| 00:00.04 | Dhraakellian | well, I seem to recall that the systray minimization behavior changed between 1.2 and 1.3 |
| 00:00.55 | Dhraakellian | so I guessed that it might have been done on purpose (the reasons for doing so would be beyond me...), but it might be a bug |
| 00:02.04 | Dhraakellian | I think I saw beta2 in portage... I'll have to check |
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| 00:07.12 | Marcus101 | Hi all |
| 00:07.15 | noonehere | hello all |
| 00:07.21 | noonehere | where do i install a theme for kde |
| 00:07.42 | Marcus101 | is there a way of starting a program after kde is loaded ? (automatically) |
| 00:08.19 | grepper | Marcus101: kde-config --userpath autostart |
| 00:08.26 | Marcus101 | a yes thanks |
| 00:08.42 | grepper | put a *.desktop file or link or ex. shellscript there |
| 00:08.46 | Marcus101 | forgot that autostart |
| 00:08.57 | Marcus101 | thanks |
| 00:09.00 | grepper | np |
| 00:09.45 | Marcus101 | bye |
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| 00:12.42 | Marcus101 | hmm back again, forgot one thing to ask |
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| 00:13.10 | Infohawk | My problem is not my settings. :( |
| 00:13.10 | Marcus101 | when starting kde, arts has a default volume level loaded. But that volume is far too loud |
| 00:13.17 | Marcus101 | (for my sound card) |
| 00:13.48 | Marcus101 | and I can't find a way of lowering that volume loaded at startup |
| 00:14.00 | Infohawk | KDE doesn't go past the "loading desktop" sequence. :/ And I can't even use kde apps in gnome. |
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| 00:14.45 | Dhraakellian | Marcus101: kcontrol > sound & multimedia > mixer |
| 00:15.14 | Marcus101 | yes "save current volume" thats it o? |
| 00:15.16 | Marcus101 | no* |
| 00:15.24 | Dhraakellian | should be |
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| 00:15.37 | Infohawk | Could a lock file be stopping kde from loading? |
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| 00:15.37 | Marcus101 | well dunno doesnt change a thing... :( |
| 00:16.05 | Dhraakellian | personally, I disabled system sounds and use the sound mixer kicker applet to change the volume for my music |
| 00:16.22 | Marcus101 | when looking at the arts volume meter, the blue bar always starts at "0" (db I suppose) and I have to reduce it every time |
| 00:16.25 | grepper | Infohawk: did you look in the logs ? |
| 00:16.43 | Marcus101 | well ok but noatun and juk use arts volume |
| 00:16.55 | Marcus101 | or if there is a way of disabling this I'd be happy |
| 00:17.28 | grepper | Marcus101: do you use alsa ? |
| 00:17.38 | Marcus101 | nope :/ |
| 00:17.41 | grepper | ok |
| 00:17.44 | Infohawk | grepper, the .kde3-errors log? |
| 00:17.58 | grepper | Infohawk: usually its ~/.xsession-errors |
| 00:18.22 | grepper | or /var/log/kdm.log or /var/log/XFree86.0.log if it didn't get too far |
| 00:18.57 | Marcus101 | Dhraakellian: Juste realised that volume thing works, but it loads kmixers volume; And I don't have a prob with that, what's annoying me is the arts volume |
| 00:19.15 | Marcus101 | that you can also check in the arts control tool |
| 00:19.32 | Marcus101 | "artscontrol" |
| 00:20.14 | Marcus101 | :) |
| 00:21.13 | Marcus101 | well anyways is there a way of reducing arts default volume ? |
| 00:22.02 | noonehere | how do i install a theme in kde |
| 00:22.05 | Dhraakellian | gstreamer seems to do it, but amarok doesn't seem to stable, and I think that might have something to do with compiling it with gstreamer support |
| 00:22.18 | Marcus101 | ./configure, make and make install |
| 00:22.55 | grepper | noonehere: you may need to install it manually, or get a thememanager, perhaps avail on app-kde.org |
| 00:23.02 | grepper | apps |
| 00:23.14 | Dhraakellian | kde-apps.org ? |
| 00:23.23 | Marcus101 | well if no one knows for arts, I'm going to bed :/ |
| 00:23.27 | grepper | http://kde-apps.org/ |
| 00:23.28 | Marcus101 | see you all ++ |
| 00:23.29 | grepper | sorry |
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| 00:25.39 | Infohawk | Is "QPainter::killPStack: non-empty save/restore stack when end() was called" significant? I see it a lot. |
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| 00:28.00 | jdavidboyd | Can I ask a question? I'm using Mandrake 10, with KDE, and when I go to the Advanced Menu (top left corner) and say to "Store Window Settings" the actual desktop is also being stored, so that when I restart the program later, it comes back on the desktop it was on before. Is there any way to remove the desktop setting, but save the window size, etc. Any idea where this info is saved? |
| 00:28.25 | Dhraakellian | Yes, you can |
| 00:28.33 | Infohawk | "konqueror: ERROR: ERROR 3: couldn't create slave : Can't talk to klaunche" is another error I'm getting in the logs |
| 00:31.28 | grepper | Infohawk: try rm'ing /tmp/kde-$USER and ~/.DCOP* and ~/.ICE* as well, then relogin |
| 00:35.33 | Infohawk | i'll try it |
| 00:38.55 | Dhraakellian | the bug/feature exists in krusader 1.4.0 beta 2 as well |
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| 00:42.34 | Marctraider | Anyone herE? |
| 00:42.48 | Dhraakellian | Nope |
| 00:42.51 | Marctraider | If i do startkde i dont want kdesktop to be runned, how can i stop this? |
| 00:42.53 | Dhraakellian | definitely not |
| 00:42.58 | Marctraider | :) |
| 00:43.08 | thiago | Marctraider: edit startkde |
| 00:43.22 | Dhraakellian | we don't exist; we are but figments of your imagination |
| 00:43.23 | Marctraider | well i dont see a kdesktop thing in that, i already checked the file |
| 00:46.13 | Marctraider | maybe $KDEDIR/share/autostart |
| 00:47.29 | teatime | Marctraider: yeah |
| 00:47.31 | Marctraider | heh :) |
| 00:47.38 | Marctraider | yes probably |
| 00:48.03 | teatime | hmm.. what's -K ? |
| 00:48.10 | Marctraider | --USEPKGONLY |
| 00:48.14 | teatime | ah |
| 00:48.32 | Marctraider | I have a big storage of binary's optimized for my 233mhz laptop ;) |
| 00:48.34 | Dhraakellian | emerge -K ? |
| 00:48.38 | Marctraider | compiled by my Athlon XP |
| 00:48.50 | Marctraider | oh you guys arent gentoo users are you? |
| 00:48.56 | teatime | I tried the gentoo packages of kde-3.1 on one box.. damned fast :) |
| 00:49.01 | Marctraider | heh |
| 00:49.05 | Marctraider | Gentoo is fast if you do it right ;) |
| 00:49.10 | Marctraider | i love the customizability |
| 00:49.25 | Marctraider | I dont know what you guys all use? |
| 00:49.30 | Dhraakellian | I love the lack of dependancy hell when upgrading KDE |
| 00:49.30 | grepper | I didn't notice a difference |
| 00:50.02 | Marctraider | i do |
| 00:50.04 | Dhraakellian | (and the nice documentation and IRC channel help make it a good distro) |
| 00:50.20 | teatime | good forum too |
| 00:50.23 | Dhraakellian | I noticed a definite difference when switching from RH9 |
| 00:50.51 | grepper | my comparison was with debian sid |
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| 00:51.25 | Dhraakellian | but then again, I also switched to a 2.4GHz p4 from a 400MHz celeron, to 512MB RAM instead of 128MB, and to kernel 2.6.x from kernel 2.4.x, so the results might be a tad skewed |
| 00:51.29 | Marctraider | I tried all distro's on my 233mhz laptop, all where too slow if i went for a nice desktop environment, i dint knew how to install light wm's fast, with the taskbar's i wanted etc... |
| 00:51.39 | grepper | big difference from woody, but that was due to other improvements, like libc6 |
| 00:52.07 | teatime | grepper: !!? |
| 00:52.29 | teatime | libc6? didn't that change happen mostly back in 1998? |
| 00:52.55 | grepper | teatime: woody is old, but not that old :) |
| 00:53.58 | Marctraider | DAMN THOSE MOSQUITOS |
| 00:54.01 | Marctraider | grrr |
| 00:54.56 | Dhraakellian | being the Pratchett fan that I am |
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| 01:17.39 | Marctraider | Mhhh |
| 01:17.50 | Marctraider | Anyone knows how i can get other languages in KDE? |
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| 01:22.27 | NamShub | Marctraider: what distro? |
| 01:22.35 | Marctraider | Gentoo |
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| 01:22.43 | Marctraider | i'd like polish language |
| 01:22.53 | NamShub | err Im not sure for gentoo |
| 01:23.03 | Marctraider | i tried l18n or something for poland but it wont show up in kcontrol |
| 01:23.04 | NamShub | I know you can set LINGUAS="pl" or something |
| 01:23.07 | NamShub | thene emerge |
| 01:23.09 | Marctraider | yes i did |
| 01:23.17 | Marctraider | But i can only choose english as language :( |
| 01:23.23 | Marctraider | kde 3.3.0 beta1 |
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| 01:24.13 | Marctraider | To be honest those l18n things where not for 3.3.0 but for 3.2 |
| 01:24.24 | Marctraider | but i dont think that can be harmfull? |
| 01:24.56 | NamShub | well the -i18n pacakge should be the same version as your kde |
| 01:25.01 | sarah03 | Marctraider: What's "emerge -s kde-i18n" have to say? |
| 01:25.13 | Marctraider | mhh |
| 01:25.16 | Marctraider | lets take a look :0 |
| 01:25.38 | Marctraider | 3.2.2 :( |
| 01:25.59 | NamShub | you sync'd? |
| 01:26.03 | Marctraider | mhh yes |
| 01:26.12 | Marctraider | well i try again maybe it works |
| 01:26.42 | Marctraider | otherwise i will fall back to another version, i dont really like this 3.3.0 as much anyway, some minor problems |
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| 01:27.02 | NamShub | well beta are for bug-reporting :D |
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| 01:27.27 | Marctraider | NamShub, yeah :) |
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| 01:28.12 | IndigloMouth | Hi... I'm looking for instructions on using themes in KDE |
| 01:28.26 | NamShub | Oh I have a question too... I can't start KDE from KDM (it just dies and goes back to KDM), I have to choose "Console Login" and then startx |
| 01:28.38 | NamShub | (debian) |
| 01:28.42 | IndigloMouth | Could somebody point me to a good site, or something? |
| 01:28.44 | reubot | themes what version |
| 01:29.23 | IndigloMouth | reubot, I'm guessing 3, though I'm not sure |
| 01:29.33 | reubot | do you mena theme engines? |
| 01:29.52 | IndigloMouth | reubot, I mean themes as in the ones found on themes.freshmeat.net |
| 01:29.53 | reubot | because themes arn't being re-introduced untill 3.3 I tihnk |
| 01:29.55 | reubot | ahh |
| 01:30.01 | NamShub | before 3.3, themes = style + color + win deco |
| 01:30.41 | IndigloMouth | I just installed with Knoppix (please don't kill me)... and I want a different looking desktop |
| 01:30.55 | sarah03 | Marctraider: I don't know if the appropriate kde-i18n-[lang] packages are available for 3.3.0_beta1.. you could try copying /usr/portage/kde-base/kde-i18n/kde-i18n-3.2.3.ebuild to kde-i18n-3.3.0_beta1.ebuild (the only differences between the 3.2.1, 3.2.2, and 3.2.3 ebuilds are a few languages added between the 3) and then try 'emerge /usr/portage/kde-base/kde-i18n/kde-i18n-3.3.0_beta1.ebuild'. |
| 01:31.07 | reubot | ahh. |
| 01:31.12 | NamShub | IndigloMouth: wat look you want? |
| 01:31.21 | Marctraider | mhh |
| 01:31.26 | reubot | in kcontrol under styles is what uou might likely want |
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| 01:31.39 | IndigloMouth | NamShub, I was looking at Moonlight Glass 1.0 on freshmeat.net |
| 01:31.49 | Marctraider | sarah03, i dont really understand why i need to do that? :/ |
| 01:32.00 | sarah03 | I don't know for certain if it'll work, but it makes sense that it would. |
| 01:32.12 | NamShub | IndigloMouth: I personally suggest apt-get'ting kde-artwork and using plastik :D |
| 01:32.19 | Marctraider | sarah03, lastest one in portage is 3.2.3 |
| 01:32.24 | sarah03 | Marctraider: The idea is that portage bases it's package versions on the filenames. |
| 01:32.30 | Marctraider | yes |
| 01:32.40 | sarah03 | so 'kde-i18n-3.2.3.ebuild' is the 'kde-i18n' package, version '3.2.3' |
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| 01:32.53 | IndigloMouth | NamShub, I'll check that out :-) |
| 01:32.59 | Marctraider | yup |
| 01:33.06 | sarah03 | Copy the file to 'kde-i18n-3.3.0_beta1.ebuild' and it becomes the ebuild for '3.3.0_beta1' |
| 01:33.08 | NamShub | IndigloMouth: that doesnt appear to be a KDE theme |
| 01:33.22 | Marctraider | sarah03, but i could just as wel emerge the 3.2.3 ebuild |
| 01:33.29 | burn | does anyone know a working fix for running quake3 (and derivative games) under arts? |
| 01:33.34 | burn | artsdsp -m wolfsp |
| 01:33.40 | burn | gives chop and async even when the arts buffer is as small as it can be |
| 01:33.55 | IndigloMouth | Oh... it's not? My bad... |
| 01:34.05 | NamShub | IndigloMouth: err I dont know |
| 01:34.10 | sarah03 | *shrug* You could. I was figuring on the lines of you're using 3.3.0_beta1, so best off to keep your KDE packages the same version. |
| 01:34.11 | NamShub | IndigloMouth: might be |
| 01:34.13 | Marctraider | sarah03, no matter how the ebuild is called, it will install itself in the same dirs... and will not work like that |
| 01:34.33 | IndigloMouth | NamShub, actually, now that I look at it, it looks like it's IceWM |
| 01:34.36 | NamShub | Marctraider: KDE shouldnt install in "hardcoded" version dir |
| 01:34.56 | Marctraider | but the point is i already have kde |
| 01:35.04 | NamShub | Yes it's IceWM :) |
| 01:35.36 | Marctraider | i think you guys try to get i18n 3.2.3 to compile with emerge kde-3.3.0 |
| 01:36.18 | NamShub | IndigloMouth: I suggest looke www.kde-look.org for styles and themes.... |
| 01:36.33 | sarah03 | There aren't any hard-coded paths in the ebuild for KDE. It all gets installed into a version specific directory, and if emerge thinks it's a 3.3 version that it's installing, it'll install into /usr/kde/3.3. |
| 01:36.46 | IndigloMouth | NamShub, I'll check that out too |
| 01:36.58 | Marctraider | sarah03, really? |
| 01:37.00 | sarah03 | And ... the package version is determined by the name of the ebuild. |
| 01:37.09 | Marctraider | sarah03, i didnt knew that |
| 01:38.09 | Marctraider | sarah03, lol you are damn right |
| 01:38.09 | pilgrimjk | does anyone know what irc server #kde-usability is on? |
| 01:38.12 | sarah03 | $PV in the ebuild is set to the version specifier in the filename... $PV for 'kde-i18n-3.2.3.ebuild' will be '3.2.3', with a major.minor of 3.2. |
| 01:38.25 | Marctraider | but actually i can just do cp -fr /usr/kde/3.2/* /usr/kde/3.3/ |
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| 01:38.37 | pilgrimjk | the website says irc.openprojects.net, but that doesn't seem to exist |
| 01:38.41 | Marctraider | since i have i18n installed already lol |
| 01:39.03 | sarah03 | Yeah, except that'll overwrite your 3.3 installation with 3.2 (and portage won't work on the kde-3.3 anymore) |
| 01:39.25 | sarah03 | All of the checksums go to hell. :) |
| 01:39.28 | Marctraider | well in 3.2/ only the i18n files are there ;) |
| 01:39.28 | NamShub | pilgrimjk: wasnt openprojects replaced by freenode 1 or 2 years ago? |
| 01:39.43 | Marctraider | i better use --nodeps otherwise it wants to install 3.2 again |
| 01:39.59 | pilgrimjk | NamShub: maybe so...if that's true, usability.kde.org is WAY out of date ;) |
| 01:40.11 | Marctraider | sarah03, thanks sara, useful information :) |
| 01:40.17 | pilgrimjk | NamShub: and no one is on #kde-usability on freenode |
| 01:40.20 | NamShub | in any case there is no such channel on freenode :) |
| 01:40.29 | burn | no kde gamers in here? |
| 01:40.53 | sarah03 | Hm, if all that's in the 3.2 directory is the i18n... *shrug* It could work. |
| 01:41.00 | Marctraider | yueah |
| 01:41.16 | sarah03 | (I'm not about to go rebuilding KDE to get 3.3 right now. Not after waiting 2 days for it to build.) |
| 01:41.57 | Marctraider | sarah03, if i rename the ebuild it will look on the ftp's for 3.3.3 |
| 01:41.57 | Marctraider | lol |
| 01:42.04 | Marctraider | i'd better just cp from 3.2 ddir |
| 01:42.12 | NamShub | anyone got skype working under linux (debian?) |
| 01:42.17 | NamShub | it seems to totally ignore arts |
| 01:42.34 | sarah03 | Like I said, I wasn't sure if the kde-i18n packages existed for 3.3.0_beta1 yet... but I figured it couldn't hurt to give it a shot. |
| 01:42.59 | Marctraider | ;) |
| 01:43.19 | pilgrimjk | NamShub: I got it installed, and it worked until I found out that it was P2P ;) |
| 01:43.28 | pilgrimjk | NamShub: that's under Gentoo Linux, though |
| 01:43.49 | NamShub | pilgrimjk: how? |
| 01:44.05 | NamShub | the mic is working properly, but the other end couldnt hear anything |
| 01:44.16 | NamShub | pilgrimjk: can I try talking to you? (PV your ID) |
| 01:44.38 | pilgrimjk | NamShub: ahh, I never got that far. I gave it up when I found out you couldn't call to land-line phones |
| 01:44.46 | NamShub | ok |
| 01:44.56 | NamShub | it will be a pay-for feature in the future I think |
| 01:45.39 | NamShub | skype is cool because its simple; but simple means NO option to set up sound system :( |
| 01:46.11 | pilgrimjk | yeah, the interface was nice |
| 01:46.29 | NamShub | too bad the linux version isnt up to the win version yet |
| 01:46.29 | Marctraider | ok |
| 01:46.31 | Marctraider | sarah03, it works! |
| 01:46.33 | sarah03 | Marctraider: Ah. The packages exist on the KDE mirrors, s/stable/unstable/ in the ebuild, and change the definition of 'MY_PV' from '${PV}' to '3.2.91' |
| 01:46.33 | NamShub | and that its non-free :( |
| 01:46.38 | sarah03 | That works too. |
| 01:46.39 | sarah03 | :) |
| 01:46.41 | Marctraider | but... |
| 01:46.50 | Marctraider | Some characters ar still blocks :S |
| 01:46.54 | Marctraider | I always have that :( |
| 01:47.04 | sarah03 | That sounds like fonts... |
| 01:47.07 | Marctraider | mhh |
| 01:47.11 | Marctraider | no way |
| 01:47.12 | Marctraider | i use Cursor |
| 01:47.14 | sarah03 | Can't say I've ever tried using KDE in any language other than english, so I don't know. |
| 01:47.21 | Marctraider | and it can do every letter from polish |
| 01:47.25 | Marctraider | :( |
| 01:47.39 | pilgrimjk | NamShub: yeah, it looked really cool at first, but having to have Skype (and a computer) on both ends just won't work for me |
| 01:48.00 | Marctraider | sarah03, i'll research some further |
| 01:48.09 | Marctraider | in the console my characters are displayed fine |
| 01:48.15 | NamShub | pilgrimjk: well it can actually be really cool. We use it at work to communicate with other studios (US, Romania, Asia...) |
| 01:48.33 | NamShub | Marctraider: then I'd definately say its your font |
| 01:48.51 | pilgrimjk | NamShub: is that a lot cheaper than a telephone call? |
| 01:48.52 | NamShub | what is your current font? |
| 01:48.54 | Marctraider | Cursor |
| 01:48.59 | NamShub | pilgrimjk: its free :P |
| 01:49.11 | NamShub | Marctraider: try with Bitstream Vera, just as a test :D |
| 01:49.14 | Marctraider | I use cursor also for GTK, and with gTK i dont have those blocks i believe |
| 01:49.17 | Marctraider | ok then |
| 01:49.17 | Marctraider | :) |
| 01:49.42 | NamShub | pilgrimjk: well, its bandwith, but not much, and BW is cheap |
| 01:49.51 | NamShub | cheaper than calling Beijing :D |
| 01:50.05 | pilgrimjk | NamShub: do you have any idea how much bandwidth it actually takes? I'm on a 256kbps connection |
| 01:50.25 | Marctraider | NamShub, indeed it is my font :( |
| 01:50.28 | NamShub | pilgrimjk: I heard its possible to have 1-on-1 connection on modem c |
| 01:50.36 | Marctraider | How can i set X to use a specific font only? |
| 01:51.04 | NamShub | Marctraider: so Bitstream works? |
| 01:51.21 | Marctraider | no |
| 01:51.27 | Marctraider | but for example Luxi's work |
| 01:51.27 | Marctraider | ;) |
| 01:51.31 | NamShub | ok |
| 01:51.38 | Marctraider | I prefer Luxi sans then |
| 01:52.30 | NamShub | err maybe just setting up the correct locale would work../ |
| 01:52.31 | NamShub | ? |
| 01:52.42 | Marctraider | mhhh |
| 01:52.55 | NamShub | and probably recompiling bunch of stuff :P |
| 01:53.05 | Marctraider | how to set locale? |
| 01:53.35 | NamShub | errrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 01:53.38 | NamShub | rc.d? |
| 01:53.38 | Marctraider | heh |
| 01:53.46 | Marctraider | /etc/rc.conf? |
| 01:53.50 | NamShub | yea? |
| 01:53.53 | NamShub | I dunno |
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| 01:54.05 | ama | i have this kde issue |
| 01:54.13 | ama | i cant figure out how to load a browser plugin |
| 01:54.32 | Marctraider | well we dont need to recompile everything in gentoo to get new language, if i put export LC_ALL="pl_PL" most programs will be polski, i never seen one without polski, lol exept for hdparm |
| 01:54.50 | NamShub | what plugin ama? |
| 01:55.13 | NamShub | Marctraider: I was kidding :P However Im afraid I cant help more |
| 01:55.30 | NamShub | Marctraider: I remember having the exact same problem with french accent with gentoo a while ago |
| 01:55.39 | Marctraider | ah |
| 01:55.40 | Marctraider | ok :) |
| 01:55.46 | Marctraider | well i solved my problem anyhow |
| 01:55.47 | Marctraider | thanks |
| 01:55.51 | NamShub | heh |
| 01:56.12 | ama | flash |
| 01:56.36 | ama | whats polski? |
| 01:56.39 | NamShub | ama: distro? |
| 01:56.51 | ama | can anyone walk me through it |
| 01:56.54 | ama | i go into konqueror |
| 01:56.57 | ama | and configure konqueror |
| 01:57.00 | ama | and i dont see plugins :( |
| 01:57.05 | NamShub | ama: distro? |
| 01:57.11 | Marctraider | ama: polski = polish |
| 01:57.12 | Marctraider | ;) |
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| 01:57.20 | Marctraider | I am not polish but i'm gonna learn it man |
| 01:57.21 | Marctraider | ;) |
| 01:57.34 | Marctraider | By using polski linux i'm already on my way;) |
| 01:57.51 | NamShub | offtopic but do you know of a tool to learn chinese on linux? |
| 01:57.57 | NamShub | (i know there are tools for japanese...) |
| 01:58.06 | Marctraider | well serach the forums |
| 01:58.08 | Marctraider | maybe |
| 01:58.09 | Marctraider | dunno |
| 01:58.11 | Marctraider | probably yes |
| 01:58.40 | ama | am i still here? |
| 01:58.42 | ama | im lagging a tonn |
| 01:58.57 | ama | gentoo |
| 01:58.59 | Marctraider | lol |
| 01:59.03 | ama | i have motif support in |
| 01:59.13 | NamShub | [CTCP] Received CTCP-PING reply from ama: 1 seconds |
| 01:59.56 | ama | well i was lagging |
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| 02:00.26 | ama | i am not crazy |
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| 02:01.22 | TobiasTheCommie | could someone confirm a bug for me? it will take max 20s |
| 02:01.28 | TobiasTheCommie | +load time of konqueror |
| 02:01.40 | Marctraider | mhhh |
| 02:01.48 | Marctraider | What bug? |
| 02:01.57 | pvert | hello, whenever i click on icons Konqueror crashes and i cant view anyfiles or use the system, anyone know how i can find out whats causing this? (Gentoo 2.6.7-r11, kde3.2.2) |
| 02:02.00 | TobiasTheCommie | i couldnt' find it in the bug tracker |
| 02:02.18 | TobiasTheCommie | but if i close tabs in konqueror(kde 3.3_beta1) too fast, it crashes |
| 02:02.35 | TobiasTheCommie | if i wait about 1s between closing each tab, there is no problem |
| 02:02.41 | TobiasTheCommie | but if i do it faster, it crashes |
| 02:02.54 | TobiasTheCommie | note: the 1s is just to show a delay |
| 02:03.05 | TobiasTheCommie | wsan't in 3.2.x |
| 02:03.08 | TobiasTheCommie | wasn't |
| 02:03.26 | ama | pvert: i have had the same problem |
| 02:03.32 | ama | are you using gcc 3.4.1? |
| 02:04.53 | pvert | hmm console screen just went garbled |
| 02:04.55 | pvert | sec |
| 02:05.31 | Marctraider | mhh i have a problem :( |
| 02:05.39 | Marctraider | i cannot open webpages anymore |
| 02:05.44 | Marctraider | with konqueror |
| 02:05.55 | Marctraider | if i press enter, it doesnt do anything |
| 02:06.36 | ama | seriously i cant find the plugin menu |
| 02:06.38 | pvert | ama im using 3.3.3 |
| 02:06.50 | pvert | its the one listen in gentoo portage |
| 02:06.53 | pvert | listed |
| 02:06.57 | ama | i had an issue with it with gcc 3.4.1 |
| 02:07.14 | ama | i think what fixed it is that kdelibs and kdebase should be compiled with the same compiler |
| 02:07.19 | ama | i turned off optimizations too |
| 02:07.24 | ama | for kdelibs |
| 02:07.33 | ama | kdelibs didnt compile with arts compiled with gcc 3.4.1 |
| 02:07.53 | ama | so i compiled arts with 3.3.3 |
| 02:08.20 | ama | i am using gcc 3.3.3r6 |
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| 02:11.06 | ama | this is killing me |
| 02:11.17 | ama | am i lagging |
| 02:11.19 | ama | ? |
| 02:11.25 | pvert | no |
| 02:11.39 | ama | i cant find how to insert a plugin with kde |
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| 02:18.26 | ama | does anyone have a flash plugin for konqueror installed?' |
| 02:18.46 | Duelist | ama: For which OS? |
| 02:19.08 | Duelist | GNU/Linux on i386 will be easy, anything else will probably be a pain in the %&$*#^ |
| 02:19.48 | ama | gnu/linux |
| 02:19.54 | ama | can you tell me how you did it? |
| 02:20.06 | pvert | is there some sort of kde configuration i have to run before typing kdm? |
| 02:20.08 | ama | like in what menu did you load it in |
| 02:20.14 | Duelist | I was running Red Hat 7.3 (later 9) and it came pre-installed I think |
| 02:20.14 | ama | nope |
| 02:20.18 | Duelist | But, I don't do Flash anymore |
| 02:20.41 | Duelist | The first thing I do now, is "locate libflashplayer.so" and then point rm at it |
| 02:20.55 | ama | y? |
| 02:21.55 | Duelist | ama: Huh>? |
| 02:22.53 | ama | why do you rm it? |
| 02:23.19 | Duelist | Because Flash sucks and makes it hard for me to read pages because stuff is moving all over the place half the time |
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| 02:23.48 | Duelist | Also, it's proprietary, so much so that Macromedia is trying to pass it off as an "Open Internet Standard" |
| 02:23.53 | Duelist | Which is a blatant lie |
| 02:24.14 | ama | i see |
| 02:24.22 | Duelist | Macromedia is probably #2 worst closed-source bitbarf producer behind Microsoft |
| 02:25.01 | ama | ok |
| 02:25.36 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 02:25.43 | ama | thing is i distinctly remember plugins |
| 02:25.45 | ama | its not there |
| 02:25.54 | Dhraakellian | I don't mind a little Flash here and there |
| 02:26.04 | Dhraakellian | but I do like the Flashblock extension |
| 02:26.46 | ama | god i hate that |
| 02:26.54 | ama | i dont think its there |
| 02:27.23 | Dhraakellian | Flash click-to-view |
| 02:28.25 | Duelist | Of course Flash support on FreeBSD stinks |
| 02:28.41 | Duelist | I could use the GNU/Linux plugin I think but it's too much trouble for something I despise |
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| 02:30.29 | ama | i hate this |
| 02:30.32 | ama | i cant find it |
| 02:30.36 | ama | i dont think its there |
| 02:30.38 | pvert | heh i cant even get kde to work |
| 02:30.39 | ama | what more can i do? |
| 02:30.59 | ama | pvert: i had the same issues, but it is fine now |
| 02:31.09 | pvert | this is a fresh install |
| 02:31.12 | pvert | compiled with 3.3.3 |
| 02:31.13 | ama | just recompiled with less agressive use flags |
| 02:31.25 | pvert | gentoo handles comilation on its own |
| 02:31.34 | ama | nah |
| 02:31.39 | Dhraakellian | is everyone in here tonight a Gentoo user? |
| 02:31.42 | ama | actually it does for most applications |
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| 02:31.53 | ama | but for kde it will use your cflags in make.conf |
| 02:32.50 | pvert | argg im gonna try a reinstall with different use settings |
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| 02:33.02 | pvert | and barely anything in the c settings |
| 02:33.10 | pvert | if it doesnt work i will cry |
| 02:33.43 | ama | i think i removed the fomit frame pointer |
| 02:34.00 | pvert | well ihave -march=pentium4 -pipe and the fomit frame pointer |
| 02:34.13 | ama | exactly what i have |
| 02:34.27 | ama | i would remove them |
| 02:34.31 | pvert | yeah |
| 02:34.34 | ama | i dont get any significant performance gain anyway |
| 02:34.44 | pvert | MAYBE the pentium4 is messing it up since its a laptop, but still uses pentium4 cpu |
| 02:35.05 | ama | i removed everything |
| 02:35.12 | ama | O3 and O2 |
| 02:35.26 | pvert | its ok to change those later right? |
| 02:35.53 | ama | yeah |
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| 02:52.09 | Marios_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.32 | thiago | you would be writing a GTK program, not a KDE one |
| 02:53.14 | Marios_ | well I wanna write a program for KDE...however I don't know QT but I know GTK+ ...is it going to work on KDE ? |
| 02:53.46 | thiago | of course |
| 02:54.00 | thiago | if your program works, it works anywhere |
| 02:54.26 | ama | indeed, but it will not use the kdelibs requires for a program that integrates nicely into kde |
| 02:54.32 | Dhraakellian | I use xchat and Mozilla Firefox all the time |
| 02:54.43 | thiago | there you go |
| 02:54.47 | Dhraakellian | hmm... |
| 02:54.50 | ama | i use konversation and konqueror :( |
| 02:54.53 | thiago | though I can't fathom why one would use xchat :) |
| 02:55.22 | Dhraakellian | konversation has some nice features and is coming along, but I think I'll stick with xchat for the time being |
| 02:55.22 | Marios_ | does anyone have documentation how QT works? not how to learn it |
| 02:55.34 | ama | theres too much duplication in open source and free software |
| 02:55.46 | ama | just the notion that i say foss, is another duplication |
| 02:56.03 | thiago | Marios_: doc.trolltech.com |
| 02:56.07 | ama | i have no clue how qt works, but one of the features of c++ is encapsulation |
| 02:56.10 | Marios_ | thiago: thanx |
| 02:56.24 | Dhraakellian | but yeah, would it be theoretically possible to use kdelibs, but not Qt? |
| 02:56.42 | ama | dunno |
| 02:56.49 | ama | i think they have a gtkqt project or something |
| 02:56.55 | Marios_ | so just to know...what QT uses to design interfaces in Windows for example? does it use Win32 C libraries? |
| 02:57.56 | thiago | btw, Qt, not QT |
| 02:58.00 | Marios_ | sorry |
| 02:58.01 | thiago | QT = Apple QuickTime |
| 02:58.43 | ama | qt on windows would use windows 32 libraries |
| 02:59.04 | ama | but on *nix systems, it uses x or it can use framebuffer |
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| 03:00.08 | Dhraakellian | hmm... |
| 03:00.10 | Marios_ | I see |
| 03:00.23 | Dhraakellian | I think I remember seeing something about an ascii engine for GTK |
| 03:00.39 | Dhraakellian | just out of totally random curiosity, is there any such thing for Qt? |
| 03:01.48 | thiago | not that I know of |
| 03:02.01 | Marios_ | so can I run Qt GUIs just in the console since it doesn't require X ? |
| 03:02.29 | thiago | let me rephrase: |
| 03:02.43 | thiago | there is Qt/X11 and there is Qt/framebuffer |
| 03:02.51 | ama | Marios_: eventually |
| 03:02.57 | thiago | your application could be built with either, but that's not the same executable |
| 03:02.58 | ama | or you can now |
| 03:03.16 | ama | but in qt 4 there will be greater seperation between ui code and regular qt |
| 03:03.49 | ama | neither am i, i am not a developer but i pretend i am :\ |
| 03:03.59 | Marios_ | tiago: ok I understand that ...my question is...I have just installed a brand new Gentoo System without any Windowing System .... can I make GUIs here using Qt ? |
| 03:04.20 | ama | do you have frame buffer? |
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| 03:04.36 | Marios_ | well actually I don't know... |
| 03:04.44 | Marios_ | how can I find out ? |
| 03:04.52 | ama | /dev/fb/0 should be working |
| 03:05.03 | ama | fbset -fb /dev/fb/0 -s maybe |
| 03:05.25 | Marios_ | I don't have the system right here to try... |
| 03:05.38 | Marios_ | is there doumentation for framebuffer....to get an idea |
| 03:05.47 | ama | nope |
| 03:06.04 | Marios_ | hmm |
| 03:06.05 | ama | !google qt + embedded |
| 03:06.13 | Marios_ | ok |
| 03:06.22 | threeseas | all you need to know about Uis --- join #ui .....:) |
| 03:06.27 | ama | i have seen little frame buffer documentation, i dont even know what it is |
| 03:06.38 | ama | i know i can have sharp resolutions and preety pictures |
| 03:06.51 | ama | i think it provides a generic interface to your graphics card frame buffer |
| 03:06.57 | ama | not sure though |
| 03:08.12 | ama | http://www.akcaagac.com/index_goneme.html] |
| 03:08.22 | ama | small fork of gnome, sorta |
| 03:08.31 | Marios_ | how to check if my video card supports framebuffer ? |
| 03:08.59 | ama | dunno |
| 03:09.03 | ama | its in kernel config |
| 03:09.11 | ama | you usually specify some obscure number in your vga= |
| 03:09.21 | Marios_ | I see |
| 03:09.25 | ama | those numbers dont work for me though, atleast not anymore |
| 03:09.29 | ama | they did work |
| 03:09.46 | ama | just recently i just randomly guess a number 832 and it worked out good |
| 03:11.51 | Marios_ | what is this number mean ? |
| 03:12.46 | ama | i have no clue |
| 03:12.59 | ama | its suppose to be a value that corresponds to your resolution and color depth |
| 03:13.07 | ama | but i guessed mine |
| 03:13.57 | Marios_ | I see |
| 03:14.06 | Marios_ | and what is the actual use of framebuffer? |
| 03:15.23 | ama | like say i boot my computer |
| 03:15.33 | ama | i can have a big clunky black and white console with bad colors |
| 03:15.46 | ama | or i can have a back ground, transperency, and higher resolution |
| 03:15.50 | ama | the 2nd is frame buffer |
| 03:15.54 | ama | in action |
| 03:15.57 | Marios_ | I see |
| 03:16.14 | Marios_ | so without framebuffer I can't change the colors right ? |
| 03:17.27 | ama | no |
| 03:17.29 | ama | you can |
| 03:17.35 | ama | its just not preety |
| 03:17.45 | ama | we can make things preetier with the use of frame buffer technology |
| 03:17.56 | Marios_ | I see |
| 03:18.11 | Marios_ | so how to change colors without framebuffer? |
| 03:18.57 | ama | i dunno |
| 03:19.00 | ama | actually i may |
| 03:19.17 | ama | what do you mean like change colors, like the directory colors like in ls --color? |
| 03:20.17 | Marios_ | yeah |
| 03:20.40 | Marios_ | probably bash is responsible |
| 03:20.52 | ama | there should be a file |
| 03:20.58 | ama | in /etc/DIR_COLORS |
| 03:20.59 | ama | i think |
| 03:21.05 | Marios_ | I think there are some codes to use when we write scriptsa |
| 03:21.12 | Marios_ | let me check |
| 03:21.15 | ama | yep there is |
| 03:24.34 | Marios_ | cool |
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| 05:00.41 | Dracarys | startkde doesn't work :P |
| 05:00.59 | Dracarys | kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server |
| 05:01.34 | mzkb | you must add exec startkde to .xsession and run startx not startkde |
| 05:02.09 | Dracarys | :P |
| 05:02.10 | Dracarys | ok |
| 05:02.15 | Dracarys | works thankies |
| 05:02.23 | mzkb | no problem. |
| 05:02.26 | Dracarys | wait |
| 05:02.27 | Dracarys | nvm |
| 05:02.31 | Dracarys | it just starts gdm :( |
| 05:02.42 | mzkb | startkde ? |
| 05:02.49 | mzkb | startx ? |
| 05:03.01 | Dracarys | nvmnvm |
| 05:03.03 | Dracarys | lol |
| 05:03.05 | Dracarys | it's in vt8 |
| 05:03.15 | mzkb | heh :) |
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| 05:27.46 | toyowheelin | dose anyone know of a gui version of scp? |
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| 05:34.31 | litage_ | in konqueror, you can browse to an ftp site by going to ftp://user:pwd@domain.com ...but what do you do if the username contains an '@' symbol? |
| 05:38.22 | mzkb | he would use fish:// also |
| 05:38.44 | mzkb | err |
| 05:38.59 | mzkb | sorry |
| 05:39.22 | mzkb | litage_: did you try using \@ sequence ? |
| 05:40.05 | mzkb | i don't know if username can contain '@' symbol |
| 05:42.19 | litage_ | mzkb: when i try \@ and hit enter, konq just clears the address and puts me back at ./ |
| 05:42.42 | litage_ | mzkb: you can have an '@' in the username, because i can login with a real ftp prog, but not konq |
| 05:43.13 | mzkb | hmm |
| 05:45.04 | mzkb | what about ftp://host and then filling query form with your username ? |
| 05:50.21 | litage_ | mzkb: nope, doesn't work. that logs me in as anonymous |
| 05:50.38 | litage_ | (using ftp://host?username=a@b.c ) |
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| 06:19.07 | willix | how do I debug kde? |
| 06:19.24 | willix | kmail, just refuses to sent email, no matter what I try |
| 06:19.59 | willix | I am using kmail 1.6.2 |
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