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03:01.45ujduwjduwjuwdjuwcups suddenly wont print anylonger
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03:03.07ujduwjduwjuwdjuw“Backend /usr/lib/cups/backend/lpd does not exist!”
03:03.13ujduwjduwjuwdjuwwhy is everything breaking?
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03:12.11furrywolfdid you upgrade something recently?
03:35.36ujduwjduwjuwdjuwfurrywolf yes
03:35.42ujduwjduwjuwdjuwlots of pkgs
03:35.58ujduwjduwjuwdjuwI got it working again by reinstalling stuff after removing a apt source
03:36.25ujduwjduwjuwdjuw/usr/lib/cups/backend/lpd was there though
03:36.32ujduwjduwjuwdjuwso I don't know why the error came up
03:39.11ujduwjduwjuwdjuwacc
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03:39.21ujduwjduwjuwdjuwwtf
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05:38.21Xenguy.oO( Happy Days, and it has nothing to do with millenials ... )
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06:47.40openbsdt1i123I created sda3 and sda4, on beowulf amd64, YÂ change signature, but then mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda3 doesnot find sda3 and besides it needs a reboot. mkfs.ext is broken on amd64, it hangs, but on contrary on i386, it works all the time.
06:48.06openbsdt1i123So, usually I take my live openbsd cdrom to make a clean format, I trust more.
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08:46.28premobossbloched at home by codiv-19. sub-teen ageer sons at home too. he always connected to youtube. teach him gently failed. now i must go to do a script to limit yoube daily time, i think to use cronto run some script that chech if timeslice is correct (ie: 10-12 and 15-17) if not, block the change /etc/hosts to redirect youtube to 127.0.0.1. i know how to do. what i miss, is to block the current youtube connection in case it is on
08:46.28premobossgoing. my idea is to sniff network connection (how to do?) look if it is to youtube and kill it. hany succestion, pleas? signed: near-to-be-desperate father :-)
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08:59.25ShorTieA good firewall has that built in
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09:05.45premobossShorTie, what can you suggest me? i can isntall on the "target" PC on onto a "homemade wifi router" i did, so no problems WHERE to install, just suggest me WHAT to install, thanks.
09:06.05meep_____premoboss: instead of using a firewall maybe you could try a more..person to person approach unrelated to computers
09:07.14meep_____He could always download tor
09:07.38meep_____Internet censorship is not very effective
09:07.56meep_____Even China with all it's manpower can't do it against their own urban youth
09:08.37premobossmeep_____, 8 y/o kid. person-to-person approch quite failed. unfortunately he has the same bad character he has when i had his age... but when i 2as kid, there was not the temtation of youtube. actually i ssh into his pc and disable youtube by /etc/hosts. he has not root password :-)
09:09.45premobossi dont want to censorship, i want to limit PC time. he should came out in the garden to do some bicycle tour not only sit down in front of pc.
09:09.57meep_____Heh. When I was that old I would go on google and try every single link until I found a proxy that worked
09:10.10meep_____But anyways iptables supports time-based rules
09:10.18premobossmeep_____, he still not so "nerd" :-)
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09:10.53premobossmeep_____, i was always so stipid at iptables. can you point me to some working examples?
09:11.05meep_____The man page
09:11.08meep_____Man iptables
09:11.09premobossok
09:11.16premobossi ll do.
09:17.16meep_____I would press F8 on startup and the teachers would start panicking thinking i hacked the mainframe or something
09:17.31fsmithredat 12:00
09:17.40fsmithredat> shutdown -h now
09:17.45fsmithredctrl-d
09:18.12fsmithredor at> ifdown eth0
09:19.02fsmithredrouter might have settings to limit connection times
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09:31.10ShorTieSmoothWall does
10:22.23specingpremoboss: you need to get better at capturing attention than youtube is
10:22.41specingWhich you can't do, goddamn megacorps
10:22.55premobossspecing, do you have kids?
10:24.05specingsadly not
10:25.22premobossspecing, well, it means you DOES NOT know what you are talking about. "kids administration" is a so difficul task. the "job of parents" must be learned on the field. im not complain you, i am just tell you what the reality is.
10:26.17specingI liked the approach my parents took
10:26.23specingThere was a PC but no internet
10:27.16specingPerhaps you can try that
10:27.18premobossthe magic to be father disappear around 4Yo of son, till that age, it is "the joy to be father". after that, it is only "the load to be father".
10:27.43premobossom doing a scriprt hatlimit internet to 4 hours a day and turn of at 9 pm.
10:27.55specingjust turn it off entirely
10:27.59premobossyes.
10:28.01specingDoes he actually need it?
10:28.10specingNo, I mean entirely entirely
10:28.20specingcancel your house's internet contract altogether
10:28.51cushwe want more than we need
10:29.40premobossspecing, the funny joke.
10:29.46specingpremoboss:?
10:30.01premobossyes specing ?
10:30.13specingAre you addicted to internet as well?
10:30.43premobossi am addicted, yes, but im am still able to manage myself.
10:31.01premobosscos im adult. kids are not mature enough to controll theyself.
10:31.03specinghah, addicts managing themselves...
10:31.05cushare you addicted to electricity specing ?
10:31.24premobosscush, BWHAWHWAHHWAHWAHAWHWA you are right!
10:31.36specingpremoboss: just turn of his internet entirely, then
10:31.51specingspecing | Does he actually need it?
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10:32.15cushspecing is planting the wrong questions into your head, premoboss - don't listen to him
10:32.23specingooooh, I have an even better idea
10:32.28specingso evil
10:32.36specingpremoboss: limit internet to 50 KB/s :D
10:32.37premobosscush, yes, he is sarcastic/ironical, i got it, thanks
10:33.17cushyou know your relationship with son better than any of us.  back to devuan.
10:34.37onefangYeah, this is the Devuan support channel, not a parenting support channel.  Let's just discuss the technical problems, not the social ones.
10:36.07gnarfaceyes, i agree.  and that's frankly a much easier way out of this cleverly disguised attempt to force us to explain to you how to execute a MITM attack
10:36.43cushanyone interested in devuan on mobile is welcome to check out maemo-leste.  i got a droid 4 running devuan + leste now and it's great fun
10:37.30cushhaving the same linux on phone and desktop.  it's great
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10:39.51premobossgnarface, hey man! no cracker here! i will block intenret access with cron and a script that terminate eth and wlan interface on scheduled time. before accuse someone, be sure you are right: take your suspects for yourself, thanks.. bye.
10:40.28onefangThat's the technical problem I meant.
10:40.37gnarfacepremoboss: and if you would like to join #debianfork i'll happily discuss at length with you how shitty of a parent you are in your hypothetically invented cover story
10:40.59gnarfacepremoboss: but i won't entertain the notion that i believe the lie.  your ploy is transparent
10:42.37premobossgnarface, if this is an attempt to send you picture of me and so to convice you that ia ma right, you are wrong. i dont share my son picture with (maybe) perverted and pedofiliac people.
10:43.13premobossson*
10:45.46gnarfacei can't even parse that almost continuous gibberish but i'm pretty sure that if it were something true you wouldn't feel the need to bring it up right now
10:46.06gnarfaceyou're really sick in the head and you need to stop
10:51.48cushgnarface: reviewing the chat, he just wants to crontab entry ifup and ifdown. where's the help-me-MITM-someone request?
10:52.54premobossgnarface, bla bla bla.. .ok, you discover me Sherlok! shame on me, oh God, fengive plaease! now i leave in you monolithic certainty, poor man.
10:53.30premobosscush, you are right. but i am doing by mysefl.. if youn need, i wll copy and paste yoo you if you need :-)
10:53.42cushpremoboss: maybe we can script something where after an interface logs > X megabytes of traffic it gets shutdown til next day?
10:54.02cushhow do i get a log of traffic on an interface anyway.
10:54.20cushwithout logging the actual traffic - just the kB every minute or something
10:55.14premobossno, i do better: if time is not in 10-12 or 17-19 hours, i will ifdown all the interface.s the script will cronotab every 5 minutes. io think is a good point of start to be refined ongoing. si i have not to blow my mind with iptables.. irt was always ostic to me iptables, unfortunately.
10:55.43cushyeah i learned a bit of iptables, then they changed it on me
10:56.39premobossi thin to add aslo tth check od day-of-week to be more contrlled (sleep late on friday and saturday)
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