| 00:00.17 | crashoverride | #define we |
| 00:06.02 | david_sk | I've tried a couple of web browsers and they all tell me that the authenticity of the data could not be verified against the certificate. FYI |
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| 00:08.06 | david_sk | I was able to access it without problems a while ago, but I can't recall exactly how long ago that was. Maybe a couple of weeks ago? |
| 00:08.07 | meep_____ | Someone's trying to hack you |
| 00:08.08 | sgage | I am having no trouble accessing the Devuan website. |
| 00:08.38 | meep_____ | Is it possible to setup Devuan for ANSI art on the framebuffer? |
| 00:12.05 | pnd | meep_____: david_sk i would be surprised if any targeted or even untargeted attack was to blame here... |
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| 00:13.35 | pnd | if you can access tor tails heads, you likely arent being mitm/targeted |
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| 00:16.35 | openbsdtai123 | it is easy.. fbi |
| 00:16.59 | openbsdtai123 | wget logo.png ... chmod 777 /dev/tty0 ; fbi -d /dev/tty0 logo.png and voila. |
| 00:17.38 | openbsdtai123 | there is a bug with fbi and ioctl. this is linux, ioctl may give issue. |
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| 00:20.54 | meep_____ | Apt doesn't use tls |
| 00:21.03 | meep_____ | It verifies stuff out of band with gpg |
| 00:21.25 | meep_____ | Also mass collection is widespread now |
| 00:21.59 | meep_____ | Even just being a comcast customer all udp/53 network packets are intercepted and redirected to their own dns server for collection |
| 00:22.24 | meep_____ | And comcast has been known in the past to intercept http and inject ads |
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| 02:24.53 | mcr | https://debconf20.debconf.org/schedule/ |
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| 03:33.29 | golinux | mcr: Yawn . . . |
| 03:34.05 | meep_____ | How do i attend? |
| 03:34.18 | meep_____ | Hopefully I can do so without nonfree software like zoom? |
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| 09:27.19 | malade_mental | Hi all dev1ers! |
| 09:27.51 | malade_mental | I wanted to know if there was some debootstrap guide to install devuan from another distro |
| 09:28.45 | malade_mental | (i.e. debootstrap ...) |
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| 09:48.56 | gnarface | malade_mental: you just need the devuan version of debootstrap and it will work fine |
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| 09:53.01 | openbsdtai123 | hi guys |
| 09:53.21 | openbsdtai123 | sure... here the mega world most reliable technique to install it.... |
| 09:54.47 | openbsdtai123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.17 | openbsdtai123 | If you need a Grub to boot that deboostrap image, let me know, I can create you a tiny 15 mb iso hybrid with all necessary to install. |
| 09:58.45 | openbsdtai123 | http://openbsdtai123.scienceontheweb.net/devuan/ |
| 09:59.02 | openbsdtai123 | salut ... |
| 09:59.19 | openbsdtai123 | gnarface: this is likely better for new incomers to linux world.: http://openbsdtai123.scienceontheweb.net/devuan/ having bit basics of SH: |
| 10:02.50 | gnarface | openbsdtai123: i don't usually assume people asking about debootstrap are new incomers |
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| 10:09.55 | openbsdtai123 | deboostrap is teh most reliable way to install devuan |
| 10:10.06 | openbsdtai123 | there many bugs in the regular installers. |
| 10:10.19 | openbsdtai123 | installing kde is failing, fairly. |
| 10:10.54 | openbsdtai123 | I downloaded DVD 1 devan stable and it cannot install. I believe that new incomers have no other choice than using deboostrap. |
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| 10:33.52 | fsmithred | devuan-live isos and refracta isos have devuan debootstrap installed. |
| 10:39.38 | openbsdtai123 | the grub on the buster does not install properly on the stable devuan. this is a big drawback and big bug to fix. So incomers would run another OS, rather than looking how to boot it. |
| 10:40.30 | openbsdtai123 | I would recommend to go Lilo as well as workaround in the devuan installer. Since you have to be a clone of debian, you have no chances to modify the debian/devuan installer. Lilo is likely very good alternative for newers. |
| 10:40.45 | openbsdtai123 | (sorry stable, beowurlf). |
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| 12:45.48 | malade_mental | gnarface: wonderful :} |
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| 14:19.51 | FlibberTGibbet | how stable is ceres these days, please? |
| 14:22.10 | FlibberTGibbet | or is it chimaera? |
| 14:23.04 | crashoverride | chimeres. |
| 14:23.15 | FlibberTGibbet | right, thanks crashoverride |
| 14:23.24 | crashoverride | anytime. |
| 14:23.45 | FlibberTGibbet | reckon it's safe(ish) to try on a spare laptop? |
| 14:23.52 | FlibberTGibbet | currently running beowulf |
| 14:24.03 | crashoverride | honestly, from my experience, TIAS. |
| 14:24.09 | crashoverride | with this kind of issue, TIAS. |
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| 14:25.59 | FlibberTGibbet | yeah. i'll backpedal if smoke comes out the USB ports :) |
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| 14:39.16 | fsmithred | FlibberTGibbet, chimaera (current testing) is in pretty good shape |
| 14:39.53 | fsmithred | I have it on a T420 with xfce and it works. |
| 14:41.43 | fsmithred | FlibberTGibbet, there may be some tricky points if you upgrade from beowulf |
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| 14:44.06 | fsmithred | I had to remove libc6-dev and build-essential and then add them back later. When someone else did it a week later, it was slightly different. You may need to be creative with the package manager. |
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| 15:00.07 | FlibberTGibbet | thanks fsmithred. yes, just saw that with libc6-dev/build-essential. but otherwise seems to be holding its own -- using apt rather than apt-get this time around |
| 15:00.21 | fsmithred | cool |
| 15:00.52 | fsmithred | I had to also do apt install libgcc-8-dev=8.4.0-4 |
| 15:01.11 | FlibberTGibbet | 4TB of tex-related packages to upgrade too (zzzzzz...) :) |
| 15:01.27 | fsmithred | oh yeah, also removed libgcc1 first |
| 15:01.29 | fsmithred | yikes |
| 15:01.58 | FlibberTGibbet | i'll see what breaks next time I try to build something, and worry about those -dev packages accordingly then :) |
| 15:02.08 | fsmithred | sounds like a plan |
| 15:02.43 | FlibberTGibbet | could have been worse, I could have been updating a single library + dependencies in npm! |
| 15:03.04 | fsmithred | I don't know it |
| 15:03.54 | FlibberTGibbet | node package manager <- javascript libraries...built for folk who love downloading updates... |
| 15:04.06 | FlibberTGibbet | ...constantly |
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| 15:10.01 | FlibberTGibbet | appears to be working. or at least it's too late to back out anyway... |
| 15:10.19 | fsmithred | I'm confident you'll get there |
| 15:10.23 | fsmithred | well... |
| 15:10.30 | fsmithred | I didn't ask what your desktop is |
| 15:10.57 | fsmithred | anything other than xfce might give you other surprises. |
| 15:11.10 | fsmithred | de I mean. Any wm is probably fine. |
| 15:11.28 | fsmithred | there's no wicd in chimaera |
| 15:19.42 | FlibberTGibbet | oh, ok. generally use xfce in any case -- sometimes i3 when the spartan mood strikes... |
| 15:20.07 | FlibberTGibbet | had to go to mate on my mx laptop due to xfce vs. 4K display -- not a problem on this machine |
| 15:21.34 | fsmithred | connman or network-manager-gnome if you want gui wireless |
| 15:22.17 | FlibberTGibbet | great, will take a look. which works better for you? |
| 15:22.37 | fsmithred | tried both briefly. They work. |
| 15:23.01 | fsmithred | connman is probably lighter weight |
| 15:23.21 | fsmithred | n-m has a lot of extra plugins |
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| 15:24.34 | FlibberTGibbet | ah, ok. will give both a try and see what sticks. not as though public library/cafe wifi networks are much of an issue at the moment... |
| 15:29.24 | FlibberTGibbet | oh, that's not good |
| 15:29.29 | FlibberTGibbet | the dist-upgrade failed on tpm2-abrmd |
| 15:29.36 | FlibberTGibbet | which seems to be an init helper |
| 15:29.39 | FlibberTGibbet | :O |
| 15:30.51 | fsmithred | maybe just do upgrade first, or... |
| 15:31.13 | fsmithred | install tpm2-abrmd=2.3.2-1 |
| 15:31.20 | fsmithred | and then repeat the dist-upgrade |
| 15:31.41 | fsmithred | or remove it and install it after you reboot |
| 15:34.49 | FlibberTGibbet | ah, for some reason it stopped complaining about that. all more or less ok after reboot, and for some reason wicd is still there and running. |
| 15:34.52 | FlibberTGibbet | qualified win then |
| 15:35.17 | fsmithred | oh, probably the beowulf version of wicd |
| 15:35.28 | FlibberTGibbet | well, if it works for now... |
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| 15:35.55 | fsmithred | oh, 1.7.4+tb2-6+devuan1.1 is in ceres |
| 15:36.38 | FlibberTGibbet | ah, this is great. xfce 4.14 seems to handle themes a bit better -- dark everything now :) |
| 15:42.39 | FlibberTGibbet | thanks for the advice, anyway. |
| 15:43.01 | fsmithred | yw |
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| 18:09.43 | Junicchi | sup, i just fully switched to devuan |
| 18:10.04 | Junicchi | in debian i was using systemctl to hibernate, how can i do it in devuan? |
| 18:10.18 | meep_____ | Pm-something |
| 18:10.24 | meep_____ | Pm-suspend is sleep |
| 18:10.36 | meep_____ | So pm-hibernate is probably what you want |
| 18:10.55 | Junicchi | i don't have any binary starting with pm 0w0 |
| 18:11.05 | Junicchi | its not preinstalled i guess |
| 18:11.18 | meep_____ | Pm-tools |
| 18:11.22 | meep_____ | It's a script |
| 18:14.36 | Junicchi | yup, found them under pm-utils package |
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| 19:07.41 | mcr | meep_____, I don't know what they are using, but I don't think it's zoom. |
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