky hair (he's pretty fine now he's older though) |
| 22:47.16 | Borg^Queen | Now Boomer's a chick, and cute too. And a cylon |
| 22:47.21 | AchiestDragon | got a problem , when doing a cvs it echoes downloaded files to consol and does not write them to disk |
| 22:47.26 | lauri | yeah, well, never did much like boomer |
| 22:47.39 | canllaith | That sounds very improbable |
| 22:47.40 | Borg^Queen | don't you hate that about men? They get getter looking as they get older |
| 22:48.05 | lauri | damn, he got better older too |
| 22:48.22 | Renze | Borg^Queen: I dispute that assertion |
| 22:48.34 | Borg^Queen | Most not all |
| 22:49.03 | illogic-al | cylons? |
| 22:49.08 | illogic-al | Galactica! |
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| 22:49.16 | illogic-al | I missed last weeks episode. |
| 22:49.20 | illogic-al | arse. |
| 22:49.27 | vbhander | what can i use to remote desktop to a winxp pc? |
| 22:49.28 | Renze | it doesn't screen here yet |
| 22:50.15 | Borg^Queen | kool |
| 22:50.34 | illogic-al | Galactica is the new Atlantis :-) |
| 22:50.35 | andrewski | canllaith, i tried using the control center applet, but all it has is: use kde fonts or this specific one. i want to fallback to my gtk fonts.... |
| 22:50.53 | lauri | atlantis is pretty good |
| 22:51.06 | canllaith | andrewski: so remove the gtkrc-2.0 file |
| 22:51.07 | illogic-al | yeah. i haven't seen nay of the new season though. |
| 22:51.09 | canllaith | like already mentioned |
| 22:51.11 | lauri | see, mussy just-got-outta-bed-hair shepherd, I could take home too |
| 22:51.13 | Borg^Queen | Galatica rocks. I love the way they did it in documentary style |
| 22:51.17 | tarobap | what can i use to remote desktop to a winxp pc? |
| 22:51.18 | lauri | if I didn't already have dirk benedict to deal with |
| 22:51.20 | andrewski | canllaith, ok. thanks. |
| 22:51.26 | canllaith | tarobap: rdesktop, google for it |
| 22:52.30 | Borg^Queen | well time to go. |
| 22:52.34 | Borg^Queen | GN or D to all |
| 22:52.42 | Renze | nite borgy |
| 22:52.43 | canllaith | GN borgy |
| 22:52.50 | illogic-al | night Borg^Queen |
| 22:52.51 | Borg^Queen | :D |
| 22:52.57 | Renze | borg borg borg |
| 22:53.11 | illogic-al | badger badger badger |
| 22:53.18 | andrewski | canllaith, that worked. thanks for the help. |
| 22:53.19 | Renze | ow! |
| 22:53.24 | illogic-al | Borg^Queen, love you too |
| 22:53.28 | Borg^Queen | Muahahahahhahha! |
| 22:53.28 | canllaith | andrewski: yw |
| 22:54.41 | illogic-al | gosh |
| 22:54.46 | illogic-al | we're losing people. |
| 22:55.13 | lauri | i think it was the badger badger badger |
| 22:55.22 | canllaith | mushroom mushroom |
| 22:55.34 | Renze | badgers? we don' need no skeeenkin' badgers! |
| 22:55.42 | lauri | snake! |
| 22:56.02 | lauri | gotta love a man in a kilt |
| 22:56.23 | canllaith | When I told him I wanted a traditional scots wedding |
| 22:56.25 | canllaith | <grin> |
| 22:56.28 | lauri | heh |
| 22:56.34 | illogic-al | lauri, for a sec there, i thought you were talking about solid snake. |
| 22:56.38 | canllaith | (I was kidding. 6'4 and lanky is NOT a good look in a kilt) |
| 22:56.44 | lauri | I once got stuck at glasgow airport for 6 hours |
| 22:57.01 | lauri | it flew by, such scenery |
| 22:57.07 | lauri | and that was inside the terminal |
| 22:57.09 | canllaith | heh |
| 22:57.10 | illogic-al | heh |
| 22:57.13 | Renze | och! |
| 22:57.14 | slayerbob | canllaith: that article is classic :P |
| 22:57.19 | canllaith | slayerbob: uhuh |
| 22:57.27 | lauri | I specially like the hairy tattooed biker boys with the buckly boots |
| 22:57.37 | lauri | and the beards, and the metallica t-shirts |
| 22:57.40 | illogic-al | yeah. me too. |
| 22:57.42 | lauri | and the long white socks and kilts |
| 22:57.47 | illogic-al | they're so yummy |
| 22:57.53 | MrGrim | canllaith: you're 6'4"? |
| 22:58.05 | canllaith | no I'm 5'10 lol |
| 22:58.11 | canllaith | ex hubby is 6'4 |
| 22:58.26 | canllaith | I don't wear them. Unless I am going to tea with a giant. |
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| 22:58.56 | MrGrim | I've rarely met women that tower over me, women, at least here, tend to be shorter than men overall |
| 22:59.10 | lauri | here too |
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| 22:59.29 | lauri | but the entire median is about 6" taller than most places |
| 22:59.37 | canllaith | Well it depends where you're born I think |
| 22:59.40 | canllaith | NZ seems to be full of midgets |
| 22:59.46 | lauri | so i tower over folks in NZ and I'm average to short here :) |
| 22:59.47 | MrGrim | I'm only 6'... I don't think that's very tall :P |
| 22:59.53 | canllaith | Where I am from in Australia there were 2 other women in my street as tall as me |
| 22:59.58 | canllaith | lauri: ok I am so moving there. |
| 23:00.25 | lauri | heh, ok, but give me warning, I need to get more patch cables |
| 23:00.53 | MrGrim | I always like adding new pc's to my network |
| 23:01.14 | MrGrim | especially when they are linux pc's |
| 23:01.15 | canllaith | I bring my own 802.11g |
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| 23:01.44 | pepma | hi :-) |
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| 23:01.56 | MrGrim | I'm about to add a k6-3 500 w/ 384 megs of ram and a 20 gig disk to me network |
| 23:02.02 | MrGrim | it's gonna replace my linksys nat box |
| 23:02.03 | canllaith | Nice :) |
| 23:02.07 | MrGrim | I'm excited :) |
| 23:02.34 | MrGrim | my linksys nat box blocks gre tunnels and ipv6 tunnels |
| 23:02.40 | lauri | canllaith: oh good point |
| 23:02.43 | MrGrim | I really wanna play with those |
| 23:02.56 | lauri | canllaith: we have ethernet in the walls to every room too, for the desktops |
| 23:03.04 | lauri | (ok, not the toilet, I'm not *that* geeky) |
| 23:03.07 | MrGrim | that's awesome |
| 23:03.20 | canllaith | :) so I could just stick my WAP ontop of someones monitor or something |
| 23:03.26 | lauri | Matt did in fact ask for a jack in there |
| 23:03.29 | canllaith | LOL |
| 23:03.33 | MrGrim | all ya need in the toilet is some books from the bathroom reader series |
| 23:03.37 | MrGrim | or |
| 23:03.37 | canllaith | Just get wifi |
| 23:03.39 | MrGrim | in the bathroom |
| 23:03.40 | canllaith | then no-one ever has to know |
| 23:03.42 | lauri | I explained to the electrician who was rewiring that it was so not happening |
| 23:03.44 | canllaith | No telltale jack in the toilet |
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| 23:03.48 | lauri | we have 2 wifi points in the house :) |
| 23:03.50 | auTONYmous | hi. |
| 23:03.52 | canllaith | :) |
| 23:04.19 | auTONYmous | I'm havin a problem with aRts on gentoo...can anybody help" |
| 23:04.21 | auTONYmous | ? |
| 23:04.21 | MrGrim | crap being poor sucks |
| 23:04.30 | MrGrim | I should work more |
| 23:04.39 | lauri | but they both go via a 10 meg hub, because I am too lazy to hook up the switch that has been sitting on my kitchen window sill for about 3 months |
| 23:05.04 | canllaith | only the wap is g |
| 23:05.07 | MrGrim | the hardest part of setting up a switch is finding an outlet O_o |
| 23:05.12 | MrGrim | power outlet |
| 23:05.13 | MrGrim | that is |
| 23:05.22 | canllaith | heh yeah we seem to have used all ours up :\ |
| 23:05.23 | lauri | well and going and getting it |
| 23:05.40 | MrGrim | whoa |
| 23:05.41 | lauri | heh |
| 23:05.43 | MrGrim | that's... interesting |
| 23:05.50 | auTONYmous | no kde/arts experts around? |
| 23:05.52 | canllaith | That is interesting. |
| 23:05.53 | MrGrim | why not a usb port? :P |
| 23:05.57 | lauri | I think the average ps/2 port wouldn't have the juice to power a 16port cisco switch |
| 23:06.01 | canllaith | auTONYmous: ask an actual question |
| 23:06.24 | Renze | MrGrim: my switch came with a ps/2 wedge option for power... I no complain :) |
| 23:06.27 | auTONYmous | okay, I'm getting an error when I emerge kdemultimedia on gentoo...says something about aRts, which is already installed |
| 23:06.34 | MrGrim | Renze: what switch is it |
| 23:06.41 | Renze | my ps/2 ports don't get used for anything else |
| 23:06.50 | MrGrim | auTONYmous: what the error actual said would be pretty helpful |
| 23:06.52 | Renze | Gigabyte GN-SW008 |
| 23:07.00 | auTONYmous | I'm getting it..gimme a sec |
| 23:07.04 | MrGrim | gigabyte makes networking equipment? O_o |
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| 23:07.22 | Renze | MrGrim: yes, my second NIC is also a Gigabyte |
| 23:07.27 | auTONYmous | mrgrim: and thanks in advance if you actually can help |
| 23:07.34 | MrGrim | I doubt it |
| 23:07.43 | MrGrim | I just pray really hard that arts at least kind of work |
| 23:07.51 | MrGrim | and it kinda has, a good portion of the time |
| 23:08.00 | auTONYmous | well, this has perplexed me all day... |
| 23:08.14 | lauri | auTONYmous: without a precise error, nobody can help you |
| 23:08.31 | auTONYmous | when I went to set up sound notifications earlier, running the sound system test would segfault |
| 23:08.36 | lauri | and with it, the chances are fairly high it's something someone has seen, and can fix, and it needn't perplex you |
| 23:08.53 | auTONYmous | I had no idea why, then I realized kdemultimedia wasn't installed, but that's erroring on aRts |
| 23:09.05 | auTONYmous | <error code follows> |
| 23:09.58 | pepma | hi, i'm seeking a gpl program to generate reports. I've tested kugar but I haven't got insert images in report, can anybody help me? |
| 23:10.17 | auTONYmous | okay, I have about the last 15-20 lines of emerge...should I msg someone? |
| 23:10.24 | auTONYmous | (dont' wanna flood the channel) |
| 23:10.34 | sredna | auTONYmous: Use a pastebin |
| 23:10.37 | Renze | pastebin |
| 23:10.40 | sredna | ~pastebin |
| 23:10.41 | apt | pastebin is probably a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca |
| 23:11.09 | *** topic/#kde by canllaith -> KDE 3.3.2 and 3.4 Beta 1 are out - http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.3.2.php | How to ask smart questions: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/questions.html | Please don't flood the channel, use a pastebin! | |
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| 23:11.27 | Synthripocus | Hi there |
| 23:11.28 | auTONYmous | http://pastebin.ca/4790 |
| 23:11.29 | canllaith | hey those two urls are the same length (ok trust me to notice that) |
| 23:11.54 | sredna | Hi canllaith |
| 23:11.54 | auTONYmous | thanks for the tip about pastebin...always nice to find a new way to do things right |
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| 23:12.42 | canllaith | hey there sredna :) |
| 23:12.47 | _poison | hi ^^ |
| 23:12.55 | sredna | Ho |
| 23:13.17 | Synthripocus | Hi there |
| 23:13.44 | MrGrim | auTONYmous: paste a new one starting with the gcc call to the last file |
| 23:13.59 | Renze | hola anders |
| 23:14.04 | sredna | Hi Renze |
| 23:14.23 | canllaith | I wonder |
| 23:14.24 | Synthripocus | How do I use x.org transparencies in FC3? |
| 23:14.38 | canllaith | apt: translucency |
| 23:14.39 | apt | somebody said translucency was http://www.kde.me.uk/index.php?page=x-6.8-xcomposite-howto |
| 23:14.39 | Synthripocus | I know I can use the kde transparencies but I've read it's not as fast. |
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| 23:14.42 | Renze | first you sacrifice a goat |
| 23:14.45 | canllaith | Synthripocus: that url ^^ |
| 23:14.53 | Synthripocus | yay |
| 23:14.55 | canllaith | Renze: you should see the sexy new stuff in kwin omg |
| 23:14.55 | Synthripocus | thanks |
| 23:14.58 | auTONYmous | http://pastebin.ca/4792 |
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| 23:15.15 | sredna | Reminds me to try and turn composite on and see it |
| 23:15.15 | Renze | canllaith: well, I saw your screenshot of the prefs :) |
| 23:15.37 | canllaith | auTONYmous: I reckon there is a very good chance you have picked up the wrong arts includes building kdemultimedia |
| 23:16.01 | canllaith | oh portage? Gentoo? |
| 23:16.06 | canllaith | doesn't that basically do it all for you? |
| 23:16.34 | auTONYmous | I emerged arts by itself before kdemultimedia, so I figured it would be okay, but even when I unmerge arts, kdemultimedia isn't getting the arts dependency |
| 23:16.51 | canllaith | snugglemonkey_: to reckon, or a reckoning is a perfectly valid English |
| 23:17.01 | canllaith | Renze: http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/kde-3.4/kde.png < it feels much faster than xcompmgr |
| 23:17.03 | MrGrim | http://www.giga-byte.com/Server/Products/Products_ServerBoard_GA-7A8DRH.htm <- throw an agp slot in there and that'd be perfect |
| 23:17.14 | sredna | auTONYmous: I think you should rermerge kdelibs with arts installed |
| 23:17.15 | Renze | canllaith: kcompmgr? |
| 23:17.21 | canllaith | Renze: the built in kwin stuff |
| 23:17.51 | Renze | canllaith: I wouldn't be surprised, since development on xcompmgr seems to have stalled |
| 23:17.56 | canllaith | Yeah |
| 23:17.59 | auTONYmous | I think I put arts in my USE declarations after kdelibs...so I could see that |
| 23:18.03 | canllaith | the kwin stuff is snappy like zoooooooom on my fx5200 |
| 23:18.35 | _poison | canllaith: how slow is it without proper hardware acceleration ? |
| 23:18.38 | canllaith | Makes me want to actually use the gui on my desktop |
| 23:18.47 | canllaith | _poison: no idea, I'll disable renderaccell later on and tell you |
| 23:18.51 | canllaith | I am not sitting on that machine right now though |
| 23:18.52 | sredna | It sure looks cool :) |
| 23:19.21 | sredna | auTONYmous: Yes, absolutely, allthoug I think it's implied if you don't explicitly disable it |
| 23:19.37 | auTONYmous | that's what I thought myself... |
| 23:20.09 | auTONYmous | but I put it in there just in case there was anything besides kde that would use it if explictly declared |
| 23:20.22 | _poison | canllaith: renderaccel doesn't work with the latest nvidia driver when COMPOSITE is enabled ... and I have a AMD64 with ATI @work ... of course there is no driver from ATI for AMD64 which is working somewhat =( |
| 23:20.58 | canllaith | _poison: uhhh I do not think that is true |
| 23:21.00 | auTONYmous | I actually like my system notifications, but if it just doesn't work out, then I'm stuck with ALSA for everything else |
| 23:21.05 | canllaith | since I am using latest nvidia driver, render accell and composite |
| 23:21.22 | canllaith | trust me, I can tell the difference between renderaccel on and not. |
| 23:21.26 | _poison | canllaith: check you x startup messages ... |
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| 23:21.33 | auTONYmous | _poison: not true...I'm using the AMD64 ATI Driver right now...works just fine |
| 23:21.35 | _poison | render accel will be deisabled |
| 23:21.39 | canllaith | _poison: No, it is not |
| 23:21.43 | _poison | hmmm |
| 23:21.53 | canllaith | Not unless they have sneakily brought out another nvidia driver in the last few days |
| 23:21.58 | auTONYmous | opengl works....~3500 glxgears on 9800 Pro |
| 23:22.33 | Renze | and renderaccel works here |
| 23:22.54 | canllaith | I think that is what I have |
| 23:23.16 | canllaith | I am on a neomagic right this very second (like omg the pain) |
| 23:24.17 | snugglemonkey_ | any one desperate to troubleshoot a build fail, check out http://www.pastebin.com/233902 :-D |
| 23:24.25 | Renze | _poison: latest nvidia drivers will disable GLX if composite is enabled, because they haven't got them coexisting right yet, but there is an option to turn it on anyway |
| 23:24.38 | pepma | bye |
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| 23:25.10 | _poison | Renze: ok ... forgot I can force it ^^ |
| 23:28.05 | _poison | uhm ... one thing ... if I click a ftp link in konqi to a text file ... and open it for example with kwrite ... it gets downloaded twice ... is there any justification for that ? =/ |
| 23:28.42 | Renze | twice? only once here |
| 23:29.08 | _poison | Renze: kde 3.3.2 |
| 23:29.12 | Renze | same |
| 23:30.08 | Renze | downloads once |
| 23:31.03 | _poison | Renze: I go to http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-6629.html, left click on the link in 'See the text README for more detailed instructions.' and choose open with kwrite ... it downloads it one time, then downloads it again ... then it gets displayed =/ |
| 23:31.47 | Renze | stop putting commas at the end of your URLs :) |
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| 23:32.02 | _poison | Renze: sorry ... |
| 23:32.04 | skreet | Is there an optins in kde 3.3 to use double-click to launch instead of single click from the desktop? |
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| 23:32.26 | _poison | skreet: control center, peripherals, mouse |
| 23:32.34 | skreet | Oh it's under mouse, Thanks. |
| 23:32.38 | Renze | _poison: ok, I think that is specific to the site... it works everywhere else |
| 23:32.56 | _poison | Renze: I actually experienced this on multiple sitesd =/ |
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| 23:33.30 | Renze | _poison: first time for me |
| 23:33.59 | _poison | Renze: even happens for sftp/http/ ... |
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| 23:34.15 | Renze | _poison: file a bug report |
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| 23:34.41 | kottlett | hi |
| 23:34.41 | _poison | Renze: k ... didn't do it yet because I couldn't imagine nobody else noticed this ... |
| 23:34.46 | _poison | =/ |
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| 23:34.57 | Renze | that's the first time I've seen it |
| 23:35.14 | kottlett | i'm on 3.4 ... and my keyboard layouts are gone completely :( any idea? |
| 23:35.49 | skreet | Anyone familiar with getting a laptops volume controls to work (preferably in the KDE environment) |
| 23:37.18 | _poison | skreet: mine worked out of box ... you can check if the volume is usable in x with `xev` and then bind that keys |
| 23:37.44 | MrGrim | what would you do with serial port management of a switch? |
| 23:38.11 | Renze | skreet: or go to Kcontrol -> Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Layout, and make sure the right Keyboard model is selected on the dropdown at the top |
| 23:38.12 | MrGrim | this 8 port gigabyte switch has one |
| 23:39.53 | canllaith | lol |
| 23:39.56 | canllaith | don't you dare |
| 23:40.50 | snugglemonkey_ | Renze: kill them all.... |
| 23:41.00 | Renze | they're making me do it... *twitch* |
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| 23:41.58 | Renze | cricket bat... more satisfying |
| 23:42.58 | neko | tactical nuclear weapon |
| 23:43.12 | Renze | that's overkill... american, right? :) |
| 23:43.19 | skreet | I cant find where I set a keyboard shortcut for volume control |
| 23:43.28 | skreet | my keyboard layout is on a Compal CL56, not a mainstream laptop :P |
| 23:43.42 | Renze | skreet: you won't need to if you select the right keyboard model |
| 23:43.51 | neko | may as well be. their president seems to tell our prime minister what to do often enough ;o) |
| 23:43.59 | skreet | Renze: I didnt see one for Compal CL56 |
| 23:44.13 | Renze | neko: ah, right... british... I remember now |
| 23:44.29 | neko | yup, unfortunately ;o) |
| 23:44.57 | canllaith | mmm how do I apply a patch |
| 23:45.24 | sredna | canllaith: patch -p0 < file.patch |
| 23:45.29 | canllaith | ty sredna :) |
| 23:45.50 | sredna | canllaith: the -p0 is if the patched files are in the same directory |
| 23:45.57 | canllaith | ok |
| 23:46.02 | sredna | Not allways nessecary |
| 23:46.14 | canllaith | testing the patch for the close tag bug on kate |
| 23:46.30 | skreet | Renze: Lets assume it not an available keyboard model, how do I bind a key to volume up/down? |
| 23:46.43 | canllaith | they are the same thing.... |
| 23:46.44 | sredna | canllaith: You can run patch [options] --dryrun < file.patch to see if it applies cleanly |
| 23:47.04 | sredna | Venson: Waht do you mean? |
| 23:48.01 | Venson | sredna: i mean...people seem to think Kwrite as the "text editor for KDE"... |
| 23:48.01 | canllaith | hi there Venson :) |
| 23:48.02 | Venson | i'd like it to be Kate instead...considering it has excellent features. |
| 23:48.02 | Venson | hi canllaith |
| 23:48.08 | anis | waaa! |
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| 23:48.09 | anis | i lost Renze |
| 23:48.09 | sredna | Venson: Thanks :-) |
| 23:48.10 | anis | sighs |
| 23:48.16 | skreet | Anyone know how to bind a key to volume up and down? |
| 23:48.22 | neko | i thought kedit was the main one, although i do prefer kate |
| 23:48.35 | canllaith | kedit is in like, kdeutils or something |
| 23:48.39 | neko | probably because I got used to gedit whilst using ice |
| 23:48.46 | sredna | neko: Kedit is there because it supports bidi, which kate/kwrite can't untill kde 4 |
| 23:48.53 | canllaith | sredna: what is bidi? |
| 23:48.57 | Venson | sredna: yw...i really mean it, though. I think it deserves an article. So people are made aware of its features and all that. |
| 23:48.58 | neko | bidi? |
| 23:49.03 | sredna | neko: Kwrite is SDI, while kate is MDI (and adds some other features) |
| 23:49.11 | _poison | skreet: will tell you when I figure out the kmix dcop iface =/ |
| 23:49.15 | sredna | Bidi == BiDirectional [scripts] |
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| 23:49.22 | canllaith | Venson: lol kate was awarded 4th top editor recently |
| 23:49.28 | neko | sdi/mdi? |
| 23:49.29 | Renze | stoopid freenode |
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| 23:49.39 | canllaith | only emacs and vi beat it |
| 23:49.40 | Venson | canllaith: know which the top ones were? |
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| 23:49.41 | neko | actually, don't bother, i have a headache ;o) |
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| 23:49.51 | Venson | canllaith: and the third? |
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| 23:49.54 | canllaith | Venson: yes emacs vi/vim and vi clones |
| 23:49.56 | Venson | ahh ok |
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| 23:50.07 | sredna | neko: SDI == Singel Document Interface (one window, one document) while MDI is Multiple Document Interface (one window, multiple documents) |
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| 23:50.18 | canllaith | Whic is a very impressive thing for an editor such as Kate |
| 23:50.19 | skreet | _poison: I was just getting ready to figure out the alsa console commands, I really would like a nice OSD though.. :( |
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| 23:50.30 | canllaith | given that emacs and vi/vim are a religion to unix users |
| 23:50.31 | anis | canllaith: do u think Linus Torvalds was here ? |
| 23:50.34 | Venson | canllaith: so that's great...and i think it deserves it. |
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| 23:51.00 | ideafix | anis yes and we say that same thing |
| 23:51.13 | ideafix | "Linus Torvalds was here" |
| 23:51.17 | anis | :) |
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| 23:53.27 | snugglemonkey_ | skreet: what is your laptop again? |
| 23:53.41 | skreet | snugglemonkey_: Compal CL56 based |
| 23:53.55 | skreet | Compal CL56 is a barebone unit, It was built by a local company :D |
| 23:54.18 | skreet | Fn + PgUp is the volume up, PgDw is volume down. |
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| 23:54.31 | sredna | canllaith: If the patch works, could you commit the file with BUG:97953 in the commit log? |
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| 23:55.05 | skreet | [174 & 176 keys] |
| 23:55.29 | snugglemonkey_ | skreet: I'm looking for the solution that I used on my laptop.... |
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| 23:56.05 | skreet | snugglemonkey_: Do you have a Compal CL56?? :D |
| 23:56.14 | sredna | Hi annma |
| 23:56.33 | kottlett | what could be wrong, if 'kcmshell keyboard_layout' can't find anything about layouts, models, ... whatever? |
| 23:56.36 | snugglemonkey_ | skreet: Nope. It was a key mapper that ran on any distro, any laptop. :) |
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| 23:56.53 | skreet | snugglemonkey_: Oh. Nice. |
| 23:56.55 | snugglemonkey_ | skreet: I am looking though linux-on-laptops.com for what i used. |
| 23:57.06 | skreet | kottlett: You talking about my situation? |
| 23:57.43 | Morydd | Hi, I'm having trouble with the applet bar for KSysGuard. When I try to drag a sensor to it, the "Connect Host" dialog comes up. |
| 23:58.33 | sredna | Morydd: And? You need to be connected for it to work |
| 23:58.49 | snugglemonkey_ | skreet: check this link out, at the bottom. http://troxbox.homelinux.org/zv5320.php |
| 23:59.31 | kottlett | skreet: hm... you've got the same problem? |
| 23:59.55 | Morydd | sredna: what method is used to connect on a local machine? |
