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| 01:59.23 | andy__ | hello? |
| 01:59.47 | scribblemaniac | hi |
| 01:59.58 | andy__ | i had a few questions about gsoc |
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| 02:00.44 | dfighter | read the FAQ, if it doesn't answer them, shoot |
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| 04:34.30 | harshu | why i dont see opensuse in list of mentoring org ? |
| 04:37.44 | olly | either they aren't a mentoring org, or you aren't looking closely enough |
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| 05:02.17 | scorche | kblin: ping |
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| 05:18.34 | harshu | Owncloud says they are participating Gsoc under opensuse on this page "https://github.com/owncloud/core/wiki/Google-Summer-of-Code" but i cant see them in list |
| 05:19.11 | scorche | because they are participating under openSUSE's umbrella... |
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| 05:23.50 | olly | harshu: they probably mean they were under opensuse's application |
| 05:24.35 | olly | orgs that aren't accepted often seem to just leave their gsoc pages in the state they were when they applied |
| 05:24.38 | harshu | ok, sorry for noob question but how to mention username on irc like you did just now |
| 05:24.48 | olly | which is perhaps understandable |
| 05:25.24 | olly | you type it |
| 05:25.59 | harshu | olly thanks |
| 05:27.10 | olly | it's actually your own client that does the highlighting (or not, but I suspect anything worth using does) |
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| 05:36.48 | bsteven48 | Hey! So this is my first time doing the Google Summer of Code and I was curious of how to get in touch with the companies associated with it |
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| 05:40.33 | gaurya95 | @bsteven.. Did u check the google melange page? |
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| 05:41.44 | dumindux | bsteven48:When you select each organization, there is a link to their ideas page. Most probably there will be ways to get in touch with the organization there. |
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| 10:20.58 | rockfruit | I was just keyed up from talking about my code with different people. |
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| 11:13.09 | mike5w3c_ | what's the protocol for getting consideration during the meeting here today? |
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| 11:13.31 | mike5w3c_ | do I need to add myself to a waiting list of some kind at some point? |
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| 11:14.06 | gevaerts | There will be something like that, yes |
| 11:14.09 | mike5w3c | k |
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| 11:14.31 | digitalextremist | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.34 | gevaerts | I expect instructions to be given when the meeting starts, or maybe a bit before already |
| 11:15.45 | mike5w3c | gevaerts: sounds good |
| 11:16.18 | mike5w3c | digitalextremist: whatever gets the job done |
| 11:16.36 | digitalextremist | mike5w3c, are you approaching as a student or mentor, or? |
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| 11:34.47 | darnir | !next |
| 11:34.48 | gsocbot | darnir: "next" is IRC feedback meeting for rejected organizations on March 6th at 16:00 UTC |
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| 11:45.03 | mike5w3c | digitalextremist: mentor but w3c wasn't accepted this year unfortunately |
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| 12:21.08 | kblin | hmm, perhaps I should post some instructions online |
| 12:21.14 | kblin | !wiki |
| 12:21.14 | gsocbot | kblin: "wiki" is is at https://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/ |
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| 12:32.32 | flier_uni_bi | Hi all! Does anyone know how to get feedback for rejected mentoring organizations besides this irc channel? |
| 12:32.44 | darnir | flier_uni_bi: Email. |
| 12:33.09 | darnir | Instructions are in the email you received |
| 12:33.33 | moon_ | The email is google-summer-of-code-discuss@googlegroups.com |
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| 12:33.54 | darnir | moon_: I doubt. That's a public list. |
| 12:34.01 | darnir | Please don't spread misinformation |
| 12:34.38 | moon_ | darnir: That wasn't intentional. |
| 12:34.49 | flier_uni_bi | Yes, I also doubt that they would discuss the reasons for having been rejected publicly |
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| 12:35.19 | darnir | THey publicly discuss that during the IRC meeting. So I doubt that's the reason. |
| 12:35.41 | darnir | But the issue I see is the thousands of people who will receive emails that mean nothing to them |
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| 12:36.22 | MatthewWilkes | darnir: Only publicly if the org is okay with it, but yes, the bigger issue is the spam |
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| 12:37.29 | flier_uni_bi | The _public_ feedback round is supposed to start at 16 PM (UTC). I really don't see how this is supposed to work for that many (probably) rejected orgs. |
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| 12:38.16 | gevaerts | flier_uni_bi: the OSPO people actually prefer email due to distribution of workload and that sort of thing |
| 12:38.31 | flier_uni_bi | But that may also depend on the detail level of the feedback |
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| 12:40.37 | flier_uni_bi | Yes, that's exaclty why I was asking for the mail address. So someone said that address should have been in one of the mails (we) received. I'll have a look at them again. Thanks! |
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| 12:42.11 | gevaerts | I *think* it's supposed to be in the rejection mail |
| 12:44.32 | flier_uni_bi | Yep, thanks! |
| 12:45.24 | gsoc521 | is there any chance Mozilla or Tor might be reconsidered during this meeting? |
| 12:46.05 | kblin | hm, wasn't there a way to access the gsoc wiki without knowing the password? |
| 12:46.31 | kblin | gsoc521: that would be a first, so I guess "no" |
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| 12:47.38 | kblin | the statistician in me says that p can never really be 1 or 0, but in this case, I'd think p is pretty darn close to 0 |
| 12:48.39 | gsoc521 | kblin: Oh :( |
| 12:49.22 | kblin | why would that be different for mozilla or tor than it'd be for any of the other orgs that weren't selected? |
| 12:49.23 | tbr | kblin: maybe for an ε < 0? *snerk* |
| 12:49.33 | dumindux | gsoc521:were you gonna do gsoc with Mozilla or Tor? |
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| 12:50.20 | kblin | grumbles |
| 12:50.30 | dumindux | kblin:because may be there were many students who were expecting those orgs might be selected? |
| 12:51.09 | kblin | now I just wrote down some nice info on how the feedback meeting works, and it seems like the wiki is locked down completely again |
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| 12:51.46 | flier_uni_bi | Could you provide a link to the wiki page (if it comes up again) |
| 12:52.02 | gsoc521 | kblin: Yes, I had spent a lot of time researching into some projects and worked with mentors for Mozilla, and NRNB and KnightOS but they were all rejected :\ |
| 12:52.04 | kblin | the wiki is up, it's just secured |
| 12:52.17 | flier_uni_bi | I see |
| 12:52.27 | kblin | gsoc521: that's tough luck, but I'm sure the same applies for other people with other orgs |
| 12:52.42 | kblin | flier_uni_bi: I'll dump it on a publicly accessible page, hang on |
| 12:53.17 | gsoc521 | kblin: But now my chances of getting into other org are rather slim, most students would have already started communicating, and because I do not have much experience it makes it even harder for me :( |
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| 12:54.39 | flier_uni_bi | merci for making the page public again |
| 12:54.55 | gsoc521 | how does the feedback meeting work? |
| 12:55.07 | kblin | gsoc521: every year we have about 400 orgs applying, and ~120-180 orgs making the cut |
| 12:55.31 | kblin | gsoc521: so you can imagine that what happened to you also happens to a lot of other people |
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| 12:56.16 | dfighter | gsoc521, the org I was expecting to get accepted got rejected too. So I looked for alternatives, and now I am preparing for those |
| 12:56.20 | dfighter | you probably should do the same |
| 12:56.22 | Niharika | gsoc521: I think you'd be better off communicating with an org now rather than being grumpy about those not selected. |
| 12:56.23 | kblin | sheesh, I really need to switch my homepage to something that understands markdown |
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| 12:56.26 | flier_uni_bi | 50% is actually a quite high acceptance rate IMHO |
| 12:56.37 | kblin | !numapps |
| 12:56.37 | gsocbot | kblin: "numapps" is 2015: 137/416 orgs. 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
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| 12:57.54 | dfighter | like in any other funding game, you can't expect anything, so hope for the best, and prepare for the worst |
| 12:58.04 | dfighter | I think kblin could tell you more about this topic :D |
| 12:58.30 | dfighter | however this probably isn't the best venue for that |
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| 13:02.54 | flier_uni_bi | Any progress on the public wiki page? |
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| 13:12.07 | kblin | flier_uni_bi: nope, need to reformat to html |
| 13:12.32 | flier_uni_bi | kk thx for the effort |
| 13:13.49 | *** topic/#gsoc by kblin -> Feedback meeting today 16:00 UTC. Guide: http://kblin.org/feedback_meeting.php | Google Summer of Code student applications will open on 16 March at 19:00 UTC | For more information about GSoC please visit google-melange.com. |
| 13:13.55 | kblin | there we go |
| 13:14.22 | kblin | http://kblin.org/feedback_meeting.php <- has the explanation on how this will work |
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| 13:14.49 | kblin | whoops, still need to fix a link |
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| 13:23.23 | gevaerts | kblin: maybe also mention the email option on there? |
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| 13:28.27 | kblin | gevaerts: good point |
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| 13:32.04 | kblin | gevaerts: there we go |
| 13:32.43 | gevaerts | They use a gmail address? |
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| 13:34.04 | kblin | that's what the rejection mail says. |
| 13:34.31 | gevaerts | Up to them of course :) |
| 13:34.57 | kblin | so unless this is a really funy phishing attempt, I believe that's what it should be |
| 13:35.40 | gevaerts | nods |
| 13:36.03 | kblin | and the email headers look very reasonable |
| 13:36.44 | kblin | so a really funny and really elaborate phishing attempt, to trick orgs into asking for feedback |
| 13:37.12 | kblin | by hackers who are very good at faking emails, but only have a very poorly thought out business plan |
| 13:37.36 | gevaerts | :) |
| 13:37.46 | kblin | 1. trick orgs into asking for feedback. 2. ??? 3. profit |
| 13:38.47 | kblin | come to think of it, that's even worse than the business plan twitter has |
| 13:38.54 | kblin | slightly.. |
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| 14:55.56 | jeditobe | helklow |
| 14:56.08 | cave | aloha |
| 14:56.14 | jeditobe | has meeting started? |
| 14:56.21 | cave | -4m |
| 14:56.24 | cave | +4m |
| 14:56.48 | scorpion81 | really ? not in 1hr 4m ? |
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| 14:57.27 | Niharika | Right. 1hr 4m. |
| 14:57.34 | cave | 16:00 UTC |
| 14:57.57 | benbe_ | LC_ALL=C TZ=UTC date |
| 14:58.02 | jeditobe | okay ) now we will know why ReactOS remains left out OF GSOC for 6 years o r more |
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| 14:59.35 | jeditobe | actually 4 |
| 15:00.23 | scorche | carols: hi! |
| 15:00.28 | carols | hi scorche |
| 15:00.33 | carols | too early :-P |
| 15:00.44 | scorche | definitely... |
| 15:00.53 | CAcert_BenBE | You can't be too early ;-) |
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| 15:01.22 | kragniz | CAcert_BenBE: could you help me with my GSoC 2026 application? |
| 15:01.47 | carols | Just so everyone knows, and Iâll being saying this a lot this morning 1) my preference is for you to email for feedback and 2) if you have already asked for email feedback we will not be queueing you for todayâs meeting |
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| 15:02.34 | *** topic/#gsoc by carols -> Feedback meeting today 16:00 UTC. Guide: http://kblin.org/feedback_meeting.php. You can still email for feedback at ospoteam@gmail.com. If you have already emailed asking for feedback you will not be queued for todayâs meeting. | Google Summer of Code student applications will open on 16 March at 19:00 UTC | For more information about GSoC please visit google-melange.com. |
| 15:02.43 | amiranda | do you have to be a full-time student to do summer of code? |
| 15:03.09 | scorche | amiranda: i believ that this is covered in the FAQ - have you read through there? |
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| 15:03.51 | amiranda | scorche: I've been looking at the documentation but haven't seen that yet |
| 15:03.56 | carols | amiranda: no |
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| 15:05.25 | carols | thank you for the email kblin |
| 15:05.31 | carols | whether youâre here or not :-) |
| 15:06.14 | amiranda | I found this line explaining the role of students: "accepted applicants be enrolled in an accredited academic institution" I'm guessing even if I was only taking one class a quarter that would be sufficient? |
| 15:06.37 | carols | amiranda: so long as the university is accredited and they consider you a matriculated student, yes. |
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| 15:07.32 | amiranda | carols, ok got it thanks! :) |
| 15:08.16 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 15:09.39 | scorche | carols: so, it turns out that I will be travelling in a car during the meeting - I will not be driving, so i plan on hooking up to my phone and helping with the meeting still |
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| 15:09.52 | carols | scorche: no problem, but thank you for letting me know |
| 15:09.56 | scorche | that said, i do not think i would have reception the whole way, so i hope that kblin is around... |
| 15:09.56 | carols | i can handle the queue |
| 15:10.01 | carols | itâs fine |
| 15:10.03 | carols | he emailed me |
| 15:10.08 | scorche | oh, ok! |
| 15:10.16 | carols | and i really, really hope people get the message and email instead of attending this meeting |
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| 15:11.08 | scorche | well, i'll still try to be around for as long as i can - its still nice to have someone else administrate for you ;) |
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| 15:11.15 | cave | true GSoC accepts less Orgs every year? |
| 15:11.35 | scorche | cave: untrue... |
| 15:11.37 | appleseed_franz | !queue appleseed_franz appleseed http://appleseedhq.net/ |
| 15:11.37 | gsocbot | appleseed_franz: I queued you at position 3 in the queue |
| 15:12.05 | scorche | hi folks - please use the commands for the bot in a private message - it otherwise gets quite noisy in here |
| 15:12.05 | carols | scorche: indeed :-) |
| 15:12.19 | lrineau | carols: actually, the email received from Google looked quite "automatic". Probably admins expect something more personnal. |
| 15:12.45 | carols | lrineau: well, thatâs fine, i can give them the same message here. |
| 15:12.47 | scorche | appleseed_franz: please requeue (in a private message) with the URL to your ideas page rather than your homepage |
| 15:12.55 | lrineau | carols: :-) |
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| 15:14.31 | appleseed_franz | scorche: done, sorry for the noise! |
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| 15:16.14 | CFS-MP3 | this meeting was useful to me last year (even though we got accepted), learned a lot of what to watch for this year. So it's not just for the rejected orgs IMHO... but well, it is what it is :-) |
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| 15:16.31 | carols | this meeting is very hard on my wrists. |
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| 15:19.32 | saurabhsood91 | !next |
| 15:19.33 | gsocbot | saurabhsood91: "next" is IRC feedback meeting for rejected organizations on March 6th at 16:00 UTC |
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| 15:20.00 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Make sure you get a whisky before you start. |
| 15:20.12 | carols | yeah, i might have to put some in my coffee. |
| 15:20.28 | MatthewWilkes | Oh, right, timezones. Oops. |
| 15:20.41 | carols | Iâll say it again: 1) my preference is for you to email for feedback and 2) if you have already asked for email feedback we will not be queueing you for todayâs meeting |
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| 15:26.18 | citec_flier | !showqueue |
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| 15:27.37 | MatthewWilkes | citec_flier: Is that in case you don't like the first answer? |
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| 15:27.53 | citec_flier | !showqueue |
| 15:28.20 | citec_flier | Sorry? |
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| 15:29.01 | carols | hi everyone, if youâre here for the meeting it starts in about 30 minutes. 1) my preference is for you to email for feedback and 2) if you have already asked for email feedback we will not be queueing you for todayâs meeting |
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| 15:30.00 | gismo_angelo-m | !showqueue |
| 15:30.13 | carols | itâs also helpful if you do this in a PM with gsocbot |
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| 15:31.59 | Cervator | routed feedback request via email then, will hang out anyway for any good stats / pointers for this year :-) |
| 15:32.02 | jhf | hola carols - how do we get in the queue? |
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| 15:32.14 | carols | jhf: did you read the topic message? |
| 15:32.20 | carols | the instructions are linked in there |
| 15:32.37 | carols | my preference is still for everyone to email for feedback |
| 15:32.42 | carols | just thought iâd say that again. |
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| 15:32.56 | carols | in the hopes maybe i wonât be sitting here for 4 hours this year. |
| 15:32.59 | checkstyle | !queue |
| 15:32.59 | gsocbot | checkstyle: I queued you at position 11 in the queue |
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| 15:33.25 | gismo_angelo-m | hi carols, since that is preferable I will then send the e-mail instead of queuing on gsocbot |
| 15:33.33 | carols | gismo_angelo-m: you are very kind to me. |
| 15:33.38 | carols | i appreciate it more than you know. |
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| 15:33.41 | carols | so do my wrists. |
| 15:33.43 | gismo_angelo-m | hehe ok great |
| 15:33.46 | jhf | yeah same here sorry - I saw the motd but not the topic! I'll email |
| 15:33.48 | appleseed_franz | Hi Carol, hope you're doing well. I already asked feedback by mail and got the answer that our project list didn't have quite the depth expected from a veteran org. I suppose I cannot expect any more detailed feedback, right? (I will unqueue anyway.) |
| 15:34.05 | carols | appleseed_franz: indeed, you cannot expect any additional feedback if youâve already emailed |
| 15:35.07 | citec_flier | !showqueue |
| 15:35.40 | gismo_angelo-m | hm.. after franz's message I have second thoughts.. maybe I could just queue ( sorry carols :) ) |
| 15:35.55 | carols | sure |
| 15:35.56 | gismo_angelo-m | !queue gismo_angelo-m http://gs.jku.at/gsoc |
| 15:35.56 | gsocbot | gismo_angelo-m: I queued you at position 11 in the queue |
| 15:36.00 | appleseed_franz | carols: hope we'll get to learn what is expected then, since we did put quite some effort in our ideas page, possibly not in the right direction :) thanks anyway, good luck with the meeting |
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| 15:36.06 | carols | cheers |
| 15:36.18 | carols | lots of orgs put lots of work into their ideas page |
| 15:36.31 | carols | the nice thing is that even if youâre rejected you have an awesome ideas page for new developers now |
| 15:36.49 | Cervator | yeah we may have taken some inspiration in the past from the layout of other org's ideas pages :3 |
| 15:36.53 | carols | iâm of the opinion all FOSS orgs, whether they participate in gsoc or not, should have an ideas page |
| 15:37.00 | citec_flier | !showqueue |
| 15:37.15 | carols | citec_flier: it would be so super awesome if you did that in a PM with gsocbot. |
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| 15:38.39 | carols | hi everyone, if youâre here for the meeting it starts in about 20 minutes. 1) my preference is for you to email for feedback and 2) if you have already asked for email feedback we will not be queueing you for todayâs meeting |
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| 15:39.21 | citec_flier | !showqueue |
| 15:40.52 | carols | iâll be muting the channel in about 10 minutes, so everyone is ready for that |
| 15:42.11 | carols | cgal|sloriot: you guys already emailed for feedback, didnât you? |
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| 15:43.22 | citec_flier | k sorry |
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| 15:45.39 | carols | hi everyone, if youâre here for the meeting it starts in about 15 minutes. 1) my preference is for you to email for feedback and 2) if you have already asked for email feedback we will not be queueing you for todayâs meeting |
| 15:47.33 | cgal|sloriot | carols: right, just got through the msgs not to queue. I dequeued |
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| 15:47.38 | carols | cheers |
| 15:47.40 | carols | thanks very much |
| 15:47.44 | carols | my wrists thank you too |
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| 15:49.25 | carols | hi everyone, iâm going to be muting the channel now, the meeting will be starting in about 10 minutes |
| 15:49.41 | carols | just one final time iâll say: 1) my preference is for you to email for feedback and 2) if you have already asked for email feedback we will not be queueing you for todayâs meeting |
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| 15:51.26 | carols | if anyone needs help queueing the directions are in the channel topic |
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| 15:51.47 | carols | but again, my preference is strongly for you to email for feedback so that any of my colleagues or i can respond at a time that is convienent for us |
| 15:52.04 | carols | serves some tea and coffee while we wait |
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| 15:54.17 | carols | hi everyone, if youâre here for the meeting it starts in about 5 minutes. 1) my preference is for you to email for feedback and 2) if you have already asked for email feedback we will not be queueing you for todayâs meeting |
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| 15:58.03 | kblin | carols: hi there, I just made it home. happy to help now |
| 15:58.13 | carols | great, thanks very much kblin |
| 15:58.17 | carols | with 2 minutes to spare :-) |
| 15:58.21 | scorche|sh | offers kblin some tea |
| 15:58.28 | carols | hi everyone, if youâre here for the meeting it starts in about 2 minutes. 1) my preference is for you to email for feedback and 2) if you have already asked for email feedback we will not be queueing you for todayâs meeting |
| 15:59.40 | kblin | speaking of which... |
| 15:59.42 | kblin | !dequeue |
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| 16:00.17 | carols | hi everyone, weâre going to start the meeting now |
| 16:00.31 | carols | =====BEGIN IRC REJECTED ORGANIZATIONS FEEDBACK MEETING===== |
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| 16:00.48 | carols | as most of you already know, we made a lot of hard decisions this year, as with every year. |
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| 16:01.37 | carols | we got a lot of applications in a few specific topic areas where we had to reject a lot of orgs, and we also tried to make space for new organizations who have never participated before over accepting organizations who have been with us for a long time. |
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| 16:01.59 | carols | itâs always difficult, and unfortunately some orgs had wonderful ideas pages and applications and still didnât make the cut. |
| 16:02.05 | carols | and with that, weâll get started |
| 16:02.14 | carols | kblin: do you want to do next in line or should i? |
| 16:02.34 | scorche|sh | carols: i think it'd be best of you do it and then we can handle the voicing/unvoicing |
| 16:02.34 | kblin | if you do this yourself, we eleminate you asking me to call the next one ;) |
| 16:02.39 | carols | !nextinline |
| 16:02.39 | gsocbot | carols: Next in line is CAcert_INOPIAE with notice: CAcert_INOPIAE CAcert http://wiki.cacert.org/Software/GSoC/2015 |
| 16:02.47 | carols | great, thanks kblin |
| 16:02.47 | *** mode/#gsoc [+v CAcert_INOPIAE] by kblin |
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| 16:02.54 | carols | hi CAcert_INOPIAE |
| 16:02.54 | CAcert_INOPIAE | What were the reasons that CAcert was rejected? |
| 16:02.57 | *** mode/#gsoc [+v CAcert_BenBE] by scorche|sh |
| 16:02.58 | carols | let me take a look |
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| 16:03.51 | carols | okay, so first piece of feedback is on your ideas page: youâve got a few good ideas on there, but they arenât very well described in a few places. we would have liked to see more depth on a few of them |
| 16:04.22 | CAcert_INOPIAE | Ok, that is a good hint for next year. |
| 16:04.29 | carols | also, i know you probably only expected to accept a couple students, but we would have liked maybe just a couple more ideas on there |
| 16:04.39 | carols | to give the students just a bit more selection options when they visit you |
| 16:05.14 | carols | those are the primary things we were a little concerned with. |
| 16:05.22 | CAcert_BenBE | Actually the projects we have allow for much room for ideas which made it quite hard for us to find a starting point :) |
| 16:05.30 | carols | yeah, thatâs understandable |
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| 16:05.58 | carols | primarily, though, it was just a hard decision for us, and i hope youâll try again next year with a slightly more fleshed out ideas page |
| 16:06.17 | CAcert_BenBE | We sure will. |
| 16:06.18 | carols | did you have any questions for me? |
| 16:07.11 | carols | okay, iâll take that as a no. |
| 16:07.16 | carols | moving along :-) |
| 16:07.22 | *** mode/#gsoc [-v CAcert_BenBE] by scorche|sh |
| 16:07.25 | carols | !nextinline |
| 16:07.25 | gsocbot | carols: Next in line is mlpack|rcurtin with notice: mlpack|rcurtin mlpack https://github.com/mlpack/mlpack/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas |
| 16:07.26 | CAcert_INOPIAE | No thaks for the moment |
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| 16:07.30 | carols | cheers :-) |
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| 16:07.36 | carols | mlpack|rcurtin: let me take a look |
| 16:07.42 | mlpack|rcurtin | carols: hello there, thank you for your time |
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| 16:07.54 | carols | of course |
| 16:08.04 | carols | let me just review everything for a sec, hold on |
| 16:08.10 | mlpack|rcurtin | we were disappointed to see that both ourselves and shogun (open-source machine learning libraries) were passed over, whereas spots were given to commercial offerings like CloudCV and HPCCsystems |
| 16:08.24 | mlpack|rcurtin | so I am curious to hear if we neglected something on our application or there was some issue with our ideas page |
| 16:08.36 | carols | youâre ideas page looks good this year, i think youâre fine there |
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| 16:08.58 | carols | well, shogun had their own problems iâm sure they can speak to you about directly |
| 16:09.04 | carols | i spoke with them about that in a private email |
| 16:09.07 | mlpack|rcurtin | yeah, I'm not speaking on their behalf or anything |
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| 16:10.13 | carols | anyway, looking over your ideas page and application it looks like we had you in until the end, we just had to make a lot of hard cuts and your orgâs was one of them :-( |
| 16:10.35 | carols | iâm glad you guys participated before, and i hope youâll apply again, weâd love to see an application from you in a future year |
| 16:10.41 | mlpack|rcurtin | yes, we'll be back next year |
| 16:10.48 | carols | excellent |
| 16:10.59 | carols | did you have any questions for me? |
| 16:11.01 | mlpack|rcurtin | I understand that the decision-making process is always difficult, I just wanted to make sure we hadn't screwed up |
| 16:11.12 | carols | no, no screw up on your part. |
| 16:11.19 | carols | and i hope you enjoyed gsoc before. |
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| 16:11.41 | mlpack|rcurtin | yeah, although this may be a bit tangential: in selecting organizations, what is the GSoC team's preference for fully open-source (free) projects vs. commercially-backed projects? |
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| 16:12.09 | carols | there sort of isnât one, we look at each application individually |
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| 16:12.17 | carols | sometimes we accept one or the other, sometimes neither |
| 16:12.25 | carols | it varies from org to org |
| 16:12.36 | mlpack|rcurtin | fair enough |
| 16:12.38 | mlpack|rcurtin | thank you for your time |
| 16:12.41 | carols | cheers |
| 16:12.45 | carols | thank you! |
| 16:12.50 | carols | !nextinline |
| 16:12.50 | gsocbot | carols: Next in line is limesurvey_cschm with notice: limesurvey LimeSurvey https://manual.limesurvey.org/Project_ideas_for_GSoC_2015 |
| 16:12.51 | *** mode/#gsoc [+v limesurvey_cschm] by kblin |
| 16:12.54 | limesurvey_cschm | Hi Carol, I hope your wrists will be fine tomorrow - so far it looks good with that short queue. |
| 16:12.54 | *** mode/#gsoc [-v naywhayare] by scorche|sh |
| 16:13.00 | limesurvey_cschm | Can you give me some honest feedback on our application, please? |
| 16:13.02 | *** mode/#gsoc [-v naywhayare] by scorche|sh |
| 16:13.28 | carols | sure, let me take a look now |
| 16:14.43 | carols | i think your ideas page and application looks good |
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| 16:14.58 | carols | unfortunately this was another one of those hard decisions, iâm sorry :-( |
| 16:15.37 | kblin | Hi folks. We currently have the rejected org feedback meeting going on, so this channel is moderated. If you are here to participate on behalf of an organisation that did not get selected, please queue up with gsocbot. See the topic for instructions. |
| 16:15.45 | carols | yeah, ideas page looks good to me, and it looks like we just made a bunch of hard decisions this year. |
| 16:15.57 | carols | sorry i donât have better news for you, limesurvey_cschm |
| 16:16.04 | carols | do you have questions for me? |
| 16:16.05 | limesurvey_cschm | ok, so no other reasons |
| 16:16.13 | carols | no, sorry, sometimes itâs like that :-( |
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| 16:16.19 | limesurvey_cschm | ok, thank you very much |
| 16:16.28 | carols | thank you |
| 16:16.28 | limesurvey_cschm | no further questions |
| 16:16.33 | limesurvey_cschm | have a great one! |
| 16:16.33 | carols | cheers |
| 16:16.35 | *** mode/#gsoc [-v limesurvey_cschm] by scorche|sh |
| 16:16.36 | carols | you too! |
| 16:16.40 | carols | !nextinline |
| 16:16.41 | gsocbot | carols: Next in line is Nitrokey_jan with notice: Nitrokey_jan Nitrokey https://github.com/Nitrokey/wiki/wiki/Ideas |
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| 16:16.45 | carols | hi Nitrokey_jan |
| 16:16.49 | Nitrokey_jan | hi carol |
| 16:16.49 | *** mode/#gsoc [+v Nitrokey_george] by kblin |
| 16:17.24 | Nitrokey_jan | please give us your honest feedback, why we were rejected and what we could do better next time. |
| 16:17.45 | carols | your ideas page looks great. |
| 16:18.03 | Nitrokey_jan | we put in a lot of effort, because GSOC was so important for us. |
| 16:18.08 | carols | i mentioned at the top of the hour that we rejected a lot of orgs who have participated before in order to accept a bunch of new orgs |
| 16:18.14 | carols | and this was one of those cases |
| 16:18.26 | carols | it was a hard decision for us :-( |
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| 16:18.43 | Nitrokey_jan | ok. thanks for your feedback. |
| 16:18.52 | carols | i hope youâll apply again in a future year |
| 16:19.08 | carols | did you have any questions for me? |
| 16:19.12 | Nitrokey_jan | anything we could do better? |
| 16:19.28 | carols | honestly, no, i think keep your application and ideas page just like it is :-) |
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| 16:19.40 | carols | this was just a numbers decision |
| 16:19.42 | Nitrokey_jan | ok. thank. |
| 16:19.55 | carols | cheers! |
| 16:19.55 | Nitrokey_jan | and thank you very much for your hard work in GSOC during all the last years. it has been very helpful for us and many other orgs! |
| 16:19.58 | carols | of course! |
| 16:20.04 | carols | thank you for participating and mentoring students |
| 16:20.19 | carols | !nextinline |
| 16:20.19 | gsocbot | carols: Next in line is HelenOS|mdecky with notice: HelenOS|mdecky HelenOS http://www.helenos.org/gsoc2015 |
| 16:20.21 | *** mode/#gsoc [-v Nitrokey_jan] by scorche|sh |
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| 16:20.25 | carols | hi HelenOS|mdecky |
| 16:20.25 | *** mode/#gsoc [-v Nitrokey_george] by scorche|sh |
| 16:20.50 | HelenOS|mdecky | Hello Carol. We have obviously based our ideas page on the one from GSoC 2014 (when we were accepted), with gradual upgrades and improvements. And the history of our ideas page could be traced back to 2011 and 2012, when we were also accepted. |
| 16:21.16 | carols | yeah, your ideas page looks good |
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| 16:21.22 | carols | application looks good as well |
| 16:21.35 | carols | i have much the same feedback for you that i did for the nitrokey folks |
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| 16:22.06 | carols | we mostly were just trying to make room for new organizations, and we hoped that since youâd participated in previous years we could make space for other, new orgs |
| 16:22.37 | HelenOS|mdecky | OK, I understand. So gradual upgrades of the ideas page are OK in general? No need to rework it each year from scratch? |
| 16:22.47 | carols | no, no need to rework it. |
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| 16:22.56 | carols | i think ideas pages should be living, changing documents |
| 16:23.10 | carols | and you just polish it up a bit when you apply for gsoc :-) |
| 16:23.29 | HelenOS|mdecky | I agree. I have no further questions. Thanks for your feedback, Carol, and thanks for your time! |
| 16:23.32 | carols | i think itâs just a good document to have around whether you participate or not, to make it easier for your community to attract new developers |
| 16:23.35 | carols | great, thank you! |
| 16:23.41 | carols | hopefully weâll see you next year |
| 16:23.44 | carols | cheers |
| 16:23.47 | HelenOS|mdecky | Yes, we'll be in. |
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| 16:23.54 | carols | great |
| 16:23.58 | carols | !nextinline |
| 16:23.58 | gsocbot | carols: Next in line is flier_citec with notice: CITEC https://www.cit-ec.de/gsoc2015 |
| 16:24.00 | kblin | I think the next in line timed out 4 minutes ago |
| 16:24.04 | carols | okay |
| 16:24.08 | carols | so move along? |
| 16:24.14 | carols | !nextinline |
| 16:24.14 | gsocbot | carols: Next in line is citec_flier with notice: CITEC https://www.cit-ec.de/gsoc2015 |
| 16:24.31 | scorche|sh | they times out and have not rejoined |
| 16:24.36 | scorche|sh | timed... |
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| 16:24.44 | carols | okay |
| 16:24.47 | carols | moving along again then |
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| 16:24.55 | gsocbot | carols: Next in line is checkstyle with notice: checkstyle checkstyle https://github.com/checkstyle/checkstyle/wiki/Checkstyle-GSoC-2015-Project-Ideas |
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| 16:25.27 | checkstyle | Hi Carol, please share your thoughts about our ideas page |
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| 16:25.43 | carols | actually, just looking it over, i think it looks great. |
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| 16:26.09 | carols | your application looks good too. |
| 16:26.27 | carols | unfortunately this was another numbers thing. :-( |
| 16:26.36 | carols | iâm sorry that i donât have a more satisfying answer than that |
| 16:26.42 | checkstyle | Do you have any preference of size (number of sentences) of one idea description ? We had a challange to describe clearly and be not too wordy. |
| 16:26.58 | carols | checkstyle: yes, my preference is always for more information over less |
| 16:27.09 | carols | i would rather see you over-describe a topic than under-describe |
| 16:27.11 | checkstyle | So we just unlucky this year , right ? |
| 16:27.12 | carols | it helps the students |
| 16:27.19 | carols | yes, unfortunately so :-( |
| 16:27.26 | carols | i hope youâll try again next year |
| 16:27.26 | checkstyle | ok, thanks a lot ! |
| 16:27.31 | carols | youâre welcome |
| 16:27.42 | carols | did you have any other questions? |
| 16:27.49 | checkstyle | no,thank you very much |
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| 16:28.01 | carols | okay great |
| 16:28.02 | carols | thank you |
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| 16:28.06 | gsocbot | carols: Next in line is gismo_angelo-m with notice: gismo_angelo-m http://gs.jku.at/gsoc |
| 16:28.07 | *** mode/#gsoc [+v gismo_angelo-m] by kblin |
| 16:28.07 | gismo_angelo-m | hi carols, we are newcomers, so your best feedback is welcome.. |
| 16:28.13 | carols | hi gismo_angelo-m |
| 16:28.13 | *** mode/#gsoc [-v checkstyle] by kblin |
| 16:28.16 | carols | sure, let me check |
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| 16:28.48 | carols | okay, so your ideas page is a good start, but doesnât include a lot of the information we want to see on it |
| 16:29.08 | gismo_angelo-m | what are the basic things not in there ? |
| 16:29.10 | carols | it should list difficulty level, potential mentors, expected outcomes, and required skills for each idea |
| 16:29.21 | carols | have you seen our mentor manual section on ideas pages? |
| 16:29.50 | carols | http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoring/making-your-ideas-page/ |
| 16:30.01 | gismo_angelo-m | yes, but our view was that each idea can become specific as a more or less difficult task |
| 16:30.11 | gismo_angelo-m | fitting the profile of a student |
| 16:30.11 | carols | well, thatâs okay. |
| 16:30.19 | carols | but each idea should include all the relevant info to start |
| 16:30.26 | carols | we have to give the students a jumping off point |
| 16:30.27 | gismo_angelo-m | sure |
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| 16:30.38 | carols | other than that, your application looks good. |
| 16:30.44 | gismo_angelo-m | would GSoC prefer ideas about building new code, revising old code, topics related to web and porting/wrapping, research topics, ideas that suggest starting new codes form scratch, something else ? |
| 16:31.11 | carols | we donât have preferences on the ideas specifically, so long as we feel they could be 3-month projects |
| 16:31.25 | carols | itâs more in the description and making it clear youâve thought through each one |
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| 16:31.36 | gismo_angelo-m | how was our application/answers in general, something out of scope there ? |
| 16:31.43 | carols | your application looks fine |
| 16:31.54 | carols | we also did in general just have a lot of hard decisions to make |
| 16:32.06 | gismo_angelo-m | i see |
| 16:32.07 | gismo_angelo-m | does it make sence to try again next year? we are a small, academic org, how do you take these into account ? do we have chances in principle? |
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| 16:32.12 | carols | and unfortunately your org was one of them :-( |
| 16:32.18 | carols | yes, weâd love to have you try again next year |
| 16:32.25 | carols | every year and every application is different |
| 16:32.35 | carols | one year has no bearing on the next |
| 16:32.57 | carols | (as iâm sure many of the orgs who participated before but were rejected this year can tell you) |
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| 16:33.13 | carols | did you have any other questions for me? |
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| 16:33.44 | gismo_angelo-m | great, we will keep the ideas page anyway available for contributors, and beef it up for next year then |
| 16:33.48 | carols | wonderful |
| 16:33.51 | gismo_angelo-m | thanx a lot, I am fine |
| 16:33.55 | carols | great, cheers |
| 16:33.58 | carols | have a nice day |
| 16:34.01 | gismo_angelo-m | keep up the good work, bye |
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| 16:34.04 | gsocbot | carols: Next in line is ESphynx with notice: ecere WorldForge http://ecere.org/ideas |
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| 16:34.18 | ESphynx | hi carol, don't know how 'WorldForge' ended up there :) sorry |
| 16:34.35 | carols | no problem |
| 16:34.42 | carols | iâll take a look at the ideas page |
| 16:34.51 | ESphynx | thanks |
| 16:35.25 | carols | your ideas page and application look great. |
| 16:35.50 | carols | unfortunately i donât have any constructive feedback to offer, other than this was just a tough year for a lot of orgs :-( |
| 16:36.30 | carols | you did a great job with your ideas page |
| 16:36.30 | ESphynx | given the amount of efforts I put on this ideas page, and how much more developed it is compared to when we applied in 2009 and 2010, I actually thought we stood a chance next year :) |
| 16:36.34 | ESphynx | thanks. |
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| 16:36.46 | carols | you did a great job with it indeed :-) |
| 16:36.47 | ESphynx | I have a few questions which maybe other orgs have as well |
| 16:36.51 | carols | sure |
| 16:36.57 | ESphynx | was funding for GSoC cut down in general this year? |
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| 16:37.29 | ESphynx | or it's same number of students, just fewer orgs? |
| 16:37.45 | carols | well, we donât know how many students weâre accepting until we accept them :-) |
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| 16:38.06 | ESphynx | hehe true, but any hint as of why the number of orgs went significantly down? |
| 16:38.09 | carols | we did accept fewer orgs, yes, but we tried to emphasize orgs that were new and small |
| 16:38.26 | carols | itâs just a decision we make from year to year |
| 16:38.34 | carols | last year was the 10th anniversary |
| 16:38.37 | carols | this year was not :-) |
| 16:38.38 | ESphynx | ok... I think it's good to give a chance to newer orgs :) |
| 16:38.44 | carols | i agree. |
| 16:38.49 | ESphynx | we would have hoped to be one of those :) |
| 16:38.54 | carols | i understand |
| 16:38.58 | carols | i know itâs disappointing |
| 16:38.59 | ESphynx | do we stand a good chance next year with a similar application? |
| 16:39.03 | carols | yes! |
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| 16:39.14 | carols | please do apply again, weâd love to see your application |
| 16:39.16 | ESphynx | OK then we'll put in the efforts again, and it should be easier. |
| 16:39.21 | ESphynx | also thank you for forcing me to write a good ideas list. |
| 16:39.26 | carols | youâre welcome? :-) |
| 16:39.36 | ESphynx | anything we can do better? |
| 16:39.40 | carols | i hope it helps you bring new contriutors into your community even without gsoc |
| 16:39.46 | carols | *contributors |
| 16:39.55 | carols | no, honestly, everything looked great |
| 16:39.57 | ESphynx | yes some interested students already mentioned they might still work with us this smmer |
| 16:40.05 | carols | thatâs great to hear |
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| 16:40.15 | ESphynx | great. any issue with our disproportionate number of ideas vs. available mentors? |
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| 16:40.40 | carols | no. weâd prefer more ideas for the students to select from and then widdling it down based on what applications you get |
| 16:41.01 | carols | so that was fine |
| 16:41.09 | ESphynx | last question... would Google perhaps consider at one point teaming up with other big organizations to be able to offer more organizations / more students? |
| 16:41.21 | carols | yes, we do umbrellas every year |
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| 16:41.35 | carols | is there a âbigâ org your organization is already working with or closely aligned with? |
| 16:41.47 | carols | weâd be happy to offer them more slots this year to umbrella you if so |
| 16:41.47 | ESphynx | sorry, that's not what I meant |
| 16:41.52 | carols | oh, okay |
| 16:41.52 | ESphynx | to we might look at that as wel |
| 16:42.07 | carols | okay, then maybe i misunderstood |
| 16:42.08 | ESphynx | I meant teaming up with another org who want to back open-source projects |
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| 16:42.33 | carols | you mean like another organization offering a summer of code-like program? |
| 16:42.35 | ESphynx | so that GSoC would become a 'bigger' thing with more funding so that it would have less hard cutting to do |
| 16:42.42 | scorche|sh | org meaning company willing to put forward resources - that question you answer each summit ;) |
| 16:42.44 | ESphynx | yes. |
| 16:42.56 | carols | okay, wait, iâm still confused :-) |
| 16:43.09 | ESphynx | let's say IBM |
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| 16:43.29 | ESphynx | IBM + Google Summer of Code ... and it coudl allow to keep funding previous projects and do new ones. |
| 16:43.30 | carols | if IBM offers a summer of code-like program, youâre more than welcome to work with them |
| 16:43.34 | carols | OHHH |
| 16:43.38 | ESphynx | teaming up |
| 16:43.39 | carols | you mean like a co-branding? |
| 16:43.41 | carols | i see |
| 16:43.45 | ESphynx | I'm not aware of any other org doing a summre of code :) yeah |
| 16:43.46 | carols | no, we donât do that :-) |
| 16:44.04 | carols | if IBM wants to offer âIBM Summer of Codeâ we encourage them to do that |
| 16:44.08 | carols | i hope they do :-) |
| 16:44.14 | carols | but we donât co-brand gsoc |
| 16:44.21 | ESphynx | just thought maybe that could be something interesting to not dissappoint orgs . given the number of cuts this year of existing project and numerious disappointments. |
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| 16:44.33 | ESphynx | thanks for all the feedback. |
| 16:44.35 | carols | i would love it if more companies offered summer of code-like programs! |
| 16:44.53 | carols | iâll say that in a logged channel in the hopes we see more of it |
| 16:44.55 | ESphynx | that would be good too, let me know if you there are any others. |
| 16:45.06 | carols | well, thereâs outreach program for women |
| 16:45.20 | carols | and ESA did a summer of code like program a couple times iâm aware of |
| 16:45.23 | carols | thereâs more out there |
| 16:45.27 | carols | you can look around for them |
| 16:45.32 | carols | youâre welcom |
| 16:45.34 | carols | *welcome |
| 16:45.42 | carols | i hope you folks will apply again in a future year |
| 16:45.48 | ESphynx | we will. thanks again. cheers. have a great day. |
| 16:45.51 | carols | cheers |
| 16:45.54 | carols | !nextinline |
| 16:45.54 | gsocbot | carols: Next in line is Glasslab_Lori with notice: Glasslab_Lori GlassLab |
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| 16:46.20 | scorche|sh | Glasslab_Lori: are you there? - you didnt respond to my PMs... |
| 16:46.33 | carols | Glasslab_Lori: i can wait a minute |
| 16:46.38 | carols | ill look everything over |
| 16:46.42 | carols | then weâll see if youâre here :-) |
| 16:46.46 | Glasslab_Lori | do you have specific feedback/suggestions on our applicatation and ideas page? |
| 16:47.25 | Glasslab_Lori | http://about.glasslabgames.org/community/summer-of-code/ |
| 16:47.27 | carols | yes, so your ideas page is well formatted |
| 16:47.39 | carols | and i imagine you only planned to accept a couple students? |
| 16:47.47 | Glasslab_Lori | yes |
| 16:47.49 | carols | but we would have liked to see at least a couple more ideas on there |
| 16:47.57 | carols | itâs a little bit short :-/ |
| 16:48.15 | carols | but thatâs really just a small factor |
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| 16:48.45 | Glasslab_Lori | is there a big factor? |
| 16:49.00 | carols | yeah, we just didnât have enough space for all the worthy orgs this year |
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| 16:49.22 | carols | the rest of your application looks good |
| 16:49.32 | carols | i hope youâll consider applying in a future year |
| 16:49.41 | Glasslab_Lori | great thanks, we will |
| 16:49.49 | carols | youâre welcome |
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| 16:49.55 | carols | have a nice summer :-) |
| 16:50.06 | carols | !nextinline |
| 16:50.07 | gsocbot | carols: Next in line is mike5w3c with notice: mike5w3c W3C http://www.w3.org/2015/02/gsoc-2015.html#ideas |
| 16:50.08 | *** mode/#gsoc [-v+v Glasslab_Lori mike5w3c] by kblin |
| 16:50.16 | mike5w3c | hi carols |
| 16:50.20 | carols | hi mike5w3c |
| 16:50.26 | carols | just a sec iâll take a look at your ideas page |
| 16:50.32 | mike5w3c | k |
| 16:50.50 | carols | your ideas page kinda loses steam near the end :-) |
| 16:51.00 | mike5w3c | ok |
| 16:51.03 | carols | the first few ideas are well fleshed out and then they get a bit more sparse there |
| 16:51.05 | mike5w3c | takes a look at it |
| 16:51.21 | carols | the formatting looks good, please keep that |
| 16:51.31 | carols | but thereâs a few ideas on there that could use a bit more thought |
| 16:51.56 | mike5w3c | so perhaps we should have trimmed it down a bit? |
| 16:52.02 | carols | up to you |
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| 16:52.13 | carols | either less ideas with more depth or more ideas with more depth :-) |
| 16:52.21 | mike5w3c | ok |
| 16:52.29 | carols | i mean, weâd still like to give the students some options when choosing |
| 16:52.31 | mike5w3c | did the testing-related ideas look good? |
| 16:52.34 | mike5w3c | ok |
| 16:52.39 | carols | yeah, thatâs fine with us |
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| 16:52.58 | carols | and anyway, thereâs also the matter of we just didnât have space for all the orgs we wanted to accept this year |
| 16:53.06 | carols | and unfortunately your orgâs was one of them |
| 16:53.09 | mike5w3c | so that's a question I have |
| 16:53.21 | carols | sure |
| 16:53.26 | mike5w3c | what distinguished the orgs that made the cut? |
| 16:53.31 | mike5w3c | I mean in general |
| 16:53.36 | mike5w3c | if there was a pattern |
| 16:53.45 | mike5w3c | I realize a lot of this is case by case |
| 16:53.51 | mike5w3c | but if you could generalize |
| 16:53.58 | mike5w3c | any generalizations you could make |
| 16:54.06 | carols | well, we always try to select for breadth of org options for the students |
| 16:54.14 | mike5w3c | nods |
| 16:54.17 | carols | so we try to get as many different kinds of projects as possible |
| 16:54.32 | carols | and then, of course, we try to get the new, small orgs who have never participated before |
| 16:54.50 | carols | but mostly we want the widest variety instead of a lot of orgs for one topic area |
| 16:54.50 | mike5w3c | ok that makes a lot of sense, yeah |
| 16:55.00 | carols | cool :-) |
| 16:55.02 | mike5w3c | but I see a lot of orgs that made the cut that aren't small too |
| 16:55.06 | carols | true. |
| 16:55.12 | carols | theyâre not _all_ small. |
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| 16:55.20 | mike5w3c | so what distinguished the bigger orgs? |
| 16:55.25 | mike5w3c | the well-known orgs |
| 16:55.40 | carols | it really depends on the org and the ideas page. |
| 16:55.43 | mike5w3c | ok |
| 16:55.51 | carols | iâm sure you saw we rejected a lot of orgs that have participated many years in the past. |
| 16:55.58 | mike5w3c | yup |
| 16:56.00 | carols | so it was really a case-by-case basis. |
| 16:56.03 | mike5w3c | like Mozilla |
| 16:56.06 | carols | indeed. |
| 16:56.08 | mike5w3c | that one was a surprise |
| 16:56.25 | carols | itâs disappointing for us to reject anyone :-( |
| 16:56.32 | carols | i wish we could have accepted 416 orgs. |
| 16:56.33 | mike5w3c | I'm sure it's hard |
| 16:56.39 | carols | yes, it is. |
| 16:56.51 | carols | anyway, any other questions for me? |
| 16:57.08 | mike5w3c | well just about testing as a idea |
| 16:57.18 | mike5w3c | as a class of projects |
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| 16:57.42 | carols | weâre okay with it, so long as the product is still going to be open source code. |
| 16:57.44 | mike5w3c | one question we had early on was if you would consider writing test cases to be a suitable project |
| 16:57.48 | mike5w3c | ok |
| 16:57.53 | carols | yeah, generally. |
| 16:58.02 | carols | it of course always depends :-) |
| 16:58.23 | mike5w3c | we didn't actually propose test-case writing this time anyway -- all the testing proposaals we did were coding for infrastructur |
| 16:58.29 | mike5w3c | anyway, thanks for the feedback |
| 16:58.30 | carols | thatâs okay |
| 16:58.36 | carols | i hope youâll try again next year! |
| 16:58.36 | mike5w3c | and thanks for this meeting |
| 16:58.39 | mike5w3c | much aprpeciated |
| 16:58.40 | carols | youâre welcome |
| 16:58.42 | mike5w3c | cheers |
| 16:58.44 | carols | have a nice rest of the day |
| 16:58.48 | carols | !nextinline |
| 16:58.48 | gsocbot | carols: Next in line is Gentoo_Calchan with notice: Gentoo_Calchan Gentoo https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2015/Ideas |
| 16:58.50 | *** mode/#gsoc [-v+v mike5w3c Gentoo_Calchan] by kblin |
| 16:58.52 | carols | hi Gentoo_Calchan |
| 16:58.55 | Gentoo_Calchan | hi Carol, I just wanted to know if something was wrong with our application this year or if you had any comments on it |
| 16:59.19 | scorche|sh | Hi folks - we are coming to the end of the meeting here - if you are waiting to participate, please see the topic for instructions to queue up. If you are not queued ASAP, we will not be getting to you in this meeting. |
| 16:59.34 | scorche|sh | carols: this is the last org (unless kblin counts) |
| 16:59.42 | carols | okay thanks scorche|sh |
| 17:00.02 | carols | Gentoo_Calchan: yeah, iâm sorry that this is going to be disappointing |
| 17:00.12 | carols | but this was just us trying to make way for new orgs this year :-( |
| 17:00.21 | carols | i donât see anything wrong with your ideas page or application, it looks good |
| 17:00.25 | Gentoo_Calchan | I supposed so but I was asking just in case |
| 17:00.29 | Gentoo_Calchan | one discussion we had after our rejection is if we should keep focusing on doing GSoC to attract contributors as we've been doing, or focus more on having projects actually be implemented, and how much you cared about it |
| 17:00.42 | carols | oh, hm. |
| 17:00.53 | carols | well, iâll say that wasnât a factor in this rejection |
| 17:01.14 | carols | having said that, we in general like to see more new developers instead of the same ones year over year |
| 17:01.28 | carols | weâd prefer gsoc was used to attract new members of the community |
| 17:01.45 | carols | but like i said, that wasnât a factor in your case |
| 17:01.47 | Gentoo_Calchan | ah, thanks, that clears up a tough discussion we had :o) |
| 17:01.53 | Gentoo_Calchan | thanks a lot |
| 17:02.05 | carols | but i hope having worked so hard on your ideas page helps you get some new contributors this year anyway :-) |
| 17:02.12 | carols | youâre welcome |
| 17:02.14 | Gentoo_Calchan | no more questions |
| 17:02.28 | carols | wonderful, i hope you have a nice rest of the day Gentoo_Calchan |
| 17:02.38 | Gentoo_Calchan | you too, bye |
| 17:02.41 | carols | !nextinline |
| 17:02.41 | gsocbot | carols: Next in line is kblin with notice: WorldForge http://wiki.worldforge.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code |
| 17:02.49 | carols | kblin: you wanted feedback? :-) |
| 17:02.56 | kblin | we can also take this via email |
| 17:02.56 | scorche|sh | Any last-minute additions? - please PM me ASAP |
| 17:03.12 | kblin | but I just wanted to know if it was just a numbers thing or if we messed up somehow |
| 17:03.20 | carols | kblin: no, you didnât mess up |
| 17:03.29 | carols | we just wanted to give some new orgs a spot this year |
| 17:03.41 | carols | and we hoped it wouldnât be a huge hardship for worldforge to take a year off |
| 17:03.52 | carols | ideas page and everything looks good |
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| 17:03.59 | kblin | sure, fair enough. we've had a good run so far, and will be back next year |
| 17:04.04 | kblin | no biggie :) |
| 17:04.07 | carols | awesome. |
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| 17:04.15 | carols | and i appreciate all your help with this meeting, kblin |
| 17:04.16 | carols | :-) |
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| 17:04.23 | carols | okay, iâm calling it done |
| 17:04.24 | kblin | my pleasure |
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| 17:04.27 | carols | cheers |
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| 17:04.39 | carols | ====END REJECTED ORGANIZATIONS IRC MEETING==== |
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| 17:04.39 | scorche|sh | wait - one more |
| 17:04.44 | carols | okay |
| 17:04.46 | BenBE | carols: Hope your wrists don't hurt too much ;-) Thanks for this meeting! |
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| 17:04.49 | carols | sure :-) |
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| 17:04.52 | scorche|sh | !nextinline |
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| 17:04.53 | gsocbot | scorche|sh: Next in line is eMBee with notice: eMBee pharo gsoc.pharo.org |
| 17:05.11 | carols | BenBE: let me check on this one |
| 17:06.18 | carols | BenBE: yeah, your ideas page and application looks good |
| 17:06.33 | *** mode/#gsoc [+v BenBE] by kblin |
| 17:06.36 | kblin | whoops |
| 17:06.37 | kblin | sorry |
| 17:06.44 | carols | thatâs okay |
| 17:06.50 | scorche|sh | it wasnt BenBE ... |
| 17:07.03 | *** mode/#gsoc [+v eMBee] by scorche|sh |
| 17:07.08 | eMBee | hi, i am not an organiser with pharo, just a mentor, so i'd just like to ask some general questions |
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| 17:07.12 | scorche|sh | eMBee: sorry |
| 17:07.17 | carols | eMBee: sure, go for it |
| 17:07.19 | eMBee | no trouble |
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| 17:07.29 | carols | weâll figure this out at some point :-) |
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| 17:07.48 | carols | this is for Pharo, yes? |
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| 17:07.51 | eMBee | can you tell me if pharo was just one of the to many, or if there were problems |
| 17:07.56 | eMBee | yes |
| 17:07.59 | kblin | I can't seem to properly handle tab completion at the moment |
| 17:08.10 | carols | eMBee: no, no problems that i can see. |
| 17:08.16 | carols | your ideas page and application looks good. |
| 17:08.17 | eMBee | ok, thanks |
| 17:08.22 | eMBee | one other question |
| 17:08.25 | carols | sure |
| 17:08.58 | eMBee | this is for FOSSASIA, since i made their ideas page (labs.fossasia.org) do you have any comments on it? |
| 17:09.27 | carols | let me check FOSSASIAâs ideas page |
| 17:09.40 | eMBee | fossasia was accepted, so obviously there were no real problems |
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| 17:09.58 | eMBee | but i am curious |
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| 17:10.16 | carols | um, is this the sme page from the application? |
| 17:10.28 | eMBee | it has been updated |
| 17:10.29 | carols | i remember it looking different when i was reviewing apps :-) |
| 17:10.50 | eMBee | sorry, yes, we moved it to labs.fossasia.org/ideas.html |
| 17:11.21 | carols | well, i can say the ideas on that page are not well-fleshed out enough |
| 17:11.30 | carols | the descriptions are too short |
| 17:11.38 | eMBee | they are all linked to subpages |
| 17:11.44 | eMBee | or do you mean that? |
| 17:11.53 | carols | but having said that, i still think we had a different page we looked at when we reviewed the application? |
| 17:12.17 | eMBee | not sure, i didn't make the application |
| 17:12.19 | carols | anyway, i canât comment on this page too extensively since this is the first time iâm seeing it this way |
| 17:12.36 | carols | but iâd say it probably needed to be fleshed out more |
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| 17:12.44 | eMBee | ok, thanks |
| 17:12.51 | carols | youâre welcome |
| 17:12.57 | carols | sorry, i can take that to email if you like |
| 17:13.06 | carols | if someone has follow up questions for FOSSASIA |
| 17:13.22 | eMBee | after the conference maybe... |
| 17:13.25 | carols | cool |
| 17:13.29 | carols | works for me |
| 17:13.34 | carols | any other questions, eMBee |
| 17:13.35 | carols | ? |
| 17:13.43 | eMBee | no thanks |
| 17:13.48 | eMBee | thank you for your time! |
| 17:13.49 | carols | cheers |
| 17:13.52 | carols | youâre welcome! |
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| 17:14.00 | carols | okay, iâm calling this meeting done |
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| 17:14.09 | nemesis-ninux_ | hey |
| 17:14.14 | carols | hi nemesis-ninux_ |
| 17:14.18 | nemesis-ninux_ | am i on time still? |
| 17:14.21 | MatthewWilkes | https://i.imgur.com/soyznKq.jpg |
| 17:14.29 | carols | you can just email for feedback, nemesis-ninux_ |
| 17:14.29 | nemesis-ninux_ | hi carols |
| 17:14.35 | carols | no need to do it here |
| 17:14.51 | eMBee | oh wait, remembered one: from the rejected orgs, how many had problems? just a few? |
| 17:15.08 | carols | eMBee: how many had problems? one their ideas page? |
| 17:15.16 | carols | iâm not sure i understand what you mean. |
| 17:15.19 | eMBee | with the application in general |
| 17:15.23 | khm | We emailed for feedback a few days ago, and got a paragraph that listed a few things, but they didn't seem to apply directly. Is there a way I can get slightly more specific feedback on our ideas page? (I know you guys are super busy.) |
| 17:15.26 | nemesis-ninux_ | @carols, sorry I haven't understood, you meant I should ask for feedback via email? |
| 17:15.36 | scorche|sh | nemesis-ninux_: the meeting is over - please email carols =) |
| 17:15.38 | carols | nemesis-ninux_: that would be great, yes, please |
| 17:15.39 | scorche|sh | yes |
| 17:15.41 | eMBee | since you said that for many the application and ideas was great, just didn't make the cut |
| 17:15.43 | nemesis-ninux_ | ok thanks |
| 17:15.50 | carols | eMBee: lots |
| 17:16.03 | eMBee | so i wonder if that was the case for most, or were there many with problems still? |
| 17:16.04 | carols | lots and lots had great ideas pages and applications and still didnât get accepted. |
| 17:16.11 | carols | lots had problems too |
| 17:16.11 | eMBee | ok, thanks |
| 17:16.15 | carols | we got 416 apps |
| 17:16.18 | carols | we had everything :-) |
| 17:16.23 | thc202 | to get feedback by email does one need to belong to the organisation? |
| 17:16.23 | *** topic/#gsoc by kblin -> Google Summer of Code student applications will open on 16 March at 19:00 UTC | Org rejected? You can still email for feedback at ospoteam@gmail.com | For more information about GSoC please visit google-melange.com. |
| 17:16.29 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Any with broken ideas page URLs? |
| 17:16.30 | eMBee | half and half then? |
| 17:16.34 | carols | MatthewWilkes: yep! |
| 17:16.40 | carols | eMBee: i donât know the numbers. |
| 17:16.45 | carols | lots of everything. |
| 17:16.46 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: trauma much? |
| 17:16.46 | MatthewWilkes | one of us⦠one of us⦠|
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| 17:17.16 | meflin | object lesson :) |
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| 17:17.30 | bePolite | Hello |
| 17:17.33 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: Some people dye their hair into patterns, some people wear smoking jackets and play music, this is my thing. |
| 17:17.35 | eMBee | well then, thanks again. |
| 17:17.41 | carols | youâre welcome. |
| 17:17.42 | downey | Hello, bePolite |
| 17:17.49 | eMBee | gets to work on that ideas page |
| 17:17.55 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: :) |
| 17:18.03 | jay___ | Hello :-) |
| 17:18.30 | carols | hi jay___ |
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| 17:18.58 | nemesis-ninux_ | mail sent |
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| 17:19.20 | kathy | Maybe no org is interested in developing with Microsoft technologies |
| 17:19.52 | sharky93 | kathy: i think CloudCV uses lots of Azure |
| 17:20.24 | kathy | any more examples? |
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| 17:21.10 | ESphynx | later folks. see you all next year :) All the best for this year's GSoC! |
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| 17:21.56 | appleseed_franz | thanks for the meeting everyone, see you next year |
| 17:22.14 | sharky93 | kathy: sorry, not aware of any more |
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| 17:22.39 | garvitdelhi | !logs |
| 17:22.39 | gsocbot | garvitdelhi: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 17:22.42 | kblin | kathy: does Wine count? |
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| 17:23.06 | kathy | kblin: which technology do they use? |
| 17:23.19 | kblin | the whole win32 api? |
| 17:23.35 | kblin | their own implementation, arguably ;) |
| 17:23.47 | kathy | More precisely, I was talking about things like the .net framework |
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| 17:23.57 | kblin | ew |
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| 17:24.39 | nemesis-ninux_ | bye bye, good luck with gsoc 2015 |
| 17:24.41 | kblin | ok, for .net I'd be worried about potential SW patent mine fields, but I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV |
| 17:24.42 | kathy | ? |
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| 17:25.11 | kblin | though the latter might be fun.. |
| 17:25.15 | kragniz | kathy: some projects may be using mono |
| 17:25.26 | kathy | kblin: :-) |
| 17:25.41 | kathy | kragniz: maybe. |
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| 17:26.17 | kathy | kblin: are you a mentor, or do you represent some org in gsoc? |
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| 17:27.14 | kblin | kathy: yes? |
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| 17:27.53 | cave | !queue Freifunk http://wiki.freifunk.net/Ideas |
| 17:27.55 | kathy | I just wanted to know if you're a mentor, a student or an org representative? |
| 17:28.02 | kblin | so as a disclaimer, I've worked in bunch of projects where the relationship with microsoft has been complicated, historically |
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| 17:28.19 | carols | cave: i would recommend instead you just email for feedback |
| 17:28.24 | kblin | cave: too late, I'm afraid :) feel free to email, address is in the topic |
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| 17:29.03 | kblin | kathy: so I am org admin for Samba, and I'm not sure if I'll be a mentor this year, as that depends on the applications we get |
| 17:29.06 | kathy | kblin: it's just a friendly question. I'm not one of the microsoft people myself :-) |
| 17:29.20 | kblin | I used to be a student like a decade ago... |
| 17:30.01 | cave | it's okay... i saw nemesis-ninux, and wait for his mail response |
| 17:31.22 | davideschiera | !showqueue |
| 17:31.22 | kblin | kathy: I know a bunch of really, really nice and competent people at microsoft. :) |
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| 17:31.46 | kblin | folks, the meeting is over, queueing and queue-related commands are off again |
| 17:32.00 | kathy | kblin: like the C# designer andy? |
| 17:32.15 | kblin | kathy: nah, SMB/CIFS related stuff |
| 17:32.41 | kblin | some other of their server people |
| 17:33.04 | kathy | kblin: you seem to have worked with some really minded people |
| 17:33.51 | kblin | yup, most of them in FOSS ;) |
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| 17:34.59 | kathy | kblin: k.......bye and thanks |
| 17:35.30 | kblin | GSoC is a really great start for that. I've met tons of interesting people through work related to GSoC :) |
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| 17:37.12 | kblin | and with that shameless plug for GSoC, I'm off to hunt dinner :) |
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| 17:38.34 | carols | thanks again kblin |
| 17:38.51 | kblin | carols: my pleasure as always |
| 17:38.54 | carols | :-) |
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| 17:39.50 | Nilabhra | rough day carols? |
| 17:40.00 | carols | Nilabhra: not nearly as bad as previous years. |
| 17:40.05 | carols | this was a significant upgrade |
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| 17:40.12 | carols | still had to deliver a lot of disappointing news |
| 17:40.29 | carols | but at least it was more spread out and not as much today |
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| 17:41.31 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
| 17:41.35 | Nilabhra | carols: well really appreciate you doing this :) I am a student by the way. Looking forward to contributing to OncoBlocks :) they have a nice agenda |
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| 17:41.47 | carols | Nilabhra: good luck with your application |
| 17:42.15 | Nilabhra | thanks carols :) you should get some rest now |
| 17:42.27 | carols | iâm okay, but thanks for saying so :-) |
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| 17:44.16 | Nilabhra | anytime carols |
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| 17:48.45 | foobarbaz | The FAQ says that a student might submit up to five proposals. What happens if two or more are accepted? I know that only one will actually proceed, but who chooses which one? Is it correct that we students cannot set any preferences in that case? Absolutely comprehensible, just asking. |
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| 17:49.53 | kblin | foobarbaz: depends |
| 17:50.10 | kblin | foobarbaz: the orgs might ask you, they might just decide between themselves |
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| 17:51.20 | foobarbaz | kblin: okay, sounds reasonable. I think the advantages of applying for multiple positions are greater than the disadvantages of getting a different position than your favorite one. Thank you! |
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| 17:56.01 | kblin | that is assuming you can write multiple applications that are just as good as a single one, yes |
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| 18:07.40 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
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| 18:12.10 | amIReallyJess | Hi am a student interested in Google Summer of Code. The website says that accepted organizations were announced March 2nd but I am unable to find the list. |
| 18:13.22 | carols | amIReallyJess: itâs linked from the front page |
| 18:13.28 | carols | take another look |
| 18:13.33 | CFS-MP3 | amIReallyJess That link that says "See all 137 mentoring organizations" seems promising |
| 18:13.41 | CFS-MP3 | (home page) |
| 18:13.47 | aerophile | the link is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2015 |
| 18:14.03 | amIReallyJess | ahhh thanks |
| 18:14.06 | amIReallyJess | :) |
| 18:14.19 | aerophile | np |
| 18:15.15 | mspo | wc |
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| 18:15.33 | gsoc296 | Hi, I wanted to know about the Student ALlocation procedure. If I submit five proposals and all are accepted will I be allocated in a newer org or a smaller org, will I get a chance to select which one I'd prefer working with? |
| 18:15.55 | carols | gsoc296: nope |
| 18:15.57 | carols | they choose |
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| 18:16.06 | carols | so i will tell you, donât apply for any org you donât want to work with |
| 18:17.20 | CFS-MP3 | gsoc296 5 half assed proposals is pretty much asking for not being accepted anywhere. Just one good proposal really takes time to write |
| 18:18.29 | darnir | gsoc296: The others here are right. You'll soon realize how tough it is to write even one really good proposal. |
| 18:18.46 | carols | i actually donât think weâve ever had a student whoâs been in a 5-way duplicate situation before |
| 18:19.02 | carols | i think the most weâve ever had was for 3 orgs |
| 18:19.11 | gsoc296 | so how is that tie resolved? |
| 18:19.18 | carols | between the orgs |
| 18:19.24 | kblin | we usually poker |
| 18:19.24 | carols | or in the dedupe meeting as a last resort |
| 18:19.42 | kblin | or if there's only two orgs, rock-paper-scissors is populer |
| 18:19.44 | gsoc296 | And, does it matter when the application is submitted before the deadline? I mean are the applications processed on a rolling basis? |
| 18:19.45 | kblin | *popular |
| 18:19.48 | gsoc296 | :O |
| 18:19.53 | kblin | ;) |
| 18:20.07 | kblin | well, the earlier the better, imho |
| 18:20.12 | kblin | but again this depends on the org |
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| 18:23.36 | gsoc296 | Okay, can a student know about the conflicts during the interim period or is that not revealed until 27 april? |
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| 18:24.18 | carols | gsoc296: you can't |
| 18:24.32 | carols | just submit one awesome application |
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| 18:24.38 | carols | then you donât have to worry about it |
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| 18:26.11 | gsoc296 | carols: Right, that sounds good! |
| 18:26.14 | carols | great |
| 18:28.35 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
| 18:28.45 | kblin | carols: rumour has it that there was a 6-way conflict back in 2007 |
| 18:28.54 | carols | kblin: ah, before my time. |
| 18:29.01 | carols | fair enough |
| 18:29.09 | carols | i can only speak from my experience running the program |
| 18:29.17 | kblin | but of course the work required to be selected was much lower then |
| 18:29.26 | carols | yeah |
| 18:29.46 | kblin | I sure wouldn't accept any of my own applications from back then |
| 18:30.45 | carols | the students who submit more than 2 proposals tend to be the ones that get no acceptances anyway |
| 18:30.49 | kragniz | kblin: six-way sounds rough! |
| 18:32.30 | kblin | yeah, dunno |
| 18:32.33 | darnir | We require all potential candidates to submit atleast a minor patch and have extensive discussions with their eventual mentors before submitting their proposal. |
| 18:32.51 | kblin | right, back in 2007, hardly anyone did that |
| 18:33.08 | darnir | Most candidates trying to write > 3 proposals, drop out of such an exercise. |
| 18:35.38 | drawkward | so one should write only one good proposal. is that the best strategy? |
| 18:36.00 | kragniz | I've heard people say that two is the magic number |
| 18:36.07 | kragniz | but that could be rumor |
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| 18:36.43 | kblin | dunno |
| 18:36.54 | kblin | I was accepted as a student three times |
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| 18:37.18 | kblin | and I wrote 4 applications total |
| 18:37.38 | drawkward | 4 applications in 3 years right? |
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| 18:37.44 | kblin | sure |
| 18:37.49 | kblin | not in one year :) |
| 18:37.58 | gevaerts | I'd say it all depends |
| 18:38.09 | gevaerts | If you write the perfect application, you'll get selected |
| 18:38.20 | gevaerts | So in that case you really only need the one |
| 18:38.27 | drawkward | kblin: can i get to see your applications? |
| 18:38.37 | gsoc296 | kblin, can I see your applications? |
| 18:38.44 | kblin | I wouldn't recommend it |
| 18:39.00 | kblin | as I said, I wouldn't accept a student with an application like that anymore |
| 18:39.04 | carols | gsoc296: have you looked at the sample proposals online? |
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| 18:39.09 | carols | that is the best thing to do |
| 18:39.21 | gevaerts | If you write applications that are merely very good, you'll be up against other very good applications, so you might miss out, in which case you might want two to compensate for that risk |
| 18:39.58 | drawkward | kblin: can you then describe how you went about doing the background research while preparing your proposal? |
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| 18:40.14 | drawkward | gevaerts: that sounds a good idea |
| 18:40.25 | gevaerts | Of course, the second one takes time away from the first one, so the mere fact that you write two applications means you now *need* two to maintain your chances :) |
| 18:40.52 | gevaerts | I don't think there's a general rule |
| 18:41.01 | Valodim | getting patches in beforehand helps a lot. it's a great way to get familiar with the codebase you'll be working with, too |
| 18:41.08 | gevaerts | The consensus is that five is *very* likely to be a bad idea though |
| 18:41.15 | gsoc296 | yes, actually for this year I was gonna apply for Mozilla and had done extensive research for the same and also fixed some bugs with Mozilla. Sadly, Mozilla wasn't accepted so I am a little confused. |
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| 18:41.52 | drawkward | Valodim: what if i have written a few patches but some others have written more patches? |
| 18:42.55 | Valodim | more impressive patches are always an advantage I guess, although it depends how much time you wanna invest |
| 18:42.56 | darnir | gsoc296: Look at it as learning experience. You now know how to navigate a new source base. |
| 18:43.08 | darnir | That should give you a leg up against someone else who is just starting out |
| 18:43.46 | kblin | drawkward: in 2005, I implemented NTLM crypto in Wine. As research, I basically read up on everything I could find about that algorithm, and found a thesis from one of the Samba developers describing the Samba implementation. so I proposed to use that for the implementation in Wine |
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| 18:44.44 | kblin | drawkward: all in all, perhaps 20 hours of looking through stuff on the internet |
| 18:44.46 | Valodim | when I was a student last year, I rewrote the entire database backend of the app I worked on as a patch :) |
| 18:44.53 | kblin | and because I was late, I didn't get a lot of sleep |
| 18:45.21 | Valodim | that took a very long time, but worked out. conversely though, if they hadn't selected me I would have been extremely diappointed |
| 18:45.27 | kblin | but yes, patches help a lot, because they prove that you at least have been able to a) build the code b) find a bug c) fix it |
| 18:45.47 | kblin | you'd be amazed how many people fail at step a) |
| 18:45.55 | Valodim | oh yes |
| 18:47.15 | drawkward | kblin: i have been working with one organisation for 2 months now. i dont think i could get that much of understanding another organisation given the time constraints. so should i think of a second proposal? |
| 18:48.01 | kblin | if you feel you can't do a proper job, don't |
| 18:48.09 | kblin | waste of everybody's time |
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| 21:05.17 | pancake | hey, can we ask for the reasons of not being accepted now? |
| 21:05.50 | meflin | the meeting is long over .. try email |
| 21:06.36 | pancake | to which address, ive been really busy at work and with family during the few hours the meeting was done |
| 21:06.53 | pancake | same for other members of the organization |
| 21:06.57 | pancake | where to send the mail? |
| 21:07.59 | gevaerts | pancake: see the topic :) |
| 21:08.14 | scribblemaniac | !next |
| 21:08.15 | gsocbot | scribblemaniac: "next" is IRC feedback meeting for rejected organizations on March 6th at 16:00 UTC |
| 21:08.25 | pancake | ok thanks :) |
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| 21:11.54 | olly | The rejection email also had those details |
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| 21:12.15 | crowell | the rejection email is super generic |
| 21:13.26 | gevaerts | crowell: the email address *is* generic |
| 21:13.57 | crowell | ?? |
| 21:13.59 | olly | crowell: the details of the address to email for feedback |
| 21:14.34 | olly | Which is the same address for everyone |
| 21:15.01 | olly | And indeed for general contact with the ospo team |
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| 21:37.07 | carols | serves some afternoon coffee and tea |
| 21:37.12 | carols | hope everyoneâs having a nice friday |
| 21:37.43 | meflin | mmm tea |
| 21:38.00 | carols | indeed |
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