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| 00:02.49 | fsmithred | I don't think it's going to work. I booted a live iso and chrooted the install, but I can't install anything and there's no bootloader. |
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| 00:03.19 | fsmithred | warning: the partitioner will not tell you that it's not giving you enough space for the system. |
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| 00:14.16 | gnarface | i wonder if that's some sort of side effect of virtualbox not being able to tell it how much disk space there really is? |
| 00:14.40 | gnarface | maybe it relies on raw device access to determine volume size or something? |
| 00:14.44 | gnarface | that would seem dumb though |
| 00:18.25 | fsmithred | I chose guided partitioning, encrypted lvm with separate home |
| 00:18.29 | fsmithred | uefi, too |
| 00:19.07 | fsmithred | it gave 240MB to boot, 500M to efi, 2.6G to / and 3.something to /home |
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| 11:44.17 | aitor | hi |
| 11:45.26 | Guest87161 | i'm recovering lost data from a formated hard disk using testdisk (by Christophe Grenier): |
| 11:45.27 | Guest87161 | https://www.cgsecurity.org/ |
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| 11:46.09 | fsmithred | hi aitor. Good luck. |
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| 11:46.17 | Guest87161 | seems to be free software, so i'll add it to gnuinos |
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| 11:46.40 | fsmithred | yes, it's a popular program |
| 11:46.45 | Guest87161 | fsmithred: i have a lot of hard disks |
| 11:46.59 | Guest87161 | i took the wrong one :( |
| 11:47.00 | fsmithred | they accumulate over the years |
| 11:47.17 | fsmithred | get more sticky labels |
| 11:47.30 | Guest87161 | yes |
| 11:48.00 | Guest87161 | from the shop of devuan :) |
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| 11:48.16 | fsmithred | oh, I hadn't thought of that |
| 11:48.42 | fsmithred | are you wearing your devuan underwear? |
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| 11:49.32 | Guest87161 | fsmithred: i'm still waiting for it |
| 11:49.51 | fsmithred | :( |
| 11:50.06 | Guest87161 | i've been looking at pyGtk this morning, for steve litts Umenu |
| 11:50.44 | fsmithred | I'm looking at lxqt this morning |
| 11:51.02 | fsmithred | planning ahead for when gtk no longer is worth the effort |
| 11:54.11 | Guest87161 | the menu of lxqt was in gtk, has it been migrated to qt? |
| 11:54.51 | fsmithred | lxqt is a qt variant of lxde |
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| 11:55.56 | Guest87161 | yes, i know, the author of pcmanfm has developed a variant in qt |
| 11:57.51 | Guest87161 | testdisk is generating an image.dd, surelly i'll have to use the dd command and burn it to a hard disk |
| 11:58.08 | fsmithred | you can mount a .img file |
| 11:58.15 | fsmithred | loop mount with proper offset |
| 12:00.13 | fsmithred | maybe testdisk does that for you. It's been a long time since I've used it, but I remember finding files. |
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| 12:12.11 | chillfan | I've been wondering if lxqt has it's own wm yet, I remember from it's early days of being razor-qt it relied on openbox that doesn't have qt support |
| 12:12.39 | fsmithred | not sure, lemme see if I can figure out what it's using |
| 12:13.39 | fsmithred | xfwm4 |
| 12:13.42 | Guest87161 | fsmithred: i have high hopes with testdisk |
| 12:13.55 | chillfan | ah so they haven't got round to that |
| 12:14.31 | Guest87161 | some corrupt politicians in my country formated and destroyed their hard disks (with a hammer), containing the internal accounts of the political party |
| 12:14.39 | Guest87161 | all in all, the judicial police was able to recover some data... |
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| 12:15.08 | chillfan | shame, without gtk libs it would be a lot better |
| 12:15.18 | gnarface | that's why you always use a degausser followed by an industrial blender |
| 12:16.00 | fsmithred | would sandpaper work? |
| 12:16.09 | gnarface | eventually |
| 12:16.17 | gnarface | lol |
| 12:16.30 | Guest87161 | chillfan: lxqt uses openbox |
| 12:16.31 | djph | fsmithred: grinder would be a better option |
| 12:16.38 | fsmithred | ok, got it |
| 12:17.45 | Guest87161 | need to go, see you |
| 12:17.50 | fsmithred | bye |
| 12:17.54 | Guest87161 | bye |
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| 13:10.19 | _abc_ | Hi. I am back. So, I spent some choice time using lsof strace and strings to find out where the .scm prefs used by xfce4-terminal are stored and to neuter them. Meaning, I can not use ssh or irssi in a xfce-terminal window without the terminal stealing keys from me |
| 13:10.54 | _abc_ | Similar things need to be done to other apps. Is this really necessary? Is there a way to kill ALL keyboard shortcuts in all terminal like apps at one place? |
| 13:11.35 | _abc_ | Also ping fsmithred when you are up and about. It's 8AM CET so it's too early, but I can ping anyway. Will do that again later. |
| 13:13.03 | fsmithred | _abc_, check your clock. It's 8AM EST right now. |
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| 13:14.34 | chillfan | Well you could use a terminal without bells or whistles, and if you're worried about key capture.. maybe see qubesos |
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| 13:15.12 | _abc_ | I meant EST. I sort of thought Canadian Eastern Time. |
| 13:15.22 | _abc_ | fsmithred: I'm in Europe, 3pm here. |
| 13:15.32 | fsmithred | ok, good. |
| 13:15.38 | fsmithred | I'm on the right planet. |
| 13:15.46 | _abc_ | :) And not in a red car... :) |
| 13:16.07 | _abc_ | When they shot that car up Elon was not seen for a while, I thought, what if he's in the suit... |
| 13:16.14 | _abc_ | <bad joke> |
| 13:31.34 | _abc_ | fsmithred: did you make anything of the script? Any ideas on things to improve? |
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| 13:31.46 | fsmithred | not yet |
| 13:31.55 | fsmithred | I'm in the middle of several projects |
| 13:32.39 | _abc_ | okay, was planning on making serious progress this weekend. |
| 13:36.43 | fsmithred | I'll look at the script, but I won't restart my browser |
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| 13:46.57 | _abc_ | I am really not impressed how gtk and gnome have libs all over the user's ~/.conf dir. A set of symlinks would be helpful here and there |
| 13:47.41 | _abc_ | du -sk ~/.cache/ -> ~720MB seriously |
| 13:47.52 | _abc_ | That's a user dir, it should really not be there. |
| 13:48.27 | _abc_ | Assume something runs a daily backup, does one have to hedge for this? Omit .cache from all backups. Is there more like this? Strange system data duplicated or cached in a user dir? |
| 13:49.09 | fsmithred | recently_used_xbel or whatever it's called |
| 13:49.31 | _abc_ | In theory, if one leaves .cache out of a backup and/or acceleration move-to-tmpfs as my script does, nothing should break, right? |
| 13:49.56 | _abc_ | Things not found cached will be re-created. |
| 13:50.00 | fsmithred | it's one of the things that's excluded from copy in refractasnapshot |
| 13:50.10 | _abc_ | Okay |
| 13:50.13 | fsmithred | thumbnails is another |
| 13:50.16 | _abc_ | And nothing breaks, right? |
| 13:50.19 | fsmithred | right |
| 13:50.48 | _abc_ | ~/.thumbnails is only 550k here. |
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| 13:51.02 | _abc_ | Regenerating thumbs on a slow stick is always painfully slow. |
| 13:51.15 | fsmithred | yeah, better to disable thumbs |
| 13:51.16 | _abc_ | Maybe thumbs can be cached as is. |
| 13:51.19 | _abc_ | or that |
| 13:52.00 | _abc_ | Wow someone demolished some plaster walls in the basement, it was foggy for a while up here. I thought it's my eyes ;) |
| 13:52.07 | _abc_ | White haze. |
| 13:52.14 | _abc_ | My nose is not happy. |
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| 17:00.33 | _abc_ | , |
| 17:03.48 | skyroveRR | . |
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| 17:41.02 | _abc_ | https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/16/ubuntu_data_gathering_plan/ wow. Preparing to raise some ipo financing based on head count, are we? |
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| 18:16.58 | ejr | why do companies, especially TECH companies that SHOULD know better, never learn? |
| 18:17.38 | ejr | they should know that no matter how good their intention (which is doubt-worthy still), there will always be hacks and other misuse of data when it's gathered this way. |
| 18:17.55 | specing | because they profit from this data |
| 18:18.12 | specing | they are going to stop doing it once the fines become large enough |
| 18:18.24 | ejr | ofc |
| 18:18.26 | specing | right now, the fines are just the cost of doing business |
| 18:18.47 | ejr | it'll still turn against them in the end, as it always does |
| 18:19.02 | ejr | just look at microsoft loosing it's monopole since the 2000s |
| 18:19.50 | specing | they are losing their monopoly? news to me |
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| 18:21.36 | ejr | compared to, say 2000, yes |
| 18:23.10 | chillfan | I dunno, "linux" only gets paid a little lip service in colleges, mac even less except for graphics design |
| 18:23.29 | chillfan | still very much all about microsoft |
| 18:23.49 | ejr | that's because many just use smartphones for most of what they would otherwise do/have done on a Windows OS (not that smartphones are any better usually) |
| 18:24.13 | chillfan | in fairness they are the least popular in the smartphone market |
| 18:24.25 | ejr | the funny thing is that in the Humanities, many use Macs too, especially the urbanites and hipsters. While on tech campuses hardly anyone does. |
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| 18:36.19 | zer0def | um, how does that differ from popularity-contest, aside from potentially being opt-out? |
| 18:37.09 | chillfan | wonders how the linux user base stands now |
| 18:56.35 | _abc_ | ejr: people do not use macs, macs use people. |
| 18:57.04 | _abc_ | chillfan: the linux user base is blase' -- most major supercomputers and servers and routers are linux now. |
| 18:57.09 | _abc_ | and pbxes. And... |
| 18:57.32 | _abc_ | I wonder if there's any penguin powered mcu in that red car under way to Mars. |
| 18:57.35 | _abc_ | Probably is. |
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| 19:01.16 | specing | yes but it is mostly just linux with propriteary crap on top |
| 19:01.35 | specing | there is not a single 100% FOSS phone in production |
| 19:01.38 | _abc_ | Indeed. Just like car navigations. 99% linux android. |
| 19:01.57 | specing | which is scary given android's market share |
| 19:01.58 | _abc_ | The rest are proprietary, qnx, vxworks, etc |
| 19:02.10 | _abc_ | specing: well google is the über BSOFH |
| 19:02.17 | _abc_ | buttoning down android the way it has |
| 19:02.49 | _abc_ | specing: otoh, there are so many rooted phones, nobody cares anymore. One unrootable for 10 rootable ones. |
| 19:02.54 | _abc_ | Try to see the good side? |
| 19:03.24 | specing | rooting doesen't give you the freedom to do whatever you want with it |
| 19:04.44 | _abc_ | comes pretty close though |
| 19:05.52 | chillfan | lineageos comes a bit closer, but with blobs.. replicant no blobs but no wifi :p |
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| 20:44.57 | fsmithred | chillfan, is openrc an interactive install after you select it? |
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| 20:45.06 | fsmithred | in installer iso |
| 20:45.48 | chillfan | Just pops up and says "You've selected openrc" |
| 20:46.27 | avbox | What drivers do I need for gtx 950 with 2GB (Maxwell 2) |
| 20:46.43 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 20:49.03 | chillfan | nouveau if your card is well supported, otherwise nvidia |
| 20:51.32 | chillfan | educated guess, you'll want the nvidia driver if you intend to play games |
| 20:52.24 | chillfan | maxwell is not as well supported |
| 20:54.54 | avbox | it is about avmultimedia, a distro I made with debian, someone pointed out that he has only 1280x1024. It is not about games, but about multimedia content (kodi, openshot et al). So nouveau driver is enough? |
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| 20:55.18 | avbox | sorry, wrote mistake: a distro I made with devuan!!! |
| 20:56.20 | chillfan | So he'll want video acceleration? |
| 20:57.27 | chillfan | Check out the feature matrix here under NV110 (maxwell): https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ |
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| 21:02.53 | avbox | to <chillfan>: I don't have the card heare, but I will ask him if it works well enough with nouveau. If it is not enough, nvidia is needed, right? But where to get it? 'apt-cache search does not give back package' (non-free is included) |
| 21:04.37 | chillfan | should be nvidia-driver |
| 21:05.24 | avbox | 'apt-cache search nvidia-driver' too does not give back any results |
| 21:05.44 | chillfan | that's odd, with contrib and non-free you should get that |
| 21:05.51 | chillfan | done apt-get update? |
| 21:09.25 | avbox | Had a look in /etc/apt/sources.list, not on all places non-free was there, and to not contrib, thanks a lot, now I can see and install it (is it normal, that another 200mb of software will be installed?) |
| 21:10.19 | chillfan | it's about 175MB so maybe with all the extras it's about right |
| 21:10.37 | chillfan | also see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers shows how to install properly (it's tricky from the repos sometimes) |
| 21:12.20 | avbox | Thanks a lot, I see it is not so easy to install, but at least I know understand the way to try it. |
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