| 00:01.53 | Duvean | yep, I think is debootstrap |
| 00:04.36 | Duvean | https://pastebin.com/g20AsFY1 |
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| 00:20.16 | Duvean | two quick fixes... for anybody looking to get a devuan LXC container on devuan: |
| 00:20.20 | Duvean | https://pastebin.com/RySaLudT |
| 00:21.35 | stiltr | You can also just pull an image from images.linuxcontainers.org |
| 00:22.43 | stiltr | Glad you sorted out the fix though! |
| 00:27.36 | Duvean | cool, thank you for the heads up stiltr |
| 00:28.36 | stiltr | No problem! |
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| 10:52.26 | enyc | meows |
| 10:52.37 | enyc | wonders what problems-in-practice being found with devuan as desktop |
| 10:52.55 | enyc | also wonders what indications there are of devuan users / surveys, how popcon handled, and so on |
| 10:58.36 | gnarface | enyc: here's the packages you can't use: http://packages.roundr.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt |
| 10:59.18 | gnarface | er, sorry, i think it's supposed to be http://packages.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt |
| 10:59.24 | gnarface | (that's what it redirects to currently) |
| 10:59.59 | gnarface | dunno about the other stuff |
| 11:00.46 | enyc | uergh NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID hsts configured on the https:// version |
| 11:01.21 | enyc | ok so i can see explicitly disallowed paackages |
| 11:01.41 | enyc | fine but... more wondering how beowulf works for people, what sorts of niggels/issue still exist |
| 11:02.03 | gnarface | i haven't seen any problems with it myself |
| 11:02.28 | gnarface | chromium is crashing if you care about chromium, but that's also happening on debian |
| 11:04.44 | gnarface | i should say that i haven't seen any problems that are not also problems with debian |
| 11:05.30 | enyc | my ascii upgraded to devuan... still has weirdness with auto mounting |
| 11:05.47 | enyc | and device notes not populated in 10000000 microseconds etc. SOMETIMES |
| 11:06.06 | enyc | sorts of things that are likely related to udev/systemd behaviour differences |
| 11:06.23 | enyc | but would have to do new install etc to properly rule out still issue in new beowulf |
| 11:06.45 | gnarface | well there might be permissions related issues but those are typically what i'd consider "expected behavior" even if they are not what a systemd user would expect |
| 11:07.17 | gnarface | i wouldn't expect device tree population delays unless it was a hardware issue |
| 11:07.39 | enyc | hrrm |
| 11:07.45 | gnarface | but if it's eudev maybe you can find people here who know about it |
| 11:07.56 | enyc | didn't see that problem on the MXlinux (booting not using systemd) on another disk in same system |
| 11:07.58 | gnarface | if it's systemd-udevd, i recommend you try eudv |
| 11:08.00 | gnarface | eudev* |
| 11:08.32 | gnarface | ah, but another disk is the key factor here, i'm saying |
| 11:08.52 | enyc | definitely eudev 3.2.7-6 |
| 11:09.13 | gnarface | like for example, USB flash devices often have wildly variable initialization times, which would be not a fair comparison against a spinning-platter harddrive... |
| 11:09.27 | enyc | gnarface: these are 2 pata disks of same type on same controller ;p |
| 11:09.28 | gnarface | ... sometimes not even a fair comparison against other USB flash devices |
| 11:09.41 | gnarface | oh, well that's weird |
| 11:10.02 | gnarface | still sounds like it could be a hardware issue though, i'd be wary |
| 11:10.23 | gnarface | so far i haven't seen anything like that when mounting anything here |
| 11:10.26 | enyc | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=918590 |
| 11:10.45 | enyc | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=242689 |
| 11:10.50 | enyc | not the same but releated you get idea |
| 11:10.59 | enyc | this soert of elrro/message can clearly happen wider isse |
| 11:11.13 | gnarface | what is md0? |
| 11:11.20 | gnarface | oh, software raid |
| 11:11.25 | gnarface | that's why i'm not seeing this issue, probably |
| 11:11.56 | gnarface | hmm, though the end of that bug report, someone says that it's an issue with chrooted systems... |
| 11:12.23 | gnarface | they propose a workaround |
| 11:12.52 | gnarface | if you're doing something weird that should be your primary suspect |
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| 11:13.30 | gnarface | so far it's been really reliable for me |
| 11:13.47 | gnarface | i'm not using chromium though |
| 11:14.02 | gnarface | or suspend |
| 11:14.29 | gnarface | i just leave them on |
| 11:14.31 | gnarface | so ymmv |
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| 11:23.08 | enyc | gnarface: hrrm ecrypted root in standard way, not, imho, weird |
| 11:23.17 | enyc | gnarface: and its intermittent, probelm doesn't happen evryboot |
| 11:23.29 | enyc | but if it doesn happen it presisotnet, doesn't g away after a delay |
| 11:27.20 | enyc | meows |
| 11:55.15 | gnarface | well, it might be worth filing a bug report about |
| 11:55.41 | gnarface | though it would be good to have more test cases |
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| 12:07.05 | enyc | gnarface: yes and until i manage a re-install test hard to nknow where what to report |
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| 12:24.22 | jj54 | hello |
| 12:25.30 | gnarface | hello |
| 12:25.32 | jj54 | I want to install whatsdesk from snap, can I install snap on devuan? |
| 12:25.45 | jj54 | *snapd |
| 12:25.59 | gnarface | probably |
| 12:26.21 | gnarface | maybe not though |
| 12:26.32 | gnarface | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ |
| 12:26.36 | gnarface | you can search for it |
| 12:27.34 | fsmithred | enyc, add 'sleep 1' to /etc/init.d/eudev - https://bugs.devuan.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=483 |
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| 12:31.33 | Joril | jj54: snapd is in https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt |
| 12:33.53 | jj54 | ok thanks for the answer |
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| 12:37.19 | zatumil | where is snap downloading whatsdesk? |
| 12:46.56 | fsmithred | enyc, also see: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=21501#p21501 |
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| 13:45.24 | enyc | Ooooo devuan tracker |
| 13:45.29 | enyc | fsmithred: oOOoooo thankyou fer pointer |
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| 15:48.07 | enyc | fsmithred: put in same sleep 1s myself |
| 15:48.20 | enyc | fsmithred: will have to see on further reboots if gone awy.... would more feedback be helpful etc.? |
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| 16:40.09 | golinux | gnarface: Or https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt |
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| 17:33.40 | zatumil | Linux Mint drops Ubuntu Snap packages [LWN.net] https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/825005/6440c82feb745bbe/ |
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| 17:55.56 | brocashelm | ^ that is #debian-fork discussion, but...CANONICAL BTFO! |
| 17:56.16 | brocashelm | or #debianfork, w/e |
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| 18:49.01 | brocashelm | how do i get rid of this emoji bullshit on devuan? is it even possible? example (when you right click): https://tuxthink.blogspot.com/2019/09/inserting-emoji-in-gedit.html |
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| 18:49.59 | brocashelm | i get that when i right click xfce4's whisker menu (search box) or synaptic (search box) |
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| 18:56.23 | Leander | what exactly happens when you right click? do you get the context menu, or do you directly get into the emoji dialog? |
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| 18:58.01 | fsmithred | yup. context menu. |
| 18:58.53 | fsmithred | I went ahead and tried it. It really does put a smiley face in the search bar, and synaptic came up with no hits on the search. |
| 19:02.28 | Leander | ok but... what's the actual matter? |
| 19:03.25 | Leander | I'm trying here, and the search box works, as long as you search normal text |
| 19:05.52 | Leander | and these emojis are unicode characters, so they're already in whatever font you are using in your GTK theme |
| 19:07.12 | brocashelm | no, i meant the synaptic search box (ctrl+f) when you right click on it |
| 19:07.53 | fsmithred | is that different from clicking on Search? |
| 19:08.20 | brocashelm | where you type the text, but instead right click on it (such as if you wanted to copy/paste something) |
| 19:09.20 | fsmithred | yes it's the same, and yes I did that. I even selected an emoji and searched for it. |
| 19:09.55 | brocashelm | i would like to know how to disable that from the context menu |
| 19:09.55 | fsmithred | I agree that it's fucking stupid to have that there, but all you have to do is avoid selecting that item in the menu. |
| 19:10.12 | fsmithred | possibly with dconf-editor, but that's just a guess |
| 19:10.31 | fsmithred | I used that to get directories to sort before files in the file-selection windows |
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| 20:00.43 | brocashelm | i guess i'm just going to have to ignore it |
| 20:01.38 | brocashelm | really dumb that people can't just disable that out of preference |
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| 20:44.43 | golinux | brocashelm: I gave up on gedit years ago and moved to pluma. gedit familiarity without the more recent bs that's now being included. |
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| 20:54.18 | brocashelm | yeah, i generally use leafpad/mousepad for simplicity or geany for more advanced stuff |
| 20:55.08 | brocashelm | nano and vim are the cli versions i use |
| 20:57.01 | golinux | Then why torture yourself with gedit? |
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| 21:22.43 | brocashelm | which one is gedit? |
| 21:22.53 | brocashelm | geany? |
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