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01:07.03abydosPhantomsdad is rather a fanboy.
01:08.01annmahow come?
01:08.21abydos<-- PhantomsDad (~gary@pcp08705563pcs.gambrl01.md.comcast.net) has left #kde ("KDE Rules!"
01:08.57annma;)
01:09.08annmahe is a contributor as well
01:09.15abydosReally?
01:09.27abydosMoney, or code?
01:10.30annmacode and doc
01:11.13abydosooh.
01:11.27abydosSounds a lot like a fanboy, though.
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02:21.25chealerHi, in KPackage I don't find how to read the ChangeLog BEFORE I upgrade. am I missing something?
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02:22.45bjohnsonI upgraded from fedora 1 to fedora 2 and now am having freezeups when logging in.  It seems to happens during (or right after the initiallizing perpherals icon flashes on the kde login splash screen
02:22.49bjohnsonany ideas?
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02:34.55Poprocksanyone here use KMess?
02:40.46KarlosIIkde is dumb.....when i delete stuff it doesn't put it in the trash bin
02:41.51NamShubby default, pressing "del" DOES move to trash
02:44.16KarlosIInam really then why deosn't it on my reiserfs partition
02:48.38ChazWhats the task-manager-like-app that KDE has? I know I saw one once..
02:50.59bjohnsonwhat logs can tell me what is happening during my kde login .. I need to figure out why it is freezing
02:55.15PoprocksKarlosII: if you right click on an icon, and press "delete" then it doesn't move to trash
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02:55.32PoprocksKarlosII: you have to right click & choose "move to trash"
02:56.07KarlosIIPop hmm I need to modify that delet button then
02:57.10SuperLagany of you guys using xorg-x11?
02:57.23SuperLagpardon me... the X.org server?
02:57.27Poprockspfft
02:57.32PoprocksI use XFree86 4.4.0.
02:57.36PoprocksThere's 0 reason not to
02:58.54PoprocksKarlosII: can't you just hit "move to trash" or use the del key?
02:59.22KarlosIIPoprocks I need to accoutn for accidents
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03:00.20Poprocksthe trash is annoying anywa
03:00.26PoprocksI usually just delete files
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03:09.43kendrickis there an IRC channel for kde-artist(s)?
03:10.23thiagonot that I know of. Try /list.
03:10.55kendrickhrm... nah :^/
03:11.13kendrickunless you happen to know about KDE icon standards ;)
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03:27.29SuperLagI've got KDE on two machines, both running the X.org X-server.  the desktop has a very clean look to the fonts.  the aliasing looks like it should.... but the laptop doesn't look right, and I can't figure out what's wrong
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03:29.20bjohnsondoesn't look right?  Mine freezes on login ..
03:32.34SuperLagbjohnson: yep.  www.linuxlooney.com/not_good.png is how the laptop looks.  www.linuxlooney.com/good.png is how the desktop looks.
03:34.37ghthat comes from one font group being bold, while the other is not
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04:20.24bekkshello everyone
04:20.43bekkssomeone please can answer me a quick question?
04:21.12bekkswhat's the name of the program that hides behind the system tray icon allowing to change display settings?
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04:40.34bekkswhat's the name of the program that hides behind the system tray icon allowing to change display settings?
04:40.55bekksit seems i cannot use it when I'm using two separate desktops
04:44.30bekksno one here knowing or willing to answer?
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05:06.58tecnicohello. Anybody knows of a "bookmark manager" plugin for konqueror that would let me rename the bookmark name, and also would let me save the bookmark in a particular bookmark folder ? ( I have other computer with this kind of plugin, I like it a lot, but I can't remember the name of the package to install...)
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05:11.23palomerhello
05:11.33palomeris it possible to export your e-mail in kmail?
05:11.51tecnicoexport it to where?
05:11.56palomererm
05:12.00palomerto bakup your inbox
05:12.34tecnicoI have my kmail setup to use "mbox" files, this file is compatible across several e-mail clients, I'm not sure about erm
05:12.47tecnicoso, you would just copy the file
05:12.56palomerthats very cool
05:13.04palomerwhat does mozmail use?
05:13.45tecnico:( not sure... I know the old netscape use to use this type, pine does too, evolution does as well
05:14.12palomerim debating between evolution and kmail
05:14.49tecnicome too.. I've use evoltion for a while now.. but Kmail has come a long way.. I like it 'cause it integrates with everything in KDE
05:14.59tecnicoI'm giving it a try
05:15.01palomeri dont care much about integration
05:15.19palomerwhat dont u like about evolution?
05:15.22tecnicoI haven't had much troubles with Kmail so far..
05:15.33tecnicoI like everything about evolution.. no complains
05:16.29palomeris it easy to setup a spam filter with kmail?
05:16.32palomeriwth evolution?
05:16.50tecnicoit's easy with both... very similar
05:16.54palomercan both tell me when i get new mail?
05:17.09tecnicoyes.. I put a sound file
05:17.19bipolarKmail will work fine as long as you are not using IIMAP
05:17.27bipolarIMAP filters do not work
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05:17.50tecnicokmail however, also sits in my taskbar.. and pops-up a message telling me that there is mail.. it also shows how many new mails I have
05:17.51palomerthat sucks
05:17.55palomerfor both evolution and kmail?
05:18.11bipolarThe filters can't move mails in imap folders. Evolution works fine.
05:18.40palomerso i cant filter IMAP accounts
05:18.42tecnicoI've just used POP so far.. I didn't know that IMAP filters didn't work
05:18.44bipolarI put the spam filter on my mail server and use sieve filters on the server so I don't need that any more
05:18.51palomerbut IMAP accounts otherwise work?
05:18.57bipolaryeah
05:19.15bipolarIt's just the filters. You cant filter on incoming imap mail
05:19.16palomerwhat about as a personal calendar, both work fine?
05:19.20bipolaryeah
05:19.29tecnicoyeah.. very nice calendar too
05:19.45bipolarI'd rather use kontact then evolution, personaly.
05:20.02bipolarmuch nicer to use and less CPU hungry
05:20.12tecnicoand although I haven't used the "group calendar" I think it is a pretty neat feature that evolution doesn't have by default
05:20.15tecnicokmail does
05:20.46tecnicoI use kontact too.. it brings everything together, like evolution (mail, news, rss feeds, calendar)
05:22.18palomerhrmm...
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05:22.44bipolarthe imap thing is supposed to be fixed for 3.3
05:23.06palomerhow easy would it be to create a command line script to add contact information or dates to my calendar?
05:23.20tecnicomaybe there is a DCOP interface.. ?
05:23.25palomeror does one already exist?
05:23.28bipolarit's easier then that
05:23.42bipolarI have not worked with it, but there is a command line proc for it
05:24.21tecnicocan you do it with evoltion ?
05:24.34palomercommand line proc for which?
05:27.38bipolarthere is a command line proc for working with korg. Importing ical files and adding items, etc.
05:27.44bipolarI'm looking for it noe
05:27.46bipolarnow
05:30.57tecnicokonsolekalendar ?? korganizerIn ?? these?
05:31.11tecnicokonsolekalendar --add --date 2003-06-04 --time 10:00 --end-time 12:00 \
05:31.11tecnico<PROTECTED>
05:31.23tecnicofrom: $konsolekalendar --help
05:31.55bipolarI think thats it, yeah
05:32.12palomeryou cant add contacts eh
05:33.54bipolarpalomer: I think you can if you have them in vcard format or something. I'm too busy to figgure it out atm.
05:34.14tecnicokaddressbook URL(of vcard)
05:34.23palomercan i have my calendar and contacts stored remotely?
05:34.25tecnicokaddressbook --help
05:34.39tecnicoNFS ?
05:34.45tecnicoSSH ?
05:34.59tecnicosamba?
05:35.10palomerkalendr will accept ssh://foo/bar ?
05:35.33tecnicoI know konqueror does with the "fish" plugin
05:36.05palomertrolltech should implement it across the board
05:36.29tecnicomaybe it is.. I've only used the feature in konqueror.. try it..
05:36.53tecnicothat didn't come from trolltech.. the "fish" plugin started separate..
05:37.04tecnicoas far as I know
05:37.39palomeryeah, but trolltech SHOULD implement it
05:37.45tecnicotell them
05:37.52palomernot owned!
05:37.59bipolarkorg can use any of those, I think. including webdav
05:38.08bipolarI know webdav works
05:38.12palomerwebdav?
05:38.19bipolaryeah.
05:38.45palomerwhats that?
05:39.01bipolarI'm waiting for Plone to get ical parsing and group calendaring so I can use it as my server for korg :)
05:39.36bipolarpalomer: it's file storage and versioning over http. Like MS webfolders is MS's bastardized version.
05:39.58bipolarI gotta go to bed. It's 1:30am here. :p
05:40.07tecnicogood night.
05:40.12palomerohmy, ie just crashed
05:40.18palomerit wasn't even open!
05:41.55palomerhah! a week after I buy my laptop, it goes up 300$ in price
05:42.19tecnicowhat laptop is it ?
05:42.27palomersystemax
05:42.38tecnicohaven't heard of..
05:42.45palomerbig in europe
05:42.47ghheh
05:42.49palomerits really sweet
05:43.09tecnicoI bough an IBM not too long ago.. it's really nice
05:43.12palomerit was listed for 1000$ a week ago, a crummier model is going for 1300 right now
05:43.23palomernote, this is canadian dollars
05:43.37palomeractually, its going for 1450$
05:45.00palomerpfft, this is great:D
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06:13.19robinpany news on when dot.kde.org and the kde wiki will be back up /
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06:16.17RoundQubehello all
06:16.33RoundQubehow can I change the refresh rate? i having some weird wobbling at whatever rate im at now. Is there some utility in KDE that allows you do change it?
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06:31.17chimaerai have a problem regarding kicker and applets: any now and then, i can't add applets anymore: the handles are shown, but the applets aren't. the old applets are working without problems. if i delete kickerrc, everythings back to normal again. any ideas which entry may cause this?
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06:43.02johanhey
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07:04.31johani could i create shortcut for matlab
07:06.00johani got a link in /usr/local/bin/matlab
07:06.05johanthe link dont work
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07:16.35BraddersIs there any biometric support for XDM/KDM/GDM?
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08:25.29ruschiI can't use a displaymanager like KDM or GDM, they mess up the fonts in my KDE session completely. all fonts are really tiny in konsole the letters are wider than high.
08:25.42ruschibut if I start the session with XDM or just form a TTY with startx everything is fine
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08:26.51ChrisWwhassup with http://dot.kde.org?
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08:32.23Worfand what's the matter with anoncvs.kde.org ?
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08:34.50alesanhi
08:35.07alesanI have problems accessing kde cvs (for the kdeedu module)
08:35.19alesanis there something wrong or is it my fault?
08:35.49Worfalesan: just asked the same a minute ago...
08:36.08Worf... i assume there is trouble with  anoncvs.kde.org
08:36.16alesanWorf, I have this problem since at least yesterday night
08:37.08alesanmh... also the website at dot.kde.org seems unresponsive...
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08:40.37Worfother cvs servers do work...
08:41.20alesan:(
08:41.31alesanI have to checkout kstars cvs...
08:41.40alesanis there another cvs server I can use for this?
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08:42.41Worf... gah, i don't want to change all my scripts and cvs archives...
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08:57.43Marcus101Good mornin
08:58.03Marcus101Are there people here using kde 3.2.2 ? (guess yes)
08:58.23andersHello Marcus101
08:58.33Marcus101Hi anders :)
08:58.45Marcus101ok I'll ignore you :D
08:58.51andersLol
08:59.30Marcus101well maybe tough, can you try playing a film (avi, mpeg etc) in noatun/kaboodle, and click on the fullscreen button?
08:59.45Marcus101and see what it does
09:01.19WorfMarcus101: (K)Mplayer is for playing films! :-)
09:01.50Marcus101well ok, but got used to kaboodle, and now upgraded kde, and fullscreen doesn't work anymore
09:01.56andersIm usually using mplayer
09:02.01andersKmplayer, even
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09:02.23Marcus101and also, it was nice to just check what video it is, just previewing in kaboodle
09:02.57Marcus101I use gxine usually
09:04.55andersHm, noatun wont even play videos here right now
09:05.57Marcus101also, is there a way of playing audio cds with KsCD, because it shows me the song titles, the playbar moves, but no sound comes... The only way of playing a cd right now is through xmms...
09:06.45WorfMarcus101: you sure you don't have your mixer muted and you have a audio cable connected to your cdrom?
09:06.55Marcus101I don't have a audio cable
09:06.55andersMarcus101: In kscd settings, make sure it points to the correct device
09:07.00dbgltkaffeine kills konqueror
09:07.02dbgltwhen you embed it
09:07.04dbglt:0
09:07.11dbgltkmplayer i just never liked
09:07.32Marcus101No that's the point, I don't have a cable, though windows works fine, and xmms aswell
09:08.08Worfwell - propably you have set xmms and that other thing you mentionend to rip the cd and play it then
09:08.18Marcus101uh, just a sec
09:08.29Marcus101lol "that other thing" ;)
09:09.16dbgltxmms and windows do digital audio
09:09.22dbgltyou have to specify in xmms
09:09.26dbgltwindows handles it automatically
09:09.32Marcus101yes that's it
09:09.36Marcus101digital extraction
09:10.00Marcus101would be nice if kaboodle/noatun/kscd etc would handle that too
09:10.11dbgltnot sure if it is supported under kscd or any kde apps
09:10.45Marcus101it isn't... checkes preferences etc
09:10.46Worfhmm - can you play from the audiocd ioslave?
09:10.53Marcus101well, wishlist...
09:11.01Marcus101from the what ? :/
09:11.08dbgltin konqueror :0
09:11.14Worfkonqueror -> services -> audiocd
09:11.19Worf( i think )
09:11.25Worfbecause that does rip the cd
09:11.27dbgltpress f9 in a konqueror window to bring up the side bar
09:11.32dbgltand go to audiocd
09:11.34Worfi just don't know if you can play directly from that
09:11.35Marcus101ok
09:11.38dbgltaudio cd browser
09:11.48dbgltyeah, i actually havent used that for playing music
09:11.52dbgltnot sure if it does
09:11.58Worfneither have i
09:12.10Worfi rip all cds i get into my hand
09:12.11Marcus101not even dispalys the tracks
09:12.24dbgltpirate! :p
09:12.40Worfdbglt: there speaks the saint...
09:12.57dbgltyou thief!
09:13.08dbgltyou are lower than low! worse than a pedophile!
09:13.12dbglta pirate
09:13.12dbgltarrrr
09:13.18Marcus101well no that audiocd doesnt read the cd at all
09:13.23Marcus101at least doesn't look like
09:13.34dbgltMarcus101: set up the correct device in konqueror settings
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09:15.56Marcus101lol won't give mp3 heh, only ogg
09:16.02Marcus101well at least worked, thanks
09:16.19Marcus101can you change it so it creates mp3 files ?
09:16.30Marcus101(coz my mp3 player won't read ogg)
09:18.22Worfit can rip directly to wav, ogg and mp3
09:18.31Worfbut you need the backends installed ( lame, ...)
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09:19.47Worfi think
09:20.04Worf( or was it liblame? )
09:21.18Trisk[awaay]lame has a library called libmp3lame
09:21.31Trisk[awaay]but you'd download lame to get it...
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09:31.31elwo0dhi all
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09:47.49rzeiis there a kde alternative to gphoto, i need ptp support?
09:48.20Trisk[awaay]kde uses gphoto libs
09:48.58rzeioh
09:49.10alesanany news about kdeedu cvs? it seems still down...
09:49.14Trisk[awaay]so there isn't an alternative unless you mean just a camera utility
09:49.40Marcus101hey, got a basic question...
09:50.09rzeiTrisk[awaay]: well actually i just need the ptp support, for some reason using the camera as massstorage isn't working out
09:50.09Trisk[awaay]alesan: kdeedu is in a separate repository from the rest of kde?
09:50.37Marcus101If I have a .src.rpm file, the soucres are integrated... So if I change something in the source, and rebuild the rpm, I'll have those changes integrated ?
09:50.42alesanTrisk[awaay], I do not know for sure - what I can say is that I can't cvs update the kdeedu module :)
09:51.00alesanCVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.kde.org:/home/kde
09:51.34Trisk[awaay]try a mirror
09:51.47alesanTrisk[awaay], are there cvs' mirrors?
09:51.55alesanwhere do I find them?
09:52.15Trisk[awaay]alesan: www.kde.org/anoncvs.html or something
09:52.29Trisk[awaay]rzei: don't know much about ptp, but looks like gphoto can handle it?
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09:52.42damjanI have a strange problem with KDE-3.2 ... Some (random) time after I log in (with Kdm), the monitor will go to dpms off mode, allthough I'm working on the computer at the time
09:53.33damjan... the next click on the mouse and I continue to work... it never happens again unless I log-out, and log-in again
09:54.16Trisk[awaay]damjan: are you sure it's kde related?
09:54.17damjanThe strange thing is, it happens with both x.org and xfree86, kernel 2.4 and 2.6
09:54.26Trisk[awaay]hm
09:54.33damjanon completelly different computers
09:54.52damjanTrisk[awaay]: it never happens in openbox for ex.
09:55.33rzeiTrisk[awaay]: yes it seems like that
09:55.46rzeiTrisk[awaay]: about the gphoto handling ptp
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10:04.06}{pertui have a problem getting kde
10:04.09}{pertu<ccr> will you go away and/or shut up, if I do?
10:04.12}{pertusorry
10:04.22}{pertuThe following packages have unmet dependencies:
10:04.22}{pertu<PROTECTED>
10:04.22}{pertu<PROTECTED>
10:04.22}{pertuE: Broken packages
10:04.28}{pertui get this error
10:04.35}{pertuwhat shoud i do about that?
10:04.47Trisk[awaay]}{pertu: try #debian
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10:04.59}{pertuhmm
10:05.01}{pertuk
10:05.09Trisk[awaay]damjan: you can check if kde is setting any dpms settings at all, and disable that...
10:05.09}{pertuthanks anyway
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10:06.22Trisk[awaay]}{pertu: presumably, you can try installing the "not going to be installed" packages first and see what's holding them up
10:07.40damjanTrisk[awaay]: I'll disable it ... but it seems there's a bug somewhere
10:08.05Trisk[awaay]yeah...
10:08.20}{pertuwhel il I try apt-get install kdebase i get the same errors to all packages
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10:21.52paolomhi all, i've a problem configuring date-time with kcontrol. it crashes just after typing root password. This happens with kde3.2 but also with 3.1.4  I'm running slackware 9.1 with kernel 2.6.6. thank you
10:24.29Marcus101uhmm, I have kde installed from rpms, and found a patch for noatun, but that patch is from sources... if I compile it, and install it, will it work ?
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10:41.39Titeuf_87hello, I've set up that when I middle click my desktop, it shows a list of all open windows
10:41.55Titeuf_87But can i do that it shows only the windows of the active desktop ?
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10:56.20symbiontbugs.kde.org down?
10:57.06tnfthe site works here
10:57.16symbiontugh
10:57.32Titeuf_87it works for me too
10:57.38symbiontlogin?
10:59.08symbiontconnection drops and doesn't service my login
10:59.14symbiontall other sites work
11:01.17symbiontanyone use LDAP for name completion in kmail?
11:02.35symbiontfound a bug and i was wondering if someone wants to confirm
11:04.42alesanhow do I get the list of supported DCOP calls in an application?
11:05.56symbiontdcop app
11:06.05symbiontfrom commandline
11:06.31alesandcop kstars
11:06.32alesanNo such application: 'kstars'
11:07.01alesanit doesn't work even with the full path to the executable
11:07.27alesanah let me start the app
11:07.57symbiontyeah
11:08.01symbiontyou need to start it
11:08.07symbiontso that the app registers with the dcop server
11:08.14alesandcop kstars-11732
11:08.24alesanvery curious name
11:08.25symbiontyep
11:08.27symbiontpid
11:08.36symbiontyou can have multiple kstars open
11:08.51symbiontdcop kstars-*
11:09.28symbionti wish bugs.kde.org wasn't so slow!
11:09.37symbionti think their disk is thrashing
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11:28.30Worfhmm - will 1GB be enough to build kdelibs?
11:30.09Trisk[awaay]I think so
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