| 00:11.44 | chr[]_ | Hi |
| 00:11.52 | chr[]_ | Is devuan affected by this mess: |
| 00:11.55 | chr[]_ | https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2016/msg00316.html |
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| 00:20.44 | fsmithred | chr[]_, |
| 00:20.48 | fsmithred | apt-cache policy apt |
| 00:20.48 | fsmithred | apt: |
| 00:20.48 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.48 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.28 | fsmithred | that's the fixed version. In ascii/testing, it looks like it's not the fixed version yet. |
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| 00:29.23 | chr[]_ | fsmithred: ok, but how about it's impact? |
| 00:29.24 | chr[]_ | " |
| 00:29.28 | chr[]_ | "We recommend that you upgrade your apt packages." |
| 00:29.47 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.41 | fsmithred | do you think you've been compromised by this vulnerability? |
| 00:31.52 | fsmithred | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:31.59 | chr[]_ | "circumvent the signature" means any package installed/upgrade may be compromised? |
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| 04:50.06 | Bjornnn | anyone care to comment on how well the kernel in devuan utilizes quad core technology? where will I see benefits? etc.. |
| 04:56.41 | blinkdog | IIUC, the kernel is basically the same kernel as Debian |
| 04:57.16 | blinkdog | so Inocuous, I think it should be OK? |
| 04:59.26 | Inocuous | I'm just curious about the speed advantage of multiple cores. If I'm reading right, it matters only if you have multiple power hungry apps running. |
| 05:00.04 | Inocuous | having said that, dual cores have been around for over 10 years. so the software should have caught up by now. |
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| 05:02.54 | blinkdog | that's less a kernel issue than an application issue |
| 05:03.40 | blinkdog | and it's true, if you've got a CPU hog, the kernel can give it a whole core, leaving CPU time for your other programs |
| 05:04.12 | blinkdog | but the speed-ups that people really want involve parallelizing the workload |
| 05:04.40 | blinkdog | for example, spellchecking a long document; i'd rather have each of my four cores check the spelling of 1/4th of the document |
| 05:05.10 | blinkdog | but if i've written my algorithm the wrong way, it can only run on one core |
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| 05:11.06 | blinkdog | generally multiple cores can be better, but are not any worse than a single |
| 05:11.43 | blinkdog | the exception is some really old and/or poorly written software that panics if the kernel moves it to a different core |
| 05:11.59 | blinkdog | you see that sometimes in trying to run Windows programs with wine |
| 05:12.15 | blinkdog | the solution is to configure wine to restrict it to one core; then it runs OK |
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| 05:34.33 | Inocuous | gone so soon. |
| 05:34.45 | Inocuous | well, thankyou blinkdog, where you are. |
| 05:34.52 | Inocuous | ever* |
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| 08:40.01 | aitor | Centurion_Dan: yes, all the refracta-tools are packaged for devuan |
| 08:40.02 | aitor | http://packages.gnuinos.org/pool/main/r/ |
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| 09:29.06 | hellekin | aitor: shouldn't they appear on http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/r/ ? |
| 09:29.20 | hellekin | aitor: I guess they're not in devuan-packages then... |
| 09:30.16 | aitor | no, hk, they aren't in devuan |
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| 09:42.22 | hellekin | aitor: Don't you think they should? |
| 09:43.06 | aitor | yes, of course |
| 09:51.25 | aitor | you can download the sources with apt-get source |
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| 10:15.10 | TXX | Hey party people |
| 10:15.15 | TXX | W: Failed to fetch https://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-security/main/binary-amd64/Packages Protocol "http" not supported or disabled in libcurl |
| 10:15.28 | TXX | why does this happen only on security, using HTTPS ? |
| 10:18.15 | gnu_srs1 | aitor: What about your vdev packages in Devuan? |
| 10:18.40 | aitor | of course, i would like !! |
| 10:20.20 | armin | what could it be if i see a new device in dmesg when attaching a USB stick but i don't get the device showing up in /dev ? |
| 10:20.45 | TXX | armin: dmesg should tell you what the device is recognized as |
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| 10:49.45 | aitor | i just added the systray-icon to simple-netaid |
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| 10:50.19 | AntoFox | o/ |
| 10:50.24 | aitor | now i'm adding the socket wich tests the status of the connection |
| 10:50.34 | aitor | hi, AntoFox |
| 10:50.58 | AntoFox | hi aitor |
| 10:51.04 | aitor | simple-netaid-gtk is comming :) |
| 10:51.32 | aitor | coming |
| 10:51.56 | AntoFox | well!! |
| 10:52.52 | aitor | i added a popup menu to the systray-icon icluding the preferences, the quite icon, etc |
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| 10:55.21 | aitor | need to go, see you later |
| 10:56.24 | AntoFox | okok |
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| 12:48.41 | Digit | <3 devuan. thankyou all for making this happen. have been using devuan for 2016. watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMvyOGawNwo which helps me appreciate it all the more. :) |
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| 13:02.07 | Digit | my sources.list looks different to the one in the talk. i've not done anything wrong have i? http://dpaste.com/0VT33YN |
| 13:04.49 | KatolaZ | Digit: ? |
| 13:05.00 | KatolaZ | what's wrong there? |
| 13:05.26 | KatolaZ | the only "wrong" thing might be mixing stable and unstable repos :) |
| 13:06.51 | Digit | well, no pains encountered from that, after using it like that for many months. maybe i just got a little disturbed by the significantly different urls compared to the talk. ... i'm probably just using different mirrors. *shrug* [/panic] |
| 13:09.21 | KatolaZ | I would in general avoid to mix different releases in the same installation, but if you know your way around it, that's fine |
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| 13:45.36 | Digit | :3 i'll risk it. |
| 13:53.39 | Leander256 | how can line 1 and 3 coexist actually? |
| 13:54.04 | Leander256 | there must be some precedence rule which makes line 1 being ignored |
| 13:59.12 | nextime | 2 |
| 14:00.54 | KatolaZ | Leander256: apt used to automatically go for the newest version available of any package |
| 14:01.07 | KatolaZ | dunno whether things have changed lately |
| 14:01.38 | KatolaZ | but once upon a time it was definitely possible to have several concurrent releases in sources.list |
| 14:01.48 | KatolaZ | not commendable, as a practice, but possible... |
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| 14:10.55 | Digit | i'm wondering why i added unstable. surely must have been for something. i wonder if i've been meddling with pinning... |
| 14:12.09 | Digit | nope. none that i can see in the obvious places |
| 14:13.12 | Leander256 | I'm on unstable because stable doesn't handl;e correctly my hardware |
| 14:14.14 | Digit | yep, that's my assumed reason i added it. must have been right early when i installed. ... i should probably remove/comment-out stable. :/ |
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| 14:18.28 | Digit | on another topic, i also noticed via the all-pages page on without-systemd a number of devuan weekly news pages, then nothing. http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Special:AllPages was that just given up on maintaining due to effort, deemed superfluous, without-systemd's remit expanded, or...? wondering if it's worth restarting, or worth cleaning up (removing) those pages from without-systemd.org |
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| 19:39.46 | AntoFox | hey |
| 19:40.02 | blinkdog | hello |
| 19:40.09 | AntoFox | I have dowgraded cinnamon from 3.2 to 3.1 |
| 19:40.39 | AntoFox | hi blinkdog |
| 19:41.06 | blinkdog | I like Cinnamon, so I am happy that you are bringing it to Devuan |
| 19:41.19 | AntoFox | is anyway unstable |
| 19:42.02 | AntoFox | there is a problem with 3 packages |
| 19:42.12 | blinkdog | which 3 packages are problematic? |
| 19:42.26 | AntoFox | cinnamon settings daemon |
| 19:42.30 | AntoFox | cinnamon session |
| 19:43.01 | AntoFox | and cjs |
| 19:44.27 | AntoFox | even if this last one I'm solving |
| 19:53.47 | AntoFox | see you tomorrow |
| 19:54.39 | blinkdog | later! |
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