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| 02:29.11 | pennTeller | Just came to say hi since I recently joined the devuan family :) |
| 02:29.18 | pennTeller | Im glad to see so many people in the channel |
| 02:29.42 | pennTeller | Thanks for making this happen Devuan team |
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| 03:37.36 | soowha | Hello ! Somebody can check my subcription state at the forum few days ago ? I never received the subsciption email ... |
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| 04:01.38 | rrq | mmm it's hanging in there as an "unverified user"... let me see if I can poke something. |
| 04:06.39 | rrq | soowha: please try to login now... |
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| 04:46.51 | rrq | mmm soowha: I assume you are soohwa at the forum |
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| 05:38.45 | system16 | this ipv4 keeps changing i need a app that tells me when my ipv4 has changed... |
| 05:40.20 | system16 | i know i cant stop it cause its controlled by my isp |
| 05:46.39 | sickness | watch | ifconfig |
| 05:46.40 | sickness | :P |
| 05:46.48 | sickness | sorry |
| 05:46.50 | sickness | watch ifconfig |
| 05:46.51 | sickness | :p |
| 05:47.54 | system16 | bcast is ipv4? |
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| 06:09.16 | rrq | you can use `curl ipinfo.io/ip` or `wget -qO- http://ipecho.net/plain ; echo` to get your current IP, then I suppose I'd nee to run that regualrly to discover change |
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| 06:27.13 | soowha | @rrq oh yes thank you ! I'm loggued ! |
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| 11:51.17 | ic | hi |
| 11:51.34 | sickness | hi |
| 11:51.42 | buZz | hey sailor |
| 11:52.05 | ic | I'm running a hosting company and I want to replace my systemd based servers with devuan |
| 11:52.13 | buZz | nice |
| 11:52.17 | ic | how ready is it for production? :) |
| 11:52.27 | buZz | jessie is completely ready |
| 11:53.25 | ic | is it more or less compatible with 3rd party repositories for stuff like node, haproxy and such? |
| 11:59.53 | fsmithred | is debian jessie compatible with those things? Do any of them require systemd? |
| 12:00.32 | ic | debian jessie is, not sure about systemd dependency. At least there is no real reason, except packager lazyness |
| 12:00.40 | ic | nevermind I will just try and see :) |
| 12:00.54 | fsmithred | devuan is 99% pure debian |
| 12:01.37 | dreamer | so, I asked this before but anything on the devuan release schedule? |
| 12:01.46 | dreamer | like, will it follow debian? (assuming it would) |
| 12:01.57 | dreamer | (in that case, we're lagging on the next release I guess :P) |
| 12:02.10 | fsmithred | yeah, lagging |
| 12:02.21 | fsmithred | things should pick up again in a few weeks |
| 12:02.58 | fsmithred | vacations will be ending soon. |
| 12:02.58 | dreamer | when jaromil comes back from holidays? ;) |
| 12:03.00 | dreamer | hehe |
| 12:03.27 | sickness | is jaromil the same jaromil of aalib fame? =_) |
| 12:03.46 | fsmithred | I don't know |
| 12:03.52 | telst4r | you shall not have other jaromil's. |
| 12:04.10 | fsmithred | dynabolic jaromil, if that helps |
| 12:04.20 | sickness | ahah |
| 12:04.22 | fsmithred | I think I spelled that wrong |
| 12:06.07 | dreamer | dyne:bolic |
| 12:06.19 | dreamer | which I hope to see a new release of based on devuan ;) |
| 12:06.34 | dreamer | we still get some many requests on dyne:bolic @ dyne.org |
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| 12:08.14 | fsmithred | yeah, he's planning on a devuan-based release |
| 12:08.25 | fsmithred | I saw that written somewhere |
| 12:08.37 | fsmithred | and maybe he said it here |
| 12:08.39 | dreamer | well would make sense |
| 12:08.44 | dreamer | also with the live-image infra |
| 12:09.54 | fsmithred | jaromil |
| 12:09.54 | fsmithred | parazyd is developing the new devuan sdk so work you see going on there (git.do/sdk) is complimentary to heads and other derivatives we are planning (dyne:bolic too...) |
| 12:10.00 | fsmithred | oops |
| 12:10.19 | fsmithred | that was supposed to look like a quote from jaromil, because it is one |
| 12:10.25 | fsmithred | Feb 20 in this channel |
| 12:11.24 | fsmithred | some of that has already been accomplished - heads exists and is made with live-sdk |
| 12:11.37 | fsmithred | the desktop-live isos were made with live-sdk, too |
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| 12:23.01 | dreamer | yup |
| 12:23.23 | dreamer | not sure how useful testing and unstable are to use atm |
| 12:23.33 | dreamer | in that I don't want to install jessie on any current machines |
| 12:23.47 | fsmithred | in which case? |
| 12:24.28 | fsmithred | our testing (ascii) is debian's stable (stretch) so in some ways it's very stable |
| 12:24.48 | fsmithred | but there are still some packages that need to be devuanized or otherwise fixed |
| 12:26.01 | fsmithred | my answer might be more relevant if I'd read your question correctly. That might start happening after the second cup of coffee. |
| 12:27.38 | dreamer | yeah that's the thing. I can't predict which parts need 'devuanization' (systemd and other hooks removed etc.) |
| 12:27.56 | dreamer | current debian stable is already old stuff for many packages |
| 12:28.10 | dreamer | I mean fine for a server, but say my laptop I'd like a bit more bleeding edge |
| 12:29.52 | fsmithred | if you have extra space for another partition, you could install it and try it. |
| 12:30.00 | fsmithred | or install to a usb stick |
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| 12:46.16 | ic | I forgot how much jessie was outdated actually :( |
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| 13:16.57 | dreamer | ic: heh, the stretch release reminded me :P |
| 13:17.42 | fsmithred | yeah, jessie freeze happened about 3 years ago |
| 13:18.16 | dreamer | ok that's longer than I thought hehe |
| 13:18.22 | dreamer | ancient stuff |
| 13:18.38 | dreamer | fine for a server that runs stuff in virtual environments, but not on my laptop ;) |
| 13:20.44 | fsmithred | we get a constant trickle of people in here who can't install it on their laptops because the hardware is new |
| 13:22.41 | buZz | sickness: jaromil is -the- jaromil |
| 13:23.10 | dreamer | hehe |
| 13:23.30 | dreamer | fsmithred: I haven't had 'new hardware' in a long time |
| 13:23.50 | dreamer | actually not completely true, my home server needed extra drivers for the onboard NIC because debian stable (not sure if jessie) couldn't handle it ..) |
| 13:27.11 | justinsm | Even ascii is falling behind, and it's not out yet. Firefox ESR 45.9.0esr-1 is ancient :) |
| 13:28.32 | justinsm | can't wait for beowulf |
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| 13:40.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi folks, any hints for my problem with gparted showing BS for my 5TB HDD with a vfat partition of unknown size on it? http://wstaw.org/m/2017/08/29/plasma-desktopcL2395.png cfdisk also shows/does nonsense: http://wstaw.org/m/2017/08/29/plasma-desktoppb2395.png despite me creating a Linux partition of "max size" |
| 13:41.02 | fsmithred | ascii has newer firefox than that |
| 13:42.42 | fsmithred | vfat? for real? |
| 13:43.02 | fsmithred | msdos or gpt partition table? |
| 13:43.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25424829 |
| 13:43.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly ... I have no clue |
| 13:43.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | msdos? |
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| 13:44.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe actually that's the problem: originally gpt, then messed up by cfdisk that never heard of gpt and did a msdos, then gparted totally lost on the mess? |
| 13:44.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | plausible? |
| 13:45.21 | fsmithred | I don't think msdos table can use a drive that big |
| 13:45.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | vfat since I needed that for the damn FritzBox |
| 13:45.46 | fsmithred | what's that? |
| 13:45.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, would make sense, yes |
| 13:46.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | FritzBox 7490 |
| 13:46.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | modemrouter(server) |
| 13:46.24 | fsmithred | is the vfat for uefi? |
| 13:46.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? |
| 13:46.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is an external USB3 HDD |
| 13:46.48 | fsmithred | 0x0C is what? |
| 13:47.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0x0C should be FAT32 |
| 13:47.59 | fsmithred | I still don't understand what the vfat is for |
| 13:48.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2017/08/29/plasma-desktopkv2395.png |
| 13:48.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | for portability |
| 13:48.41 | fsmithred | oh, ok |
| 13:48.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.avm.de/products/fritzbox/fritzbox-7490/ |
| 13:49.00 | fsmithred | portability might not work so well with gpt partitions. Not sure about that. |
| 13:49.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.avm.de/news/the-latest-news-from-fritz/2013/myfritz-and-fritznas-the-secure-private-cloud-from-avm/ |
| 13:50.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I could live with Fritzbox not accessing this drive anymore, just need my backups and space for doing new ones |
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| 13:51.34 | aitor | hi |
| 13:51.38 | fsmithred | hi |
| 13:51.51 | aitor | \o |
| 13:52.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.avm.de/guide/streaming-nas-and-remote-access/using-the-fritzbox-nas-function/ |
| 13:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I probbaly should just nuke the whole partitioning and go for ext4: https://en.avm.de/service/fritzbox/fritzbox-7490/knowledge-base/publication/show/26_Configuring-a-USB-storage-device-connected-to-FRITZ-Box/ |
| 13:55.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>... or ext2/ext3/ext4 and may have no more than four partitions, each ***up to 4 terabytes*** in size.<< :-S |
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| 13:55.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | that was the idea: have a 1TB vfat and a 4TB ext4 |
| 13:57.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | but as you said, msdos part-tbl fails for 5TB drive, and cfdisk is lost with that |
| 13:57.18 | fsmithred | 2TB limit with msdos table |
| 13:57.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 13:57.29 | fsmithred | use cgdisk |
| 13:57.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 13:57.35 | fsmithred | or gparted |
| 13:57.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | gparted: http://wstaw.org/m/2017/08/29/plasma-desktopcL2395.png |
| 13:58.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the problem :-) |
| 13:58.32 | fsmithred | select Device and make a new partition table |
| 13:58.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ and cfdisk http://paste.ubuntu.com/25424829/ show same HDD |
| 13:58.55 | fsmithred | gpt is in the drop-down menu that pops up |
| 13:58.59 | fsmithred | brb |
| 14:00.00 | aitor | fsmithred: neither my website nor my email address (associated to it) will be available for a few days (about a couple of days), so i'll send you a temporary email address |
| 14:00.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok. seems I already have nuked my music and backups, despite http://wstaw.org/m/2017/08/29/plasma-desktopTX2395.png |
| 14:00.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I prolly as well can nuke it more and create a decent gpt partition table |
| 14:02.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | cgdisk: Could not load partitions from '/de/dev/sdd'! Aborting! |
| 14:02.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 14:02.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | typo |
| 14:03.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | now this is the better message of cgdisk >> Warning! Non-GPT or damaged disk detected! This program will attempt to convert to GPT form or repair damage to GPT data structures, but may not succeed. Use gdisk or another disk repair tool if you have a damaged GPT disk.<< |
| 14:03.39 | fsmithred | aitor, ok, thanks. I haven't gotten to testing any of your stuff yet. Yesterday was a crazy day. |
| 14:04.13 | fsmithred | DocScrutinizer05, I just use gparted for that. |
| 14:04.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | gparted: http://wstaw.org/m/2017/08/29/plasma-desktopcL2395.png |
| 14:04.38 | fsmithred | point and shoot. (Thinking is hard work) |
| 14:05.13 | fsmithred | click on Device |
| 14:05.49 | fsmithred | Create partition table |
| 14:07.23 | aitor | fsmithred: no worries, i'll improve the code |
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| 14:09.44 | aitor | it's a rushed code |
| 14:10.12 | fsmithred | that's ok. I think it all needs some work to get all the parts to work together |
| 14:11.04 | aitor | yes |
| 14:11.47 | fsmithred | I'm not fully convinced that doing it this way is the best choice, but it needs to be tried. |
| 14:12.16 | fsmithred | DocScrutinizer05, you getting anywhere with that? |
| 14:12.42 | aitor | it would be a good idea to keep a separate repository for the .udeb packages |
| 14:13.11 | fsmithred | separate from what? |
| 14:14.53 | aitor | debmirror taakes too long due to the unnecessary initrd.gz and wmlinuz for cdrom, hd-media, netinst, etc |
| 14:15.33 | fsmithred | ok. I don't have a good picture of how all this repo stuff works. Not until I try it. |
| 14:17.27 | aitor | downloading the repo for d-i takes some time, rsync would be a good option to keep it up-to-date |
| 14:18.27 | fsmithred | having to download everything is probably the main thing I don't like about live-build and live-sdk |
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| 14:23.55 | aitor | and what is the alternative? you can make a squashfs file with all the content, the unique difference is in the network connection dependence |
| 14:24.38 | fsmithred | thinks DocScrutinizer05 may have fainted when he saw "Thinking is hard work." |
| 14:25.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | just busy with 5 other tasks in || |
| 14:25.41 | fsmithred | good. I was beginning to worry. |
| 14:25.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | nuking a 1TB of backups shouldn't get done in a hurry anyway |
| 14:26.02 | aitor | brb :) |
| 14:26.04 | fsmithred | agreed |
| 14:26.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mifgr want to thoroughly think about this |
| 14:26.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | might* |
| 14:26.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | may reconstructin the original GPT is a better option |
| 14:27.38 | fsmithred | you can do that without losing data? |
| 14:28.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't know |
| 14:28.45 | fsmithred | I don't think so |
| 14:29.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | the funny thing: mere plug and automount: http://wstaw.org/m/2017/08/29/plasma-desktopTX2395.png |
| 14:30.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | *still* |
| 14:30.59 | fsmithred | is there anything konqueror can't do? |
| 14:33.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not |
| 14:34.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | lately it blows chunks playing .mpv etc files |
| 14:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | VLC FTW |
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| 14:39.16 | fsmithred | .mpg or .mkv? |
| 14:59.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | mkv |
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| 15:00.17 | fsmithred | I have trouble with those, too. |
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| 20:42.15 | Guest3765 | hi all! |
| 20:43.43 | Guest3765 | who knows, which variant of devuan iso contains expert install mode? (exept netinstall) |
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| 20:46.43 | fsmithred | all the installer isos do |
| 20:47.05 | fsmithred | (not the live isos) |
| 20:48.05 | fsmithred | Guest3765, are you planning to install without a network mirror? |
| 20:48.29 | Guest3765 | fsmithred, no |
| 20:49.13 | fsmithred | ok. Was going to warn you against the CD if you were. DVD is better. But if you're going to use a mirror, may as well just get the netinstall. |
| 20:51.04 | Guest3765 | fsmithred, release version installs networkmanager or another variant? |
| 20:51.31 | fsmithred | wicd is the default, but nm is in the repo |
| 20:52.44 | Guest3765 | fsmithred, i want to install xfce desktop with networkmanager using expert instal |
| 20:52.56 | Guest3765 | l* |
| 20:53.16 | fsmithred | well, you'll get xfce with wicd and then you can change it to networkmanager |
| 20:54.17 | fsmithred | expert install doesn't give you fine-grained package choices. |
| 20:55.16 | Guest3765 | it replace wicd to networkmanager automaticaly, when i'll choose it? |
| 20:55.34 | fsmithred | choose what? xfce desktop? |
| 20:55.46 | fsmithred | or do you think you can choose n-m during the installation? |
| 20:55.49 | Guest3765 | networkmanager |
| 20:56.11 | Guest3765 | no, if i'll chiise it after install |
| 20:56.20 | fsmithred | not sure. I think you might need to remove wicd (or at least turn it off) before you install nm |
| 20:56.21 | Guest3765 | choose* |
| 20:57.40 | fsmithred | you connect with wire or wireless? |
| 20:58.07 | Guest3765 | i am afraid to lose network working after all |
| 20:58.18 | fsmithred | yeah, that's what I'm thinking |
| 20:58.20 | Guest3765 | ethernet |
| 20:58.27 | fsmithred | good. That's easier. |
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| 20:58.34 | fsmithred | just install nm and see what happens |
| 20:59.10 | fsmithred | if you get bumped offline, it'll already be installed. Then remove wicd. |
| 20:59.27 | fsmithred | worst case scenario, you have to open a root terminal and run 'dhclient eth0' |
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| 21:01.05 | Guest3765 | fsmithred, so, any live versions does not contain expert install mode, right? |
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| 21:08.18 | fsmithred | no, it contains a different installer |
| 21:08.30 | fsmithred | copies the live system to hard drive |
| 21:08.56 | fsmithred | it's faster, but has some limitations - no lvm, no raid |
| 21:09.31 | fsmithred | why do you need expert? |
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| 21:20.10 | xkr47 | hi! |
| 21:20.53 | Lydia_K | Hiya |
| 21:21.26 | xkr47 | tried devuan beta some time ago.. thought I'd try the release now |
| 21:21.31 | Lydia_K | Cool :) |
| 21:21.56 | Horst | hello I have a problem |
| 21:22.22 | Horst | I had GRUB on my sda, and it was registered in the MBR of sdc |
| 21:22.30 | Horst | but then I reformated sdc |
| 21:22.36 | Horst | how can I get it back there? |
| 21:23.27 | fsmithred | you have an installer disk? CD or DVD or even usb? |
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| 21:23.53 | Lydia_K | Sorry, gotta catch a train. |
| 21:23.59 | fsmithred | Horst, ^^^ |
| 21:24.07 | Lydia_K | Later! |
| 21:24.11 | Horst | I have live USB |
| 21:24.17 | xkr47 | Horst, so you can't boot now, right? |
| 21:24.26 | fsmithred | oh, you used the live iso? |
| 21:24.36 | Horst | i can boot with live USB, but cant boot the installed system |
| 21:24.36 | aitor | i'm wondering if golinux es still running behind the armadillo |
| 21:25.14 | sickness | I'd like to have a working live that can boot from pxe =_) |
| 21:25.19 | Horst | yeah, my sdc USB stick doesnt boot |
| 21:25.26 | fsmithred | there's a way to boot the hard drive from isolinux boot menu |
| 21:25.42 | Horst | o.o |
| 21:25.44 | Horst | how? |
| 21:25.56 | fsmithred | hang on. |
| 21:26.04 | Horst | ok |
| 21:26.25 | fsmithred | at the boot menu, press TAB |
| 21:26.34 | fsmithred | erase whatever is on that line |
| 21:26.43 | Horst | and is there a way to get /dev/sda1/boot/grub back on /dev/sdd's MBR? |
| 21:26.49 | fsmithred | then there are two ways to do it |
| 21:27.11 | fsmithred | yeah, once you boot that system, it's easy. just run 'grub-install /dev/sdd' |
| 21:27.16 | aitor | fsmithred: i've built linux-libre-3.16.47 disabling the ath3k driver and gnuinos with vdev boots quickly now |
| 21:27.24 | fsmithred | wow |
| 21:27.32 | aitor | yes :) |
| 21:27.52 | fsmithred | Horst, there are two possible ways to boot the hard drive - one of them should work |
| 21:28.09 | fsmithred | put the following on the command line after you erase it: |
| 21:28.11 | Horst | and I cant make grub-install from some live system? |
| 21:28.19 | fsmithred | chain.c32 hdd0,0 |
| 21:28.37 | fsmithred | yeah, you can - you need to use the --root-directory option |
| 21:28.44 | fsmithred | or you need to chroot into the system |
| 21:29.14 | fsmithred | if the chain.c32 method doesn't work, try this line instead: |
| 21:29.23 | fsmithred | localboot 0x80 |
| 21:30.44 | Horst | oh i mistaken, my Linux is on /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:30.54 | Horst | how is that with hdd..? |
| 21:31.07 | fsmithred | my guess is hdd1,1 |
| 21:31.21 | fsmithred | or localboot 0x81 I think |
| 21:32.15 | Horst | ok, i'll try, thanks :) |
| 21:32.44 | Guest3765 | fsmithred, <fsmithred> why do you need expert? <this method (expert) is habitual for me, i use it always, as usual as netinstall, but almost never use another ways |
| 21:33.19 | fsmithred | oh, ok. It gives you a few more choices. |
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| 21:41.36 | Guest3765 | guys, i need reboot to check how it works, "i'll be back" (c) |
| 21:44.58 | fsmithred | aitor, how fast is fast? vdev usually takes a couple minutes for me |
| 21:46.22 | aitor | ? |
| 21:46.45 | aitor | i can't send you an image now, because my wbsite is off |
| 21:47.15 | aitor | website* |
| 21:47.52 | aitor | i host gnuinos.org in ovh, and no problems... |
| 21:48.13 | aitor | but gnuinos.org is registered with another provider |
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| 21:50.02 | aitor | i phone them and i always get: "all the operators are busy now" |
| 21:50.57 | aitor | i want to finish my device manager gui this week |
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| 21:52.35 | fsmithred | ok, no hurry |
| 21:52.57 | fsmithred | let me know. I want to try it. vdev is painfully slow. |
| 21:54.04 | aitor | works fine for me |
| 21:55.37 | aitor | i'll build a common initramfs-tools for both, and vdev will break with devuan's version |
| 21:58.40 | aitor | the only risk is to reinstall initramfs-tools using vdev, because the init file in /usr/share/initramfs-tools will change and "update initramfs -u" will break the system |
| 21:59.08 | aitor | so, we need another initramfs-tools |
| 21:59.52 | aitor | other changes are needed, but they are only for live sessions; so, no worries |
| 22:00.11 | aitor | in live-boot, for example |
| 22:00.32 | fsmithred | yeah, most of the stuff I do is making live isos |
| 22:00.51 | fsmithred | which is why I haven't played with vdev in almost a year |
| 22:01.15 | fsmithred | I need to go start making dinner |
| 22:01.30 | aitor | ok, see you :) |
| 22:01.34 | fsmithred | later |
| 22:01.53 | aitor | bon appetit |
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| 22:04.46 | golinux | aitor: Thankfully have not seen the armadillo in some time. |
| 22:11.48 | aitor | golinux: thankfully? |
| 22:12.00 | aitor | i hope you don't find any grub in your salads |
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| 22:12.23 | golinux | Yes. They are destructive |
| 22:14.11 | aitor | golinux: if you live in both hemispheres at the same time, then you are two persons, as minimum |
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| 22:19.23 | aitor | polocho is known now as pocholo |
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| 22:28.23 | aitor | time to bed, bye :) |
| 22:34.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: from cgdisk (ROTFL *cough*): http://wstaw.org/m/2017/08/30/plasma-desktopzg2395.png |
| 22:37.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | versus cfdisk (same HDD): http://wstaw.org/m/2017/08/30/plasma-desktopPe2395.png |
| 22:40.56 | fsmithred | weird |
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| 22:41.27 | fsmithred | that's with gpt partition table? |
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| 23:00.47 | Xenguy | [6~[6~[5~/c |
| 23:01.06 | Xenguy | .oO(Put that in your pipe and smoke it!) |
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| 23:10.19 | fsmithred | DocScrutinizer05, what partition table? And what does gparted (or just parted) say? |
| 23:11.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-08-29 Tue 16:04:31] <DocScrutinizer05> gparted: http://wstaw.org/m/2017/08/29/plasma-desktopcL2395.png |
| 23:13.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess my mkfs.ext4 killed the data that happened to overlap with sdd2 |
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