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| 16:04.52 | lowin | Hello. I have firefox installed in /opt/firefox |
| 16:05.05 | lowin | How do I add it to update-alternatives? |
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| 16:24.16 | debdog | just manually alters the respective links in /etc/alternatives, lowin |
| 16:25.21 | lowin | yep. just that that |
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| 18:37.45 | ji-ef[m] | lowin: I tried this and it seemed to work fine : |
| 18:37.46 | ji-ef[m] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:43.22 | system16 | how can i put my sftp server into stand-by mode ? |
| 18:43.45 | system16 | im using devuan with no DE |
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| 18:44.19 | system16 | shutdown -s now ? |
| 18:56.27 | Evilham | I don't know about a -s trigger in shutdown :-p |
| 18:56.32 | Evilham | but this will help you: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1792/how-can-i-suspend-hibernate-from-command-line |
| 18:56.38 | Evilham | ignore anything systemd/dbus related |
| 18:57.22 | Evilham | particularly, this answer: https://askubuntu.com/a/1796 |
| 18:57.43 | telst4r | pm-suspend and pm-hibernate seems to work okay on Dev1. |
| 18:58.07 | Evilham | :) or that |
| 18:58.24 | Evilham | that's in the accepted answer on that question |
| 18:58.35 | system16 | pm-hibernate? |
| 18:59.23 | telst4r | yes? |
| 18:59.55 | system16 | bash: pm-hibernate: command not found :) |
| 19:00.39 | telst4r | # which pm-hibernate -> /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate |
| 19:01.05 | Evilham | <Evilham> particularly, this answer: https://askubuntu.com/a/1796 |
| 19:01.20 | Evilham | ^^^ try that |
| 19:01.38 | system16 | done : # which pm-hibernate -> /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate |
| 19:02.02 | system16 | didnt work |
| 19:02.34 | system16 | bash: pm-hibernate: command not found |
| 19:03.13 | telst4r | are you root? |
| 19:04.06 | system16 | cat /sys/power/state = freeze mem disk |
| 19:04.09 | telst4r | in bash, # signifies you're a superuser. a $ is a 'normal' user. |
| 19:04.14 | system16 | yes i am and im using ssh |
| 19:04.29 | telst4r | also # could be a comment :P |
| 19:04.30 | system16 | yes i am root |
| 19:04.54 | system16 | root@devuan:/home/test111# |
| 19:04.55 | system16 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:06.16 | telst4r | Okay okay. You have pm-utils installed? |
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| 19:06.36 | system16 | no i dont think so |
| 19:06.53 | system16 | y putting devuan in stand-by mode is so hard ? |
| 19:08.44 | system16 | im installing it |
| 19:09.57 | system16 | installed..now what |
| 19:10.32 | system16 | oh now it works... |
| 19:10.45 | telst4r | right. |
| 19:11.18 | system16 | pm-hibernate |
| 19:12.00 | system16 | this didnt put it into stand-by mode ... it just turned off my netbook |
| 19:12.59 | system16 | oh no LOL im wrong thanks telst4r |
| 19:13.24 | telst4r | hibernate isn't suspend :) |
| 19:14.04 | telst4r | either might become handy though. |
| 19:15.15 | system16 | this didnt damage things right > |
| 19:15.16 | system16 | ? |
| 19:17.21 | telst4r | nah, it just writes your ram to disk and shuts down. when you boot it up, it looks if there is a ram image on the disk , and if so, it restores it. |
| 19:17.52 | system16 | thanks |
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| 19:22.16 | Dec0y_N3g3v | so anyone having trouble in just shutting down the system ?? ? ? |
| 19:22.48 | Dec0y_N3g3v | I ve just can reboot or shutting down using telinit 0 |
| 19:23.20 | Dec0y_N3g3v | dmesg doesn't help to much anyone know where I can find the logs to tell me whats going on |
| 19:24.10 | Dec0y_N3g3v | also someone know the status of this Intel Management Engine ? INTEL ME ? |
| 19:24.10 | Dec0y_N3g3v | https://puri.sm/posts/purism-librem-laptops-completely-disable-intel-management-engine/ |
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| 19:35.01 | AlexLikeRock | HI |
| 19:35.19 | AlexLikeRock | Linux sexy 4.9.0-3-686 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-1 (2017-06-04) i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:35.32 | AlexLikeRock | mmmm. |
| 19:35.48 | telst4r | linux just got sexy like rms did, huh? |
| 19:36.28 | AlexLikeRock | Devuan GNU/Linux ascii/ceres \n \l |
| 19:36.31 | AlexLikeRock | ok, fine |
| 19:36.59 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:37.27 | Dec0y_N3g3v | have u tried: # halt |
| 19:37.32 | Dec0y_N3g3v | give a try |
| 19:37.51 | AlexLikeRock | Dec0y_N3g3v, . youtalk to me ? |
| 19:38.01 | Dec0y_N3g3v | yes |
| 19:38.13 | AlexLikeRock | halt shotdown power |
| 19:38.18 | AlexLikeRock | of course no |
| 19:40.39 | AlexLikeRock | any idea ? |
| 19:40.48 | AlexLikeRock | golinux, |
| 19:40.57 | AlexLikeRock | yesterday talk about |
| 19:41.08 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.10 | AlexLikeRock | :-/ |
| 19:41.13 | golinux | Yes? |
| 19:41.30 | AlexLikeRock | were to grand persission to normal user to hibernate |
| 19:41.34 | AlexLikeRock | look |
| 19:41.35 | AlexLikeRock | http://picpaste.com/pics/z-CzYHrENP.1508960413.png |
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| 19:50.18 | AlexLikeRock | im back |
| 19:50.23 | AlexLikeRock | any idea golinux |
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| 19:50.42 | golinux | I have never used Mate |
| 19:51.18 | golinux | Or even thought about those issues for years. Sorry |
| 19:52.11 | AlexLikeRock | well, the problem its same at other migrates |
| 19:52.17 | AlexLikeRock | i got laptop with KDE5 |
| 19:53.02 | Oldmoss | AlexLikeRock: I have no experience, but have you seen this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=600 |
| 19:53.22 | AlexLikeRock | tanks Oldmoss |
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| 19:57.16 | Dec0y_N3g3v | Ive got KDE Plasma too |
| 19:57.19 | Dec0y_N3g3v | and unable to shutdown |
| 19:57.45 | AlexLikeRock | lol |
| 19:57.48 | Dec0y_N3g3v | running on both testing and experimental with same issue |
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| 19:58.36 | sonnixin | And yes, a large part of this may be that I no longer feel like I can trust "init" to do the sane thing. You all presumably know why. |
| 19:58.38 | sonnixin | linux torvalds |
| 19:58.40 | sonnixin | linus torvalds |
| 19:58.42 | sonnixin | i used to write linux more |
| 19:58.44 | sonnixin | l0l |
| 19:59.06 | AlexLikeRock | o_O |
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| 20:02.41 | Dec0y_N3g3v | any idea |
| 20:02.45 | Dec0y_N3g3v | sudo shutdown now |
| 20:03.15 | AlexLikeRock | Dec0y_N3g3v, this not a solution |
| 20:03.23 | AlexLikeRock | sudo , not seccure |
| 20:03.33 | Dec0y_N3g3v | give me few seconds later give root password for manteinance |
| 20:04.01 | Dec0y_N3g3v | # shutdown now not working neither |
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| 20:09.36 | AlexLikeRock | LOL!! neither |
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| 20:13.13 | telst4r | something to do with mate power management thingies? Which I donno about. |
| 20:13.31 | Dec0y_N3g3v | im not using mate |
| 20:13.41 | Dec0y_N3g3v | im using plasma |
| 20:13.58 | Dec0y_N3g3v | but even when I dont load the dektop enviroment |
| 20:14.02 | Dec0y_N3g3v | I cant shutdown the system |
| 20:14.24 | Dec0y_N3g3v | after login in terminal |
| 20:15.09 | DPA | Even as root? How about halt or init 0? |
| 20:15.18 | Dec0y_N3g3v | init 0 works |
| 20:15.25 | Dec0y_N3g3v | halt too |
| 20:15.31 | Dec0y_N3g3v | shutdown not |
| 20:15.34 | Dec0y_N3g3v | reboot works too |
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| 20:15.56 | Dec0y_N3g3v | shutting down from desktop panel doesnt work |
| 20:19.56 | DPA | Is policy kit installed? |
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| 20:22.29 | AlexLikeRock | how to install dpa ? |
| 20:23.09 | Dec0y_N3g3v | ? |
| 20:25.34 | DPA | apt-get install policykit-1 |
| 20:25.43 | AlexLikeRock | tanks |
| 20:27.16 | AlexLikeRock | they all ready installed |
| 20:27.20 | AlexLikeRock | reinstalling ... |
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| 20:28.21 | AlexLikeRock | installing debian-policykit .... ( or some name similar ... ) |
| 20:32.35 | greenjeans | try Obsession, don't know which DE you are running, but Obsession works in Mate and Openbox, haven't tested others |
| 20:47.06 | DPA | AlexLikeRock: Why should sudo shutdown not be a secure way to shut down the system? |
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| 20:50.20 | miyolinux | Might try the qshutdown package. That's what I have to use in LXQt. |
| 20:51.34 | miyolinux | As greenjeans stated, obsession also worked in LXQt (didn't try it in Plasma). |
| 20:52.07 | greenjeans | hiya Miyo! |
| 20:52.17 | miyolinux | Hello sir! |
| 20:54.42 | miyolinux | One other thing, when I built Plasma, sddm was a bit troubled. So, I rebuilt it with lightdm. All of the shutdown options worked. :) Oh yeah...I had to install the hibernate package in LXQt too. |
| 20:55.05 | AlexLikeRock | what packages ? |
| 20:56.33 | miyolinux | Hibernate. No hibernation without that package in LXQt...not sure about Plasma. I also have to use the "qshutdown" package in LXQt to shutdown/reboot. |
| 20:57.00 | AlexLikeRock | qshutdown, i se once |
| 20:57.16 | AlexLikeRock | im searching native hibernation of KDE |
| 20:57.23 | AlexLikeRock | tanks by the way |
| 20:57.49 | miyolinux | Sure thing. Did you use sddm as your login manager? |
| 20:58.05 | AlexLikeRock | no |
| 20:58.15 | AlexLikeRock | ligthDM |
| 20:58.32 | AlexLikeRock | letme check ... |
| 20:59.18 | AlexLikeRock | yeah , lightdm |
| 20:59.45 | miyolinux | Okay. Strange. All of the shutdown/reboot/etc... options worked when I built Plasma and I used lightdm too. I'm not running it anymore though. Plasma was burning up one of my CPUs at 100% all the time. |
| 21:00.22 | miyolinux | Okay everyone. I'm not being rude, but I have to go. Take care! |
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| 21:01.30 | AlexLikeRock | hahahaa |
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| 21:10.42 | greenjeans | aww man....all these years later and Pango is still tied at the wrist and ankles to libthai0????? good lord... |
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| 21:26.38 | geronono | what command is the alternative for 'deb' command of debian |
| 21:28.18 | AlexLikeRock | ???? |
| 21:28.28 | AlexLikeRock | to install .deb ? |
| 21:28.31 | AlexLikeRock | geronono, |
| 21:29.25 | geronono | for download tor 'deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org jessie main' |
| 21:29.56 | gnarface | apt-get install tor |
| 21:29.59 | parazyd | wat |
| 21:30.17 | gnarface | use the one in the repo |
| 21:31.02 | geronono | ahh ok ok thanks |
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| 21:33.09 | AlexLikeRock | :) |
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| 21:42.11 | AlexLikeRock_ | what work for : group wheel. ??? |
| 21:42.26 | AlexLikeRock_ | we have policykit2 at devuan ?? |
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| 21:47.07 | AlexLikeRock | paste.debian.net/992764 helpme to add normal users |
| 21:50.14 | gnarface | if you add sudo, the 'sudoers' behaves like bsd treats the wheel group |
| 21:50.16 | AlexLikeRock | :) |
| 21:50.23 | gnarface | er, sorry it's just "sudo" |
| 21:50.29 | AlexLikeRock | no |
| 21:50.32 | AlexLikeRock | no sudo |
| 21:51.03 | AlexLikeRock | other way |
| 21:51.21 | gnarface | i don't know polkit. i always remove it |
| 21:51.36 | AlexLikeRock | its bad ? |
| 21:51.53 | AlexLikeRock | way ? |
| 21:52.18 | gnarface | i just don't trust it because i don't know how it works. |
| 21:52.45 | gnarface | and i never needed it to get work done before it existed, so i tend to fear and mistrust such things |
| 21:53.28 | AlexLikeRock | -.- |
| 21:53.32 | gnarface | in debian, there's several different groups that do have part of the "wheel" functionality though |
| 21:53.39 | gnarface | if you add yourself to adm, you can read the logs |
| 21:54.05 | gnarface | if you add yourself to cdrom and disk you can mount and unmount stuff with impunity (pretty insecurely though) |
| 21:54.16 | AlexLikeRock | what its "wheel" |
| 21:54.20 | AlexLikeRock | daemon? |
| 21:54.34 | gnarface | no just some group like the root group. i first saw it on BSD |
| 21:54.53 | gnarface | it's rare to see any linux distro using it, they usually split the access up into several different groups |
| 21:54.59 | AlexLikeRock | ohhh |
| 21:55.18 | gnarface | on debian 'staff' also has some of this functionality |
| 21:55.22 | AlexLikeRock | lol "impunity " |
| 21:55.30 | gnarface | staff, video, audio, dialout, bluetooth, adm |
| 21:55.41 | gnarface | disk, |
| 21:55.47 | gnarface | a couple others i've forgotten |
| 21:56.07 | AlexLikeRock | hibernate and suspend |
| 21:56.11 | AlexLikeRock | i fonund ... |
| 21:56.20 | AlexLikeRock | at wiki at archilinux |
| 21:57.19 | AlexLikeRock | mmm |
| 21:57.40 | AlexLikeRock | what use DEVUAN to hibernate instence of policikit ? |
| 21:57.41 | gnarface | arch may have adopted the wheel group, i thought i remember some linux distros doing it |
| 21:58.28 | gnarface | honestly? i'd just do it the old fashioned way, i'd let my WM do it, suid to root |
| 21:58.39 | gnarface | wm or xorg suid to root |
| 21:58.47 | AlexLikeRock | mmmmm |
| 21:58.50 | gnarface | then e17 builtin keyboard hibernate button just works |
| 21:58.56 | AlexLikeRock | hahah |
| 21:59.20 | fromport | when I suspend my ceres desktop, and i wake it up, type my login/passwd combination right away , it "unlocks" and comes back with a second "login/password" screen. when I wait 10 seconds befor entering my login/password i only have to type my login/passwd once ;-) anyone else seen that ? |
| 21:59.47 | gnarface | AlexLikeRock: there's probably a better way to handle it, but i don't know what |
| 22:00.00 | AlexLikeRock | fromport, one of DM second ... of screensaver ? |
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| 22:01.52 | fromport | you see something like "unlocked" , see the background of my desktop for a split second , everything turns black again and I get another login/password to fill out |
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| 22:02.14 | AlexLikeRock_ | fromport, |
| 22:02.25 | AlexLikeRock_ | when try : dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest="org.freedesktop.UPower" /org/freedesktop/UPower org.freedesktop.UPower.Suspend |
| 22:02.25 | AlexLikeRock_ | Error org.freedesktop.UPower.GeneralError: not authorized |
| 22:04.03 | AlexLikeRock | so, |
| 22:04.08 | AlexLikeRock | not pwermission to : |
| 22:04.09 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:45.11 | AlexLikeRock | ok, LXDE , hibernate = yes |
| 22:45.15 | AlexLikeRock | mmm..... |
| 22:45.23 | AlexLikeRock | lest try kde again ... |
| 22:52.05 | AlexLikeRock | looks its fix it , i will upstream to the blog the solution .... |
| 22:52.28 | AlexLikeRock | mmmm |
| 22:52.39 | AlexLikeRock | not wake up ... :-/ |
| 22:53.38 | AlexLikeRock | aaaa... combinations of key to force WAKE up ? |
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| 22:59.53 | gnarface | definitely dunno that one, sorry AlexLikeRock |
| 23:00.13 | gnarface | i think failure to wake from hibernation may be either a driver problem or sometimes a bios or swap problem |
| 23:00.23 | gnarface | you need to have at least as much swap as physical ram |
| 23:00.24 | AlexLikeRock | mmmm |
| 23:00.25 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.43 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.47 | gnarface | and some motherboard bioses sabotage the bit in memory that is required to find it at POST |
| 23:01.02 | gnarface | (sometimes you can disable it though) |
| 23:01.25 | gnarface | but then sometimes, some drivers just don't wake up right (various versions of nvidia cards often are plagued with this) |
| 23:05.16 | fromport | 9 out of 10 times when I suspend my machine, touching a key on usb keyboard is enough to wake it up, the tenth time i have to push the power button briefly to wake it |
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