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| 09:53.13 | xinomilo | can confirm this : https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3901 |
| 09:53.30 | xinomilo | testing/chimaera repo is in error.. |
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| 10:42.38 | fsmithred | xinomilo, thanks. I passed along the word. |
| 10:42.48 | fsmithred | How did the runit iso work out? |
| 10:43.00 | xinomilo | it booted just fine, no errors |
| 10:43.07 | xinomilo | qemu/kvm |
| 10:43.19 | fsmithred | do you know runit enough to poke around in it? |
| 10:43.25 | fsmithred | I have no idea what I'm doing |
| 10:43.28 | xinomilo | not much, just basics |
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| 10:43.59 | fsmithred | you got any thoughts on whether a live-iso should have autologin on the console or not? |
| 10:45.04 | xinomilo | wouldn't mind if it did, but using defaults (user/user, root/root) is enough for me |
| 10:45.21 | xinomilo | with some other distros you have to look up default logins each time :D |
| 10:45.36 | fsmithred | yeah, that's one of my pet peeves. |
| 10:45.55 | fsmithred | please don't hide the default passwords |
| 10:45.57 | xinomilo | aa, one notice |
| 10:46.05 | xinomilo | grub install is at fault |
| 10:46.20 | xinomilo | after installation, you have to run : apt -f install to finish completely |
| 10:46.27 | fsmithred | ?" |
| 10:46.33 | fsmithred | what's missing? |
| 10:47.03 | xinomilo | not sure, but i'm guessing installer doesn't finish correctly in grub (?) |
| 10:47.08 | fsmithred | I didn't have to do that. It worked for me. |
| 10:47.31 | xinomilo | run apt update after booting in installed system and got this error about grub |
| 10:47.36 | fsmithred | if you did a bios install, you should have clicked on "Copy files" |
| 10:47.44 | xinomilo | i did |
| 10:48.26 | fsmithred | what was the error? |
| 10:49.22 | xinomilo | apt upgrade wouldn't proceed with upgrading a couple of other packages, apt would advise to run `apt -f install` and there grub would install correctly(?) this time |
| 10:49.58 | fsmithred | ok, thanks. If you could send me the error log, it would help. |
| 10:50.06 | fsmithred | should be in user's home |
| 10:51.47 | xinomilo | will do, but not right now... under heavy spam attack for the past days.. maybe other folks have noticed too... |
| 10:52.18 | fsmithred | gmail here. I don't see it. |
| 10:52.19 | xinomilo | postmasters should be busy atm.... |
| 10:52.27 | fsmithred | ok, later is fine. |
| 10:52.32 | fsmithred | thanks for testing |
| 10:53.13 | xinomilo | np :) |
| 10:53.34 | fsmithred | O |
| 10:53.41 | fsmithred | I'm trying another install now |
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| 11:13.41 | fsmithred | xinomilo, did you use msdos or gpt partition table? |
| 11:13.52 | xinomilo | msdos |
| 11:13.58 | fsmithred | ok, thanks. |
| 11:18.27 | fsmithred | you put grub in the mbr or in a partition? |
| 11:22.22 | xinomilo | mbr |
| 11:22.31 | xinomilo | and chose vda |
| 11:24.43 | fsmithred | I just figured out what happened |
| 11:25.38 | fsmithred | grub got updated in the repo and in the iso (grub-efi) but I didn't update the grub-pc debs that are in the iso (i.e. the files that got copied and installed during installation) |
| 11:32.24 | xinomilo | that was fast :) good to know it's sorted out.. |
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| 17:35.27 | neppu | Hello there. So, I'm trying to get PulseAudio to work with OpenRC (yeah, I know, a weird combo, but I'm just so used to PA that I can't completely get away from Poettering bullshit). Here is my code: |
| 17:35.47 | neppu | #!/sbin/openrc-runcommand_user="unpriveleged-user"command="/usr/bin/pulseaudio"command_args="--start --use-pid-file=true" |
| 17:36.22 | neppu | Yeah, whatever, no newlines. However, PulseAudio still runs under root for some reason. I've been trying to troubleshoot it for ages and just can't find a solution. Can someone help me out, please? |
| 17:38.37 | mason | neppu: Is the binary SUID? |
| 17:39.24 | neppu | Don't think so. I can still run /usr/bin/pulseaudio manually and it's launched as my unprivileged user, not under root. |
| 17:39.49 | mason | neppu: And are you specifying a user, not literally "unpriveleged-user"? |
| 17:40.05 | neppu | Yeah, I do. |
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| 17:40.56 | mason | neppu: For kicks, I'd want to duplicate the service with a shim shell script. |
| 17:41.55 | mason | Like, create a /usr/bin/fake.pulseaudio that has a something that sleeps five seconds in a loop or something, so you can distinguish between something OpenRC is doing and something PulseAudio is doing. Seems tough to pin this on PulseAudio. |
| 17:42.17 | mason | (And believe me, I'd be happy doing that normally.) |
| 17:43.28 | neppu | So you want me to create a shell script that sleeps for a few seconds and then launches PA just to distinguish whatever OpenRC is doing from whatever PA is doing? Okay, I think it's worth a shot. |
| 17:43.50 | mason | neppu: No, don't want it to have anything to do with PulseAudio. I want it to sleep in a loop. |
| 17:43.58 | neppu | Ah, alright. |
| 17:44.23 | mason | neppu: A next step, if you don't see the shell script running as root, might be to make the fake.pulseaudio capture environmental details and then launch PulseAudio, but start simpler. |
| 17:45.19 | mason | neppu: Even further into the future, if you don't see the shell as root but you do see PulseAudio ending up running at root, you can have fake.pulseaudio strace pulseaudio when it starts it. |
| 17:45.56 | mason | strace is strace -ftttTvyyo /tmp/pulseaudio.strace.out -s 4096 /usr/bin/pulseaudio |
| 17:46.06 | mason | strace -ftttTvyyo /tmp/pulseaudio.strace.out -s 4096 /usr/bin/pulseaudio |
| 17:46.07 | mason | doh |
| 17:46.10 | neppu | root 22787 0.0 0.0 7764 3268 pts/4 S+ 18:45 0:00 /bin/bash /usr/bin/not-pulseaudio |
| 17:46.13 | neppu | Still runs as root. |
| 17:46.32 | neppu | cat /usr/bin/not-pulseaudio |
| 17:46.33 | mason | kk, so, you can ditch PulseAudio from consideration. It's purely an OpenRC issue. |
| 17:46.34 | neppu | #!/bin/bash |
| 17:46.37 | neppu | sleep 500 |
| 17:46.40 | mason | Saves barking up the wrong red herring. |
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| 17:50.04 | neppu | Yeah I literally don't see what's wrong, I thought 'command_user="my-user"' will handle it but it doesn't seem so. |
| 17:53.52 | mason | A quick read of the docs leads me to that same conclusion. |
| 17:54.56 | mason | Hopefully someone more familiar with OpenRC will point out something obviously wrong. Sadly that's not me. |
| 17:55.18 | neppu | Thanks for trying though, at least you helped me pinpoint the issue. |
| 17:55.32 | mason | Sure. And if anything else occurs to me to try, I'll ping you. |
| 17:55.43 | mason | I'm boring and just stick with sysvinit here. |
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| 19:19.18 | alv_ | hi |
| 19:19.32 | fsmithred | hi |
| 19:19.38 | fsmithred | how you doing? |
| 19:19.59 | alv_ | fine thanks |
| 19:20.18 | alv_ | just testing the mattermost bridge |
| 19:20.40 | fsmithred | ok. I don't know what that is, but it's nice to see you. |
| 19:20.43 | alv_ | but i can only read from here |
| 19:20.56 | alv_ | but i can't write back from mattermost |
| 19:21.08 | alv_ | yes it's nice to me too |
| 19:21.32 | alv_ | how goes refracta ? |
| 19:22.16 | fsmithred | good |
| 19:22.26 | fsmithred | I made a live-iso with runit |
| 19:22.30 | fsmithred | and it works! |
| 19:22.36 | alv_ | wuaaaaaaa |
| 19:22.44 | alv_ | great |
| 19:22.59 | alv_ | i will try it out in the spare time |
| 19:23.06 | fsmithred | I'm uploading a revised iso right now |
| 19:23.14 | alv_ | Cool |
| 19:23.26 | alv_ | give me the link !!! |
| 19:23.33 | fsmithred | fun stuff is here: https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/ |
| 19:24.33 | fsmithred | there are a couple of chimaera isos there, too, but they're old. |
| 19:24.47 | fsmithred | I'll make new ones after beowulf point-release. |
| 19:25.07 | alv_ | this one it's the today :D r10_runit-20201027_1722.iso |
| 19:25.14 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 19:25.20 | alv_ | beowulf ? |
| 19:25.24 | fsmithred | give it a few more minutes to finish |
| 19:25.29 | fsmithred | yes, beowulf |
| 19:25.37 | alv_ | cool |
| 19:25.42 | alv_ | yes |
| 19:26.47 | alv_ | when come up the devuan new realese |
| 19:26.48 | alv_ | ? |
| 19:27.12 | fsmithred | in a week or two, I hope |
| 19:27.20 | fsmithred | just waiting for one more packages |
| 19:27.23 | fsmithred | package |
| 19:27.23 | alv_ | great |
| 19:27.28 | alv_ | what name ? |
| 19:27.35 | alv_ | distro name ? |
| 19:27.49 | fsmithred | devuan beowulf 3.1 |
| 19:27.59 | alv_ | ahh ok |
| 19:28.08 | alv_ | thanks |
| 19:28.16 | neppu | Hiya, does anyone know a thing or two about OpenRC here? Need help troubleshooting sth. |
| 19:28.32 | fsmithred | very little |
| 19:28.57 | fsmithred | say what the problem is and don't log out. Answer might come soon or later. |
| 19:28.57 | golinux | Hi alv! |
| 19:29.12 | alv_ | Hi golinux !!! |
| 19:29.15 | alv_ | :D |
| 19:29.25 | golinux | Have missed you! |
| 19:29.27 | neppu | Yeah, already stated the problem. Check the history if you're curious - http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/latest.log.html. |
| 19:29.40 | neppu | Ah, the trailing dot ruins it. http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/latest.log.html |
| 19:29.51 | golinux | Thanks for getting the themes back on the pad upgrade. |
| 19:29.53 | alv_ | @golinux i been very very busy on work |
| 19:30.16 | golinux | Let's take to pm |
| 19:30.58 | alv_ | @golinux i didn't upgrade the pad still !!!! |
| 19:31.01 | fsmithred | neppu, yeah, I did see that. I don't know a lot about pulseaudio, either. |
| 19:31.14 | neppu | Nah, not a PA issue. |
| 19:31.24 | mason | neppu: Might be worth asking on dng@ - might be more folks there who use OpenRC. |
| 19:32.42 | neppu | Not a big fan of mailing lists... |
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| 20:49.18 | alv_ | @fsmithred it's finished the uploading ? |
| 20:49.29 | fsmithred | oh yes |
| 20:50.08 | alv_ | stil the r10 ? |
| 20:50.10 | alv_ | yes |
| 20:50.19 | alv_ | :D |
| 20:50.32 | alv_ | i'll get it down |
| 20:51.12 | alv_ | it's a desktop or a server ???? |
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| 20:58.37 | fsmithred | alv_, it's a desktop. Regular refracta beowulf xfce amd64 with runit instead of sysvinit |
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| 21:11.30 | crashoverride | hey there |
| 21:12.07 | crashoverride | so I just setup devuan on a astonishingly fucking bad acer |
| 21:12.15 | crashoverride | and that's for an acer |
| 21:12.30 | crashoverride | there is NO way to make the touchpad work |
| 21:13.19 | crashoverride | the BIOS-looking UEFI in half englichinese has two options for the touchpad mode |
| 21:13.37 | crashoverride | Basic and Advanced |
| 21:14.15 | crashoverride | which should I use to get the slightliest chance of ever have a working touchpad? |
| 21:21.36 | crashoverride | never mind, the touchpad is deactivated by default |
| 21:21.49 | crashoverride | it gets activated via a keyboard shortcut. |
| 21:21.55 | crashoverride | fuck acer. |
| 21:30.48 | clort | most usb mice should work with devuan crashoverride |
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| 21:52.39 | HumanG33k | crashoverride, pretty sure there is an option somewhere in gnu/linux or grub to activate it. |
| 21:52.53 | HumanG33k | at startup i mear |
| 21:52.59 | HumanG33k | *mean |
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| 23:23.40 | systemdlete2 | #join /starlinux |
| 23:23.48 | systemdlete2 | sorry, got that backwards |
| 23:24.29 | systemdlete2 | anyway... |
| 23:24.37 | systemdlete2 | I thought I'd try out star linux just for the heck |
| 23:25.07 | systemdlete2 | Installed OK, pretty much the same procedure as devuan. But I can't get the dovecot server to work. |
| 23:25.53 | systemdlete2 | It complains it does not know about "imaps" --> I added that to a file in /usr/share (why is a config normally found in /etc suddenly in /usr/share??) |
| 23:26.10 | systemdlete2 | (all the rest of dovecot config is in /etc) |
| 23:27.22 | systemdlete2 | star's dovecot is at 2.3.4.1 |
| 23:29.26 | systemdlete2 | interesting. Crowz is another distro the same 2 people built, also based on devuan, but this time, beowulf specifically |
| 23:30.20 | systemdlete2 | star linux got a decent write-up on distrowatch, and it seems to be pretty good overall. |
| 23:37.24 | systemdlete2 | star dovecot is the same as beowulf. So it should work... |
| 23:37.35 | fsmithred | normally, stuff is /usr/share is the default and any changes you make go in corresponding files in /etc |
| 23:37.45 | systemdlete2 | agreed. |
| 23:37.46 | fsmithred | not talking about dovecot, just in general |
| 23:37.54 | systemdlete2 | again, agreed. |
| 23:38.18 | systemdlete2 | maybe I should saunter on over to something like #dovecot and ask |
| 23:41.07 | fsmithred | you installed the dovecot imap package? |
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| 23:41.47 | fsmithred | dovecot-imapd |
| 23:47.51 | systemdlete2 | how else could it be failing if I didn't have it installed? |
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| 23:48.12 | systemdlete2 | no worries. I am inquring at #dovecot. I think I see part of the problem already. |
| 23:48.29 | systemdlete2 | There is no "imaps" protocol, though there are places in the config where imaps must be specified. |
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