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| 02:24.53 | smk | hey any versions currently utilizing kernel 3.18? |
| 02:25.16 | gnarface | maybe oldstable (jessie) |
| 02:26.02 | golinux | Not jessie - 3.16 |
| 02:26.10 | gnarface | oh, close though! |
| 02:26.12 | golinux | ascii |
| 02:26.14 | smk | why was it phased out so quickly? |
| 02:26.16 | golinux | LOL! |
| 02:26.26 | smk | 3.16 stuck around forever it seems |
| 02:26.56 | gnarface | smk: hardware vendors started dumping money into the kernel in earnest around then, so it went from 3.16 to 4.20 in near record time |
| 02:27.09 | golinux | Seems I remember folks having issues with 3.18* |
| 02:27.20 | gnarface | 4.9 is pretty good though honestly |
| 02:28.00 | man_in_shack | records gnarface's time |
| 02:28.52 | smk | pfft, why couldent linus just a insult his funders like de raadt |
| 02:29.14 | smk | actually he probably did.. |
| 02:29.27 | gnarface | he definitely did, and a lot. that's why they're so mad at him |
| 02:29.36 | smk | ok i'll check out ascii thanks |
| 02:29.58 | phogg | smk: 3.16 is one of the versions people decided to support for the long term. So-called "LTS" releases. I believe 4.19 is another. |
| 02:30.05 | smk | ya somehow linus gets away with a lot it seems.. or thats what the old news portrayal has been |
| 02:31.00 | smk | ya i'm messing with rocm and upstream should work with 3.19 but its probably easier to find a 3.18 kernel where its officially supported |
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| 02:31.42 | smk | plus I use fluxbox as my gui so avoiding the monolithic architecture makes sense.. I should have stuck with this fork long ago |
| 02:31.54 | smk | i'll check out ascii |
| 02:32.10 | smk | cheers |
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| 10:23.47 | straube_ | hi all, anyone have confience with this problem: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'bridge': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 10:24.32 | gnarface | did you specify a module parameter? |
| 10:24.37 | gnarface | did you check to see what dmesg says about it? |
| 10:26.08 | straube_ | dmesg don't say anything.. |
| 10:26.29 | straube_ | where I can set a parameter? (thanks in advance) |
| 10:26.59 | gnarface | on the command-line, or in a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 10:27.45 | gnarface | normally i wouldn't expect this error unless you had specified an invalid parameter or value, or the "bridge" module you are trying to load doesn't match the kernel you're running |
| 10:28.12 | gnarface | it could be a real bug though. are you fully updated? |
| 10:30.12 | straube_ | Yes full. 4.9.0.8. How I can verify if the module is right for this kernel? And also, do you have a link where I can see different parameter that I can choose during activation? |
| 10:34.10 | gnarface | well if the module came with your install and you didn't get anything from any 3rd party repos or build a custom kernel or anything like that, it should match the kernel |
| 10:34.47 | debdog | modinfo bridge |
| 10:35.04 | gnarface | yes, you can see available options with /sbin/modinfo [modulename] but bridge doesn't seem to have any now that i'm looking at it... |
| 10:35.08 | straube_ | filename: /lib/modules/4.9.0-8-amd64/kernel/net/bridge/bridge.ko |
| 10:35.08 | straube_ | alias: rtnl-link-bridge |
| 10:35.08 | straube_ | version: 2.3 |
| 10:35.08 | straube_ | license: GPL |
| 10:35.08 | straube_ | srcversion: 010E6C7311B8862BB3B2AD0 |
| 10:35.09 | straube_ | depends: stp,llc |
| 10:35.10 | straube_ | retpoline: Y |
| 10:35.12 | straube_ | intree: Y |
| 10:35.14 | straube_ | vermagic: 4.9.0-8-amd64 SMP mod_unload modversions |
| 10:35.22 | gnarface | please don't do that, we all can see it here |
| 10:35.30 | straube_ | sorry |
| 10:35.37 | gnarface | there's no parameters, so maybe your bridge configuration is the problem? |
| 10:37.15 | straube_ | well, I didn't have problem before this week, the only configuration was the one that lxc-net do... but now I can't add bridge with brctl, when I try to do brctl addbr lxcbr0 this is the answer |
| 10:37.34 | straube_ | add bridge failed: Package not installed |
| 10:37.50 | gnarface | a brief google search suggests that some other module might be missing, like the ipv6 one perhaps... |
| 10:38.11 | gnarface | could you have changed something in your config that changed which modules auto-load? |
| 10:38.38 | gnarface | maybe you can just add them to /etc/modules to make them load again every boot if you can figure out which ones are all missing |
| 10:40.00 | straube_ | I can try. I can put this path /lib/modules/4.9.0-8-amd64/kernel/net/bridge/bridge.ko in /etc/modules ? |
| 10:40.19 | gnarface | no you don't need the whole path |
| 10:40.24 | gnarface | you don't even need the .ko extension |
| 10:40.30 | straube_ | so just bridge |
| 10:40.36 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.05 | gnarface | you said you installed bridge-utils right? |
| 10:41.09 | straube_ | sure |
| 10:42.04 | gnarface | it's not a virtual machine, right? |
| 10:42.16 | straube_ | not, is my laptop |
| 10:43.02 | gnarface | i think it's probably another missing module |
| 10:43.17 | gnarface | there's at least one other module that you need to load before bridge |
| 10:43.23 | straube_ | how I can detect? |
| 10:43.32 | gnarface | i'm not sure. |
| 10:44.48 | gnarface | maybe the wifi module |
| 10:44.50 | gnarface | maybe ipv6 |
| 10:44.59 | gnarface | maybe even missing firmware for all i know |
| 10:45.05 | gnarface | but regular networking works? |
| 10:45.52 | gnarface | i would think dmesg might tell you something right after it fails to load |
| 10:46.21 | straube_ | yes work, but problem appear in same moment that I have wifi problem. |
| 10:46.28 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 10:46.46 | straube_ | now I solved problem with wifi.. but not with bridge |
| 10:47.00 | gnarface | any idea what caused the wifi problem? |
| 10:47.31 | straube_ | no, was after an upgrade. I solved installing wicd |
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| 10:47.47 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 10:48.18 | gnarface | i wonder if wicd or wpa_supplicant or one of the other dependencies of wicd is somehow interfering with the brige |
| 10:48.21 | gnarface | *bridge |
| 10:48.44 | straube_ | I can try to remove... |
| 10:50.28 | straube_ | If I purge wicd, I have problem after reboot. I usually use ifdown ifup...but without wicd ifup is not able to take the wifi network |
| 10:53.34 | gnarface | hmmm, this seems like it's gonna be complicated |
| 10:53.46 | gnarface | i am not sure if wicd can even handle bridges |
| 10:54.02 | straube_ | I guess too... I spent two days before arrive here... |
| 10:54.04 | straube_ | :) |
| 10:54.04 | gnarface | i wonder what changed with that update to break your wifi |
| 10:54.43 | gnarface | have you checked the forums to see if anyone else has mentioned this issue? |
| 10:55.18 | straube_ | In the forum I look for bridge problem not wifi |
| 10:55.39 | straube_ | maybe some 3rd non free part? |
| 10:55.57 | straube_ | my laptop is a lenovo so I need some non - free for wifi |
| 10:56.05 | gnarface | it might be something simple, like wicd starts wpa_supplicant, so without wicd, you have to start wpa_supplicant yourself? |
| 10:56.32 | straube_ | I dind't try this way |
| 10:56.50 | straube_ | I just installed wicd |
| 10:58.14 | gnarface | you did install the non-free packages your wifi needs, right? |
| 10:59.40 | straube_ | yes sure |
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| 11:02.43 | gnarface | i don't know what's wrong, there might be a way to figure out how to make wicd play nice with your bridge but i suspect the easier way would be to figure out what changed or got uninstalled that wicd reinstalled or put back |
| 11:03.01 | gnarface | then you can make it work the way it used to |
| 11:06.16 | straube_ | I will try, thanks...I have three machine and the two where I have problem are with non -free component for network device |
| 11:07.14 | gnarface | that might be a clue |
| 11:07.38 | gnarface | (also i've noticed that pattern with non-free stuff as well in general) |
| 11:08.19 | straube_ | argh! |
| 11:09.00 | gnarface | are they using the same network driver, those two machines? |
| 11:09.18 | gnarface | same firmware and wifi modules? |
| 11:09.38 | gnarface | undoubtedly suspicious |
| 11:10.48 | straube_ | unfrotunaly not |
| 11:10.55 | straube_ | unfortunatly |
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| 12:11.52 | straube | this can give some indication? Starting LXC network bridge: :RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported |
| 12:14.12 | gnarface | oh, it could |
| 12:14.28 | gnarface | i think |
| 12:14.36 | gnarface | something to do with polkit/elogind |
| 12:14.45 | gnarface | or permissions |
| 12:15.07 | gnarface | i wonder if an update messed it up |
| 12:15.10 | gnarface | are you on ascii? |
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| 12:37.42 | straube | yes on ascii |
| 12:44.49 | straube | what I can try? |
| 12:44.51 | straube | or see? |
| 12:48.46 | gnarface | you're using a graphical login manager, right? |
| 12:49.18 | gnarface | check the release notes for whether it needs polkit or elogind i guess |
| 12:49.32 | gnarface | make sure you have the right one, and not both |
| 12:50.09 | straube | yes lightdm |
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| 13:05.06 | straube | lightdm 1.18.3 |
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| 14:03.04 | straube | same problem with modprobe 8021q - - -> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert '8021q': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter |
| 14:12.25 | gnarface | run lsmod before and after wicd starts |
| 14:12.31 | gnarface | see what is missing before hand |
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| 14:15.34 | straube | same... |
| 14:16.42 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 14:16.46 | gnarface | strange |
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| 14:26.01 | straube | now I put bridge in /etc/modules and dmesg after reboot give this line llc: Unknown symbol pskb_trim_rcsum_slow (err 0) |
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| 15:01.56 | buZz | straube: where did you get that module? |
| 15:02.47 | straube | I think that came with bridge utils, no? |
| 15:03.01 | buZz | cause that error is supposed to be telling you , that the kernel you are running does not match the kernel the module was built against |
| 15:03.20 | KatolaZ | straube: are you using a custom kernel? |
| 15:03.27 | straube | yes |
| 15:03.39 | buZz | there you go :) |
| 15:04.07 | buZz | you'll need to either rebuild just that module, or the entire kernel |
| 15:04.17 | KatolaZ | straube: depmod -ea |
| 15:04.18 | straube | how I can rebuild? |
| 15:04.29 | buZz | grab source, read documentation? |
| 15:04.31 | KatolaZ | it should give you a hint about which modules hae unresolved symbols, and why |
| 15:04.34 | buZz | probably under 'how to build' :D |
| 15:04.42 | buZz | KatolaZ: ah yez, depmod |
| 15:04.43 | KatolaZ | straube: why do you nedd a custom kernel at all? |
| 15:04.52 | KatolaZ | ~need |
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| 15:07.15 | KatolaZ | straube: did you compile the custom kernel or got the conf from somwehere? |
| 15:07.20 | KatolaZ | ~somewhere |
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| 15:21.42 | straube | sorry guys, I am a little new... My kernel is the kernel that came with installation of devuan ascii..My module, lxc, bridge, worked since a week ago... |
| 15:22.29 | KatolaZ | straube: what have you changed then? |
| 15:22.45 | KatolaZ | straube: you shouldn't need to fiddle with the kernel |
| 15:23.19 | straube | I know, happen after an upgrade |
| 15:24.44 | KatolaZ | did you upgrade the kernel? |
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| 18:15.39 | fluffywolf | is there any danger to installing a newer debhelper on ascii? I notice a dh-systemd.deb got built when I built it, which is worrysome. |
| 18:17.38 | fluffywolf | in dependency hell trying to build debian's newer smartmontools, might give up and build it from upstream and not package it... |
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| 18:22.41 | fluffywolf | is there an easy way to make apt-get -b source ignore build deps and try anyway? |
| 18:23.11 | fluffywolf | I don't see an obviously -ignore-build-deps option... |
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| 18:25.49 | fluffywolf | ah, I can dpkg-buildpkg manually with -d.... |
| 18:26.24 | fluffywolf | and it fails because I don't have systemd. |
| 18:26.28 | fluffywolf | make: dh_installsystemd: Command not found |
| 18:26.37 | fluffywolf | sigh... |
| 18:27.35 | fluffywolf | fuck it, building from upstream |
| 18:31.14 | DonkeyHotei | [Mon 2019-02-25 10:26:24 AM PST] <fluffywolf> and it fails because I don't have systemd. <-------- wut |
| 18:31.42 | KatolaZ | furrywolf: what are you worried about? |
| 18:32.01 | fluffywolf | breaking things. :) |
| 18:32.23 | KatolaZ | dh-systemd works only if there are systemd-related triggers and files to move around |
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| 18:33.02 | fluffywolf | is this something devuan has de-systemd-ed? why does building smartmontools need to dh_installsystemd, and why is this not present on my ascii? etc |
| 18:33.49 | KatolaZ | furrywolf: dh is only needed when you actually build a package |
| 18:35.33 | KatolaZ | furrywolf: smartmontools has no dep on any systemd-related stuff |
| 18:35.34 | KatolaZ | at all |
| 18:36.08 | fluffywolf | the sid smartmontools has a build-dep for sid's debhelper, which seems to have lots of build-deps that end up with systemd stuff somewhere. |
| 18:36.26 | fluffywolf | I'm just building the upstream tarball now instead of fussing with the debian packaged version. |
| 18:36.33 | KatolaZ | furrywolf: again, the dh_systemd thing has nothing to do with systemd :\ |
| 18:36.48 | KatolaZ | it is used by debhelper for those packages which provide systemd units |
| 18:37.00 | KatolaZ | :\ |
| 18:37.02 | fluffywolf | I gave up trying to figure out how much of sid I'd need to install after three levels of dependencies. :) |
| 18:37.13 | fluffywolf | it may be hard to backport sid's smartmontools to ascii. heh. |
| 18:37.21 | KatolaZ | furrywolf: why don't you just build on pbuilder? |
| 18:37.32 | fluffywolf | well, for starters, I have no idea what that is... |
| 18:37.36 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 18:37.38 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 18:38.27 | KatolaZ | it's a way to build packages that does not involve actually installing stuff on your running system |
| 18:38.30 | KatolaZ | you use a chroot |
| 18:38.30 | fluffywolf | sigh, and the upsteam smartmontools, which claims to have added support for my drive, properly detects the drive and then fails with unsupported anyway! |
| 18:42.37 | fluffywolf | bah, googling says it doesn't work with kernels >=4.14.... |
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| 18:52.30 | fluffywolf | need to use usb quirks on the command line for >4.14. bleh. |
| 18:54.05 | franko | Hello everyone! |
| 18:55.21 | franko | I am interested in experiences with hdmi support in Devuan with XFCE... How well does it go? |
| 18:57.18 | franko | and, yes.. I am using beowulf, ATM, so info on that one would be most valuable, but any info will be appreciated. :-) |
| 18:59.04 | fluffywolf | I'm not sure what the window manager would have to do with hdmi support, as opposed to the video driver... |
| 18:59.43 | franko | oh, OK, it Intel.. |
| 18:59.48 | franko | forgot about that |
| 19:00.10 | franko | XD |
| 19:00.36 | KatolaZ | franko: the WM is not at all relevant |
| 19:00.50 | KatolaZ | you just need a way to configure the output |
| 19:00.58 | KatolaZ | which might be as easy as launching `arandr` |
| 19:01.34 | franko | It's not window manager I was really pointing at, but the screens and sound management of the DE... |
| 19:03.02 | franko | displays and sounds* |
| 19:03.16 | franko | [not a native english speaker] |
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| 19:04.53 | KatolaZ | franko: I don't know about sound, and I don't know about screens |
| 19:05.03 | KatolaZ | I know that I can project my screen over hdmi on beowulf |
| 19:05.09 | KatolaZ | mine is a lenovo laptop |
| 19:05.13 | KatolaZ | with an intel video card |
| 19:05.18 | KatolaZ | and it just works |
| 19:05.22 | KatolaZ | but I don't have xfce |
| 19:06.14 | franko | OK, that sounds encouraging |
| 19:06.46 | franko | I might need it tomorrow, but I have no means of testing it ATM... XD |
| 19:07.17 | franko | you haven't tested sound? |
| 19:07.27 | franko | through hdmi |
| 19:08.03 | KatolaZ | my mixer is mostly on mute anyway, franko :P |
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| 19:09.58 | franko | ...which is totally NOT my case... I am using sound through all the means I have... XD |
| 19:10.57 | franko | It's just that I do not have a TV, or any other HDMI capable device at home, except for my laptop, of course, so I haven't tested that on Devuan, yet. |
| 19:11.52 | KatolaZ | franko: does it work on any other distribution with a comparable kernel? |
| 19:12.20 | franko | yeah, in Ubuntu it just worked, last time I used it |
| 19:13.28 | KatolaZ | franko: which model is your laptop? |
| 19:14.33 | franko | It's an old Toshiba Satellite C50-B-15N |
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| 19:15.55 | franko | well, when you told me the visual part just works for you with beowulf and intel, I started to feel somewhat optimistic |
| 19:17.07 | franko | it means hdmi basically works, and then, we have pulseaudio, which should handle sound, just as Ubuntu has. So I am expecting it to work... but you never know... XD |
| 19:17.56 | KatolaZ | franko: https://www.linux-on-laptops.com/toshiba.html |
| 19:18.07 | KatolaZ | your model is not on linux-on-laptops but this does not mean much |
| 19:18.29 | KatolaZ | mine is not there either |
| 19:20.07 | franko | true |
| 19:20.12 | KatolaZ | franko: do you see your device when you run `aplay -l` ? |
| 19:20.56 | furrywolf | mine's not on there either. conclusion: not very useful. :) |
| 19:20.59 | KatolaZ | franko: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/390907/sound-via-hdmi-on-arch-linux <- this might be relevant |
| 19:20.59 | furrywolf | bbl, work |
| 19:21.29 | franko | Katolaz: yes, I see it with aplay |
| 19:21.37 | franko | KatolaZ |
| 19:24.17 | franko | yeah, I think it should work... I know how to use pavucontrol and all that... :-D |
| 19:25.30 | franko | What I was most concerned about was if hdmi support was not related to systemd or something... |
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