| 00:01.48 | Peaker | You could delete the Makefiles.. :) I am in the process of trying to rid the world of MakefileS: ) |
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| 00:03.11 | amth | Hi, I get at login a signal 11 by KBuildSycoca during initializing, and all menus are unavailable (and kicker buttons that are menu links)... What has broken up? |
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| 00:07.39 | PeterJ | dissaffected |
| 00:07.43 | PeterJ | woopz |
| 00:07.46 | PeterJ | Sorry |
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| 00:10.42 | amth | kbuilsycoca -v = Qt: 3.2.3, KDE: 3.2.0 RC1, KBuildSycoca: 1.1... Other users are not effected, so maybe a locked runtime config file, but what?!? |
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| 00:13.48 | amth | Anything I can do on /var/tmp/kdecache-<user>/? |
| 00:14.33 | ecrivain | I want to make ~/Mail invisible ... that sort of thing |
| 00:14.59 | dehgenog | can I make the taskbar transparent? |
| 00:15.09 | dehgenog | it amkes the rest of the panel so ugly |
| 00:15.12 | ecrivain | Nautilus does this by simpley reading fiels listed in ./.hidden for each directory ... but I don't think it is a freedesktop.org standard |
| 00:15.23 | ironfroggy | how do i enable the "start new session" features? |
| 00:15.50 | ecrivain | so konqueror is not hiding the files |
| 00:16.18 | anders | ecrivain: Hidden files are starting with a "." in unix/linux |
| 00:16.27 | ecrivain | anders: no |
| 00:16.30 | ecrivain | anders: not that |
| 00:16.34 | ecrivain | I mean hiding files |
| 00:16.39 | ecrivain | in konqueror |
| 00:16.39 | anders | ecrivain: And KMail will only look in ~/Mail |
| 00:16.43 | amth | Is something wrong if file /var/tmp/kdecache-<user>/ksycocastamp size is zero (0) bytes? |
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| 00:16.55 | anders | ecrivain: You can't |
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| 00:17.09 | anders | Fortunately |
| 00:17.32 | ecrivain | so list files in ./.hidden for each directory is not a freedesktop standard ? |
| 00:17.57 | anders | This is the kde channel |
| 00:18.10 | anders | Hi annma :) |
| 00:18.13 | ecrivain | konqueror is is showing things like "Mozilla.desktop" |
| 00:18.25 | annma | hi anders :) |
| 00:18.30 | ecrivain | etc |
| 00:18.51 | anders | ecrivain: Konqueror is a file manager -- consequently, it displays all the files in a directlry |
| 00:19.10 | amth | So nobody knows what might be the prob with kbuilsycoca if it doesn't work on a one of the users only? |
| 00:19.47 | ecrivain | it doesn't show the .files unless you ask it to ... there should be a way to specify other files to be hidden from the default view unless "show hidden files" is called |
| 00:19.48 | SupIAmMike | kde3.2 respositor for yum or apt ??? |
| 00:20.01 | anders | amth: Possibly, there is some weird problem with some files in the users ~/.kde directory |
| 00:20.42 | amth | anders: Can seem to find anything that differs from other user ~/.kde dir... |
| 00:20.46 | anders | ecrivain: Files whose names starts with "." are hidden files in unix/linux. If you want to see them, check the view hidden files entry in the View menu |
| 00:20.59 | amth | anders: Can't :-) |
| 00:21.12 | anders | amth: Try using a different KDEHOME and see if it works then |
| 00:21.42 | anders | ecrivain: WHY??? |
| 00:21.46 | amth | anders: Doesn't that break all user configs? |
| 00:22.14 | anders | amth: Yes, but you could do it for testing reasons -- just rename the directory |
| 00:23.17 | anders | ecrivain: If you want a directory only displaying the users docuemnts, use the Documents folder feature, it will be the default for loading/saving files |
| 00:23.35 | anders | ecrivain: And also create a link to that on your desktop/menu |
| 00:23.52 | anders | ecrivain: And appreciate that your file manager shows your files |
| 00:24.06 | amth | anders: Still the same result (signal 11 while booting to kde). :-( |
| 00:24.23 | anders | ecrivain: Or alternatively use another de, if you want some weird features that may have. (<- period) |
| 00:24.42 | anders | amth: Mmmh, something in /tmp maybe? |
| 00:25.01 | ecrivain | oh well once it is accepted as a freedesktop.org standard KDE will have it |
| 00:25.02 | ecrivain | :-P |
| 00:25.33 | anders | That would be a ***horrible*** idea |
| 00:25.38 | ecrivain | no |
| 00:25.56 | amth | anders: Have been looking at /var/tmp/kdecache-<user> but can't find anything different from other users... Strange if you ask me. |
| 00:26.09 | anders | amth: Really. |
| 00:26.17 | ecrivain | lots of files should not be visible |
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| 00:27.27 | thinkb5 | Hello. Does anyone know how can I select and auto copy to clipboard on konsole? |
| 00:27.45 | anders | thinkb5: Select the text with the mouse to copy |
| 00:28.14 | thinkb5 | anders: I do select the text, but I have to copy by either right click and copy or via shortcut. |
| 00:28.34 | thinkb5 | anders: I want to save the copy process.. |
| 00:29.07 | anders | thinkb5: You can middle click to paste, or configure klipper to syncronize the clipboard and selection |
| 00:29.47 | thinkb5 | anders: Yeah! clipboard was the answer. Thanks! |
| 00:29.56 | anders | thinkb5: Good :-) |
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| 00:32.35 | rlculver | hi |
| 00:32.45 | anders | Hi ho |
| 00:32.56 | rlculver | I have just installed kde 3.2 via konstruct under suse 9.0 |
| 00:33.17 | rlculver | but when I click on kcontrol, it does not display appearance or anything? |
| 00:33.21 | rlculver | any ideas |
| 00:34.01 | rlculver | also if I try the suse 9.0 rpm's - I get s small gap between the menus |
| 00:34.07 | anders | rlculver: KDEDIRS is not correctly set, your PATH is missing stuff |
| 00:34.36 | rlculver | KDEDIRS with rrgards to konstruct? |
| 00:34.52 | rlculver | is it best to use konstrcut or kde rpm's??? |
| 00:35.56 | anders | rlculver: Kde needs to know where to look for its files. Kcontol loads some files to create the list of modules, and they are under $KDEDIR/share somewhere, so if KDEDIRS does not contain the prefix where you installed KDE, it will not work (unless you installed in /usr) |
| 00:36.26 | anders | rlculver: You should also add $KDEDIR/bin to [the front of] your PATH |
| 00:36.54 | anders | rlculver: Before loading KDE, for example in the startkde script or so |
| 00:37.16 | amth | anders: For some strange reason it seems that ksycoca had somehow locked /var/tmp/kdecache-<user>/ files so the ~/.kde symlinks wasn't able to do a "write new ones on bootup" (or something), by manually deleting the /var files made the problem go away?!? Some sort of bug? |
| 00:37.47 | rlculver | andres : - I have this |
| 00:37.56 | anders | amth: Possibly, though more like a race condition of some sorts |
| 00:38.07 | anders | amth: It happens sometimes, but rarely I think |
| 00:38.10 | rlculver | export QTDIR=~/kde3.2 |
| 00:38.10 | rlculver | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.10 | rlculver | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.10 | rlculver | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:38.32 | DirkGently | I get a similar problem with the K-menu.. if I change language and back again, it fixes it |
| 00:39.03 | anders | rlculver: Something like that |
| 00:39.08 | DirkGently | not KDEDIR? |
| 00:39.16 | rlculver | DirkGently : - a gap in the menu? |
| 00:39.22 | DirkGently | rlculver: yes |
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| 00:39.26 | anders | DirkGently: We have noe KDEDIRS, that is a colon separated list |
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| 00:39.51 | anders | DirkGently: I personally sets KDEDIR as well, mainly for convenience while compiling |
| 00:39.59 | amth | anders: I heared that the user (who's account was the prob) had some sort of "signal 11 windows showed up, but none of the progs quitted" thingie happened, and after that all menus and kicker icons didn't do anything... |
| 00:40.01 | rlculver | si konstruct should work fine with that config then matey? |
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| 00:40.25 | anders | amth: Has that gone away? |
| 00:40.33 | amth | anders: Yep. |
| 00:40.33 | DirkGently | that new government warning advert "Wasted" has some excellent tracks on it |
| 00:40.49 | rlculver | so konstruct should do the same job as the rpm's correct? |
| 00:40.49 | BorgQueen | Hi where can I get the latest version of Juk? I've googling but keep hitting dead ends |
| 00:41.01 | anders | BorgQueen: It is in kdemultimedia |
| 00:41.07 | DirkGently | anders: I only use KDEDIR |
| 00:41.09 | anders | BorgQueen: So just install kde 3.2 :-) |
| 00:41.14 | BorgQueen | For 3.1 |
| 00:41.20 | DirkGently | what is KDEDIRS for? |
| 00:41.25 | BorgQueen | I can't do that on this machine right now.... |
| 00:41.27 | amth | anders: A race condition possible to lock files from the KDE under /var/tmp... Pretty nasty bug. :-) |
| 00:41.53 | anders | DirkGently: Well, in gentoo it is used to enable loading kde apps from different versions, or from /usr |
| 00:42.10 | anders | DirkGently: I use kbiff from kde 3.1 under cvs HEAD for example |
| 00:42.18 | BorgQueen | So anyone know? |
| 00:42.28 | anders | DirkGently: Kde finds it, because its prefix is in KDEDIRS |
| 00:42.45 | anders | DirkGently: Www.kdeapps.org? |
| 00:42.47 | DirkGently | anders: I use 3.1 apps.. just have them in the PATH |
| 00:42.57 | anders | http://www.kdeapps.org |
| 00:43.04 | BorgQueen | They only have it for slackware |
| 00:43.07 | annma | BorgQueen: afaik, juk is not in 3.1 |
| 00:43.16 | anders | DirkGently: Well, there is a slight difference if kde needs to load the .desktop files |
| 00:43.36 | BorgQueen | I know, its not. That's why I'm looking for it |
| 00:43.56 | annma | but how can you look for it if it's not for 3.2? |
| 00:43.57 | DirkGently | anders: kde-apps you mean? |
| 00:44.01 | annma | for 3.1 |
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| 00:44.23 | anders | You should update, 3.2 is way cooler (and another step towards hell, accordingg so comments on ./) |
| 00:44.23 | annma | BorgQueen: being not for 3.1 means that it has dependencied beyond 3.1 |
| 00:44.37 | annma | it depends on taglib for example |
| 00:44.39 | BorgQueen | anders I will but I can't on this machine |
| 00:44.50 | BorgQueen | Ah ok |
| 00:45.03 | BorgQueen | Was the theme problem resolved? |
| 00:45.10 | DirkGently | annma: according dash-slot, we all might as well install GNOME |
| 00:45.19 | annma | BorgQueen: when a new app is developed, it is in general done for the version that it will come with, not backwards |
| 00:45.27 | amth | anders: The ONLY file that differs from average files is /var/tmp/kdecache-<user>/ksycocastamp that is zero (0) Bytes, while all other stamps are more than that (272+ Bytes)... Some race condition on the routine using that file?!? |
| 00:45.34 | BorgQueen | Ok |
| 00:45.42 | annma | DirkGently: no way, never, never |
| 00:46.02 | anders | amth: I don't know why it happens some times, but I'm happy to know more exact what it is |
| 00:46.02 | BorgQueen | When I tried to install 3.2B on one of my machine, none of my themes and styles worked. |
| 00:46.09 | BorgQueen | Was that problem fixed? |
| 00:46.23 | annma | how did you install? |
| 00:46.26 | DirkGently | annma: but KDE will be obsolete in a year's time |
| 00:46.32 | DirkGently | hehe |
| 00:46.35 | annma | DirkGently: how come? |
| 00:46.39 | anders | BorgQueen: Kde 3.2 comes with a new kwin, many styles needs a recompile |
| 00:46.43 | BorgQueen | The test was from rpms for RH |
| 00:46.48 | amth | anders: Should it be reported to the bugs.kde.org? |
| 00:46.51 | anders | And kwin styles a rewrite.. |
| 00:47.00 | BorgQueen | These styles dont' compile they just install |
| 00:47.11 | DirkGently | because SuSE is going for Ximian and Qt commercial licence is too expensive |
| 00:47.13 | annma | BorgQueen: here, compiled from sources, everything is ok |
| 00:47.21 | anders | amth: Yes, that would be a good idea I think, maybe someone will be able to solve it |
| 00:47.28 | annma | I thought Suse was going for kde |
| 00:48.02 | DirkGently | Novell has Ximian and SuSE and they plan to progress Ximian |
| 00:48.04 | anders | They were, but then they were acquired by novell |
| 00:48.20 | BorgQueen | I don't have source codes. Blast it |
| 00:48.22 | DirkGently | (smacks of RedHat-itus) |
| 00:48.49 | annma | BorgQueen: problem is that when making packages, distros sometimes mess stuff |
| 00:48.57 | anders | I think actually that the cooperate world tends to prefer gnome, because ximian is a company and thus controllable -- kde is too anarchistic and unontrollable for them |
| 00:49.02 | annma | ike Fedora forgot JuK |
| 00:49.23 | anders | C |
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| 00:49.48 | BorgQueen | Fedora doesn't have juk? |
| 00:49.52 | DirkGently | I wonder what the ratio of home:corporate user is |
| 00:50.02 | annma | I thought the latest dot article said Suse was going to support KDE |
| 00:50.16 | BorgQueen | More small busineses in NJ are starting to use Linux as are home users |
| 00:50.20 | annma | but I am not sure I understand it all |
| 00:50.26 | anders | Soon, kde will be a wacky european subculture |
| 00:50.34 | anders | :-) |
| 00:50.36 | annma | Suse got agreement in the USA |
| 00:50.38 | BorgQueen | That would be nice anders |
| 00:50.41 | DirkGently | JuK plays mp3's.. naughty naughty.. |
| 00:50.51 | BorgQueen | mp3 suck |
| 00:50.51 | annma | to be used by civil organizations |
| 00:51.00 | DirkGently | that's prolly why they excluded it |
| 00:51.04 | BorgQueen | Well thanks, later people. |
| 00:51.11 | anders | Bye, BorgQueen |
| 00:51.16 | BorgQueen | Oh, good point DirkGently |
| 00:51.17 | annma | DirkGently: that's not why Fedora forgot it, it's because of taglib dependency |
| 00:51.25 | BorgQueen | ? |
| 00:51.28 | BorgQueen | What about it? |
| 00:51.36 | annma | tagtlib is in kdeextragear |
| 00:51.44 | BorgQueen | ok |
| 00:51.47 | annma | not in official release |
| 00:51.49 | BorgQueen | So? |
| 00:51.51 | BorgQueen | Oh |
| 00:51.52 | annma | and juk needs it |
| 00:52.05 | BorgQueen | So where can I get juk for 3.2?> |
| 00:52.06 | anders | How can a app in kdemultimedia depend on a lib in kdeextragear ?! |
| 00:52.07 | annma | I said to Juk developer that it's a crazy suituation |
| 00:52.15 | annma | anders: yes, I know |
| 00:52.19 | BorgQueen | For Fedora that is |
| 00:52.25 | annma | plus it's in kdeextragear 2 |
| 00:52.31 | anders | Uuuuh |
| 00:52.38 | anders | :-) |
| 00:52.51 | DirkGently | I was a staunch redhat advocate until 8.0.. then I switched to suse and wouldn't touch redhat with a barge pole now |
| 00:52.58 | annma | so the order of compile is: keg-2 kmm keg-1 |
| 00:53.02 | BorgQueen | Where can I get juk for Fedora? |
| 00:53.05 | annma | amarok is in 1 |
| 00:53.20 | annma | BorgQueen: wait for them to package it |
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| 00:53.25 | BorgQueen | Ah |
| 00:53.31 | annma | as they forgot it, they are a bit late |
| 00:53.32 | BorgQueen | ok well good night |
| 00:53.38 | anders | Why are people using feodora? |
| 00:53.41 | Crissi | hi |
| 00:53.48 | anders | Hi ho |
| 00:53.56 | annma | anders: good point, they think it's ixotik |
| 00:54.00 | DirkGently | anders: bluecurve addiction |
| 00:54.01 | annma | exotik |
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| 00:54.13 | anders | I liked *i*xotic better |
| 00:54.17 | annma | worse are all gentoo users that don't know how to compile |
| 00:54.25 | annma | I prefer fedora addicted |
| 00:54.34 | annma | lol |
| 00:54.54 | DirkGently | annma: I read in PCW mag that Gentoo should only be used by ppl with admin experience |
| 00:55.22 | Raetea | that is correct |
| 00:55.34 | anders | A binary dist based on gentoo is allmost bound to pop up at some point |
| 00:55.36 | DirkGently | seems like a lot of newbies try to use it though |
| 00:55.50 | annma | DirkGently: fact is that we should monitor users that come here with problems |
| 00:56.23 | anders | DirkGently: Well, the tempting thing is that portage handles all the building. What they don't realize is that tweaking the configuration requires some knowledge |
| 00:56.24 | Raetea | DirkGently: that's unfortunate consequence of some of the incorrect information gentoo is usually advertised with |
| 00:56.30 | Raetea | heh |
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| 00:58.27 | DirkGently | Raetea: well maybe it'll help ppl learn Linux |
| 00:58.41 | DirkGently | in at the deep end |
| 00:58.44 | Bakaneko | On my system, the 3.2 Kicker doesn't seem to respond to every mouse click... Sometimes I have to click a button, menu item, or window list item twice for it to respond. Any idea what might be causing this? |
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| 00:59.57 | Raetea | DirkGently: it's *hell* for all the people who have the support those users |
| 01:00.14 | thinkb5 | Does anyone have compiled kde 3.2 on OpenBSD 3.4 and want to share experiences or tips? |
| 01:00.15 | Raetea | DirkGently: gentoo is NOT for learning to use unix/linux |
| 01:00.29 | anders | Raetea: Then don't help them |
| 01:00.43 | anders | Raetea: Send them to #gentoo |
| 01:00.55 | Raetea | hm, good idea.. |
| 01:00.55 | DirkGently | anders: exactly what I was about to say.. point them at Mandrake |
| 01:01.11 | anders | Trhow them at #debian-kde |
| 01:01.22 | anders | Dadabam :-) |
| 01:01.29 | DirkGently | poor #debian-kde users |
| 01:01.56 | DirkGently | debian isn't really for newbies |
| 01:02.11 | anders | ...but also used by many |
| 01:02.24 | Raetea | somewhat closer than gentoo |
| 01:03.17 | DirkGently | tell them it takes a day to install and they might be put off gentoo |
| 01:03.26 | anders | Well, I misunderstood you DirkGently .. If I should recommend a distro to a newbie, it would probably be mandrake, allthough I dislike the fact that it is more expensive than windows if you want to stay up to date |
| 01:03.49 | annma | more expensive? |
| 01:03.54 | annma | I don't pay anything |
| 01:03.55 | anders | Mandrakeclub |