IRC log for #devuan on 20191128

00:00.11fsmithredyou just trying to run vnc in ssh tunnel?
00:04.35edoooooonfsmithred: yeah. I just port forward port 5901 from my server to my localhost and connect with a vnc viewer to localhost:5901 using the command above.
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00:06.38fsmithredbeowulf is your local machine or the remote?
00:06.53edoooooonlocal machine.
00:07.09fsmithredok, that means I need to get out of my chair. brb
00:09.55fsmithredworks here with slightly different command. I tested jessie to beowulf and beowulf to ascii
00:10.39edoooooonfsmithred: What command are you using?
00:11.23fsmithredI've got it set in a script to start in xterm. You can do without that part.
00:11.26fsmithredxterm -hold -e ssh -t -L 5900:localhost:5900 $remote_host 'x11vnc -localhost -display :0' &
00:11.37fsmithredxterm -hold -e vncviewer -encodings "copyrect tight hextile" localhost &
00:13.08fsmithredyou got a message about 'bind [127.0.0.1]:5901: Cannot assign requested address'
00:13.30fsmithredthat seems weird. What's your localhost address?
00:14.17edoooooonthose 3 lines are the error message that seem the most relevant.
00:14.17edoooooonbind [127.0.0.1]:5901: Cannot assign requested address
00:14.17edoooooonchannel_setup_fwd_listener_tcpip: cannot listen to port: 5901
00:14.17edoooooonCould not request local forwarding.
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00:15.06edoooooon127.0.0.1       localhost
00:15.06edoooooon127.0.1.1       mylocalcomputername
00:15.11fsmithredis right
00:15.28fsmithredwhat vnc are you using?
00:15.46edoooooonI dont really even get to the vnc, I run the ssh command first which fails.
00:15.47fsmithredand how are you starting it on the remote?
00:17.10fsmithredI'll try your command
00:19.12edoooooonOn the remote machine, I start vnc via cron. I can do this whole process on Ascii and from other computers (window, putty). For some reason on this computer running beowulf, and beowulf on my test computer, I cant seem to do the ssh. And I feel like ssh config is so simple this should be a no brainer but I haven't figured it out yet, driving me crazy
00:21.41fsmithredI'm getting a Usage: message
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00:21.55fsmithredcan't see what's wrong with my command
00:23.08fsmithredok, I did 'user@remote' but 'user remote' does give me a login prompt.
00:23.18fsmithredThen just returns me to the local prompt.
00:23.51edooooooncorrect, it does return you to your shell, but the port has been forwarded.
00:24.24edoooooonnothing is wrong with your command, they do the same thing really except you spawn vnc in the ssh session and mine is always running reguardless
00:25.24edoooooonyour command and mine are the same really, in the first part ssh fails to do the port forwarding.
00:28.58fsmithredhave you tried using a different port? Does it think 5901 is occupied?
00:30.26edoooooonah yes, I did verify the local port was unused, and tried a random port "15900:127.0.0.1:5900"
00:30.37edoooooonchannel_setup_fwd_listener_tcpip: cannot listen to port: 15900
00:31.27edoooooonI also tried sudo/su
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01:48.59systemdletethe damage from u-no-watt never ceases, it seems:  https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=182055
01:49.59systemdleteFrom that thread: hibernating, suspending etc. with upower is deprecated because it's more logical to use systemd+logind+polkit combination to achieve that capability for non-root users."
01:50.15systemdlete"More logical" --- ???
01:50.42systemdleteYeah, I guess it is more logical to drive the Benz than the Corolla.
01:56.12systemdleteThe rule today seems to be this:  If I need X, it has been deprecated in favor of X-systemd instead.
01:56.38djphsystemdlete: 'systemd-Xd'
01:56.52systemdleteoops.  You are correct!
01:56.59systemdlete(how foolish of me)
01:57.08djphs'all good :)
01:57.59systemdleteMeanwhile, the power manager in xfce don't work correctly anymore, which results in messy shutdowns when the power goes out here, like it did last night... 3x
01:58.17specingsystemd-devuan
01:58.19specingwhen?
01:58.42systemdleteWe had local power failures due to a bad storm here.
01:59.04systemdleteSeems a Pacific cyclone tore through here, knocking out power along the way.
01:59.10djphspecing: you go sit in the corner and think about what you've said.
01:59.11systemdleteRained like a dog.
01:59.48specingdjph:lol
01:59.54specingsystemd-devuand!
02:00.25systemdleteI hear there's a performance improvement coming up called systemd-everythingelsed
02:01.03systemdleteThat post, btw, is from 2014.
02:04.17specingsystemd-empired
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10:40.22systemdleteI would like to add a shutdown script for handling running instances of VM's (there's a command that sends an acpi signal and it works).  I know how to do that part, and I understand how to create a kill script in /etc/init.d (and then add it to runlevels 0 and 6, right?).
10:40.56systemdleteWhat I want to know is, if there is a system update, do I need to worry that my local/custom script in /etc/init.d might be modified or obliterated somehow?
10:41.21systemdleteIt doesn't seem likely to me, but I'd just like a tiny bit of re-assurance.  Thanks everyone!
10:43.44r3bootYou can check to see if your script (/etc/init.d/somename) is mentioned in one of the devuan packages. If it is, it makes sense to rename your init script. If it doesnt, yay, you're upgrade safe
10:44.03systemdletethanks, good point r3boot!
10:44.26systemdleteI actually didn't think of that.
10:45.19systemdleteIt's unlikely, since I'll be calling mine vbox-something.  I think the only packages that put files there for vbox is vbox.
10:45.25r3bootAlternatively, if it is an existing script, and you cannot rename, you can always chattr +i the file to prevent it from being overwritten, but that will break your upgrades then
10:45.52systemdleteno, don't want to do that!
10:46.00r3bootGood :)
10:46.09systemdleteI'll just pick a VERY unique name, not likely to be duplicated
10:46.33r3bootvi /etc/init.d/`echo $RANDOM | sha1sum` ;P
10:46.46systemdleteI just checked, and there doesn't seem to be any packages even referring to vbox (aside from some isdn stuff, but I'll never use that I think)
10:46.56systemdleteehhh.  yeah.
10:46.59r3bootisdn, wow, people still use that??
10:47.30systemdleteI've heard (horror) stories that some people livig in at least certain parts of Australia still have ADSL
10:47.34guido_gprefix it with something like 'local-', so you have a pattern to search for (i.e. for backups)
10:47.53systemdleteyeah, I back up /etc every night anyway
10:48.23systemdleteand I can run a cron job to make sure that MY scripts got included in the backup
10:48.28systemdleteif not, send me mail, etc etc
10:48.55systemdleteI am not THAT paranoid about this particular issue, though.  I'd just like to achieve a more graceful shutdown when I lose AC here
10:49.13systemdleteLast night, I had 3 power outages.  Drove me crazy.
10:49.30onefangI'm in Australia, and I have ADSL.  Well, ADSL2.  lol
10:49.35systemdleteATM, I am trying to get a different issue addressed.
10:49.42systemdletesorry to hear that onefang.
10:49.45systemdlete(truly)
10:50.08onefangI had fibre to the bedroom in my last home, but had to move.
10:50.12systemdleteWe're "spoilt" here in the US; I pay $40/mo for about 80Gb down
10:50.47systemdletethe xfce4-power-manager seems to ignore my "critical power" setting.  It is the default, 10%.
10:51.22systemdleteBut I noticed that it was being ignored.  On the 3rd go around (when my UPS started beeping up a storm), I watched as the power level dropped
10:51.37systemdleteIt got to 8%, and still, the shutdown did not start.
10:51.52systemdleteI googled this issue and found a few hits.  Seems others have this also.
10:52.08systemdleteFiled a (potential) bug against this; waiting for response.
10:56.29systemdleteactually, not a bug, per se.  Just a post to the forums at xfce.   Hate filing actual bugs if they aren't.
10:56.50systemdleteCould be something wrong at my end, or something easy to correct.
11:00.51systemdleteonefang:  How fast is your ADSL2?  Doesn't that vary with distance to the ISP or phone company office, just like DSL?
11:01.39systemdleteWhen I had DSL, I thought I was the King of the Internet, with (I think) 256Mbps.  That was in Seattle, c. 1997 or so
11:06.32r3bootused to run on 8/1 ADSL. Slow like molasses, but it was very reliable. Most of the old POTS connections have been disabled in .nl tho, and nowadays I am on 100/100 fiber
11:06.57r3boot(for 45 euro/month btw, so that's pretty cheap :)
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11:09.10systemdletewell, that's a good bit more than $40 I pay.  What are you getting for that?
11:09.31r3boot100/100mbit, non-ratelimited
11:09.51r3bootplus fixed ip addresses, reverse-dns, ipv6 delegations, etc
11:09.53systemdleteso you are paying about 25% more and getting 25% more than I am.
11:10.03r3boot(and I get to talk to the admins over IRC, which is also nice :)
11:10.18systemdleteenvies Europeans
11:10.42guido_gdon't
11:10.51systemdleteI am noticing that Ascii has the 1.4.1 version of the power manager for xfce4.
11:10.54guido_gthere are parts wher eyou can't get this kind of connection
11:10.59systemdleteBut that was released about 5 years ago.
11:11.14r3bootyep.. .nl is pretty good wrt internet connectivity, esp compared to the rest of europe
11:11.30guido_gack, .de sucks (still)
11:11.33r3bootThere are even experiments with 10GE connections
11:11.40systemdleteguido_g:  But that's true in every country.  If you live in or near a major city, there is usually a cable provider, and they push Internet through their TV cable.
11:12.10systemdleteSo I am running with ancientware.  That's probably the most likely explanation.
11:12.14guido_gyeh, hamburg is way to small...
11:12.37systemdleteHamburg?  Seriously -- shipping mecca doesn't have HSI?
11:12.52guido_gwelcome to germany
11:13.04r3bootUgh .. I remember needing to hookup an office in berlin some years ago, and that was *so* frustrating. Only copper available at the location, while just across the street there was a DT fiber, but they would not attach the other side of the road :(
11:13.07systemdleteThat surprises me.  The Germans are usually far ahead in tech, aren't they?
11:13.41guido_gyou're reading history books too much
11:13.49r3boot(and the copper itself was total crap, with quite a lot of synchronization issues)
11:14.01r3boot(some 500m from alexanderplatz btw)
11:14.05systemdleteI ran into something like that here.  When I was living in Phoenix, a downtown(!) commercial building did not have cable service.  So they had copper, and sucky service.
11:14.35systemdleteBut, me, living about a mile or two away, in a crappy rental apartment, in the 'hood I mean, I had cable.
11:14.39systemdleteGo figure.
11:15.25systemdleteAnyway, there's been 3 releases since then.
11:16.20systemdletebeowulf has 1.6...
11:16.51systemdleteLooks like I just need to wait for beowulf.
11:17.51systemdleteIt's not that pressing really.  Linux cleans up hard shutdowns very nicely; still, it's not nice to do that, and I have had problems in a few cases where even after fsck cleaning up the file systems
11:18.01systemdletethere was still some breakage.
11:18.42guido_ghmm what changed here since yesterday: https://gist.github.com/guidog/b9d877d7119a310d51f27c9cabedf768
11:18.53guido_ggetting these errors now
11:19.01systemdleteHopefully there won't be another incident like this for a while.  And, no, I am not in a PG&E service area -- we have our own utility here.  I don't think we need to worry about blackouts due to the fires in California.
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11:20.14systemdleteI ran into missing release files at bareos.org, but I think I got around it by rebuilding the key for it.
11:20.30systemdletesomething like apt-key adv and such
11:21.35systemdleteanyone have even a flimsy estimate when beowulf might arrive?  Months or weeks do you think?
11:23.35systemdleteWell, it's 3am here and I think I've beaten my head against a wall enough for one day.
11:23.44systemdleteThanks all for the help and the convo.
11:23.52systemdletenight all!
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16:19.06furrywolfalso, I'm perm-banned from ##woodworking, which is proof we need another woodworking channel.  :)
16:19.13furrywolfgrr, wong window.  lol
16:20.30r3bootnah, just do proper ban evasion, it's doable :)
16:21.34furrywolflol.  I could, and given as it's been like five years the founder is very unlikely to notice (or remember that I existed), but that won't fix the real problem.
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16:27.56djphthat you're a bad dog and got yourself banned?
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16:29.12furrywolfno, that the founder is a biggoted prick, who banned me for not being a person acceptable to his christian world view.
16:29.56r3boot.. not as bad as ISOC tho .... http://www.circleid.com/posts/20191127_why_i_voted_to_sell_org/
16:29.57guido_gthe woodworking channel, crosses only! ;)
16:31.08guido_glots of assh*s around
16:33.29furrywolfr3boot:  hrmm, that looks to me like "it'll be ok!  they've promised not to be evil!"
16:34.13r3bootcorrect. It's a major sellout. They want money, because their steady income based on domain registrations is not enough, and it's 'okay', since the equity firm promises to do good(tm)
16:34.33r3bootBasically they're selling .org from a non-profit to a investment corporation
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17:17.03systemdleteMost people complain about the chirping noises coming from their UPS.  But I have a different problem now:  The only time my UPS chirps is when I turn it on.
17:17.20systemdleteIt's an APC Back-650.
17:18.24systemdleteand the xfce4-power-manager is giving the wrong info -- telling me it's on battery when it shouldn't be, or on AC when it shouldn't be, and often there is a delay before it updates itself.
17:18.43systemdleteIs the problem that my UPS is now totally fried?
17:19.04systemdleteI've had it several years, but I don't remember how long.
17:19.48systemdleteAnd there is no chirp indicating when it is going to battery power and back.
17:20.24systemdleteAnd, damnit, it's a federal holiday in the US, so there is probably no place to get a new one if this one is done for.
17:21.31systemdleteI'm thinking that maybe the UPS's brain is scattered, so the monitor applet is not getting correct/timely info?
17:21.36furrywolfyeah, I wanted to go to the hardware store today, but they're closed...
17:22.32systemdleteI guess Target and Walmart are possibilities, but I hate buying anything in those stores.  And Fry's Electronics is almost definitely out of the question.
17:22.54systemdleteBest Buy is nearby me, but I'm certain they are closed also.
17:24.26systemdletehmmm.  Looks like Best Buy might be open today after all, starting at 5PM.  Getting the jump on black Friday I suppose.
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17:42.57systemdleteWonder if it pays to spend $13 on a new battery for the UPS or just chuck the whole thing and get a new UPS.  I'd think the electronics are prob still OK even if the battery is nearing the end
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18:02.54snake0UPS usually just need new batteries, when they start beeping after 3-5 years.
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23:47.24tuxd3vhello,
23:47.58tuxd3vdoes any one knows how to convert back a sdcard that shows as scsi... ?
23:48.25tuxd3vits a block device but I messed too much with it, and now I can't get it back has a block device..

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