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| 16:37.12 | xrogaan | do you guys have a /etc/machine-id? |
| 16:37.30 | xrogaan | I don't have that file, but dbus creates /var/lib/dbus/machine-id |
| 16:38.15 | xrogaan | is /etc/machine-id a systemd stupidity? |
| 16:41.14 | KatolaZ | xrogaan: which distro? |
| 16:41.15 | KatolaZ | o_O |
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| 17:39.44 | xrogaan | this is in devuan /var/lib/dbus/machine-id |
| 17:40.09 | xrogaan | but /etc/machine-id is sometimes asked by random apps, like chromium |
| 17:40.23 | xrogaan | [7072:7072:1025/162001.326290:ERROR:browser_dm_token_storage_linux.cc(93)] Error: /etc/machine-id contains 32 characters (32 were expected). |
| 17:40.43 | xrogaan | there is no /etc/machine-id in devuan |
| 17:40.55 | xrogaan | apparently it's a systemd thing |
| 17:40.59 | xrogaan | I don't understand its purpose. |
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| 17:43.21 | furrywolf | its main purpose is to allow DRM-based services to identify you |
| 17:43.27 | golinux | Debian Bug Squashing Party (BSP) in Bern, Switzerland Nov. 3 |
| 17:43.29 | golinux | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=138914 |
| 17:43.56 | golinux | Over 500 bugs to squash |
| 17:44.40 | furrywolf | very carefully squashes golinux |
| 17:47.52 | golinux | Be careful of what might squish out! |
| 17:48.25 | golinux | I probably should have posted that to #debianfork. Sorry |
| 17:49.53 | furrywolf | lol |
| 17:57.15 | fluffy_pigeons | Hi, where Can I check what changes have been made to Devuan ASCII package repositories? I'm trying to build GNU Ring communicator from the source code, but it fails. Weird thing is that versions which I compiled successfully earlier now throws an error. I suspect it's devuan fault, because system reinstalling doesn't help and now every version is broken, so it can't be Ring's bug. Package which may cause compilation error is |
| 17:57.15 | fluffy_pigeons | libmsgpack-dev. Also Ring needs at least 1.1v, whereas 1.4.2-4v is installed (make said it could not be found). (Sorry if this message was sent twice, I'm new to IRC) |
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| 18:32.51 | xrogaan | fluffy_pigeons: download the sources (aptitude source PackageName), then check the patches. |
| 18:33.01 | xrogaan | -dev are header files |
| 18:33.35 | xrogaan | also there is a changelog per packages |
| 18:33.40 | xrogaan | apt-get changelog PackageName |
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| 18:50.46 | fluffy_pigeons | The last change of libmsgpack-dev was 2 years ago. I can't build for about a month. Could it be repo mirror issue? What should I do with the source? |
| 18:53.36 | Centurion_Dan | you need to figure out what causes the build to break... |
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| 18:54.08 | heaven | hello MinceR how are you oding today? |
| 18:54.17 | Centurion_Dan | fluffy_pigeons: perhaps a pastebin of the builds log |
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| 18:59.05 | fluffy_pigeons | here is the: log https://pastebin.com/WEuJ3ZAB |
| 19:01.23 | fluffy_pigeons | I compiled previous versions of GNU Ring on devuan earlier, now I can't, and it probably isn't Ring's fault. libmsgpack-dev is installed |
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| 19:18.28 | fugitive | Hello. Is anyone here using KDE ? |
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| 19:19.06 | fugitive | Apps like dolphin, konqueror are blazingly slow, and I have decent machine |
| 19:19.33 | fugitive | NOt sure how to be more ''verbose'' about it . :-) |
| 19:19.52 | system16 | how can i format a drive ? |
| 19:19.54 | system16 | mkfs ? |
| 19:20.01 | system16 | mkfs /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 19:20.14 | system16 | or is it mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1 |
| 19:20.35 | fugitive | depends which format you want to use, if ext4 then above is correct |
| 19:21.18 | fugitive | for vfat, mkfs.vfat /dev/sd[a-z] or so |
| 19:21.19 | Centurion_Dan | fluffy_pigeons: is that the whole log?? |
| 19:22.23 | fluffy_pigeons | no, the whole log is very long, this is only the part in which it fails |
| 19:27.50 | Centurion_Dan | is that the first use of msgpack? |
| 19:28.46 | Centurion_Dan | to me it looks more likely your missing having nettle or nettle-dev installed |
| 19:29.37 | system16 | fugitive, ext4 journaling file system = ext4 ? |
| 19:29.59 | Centurion_Dan | fluffy_pigeons: always try to paste the whole log - or at least a reasonable amount of context... |
| 19:31.59 | fugitive | system16: Yes |
| 19:32.41 | system16 | thx |
| 19:33.42 | fugitive | np |
| 19:33.54 | fluffy_pigeons | nettle is installed too. The full log is about 20000 lines. |
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| 19:40.22 | system16 | google says pm-suspense works on systemd... |
| 19:40.24 | system16 | well |
| 19:40.29 | system16 | they are wrong |
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| 19:41.47 | MinceR | pm-suspend works fine without cancerd |
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| 19:42.39 | system16 | Oof shots fired |
| 19:43.14 | system16 | btw my server only comes out of suspend when i open its lid |
| 19:43.27 | system16 | can i make it to wake up using a keyboard |
| 19:43.36 | system16 | *external keyboard |
| 19:45.17 | Centurion_Dan | system16: server??? open lid?? |
| 19:45.26 | system16 | its a netbook |
| 19:45.34 | system16 | repurposed as a SFTP serevr |
| 19:45.37 | system16 | server* |
| 19:45.54 | system16 | and netbooks have screens so... |
| 19:46.15 | MinceR | on thinkpads, pressing the Fn key wakes from suspend; on some others, pressing the Power button (briefly) does so |
| 19:46.23 | system16 | samsung ? |
| 19:46.44 | MinceR | closing and reopening the lid may also work |
| 19:46.51 | system16 | on a external keyboard ? |
| 19:46.58 | system16 | MinceR, its hard |
| 19:47.01 | MinceR | that's what she said. |
| 19:47.04 | fugitive | something related to ``acpi'', my lap top wakes on any key, so..offenly my cats turn it on |
| 19:47.10 | MinceR | i've never tried waking a suspended device from an external keyboard |
| 19:47.11 | system16 | because my server is in a strange place |
| 19:47.14 | Centurion_Dan | system16: often you need to set that in the bios... if it has an option like that... |
| 19:47.17 | MinceR | i tend to disconnect usb before suspending |
| 19:47.25 | system16 | Centurion_Dan, there is |
| 19:47.32 | system16 | i enabled it |
| 19:47.34 | MinceR | so i can stash the device without further disruptions |
| 19:47.40 | system16 | it is called wake on USB |
| 19:47.50 | Centurion_Dan | Wake on keyboard should work for any keyboard... |
| 19:48.42 | Centurion_Dan | you may be able to change the key combination... |
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| 20:14.42 | fluffy_pigeons | I have now a full log https://pastebin.com/Vbvu8nve |
| 20:16.25 | buZz | fluffy_pigeons: that code isnt compilable |
| 20:16.37 | buZz | also; /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpthreads |
| 20:16.48 | buZz | you may just want to install that if you want to link to it |
| 20:21.45 | fluffy_pigeons | Sorry, I'm new to IRC. Is green text different form /msg? |
| 20:22.41 | buZz | whats 'green text' , i didnt send any colours |
| 20:24.26 | fluffy_pigeons | When you respond me, I see your first message as green text. Something that says my IRC client, you're responding me, not someone else. |
| 20:25.02 | buZz | ah, probably because i mentioned your name ;) |
| 20:26.23 | fluffy_pigeons | Ok, so thats why everyone I text through /msg, acts so weird. |
| 20:26.45 | buZz | fluffy_pigeons: sudo apt install libpthread-stubs0-dev |
| 20:26.59 | buZz | should help for that -lphread error |
| 20:27.40 | fluffy_pigeons | it is installed already |
| 20:28.53 | buZz | then that error doesnt make sense |
| 20:29.11 | buZz | are you compiling inside some container or something? |
| 20:29.37 | fluffy_pigeons | Like a sandbox, vm? no |
| 20:29.47 | buZz | or docker? virtualenv? |
| 20:29.51 | fluffy_pigeons | no |
| 20:29.57 | buZz | ok, then i have no clue |
| 20:30.10 | buZz | maybe just reread the documents of the project you're trying to build? |
| 20:30.14 | buZz | or ask them for assistance |
| 20:31.02 | buZz | ring-project isnt a GNU project btw |
| 20:31.21 | buZz | its using a GNU written license yeah |
| 20:31.33 | fluffy_pigeons | I've asked them earlier. They ask me the same questions: "Have I installed X". |
| 20:31.55 | buZz | also, its already inside devuan |
| 20:31.56 | buZz | ring/stable 20161221.2.7bd7d91~dfsg1-1 amd64 |
| 20:31.57 | buZz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.01 | buZz | ring-daemon/stable 20161221.2.7bd7d91~dfsg1-1 amd64 |
| 20:32.01 | buZz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.25 | fluffy_pigeons | https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Ring it is a GNU package |
| 20:32.32 | buZz | in ascii-backports there are newer packages |
| 20:32.36 | buZz | ring/stable-backports 20171129.2.cf5bbff~ds1-1~bpo9+2 amd64 |
| 20:32.37 | buZz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.37 | buZz | ring-daemon/stable-backports 20171129.2.cf5bbff~ds1-1~bpo9+2 amd64 |
| 20:32.37 | buZz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.50 | fluffy_pigeons | 2017 11 29 is quite old... Last version was released this month. |
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| 20:38.22 | system16 | hi again |
| 20:38.32 | system16 | im ready to format the drive |
| 20:38.52 | system16 | what was the command that showed all drives and partitions |
| 20:38.58 | system16 | i cant remember it |
| 20:39.22 | fluffy_pigeons | system16: probably lsblk |
| 20:39.29 | buZz | fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 20:39.50 | heaven | lsblk |
| 20:39.51 | buZz | oh, lsblk , fancy |
| 20:40.10 | system16 | Proceed anyway? (y,n) |
| 20:40.15 | system16 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.15 | system16 | Proceed anyway? (y,n) |
| 20:40.24 | system16 | umm ? |
| 20:41.02 | heaven | no? |
| 20:41.06 | system16 | why ? |
| 20:41.14 | heaven | where is this message coming from |
| 20:41.18 | system16 | because there is no other partition |
| 20:41.22 | system16 | this : |
| 20:41.23 | buZz | system16: lsblk doesnt give that msg |
| 20:41.33 | system16 | mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb |
| 20:41.45 | buZz | yes, you didnt make any partition |
| 20:41.50 | system16 | so ? |
| 20:41.54 | heaven | yeah dont format the entire disk as ext4 |
| 20:41.56 | buZz | if you want to install grub on the same hdd, you wont be able to |
| 20:41.57 | heaven | you cant even boot that |
| 20:41.58 | heaven | i think |
| 20:42.01 | system16 | is it safe to say yes ? |
| 20:42.03 | heaven | no |
| 20:42.12 | system16 | no i dont want to boot from it |
| 20:42.23 | system16 | i just want to add storage to my sftp server |
| 20:43.02 | system16 | its not a boot drive |
| 20:43.21 | system16 | sda 8:0 0 232.9G 0 disk |
| 20:43.21 | system16 | ââsda1 8:1 0 230.9G 0 part / |
| 20:43.21 | system16 | ââsda2 8:2 0 1K 0 part |
| 20:43.21 | system16 | ââsda5 8:5 0 2G 0 part [SWAP] |
| 20:43.21 | system16 | sdb 8:16 0 931.5G 0 disk |
| 20:43.22 | system16 | sr0 11:0 1 30M 0 rom |
| 20:43.51 | system16 | see ? im running low on storage |
| 20:44.35 | system16 | so i have to partition the external drive ? |
| 20:46.23 | buZz | yes, that would be wise |
| 20:46.40 | system16 | but why tho |
| 20:46.47 | buZz | wait, -sftp- ? |
| 20:46.54 | system16 | yes |
| 20:47.02 | system16 | ssh file transfer protocol |
| 20:47.02 | buZz | oh, nmind i was thinking of tftp |
| 20:47.17 | system16 | ok so how can i partition it ? |
| 20:47.21 | buZz | careful, sftp can mean several different things :P |
| 20:47.25 | buZz | fdisk /dev/sdb |
| 20:47.41 | system16 | keep in mind that i want to apply chmod to this disk |
| 20:47.53 | buZz | eh :P |
| 20:47.56 | system16 | because devuan has OCD |
| 20:48.08 | buZz | devuan isnt doing much different from debian |
| 20:48.14 | buZz | so not sure what you're talking about :) |
| 20:48.15 | system16 | can i get away with no partitions ? |
| 20:48.16 | MinceR | that's sad |
| 20:48.50 | buZz | system16: its very adviced against |
| 20:48.56 | system16 | i mean, what could go wrong |
| 20:49.04 | buZz | but sure, linux allows you to shoot your foot in many interesting ways |
| 20:49.09 | buZz | using whole disks as fs is one |
| 20:50.27 | system16 | can i make a 936 GB partition ? |
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| 20:50.39 | system16 | (the whole drive) |
| 20:50.45 | system16 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.50 | buZz | yes |
| 20:50.53 | system16 | so i dont shoot my foot |
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| 20:51.25 | system16 | fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdb: Input/output error |
| 20:51.39 | buZz | :) are you root? |
| 20:51.45 | system16 | yes |
| 20:51.55 | buZz | check 'dmesg' |
| 20:51.59 | buZz | might just be a broken disk |
| 20:52.26 | system16 | critical target error, dev sdb, sector 0 |
| 20:52.26 | system16 | [17155.585950] Buffer I/O error on device sdb, logical block 0 |
| 20:52.33 | system16 | holy moly |
| 20:52.39 | system16 | to many to post |
| 20:53.37 | system16 | can i paste it on pastebin |
| 20:55.34 | system16 | [17155.592197] end_request: critical target error, dev sdb, sector 0 |
| 20:55.34 | system16 | [17155.596455] Buffer I/O error on device sdb, logical block 0 |
| 20:55.43 | buZz | yes, disk is near death |
| 20:55.43 | system16 | i can see a bunch of these |
| 20:55.47 | buZz | or the USB case |
| 20:55.50 | buZz | or the cable |
| 20:56.01 | system16 | so end of project ? |
| 20:56.05 | system16 | i mean |
| 20:56.11 | system16 | speccy said it was OK |
| 20:56.15 | buZz | dno, impossible to diagnose remotely |
| 20:56.19 | buZz | whats a speccy |
| 20:56.51 | system16 | disk check tool |
| 20:56.59 | buZz | never heard of |
| 20:57.09 | buZz | did you run that on the same hardware? |
| 20:57.17 | buZz | using same cable, same psu , same everything? |
| 20:57.35 | system16 | the server is a netbook |
| 20:57.42 | buZz | sorry to hear that |
| 20:57.43 | system16 | Client: HexChat 2.12.4 ⢠OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (x64) ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7400 @ 2.80GHz (2.80GHz) ⢠Memory: 3.0 GiB Total (1.6 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 1.1 TiB / 3.9 TiB (2.8 TiB Free) ⢠VGA: NVIDIA GeForce 9400 GT ⢠Uptime: 1w 1d 8h 5m 11s |
| 20:57.48 | system16 | this is my pc |
| 20:57.53 | buZz | system16: wrong distro |
| 20:58.01 | system16 | wha |
| 20:58.31 | buZz | upgrade that windows 10 poop to devuan |
| 20:58.34 | system16 | i manage the server with this pc |
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| 20:58.54 | system16 | rn i want to make this drive work agai :) |
| 20:58.56 | system16 | n |
| 20:59.00 | system16 | again* |
| 20:59.02 | buZz | alright |
| 20:59.06 | buZz | what did you try? |
| 20:59.25 | system16 | dmesg |
| 20:59.37 | system16 | can i force it to make a partition |
| 20:59.45 | system16 | the -f flag ? |
| 21:00.22 | system16 | let me try to format it on windows |
| 21:00.29 | system16 | maybe that helps |
| 21:00.55 | buZz | any disk that reports > Buffer I/O error on device sdb, logical block 0 |
| 21:00.58 | buZz | wont work |
| 21:01.03 | system16 | umount /dev/sdb |
| 21:01.03 | system16 | mount: can't find /dev/sdb in /etc/fstab |
| 21:01.08 | buZz | correct |
| 21:01.14 | system16 | problems keep pouring lol |
| 21:01.15 | buZz | its not mounted, it has no filesystem |
| 21:01.22 | system16 | it is NTFS |
| 21:01.28 | system16 | so yea |
| 21:01.40 | buZz | check just 'mount' |
| 21:01.46 | buZz | is it in there? if not, its not mounted |
| 21:02.22 | system16 | i unplugged it :) |
| 21:02.45 | system16 | i know that this is dead but im gonna give it another shot |
| 21:04.15 | system16 | formatting as exfat... |
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| 21:09.12 | system16 | still gives I/O error |
| 21:09.45 | system16 | so i guess its a lost cause |
| 21:10.03 | system16 | thanks anyways |
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| 21:31.16 | Centurion_Dan | system16: try probing the drive with smartctl... it may provide details of what's wrong |
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| 22:23.12 | cirdan | evening |
| 22:24.01 | cirdan | just wondering, but why was a full xorg env installed even though I deselected x11 in the installer. the only thing i left checked was standard system utils. i even did a console install |
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| 22:31.24 | fsmithred | cirdan, that's unusual. I install the same way, and I've never had that happen. |
| 22:32.22 | fsmithred | maybe there's a hint in the installer log. I don't remember the exact file name, but it should be in /var/log (probably /var/log/installer) |
| 22:33.31 | cirdan | yeah i was surprised and annoyed |
| 22:34.23 | cirdan | also i wish raspbian would go with devuan, or at least a systemd-less debian base :) |
| 22:36.32 | fsmithred | don't we have an equivalent image for rpi? |
| 22:39.09 | fsmithred | cirdan, https://files.roundr.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/embedded/ |
| 22:42.07 | cirdan | i mean with all the special rpi bits |
| 22:42.30 | fsmithred | oh, I don't know the details about either of them |
| 22:42.42 | fsmithred | what bits? |
| 22:44.34 | cirdan | device tree stuff, custom kernels, some drivers and apps |
| 22:46.48 | cirdan | is the embedded built with hard foat abi? |
| 22:47.07 | Centurion_Dan | cirdan: I believe thats all there, although I think some of the odd chips in the rpi 1 and rpi 0 series that aren't proper arm7 are only armel and don't have the hardfloat abi |
| 22:47.43 | cirdan | Centurion_Dan: not sure about that since the raspbian images work with every pi version |
| 22:47.52 | Centurion_Dan | the rpi3 being arm64 is built with everything arm64 |
| 22:48.05 | Centurion_Dan | in devuan at least. |
| 22:48.11 | cirdan | yeah but not raspbian |
| 22:49.15 | cirdan | the 3b+ is arm8 but it reports arm7 by default |
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| 22:51.00 | Centurion_Dan | cirdan: IIRC raspbian did a custom architecture to take advantage of the vpf and neon - but the newer arm7 chips on later rpi2's didn't get their own armhf build as that would pretty much be just debian... |
| 22:51.47 | cirdan | yeah i read the faq |
| 22:51.59 | Centurion_Dan | cirdan: devuan had working arm8 compatible arm64 before debian did. |
| 22:52.25 | Centurion_Dan | as ready to go images for arm64 hardware. |
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| 23:24.47 | cirdan | something with tasksel wantd to install x11 |
| 23:28.55 | Tashtari | "raspbuan"? :) |
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| 23:31.54 | cirdan | rasputan |
| 23:34.26 | Centurion_Dan | rus-putin |
| 23:34.31 | Centurion_Dan | ;-) |
| 23:35.01 | Centurion_Dan | rasvuan |
| 23:42.07 | cirdan | still like rasputan |
| 23:43.45 | buZz | cirdan: xorg is only installed if you keep 'devuan desktop' selected in tasksel |
| 23:43.48 | buZz | at least on ascii |
| 23:44.04 | cirdan | i unselected it |
| 23:44.09 | cirdan | very weird |
| 23:44.24 | buZz | cirdan: the rpi3b+ reports as armv8 to me ;) |
| 23:44.34 | buZz | (with devuan) |
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| 23:45.49 | buZz | hmm dont have one on |