IRC log for #devuan on 20171231

00:02.36fsmithredyou did that with the new .pot file?
00:02.53debdogoh
00:02.57debdoghehe, no
00:03.07debdoglet me try again....
00:03.10fsmithredok, good. That explains my confusion
00:03.15fsmithredthat's ok, I did it here
00:03.45fsmithredthis is great, thanks
00:03.53debdognp
00:04.09debdogI'll do some testing and there prolly will be some changes
00:04.18fsmithredyeah, ok
00:04.34fsmithredn4dir will test later, too.
00:04.50fsmithredguess I better repackage it with the new file soon
00:05.27debdogok. I am pretty sure they'll find typos and other things which could be better.
00:06.29debdogoh, n4dir is not here right now.
00:06.39fsmithredno, I talked with him earlier
00:07.03debdogmsiism: my email adress is in the file. please report!
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00:41.12sirixby the way, I wish you guys a happy new year
00:41.18sirix(_)?
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01:12.53msiism1debdog: i'm looking at http://beggabaur.rocks/daten/de.po-new . that's a lot of text. too much for me to go through atm. i think i tend to disagree with the way you chose to translate things, but that's not really about the translations being right or wrong.
01:15.36msiism1debdog: it's more of a style issue.
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01:19.29*** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/
01:20.23debdogmsiism1: can you give an example. I don't quite get what you mean
01:20.38msiism1debdog: ok, let me find one.
01:22.10msiism1"If you want to use the graphical version, run refractainstaller-gui from a terminal or run Refracta Installer from the System menu."
01:22.16msiism1is translated as
01:22.35msiism1"Für die grafische Version refractainstaller-gui in einem Terminal ausführen oder Refracta Installer im Systemmenü wählen."
01:23.00fsmithred<PROTECTED>
01:23.09fsmithredthere is no refractainstaller-gui
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01:23.31msiism1fsmithred: good we caught that.
01:23.51fsmithredactually, leave it. I might go back to that name
01:24.13fsmithredright now there are two graphical scripts - one for uefi and one for bios install, but I want to merge them into one
01:24.26msiism1debdog: now, while there is nothing wrong with that translation fact-wise, the form debatable.
01:25.57msiism1debdog: because, what you do is: you take a full english sentence and transform it into an elliptical german one.
01:26.12debdogmsiism1: you mean to stick more to the "if you want..." part?
01:26.54msiism1debdog: well, yes. sometimes it might not be necessary, though.
01:27.39msiism1but, in that example, i'd say, the german sound a bit harsh and robotic (though it's not wrong german).
01:28.19n4dir"Um die grafische Version zu nutzen, das Kommando refractainstaller-gui in einem Terminal ausführen oder <Refracta Installer> im Sytemmenü wählen"
01:28.21n4dir?
01:29.11debdogahh, ok. I have to admit that sort of is my style
01:29.11n4dirAs far it's me the above version is easy too understand, but it sounds indeed a bit weird (i can't say why though)
01:29.23msiism1n4dir: i think that is making things longer in the wrong place.
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01:29.54msiism1debdog: i suspected that. and i'd say, it's probably ok this way. i'd just do it differently.
01:29.55n4dirwell: i would use an essay instead of a sentence , if i wanted to put it in German. :-)
01:30.24n4dir"für" sure sounds weird, i think "um" is it. but anyway.
01:31.19msiism1n4dir: Möchten Sie den grafischen Installer nutzen, führen Sie ... aus – sth like that.
01:31.27debdogat first I've tried to keep the form of the message as is. to not compromise the script (that was before I really undestood what's going on there). So many sentences there are the attempt to bring that info into a rather short space.
01:31.46msiism1debdog: i see.
01:32.21n4dirmsiism1: i told you: ain't no big problem to make an essay of it when you translate it to german
01:33.15fsmithredit's good to stay within 72 characters per line.
01:34.46fsmithredthe script is likely to be run in a console, not a graphical window
01:34.46n4dirIn Rheinland we would say: "Willste grafisch, tuste refractainstaller  oder Sytemmenu machen". Would at least be short (sorry, i am childish. msiism1 offers the solutions9
01:34.53debdogbut I generally tend to keep info in a short but still explanatory form. even if it sounds harsh. that's kind of the way I'd like the software I use to be.
01:37.37msiism1debdog: ok, your choice. i just think that going more with the english message's structure makes it sound more like the thing had a brain. but then, it doesn't have a brain.
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01:38.54debdogn4dir: hehe, I could have done it in swabian, thät'd have been fun
01:39.10n4dirlol. i wouldn't understand a single word.
01:40.05debdogI think there is a Langenscheidt for that
01:41.57debdogmsiism1: without offending you, may I ask for your age? it might be, we're just different generations
01:43.09n4dirglancing over the whole text i think it is ok. It seems easy to understand what the actual questions/problems are, etc.
01:43.25msiism1debdog: i'm 30. and as you can see, i have tendency to trade brevity for other benefits: https://github.com/danakj/openbox/pull/24
01:43.41n4dirmainly when having in mind that not more than 70 (?) chars per line are deserved.
01:44.51debdogok, 42 here. so not quite a huge gap
01:45.21n4diri do see what msiism1 means, i think, but i wouldn't know an easy workaround (assuming one wants to keep it short and gnarly)
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01:49.35debdogyeah, I was going for 70 chars per line. however, as I learned later, the translated message can be entirely different size wise. so that actually wouldn't be a problem
01:51.38msiism1debdog: well, as long as there are no typos in there, i'd say it's good to go the way it is.
01:51.43debdogdang, almost 3am. are you guys practising for tomorrow night?
01:51.50n4dirha ha ha.
01:52.10n4diri am off in a bit. see you all later.
01:52.22fsmithredsee you later
01:52.24fsmithredthanks
01:52.44fsmithredI'm going to replace that package that's on sf with the full translation
01:53.04debdogmsiism1 and n4dir: yeah, thanks for having a look!
01:53.11msiism1ok, gotta go. thanks for the discussion.
01:53.31debdogand i promise to work on my form of writing ;)
01:53.52msiism1debdog: noted.
01:53.56msiism1bye
01:53.57fsmithredg'night guys, and thanks
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01:54.01debdognn!
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02:01.06blinkdoganybody want to help me test my bot?
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02:03.03fsmithredwhat kind of test?
02:03.29blinkdogyou can either say the Harry Potter word for non-wizard (it's the only 'slur' I have configured)
02:03.43blinkdogor you can mention 5 names in your message
02:03.45fsmithredI don't remember it
02:03.53fsmithrednames in the room?
02:04.03blinkdogyes, anybody in the channel
02:06.47fsmithredgolinux, furrywolf parazyd blinkdog Lydia_K : I'm a bot and I can give you a bigger penix
02:07.14fsmithrednow what?
02:07.53blinkdogslaps gtfobot, must be running systemd on the job
02:07.59fsmithredlol
02:08.44fsmithredbtw, penix is a new kernel. It's bigger than Linus' kernel.
02:11.16blinkdogmuggle
02:11.20blinkdogthat's the harry potter word
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02:11.44blinkdogthere we go, now you can swear at gtfo bot or call out channel names
02:12.08blinkdognames of people in channel, rather
02:12.31fsmithredmuggle
02:12.31gtfobotgtfobot swings ban hammer at fsmithred; misses.
02:12.47fsmithredlol
02:12.51blinkdogAll right! Now we just need to get this bot some ops!
02:15.30fsmithredgets a sword and buckler
02:16.12blinkdoggolinux furrywolf parazyd blinkdog Lydia_K : Please buy $PRODUCT from $VENDOR at $URL
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02:24.11g4570n!ping
02:24.11infobot~pong
02:24.33Xenguy!pong
02:24.33infobotping, or also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_video_game
02:25.12g4570nlol
02:25.54fsmithredyou had to go to a bar to play it
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02:48.18blinkdogwas told I have too many accounts registered to my e-mail address :-(
02:50.30fsmithredhuh? Who told you that?
02:51.43blinkdogI tried to register the gtfobot nick, and nickserv told me that
02:51.55blinkdogso now gtfobot gets a gmail account :-)
02:52.14fsmithredbot is not old enough to get his own acco
02:52.17fsmithredok
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03:17.10blinkdoggtfobot: Order 66 >:-)
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03:27.13MinceR"every single Jedi is now KOS"
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03:53.17guest931You are all a bunch of muggles!
03:53.31blinkdogslaps gtfobot ... seriously dude, systemd, again?
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03:59.32guest931Muggles I say! All of you!
03:59.50guest931Muggle
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04:01.08guest931Peanut buttrt
04:01.24guest931Peanut butter muggle time
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04:06.57guest931No muggle can ban me!
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04:07.22DocScrutinizer05almost ;-)
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04:08.53DocScrutinizer05the / is a escape for the client to use a different IRC command to send the text
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04:10.50guest931Haha more muggle fail!
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04:18.08guest931Silly muggle Trix are for kids!
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04:24.26DocScrutinizer05blinkdog: congrats. now test the real thing and remove the mu gel
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04:27.53guest931Hey fsmithred golinux blinkdog DocScrutinizer05 Lydia_K furrywolf Buy my awesome product!
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04:29.11blinkdogmuggle
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04:41.59DocScrutinizer05blinkdog: if you're bored, implement a delayed ban remove (-q full-user-name), after N minutes
04:42.56NewGnuGuyWhat good would that do?
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04:48.21DocScrutinizer05remove obsolete bans?
04:49.29NewGnuGuyOh, I didn't see the -/+ difference. I follow you now
04:49.35DocScrutinizer05as a chanop you don't want to have to deal with a few 1000 entries in banlists, even if that was a possible situation
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04:53.00guest931fsmithred golinux blinkdog furrywolf Lydia_K are in the house!
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04:53.38DocScrutinizer05full name
04:54.03DocScrutinizer05guest931!*@*
04:54.55DocScrutinizer05blinkdog: you're oped
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04:58.06MinceRi doubt the ircd would allow a few 1000 entries in a banlist anyway :>
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05:03.20DocScrutinizer05actually not, thats why you want to keep them tidy
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05:08.59DocScrutinizer05blinkdog: setting bans on hostmask *!*@whatever/foo.bar might be more effective against botnet attacks
05:11.24MinceRseconded
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05:17.06blinkdogoh interesting; that looks to be a bug in the library
05:17.17DocScrutinizer05waves and goes AFK hard, by disconnecting VNC
05:17.40DocScrutinizer05o/
05:17.45blinkdogwaves to DocScrutinizer05 ... thank you very much for your help! :-)
05:18.04DocScrutinizer05yw, thanks for the spamkiller bot
05:22.15blinkdogahhh, looks like there is already a PR for the fix: https://github.com/martynsmith/node-irc/pull/458
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05:27.56blinkdogaccepts the extra credit points for the auto-unban
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05:32.05DocScrutinizer51now make that 60min :)
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05:34.14blinkdogokay .. 60 minutes counting down :-)
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06:33.36blinkdogtrembles with anticipation :-)
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15:01.51DocScrutinizer05gtfobot: NICE JOB, BOTSNACK
15:02.08DocScrutinizer05OOPS DANG CAPSLOCK
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15:41.06msiismi never use aptitude for anything. so, will 'apt-get purge aptitude' (which is kind of funny, i admit) do any harm to package management on my system?
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15:42.33DocScrutinizer05hardly, as long as apt doesn't uninstall itself
15:42.56DocScrutinizer05keeping backups is never a bad idea though
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15:43.39DocScrutinizer05or you got btrfs which is about equivalent for this particular purpose
15:43.57DocScrutinizer05with snapper or the like
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15:45.27DocScrutinizer05make snapshot (by whatever means, of var and etc and usr, I guess) then uninstall, if anything really nasty happens you simply roll back
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15:46.15msiismDocScrutinizer05: ok, i'll try this on a test machine. i'm using ext4 for all my partition (except boot, which is ext2).
15:46.22fsmithredyes, you can safely remove aptitude. It's not included in a minimal or debootstrap install
15:46.44fsmithredyou'll lose a few things with it maybe (some perl)
15:47.01fsmithredbut apt-get won't autoremove anything
15:47.24msiismfsmithred: good to now. because i am beginning to think of creating a Devuan iso that installs a system already configured to my needs.
15:47.25fsmithredso if you see something in the autoremove list that you want to keep, just install it, and it will be taken off the autoremoval list
15:47.46msiismfsmithred: well, i was gonn go with 'apt-get autoremove --purge' after that. but i know the risk of that.
15:47.47fsmithredyeah, I'm thinking of creating one that serves your needs, too.
15:47.55fsmithredyikes
15:48.27fsmithredI need a live iso that easily boots into German.
15:48.43DocScrutinizer05is curious DocScrutinizer51 DocScrutinizer51 DocScrutinizer51 DocScrutinizer51 DocScrutinizer51
15:48.51fsmithredand I'm running into various problems with the translated script - some stuff Doc warned me about
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15:49.06fsmithredexample: there's a test in the script to find the EFI partition
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15:49.37fsmithredfdisk -l says "EFI System" on the partition in English and "EFI-System" in German
15:49.43fsmithredthat screws up my test
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15:50.00fsmithredI can reduce it to looking for just "EFI" but there were other problems with that
15:50.09msiismfsmithred: well, but you can set the environment accordingly. can't you?
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15:50.36DocScrutinizer05OUCH
15:50.45fsmithredoh, yeah, I'll have to do that in the script when it runs fdisk
15:50.49msiismwhat's the variable....LC= or something
15:51.00DocScrutinizer05doesn't catch ACTION
15:51.15fsmithredwhat do you mean, Doc?
15:51.27fsmithredLC_ALL=
15:51.44DocScrutinizer05the spamkiller gtfobot doesn't trigger on /me
15:51.57DocScrutinizer05aka ACTION
15:52.03fsmithredyou only have two names in your list
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15:52.41specingDocScrutinizer05: are you trying to do a spam ban bot?
15:52.42DocScrutinizer05is curious DocScrutinizer51 fsmithred DocScrutinizer51 DocScrutinizer51 fsmithred DocScrutinizer51 DocScrutinizer51
15:53.07msiismfsmithred: also, doesn't fsck offer numeric return values, too?
15:53.25fsmithrednot sure, msiism
15:53.47fsmithredforce it to give me ef00 instead of EFI System? That would work well.
15:54.23DocScrutinizer05specing: blinkdog made a spamkiller bot for this channel
15:54.41fsmithredtry five unique names
15:54.47specingI think freenode lready has such a service bot called sigyc or sygic
15:54.49DocScrutinizer05much appreciated but needs a lil bit of fixing still
15:55.05DocScrutinizer05sigyn
15:55.18DocScrutinizer05doesn't always join channel when you need her
15:56.12DocScrutinizer05happy 2018 to you all
15:56.22DocScrutinizer05apply when due in your TZ
15:57.08DocScrutinizer05fsmithred: it triggers on the plain msg, not on ACTION
15:57.13DocScrutinizer05fsmithred: see above
15:57.34DocScrutinizer05/me is curious DocScrutinizer51 fsmithred DocScrutinizer51 DocScrutinizer51 fsmithred DocScrutinizer51 DocScrutinizer51
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15:57.43fsmithredis it due to the format of your message, or are you immune?
15:57.54DocScrutinizer05I'm immune
15:58.11DocScrutinizer05the problem is:
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15:58.25DocScrutinizer05zilch
15:58.56DocScrutinizer05ACTION not checked
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16:00.24fsmithredI would have checked to make sure someone is here to undo that before running the test.
16:03.58DocScrutinizer05haha
16:04.08DocScrutinizer05bot undoes in 60 min ;-)
16:04.26DocScrutinizer05but, I'm in a generous mood
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16:08.01DocScrutinizer05another thing that prolly creates bogus results: multiple fast msgs
16:10.27DocScrutinizer05[2017-12-31 Sun 16:59:09] <specing> DocScrutinizer05: DocScrutinizer05 DocScrutinizer05 DocScrutinizer05 DocScrutinizer05
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16:10.30DocScrutinizer05[2017-12-31 Sun 16:59:09] <specing> DocScrutinizer05: DocScrutinizer05 DocScrutinizer05 DocScrutinizer05 DocScrutinizer05
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16:10.32DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
16:10.37DocScrutinizer05yeah, this
16:11.23DocScrutinizer05will prolly create excess ban entries
16:12.30DocScrutinizer05please point blinkdog to chanlog about this when they return
16:12.38DocScrutinizer05I'm afk again
16:13.44DocScrutinizer05blinkdog: todo: check ACTIONs (/me), don't act on same user/spammer multiple times
16:14.16DocScrutinizer05cheers all, and again a happy new year
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17:21.19aitorDocScrutinizer05: happy new 20XX!
17:22.32aitori'll not specify the year
17:26.01aitorfsmithred, wake up!
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17:32.16fsmithredhi aitor
17:32.25fsmithredit's after noon here. I'm awake
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17:33.36aitortime to bed
17:33.42aitorbye
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17:40.07fsmithredhappy new year, aitor
17:40.33aitorfsmithred: did you try d-i in a desktop-image on ascii?
17:40.47fsmithrednot lately
17:41.42fsmithredhaven't had time to mess with d-i. Couldn't get it to work when I did try.
17:41.55aitorit's included in my blend, it'll work
17:42.05fsmithredyeah, but I don't know how to do it
17:42.25aitoryou know :)
17:42.32fsmithredwhat Ozi had put together and sent me almost worked
17:42.38fsmithredbut I did not know how to fix it
17:43.44aitori put a link to the live-sdk here
17:43.55aitorjust run it in i386
17:44.48fsmithredI don't have i386 to run it in
17:44.57fsmithredalso don't have room for a repository
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17:48.41aitoramprolla 3!
17:48.58fsmithredyou fixed it so a local repo is not needed?
17:49.42aitoryes, it's needed
17:50.36DocScrutinizer51aah, abother 9 minutes
17:51.20fsmithredDocScrutinizer51, storing and switching LC_ALL worked. Thanks for that tip.
17:51.48DocScrutinizer51YW
17:52.20DocScrutinizer51always glad to help
17:54.27aitorto have a complete repo is one of the requirements to pursue, if you want to be listed in the FSF
17:55.11aitori think
17:56.04aitorDocScrutinizerXX: happy new year!
17:56.22aitorneed to go :)
17:56.58DocScrutinizer51damn 3G roaming disconnects
17:59.52fsmithredI have no desire to listed by FSF
18:08.15sokanmay you all have a happy new year's even \o/
18:08.19DocScrutinizer51did the damn bot -q Joerg-Neo900 now?
18:09.44DocScrutinizer51damn, didn't, no?
18:10.38DocScrutinizer51supposed to have done it 11min ago aiui
18:11.07DocScrutinizer51another severe bug to fix
18:11.34DocScrutinizer51blinkdog: ^
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18:46.58Joerg-Neo900gtfobot dead?
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20:16.42b0bj0hns0nhttps://github.com/coldhakca/coldkernel
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20:17.07b0bj0hns0nThis cold kernel thingie, can I use the scripts right on top of a pre existing devuan jessie install?
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21:05.49DocScrutinizer51MinceR: that's infortunate
21:06.13MinceRindeed
21:07.20DocScrutinizer51move the bot to a devuan server? and make it auto-rejoin?
21:11.27MinceRmaking it automatically restart/reconnect/rejoin would probably be a good idea
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