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| 03:13.04 | Terminus6 | Hello everyone this is my first time here. |
| 03:15.31 | furrywolf | heyas! |
| 03:16.41 | Terminus6 | I've read the archived messages about chroots. I just need some simple guidance on how to get the debootstrap to generate the filesystem. I followed debians guide for schroot and debootstrap but only problem is when I replaced the url from debian to devuans -> http://deb.devuan.org/merged <- It works but to only a certain extent. debootstrap |
| 03:16.41 | cynicfm | yo |
| 03:16.41 | Terminus6 | initializes but once its finished it only generates a partial system. |
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| 03:22.35 | fsmithred | Terminus6, did you use debian's debootstrap or devuan's? |
| 03:26.14 | Terminus6 | Devuans, I installed it via aptitude on Devuans repo. I also created /srv/chroot/ascii -> then " sudo debootstrap --arch amd64 ascii /srv/chroot/ascii http://deb.devuan.org/merged " |
| 03:29.58 | Terminus6 | Then after that i get error message " Couldn't download packages: devuan-keyring initscripts libfdisk1 libprocps6 sysvinit-utils " |
| 03:30.52 | gnarface | Terminus6: how many times did you try? you might have just got a bunk mirror on the first try. |
| 03:32.09 | gnarface | there are only 13 mirrors in the round-robin. sometimes you get unlucky and catch one updating |
| 03:32.50 | Terminus6 | I only tried twice with that mirror. I'm gonna try a different one real quick. |
| 03:34.15 | golinux | Are you using deb.devuan.org in you sources? |
| 03:35.37 | golinux | NM. Sould read more carefully |
| 03:41.36 | Terminus6 | Failure trying to run: chroot /srv/chroots/ascii dpkg-deb -f VersionW: See /srv/chroots/ascii/debootstrap/debootstrap.log for detailsW: Failure trying to run: chroot /srv/chroots/ascii mount -t proc proc /procW: See /srv/chroots/ascii/debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details |
| 03:42.00 | Terminus6 | Wait... |
| 03:43.05 | gnarface | there have been issues in the past with specific packages being somehow allergic to debootstrap. usually in those cases you can just exclude them with --exclude, then install them into the chroot later |
| 03:43.18 | gnarface | try that if it always fails on the same package |
| 03:44.19 | Terminus6 | Sorry I posted that by mistake. Before that happened I had tried a different mirror and got further. It did generate a complete filesystem hierarchy like expected but why is giving me that message. It makes me think the chroot program tied chrooting right after it finished fetching the files. But okay i guess that makes sense gnarface |
| 03:45.41 | gnarface | Terminus6: the second error i'm not sure about... |
| 03:46.41 | gnarface | yea, it looks weird like another command got ran right afterwards but somehow the parameters of multiple commands got munged into something that wasn't expecting them... |
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| 03:50.15 | Terminus6 | Well I thinks I'm good now. Much appreciated for the help (y) Gracias Amigos |
| 03:52.07 | gnarface | no problem |
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| 03:58.19 | fsmithred | I've had trouble in the past using debootstrap with deb.devuan.org. Try pkgmaster.devuan.org for the debootstrap. Switch to deb.devuan.org afterward. |
| 04:02.42 | gnarface | hmmm, perhaps a good idea to try too, Terminus6 |
| 04:07.03 | Terminus6 | Well right now i'm trying to chroot into the directory but its saying " chroot: failed to run command '/bin/bash': No such file or directory " But I know the ascii directory is there i can obviously see it with ls. |
| 04:07.09 | onefang | In all my debootstrap experiments I either use deb.devuan.org, or sledjhamr.org, the later coz the debootstrap is running on the sledjhmar.org mirror, so will be quicker. |
| 04:08.27 | Terminus6 | I'm tring to avoid using schroot because it relies on the pre-made environments found in /etc/schroot/schroot.conf |
| 04:13.05 | Terminus6 | I think chroot is installed. I dont know why its not in the pathname. For gods sake its just a simple chroot! |
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| 04:16.25 | fsmithred | are you running beowulf or buster? There were some changes in su |
| 04:17.06 | Terminus6 | Im running on Devuan ascii. |
| 04:17.25 | Terminus6 | This is what i've been trying " sudo chroot /srv/chroots/asciichroot: failed to run command â/bin/bashâ: No such file or directory " |
| 04:18.04 | fsmithred | I've seen that error, but I don't recall what I did about it |
| 04:18.38 | Terminus6 | I know I have chroot installed but its acting like its not installed. Yeah its weird. |
| 04:19.53 | fsmithred | well, I just now did a deboostrap of ascii and chrooted into it |
| 04:20.05 | Terminus6 | Maybe its the mirror i used |
| 04:20.43 | fsmithred | I'm in beowulf. Don't know if that makes a difference. |
| 04:21.26 | onefang | I've been doing it in ASCII. |
| 04:21.54 | Terminus6 | I must be doing something wrong then. |
| 04:22.12 | fsmithred | not necessarily |
| 04:22.40 | fsmithred | I hesitate to say it, but I might have rebooted to fix that. |
| 04:22.46 | onefang | debootstrap --arch ${ARCH} --variant=minbase --include=init,makedev,apt-utils,apt-transport-https,git,etckeeper,rsyslog,swapspace,debconf-utils ascii ${WORK} ${MIRROR}/merged |
| 04:22.57 | Terminus6 | debootstrap worked when i tried a different mirror. Its just my chroot program. |
| 04:23.01 | onefang | ${WORK is the directory to build into.} |
| 04:23.24 | fsmithred | I need to sleep. Good luck with it. |
| 04:23.28 | onefang | mount -o bind /sys ${WORK}/sys |
| 04:23.34 | Terminus6 | Okay I'll do that |
| 04:23.38 | onefang | chroot ${WORK} /bin/bash <<- zzzEOFzzz |
| 04:23.43 | onefang | Then lots of other stuff. |
| 04:24.23 | onefang | But that's for an absolutely bare minimum, where my script does all the rest. |
| 04:35.32 | Terminus6 | Is there suppose to be any spaces on --include=init,makedev,apt-utils etc... because im getting this error message " unrecognized or invalid option --inlcude=init,makedev,apt-utils,apt-transport-https,git,etckeeper,rsyslog,swapspace,debconf-utils" I know theres not supposed to be spaces between the = sign but otherwise. |
| 04:35.56 | Terminus6 | oh i misspelled include. |
| 04:36.25 | Terminus6 | OKAY NOW ITS WORKING |
| 04:36.43 | onefang | You can probably leave out etckeeper and git if you don't want to use etckeeper. |
| 04:36.55 | Terminus6 | Just waiting to finish fetching |
| 04:37.04 | onefang | And swapspace if you want to use a swap partition instead. |
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| 04:38.27 | onefang | Swapspace does a swapfile that grows and shrinks depending on demand. I prefer that over a fixed size swap partition that is largely wasted space most of the time. |
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| 04:43.32 | Terminus6 | I know what swap is but I would to research how to actually create/implement it. Its learning and doing is definitely out of the comfort zone. |
| 04:44.06 | Terminus6 | Im not complaining |
| 04:44.26 | onefang | The other benefit of the swapspace package is you don't need to do anything other than install it. B-) |
| 04:45.14 | Terminus6 | Holy crap it worked. I just chrooted into it |
| 04:46.16 | Terminus6 | I'll look into it onefang. Thank you for your help |
| 04:46.24 | onefang | You are welcome. |
| 04:51.37 | hemimaniac | well I can happily report, installing beowulf from the mini .iso went off with out a hitch other then a tiny problem with sound with Cinnamon. I was suprised because of the mish/mash of components involved |
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| 10:07.29 | gour | gnarface: i solved it by overriding LC_MESSAGES when using update-locale - now there is no need to define LC_xyz env vars in my shell's config :-) |
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| 10:11.57 | gnarface | gour: oh, you probably could have fixed that by just installing the locales package. sorry, i didn't realize that was what you were trying to do. |
| 10:13.53 | gour | gnarface: i've locales package installed, but "forgot" that I can add desirted change (make exception) by adding LC_MESSAGES to update-locales cmd, since i want hr_HR for everything except LC_MESSAGES which I set to en_GB |
| 10:16.09 | gnarface | gour: did you need something that can't be set with "dpkg-reconfigure locales" ? |
| 10:17.34 | gour | gnarface: yes, specific LC_xyz variable which is exception |
| 10:18.21 | gnarface | i see |
| 10:18.33 | gour | iow. i want hr_HR (native) settings for date/time/money etc. but cannot stand reading LC_MESSAGES in native language since i'm accustomed to English for that |
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| 10:29.23 | GyrosGeier | IIRC the hierarchy is that LC_* overrides LANG, and LC_ALL overrides LC_* |
| 10:29.44 | GyrosGeier | so that would be LANG=hr_HR LC_MESSAGES=en_US |
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| 11:05.05 | gour | GyrosGeier: correct |
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| 15:57.21 | moiree | !last |
| 15:59.40 | moiree | gets http error 403 on deb.debuan.org since three hours |
| 16:00.01 | moiree | s/debuan/devuan/ |
| 16:05.38 | moiree | okay, rr addr is 190.64.49.124, name is r190-64-49-124.su-static.adinet.com.uy. |
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| 16:17.19 | moiree | Problem solved on my site by issuing: iptables -I OUTPUT -d 190.64.49.124 -j REJECT |
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| 16:47.13 | fsmithred | moiree, is you want to use https, just use a single mirror that supports it. |
| 16:48.16 | onefang | That mirror is having issues though. |
| 16:48.37 | onefang | https://borta.devuan.dev/apt-panopticon/results/LOG_deb.devuan.org_190.64.49.124.html |
| 16:52.07 | onefang | I've notified the man with the DNS-RR keys. |
| 16:55.30 | moiree | fsmithred: Thanks, but the protocol was not the problem. :) |
| 16:56.19 | moiree | onefang: Excellent! Thank you. |
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| 16:58.58 | onefang | https://borta.devuan.dev/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html (updated hourly) or https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html (updated every ten minutes) keeps track of the mirrors. Though they don't alert anyone yet, I haven't written that bit yet. Thanks for letting us know moiree. |
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| 19:42.36 | _abc_ | Sounds like Mozilla is going to throw in the gauntlet. Sooner, later, who knows. Does the devuan project have any alternate in view? Alternate browser which could possibly in the future take the place of firefox or coexist with it? https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/20/mozilla_eu_internet_regulation/ |
| 19:43.02 | _abc_ | Of course MacDonald cries crocodile tears but Mozilla IS the smallest of the companies discussed. |
| 19:47.04 | MinceR | i'm hoping the "modern" web collapses and is replaced by something sane |
| 19:55.15 | gour | MinceR: +1 |
| 19:58.21 | _abc_ | There are problems with that approach. Like, relying on the coronavirus for that. Because without that it's not going to happen |
| 19:59.09 | _abc_ | The Androlemmings on the street are helpless without fb twatter and web 3.0 generated data bubble. They'd turn panicked emo in 60 minutes of deprivation. |
| 19:59.35 | _abc_ | Back to devuan, is the project at least loosely following one of the open source hopeful browsers? |
| 19:59.48 | _abc_ | dillo I always install but it is a toy unable to follow js etc. |
| 20:01.18 | fsmithred | _abc_, links2 gets my vote |
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| 20:01.32 | _abc_ | text mode? |
| 20:01.40 | fsmithred | it will do that if you want |
| 20:01.46 | fsmithred | graphical mode |
| 20:02.01 | fsmithred | make the web look like 1995 again! |
| 20:02.22 | _abc_ | dillo does that already. |
| 20:02.43 | fsmithred | I haven't tried that one lately |
| 20:02.54 | fsmithred | brb |
| 20:02.58 | _abc_ | it's in debian so just install it. Talk about 1995 + Motif! |
| 20:03.24 | MinceR | that's fltk, not motif |
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| 20:05.51 | _abc_ | https://ibb.co/KhR7p75 |
| 20:06.00 | _abc_ | Yes correct fltk. |
| 20:08.49 | _abc_ | At least dillo does some CSS |
| 20:09.11 | MinceR | is that desirable? |
| 20:11.19 | _abc_ | Wait, what? links did js but not anymore? ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_(web_browser) |
| 20:11.36 | _abc_ | MinceR: CSS does remove some of the uglyness baked into plain html, to be honest. |
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| 20:12.08 | _abc_ | Also makes things usable. Like forcing scrollbars on a large table constrained in a div on a relatively small screen |
| 20:12.50 | MinceR | shouldn't the browser figure that case out? |
| 20:14.17 | _abc_ | It should but it does not. That is a separate chapter, I think. |
| 20:16.13 | _abc_ | <off topic>oooh BeOS lives on as Haiku! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku_(operating_system) |
| 20:17.01 | yeti | yipyip... |
| 20:17.15 | _abc_ | ? |
| 20:18.12 | yeti | 32bit haikus still is kind of beoscompaible, the 64bit variant is not |
| 20:18.57 | _abc_ | yeti: does it run nicely in a qemu or vbox vm? |
| 20:19.35 | yeti | I had it in qemu until I got a cleanup attack... |
| 20:19.49 | yeti | I'll installit again. |
| 20:19.57 | _abc_ | There's also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey |
| 20:22.34 | yeti | emacs needs a (better) browser |
| 20:22.37 | _abc_ | not in debian |
| 20:24.07 | _abc_ | Strange since SeaMonkey license is MPL/GPL/LGPL |
| 20:24.16 | _abc_ | Not compatible with Debian? |
| 20:25.57 | debdog | prolly just no one packed it. but you can get a binary on their site which runs on devuan. still a mozilla backend, though |
| 20:26.38 | _abc_ | As long as there is promise of open source it's acceptable. FF 52 was ancient I ran the ESR version of it for years. |
| 20:26.54 | _abc_ | That's what the non beta SeaMonkey is aligned with |
| 20:27.23 | _abc_ | Ancient FF version means problems with websites. |
| 20:28.08 | yeti | was it "iceape" |
| 20:28.22 | yeti | it was in debian... with a different name |
| 20:28.31 | yeti | so it was compatible... licensewise |
| 20:28.35 | _abc_ | Some fork of mozilla I forget, it was phased out because something political changed |
| 20:28.40 | _abc_ | Don't remember the details. |
| 20:28.43 | _abc_ | iceweasel too |
| 20:28.44 | MinceR | failfox was rebranded to iceweasel in debian |
| 20:29.10 | yeti | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_software_rebranded_by_Debian#Iceape |
| 20:29.14 | _abc_ | At some point there was an announcement and the next isceweasel update loaded firefox instead |
| 20:29.23 | _abc_ | and broke some things for me |
| 20:29.47 | _abc_ | I had to backpedal a bit and restore from backups because the monkeys online made the iceweasel old release unavailable for some reason |
| 20:30.35 | _abc_ | seamonkey is a 53MB d/l as binary for my system. |
| 20:31.01 | _abc_ | Nice to know it exists. But as the article said, in thereg, it's getting hard to keep up with the "chrome" optimized net. |
| 20:31.36 | _abc_ | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Timeline_of_web_browsers.svg maybe there's something else in here we can try |
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| 20:32.38 | _abc_ | What is Sleipnir ? |
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| 20:33.20 | _abc_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleipnir_(web_browser) no linux support |
| 20:34.06 | _abc_ | Japanese. Cute. |
| 20:35.00 | _abc_ | no kanji |
| 20:38.14 | debdog | what about konqueror or basilisk? |
| 20:38.28 | debdog | just to throw some names into the ring |
| 20:38.52 | _abc_ | Just found Basilisk. I am walking the right edge of the svg graph I linked above |
| 20:38.56 | _abc_ | top down |
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| 20:41.24 | _abc_ | Basilisk is also mozilla rooted, no? Goanna engine? |
| 20:42.05 | _abc_ | Pale Moon, also ff offspring |
| 20:42.43 | _abc_ | Wow Epiphany lives on. |
| 20:45.02 | MinceR | apparently konqueror still exists |
| 20:45.18 | _abc_ | sure. Just sucks. |
| 20:45.25 | _abc_ | epiphany is in the devuan debian channel |
| 20:45.26 | MinceR | didn't say it didn't :> |
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| 20:45.45 | _abc_ | I ran KDE3 desktop for 10 years because 4 is still not quite usable to this say. |
| 20:45.46 | MinceR | it couldn't even save an image it was displaying without downloading it again |
| 20:45.55 | MinceR | indeed |
| 20:46.06 | MinceR | there's a KDE3 fork called Trinity DE, but i don't know if it's still maintained |
| 20:46.26 | _abc_ | I heard about it. Xfce is my thing now. Worky. |
| 20:46.41 | _abc_ | Also lightspeed on modern cpu's. This one is 12 years old and still very snappy. |
| 20:49.32 | _abc_ | falkon seem to be in kde but not in devuan |
| 20:51.48 | _abc_ | The SVG claims konqueror died but lives on as Safari. Grr. |
| 20:52.21 | debdog | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otter_Browser haha, yah, feels like being in the zoo or on a safari |
| 20:52.36 | _abc_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qutebrowser this is interesting in some ways. |
| 20:52.50 | MinceR | lol @ safari |
| 20:52.58 | MinceR | too bad qutebrowser uses qt5 and even qt quick |
| 20:53.13 | MinceR | so not only is its framework a total pain to build, but it also won't render reliably |
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| 20:57.57 | _abc_ | Hmm Dooble is also Qt based |
| 21:00.04 | _abc_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eww_(web_browser) someone was asking for a decent web browser for emacs? |
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| 21:01.21 | _abc_ | netsurf looks okay? Also IS in devuan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetSurf |
| 21:01.24 | _abc_ | installs it |
| 21:03.46 | _abc_ | netsurf seems to be tolerable for now. Minimal CSS support but works on wikipedia, google, etc |
| 21:04.49 | _abc_ | netsurf feels a lot like konqueror due to gtk engine |
| 21:07.57 | debdog | netsurf not acceptable here. first shop I've tried fails https://www.voelkner.de/ |
| 21:08.40 | debdog | second shop, too https://www.conrad.de/ |
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| 21:10.15 | _abc_ | huh? |
| 21:10.21 | _abc_ | Is that a joke? |
| 21:10.34 | debdog | hmm, no. it works for you? |
| 21:10.38 | _abc_ | apt-get install netsurf |
| 21:10.55 | debdog | oh, still on ASCII here. mayhap that's the problem |
| 21:10.59 | _abc_ | note: NO javascript that I can see |
| 21:11.01 | debdog | outdated netsurf |
| 21:11.06 | _abc_ | debdog: I'm on ascii too |
| 21:11.15 | debdog | *scratches head* |
| 21:11.21 | _abc_ | 3.6 from 2016 is what I got |
| 21:11.53 | _abc_ | https://www.netsurf-browser.org/ |
| 21:11.57 | _abc_ | current is 3.9 |
| 21:12.23 | debdog | yah, same here |
| 21:12.26 | debdog | odd |
| 21:13.29 | _abc_ | Why odd? Debianists live in the past. |
| 21:13.37 | _abc_ | Hey we're not arch... |
| 21:14.14 | debdog | yah, but why do shops work for you but no me with the same browser? |
| 21:14.22 | debdog | and on the same OS |
| 21:14.46 | _abc_ | Because when I say work I mean it loads, not that I can see all of it, since it's mostly js rendered. |
| 21:15.34 | _abc_ | So I see just a plain HTML skeleton |
| 21:15.49 | _abc_ | SeaMonkey should load the js, install that if you want it. |
| 21:15.55 | debdog | ahh, sorry, did get that wrong then |
| 21:16.13 | debdog | yes, Seamonkey is my default browser |
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| 21:17.49 | _abc_ | Apparently netsurf 3.9 has CSS and improved JS |
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