| 00:02.43 | nepugia | devuan now runs all my hardware :) |
| 00:02.59 | nepugia | on* |
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| 00:05.28 | Spass | fsmithred: ok, thanks for the quick reply |
| 00:05.43 | fsmithred | yw |
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| 00:31.09 | golinux | Hi Spass. Nice to see you here! |
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| 00:35.34 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-5): Jessie 1.0.0 RC2 | https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
| 00:37.00 | Spass | true, it does require some fiddling around, but it's satisfying when all starts to look as expected, and works |
| 00:40.08 | golinux | Spass: See . . . you already are part of this community and your report has been useful. :) |
| 00:40.32 | golinux | Mission accomplished, I'd say. |
| 00:42.23 | Spass | heh, I wouldn't be so fast with that statement |
| 00:42.34 | Spass | but it's a start |
| 00:44.37 | golinux | Baby steps . . . |
| 00:45.00 | Spass | true |
| 00:49.06 | Spass | I'm used to 'apt' instead 'apt-get', is it considered a bad habit or is it no real difference? same outcome, but different route? |
| 00:54.57 | nepugia | different tools, you can use both :) |
| 00:55.13 | nepugia | there exist some differences |
| 00:58.06 | fsmithred | using apt is newer and is apparently the preferred method now. I still use apt-get and aptitude |
| 00:59.34 | nepugia | i use apt-get, sometimes aptitude although it's preffered solution to dependency resolution seems to be to not install anything |
| 00:59.44 | fsmithred | for a simulated install, I think aptitude gives nicer output. I ususally do that first, and then install with apt-get. |
| 01:00.15 | fsmithred | and occasionally aptitude solves a dilemma that apt-get (nor I) can figure out. |
| 01:01.38 | nepugia | different dbus version in i386 and amd64 xD, aptitufes solution is to removr half my system (dunno if tjat still holds, probably not) |
| 01:06.33 | fsmithred | nepugia, where are you seeing that? |
| 01:07.36 | nepugia | had that once, don't think it is still the case, but i can check if you'd like |
| 01:07.39 | fsmithred | tell aptitude no, instead of quit, and it will usually give you other choices |
| 01:07.42 | fsmithred | oh, ok |
| 01:07.47 | fsmithred | no, I just checked. It's ok |
| 01:07.55 | fsmithred | you had me worried |
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| 02:36.43 | Xenguy | investigates apt... |
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| 02:43.29 | Xenguy | $ apt --help |
| 02:43.53 | Xenguy | It's like it tries to integrate all of apt-get, apt-cache, and dpkg |
| 02:44.05 | Xenguy | Like you'd use if using apt-get |
| 02:44.16 | Xenguy | Looks promising |
| 02:45.25 | NewGnuGuy1 | Xenguy: but primarily for interactive use. It explicitly warns you not to use it in scripts. |
| 02:45.34 | Xenguy | True |
| 02:45.56 | Xenguy | Good point |
| 02:47.58 | Xenguy | Someone mentioned that they thought I should be able to use either apt or apt-get, and that they are generally compatible |
| 02:48.30 | Xenguy | i.e. you can go back and forth, using whichever one you want, and all will be well |
| 02:50.02 | gnarface | i don't really think aptitude is incompatible in that respect, but it will use it's own caches |
| 02:50.14 | gnarface | (and sometimes come up with wildly different solutions to collisions) |
| 02:50.50 | Xenguy | I never drank the koolaid, but it seems like good software |
| 02:51.05 | gnarface | i don't like it, but i can see why people would want a package manager like that |
| 02:51.19 | gnarface | the "do what i mean/do what i think i mean" logic |
| 02:52.23 | Xenguy | tries to remember the name of the ancient ncurses interface he used to use... |
| 02:52.35 | gnarface | dselect? |
| 02:52.39 | Xenguy | I thought it was connected with dpkg |
| 02:52.45 | Xenguy | yes, dselect! |
| 02:52.58 | Xenguy | I used to use that all the time |
| 02:53.05 | gnarface | i never got into it really |
| 02:53.09 | Xenguy | It was famous for being a narly interface |
| 02:53.20 | Xenguy | narly as in occasionally annoying |
| 02:53.36 | gnarface | yea. i never seemed to need it |
| 02:53.46 | gnarface | my purposes are generally much less complex i guess |
| 02:53.58 | Xenguy | That was back when I first started learning debian |
| 02:54.20 | Xenguy | That was a nostalgic moment there |
| 02:54.36 | gnarface | it used to be part of the installer didn't it? |
| 02:54.39 | gnarface | i'm not sure if it still is |
| 02:54.43 | Xenguy | dunno |
| 03:19.51 | fsmithred | dselect was evil for anyone coming from suse or redhat |
| 03:20.40 | fsmithred | it gave the impression of being a graphical package manager, but it led you down rabbit holes |
| 03:21.14 | fsmithred | I was very glad when someone finally told me to just take the default install and add what I want later |
| 03:22.37 | fsmithred | I haven't seen it in years |
| 03:24.05 | fsmithred | aptitude has the ncurses interface. I don't remember dselect well enough to tell if the two are the same or not. Sure looks like what I remember. |
| 03:25.50 | fsmithred | try it. just 'aptitude' in a terminal. as user. check available updates. |
| 03:32.09 | NewGnuGuy1 | Synaptic is my graphical package manager of choice |
| 03:32.29 | fsmithred | yeah, that one is good |
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| 06:18.17 | KatolaZ | oh boy, how could you say dselect had an ugly interface?!? :D |
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| 07:08.08 | mchasard_ | hello |
| 07:10.43 | mchasard_ | somebodies here use devuan arm with rasp pi3 |
| 07:18.16 | Leander_ | I do |
| 07:20.14 | mchasard_ | ok cool |
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| 07:21.03 | mchasard_ | so do you have some troubles with video reading ... not really comfortable by me |
| 07:21.49 | Leander_ | I use it as a sever, so I never plugged a monitor into it |
| 07:21.53 | Leander_ | *server |
| 07:22.33 | mchasard_ | hum its a different using ok ... |
| 07:24.05 | mchasard_ | pitty cause with any application its not really readable ...so jerk |
| 07:28.40 | Leander_ | the only thing I can think about is that, maybe, the GPU drivers aren't included by default, and you need to install them to have a proper X11 display |
| 07:29.25 | mchasard_ | it depend the distro i use ?? |
| 07:29.50 | mchasard_ | so for devuan arm the gpu driver are not installed ? |
| 07:30.54 | Leander_ | I don't know, it's just an hypothesis |
| 07:32.14 | mchasard_ | hum ok may be the devuan arm room could answer me but theres no much people to answer |
| 07:36.16 | mchasard_ | note that i have same troubles with other distribution |
| 07:36.50 | Leander_ | the other one being raspbian? |
| 07:37.42 | mchasard_ | yes |
| 07:37.57 | mchasard_ | i tried also manjaro arm , archlinux arm |
| 07:38.16 | mchasard_ | lubuntu ... |
| 07:39.22 | Leander_ | then what about the HDMI cable? did you try another one? |
| 07:40.25 | mchasard_ | not for the moment cause i don't use it i use an adaptator to plugg my screen |
| 07:40.44 | mchasard_ | its not hdmi but vga |
| 07:42.36 | Leander_ | I don't know how well this is supported |
| 07:43.02 | Leander_ | maybe the pi3 cannot detect properly your monitor's native resolution |
| 07:43.45 | mchasard_ | may be its an aoc 1920x1080 screen |
| 07:43.53 | mchasard_ | 23' |
| 07:47.11 | Leander_ | you can start by looking at the output of xrandr |
| 07:48.33 | mchasard_ | i have to try under another screen like tv in hdmi |
| 07:49.42 | Leander_ | if the TV with HDMI works properly, then it's definitely a problem because of the converter |
| 07:50.27 | Leander_ | but with the TV plugged in, xrandr will give you the TV's resolutions, not the monitor's |
| 07:50.45 | gnarface | on my original pi, i have to set the boot flag to ignore the display EDID for my display |
| 07:51.03 | mchasard_ | hum ok |
| 07:51.39 | gnarface | then of course i also have to add the flag to force the right resolution |
| 07:51.44 | gnarface | but then it works |
| 07:51.52 | mchasard_ | could it be the cpu wich is not really too strong to read this files ? |
| 07:52.22 | gnarface | well yes, if it's not a file the hardware decoding will work for |
| 07:52.51 | gnarface | and i've had format compatibilities with mine with some h264 files just because they had a weird pixel format too |
| 07:52.58 | mchasard_ | ok i have to test with a TV so |
| 07:53.34 | gnarface | my pi seemed to want everything to be in yuv420p |
| 07:53.48 | gnarface | for the hardware decoding to work right |
| 07:53.50 | mchasard_ | its also a pi3 ? |
| 07:53.57 | gnarface | no it's an old one |
| 07:54.05 | gnarface | model B? |
| 07:54.10 | mchasard_ | ok |
| 07:54.41 | gnarface | with this old one, the cpu is too slow for most video, without that |
| 07:55.09 | gnarface | yea, pi 1 model b |
| 07:55.13 | gnarface | is what i have here |
| 07:55.18 | Leander_ | wait, I thought you had a problem with your screen's resolution |
| 07:55.27 | mchasard_ | yes its old but it works for your need |
| 07:55.48 | mchasard_ | ok |
| 07:56.15 | mchasard_ | sorry at the moment i'm not under devuan arm |
| 07:56.24 | gnarface | i came in the middle of the conversation, sorry |
| 07:56.35 | mchasard_ | welcome |
| 07:56.36 | gnarface | wandering away too |
| 07:57.11 | Leander_ | but now I have a doubt |
| 07:57.25 | Leander_ | what's your *exact* problem with the pi3? |
| 07:58.05 | mchasard_ | its about the video file to read |
| 07:58.09 | mchasard_ | its jerky |
| 07:58.13 | Leander_ | ah... |
| 07:58.18 | mchasard_ | its not readable |
| 07:58.28 | Leander_ | I thought it was a problem with X |
| 07:58.34 | mchasard_ | i have the same troubles with a raspian os |
| 07:58.57 | Leander_ | is it, by chance, some anime? |
| 07:59.06 | gnarface | oh, well make sure you're using omxplayer |
| 07:59.20 | mchasard_ | yes i can see anim but to jerky ...i can also hear the sound |
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| 07:59.48 | mchasard_ | omxplayer ... i tried mpv vlc |
| 08:00.02 | Leander_ | I don't know all the gory details, but h264 has many encoding "profiles", and typically, hardware decoders (like the one you'll find in your Pi's GPU) only support a handful of these |
| 08:00.08 | mchasard_ | but i remember to test also with omxplayer |
| 08:00.27 | mchasard_ | hum ok ... |
| 08:00.41 | mchasard_ | it depend of the files to read |
| 08:00.43 | Leander_ | so if the profile can't be hardware decoded, the CPU has to do the job, and ARM CPUs aren't good at that |
| 08:01.01 | gnarface | omxplayer will use the hardware decoding feature of the pi by default. with mpv and vlc, you may have to recompile them to make it work |
| 08:01.02 | mchasard_ | yes i saw that lol |
| 08:01.30 | mchasard_ | so for the moment the best way is to test with omxplayer ? |
| 08:01.53 | mchasard_ | if i don't know how to recompile ... |
| 08:02.39 | Leander_ | omxplayer should indeed be your default choice |
| 08:03.20 | mchasard_ | ok thanks for this infos ... |
| 08:04.00 | mchasard_ | ok i have to test an be back to report |
| 08:04.18 | mchasard_ | i reboot under devuan arm |
| 08:04.28 | gnarface | i dunno i usually just run it like: omxplayer -o hdmi [filename] |
| 08:04.28 | mchasard_ | see you later ...bye |
| 08:05.00 | mchasard_ | ok i have to pass through command line ? |
| 08:05.12 | mchasard_ | ok noted |
| 08:05.37 | mchasard_ | thanks |
| 08:08.13 | Leander_ | it's strange that mpv isn't compiled with the proper support, it might warrant a bug report |
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| 08:11.14 | mchasard | i i'm back again under devuan arm this time |
| 08:11.49 | mchasard | if it could find the package omxplayer i have to add some repositories adress ? |
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| 08:15.43 | gr8 | is there going to be a hardened version of Devua, like hardened gentoo? |
| 08:16.46 | gr8 | *Devuan |
| 08:17.09 | mchasard | no way to find omxplayer |
| 08:25.40 | parazyd | mchasard: i already linked you to it: http://omxplayer.sconde.net |
| 08:26.18 | mchasard | ok thanks |
| 08:26.39 | parazyd | gr8: there could be, provided we have/get enough contributors for it |
| 08:26.49 | parazyd | at the current state hardly |
| 08:27.15 | mchasard | so i have to installe this deb file manually ? |
| 08:28.27 | parazyd | yes |
| 08:28.33 | parazyd | there are instructions on the page |
| 08:28.40 | mchasard | yes ok thanks |
| 08:31.01 | gr8 | parazyd: are you lacking contributors? |
| 08:31.21 | parazyd | i don't know what's the current state of selinux in debian for example |
| 08:31.41 | parazyd | and then afterwards, package hardening needs to be applied to about 15k packages |
| 08:31.51 | parazyd | which is a relatively big job |
| 08:32.20 | parazyd | by package hardening i meant compiling with hardened flags |
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| 08:32.36 | aitor | g'morning |
| 08:35.01 | mchasard | when i run dpkg -i it says that it doesn't correspond to an arm 64 file ? |
| 08:35.13 | mchasard | i believe the file is for arm only ? |
| 08:35.44 | mchasard | i tried with the stable version |
| 08:37.29 | parazyd | mchasard: you should use armhf, there is no omxplayer support for amd64 unfortunately |
| 08:39.18 | mchasard | l'architecture du paquet (armhf) ne correspond pas à celle du système (arm64) |
| 08:39.18 | mchasard | Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution : |
| 08:53.47 | aitor | Centurion_Dan: i think i'll use definitively a socket in C using the User Data Protocol |
| 08:54.16 | aitor | i'll declare an integer Security Key in the frontend, which changes randomly over time |
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| 08:55.21 | aitor | when the user clicks on the Connect button, its value will be freezen and the backend will be run consequently sending the current value of the security key as an argument in the command line |
| 08:55.49 | aitor | now the backend loops, waiting on the port |
| 08:55.53 | aitor | listening |
| 08:56.35 | aitor | when the backend receives the message, checks that the message and the argument in the command line are equal |
| 08:58.50 | aitor | brb |
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| 09:07.15 | malinas_ | I don't know what this "security key" talk was about, but it looks like aitor is trying to bake their own security scheme in a program, and that does not sound good |
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| 09:16.11 | bluemarlin | yep, this definitely doesn't sound right |
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| 12:20.59 | minnesotags | apt vs. apt-get? Huh? |
| 12:21.05 | aitor | why? |
| 12:21.24 | aitor | where is the weak point? |
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| 12:21.55 | minnesotags | I confess to not know that there was an "apt" command and that it is different. |
| 12:24.10 | DPA | Just install it, not sure which package. Try "apt-get install apt" |
| 12:24.15 | Akuli | apt is just apt-get, apt-cache and some other stuff combined |
| 12:24.21 | Akuli | i mean apt the command |
| 12:24.21 | fsmithred | apt gives you a pretty green progress bar. |
| 12:24.34 | Akuli | aptitude gives you a pretty curses ui |
| 12:24.41 | fsmithred | yikes |
| 12:25.22 | fsmithred | read the scrollback to see what I said about aptitude and dselect |
| 12:25.24 | aitor | malinas_: what's wrong on sending a random integer via localhost? |
| 12:33.25 | aitor | furrywolf never saw a swallow... |
| 12:33.39 | aitor | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.11 | aitor | the swallow is the logo of LXDE :) |
| 12:34.37 | DPA | Wait a minute, apt and apt-get are in the same package? I always thought apt where a different package, I didn't know... |
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| 12:38.59 | Spass | hello, what I have to do to permit myself (user) to do operations on stuff (like restoring ISO image to USB drive) in gnome-disks? right now i get this warning "Not authorized to perform operation (udisks-error-quark, 4)" |
| 12:39.13 | Spass | I assume I must add myself to some group? |
| 12:41.20 | fsmithred | Spass, what are you trying to do? |
| 12:42.41 | aitor | hi, fsmithred |
| 12:42.52 | fsmithred | aitor, get pictures or videos of swallows in flight |
| 12:43.26 | Spass | "burn" ISO image to my USB drive in gnome-disks using 'Restore disk image' option |
| 12:43.35 | fsmithred | and I thought your video was pretty good quality. |
| 12:43.38 | Spass | yes, I know I can use dd under root |
| 12:43.48 | fsmithred | I don't know gnome disks |
| 12:44.01 | fsmithred | doesn't it pop up a window asking for a password? |
| 12:44.14 | aitor | lol, i'm no Steven Spielberg |
| 12:44.16 | debdog | mayhap it's possible to run it as root: su-to-root -X -c gnome-disks |
| 12:44.26 | Spass | no, just a warning |
| 12:44.57 | fsmithred | grep Exec /usr/share/applications/gnome-disks.desktop |
| 12:45.33 | Spass | it's working after "gksu gnome-disks" |
| 12:45.44 | fsmithred | that will show what command actually runs when you start it from the menu |
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| 13:04.10 | Spass | I think I'll just open gnome-disks with gksu and don't bother more, it works :) |
| 13:05.50 | Spass | it's just my habits from Xubuntu where I can do almost everything from normal user, I'll have to accustom |
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| 13:07.29 | fsmithred | Spass, you can change the Exec line in the .desktop file |
| 13:07.47 | fsmithred | to 'gksu gnome-disks' |
| 13:08.07 | Spass | yep, done already, thanks |
| 13:08.13 | fsmithred | cool |
| 13:08.45 | Spass | I'm using menulibre for that, but I'm aware of editing .desktop files |
| 13:09.27 | fsmithred | I had to change a couple of mine because I don't have pkexec, which gets used for synaptic and gparted |
| 13:09.44 | Spass | exactly, I changed synaptic too |
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| 13:10.23 | fsmithred | do you have libsystemd0 installed? |
| 13:10.37 | fsmithred | or did you exclude it? |
| 13:11.52 | Spass | it's installed, can I remove it without issues? |
| 13:11.59 | fsmithred | no |
| 13:12.07 | fsmithred | well, depends |
| 13:12.37 | fsmithred | gvfs-daemons requires it, and that's what makes the trash and drive icons on the desktop |
| 13:12.37 | Spass | ahh, it have some dependencies on my system |
| 13:13.14 | fsmithred | a few things still depend on lsd0, but it's not too difficult to do without it. |
| 13:13.38 | fsmithred | but leaving it should not be an issue, either. |
| 13:14.03 | fsmithred | it's mostly unused |
| 13:14.10 | Spass | so I can treat it as a 'dummy package' for now? |
| 13:14.40 | fsmithred | I know you can't replace it with a dummy package, because gvfs won't work. |
| 13:15.58 | Spass | are there plans to completely remove that package from future releases? or is it impossible/not needed at this point? |
| 13:16.54 | fsmithred | well, the plan is to start working on ascii when jessie is stable |
| 13:17.19 | fsmithred | and we don't know all the problems we'll run into |
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| 13:18.17 | fsmithred | I have an ascii install - I'll check to see what's there. |
| 13:20.26 | fsmithred | yeah, I have libsystemd0 in my ascii. rpcbind needs it, and nfs-common needs rpcbind |
| 13:21.12 | fsmithred | oh, no... |
| 13:22.04 | fsmithred | lots more would go if I removed it: xserver-xorg-core, cups-daemon, samba-libs... |
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| 13:22.43 | fsmithred | lots of work to do. |
| 13:22.49 | Spass | well, looks like it's here to stay |
| 13:22.53 | Spass | for now |
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| 16:55.25 | Guest14181 | fsmithred: I'm about to try RC2 UEFI on a new PC, non-hp. (This is nikitis btw) |
| 16:55.58 | fsmithred | hi |
| 16:56.15 | Guest14181 | I'm on a broken windows client, why I have a guest id |
| 16:56.28 | fsmithred | ok |
| 16:56.51 | fsmithred | I just sat down, so go for it. |
| 16:56.56 | Guest14181 | This will be done on an Asus ZS-W97 mainboard |
| 16:57.20 | fsmithred | yay |
| 16:57.50 | fsmithred | no windows on it? |
| 16:58.00 | Guest14181 | Currently yes, but I'm gonna wipe it |
| 16:58.09 | Guest14181 | I was dual booting UEFI Windows and Linux Mint |
| 16:58.12 | fsmithred | you're sure about that? |
| 16:58.42 | Guest14181 | I'm sick of Windows re-ordering the UEFI and putting them first |
| 16:59.09 | fsmithred | does it do that every time you boot windows? |
| 16:59.28 | Guest14181 | No, only when Windows does one of their mini-upgrades, it overwrites the order |
| 16:59.43 | buZz | what do you need windows for? |
| 16:59.54 | buZz | i never really saw a reason for that os to exist |
| 17:00.00 | Guest14181 | Games is all really, but I can make 90% of them work on Linux |
| 17:00.07 | buZz | ah k |
| 17:00.25 | fsmithred | some people need to run proprietary software that's windows-only |
| 17:00.44 | fsmithred | because their employer doesn't know that you don't need windows |
| 17:00.45 | Guest14181 | I use Devuan at Microsoft |
| 17:00.52 | Guest14181 | works for MS |
| 17:00.55 | fsmithred | oh, right |
| 17:01.01 | nepugia | i run linux for games, otherwise i wojld be running freebsd only ;) |
| 17:01.08 | Guest14181 | I got another guy at MS using devuan now too |
| 17:01.14 | fsmithred | cool |
| 17:01.21 | Guest14181 | It's spreading :) |
| 17:03.18 | Guest14181 | But yeah, I play CS:GO, (Has Native Linux client), 7 Days to Die (Also native linux client), League of Legends (Emulated via wine, not so well though) |
| 17:03.42 | Guest14181 | And a occasional new single player game now and then |
| 17:04.04 | Guest14181 | But a lot of games are releasing for Steam Linux |
| 17:04.18 | Guest14181 | Making it much easier to ditch windows |
| 17:06.26 | Guest14181 | Microsoft recently announced they are going to fight piracy by fingerprinting all of your files and share those fingerprints on a cloud database. If they find the fingerprints on other computers you'll be flagged, if you are flagged multiple times then it will ACL lock you out of those files and you cannot access them even as admin |
| 17:06.39 | buZz | isnt that SmartScreen ? |
| 17:06.52 | buZz | that fingerprints all files and sends hash to microsoft? |
| 17:06.58 | OmegaPhil | What the fuck? Thats happening? |
| 17:07.01 | OmegaPhil | searches |
| 17:07.03 | Guest14181 | Yeah |
| 17:07.06 | buZz | since windows vista iirc |
| 17:07.08 | Guest14181 | not in USA yet |
| 17:07.10 | buZz | aka NT6 |
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| 17:07.13 | Guest14181 | they are starting in Britain first |
| 17:07.27 | OmegaPhil | No literally harvesting info about people's files |
| 17:07.29 | nepugia | Guest14181: you are illegally copying viruses ;) |
| 17:07.37 | fsmithred | so if you create a file and share it with a lot of people you get locked out? |
| 17:08.15 | nepugia | cmd.exe has been detected on your pc |
| 17:08.28 | fsmithred | would that include everyone with the same linux iso on their windows partition? |
| 17:08.40 | Guest14181 | They plan to use AI to filter the data |
| 17:08.54 | Guest14181 | to determine if it's a movie or music etc |
| 17:09.09 | OmegaPhil | Any links? |
| 17:09.20 | Guest14181 | Not handy on this machine, let me see if I can find it |
| 17:09.30 | OmegaPhil | kk, I'll check here later |
| 17:09.47 | Guest14181 | When that happens, people will leave windows in droves |
| 17:10.01 | OmegaPhil | To macs or phones perhaps |
| 17:11.53 | nepugia | or.. bsd's .. i meen i can dream right? :p (probably some mainstream linux though, the darwin os harware is too expensive for many people) |
| 17:12.20 | OmegaPhil | GNU/Linux? I dont think the average person is intelligent enough to even get a machine wiht it on |
| 17:12.54 | nepugia | press the power button? |
| 17:13.09 | DusXMT | OmegaPhil: I'd say that with those criteria, they aren't intelligent enough to recognize this as a threat |
| 17:13.17 | OmegaPhil | True |
| 17:13.29 | Guest14181 | all of the above is true |
| 17:13.30 | fsmithred | back in a few minutes |
| 17:13.37 | DusXMT | Also, many people have different priorities - gaming |
| 17:13.50 | DusXMT | Or field-specific applications that only work on windows |
| 17:13.58 | Guest14181 | I'm fighting this thing internally stating in MS forums that this is a dumbass idea, and we'll lose customers |
| 17:14.24 | DusXMT | As long as there is gaming, there will be windows, because of the universal driver support |
| 17:14.47 | Guest14181 | I think the steam idea is making a larger dent than people realize |
| 17:15.22 | Guest14181 | It's hard to track the real success of linux gaming via steam |
| 17:15.49 | OmegaPhil | I'm still readin gthrough 2016 on Phronix, perma <1% :p |
| 17:16.05 | nepugia | DusXMT: lol, i tried to install a win7 on a pretty old mainboard and i couldnt get ethernet to work.. i had to get a driver frm another computer :/ (that win7 isnt installed anymore anyway) |
| 17:18.32 | DusXMT | nepugia: Yeah, but when it comes to video drivers... hmmm, I've heard promising reports from vulcan, but for the time being, while ATI at least tries to help the development of quality graphics drivers for Linux, nVidia - who's considered by many as the main force in the market - isn't really, by using their own proprietary technology (not DRI2), and therefore not helping us move forward |
| 17:19.00 | DusXMT | s/ATI/AMD/ |
| 17:19.29 | DusXMT | (shows how I'm not in the least qualified to talk about these subjects =3) |
| 17:20.09 | DPA | Well, nVidia was always evil |
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| 17:21.08 | nepugia | nvidia does not have any obligation to give us an oss driver, but they provide exactly the same as they do for windows, while i do not particularry like their tactics i am happy that i can get their hardware to work on pretty much any os i want because of this (not the case for e.g amd hardware, i have a laptop where i can e.g not use a bsd with 3D acceleration since the drivers are not yet ported) |
| 17:22.07 | DusXMT | thought oss was a standard for audio drivers :3 |
| 17:22.16 | nepugia | also, opengl games work fine for me, i domt think that new games are really the driving force, most people will probably want to play games they already own |
| 17:22.52 | nepugia | oss is short for opensource i think, and also a sound system we used to have :) |
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| 17:23.09 | golinux | This is getting a bit far from Devuan. Maybe #debianfork would be better? |
| 17:23.20 | DusXMT | indeed |
| 17:24.35 | Guest14181 | https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/05/08/020253/microsoft-patents-flagging-technology-for-repeat-offenders-of-pirated-content |
| 17:26.34 | fsmithred | Guest14181, are you doing the install now? |
| 17:26.41 | Guest14181 | in 2 mins |
| 17:26.45 | Guest14181 | had to download the iso |
| 17:26.49 | fsmithred | ok |
| 17:26.55 | fsmithred | it'll take more than 2 |
| 17:26.59 | fsmithred | but not much more |
| 17:27.17 | Guest14181 | 46s left on download, |
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| 17:30.41 | Guest14181 | ok, going down to install. brb after install. |
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| 17:44.50 | nikitis-temp | Hey fsmithred, it's nikitis |
| 17:45.01 | nikitis-temp | I have an oddproblem |
| 17:45.40 | nikitis-temp | Where it was asking me for my /boot partition, /dev/sda1 was not an option |
| 17:45.59 | fsmithred | hi |
| 17:46.03 | nikitis-temp | i had just created it in gparted, and the partition list in the background does show /dev/sda1 |
| 17:46.13 | nikitis-temp | This is Guest btw |
| 17:46.19 | fsmithred | correct. You do not want to use your esp for anything other than esp |
| 17:46.29 | fsmithred | that's not the same as /boot |
| 17:46.35 | nikitis-temp | oh really? |
| 17:46.38 | fsmithred | really |
| 17:46.45 | NewGnuGuy | esp? |
| 17:46.51 | fsmithred | efi/esp contains the bootloaders |
| 17:46.54 | nikitis-temp | Why does it have the boot and esp flags then? |
| 17:47.10 | fsmithred | because it's fat32 which needs to be marked as bootable |
| 17:47.25 | fsmithred | but /boot if you had one would hold kernel and initrd |
| 17:47.37 | fsmithred | are you encrypting the drive? |
| 17:47.42 | nikitis-temp | no |
| 17:47.51 | fsmithred | then you don't need a separate /boot partition |
| 17:47.57 | nikitis-temp | i forgot to set the flags |
| 17:48.09 | fsmithred | where's the installer? |
| 17:48.14 | fsmithred | at the summary window? |
| 17:48.19 | nikitis-temp | I normally create a /boot/efi partition |
| 17:48.29 | nikitis-temp | i just restarted it |
| 17:48.30 | tgragnato | nikitis: may I ask you if it's going to be legal in the EU ? This may be the final step to do to get a very huge fine. Is it considered ? |
| 17:49.35 | fsmithred | make the efi partition, flag it as boot,esp, and the installer will recognize it and filter it out of the choices for where to install the system |
| 17:50.35 | OmegaPhil | Ah the file hashing was just about what people uploaded to Microsoft? Lol |
| 17:50.46 | OmegaPhil | Thats pretty obvious... no privacy there... |
| 17:51.45 | nikitis-temp | Well i heard they plan to make it released in UK |
| 17:51.54 | nikitis-temp | as a test bed |
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| 17:52.27 | OmegaPhil | The Conservatives will love that |
| 17:57.19 | AntoFox | heylà |
| 17:57.26 | AntoFox | o/ |
| 17:58.15 | nikitis-temp | fsmithred: this time I flagged /dev/sda1 as boot,efi, and it detected 2 efi partitions. (It shouldn't have) I specified /dev/sda1, then it asked again for /boot partition, which I selected /dev/sda2, but I also want /dev/sda2 to be root / |
| 17:58.18 | fsmithred | nikitis-temp, the efi partition will get mounted at /boot/efi in the installation, but that gets added to fstab automatically |
| 17:58.28 | fsmithred | you're on a usb? |
| 17:58.32 | nikitis-temp | yes |
| 17:58.38 | fsmithred | I had that happen. |
| 17:59.31 | nikitis-temp | oh i see it's detecting the /boot on the usb drive |
| 17:59.32 | fsmithred | why is it asking for the boot partition? Do not select "separate boot partition" in the options window |
| 17:59.40 | nikitis-temp | oh ok |
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| 17:59.43 | nikitis-temp | let me retry |
| 18:00.05 | fsmithred | and "skip this step" when you get to the partitioner |
| 18:00.44 | fsmithred | nobody has problems like this with a non-uefi install |
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| 18:02.54 | fsmithred | you probably don't need to change any of the options |
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| 18:12.40 | nikitis-temp | fsmithred: do I keep the option "Do not install bootloader. I'll handle myself" Don't I want the install to install the bootloader for me? |
| 18:12.49 | fsmithred | yeah, keep it. |
| 18:13.08 | fsmithred | and if you change it, it won't really change anything. |
| 18:13.27 | fsmithred | it's a remnant from the non-uefi installer |
| 18:13.57 | nikitis-temp | ok, that went smoothly |
| 18:14.07 | fsmithred | is it copying files now? |
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| 18:14.50 | nikitis-temp | yes sir |
| 18:14.56 | fsmithred | cool |
| 18:15.06 | nikitis-temp | only asked for root partition this time |
| 18:15.10 | fsmithred | when that's done you'll get a window |
| 18:15.14 | fsmithred | yeah, perfect |
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| 18:15.25 | fsmithred | ...asking what to do about grub |
| 18:15.45 | nikitis-temp | I'll say, Please install it for me |
| 18:15.49 | fsmithred | since grub-efi is already installed, there should be a button that will |
| 18:15.51 | fsmithred | yes |
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| 18:16.44 | nikitis-temp | Copy files, Abort, Chroot, and continue |
| 18:16.53 | nikitis-temp | grub-efi is installed? |
| 18:16.55 | fsmithred | really? |
| 18:17.07 | fsmithred | in the uefi iso, yeah |
| 18:17.24 | fsmithred | no button to do it for you? |
| 18:17.30 | fsmithred | ok, chroot |
| 18:17.33 | nikitis-temp | nope |
| 18:17.36 | fsmithred | you'll get a terminal |
| 18:18.12 | nikitis-temp | yes |
| 18:18.16 | fsmithred | and just to be sure, when you get the chroot term |
| 18:18.18 | fsmithred | run |
| 18:18.23 | fsmithred | dpkg -l |grep grub |
| 18:18.40 | nikitis-temp | 4 packages |
| 18:18.55 | fsmithred | ii grub-efi-amd64 |
| 18:18.59 | fsmithred | not ic |
| 18:19.07 | fsmithred | ? |
| 18:19.11 | nikitis-temp | grub-pc-bin |
| 18:19.20 | fsmithred | not a problem |
| 18:19.31 | fsmithred | do you have what I wrote above? |
| 18:19.43 | nikitis-temp | no |
| 18:19.54 | fsmithred | what's it say for grub-efi-amd64? |
| 18:20.17 | nikitis-temp | dpkg -l | grep grug has no grub-efi-amd64 |
| 18:20.45 | nikitis-temp | grub* |
| 18:20.49 | fsmithred | ok, what grub packages are installed? (line starts with ii) |
| 18:21.07 | nikitis-temp | grub-common, grub-pc, grub-pc-bin, grub2-common |
| 18:21.24 | fsmithred | which iso did you download? |
| 18:21.52 | nikitis-temp | RC2-UEFI-Live.iso |
| 18:22.02 | fsmithred | ????? |
| 18:22.14 | fsmithred | ok, is it connected to network? |
| 18:22.34 | nikitis-temp | seems so yes |
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| 18:22.41 | fsmithred | ok, in chroot term: |
| 18:22.48 | fsmithred | apt-get install grub-efi-amd64 |
| 18:23.21 | nikitis-temp | ok, done |
| 18:23.38 | fsmithred | did you get a debconf dialog? |
| 18:23.46 | nikitis-temp | nope |
| 18:23.54 | fsmithred | ok |
| 18:23.55 | nikitis-temp | it just removed grub-pc and installed the new packages |
| 18:23.58 | fsmithred | ok |
| 18:24.05 | fsmithred | still in chroot, run: |
| 18:24.08 | fsmithred | grub-install |
| 18:24.14 | fsmithred | no device name is needed |
| 18:24.31 | nikitis-temp | x86_64-efi |
| 18:24.35 | nikitis-temp | no errors |
| 18:24.37 | fsmithred | yeah, yeah |
| 18:24.38 | fsmithred | cool |
| 18:24.40 | fsmithred | update-grub |
| 18:25.41 | nikitis-temp | http://devuan.ksx4system.net/devuan_jessie_rc/desktop-live/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-RC2_amd64_uefi-live.iso |
| 18:25.45 | nikitis-temp | that was the iso |
| 18:25.58 | aitor | hi |
| 18:26.07 | fsmithred | yeah, that looks like the right one |
| 18:26.16 | fsmithred | I'll boot it up and check it again. That's weird. |
| 18:26.21 | nikitis-temp | didn't detect amd64, or missing amd64 |
| 18:26.30 | fsmithred | what? |
| 18:26.43 | nikitis-temp | why did it not already have amd64 grub? |
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| 18:26.52 | fsmithred | no clue |
| 18:27.08 | nikitis-temp | close chroot? |
| 18:27.18 | fsmithred | exit |
| 18:27.27 | fsmithred | and the installer should continue |
| 18:30.01 | nikitis-temp | I'm good |
| 18:30.13 | fsmithred | cool, you mean it rebooted? |
| 18:30.18 | nikitis-temp | yeah |
| 18:30.25 | nikitis-temp | i'm at the desktop |
| 18:30.25 | fsmithred | excellent. |
| 18:30.30 | nikitis-temp | Gotta fix my mouse |
| 18:30.31 | fsmithred | I just booted the iso in vm |
| 18:30.39 | nikitis-temp | One of those R.A.T.7. Mice |
| 18:30.46 | nikitis-temp | need special xorg-conf to make it work |
| 18:31.08 | nikitis-temp | This went much smoother than my HP machine |
| 18:31.26 | fsmithred | yeah, even without the right grub in the iso |
| 18:31.31 | fsmithred | wow, I screwed up |
| 18:31.41 | nikitis-temp | Glad I could help. |
| 18:31.49 | nikitis-temp | That's why I got you involved |
| 18:32.23 | fsmithred | I'm checking the non-uefi iso now |
| 18:33.01 | nikitis-temp | The bug with my mouse is, left mouse click will press, but left mouse click won't depress when the hardware does |
| 18:33.31 | nikitis-temp | so the system thinks i'm still focused on that application holding down the left click, and I cannot click new things |
| 18:33.46 | fsmithred | yuk. |
| 18:33.54 | nikitis-temp | Yeah, newer distributions of linux fixed it |
| 18:34.02 | fsmithred | I don't know about fancy mice. Standard logitech mouse here. |
| 18:34.29 | nikitis-temp | when it detects the RAT Mice, it adds the patch automatically, but devuan is new so it doesn't, luckily it's an easy fix for one who's experienced at fixing it |
| 18:34.42 | aitor | fsmithred: i recently posted in the spanish forum of bunsenlabs |
| 18:35.05 | fsmithred | maybe it needs newer kernel? |
| 18:35.15 | fsmithred | hi aitor. What did you post? |
| 18:35.17 | nikitis-temp | yeah |
| 18:35.29 | aitor | they talk about new images compatible with UEFI |
| 18:35.30 | fsmithred | you can get 4.9 from jessie-backports |
| 18:35.31 | aitor | https://plus.google.com/111280752264422695586/posts/S6gjYnWSW4e |
| 18:35.50 | nikitis-temp | do nvidia drivers compile against 4.9 okay? |
| 18:35.55 | nikitis-temp | if so I'll do that |
| 18:36.18 | fsmithred | haven't tried that, but if you get it from nvidia, it should work. |
| 18:36.46 | fsmithred | you'll need to install build-essential, linux-headers-<version> and maybe a different version of gcc |
| 18:37.19 | nikitis-temp | yeah |
| 18:37.23 | nikitis-temp | i've done it a million times |
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| 18:37.37 | nikitis-temp | I tried on my HP laptop with amd drivers and it didn't work on such a high kernel |
| 18:37.43 | nikitis-temp | learned AMD doesn't support it |
| 18:37.48 | fsmithred | great |
| 18:38.35 | fsmithred | I have no experience with the amd drivers |
| 18:39.56 | nikitis-temp | Don't use it if you can on linux |
| 18:40.13 | aitor | i'm still waiting for an answer about the idea of the socket for the connection with the backend of simple-netaid |
| 18:40.18 | nikitis-temp | the open source driver isn't too terribl |
| 18:40.42 | fsmithred | yeah, I've had good luck with that. |
| 18:40.52 | aitor | where is the danger waiting for a string (which will be converted to an integer) from a port? |
| 18:41.01 | greenjeans | hey all |
| 18:41.07 | fsmithred | hi greenjeans |
| 18:41.12 | aitor | hi |
| 18:41.43 | fsmithred | aitor, do you know what installer they use in the Deuterium iso? |
| 18:41.55 | greenjeans | were ya'll talking about amd video drivers? |
| 18:42.14 | fsmithred | they were mentioned |
| 18:42.15 | aitor | as parazyd would say: nope |
| 18:42.22 | fsmithred | lol |
| 18:42.28 | fsmithred | I would say that, too. |
| 18:42.39 | aitor | yeah, i think so |
| 18:42.41 | fsmithred | and you know that's just one syllable, right? |
| 18:43.03 | aitor | syllable? |
| 18:43.17 | fsmithred | yeah, nope rhymes with rope |
| 18:43.34 | fsmithred | or dope |
| 18:43.43 | greenjeans | or hope |
| 18:43.49 | fsmithred | yeah, thanks |
| 18:45.04 | golinux | cope, soap |
| 18:45.25 | greenjeans | taupe |
| 18:45.32 | aitor | syllable means sÃlaba, in spanish |
| 18:45.46 | fsmithred | cool |
| 18:47.00 | fsmithred | brb |
| 18:47.41 | aitor | fsmithred: Deuterium is the nest iso og bunsenlabs |
| 18:48.02 | aitor | nitrogen, and deuterium... |
| 18:48.54 | nikitis-temp | interesting, you guys added a commented out jessie-backports to sources.list |
| 18:49.14 | aitor | oh, he's gone |
| 18:49.59 | aitor | fsmithred's slippery as the swallows :) |
| 18:50.17 | fsmithred | back |
| 18:50.18 | nepugia | was some problem with priorities afaik, schould be ok now though |
| 18:50.27 | fsmithred | nikitis-temp, thanks for testing |
| 18:50.29 | aitor | bye :) |
| 18:50.33 | fsmithred | bye aitor |
| 18:50.34 | nikitis-temp | Any time |
| 18:50.39 | aitor | :) |
| 18:50.52 | fsmithred | I just checked the iso I made this morning, and it's good |
| 18:51.02 | nikitis-temp | ok |
| 18:51.10 | nikitis-temp | just need to get them up to the mirrors |
| 18:51.26 | fsmithred | and eventually, there will only be one amd64 iso for both bios and uefi |
| 18:51.49 | nikitis-temp | that will simplify things |
| 18:51.49 | fsmithred | but I need to change the way the installer works. It expects that grub is installed already. |
| 18:51.52 | fsmithred | yeah |
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| 19:08.34 | nikitis-temp | What's the kill command for xfce to kill the x server |
| 19:08.54 | nikitis-temp | (compiling nvidia drivers) |
| 19:09.51 | nepugia | how'd you get the source |
| 19:10.04 | nikitis-temp | nvidia.com |
| 19:10.07 | nikitis-temp | .run file |
| 19:10.16 | nikitis-temp | ah lightdm |
| 19:10.33 | nepugia | isnt that a binary only release? |
| 19:10.48 | nikitis-temp | Well compiling against your kernel |
| 19:12.01 | fsmithred | nikitis-temp, in devuan xfce, slim is the display manager |
| 19:12.11 | fsmithred | service slim stop|start|restart |
| 19:12.17 | nikitis-temp | not getting any additional TTY's |
| 19:13.01 | fsmithred | if you killed the dm, alt-F1-F6 should work |
| 19:13.05 | golinux | Maybe let sgfxi do it for you? http://smxi.org/ |
| 19:13.18 | nikitis-temp | ctrl+alt+F1 doesn't bring me to a tty |
| 19:13.27 | nikitis-temp | well it goes black, but no prompts |
| 19:13.28 | fsmithred | try F2 |
| 19:13.33 | fsmithred | sometimes F1 doesn't work |
| 19:13.34 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 19:13.39 | nikitis-temp | nope |
| 19:13.42 | nikitis-temp | none of them work |
| 19:13.46 | fsmithred | oh |
| 19:13.54 | fsmithred | reboot with 'nomodest' on the linux line |
| 19:13.55 | nikitis-temp | back to f7 works to slim |
| 19:13.59 | nikitis-temp | ok |
| 19:14.05 | fsmithred | although that may change after you install nvidia driver |
| 19:14.32 | fsmithred | I've had it both ways. Used to need nomodeset with nvidia driver until I got a newer card. |
| 19:15.05 | nikitis-temp | bingo |
| 19:15.10 | nikitis-temp | i've only needed that with amd |
| 19:18.20 | nikitis-temp | hrm, didn't detect multiarch |
| 19:18.31 | nikitis-temp | i did dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 19:18.37 | nikitis-temp | something else I need? |
| 19:20.28 | fsmithred | not sure |
| 19:20.35 | fsmithred | maybe a package? |
| 19:21.28 | fsmithred | there's a package called 'multiarch-support' |
| 19:21.34 | fsmithred | make sure it's installed |
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| 19:27.17 | nikitis-temp | still can't find the 32-bit destination for the libraries |
| 19:27.38 | nikitis-temp | apt-get update did pull down for i386 packages |
| 19:28.22 | fsmithred | I don't recall ever doing anything about 32-bit libraries |
| 19:32.52 | fsmithred | need to reboot. Back in a few minutes. |
| 19:33.20 | nikitis-temp | Anyone have a guide to do proper multiarch enabling on amd64 devuan? |
| 19:33.37 | fsmithred | check debian wiki |
| 19:43.28 | nepugia | dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 19:43.56 | nepugia | then install any i386 packages you would like (after an apt update(/apt-get)) |
| 19:44.04 | nikitis-temp | i did that |
| 19:44.16 | nikitis-temp | nvidia still cannot detect i386 |
| 19:44.34 | nepugia | did you install nvidia before the multiarch activation? |
| 19:44.53 | KatolaZ | nikitis-temp: ? |
| 19:45.04 | KatolaZ | what do you mean by "proper multiarch enabling"? |
| 19:45.04 | nepugia | enabling does not meen that any 32bit libs are installed, you still need to instruct apt to install what you want |
| 19:45.07 | nikitis-temp | first time |
| 19:45.28 | nikitis-temp | but i ran it again after |
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| 19:46.19 | nepugia | why do you need 32 libs? |
| 19:46.31 | nikitis-temp | Steam games use 32-bit nvidia drivers |
| 19:47.20 | nepugia | i remember needing to install a specific package for that some nvidia library with the 32 bit version |
| 19:47.40 | nikitis-temp | i tried it a 3rd time and seemed to work |
| 19:49.15 | nepugia | nvidia drivers are always a pain for me :p, but once it works it seems to stay that way |
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| 19:54.52 | nikitis-temp | So it was definately my fault doing it out of order |
| 19:54.57 | nikitis-temp | It's working great now |
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| 19:55.29 | nikitis-temp | So got the OS installed, kernel updated to 4.9, Mouse bugfix installed, and nvidia drivers updated. I'm good to go ;) |
| 19:56.15 | fsmithred | great |
| 19:58.13 | nikitis-temp | fsmithred: i plan to do another laptop uefi install in a week or so |
| 19:58.20 | nikitis-temp | A Dell |
| 19:58.29 | fsmithred | there will be a new uefi iso up before then |
| 19:58.41 | nikitis-temp | ok, i'll wait for it |
| 19:58.50 | nikitis-temp | if I run into problems I can get you |
| 19:59.02 | fsmithred | maybe very soon. I've got one ready, but it doesn't have RC in the name |
| 19:59.18 | fsmithred | and no devs are around to talk to about that right now. |
| 20:00.12 | fsmithred | nikitis-temp, if you install grub-efi in the live environment before running the installer |
| 20:00.23 | fsmithred | just tell it not to install the bootloader when/if it asks |
| 20:00.39 | fsmithred | then run the installer, and it will install the bootloader |
| 20:00.54 | fsmithred | or you can do the chroot window again |
| 20:01.11 | nikitis-temp | So do not run grub-efi |
| 20:01.15 | fsmithred | what am I atalking about? |
| 20:01.23 | fsmithred | you shouldn't need to do that with new iso |
| 20:01.43 | nikitis-temp | will it auto install grub-efi-amd64? |
| 20:01.47 | fsmithred | installer should have a button for Install Bootloader |
| 20:01.55 | nikitis-temp | oh great |
| 20:01.58 | fsmithred | in that same window that had Copy files and Chroot |
| 20:02.25 | nikitis-temp | yup |
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| 20:26.19 | fsmithred | ok, my turn to do uefi install |
| 20:30.19 | nikitis-temp | Good Luck |
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| 20:33.09 | fsmithred | it's working |
| 20:33.21 | fsmithred | and I already know that grub-efi is installed |
| 20:34.48 | fsmithred | first button says 'Install bootloader'. That should be clear enough. |
| 20:35.40 | Guest1345 | and how can i get it during installing from netist? |
| 20:35.58 | fsmithred | get what? |
| 20:36.09 | Guest1345 | grub-efi |
| 20:36.28 | fsmithred | regular installer iso or live iso? |
| 20:36.43 | Guest1345 | netinstall |
| 20:36.45 | fsmithred | does file name have netinstall in it? |
| 20:36.46 | fsmithred | yes |
| 20:36.58 | fsmithred | boot it on uefi hardware and it will install the correct grub |
| 20:37.13 | Guest1345 | no, it is not |
| 20:37.25 | fsmithred | please explain in more detail |
| 20:38.09 | fsmithred | is bios set to legacy? |
| 20:41.35 | Guest1345 | i tried install from netinstall, but during installation did not have option to install signed kernel |
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| 20:44.15 | Guest1345 | ubuntu installation work fine "out of box", i get signed kernel automaticaly then i choose efi-option |
| 20:45.21 | fsmithred | what does 'signed kernel' mean? I thought all the packages were signed. |
| 20:45.23 | Guest1345 | there is no legacy mod on laptop |
| 20:45.41 | fsmithred | ouch |
| 20:45.43 | Guest1345 | just uefi with secureboot |
| 20:45.54 | fsmithred | can you turn off secureboot? |
| 20:46.15 | Guest1345 | hm |
| 20:46.27 | fsmithred | I believe that's required |
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| 20:50.35 | Guest1345 | i don't remember and i can't try now, because i have not laptop right now, but i remember any options i can switch on makes only one possability - install signed kernel |
| 20:52.37 | Guest1345 | laptop doesn't give me install any unsigned kernel |
| 20:55.08 | Guest1345 | if installation iso with devuan will include any signed kernel and makes possible to install it during process it will be fine |
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| 20:55.19 | aitor | hi |
| 20:56.23 | fsmithred | I think ubuntu and fedora have signed kernels. Pretty sure that means signed by microsoft. |
| 20:56.36 | Guest1345 | maybe |
| 20:56.42 | fsmithred | not sure about debian. There's a way to self-sign. |
| 20:56.57 | fsmithred | I don't know details. Haven't tried it. |
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| 20:57.36 | Guest1345 | i don't know who sign them kernels |
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| 21:00.46 | Guest1345 | situation is that ubuntu has the ability to install signed kernels, devuan does not give me that |
| 21:02.04 | fsmithred | correct |
| 21:03.16 | Guest1345 | and it is sad because i have two pc desktop with devuan and one old laptop, but the new one laptop has ubuntu on it just because... |
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| 21:05.34 | aitor | i'm downloading figos0.9.iso |
| 21:05.36 | aitor | lol |
| 21:06.44 | Guest1345 | i hope someday devuan will also give me opportunity to do this |
| 21:07.18 | aitor | where is our dear figldev? |
| 21:08.04 | fsmithred | Guest1345, it won't be in debian stretch, either: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/01/debian_stretch_omits_secure_boot/ |
| 21:09.43 | golinux | aitor: pm |
| 21:09.51 | aitor | :) |
| 21:10.24 | golinux | You know what pm means on irc? |
| 21:10.53 | Xenguy | Do tell |
| 21:11.20 | golinux | same as a query whoever |
| 21:11.21 | Xenguy | personal message, I assume |
| 21:11.29 | golinux | Yeah, |
| 21:11.30 | Xenguy | yeah |
| 21:11.38 | golinux | Wake up aitor! |
| 21:11.40 | aitor | pm post meridian |
| 21:11.49 | Xenguy | :) |
| 21:12.01 | golinux | groans |
| 21:12.26 | golinux | aitor doesn't want to talk to me. |
| 21:13.15 | nepugia | why do you need a signed kernel? |
| 21:13.50 | Xenguy | control |
| 21:14.28 | aitor | golinux: nope |
| 21:14.29 | Guest1345 | fsmithred: i'd rather wait until devuan implements this function and i will use ubuntu 14.04 without systemd until the end of it's life |
| 21:14.49 | aitor | you rock |
| 21:15.00 | nepugia | how does signing a kernel give you any control? the kernel can do the same stuff it did before, besides for secure boot the bootloader must be signed which in standard installs is not the kernel |
| 21:15.11 | fsmithred | no way to predict what devuan will do about secure boot. In general, devuan is sticking close to what debian does. |
| 21:15.44 | Xenguy | control, as in gatekeeper |
| 21:16.27 | Xenguy | fsmithred: Except for a little thing called systemd ? 8-D |
| 21:16.40 | fsmithred | well, yeah. |
| 21:16.43 | fsmithred | lol |
| 21:16.54 | Xenguy | If Debian screwed that one up so bad, they could jump the shark again, who knows? |
| 21:16.56 | fsmithred | 99% of our packages are unchanged |
| 21:17.08 | fsmithred | no doubt about that |
| 21:17.23 | fsmithred | seems to be part of a larger trend |
| 21:17.24 | Xenguy | But good that Devuan's innovation is scaling, thus far |
| 21:17.31 | nepugia | why? i have never seen why linux tries so hard to seem secure, for most installs having a keyboard is good enough to take over the system, om bsd single user per default gives you a root shell, but for linux it asks for the pw, if i just change the bootline in grub i can avoid that very easily |
| 21:18.18 | fsmithred | init=/bin/bash to avoid the password |
| 21:18.22 | nepugia | and grub + non ecrypted seems to be the standard install, also for ubilunto |
| 21:18.44 | Guest1345 | nepugia: the question is not about any control, it is about possability to install devuan on laptop with uefi where is no any chanse to install any kernel exept signed-kernel |
| 21:20.02 | Xenguy | keep it technical, I get it |
| 21:20.05 | nepugia | Guest1345: does your hardware not support disabling secure boot? i think the linux foundation has a signed loader that can be used, though the install might be more complex |
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| 21:22.39 | Guest1345 | and yes, vendors is bad guys, who cares only about money, but not my freedom, and i am stupid, but there is no any chanse for me in this situation |
| 21:23.35 | Guest1345 | nepugia: i wrote about this already |
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| 21:25.08 | aitor | golinux, i'm there |
| 21:26.05 | Guest1345 | thanx to all, best regards |
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| 21:27.45 | Xenguy | shrugs... |
| 21:27.59 | nepugia | i think this lage might be relevant https://blog.hansenpartnership.com/linux-foundation-secure-boot-system-released/ |
| 21:27.59 | nepugia | Guest1345 about the bootloader? i only see you mentioning ubuntu's install, but a signed kernel is not required unelss you wanr an efistub installation |
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| 21:40.17 | nikitis-temp | nepugia: i can't install the nvidia drivers again |
| 21:40.22 | nikitis-temp | tried on 2nd machine |
| 21:40.30 | nikitis-temp | 32-bit libraries |
| 21:40.36 | nikitis-temp | I can't narrow down why it does that |
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| 21:42.04 | nepugia | any errors? |
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| 21:43.24 | nikitis-temp | just the same nvidia cannot find 32-bit libraries |
| 21:43.40 | nikitis-temp | I installed multiarch-support first this time, and did a dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 21:44.00 | nepugia | and apt-get update? |
| 21:44.00 | nikitis-temp | but after running nvidia drivers again it cannot see it |
| 21:44.02 | nikitis-temp | yes |
| 21:44.06 | nikitis-temp | i did |
| 21:44.48 | nepugia | did you install any 32 libs on the othernpc but not here? |
| 21:45.13 | golinux | Maybe let sgfxi do it for you? http://smxi.org/ |
| 21:45.31 | golinux | The nvidia install that is. |
| 21:45.33 | nikitis-temp | wth |
| 21:45.41 | nikitis-temp | i ran it a 3rd time and it worked |
| 21:45.44 | nikitis-temp | i did nothing else |
| 21:45.48 | nikitis-temp | same as before |
| 21:45.55 | nikitis-temp | this makes no sense |
| 21:46.06 | golinux | Whew! Good for you!! |
| 21:46.22 | golinux | Computer soften make no sense. |
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| 21:47.36 | nepugia | this might work, well i remember steam needing libs, i fixed it with this |
| 21:47.36 | nepugia | "apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 libgl1-mesa-glx:i386" |
| 21:47.57 | nepugia | no gurantees :3, i am not sure why i had to install those |
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| 21:56.48 | golinux | AntoFox: Thank you! |
| 21:58.40 | AntoFox | golinux: it was a pleasure :) |
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| 22:18.04 | golinux | AntoFox: Over on discourse I also mentioned upower but don't know the details of Mate so not much help.. |
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| 22:49.56 | fsmithred | hey bairdy |
| 22:50.50 | bairdy | fsmithred: that Dell netbook is now working surprisingly well.. |
| 22:52.08 | fsmithred | cool |
| 22:52.22 | fsmithred | did you need to install on uefi? I saw your tweet. |
| 22:53.07 | golinux | You follow twitter? |
| 22:53.17 | fsmithred | there's no uefi installer for the cli. There is one for gui. But there's a way to do it with the cli installer if you have network connection. |
| 22:53.34 | fsmithred | hell no, but he provided a link a couple days ago |
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| 22:54.56 | fsmithred | if you're accustomed to using gnome or kde, switching to xfce or a plain window manager will boost your performance a lot. |
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