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| 01:43.51 | crhylove | Is this devuan based? They keep saying Debian everywhere on the site, but... https://mxlinux.org/products |
| 01:43.59 | crhylove | something makes me think it was devuan based. |
| 01:45.04 | blinkdog | mx is based on Debian ("core antiX system") |
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| 01:45.31 | blinkdog | you can think of it like Debian soft subtract systemd (removing systemd by configuration) |
| 01:45.58 | blinkdog | Devuan is Debian hard subtract systemd (removing systemd by patching it out of contaminated packages) |
| 01:46.42 | crhylove | Ah, so devuan for my servers and mx for a laptop would be OK? |
| 01:47.33 | blinkdog | I would think so. I really like the Cinnamon desktop, and AntoFox is still working on those packages. |
| 01:47.42 | blinkdog | So I don't use Devuan for my laptop yet. |
| 01:49.08 | blinkdog | There was also a post about that here: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=95 |
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| 02:05.05 | crhylove | I'm a MATE guy, and I had Devuan set up perfectly on a couple of machines (as a desktop, already migrated a few servers), but I kept having repo issues on one of the laptops. |
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| 02:55.07 | Inocuous | I'm having trouble pulling the trigger on a used laptop. |
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| 02:55.29 | Inocuous | I start to look at the specs and I immediately want something better, every time so far. |
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| 04:38.47 | Artemis3 | Inocuous, i suppose it depends on your budget (ie. best for the money you intend to spend) |
| 04:40.30 | Artemis3 | crhylove, i have tested it with: xfce, mate, and kde so far |
| 04:41.00 | Inocuous | I'm mystified by all these i7 processors that re 2 core. It's practically all I see. Maybe people are keeping all the 4 cores |
| 04:41.01 | Inocuous | idk |
| 04:41.37 | Artemis3 | do you need that much cpu in a laptop? isn't i5 or i3 good enough? |
| 04:42.14 | Artemis3 | tho i lost the meanings of those parts anymore... 2 core i7? |
| 04:42.33 | Artemis3 | so the i3 is like 1 core then? |
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| 09:33.04 | unknown___ | how can i replace upstart/plymouth ini with runit? |
| 09:46.12 | jaromil | hi, did you put upstart/plymouth in devuan?! |
| 09:48.15 | unknown___ | i want runit |
| 09:48.37 | unknown___ | how can i replace the existing one with it |
| 09:51.47 | unknown___ | will devuan ever be in the list of fsf recommended distributions? |
| 09:55.33 | jaromil | i'm sorry but i'm confused by so many questions, hope someone else can help |
| 09:56.13 | jaromil | i can't see why anyone would ever put upstart in devuan, while you can certainly use runit in place of sysvinit. if you are using ubuntu then this is not the place to ask |
| 10:05.29 | AntoFox | o/ |
| 10:05.44 | Centurion_Dan | o/ AntoFox |
| 10:05.47 | AntoFox | guys alternative to gvfs??? |
| 10:05.57 | AntoFox | Centurion_Dan: there is a problem |
| 10:06.50 | Centurion_Dan | I will work on gvfs next... just got network-manager built and installed and about to test it :-D |
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| 10:08.14 | AntoFox | GREAT |
| 10:08.39 | Centurion_Dan | will drop of line while I reboot |
| 10:10.00 | AntoFox | ok |
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| 10:41.52 | Centurion_Dan | network manager failed.... but in other news it seems that desktop-base and slim are ready to move to jessie!! |
| 10:43.44 | AntoFox | 5487777777777777777777777777 |
| 10:44.16 | AntoFox | oh sorry |
| 10:44.36 | Centurion_Dan | cat? |
| 10:44.50 | AntoFox | yes |
| 10:45.23 | Centurion_Dan | Don't tell my wife, she'd be jealous :-P |
| 10:46.34 | Centurion_Dan | anyway minor issue with network-manager... just remove dbus policy because it was under /etc/dbus/system.d/ when it seems that was important... |
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| 11:51.59 | Centurion_Dan | Network-Manager now works in Devuan without systemd :-D |
| 11:52.37 | Centurion_Dan | packages in /devuan jessie-proposed |
| 11:53.50 | Centurion_Dan | and the latest desktop-base with the purpy theme and slim will be in jessie within the next 24 hours... |
| 11:54.19 | Centurion_Dan | jaromil ^^ |
| 11:54.47 | Centurion_Dan | I can confirm nm works for me as I used it to connect wifi :-P |
| 11:56.54 | jaromil | wow congrats |
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| 11:57.16 | jaromil | fantastic. i love purpy (much more than leafy must say...) |
| 11:59.13 | Centurion_Dan | if you have a /devuan jessie entry in your sources you can have the purpy login screen now. |
| 12:00.57 | Centurion_Dan | I haven't fully tested network-manager yet and all the plugins, but so far it is looking good. |
| 12:00.58 | jaromil | welll... i don't use slim, but will roll out a new installer and test it here now |
| 12:02.28 | parazyd | jaromil: actually i need to install devuan on my other laptop so we can test it out when i get there |
| 12:03.11 | Centurion_Dan | that would be great. Can you do screenies of the desktop with the file manager open and some files highlighted in the test and email to me and golinux? I want to know if it properly sets all the theme elements correctly. |
| 12:05.02 | parazyd | Centurion_Dan: with XCFE? |
| 12:05.29 | Centurion_Dan | Anyway, I'm going to bed now. Can sleep in peace with another package free'd from systemd |
| 12:05.56 | Centurion_Dan | parazyd: yes XFCE. |
| 12:06.00 | parazyd | sure :) |
| 12:06.31 | Centurion_Dan | tomorrow is gvfs! and debian-installer |
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| 12:07.25 | parazyd | look into this eventually: https://github.com/dantrell/gentoo-project-gnome-without-systemd |
| 12:08.00 | Centurion_Dan | parazyd, you can get nm by going to http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/n/network-manager/ |
| 12:09.08 | Centurion_Dan | the /devuan jessie-proposed repo isn't working yet, but nextime is looking into it sometime in the next few hours. |
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| 12:11.48 | parazyd | ack |
| 12:17.55 | jaromil | oh good |
| 12:18.29 | jaromil | the rest of the righteous eheheh talk to you later dan |
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| 12:25.39 | unknown___ | any chance that devuan will be recommended by fsf distributions? |
| 12:26.28 | OmegaPhil | Probably not, it'll follow the same policy with Debian for contrib/nonfree repos |
| 12:30.11 | jaromil | we plan to support and facilitate existance of 100% free derivatives, as for instance aitor's gnuinos or parazid's HEADS |
| 12:30.17 | Centurion_Dan | unknown___: we will work to add a devuan based fsf approved derivative tho - gnuinos looks promising for that. |
| 12:30.41 | jaromil | Centurion_Dan: HEADS will also be 100% free + grsec. quite an outstanding plan.... |
| 12:31.13 | Centurion_Dan | jaromil: cool, what hardware will it run on tho?? |
| 12:32.49 | unknown___ | Centurian_Dan, im glad to hear that, because at the moment there is no distro with libre-kernel and systemd free, what i know.. |
| 12:33.44 | jaromil | Centurion_Dan: prolly x86 but well, parazyd is also the devuan arm release manager right now so i'm sure he'll look into that at later stage |
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| 12:34.08 | jaromil | and btw he is running coreboot on his own laptop. hope he doesn't minds i'm disclosing all this ;^) |
| 12:34.15 | parazyd | i386 and whatever can run it |
| 12:34.17 | parazyd | eventually live ARM images |
| 12:37.16 | parazyd | what's more interesting is that it's going out of the conventional debian way |
| 12:37.31 | parazyd | busybox all the way |
| 12:37.40 | parazyd | it does *everything* |
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| 12:42.31 | unknown___ | why is gnuinos not in the fsf free distro list? |
| 12:42.44 | jaromil | aitor hasn't applied for it yet, still working on it |
| 12:43.48 | unknown___ | ok;) |
| 12:45.33 | unknown___ | HEADS? cant find a link.. |
| 12:47.26 | parazyd | unknown___: heads.dyne.org |
| 12:47.38 | parazyd | don't take all info for a fact. things are bound to change |
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| 12:55.41 | unknown___ | but heads is a livecd, so its meant to replace tails, its a good idea but it cant be installed? |
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| 13:00.25 | parazyd | why would you install it? |
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| 13:02.58 | unknown___ | i search a base distro which is secure libre and systemd free, at the moment i search for the best compromise |
| 13:03.39 | telst4r | I think the point of heads and tails not to be installed, right? |
| 13:04.17 | fsmithred | yes, it's a read-only system, so a reboot always gets you back to your starting point |
| 13:04.58 | fsmithred | nobody can leave you a surprise gift |
| 13:05.33 | fsmithred | no idea how well it would work if installed |
| 13:05.53 | telst4r | I guess you could dd the image to a HDD and boot the live from a HDD, but even so, reboot would wipe all changes. |
| 13:05.56 | fsmithred | but one reason to install it might be to make changes and then roll a new live-cd |
| 13:06.28 | fsmithred | yeah, it'd be the same as making a live-usb |
| 13:06.33 | fsmithred | without persistence |
| 13:07.31 | telst4r | Right. maybe the user wants to, say, forbid all scripts when launching as default. or update TBB or something. Whatever. |
| 13:08.37 | parazyd | fsmithred: i provide persistence with tomb |
| 13:09.10 | parazyd | needs polishing for "normal users" but it gets the job done |
| 13:09.28 | parazyd | that said, i should update gtomb for this |
| 13:12.27 | unknown___ | if its for the usecase of tails you shouldnt install 'heads' thats right, but maybe there will be a installable version too, i would like to have something like that |
| 13:13.24 | parazyd | unknown___: well sure, it's doable. i might document how to do it, but it's not going to be officially supported |
| 13:14.03 | parazyd | because you'll be updating on your own then. and i cannot promise you are as secure as in the live environment |
| 13:14.47 | Gup | hey all, beta2_DVD should boot from usb flash right? I've dd'd it on as normal but getting "isolinux missing or corrupt" at first stage of boot |
| 13:15.06 | Gup | wanted to test networkless install |
| 13:16.40 | unknown___ | parazyd, understand the problem, i dream of a package selection system with zertified packages which produces automaticly an individual livecd |
| 13:17.28 | parazyd | unknown___: that's what live-sdk does. but you bootstrap a system from a "framework" |
| 13:17.33 | parazyd | not from the system itself |
| 13:17.44 | fsmithred | Gup, did you check to make sure it's a good download |
| 13:18.23 | fsmithred | I know the amd64 dvd iso works on usb for install without mirror |
| 13:18.35 | fsmithred | parazyd, what's tomb? |
| 13:18.44 | parazyd | https://tomb.dyne.org |
| 13:18.46 | Gup | fsmithred, will check now |
| 13:20.11 | fsmithred | parazyd, that brings me to the main page - there's one sentence about tomb. |
| 13:20.26 | parazyd | fsmithred: perhaps https://github.com/dyne/tomb |
| 13:20.49 | fsmithred | that works, thanks |
| 13:20.57 | parazyd | yep |
| 13:22.33 | fsmithred | lol, these commands were created by a gamer? |
| 13:22.43 | parazyd | jaromil: ^^ :D |
| 13:23.13 | fsmithred | you want to add a user interface for mortals? |
| 13:23.37 | parazyd | fsmithred: https://github.com/parazyd/gtomb |
| 13:23.51 | unknown___ | parazyd, live-sdk is from micros..?, the problem which such a system is that exactly the package you want will no be available |
| 13:24.09 | fsmithred | cool! |
| 13:24.12 | unknown___ | *with |
| 13:24.16 | parazyd | unknown___: no, the build framework i'm writing: https://git.devuan.org/sdk |
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| 13:29.30 | jaromil | fsmithred: never stop playing games, even when building software ;^) |
| 13:29.40 | fsmithred | good advice |
| 13:30.21 | fsmithred | so this thing seems to serve a similar purpose to encfs, which is now deprecated because it's insecure. |
| 13:31.08 | fsmithred | I might include this in a future refracta release. |
| 13:31.28 | parazyd | tomb should be everywhere |
| 13:31.31 | fsmithred | I gotta go. See you all later. |
| 13:31.33 | unknown___ | parazyd, ah ok;) good but it will be a 'use at your own risk' thing, are there more infos? |
| 13:31.50 | parazyd | unknown___: infos on what exactly? |
| 13:33.27 | unknown___ | parazyd, how and which packages can be integrated, what kind of steps i have to make to get a livesystem like this etc |
| 13:34.07 | parazyd | unknown___: there is some short docu on https://dyne.github.io/libdevuansdk/ |
| 13:34.15 | parazyd | but live-sdk is not yet ready for users |
| 13:34.23 | parazyd | will be when i finish work on heads |
| 13:36.16 | unknown___ | thumbs up;) |
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| 13:37.12 | unknown___ | but there are always pro and cons, it will be centralized... |
| 13:37.26 | parazyd | what do you mean? |
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| 13:39.54 | unknown___ | the live-sdk thing will be centralized? |
| 13:41.28 | parazyd | i don't understand what you mean with centralized |
| 13:43.48 | unknown___ | Distributed computing, sry english not my first lang.. |
| 13:44.13 | parazyd | no, you run the sdk wherever you want to |
| 13:44.40 | parazyd | it's not bound to devuan in any way |
| 13:45.17 | parazyd | once i release 1.0, then i begin adding support for other distros |
| 13:45.21 | parazyd | alpine, gentoo, etc... |
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| 13:49.11 | unknown___ | so there will be no "certified" packages, its a complete standalone system..in these times i have to 'un-cloud' my brain..;) |
| 13:50.24 | parazyd | well certified is a relative term |
| 13:50.41 | jaromil | unknown___: you are better off looking at the refracta script for now if you want to make a live |
| 13:57.33 | unknown___ | jaromil, thank you for the tip, it seems the package list of refracta is offline |
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| 14:42.57 | aitor | Unknown__: gnuinos still is not finished..., there is a lot of work to do, but thanks for your interest |
| 14:43.30 | aitor | i'm working in some gtk apps |
| 14:44.13 | aitor | now i'm concentrated in simple-netaid, i promise a good interface |
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| 14:44.28 | aitor | the socket works |
| 14:46.21 | aitor | it uses when the computer isn't connected to any eth0/wlan0, i throws "DISCONNECTED" in the 100% of the attempts |
| 14:47.39 | aitor | sorry, i rectify: |
| 14:47.46 | aitor | when the computer isn't connected to any eth0/wlan0, i throws "CONNECTED" in the 100% of the attempts |
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| 14:48.59 | aitor | but, when it's connected, sometimes it throws "CONNECTED", in the aprox. 5-10% of the cases |
| 14:49.16 | aitor | so, an unique attempt it's not enough |
| 14:49.35 | aitor | 3 or 4 attempts are required |
| 14:51.16 | aitor | if, in some of these attemts, a "DISCONNECTED" message is thrown off, the there is no connection to the router |
| 14:51.51 | aitor | keep in mind that all the Unix commands i tested fail in some cases: |
| 14:52.20 | aitor | for example, "ip route show" |
| 14:53.50 | aitor | if you disconnect the ethernet cable physically, the command will follow giving an IP address |
| 14:54.17 | aitor | despite not being connected |
| 14:55.06 | aitor | give me some days :) |
| 14:55.55 | aitor | i want to push good code to gitlab, not spaghetti code :) |
| 14:56.43 | aitor | perhaps, the active wifis will be shown at real time..., i have the idea in my mind |
| 14:58.52 | aitor | btw, the website of HEADS is very very nice, parazyd :) |
| 15:01.47 | aitor | brb |
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| 15:08.39 | jaromil | yes is a nice website, now also thanks to golinux for her advice :^) |
| 15:11.26 | golinux | :) |
| 15:13.05 | blinkdog | url for the heads site? |
| 15:15.51 | golinux | https://heads.dyne.org/ |
| 15:18.08 | golinux | unknown___: https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/ is working for me |
| 15:18.28 | primalz | /38/37 |
| 15:18.37 | golinux | ? |
| 15:26.10 | primalz | distracted window switching |
| 15:26.15 | primalz | site looks good! |
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| 15:53.32 | unknown___ | golinux, i meant http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/docs/package_list.txt |
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| 15:55.07 | golinux | WOW! That's not good. But the site is still up http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/ |
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| 16:14.35 | golinux | I'll ping fsmithred about that |
| 16:21.09 | Akuli | what is this? |
| 16:21.48 | Akuli | some of these are funny |
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| 17:32.42 | fsmithred | fixed it: http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/docs/package_list.txt |
| 17:32.58 | fsmithred | unknown___, ^^^ |
| 17:33.23 | fsmithred | but I'm not sure that's what you really want. |
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| 17:39.16 | unknown___ | ok thx |
| 17:39.49 | unknown___ | so these are the default packages? |
| 17:40.11 | unknown___ | what is the so called 'trusted source'? |
| 17:41.02 | fsmithred | trusted source? |
| 17:41.08 | fsmithred | I don't understand. |
| 17:41.32 | unknown___ | 'Hundreds more applications are available from a trusted source and can be quickly and easily installed.' |
| 17:41.36 | fsmithred | oh |
| 17:41.40 | fsmithred | devuan repo |
| 17:42.01 | fsmithred | main is enabled, if you want contrib or non-free, you add them yourself |
| 17:42.34 | fsmithred | but if you're thinking of modifying Heads, you just need the refracta tools - refractainstaller and refractasnapshot |
| 17:42.41 | fsmithred | and maybe refracta2usb |
| 17:43.01 | fsmithred | those are all at sourceforge |
| 17:44.14 | fsmithred | and "hundreds" should really be "Tens of thousands" |
| 17:44.20 | unknown___ | im not sure what im doing im just in the process of gettin oversight... |
| 17:44.29 | unknown___ | is there a list of all these packages |
| 17:44.44 | unknown___ | oh |
| 17:44.50 | fsmithred | debian.org has the most comprehensive list |
| 17:45.04 | fsmithred | and then devuan.org has a list of the packages that have been changed for devuan |
| 17:45.15 | fsmithred | which amount to around 1% of the total. |
| 17:45.44 | fsmithred | maybe I said that in a confusing way |
| 17:46.04 | fsmithred | 99% of the packages in devuan come from debian and are not modified in any way. |
| 17:46.41 | fsmithred | bb in 5 min. |
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| 17:47.58 | unknown___ | there would be an administrative problem to do it.. |
| 17:48.19 | unknown___ | i guess |
| 17:51.59 | golinux | unknown___: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla |
| 17:52.13 | fsmithred | what admin problem? |
| 17:52.38 | fsmithred | you trying to do something at work? |
| 17:55.25 | Akuli | is the package list supposed to start with Name? |
| 17:57.31 | fsmithred | well, that's what it starts with |
| 17:57.53 | fsmithred | guess I could have removed that. The list is a trimmed copy of 'dpkg -l' |
| 17:58.29 | fsmithred | other columns, like 'Version' were removed. |
| 17:58.32 | Akuli | oh that file is not meant to be parsed by scripts or anything? |
| 17:58.38 | Akuli | so its just for people to read? |
| 17:58.43 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 17:58.47 | Akuli | ok :) |
| 17:58.55 | fsmithred | that's what's in the Refracta iso. |
| 17:59.04 | fsmithred | my pseudo-disro |
| 17:59.13 | fsmithred | devuan remix |
| 18:00.10 | unknown___ | fsmithred, to check all for security privacy related and deadsure compatibility |
| 18:07.09 | fsmithred | to some extent, you just have to trust the package maintainers and the upstream authors. |
| 18:07.49 | golinux | Packages can be 'cleansed' if reported on git. |
| 18:25.54 | fsmithred | now you got me checking the other docs on ibiblio, and I see more work that needs to be done. |
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| 19:19.42 | unknown___ | is it correct devuans default init will be sysvinit? why not runit? |
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| 19:20.38 | zdzichu | you are free to choose any init you want |
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| 19:21.07 | Digit | yep, sysvinit, same path it was as in debian before they allowed packages depending on specific init, n that leading to capitulation to wholehearted jumping ship to systemd. devuan still lets you choose. you can use runit if u want. :) |
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| 19:25.52 | P-G | Hey, I'm trying to install on a system with a Killer E2400 ethernet controller. The installer gives me a long list of drivers to try but I haven't found any that work. Is there a way to skip this and install without an ethernet driver? |
| 19:26.04 | P-G | Or can I at least try using WiFi instead? |
| 19:27.15 | P-G | Oh, there is an option for "no controller". I thought "none of the above" would do that... |
| 19:28.15 | unknown___ | Digit, 'you can use runit if u want' is it really that easy? |
| 19:28.25 | P-G | But I get a "Bad archive mirror" and can't seem to proceed again. |
| 19:28.41 | P-G | I assume this is because I didn't have the opportunity to configure WiFi? |
| 19:29.43 | P-G | Oh, this time it lets me proceed by going back and selecting the next chapter. |
| 19:30.08 | Digit | i'll let you know when i get on with it. i've been holding off commiting to that course of action for a few days, merely because i've been getting distracted by other interests. from the few minutes here n there i have managed to read up on it, it does seem increasingly simpler than i first imagined. certainly several orders of magnitude simpler than trying to switch a distro away from systemd, which is very lock-in-y. |
| 19:33.21 | P-G | Ok, the install seems to be working now. Sorry for panic posting but the installer is a bit unintuitive... I'll worry about the drivers and repo configuration another day. |
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| 19:35.12 | unknown___ | so its easier to switch to sysvinit back than to runit, thats logical, but it must not be less work, if runit is or could be on a future roadmap, im just for lookin all the options |
| 19:36.00 | Digit | is it? o_O |
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| 19:38.32 | P-G | A couple sources claim "su; modprobe alx; echo 1969 e0a1 > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/alx/new_id" makes it work. Assuming so, would it be good to put that (minus su) into rc.local? |
| 19:39.31 | unknown___ | maybe, if you clean the house its better to grab things once and put it there where it belongs than to put it from a to b to c |
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| 20:19.47 | Centurion_Dan | network manager is now built without systemd in jessie proposed. |
| 20:20.46 | Centurion_Dan | to help test it you can add "deb http://nz.mirror.devuan.org/devuan jessie-proposed main contrib non-free" to your sources... |
| 20:22.47 | Centurion_Dan | and then apt-get update and apt-get install network-manager and network-managager-gnome (for xfce) |
| 20:26.14 | AntoFox | good news :) |
| 20:26.27 | unknown___ | thx |
| 20:28.10 | MinceR | :) |
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| 21:21.14 | P-G | Wasn't able to install base without a repo. I'll check to see if there is another install version. |
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| 21:32.57 | golinux | P-G: try this https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/ |
| 21:34.33 | golinux | Not exactly a 'base' though. Just vanilla devuan Xfce install. |
| 21:34.53 | P-G | Ok, I'll try it if the DVD install doesn't work for me. |
| 21:35.26 | P-G | Thank you. |
| 22:00.23 | nextime | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8bdeVz7D0Y |
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| 22:01.57 | fsmithred | what beast is that which spits fire? |
| 22:02.06 | fsmithred | and sings jingle bells |
| 22:02.19 | nextime | fsmithred: my laser cutter :) |
| 22:02.35 | fsmithred | I think it has a cute face. |
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| 22:22.46 | jaromil | Centurion_Dan: so jessie-proposed now works? gonna fetch nm |
| 22:27.29 | jaromil | W: Failed to fetch http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-proposed/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 22:29.06 | nextime | jaromil: it isn't (yet) in merged |
| 22:29.15 | nextime | but in /devuan is working |
| 22:29.47 | jaromil | ack |
| 22:35.58 | jaromil | not gets it but i can't find the new package |
| 22:36.15 | jaromil | does it have a +devuan version? |
| 22:37.11 | parazyd | jaromil: Centurion_Dan mentioned to grab it manually |
| 22:37.22 | nextime | dak@packages:~$ dak ls network-manager |
| 22:37.22 | nextime | network-manager | 0.9.10.0-7+devuan1~7.gbpe0841e | jessie-proposed | source, amd64, arm64, armel, armhf, i386 |
| 22:37.37 | parazyd | http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/n/network-manager/ |
| 22:38.01 | jaromil | ah ok |
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| 22:38.09 | nextime | parazyd: not anymore, now it's available by using deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan jessie-proposed main |
| 22:38.50 | parazyd | indeed |
| 22:41.30 | jaromil | apt-get install network-manager=0.9.10.0-7+devuan1~7.gbpe0841e |
| 22:41.52 | jaromil | got it. wondering how to list all packages from jessie-proposed |
| 22:47.31 | jaromil | fantastic. many thanks for this |
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