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| 07:49.31 | lifebook | hi to all devuan citizens |
| 07:50.11 | lifebook | there is a security update for thunderbird |
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| 17:42.56 | huuhhh | System becomes unstable after running firefox with a bunch of tabs open for a few hours, near the limits of my system RAM although swapfile is working. By the way freenode.net won't work if you have google blocked in noscript... I am using hexchat from now on |
| 17:44.47 | fsmithred | how much actual ram you got? |
| 17:45.05 | huuhhh | 4GB |
| 17:45.29 | fsmithred | I was running out frequently with 2G. Occasionally now with 4G. |
| 17:46.02 | fsmithred | usually I can tell it's happening before it completely locks up, and I can close some things |
| 17:47.32 | fsmithred | 4G is really 3.4 on this box. That doesn't help. |
| 17:50.34 | furrywolf | firefox has gotten even more bloated lately, despite their claiming the rewrite would fix such things. and it leaks ram just as badly as it always has. |
| 17:53.43 | fsmithred | I seem to recall that ff slowed down a lot over about a year before they "fixed" it. |
| 17:54.20 | huuhhh | maybe adding a theme had something to do with it - I just installed noscript, hopefully it gets rid of more overhead than it uses |
| 17:54.20 | fsmithred | links2 is pretty fast, and it makes the web look like 1995 |
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| 18:07.17 | huuhhh | I used lynx to get online with a commodore 64 and browse the web once in the 90s, that was cool... I just installed links2 |
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| 18:14.37 | fsmithred | it'll run in a graphical environment |
| 18:16.19 | huuhhh | Yeah I was just testing it out. It doesn't like youtube very much. |
| 18:17.16 | fsmithred | lol, no but you could use youtube-dl |
| 18:17.28 | fsmithred | and a player like vlc or mpv |
| 18:17.58 | fsmithred | get youtube-dl from the git repo, because it gets updated frequently |
| 18:18.16 | fsmithred | every time youtube fixes it so it doesn't work |
| 18:20.12 | huuhhh | I noticed that, VLC works to play but doesn't seem able to convert youtube anymore |
| 18:22.47 | huuhhh | I still need to install Network Manager, or a work around to "bridge" my wifi to my ethernet. I searched for bridging linux for hours and hours, tried setting up DHCP servers and all that nonsense... but all you have to do in Network manager is check the "share with other computers" box and it just works. |
| 18:23.11 | huuhhh | under ipv4 settings |
| 18:24.56 | huuhhh | Apparently "bridging" is not technically what is being done because it means something else technically, but I'm used to that term from Windows, which also just lets you bridge. |
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| 18:25.28 | huuhhh | wicd is a step backwards in usability from Network Manager |
| 18:28.54 | fsmithred | apt install network-manager (after you remove wicd) |
| 18:29.15 | fsmithred | unless you need wicd to get nm |
| 18:30.38 | huuhhh | I could only get network manager to come up under nmtui, it was able to see networks but could not connect |
| 18:31.13 | huuhhh | Someone mentioned something about possibly needing to upgrade to Beowulf to get the right network manager |
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| 18:36.31 | fsmithred | huuhhh, did you also install network-manager-gnome? That's the frontend. |
| 18:38.09 | huuhhh | of course not, I don't know what I'm doing :-D |
| 18:38.38 | huuhhh | I was wondering why the applet was not there |
| 18:39.23 | fsmithred | looks like it would install on my ascii |
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| 18:51.23 | huuhhh | I installed network-manager and network-manager-gnome, get no icons in my menu to configure network manager and it doesn't work http://i.imgur.com/IoFE2KJ.png |
| 18:53.53 | fsmithred | looks like the service started fine |
| 18:54.11 | fsmithred | check the .desktop file to see if it's set to only show up in gnome |
| 18:54.31 | fsmithred | in /usr/share/applications/(something) probably network-manager.desktop |
| 18:56.24 | fsmithred | nm-applet.desktop |
| 18:56.38 | fsmithred | nm-applet is also the command |
| 18:56.51 | fsmithred | what desktop are you using? xfce? |
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| 18:57.03 | fsmithred | probably need to add that to the startup apps |
| 18:57.59 | huuhhh | nmtui finds access points but can't connect |
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| 19:10.40 | huuhhh | If network-manager is going to work it should be working in nmtui correct? |
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| 19:31.40 | fsmithred | why not use the gui? |
| 19:32.13 | fsmithred | try running nm-applet |
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| 19:50.30 | huuhhh | network manager isn't recognizing my wifi dongle now, could be the device as it has been flakey lately. Although it works under wicd... it also came up with a list of access points in nmtui, which don't show up now. Could removing the wicd file in init.d and rebooting help? |
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| 21:24.47 | poontangmessiah | You guys were right, beowulf was a mistake |
| 21:25.03 | golinux | ??? |
| 21:25.32 | poontangmessiah | Redshift -O breaks freezes my screen |
| 21:25.43 | poontangmessiah | breaks, freezes my screen* |
| 21:26.10 | fsmithred | I can test that in a little while |
| 21:27.00 | poontangmessiah | fsmithred: the issue is displaymanager independent, if that helps. |
| 21:27.14 | fsmithred | yeah, it does. I'm using lxdm. |
| 21:27.32 | fsmithred | or will be. Still wiping a hard drive. Then install. |
| 21:27.57 | poontangmessiah | fsmithred: so what gives? |
| 21:28.06 | fsmithred | what do you mean? |
| 21:28.50 | fsmithred | I have a jessie and two asciis, but no beowulf on hardware yet. |
| 21:29.01 | fsmithred | that will change in a little less than 1 hour. |
| 21:29.04 | poontangmessiah | Should i post an issue in redshift git or just nuke my installation and rpeeat? |
| 21:29.18 | fsmithred | wait an hour and see if I can reproduce it |
| 21:29.44 | fsmithred | I could test in vm in a few minutes, but I don't know if that's a fair test |
| 21:29.56 | poontangmessiah | fsmithred: im using --no-install-recommends too. |
| 21:30.44 | poontangmessiah | but that shouldn't break anything......right? |
| 21:34.43 | fsmithred | wtf does it need to use geoclue to tell me the last settings? |
| 21:34.55 | fsmithred | anyway, it doesn't work in VM |
| 21:35.04 | poontangmessiah | fsmithred: use redshift -O 4000 |
| 21:35.32 | fsmithred | using method 'randr' . |
| 21:35.38 | fsmithred | and then returns prompt |
| 21:35.42 | fsmithred | does nothing |
| 21:38.45 | poontangmessiah | This is probably an x issue |
| 21:38.58 | huuhhh | redshift, comes with some weird geolocation app, instead of just using system time... |
| 21:41.43 | fsmithred | this is the first time I've seen it try to geolocate with 'redshift -O' |
| 21:41.44 | poontangmessiah | huuhhh: it's a cheap imitation of flux |
| 21:41.53 | poontangmessiah | but it's all we have on linux |
| 21:42.00 | fsmithred | there is another |
| 21:42.07 | poontangmessiah | blueshift? |
| 21:42.08 | fsmithred | can't remember the name |
| 21:42.10 | fsmithred | lol, no |
| 21:43.19 | fsmithred | sct |
| 21:43.48 | fsmithred | I have it installed. There's no man page and no --help |
| 21:43.58 | fsmithred | run it and it sets my gamma back to 1 |
| 21:44.11 | fsmithred | oh, heh |
| 21:44.14 | fsmithred | only on one monitor |
| 21:44.32 | poontangmessiah | if this thing also breaks then it all can go to hell |
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| 21:45.25 | fsmithred | you have normal hardware or something rare? |
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| 21:52.02 | poontangmessiah | fsmithred: guess, sct also broke it. |
| 21:53.13 | poontangmessiah | forcing me to rebbot |
| 21:53.45 | fsmithred | 30 minutes to hardware test |
| 21:53.52 | fsmithred | what is your hardware? |
| 21:54.11 | fsmithred | vid card? |
| 21:54.31 | poontangmessiah | amd. |
| 21:54.38 | poontangmessiah | some old stuff. |
| 21:55.17 | fsmithred | I have to go play with the wood stove. Back in about half hour. |
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| 22:45.33 | poontangmessiah | opinions on wayland? |
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| 22:55.40 | MinceR | it sucks |
| 22:55.45 | MinceR | and it will probably always suck |
| 22:55.51 | MinceR | since the developers have a totally wrong mindset |
| 22:56.24 | poontangmessiah | MinceR: explain please |
| 22:56.48 | MinceR | major implementations only have client-side decorations, which looks like shit, is user-unfriendly and bloats the gui toolkits |
| 22:56.57 | MinceR | afaik all but 1 minor implementation depends on cancerd |
| 22:57.27 | MinceR | they also like to just drop X11 features necessary for FPS gaming or making screenshots and things like that and handwave it with "security" |
| 22:57.34 | MinceR | even though they could be implemented securely |
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| 23:19.02 | onefang | As I understand it, applications that change the blue tint of your screen need to know where you are, coz it's not just time based, it's sunrise/sunset based. And that changes depending on time of year and physical location. |
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| 23:39.34 | fsmithred | onefang, you are correct, and the app is wrong about when I want red or blue. I do it manually (through a script with selections.) |
| 23:46.37 | onefang | Some monitors have a light detector for that reason. I think one of mine does, I probably disabled it I use dark themes. Phones also have light monitors, but I use OLED phones, with dark themes. OLED and dark themes means less of a problem with blue light exposure. And better battery life. I even use an extension to force web sites to a dark theme. |
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