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| 00:04.58 | MinceR | perhaps some of those characters are bold? |
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| 00:17.01 | blop | no bold codes in the text |
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| 00:17.35 | blop | but maybe irssi is doing odd things. i'll write a script to convert the pics to ANSI escape sequences one of these days |
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| 01:19.29 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 01:44.10 | Guest89523 | MinceR: Steve Litt dedicated a post to another terminal (sakura): |
| 01:44.11 | Guest89523 | http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/sakura.htm |
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| 07:50.12 | aitor | g'morning |
| 07:52.27 | Guest98580 | i've built succesfully linux-libre-4.9.82 in jessie; yesterday's error was due to a missing debian/kernelvariables.patch, i think |
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| 09:32.10 | _abc_ | Hi. I need to time my entrances better to talk to North American developers heh. I'm in Europe, timezone issues. |
| 09:33.52 | _abc_ | Anyway, wrt speeding up the browser, firefox, in devuan jessie live (and not only): I made that script fsmithred copied, it's way overkill. After a lot of testing, it's enough to tmpfs mount /home/devuan/.cache/modzilla/firefox/$profile_name with a preset size like 256MB (seems to be enough for most things I do, never fills more than 160MB or so). This makes for a tremendous speedup. |
| 09:34.27 | _abc_ | The command is simply: sudo mount -t tmpfs -o size=$TMPFS_CACHE_SZ tmpfs $TMPFS_CACHE_MOUNT_POINT |
| 09:35.02 | _abc_ | Where TMPFS_CACHE_SZ=256m and TMPFS_CACHE_MOUNT_POINT=/home/devuan/.cache/mozilla/firefox/$profile_name |
| 09:35.45 | _abc_ | Turn on swap on some swappable disk partition to make more room if there's not enough ram. I use the above with only 1GB ram and it seems to not need swapping excepting when I go overboard with 10 tabs open, libreoffice open and a few other things. |
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| 09:36.38 | _abc_ | note: bookmarking in ff is still very slow, the bookmarks are in ~/.mozilla/firefox/$profile_name ; and not accelerated by the above command |
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| 09:37.45 | _abc_ | new topic: when using the live system with persistence, it SHOULD be arranged for the kernel to run fsck on the to-be-mounted persistence volume. This is tricky because only volumes marked for persistence should be fsck'd. So, what I propose it: |
| 09:37.50 | _abc_ | *is |
| 09:38.26 | _abc_ | a) in the script, proceed as till now, until a persistence volume is found and validated (has persistence.conf), but mount it read-only! |
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| 09:39.06 | _abc_ | b) run fsck on it c) remount rw if succeeded, else raise an error, probably in the text mode boot terminal lines. |
| 09:39.23 | Guest98580 | _abc_: bookmarks are in /home/devjuan/.mozilla/firefox/883qawck.default/places.sqlite |
| 09:39.39 | Guest98580 | am i wrong? |
| 09:40.29 | _abc_ | This is a simple change but needed, since currently after a persistent volume live system crash, the persistent data is mounted with errors and all, repeatedly. I once got to three reboots into it before I noticed the mount dirty message in dmesg for unrelated reasons and backtracked. |
| 09:40.56 | _abc_ | Guest98580: you are right but accessing the whole thing should be accelerated since there is more to it, cookies, passwords, indexes thereof etc |
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| 09:41.28 | _abc_ | Guest98580: my script from last week does this, copying the whole /home/devjuan/.mozilla/firefox/$profile_name out, then tmpfs mounting it, and copying it back in |
| 09:41.45 | _abc_ | Then at ff session end, saves the tmpfs tree back to persistence |
| 09:41.51 | Guest98580 | ok :) |
| 09:42.15 | _abc_ | Except my script naively also saved and restored the cache, which is not needed. |
| 09:42.35 | _abc_ | New version script does not save the cache at all, and leaves the $profile in place |
| 09:42.46 | _abc_ | This makes for slow bokmarks etc |
| 09:43.11 | _abc_ | So the best way is to a) tmpfs mount the cache b) tmpfs mount the profile and copy it in/out for restoration |
| 09:43.30 | _abc_ | Right now I am running with only a) and it is okay excepting for painfully slow bookmark operations |
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| 11:19.44 | _abc_ | Will repost / restart discussion when North American guys are possibly awake :) |
| 11:22.14 | jonadab | Early risers in the Eastern timezone are up now. |
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| 11:39.45 | _abc_ | counts one |
| 11:39.54 | _abc_ | and another unrelated one on another channel |
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| 12:46.08 | fsmithred | _abc_, I copied the command. Thanks. |
| 12:47.02 | fsmithred | when you're done browsing, you copy the tmpfs to storage? |
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| 13:23.03 | zer0def | hum⦠how is that different than forking profile-sync-daemon while stripping away systemd-specifics? |
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| 13:26.11 | zer0def | s/stripping away/replacing/ |
| 13:29.49 | zer0def | ideally, maintaining $preferred_init-specifics in the same project, especially given how graysky openly states laziness, so someone could pick up his slack in that regard |
| 13:30.09 | nailyk | hi all. FI "remmina" package is broken due to invalid dependencies versions. |
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| 13:33.02 | _abc_ | fsmithred: in my old script, from last week, I copied both cache and profile into tmpfs, this made it run fast. In my 2nd version I copied only the profile into tmpfs, and made the cache empty in tmpfs, now I run just cache in tmpfs, profile in usb stick, this is fast for browsing, very slow for bookamrks etc. |
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| 13:33.38 | _abc_ | fsmithred: so the full answer is: v3 of the script which I will write soon [tm] will do the cache on tmpfs, empty, and profile on tmpfs on demand (user setting). |
| 13:33.40 | nailyk | (on ascii) |
| 13:33.48 | _abc_ | v3 does not exist yet |
| 13:34.17 | _abc_ | fsmithred: and yes when the profile is copied into tmpfs, and done browsing, one copies the tmpfs back into storage. |
| 13:34.24 | _abc_ | fsmithred: this takes 1-5 seconds here. |
| 13:34.24 | chillfan | i will see if i can reproduce that |
| 13:34.34 | _abc_ | i.e. very manageable |
| 13:39.13 | chillfan | nailyk: did you apt-get update.. that package seems to install ok here |
| 13:40.03 | chillfan | also, which mirror are you using? |
| 13:40.20 | nailyk | yes tried before & after aptitude update |
| 13:40.35 | nailyk | http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged |
| 13:41.47 | nailyk | https://claude.nailyk.fr/index.php/s/O8vzEWtayu1gsIr |
| 13:42.37 | chillfan | hm this is going a little slow brb |
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| 13:43.51 | _abc_ | Rookie question: suggest a way to find all updated and newly installed packages in a running system (jessie), using a script. Output should be suitable for passing to apt-get install on another system |
| 13:44.31 | _abc_ | I assume running find -ctime -$well_chosen_date_in_the_past in some package directories belonging to apt should yield the needed info? |
| 13:44.49 | nailyk | chillfan: install attempt: https://claude.nailyk.fr/index.php/s/O8vzEWtayu1gsIr / apt-cache policy & depends https://paste.debian.net/1011898/ |
| 13:45.13 | chillfan | ok a bit odd that it doesn't work for me, whats your sources.list look like |
| 13:45.22 | nailyk | maybe we can swith private, I just intterupt a talk about something else ? |
| 13:46.54 | chillfan | na it's fine i think |
| 13:47.34 | chillfan | probably should file a bug report if sources.list is standard/no pinning |
| 13:47.54 | nailyk | no pining. Just end formating the paste |
| 13:48.02 | nailyk | https://paste.debian.net/1011899/ |
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| 13:53.09 | chillfan | ah, you're mixing repos.. videolan repos and devuan repos |
| 13:53.41 | chillfan | try without the videolan repos, see if it fixes it for you.. also, just to point out you are missing 'non-free' on your security line |
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| 14:09.45 | ejr | when ascii is released officially, will we be notified here in the chan? |
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| 14:15.20 | koollman | ejr: most likely yes |
| 14:16.03 | nailyk | chillfan: yes, wanna have last vlc for some testing purposes. IDK non-free where in security. Thanks. |
| 14:16.56 | nailyk | Same without vlc and after adding non-free on security |
| 14:24.08 | nailyk | funny: https://paste.debian.net/1011907/ |
| 14:24.43 | fsmithred | _abc_, look at /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 14:24.49 | nailyk | (I obviously ran aptitude updated before) |
| 14:31.00 | fsmithred | nailyk, remmina is only in backports, so maybe you need to do 'apt-get -t ascii-backports install remmina' |
| 14:32.06 | nailyk | same error :s |
| 14:33.25 | chillfan | yeah you can get it from backports without vlc repos enabled |
| 14:33.30 | nailyk | after adding some dependencies on the apt-get install -t backports command something different pops out: Dépend: remmina-common (= 1.2.0-rcgit.26+dfsg-1~bpo9+1) |
| 14:33.40 | nailyk | Candidat : 1.2.0-rcgit.24-2~bpo9+1 |
| 14:33.49 | chillfan | probably they are conflicting there |
| 14:34.27 | nailyk | vlc repo already disabled |
| 14:36.22 | fsmithred | I see 1.2.0-rcgit.26+dfsg-1~bpo9+1 in ascii-backports |
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| 14:40.29 | _abc_ | fsmithred: thanks |
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| 14:41.54 | fsmithred | if you want to keep two systems in sysc, maybe an rsync script would do it |
| 14:43.42 | _abc_ | Well one is interested in a full package list to install on a new installed system, copying the ones on an old or live one. Which is my case. |
| 14:43.57 | fsmithred | dpkg --get-selections |
| 14:44.05 | fsmithred | dpkg --set-selections |
| 14:44.22 | fsmithred | run the first command on the old system and the second on the new |
| 14:44.31 | _abc_ | And that gives? |
| 14:44.53 | _abc_ | Oh I see. I need to intersect them? |
| 14:45.15 | _abc_ | What does apt-get install $pkg do if the pkg is already installed? |
| 14:45.20 | _abc_ | Skip and complain? Other? |
| 14:45.31 | _abc_ | I need to really practice my apt and dpkg skills |
| 14:45.41 | _abc_ | Which are nonexsitant now |
| 14:45.42 | nailyk | fsmithred: can you please share me your source.list line about backports ? Mine report only 24-2 |
| 14:46.15 | fsmithred | same as yours but using pkgmaster.devuan.org instead of packages.devuan.org |
| 14:46.20 | n4dir | if a package is already installed apt-get will inform you about it. |
| 14:46.41 | fsmithred | _abc_ look at https://github.com/fsmithred/refracta/blob/master/get-selections.sh |
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| 14:47.42 | fsmithred | yeah, apt will either say "pkg is already the latest version" or it will upgrade it to the latest |
| 14:48.54 | _abc_ | and to pin it as is / not upgrade, I assume there is a magic option to apt-get? |
| 14:49.11 | fsmithred | yeah, probably |
| 14:49.13 | fsmithred | lol |
| 14:49.20 | fsmithred | I don't know all the incantations by heart |
| 14:49.38 | n4dir | to pin as not upgrade? you mean you have a package installed, and don't want to upgrade it? |
| 14:50.40 | fsmithred | _abc_, don't just run that script. It's old and may not work right. Just use the commands in it manually until you're sure it's safe |
| 14:50.54 | _abc_ | fsmithred: bookmarked |
| 14:51.00 | fsmithred | and there's a set-selections script in the same dir (with the same warning) |
| 14:51.05 | _abc_ | ok |
| 14:51.09 | nailyk | fsmithred: many thanks! I had a typo into the source.list with mixed pkmaster.devuan & packages.devuan :) |
| 14:52.08 | fsmithred | easy fixes are good |
| 14:53.12 | nailyk | :) |
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| 15:35.18 | _abc_ | fsmithred: another: aptitude etc are dog slow on the live system, should be a way to acceleate using tmpfs mounting this and that. Any clues on where to look? |
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| 15:36.09 | fsmithred | check in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 15:36.28 | fsmithred | I'm not sure if all installed packages go there or just packages that get upgraded |
| 15:46.25 | _abc_ | deleted 500mb |
| 15:47.26 | _abc_ | fsmithred: what's the kernel boot time cli suffix to boot devuan jessie live to console only? 4 ? |
| 15:47.59 | _abc_ | Also how does one edit the devuan jessie graphical boot menu? Tab does not open an editable line, c does, but it is blank, not prefilled |
| 15:48.04 | fsmithred | _abc_, there's no console-only boot |
| 15:48.11 | _abc_ | uh? Why not? |
| 15:48.20 | fsmithred | devuan-live uses standard debian runlevels |
| 15:48.27 | _abc_ | It is useful when the graphics system is balky |
| 15:48.43 | fsmithred | runlevels 2-5 are multi-user graphical |
| 15:49.06 | fsmithred | I agree - that's why I make runlevel 3 cli only in Refracta isos |
| 15:49.13 | _abc_ | okay |
| 15:49.34 | _abc_ | 3 is the default graphical runlevel on slackware and historically ;/ |
| 15:50.00 | fsmithred | disable display manager in one runlevel to accomplish that |
| 15:50.02 | _abc_ | Also on knoppix. Dr. knopper also turned away from systemd in his latest releases. Maybe some cross polination with devuan would be in order? |
| 15:50.13 | fsmithred | well, sidux and a few others used 3 |
| 15:50.18 | _abc_ | Yes but it has to be on the live disk. No way to edit it while it is on live |
| 15:50.29 | _abc_ | 3 was the "traditional" gui runlevel |
| 15:50.32 | fsmithred | redhat and suse have (had?) 2 and 3 for non-graphical |
| 15:50.47 | fsmithred | you can change it if you have full persistence |
| 15:50.56 | _abc_ | I ran suse from cca. 1999 till 2003 or so |
| 15:51.01 | _abc_ | Don't remember that detail |
| 15:51.10 | fsmithred | 5 was default |
| 15:51.18 | _abc_ | Sure I need the non gui level to be able to set up persistence ;) |
| 15:51.22 | _abc_ | sometimes |
| 15:51.27 | _abc_ | Anyway, noted, thanks. |
| 15:51.41 | _abc_ | Okay, break time, will be back |
| 15:52.00 | fsmithred | you can set up persistence in a live session, then reboot into it |
| 15:52.33 | _abc_ | You need to be able to boot to do that. I have old video cards which go black when the video mode switches. vga=normal does not help |
| 15:52.35 | fsmithred | you won't be able to edit the boot menu |
| 15:53.20 | fsmithred | I'm confused. Don't you need to be able to boot to use it? |
| 15:57.36 | _abc_ | hm? Of course I can't edit the boot menu. But I assume the edited inittab is read from persistence if edited. |
| 15:58.14 | _abc_ | To set it up, I need to boot the stick in another system, and set that gui less runlevel, then I can boot in that runlevel in the real system and try to make the video card behave. |
| 15:58.43 | fsmithred | ah, ok |
| 15:58.53 | fsmithred | you can get to single-user mode |
| 15:58.59 | fsmithred | just add 1 to the boot command |
| 15:59.15 | _abc_ | oh. I did not try that. |
| 15:59.22 | fsmithred | pretty sure it works |
| 15:59.46 | fsmithred | or add s or single |
| 16:00.13 | _abc_ | s I tried |
| 16:01.01 | _abc_ | Where is X11 started from? It is not from inittab. Iirc suse did that, and knoppix |
| 16:01.24 | _abc_ | How does one boot into emergency mode? -b ? |
| 16:01.35 | fsmithred | emergency mode? |
| 16:01.58 | _abc_ | inittab has a line to the effect of botting into emergency mode, -b |
| 16:03.34 | fsmithred | add 'single' to boot line and then give root password when it asks |
| 16:03.37 | fsmithred | toor |
| 16:03.41 | _abc_ | ah that |
| 16:04.13 | _abc_ | okay |
| 16:04.32 | _abc_ | Where is X started from on devuan? |
| 16:04.38 | _abc_ | rc.?? |
| 16:04.42 | fsmithred | not sure |
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| 16:05.40 | fsmithred | display manager in /etc/init.d I think |
| 16:06.48 | fsmithred | another way I just did it: add noautologin to boot line |
| 16:07.12 | fsmithred | you might need to ctrl-alt-F1 to get to a console login |
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| 16:08.05 | _abc_ | rcS.d/S23x11-common -> ../init.d/x11-common |
| 16:08.26 | _abc_ | noautologin does what? |
| 16:09.23 | _abc_ | no, that is just the setup. So noautologin does not auto login devuan user, which does not start x |
| 16:11.39 | _abc_ | I am not following heh. Slim is started from /etc/rc.d/ |
| 16:11.48 | _abc_ | But x11 is not, at least not explicitly |
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| 16:12.17 | fsmithred | yeah, I think the display managers all start x |
| 16:12.25 | fsmithred | and without a dm, you have to startx |
| 16:12.58 | _abc_ | I don't see a dm start line anywhere |
| 16:13.06 | _abc_ | slim does not start it |
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| 16:15.06 | _abc_ | Oh wait |
| 16:15.24 | fsmithred | check what other files it sources |
| 16:16.50 | _abc_ | /etc/slim.conf seems to configm slim starts the server. Interesting. |
| 16:16.55 | _abc_ | Le monde a l'envers. |
| 16:17.38 | _abc_ | And with this: insight: /etc/slim.conf edit to remove 'nolisten -tcp' to make devuan live sesstions x11 remote accessible on the network |
| 16:18.05 | fsmithred | huh |
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| 16:18.53 | fsmithred | I just use ssh for that |
| 16:19.16 | _abc_ | ssh -Y will work yes, but on the lan, you can simply use direct x11 |
| 16:19.45 | fsmithred | I've never done that |
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| 16:20.48 | _abc_ | ssh -Y works around xauth problems and other issues |
| 16:21.05 | _abc_ | direct x11 is the original way to use x11 on a lan and is faster than ssh |
| 16:21.18 | _abc_ | it does have xauth issues |
| 16:21.48 | _abc_ | in my unmodified /etc/slim.conf default_user devuan appears twice. Should be once only? Does it matter? |
| 16:22.08 | fsmithred | I have to see it |
| 16:22.10 | fsmithred | hang on |
| 16:22.30 | _abc_ | How does one disable the slim 'console' login? |
| 16:23.21 | _abc_ | console_cmd "" should work? |
| 16:24.06 | _abc_ | heh https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM is far more complete than the default manpage for slim.conf |
| 16:24.46 | fsmithred | just once for default user |
| 16:26.06 | _abc_ | hm maybe I did that as a typo. Editing now. Did not notice, honestly. |
| 16:28.22 | _abc_ | heh fsmithred https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM @systemd (in page) |
| 16:28.36 | fsmithred | no, you didn't make the extra default_user line. |
| 16:28.43 | _abc_ | I did not? |
| 16:28.44 | fsmithred | it's in the live iso I just booted |
| 16:28.51 | fsmithred | might be from live-config |
| 16:28.53 | _abc_ | oh so I was right. Does not seem to matter |
| 16:29.17 | fsmithred | I assume it would use the last one if they had different names |
| 16:29.27 | _abc_ | If you boot live devuan in a running devuan do you have a quemu line for that? |
| 16:29.42 | _abc_ | fsmithred: I'd expect defensive programming to do that or to raise at least a warning in the log |
| 16:29.51 | fsmithred | I have a script for booting isos in qemu |
| 16:30.34 | _abc_ | set console_cmd to /bin/true hope it's ok and will not loop forever |
| 16:30.53 | _abc_ | fsmithred: is it on github? I just need the qemu params if you have them |
| 16:31.01 | _abc_ | Not for today, will bookmark |
| 16:31.14 | fsmithred | not online anywhere |
| 16:31.23 | fsmithred | booting an iso is pretty simple |
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| 16:32.06 | _abc_ | Yea, but what devices, what network mode, etc |
| 16:32.24 | _abc_ | Also do you boot it in iso mode or in hybrid hdd mode. Think persistence |
| 16:32.33 | fsmithred | iso |
| 16:33.05 | fsmithred | I don't need persistence when I boot isos in qemu - I'm just checking stuff in the iso |
| 16:33.18 | _abc_ | Technically if during qemu use one sets up persistence on another virtual volume, and copies that into the iso when written on larger media, it would not matter, right? |
| 16:33.46 | _abc_ | I need to set up self aware persistence eventually. Meaning, default boot option in remastered live session will have persistence one |
| 16:34.17 | fsmithred | just make that the first boot entry |
| 16:34.22 | _abc_ | Not urgently but soon. Yes. |
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| 16:34.46 | _abc_ | default gui user pwd is devuan no? |
| 16:34.55 | fsmithred | persistent volume does not have to be on the same physical device as the live system |
| 16:35.03 | fsmithred | yes, devuan:devuan |
| 16:35.07 | fsmithred | root:toor |
| 16:35.21 | _abc_ | ok |
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| 16:35.39 | _abc_ | Somehow a system I installed and configured reverted to default install |
| 16:35.54 | _abc_ | I assume malicious little bastard played with it, no other way |
| 16:36.36 | _abc_ | I have to edit the boot options on that system, they allow malicious little bastards to play with the settings |
| 16:36.48 | fsmithred | http://termbin.com/86b4 |
| 16:36.57 | _abc_ | Editing the boot menu on an installed devuan jessie is just usual grub2 editing right? |
| 16:36.58 | fsmithred | qemu options are at the end |
| 16:37.08 | fsmithred | yes |
| 16:37.48 | _abc_ | got it |
| 16:37.51 | fsmithred | your enemies are at your workplace or at home? |
| 16:37.51 | _abc_ | the script |
| 16:38.50 | _abc_ | bookmarked termbin too |
| 16:39.19 | fsmithred | it's nice to be able to use that from command line |
| 16:39.34 | _abc_ | Yes. I have my own pastebin command pastes to local web server ... |
| 16:39.40 | _abc_ | Disabled now |
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| 17:17.21 | vil | I'm trying to boot the qcow2 image in qemu via libvirt but I'm getting dropped to the initramfs shell with the message "/dev/sda1 does not exist"; I see that /dev/vda1 does, am I missing some kernel parameters or similar? |
| 17:17.38 | vil | this is the ascii image but I had the same issue with jessie |
| 17:23.04 | vil | oh, I think my libvirt xml was actually generated with the incorrect target device |
| 17:23.06 | vil | carry on |
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| 18:41.31 | gnu_srs | Hi, who is sending troll emails to the DNG email list? Stop that person! |
| 18:45.26 | golinux | Impossible because they keep changing their user name. The world is a very sick place in 2018. |
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| 18:49.12 | msiism | golinux: haven't noticed much of a difference yet |
| 18:50.23 | msiism | so, is there someone dealing with this (troll e-mail)? |
| 18:51.15 | msiism | you could maybe freeze open registration as a temporary measure. |
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| 21:22.25 | Guest77038 | gnu_srs: the latest rubbish comming from @firemail.cc |
| 21:26.37 | Guest77038 | i've just pushed linux-libre-4.9.83 to gitlab, you can build it in jessie + backports |
| 21:26.39 | Guest77038 | https://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/linux-libre/tree/master |
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| 21:55.39 | vil | I just automated creating an ansible user with `virsh send-key` because the qcow is too secure to automate |
| 21:55.47 | vil | it works, and I don't know how to feel about it |
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| 22:50.20 | Guest77038 | i'm uploading the packages of linux-libre-4.9.83 for i386: |
| 22:50.22 | Guest77038 | gnuinos.org/linux-libre-4.9.83 |
| 22:50.46 | Guest77038 | late for me, see you tomorrow :) |
| 22:50.57 | chillfan | later aitor |
| 22:51.43 | Guest77038 | bye chillfan, i'll finish the translations this week |
| 22:51.54 | chillfan | when it's ready mate :) |
| 22:51.59 | chillfan | and thanks |
| 22:52.18 | Guest77038 | not at all, and don't feed the trolls :) |
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