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| 00:49.04 | vvizard | I'm a KDE-user (and great enjoyer), writing a QT-application. I would like to integrate it better with KDE, and was wondering if there is any other resources for QT-developers porting pure QT to KDE, than looking into the K-classes? For example, how I need to update my Makefile in order to have it build etc.. |
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| 00:52.40 | Blissex | vvizard: ask in #kde-devel for one thing |
| 00:53.03 | Blissex | vvizard: but also there are IIRC excellent HOWTOs on all this, and if you use KDevelop things are even more automated. |
| 00:53.32 | vvizard | Thanks, sorry for asking in the wrong channel. |
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| 00:54.22 | Blissex | vvizard: http://developer.kde.org/ |
| 00:54.34 | Blissex | vvizard: its not wrong, its just less appropriate |
| 00:54.57 | vvizard | I'll look into that site. Thanks :) |
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| 00:58.23 | choisy | hi there |
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| 01:11.33 | Numz | hi, is there a way to have khotkeys to open the mail composer of kmail through dcop? |
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| 01:38.37 | Blissex | vvizard: its not wrong, its just less appropriate |
| 01:38.43 | Blissex | oops |
| 01:38.48 | Inssomniak | lol |
| 01:39.07 | Blissex | Numz: probably yes, try 'kdcop' to explore the exported API of 'kmail' |
| 01:39.21 | Numz | i did |
| 01:39.28 | Numz | there's openComposer |
| 01:39.39 | Blissex | Numz: sounds promising... |
| 01:39.42 | Numz | but it sends the mail directly |
| 01:40.07 | Numz | it takes all parameters as arguments and sends |
| 01:40.15 | Numz | it wont actually open the composer |
| 01:40.26 | Blissex | Numz: IIRC you have instead to invoke the instatiate API for the composer, which is a different thing. |
| 01:40.57 | Numz | yeah well i didnt find it |
| 01:41.01 | DLightman | hmm.. I have KCheckGmail _and_ kmail checking my gmail :P |
| 01:41.20 | DLightman | anyone know how kmail stores its passwords? why doesn't it use kwallet? |
| 01:41.50 | r00tsh3ll | 2/clear |
| 01:42.47 | grepper | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.18 | Numz | lol thanx |
| 01:43.24 | Numz | that was just too simple |
| 01:43.42 | grepper | :) |
| 01:44.27 | DLightman | would that reuse a kmail instance? and if so, why not do it with dcop and save loading the 100mb file? |
| 01:44.43 | DLightman | if you're still interesting in dcop, I see an openComposer method |
| 01:45.01 | DLightman | oops, already mentioned |
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| 01:46.14 | DLightman | Numz: and yes, it does open the composer |
| 01:46.37 | Numz | yeah it opens a v. small window |
| 01:46.40 | Numz | not the usual composer |
| 01:46.48 | DLightman | it opens the usual composer for me too.. |
| 01:47.01 | DLightman | I think you're seeing the kdcop window asking for arguments for the dcop call ;) |
| 01:47.45 | Numz | right |
| 01:48.01 | Numz | what commandline you're using then? |
| 01:48.45 | grepper | kmail --composer doesn't open a second kmail |
| 01:48.56 | DLightman | $ dcop kmail KMailIface openComposer "" "" "" "" "" "" |
| 01:48.57 | grepper | it just opens a compose window |
| 01:49.11 | DLightman | grepper: yeah, but using dcop is "cooler" |
| 01:49.20 | Numz | also it's faster |
| 01:49.31 | Numz | much faster for me |
| 01:49.35 | Numz | thanks |
| 01:49.39 | DLightman | if you have a slow drive, it will be a lot faster |
| 01:50.06 | DLightman | and you might as well utilize the interfaces provided for you |
| 01:50.26 | DLightman | especially one as cool as dcop :P |
| 01:51.17 | grepper | yeah, seems to be about .03 secs faster here :) |
| 01:51.37 | DLightman | how fast is your drive? much slower on these 5400 rpm drives |
| 01:51.52 | grepper | 7500 rpm |
| 01:51.57 | Numz | let's say i got a lot of stuff in swap already |
| 01:52.23 | grepper | advantage, the kmail --composer command works whether kmail is running or not |
| 01:52.40 | DLightman | over a second slower here |
| 01:52.51 | DLightman | and damn it, that second could be used doing something else |
| 01:53.00 | DLightman | true |
| 01:54.52 | DLightman | I had to do a similar thing for Opera on a slower machine with an insanely slow drive |
| 01:55.50 | DLightman | it uses a similar interface that mozilla uses, but silly opera developers didn't provide a client for it (that I could see at least). Loading a 10+ meg binary on a really slow machine that's just going to send a command to a process already in memory is painful. |
| 01:56.27 | Numz | u do opera --newpage %u right ? |
| 01:56.54 | DLightman | something like that, yeah, but that loads the whole opera binary, which (especially when statically linked) is enormous |
| 01:57.11 | Numz | so what's the alternative? |
| 01:57.43 | DLightman | modify the mozilla-remote command to work with opera |
| 01:58.12 | DLightman | wow, Opera is providing debian unstable debs now |
| 01:58.22 | Numz | do u have a link for that remote command thing? |
| 01:58.43 | DLightman | I never uploaded it, this was a long time ago |
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| 02:09.42 | DLightman | hmm.. anyone use anything for ad blocking on Konq? |
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| 02:14.31 | Numz | guidescope.com |
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| 02:15.15 | canllaith | Hi there jepel_tailweaver |
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| 02:15.55 | jepel_tailweaver | hey canllaith |
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| 02:17.14 | DLightman | Numz: thanks, but not quite what I'm looking for. |
| 02:17.43 | Kleggas | hi, I have been using jbuilder for bulding java applications and I am really bored with that buggy stuff, so I wonder if there is anything like jbuilder for kde? I tried qt-designer and loved it, but its not for java. anything similiar for kde using java instead of xml? |
| 02:18.19 | canllaith | lol |
| 02:25.45 | DLightman | I had to stop using gentoo so I could use KDE |
| 02:25.54 | DLightman | 18 hour build times are no fun |
| 02:26.39 | canllaith | So, I don't even have an excuse ;) Nah, I do lol |
| 02:26.58 | canllaith | I use my distros packages for stable KDE, but I have to build cvs head myself |
| 02:27.30 | Dhraakellian | DLightman: aren't there prebuilt KDE packages? |
| 02:28.05 | DLightman | probably, but this machine is just too slow to be compiling things all the time |
| 02:29.00 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 02:29.20 | canllaith | hey! They moved the userguide |
| 02:37.15 | neko | I'll probably be moving over to gentoo only after i have multiple decent computers |
| 02:37.45 | neko | it wont be so bad if i have box2 to use whilst box1 is recompiling |
| 02:38.21 | Dhraakellian | neko: or if you use distcc |
| 02:38.37 | canllaith | it depends how your network is set up |
| 02:38.59 | Dhraakellian | unless I have updatedb running at the time or something, my computer is usually fairly usable while I'm compiling |
| 02:39.02 | neko | distcc? |
| 02:39.14 | Alethes | took a week 'cause I was fighting so hard with libtunepimp |
| 02:39.16 | canllaith | neko, distributed compiling |
| 02:39.29 | neko | hmm, that could be interesting |
| 02:39.33 | canllaith | heh Alethes I'm struggling with getting cvs head installed..... |
| 02:39.40 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: a home LAN, though |
| 02:39.50 | neko | i do intend to have a couple of computers on serverfarm duties |
| 02:40.00 | Alethes | canllaith: you're right. JuK is nice :D |
| 02:40.08 | canllaith | Dhraakellian, well yes and no this is also the office |
| 02:40.27 | canllaith | but the only other reasonably powerful machine on the same switch as me upstairs is running a different gcc version so I cannot use it |
| 02:40.30 | Dhraakellian | although my computer is the more powerful of the two |
| 02:41.13 | canllaith | Then all the 1.3Ghz are on the wireless downstars..... too much network traffic over a painfully slow connection |
| 02:41.13 | Alethes | I love kontact |
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| 02:41.40 | DLightman | I thought about upgrading, then I figured that the machine I really want costs like $20,000 |
| 02:42.02 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 02:42.44 | DLightman | erm.. not counting the electric bill. and the air conditioner I'd need. and the electric bill again. |
| 02:42.56 | DLightman | but at least I wouldn't have to heat the house in the winter |
| 02:44.19 | neko | O.o |
| 02:44.25 | neko | computing on a diet? |
| 02:44.32 | canllaith | heh computing on a budget |
| 02:44.44 | qazix | Celery is a nickname for a Celeron (budget P4) ;) |
| 02:44.45 | canllaith | Got a new motherboard, hdd, and 2x 512MB DDR 400 |
| 02:44.51 | DLightman | hey, this machine only cost me $40 and it works great |
| 02:44.55 | canllaith | Then had to get a celery cause I couldn't afford a real p4 |
| 02:45.05 | neko | i guessed, but i thought the term diet may be more fitting ;o) |
| 02:45.16 | qazix | meanwhile I'm feeling the limitations of my measly P4 2.53 and have overclocked it to 2.77 |
| 02:45.20 | canllaith | but, at least I have nice motherboard/nice ram, so it's all set to be a beast. Poor little hal. |
| 02:45.22 | DLightman | you just have to know the good dumpsters ;) |
| 02:45.30 | canllaith | qazix, heh I'm on a 500MHz right now |
| 02:45.36 | qazix | ow :( |
| 02:45.41 | neko | let me guess, just like celery you put in more effort than you get out? |
| 02:45.45 | Alethes | errr |
| 02:45.48 | Alethes | athlon |
| 02:45.52 | Alethes | long heh |
| 02:45.53 | qazix | I prefer athlong |
| 02:45.55 | canllaith | Nah it's a 4lbs wireless notebook with 3 hours battery life |
| 02:45.59 | canllaith | I'll put up with 500MHz for that |
| 02:46.14 | Alethes | I'll probably keep this 1.4ghz box for a few years |
| 02:46.18 | canllaith | The p4 M is much heavier, and only gets 2 hours. |
| 02:46.18 | Alethes | I never do need top of the line |
| 02:46.24 | qazix | I still miss my athlong tbird 1.4... it'd keep me warm at night ;_; |
| 02:46.29 | jepel_tailweaver | hehe |
| 02:46.35 | Alethes | heh heh |
| 02:46.36 | canllaith | lol we tend to just... inherit parts |
| 02:46.36 | jepel_tailweaver | my room is the warmest in the houser |
| 02:46.38 | jepel_tailweaver | *house |
| 02:46.52 | canllaith | My cdrw is one that a customer returned cause it just would not work under linux even with a firmware update |
| 02:46.57 | neko | hmm, that's something i want to look into with the transmeta chips |
| 02:47.01 | canllaith | erm would not work u nder windows * |
| 02:47.12 | canllaith | works great under linux so I scored a 52x burner for free :) |
| 02:47.17 | jepel_tailweaver | cool |
| 02:47.47 | DLightman | canllaith: nice. I used a 4x scsi caddy loading burning until recently. some fool threw it away.. |
| 02:47.54 | canllaith | : |
| 02:47.57 | canllaith | :) * |
| 02:48.12 | canllaith | I had before that an 8x hp burner that was my b/f's from about 3 years ago .. perhaps more |
| 02:48.14 | DLightman | canllaith: but now I got another 8x burner from the trash :) |
| 02:48.16 | neko | if i understand it right, the transmeta chips are basically much faster less capable chips which then have a software layer to emulate other chips? |
| 02:48.25 | canllaith | Back when he was the only person in the country selling linux cd's, for those who could not download them |
| 02:48.44 | DLightman | canllaith: my 8x is an HP. did you throw it away somewhere around here? ;) |
| 02:48.50 | neko | if so, can you leave out the emulation layer and compile linux straight for the transmeta itself? |
| 02:48.54 | canllaith | DLightman, nope it's sitting in my deskdrawer |
| 02:48.59 | canllaith | neko, um it doesn't quite work like that no |
| 02:49.05 | neko | damn |
| 02:49.07 | neko | :o/ |
| 02:50.04 | neko | for a second i was thinking that i may have found another toy to use gentoo with |
| 02:50.27 | canllaith | It isn't terribly fast neko |
| 02:50.44 | canllaith | Their main advantage is the low voltage, low power - and they run so cool they don't require fans |
| 02:51.01 | canllaith | So for embedded systems and notebooks where running cool and quiet and battery life is more important than speed... that is where you would use them |
| 02:51.04 | DLightman | I'm actually looking at a fanless machine for my next |
| 02:51.54 | DLightman | (without having to use a water cooler) |
| 02:52.00 | canllaith | Even then the notebook screen and the hard disk consume more power than a notebook processor so you don't get much gain anymore over using a crusoe instead of a centrino.... |
| 02:52.26 | canllaith | DLightman, ah some nice via machine perhaps? |
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| 02:52.36 | DLightman | canllaith: yeah, that's what I'm looking at |
| 02:52.48 | DLightman | canllaith: the faster ones have fans, but small ones |
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| 02:52.55 | DLightman | 512? overkill? |
| 02:53.04 | neko | i was considering a transmeta laptop, so the low power low heat would be ideal, especially if you could gain more processing power by compiling direct for the processor |
| 02:53.14 | canllaith | No, best mb for $ ratio of all the ones we can get |
| 02:53.30 | canllaith | neko, just delete the entire concept of 'transmeta' and 'processing power' living in the same universe. |
| 02:53.37 | DLightman | but why spend the extra? so what if the ratio is better, 128 will still be cheaper |
| 02:53.41 | neko | ah well |
| 02:54.16 | canllaith | DLightman, unless you're looking at the same pricelists I am, I would put to you that you do not know what you are talking about :) |
| 02:54.24 | neko | i was also told that the transmeta approach wasn't rediculously behind intel/AMD, so i guess that was bad info :o/ |
| 02:54.36 | DLightman | 128 is actually more expensive than 512? |
| 02:54.38 | canllaith | neko, processors are not all about megahurts |
| 02:54.53 | neko | i know, that's why i like AMD |
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| 02:55.16 | neko | also why i wasn't as against apple as some people i knew |
| 02:56.43 | AssociateX | what's a must have desktop app? |
| 02:56.44 | canllaith | So pretty much any brand new laptop is going to be :o oh wow look at the speeeeeeeed |
| 02:57.56 | Gumby | can anyone in here tell me where I'd set the properties for the weather pacakge in kontact to be celcius instead of fahrenheit |
| 02:58.20 | canllaith | Gumby, um if you set your locale to be somewhere that uses celcius I think it does it automatically cause mine is all godo |
| 02:58.22 | canllaith | good* |
| 02:59.01 | Gumby | canllaith: hrm, it didnt do that here |
| 02:59.07 | Gumby | then again... my time has been all messed up |
| 02:59.08 | Gumby | heh |
| 02:59.22 | canllaith | Well I don't see it under Regional & Accessibility mmm |
| 02:59.33 | Gumby | (I also just found where kde has metric vs imperial |
| 02:59.35 | Gumby | ) |
| 02:59.37 | canllaith | yeah :) |
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| 02:59.46 | canllaith | which, mine was all set automatically cause I had told it I was in NZ |
| 02:59.58 | AssociateX | what is the kde app that lets me know a certain date is comming up, for reminders |
| 03:00.09 | qazix | KAlarm I believe |
| 03:00.09 | canllaith | AssociateX, um.. kontact? |
| 03:00.12 | Gumby | hrm, didnt seem to help |
| 03:00.25 | AssociateX | canllaith, I dont know, that's why I'm asking |
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| 03:02.52 | canllaith | ack :( My first 'you should have done it this way' on a mailing list *sob* |
| 03:03.48 | Alethes | it's too permanent a record of my idiocy |
| 03:04.29 | jepel_tailweaver | I don't like mailing lists |
| 03:07.19 | Alethes | I like'em for looking up already answered stupid questions that I have |
| 03:08.06 | canllaith | everyone cc's me on the lists I'm not on :( So I can't get away with not being on them |
| 03:08.20 | canllaith | although I need to change my address and set up my kmail to filter stuff into their own folders..... |
| 03:08.33 | Alethes | that's what you get for being so popular :P |
| 03:09.45 | canllaith | no, not popular :( |
| 03:10.11 | AssociateX | canllaith, thank you, that looks like a good app. I don't want to forget the wife Birthday. |
| 03:10.17 | Alethes | well, hatred doesn't get you on CCs :P |
| 03:10.25 | AssociateX | wifes* |
| 03:10.37 | canllaith | hahaha Alethes you are not subscribed to kde-quality then are you ;) |
| 03:10.44 | Alethes | no |
| 03:10.58 | Alethes | I went to #kde-usability yesterday and was pretty disappointed yesterday |
| 03:11.02 | canllaith | oh really? |
| 03:11.05 | Alethes | the kde configuration is such a cluttered piece of crap |
| 03:11.17 | Alethes | and nobody seems to have any inclination to make it not suck |
| 03:11.50 | Alethes | I can't ever find a setting I'm looking for 'cause the options are always in illogical places and labeled strangely |
| 03:12.24 | Alethes | know what the fix is? |
| 03:12.28 | Alethes | a better search! |
| 03:12.31 | Alethes | which is horrid |
| 03:12.53 | Alethes | 'cause that just means you have to remember search terms to find what you're looking for -- that doesn't encourage learnability |
| 03:13.15 | canllaith | there are so many hidden configuration options too |
| 03:13.30 | canllaith | that are not documented ..... like omg it's hell *faints* |
| 03:13.48 | Alethes | the ones that are available don't even make sense half the time to me |
| 03:14.07 | canllaith | aseigo_h, I love you too. I just know you're trying to break my will and spirit and reduce me to a puddle with Kconfig..... |
| 03:14.34 | Alethes | It'd be nice if a new kcontrol could be written, but then there's the per app configs as well |
| 03:15.22 | aseigo_h | canllaith: speaking of which, did you catch that email to kde-cvs re: one of your recent commits? |
| 03:15.22 | Alethes | I don't know how difficult fixing each app's configs would be |
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| 03:15.49 | Alethes | I don't even know what I'd change at this point. I just find it very confusing and frustrating |
| 03:15.53 | aseigo_h | Alethes: depends on the number of options and how well they lend themselves to organization |
| 03:16.39 | aseigo_h | " 'cause that just means you have to remember search terms to find what you're looking for -- that doesn't encourage learnability" |
| 03:16.58 | aseigo_h | you may wish to wait to see what's coming before commenting on it |
| 03:17.34 | aseigo_h | since that statement of yours isn't particularly accurate given what the plan actually is |
| 03:17.57 | canllaith | indeed and the plan is pretty exciting |
| 03:17.58 | Alethes | care to give details? |
| 03:18.01 | aseigo_h | which isn't a shortcoming on your part, since it's hard to comment on something you aren't privvy to =) |
| 03:18.14 | Alethes | why are the details a secret? |
| 03:18.16 | canllaith | aseigo_h, I did, why do you ask? He cc'd me |
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| 03:18.27 | aseigo_h | Alethes: sure.. not right now though.. i just finished eating a large mail and am feeling extremeley lethargic =P |
| 03:18.36 | Alethes | hah |
| 03:18.40 | aseigo_h | canllaith: ok, just wanted to make sure you got it |
| 03:18.58 | canllaith | aseigo_h, lauri was talking about directing the very very outdated faq on k.o to the HEAD version |
| 03:19.19 | canllaith | aseigo_h, well that was the option that was going to be least stressful with me, instead of giving me commit to www and causing me to have a heart attack |
| 03:19.33 | canllaith | So I figure if that is what's probably happening I should keep it up to date as of now? |
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| 03:19.50 | aseigo_h | canllaith: makes sense from here =) |
| 03:19.51 | canllaith | instead of going ahead? Sound logical? |
| 03:19.58 | aseigo_h | canllaith: makes sense from here =) |
| 03:20.07 | canllaith | aseigo_h, heh awesome. I'm not tripping then |
| 03:20.09 | canllaith | or at least, we're both tripping |
| 03:21.05 | canllaith | eeeeeeeeeeeep eeeeeeeeeeep gosh darn it |
| 03:21.19 | canllaith | silly kmail :S brb wrestling kmail into submission |
| 03:21.22 | aseigo_h | "Finding cures for tropical diseases: Is open source an answer?" yeesh |
| 03:21.37 | Alethes | heh |
| 03:21.43 | qazix | canllaith: you really use KDE cvs too!? Sheesh. |
| 03:22.02 | qazix | canllaith: just watch, one day you'll really need something and it'll be broken ;D |
| 03:22.27 | Alethes | aseigo_h: I've yet to fully understand the KDE usability philosphy at this point |
| 03:22.39 | qazix | alejandro: configurability |
| 03:22.41 | Alethes | I'm probably gonna read through the HIG and such this week |
| 03:22.48 | canllaith | qazix, well what else would I use? It's a wee bit hard to document new features if I have not seen them |
| 03:22.52 | Alethes | qazix: configurable != usable |
| 03:22.58 | qazix | canllaith: good point |
| 03:23.21 | qazix | alejandro: well, the massive number of features help too |
| 03:23.25 | canllaith | Alethes, the whole story is really you cannot please everyone with defaults. The best thing you can do is make it easy to learn, because easy to use without learning is impossible |
| 03:23.30 | qazix | stupic nickcomp |
| 03:23.30 | Alethes | configurability often means you spend more time configuring than using |
| 03:23.36 | aseigo_h | i also keep a stable version around just in case, though ;-) |
| 03:23.49 | canllaith | heh |
| 03:24.02 | canllaith | and I'm impressed. Current version of cvs head is more stable than the 3.3.2 packages from -current |
| 03:24.08 | aseigo_h | Alethes: i think that's a completely spurious statement =) |
| 03:24.27 | Alethes | I'm not so sure :P |
| 03:24.44 | aseigo_h | Alethes: it amounts to saying "given options to play with people will not do work" or possibly "given a certain number of options, work is not possible" |
| 03:24.44 | Alethes | I'm not saying flexibility is a bad thing |
| 03:24.56 | aseigo_h | Alethes: and both of those statements are patently false. |
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| 03:25.19 | aseigo_h | you're right that configurable != usable, though ... |
| 03:25.26 | Alethes | that was all I meant |
| 03:25.36 | Alethes | I actually prefer that KDE is highly flexible |
| 03:25.41 | aseigo_h | but not in the sense that "if something is configurable, it's not usable" |
| 03:25.41 | Alethes | 'cause I can make it whatever I want |
| 03:25.49 | Alethes | I just want the configs to be less frustrating |
| 03:26.03 | canllaith | Alethes, and once you have you don't have to touch any of the options again, the fact that they are there is not damaging to your productivity. |
| 03:26.10 | aseigo_h | but rather, "the raw level of configurability does not have a predterminable effect on usability" |
| 03:26.24 | aseigo_h | you can unconfigurable items that are poor usability wise |
| 03:26.25 | Alethes | right |
| 03:26.27 | Alethes | that's what I meant |
| 03:26.30 | aseigo_h | and you can have configurable ones that are |
| 03:26.36 | aseigo_h | and vice versa =) |
| 03:26.40 | Alethes | *nod* |
| 03:26.51 | canllaith | aseigo_h, your tooltips are snappy and gorgeous on my ancient pII and pIII machines :) |
| 03:26.59 | aseigo_h | canllaith: hooray! |
| 03:27.15 | Alethes | I've been doing a bit of brainstorming in that regard, but so far I haven't come up with any real ideas |
| 03:27.40 | canllaith | aseigo_h, can I assume a redesign of the configs is going to happen once I finish unearthing all those sneaky hidden settings for you? |
| 03:27.45 | aseigo_h | canllaith: some people have gotten a bit freaked out, methinks, as these days "purdy" usually costs buku CPU |
| 03:28.01 | AssociateX | where is it that I can set it so that in konqueror file manager I can just mouse over a .wav or .mp3 to hear it? |
| 03:28.03 | aseigo_h | canllaith: not a huge one for 3.4.. no time.. but for the next release certainly |
| 03:28.13 | canllaith | aseigo_h, heh cool :) |
| 03:28.17 | aseigo_h | AssociateX: icon thumbnails |
| 03:28.22 | AssociateX | thanks |
| 03:28.26 | canllaith | ack damnit where does kmail store filters? |
| 03:28.29 | aseigo_h | AssociateX: they are just.. uh.. audio ones.. heh |
| 03:28.38 | canllaith | I can't be bothered redoing them all |
| 03:28.42 | aseigo_h | canllaith: ~/.kde/share/config/kmailrc |
| 03:28.49 | canllaith | ack! That is what I copied over :S |
| 03:29.05 | aseigo_h | canllaith: there's been talk of separating them into a file on their own, but i don't think that's been done yet |
| 03:29.26 | canllaith | aseigo_h, they're back yay :) |
| 03:29.26 | Alethes | aseigo_h: from the usablity standpoint, I think my only real complaint is the configuratino |
| 03:29.28 | Alethes | configuration |
| 03:29.57 | Alethes | hehe |
| 03:30.10 | Alethes | I've only been using it a week :) |
| 03:30.35 | canllaith | ack just found a kmail bug |
| 03:30.41 | aseigo_h | you'll get more used to the configuration (not that that's a valid excuse for the state of things =) ... |
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| 03:30.45 | aseigo_h | canllaith: oh? |
| 03:30.46 | Alethes | kmail is crashing big time on subfolders with imap |
| 03:31.01 | aseigo_h | Alethes: in which version? 3.3? |
| 03:31.01 | canllaith | aseigo_h, if I right click on an email address and go 'copy' it's not on the clipboard, I can't paste it anywhere |
| 03:31.06 | alex323 | how do i add an icon to the panel at the bottom bar of kde (3.3)? |
| 03:31.06 | Alethes | aseigo_h: yeah |
| 03:31.22 | Alethes | I'm using it now |
| 03:31.29 | alex323 | like, i see the letter K, a wrench etc, i just manually installed firefox |
| 03:31.32 | Alethes | it's pretty decent really |
| 03:31.40 | aseigo_h | alex323: right click, Add ->, go crazy |
| 03:31.53 | alex323 | aseigo_h, it isnt in the menu, i tried |
| 03:32.04 | aseigo_h | alex323: is it in your kmenu? |
| 03:32.12 | alex323 | no |
| 03:32.15 | canllaith | kappfinder |
| 03:32.20 | aseigo_h | alex323: if not you have to add it there first OR select Add -> Non KDE Application |
| 03:32.34 | aseigo_h | er, Add -> Special Button -> Non KDE Application |
| 03:32.54 | aseigo_h | yeah, kappfinder is rather handy |
| 03:33.06 | aseigo_h | alex323: run kappfinder and it should get added to the menu for you =) |
| 03:33.18 | Alethes | one of the stupidest things gnome did with their newest versions is the menu editing |
| 03:33.24 | Alethes | it's chaos |
| 03:34.13 | canllaith | aseigo_h, definitely |
| 03:34.21 | aseigo_h | Alethes: bah. who needs to edit the menu ;-) |
| 03:34.25 | canllaith | I hate the stupid thing since I don't _use_ non kde apps and it just clutters my menus =p |
| 03:34.26 | Alethes | hah |
| 03:34.32 | aseigo_h | Alethes: it's configuration like that that gets in the way, after all! =P |
| 03:34.35 | canllaith | erm |
| 03:34.37 | Alethes | :D |
| 03:34.38 | canllaith | I mean aseigo_h |
| 03:34.41 | canllaith | too many a's! |
| 03:34.59 | Blethes | better? :D |
| 03:35.10 | aseigo_h | ahahahahaa |
| 03:35.18 | aseigo_h | Plethes would be a cool nick |
| 03:35.21 | Clethes | hehe |
| 03:35.24 | aseigo_h | but it would take a while to get there |
| 03:35.27 | aseigo_h | very greek and all |
| 03:35.28 | canllaith | heh |
| 03:36.27 | Alethes | does the calendar in the panel show tasks from kontact? |
| 03:36.28 | aseigo_h | hahahhahah... |
| 03:36.30 | aseigo_h | "I need of you help. I am creating a servicemenu to send for email using |
| 03:36.30 | aseigo_h | Thunderbird and no Kmail. Help-me in line "Exec" please? |
| 03:36.32 | aseigo_h | : |
| 03:36.46 | aseigo_h | <servicemenu pasted wholesale> |
| 03:36.47 | aseigo_h | Exec=kmail --attach %U ---------------- There are my problem! |
| 03:37.06 | Alethes | respond: Someone set you up the bomb |
| 03:37.27 | canllaith | hah no idea |
| 03:37.35 | aseigo_h | Alethes: lol ... i would, but that i'd get some angry poster on theDot, certainly |
| 03:37.42 | Alethes | hehe |
| 03:37.56 | canllaith | aseigo_h, so it would be just like a normal day then? |
| 03:38.02 | aseigo_h | i already have an angry mob following me, i don't need to help it out by turning it into a full on parade =P |
| 03:38.08 | canllaith | heh |
| 03:38.22 | canllaith | hehehe I have a button in my kmail that doesn't do anything |
| 03:38.26 | canllaith | strange |
| 03:38.35 | aseigo_h | that's the "cat /dev/null" button |
| 03:38.44 | Alethes | I used to make people mad in #gnome all the time trying to suggest ways to make gnome suck less |
| 03:38.48 | canllaith | hahaha :) |
| 03:38.50 | aseigo_h | does anyone here have thunderbird installed? |
| 03:38.57 | Alethes | Seth Nickel has them all brainwashed, the bastard |
| 03:39.00 | canllaith | Nope |
| 03:39.13 | aseigo_h | Alethes: haha... well, suggestions don't upset me in the least |
| 03:39.27 | Alethes | I'm an idea guy, I guess |
| 03:39.37 | aseigo_h | Alethes: it's the "you suck and are an asshole to boot" exchanges that get me |
| 03:39.42 | Alethes | haha |
| 03:39.58 | Alethes | well, you suck, but I wouldn't call you an asshole :D |
| 03:40.01 | canllaith | I love so much the 'folder holds a mailing list - detect automatically' |
| 03:40.10 | aseigo_h | Alethes: i was thinking the opposite, actually ;-P |
| 03:40.14 | Alethes | haha |
| 03:40.17 | aseigo_h | canllaith: yeah |
| 03:40.59 | Dhraakellian | now, if someone from #gnome came in here and tried to tell us how to make KDE "suck less," how would we respond |
| 03:41.01 | Dhraakellian | ? |
| 03:41.05 | aseigo_h | seth nickel .. havoc pennington ... de Icaza... the GNOME project certainly has people with cool names |
| 03:41.14 | Alethes | why in the world does the calendar have the option of maximizing? |
| 03:41.22 | Alethes | aseigo_h: hehe |
| 03:41.27 | aseigo_h | Dhraakellian: erm. isn't that what Alethes' been doing? heh ... so i guess we can move on to the next one |
| 03:41.53 | aseigo_h | Alethes: in case you want to see it REALLY FUCKING HUGE |
| 03:41.55 | Alethes | haha |
| 03:42.01 | aseigo_h | Alethes: seriously though, it used to have no window decos |
| 03:42.11 | Alethes | ah ok |
| 03:42.15 | canllaith | I don't care what #gnome peeps say as long as everyone leaves 'kde is bloated' out of it |
| 03:42.15 | aseigo_h | Alethes: and we'd occassionaly get questions about how to make it go away |
| 03:42.30 | aseigo_h | Alethes: so i put them back and people don't ask anymore |
| 03:42.47 | Dhraakellian | aseigo_h, Alethes: alethes is from #gnome? |
| 03:42.48 | Alethes | hehe |
| 03:43.00 | canllaith | erm.. falsely* |
| 03:43.01 | Alethes | Dhraakellian: yeah, I'm a former gnome user |
| 03:43.05 | aseigo_h | Dhraakellian: [20:34:50] <Alethes> I used to make people mad in #gnome all the time trying to suggest ways to make gnome suck less |
| 03:43.19 | Dhraakellian | amazing how things like this get forgotten |
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| 03:43.33 | canllaith | too many mailing list |
| 03:43.34 | Dhraakellian | aseigo_h: I was assuming that he meant that he was going in as a KDE user |
| 03:43.35 | aseigo_h | canllaith: you know, i'm not sure how menacing a "rawr" in your voice would be =P |
| 03:43.36 | Dhraakellian | oops |
| 03:43.51 | aseigo_h | canllaith: though maybe if you screamed it? haven't heard you scream. |
| 03:44.03 | AssociateX | I cant get sounds to play with a mouse over, how do I set that up? |
| 03:44.06 | canllaith | aseigo_h, :o you wound me deeply! I have been assured that my 'rawr' is frighteningly scary .... everyone just falls over on the ground honest! |
| 03:44.15 | canllaith | The giggles, they are giggles of FRIGHT |
| 03:44.18 | aseigo_h | canllaith: falls on the ground .... giggling? |
| 03:44.21 | aseigo_h | hahaha |
| 03:44.22 | aseigo_h | damnit |
| 03:44.25 | canllaith | snap ;) |
| 03:44.26 | aseigo_h | that was MY punchline! |
| 03:44.28 | Alethes | khtml needs something to indicate an image is being loaded |
| 03:44.29 | AssociateX | maybe in the control center |
| 03:44.34 | Alethes | http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=8557&file1=8557-1.png&file2=8557-2.png&file3=&name=Almost+Industrial |
| 03:44.49 | aseigo_h | Alethes: patch for that on kfm-devel a week or so ago |
| 03:44.50 | Alethes | when I go there on my 56K modem, it looks like it's just blank and done loading |
| 03:44.55 | Alethes | :D |
| 03:45.01 | Alethes | know what I love most about KDE? |
| 03:45.06 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: as long as they're incapacitated |
| 03:45.08 | Alethes | all my great ideas are being done already :D |
| 03:45.19 | canllaith | Dhraakellian, indeed that's my evil plan |
| 03:45.34 | canllaith | besides, aseigo_h I thought my australian accent was already hysterically funny enough that a 'rawr' would just be icing on the cake |
| 03:46.04 | canllaith | Someone needs to write a plugin for kmail that goes through every folder designated to holding a mailing list and send a 'change of email' request to all of them :( This is TEDIOUS |
| 03:46.31 | Alethes | irc is a lot more convenient :D |
| 03:46.37 | AssociateX | Hey, the frigging settings for bitrate in kaudiocreator are in the control center... that's weird, you would think that it would be in the kaudiocreator settings |
| 03:46.37 | Alethes | brb |
| 03:47.01 | canllaith | Dhraakellian, hear what? |
| 03:47.04 | Dhraakellian | AssociateX: I've noticed that too |
| 03:47.09 | Dhraakellian | this hilarious rawr |
| 03:47.13 | jepel_tailweaver | hehe |
| 03:47.24 | jepel_tailweaver | so much discussion about canllaith's famous rawr |
| 03:47.25 | aseigo_h | canllaith: that's a cool idea =) |
| 03:47.26 | canllaith | heh Dhraakellian I have an english-australian accent and I sound like I'm about 15 years of age. |
| 03:47.38 | aseigo_h | canllaith: you're not 15 |
| 03:47.39 | aseigo_h | ? |
| 03:47.46 | jepel_tailweaver | no |
| 03:47.54 | canllaith | aseigo_h, hell yes! I think so. And to be able to send a mass 'stop my mailing list email for the moment cause I'm on holiday' request too :) |
| 03:48.01 | Dhraakellian | AssociateX: it would make sense to me if one could access that kcontrol module from kaudiocreator's config |
| 03:48.11 | canllaith | aseigo_h, grrrrrrrrr you're such a bad boy. No, I'm really not as young as I sound. Honest. |
| 03:48.16 | AssociateX | Dhraakellian, for sure |
| 03:48.31 | jepel_tailweaver | people confuse me with my father on the phone |
| 03:48.37 | jepel_tailweaver | my father being over 4x my age |
| 03:48.38 | aseigo_h | canllaith: hrm.. iirc zrusin had something like that a while back, but didn't commit since the code it built on was being refactored to death |
| 03:48.46 | Dhraakellian | it's done with konqueror |
| 03:48.53 | aseigo_h | jepel_tailweaver: how old are you? |
| 03:48.58 | jepel_tailweaver | aseigo_h: 14 |
| 03:49.21 | aseigo_h | ah |
| 03:49.38 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 03:50.08 | canllaith | aseigo_h, well this should be the last time I have to do it since I have my spiffy new alias |
| 03:50.11 | Dhraakellian | my dad is only about 2.7 times older than me |
| 03:50.22 | aseigo_h | canllaith: indeed |
| 03:50.36 | Dhraakellian | erm s/than/as/ |
| 03:50.48 | canllaith | my da is less than 2 times my age |
| 03:50.50 | canllaith | ;) |
| 03:50.57 | jepel_tailweaver | I can never remember exactly how old my dad is |
| 03:51.02 | jepel_tailweaver | but I remember his birth year |
| 03:51.15 | Dhraakellian | it's easier for me, since my dad was born in `50 |
| 03:51.33 | Alethes | my dad is 19 years older than me |
| 03:51.48 | Alethes | I'm 31 and he's 50 heh |
| 03:51.54 | canllaith | Most of my friends are the same age or older than my da.. which he has a few issues with lol |
| 03:52.08 | Alethes | ok |
| 03:52.14 | Alethes | I'm assuming "da" isn't a typo |
| 03:52.19 | canllaith | father |
| 03:52.21 | canllaith | um... daddy |
| 03:52.30 | Alethes | but you mean "da" not dad? |
| 03:52.32 | jepel_tailweaver | pater |
| 03:52.34 | jepel_tailweaver | paternal parent |
| 03:52.34 | canllaith | ya |
| 03:52.38 | Alethes | heh |
| 03:52.45 | jepel_tailweaver | pere |
| 03:52.46 | canllaith | and grandda and grandma.. what do you call them? |
| 03:52.47 | jepel_tailweaver | pedre |
| 03:52.47 | jepel_tailweaver | etc |
| 03:52.48 | Alethes | must be another down other thing |
| 03:53.01 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 03:53.04 | jepel_tailweaver | I don't have any grandfatheres, but I call both grandmothers Granny |
| 03:53.04 | canllaith | nah tis a celtic thing I imagine |
| 03:53.08 | Alethes | mom and dad, grandma and granddad or grandpa |
| 03:53.26 | canllaith | mom heh |
| 03:53.30 | aseigo_h | http://utopios.org/dev/projects/kde/mockup-images/triple-tabtaskbar-mergekwin.png |
| 03:53.32 | Alethes | real canadians use mum |
| 03:53.35 | aseigo_h | http://onefinger.sourceforge.net/after.png |
| 03:53.39 | Alethes | which I think is pretty comical |
| 03:54.00 | aseigo_h | Alethes: see, not even those suggestions annoy me. dissapoint and bore, yes... annoy, no =) |
| 03:54.18 | Alethes | checking |
| 03:54.22 | aseigo_h | Alethes: you're in canuckistan too? |
| 03:54.31 | jepel_tailweaver | canuckistan |
| 03:54.31 | jepel_tailweaver | hehe |
| 03:54.43 | Dhraakellian | aseigo_h: what's this? |
| 03:54.49 | canllaith | LOL |
| 03:54.56 | Alethes | aseigo_h: yeah, but I'm from Texas originally |
| 03:54.57 | aseigo_h | Dhraakellian: A WONDERFUL NEW IDEA |
| 03:55.00 | canllaith | What the HELL is that supposed to be ? |
| 03:55.08 | aseigo_h | Alethes: where in Canadia are you? |
| 03:55.14 | Alethes | North Bay, ON |
| 03:55.15 | Dhraakellian | a sorted taskbar thingy? |
| 03:55.30 | jepel_tailweaver | that thing looks cool |
| 03:55.36 | canllaith | oh dear god it's a nightmare |
| 03:55.38 | jepel_tailweaver | aseigo_h: that thing looks cool |
| 03:55.39 | aseigo_h | it started with a one liner email to kde-usability: "What about turning the taskbar into a tab-bar?" |
| 03:55.50 | Alethes | aseigo_h: I wonder what that guy thinks an app would look like when it wasn't maximized with that taskbar |
| 03:55.55 | aseigo_h | and then people went completley mad shortly therafter |
| 03:56.00 | canllaith | yeah .... that looks like a complete and utter nightmare to me |
| 03:56.09 | aseigo_h | Alethes: you don't unmaximize things in this design |
| 03:56.17 | jepel_tailweaver | am I the only one here who likes that? |
| 03:56.17 | Alethes | ugh |
| 03:56.18 | canllaith | oh that's right I was changing my email address. Again. |
| 03:56.20 | aseigo_h | Alethes: one window at a time, always maximized. |
| 03:56.24 | Alethes | hahaha |
| 03:56.29 | aseigo_h | jepel_tailweaver: yes. |
| 03:56.37 | Dhraakellian | give the first one a titlebar again, and it wouldn't look so bad |
| 03:56.38 | Alethes | email'em a good foot in the ass for me, will ya? |
| 03:56.53 | aseigo_h | jepel_tailweaver: i think it looks nice, in that he did a good job with the gimp. but.. yeah... what an abortion that would be |
| 03:57.00 | Dhraakellian | but the novelty would probably wear off fairly quickly |
| 03:57.18 | aseigo_h | Alethes: haha... i just try ignore such things. nothing to be gained from griping about something they'll never code anyways ;-) |
| 03:57.23 | Alethes | hehe |
| 03:57.35 | jepel_tailweaver | If it could sort dynamically, I'd love it. I don't like the predefined categories |
| 03:57.37 | aseigo_h | Alethes: and every once in a while an interesting and useful idea emerges.. so... yeah |
| 03:57.42 | Dhraakellian | y'know, this reminds me of something I've found in the computer labs on campus |
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| 03:57.46 | canllaith | aseigo_h, heh come on now, I'm _tryin_ to code the feature I want you just gotta make allowances that the rest of us aren't cpp/qt gods like you are |
| 03:57.51 | jepel_tailweaver | hey reddazz |
| 03:57.51 | aseigo_h | jepel_tailweaver: the "predefined categories" are actually the pager |
| 03:58.01 | jepel_tailweaver | aseigo_h: ah. nice! |
| 03:58.07 | Dhraakellian | it seems that most people, even some CS students, prefer having the monitor at the lowest possible resolution |
| 03:58.23 | aseigo_h | haha |
| 03:58.30 | canllaith | or offer him a head job, that could work too |
| 03:58.32 | Dhraakellian | which seems kinda stupid to me |
| 03:58.32 | aseigo_h | oh.. the k menu icon configurability |
| 03:58.32 | jepel_tailweaver | flutter...now that's a word I haven't heard in a while |
| 03:58.45 | canllaith | ...... ok, note to self. Remember to type /msg aseigo_h before typing crude things. |
| 03:58.54 | aseigo_h | hey now, i had no idea that sort of tender was on the table. |
| 03:59.10 | Alethes | I think being able to arrange the buttons on the taskbar into groups however you want |
| 03:59.38 | Alethes | then you could show/hide window groups |
| 03:59.40 | aseigo_h | i have a patch to DnD taskbar buttons to the pager (moving them to that desktop) |
| 03:59.42 | jepel_tailweaver | I'd love that |
| 03:59.44 | Alethes | which would replace the pager metaphor |
| 03:59.52 | aseigo_h | the next step being able to DnD the buttons around |
| 03:59.56 | jepel_tailweaver | Alethes: I like to seperate tasks by virtual desktop...I'd love to have that dynamically |
| 03:59.58 | AssociateX | I cant get pics or sound files to preview |
| 03:59.59 | aseigo_h | ... within the taskbar that is |
| 04:00.15 | jepel_tailweaver | aseigo_h: I like to seperate tasks by virtual desktop...I'd love to have that dynamically |
| 04:00.41 | aseigo_h | AssociateX: could be that it's set to the (silly default) of 1MB maximum size for thumbnailed files |
| 04:00.55 | aseigo_h | AssociateX: go into the config dialog and in the Metadata and Thumbnails page change that |
| 04:00.57 | AssociateX | I bumped that up |
| 04:01.17 | aseigo_h | AssociateX: ok.. and in View -> Previews, the Audio selection is ticked? |
| 04:01.49 | AssociateX | View -> Previews, Sound Files |
| 04:01.53 | AssociateX | yes |
| 04:03.30 | Alethes | I don't understand why you have to compile themes for kde |
| 04:03.43 | AssociateX | haha, no kidding |
| 04:04.02 | aseigo_h | Alethes: i bet you can figure it out if you consider it for a few moments ;-) |
| 04:04.20 | AssociateX | for optimization? |
| 04:04.26 | aseigo_h | .. .and ... |
| 04:04.34 | Alethes | well, considering every other window manager I've ever used just uses pixmaps, I'm not sure why kde has to be the exception even for performance |
| 04:04.37 | AssociateX | bragging rights? |
| 04:04.41 | Alethes | hah |
| 04:04.59 | aseigo_h | AssociateX: bingo! |
| 04:05.09 | AssociateX | "yeah man, I spent all weekend compiling themes" |
| 04:05.14 | Alethes | hehehe |
| 04:05.18 | neko | come on, being a theme designer wouldn't be quite so important if /anyone/ could do it ;o) |
| 04:05.23 | aseigo_h | actually, it for performance (it does make a difference), but also for flexbility |
| 04:05.41 | canllaith | and if you really want pixmaps there is the ability to use icewm themes...... |
| 04:05.42 | aseigo_h | e.g. animations, or the BII window deco's sliding tabs |
| 04:05.50 | aseigo_h | or RiskOS's minimize anims |
| 04:06.04 | Alethes | canllaith: how? |
| 04:06.06 | aseigo_h | or Glow's "throbbing" |
| 04:06.26 | canllaith | Alethes, if you go and look under Appearance & Themes -> Window Decorations, select 'icewm' from the list |
| 04:06.35 | canllaith | I believe there is a button there to open up a folder in which you can dump other icewm themes |
| 04:06.40 | aseigo_h | Alethes: install kde-artwork, you get an option for icewm window decos .. the rest is a matter of reading the text in the window deco config panel |
| 04:06.47 | Alethes | ah ok |
| 04:06.57 | Alethes | I saw the icewm option, but I just figured that was just the name of that style |
| 04:07.09 | Alethes | I used icewm for a long time |
| 04:07.17 | Alethes | used to be pretty involved |
| 04:07.47 | AssociateX | If file preview is enabled for Sound Files the file will be played whenever the mouse cursor is hovering over the file name or icon. <--- but it does not work for me. brb |
| 04:07.51 | Dhraakellian | performance bloat? |
| 04:08.22 | neko | yeah, back when I had MDK9.2 on this system and I tried KDE everything ran really slow |
| 04:08.39 | canllaith | ah neko that was mdk |
| 04:08.46 | canllaith | same version of KDE on slackware flew |
| 04:08.49 | neko | MDK10.1 community + same system and eerything runs smoothly |
| 04:08.59 | Alethes | woooooooohooooooooooooo |
| 04:09.08 | jepel_tailweaver | slack just plain flies |
| 04:09.18 | neko | well, the MDK hacked version of KDE was performance bloated then ;o) |
| 04:09.38 | aseigo_h | MDK has had performance issues, yes |
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| 04:10.36 | AssociateX | hmmm, strange |
| 04:10.38 | AssociateX | must be time for google |
| 04:10.41 | neko | what actually persuaded me to try KDE again was when I went into IWM straight after installing MDK10.1 |
| 04:10.55 | neko | IWM "felt" screwed up |
| 04:11.16 | neko | I can't put my fingure on what exactly MDK has done to it though |
| 04:11.22 | neko | *finger |
| 04:11.42 | canllaith | like redhat putting their own gay .kde in /etc/skel |
| 04:11.44 | canllaith | ew. Yuck. |
| 04:11.58 | Dhraakellian | /etc/skel? |
| 04:12.02 | canllaith | Yes. |
| 04:12.27 | canllaith | When you create a user account, the contents of /etc/skel are copied to their home directory |
| 04:12.35 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 04:12.43 | canllaith | so if you want all users to by default have certain kde settings or perhaps certain .emacsrc, that's where you would put the settings |
| 04:12.54 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 04:13.32 | Dhraakellian | how does KDE normally get its default settings into the home dir? |
| 04:13.41 | canllaith | It doesn't |
| 04:13.54 | canllaith | There are certain default settings that are actually coded in as being the defaults |
| 04:14.02 | canllaith | and it creates the .kde dir the first time you startx |
| 04:14.15 | canllaith | It doesn't actually populate it with config files usually until you change away from a default setting. The it writes to the rc file |
| 04:14.37 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 04:14.41 | Alethes | heh |
| 04:14.59 | Alethes | using an icewm theme I did a while back called BlueSquare -- BlueCurve without the curves |
| 04:15.27 | Dhraakellian | and does the /etc/skel dir only get copied over on user creation, or does it look for dirs that don't exist on login? |
| 04:15.50 | astro76 | user creation only |
| 04:15.55 | canllaith | Dhraakellian, no only user creation |
| 04:16.23 | canllaith | Once that has happened, the usual way unix apps work is if you change a default setting it looks for the presence of it's rc file, if not there it creates it. |
| 04:16.31 | canllaith | Generally it doesn't bother to write out a file unless you change away from defaults though. |
| 04:17.32 | Dhraakellian | okay |
| 04:18.14 | Dhraakellian | so you could actually get rid of a lot of RH's meddling by doing "rm -rf .kde/" on your first login? |
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| 04:23.07 | Alethes | anybody here familiar with cups? |
| 04:23.31 | aseigo_h | certainly. i have several in my kitchen in fact. |
| 04:23.44 | Alethes | I've gotten it set up mostly, so I can print to my wife's win32 box via samba, but the job just sits in the queue on her computer and never prints |
| 04:24.36 | aseigo_h | if it gets to her computer, then i'd imagine it isn't cups but her printing set up |
| 04:24.46 | Alethes | hmm |
| 04:24.53 | Alethes | she's able to print locally though |
| 04:24.57 | Alethes | me either |
| 04:25.02 | Alethes | I never print anything |
| 04:25.07 | Alethes | just thought it'd be nice to figure out how to do it |
| 04:25.41 | aseigo_h | i printed out a form with konqi today and it came out quite nice. figured i give it a whirl w/firefox and use the better of the two. and it wasn't even close. =P |
| 04:25.49 | AssociateX | Muha ha ha ha, I figured it out, I needed, Settings>Configure Konqueror>Previews & Meta-Data>Select Protocols and click file |
| 04:25.51 | Alethes | heh |
| 04:26.01 | Dhraakellian | print to file, fish:/ the file over, and print the .ps from there? |
| 04:26.09 | jepel_tailweaver | fish? |
| 04:26.14 | Alethes | Dhraakellian: that's not nearly as fun :P |
| 04:26.28 | Dhraakellian | Alethes: it's what I end up having to do, unfortunately |
| 04:26.41 | Dhraakellian | of course, it could be laziness in my case |
| 04:26.45 | Alethes | hehe |
| 04:26.50 | Dhraakellian | but I've never gotten printing properly set up on this box |
| 04:27.16 | Alethes | I think after I get printing working, I wanna get a modem for this box so I can do faxes and fun stuff like that |
| 04:27.23 | Alethes | I'd love to get caller ID working on this box |
| 04:27.35 | jepel_tailweaver | I don't even know if my laptop's modem works |
| 04:27.43 | jepel_tailweaver | I've had it for over a year, and never used it |
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| 04:29.11 | Alethes | my step-daughter gotta fish today |
| 04:29.15 | Alethes | she named it Squishy |
| 04:29.29 | Alethes | Squishy the Fishy |
| 04:29.31 | Alethes | heh |
| 04:29.35 | Alethes | not sure what to think |
| 04:29.58 | canllaith | LOL squishy the fishy? |
| 04:30.03 | Alethes | *nod* |
| 04:30.03 | aseigo_h | Alethes: assigning things silly names is completely normal for kids. in fact, i'd like to see more adults practice it too =) |
| 04:30.19 | aseigo_h | Alethes: single child? |
| 04:30.22 | Alethes | no |
| 04:30.25 | Alethes | youngest of 2 |
| 04:30.26 | Dhraakellian | Alethes: does it have an up to date version of ssh? |
| 04:30.31 | Alethes | hehe |
| 04:30.43 | Alethes | I'd name it fish:/ :D |
| 04:30.47 | aseigo_h | Alethes: cool ... i have one myself... boy |
| 04:31.04 | Alethes | I'm dealing with 2 girls |
| 04:31.10 | Alethes | haha |
| 04:31.24 | canllaith | I love it. I want a squishy the fishy :( |
| 04:31.31 | Alethes | I wanna boat so i can name it Format Sea: |
| 04:32.22 | Dhraakellian | *facepalm* |
| 04:32.41 | Alethes | I have a fondness for really bad puns |
| 04:32.42 | canllaith | omfg |
| 04:32.47 | Alethes | I think I used one here a while back |
| 04:32.56 | Alethes | regarding the dev con? |
| 04:33.01 | Alethes | was anybody here? |
| 04:33.13 | canllaith | hah some fuckwit is telling me all about how windows is better than KDE hcl-wise |
| 04:34.32 | Dhraakellian | hcl? |
| 04:34.38 | canllaith | sorry hci |
| 04:34.40 | aseigo_h | human computer interface |
| 04:34.46 | canllaith | yeah :) I just can't type |
| 04:34.57 | canllaith | [17:30] Optic2 i'm not saying KDE/GNOME are bad, they're just about 5 years behind the curve in HCI. |
| 04:34.58 | canllaith | [17:30] canllaith Medlir, well there are times you have to use a certain ui because you're supporting it or documenting it etc. |
| 04:34.58 | canllaith | [17:30] Optic2 not suprising becuase they're new |
| 04:34.58 | canllaith | [17:30] canllaith Define 'new' ? |
| 04:34.58 | canllaith | [17:30] Optic2 3-4 years old |
| 04:34.59 | canllaith | [17:30] canllaith No. |
| 04:35.01 | canllaith | [17:30] canllaith You are mistaken. |
| 04:36.21 | Dhraakellian | wait... KDE and Gnome aren't as advanced because they're newer? |
| 04:36.28 | canllaith | Apparently so =p |
| 04:36.35 | canllaith | Apparently KDE is only 3 years old, fancy that. |
| 04:37.00 | Dhraakellian | "New" as in not worked on much, or new as in "new release of a long standing product" |
| 04:37.15 | canllaith | New as in 'not worked on much' he really believes kde/gnome are only about 3 years old, as a project |
| 04:37.23 | Dhraakellian | the latter is true, but it's a reason why KDE is better |
| 04:37.41 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: well, one version every year |
| 04:37.56 | canllaith | Just trolling. I asked about the latest ibooks (cause I like to get opinions before buying) and mentioned I'd want to run linux on it for KDE |
| 04:38.13 | Dhraakellian | not sure why a Windows XP person would say that, since XP hasn't had an interface change since, what? 2001? 2002? |
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| 04:38.27 | Dhraakellian | oh... mac people? |
| 04:38.28 | AssociateX | I'm getting rid of OSS emulation. I'm also trying to add MIDI support with my es1371, anyone here have that done yet? |
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| 04:38.35 | canllaith | Dhraakellian, exactly |
| 04:38.40 | jepel_tailweaver | Dhraakellian: October 25, 2001 |
| 04:38.48 | python | hi can anyone tell me how to change my kmenu icon |
| 04:38.51 | python | i have an icon |
| 04:39.16 | canllaith | python, um maybe if docs has been generated yet ..... |
| 04:39.22 | Dhraakellian | and what's the current projected release decade^H^H^H^H^H^H^H date for Longhorn? |
| 04:39.33 | canllaith | python, yes! Give me a moment |
| 04:39.47 | canllaith | http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2870546 |
| 04:41.10 | canllaith | Dhraakellian, who knows. |
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| 04:52.13 | aseigo_h | hahahaha the first hit on google for "honolulu linux users group" is the Central Indiana Linux Users Group |
| 04:52.15 | aseigo_h | doh! |
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| 04:55.09 | AssociateX | I need 8mbgmsfx.sf2 |
| 04:55.23 | AssociateX | I wonder if it's free |
| 04:56.17 | AssociateX | I'll check on their site if they offer it |
| 04:56.30 | AssociateX | otherwise I'll just use the gnu one |
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| 05:13.45 | Alethes | after using konq for a week, I can understand why apple chose khtml over gecko |
| 05:13.55 | canllaith | oh? |
| 05:14.06 | Alethes | yeah khtml is slick |
| 05:14.07 | Alethes | I dig it |
| 05:14.34 | Alethes | it's definitely faster |
| 05:14.41 | canllaith | redrawing of windows in HEAD is super fast |
| 05:14.43 | Alethes | and it's featureful without useless crap |
| 05:15.20 | canllaith | mm what else do I need to build |
| 05:15.55 | DLightman | canllaith: faster? that can't be anything but good |
| 05:16.03 | canllaith | I have kdelibs/kdebase/kdenetwork and kdesdk |
| 05:16.09 | DLightman | all it needs now is to work with gmail |
| 05:16.15 | canllaith | It did, and then it regressed heh |
| 05:16.33 | Dhraakellian | aaaaugh! |
| 05:17.05 | Dhraakellian | yeah... I think that Konq is superior to out-of-the-box Firefox |
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| 05:31.30 | Alethes | anybody here played with Krita? |
| 05:31.49 | Dhraakellian | probably, but I haven't |
| 05:31.50 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 05:32.13 | jepel_tailweaver | gtk-qt can be handy for that |
| 05:32.27 | Alethes | I'm not sure what gtk-qt is |
| 05:32.28 | Dhraakellian | if The GIMP got ported to Qt, would that by definition make Qt the next version of GTK? |
| 05:32.40 | Alethes | haven't looked into it yet |
| 05:32.50 | Alethes | hehe |
| 05:33.02 | Alethes | the UI for krita looks a lot nicer |
| 05:33.07 | Alethes | gimps UI annoys me |
| 05:33.42 | Dhraakellian | Krita doesn't have all of The GIMP's features, does it? |
| 05:33.56 | Alethes | don't think so |
| 05:34.03 | Alethes | I don't need much |
| 05:34.13 | Alethes | I used to be a graphics person, but I quit that a long time ago |
| 05:36.31 | Dhraakellian | I'm wondering if it has enough for me to do my corpsing |
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| 05:38.53 | canllaith | is the new gimp out yet? I'm running the prerelease.... |
| 05:39.05 | canllaith | and it's pretty damn nice |
| 05:40.03 | Alethes | how do I make konq never show the menubar? |
| 05:40.11 | Alethes | I did ctrl-M to hide it |
| 05:40.18 | Alethes | do I need to save that view? |
| 05:40.31 | canllaith | umm yes |
| 05:40.34 | Alethes | and if so, how do I get to it to save after the menubar is hidden? :) |
| 05:40.42 | canllaith | pehraps bring up the save dialog |
| 05:40.43 | canllaith | then hide it |
| 05:40.45 | canllaith | then click save? |
| 05:40.51 | canllaith | I think that's how I did it |
| 05:41.09 | Alethes | ok |
| 05:41.35 | Alethes | it won't let me go to the main window with the save dialog up |
| 05:42.04 | canllaith | heh hang on |
| 05:43.15 | DLightman | same your view profile |
| 05:43.18 | DLightman | *save |
| 05:43.25 | DLightman | erm.. good point |
| 05:43.38 | canllaith | ok Alethes |
| 05:43.38 | Alethes | just added the Save View Profile to the toolbar :) |
| 05:43.44 | canllaith | The othe way of course |
| 05:43.52 | canllaith | is to add MenuBar=Disabled under general options |
| 05:44.12 | Alethes | ah ok |
| 05:44.19 | Alethes | for konquerorrc? |
| 05:44.19 | DLightman | canllaith: Alethes' solution was much better :P |
| 05:44.24 | canllaith | define 'better' |
| 05:45.17 | Alethes | ah |
| 05:45.21 | Alethes | menubars are ugly :) |
| 05:45.30 | Dhraakellian | "not requiring manual editing of config files" |
| 05:45.40 | canllaith | I do not define better such a way. |
| 05:46.07 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 05:46.16 | Dhraakellian | actually |
| 05:46.31 | Dhraakellian | yeah... the gui way stated would save that button there |
| 05:46.36 | Dhraakellian | or no... |
| 05:46.39 | Alethes | nope |
| 05:46.45 | Alethes | you can take it off after :) |
| 05:47.01 | Dhraakellian | the toolbar config is the same across view profiles, isn't it? |
| 05:47.09 | Dhraakellian | (which I personally don't like |
| 05:47.11 | Dhraakellian | ) |
| 05:47.13 | Alethes | I think so |
| 05:47.24 | Dhraakellian | (which is one more reason why I don't use konq for file management) |
| 05:47.30 | Alethes | 'cept I notice some buttons on the file manager view that aren't there for the web browser view and vice versa |
| 05:47.39 | Alethes | canllaith: what's different? |
| 05:47.46 | canllaith | oh wow, lots |
| 05:47.58 | Alethes | list every detail :P |
| 05:48.10 | Alethes | or ARSE |
| 05:48.13 | Alethes | heh |
| 05:48.27 | canllaith | Some minor visual changes, systray icon hiding, applet proxy has been kicked in the bum so things like menus in applet handles show up reliably now |
| 05:48.38 | canllaith | systray icons are no longer cut off in 'tiny' |
| 05:48.46 | canllaith | new cool tooltips |
| 05:49.18 | canllaith | systray icons go to double rows sooner, I think 48px |
| 05:49.37 | canllaith | ummmm lots. |
| 05:49.41 | canllaith | Lots and lots. |
| 05:49.42 | Alethes | I heard the desktop menubar panel will be able to do the applets |
| 05:49.54 | Alethes | I wouldn't mind that feature |
| 05:50.09 | canllaith | and the size option has been moved out of the kicker menu and into the configuration dialog instead :( |
| 05:50.17 | Alethes | gah |
| 05:50.26 | Dhraakellian | couldn't you just put the menubar in kicker as an applet? |
| 05:50.27 | Alethes | there they go again with the configs |
| 05:50.32 | DLightman | there, uber-minimal toolbar layout |
| 05:50.36 | Alethes | Dhraakellian: I'd love that |
| 05:50.51 | Dhraakellian | I think it's already possible with the application menubar |
| 05:50.54 | Alethes | I wanted that for gnome, actually |
| 05:50.55 | canllaith | actually I find kickers configuration options to be reasonably sane, if not even close to the amount there actually are |
| 05:51.01 | Alethes | Dhraakellian: don't think so |
| 05:51.14 | Dhraakellian | in 3.3.2? |
| 05:51.16 | Dhraakellian | try it |
| 05:51.36 | Alethes | oooooo |
| 05:51.36 | Alethes | wait a sec |
| 05:52.01 | Alethes | Yes! |
| 05:52.03 | Alethes | woooooooohooooooooooooooo |
| 05:52.08 | Alethes | heh heh heh |
| 05:52.12 | Alethes | that's exactly what I wanted :D |
| 05:52.16 | Alethes | <--happy man |
| 05:52.19 | canllaith | ooh kasbar has been changed |
| 05:52.22 | Alethes | doesn't take much huh? :) |
| 05:52.28 | Alethes | all those other panels are ugly |
| 05:52.47 | canllaith | oooh and it floats now |
| 05:53.12 | Dhraakellian | floats? |
| 05:53.21 | Dhraakellian | what did they do to kasbar? |
| 05:53.21 | qazix | is kasbar still fugly, though? |
| 05:53.26 | Dhraakellian | good things? bad things? |
| 05:53.33 | canllaith | I'll screenshot in a sec |
| 05:54.03 | Alethes | ok, now I have to find room on my panel for the menubar |
| 05:54.11 | Dhraakellian | maybe it has something to do with the little task switcher thing I had in OS/2 |
| 05:54.50 | canllaith | oooh it has a 'to tray' option like icewm does |
| 05:58.15 | Dhraakellian | can: which? |
| 05:58.33 | Dhraakellian | ouch... the panel hurts my eyeses now, it does |
| 05:59.16 | Dhraakellian | is it possible to change the colors on that thing so that it'll show up on dark backgrounds? |
| 05:59.23 | Dhraakellian | actually... |
| 05:59.31 | Dhraakellian | nm... I think I know how |
| 05:59.47 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/kasbar.jpg |
| 06:00.41 | Dhraakellian | STUPID FIREFOX! |
| 06:00.41 | Dhraakellian | there |
| 06:00.46 | Dhraakellian | had to get that out of my system |
| 06:00.50 | canllaith | :P |
| 06:01.11 | Dhraakellian | it's not wanting to open things in new tabs when they're opened from external apps |
| 06:02.11 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 06:02.32 | Dhraakellian | okay... so menubar colors are controlled by the window text color? |
| 06:02.34 | Dhraakellian | that's no fun |
| 06:04.13 | Dhraakellian | 'twas hurting my eyes with its bright greyness |
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| 06:08.07 | DLightman | is there any special reason that kmail doesn't use kwallet? |
| 06:08.55 | canllaith | it does in cvs head |
| 06:09.03 | DLightman | oh good |
| 06:09.42 | canllaith | I have just never been able to get used to that thing |
| 06:10.57 | canllaith | I like the xfce iconbar. I have never been able to be fond of kasbar |
| 06:11.00 | Dhraakellian | when kopete is visible, that is |
| 06:11.09 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: what's that like? |
| 06:11.34 | canllaith | a very simple kasbar like thing |
| 06:11.49 | canllaith | all it is, is icons of applications (I set it to only show minimised ones) and it hides when there is nothing on it |
| 06:11.55 | canllaith | you can drag it to any place on the screen |
| 06:12.08 | Dhraakellian | http://dhraakellian.sevspace.com/pics/screenshots/os2screenshot.png <-- perhaps that thing down in the lower left is why I prefer kasbar to the actual taskbar |
| 06:12.23 | Dhraakellian | but I think I like kasbar better than that thing |
| 06:12.57 | canllaith | looks rather like the xfce4 iconbox (sorry box not bar) |
| 06:14.01 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/xfce-iconbox.jpg |
| 06:14.29 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: can you make it transparent? |
| 06:14.43 | canllaith | Nope it is simple. |
| 06:14.51 | Dhraakellian | or remove the thingies on the side? |
| 06:14.54 | canllaith | That's all it does. |
| 06:14.57 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 06:15.26 | aseigo_h | aaaaaaah ... now i know that sharif don't like it, but candle lit baths rocks the kasbah! |
| 06:15.35 | canllaith | like |
| 06:15.37 | Dhraakellian | I think that the task switcher I had in OS/2 was more like kasbar |
| 06:15.52 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/screenshots/Slackware_9_1.jpg |
| 06:15.56 | Dhraakellian | aseigo_h: teh narf? |
| 06:15.58 | canllaith | There we go. Small floating panels. Yum |
| 06:16.54 | Dhraakellian | fluxbox with various things from other DE's? |
| 06:16.58 | canllaith | heh that is |
| 06:17.07 | qazix | neat, but I still prefer a dedicated panel set to hide automagically for my glorified quick app launcher ;) |
| 06:17.17 | canllaith | a rather incestuous mix of xfce rox and flux |
| 06:17.25 | canllaith | qazix, ah there is a right click menu for that |
| 06:17.33 | canllaith | and man was it hard to train myself to use icons :| |
| 06:17.34 | Dhraakellian | incestuous? |
| 06:17.48 | Dhraakellian | dare I ask what warrants that adjective? |
| 06:17.52 | canllaith | Well it feels like an unholy coupling |
| 06:17.58 | canllaith | or tripling, as the case may be |
| 06:18.31 | qazix | nah... I once tried metacity in place of kwin and I run gnome-settings-daemon ;) |
| 06:18.59 | canllaith | I really am fond of icewm - I used it with kmail and konqueror from kde 3.1.4 for a while |
| 06:20.11 | aseigo_h | ever notice how palm trees ALWAYS survive the disasters? |
| 06:20.19 | aseigo_h | hurricans: palms stay up |
| 06:20.30 | aseigo_h | tsunamis: they hold their breath and resurface upright as alwasy |
| 06:20.33 | Alethes | ok quick question |
| 06:20.39 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 06:20.50 | aseigo_h | so why in the hell don't we all live in palm trees already? Hmmmm? |
| 06:20.59 | Alethes | I wanna put the menbar on a panel by itself at the bottom of the screen with it auto hidden |
| 06:21.00 | Dhraakellian | colaborators |
| 06:21.04 | Alethes | think that'll fly? |
| 06:21.09 | Alethes | think I just realized how to do it |
| 06:22.17 | Alethes | ah yeah :D |
| 06:23.06 | aseigo_h | ahahaahhhahaa... christians sigh http://us.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/12/29/israel.antiquities.ap/index.html |
| 06:26.56 | Dhraakellian | ... |
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| 07:12.44 | norsad | I've got a new T42 PM 1,7 with 80 GB Samsung 5400 HD, which is imo a bit noisy. There is a shhh which comes out of the drive all the time and I think about changing it to the Hitachi 80 GB 5400 drive. |
| 07:13.02 | norsad | Comments on this or other drives? |
| 07:13.45 | norsad | Has anybody any experience about the noise of that drives (perhaps a comparison) ? |
| 07:14.46 | sarah03 | *shrug* My system always has a bit of a whine to it, but it's also running 3 WD drives [2x40G, 1x80G], and I need to replace some of the fans in it as well. |
| 07:15.34 | norsad | fluid drives? |
| 07:15.45 | sarah03 | The drives, all things considered, aren't that noisy. I think it's my fans that need replacing, since I can't even tell when it's performing heavy disk access. |
| 07:17.58 | sarah03 | They're just standard western digital IDE hard drives... the 2 40G drives are a bit older, but they work just fine still. |
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| 07:37.05 | gregday | anyone following the kicker->tabbar discussion on kde-devel |
| 07:37.10 | gregday | and think this is absolutely nuts |
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| 07:41.55 | Dhraakellian | or urgently wanting another channel with which to keep up or ignore |
| 07:42.52 | gregday | i meant the mailing lsit |
| 07:43.43 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 07:47.48 | sarah03 | I was going to say... there's no such conversation going on in #kde-devel. [It's been damned near silent for the past 2 hours, actually.] |
| 07:49.01 | Dhraakellian | heh |
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| 07:51.32 | mustasj | morning all |
| 07:51.55 | gregday | morning |
| 07:55.50 | Dhraakellian | 'morning |
| 07:55.58 | norsad | I've got a new T42 PM 1,7 with 80 GB Samsung 5400 HD, which is imo a bit noisy. There is a shhh which comes out of the drive all the time and I think about changing it to the Hitachi 80 GB 5400 drive |
| 07:56.18 | norsad | Has anybody any experience about the noise of that drives (perhaps a comparison) ? |
| 07:57.59 | mustasj | norsad: My hitachi 20gb 5400 is very quiet... if your motherboard supports it I'd buy a 7200... |
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| 08:03.06 | norsad | don't want quiet son |
| 08:03.12 | norsad | want silent |
| 08:03.21 | norsad | fluid bearing drive should be silent when idly spinning |
| 08:03.22 | norsad | right? |
| 08:03.33 | norsad | when this damn drive stops spinning, i feel much better |
| 08:03.36 | norsad | the silence of the environment |
| 08:03.55 | sarah03 | norsad: You're talking about a media which explicitly has moving parts. It might get to the point of very quiet, but silent is a physical impossibility. |
| 08:04.34 | gregday | sarah03: if its not spinning, whence the noise? |
| 08:04.53 | sarah03 | gregday: "when spinning" |
| 08:05.30 | gregday | ah i thought he was only talking about silence when it stopped |
| 08:06.51 | norsad | i would like the silence i feel when the buster is not spinning to carry over to when it is spinning |
| 08:07.13 | Dhraakellian | the main noise that comes from my computer is the fan, which is fairly quiet |
| 08:07.25 | Dhraakellian | actually, static and such from the speakers is a worse annoyance |
| 08:07.43 | sarah03 | The fans in my machine are fairly noisy; as I commented earlier, they need replacing. |
| 08:07.48 | norsad | i do not mind fans unless they are high-pitched |
| 08:07.50 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 08:08.05 | norsad | low noises are comfortable, like the seeking of a hd |
| 08:08.07 | Dhraakellian | I think my dad has one quiet fan and one noisy fan |
| 08:08.43 | Dhraakellian | sometimes even from downstairs in the basement |
| 08:09.08 | Dhraakellian | (his computer is in the room fairly closeto the top of the basement stairs) |
| 08:09.11 | norsad | a fluid dynamic bearing drive should not make a shhhh when it is idly spinning, should it? |
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| 08:17.05 | DeadS0ul | wtf, kaffeine can't play mp4 files? |
| 08:17.24 | norsad | this is notebook, folks |
| 08:18.07 | gregday | DeadS0ul: im pretty sure kaffeine isn't a decoder |
| 08:19.01 | DeadS0ul | it's uses xine |
| 08:19.32 | Dhraakellian | kaffiene can only play what xine (or whatever backend it's using...) can play |
| 08:19.47 | Dhraakellian | xine can only play stuff for which it has the codecs, I think |
| 08:22.14 | gregday | you'll probably need faad if it's mp4 audio (aac) |
| 08:25.38 | DeadS0ul | ah..thought mp4 was a video |
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| 08:26.34 | Flendor | Good morrow. |
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| 08:38.23 | bietch | the command to change the passwd is "passwd" right in bash ? |
| 08:38.35 | DeadS0ul | yeap |
| 08:39.07 | bietch | shake@wifi ~$ passwd |
| 08:39.07 | bietch | password updated successfully |
| 08:39.07 | bietch | shake@wifi ~$ |
| 08:39.08 | bietch | errr ?? |
| 08:39.15 | bietch | why ? the bash dont ask me the new passwd |
| 08:39.46 | straw | passwd username |
| 08:39.54 | straw | man passwd |
| 08:40.42 | bietch | shake@wifi ~$ passwd shake |
| 08:40.42 | bietch | password updated successfully |
| 08:40.43 | bietch | damn! |
| 08:40.57 | straw | eh? |
| 08:40.59 | bietch | why the bash dont ask me the new passwd |
| 08:42.00 | straw | become root |
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| 08:42.44 | Flendor | Hi again.. |
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| 08:46.20 | DeadS0ul | hello |
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| 08:50.05 | Flendor | Hello canny |
| 08:51.19 | canllaith | hi there :) |
| 08:52.15 | Flendor | How's it going_ |
| 08:52.18 | canllaith | yeah pretty good |
| 08:52.23 | Flendor | Sorry, the _ should have been ? |
| 08:52.50 | Flendor | I forgot to bring the Linux CD's to our office AGAIN today >:/ |
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| 09:15.32 | vri | hi |
| 09:15.35 | vri | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.32 | vri | about DOM and JS implementation in particular |
| 09:19.01 | Dhraakellian | just on a wild guess, #kde-devel |
| 09:19.45 | vri | thans :) didn't see this channel |
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| 10:11.56 | camje_lemon | d |
| 10:12.06 | camje_lemon | Hello people |
| 10:12.37 | camje_lemon | i'e a problem when i launch kde. I upgrade KDE 3.3.2, qt 3.3.3 and X 6.8.1 |
| 10:12.53 | camje_lemon | now i launch KDE, i see the splash and after X crash :( |
| 10:13.10 | camje_lemon | i test to downgrade 3.2 ? |
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| 10:18.16 | mustasj | camje_lemon: crashes completly? what's in Xorg's log? |
| 10:18.57 | camje_lemon | mustasj: i don"t look the logs of X :) |
| 10:19.01 | camje_lemon | isearch |
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| 10:21.17 | camje_lemon | mustasj: i dont see error ôÔ |
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| 10:53.37 | funky | hello |
| 10:54.04 | funky | it could be nice that akregator could open multimedia files |
| 10:54.16 | funky | at least pictures |
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| 12:30.22 | Flendor | Hello. |
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| 12:57.20 | ciga | hi |
| 12:58.22 | ciga | is there an editor with syntax highlight and Dropdown Function Lists and Function Parameter Popup? |
| 12:59.56 | DeadS0ul | ..uh..kwrite has syntax highlighting and folding |
| 13:00.18 | DeadS0ul | dunno bout function parameter popups though, think that's only available in kdevelop |
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| 13:00.25 | DeadS0ul | or quanta if you're doing php |
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| 13:00.45 | Mooby | hi |
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| 13:18.55 | ciga | DeadS0ul: quanta can pop up php function, but not my functions... |
| 13:19.57 | DeadS0ul | oh.. |
| 13:20.05 | DeadS0ul | guess that happens.. |
| 13:22.11 | ciga | would kdevelop know this? |
| 13:22.21 | ciga | for php files. |
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| 13:28.25 | barcley | I have chosen Logitech Internet Keyboard as Keyboard Layout which has some extra keys like VolumeUp/VolumeDown. If i press them i see an window which shows the volume increasing/decreasing and kmix opens. How can I deactivate this? I can't find it ... |
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| 13:48.25 | da_bon_bon | hi all. |
| 13:48.26 | da_bon_bon | how do i get a "My computer" icon ? on desktop in KDE ? on FC3 ? |
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