| 00:00.01 | Centurion-Dan2 | Your running gnome3 as root?? |
| 00:00.04 | Centurion-Dan2 | Why? |
| 00:00.05 | Juesto | xfce4 |
| 00:00.14 | Juesto | gnome is broken in devuan also |
| 00:00.19 | Juesto | it doesnt install |
| 00:00.20 | Centurion-Dan2 | Juesto: as root?? |
| 00:00.27 | Juesto | whats the problem with it |
| 00:00.41 | Juesto | ... |
| 00:00.44 | Centurion-Dan2 | Yeah, gnome needs more work and not many people care for it in devuan ... |
| 00:01.06 | Juesto | i dont like gnome shell anyway |
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| 00:01.34 | aitor | hi |
| 00:02.19 | Centurion-Dan2 | the problem with a desktop as root is that it violates the separation of privileges and exposes you to risks that any exploited vector will be much worse. |
| 00:02.38 | Centurion-Dan2 | It's not done and not necessary for desktop use ever. |
| 00:03.01 | Juesto | please lets leave that aside... |
| 00:03.07 | Centurion-Dan2 | It's your choice, but it's a choice that is begging for much pain. |
| 00:03.18 | Juesto | i do not mind, really |
| 00:03.27 | Juesto | i am talking about general system stuff |
| 00:03.38 | Juesto | not specifically complaining about rooted desktop |
| 00:05.18 | Xenguy | .oO( From what I read recently about gnome, it could be removed altogether and I don't believe I'd miss it ) |
| 00:05.48 | Centurion-Dan2 | That's fine but by running it that way when things break (like pulseaudio) you are probably getting that breakage as a direct result of that choice, which is not the regular configuration and when you ask for help you will likely get yelled at or laughed at, and not get much help. |
| 00:06.10 | Xenguy | And it sounded like Gnome is pwned by RH anyway (disclaimer: I may be entirely wrong about that statement) |
| 00:06.42 | Juesto | i am aware it's not a standard configuration and something that i shouldnt be using |
| 00:07.10 | Centurion-Dan2 | there are many applications that check for root and rightly refuse to start because the developer in their wisdom decided that the risk of exploitation is too great to support such a configuration. |
| 00:07.22 | Juesto | i dont see why i shouldnt be helped with a workaround that is not use a non-root desktop |
| 00:07.38 | Centurion-Dan2 | I suspect that pulseaudio rightly does this. |
| 00:07.42 | Juesto | i dont need a lecture about the risks of rooted desktop. |
| 00:07.49 | Juesto | yes i know, i can always override that with --system lol |
| 00:07.56 | Juesto | ;/ |
| 00:08.04 | AntoFox | gnome3 on devuan have need a lot of work, in particular 4 packages |
| 00:08.18 | AntoFox | **on devuan jessie |
| 00:08.47 | Centurion-Dan2 | actually running pulse with --system is for a different usage pattern again and is probably not intended to solve your problem. |
| 00:09.33 | AntoFox | guys it's late for me, I'm going to sleep, see you in a few hours |
| 00:09.34 | Centurion-Dan2 | You probably would have to patch pulseaudio's source code and rebuild it to solve your particular issue here. |
| 00:10.08 | Xenguy | AntoFox: In all seriousness, if the raison d'etre of Devuan is to avoid systemd, and if Gnome3 has helped create systemd dependencies, why would Devuan want to support Gnome at all? |
| 00:10.19 | Xenguy | OK, another time AntoFox |
| 00:11.11 | Juesto | already removed pulseaudio anyway |
| 00:11.41 | Juesto | which packages/apps use the adwaita ui ? |
| 00:12.00 | aitor | Xenguy: as far as i know, gnome bought code to a project focused to smartphones |
| 00:12.56 | Centurion_Dan | aitor: wouldn't that make them dumb phones?? :-P |
| 00:13.12 | AntoFox | Xenguy: I don't konw if gnome has helped to create systemd but if freebsd team and gentoo have removed it also we can remove it |
| 00:13.23 | Xenguy | aitor: I'm not sure I follow your line of reasoning |
| 00:13.54 | Xenguy | AntoFox: Really, has freebsd and gentoo removed Gnome? |
| 00:14.43 | AntoFox | **removed systemd |
| 00:14.45 | aitor | Xenguy: i read it in internet, but i'm not preaty sure |
| 00:15.07 | Xenguy | OK, I'll take that as 'fake news' ;) |
| 00:15.11 | aitor | *pretty |
| 00:15.17 | golinux | If you read it on the internet it MUST be true |
| 00:15.26 | Juesto | no golinux |
| 00:15.28 | golinux | :rollseyes: |
| 00:16.17 | Juesto | Centurion_Dan: there is also a way to make pulseaudio strictly system-wide too :) |
| 00:16.59 | Xenguy | Well in any case, in my mind Gnome3 is effectively gone, for me; I would never use it, or support it |
| 00:17.11 | Xenguy | The closest I get to Gnome these days is MATE |
| 00:19.19 | Xenguy | To each their own, pick yer poison ;) |
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| 00:26.20 | Centurion-Dan2 | Xenguy: as far as I am aware that gnome can currently still be built for non-systemd systems ie, other unices, but that status is not guaranteed going forward. |
| 00:29.24 | aitor | late for me, bye :) |
| 00:29.34 | Xenguy | o/ |
| 00:29.46 | Xenguy | Centurion-Dan2: Interesting to know |
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| 00:31.34 | Xenguy | I may be misinformed then, as I was under the impression that Gnome was a big part of the systemd dependency and entanglement. It's sometimes hard to keep up with all the changes that are going on, so to be clear, I am no expert on these matters. |
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| 00:34.49 | Weeezy | Xenguy, my recent experience with installing devuan, Gnome does not install because of dependencies on systemd. |
| 00:35.05 | Xenguy | Weeezy: Gnome3 I assume then? |
| 00:35.34 | Weeezy | whatever is in the repo. I assume it's 3 |
| 00:35.47 | Weeezy | gnome and cinnamon both |
| 00:35.49 | Xenguy | I suppose Gnome is Gnome3 at this point |
| 00:36.23 | Weeezy | likely. |
| 00:36.28 | Xenguy | OK, and cinnamon is a kind of Gnome2 interface that relies on gnomeshell IIRC |
| 00:36.41 | Xenguy | (I've never tried cinnamon |
| 00:36.42 | Xenguy | ) |
| 00:36.45 | Weeezy | ye, continuation of the gnome 2 project. |
| 00:36.57 | Weeezy | I actually like it best |
| 00:37.14 | Juesto | Weeezy: gnome doesnt just not install because of systemd |
| 00:37.22 | Juesto | theres some version inconsistences iirc |
| 00:38.17 | Weeezy | I know that it continually loops back in the install when you select it, fsmithred told me it was a dependency on systemd |
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| 00:39.36 | Weeezy | anyway, I hope cinnamon becomes available soon. |
| 00:39.48 | Juesto | it is... afaik |
| 00:40.27 | Juesto | strange, X core cursors are awkwardly big |
| 00:44.09 | Weeezy | mate installs well, and xfce also. I'm not sure about others. |
| 00:46.53 | Xenguy | MATE seems very similar to my experiences back in the day with Gnome2, so I'm quite happy with that DE, especially since it works :) |
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| 00:47.37 | Xenguy | I've also tried XFCE and LXDE, and thought they were sufficient DE also |
| 00:48.03 | Xenguy | Someday I would like to try a tiling WM (i3 seems popular these days) |
| 00:51.00 | underd0g | why would anyone want gnome3 on devuan ? |
| 00:51.56 | Xenguy | Pretty much my feeling |
| 00:52.53 | underd0g | gnome, pulseaudio and systemd are all the same mess |
| 00:52.59 | underd0g | red hat mess |
| 00:53.35 | underd0g | anyone remember SElinux? |
| 00:54.07 | underd0g | that was when I went back to debian-based distros |
| 00:55.18 | underd0g | never looked back . sometimes I get to work on gnome in kali , and it's always a pain in the arse |
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| 01:10.32 | Juesto | should i keep pulseaudio or not?\ |
| 01:10.45 | Juesto | should i configure it to work system-wide instead of a per-use basis? |
| 01:10.52 | furrywolf | kill it with fire. |
| 01:11.27 | Juesto | ... |
| 01:11.37 | Juesto | i am a netural user |
| 01:11.42 | Juesto | neutral* |
| 01:11.50 | Juesto | i just dont mind using whatever software |
| 01:27.31 | golinux | tries not to take the bait |
| 01:27.54 | underd0g | lol |
| 01:38.40 | gci_admin | golinux, it appears you succeeded. ;) |
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| 01:40.13 | golinux | I do have self control (though I would love to slap this fellow upside the head) |
| 01:40.33 | golinux | I need a break. |
| 01:41.07 | pydsigner | Juesto: configuring it to work system-wide just makes things worse |
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| 01:45.49 | Juesto | what do i do then? |
| 01:46.23 | Juesto | i need PA for maemo, i am trying to get it working on debian... |
| 01:46.33 | Juesto | im stuck in installing the packages anyway |
| 01:46.40 | Juesto | not really because of a pulseaudio dependency |
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| 02:37.18 | Digitteknohippie | http://fossforce.com/2017/01/best-linux-distro-final-round-voting/ !!! what are you all doing standing around not voting and telling all your other devuan friends to vote too??! |
| 02:38.00 | MinceR | i saw that post advertised on that site, but there were no links to it |
| 02:38.43 | MinceR | only 2 votes for Devuan :( |
| 02:39.11 | MinceR | though i wonder what is crap such as arch, debian and fedora doing on a list of GNU/Linux distros |
| 02:52.02 | Xenguy | just voted... |
| 02:53.45 | NewGnuGuy | Best linux distro?... Tizen. |
| 02:53.46 | NewGnuGuy | ducks |
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| 02:54.32 | Centurion_Dan | NewGnuGuy: nobody has complaints about it becuase nobody uses it?? |
| 02:54.46 | MinceR | lol |
| 02:54.53 | MinceR | afaik tizen isn't gnu/linux either |
| 02:55.22 | NewGnuGuy | Iirc it's linux but not gnu |
| 02:55.31 | pydsigner | Wow, Manjaro has gained a lot of popularity |
| 02:55.36 | pydsigner | At least so far in the poll |
| 02:55.45 | MinceR | exactly |
| 02:56.07 | pydsigner | I'm pretty sure PCLinuxOS is disproportionately represented right now |
| 02:58.43 | MinceR | also, somehow BunsenLabs gets a longer bar with 0 votes |
| 02:58.45 | MinceR | :> |
| 02:59.19 | NewGnuGuy | MinceR: I was wondering about that... |
| 02:59.49 | MinceR | i guess 0 has special meaning or simply gets ignored when specified as the size |
| 03:06.36 | Juesto | how i can tune apt? |
| 03:06.48 | Juesto | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.24 | AlexLikeRock | im GNU NewGnuGuy |
| 03:34.25 | AlexLikeRock | what about ? |
| 03:38.15 | golinux | MinceR: Up to seven votes now! |
| 03:39.06 | MinceR | :) |
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| 04:48.41 | NewGnuGuy | AlexLikeRock: ?? |
| 04:48.48 | AlexLikeRock | hi |
| 04:48.57 | NewGnuGuy | sup |
| 04:49.04 | AlexLikeRock | sup bro!!! |
| 04:49.21 | AlexLikeRock | if you talk spanish go to #devuan-mx |
| 04:50.48 | NewGnuGuy | no hablo español |
| 04:51.52 | AlexLikeRock | lol |
| 04:52.19 | AlexLikeRock | oh |
| 04:53.13 | AlexLikeRock | you say " Iirc it's linux but not gnu " |
| 04:53.21 | AlexLikeRock | i andwer to you : WE ARE GNU |
| 04:53.34 | AlexLikeRock | im GNU ! |
| 04:53.38 | AlexLikeRock | GNU RULEZ |
| 04:53.44 | NewGnuGuy | Read one message higher. |
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| 04:53.58 | AlexLikeRock | im a Crazy GNU |
| 04:54.39 | NewGnuGuy | Pleased to meet gnu |
| 04:54.48 | pydsigner | groans |
| 04:55.40 | MinceR | and a happy gnu year |
| 04:55.47 | AlexLikeRock | yeah ! |
| 04:55.54 | AlexLikeRock | 30 years !!!! |
| 04:55.58 | AlexLikeRock | or 31 ? |
| 04:56.01 | AlexLikeRock | im lose :-S |
| 04:56.03 | AlexLikeRock | hahahah |
| 04:56.15 | AlexLikeRock | i read 30 at my e-mail |
| 04:56.19 | AlexLikeRock | :-D |
| 04:56.54 | AlexLikeRock | .... |
| 04:57.20 | NewGnuGuy | wee fish ewe a mare egrets moose panda hippo gnu deer |
| 04:57.28 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.29 | AlexLikeRock | lol |
| 04:58.24 | AlexLikeRock | distro ; elementary first place !!! |
| 04:58.32 | AlexLikeRock | LAMFAO !!!!! |
| 04:58.56 | golinux | You might want to take this to #debianfork. |
| 04:59.02 | AlexLikeRock | if you go to distrowhatch, you found Linux mint,Debian, Ubuntu at firs place ! |
| 04:59.17 | AlexLikeRock | hahahahaha |
| 04:59.20 | golinux | Please? |
| 04:59.31 | furrywolf | been drinking? |
| 04:59.44 | golinux | That's the exqact thought that I had. |
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| 05:05.17 | AlexLikeRock | no im not drinking |
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| 07:12.48 | joostvb | AlexLikeRock: wow, you've found a cheap trick then, to get that happy :) |
| 07:21.01 | AlexLikeRock | wath its "that" ? |
| 07:21.11 | AlexLikeRock | you lose your mine ? |
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| 07:48.20 | Juesto | Welp |
| 07:48.30 | Juesto | apparently having upstart causes init 1 to stop working |
| 07:48.49 | Juesto | init runlevel 1 because it's unable to communicate with upstart |
| 07:48.51 | Juesto | fix? |
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| 08:10.12 | aitor | now devuan and gentoo are on a par in foosforce |
| 08:15.23 | aitor | *fossforce |
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| 09:15.14 | aitor | AlexLikeRock: i opened a new irc channel |
| 09:15.43 | aitor | #debianfork-mx for all the offtopics in spanish |
| 09:16.13 | Hestben | aitor: is the mx for Mexico? |
| 09:18.20 | aitor | yes, for a Mexico without walls :) |
| 09:19.30 | Hestben | Oh, yeah. If I were Mexico, I would pay for the wall if it kept Trump away |
| 09:19.58 | aitor | lol ! |
| 09:20.37 | aitor | i would donate many bitcoins for the wall in such case |
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| 11:35.37 | AntoFox | o/ |
| 11:40.53 | buZz | whats a 'debianfork' ? |
| 11:40.56 | buZz | that isnt devuan |
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| 11:43.59 | Juesto | buZz: see /topic #debianfork |
| 11:44.46 | Juesto | you might need to do /quote topic #debianfork |
| 11:44.53 | Juesto | depending on your client |
| 11:45.13 | buZz | oh, it -is- devuan? |
| 11:45.23 | buZz | confused :) |
| 11:48.00 | enyc | =) |
| 11:48.37 | Juesto | buZz: devuan is one of many debian without systemd... apparently |
| 11:49.31 | buZz | hi Juesto :) |
| 11:49.42 | Juesto | ... :| |
| 11:49.43 | buZz | Juesto: did you realize your project is kinda holy grail? |
| 11:49.58 | buZz | Juesto: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1520074#post1520074 |
| 11:50.00 | Juesto | buZz: what project? |
| 11:50.11 | Juesto | oh. my. god |
| 11:50.14 | buZz | isnt it you, who is trying to get maemo on devuan? |
| 11:50.27 | Juesto | im not the first |
| 11:50.30 | Juesto | but yeah, currently |
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| 11:51.02 | buZz | holy grail stuff, really :) |
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| 11:51.21 | Juesto | hehehe |
| 11:51.49 | rann | hi all, anyone doing preseed installs with devuan? I'm looking for valid tasksel names, they seem to be subtly different |
| 11:52.22 | Juesto | yeah so? |
| 11:52.36 | rann | (and an example known-working devuan preseed cfg would be much awesome) |
| 11:53.20 | Juesto | buZz: wrong channel, through, i dont mind anyway.... and thanks for the official thread link. lol i was just surprised... yeah i guess i am in progress of a great contribution |
| 11:54.42 | buZz | Juesto: i'll remain your cheerleader forever |
| 11:54.47 | buZz | ;) |
| 11:55.41 | Juesto | lol |
| 11:56.18 | Juesto | okay... |
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| 12:28.02 | buZz | :) |
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| 14:52.25 | clemens3 | on irssi because also on dbus hiatus and xchat seems to depend on it... is there also ongoing plans to reduce dbus dependence, or is only systemd on the black list? |
| 14:53.48 | clemens3 | or else maybe need to learn some configure make moves and stock up on old software sources : ). |
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| 20:54.26 | underd0g | great |
| 20:54.54 | underd0g | I was just installing from beta 2 , default settings , just clicking next |
| 20:55.11 | underd0g | and it went downloading packages from repo |
| 20:55.27 | underd0g | and then it asks me for debian install cd |
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| 21:01.45 | Centurion_Dan | underd0g: can you give me a screenshot or dump of /var/log/syslog of what your seeing? |
| 21:03.29 | underd0g | I've restarted it |
| 21:03.58 | underd0g | only thing that could cause this is choing auto mirror instead of croatina one |
| 21:04.07 | underd0g | *chosing |
| 21:04.25 | Centurion_Dan | underd0g: shouldn't make any difference... |
| 21:04.59 | underd0g | well I'm doing it again , will take screenshot if it happens |
| 21:05.15 | underd0g | btw, I'm installing to a usb drive from virtualbox |
| 21:05.25 | underd0g | so it could take some time |
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| 21:51.02 | crhylove | How do I just install Devuan from the DVD without any internet connection? |
| 21:51.14 | crhylove | Do I just have to wait for the installer to time out, or... ? |
| 21:51.30 | crhylove | Because the repos keep getting throttled by the dairy across the river. |
| 21:51.59 | NewGnuGuy | Say what? |
| 21:52.39 | crhylove | I get my internet from a wifi hop across a river to a dairy. They have some kind of funky queueing going on. |
| 21:53.10 | crhylove | Basically I can't install Devuan over the internet, hoping to just do it with the DVD, then run updates through a TOR proxy or something. |
| 21:54.33 | NewGnuGuy | What happens if you disconnect from the network and then boot to the install dvd? |
| 21:55.07 | crhylove | That's what I'm doing. |
| 21:55.18 | crhylove | It just keeps sending me back to the "Select Archive" menu. |
| 21:55.34 | crhylove | Bad archive mirror error. |
| 21:55.50 | NewGnuGuy | hmm |
| 21:56.39 | crhylove | I selected "Go Back" and bypassed it for now. Now it's timing out on the "Getting time from network time server". Will see.... |
| 21:57.07 | crhylove | partman finished... |
| 21:57.23 | crhylove | Debootsrap Error... |
| 21:57.46 | crhylove | Failed to determine the codename for this release. |
| 21:58.51 | crhylove | Trying "Automated Install" now... |
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| 22:04.14 | crhylove | Still had to manually setup network. |
| 22:04.24 | crhylove | Still trying to connect. |
| 22:04.37 | crhylove | Maybe I need to select "Don't setup a network connection at this time"? |
| 22:04.49 | NewGnuGuy | yes |
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| 22:20.01 | crhylove | Nope. Still got the same debootstrap error |
| 22:20.07 | crhylove | *sigh* |
| 22:20.24 | crhylove | needs to build a TOR proxy server to install Devuan?!? ARGGHH!! |
| 22:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 22:34.22 | crhylove | I have a no good internet connection. I'm looking for a way to install Devuan without the repos timing out. |
| 22:34.35 | crhylove | Haven't found one yet. I'm using the full DVD as the install medium, as well. |
| 22:37.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | the DVD *should* suffice. Prolly nobody ever tested it on a PC without any networking |
| 22:41.14 | golinux | Centurion-Dan: ^^^ |
| 22:41.57 | golinux | Centurion_Dan: (with underscore . . .) |
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| 22:46.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm a total noob even to debian (installation) but maybe there's a way to check/edit/fix apt/source.list during installation - if that's the culprit of the network dependencies? |
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| 23:13.05 | Gup | crhylove, i've been installing from dvd without network... one of the first steps asks if you want to choose a network mirror, if you select no the install should continue without attempting to even access the network |
| 23:14.04 | Gup | are you using the beta2? it wasn't possible to install without network on beta1 |
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| 23:15.21 | Gup | thats the only thing i could think that may be tripping you up |
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