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| 00:23.49 | *** topic/#devuan is Stable (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release || Latest (2018-05-10): ASCII 2.0.0 release candidate is out! || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 00:25.29 | Xenguy | I'd still swap the 1st and the 2nd |
| 00:25.44 | Xenguy | Make ASCII the first item |
| 00:26.39 | Xenguy | But perhaps I am but splitting hairs |
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| 00:46.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think that's a good idea, I also missed the update since it wasn't first |
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| 00:47.12 | *** topic/#devuan by DocScrutinizer05 -> Latest (2018-05-10): ASCII 2.0.0 release candidate is out! || Stable (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 00:50.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://tinyurl.com/y87jyodr |
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| 00:50.27 | *** topic/#devuan by DocScrutinizer05 -> Latest (2018-05-10): ASCII 2.0.0 release candidate is out! http://tinyurl.com/y87jyodr || Stable (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 01:27.54 | Criggie | apt update && apt dist-upgrade |
| 01:28.02 | Criggie | wrong window - sorry |
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| 04:24.07 | Artemis3 | I see that you can pick from sysv or openrc in Devuan 2, are there any plans to add runit as well? |
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| 04:48.06 | KatolaZ | Artemis3: maybe in beowulf |
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| 05:11.45 | xrogaan | which news aggregator do you people use? |
| 05:12.36 | xrogaan | liferea is a joke, at least in the version currently available in the repository. |
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| 05:25.20 | telst4r | why is it a joke? |
| 05:26.45 | bozonius | telst4r: A programmer is walking down the road when he comes to a liferea |
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| 05:28.47 | bozonius | so the guy says, OK, but you will have to boot your computer with my ugly daughter, systemd |
| 05:29.03 | telst4r | so that's why I'm not a programmer. hmm, canto? newsbeuter? |
| 05:29.58 | bozonius | the sysadmin grabs the last parachute, puts it on, and jumps out of the plane |
| 05:33.03 | bozonius | question about rc installer: If I select "Devuan Desktop Environment," does that mean it will install all of the "..." environments? |
| 05:33.57 | Jjp137 | if nothing else is selected, I believe it defaults to Xfce |
| 05:34.35 | bozonius | Thanks, Jjp137. It is a bit... fuzzy |
| 05:34.49 | KatolaZ | no bozonius |
| 05:35.00 | KatolaZ | only the default (XFCE) |
| 05:35.11 | KatolaZ | oh Jjp137 had answered already |
| 05:35.12 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 05:35.13 | bozonius | thanks KatolaZ |
| 05:35.14 | bozonius | np |
| 05:37.39 | bozonius | what does checking ONLY Xfce AND NOT Devuan DE do? |
| 05:38.23 | bozonius | bbs |
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| 06:22.58 | Jjp137 | bozonius, from testing on a VM, it'll do the same thing as if you selected Devuan DE anyway (task-xfce-desktop depends on task-desktop which depends on desktop-base) |
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| 14:51.44 | buZz | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 20845600 May 11 16:45 neo-core2_headless_devuan_ascii_arm64_20180511-1631.img.gz |
| 14:51.47 | buZz | \o |
| 14:51.57 | buZz | wonder if it works :P |
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| 16:46.56 | bozonius | Dad, what is this thing "Paper Size?" Why would anyone need paper? |
| 16:47.18 | bozonius | Isn't that bad for the trees? |
| 16:48.35 | OmegaPhil | No, stoppit, I'm not old |
| 16:48.59 | bozonius | Are so, you, you... VUA!!! |
| 16:49.24 | OmegaPhil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.29 | bozonius | (would that look any better on paper?) |
| 16:50.59 | OmegaPhil | Only if the paper has an appropriately configured unicode font |
| 16:52.08 | bozonius | Hey, I installed Hexchat with all the defaults. I no touched nothing. Someone else's fault then. |
| 16:53.56 | bozonius | at the END of install: "An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again..." |
| 16:54.44 | bozonius | I chose the default LVM partitioning. Apparently, it was not the right solution for the default package selection. |
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| 16:57.55 | bozonius | The installer takes me back to "Select and install software," which I unwittingly click since I figure that to be the intended next step, and it fails again. And again. |
| 16:58.24 | bozonius | Does not ever allow me to select anything. Just fails. |
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| 16:58.50 | bozonius | (I don't know. Is this actually interesting? Or am I only entertaining myself?) |
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| 20:09.07 | bozonius | so I went back a step to "Configure the package manager" thinking maybe that would help reset things a bit |
| 20:09.40 | bozonius | It lets me change mirror, I select the same as before (top of list), then it proceeds to fail again. |
| 20:09.47 | bozonius | I am resigned to starting all over again. |
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| 20:10.10 | bozonius | This is the full graphical installer, in expert mode |
| 20:10.28 | bozonius | (why is a user named "bozonius" trying to use expert mode??? LOL) |
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| 20:17.22 | gnarface | bozonius: did you try to use LVM with RAID or encryption at the same time? there was some issue i recall... |
| 20:18.03 | gnarface | something you could sidestep if you knew about LVM but it probably would be easier to just resort to manual partitioning and ditch LVM unless you have some special need |
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| 20:19.18 | gnarface | all you really need for a laptop is 2 partitions; one little one for swap and the everything else on the big one |
| 20:19.43 | gnarface | there's no real need for a complex partition layout if you don't know what it's for |
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| 21:10.14 | bozonius | thanks gnarface. Actually, it is a VM on a desktop. And I find it easier to manage disk space with LVM than hard partitioning. Just a preference. |
| 21:11.19 | bozonius | The point, really, is that the install did not cooperate. At least, not totally. I admit it is a bit esoteric perhaps, but still, if it is intended to be a supported feature of the install, it best work. |
| 21:12.08 | gnarface | your fundamental error in judgment may simply be in assuming that a VM consists of expected behavior |
| 21:12.32 | gnarface | i just recalled another issue specifically with LVM in a VM |
| 21:12.47 | gnarface | it might have also had some combination of RAID and LUKS involved |
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| 21:14.21 | muep | I recall some such issues from years ago but my impression is that they got fixed. nowadays lvm is a default setup for a number of things so I'd not be very suspicious of it |
| 21:14.55 | gnarface | the issues i'm recalling are from this year |
| 21:15.06 | muep | links to issues would be interesting |
| 21:15.34 | gnarface | it might matter which vm, and i don't have links. i'm just going off my memory of people complaining "it doesn't work" in this channel |
| 21:15.45 | bozonius | gnarface: I can't think of too many things, software or otherwise, that do not have at least a few issues |
| 21:15.57 | gnarface | (that suggests the primary VM culprits to be vbox and docker) |
| 21:16.06 | bozonius | was probably one of those people complaining, too... |
| 21:16.37 | muep | I'm sure many know already, but should maybe mention that docker isn't a VM |
| 21:16.50 | gnarface | wtf actually is it though? |
| 21:17.06 | bozonius | sort of a hybrid |
| 21:17.29 | NewGnuGuy | Docker: https://xkcd.com/1988/ |
| 21:17.38 | bozonius | it uses memory mapping to segregate runtimes, but uses a common set of file systems. |
| 21:18.08 | bozonius | kind of like a sophisticated chroot environment |
| 21:18.17 | muep | I would not describe the segregation mechanism as "memory mapping" |
| 21:18.39 | nacelle | containerism has been around for a long time |
| 21:18.53 | bozonius | each container gets its own memory map so its own memory doesn't write other containers' |
| 21:18.53 | nacelle | docker is a special flavor |
| 21:18.56 | muep | that's more what is done by the kernel to isolate processes. the kernel mechanism that docker uses to segregate containers from host and each other is called namespaces |
| 21:19.22 | muep | bozonius: I don't think they get any more special memory mapping than what each process gets |
| 21:19.48 | bozonius | gotta go --- dr's appt |
| 21:20.00 | bozonius | bbl |
| 21:21.48 | muep | but if you know chroot, it is a bit like that. it is just more isolated stuff beyond the tree of files seen by the process |
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